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Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee - Agenda 24 - Monday, June 28 2021 – video stream
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A
Sorry
good
morning,
everyone
and
thank
you,
miss
clerk
for
this
now,
so
we
like
to
call
our
meeting
to
order
for
today
june
28
2021,
the
agricultural
affairs
committee,
there's
the
statement
I
would
like
to
read.
First,
this
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
by-law
amendment
listed
as
item
1
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
just
mention.
Only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendment
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
ontario
land
tribunal.
A
In
addition,
the
applicant
might
appeal
the
merit
to
the
ontario
land
tribunal.
If
council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
with
the
90
days
of
recipient
of
the
application
for
zoning
120
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment
to
submit
written
comment
on
this
amendments
prior
to
their
consideration
by
the
city
council
on
july,
7th,
please
email
or
call
committee
or
council
coordinator
noted
two
committee
members.
A
Obviously
we
still
have
in
the
meeting
on
virtual,
so
counselor
as
a
reminder.
If
you
have
an
emotion
on
any
of
the
item
listed
today,
please
send
a
copy
to
us
ahead
of
the
public
delegation,
so
that
committee,
member
and
staff
have
an
opportunity
to
review
as
necessary,
clarify
your
motion
during
the
discussion
of
the
matter.
Thank
you,
and
we
don't
have
regret
today,
so,
mr
clerk,
can
we
do
the
role
call
please
yes,
chair.
D
E
A
A
A
So
the
item
number
one
that
the
agriculture
and
rural
fair
committee,
the
command
council
approve
an
amendment
to
zoning
by
law,
2008-2504
2261
o2
rule
for
the
purpose
of
rezoning
portion
of
the
land
from
agriculture,
hg
to
agriculture,
subzone
5
8g5
to
prohibit
residential
use
on
a
retaining
farm
land
as
detail
in
document.
2
item
number
2
that
the
agricultural
and
rural
affairs
committee
approve
consultation.
Details
section
of
this
report
be
included
as
part
of
brief
explanation
on
item
number.
One.
Do
we
have
any
speaker?
B
A
F
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
G
You
very
much,
obviously
this
is
it's
another
one
of
those
items
where
we're
simply
zoning
the
things
that
we've
already
approved
the
the
designation
changes
of.
However,
members
of
committee
might
recall
a
ongoing
study
referred
to
as
the
bleaks
foul
field,
soil
study,
so
the
properties
subject
to
that
study,
which
has
yet
to
conclude,
are
contained
in
this
report
for
final
zoning.
So
it's
premature
to
zone
those
properties.
So
as
such,
we
have
a
meeting
this.
G
Whereas
staff
recognizes
premature
for
the
affected
lands,
obliques
battlefield
area
to
be
rezoned
prior
to
the
completion
of
study
therefore
be
resolved.
That
document
1
of
this
report
be
amended
to
by
removing
the
map
located
on
page
12
from
the
lands
to
be
affected
by
this
zoning
bylaw
amendment.
G
B
A
B
A
A
So
we
have
the
mayor.
Pierre
leroux
was
supposed
to
be
attending,
unfortunately
sent
me
a
message
this
morning.
He
would
not
be
able
to
attend
and
that
the
agriculture
and
rural
affairs
committee
recommend
that
council
approve
the
installation
of
all
way,
stop
control
at
the
intersection
of
gregory
road
on
marvel
road
route.
400.
H
I
I
just
I
really
appreciate
if
we
can
carry
this
item
back
mr
chair,
this
is
a
request,
came
from
russell
township,
this
area
on
the
east
side
of
osgoodward
at
the
corner.
It
is
really
growing
and
all
the
intersection
east
on
boundary
they
all
half
four
way
other
than
this
one,
and
there
is
a
new
subdivision.
You
can't
count
how
many
near
misses,
because
they
don't
happen,
but
it
is
for
safety
perspective
for
the
community.
H
G
B
B
G
A
Okay,
thank
you
riley
and
gil,
so
on
item
number
seven
and
we
carry
okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
folks
and
so
we'll
go
back
to
the
held
item
and
item
number
number.
Two
is
the
first
item
run
by
200
ross,
bradley
road
and
that's
basically,
the
cart
airport
property.
So
we
have
staff
to
answer
questions,
but
we
have
five
delegation
delegation
number
one
and
I
hope
I'm
not
gonna
ruin
your
last
name,
nora,
daddy,.
B
A
A
So,
okay,
why
don't
we
with
the
committees?
Can
we
go
to
item
number
three
and
we'll
come
back
to
item
number
two?
Maybe
by
that
time
they
would
join
us?
Yes,
okay!
Thank
you
very
much
so
item
number
three
and
that's
america,
so
I'll
turn
it
to
you
and
that's
the
unfun,
diversified
use
and
agriculture
related
use.
So
america,
back
to
you.
F
F
F
F
So
I
wanted
to
start
by
giving
you
a
little
bit
of
background
on
how
we
got
here.
The
proposed
amendments
are
to
bring
city
of
ottawa
regulations
into
alignment
with
provincial
direction.
The
province
started
permitting
diversified
farm
businesses
back
in
2014
through
the
provincial
policy
statement.
F
Agriculture
related
uses
support
farming
directly
and
benefit
from
being
in
proximity
to
local
farms,
because
these
uses
represent
a
departure
from
existing
permissions
for
prime
agricultural
lands.
The
province
also
produced
a
guide
document
in
2016
to
aid
municipalities
in
developing
appropriate
regulations
for
these
diversified
uses.
So
what
we're
going
to
see
proposed
here
today
is
largely
based
on
that
guide.
F
In
2017,
we
updated
our
official
plan
policies
to
reflect
the
new
permissions
through
official
plan
amendment
180,
permitting
the
new
diversified
uses
in
both
the
agricultural
resource
area
and
the
general
rural
area
of
that
plan,
and
I
will
note
that
there
are
some
basic
permissions
for
on-farm
diversified
use
in
the
zoning
bylaw.
Currently,
these
were
enacted
in
2019
as
a
kind
of
interim
solution
prior
to
commencement
of
this
zoning
study.
F
So,
as
I
mentioned,
the
proposed
amendments
are
largely
based
on
the
guide
document
produced
by
the
province
called
the
guidelines
on
permitted
uses
in
ontario's.
Prime
agricultural
areas
included
in
this
document
are
recommended
policy
approaches,
appropriate
area
limitations,
a
discussion
of
how
various
uses
might
be
categorized
items
to
think
about
when
considering
compatibility,
impact
mitigation
and
various
regulatory
tools
available
to
municipalities
to
support
them
in
regulating
these
new
uses.
It's
quite
a
comprehensive
document.
F
F
Rural
ottawa
makes
up
about
80
percent
of
the
city's
land
area
and
about
40
percent
of
that
is
identified
as
prime
agricultural
land,
or,
in
other
words,
land
on
which
diversified
farm
uses
are
to
be
permitted.
According
to
the
province,
prime
agricultural
lands
typically
fall
within
the
agricultural
resource
designation
of
our
official
plan.
The
strategy
also
notes
that
increasing
flexibility
for
agriculture
in
the
general
rural
designation
of
the
official
plan
may
be
beneficial
as
well
in
alleviating
some
of
the
challenges
associated
with
the
smaller
agricultural
parcels.
F
Lastly,
these
permissions
are
also
coming
at
an
appropriate
time,
since
the
federal
rural
economic
development
strategy
was
also
recently
released,
and
that
strategy
includes
a
focus,
among
other
things,
on
extending
high-speed
internet
and
renewing
rural
infrastructure.
So
this
means
small
businesses
will
be
better
equipped
to
accommodate
diversified
uses
in
the
coming
years,
particularly
with
respect
to
infrastructure
for
goods
and
service
transactions.
Next
slide,
please.
F
So
before
I
get
into
the
goals
of
the
study,
I
thought
it
would
be
useful
to
go
through
how
the
province
actually
defines
these
diversified
uses.
So
what
is
an
on-farm
diversified
use?
The
term
is
meant
to
capture
different
kinds
of
commercial
or
industrial
uses
that
are
secondary
to
agriculture
and
limited
in
area.
F
The
province
does
provide
a
list
of
examples,
things
like
home
industries,
value-added
production
and
farm
tourism
activities,
but
that
list
is
not
exhaustive.
So
note
that,
though
the
definition
references
uses
that
benefit
from
the
agricultural
context
or
make
use
of
agricultural
products,
the
permissions
do
not
require
that
the
use
be
directly
related
to
the
farming
operation.
F
The
term
secondary
to
farming
is
also
important
to
note
secondary
means
that
these
uses
are
only
permitted.
If
there
is
a
principal
agricultural
operation
on
site,
it
will
be
up
to
the
applicant
to
provide
evidence
demonstrating
that
this
is
the
case
that
agriculture
is
the
principal
use
and
further
once
a
non-farm
diversified
use
is
established.
F
F
F
F
F
These
uses
will
still
be
permitted,
but
under
the
on-farm,
diversified
use
category
and
I'll
go
over
that
in
a
minute,
but
the
point
being
that
we
won't
be
preventing
other
types
of
farm-related
uses
like
say
an
abattoir
is
one
that's
been
brought
up
a
couple
of
times,
but
such
uses
won't
be
permitted
as
stand-alone
uses
on
a
lot
other
than
if
they
were
to
go
through
this.
The
zoning
by-law
amendment
application
process,
as
the
current
policy
requires
next
slide.
Please.
F
F
These
first
two
goals
come
together
to
form
the
basis
of
our
proposed
strategy,
a
strategy
which
focuses
much
more
heavily
on
regulating
the
size
of
use
rather
than
the
type
of
use.
So
we
want
to
ensure
that
our
policies
don't
stand
in
the
way
of
new
ideas,
but
also
to
ensure
that
there
is
still
appropriate
oversight
taking
place
to
ensure
farmland
remains
protected
uses
are
compatible
and
impacts
are
mitigated
as
much
as
possible
and
then.
F
F
So
what
does
balancing
of
opportunities
with
protection
of
farmland
look
like
in
terms
of
policy?
So,
as
I
said,
our
goal
is
to
permit
that
broad
spectrum
of
new
commercial
and
industrial
uses
on
farms
to
allow
for
that.
The
area
maximums
we
are
proposing
have
to
be
fixed.
In
other
words,
we
are
not
in
support
of
incremental
increases
to
the
area
maximums
that
will
be
outlined
in
the
zoning
bylaw.
F
Should
the
proposed
use
exceed
the
permitted
area.
We
would
view
this
as
a
change
of
use
from
a
secondary
on-farm,
diversified
use
to
a
principal
commercial
or
industrial
use
of
land,
and
that
would
therefore
require
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
to
establish,
in
addition
to
the
fixed
area
maximums,
we
are
proposing
to
apply
site
plant
control
to
applications
for
diversified
farm.
F
F
Keep
in
mind
that
site
plan
control
fees
for
small
rural
projects
are
much
less
than
standard
fees
for
site,
plane
control
and
the
benefit
again
is
that
the
use
of
this
tool
will
permit
a
much
broader
range
of
small
scale.
Diversified
uses
to
be
established
on
agricultural
lands,
essentially
as
of
right
without
requiring
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
next
slide.
Please.
F
F
F
F
When
I
say
higher
impact,
I
mean
anticipated
strain
on
water
and
wastewater
systems
based
on
ontario
building
code
requirements.
For
things
like
sprinkler
systems
and
public
washrooms,
as
well
as
traffic
and
parking
impacts
and
potential
noise
and
nuisance
to
surrounding
properties
associated
typically
associated
with
these
uses,
so
these
uses
will
be
permitted
in
locations
where
they
have
traditionally
not
been
permitted,
but
only
in
so
far
as
they
are
at
a
scale
that
is
anticipated
to
be
more
or
less
compatible.
F
The
intent
is
to
keep
visitors,
at
least
in
this
as
of
right
context
below
about
100
people
for
those
winery
type
uses.
I
will
also
note
that
processing
activities
that
incorporate
inputs
like
grapes
from
off-site,
though
this
is
a
diversified
use,
will
not
be
subject
to
the
floor
area.
Maximums
just
proposed
and
will
only
be
subject
to
the
total
lot
area,
maximum
of
2
percent
again,
to
provide
some
flexibility
there.
F
I'll
reiterate
that
these
area
limitations
are
what
ensures
that
the
use
remains
secondary
to
a
principal
agricultural
use
and
how
compatibility
is
proposed
to
be
addressed.
Uses
larger
than
these
maximums
continue
to
have
the
option
to
locate
on
an
appropriately
zoned
site
or,
alternatively,
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
process.
F
F
F
F
Under
the
current
system,
where
commercial
use
is
proposed,
a
minimum
area
of
one
acre
is
taxed
at
a
commercial
rate.
The
city
also
recently
adopted
a
new
small
scale:
on-farm
business
property
subclass
in
2019,
which
further
reduces
the
first
50
000
dollars
of
commercial
use,
land
value
by
75
percent.
I
think
that's
great
news
for
farmers
looking
to
diversify
next
slide.
Please.
B
B
A
D
D
J
Because
that's
not
what
was
shown
in
the
actual
presentation,
it
was
shown
a
winery
processing,
separate
and
say
an
event
venue
on
the
property
as
a
separate
building
if
it's
all
housed
in
one
in
the
same
building,
but
obviously
used
more
as
the
winery
than
the
event.
Is
that
still
permitted?
That's
a
question
with
that.
You
want
to
go
to
the
second
question,
obviously
used
more
as
the
winery
than
the
event
is
that
still
permitted.
That's.
D
D
So
question
number
two
for
the
chair:
if
we
wanted
to
expand
our
operation
by
building
a
second
winery
building,
the
limit,
the
limitation
of
300
square
meters
for
new
buildings
would
not
apply
because
it
actually
doesn't
apply
to
wineries.
Is
that
correct
whether
it's
could
our
second
building
be
greater
than
300
square
meters?
If
it's,
but
it's
also
processing
agricultural
product.
D
And
question
number
three
for
buildings:
larger
than
300
square
meters,
with
parking
lots
greater
than
nine
places
as
per
the
document.
That's
currently,
suddenly
they
are
currently
subjected
to
site
plan
control
review.
I
want
to
ask
if
if
we
can
have
clarification
on
what
impact
that
site
plan
control
review
may
have
on
us.
D
A
G
Thanks,
I
think
the
echo
issue
is
actually
coming
through
marika's
and
for
some
reason,
I'm
not
sure
what
was
going
on
there,
but
so
a
lot
of
the
questions
janet
tom
good,
to
hear
from
you.
The
question
is:
can
you
send
those
to
us
so
well,
ideally
to
me,
so
I
can
get
those
answers
for
you
because
I
don't
think
we're
gonna
have
those
answers
for
you
right
this
instant
just
having
some
challenges,
some
technical
challenges
with
marika's
connection
to
stay
on
the
meeting.
G
F
A
G
Yeah,
absolutely
jabalani
is
one
of
our
great
assets
in
the
in
rural
ottawa
and
it's
so
it's
important
to
have
them
here,
and
this
is
a
growing
industry
that
we're
seeing
in
in
the
auto
area,
and
it's
one
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
supporting.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
our
policies
align
with
with
fostering
that
growth.
A
F
I
don't
know
if
that's
working
I
mean
I,
I
think
it
varies
depending
on
what
the
local
agriculture
is.
One
example,
a
common
example
that
I
can
think
of
is
traffic.
There
are
a
lot
of
snow,
slow,
moving
agricultural
vehicles
on
accessing
some
of
these
properties,
and,
if
you're
increasing
the
level
of
of
traffic,
then
it
may
hinder
the
ability
of
these
farmers
to
be
using
those
roads.
The
way
they
need
to
in
order
to
run
their
business.
C
No,
I
was,
I
was
thinking
about
that,
because
if
it
turns
out
to
be
a
local
winery
or
something
that
invites
a
lot
of,
you
know
customers,
because
there's
certainly
a
lot
of
interest
in
in
these.
You
know
small
startups
yeah
you
can.
It
may
result
in
a
much
more
traffic
on
some
of
these
local
roads,
so
who's
going
to
determine
when
that
becomes
a
problem.
F
K
So
an
example
of
a
another
impact
would
be
wedding.
Venues
on
farms,
often
there's
noise
associated
with
them.
Late.
At
night,
people
set
off
fireworks
to
celebrate,
which
is
really
nice,
but
that
can
affect
dairy
farms
in
nearby.
It
can
affect
how
much
milk
the
cows
make
nearby.
It
can
upset
the
animals.
So
those
are
that's.
That's
just
one
example
type
of
impact
that
that
can
be
seen.
A
K
K
So,
but
I
I
think
the
reason
why
the
the
you
know
omafra
is
has
allowed
on
farm
diversified
uses
is
because
it's
felt
that
all
of
these
impacts
can
be
adequately
looked
after
through
municipal
bylaws
and
through
other
through
development
review
processes
and
there's
still
great
potential
for
farmers
to
have
other
businesses
on
their
farms
and
that's
what
america's
amendments
will
achieve
a
lot
of
more
increased
opportunities
for
farmers.
We
hope.
C
K
It's
not
so
much
the
use,
that's
the
issue.
The
use
would
be
permitted.
You
know,
based
on
limited
sizes,
site
plan
control
would
look
after
the
impacts
you
know
associated
with
parking
and
make
sure
making
sure
that
access
is,
is
safe
and
done
properly
for
the
site.
Things
like
that,
where
you
know
where
is
waste
being
picked
up
and
so
on?
What
is
the
lighting
like
so
site?
Plant
control
can
look
after
those
aspects
of
the
use.
F
F
The
neighbors
would
have
an
opportunity
to
provide
input
if
the
proposal
was
for
a
use
that
was
larger
than
those
area
maximums
that
have
already
been
looked
at
and
considered
to
be
compatible
at
that
very
limited
size.
So
it
is
at
the
stage
where
an
applicant
might
be
going
through
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
process
where
there
would
then
be
opportunity
for
for
public
input,
because
it's
exceeding
that
size
that,
okay,
that
we're
proposing
to
be
limited
and
so.
C
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
It's
I
just
want
to
thank
marika
and
carol
for
a
great
presentation
and
great
answering
those
questions
that
we
we
do
have
we.
We
are
going
to
have
some
challenges
and
we
are
have.
We
are
probably
going
to
have
some
some
issues
arise,
but
the
bottom
line
is
the
presentation
and
what
we're
proposing
is
an
amazing
things
for
the
rural
ottawa
and
in
the
city
of
ottawa.
I
mean
we
visited
many
wineries
in
council
muffit.
We
have
tom
and
janet
on
the
line.
H
H
Winery
also
in
cumberland,
see
we're
trying
to
remove
all
these
policies
and
all
these
handcuffs
around
our
farmer,
because
farmer
can
produce
more
than
only
crops
and
more
than
corns
and
beans,
which
is
great
and
amazing,
but
also
the
bakery
side
of
it,
and
then
we
just
demonstrated
and
saw
and
go
and
go
over
it-
that
people
like
to
go
for
drive
on
sundays
and
saturdays
and
see
some
of
the
local
produce
that
local
farmer
can
produce
cheeses
and
anything
else.
So
I'm
just
very
excited.
H
I
know
that
we've
been
working
a
long
time
on
this
on
this
on
these
policies
and
this
proposal,
I
want
to
congratulate
staff.
I
know
that
mr
steve
willis
has
been
listening
and
hearing
all
the
rural
counselor
and
with
his
team
and
the
official
plan
team,
I
am
excited
and
I'm
really
ecstatic
to
see
all
these
changes
and
also
you
guys
thought
of
everything
you
thought
about
the
cash
in
lu.
H
You
thought
about
permission
from
a
perspective
of
taxes
and
everything
to
help,
and
it
is
true
it's
a
truly
policy
that
will
help
farmer
to
be
have
a
second
inc
secondary
income
back
for
supply
of
farming.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
I
can't
thank
all
the
hard
work
behind
this,
so
I
just
want
to
say
that
thanks.
Mr
chairman,.
F
A
K
Yes,
well
I
mean
solar
farms.
Farms
are
limited,
they're,
not
they're,
not
permitted
on
prying
egg
land.
Actually,
it's
wind
turbines,
maybe,
and
they
would
be
subject
to
the
on-farm
diversified
uses
limitations
on
the
area
of
land
that
can
be
used
on
a
farm
in
a
prime
in
a
prime
ag
area
for
on
far
for
a
wind
turbine.
K
B
K
I'll,
let
america
speak
to
that
one,
and
also
I'll
just
clarify
or
correct
what
I
said.
Solar
is
permitted,
but
it
once
again
on
prime
ag
land,
it's
limiting
its
size
to
to
a
very
small
area,
so
the
same
size
limitations
and
then
functionally
speaking,
something
like
that
of
that
size.
You
can't
operate
a
commercial
solar
farm
at
that
size.
K
You
need
a
minimum
of,
I
believe
it's
six
or
ten
hectares
currently
to
to
make
a
profit
on
a
solar
farm,
and
certainly
you'd,
have
to
have
an
enormous
most
of
our
ag
parcels
aren't
large
enough
to
accommodate
something
of
that
size
for
a
solar
farm.
So
it
would
be
an
accessory
thing
to
say
for
a
farmer
wanted
to
make
some
energy
for
themselves
or
something,
but
america.
F
So,
if
you're
not
able
to
comply
with
that,
there's
no
opportunity
for
negotiation,
you
would
have
to
then
apply
to
vary.
The
provision
which
also
comes
with
associated
costs.
Excuse
me
so,
though
it
seems
like
this
is
an
additional
cost.
This
is
actually
kind
of
the
the
cheapest
option.
There
is
providing
the
broadest
opportunity.
There
is
okay.
A
A
I'm
I'm
sure
we
saw
so
many
herder
and
you
answer
so
many
questions
and
I
think
still
some
of
it
will
come
your
way,
but
the
bottom
line
is
clearly
what
we
propose.
If
folks
stick
to
that
proposal,
then
that's
a
great
news
for
them.
If
they
want
to
expand
on
it,
then
they
have
to
come
back
and
you're
going
to
deal
with
it
case
by
case.
Is
that
fair
to
say?
A
Okay,
so
for
my
colleague,
can
we
carry
this
report?
The
agricultural
affair
committee
recommend
the
council
approve
an
amendment
to
the
official
plan
to
revise
section
3.7
rural
designations
as
detail
in
document
1
details
of
recommended
official
plan
amendment.
So
can
we
carry
this
okay?
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
again,
america
and
carol
job
well
done.
Thank
you
so
much
I
heard
from
the
clerk
we
have
some
folks.
A
B
A
A
A
L
L
Currently,
since
the
water
is
coming
from
the
carp
city,
we
have
been
charged
the
highest
rate
in
ottawa
as
a
commercial
rate.
My
understanding
from
this
proposal
that
this
200
the
project
on
the
200
bradley
road
is
gonna.
You
know
share
the
same
airport
land.
My
question
is:
what
is
the
consequences
for
residents?
We
have
been
charged
again,
the
highest
water
tier
in
entire
ottawa,
so
when
this
factory
come
in,
are
we
responsible
to
pay
the
extra
fees?
L
Second,
is
their
plan
for
security
for
the
resident
who
live
nearby?
I'm
just
curious
because
this
is
family
oriented
community
and
we
would
like
to
know
what
is
the
impact
for
our
families
and
the
third
question
is
if
there
is
wear
and
tear
because
today,
with
the
current
plan,
which
most
of
our
residents
is
planning
to
take
actions
and
try
to
find
the
solution,
we
pay
fees
for
the
airport.
L
Now,
when
we
bring
another
factory
that
consume
kind
of
same
services,
how
much
money
we
are
expecting
to
pay
for
this
project,
because
we
don't
want
the
residents
to
be
impacted
by
adding
extra
services
and
and
water
fees
and
and
other
common
charges.
So
I'm
I'm
trying
to
understand
if
there
is
anything
implant
to
to
make
sure
that
the
resident
are
not
paying
consequences
for
such
project.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
and
help.
A
Thank
you
thank
you
and,
or
I'm
gonna,
just
give
you
a
little
bit
of
history
on
on
the
underwater
situation,
to
the
benefit
of
my
colleague
as
well.
So
the
water
come
from
the
village
of
carr,
it's
a
communal
water
system
and
provide
trickle
systems.
So
basically
the
water
comes
from
the
village
of
carp
goes
to
the
carp
airport,
get
treated
at
the
carp
airport
and
then
they
get
distribution
to
the
residential
and
to
the
businesses
in
that
area.
A
I
Regarding
the
water,
there
are
two
separate
types
of
water
usage
at
the
carp
airport.
The
residents
use,
as
the
speaker
referred
to
the
carp,
an
extension
of
the
carp
village
water
system,
the
municipal
system,
which
is
then
distributed
throughout
the
residences
on
the
industrial
commercial
park
side
of
tarp
airport.
They
are
on
private
services,
they're,
not
using
the
same
system
whatsoever.
There's
no
no
conflict
there.
Regarding
her
comment
with
respect
to
security,
that
would
be
a
matter
between
the
applicant
and
their
licensing
authority,
which
I
believe
is
health.
I
Canada
would
dictate
what
is
in
place
with
regards
to
securing
the
facility.
We
would
also
look
at
those
security
type
structures
through
the
site
plan,
control
phase,
which
is
the
subsequent
stage,
and
the
third
comment,
I
believe,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
the
speaker
was
referring
to,
she
did
say,
wear
and
tear.
I
can
confirm
that
the
condominium
corporation
that's
been
established
for
the
residents
is
separate
than
the
con,
then
a
condominium
corporation,
which
will
be
established
in
the
commercial
industrial
area.
L
Yeah,
if
you
allow
me,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
reply
just
to
confirm
we
are
not
being
charged
as
a
residential
water
tier.
We
still
pay
commercial
rates
and
the
current
elected
condominium.
We
have
problem
with
them
because
currently
they
are
not
sharing
the
financial
record.
We
have
complained
many
time
and
requested
to
get
an
idea
to
see
what
are
we
paying,
but
we
will
follow
up
in
different
kind
of
stream.
L
We
actually
reach
to
the
ontario
condominium
authority
to
get
more
information.
How
do
we
get
data
but
just
to
bring
this
to
your
attention
currently
as
a
resident
we
are,
we
are
being
kind
of
analyzed
with
a
commercial
rate,
the
highest
rate
as
a
resident,
so
we're
trying
to
figure
out
if
this
factory
came
into
the
picture,
they're
gonna
every
house
actually
is
a
septic
system.
L
A
In
batmura,
that's
really
and
actually
adam
wants
to
answer
you,
but
that's
really
separate
what
we
are
talking
about
here.
So
here
we're
talking
about.
You
know
an
application
for
a
zoning
amendment
to
ross
bradley
road
to
permit
this
type
of
business.
But-
and
as
you
heard
from
from
the
manager
of
approval,
has
said
this
has
really
they
have.
A
A
A
M
Well,
that's
the
and
one
concern
another
concern.
Is
that
so
are
they
are
these,
like?
A
factory
is
going
to
be
built
in
the
share
with
the
discount
this
com
condominium
or
what,
because
I'm
so
unclear
about
all
these
things
too,
in
this
area
right
now
for
the
development
and
the
things
that
brought
up
and
the
most
things
coming
into
the
more
things.
Of
course,
my
concern
is
like
mess
up
the
community
here.
A
G
G
Yeah,
so
the
reason
why
I
asked
that,
of
course,
is
that
cannabis
is
a
legal
product
in
ontario
now
in
canada,
no
different
than
than
wine.
So
that's
that's
the
kind
of
the
reality
that
we
have
to
live
in
that
we
we
can't
treat
it
like.
It's
like
it's
some
illicit
drug
anymore.
The
reality
is
it's
no
different
than
a
beer
store
or
an
lcbo,
or
in
this
case
a
brewery
or
a
winery.
M
Ask
a
question
to
everybody:
is
that
are
we
concerned
over
our
future
canadians
to
be
not
drug
addict?
You
know
to
be
like
more
normal
type
of
living,
not
to
the
drug
addict
if
they
can
avoid
of
that
right
and
I'm
sure
it's
for
the
camera
versus
factory
clothes
too,
and
it's
harder
for
our
parents
and
for
everybody
to
be
to
be.
You
know
controlled,
because
today
somebody
will
do
it
and
other
influence
other
kids
in
here
in
and
everything
things
are
more
closer
here.
A
Okay,
and
and
in
fairness,
this
is
not
what
this
application
is
all
about.
Just
so,
let's
be
clear,
so
the
application
is
for
official
plan
zoning
amendment,
that's
what
it
is,
and
if
this
application
came
in
on
any
place
on
carpro
corridor
from
march
road,
all
the
way
to
stittsville,
they
won't
have
to
be
on
the
front
of
us
today.
They
would
already
gone
to
a
site
plant
control
and
they
start
digging
and
then
building
so
really
been
on
the
front
of
us
today.
A
Cannabis
is
not
a
retail
cannabis,
so
rest
assured
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
buy
anything
from
them
anytime
soon,
but
this
is
application
is
about
the
zoning
and
that's
one
in
front
of
us
today
and
adam
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
that
this
application
came
anywhere
on
car
pro
all
the
way
to
citro.
You
won't
be
here
today
asking
for
that.
A
N
Sorry,
just
on
unmuting
pardon
me.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you,
members,
committee.
I'll
keep
my
comments
brief.
Also
on
the
line
is
the
president
of
canadagenetics,
the
applicant
jeff,
graham,
who
can
speak
to
any
questions
about
any
of
the
operations
that
members
of
the
committee
might
have
I'll?
N
These
industrial
areas
were
essentially
left
out
of
that
report,
but
but
in
in
looking
at
that,
the
the
transportation
zones
being
industrial
zones
are
appropriate
for
this.
This
type
of
use
with
respect
to
200
russ
bradley
mark.
I
don't
know
if
you're
able
to
put
up
that
the
image
that
I
forwarded
on
friday.
N
N
N
N
This
will
simply
look
like
an
industrial
building,
a
warehouse
and
there
won't
be
any
there
won't
be
any
any
glowing
signs
or
anything
like
that
saying
saying:
what's
there
it's
it's
going
to
be,
and
again
it's
going
to
be
a
secured
facility,
as
well
so
from
the
street,
you
other
than
the
sign.
That's
on
the
building.
You
wouldn't
know
what
was
actually
going
to
be
inside
the
building.
So
with
that,
I
will
wrap
up
and
if
there
are
any
other
questions,
I
will
remain
on
the
line.
A
A
I
I
think,
maybe
down
here
where
I
can
answer
this
question,
because
this
is
really
strictly
between
the
the
carp
airport
and
the
city
on
purchasing
the
water
from
from
the
city
and
then
in
return
daily
solid
to
their
condominium
with
a
special
fee.
But
this
application
has
their
own
water
they're
using
obviously
well
water,
and
it's
already
have
with
the
report.
We
have
the
the
hydro,
g
and
and
mvcas
involved
and
other
and
they're
all
in
agreement
with
it.
I
You
are
correct.
It's
private
services
and
they're
required
to
go
through
an
appropriate
hydrogeological
report
to
prove
up
those
services
which
will
be
further
done
for
this
particular
development.
At
the
site
plan
stage,
there's
been
preliminary
work
and
we'll
be
doing
further
work.
At
this
point.
A
A
E
E
I
would
say
in
this
case
this
is
a
production
facility
not
for
retail,
but
for
residents
who
are
concerned
about
cannabis
policy
and
so
on.
There
are.
There
are
appropriate
values
that
you
can
take
to
express
your
concerns,
for
example,
to
the
agco,
the
alcohol
and
gaming
commission
of
ontario
when
there
are
applications
for
retail
facilities.
E
Your
mpp,
your
your
member
of
provincial
parliament,
who
you
can
express
concerns
to
about
provincial
policy
and
to
your
mp,
your
federal
represent
representative
around
federal
cannabis
laws,
and
so
on.
So
there
are
a
number
of
venues
you
can
take,
but
in
this
case
this
is
a
fairly
straightforward
zoning
application,
so
I'll
support
it,
but
I
hope
residents
with
concerns
we'll
contact
the
appropriate
government
bodies
to
to
share
your
concerns
and
feedback.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Thank
you
very
much
council
governor
and
I
have
to
agree
with
you.
We
heard
time
and
time
again
the
accessibility
or
the
availability
of
vibes
or
brewery,
or
now
you
can
get
beer
delivered
to
your
home
so
anyway,
there's
money
concerned,
but
not
for
this
application.
This
is
just
basically
for
a
zone,
as
I
said
earlier,
if
this
application
came
any
other
location
down
the
airport,
this
will
not
be
on
the
front
of
us
today.
A
So
if
there's
no
further
question
on
the
item:
okay,
okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you,
mr
brown,
for
not
just
for
today
for
you
and
the
planner,
sarah
for
informing
the
community
and
the
counselor's
office
and
helping
respond
some
of
the
email
and
initiate
some
of
the
meeting
to
to
get
where
we
are
today.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
on
behalf
all
of
us,
adam
and
sarah
for
job
well
done.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
A
Now
we
go
back
to
I
believe
with
with
bouncing
around
items.
I
follow
you
so
so
item
number
five
is
that
correct
mark
we
still
have
the
general
zoning
provision
parking
and
secondary
dual,
and
so
we
have
two
speakers
on
the
item.
One
of
them
is
mr
miller
tony
miller,
and
then
second
speaker
is
chris.
A
I
I
the
sdus
have
been
built
by
small
landlords
at
the
planning
committee
last
week
I
spoke
about
the
impacts,
should
staffs
report
as
written
today
be
approved
by
city
council
on
june
7th.
A
couple
of
examples
are
the
city
will
see
a
significant
decrease
in
the
construction
of
sdus,
leading
to
fewer
long-term
rental
units
in
the
ottawa's
rental
market,
fewer
rental,
housing
choices
for
renters,
including
for
families
and
students.
I
I
also
talked
about
the
need
for
additional
consultations
between
staff
and
key
stakeholders,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
planning
committee
for
allowing
additional
consultations
with
staff
and
also
thank
you
to
staff
for
coordinating
these
meetings
that
are
coming
up
this
week.
Thankful
for
that
too,
as
I
also
talked
about
the
requirement
to
push
the
implementation
date
of
the
amended
bylaw
until
january,
1st
2022.
I
Implementing
measures,
size
and
number
of
bedrooms
and
sdus
appears
to
be
counter
to
the
provincial
policy
that
we
obtained
this
past
weekend
and
that
encourages
the
creation
of
sdus
in
2017,
the
ontario
ministry
of
municipal
affairs
produced
a
document
explaining
secondary
dwelling
units
which
states-
and
I
quote,
the
size
of
second
units
and
the
number
of
bedrooms
should
solely
be
regulated
by
the
building
code.
The
building
code
establishes
health
and
safety
standards
for
second
units,
as
such,
municipal
bylaws
should
not
seek
to
impose
size
or
other
standards
that
are
regulated
by
the
building
code.
A
E
I
E
B
E
1600,
800
and
1600
is
that
what
you
said
correct?
Okay
and
yes,
I
know
there
is
a
meeting
scheduled
for
this
wednesday
afternoon
with
city
staff
and
some
representatives,
including
yourself
of
builders
of
sdus,
to
do
some
follow-up
from
last
week's
planning.
So,
thanks
for
your
presentation
today
welcome.
A
Any
other
question
for
mr
miller
sinan.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
miller,
for
making
the
time-
and
I
I
heard
you
on
the
planned
committee
as
well
so
so
this
item
came
to
both
committee
to
planning
and
agricultural
affairs
committee.
So
our
next
speaker,
chris
chris,
happened
chris.
Oh
it's
good
habits.
Oh
sorry,
we
missed
the
good
out
of
your
name
chris.
O
All
right,
thank
you
very
much
kare.
My
name
is
chris
habitz,
I'm
an
hvac
engineer,
energy
auditor
and
I'm
also
a
small
landlord.
I
have
one
duplex
in
beignet,
and
I
just
want
to
comment
on
this
proposed
change
specifically
to
the
sdu
size
limit
in
section
133
to
two
bedrooms
and
a
square
meter
size
limit,
depending
on
the
property,
location
and
size
of
the
unit.
I
don't
believe
that
there
is
sufficient
reasoning
to
make
this
change
as
I'm
looking
at
it.
O
B
A
I
see
none.
Thank
you
very
much,
sir,
for
coming
today
and,
as
we
heard
from
the
council
of
dawa,
obviously
there's
discussion
still
happening
on
this
on
this
item.
I
believe
we
had
a
motion
last
week
on
from
on
the
planet
committee
was
mr
desjardins
was
the
demotion
from
council
riley
and
councillor
meehan.
B
A
E
Council,
governor
sharon,
on
this
specific
item,
the
sdus-
it
was
a
direction
to
staff
to
facilitate
a
meeting
to
better
understand,
well
to
consult
with
the
sdu
owners
and
better
understand
the
issues.
I
think
committee
committee
was
interested
in
the
points
they
raised
but
concerned
about
some
unintended
consequences
if
we
started
to
make
changes
on
the
fly
so
before
this
comes
to
council
on
july
7th
we
committed
to
meeting
and
trying
to
come
up
with
the
right
way
forward,
and
then
there
was
another
motion
from
I
forget.
E
It
was
counselor
leaper,
counselor
brockington
on
behalf
of
councillor
meehan,
oh
no.
It
meant
which
was
then
superseded
by
a
deferral
motion
from
councillor
moffat
on
the
jack
river
floodplain.
But
procedurally,
this
is
getting
very
complicated.
In
any
case,
the
jock
river
piece
of
this,
the
floodplain
mapping,
has
been
deferred
to
a
future
date.
Okay,.
A
So
I
think
it's
very
important
to
us
to
be
notified
of
any
any
outcome
with
with
the
meetings
happening,
because
I
think
councillor
moffett
and
I
in
the
last
term
we
work
very
hard
on
a
coach
house
and
I
want
to
make
sure
you
know
we
don't
have
a
change
of
policy
on
a
fly,
whether
for
coach
houses
or
for
secondary
homes.
So
I
I
I'm
looking
for
an
opportunity
to
continue
working
with
you,
council
gower
before
and
as
all
of
us.
A
E
Well,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
staff
if
they
can
clarify
the
number
that
they
have
in
terms
of
the
number
of
sdus
that
have
been
built.
We
heard
800
units,
I
believe
from
the
delegation,
so
the
staff
have
a
number
about
sdus.
I'd
also
be
interested
if
you
have
a
breakdown
between
rural
and
urban,
since
we're
looking
specifically
at
the
rural
affairs
side
of
this.
N
E
N
E
A
K
Sure
so
we've
got
secondary
mole
units
just
to
come
to
to
to
clarify
just
to
get
it
all
straight.
Secondary
yelling
units
are,
you
know,
you
know
within
the
the
principal
dwelling
and
coach
houses
are
in
a
building,
that's
accessory
and
separated
from
the
principal
dwelling
and
in
leading
up
into
the
creation
of
the
new
zoning
bylaw
in
2008.
K
There
was
work
done
on
secondary
dwelling
units
to
create
rules
for
the
the
same
set
of
rules
for
the
amalgamated
city
and
those
came
into
effect
and
were
brought
into
the
new
zoning
viola.
So
all
the
same
rules
apply
for
secondary
enrolling
units
and
then
around
in
2017
there
was
an
opa,
I
believe,
robert
just
in
terms
of
the
dates
on
the
timelines
when
we
started
to
implement
the
new
permissions
for
coach
houses
that
they
came
into
the
planning
act,
and
I
understand
that
uptake
has
been
rather
slow
with
these.
K
I
think
it
has
to
do,
and
robert
can
comment
on
this
as
well,
but
it
does
have
to
do
with
costs
and
in
the
case
of
the
rural
area
there
there
are
constraints,
because
I
think
my
understanding
is
servicing,
but
servicing
being
a
cost
and
actually,
in
both
cases
and
robert,
if
you'd
like
to
provide
more
details
on
that.
Please
go
ahead
in.
N
Terms
of
mr
chair,
I
think
I
think
that's
pretty
much
correct.
The
the
uptake
on
coach
houses
has
certainly
been
limited
overall.
I
I
would
say
that
that
the
servicing
considerations
would
be.
I
would
say,
factor
number
one
in
in
why
we've
seen
a
much
more
limited
uptake,
I
don't
have
the
numbers
specifically
on
number
of
coach
houses
in
the
rural
area
that
have
happened.
I
would
not
be
surprised
if
it's
something
that
I
could
count
on
my
two
hands.
B
Yes,
mr
chair,
I
just
I
just
thought
I
would
add
in
terms
of
because
we
had
a
recent
inquiry
on
this
since
2017,
we
have
had
52
coach
houses,
either
approved
or
currently
under
review.
And
again
I
don't
know
the
breakdown
in
terms
of
urban
and
rural.
I
think
most
of
those
are
urban,
so
we're,
I
think,
robert's
idea
of
counting
them
on
on
two
hands
is
probably
about
right
for
rural.
C
It
can
be
closer
to
the
river
than
the
primary
residence
in
a
rural
area
on
a
river.
Are
we
seeing
more
applications
like
that,
because
I
think
they
become
quite
problematic,
given
that
people
want
their
river
views,
the
neighbors
in
these
areas
are
having
a
bit
of
a
problem.
So
I'm
wondering,
if
we're
seeing
more
examples
of
this
happening.
N
Mr
chair,
I'm
not
aware
of
hand
of
any
such
examples.
I
I
would
advise
off
the
top
my
head
that
a
coach
house,
just
like
any
other
building
or
structure,
is
subject
to
setback
requirements
from
rivers
or
any
other
water
body.
I'd
also
remind
the
committee
that
I
think,
what's
in
scope.
Right
now
is
a
rewrite
of
the
secondary
dwelling
unit
rules
and,
in
zoning
terms,
the
secondary
dwelling
unit
is
different
from
a
coach
house.
It's
a
unit,
that's
within
a
principal
building.
N
G
G
I
think
to
be
fair,
I
think
the
uptake
of
them
is
kind
of
what
we
expected.
I
don't
think
we
expected
to
see
these
in
every
on
every
street
in
the
road.
I
think
we
all
we
didn't
expect
it
to
be
a
significant
increase,
so
I
think
52
city-wide
might
actually
be
a
higher
number
than
I
would
have
anticipated
to
be
fair.
A
Any
other
question
to
our
staff
and
carol
robert
don
see
none
so
on
the
item.
Obviously
we
have
to
that
planning
committee
and
agriculture
and
rural
affairs.
Community
committee
council
approve
an
amendment
to
zone
and
by
law
2008-250
relating
to
a
various
section
of
the
by-law,
as
detailed
in
document.
One
that
plan
canadian
agriculture
and
rural
affairs
committee
approved
the
consultation
details
section
of
this
report
to
be
included
as
a
part
of
brief
explanation.
So
can
we
carry
this
icon.
A
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Everyone
and,
I
believe,
that's
our
final
item
is
that
correct,
mr
desjardins,
that's
correct
here,
so
we
have
no
open
mic
speakers.
We
have
no
item
in
camera,
any
inquiries
we
didn't
mount
to
date.
We
didn't
hear
any
so
before
we
adjourn
so
on
thursday.
Our
next
meeting
is
thursday
september,
2nd
2021
and
within
a
couple
of
days,
our
canada
day.
So
I'd
like
to
wish
all
of
you
and
your
family
happy
canada
day
safe
summer
and
we'll
see
you
back
on
july
7..