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Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee meeting – March 1, 2018 – Audio Stream
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B
A
Conformation
minutes
of
our
meeting
of
February
1st
2018
carry
so
except
to
sub
to
Stevens
at
the
make
regarding
the
two
items
on
the
planning
item
and
then
one
the
immiscible
drain.
So
it's
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment
listed
as
item
1
on
today's
agenda.
For
the
item
mentioned
above
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted,
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board
Local
Planning
Appeals
Tribunal.
A
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
miss
of
award
or
Local
Planning
Appeal
Tribunal.
If
Council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
120
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
for
zoning
and
180
days
for
an
official
plan
amendments,
a
comment
sheet
is
available
at
the
door,
for
anyone
should
make
submission
to
submit
written
comments
on
that
amendment
and
again,
that's
the
item.
That's
item
number
1,
which
was
the
Richmond
the
Richmond
file.
A
Consideration
of
appeals
to
assessments
by
landowners
will
be
heard
by
the
court
or
revision
at
another
time,
yet
to
be
determined
all
assess
landowners
will
be
provided
with
written
notice
of
the
time
and
place
of
the
convening
of
the
quarter
vision
and
will
be
provided
with
an
opportunity
to
file
an
appeal,
their
assessments,
by
submitting
it
and
writing
to
the
clerk.
Anyone
wishing
to
submit
written
comments
on
a
technical
merits
of
the
engineer's
report
only
are
encouraged
to
do
so
by
providing
the
details
to
the
committee
assistants.
A
We
do
have
one
speaker,
Jamie
Posen,
but
he's
on
behalf
of
the
applicant,
so
I
understand
that
you'd
be
okay.
If
we
just
carry
this
today,
you
know
what
to
speak
all
right.
Thank
you.
So
on
that
I
don't
carry,
and
the
only
other
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
engineer's
report
for
cranberry
chemical
drain,
modifications,
improvements
and
maintenance.
C
C
C
So
we
were
appointed
by
the
City
of
Ottawa
in
September
10th
2014,
to
prepare
a
report
for
improvements
of
the
cranberry
Creek
municipal
drain
dike
and
pump
station
under
Section
78
of
the
drainage
act.
The
on-site
meeting,
which
is
a
requirement
of
under
the
drainage
act,
was
held
on
January
29th
2015
at
the
north
Corps
Community
Center
all
affected
landowners,
as
well
as
the
various
agencies
we're
invited
to
the
meeting
and
given
a
notice.
C
C
And
again,
I
guess
the
more
significant
improvements
were
made
on
a
report
by
Graham
Berman
associates
in
1969.
This
improvement
included
work
on
a
number
of
the
branches,
but
I
suppose,
most
significantly.
In
addition
to
maintaining
or
cleaning
out
the
drain
itself
was
the
installation
of
the
Dyke
control
structure
and
a
pump
station.
C
In
the
year
subsequent
to
the
installation,
there
have
been
several
requests
for
clean-out
and
improvements
to
the
drainage
system.
The
most
recent
recommended
improvement
was
one
that
our
firm
completed
in
1991,
which
made
recommendations
for
implementation
and
construction
of
an
upgraded
dike
system
and
pump
station.
Now
this
report
was
not
adopted
by
Council
at
that
time.
Therefore,
the
basic
that
report
does
not
have
any
status
and
the
improvements
at
that
time
were
not
constructed
and
just
continue
with
the
history.
C
There
have
been
ongoing
concerns
about
drainage,
on
cranberry,
Creek
and
I
note,
and
it's
a
bit
of
a
mystery
too
I
think
almost
everybody
at
some
point.
After
our
report
in
1991
the
pump
station
was
removed
and
the
control
structure
was
removed.
Specifically
it
was
there
in
1991
so
and
it
was
still
operational
at
that
time.
C
C
So
once
the
report
is
is
approved
and
the
pump
dike
system
has
being
constructed,
then
regular
maintenance
can
be
undertaken
on
the
main
drain
under
the
direction
of
drainage.
Superintendent.
I
just
talk
a
bit
about
approval
process.
There
is
through
preliminary
consultation
with
various
environmental
agencies.
It
was
determined
that
the
mandate
given
to
Robins
consultants
for
the
required
dike
and
pump
station
reconstruction
and
drain
maintenance
would
require
a
significant
review
and
approval
by
the
environmental
agencies,
and
these
include
the
reader,
Valley
Conservation,
Authority,
Department
of
Fisheries
and
Oceans
and
Ministry
of
Natural
Resources.
C
As
a
result,
we
commissioned
Kilgore
and
associates
to
complete
an
environmental
review,
and
the
report
is
included
as
an
appendix
to
our
report.
It's
entitled
a
cranberry
Creek
municipal
drain
pump
and
dike
system
reinstatement
ecological
site
assessment,
and
this
has
been
circulated
to
the
various
agencies.
C
Now
the
proposed
works
will
provide
the
following
reinstatement:
improvement
of
the
dike
and
pump
station
reestablishing
the
profile
of
the
main
drain
upstream
as
a
dike
replacement
where
necessary
of
structures.
Once
the
engineer
report
is
completed
and
approved
in
the
pump
station,
the
pump
and
dike
system
have
been
constructed.
Then
maintenance
can
be
undertaken
on
the
drain
right
now.
The
municipality
cannot
get
in
there
because
of
the
amount
of
water
and
at
some
extent,
until
the
new
profile
is
confirmed,
they
are
working
a
little.
They
be
working
a
little
bit
in
the
dark
anyway.
C
C
This
plan
shows
the
actual
cranberry
Creek
drain
itself.
The
first
one
was
a
drainage
basin,
so
the
drain
starts
just
upstream
of
the
fourth
line
Road
and
continues
down
across
highway
416
third
line
Road
to
the
location
of
the
pump
station,
which
is
is
kind
of
midway
between
the
third
line,
road
right
away
and
the
second
line
road
right
away
and
the
pump
station
is
shown
in
location
pump
stations.
So
on
green
on
this
plan,.
C
This
these
next
two
drawings,
basically
just
are
in
here
to
demonstrate
the
amount
of
material
that
has
accumulated
over
time
within
the
drain,
and-
and
it
varies
as
you
can
even
see
on
this
profile
here
from
very
little
to
up
to
about
a
meter
and
a
half
deep.
So
this
is
the
material
that
can
be
taken
out
once
the
pump
station
is
in
place
it
and
the
maintenance
is
undertaken-
and
this
just
shows
a
couple
of
crossings
that
will
be
their
existing
crossings
there
now
and
will
be
replaced
now.
C
Now
the
proposed
pump
station
and
dike
we've
looked
at
this
with
input
from
various
landowners
as
well
as
hydrologic
models
and
have
determined
that
we
should
be
looking
at
a
pump
with
about
that
2.5
cubic
meter
per
second
capacity
and
again
there's
restrictions
because
of
the
elevation
of
Z
of
the
channel
and
surrounding
area
upstream.
But
looking
at
a
low
summer
water
level
of
eighty
four
point:
seven
meters,
an
operating
level,
so
the
constipate
has
to
have
a
change
in
elevation
order
to
go
on
and
off,
so
it
doesn't
cycle
too
frequently.
C
So
the
operation
level
is
is
about
three
hundred
millimeters
and
the
downstream
summer
water
level
in
the
Rita
river
is
eighty
five
point.
Five
now
just
note
the
surrounding
elevation
between
the
Rita
River
drainage
base
area
and
the
Granberry
Creek
trainee
patient
is
about
elevation
86.
So
it
is.
It
is
a
fairly
flat
area.
C
So
again,
there's
an
independent
structure
for
the
pump
station
and
discharge
on
the
downstream
size
of
the
side
of
the
Dyke.
The
pump
this
proposed
is
about
a
hundred
and
seventy
horsepower,
and
we
we're
going
to
make
provisions
or
having
in
the
report
for
a
second
pumps
to
be
installed
in
the
future
by
putting
in
the
the
basic
infrastructure
without
the
pump.
Now
it's
not
a
big
cost,
but
it
if
there
is
need
to
increase
the
capacity
in
the
future.
It
will
be
available.
C
C
Now
approvals
just
again
without
going
through
the
details,
we've
had
many
discussions
with
Fisheries
and
Oceans
Canada
and
have
a
letter
of
advice
which
again
is
included
in
the
report
and
after
Vermont
discussion
back
and
forth.
We
we
got
approval
for
the
pumpin
Dyke
to
be
in
operation
from
May
the
10th
through
to
the
31st
of
October
each
year
outside
of
this
period.
The
stop
logs
are
removed
and
the
pump
is
not
operated.
C
Now
the
cost
estimate
the
preliminary
cost
estimate
for
all
of
the
works,
including
the
pump
station
dike,
a
maintenance
of
the
drain
engineering,
administration
etc
is
1
million
five
hundred
and
ninety
three
thousand
dollars-
and
this
is
broken
down
into
I-
guess
three
parts
here:
the
the
pump
station,
a
dike
system,
the
drain
maintenance,
construction
and
engineering,
ecological
assessment
and
other
costs
of
the
cost
estimate
the
City
of
Ottawa.
Again,
everybody
gets
assessed,
including
the
City
of
Ottawa
for
roads
departments
and
the
MTO
for
highway.
C
So
the
City
of
Ottawa
roads
and
lands
will
be
assessed
about
nine
percent
of
the
cost
MTO
of
eleven
percent
and
about
eighty
percent
is
goes
back
to
the
individual
property
owners
and
just
the
schedules
in
the
report.
We've.
We
are
not
discussing
individuals,
but
just
there's.
A
Schedule
B
is
for
maintenance
of
what
we
call
section.
One
of
the
drain
schedule
C's
for
section
two
scheduled
D
for
section
3
and
Schedule
E-
is
for
the
pump
station
and
dike
system,
and
these
are
all
summarized
in
Schedule
A
in
the
report
and
in
the
future.
C
Just
a
little
note
on
next
steps.
So,
basically,
if
this
meeting
is
a
recommendation
is
made
to
Council,
there
would
be
a
first
and
second
reading
of
the
bylaw
for
cranberry
Creek
misspelled
rain.
Then
there
is
a
quarter
revision
which
will
be
scheduled
likely
sometime
in
April
at
the
court
of
revision.
Owners
may
appeal
their
assessments,
but
just
and
there'll
be
a
notice
sent
out
ahead
of
time
for
this.
C
But
it's
important,
if
you're
thinking
of
doing
that,
that
you
provide
some
evidence
as
to
why
you
think
your
assessment
should
be
adjusted
and
then
there's
a
an
appeal
period.
There
is
an
appeal
to
a
drainage
tribunal
if
the
owners
are
not
happy
with
the
technical
report
or
if
they're
not
happy
with
this
decision
of
the
court
revision
and
then,
after
all,
those
processes,
the
times
have
passed
and
the
council
will
give
third
reading
to
the
bylaw
and
then
it
would
go
to
tender
and
construction.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
I
think
we'll
just
like
will
go
straight
to
two
delegations
before
we
do
any
questions.
Obviously,
that's
I
think
the
delegations
are
going
to
form
my
form,
possibly
some
of
the
questions
that
we
might.
We
might
ask
so
we'll
go
straight
to
that
first,
so
our
first
speaker
is
mr.
Kevin
Cole.
Well,.
A
D
D
Thank
you
so
a
mr.
chairman
and
committee
members,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
give
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
the
community
today
about
the
cranberry
Creek
drainage
report.
I
have
a
few
opening
remarks
and
one
issue
with
the
report.
I'd
like
to
raise
I've
been
a
resident
of
the
City
of
Ottawa
since
1980,
with
the
exception
of
a
five-year
residency
between
95
and
2000,
and
what's
now
North
Grenville.
D
D
I
know
what
I'm
talking
about
when
I
say
that
when
it
comes
to
the
drainage
Act,
the
city
has
a
long
way
to
go
when
it
comes
to
providing
helpful
information
to
landowners
in
a
timely
manner.
In
fact,
most
of
us
on
many
of
us
on
Peyton
Road
received
no
engineer's
report.
We
had
to
chase
down
on
the
report
from
the
city
and
I
do
appreciate
the
chair,
Scot
Moffitt's
assistance
in
providing
that
information
to
us.
D
My
written
submission
includes
a
number
of
recommendations
like
I
said.
One
of
them
is
how
the
city
can
improve
its
communication
to
landowners
regarding
the
drainage
act,
our
obligations,
etc.
The
one
item
I
do
want
to
raise
today
the
expansion
of
the
catchment
area,
our
drainage
basin,
whatever
the
technical
term
is.
The
report
identifies
that
creeks
drainage
basin,
drainage
basin,
sorry,
which
for
all
effective
purposes,
establishes
the
outer
boundary
for
properties
that
are
liable
to
pay
for
the
drainage
work
included.
D
In
the
report,
it's
interesting
to
note
that
the
creeks
catchment
area
identified
in
two
previously
published
reports.
The
RVCA
is
cranberry
Creek
catchment,
Laurita,
River
sub-watershed
report
of
2012
and
cities
stream,
Watch
2013
cranberry
Creek.
Summary
report
was
much
smaller
than
a
drainage
basin
identified
in
the
current
report.
In
fact,
my
property
and
many
properties
on
Paden
Road
were
not
included
in
the
drainage
basin.
D
E
D
Neighbors
recently
asked
the
authors
of
the
2017
report
why
the
drainage
basin
had
been
expanded
to
include
properties
that
were
not
included
in
the
previous
reports.
They
were
told
that
there
was
a
new
technology
available,
something
called
lidar
that
enabled
more
accurate
measurement
of
elevation.
I.
Think
a
reasonable
person
would
expect
that
if
the
drainage
basin
was
expanded
due
to
the
use
of
a
new
methodology
or
technology
beyond
the
area
previously
identified,
this
would
warn
at
least
a
passing
mention
in
the
report.
D
Apparently
not
I
assume
that
there
was
an
evidence-based
rationale
for
spanning
the
drainage
area
beyond
the
fact
that
by
like
I
said
by
doing
so,
you're
just
dragging
more
landowners
in
to
pay
for
this
work.
The
other
reality,
as
I
said,
is
that,
based
on
the
information
I've
recently
received,
is
that
none
of
the
work
that's
gonna
be
done
to
improve
the
drainage
of
cranberry.
Creek
is
gonna,
have
any
direct
impact
of
those
on
Payton
Road.
D
In
closing,
if
the
committee
and
then
council
approves
and
adopts
the
report
and
proceeds
with
the
work
without
amending
any
of
the
costing,
it
will
essentially
and
effectively
be
downloading.
One
point:
four
million
dollars
directly
onto
rural
families,
many
of
whom
were
recently
added
to
the
drainage
basin
and
who
will
see
no
benefit
from
this
work
whatsoever.
D
I'm
hopeful
that,
given
the
impact
on
these
300
families
and
the
financial
hardship
that
some
of
my
neighbors
will
experience
having
to
pay
for
this
work
that
the
adoption
and
influence
are
II
that
the
committee
will
careful
consider
these
factors
before
making
a
decision
on
how
to
proceed.
I
do
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
today.
Thank
you.
A
Very
much
so
we're
I'm
dis
that
I'm
gonna
make
notes
as
people
present
and
then
we'll
propose.
Those
questions
to
the
engineer
following
I
will
say:
I
believe
you're,
aware
this,
that
this
committee
today
and
council,
following
does
not
have
the
authority
to
make
changes
to
the
report
to
make
changes
to
assessments
at
this
time.
That
comes
at
the
quarter.
Vision
we've
tented
ly
scheduled
that
for
April
23rd,
but
of
course
that
that
date
only
happens
if
there's
appeals.
A
F
For
this
opportunity,
yeah
I
own
the
land,
where
the
pump
is
going
to
be
located
and
where
the
dam
will
be,
and
the
driveway
in
and
I've
lived
through
the
whole
history
of
cranberry
Creek
and
the
last
60
years.
We've
needed
a
clean
oat
and
never
really
got
it.
We've
the
pump
has
been
removed
and
the
hydro
line
has
been
stolen
into
it
and
I
think
we've
been
neglected.
The
city
I
think
owes
us
landowners.
F
The
whole
cost
of
repairing
this
drainage
system.
The
province
has
done
a
share
and
I
think
the
city
should
do
a
share
too.
We've
put
up
with
very
poor
drainage
for
20,
30,
40
50
60
years
and
we're
being
assessed
quite
a
bit.
I
have
300
acres
approximately
and
I'm
assessed
$35,000,
but
anyway
that's
for
another
time.
F
A
F
F
It's
in
my
opinion,
I
haven't
measured
it,
but
it's
800
feet
or
800
meters
from
the
dam
site,
and
that
is
further
away
than
the
first
circle.
I
think
the
first
circle
is
200
meters.
So,
according
to
the
instruction
or
the
information,
the
that
property
would
be
a
lawyer,
a
lower
correction
factor
than
has
been
applied
to
it.
A
Alright,
so
on
on
the
on
those
technical
things
on
on
a
lot
15
and
its
its
proximity
and
the
cost
I
know,
Robertson's
can
look
into
that
yeah
if
there
are
situations
like
that,
Mister
Cola
mentioned
the
expansion
of
the
drainage
area
and
that
some
people
are
impacted
by
that
in
terms
of
it
being
brought
in.
Maybe
I
don't
hear
you
sorry
I
was
saying
that's
when
mr.
Cole
was
speaking
before
you,
he
was
talking
about
potential
expansion
of
the
drainage
area.
Are
the
engineer
mr.
Robinson
Lauren
Franklin's
here
as
well.
A
They
can
go
out
investigate
that.
They
can
do
further
work
on
that.
Yes,
if
it
if
it
comes
to
situation
yeah,
if
it
comes
situation
where
something
was
was
missed,
something
was
needs
to
be
corrected.
The
engineer
will
bring
a
recommendation
to
the
to
the
court
revision
to
remove
that
area
where
to
change
that
assessment.
Well,.
F
B
B
First,
in
terms
of
a
process
point
I
was
at
the
March
meeting
in
2015
and
I
was
at
a
subsequent
meeting
that
wasn't
mentioned
in
the
report
where
we
went
over
the
same
material
again
subsequent
to
March
or
January.
2015
forget
what
the
exact
date
was,
but
at
no
point
in
those
meetings
where
we
inform
that
council
had
already
approved
a
full
engineering
study
to
the
tune
of
over
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
be
done.
B
We
were
left
with
the
impatient
the
impression
that
these
were
just
kind
of
preliminary
information
meetings
that
were
kind
of
kind
of
building
to
try
to
respond
to
an
issue,
but
you
from
this
report
it
says
in
March,
2014
approval
was
made
to
do
a
full
engineering
study
I'm,
not
sure
why
we
weren't
told
that
at
those
meetings
we
left
those
meetings
with
the
impression
that
these
were
just
kind
of
preliminary
information
sessions.
So
that's
a
sign,
a
process,
I
think
that's
a
serious.
B
We
should
have
been
told
that
the
full
engineering
study
was
actually
being
undertaken.
Second,
the
report
contains
kind
of
a
brief
history.
I
would
like
to
have
the
report
under
to
explain
why
previous
councils
decided
to
abandon
the
original
investment,
obviously
councils.
Then
this
was
riedle
council,
but
city
of
ottawa,
on
amalgamation,
assumed
our
responsibility
basically
determined
that
they
were
going
to
abandon
the
original
structure.
B
What
happened
to
it
is
irrelevant
because
the
municipality
determined
to
not
maintain
it
there
for
it
to
abandon
it,
why
there
must
have
been
a
logic
and
a
reason:
I
suspect,
because
the
municipal
council
determined
that
it
really
wasn't
worth
the
cost
of
maintaining
in
terms
of
the
to
be
derived.
But
there
was
a
rationale:
reason
that
should
be
explained
in
the
report
as
to
why
it
was
originally
determined
to
be
bound
and
because
engineering
reports
were
done,
they
were
told.
If
you
don't
maintain
you
don't
reinvest,
it's
not
going
to
work,
it
was
falling.
B
It
was
deteriorating,
so
obviously
the
council
of
the
day
determined
that
that
was
the
appropriate
course
of
action.
So,
okay,
now,
why
has
that
changed?
What
has
changed
to
say
that
we
now
need
a
new
reinvestment,
given
that
a
previous
council
decided
to
abandon
the
original
investment
that
the
original
landowners
in
that
area,
and
some
of
them
are
still
here,
may
good
question.
B
There
is
no
information
in
the
study
in
harm's
of
how
this
investment
will
actually
benefit
us
lots
of
stuff
on
costs,
but
nothing
on
benefit.
I,
looked
at
my
own
situation
and
to
derive
a
benefit
from
this
new
work.
I
would
have
to
see
a
30%
increase
in
my
yields
annually,
that's
not
possible,
and
even
in
last
year
we
had
severe
flooding.
My
yields,
weren't
impacted,
so
I
don't
see
what
the
benefit
of
this
is
going
to
be
for
various
landowners.
B
Maybe
some
wood,
some
wood
and
the
other
one
I'd
like
to
know
is
when
they
talk
about
getting
rid
of
surface
water
standing
water,
that's
left
after
a
significant
rainfall.
How
much
would
this
actually
decrease
the
time
it
takes
to
get
rid
of
that
water
for
various
properties?
If
it's
talking
about
over
a
seven
days,
standing
water
that
this
new
pump
will
reduce
the
standing
water
for
by
twelve
hours?
What's
the
significant
difference
of
that?
B
Everything
will
now
be
diminished
by
one
day
two
days
three
days
from
what
it
would
have
been
previous.
Why
isn't
that
covered
in
the
report?
To
tell
us
what
the
benefit
will
be
so
I
think
those
are
my
main
points.
I
think
the
study
shouldn't
be
accepted
in
part,
because,
yes,
it
does
a
wonderful
job
of
the
engineering.
It
looks
at
some
of
the
ecological
stuffs,
but
it
doesn't
address
any
of
the
economic
realities
of
which
landowners
face.
B
A
Thank
you,
sir.
So
just
on
some
of
the
background
prior
to
September
2014,
where
the
city
did
appoint
the
drainage
engineer
to
begin
the
process
of
developing
this
report.
I
know
it
was
right
back
to
and
I
whether
it's
all
in
there
I'm
not
June
2013.
There
was
a
meeting
held.
The
reader
Valley
Conservation
Authority
was
hosted
by
the
MP
in
our
area.
That
involved
Parks,
Canada
and
landowners
came
out
to
express
their
concerns
with
the
flooding
that
year.
Of
course,
2013
was
a
very
wet
year.
A
We
had
a
rough
May
and
June,
and
the
water
stayed
on
those
lands
for
quite
some
time.
From
from
that
meeting,
of
course,
nothing
from
Parks,
Canada
or
RVCA
came
out
of
that
meeting,
but
the
city
was
kind
of
left
with
this
drink.
This
the
status
of
this
drain,
the
fact
that
it
wasn't
operating
to
the
1969
report.
It
hadn't
been
operating
with
a
pump
in
dike
for
many
years.
So
we
were
left
to
investigate
that
myself.
I
was
there
Dave
Ryan
was
there
mark
Anja
was
there
from
that
point?
A
We
began
preliminary
investigations
into
this.
What
could
be
done?
Could
we
even
get
to
a
point
where
groups
like
the
RVCA,
like
the
department
fishes
oceans,
would
even
allow
us
to
do
anything
with
it?
I
mean
if
we
can't
do
anything
they
have
to
abandon
the
drain,
because
if
you
can't
bring
it
back
to
the
to
the
situation,
we
have
a
pump
and
dike.
A
Then
there's
no
point
to
have
this
drain
as
it
stands,
because
it's
not
operating
as
it
should
have
been
so
once
once
it
was
discovered
that
we
would
likely
get
to
a
point
where
we
could
get
approval
from
DFO
and
our
BCA
and
all
the
other
groups
like
MN
are,
is
also
involved
in
that
Waymon
her
correct,
no
yeah
there
was
a
decision
made
to
to
move
forward
with
the
report.
The
way
the
frustrating
thing
about
section
78
of
the
drainage
act
is
that
it
requires
nobody
to
really
ask
for
work.
A
The
city
itself
can
make
a
decision
on
to
itself
to
to
appoint
an
engineer
and
create
the
report
and
start
that
process.
You
know,
I
would
argue
that
something
should
probably
been
done
back
in
the
1990's.
It
wasn't
so
we're
left
to
what
we
have
today.
Section
78
I'll,
just
read
it
because
I
know
that
there's
you're,
not
the
only
one
to
comment
on
on
the
establishment
of
this,
so
section
78
one
if
a
drainage
works
has
been
constructed
under
bylaw,
pastor
to
this
act
or
any
predecessor
of
this
act.
A
So
of
course
the
cranberry
Creek
had
been,
and
the
council
miss
pouty
that
is
responsible
for
maintaining
and
repairing
the
drainage
works,
considers
it
appropriate
to
undertake
one
or
more
of
the
project
listed
in
some
section,
1.1
for
the
better
use,
maintenance
or
repair
of
the
drainage
works
or
of
lands
or
roads.
The
Missa
pallet
II
may
undertake
and
complete
the
project
in
accordance
with
the
reports
of
an
engineer
appointed
by
it
and
without
the
petition
required
by
section
4.
A
So
that's
that's
a
situation
where
even
just
a
couple
landowners
could
come
to
us
and
say
they
want
something
and
we
would
have
to
go
through
that
process.
If
we
don't,
then
I
think
you
know
it
would.
It
would
bare
reason
that
the
city
should
abandon
the
drain.
So
that's
really
where
it
came
at
that
the
there
was
a
decision
by
the
most
impacted
landowners
to
move
forward
with
this,
and
then
every
subsequent
meeting
from
June
or
from
December
of
23
September
of
2014
was
through
the
drainage
act
process.
A
Aside
from
maybe
just
a
couple
points
where
we
had
a
landowner
asking
for
updates
as
to
where
we
were
at
in
the
process
and
of
course,
a
lot
of
times,
we
were
waiting
for
where
the
other
agencies
were
reviewing
it.
So
the
the
I
think
December
of
sorry
January
of
2015
was
a
meeting
to
consider
and
that
was
held
in
north
core
and
I
know.
A
B
So
I
was
at
the
meeting
Scott
and
nobody.
It
never
never
never
made
an
impression
on
me
because
they've
consultant
was
there,
he
kind
of
reviewed
what
was
done
in
the
previous
report
from
1990.
He
said
well
because
it
was
only.
It
was
just
kind
of
a
very
quick
and
quick
review
that
they
were
just
kind
of
updating,
based
on
that
19,
his
1990
or
91
or
92
report.
But
nobody
mentioned
that
the
council
had
approved
over
$300,000
to
do
a
full
study,
and
this
was
part
of
it.
B
Nobody
mentioned
that
a
full
study
and
the
engineer
didn't
even
say
that
he
was
going
to
start
to
engage
in
a
full
engineering
study
of
the
drain
at
that
time.
So
it's
a
part
of
a
process.
I,
don't
guess
you
can
say
it
was
I'm
just
saying
it
should
have
told
us
at
that
meeting
that
this
consultant
has
been
hired
by
the
city
and
will
be
undertaking
a
full
engineering
study
of
the
drainage
area,
and
this
meeting
is
part
of
that
process.
Please
provide
input.
B
Nobody
mentioned
that
that
already
the
study
was
already
been
funded
and
was
already
underway.
That
was
some
vein
is
just
part
of
the
process.
It
should
have
been
told
at
that
time.
At
least
I
left
the
impression
that
this
was
just
kind
of
being
left,
because
it
was
just
kind
of
a
little
information
session.
Oh
it's
part
of
the
process.
I
think
clarity
is
communication
and
clarity
is
important,
but
the
other
parts
of
my
studies
still
stand.
B
A
G
Good
morning,
gentlemen,
I'm
a
property
owner
on
the
Paden
train,
just
east
of
fourth
line,
where
the
Paden
train
crosses
fourth
line.
Earlier,
a
little
over
60%
of
my
property
is
provincially.
Significant
wetlands
I've
been
told
that
the
proposal
would
drain
those
lands
and
I
would
no
longer
have
wetlands.
There,
I've
had
them
since
I
moved
there
in
1988
and
I.
Don't
use
the
land
it's
just
there,
and
you
know
how
important
wetlands
are
to
people.
So,
what's
the
with
the
draining
of
those
lands,
we
lose.
G
Those
wetlands
and
I
get
absolutely
no
benefit
from
it
because
I
don't
use
the
land.
The
soil
on
the
land
is
not
acceptable
for
agriculture,
so
in
one
of
the
previous
gentleman
mentioned
that
we
don't
know
what
benefits
are
to
accrue
in
this
case,
I
lose
something
I,
don't
think,
that's
appropriate.
The
study
I've
had
four
or
five
pages
of
questions
and
concerns
that
I
submitted
to
the
city.
G
Now,
primarily,
the
report
has
to
deal
with
two
significant
criteria
to
be
judged
successful.
It
has
to
be
fair
for
all
and
the
process
that
is
undertaken
to
approve
the
report
is
democratic.
I
am
a
little
skeptical,
whether
either
of
those
criteria
have
been
met
and
I
leave
judgment
to
that
final
judgment.
To
that
until
I
see
the
answers
to
the
questions
that
I
submitted,
but
at
this
point
I
don't
think
either
question
is
either
criteria
has
been
met.
The
previous
the
one
on
the
one
on
is
the
process
Democratic.
G
A
couple
of
the
previous
speakers
spoke
on
on
that
particularly
I.
Would
second
that,
because
a
lot
of
these
meetings,
I
wasn't
invited
to
I
was
property
owner
at
the
time
of
1990,
for
example,
I
did
not
get
that
report.
If
I
had
seen
that
report,
I
would
remember
it
I'm
sure
the
other
meetings
in
regard
to
the
current
report-
I
didn't
get
and
I
certainly
didn't
get
over
those
four
or
five
years
that
the
report
has
been
developed.
G
I
didn't
get
a
summary
from
the
city
saying
that
look
out
guys
you're
going
to
be
charged
the
hell
of
a
lot
of
money,
a
million
six
hundred
thousand
I,
never
thought
drains
could
be
that
expensive,
I
have
in
my
possession
two
annual
or
two
maintenance
projects
on
the
Paden
drain
that
I
paid
and
I
had
no
problem
with
that.
Like
$400,
two
of
them
over
30
years,
I
was
really
surprised
that
the
cost
of
1.6
million
I
mean
that
is
a
lot
of
money
and
I
wasn't
aware
of
it.
G
It
wasn't
in
any
printed
material
sent
to
me.
There
was
no
summary
of
what
was
going
on
and
what
was
to
come
in
the
current
situation.
We're
not
told
what
the
future
costs
of
the
pumping
station
will
be,
which
will
be
added
to
me
each
year
bill
to
me
each
year
the
cost
of
clearing
out
the
Paden
drain,
which
drains
into
cranberry
creek
drain
that
will
be
added
to
my
bill.
G
All
of
these
costs-
they're
not
they're,
not
mentioned
I
got
I'm
on
the
hook
for
over
$11,000
for
my
property,
just
for
the
pump
house
and
cranberry
Creek
maintenance.
You
know
just
the
first
part
of
it
and
the
future
costs
I,
don't
know
what
they
are
now,
that's
what
I
say:
I
mean
charge,
assess
and
I
know
the
assessment
issues
are
coming
up
in
the
quarter
revision,
but
this
is
the
unfairness
of
it.
Is
it
fair
at
all
that
I
pay,
11,000,
plus,
plus
plus
plus,
and
received
no
economic
benefit,
I?
G
Think
one
of
the
other
speakers
was
interested
in
knowing
what
the
economic
benefits
would
be
as
well,
but
in
normally
you
look.
This
is
the
cost
of
the
project.
Here's
the
added
accrued
benefits
is
one
bigger
than
the
other.
We
don't
know.
All
we
have
is
the
costs,
and
in
my
case
there
are
no
benefits.
I
suspect,
that's
the
case
for
other
people
as
well.
A
Can
you
send
it
because
you
had
not
sent
that
to
me,
you
should
have
got
it.
I
gave
it
to
Aaron,
we
don't
have
I,
don't
have
any
questions.
I've
got
a
lot
of
questions
from
your
neighbors,
but
I
don't
have
any
questions
from
naira
got
anything
from
you.
So
if
you
can
email
that
to
me
that
would
help
I
know
I,
believe
you
got
it
too.
She.
G
Well,
it
was,
she
said
that
she
would
distribute
it.
Some
of
the
questions,
technical
question
and
assessment
questions
get
mixed
up,
so
it
was
difficult
to
split
them
up,
but
she
was
going
to
take
care
and
send
it
to
the
people
that
she
thought
would
be
responsible
for
replying
I
thought.
You'd
get
one,
but.
A
As
your
counselor,
you
can
just
flip
it
to
me
anytime.
You
want
I'll,
leave
you
this
one
here,
that's
great,
because
it
helps
because
we
can,
you
know,
there's
some
answers.
I
might
already
have,
but
then
also
I
can
work
with
staff
to
make
sure
that
you
get
the
answers.
You
looking
for
I
can't
guarantee
you're
going
to
like
every
answer,
but
we
can
make
sure
that
we
answer
the
questions
so
at
least
you're
comfortable
that
we've
you.
G
G
H
You
for
coming
out
just
on
the
provincially
significant
wetland,
I
missed,
do
you
maintain?
Have
you
maintained
ownership
over
those
lands
that
are
designated
violence
since
1988?
Yes,
since
1988
and
is
the
the
is
the
assessed
value
that
you're
receiving?
Is
the
assessment
based
on
the
inclusion
of
those
of
those
lands?
Do.
H
G
C
G
That
that's
just
icing
on
the
cake
for
me.
I
was
happy
to
have
that
land
just
the
way
it
was
and
not
use
it.
It's
just
sure
I
don't
use
it.
I
can't
get
to
it
because
it's
wet
anyway
I've
been
tried
to
get
from
MNR
at
what
point
I
would
lose
that
subsidy
and
they
they
haven't,
got
back
to
me
yet
on
exactly
how
that
works.
It's
a
little.
H
Bit
off
topic-
and
you
know
far
be
it
for
me
to
to
you-
know:
I,
don't
know
you
I,
don't
hear
land
too
much.
I
know
it
my
way.
Some
folks
have
actually
taken
lands.
They
can't
use
and
made
donated
them
to
various
conservation
groups,
getting
a
tax
benefit
for
the
donation,
and
then
it
would
relieve
you
of
any
costs
that
might
be
levied
towards
you
for
the
benefit
from
these
lands.
Just
something
you
may
want
to
talk
to
your
accountant
about
whoever.
H
A
A
I
was
busy
playing
on
the
schoolyard,
so
I
cannot
I
cannot
guarantee
you
what
took
place
over
a
second-line
road,
but
no
so
it's
it
would
be
yeah.
So
I'll,
just
just
just
a
point
that
perhaps
the
fear
that
you
have
will
not
be
realized.
Since
the
pump
was
operational
when
your
land
was
previously
PSW
horse
all
depends
on
the
height
it.
G
A
J
For
the
opportunity
to
speak,
I
am
mr.
Severin's,
next-door
neighbor
and
his
concerns
basically
are
my
concerns.
I've
seen
his
questions,
you
think
they're
all
valid
I
think
they
all
need
to
be
answered.
Part
of
my
my
problems
with
the
the
survey
or
the
study
is
it.
It
process
seems
to
have
been
very
secretive.
There
seem
to
be
many
many
meetings.
Nonetheless,
we're
aware
of
mr.
seven
wasn't
aware
of
it.
I
wasn't
aware
of
it.
J
J
We
all
know
that
hydros
gone
down,
so
you
know
we're
gonna
reap
the
benefits
for
about
two
or
three
years,
and
then
it's
going
to
shoot
through
the
roof.
What's
the
cost
of
running
this
pump,
how
many
hours
is
the
pump
going
to
run?
What's
the
longevity
of
the
pump
there's
a
second
pump,
that's
coming,
possibly
there's
there's
room,
that's
been
made
for
it.
What's
the
cost
of
that
pump,
you
know,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
that
just
seem
to
be
missing.
J
You
know
and
once
again,
I'm
on
the
paid
and
drain
once
this
once
this
drain
gets
cleaned
out
and
the
people
that
are
farther
up
paid
or
they
are,
we
gonna,
be
hit
with
another
cost
to
clean
out
the
Paden
drain.
You
know
if
we're
gonna
do
a
study.
I
would
urge
you
to
not
to
go
forward
with
this
study
until
it's
all
been
done
and
all
been
taken
care
of,
because
I
think
we're
only
getting
part
of
the
story
and
I
have
big
concerns
about
that,
and
especially
like
I
said
I'd
like
seeing
mr.
J
A
All
right,
thank
you
for
that.
I
know
that
I
don't
want.
The
big
concerns
he's
come
up
multiple
times
the
whole
Democratic
nature.
The
reason
why
I
read
that
section
78,
because
you
can
tell
it's
it's
not
Democratic
I,
have
I've
only
been
counsel
for
seven
years,
but
we've
I've
dealt
with
a
few
musical
drains,
Dave
Adams
Dowdle
to
a
lesser
extent,
upper
flow
and
Creek,
because
it
was
canceled
before
one
time,
but
all
of
them
do
you
have
the
the.
A
Relationship
similar
in
that
they're,
not
democratic,
it's
it's
I,
get
how
frustrating
that
can
be
no
fruit.
For
me,
you
know
easy
decision
for
me
would
be
if
they
are
democratic.
There's
three
hundred
people
in
the
in
the
watershed
you
know:
if
twenty
people
want
it
to
or
native
people,
don't
want
it
and
I
just
vote
against
it,
but
that's
not
the
way
the
drainage
Act
was
created.
Okay,.
J
J
A
J
A
J
A
A
Anyone
assess
everyone
in
this
room.
I
know
this.
Anyone
assess
over
a
thousand
dollars
can
put
that
out
over
ten
years
time,
so
you're.
In
essence,
what
you'd
be
faced
with
is
looking
at
assessment
payment
from
twenty
twenty
two
to
twenty
thirty
to
twenty
thirty
one
or
so
is
what
you'd
be
looking
at.
It
want
to
make
sure
people
are
it.
A
E
It
was
flooded
through
the
throat
to
summer
for
pretty
much
the
three
months
and
that's
that
affects
her
car
lifestyle
or
income
by
a
huge,
huge
portion
so
and
I
know,
there's
neighbor
neighbors
that
have
significant
wetlands
and
there
are
I,
think
species
on
that
on
that
wetlands
that
I've
been
there
for
a
long
time
that
aren't
water,
don't
like
water
for
long
for
your
time,
but
they
are,
they
are
there
so
I
think
previous
to
1990.
Their
pump
was
in
there
and
that's
not.
E
I
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
German
lady
I
have
to
commend
the
engineers
for
a
great
report.
I
was
quite
impressed
with
the
detail
and
so
forth.
I'm
also
a
farmer,
a
landowner
I
make
my
living
growing
crops
and
trying
to
feed
my
family
and
it'd
be
great.
If
you
can
get
this
dam
installed
and
get
things
going
this
summer,
but
I
think
that
would
be
totally
amazing
but
probably
not
possible
soon.
You
get
it
in
the
better.
I
I
lose
probably
more
more
money
every
year
than
any
of
these
homeowners
would
probably
pay
in
their
assessment
values
so
and
I'm
I'm
happy
to
pay.
What
my
share
is
going
to
be
for
the
drain,
and
it's
big
so
but
I
can
farm
efficiently.
I
can
keep
the
nutrients
and
fertilizer
and
pesticides
where
they
ought
to
be
is
on
the
land,
not
in
the
water,
so
I
think
there's
huge
environmental
benefits.
I
Looking
at
wetlands
there's
only
one
thing,
but
wetlands
are
not
going
to
feed
the
population
of
the
world.
Agriculture
is
I.
Think
people
have
to
remember
that
farmers
feet
cities
and
we
grow
your
food.
So
if
you
want
your
food
to
stay
cheap,
we
got
to
be
able
to
drain
our
land,
so
we
can
produce
crop
efficiently.
Thank
you
very
much.
L
Thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
up
front,
I
am
I,
am
on
board
completely
with
getting
this
project
underway.
I'm
a
landowner
farmer
along
the
drain,
as
we
stand
today,
riddle
or
practice
Canada
is
running
water
on
the
Rideau
River
they're,
trying
to
get
the
water
level
down,
maintain
it
to
the
winter
level.
L
If
we
look
at
the
water
level
at
the
third
line,
where
the
Crown
River
crosses
a
third
line
right
now,
the
water
is
a
meter
higher
than
the
summer
level
on
the
thesauri,
the
winter
level,
on
the
Rideau
River,
so
we're
talking
over
through
three
feet
of
water
and
that
that
water
is
not
able
to
get
out
if
drive
up
the
road.
You
look
at
Stevens
Creek.
C
I
L
E
E
L
If
we
want
to
really
talk
numbers,
everybody
here,
that's
got
firm
that
could
talk,
numbers
and
I'm
talking
numbers
of
losses.
I
don't
want
to
pay
my
ear,
my
amount
but
I'm
going
to
pay
it
I
want
to
pay
it
because
I
don't
want
to
be
faced
year
after
year
with
losses,
because
losses
are
no
good
for
anybody.
L
K
K
That's
that's
happened
back
in
13,
we
lost
acres
of
yellow
and
green
beans,
we're
into
vegetables,
not
field
crops
like
some
of
the
other
lads.
So
we
grow
many
different
vegetables
and
it's
flooded
at
acres
of
yellow
and
green
beans,
and
we
have
strawberries
on
this
farm
too,
and
we
need
better
drainage,
better,
clean
out
of
the
system,
the
wetlands
that
are
down
fourth
line
I,
don't
believe
I've
always
been
there.
I
think
there
are
artificially
to
some
extent
artificially
made.
K
If
you
go
down
there
and
look,
there
are
a
lot
of
hardwoods
in
that
area
and
they
don't
they
don't
like
wetlands.
They
don't
normally
grow
in
wetlands,
so
I
don't
leave
all
that
land
is
wetlands,
so
something
to
follow
up
with
Doug
I
agree.
You
can't
just
put
your
water
out
in
the
ditch
and
you're
done
with
it.
It's
not
it's
not
that
simple.
K
You
can't
flood
your
neighbor's
downstream
and
that's
just
common
sense,
as
other
people
have
said,
yeah
it's
a
it's
a
big
bill
and
you
know
we
don't
necessarily
want
to
pay
for
it,
but
we've
got
to
get
something
in
place
here.
I,
don't
think
that
the
real
River
is
going
to
be
dredged
and
and
they're
going
to
lower
their
levels.
So
we've
got
to
do
something
to
to
be
able
to
get
on
to
our
land
and
farm
it
productively.
K
A
Thank
you
sword.
You
have
a
number
of
things
I
wanted
to.
So
that's
it
for
the
for
the
speakers.
I'm
have
any
questions
from
members
of
committee,
okay,
so
I'm,
let's
go
through
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made
here,
see
I.
Think
some
of
the
things
we'll
have
to
get
back
to
I
know
in
most
of
these
cases,
I
think
we
have
the
concert.
Information
for
the
folks
that
were
bringing
for
concern,
especially
certainly
with
mister
7
I,
think,
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
needs
to
be
kind
of
gone
through.
A
A
So
just
a
one
of
the
comments
when
the
first
comments
was
talking
about
areas,
you
know
further
removed
from
crime
area,
Creek,
of
course,
there's
what
six
or
seven
branches
that
feed
into
the
cranberry
Creek.
It
was
the
notion.
That's
that
improvements
on
on
the
creek
itself
might
not
actually
create
improvements
further
out,
so
on
Peden
on
Payton
Road
area.
A
C
Right
now,
the
obviously
the
pump
station
in
place
to
lower
the
water
level,
but
the
maintenance
of
cranberry
Creek
drain,
which
on
call
that
profile
some
areas
in
there
that
there's
a
meter
to
a
meter
and
a
half
a
material
that
has
built
up.
So
as
a
result
of
that,
all
of
the
the
side
drains,
including
the
Paden
drain,
is,
is
controlled
as
well.
So
that
I
know
there
was
some
maintenance
done
on
the
Payton
drain.
Within
the
last
four.
C
I
expect
it
could
only
be
maintained
through
the
present
level
of
obstructions
in
Cranberry
Creek.
So
I
can't
sit
here
today
and
say
that
all
of
those
concerns
will
be
taken
care
of.
But
what
can
happen
is
then
the
other
drains,
whether
it's
a
Paden
drain,
mcfadden
drain
Shepherd's
branch
can
all
be
maintained
and
definitely
will
improve
situations
over
what
is
now
because
the
outlet
will
be
more
adequate
to
to
accept
a
greater
amount
of
drainage.
A
So
to
that
to
to
a
comment
that
was
later
as
well
with
all
those
drains
with
that
with
that
full
area
with
the
time
it
takes
to
drain
I
know
that
when
we
have
large
large
rainfalls
in
especially
the
subject
in
the
the
area
requiring
drainage,
as
he
would
call
it
in
the
original
engineer's
report,
that
area
takes
quite
a
long
time
to
drain
and
how
you
go
up
lockheed
road.
There
was
ditches
there
on
the
old
through
the
begs.
The
old
begs
land
that
used
to
be
right
down
at
the
bottom.
A
C
Now,
that's
that
would
be
as
a
result
of
a
fairly
significant
rainfall
event
and
just
to
be
clear,
the
the
pump
the
winter
is
pumps
are
can
be
operating
in
the
winter,
so
the
winter
situations
would
be
very
different.
So
the
intent
is
to
get
that
water
level
down
or
keep
it
down
in
in
those
normal
frequent
summer.
Events
which
is
really
what
causes
a
big
problem
for
crops
once
they
get
growing
of.
A
Course
because
I
mean
other
the
situation
in
2013
the
major
concern
there
was
that
the
lands
had
been
planted,
and
then
we
had
the
rain
event.
I
think
it
was
May
26th
2013
that
caused
a
lot
of
the
flooding
and
then
a
lot
of
the
crops
washed
out
so
yeah.
So,
while
I
can't,
while
I
won't
impact
as
much
the
spring
runoff
spring
Frechette
it'll.
Definitely
the
intent
of
course
of
the
drain
is
to
help
with
the
keep
the
crops
dry,
one
after
they've
been
planted,
so
I
think
another.
A
Some
other
concerns
I
think
there's
more
work
that
needs
I.
Think
specifically
yourself.
Mr.
Franklin
likely
some
direct
discussion
with
property
owners.
Mr.
Johnston
I
think
some
of
the
landowners
I
know,
there's
a
there's,
a
specific
property
owner
on
Paden
near
mr.
Cole.
Well,
that
has
a
concern
about
where
their
water
goes.
That's
gonna
require
a
site
visit.
C
C
E
C
Well
part
of
the
as
a
good
question,
part
of
the
reason
for
having
essentially
two
pump
containers
that
we
call
it
that
or
one
with
the
pump
in
which
will
be
the
operating
pump
in
the
case
of
a
situation
you
describe,
a
temporary
pump
could
be
brought
in
to
to
operate
while
the
the
other
pump
is
being
repaired.
So
that
gets
two
reasons
for
that.
Second
chamber:
one
is
just
exactly
that
if
there
is
a
situation
where
the
pump
breaks
down
during
the
operating
season
that
a
temporary
pump
can
be
brought
in
and
installed.
C
Secondly,
if
we
find
over
time
that
you
know
there
is
a
need
for
additional
pump
capacity,
there
is
a
cost
and
just
to
to
comment
made
earlier.
If
a
additional
pump
was
going
to
be
installed
permanently,
it
would
have
to
go
through
a
similar
process.
So
there
would
be
a
report
update
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
now,
but
we
thought
it
was
important,
but
the
temporary
pump
option
is
there
and
I
would
suggest
and
I've
thought
of
per
say.
Is
it
likely?
C
M
E
A
A
E
Next
question
is
like
I
thought.
There
was
some
very
good
questions
raised
here
today.
Would
it
be
a
good
idea
to
delay
this
report
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
answer
those
questions
for
those
people,
or
are
you
recommending
that
we
go
ahead
and
approve
this
report
with
the
understanding?
You're
gonna
get
these
folks
their
answers
before
this
goes
too
far.
C
Yes,
I
would
recommend
that
you
proceed
to
approve
the
report
recommend
to
council
the
questions
in
the
the
one
list.
The
long
list
of
questions
came
in
early
this
week
now
to
be
fair,
we've
had
several
discussions
with
mr.
Severn
over
a
number
of
weeks.
They've
been
verbal,
but
and
a
lot
of
the
lot
of
points
in
the
questions
aren't
ones
that
we
can
answer
as
a
drainage
engineer
and
I
and
I
don't
want
this
to
sound
incorrect,
but
I.
Don't
think
they're
pertinent
to
this
project
going
ahead.
H
C
I,
don't
think
like
mr.
Johnson's
we've
commented,
I
talked
to
her,
but
he
has
a
culvert.
We
are
part
of
our.
Our
design
includes
a
culvert
crossing
for
his
property
number
17
and
the
right.
Now
the
the
dike
is
not
accessible
because
it's
got
a
big
hole
in
it,
but
when
we're
finished,
the
dike
will
be
reinstated
and
one
of
the
things
we're
going
to
look
at
is
is.
Is
there
need
for
access
across
that
to
the
south
side
of
it?
So
good.
E
Thank
you,
Thank
You,
mr.
chair
and
I
just
heard
one
of
the
other
presenters
talk
about
the
new
technology
and
and
I'm
not
most
familiar
with
reader
Valley,
but
I
know
Mississippi
Valley
Conservation
had
received
funding
from
the
provincial
government
to
do
some
new
map
in
since
the
last
flood
and
I
was
hopeful.
I
never
have
to
talk
about
floods
again,
but
never
the
last
week.
E
So
so,
what's
funding
available
from
the
provincial
government
to
Mississippi
Valley
Conservation
to
outline
some
of
the
as
you
talked
about
new
technology
and
a
new
map
and
has
read
of
Valley
Conservation
have
similar
or
does
anyone
know?
If,
because
we
heard
you
have
some
new
technology
that
Reza's
never
heard
about
before?
What's
so.
M
Lighter
is
available,
the
city
has
lighter
counselor
and
does
use
it
as
well.
There's
some
shortcomings
with
lighter
it's
a
laser.
Basically,
a
laser
surface,
top
topography,
type
mapping.
It
doesn't
look
below
below
the
surface,
so
it
doesn't
look
below
the
water.
It
doesn't
look
below
the
ground
either,
so
you
don't
see
any
tile
systems,
any
sub
drainage.
So
there's
a
few
shortcomings
and
it's
Andy
alluded
to
it's
very
important
that
you
use
that
as
a
tool,
but
you
need
to
feel
truth.
M
These
look
at
topographic
maps
and
actually
get
it
in
the
field
and
confirm
some
of
this.
So
lidar
is
it's
a
new
technology,
it's
a
very
good
technology,
but
it
has
its
limits
and
it's
a
desktop
sort
of
analysis.
It
needs
to
be
it's
it's
part
of
it,
though
the
overall
surveying
process,
but
it's
it's
just
a
new
tool.
We
do
have
access
to
that.
We
do
use
it
yet.
Thank.
A
M
A
I
just
wanted
I
think
I.
Think
many
of
the
comments.
Many
of
the
points
like
the
things
that
are
gonna
be
have
to
get
brought
up
at
quarter
revision
if
they
come
down
to
to
cost.
They
come
down
to
distribution
of
assessments,
certainly
the
the
matter
of
negligence
on
behalf
of
the
township
and
then
eventually
the
city,
just
as
a
responsibility
to
maintain
drains.
You
know,
should
we
have
forced
this
issue
earlier
on.
We
obviously
have
the
right
to
under
Section
78.
A
We
didn't
I
think
that's
something
that
needs
to
bear
consideration,
but
that's
not
that's
not
for
this
committee
to
decide
at
this
point,
but
on
one
aspects.
Mr.
McGregor
brought
up
the
benefit
to
landowners
is
being
like,
there's
a
clear
benefit
to,
certainly
under
so
that
there's
no
question
we
talked
about.
I
talked
about
water.
Obviously
the
notion
that
all
the
water
and
this
watershed
flows
to
hear
the.
Obviously
you
bear
some
responsibility.
C
What
we
we
do-
and
we've
developed
this
over
a
number
of
years
to
be
as
objective
as
possible
and
doing
the
assessments,
so
the
main
things
we
take
into
account
our
land
use
agricultural
land
use
a
factor
of
1
wetlands.
We
use
a
factor
of
0.5
for
half
of
farmland
roads
for
sometimes
more
so
the
principle
there
is
that
the
the
heart
is
the
surface.
The
more
runoff
you'll
have.
C
So
that's
one
of
the
things
and
we
look
at
the
distance
from
the
drain
and
we
draw
a
series
of
lines
emanating
out
two
hundred
six
hundred
a
thousand
and
we
put
a
factor
again,
the
first
one
up
to
two
hundred
yards
there's
a
factor
of
1,
then
0.75
and
then
0.6
and
0.4.
So
the
further
you
are
away
from
the
drain.
That
has
an
impact
on
your
assessment
and
then
I
guess
the
other
main
area
is
the
land.
C
C
I
think
a
comment
was
made
about
the
drainage
act,
being
democratic,
I,
think
I,
guess
it
depends
where
you
come
from
on
that,
but
I
think
part
of
the
idea
of
the
drainage
act
initially
developed
is
that
it
would
enable
landowners
who
have
you
know,
majority
land
or
the
majority
of
land
owners.
A
couple
of
options
can
petition
now
in
this
case
this
is
this
drains
already
exists,
and
it
has
coexisted
was
wetland
since
1895.
So
it's
not
new
in
that
regard.
C
A
A
You
heard
some
of
the
property
owners
that
are
in
favor
of
this.
That
would
like
work
to
to
occur
in
2018.
In
fairness,
the
process,
the
appeal
process
likely
doesn't
allow
that
to
happen,
which
is
why
I
mentioned
2019
is
likely
for
construction.
If
we
get
to
that
point,
I
don't
feel
that
we
should
that
we
should
delay
as
a
result,
I
think
this
is
something
that
the
city
I
think
a
delay
would
just
be
for
the
negligence
on
behalf
of
the
city.
A
This
is
something
that
should
have
been
done
years
ago.
It
wasn't
in
Knight,
say
I
want
from
what
I
understand
it
was
a
cost
issue
back
then,
obviously,
can't
speak
to
what
occurred
back
then
or
why
the
decision
was
made.
I
think
it
was
a
bit
of
a
bargain
compared
to
what
we're
looking
at
today,
but
such
as
life.
Things
changed
dramatically
in
the
musical
draining
process
back
in
2006-2007,
in
terms
of
costing
in
terms
of
environmental
investigations
which
led
to
increased
costs.
A
We've
seen
that
on
a
numerous
train
since
that
time,
so
I
recommend
that
we
that
we
move
forward
I
think
a
lot
of
the
comments
and
I
obviously
encourage
those
who
spoke
today
to
come
the
quarter
vision.
You
know
if
you
have
concern
with
your
assessment,
make
that
appeal
make
that
appeal
known
to
our
community
coordinator
mark
Sharda
and
make
it
known
to
myself
Andy
Dave,
so
that
we
can
have
that
quarter
vision.
A
So
you
can
make
those
appeals,
because
I
think
that's
that's
the
time
that
we
can
seriously
consider
the
issues
that
we've
seen
over
the
past
twenty
seven
years.
Certainly
the
negligence
issues,
so
I
I
don't
have
much
more
than
that.
I
think
that's
I,
think
we,
you
know
between
now
and
March.
28Th
I'll
work
with
staff,
with
the
engineer
to
ensure
that
we're
getting
responses
to
the
folks
that
have
brought
things
forward
and.
A
So
the
report
recommends
that
the
agricultural
rural
affairs
committee
recommend
that
council
adopt
the
engineer's
report
prepared
by
Robinson
consultants
incorporated
entitled
engineer's
report,
cranberry
Creek
immiscible,
drain
modifications,
improvements
and
maintenance,
dated
December
2017
and
give
first
and
second
reading
to
the
bylaw
attached.
Just
document
to
this
report,
in
accordance
with
section,
is
42
and
45
of
the
drainage
act
of
Ontario
on
the
Edel
carried.
Thank
you
just
want
to
thank
everyone
for
coming
today.
For
that
sand
and
I
know.
This
isn't
the
last
time
we'll
talk
about
this.
A
I
Thank
You
mr.
chair
to
you
I,
have
an
inquiry
to
staff
as
a
natural
alternative
as
a
natural
alternative
to
snow
fences.
The
city
reimburses
farmer
to
leave
several
rows
of
corn
to
act
as
a
natural
snow
fence
along
roadways.
The
reimbursement
was
reduced
from
2.5
times
the
market
value
for
congregate.
A
I
I
A
result:
fewer
farmers
were
willing
to
leave
up
the
corn
good
stuff
identified,
the
feasibility
of
returning
to
the
former
reimbursement
model
for
leaving
up
corn
as
natural,
snow
fence
and
stuff.
Please
provide
a
financial
breakdown
for
reimbursing
farmers
for
corn
at
market
value
and
other
rates
compared
to
the
cost
of
the
purchase
and
installation
of
snow
fence
or
setter
distance
off
roadways.
I
A
A
Is
there
something
more
we
could
do
to
you
know,
provide
incentive.
I
know,
there's
a
large
concern
with
snow
fencing
when
it
comes
to
towering
lands
in
terms
of
the
stakes,
damaging
tiles.
I
know
we
have
numerous
property
owners
in
the
Richmond
area
that
have
been
concerned
about
allowing
snow
fencing
because
of
this
yet
obviously
snow,
fencing
along
roads
like
fallow
field,
road
and
eagleson
are
incredibly
important,
no
different
than
in
the
urban
area.
Green
Bank
Road
has
to
get
shut
down
in
the
winter
because
of
serious
concerns.
That's
the
federal
government
owns
that
land.
A
What
can
we
do
to
to
do
better
when
it
comes
to
snow,
fencing
to
make
sure
our
roads
are
safer?
You
know
it
likely.
Just
is
in
corn,
but
that's
again,
crops
are
cycled.
It's
corn,
one
year,
it's
soybeans
the
next
soybeans.
Don't
block
much
snow,
so
we
need
to
be
able
to
do
do
more
on
that
I
think
so.
Just
to
add
to
that
inquiry
just
about
alternative
options
if
they
could
also
be
explored
and
got
back
to
us,
maybe
it
can
become
an
agenda
item
in
the
future.
All
right!
Thank
you.
A
Any
other
business,
seeing
none
on
adjournments
carried
our
next
meeting
is
Thursday
April
5th
2018.
Please
do
not
schedule
anything
that
day
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
yeah,
April
5th
2018
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
the
site's
alteration.
Bylaw
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
an
application
development
application
in
in
Richmond
and
we're
also
going
to
be
dealing
with
a
landfill
thanks.