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From YouTube: The Higher Education Revolution #4
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Previous podcast: https://youtu.be/W_2VFgTyQ84
Rob and Jesse discuss Higher Education. Jesse interviews with Debbie Donsky and more. Daniël's not here this week.
See the full interview with Debbie Donsky here: https://youtu.be/j0znWuyfVpc
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A
Hi
I'm
Rob
skiff
I'm,
the
CEO
of
the
plateau,
and
this
is
high
road
revolution
number
four
and
this
week
we're
going
to
be
talking
Jesse's,
going
to
be
doing
an
interview
that
he's
going
to
talk
about
in
just
a
bit.
We're
also
going
to
talk
about
what's
been
happening
in
the
last
couple
weeks
with
the
player
know
and
also,
while
I'll
be
making
an
announcement
to
we'd,
really
like
to
do
a
shout
out
to
all
the
contributors
and
the
new
faculty
that
we've
been
getting
last
week
and
are
working
hard
to
do
their
onboarding.
A
B
B
We
even
got
into
a
critical
discussion
participation
things
that
you
know
are
all
our
old
friend,
Paula
Prairie
spoke
and
wrote
about
a
lot
on
and
talk
to
about
technology,
how
its
way
to
the
classroom,
what
we
can
do
to
do
to
better
utilize
it
and
then
finally,
we
even
have
a
very
unique
discussion
that
sort
of
relates
to
I
know
in
the
sense
that
you
know
we
want
teachers
to
think
about.
You
know
what
they
can
create
and
why
and
how
to
begin
to
build
a
learning
community
around
it.
B
C
C
I
did
a
master's
degree
that
focused
on
learning
for
English
language,
learners
and
sort
of
disrupting
the
status
quo
around.
What
are
those
programs
look
like
and
that
was
about?
It
was
I
graduated
in
96,
so
we're
talking
20
years
ago
and
I
finished
my
doctorate
in
2006
10
years
ago,
and
that
was
focused
on
really
social
studies
curriculum,
but
it
looked
at
knowledge
building
from
a
critical
pedagogy
perspective.
So
really,
how
do
we
again
disrupt?
B
Awesome
I
mean
I
would
speculate
that.
The
reason
that
you
were
asked
to
write
is
basically
because
we
value
at
higher
and
revolution
I
think
because
so
much
of
learning
flows
into
that
moment
in
it
it's
sort
of
a
young
adults
life.
It's
incredibly
important.
What's
going
on
right
before
that
or
even
much
earlier
on,
so
there's
no
perspective
that
is
irrelevant,
but.
B
C
If
I
turn
my
computer
well,
if
I,
if
I
moved
out
of
the
way,
you
can
see
my
color-coded
bookshelf
and
if
I
turned
my
computer
around,
which
I
won't
it's
a
bit
messy,
you
would
see
stacks
of
books
that
are
waiting
to
be
read.
So
it's
really
it's
it's
that
it's
cliche
but
lifelong
learner,
so
somebody
will
say
a
book
and
I
will
get
it.
C
You
know
I
right
now,
one
of
the
books
I'm
reading
is
this
one
good
one,
but
my
pod
cool
you
know,
and
then
I
went
to
a
session
with
apple
and
they
talked
about
this
and
it's
an
older
book
campfires
in
cyberspace.
So
like
it's,
it
talks
about
ancient
learning
and
how
does
that
or
be
prehistoric
learning?
And
how
do
we
build
that
into
schools
so
there-
and
I
also
teach
so
I
teach
a
principals
qualification
course-
and
I
love
this.
C
To
be
honest,
like
I
loved
the
writing
in
there
I
love
that
it's
dialogic,
that
it
invites
that
kind
of
discourse
where
so
many
blogs
is
just
here's,
my
thought
and
and
then
the
comments
are
like
great
writing,
but
with
medium
I
feel
that
there
is
a
back
and
forth
that
exists
in
that
in
that
online
environment
that
doesn't
another
so
really
anywhere
everywhere.
Always
to
your
right.
I
know
you
write
about
learning
anywhere
yeah.
B
You
know
digital
technology
and
capabilities
there,
a
significant
factor
affecting
education
today,
as
we've
been
saying,
I,
don't
know
if
you
read
anything
that
will
Richardson
rights,
but
he
had
an
article
recently
title
talking
about
elephants
in
the
classroom
that
shouldn't
settle
us
and
in
this
article
he
says
we
know
that
learning
that
sticks
is
usually
learned,
informally,
that
explicit
knowledge
accounts
for
very
little
of
our
success
in
professions,
instead
tacit
knowledge
and
the
ability
to
learn
from
others.
In
the
moment,
both
face-to-face
and
in
networks
is
vastly
more
important
and
effective.
B
Most
of
what
we
teach
kids,
we
teach
them
just
in
case
they
may
need
to
know
it's
of
it
primarily
because
the
system
is
still
operating
on
the
belief
that
explicit
knowledge
it
scares
within
the
web.
It's
not
those
that
will
flourish
in
the
modern
world
will
be
those
who
can
learn
what
they
need
to
learn
just
in
time
from
a
variety
of
networks
and
sources.
Experiences
I'm,
I'm,
curious
I
mean
obviously
this
touches
on
a
lot
of
what
we've
been
talking
about.
B
C
I
think
I
think
with
the
learning
design
piece,
so
my
team,
what
we
do
is
we
create
communication
and
learning
for
the
adults
in
the
system,
so
it
could
be
teachers,
it
could
also
be
caretaking
staff
office
staff,
and
one
way
we
try
to
stay
current
is
to
participate
ourselves
in
this
learning.
We
go
to.
C
So
one
part
of
Technology
I,
myself
have
never
embraced
I
mean
in
the
day
I
sort
of
like
Tetris,
but
I
grew
up
with
pong
like
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
how
old
I
am,
and
it's
just
I
I
think
that
I
find
a
problematic
I'm.
I
like
I
like
the
leaderboards.
I
think
that
that's
something
that
does
inspire
people
to
keep
going,
but
it's
not
really
inspiration.
It's
addictive.
C
It's
like
give
me
another
hit,
give
me
another
hit
so
that
that
part
for
me,
I'm
questioning,
I
think
also
you
know
we're
trying
to
take
the
information,
the
learning
and
put
it
into
smaller
and
smaller
pieces,
because
people's
attention
is
weaker
and
weaker.
So
what
even,
when
I
start
in
the
grip
22
years
ago,
our
videos
really
like
they
have
to
be
under
10
minutes
it's
two
years
later
and
research
is
telling
us
they
have
to
be
under
three
minutes
or
people
will
lose
attention
and
even
a
medium.
C
When
you
look
and
you
see
how
many
people
have
read
it,
but
the
percentage
of
what
they've
read
I,
don't
know
how
they
figure
that
out,
how
fast
you
scroll
through
I,
don't
know,
but
I
just
I
find
that
fascinating,
I
I
think
that
we
also
have
to
have
higher
expectations
of
our
learners.
I
think
that
if
it's
intriguing
and
inspiring,
they
will
stay
with
it
so
like
in
an
elementary
classroom.
When
we
talk
about
behavior,
then
all
these
teachers
come
up
with
these
ways
to
manage.
C
C
It
yeah
make
sure
it's
responsive
your
idea
that
you're
saying
that
there's
a
syllabus,
but
there
needs
to
be
flexibility
and
responsiveness
to
it,
so
we're
trying
to
create
tools
that
are
like
that.
You
know
you
can
pick
and
choose
your
topics.
You
can
match
them
together.
You
know,
there's
an
online
content,
there's
webcast
different
ways
of
learning,
but
there's
also
reading
material
that
can
be
done
downloaded.
So
you
can
use
that
your
own
time,
infographics
images
instead
of
words.
You
know
we're
experimenting
with
all
of
this
yeah.
B
C
Other
we're
finding
too
and
I,
don't
know
what
it
what
the
laws
are
in
in
the
US
or
other
places,
but
we
have
something:
the
accessibility
for
Ontario's
Ontario,
it's
AODA
now
I,
don't
know
the
acronym,
but
its
accessibility
standards
with
online
learning.
Hopefully
they
can
cut
out
that
silly
part,
so
its
accessibility
for
standards
for
online
learning,
so
people
who
are
visually
impaired,
hearing
impaired
and
we
have
to
adjust
the
content
that
we're
making.
We
have
to
offer
alternative
formats
for
what
we're
making.
C
B
That's
a
positive
development
upsilon
it
all
right.
Well,
so
let
me
just
ask
one
final
question
and
it's:
it
definitely
relates
to
us
at
a
plural,
a
little
bit
but
I'm
curious.
You
know,
since
you
are
an
educator
and
you've
been
so
and
now
are
so
continued.
You
continue
to
be
in
a
multitude
of
capacities
with
a
you
know,
variety
of
Ages.
What
skill
subjects
or
topics
would
you
consider
designing
or
building
a
learning
community
around?
If
you
had
to
do
so
in
a
very
sort
of
targeted
way,
online.
C
I
would
love
to
design
my
own
learning
for
people
who
are
in
the
role
of
principal
and
vice
principal,
and
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
a
new
way
of
learning
for
leaders.
I
think
that
leaders
in
schools
traditionally
are.
We
call
them
instructional
leaders
and
now
there's
a
new
language
around
Italy
learner
and
the
ideas
that
you
have
to
show
your
vulnerability.
You
just
like
a
teacher
in
a
classroom
in
a
traditional
sense
principles,
and
vice
principals
in
schools.
Try
to
create
this
image
of
themselves.
That
is
so
in
authentic
and
I.
C
Think
what
it
does
is
it
keeps
it
keeps
teachers
from
expanding
their
way
of
learning,
I
mean
often
teachers.
Do
it
in
spite
of
the
leadership
in
the
school
and
but
it
trickles
down
right
that
expression
that
the
fish
rots
from
the
head
and
that
you
know
there
are
so
many
people
that
go
into
leadership
and
education
who
don't
have
to
continue
learning
they've
got
the
courses,
that's
their
goal,
they've
accomplished
it.
C
They
really
don't
have
to
do
any
other
learning
where
teachers
continue
to
take
additional
qualifications
course,
and
it
get
exposed
to
learning
principles.
Can
be
the
only
principle
with
no
VP
in
a
school
and
so
where's
your
network
and
I
think
we
have
to
disrupt
about
a
little
bit.
I
would
love
to
design
a
course
around
that
that's
great.
B
A
What
you
think
Rob,
that
was
a
good
interview.
You
know
the
the
whole
piece
about
making
faculty
and
students
the
center
of
learning
again
is
really
really
important
and
yeah
nice
job
Jesse,
like
you,
wouldn't
one
thing
that
I
want
to
make
note
of,
is
that
I
have
we
are
moving
the
international
offices,
the
us-based
offices
of
a
play,
know
where
I'm
at
really
about
a
mile
and
a
half
I've
been
dealing
with
that
for
about
a
week
a
little
over
a
week.
You
know
moving
in
and
such
so
I
hope.
A
My
apologies
of
communications
have
been
a
little
bit
disjointed
okay
over
the
past
week,
but
understand
that
my
basement
the
first
floor
is
now
filled
with
over
a
thousand
books.
And
if
you
subscribe
to
my
Instagram
account,
you'll
see
the
big
huge
pile
and
we
should
be
back
up
and
running
I'm
dealing
with
contractors
and
a
few
other
things
are
really
full
in
the
next
week
or
so
so
please
be
patient,
and,
and
thanks
for
that
other
than
that,
that's
Jesse.
B
You
know
I'm
in
the
midst
of
of
just
publishing
a
recent
piece
of
media
through
hi
red
revolution,
but
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
in
the
next
piece
at
next
week's
meeting,
number
five,
so
I'll
just
hold
off
for
now,
and
you
know
let
the
debutantes
key
interview
speak
for
itself.
Hopefully
it
is
as
inspiring
for
using.
What's
for
me
great.