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Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee meeting – February 1, 2018 – Audio Stream
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A
Good
morning,
everyone
welcome
to
the
February
first
meeting
of
the
agricultural
affairs
committee
just
before
we
get
new
to
Genesis
wanted.
This
is
something
that
I
think
counselor
harder
already
announced
that
planning
committee
I'm
just
changing
our
procedure
a
little
bit.
Our
normal
standard
procedure
is
putting
the
agenda
items
out
seven
days
in
advance,
so
the
agenda
would
have
gone,
live
last
Thursday,
but
for
those
who
have
submitted
comments
and
will
not,
they
usually
get
the
notification
ten
days
in
advance
on
official
plan
amendment
and
zoning
amendment
files.
A
So
what
we're
gonna
do
from
this
point
forward
is
that
on
the
ten
days
out
from
the
meeting,
all
zoning
applications
official
plan
amendments-
those
will
all
be
made
public
from
ten
days
in
advance,
so
it
gives
it
gives
those
affected
more
time
to
see
those
items
instead
of
just
the
folks
that
have
submitted
comments
on
them.
So
it's
it's.
A
good
step
it
gives,
like
I,
said,
gives
a
bit
more
time.
A
So
this
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
2
to
7
on,
say,
agenda
for
the
items
listed
above
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today.
Our
written
submissions
before
the
moments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
missamma
Board.
In
addition,
the
applicants
may
appeal
the
matter
to
edit
immersed
Ontario
missile
board.
A
A
A
A
A
So
again
we
have
any
speakers
on
that
one
so
that
echo
school
affairs
committee
recommend
council,
approve
amendments
to
zoning
bylaw
2008,
two
five,
zero
four
part
of
four
five:
three:
four
lockers
away
for
the
purpose
of
rezoning:
a
portion
of
lands
from
agricultural
to
agricultural
sub-zone
for
to
prohibit
residential
uses
on
retained
farmland
as
detailed
document
two
and
two
that
we
approved
the
constellation
detail
section
and
report.
So
this
is
just
one
of
the
surplus
farm
severance
zoning
on
the
on
the
item.
A
Item
number
four:
is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
450
the
the
real
for
the
real
actual
end
report?
It
is
only
violent
four
five
one:
three
zero
and
five:
two
zero
eight
Rams
evil
Road.
We
do
have
speakers
on
that
item,
so
we
will
hold
that
at
home
item
number
five
is
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
four
four
one:
three
nine
and
moody
drive
at
the
echo
should
real
fares
committee
recommend
Council
of
proven
amendments
to
zoning
bylaw
2008,
two
five
zero.
A
Four,
four
one:
three
nine
movie
drive
to
permit
a
research
and
development
center
in
offices
permitted
uses,
as
shown
in
document
one
in
as
detailed
document
and
two
that
equals
real
Affairs
Committee,
recommend
or
approve
the
consolation
detail
section
of
support.
This
is
pro
slides
application
to
build
a
research
and
element
center
next
to
their
proposed.
A
lot
of
water
water
park
over
on
Moody
near
Brophy
drive
in
for
16.
So
this.
Currently,
the
zoning
does
not
permits
the
research
development
center.
Their
plans
have
changed
recently.
A
A
So
on
that
Gary
thank
you
item
number
six
zone
environment
for
part
of
two
zero:
two
six
William
Hodgins
Lane.
This
is
another
surplus
farm,
severance
that
echoes
real
Affairs.
Committee.
Recommend
council
approve
an
amendment
to
zoning
bylaw
2008
to
sg50
for
part
of
to
zero
to
six
William
Hodgins
Lane
for
the
purposes
of
rezoning,
the
lands
from
head
cultural
sub-zone
to
AG,
to,
and
agricultural
subs,
on
three
to
agricultural
subs
on
five
to
prohibit
residential
uses
on
the
retained
farmland
as
detailed
and
document
to,
and
to
that
editorial.
A
A
Unfortunately,
we
included
a
map
in
that
we
missed
a
couple
spots
in
the
village,
so
this
this
this
report
just
IDs
that
up
so
it
was
real
Affairs
Committee
recommend
that
planning
committee
recommend
that,
in
respect
to
the
lands,
respect
of
the
lands
identified
in
document
one
and
the
Mantic
area,
specific
development
charges
council
receive
and
approved
the
2014
development
areas.
Background
study
is
modified
by
this
report,
and
two
council
approved
the
enactment
of
a
development
charge
of
bylaw
amendments
in
the
general
form
attached.
A
A
And
the
item
number
eight,
the
Cassidy
musical
drain
appointments
of
a
drainage
engineer
that
echoes
real
Affairs
Committee.
Recommend
council
appoint
mr.
Adam
O'connor
as
the
engineer
of
record
to
prepare
a
report
under
Section
78.
One
of
the
drainage
act
to
inform
Council
on
the
current
status
of
the
Cassidy
musical
drain
and
whether
one
or
more
of
the
project
listed
under
section
78
1.1
is
required
for
the
better
use,
maintenance
or
repair
of
the
drainage
works
or
lands
or
roads
on
item
to
rate.
A
So
this
is
a
this
is
an
application
at
the
corner
of
Huntley
and
Welland
road
to
approve
an
amendments,
zoning
bylaw
to
permit
rural
commercial
uses
on
the
property.
This
currently
is
slavey
uses
that
are
already
permitted
under
under
the
current
world
countryside
zoning,
but
this
would
expand
those
uses
to
include
some
real
commercial
uses
very
limited
in
use,
but
just
some
questions,
I
I
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
a
number
of
the
residents
along
human.
A
The
intent
of
the
permitted
uses
were
to
be,
although
water
volume
uses
so
not
as
not
to
impact
the
water
table.
Low
impact
on
septic
system
as
well,
but
amusement
center
I
mean
for
the
building.
That's
being
proposed.
Well
was
the
genesis,
but
that's
the
one
thing
that
kept
on
coming
up
and
when
talking
to
residents
was
that
one
use
the.
B
The
water
quantity
it
according
to
the
report,
mister
chair,
is
fine.
It's
the
quality
of
the
water
that
had
exceedances
and
chloride.
Amusement
center
is
a
use
that
doesn't
depend
on
high
quality
of
water.
In
order
for
its
business
to
run,
it
could
be
a
bowling
alley,
a
pool
hall,
something
like
that.
Where
bottled
beverages
could
be
sold,
it
wouldn't
rely
on
the
water
itself,
whereas
a
restaurant,
a
coffee
shop,
that
sort
of
thing
relies
on
a
quality
of
water
that
more
consistent.
A
B
Yeah,
so
that
subdivision
was
was
built
many
several
years
ago.
I
can't
speak
to
the
study
itself.
That
was
done
for
that
for
this
site
testing
the
water
we
had
then
run
several
several
tests
and
each
time
on
different
forms
of
that
tests
demonstrated
that
there
is
hypochlorite
in
the
water.
Also,
the
the
the
standards
that
are
in
place
to
measure
have
changed
since
then.
B
So
when
we're
considering
the
new
uses,
we
have
to
look
at
that
there
there
could
be
treatment
systems
present
in
any
of
these
homes,
but
again
at
the
zoning
state
removed
contemplate
the
uses,
that's
not
something
that
we
can
that
we
have
greater
control
over.
We
will
continue
to
look
at
in
greater
detail.
It's
I
plan
in
terms
of
how
that
construction
would
be
done,
but
for
right
now
for
the
uses.
These
are
the
tests
that
are
rented
a
on
the
standards
that
are
present
and
required.
Today.
A
All
right
and
any
the
next
thing
approved
today,
it's
tough
to
bring
for,
because
that
a
lot
of
obviously
concerns
impact
on
else
with
the
septic
rough
I
know
they
need
to
get
a
permit
they're
developing
process,
any
sort
of
traffic
concerns
people
might
have
looking.
Also,
there
also
be
opportunity
for
residents
to
address
those
through
site
plan.
The.
A
So
the
only
other
held
item
that
we
had
was
item
number
4,
which
was
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
four
five,
one,
two,
three:
zero:
five:
two
zero
eight
Ramsey
built
Road
a
Cultural,
Affairs
Committee
recommend
council
approved
amendments;
zoning
bylaw.
She
doesn't
eat
sg50
on
subject
property
to
permit
a
miracle
medical
miracle.
Even
a
word.
A
Sound
like
George
Bush,
a
medical
marijuana
production
facility
use
and
to
add
specific
zoning
provisions
for
that
use,
as
shown
in
document
one
in
detail
and
document.
So
we'll
do
a
brief
presentation
on
this,
just
so
that
members
of
committee,
never
the
public
are
aware
as
to
what
we're
we're
looking
at
here
and
then
we
have
couple
delegations
on
the
item.
C
We're
talking
about
two
adjacent
properties
located
between
the
Greenbelt
and
the
villages
of
Metcalf
and
Greely
51
30
and
50
208
Rams,
evil
Road.
The
surrounding
area
is
predominantly
agricultural.
Industrial
lands
and
mineral
aggregate
uses
that
are
further
west.
The
Finlay
Creek
municipal
drain
runs
through
the
two
properties.
The
site
is
approximately
40
hectares
inside
width
in
size,
with
a
410
meters
of
frontage,
along
Rams,
evil,
Road
and
the
site
currently
contains
approximately
51,000
square
metres
of
greenhouses.
C
These
buildings
here,
the
summary
of
the
development
proposal,
is
to
convert
and
retrofit
the
existing
greenhouses
from
the
growing
of
food
products
to
the
growing
of
medical
marijuana
and
to
convert
an
accessory
package
and
processing
building,
that's
already
on
site
for
the
labeling
and
storage
of
the
new
product.
They'll
be
parking
added
to
accommodate
the
operations,
and
these
details
will
be
fleshed
out
more
with
the
site
plan,
control
application,
which
has
been
provided
for
the
site
and
is
under
review.
Now.
C
The
Official
Plan
designation
for
this
property
for
these
properties
are
agricultural
resource
area,
with
the
intent
to
protect
major
agricultural
areas
from
loss
to
other
uses
and
to
not
introduce
uses
which
would
result
in
conflicts
with
agricultural
operations.
Similarily.
The
zoning
is
agricultural
subsume
with
the
purpose
of
restricting
the
range
of
permitted
uses
to
preserve
primary
cultural
lands
from
lost
to
other
uses
and
to
regulate
uses
in
a
manner
that
respects
the
character
of
the
area
and
minimizes
land
use
conflicts.
C
The
details
of
the
specific
amendment
are
is
currently
the
site
is
ice.
Ected
is
currently
bisected
by
an
easement
for
the
TransCanada
pipeline,
which
is
zoned
open
space
that
won't
be
changing.
There
will
be
a
new
exception
added
to
to
the
two
properties,
except
for
that
open
space
area.
To
add
the
permitted
use
of
medical
marijuana
production
facility.
C
There
will
also
be
exceptions
to
the
provisions
to
allow
a
maximum
lock
coverage
of
27%,
a
minimum
parking
space
rate
to
one
space
per
250
square
meters
of
gfa,
no
landscape
requirement
for
the
parking
lot
and
a
minimum
of
two
vehicle
loading
spaces
in
terms
of
the
permitted
lock
coverage
currently
or
AG,
two
lands,
that's
normally
20%.
However,
there
was
a
minor
variance
application
approved
back
in
2012,
allowing
33%
coverage
on
one
of
the
two
properties,
and
the
27%
is
is
of
more
of
a
balance
to
still
allow
the
same
amount
of
lock
coverage.
C
That's
currently
permitted,
but
balanced
over
the
two
properties.
The
parking
space
rate,
the
parking
rate,
is
being
asked
to
be
modified
in
the
number
of
loading
spaces
in
order
to
minimize
the
an
impact
on
the
land
of
loading
spaces
and
parking
to
to
allow
what
is
actually
necessary
for
this.
For
this
specific
proposal,
and
so
the
report
recommendation
is
that
Council
approved
an
amendment
to
the
zoning
bylaw
or
5130
and
5208
Ramsey
railroad
to
permit
a
medical
marijuana
production
facility
and
to
add
specific
sodium
provisions
for
that
use.
A
Alright,
thanks
just
before
we
go
to
our
delegates,
just
a
quick,
this
committee,
this
council
last
council,
we
approved
a
policy
for
these
types
of
facilities
across
the
city.
We
did
that,
though,
before
that
no
government
was
we,
we
flushed
out
their
process.
So
just
you
just
quickly
summarize
how
it's
different,
how
what
we
approved
it's
different
than
what
this
would
be
today
and
why
this
is
all
right
under
the
federal
process.
A
C
We
approved
was,
it
was
contemplated
that
this
type
of
use
would
be
in
industrial
zones
in
the
City
of
Ottawa.
At
that
time,
the
staff
had
had
thought
that
that
was
the
more
conservative
approach
to
ensure
that
this
use
wouldn't
be
in
inappropriate
areas.
The
reason
this
is
being
can
considered
now
as
we're
looking
at
the
specific
content
of
the
proposal,
which,
right
now
the
the
main
thing
very
cultural
answers.
You
don't
want
to
lose
loss,
you
don't
want
to
lose
lands
that
could
be
used
for
agricultural
production
for
now
and
in
the
future.
C
Currently
crops
are
grown
in
the
greenhouses
and
that
will
continue.
It
will
be
a
different
crop.
So
the
majority
of
this
development
is
is
reusing.
The
buildings
that
already
exist
and
the
lands
because
easily
we
converted
back
to
agricultural
production
if,
if
necessary,
so
they're,
not
being
sterilized
from
agricultural
production,
so.
A
A
A
D
I
spoke
to
doubt
consular
to
Russia
a
few
days
ago
concerning
because
they
live
right
directly
beside
them,
and
yes,
nothing
happens
here
today
from
what
I
understand,
but
I
have
two
other
issues
that
I.
After
reading
this
morning's
paper,
they
are
proposing
fifty
four
thousand
square
feet
at
the
present
time,
but
they're
also
saying
down
the
road.
It's
going
to
be
six
hundred
and
forty
six
thousand
square
feet
which
to
me
takes
in
the
whole
place
that's
twelve
times
approximately
larger
than
what
they're
proposing
today.
I
now
have
issues
over
water.
D
D
What
I've
been
told
because
I
know
the
people
that
live
at
that
rung,
that
placed
at
the
present
time
and
they
say
they're,
really
approximately
200
people
they're
working
there?
What's
the
septic
system
we're
going
to
handle
it's
not
so
there
is
many
issues
and
bouncer
at
the
rush.
Has
the
other
ones
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
those
I
guess
at
the
present
time?
My
opinion.
E
Okay,
too,
my
stuff,
it's
okay,
thank
you.
Lauren
did
we
heard
the
concern
that
we
have
from
mr.
scarf
now
the
amount
of
the
water
and
a
way
for
the
drainage
and
the
drainage
plan.
Is
that
part
of
we
do
this
part
of
the
right
now
or
we're
gonna
wait
and
we'll
look
after
it
when
we
do
the
site
plan
approval,
there's.
C
Currently,
an
application
in
for
site
plan
currently
and
that
application
is
being
reviewed
in
the
details
of
the
drainage
and
septic
system
and
and
water
usage,
and
that
will
be
looked
at
or
detailed
at
that
time.
However,
there
is
sufficient
information
and
the
studies
provided
to
demonstrate
that
it
is
possible
to
to
have
this
use
on
the
property
that
we
will
be
able
to
have
sufficient
water
quality
and
quantity
and
in
an
appropriate
septic
system
and.
E
So
so
that,
basically,
when
you
do
this
up,
when
you
do
that
review,
basically,
when
you
before
we
get
the
site
plan,
approval,
we're
gonna
make
sure
that
the
sufficiency
of
water
and
making
sure
all
this
study
has
been
done
completely
to
making
sure
that
there
is
no
impact
on
the
surrounding
area.
It's.
C
No
additional
impact
I
would
like
to
note
that
drainage
will
be
reviewed
in
terms
of
there'll,
be
no.
No
additional
drainage
will
will
leave
the
property
as
it
is,
but
in
terms
of,
if
there's
any
issues
with
the
with
the
current
with
the
properties
currently
where
it's
not
going
to
necessarily
improve
the
situation,
but
it's
not
going
to
make
it
any
worse.
Okay,.
E
C
E
A
Just
before
we
had
to
take
more
questions
to
stop
they're,
not
directly
related
to
the
speaker,
I'm,
just
we
do
you
have
another
speaker,
I
think
it's
important
to
have
them
come
speak
as
they
are.
The
applicant
just
gonna
invite
mr.
Jacob
bull
Duke
vote
in
Peter
booed
from
live.
Well
in
sorry,
there's
a
crossed
off.
It's
Shawn,
something
it's
like
crossed
off
that
way.
What
school,
Shawn
Shawn
from
liberal
as
well
you're,
less
holy!
You
see,
okay,
so
it's
it's!
If
something
was
here
and
then
it
was
crossed
off
and
then
it
was.
A
F
A
F
I'll
redirect
what's
been
said
before,
a
lot
of
these
issues
are
dealt
with
that
site
plan
and
we
have
applied
for
that
already.
We
will
be
submitting
additional
studies,
as
required
by
staff
with
regards
to
drainage
and
other
issues
that
have
been
presented.
In
regards
to
a
few
of
the
other
comments
that
may
have
been
said,
perhaps
the
owner
Shawn
can
answer
those
a
little
bit
better
or
Peter.
A
B
G
In
regards
to
the
comments
I
made
by
our
neighbor,
we've
been
like
I
said
there
for
more
than
23
years
for
24
years,
and
we've
been
using
set
about
the
water
and
the
water
quality.
As
now
the
way
it
is
we're
gonna
be
using
now
we
use
more
water
than
we're
gonna
use
in
the
future,
because
there
is
way
more
cucumber
plants
than
cannabis
plants
gonna
be
in
the
greenhouse.
So
in
fact
it's
gonna
be
less
usage
of
water.
It's
kind
of
not
gonna,
be
more
so
in
terms
of
size.
G
D
E
H
E
G
G
F
E
I
Through
site
plan
control,
mr.
chair,
the
ward
councillors
circulated
for
his
concurrence
on
the
application
plans,
and
studies
will
be
submitted
and
reviewed
by
staff
to
ensure,
as
Lorien
indicated
earlier,
that
there's
a
stormwater
drainage,
for
instance,
maintained
on
site
that
septic
impacts
are
evaluated
water
for
water,
taking,
as
indicated
in
the
report.
Well,
mr.
obutu
indicated
they
won't
be
wouldn't
be
using
more
water,
but
if,
for
some
reason
they
were,
they
were
to
go
over
the
50
thousand
liters
per
day
threshold
than
the
mo
ECC
needs
to
be
involved.
E
E
I
E
F
I
That'll
be
evaluated
through
the
city
site
plan
process,
but
essentially
the
proponent
needs
to
fulfill
their
obligations
to
Health
Canada
and
Health.
Canada
has
some
from
my
understanding
requirements
of
the
proponent
with
respect
to
security
in
fencing,
so
they'll
need
to
fulfill
those
requirements
to
get
their
license
from
Health
Canada.
C
H
D
C
In
terms
of
the
next
part
of
the
development
is
its
site
plan
where
the
application
has
been
provided.
The
the
site
plan
does
not
require
public
consultation,
so
the
public
consultation
at
this
point
is
for
or
is,
is
right.
Now
there
wrote
the
first
phase
of
the
development
is
just
for
the
top
portion
and
I
think
I,
believe
I've
thought
about
about
5,000
square
meters
of
the
greenhouses
or
roughly
10%
of
the
greenhouses
that
exist
now
on.
The
two
properties
are
for
the
first
phase
of
development.
C
D
On
my
question,
my
question
was:
what's
the
process
to
get
from
this
size
to
12
times
the
the
size
that
were
approving
today?
What's
the
public
involvement
in
and
what
studies
and
so
on
will
be
required
before
they
can
grow
at
that
fast
if
we
approve
it
at
this
site
today,
we're
not
approving
that
six
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
square
feet.
So
what's
the
process
to
get
from
here
to
there
that's
what
I
took
the
gentleman
the
back
was
asking
about
is
how
does
that
all
happen?
How
will
that
get
approved
so.
C
Right
now,
there's
a
site
plan
application
so
that
the
maneuver
on
beyond
what
the
site
plan
application
exists
for
right
now
they
would
require
an
amending
site
plan.
Application
which
may
or
may
not
require
public
consultation,
depends
on
the
threshold
of
what
they
are
adding.
There
is
the
provision
of
a
maximum
lot
coverage
of
27%,
so
no
more
than
27%
of
the
site
can
be
covered
by
buildings.
So.
C
A
A
C
A
D
A
E
There's
be
resolved:
okay,
there's
Barry,
I'm
and
counsel.
The
number
one
deferred
a
requirement
to
pay
development
charges
under
the
development
charges.
Bylaw
2014
until
such
a
time
as
counsel
has
indicated
a
new
development
charges
by
law
and
two
that
the
amount
of
development
charges
to
be
paid
in
accordance
with
number
one
above
be
dumb.
A
Now
our
John
manager
of
planning,
infrastructure
and
economic
government
has
already
indicated
that
there's
an
intent
to
look
at
agriculture
societies,
their
properties,
it
Navin
Richmond,
carp
Medcalf
to
look
at
possibly
weaving
development
charges.
The
future
under
the
next
you
see
charge
by
law.
I
know
that
Tim
mark
is
here.
He
worked
on
this
motions
of
water
pride
and
comment
to
committee.
Before
we
deal
with
this
item
all
right
there
and
we
have
summarized
it.
Are
it
a
question
from
councillor
L
shan't.
F
A
F
D
A
E
E
E
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
concur
on
the
on
the
item.
Thank
you.
Now,
I
must
rescind
my
hard-earned
chair,
counselor
Drew's
every
because
I
have
a
I
7
motion
regarding
the
twin
Elm,
its
twin
Elm
I
should
have
caught
that
that's
supposed
to
Elms,
you'd,
think
twin
Elms.
You
think
it'd
be
Elms,
but
it's
actually
20.
A
A
E
A
A
A
Essentially,
this
is
actually
good
thing
for
the
city,
because
I
don't
think
anyone
at
the
city
is
in
the
financial
wherewithal
to
be
taking
over
a
Rugby
Park.
At
this
time,
I
see
Paul
Andrews
over
there
he's
nodding
his
head
because
he's
not
exactly
flushed
with
cash.
He
loved
us
to
give
him
more,
but
I'm,
not
sure
if
running
a
Rugby
Park
is
the
priority
for
the
city
at
this
time,
so
this
gives
them
more
time.
The
putting
solar
panels
on
their
roof,
of
course,
is
going
to
help
them
financially
as
well
and
environmentally.
So.
E
A
E
A
A
They,
probably
you
know
what
happened,
is
caffeine
windows
here
last
week
for
Town
Hall.
They
probably
turned
down
the
volume,
so
no
one
could
hear
I'm,
sorry,
I
didn't
say
any
negative
I'm.
Just
saying
that's
the
rally
is
they
probably
miss?
She
didn't
actually
hear
it
and
she
said
so.
Anyways
we'll
have
to
turn
it
back
up
as
a
result.
H
Morning
mr.
chair
I'd
like
to
address
the
subject
of
the
huge
difference
of
the
level
of
pyramid
power
transpose
service
between
the
rural
and
the
urban
clients.
I'm
asking
for
this
committee's
help
to
resolve
some
of
them.
Consider
a
situation
where
two
dear
friends
live
in
the
greater
city
of
ottawa.
One
lives
in
plaster
leon,
the
listen
curb
both
are
wheelchair
clients
of
para
Transpo.
They
want
to
meet
in
two
central
locations
and
they
decide
to
rendezvous
at
the
Bayshore
shopping
center.
A
A
H
So
the
plaster
we
don't
customer
is
paying
seven
dollars
for
that
trip,
but
the
same
distance
traveled
by
the
lady
from
carp,
it's
gonna,
cost
her
$18.50
more
than
two
and
a
half
times
her
friend.
Consider
a
second
situation
that
same
lady
living
in
carp
wants
to
go
to
done,
robbing
to
her
chiropractor
a
shirt
trip
of
13
kilometers.
That
client.
A
H
H
Thank
you
put
some
numbers
to
the
situation.
Rural
residents
pay
the
same
para
Transpo
portion
on
their
tax
bill
as
the
urban
residence,
where
residents
are
not
permitted
to
use
para
Transpo
for
a
trip
within
that
rural
area,
their
neighborhood
that
comprises
some
90%
of
the
area
of
Ottawa
on
a
per
capita
basis.
Rural
residents
use
para
Transpo
only
about
one-fifth
of
the
rate
of
the
urban
residents
and
rural
residents
pay
a
fair,
almost
3
times,
that
of
an
urban
resident.
Irrespective
of
the
distance.
H
The
trip
I've
advocated
for
a
serious
review
of
the
the
rural
urban
inequities
since
at
least
rural
summit.
What
was
he
Transpo
at
a
recent
meeting
with
the
seniors
roundtable
indicated
that
they
were
open
to
consideration
of
improvements.
If
you
agree
that
there's
a
need
for
improvements,
there
have
to
be
a
significant
voice
from
this
group
of
rural
counselors
in
order
to
effect
a
change
when
I
discussed
world
transpose
service
with
staff
and
urban
residents,
I
frequently
encounter
two
rationalizations
behind
maintaining
the
status
quo.
I
H
It's
reasonable:
they
pay
a
lot
more
to
the
first
item
of
it
being
a
citywide
service.
I
remind
of
the
constant
reassurance
that
staff
gated
during
the
storm
water
management
public
consultation
sessions.
We
were
constantly
reminded
that
we
should
pay
according
the
level
of
service
being
provided
that
principle
is
not
being
practiced
with
para
Transpo
and
we
pay
a
greater
increased
fare
for
the
lesser
service
that
we
do
receive.
As
to
the
second
point,
on
the
average
distances,
that's
an
unfair
comparison.
H
When
you
look
at
the
charts,
the
shorter
local
trips
that
might
have
been
taken
in
the
rural
areas
are
simply
not
allowed.
They
don't
figure
into
the
the
distance
is
a
key
factor.
Why
are
we
not
employers
own
fare
system
across
the
entire
system?
The
rural
community
centers
have
become
increasingly
involved
in
compensating
for
the
Transpo
deficiencies,
to
the
extent
that
they're
now
providing
rides
in
almost
three-quarters
of
the
rate
of
the
numbers
of
para
Transpo
and
about
half
the
cost.
H
This
table
I
want
to
highlight
some
of
the
contrast
between
para
Transpo,
the
rural
service
and
the
the
work
that
the
community
centers,
the
reserve.
Centers
are
doing
to
satisfy
the
needs
of
the
rural
residents.
Looking
first
at
the
top
green
arrow,
you
can
appreciate
how
significantly
involved
the
C
or
C's
have
stepped
in
to
fill
the
void.
They're
now
functioning
somewhat
like
the
practice
of
the
former
municipalities
with
paid
and
volunteer
drivers.
H
This
service
has
increased
to
the
extent
that
they
now
provide
about
three-quarters
of
the
numbers
of
rides
for
the
rural
residents,
as
does
para
transport.
The
center
three
headed
arrow.
You
can
see
that
the
community
reserve
centers
have
set
their
fare
model
for
their
longer
distance
trips
to
be
somewhat
similar
to
that
of
para
Transpo
in
order
to
manage
the
demand,
but
the
para
Transpo
fare
for
a
rural
passenger
is
2.7
times
that
of
an
urban
client.
H
The
rural
community
reserve
centers
have
been
doing
a
great
job
in
helping
to
meet
the
rural
transportation,
need
it's
not
being
addressed
by
a
pair
of
transport.
Indeed,
with
changes
in
their
delivery
models
and
some
reduction
in
fares,
the
Western
Ottawa
community,
Reserve
Center,
has
tripled
their
clients
over
the
last
year.
D
H
The
bigger
ease
of
opportunity,
funding,
speaking
of
opportunity,
fundings
we've
recently
been
advised
that
some
potential
opportunity
for
financial
assistance
is
available
through
the
vehicle
for
higher
accessibility
fund.
The
CRC's
are
now
considering
submissions
they're
looking
at
the
possibility,
but
it
has
a
serious
disadvantage
of
not
being
sustained
funding
and
approvement
without
the
confidence
of
that,
continued
funding
is
difficult.
H
H
H
H
A
Thanks,
thank
you.
I
know,
councillor
bleh
is
actually
the
chair
of
the
trance
Commissioner
he's
not
here
today.
Can
you
provide
me
with
the?
Can
you
just
email
me,
the
your
presentation
we
already
have
it
so
mark
will
get
it
to
me.
I
will
say
that
we
do
already
part
I,
think
you
know
this.
We
do
already
partner
with
the
career
centers.
We
have
an
annual
fund.
It
was
six
hundred
dollars
in
the
2017
2018
budget.
It's
been
increased
to
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars.
A
That
money
goes
directly
to
the
three
CRC's
and
we're
a
lot
of
work
to
provide
transportation
in
a
rural
area.
That's
for
the
vehicle
for
hire
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
coming
in,
and
that
is
sustainable
that
sustainable
its
annual
and
the
problem.
One
issue
that
we
did
do
have
with
it
from
the
time
we
established
it
in
2011
to
this
year
we
weren't
increasing
it
with
inflation.
That
was
an
issue
we
addressed
that
by
putting
in
the
extra
one
thousand
dollars
in
2018.
It'll
now
increase
the
inflation
from
here
on
out.
A
So
not
only
is
it
sustainable
from
going
forward.
It'll
also
increase
annually,
as
it
should
have
in
the
past,
but
yes,
I've
also
talked
to
Ross
and
I'm
sure
the
other
CRC's
Earle
can
to
the
vehicle
for
higher
accessibility
to
form
$4,000
from
uber
and
hopefully
future
local
fire
programs
in
the
future
come
online.
That
will
also
build
that
account.
I
told
them
to
get
in
touch
they
have
already
registered
and
a
Ross
started
registered
to
be
at
that
meeting.
I
think
it's
February
15th
this
month.
A
Obviously
its
current
visitor,
yeah,
sorry
I,
I,
say
things
in
my
head
and
then
I
think
about
them,
and
if
every
15th
of
this
month
makes
no
sense,
that's
obvious
and
I
just
scatterbrain
today,
so
I
know
they
already
looking
at
that
and
I
think
that
is
a
good
opportunity
for
some
of
that
funding
to
come
to
rural
oughta
watch
you
and
specifically
to
those
programs
in
those
groups.
Well,
let's
count
syringe
everyone
to
some.
You.
A
F
Do
not
age
this
thing,
we
don't
pay
transit
and
we
don't
pay
the
same
amount
for
fire
service.
So
we
have
to
be
clear
when
we
say
this,
because
we
lose
credibility
when
we
start
hard
on
something.
Real--
is
not
there
as
far
as
funding,
even
with
the
with,
and
you
knows
what
as
I
do
with
the
Resource
Center
was
not
used
fully
the
last
time.
F
To
my
knowledge,
my
wife,
one
of
those
who
drive
for
and
help
out
to
this
year
with
the
CRC
in
our
air,
the
Community
Resource
Center
and
the
problem
is
we
need
to
address
this
from
rural
to
rural.
That
I
agree
with
you.
We
need
to
find
a
solution
for
because
we
have
folks
with
their
doctrine
in
the
rural
area
and
and
it
doesn't
make
sense
if
they
cannot
access
that-
that
we
need
to
address,
and
we
want
to
work
with
our
cogs
even
play
about
this,
but
just
to
suggest
you
would
pay
the
same.
A
Alright,
thank
you
very
much
so
I'll
take
you
have
some
comments
and
there's
some
questions.
I
think
they're,
better
addressed
by
post
Transpo
by
the
folks,
appear
Transpo
pass
screams.
Your
charter
should
be
able
to
help
with
that.
So
we'll
take
your
presentation
we'll
pass
on
those
comments
to
them.
We'll
get
some
responses
to
you
and
I'll
get
those
to
you
all
right.
I
go.