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Burlington College is a leader in self designed educational programs. It is also one of Oplerno’s first higher educational partners. We will be discussing how to create a self designed program while keeping costs low.
A
Afternoon
and
good
evening,
this
is
a
Rob
skiff.
This
is
our
second
session
in
wood
block,
which
is
on
building
your
own
degree
without
all
the
debt.
What
we're
going
to
be
doing
is
on
Carol.
More
will
be
coming
on,
hopefully
a
little
bit
later,
but
I
wanted
to
give
you
guys
a
presentation
about
arm
different
ways
to
lower
the
cost
of
your
education.
A
This
is
directed
generally
its
students,
but
it's
also
a
way
for
college
administrators
and
faculty
members
to
start
thinking
about
how
to
help
our
young
people
get
an
education
without
all
the
debt.
As
we
know,
debt
is
a
huge
issue
in
this
in
this
country
and
in
in
higher
internal.
So,
let's
get
to
it.
Oh
by
the
way.
If
you
have
any
questions
for
me,
you
can
send
them
two
questions
at
a
planner
com,
tweet
them
two
at
a
plenum.
A
You
can
also
use
the
hashtag
wood
block
and
will
be
great
if
you
live
tweeted
the
event
or
send
some
messages
to
lump
higher
egg.
Sorry,
the
hashtag,
hi
red
and
again,
if
you
need
to
reach
us
with
on
Facebook,
we
have
a
Facebook
group.
There
will
take
any
questions
at
the
end,
so
degrees
cost
a
lot
of
money.
A
As
you
know,
over
the
last
decade
the
cost
of
higher
education
has
increased
actually
more
than
on
health
care
in
the
United
States
and
at
roughly
six
percent
last
year
on
hsbc,
which
is
one
of
the
largest
banks
on
the
planet,
created
a
report
on
the
costs
of
studying
abroad
in
different
locations
on,
and
they
were
looking
at.
International
education
in
the
US
emerged
as
the
third
most
expensive
option.
A
B
A
Put
the
averaging
will
cost
of
study
in
the
u.s.
at
about
thirty
six
thousand
dollars
a
year,
and
that
includes
tuition
fees
and
living
expenses
in
the
US
for
the
1415
on
academic
year.
They
also
took
a
look
at
state
colleges
and
in
the
United
States
for
those
of
you
who
are
living
outside
on
North
America.
The
US
has
a
system
where,
if
you
are
a
resident
of
a
state,
you
are
eligible
to
receive
in-state
tuition
from
a
college
or
university,
so
I
live
in
Vermont.
A
When
I
went
to
the
University
of
Vermont,
I
was
charging
in
state
rate,
but
if
someone
is
coming,
let's
say
from
california
and
they
roll
at
the
university
of
vermont
they're
going
to
be
charged
an
out-of-state
tuition
rate.
So
for
last
year
the
average
of
state
colleges
for
residents
of
that
state
was
about
nine
thousand
dollars
per
year
for
state
residents
in
22
for
everyone
else,
and
of
course
this
compares
to
an
average
of
thirty
1231
dollars,
a
private
nonprofit
colleges.
Now
this
is
just
tuition.
A
Remember
when
we
that
figure
above
that
36,000
was
tuition
and
living
expenses.
Now
we're
just
going
to
talk
about
cost
for
classes
and
taking
a
look
at
what
is
what
is
delivered
academically
rather
than
taking
a
look
at
all
those
ancillary
services
that
Scott
rank
was
talking
about
in
the
previous
presentation,
so
get
out
your
calculator
in
a
piece
of
paper,
because
what
I
would
like
we're
going
to
walk
through
arm
different
different
kinds
of
equations
and
I'm,
going
to
show
you
how
to
do
these
equations?
A
For
you
to
figure
out
what
how
to
compare
costs
in
a
very
different
way,
then
generally
is
listed
in
colleges
that
in
universities
across
the
country.
So
if
you're,
a
someone
from
the
age
of
you
know
16
to
25
and
you're,
looking
at
going
to
to
college
or
you're
a
non-traditional
student
who
is
rich,
it
was
thinking
about
returning
back
and
taking
some
courses
are
getting
a
degree.
You
know
again
get
a
calculator
piece
of
paper
and
I'm
going
to
show
you
some
ways
to
really
calculate
cost
and
do
a
price
comparison.
A
So
when
we
take
a
look
when
we
r,
we
had
to
come
up
with
a
unit
of
measurement
and
in
the
US
and
higher
edge,
what
we
do
is
we
buy
on
our
education
by
paying
a
semester
cost.
You
know
we
pay
the
tuition
or
we
pay
the
tuition
in
the
room
and
board,
and
we
buy
these
in
sort
of
six
months
month,
chunks
and
what
we
and
it's
sometimes
very
difficult
to
do.
A
Price
comparisons,
and
so
what
I
did
here
was
create
the
first
person
to
do
this,
which
is
taking
a
look
at
what's
the
cost
per
credit?
Okay,
so
in
the
US
it
takes
120,
Carnegie
unit
credits
on
to
earn
a
ba
or
BS.
So
when
you're
taking
courses
generally,
that's
the
courses
are
three
credit
classes,
and
you
know
you
take
about
40
of
them
and
you
earn
your
BA
or
your
BS.
Okay,
now
tuition
is
roughly
arm.
A
For
/
120
is
the
cost
per
credit.
Okay,
so
you
basically
divided
100
and
yet
so,
for
example,
tuition,
a
private
college
or
university
is
thirty
one
thousand
two
and
31
dollars
a
year.
So
if
you
time
to
stop
by
for
the
cost
for
a
ba
or
BS,
is
a
hundred
and
twenty
1924
dollars
on
average
on
from
a
private
college
or
university,
that's
quite
a
lot
of
money.
A
A
Educate
educational
institution
comes
out
to
about
1,000
on
41
dollars
per
credit,
and
when
we
do
that
same
calculation
of
the
cost
per
credit,
we
see
you
know
different
levels
that
education
can
on
that
education
costs
and
we
can
start
to
then
do
a
comparison.
Okay,
so
we
can
do
the
comparison
between
here's.
What
a
private
college
on
average
costs
in
the
US
per
credit.
A
We
can
take
a
look
at
out-of-state
tuition
and
a
public
or
private
ecology
University,
and
then
we
can
take
it
in
say,
tuition
at
a
public
college
or
university,
or
sometimes
some
community
college
credits.
Now
that's
cost
per
one
credit
generally
courses
are
three
credits
long,
so
you
have
two
times
this
by
three
and
you'll:
get
your
cost
for
your
class
okay,
which
is
right
here.
A
So,
at
a
plano
on
our
classes
are
generally
between
500
and
1500
dollars
a
class,
and
what
we
do
is
we
use
faculty,
determine
the
rate
of
pay,
and
so
you
can
find
exactly
what
you
want
in
terms
of
course,
and
then
what
you
can
do
is
on
save
money
on
a
degree,
but
you
don't
have
to
just
do
that
with
the
plane.
Oh
okay,
if
you
want
to
save
money
on
your
degree,
remember
we
use
that
figure
of
that
hundred
and
twenty
eight
thousand
dollars
at
the
very
beginning.
A
That
is
a
balance
between
on
you
know
the
least
expensive
option
and
the
quality
of
the
instruction,
and
let
me
confirm
you
through
a
calculation
of
how
much
potential
you
can
save.
But
first,
if
you're
transferring
credit,
you
have
to
be
careful,
because
many
institutions
have
all
kinds
of
rules
about
what
group
what
courses
they'll
transfer.
They
also
have
a
bunch
of
different
rules
about
arm
what
institutions
they'll
accept
those
credits
from,
and
one
of
the
things
that
can
really
raise.
A
The
cost
of
a
degree
is,
if
you
take
classes
outside
on
the
institution
that
you're
in
a
degree
program
with,
and
you
find
out,
that
those
credits
aren't
going
to
transfer
back
to
the
program
that
you're
trying
to
get
the
degree
in.
So
here's
a
little
checklist
for
you
when
you're
thinking
about
transferring
credit
arm
or
take
a
sorry
transferring
credit,
but
also,
if
you're
thinking
about
taking
a
course
from
a
college
or
university
outside
arm.
A
You
know
of
your
program
so
contact
the
register's
office
at
the
university
or
college
before
you
start
paying
to
take
the
class.
This
is
really
really
important,
because
the
Registrar
has
all
of
the
policies
and
guidelines
at
that
institution
regarding
whether
the
course
you
take
with
a
plan
o
or
with
another
institution
or
you
to
me-
well,
muta
me,
and
course
are
a
different
case,
but
a
planner
no
or
some
other
online
platform,
whether
or
not
that
will
count
as
as
your
arm
for
credit.
For
your
degree.
A
The
second
thing
is:
try
to
get
the
approval
in
writing
from
either
the
registrar's
office,
academic,
dean,
provost
or
senior
administrator.
Sometimes
people
will
say
sure
you
can
do
that
on
and
then,
when
you
try
to
formally
transfer
it,
you
get
into
a
situation
where
the
you
know
a
chair
or
faculty
member
advisors
say
that's
not
possible.
A
So
if
you're
thinking
about
transferring
again
transferring
credit
and
going
through
this
process
get
them
to
sign
off
before
you
pay
for
the
class
and
do
that
by
armed,
providing
that
you
know
person
who's,
doing
the
evaluation
with
potentially
the
who's
going
to
be
teaching
the
class
present
them
with
the
CV,
the
syllabus
arm
and
the
and
a
little
bit
later
on,
you
can
give
them
documentation
of
student
work.
These
are
really
really
critical
things
to
do
on
for
you,
so
you
don't
end
up
double
paying
for
courses
and
classes.
A
A
And,
of
course,
one
of
the
other
pieces
is
how
many,
what's
the
number
of
credits
that
you
can
transfer
each
degree
program
has
its
own
guidelines
about
the
numbers
of
credits
that
you
can
bring
in
from
outside
and
transferring
to
a
program
arm,
and
it
varies
whether
you're
an
undergraduate
or
graduate.
So
when
you're,
looking
at
entering
a
undergraduate
or
graduate
program
on
find
out,
those
saw
find
out
those
rules
on
really
take
a
look
at
arm.
You
know,
what's
the
number
of
courses
that
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
transfer?
A
Are
they
introductory
courses
am
I
going
to
be
able
to
transfer
in
electives
and
as
much
as
you
can
potentially
work
with
your
advisor
and,
of
course,
work
with
the
registrar
you
know
before
you
take
classes
with
a
college
or
university
outside
your
program
to
make
sure
that
those
are
going
to
transfer
so
the
price
difference
time
the
number
of
transfer
credits
equals
your
cost
savings.
Okay,
really
simple
equation
there.
So,
let's
take
an
example
here,
an
out-of-state
student
is
getting
a
degree
in
education
from
a
small
premier,
research
university.
A
They
pay
out-of-state
tuition
at
a
cost
of
765
dollars
per
credit.
The
student
decides
to
spend
four
summers
taking
three
courses,
so
nine
credits
online
or
at
a
local
community
college.
This
earns
the
students
27.
This
earns
the
student
27
transfer
credits,
these
costs
at
three
hundred
and
four
dollars
per
credit
hour.
How
much
money
does
the
students
save?
A
So
that's
the
question
now
in
this
example
on
27
transfer
credits
was
used,
I've,
seen
policies
where
colleges
will
accept
fifty
percent
of
transfer
credits
into
a
program,
or
even
sometimes
larger,
but
again
that
varies.
I
wanted
to
pick
something
on
a
fairly
mellow,
a
low
level
of
for
credits
to
transfer
so
I
pick
27
out
of
that
120.
A
So
the
difference
in
cost
per
credit
is
461
dollars,
and
that
is
the
difference
between
in-state
tuition
and
the
arm
and
out-of-state
tuition,
so
taking
it
at
the
Community
College
or
at
some
other.
You
know.
In
an
online
institution
we
said
that
that
cost
was
going
to
be
about
30
for
so
461
dollars.
Number
of
transfer
credits
is
27,
so
it's
really
simple
to
do
the
equation.
It's
27
times,
461
equals
twelve
thousand
dollars.
A
So
I
want
to
give
you
an
example
of
a
Plano
arm.
So
if
you
take
the
same
scenario
but
use
a
Plano
on
the
savings
can
potentially
be
even
higher.
The
cost
for
credit
for
plano
is
between
one
hundred
and
sixty
seven
dollars
and
we
think
about
500.
So
the
difference
in
per
credit
courses
with
out-of-state
tuition
are
between
$265
and
598.
A
So
I
wanted
to
do
a
few
more
on
that
you
know
private
colleges
and
universities
or
can
run
the
gambit
between
40
and
now
add
a
few
sixty
thousand
dollars
a
year.
That's
quite
high,
so
we're
going
to
use
a
course
that
average
figure
when
you
run
the
numbers
and
you
do
that
same
equation-
that
I
showed
you
earlier
up
out,
taking
the
difference
between
cost
per
credit
and
using
a
potentially
a
lower
cost
option
for
those
introductory
courses
or
low
level.
A
Courses
on
this
savings
can
be
quite
substantial,
so
you
can,
if
you
let's
say,
take
those
introductory
courses
at
a
local
armed
community
college
or
online
program.
You
can
potentially
save
almost
twenty
thousand
dollars
or
fifteen
point
nine
percent
of
your
degree
with
the
plano
it
sort
of
depends.
If
you
go
for
the
higher
level,
you
know
the
higher
cost
classes
it
costs,
1500,
you're
saving
still
is
pretty
substantial
it
between
14
and
23.
Almost
you
know:
twenty
three
and
a
half
thousand
on
/
/
course.
A
A
But
you
know
again
the
savings
for
you
can
potentially
be
quite
substantial
on
this
other
ways
to
save
our
arm.
You
know
trying
to
avoid
as
much
as
possible,
taking
out
higher
and
higher
amounts
of
student
loans.
To
pay
for
mean
paying,
for
your
tuition
is
ok,
but
living
expenses
can
be,
can
be
pretty
tricky
or
using
it
to
pay
for
a
computer,
etc,
because
when
I
calculated,
the
savings
I
only
calculated
the
savings
on
the
cost.
A
When
you
pay
interest
on
your
student
loans,
the
cost
of
those
courses
can
potentially
double
because
you're
taking
out
a
loan
you're
painted
over
10
years,
and
you
have
to
pay
interest
on
that
loan.
So,
while
you
might
think
of
my
degree,
only
cost
me,
you
know
X
amount
of
money
and
I
have
you
know
30
grand
worth
of
student
loans
by
the
time
you
pay
them
off
on.
A
You
might
have
paid
a
total
of
sixty
thousand
dollars
on
in
student
loan
debt
to
pay
for
those
classes,
so
it
can
substantially
raise
the
cost
so
try
as
much
as
possible
to
avoid
taking
out
extra
loans
to
pay
for
on
you
know:
food
clothing
and
shelter
the
the
room
and
board.
You
know
as
much
as
possible
think
about
if
you're
younger
living
at
home,
you
know
with
parents.
A
The
other
piece
is:
if
you're
a
non-traditional
student
you've
really
got
to
find
programs
that
will
allow
you
to
work
on
while
you're
going
to
school
on,
because,
if
you're
working,
then
you
can
use
some
of
that
money
to
pay.
For
you
know
the
food,
clothing,
shelter
and
lower
the
cost
of
for
your
degree
by
not
armed
having
to
take
out
on
debt
to
again
pay
for
for
your
living
expenses.
I'm
one
of
the
really
interesting
things
that
is
developed
over
the
past
several
years
is
summer.
A
Undergraduates
can
take
summer.
Internship
credit
on
many
institutions
are
also
actually
paying
arm
students
for
their
summer
internships.
So
if
you're
earning
credits
that
can
be
applied
to
your
degree
and
you're
also
getting
paid
for
them,
that
can
you
know
that's
a
great
thing:
you're
not
paying
for
the
credit
and
you're,
also
getting
a
stipend
to
take
that
summer.
Internship
courses
and
what
I
find
is
that
really
really
good
institutions
are
also
taking
a
look
at
life
experience
credits
arm
institutions
that
are,
you
know,
really
really
innovative
and
have
flexible
degree
programs.
A
You
know
if
you
can
document
and
show
that
you
have
a
particular
skill
or
you've
taken
something
on
you
know
several
years
ago
you
have
life
experience.
You
know
life
experience.
Credits
are
a
great
way
to
again
lower
the
cost
of
of
your
program.
Okay,
so
a
couple
things
to
remember
is
one
our
collagen
universities
want
you
to
take
as
many
of
their
classes
as
possible,
because,
of
course,
that's.
You
know
how
they,
you
know,
earn
their
earn.
Their
keep
on.
A
Also
collagen
universities
make
most
of
the
money
off
of
intro
and
low
level
courses
on
which
aisle
which
I'll
talk
about
it
another
time
because
they
have
a
small.
You
know
one
or
a
small
number
of
instructors,
they're
generally
adjuncts,
but
your
painful
rate
for
them
arm
and
finally,
higher
priced
prestige.
Colleges
and
universities
will
not
make
this
process
easy
at
all
because
again
they
want
you
to
take
their
material.
A
A
Carol,
are
you
on?
Thank
you
very
much
for
participating.
Carol
Moore
is
the
president
of
of
Burlington
College
on
which
is
a
planet's
first
partner
in
higher
education
and
wanted
to
arm.
You
know,
thank
you
for
participating,
and
also
can
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
Burlington
College
and
the
programs
that
you
have
geared
towards.
You
know
producing
you
know
self-designed
degrees
and
producing
programs.
A
A
B
Okay,
great
well,
thank
you.
Rob
for
the
introduction
and
I
appreciate
your
presentation
to
help
guide
students
to
get
the
best
education
at
the
the
lowest
potential
cost
and
I'm
happy
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
Burlington
College.
It
was
founded
just
a
little
over
40
years
ago.
It
was
founded
in
response
to
community
needs.
B
But
that
said,
I
want
to
focus
on
cost
and
on
our
individualized
undergraduate
degree,
students
can
come
and
design
their
own
major,
which
means
that
they
take
most
of
the
general
education
in
writing:
creative
arts,
historical
perspective,
science,
math
culture,
etc,
and
then
they
design
their
own
individual
major.
They
can
double
major
if
they
choose,
or
they
can
take
a
major
with
one
or
two
minors.
B
We
do
encourage
students
to
do
an
interdisciplinary
work,
but
it's
up
to
them
with
a
faculty
guide
to
design
their
own
major,
some
of
the
majors
that
have
been
popular
in
the
past.
Our
areas
like
art
and
social
change,
media
activism,
environmental
science,
literature,
media
and
social
justice
of
philosophy,
sustainable
studies,
etc.
The
the
list
is
quite
long
as
a
student
can
design
their
own
in
basically
any
field.
They
choose.
A
B
A
B
And
in
addition,
then,
the
student
saves
a
significant
percentage
as
they
go
through
the
four
years
because
their
tuition
is
fixed
at
what
every
year
they
enter.
In
addition,
the
college
has
put
approximately
a
half
a
million
dollars
into
scholarships
for
individuals
in
in
various
areas
and
and
of
course
they
can
get
their
pell
grants
before
taking
you
know
alone,
you
mentioned
rob
the
cost
of
room
and
board,
which
is
significant.
At
many
institutions,
burlington
has
chosen
to
go
a
different
route.
B
We
have
housing
primarily
in
the
burlington
community,
more
apartment
style
living,
so
students
prepare
their
own
meals,
which
generally
saves
them
a
significant
amount
of
money
as
compared
to
a
meal
plan
at
a
traditional
college,
and
we
also
price
our
housing
add
cost
to
the
college.
Most
institutions
make
a
surplus
on
the
the
housing
costs,
but
we
chose
not
to
do
that.
B
So
students
save
considerable
amount
there
as
well,
and
also,
as
you
mentioned,
all
of
our
students
actually
must
have
an
internship
and
can
have
up
to
three
and
we
try
to
help
them
identify
a
paid
internship
so
that
they're
earning
credits,
earning
experience
in
their
field
and
also
making
some
money
to
pay
for
their
education
and
I'm.
Sorry
go
ahead,
robb
so.
A
You
on
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
really
impressed
with
relative
colleges
about
the
evaluation
and
the
transfer
on
credit
policies
that
you
all
have
Carol,
because
it's
you
know
it's
it's
really
good.
So
could
you
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
that?
And
and
do
you
see,
students
taking
advantage
of
sort
of
being
able
to
you
know
Burlington
College,
being
the
hub
of
their
education
where
they're
getting
me
advising
where
they're
getting
a
lot
of
the
specialized
classes
that
they
need?
A
B
We
accept
transfer
students
with
associate's
degrees,
so
we
take
60
to
65
credits,
and
actually
we
will
take
as
many
as
90
transfer
credits.
They
may
not
all
transfer
in
the
exact
field
that
a
student
may
want
to
pursue,
but
they
are
transferred
at
least
as
elective
credits.
So
we
have
pretty
liberal
transfer
policies
and
we
try
and
recruit
many
students
from
community
colleges.
B
You
know
two
years
state
colleges
where,
as
you
mentioned
before,
they
can
earn
an
associate's
degree
at
a
bit
lower
cost
and
then
transfer
into
burlington
and
additionally
any
student,
whether
they
start
you
know
your
one
or
whether
they
start.
Let's
say
at
the
junior
level,
they
can
apply
for
up
to
12
credits
of
life
experience
and
and
we'll
take
those
credits
it
as
well.
So
a
student
can
really
transfer
quite
a
bit
into
the
college
and
complete
their
degree,
so
they
have
a
lot
of
opportunities.
B
We
also
are
very
sensitive,
since
many
of
our
students
are
actually
almost
all
of
our
students
work
and
some
of
them
work
almost
full
time.
We
schedule
our
classes
in
blocks
of
two
and
three
hours
so
that
a
student
can
schedule
work
around
those
blocks
of
time
and
our
our
faculty
are
again
sensitive
to
this
and
and
try
to
connect
students
out
into
the
community
in
their
field
of
study
so
that
they
get
a
double
benefit
of.
You
know,
working
and
making
some
money,
but
also
getting
some
experience
in
their
in
their
chosen
field.
B
A
So
could
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
they
balance
and
then,
if
you
would,
what
factors
should
a
non-traditional
student?
So
a
student
who
you
know
might
be
you
know
a
caregiver
on
taking
care
of
children
or
taking
care
of
an
elderly
parent
or
some
member
of
the
community?
What
sort
of
factors
should
they
be?
Looking
at
when
they're
trying
to
figure
out
what
higher
adoption
is
going
to
be
best
for
them?
I.
B
Think
if
you're
looking
at
a
more
traditional
age
student,
you
know
up
to
you,
know
they're
in
their
20s
or
teens
I
think
they're
there.
They
may
be
looking
for
a
full
college
experience,
so
they
want
to
have
sort
of
a
social
life.
If
you
will,
they
may
want
to
live
on
campus
and
get
that
experience.
B
So
those
are
some
factors.
But
to
me
the
most
important
factors
are
the
values
of
the
institution,
because
education
is
not
value.
Free,
every
institution
has
its
own
culture.
It
has
its
own
values
and
I.
Think
it's
very
important
for
a
student
to
understand
what
that
culture
and
what
those
values
are
to
see.
If
it's
going
to
be
a
good
fit,
and
they
also
need
to
look
at
okay,
what
is
the
highest
quality?
A
I
think
that
only
is
going
to
happen
if
students
have
much
more
control
over
their
education,
and
you
know
Burlington
College,
you
know
what
you
all
are
doing.
You
know
you're
placing
students
at
the
center,
because
you
know
you
do
have
the
the
student
plans
on
the
ways
in
which
they're
evaluated
and
also
the
fact
they
have
so
much
input
into
their
program
arm
and
I.
A
Think
it's
at
a
much
higher
level
than
happens
at
most
institutions
of
higher
ed,
where
you
know,
there's
the
that
high
touch
and
where
your
game
with
students
to
create
it
and
that's
sort
of
that
is,
you
know,
on
the
legacy
of
of
when
Burlington
College
was
started,
but
that's
also
the
cornerstone
of
21st
century
education,
which
has
to
do
with
customization,
high-touch
and
arm
flexibility,
and
so
long
as
the
standards
are
rigorous
on
everything
is
it.
You
know,
works
out
really
really
well
and
that's
what
Dom
that's
what
you
all
are
doing
in
life.
A
B
It
really
is
because
day
one
students
come
into
class
and
the
first
thing
they
do
is
work
with
their
classmates
and
their
instructor
to
set
their
own
personal
learning
goals
for
that
particular
class
and
that
actually
goes
into
their
file
and
at
the
end
of
the
year
or
the
end
of
the
semester.
Actually,
you
know
the
faculty
member
goes
back
and
sits
with
students
individually
and
says.
Well,
you
know,
did
you
meet
these
goals?
What
what
did
you
learn
and
did
you
accomplish
what
you
set
out
to
accomplish,
so
students
really
must
be
engaged.
B
B
But
yeah-
and
the
answer
is
yes:
we
still
do.
There
are
two
options.
Student
students
can
spend
a
semester
at
the
University
of
Havana
or
they
can
opt
to
take
a
trip
and
most
of
the
trips
are
one
week.
There
are
a
couple
that
are
two
weeks,
but
they
can
go
on
a
variety
of
trips
and
we
offer
them
in
fields
such
as
you
know.
Legal
studies
teacher
at
you
know:
education,
agriculture,
business
areas
such
as
those
there's
another
one,
that's
quite
popular
as
a
street
photography
in
Havana.
A
It's
going
to
be
really
interesting
to
see
over
the
next
couple
of
years
on
how
you
know,
since
things
are
opening
up
between
Cuba
in
Cuba
in
the
United
States
about
how
it
opens
up
and
also
whomped,
you
know
with
the
that
long-standing
relationship.
You
know
Cuba
also
has
you
know
incredible
contacts
in
Latin,
America
and
Africa
and
to
see
how
that
Tom.
A
B
And
our
faculty
are
very
in
tune
to
the
educational
value
of
trips
in
general,
so,
for
instance,
our
films
studies,
students
go
to
Lake
Placid
for
a
film
festival,
they'll
go
out
to
Sundance,
which
of
course
is
a
famous
film
festival,
and
this
year
we
may
actually
have
a
trip
to
Cuba
for
their
film
festival.
Our
fine
arts
people
go
to
New
York.
Two
years
ago
they
went
to
Berlin
because
our
faculty
member
was
doing
her
own
show
in
in
Berlin.
So
the
faculty
really
tried
to
get
students.
A
A
You
you
are
also
accredited
by
me:
ask
New
England
Association
of
schools
and
colleges
right
and
so
on
the
issue
of
transferring
your
credits.
Those
credits
earned
in
those
those
classes
to
another
institution
is
in
many
ways
a
whole
lot
easier
than
it
would
be
to
transfer
those
credits
if
you
were
with
a
planner.
Yes,.
B
B
A
B
B
Students
apply
and
they
sit
with
a
faculty
advisor
to
map
out
a
course
of
study,
and
then
we
recruit
faculty
either
in
the
area
or
at
some
distance
who's,
an
expert
in
the
field
or
feels
that
the
student
wants
to
study
and
we
connect
them.
They
come
to
the
college
for
a
low
residency
to
start
them
off,
and
then
they
work
individually
with
the
faculty
members
that
we
assign
them.
So,
interestingly,
we
had
a
student
graduate
last
year
in
aeronautical
engineering.
B
A
Flexibility
of
being
able
to
do
a
self-designed
master's
program
with
experts,
so
that
you
get
your
arm
the
kind
of
learning
and
educational
experience
that
you
want.
That's
really
really
exciting
and
again
it's
one
of
the
few
places
in
the
US
and
I
would
suspect
the
world
that
has
on
the
systems
in
place
to
create
that
type
of
a
flexible
program,
and
you
know
we're
really
excited
to
be
working
with
Burlington
colleges.
B
Absolutely
we're
very
excited
about
our
partnership
with
a
player,
no
because
this
opens
up
a
whole
repertoire
of
experts
to
our
students,
both
undergraduates
and
graduates,
and
a
much
broader
array
of
course
offerings.
Then
a
small
college
can
provide,
and
that's
what
we
want
to
do
is
give
our
students
up
a
full
array
of
opportunities
to
pick
and
choose
what
they
want
to
study
and
with
whom
yep.
B
A
A
We'll
get
them,
you
know
we'll
we'll
get
that
sorted
out
again.
It's
a
little.
Sometimes
it's
a
little
tough
to
get
dumb
those
technical
glitches
sorted
out,
but
the
cost
of
the
conference
makes
it
worth
it
because
it's
free,
oh
yeah.
Well,
we
don't
have
to
get
too
fancy
with
with
all
those
all
that
stuff
right.