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Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee - September 2, 2021 -Audio Stream
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C
For
the
item
just
mentioned,
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendment
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
ontario
land
tribunal.
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appear
that
the
matter
to
the
ontario
land
tribunal,
if
councilor,
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
90
days
of
the
recipient
of
the
application
for
zoning
and
120
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment
to
submit
written
comment
on
these
amendments
prior
to
their
consideration
by
city
council
on
september,
8th,
please
email
or
call
the
committee
or
council
coordinator.
C
C
We
have
planning
and
infrastructure
economic
development
plan
service
item
number.
One
is
a
zoning
by-law
amendment
for
52-54
bank
street
and
we
do
have
a
motion
from
councillor
deruse
on
this
item
and
if
councillor
guru's
successful,
introduces
his
motion
and
we
vote
on
it,
then
there
will
be
no
need
to
have
a
presentation
on
this
item
from
both
city
staff
or
the
applicant.
E
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
report
recommendation
number
one
be
amended
as
follow
that
the
agriculture
and
rural
affair
committee
recommend
council
approve
an
amendment
to
zoning
by
law
2008-250
for
5254
bank
street
for
the
purposes
of
rezoning,
the
land
from
rural
countryside,
subzone
2,
which
is
ru-2
to
rural
general
industrial
sub-zone,
3
exception
xx,
g3
with
provision.
As
per
the
revised
detail
of
recommended
zoning
bylaw
as
table
below.
C
Thank
you
thank
you
councillor,
and
so
obviously
this
is
the
item
on
the
front
of
us
and
I
did
speak
with
staff
and
I
understand
their
position
as
a
staff.
They
cannot
recommend
the
approval
of
this
item
but
as
as
what
we
heard
from
council,
gurus
and
and
known
the
size
of
the
lot
and
the
challenges
we
have
to
and
the
location
of
that
property,
I
will
be
supporting
council
deruss's
motion.
So
if
there's
any
question,
we
have
mr
brown
on
the
call
with
us
from
college.
F
C
B
B
C
B
C
B
C
F
Staff
have
identified
a
risk
if
we
were
to
approve
this
around
concerns
with
wastewater
treatment
around
the
septic
issues
around
drinking
water.
I'm
trying
to
understand,
I
guess
the
level
of
risk.
Is
this
a
a
risk
that
you
know
just
policy
won't
allow
it
it's
a
significant
risk,
I'm
worried
about
the
implications.
Should
we
approve
this?
B
No,
of
course
it's
a
very
good
question.
Thank
you.
So
staff
are
required
to
review
the
zoning
viola
amendment
application
with
respect
to
provincial
guidelines
d54,
which
require
that
if
we
are
going
to
rezone
a
site
for
industrial
purposes,
the
site
must
be
capable
of
treating
its
own
septic
waste
based
on
a
conventional
system.
B
The
applicant
has
indicated
that
some
level
of
industrial
development
may
be
possible
on
the
site
with
more
advanced
or
tertiary
systems,
and
that's
a
level
of
that's
a
level
of
treatment
that
we
are
allowed
to
consider
at
a
site
plan
application
stage.
However,
at
zoning
bylaw
amendment
stage,
that
is
not
the
level
that
we
are
allowed
to
contemplate.
We
cannot
rezone
and
then
require
the
new
or
the
landowner
to
use
a
more
advanced
form
of
treatment,
they're
required
to
use
the
most.
F
Okay,
so
yes,
so
this
isn't
the
final
round
of
approval
or
evaluation
of
potential
environmental
issues
that
would
also
come
through
site
plan.
So
this
is,
am
I
understanding
it
right
then,
and
maybe
counselor
drews
wants
to
jump
in.
This
is
about
kind
of
a
sequence
of
approvals
and
our
usual
policy
and
and
and
sequence
of
approvals
around
zoning
and
site
plan
is
the
roadblock
here
that
this
applicant
is
seeking
help
from
committee
and
council
to
overcome.
C
G
Sure
can
everyone
hear
me?
Okay,
yes,
yes,
good
morning,
everyone
thank
you
for
giving
me
this
time.
My
name
is
jonah
bond.
I
am
a
member
of
the
canadian
institute
of
planners
and
a
registered
professional
planner.
I'm
working
on
this
file
with
bill
holzman,
just
to
clarify
just
to
go
back
to
counselor
to
roose's
earlier
motion.
He
did
mention
that
all
land
uses
would
be
prohibited,
except
for
a
parking
lot
and
storage
yard.
G
But
I
would
note
that
there
were
a
series
of
other
uses
which
we
also
wanted
to
added,
add
to
that
holding
for
rezoning,
and
I
don't
necessarily
need
to
get
into
those
now,
but
there
were
certain
ones
like
a
light.
Industrial
use,
a
warehouse,
a
service
and
repair
shop,
so
those
are
in
my
powerpoint
and
I
could,
if
you
want
skip
to
those
quickly
but
we'll
leave
that
aside
for
now.
C
But
no,
that's
that's
good
enough,
mr
bond,
so
so
I
thought
at
my
college
I
thought
you're
one
of
our
staff
on
the
file,
so
I
didn't
know
who
you
were,
but
that's
a
big
problem.
So
we'll
come
back
to
you
if
we
need
to,
but
thank
you
councillor
gower.
I,
if
you
like
to
hear
from
council,
the
ruse
is
fine,
but
we
did
speak
to
to
mr
brown
and
and
staff
before
and
and
you're
right.
This
is
a
round
one
of
this
application.
C
But
if
you
read
the
whole
report,
there's
nothing
else
really.
I
understand
staff
is
positioned,
they
cannot
recommend
it
or,
but
at
the
same
time
there
is
still
going
to
be
a
process
in
in
the
future
for
this
site
before
any
development
with
the
site
plan
approval
right.
But
mr
brown,
do
you
care
to
add
some
more
to
what
we
hear
or.
E
Mr
chair,
I
also
want
to
add
to
council
gowers
that
they
do
have
a
city,
water,
council
governor.
It
goes
in
front
of
the
property,
so
the
issues
is
around
the
conventional
septic
and
the
d54
doesn't
in
our
processes.
It's
really
handcuff
us
and
how
we
can
move
forward.
Our
staff
cannot
go
against
the
policy
that
we
have,
but
they
there
is
technology
and
there
is
more
way
of
when
the
site
when
the
applicant
will
apply
in
the
site
plan
control.
We
can
capture
all
these
over
there.
E
So
there's
no
just
to
answer
your
question.
It
is
one
of
those.
No
one
want
to
live
on
that
stretch
of
that
bank
street
and
it's
surrounded
by
aggregate,
but
it's
surrounded
by
commercial
and
it's
the
whole
dynamic
of
banks
has
been
changing,
and
this
is
why
this
application
came
came
came
across
just
to
clarify
for
the
record.
Thank
you.
F
Or
I
guess
I
mean
I
want
to
hear
it
again
from
staff,
because
in
the
report
there
are
significant
concerns
raised
potential
risk
around
septic
servicing
around
groundwater
issues.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
hearing
again
clearly
that
if
we
were
to
go
against
the
staff
recommendation,
which
is
to
not
approve
that
we
have
every
mechanism
or
every
ability,
through
the
site
plan
process
to
properly
evaluate
and
ensure
that
these
issues
can
be
addressed
and
mitigated
through
that
site
plan
process.
F
Well,
I
think
I
think
my
understanding
is
you're
recommending
no
rezoning,
because
usually
we
we
require
the
the
servicing
in
place
first
to
simplify
it
a
little
bit
here
that
servicing's
not
in
place
so
staff
can't
recommend
a
rezoning.
The
concern
around
not
having
servicing
is
in
the
future.
There
might
be
issues
with
groundwater
contamination
due
to
a
lack
of
a
adequate
septic
tank.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
confident
that,
through
site
plan.
F
For
example,
to
make
sure
that
it's
adequate
for
the
future
intended
use
and
that
you
know
we
aren't
going
to
be
at
any
risk
of
of
negative
impact
to
surrounding
properties
as
a
result
of
future
development
that
site
plan.
I
guess
what
I'm
asking
is:
give
me
confidence
that
site
plan
will
satisfy
any
of
the
potential
risks
there
and
if
risks
are
identified,
that
this
would
not
proceed
if
site
plan
process
identifies
significant
risks
to
the
surrounding
properties.
B
So
in
this
case
the
review
would
suggest,
based
on
the
provincial
guidelines,
that
the
use
is
not
appropriate.
That
being
said
at
a
site
plan
level,
the
extent
of
development
would
be
would
be
limited
by
that
site.
Plan
control
application
to
something
that
could
be
safely
could
be
safely
treated
with
advanced
or
tertiary
treatment
options.
F
H
Thanks,
I
was
really
just
going
to
indicate
what
mr
brown
had
just
had
just
indicated,
because
in
that
holding
provision,
it's
also
a
phase
2
esa,
a
stormwater
management,
reporter
transformation,
impact
assessment
and
aggregate
resource
impact
assessment.
I
mean
this
is
a.
This
is
a
residential
property
in
between
a
rural,
general
industrial
and
a
mineral
extraction
zone,
two
very
large
zones
that
that
are
on
either
side
of
this.
If
this,
if
this
proposal
in
front
of
us
was
a
real
commercial
to
a
residential
use,
we
wouldn't
even
entertain
it.
H
H
H
Given
the
information
that
we
have
in
front
of
us,
so
you
know,
I
think
I
support
that.
I
mean.
Obviously
I
support
the
decision,
the
the
motion
put
forward
by
george
george
drewes
in
this
case,
because
I
think
it
makes
sense
in
the
in
the
context
of
the
area
and
the
neighboring
properties,
and
certainly
with
the
holding
provisions
that
are
included
in
this
file.
E
C
C
B
G
Hi
just
one
point
of
clarification,
so
I
I
didn't
catch
councillor
jerusale's
motion
in
complete
detail,
but
I
saw
that
all
land
uses
would
be
prohibited,
except
for
parking
lot
and
storage
yard.
That
was
something
we
did
suggest
and
we're
content
with
that.
But
there
were
one
two,
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven
or
eight
other
uses,
which
we
also
wanted
folded
in
to
that
holding
zone,
so
all
of
the
uses
would
be
under
a
holding.
G
I
think
what
counselor
deroze
had
proposed
was
parking
lot
and
storage
yard,
and
that
was
a
direct
extraction
from
what
was
in
the
document
two
to
the
report
to
a
rack.
But
there
were
a
couple
of
other
uses.
I
could,
if
you
don't
mind,
name
them
quickly.
They
would
also
fall
under
the
umbrella
of
the
holding
and
they
are
as
follows.
G
If
you
would
be
so
kind
to
permit
me
automobile
dealership,
automobile
service
station,
heavy
equipment
and
vehicle
sales,
light
industrial
uses,
a
printing
plant,
a
retail
store
with
limitations,
as
per
the
rural
general
industrial
limited
to
the
sale
of
agricultural,
construction,
gardening
or
landscape
products,
a
service
and
repair
shop
and
a
warehouse.
All
these
would
sort
of
fold
into
the
same
holding
which
would
require
you
know
that
various
technical
matters
be
addressed,
so
it
was
more
than
just
the
parking
lot
and
storage
yard
to
be
to
be
clear,
if
you
could
kindly
consider
that.
C
A
F
A
F
C
G
I
G
I
can
attempt
to
answer
that
it
would
be
entirely
constrained
by
technical
matters
and
namely
tertiary
system,
and
really
it's
not
so
much
the
size
of
the
building,
but
the
number
of
water
closets
in
the
building.
Our
conceptual
tertiary
septic
system
analysis
allowed
for
a
maximum
of
200
square
meters,
so
a
fairly
modest
sized
building.
But
if
it
turns
out
it
has
to
be
180,
it
has
to
be
180,
but
that's
a
matter
for
a
future
date
at
site
plan
stage.
C
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
and
so
the
that
council
derozan's
motion
carry
now.
I'm
the
I
I
guess
once
we
carry
that
that
council
deroses
motion
will
move
forward
and
if
there's
any
discussion
between
now
and
council,
mr
brown,
you
can
let
the
committee
remember
no
and
we
can
amend
if
it's
need
to
be
amended
from
now
till
then.
C
Thank
you,
mr
desjardins.
Now
we
go
to
item
number
three
cranberry
creek
municipal
drain
appointment
of
engineer
and
this
item
just
to
reappoint
an
engineer
on
this
file,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
miss,
if
miss
moore
or
mr
ryan
wants
to
just
put
it
in
a
little
bit
of
contact
because
we
do
have
the
top
one.
Has
it
and
just
signed
up
to
speak
on
this
item,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
speakers
stay
within.
C
A
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
may
just
just
turn
my
video
off
for
connectivity
issues,
but
I
can
speak
to
that.
So
a
few
years
back,
council
appointed
drainage
engineer
to
update
the
report
under
section
78.
It's
an
improvement
to
the
drainage
works.
The
cranberry
creek
drain's
been
there
for
over
100
years.
A
It's
just
in
the
north
gore
area.
It
was
to
reinstate
a
dyke
and
pump
into
the
system.
It
ended
up
being
challenged
at
the
tribunal
and
the
tribunal
set
aside.
The
engineers
report
for
different
reasons,
but
one
of
the
recommendations
by
the
tribunal
was
to
update
the
assessment
schedules.
So
these
are
communal
systems.
We
we
assess
the
cost
back
to
the
benefiting
landowners
and
the
one
of
the
recommendations
was
to
have
those
assessment
schedules
updated.
A
So
when
we
do
maintenance,
which
we
are
required
to
do
legally,
that
we
can
assess
these
costs
back
to
the
appropriate
landowners.
That's
this
is
basically
a
paperwork
exercise
update
the
schedules
they're
about
90
complete,
I
would
say,
because
the
engineer
did
them
as
part
of
the
previous
report,
so
they
just
need
to
be
updated
and
basically
identify
any
changes
that
happen
in
the
last
couple
of
years
with
respect
to
to
property
ownership.
So
that's
we
also
had
an
external
legal
counsel
provide
the
same,
a
similar
opinion
as
well.
C
A
That's
correct
mr
chair
yeah,
mr
robinson,
has
been
involved
in
this
dream
for
a
number
of
years
and
you're
right
he's
through
the
through
the
previous
process,
which
was
just
a
few
years
ago.
The
the
schedules
were
updated.
So
again,
it's
for
him
to
continue,
makes
the
most
sense
to
go
back
and
have
another
engineer
that
isn't
familiar
with
the
with
the
drain
or
with
the
area,
with
the
watershed,
with
the
properties
and
so
on
and
recreate
these.
J
Hello,
I'm
gonna,
do
it
without
video
just
to
make
sure
that
it's
not
an
issue.
So
I
was
one
of
the
people
that
went
all
the
way
to
the
drainage
tribunal
and
spoke
at
the
drainage
tribunal.
One
of
so
just
to
give
a
quick.
I'm
us.
I
have
my
project
management,
professional
certification,
so
I
quite
understand
the
way
projects,
work
and
stuff
like
that.
So
my
concern
is
in
regards
to
the
engineering
report.
J
The
the
formulas
that
were
used
became
quite
apparent
during
the
last
day
that
I
was
there
when
they
were
asking
the
engineer
in
regards
to
why
there
were
certain
ways
he
did
things
and
the
gentleman
that
was
on
the
panel
seemed
to
have
a
lot
more
knowledge
in
regards
to
the
new
formulas
how
things
were
done
now?
Well,
mr
robinson
said
he
did
have
taken
some
courses
and
stuff
like
that.
It
appeared
to
me
that
he
was
not
using
the
latest
and
greatest.
J
The
formulas
were
very
flawed
from
what
I
could
understand
and
because
I
sit
within
the
group
of
people
that
had
sent
it
to
originally
to
you
know
through
the
process.
This
affects
me
greatly.
So
my
concern
is
that
we're
taking
something
that
the
drainage
tribunal
has
said.
Okay,
there's
a
problem
here.
J
I
understand
the
concept
of
you
know
it's
easier
for
mr
robinson,
because
he
does
have
a
great
deal
of
experience,
but
my
concern
is
when
someone
has
been
doing
something
for
a
very
long
time.
They
come
become
complacent
and
they
don't
stop
and
think
about.
Okay.
How
can
we
do
this
in
another
way?
There
was
no
options
given
there
was
one
specific
option.
When
I
looked
at
this
when
I,
when
I
got
all
this
information,
what
I
realized
was
we
just
took
what
was
there
in
the
past?
J
J
I
don't
know
if
there
was,
you
know,
do
you
have
as
a
contractor
in
the
government?
Is
there
a
standing
like?
Is
there
a
statement
of
work?
Is
there
what
the
expectations
are?
Is
there
a
benefits,
analysis
and
the
benefits
that
I
saw
were
strictly
to
the
farmers
which
I
get
like
that's
their
livelihood?
J
So
this
is
where
I
sit
today,
and
this
is
why
I've
asked
to
speak
today,
because
I
don't
feel
that
taking
what
was
given
and
just
changing
the
dollar
value
is
going
to
you're
still
going
to
have
the
same
problems.
All
of
the
things
that
you
know
the
group
of
us
went
other
than
the
pump
dike,
that's
a
that's
gone,
but
the
rest
of
it.
It's
important
to
take
into
account
what
the
tribunal
has
said.
J
So
that's
why
I'm
speaking
today,
because
it
greatly
affects-
and
because
I
was
not
part
of
the
original
process,
I
kind
of
have
to
go
on
what
you
know,
the
people
that
deal
with
him
on
a
regular
basis.
No,
the
fact
that
he
has
40
years
experience.
That's
great!
You
have
an
experienced
drainage
person,
but
does
that
mean
that
he's
just
going
to
because
he's
comfortable
with
it
or
because
he
thinks
he
knows
it?
Is
he
going
to
step
back
and
say?
J
So
originally
mine
was
fifteen
thousand
dollars,
which
is
a
lot
of
money,
so
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
what
he
does
also
takes
into
account
the
best
way
to
do
it
and
to
make
sure
he
looks
at
what
they're
doing
today
and
taking
that
into
account
yep.
That's
it.
Thank
you
very
much
for
letting
me
speak.
I
really
appreciate
it.
C
K
K
In
fact,
that
was
stipulated
by
the
decision
of
the
tribunal
that
one
be
done,
but
it
was
to
focus
on
maintenance
and
not
just
include
assessments,
so
I
think
that
characterization
was
wrong
and,
in
addition,
we
would
like
to
see
more
content
other
than
just
assessment
tables
coming
forth
in
the
engineer
report,
for
several
reasons,
so
we're
not
opposed
to
the
appointment
of
the
engineer
to
prepare
report.
We
are,
however,
concerned
that
the
intention
is
to
appoint
the
same
engineer,
to
conduct
the
new
study.
A
K
K
C
K
C
C
A
Just
a
couple
of
comments,
mr
chair
yeah,
thank
you.
We
we
are
following
the
city's
procurement
policy
on
this
there's.
A
standing
offer,
mr
robinson,
is
on
that
standing
offer
the
the
report,
the
decision
of
the
tribunal
and
the
engineers
report
was
reviewed
by
external
experts
and
both
engineers,
the
peo,
the
professional
engineers
of
ontario
land
drainage
committee,
reviewed
the
report,
as
did
a
external
legal
council
and
found
no
issues
with
the
methodology
that
was
used.
A
A
I
I
Is
there
more
that
you
could
provide
in
your
reports
the
statement
of
work?
Is
there
something
that
you
could
amend
or
perhaps
add
that
would
address
some
of
the
concerns
of
people
who
who
went
to
the
drainage
tribunal?
That
could
actually
help
them
understand
that
your
work
process
and
your
understanding
of
this
issue.
L
Well,
section
76
of
drainage
act
which
this
appointment
is
under
is
really
just
for
doing
a
an
updated
assessment
schedule.
You
use
that
word
purposely
because
it's
and
it's
only
and
all
it
does
is
there's
no.
The
only
work
that
can
be
undertaken
is
is
basically
maintenance
of
the
existing
drain,
as
it
was
originally
constructed.
So
there's
no,
it's
it's
not
a
matter
of
doing
more
or
different
work
than
was
originally
constructed.
The
whole
idea
is
to
update
the
assessment
schedules
with
new
ownership
and
and
updated
information.
L
So
it's
it's
not
a
very
it's.
It's
a
pretty
straightforward
process.
The
method
we
use,
as
mr
ryan
has
pointed
out,
is,
is
spelled
out
in
in
the
report
I
mean
I
appreciate
the
comments
by
the
two
presenters
is
that
it
I
mean
it's
a
very.
The
cranberry
creek
report
was
a
very
comprehensive
report
and
there
were
a
number
of
items.
The
unfortunate
part
is
that
likely
with
an
extra
day's
work
or
maybe
two
days
work.
L
We
could
have
updated
the
original
report
not
talking
about
the
daikin
and
pump,
which
were
more
controversial,
to
have
essentially
been
there
and
and
been
something
that
could
have
been
implemented
using
that
so
that
I
there's
there's
not
a
lot.
I
think
we
provide
and
have
had
discussions
with
with
mr
ryan
and
his
staff
regarding
what
needs
to
be
done
and
that's
what
we
presented
at
a
fairly
minimal
cost,
and
it
doesn't
the
idea
of
cost
estimates
really
for
maintenance,
don't
come
into
play.
L
L
In
order
to
is
to
spread
the
assessments
over
the
actual
maintenance
which
would
be
done
by
the
municipality
it'll
cost.
You
know
what
it
costs,
we're,
not
it's
a
little
different
in
doing
this
than
doing
a
new
engineers
report
where,
where
we're
dealing
with
updated
new
costs,
so
I
don't
think
there's
an
awful
lot
more
that
that
can
be
added.
But
you
know
we
can
provide
mr
ryan
with
a
little
more
detail.
It's
we.
We
provided
our
cost
estimate
on
this
and
a
brief
proposal
several
months
ago.
L
L
The
primarily
new
information
to
be
obtained
is
is
updated,
property
ownership
within
the
watershed,
because
the
other
information
is
is
available
from
the
original
report
and
from
we
you
know,
working
with
the
drainage
tribunal.
This
was,
I
think,
a
12-day
tribunal
so
that
we
did
update
issues
as
as
they
came
up,
some
of
which
were
small
adjustments
to
properties,
some
of
which
were
a
little
more
significant.
So
there
really
isn't
too
much
more
to
obtain
other
than
updating
the
property
ownership.
I
C
I
L
Likely
has
has
been
away
from
doing
reports
directly
himself
for
a
while,
but
I
think
likely
has
a
different
perspective
and
and
if
you
were
to
interview
all
of
the
drainage
engineers
in
ontario,
you
would
find
that
that
there
are
different
perspectives,
because
it's
not
a
cut
and
dried
process
so
that,
but
I
can
assure
you
that
we
review
information.
We
are
using
up
to
date.
There's
information
we've,
you
know,
there's
a
new
document
was
issued.
Quite
frankly
after
we
had
completed
the
the
report
which
we
review
in
in
using
this.
L
C
L
Yes,
well
certainly,
the
intent
would
be
to
use
the
most
current
information
that
as
far
as
the
watershed
area-
and
there
are
some
changes
to
the
to
the
original
one-
which
primarily
it's
because
we
have
a
lot
more
accurate
mapping
now.
But
one
of
the
areas
that
I
was
contentious
in
the
hearing
was
with
respect
to
who
got
assessed
for
the
pump
station
and
and
the
dyke,
so
that
you
know
in
looking
at
at
the
drain
itself.
H
All
right-
and
then
I
mean
the
intent-
would
be
that
we
would
then
go
out
and
do
maintenance
on
the
drain.
Now
the
drain
itself
is
not
in
compliance
with
the
engineers
report
as
it
stands
today,
so
the
tribunal
decision
spoke
to
the
revision
of
deleting
the
pump
station
and
dike,
but
of
course,
the
engineers
report
that
we
have
to
adhere
to
includes
a
pump
station
and
dike.
So
this
is
just
a
section
76
report.
H
What's
the
the
go
forward,
I
mean
we
have.
We
have
a
number
of
individuals
on
this
missile
drain
in
this
watershed
that
believe
that
there
will
be
no
pump
station
and
dike.
We
obviously
have
another
group
that
would
prefer
to
have
a
reinstatement,
not
exactly
of
the
initial
one,
but
of
an
updated
one
to
accommodate
the
current
volumes
of
water,
not
necessarily
1969
volumes
of
water.
A
A
One
option
is
reinstating
the
60
knot,
the
dyke
and
the
pump
as
per
the
69
report.
Another
one
would
be
potential
temporary
bike
structures,
perhaps
with
pumps,
so
there's
there's
various
options,
but
the
fact
that
the
dyke
and
the
pump
is
not
part
of
the
drainage.
The
engineered
drainage
system
which
it
was
is,
is
very
challenging
again
because
you
need
a
you
need
an
outlet
for
this
water.
A
H
Okay
thanks,
I
just
obviously
this
is
to
me-
was
seven
years
ago
that
we
appointed
the
engineer
after
the
complaint
from
residents
in
the
spring
of
2013..
Obviously,
we've
gone
through
a
lot
counselor
centeri
and
cancer.
Derusse
are
well
aware
of
what
we've
gone
through
with
the
committee
of
adjustment
or
the
committee
of
the
court
of
revision.
Sorry,
of
course,
that
quarter
of
vision
decision
is
is
moot
now
with
the
setting
aside
of
the
of
the
engineers
report
by
the
tribunal.
H
But
you
know
this
is
a
logical
next
step.
We
have
to
appoint
the
engineer
according
to
the
tribunal,
to
point
another
engineer
to
or
an
engineer
in
general
to
go
this
next
step.
I
just
hope
that
we
can
find
some
resolution
to
this
for
the
long
term.
I
mean
it's.
This
was
an
issue
since
1991
no
one
took
care
of
it
back
then
it
sat
aside
because
thankfully
we
had
some
dry
conditions
in
north
korea
for
20
some
odd
years.
H
The
same
cannot
be
said
for
the
last
eight
years,
so
this
is
going
to
be
an
issue
into
the
future
and
hopefully
might
get
resolved
after
I'm
gone,
but
I
hope
that
there's
some
resolution
that
can
can
satisfy
you
know
it's
not
just
the
greater
one
but
the
individual.
I
mean
lisa
larwell's
here
she's
right
within
that
main
initial
watershed
that
required
drainage
in
the
first
place.
H
B
J
A
For
you,
mr
chair,
so
again
this
this
is
strictly
updating
the
assessment
schedules
and
I
think,
as
mr
robinson
has
explained,
he
is
using
the
most
current
and
up-to-date
methodologies.
They've
been
a
pr
accepted
their
industry
standards.
There's
guidelines
he's
followed
those
there
was
a
bit
of
a.
I
guess.
The
engineer
on
the
tribunal
didn't
see
it
that
way.
But
again,
as
to
mr
robinson's
earlier
point,
he's
been
out
of
the
business
for
quite
quite
a
long
time
himself.
A
So
this
again,
this
is
strictly
a
paperwork
exercise
to
update
the
engineers,
the
assessment
schedules
which
are
90
complete.
It's
just
a
matter
of
updating
how
they've
changed
from
2017
until
now.
So
it's
it's
it's
it's
that's!
That's
all.
It
is
we're
not
doing
anything
else,
but
that,
and
mr
robinson
has
the
history,
the
experience
and
and
he's
the
only
in
my
mind,
it's
the
logical
choice
to
appoint
him
from
a
cost
perspective
as
well.
A
Through
you,
mr
chair,
no
there's
not
so
that
pertained
to
the
dyke
and
pump
installation
the
reinstatement
of
the
dyke
and
pump
and
that
that
that
project,
so
it
that
cost
benefit
discussion.
Analysis
discussion
pertains
strictly
to
that.
To
that
that
process,
which
was
to
re,
reinstate
the
dyke
in
the
pump
no.
A
For
for
maintenance?
No,
but
that's
not
it's
not
a
requirement
of
the
drainage
act.
It's
not
something
we
do.
We
are
legally
obligated
to
maintain
the
drainage
works
to
the
council,
approved
design
and
whatever's
in
the
bylaws.
So
once
it's
passed
by
council,
there's
a
bylaw
that
goes
with
that,
because
legal
status
under
the
provincial
drainage
act,
we
are
obligated
as
a
municipality,
as
are
other
municipalities
in
ontario,
to
maintain
that
drainage
works
to
the
approved
engineers
report
and
bylaw
for
the
drain.
So
there's
a
there's
an
engineered
design.
A
C
Mr
ryan,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
you
because
few
years
ago
you
took
me
on
a
tour
for
that
cranberry
creek,
you
know
catchment
area
and
have
to
tell
you
is,
maybe
we
should
teach
it
at
at
the
college.
You
know
about
the
cranberry
creek,
because
it's
really
a
lot
of
people
misunderstood
the
value
of
that
drainage
and
the
benefit
from
it
to
a
larger
area
and
not
almost
the
catchment.
It
is
larger
than
the
catchment
here
it
saw
and
I'm
always
I'm
always
interested
to
see.
C
You
know
we're
going
back
to
the
1969
model,
which
is
the
pump
and
the
dyke
was
installed
at
that
time
to
help.
But
when
I
was
with
you,
the
rider
river
was
almost
just
as
high
the
water
in
it
than
the
dike
itself.
So
I'm
not
sure,
even
if
we
have
a
pump,
where
would
you
pump
the
water
to
so
anyway?
But
what's
on
the
front
for
us
today
is
to
reappoint
the
engineer
on
it.
So
I
read
what
in
front
of
us
so
we'll
go
to
18
a's
on
it.
J
C
H
Oh
there,
it
is,
I
wrote
it
this
morning,
so
you
think
I
would
know
so
it's
just
a
motion
about
a
a
bike
repair
station
in
manitoba.
It's
kind
of
a
quirky
situation
there's
been
a
push
with
the
bia
and
others
to
put
to
put
cycling
racks
and
whatnot
in
the
in
the
village,
and
there
was
a
business
that
approached
about
a
bike
repair
station.
Of
course
we
have
these
throughout
the
city,
there's
a
desire
to
have
one
in
manatee
along
manchester
main
street,
even
along
bridge
street,
for
that
matter.
H
H
I
I
H
No,
so
if
you
go
up,
if
you,
if
you
happen
to
be
by
there
anytime
soon,
if
you
notice
just
to
the
left
of
the
door
as
you
go
down
the
side
of
their
wall,
so
the
front
door
that
front
platform
side
of
their
wall,
they
do
have
a
a
concrete
platform
there
with
a
bike
rack
already
on
it,
and
there
is
space
reserved
right
there.
So
it's
just
off
the
sidewalk,
I
would
say
maybe
two
meters
off
the
sidewalk
back
to
where
that.
C
H
C
B
C
The
motion:
yeah:
okay,
okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
that
will
conclude
our
agenda.
We
have
open
mic
session
so
before
we
invite
the
participant
of
the
of
the
open
mic
open
mic,
we
can
just
listen
to
what's
been
presented
to
us.
If
any
question
for
clarity
just
for
clarity,
we
can,
but
we
cannot
give
direction
to
staff
or
move
a
motion
on
those
presentation.
C
C
C
M
Okay
turn
that
down:
okay-
sorry
about
that
we're
just
having
internet
connectivity
problems
out
here.
Sorry
for
the
inconvenience
I'm
here
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
the
city's
parking
petition
process
that
we
undertook
in
constance
bay
next
slide.
Please
constance
bay
is
a
small
rural
village
of
approximately
1100
homes,
with
one
road
in
and
out
of
the
village,
we
have
no
sidewalks
and
narrow
shoulders
on
the
road
next
slide.
Please,
the
volume
of
casual
visitors
coming
here
in
warm
months
has
been
increasing
annually
over
the
decades.
M
The
over
capacity
was
shockingly
evident
in
2020
as
a
result
of
the
blatant
disregard
of
day
trippers
for
social
distancing
and
the
sheer
volumes
of
cars
on
the
road
concerned.
Residents
used
the
map
and
address
list
requested
by
the
counselor
from
traffic
services
for
the
city's
parking
petition
process
to
canvas
door-to-door
coveted
safely.
We
completed
the
petition
forms
and
handed
them
over
to
the
city
on
august,
the
17th
for
the
traffic
specialist.
M
Our
next
slide,
please,
our
concerns
are
safety
related
in
the
warm
weather
months
related
to
the
volume
of
parked
cars.
Some
are
parked
in
the
roadway
nowhere
to
park
or
walk
or
cycle
block
laneways
and
block
mailboxes
residents
can't
get
out
to
work.
Appointments
pick
up
the
children
from
daycare
residents
do
not
get
their
mail
if
their
mailbox
is
obstructed
by
parked
cars
residents
and
children
are
at
risk
to
walk
cycle.
Walk
dogs
on
bayview
drive
on
hot
sunny
days
because
of
the
volume
of
park,
cars
and
traffic
next
slide.
M
M
We
want
annually
allocated
bylaw
service
officers
dedicated
to
constance
ban
hot
sunny
days.
We
are
taxpayers
and
we
are
just
as
entitled
to
have
access
to
our
laneways
and
our
mail
as
city
residents.
Next
slide,
please
the
petition
process
resealed
revealed
97
of
the
273
addresses
we
were
able
to
talk
to
are
in
favor
of
having
seasonal,
no
parking
on
one
side
of
bayview
with
the
accompanying
by
law
enforcement.
M
We
were
diligent
in
trying
to
reach
all
273
addresses
and
we
were
able
to
locate
four
other
addresses.
The
city
had
previously
agreed
to
remove
that
we
had
identified
as
abandoned
cottages.
We
went
the
extra
mile
to
canvas
everyone.
We
needed
66
agreement
and
of
the
273
223
voted
yes
or
82
percent.
We
weren't
able
to
contact
41
homeowners
can't
next
slide.
Please,
canada
post
was
contacted
and
made
it
clear
that
removing
parked
cars
from
obstructing
mailboxes
is
the
city's
responsibility.
M
They
provided
us
with
the
canada
post
rural
mailbox
guidelines.
The
local
driver
said
every
day.
He
cannot
deliver
mail
in
constance
bay
because
of
parked
cars
blocking
mailboxes.
Will
the
city
please
update
this
parking
bylaw
to
reflect
language
that
enables
bylaw
officers
to
ticket
or
tow
cars.
The
petition
result
is
very
clear.
Residents
have
spoken
their
wishes.
The
result
is
a
resounding
yes
vote
to
change
the
parking
regulations
next
slide,
please,
the
request
included
in
the
223.
M
Yes
forms
are
the
yes
of
the
church,
two
restaurants
and
all
of
the
volunteer
firefighters
canvas
supported
the
petition
with
a
yes
vote.
In
fact,
one
firefighter
said
he
hoped
the
change
to
parking
may
save
a
life
one
day
on
behalf
of
the
223
residents
who
voted
yes
for
seasonal
parking.
We
are
requesting.
The
committee
support
the
city's
petition
process
and
the
ward
5
counselor,
who
requested
the
map
and
list
of
addresses
by
carrying
the
motion
on
the
following
slide
upon
receipt
of
the
staff
report
from
traffic
services.
M
We
are
requesting
the
other
standing
committees,
if
required,
such
as
transportation
and
community
protective
services,
include
agenda
items
to
review
and
approve
materials
and
labor
be
provisioned
to
support
the
yes
vote
and
the
outcome
of
the
city's
parking
petition
for
constance
bay.
Thank
you
for
your
support.
M
M
D
Hello,
I'm
gail
simmons,
I'm
a
45-year
resident
of
constance
bay.
I
want
to
tell
you
about
the
issues
we
have
with
block
laneways
block,
mailboxes
and
inadequate
bylaw
response
residents
next
slide.
Please
residents
have
been
subjected
to
parked
cars
blocking
their
laneways
for
decades
by
law,
doesn't
respond
in
a
timely
manner,
responding
8-24
hours
later,
doesn't
let
the
homeowner
get
out
of
their
laneway
to
get
to
work,
pick
up,
children,
etc?
D
Why
shouldn't
constance
bay
residents
expect
the
same
response
time
as
city
residents?
Is
there
a
two-tier
level,
one
more
urban
and
a
lesser
level
of
service
for
rural
residents
next
slide?
Please.
I
am
confident
that
if
this
occurred
in
canada
bar
haven
or
near
the
civic
hospital,
neighborhoods
residents
wouldn't
wait
eight
to
24
hours
for
a
bylaw
response.
Next
slide,
please!
This
laneway
is
clearly
evident,
as
shown
by
the
gate.
These
are
examples
of
what
happens
every
summer.
Next
slide.
Please.
D
According
to
the
canada
post
driver
every
day
in
constance
bay
on
hot
sunny
days,
he
is
unable
to
deliver
mail
because
of
parked
cars.
Obstructing
mailboxes
people
count
on
getting
important
mail
on
time.
The
city
must
provide
residents
with
signs
for
their
mailboxes,
indicating
mail
delivery
zone
no
parking
next
slide.
Please,
the
royal
mailbox
guidelines
are
very
clear:
miss
hodder
senior
vice
president
qc
canada
post
was
very
clear
that
the
city
is
authorized
to
handle
part
cost
obstructing
mail
delivery.
D
Ottawa
bylaw
services
tells
callers
they
have
no
bylaw
to
enforce
for
the
cars
parked
in
front
of
mailboxes
obstructing
the
mail
delivery.
The
city
needs
to
update
bylaw
2017-301
part
2,
section
7..
This
next
slide,
please.
This
is
an
excerpt
from
the
city's
parking
by-law,
which
has
to
be
updated
next
slide.
Please
these
photos
are
samples
of
what
happens
every
summer.
Next
slide.
Please
blocked
mailboxes
next
slide.
Please
next
slide,
please.
D
We
also
have
a
problem
with
congested
intersections,
because
cars
are
parked
all
around
the
corners.
The
two
problem
areas
are
mccroskey
and
bayview,
and
bishop
davis
and
bayview
these
are
currently
unsigned
intersections
and
are
enforceable
by
the
parking
by-law.
However,
bylaw
tends
not
to
enforce
these
parking
infractions
for
safety
reasons
we
feel
both
intersections
should
have
signs
installed,
indicating
no
parking
hits
corner
next
slide.
Please
these
photos
are
examples
of
the
problems
next
slide.
D
Please
next
slide,
please
schoolers,
wait,
15
to
20
minutes
or
more
to
report,
a
request
for
service
callers
are
told
they
won't
open
the
ticket
because
they
can't
enforce
the
parking
by-law.
By-Law
statistics
are
skewed
because
the
number
of
tickets
doesn't
reflect.
The
number
of
callers
who
are
turned
away.
Callers
are
told
response.
Time
is
one
business
day.
Minimum
callers
are
also
told
they
can't
enforce
blocked
mailboxes,
as
there
is
no
existing
bylaw
to
enforce.
This
means.
Tough
luck
for
the
homeowner,
no
mail
that
day
and
the
next.
D
If
it
happens
to
be
hot
and
sunny
for
the
next
week.
This
is
unacceptable.
We
have
many
seniors
who
rely
on
receiving
pension
checks
on
time.
Other
people
count
on
receiving
time.
Sensitive
mail
next
slide,
please.
This
is
a
sample
of
bylaw
request
categories
taken
from
a
city
source,
the
response
times
and
priority
levels,
as
you
can
see
at
best
residents,
can
only
expect
a
one
business
day
response
to
a
blocked
laneway.
This
one
is
completely
unacceptable.
D
Next
slide,
please,
the
parking
bylaw
needs
to
be
updated
to
include
mailbox
clearance
clause.
The
city
needs
to
provide
residents
with
signs
indicating
mail
delivery,
so
no
parking
bylaw
needs
a
faster
response
to
block
laminates.
People
need
to
get
out
to
go
to
work
or
pick
up.
A
waiting
child
by
law
offices
need
to
be
allocated
annually
going
forward.
H
Obviously
I
think
most
of
us
have
had
parking
restriction.
Petitions
come
forward
before
and
that
process
does
not
involve
a
motion
to
committee
or
counsel.
So
I'm
not
sure
why
that
request
is
there
or
was
there
something
I'm
missing?
Is
there
something
if
they
have
a
filled
out
petition
according
in
accordance
with
the
parking,
our
parking
rules,
they
submit
that
petition
and
then,
as
long
as
the
counselor
agrees
with
the
results,
the
petition,
then
the
parking
limitation
is
put
in
place.
H
C
Perhaps
that
that
I
just
want
you
to
know,
we've
been
working
with
that
traffic
management
from
the
city
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
and
in
the
last
couple
of
years
we
have
designated
two
student
bylaw
in
the
summer
time
on
the
weekend.
For
for
that
area
also,
we
have
the
temporarily
signed
and
been
monitored
by
staff
on
a
regular
basis
and
based
on
a
traffic
recommendation.
They
recommend
that
the
the
traffic
will
be
on
the
on
the
side
of
the
beach.
C
Basically,
so
they
don't
want
kids
get
out
of
the
van
and
run
across
the
street
so
based
on
their
health
and
safety
recommendation.
So
in
the
last
two
years
we've
been
doing
the
temporarily
sign
every
summer,
and
now
this
petition
would
allow
us
based
on
staff,
recommendation
and
support
the
council.
We
can
have
them
permanently
installed
and
that's
what
this
process
that
to
answer
your
question:
why
it's
here
on
the
front
of
us?
I'm
not
sure,
because
this
is
open
mic.
C
M
H
M
The
reason
the
motion
and
the
the
presentation
came
to
you
folks
was
to
make
an
awareness
that
we
do
have
several
issues
issues
here.
It's
a
multi-pronged
issue,
although
the
temporary
signs
are
on
the
na
the
non-mailbox
side,
we're
not
getting
our
mail,
so
canada
post
is
very
clear.
They've
given
rural
mailbox
delivery
guidelines,
you
need
a
car
length
before
and
after
a
mailbox.
What
happens
now
is
the
no
parking
signs
are
on
the
other
side
of
the
road.
M
So
right
now
you
have
cars
blocking
the
mailboxes
every
single
hot
sunny
day
in
the
summer,
and
the
mailman
simply
does
not
deliver
the
mail,
and
it
tells
us
that
every
day
the
mail
is
not
being
delivered
here.
So
in
considering
where
to
put
the
no
parking
signs,
traffic
services
needs
to
consider
people
getting
their
mail
as
well
and
miss
harter,
who
is
the
senior
vice
president
of
sustainability
and
the
queen's
council
at
canada.
Post
is
very
clear
in
her
email
saying
it's
the
city's
responsibility
to
keep
the
mailboxes
clear.
M
I
have
correspondence
dating
back
to
june
16th
of
that,
so
it
is
the
city's
mandate
to
do
that.
She
is
very
clear
in
that,
so
they
need
to
consider
that
before
the
city
wastes
its
money,
putting
the
signs
on
the
wrong
side
of
the
street,
they
need
to
consider
where
the
the
problem
areas
are
for
the
male
person.
I
Now
I'm
seeing
a
school
bus
because
people
park
early
in
the
morning
the
school
buses
are
going
to
get
down
and
be
able
to
turn
around.
So
you
can
put
up
all
the
signs
you
like
you
can
have
the
bylaw
that
you
think
is
going
to
address
this
issue,
but
we
don't
have
the
resources
number
one
to
have
bylaw
there
all
the
time,
and
that's
just
that's
just
that's
just
a
fact.
I
I'm
just
wondering
if
there
is
a
way
that
you
can
have
a
collector
or
shuttle
bus
that
people
have
to
park
elsewhere,
not
on
the
streets
around
there
and
that
there
is
a
shuttle
bus
that
will
take
people
there.
So
you
don't
have
the
cars
on
your
street
at
all.
I
know
no
parking
signs
won't
work
it
just
it
just
won't
work,
so
I'm
I'm
just
suggesting
that
maybe
an
alternate
solution
should
be
considered
here,
because
you
have
to
have
bylaw
there
all
the
time,
because
bylaw
can't
respond
to
every
complaint
in
this
city.
I
C
You
laura
it's:
okay,
it's
not
for
you
or
cath.
This
is
a
comment
the
council
is
making
about
in
general.
We're
not
gonna
debate
here.
Just
come
to
me
and
all
that
has
been
reviewed
right
now.
We
even
engaged
the
canada
post
in
discussion
with
our
staff
before
we
bring
a
motion
for
or
for
permanent
fine
install,
so
we're
still
in
the
process.
C
It's
been
two
years,
we've
collected
all
the
data
and
we
can
share
it
with
you
once
the
report
comes
to
committee
and
council,
but
thank
you
kathy
and
laura,
and
whoever
represented
it's
great
and
thank
you
for
going
door
to
door
during
the
pandemic
to
to
sign
for
that
petition,
really
appreciate
it
as
from
the
local
counselor.
So
thank
you
both
and
with
that
we
we
don't
have
any
any
other
item.
Mr
desjardins,
in
front
of
us.