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Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee meeting – October 6, 2016 – Audio Stream
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A
B
A
Every
municipality
received
some
money
from
the
further
from
the
provincial
government
and
they
put
a
900
laid
on
their
homes
as
good
Township.
At
that
time
chose
to
go
with
metal
blade
instead
of
aluminium
and
on
main
road,
especially
on
main
artery,
when
the
snowplows
drive
by
and
snow
and
salt
had
those
blade,
and
they
were
also
installed
too
close
to
the
road
it
create
corrosion
and
those
blade
they've
been
rusted.
This
case
create
a
public
safety
and
our
it
give
a
hard
time
for
our
911
people
to
be
able
to
identify
the
home.
A
C
D
D
D
C
C
So
councillor
just
wants
to
clarify
that
there's
a
lot
more
Osgood
screw-ups
than
just
this
one
that
he's
been
dealing
with.
So
it's
good.
It's
good.
We
put
that
on
the
record
that
Cumberland,
reto,
Goulburn
and
West
girl
and
townships
did
not
make
such
similar
mistakes.
That's
Osgood,
mate
I,
don't
know
who
that
the
last
mayor
of
Oscar
was
but
all
right.
So
on
the
on
that
inquiry.
Is
that
received
see?
If
thank
you,
the
next
item
deals
with
the
kids'll.
C
Miss
will
drain
we're
actually
going
to,
because
the
engineer
cannot
be
here
today
unfortunately,
was
an
emergency
situation.
You
cannot
make
it
here
today.
We're
gonna
refer
that
we're
gonna
refer
that
back
to
staff
and
they're
going
to
come
back
with
it
on
November
24th,
the
November
24th
meeting
of
Agriculture
Rural
Affairs
Committee,
so
long
with
row.
Okay.
Thank
you
item
number
three
is
the
appointment
of
engineer
for
a
flowing
Creek
municipal
drain
that
the
a
cultural
affairs
committee
recommend
council
appoint
mr.
C
Andy
Robinson
Robinson
consultants
as
the
engineer
records
to
prepare
report
that
addresses
the
implications
of
a
proposed
proposed
subdivision
being
connected
to
the
existing
flowing
Creek
municipal
drain
phase,
one
under
subsection,
65,
1
and
65
5
of
the
drainage
act
as
described
in
this
report.
This
is
this
is
a
drain
that
runs
into
Richmond
and
the
development
is
a
cartel
development
on
Shay
Road,
just
right
in
the
village
inside
the
village
boundary.
So
on
the
appointment.
C
The
engineer
carried
item
number
four:
is
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
part
of
two
five
480
Pine
Road
in
Oscar
Township,
that
agricultural
affairs
committee
recommend
council
approve
an
amendment
to
zoning
bylaw
2008's,
two:
five:
zero
for
part
of
two
five:
four:
eight,
a
fine
wrote
to
permit
residential
uses,
as
shown
document
one
and
detailed
in
document
two,
and
the
second
component,
of
course,
is
the
public
consultation.
Section
of
this
report
also
be
approved
on
that
item.
Gary.
Thank
you
and
I.
Don't
number
five
and
six
I.
C
Remember
five
deals
with
Coach
houses
and
item
number.
Six
is
sort
of
a
complimentary
report
that
speaks
to
heights
for
accessory
buildings,
you're
going
to
hold
those
items
and
take
I
know
we
have
some
speakers
and
we're
gonna
get
the
presentation.
First
from
a
Lima
galas
and
Michelle
King
Michell
see
your
answer,
questions
that
need
to
be
I,
think
aliens
gonna
run
them.
E
Good
morning,
mr.
chairman
members
of
committee,
my
name
is
that
mu
gaze
I
am
going
to
present
to
you
today
the
Official,
Plan
and
Zoning
package
for
secondary
dwelling
units
in
accessory
buildings,
also
known
as
Coach
houses
with
me,
is
mr.
Michele
Kearney,
who
is
in
the
infrastructure,
planning
branch
and
he's
a
project
manager
also
a
hydrogeologist
by
trade.
E
Mr.
chairman
and
members
of
committee,
a
bit
of
background.
The
package
that
we're
presenting
to
you
today
comes
from
provincial
direction
through
changes
to
the
Planning
Act
that
directed
municipalities
to
permit
the
creation
of
a
second
dwelling
unit
in
in
houses
not
just
as
a
basement
apartment,
but
also
as
a
separate
building.
So
the
notion
which
is
being
introduced
in
Ontario
is
not
new
in
Canada.
It's
something
that
we
see,
especially
in
the
west
coast
around
the
Vancouver
area,
Victoria
Calgary
and
Edmonton
have
dabbled
with
it.
E
Ottawa
is
the
first
city
in
Ontario
to
jump
into
this.
We
are
ahead
of
Toronto
London
Kitchener
Hamilton,
the
only
other
municipality
in
Ontario
that
has
done.
This
is
the
township
of
Innisfil.
As
far
as
we
know,
but
were
the
first
municipality-
and
we
were
also
unique
in
that-
we
have,
as
we
know,
through
the
amalgamation,
the
rural,
the
suburban
and
the
urban
context,
and
our
challenge
was
to
get
it
right
for
each
of
those
three
hours.
E
Owning
already
allows
second
units
in
main
dwelling,
so
apartments
in
in
houses
basement
apartment,
says
they
were
called
they've
been
called.
Zoning
were
introducing
today,
would
allow
a
second
unit
in
an
accessory
building.
We've
called
them
coach
houses
in
Vancouver,
they're
called
laneway
houses
and
other
cities
have
other
names
for
them.
E
So,
in
a
nutshell,
that
the
coach-house
zoning
package
and
official
plan
changes
that
we're
presenting
today
would
allow
coach
houses
in
association
with
detached
semi-detached
and
duplex
dwellings
and
in
some
cases
townhouses
all
across
the
city
include
including
the
rural
area,
except
in
rock
with
bark.
It
would
permit
a
coach
house
or
a
secondary
dwelling
unit,
but
not
both
and
that's
consistent
with
the
Planning
Act
direction.
E
It
provides
for
Coach
houses
to
stay
as
accessory
to
the
main
house,
so
they
can't
be
severed
and
they
must
be
located
in
the
rear
yard.
The
idea
is
creating
a
little
house
in
a
back
yard,
so
it's
clearly
a
subsidiary
to
smaller
than
and
accessory
to
the
main
house,
and
in
order
to
achieve
that,
the
zoning
its
introduces
limits
to
the
footprint
of
the
coach
house,
it's
limited
to
40
percent
of
the
main
dwellings
footprint
or
40
percent
of
the
yard.
E
Whichever
is
less
and
then
there's
an
upper
limit
on
the
size
of
the
coach
house,
80
square
meters
in
the
urban
and
for
the
rural
95
square
meters
and
in
order
to
deal
with
issues
of
privacy,
there's
setback
requirements
and
direction.
On
where
you
can
put
windows
and
face
doors,
there's
differences
between
the
rules
and
zoning
that
we
are
proposing
between
the
urban
and
the
rural
area
and
I'll
focus
on
the
rural
area.
When
we
started
this
originally,
we
had
only
focused
the
zoning
on
the
urban,
but
through
consultation.
E
E
E
And
in
situations
of
private
services,
we
are
making
it
a
requirement
to
have
site
plan
control.
It
is
the
site
plan,
control,
light
or
rural
applications
that
is
applied
in
this
case
and
it
allows
the
city
to
require
a
hydrogeological
assessment
in
order
to
determine
the
suitability
of
private
services
in
terms
of
maximum
height
in
the
rural
area.
They
can
go
up
to
six
point
one
meter,
so
two
storeys
as
of
right
and
if
you're
doing
a
one-story
coach
house,
the
limit
would
be
four
point.
E
E
We
have
also
changes
that
are
not
in
front
of
Iraq,
but
for
information
of
committee
to
the
development
charges
by
law
and
to
the
site
plan
controlled
by
law,
as
well
as
to
the
Parkland
dedication
bylaw.
We
want
coach
houses
to
be
an
affordable
option.
Therefore,
were
exempting
coach
houses
from
parkland
dedication
or
cash
in
lieu
park.
E
E
E
It
could
have
a
garage,
it
could
be
up
to
two
stories
and
it
would
be
positioned
on
the
property
in
a
way
as
to
make
sure
that
we
avoid
the
footprint
of
an
existing
septic
system
and
in
situations
of
smaller
Lots
that
are
within
a
certain
distance
of
the
property
line
in
situations
of
larger
Lots.
That's
less
of
an
issue
in
the
in
the
rural
area.
E
C
Just
wanted
to
get
to
clarity
on
a
couple
things
to
just
go
back
to
the
the
page
where
it
says
the
changes
that
are
required
are
the
things
that
are
steps
yeah
so
before
we
go
to
both
delegations.
I
just
want
to
ask
two
questions
and
I
want
to
introduce
three
motions
that
we
have
before
us.
One
question
is
the
site
plan
control.
E
The
side
plank
control
is
an
application
that
is
needed
in
cases
where
people
wish
to
develop
coach-house
on
properties
that
have
private
servicing
and
it's
I
think
a
six
hundred
and
eighty
four
dollar
application
fee.
That
money
pays
for
city
staff
to
review
a
hydrogeological
report,
that's
produced,
and
that
would
confirm
the
issues
that
need
to
be
looked
at
in
terms
of
private
servicing.
To
make
sure
that
the
kept
the
coach-house
can
be
supported
in
accordance
to
safety.
Measures
for
water
and
wastewater
right.
C
E
C
B
Good
morning,
I
guess
it's
working!
Yes,
yes,
yes,
it
has
to
do
with
the
capacity,
but
also
with
the
I
just
want
to
add
that
it's
also
related
to
the
impact.
So
a
sewage
system
will
discharge
a
certain
level
of
contamination
that
has
certain
levels
that
are
acceptable,
so
it's
to
ensure
that
there's
enough
room
for
the
septic
and
that
the
well
has
the
capacity,
but
also
that
the
well
water
is
of
sufficient
quality
and
also
that
there,
the
impact
is
not
undue
onto
the
the
aquifer.
What.
C
But
you
don't
need
you,
don't
need
to
go
much
further
than
just
studying
the
septic
and
well
capacity
and
and
the
impacts
of
the
increased
volume
within
the
setup
system.
Correct,
correct
all
right
just
so,
just
before
we
get
to
again
before
we
get
to
delegations
I
think
we
have
to
two
delegations:
I
have
two
motions
here:
councillor
is
going
to
move
them
and
they
are
with
relation
to
height
that
permit
the
parade
of
building
heights
for
accessory
buildings,
which
is
item
number
six
in
the
agenda,
as
well
as
secondary
dwelling
units
in
accessory
buildings.
C
C
E
In
mr.
chairman,
the
report
recommended
four
meters
in
the
rural
area.
So
just
by
way
of
explanation
when
we
undertook
the
coach
houses
study,
we
had
overwhelming
amounts
of
comments
back
from
the
urban
area
and
the
suburban
area
to
also
reduce
the
size,
the
permitted
height
of
accessory
buildings
like
sheds
and
the
situation
there
was.
You
have
that
four
point.
Five
meter
permission
right
now,
which
is
in
in
denser
urban
neighborhoods.
E
It's
pretty
high
and
your
as
of
right
permission
is
to
build
four
and
a
half
meters,
and
we
wanted
to
avoid
the
situation
where
you
can
build
a
shed.
4.5
meters
then
come
in
get
a
permit
and
converted
to
coach
house.
So
we
needed
those
two
things
to
match
in
the
rural
area.
It
was
only
later
that
we
realized
that
people
were
not
actually
experiencing
that
difficulty
and
so
that
the
the
motion
that
is
in
front
of
committee
is
to
just
leave
the
height
as
it
is
at
4.5
for
a
single
story
right.
C
Because
the
comments
that
we
were
hearing
related
to
building
heights
were
strictly
related
to
the
urban
and
suburban
areas,
and
we
did
not
receive
those
same
comments
in
the
in
the
rural
area.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
the
reports
that
gets
approved
reflects
the
the
difference
in
that
in
those
two
environments
and
that
we
aren't
changing
any
any
of
the
standards
in
the
rural
area.
The
only
change
will
be
in
the
suburban
area,
reflecting
the
comments
that
were
heard
during
the
process.
Correct,
that's
right,
first
and
the
other.
C
The
other
motion,
which
is
again
complimentary,
because
the
permitted
building
heights
for
accessory
buildings
is
the
one
that
came
through
this
as
well
to
make
sure
that
those
two
were
aligned
and
that
one
says
that
for
be
resolved
that
the
following
change
made.
The
staff
report,
a
men
document
to
document
one
by
deleting
item
one
in
the
details
of
recommended
zoning
and
replacing
with
the
following
a
man
table,
fifty-five
column,
two
row:
five
by
deleting
the
words
four
point:
five
meters
and
replacing
them
with
the
words
r1
r2,
r3,
r4
and
r5.
C
Three
point:
six
meters,
with
the
height
of
the
exterior
walls,
not
to
exceed
three
point:
two
meters
in
height
and
then
v1,
v2
and
v3
zones
would
be
four
point
five
meters
and
be
further
resolved
that
no
further
notice
pursuant
to
section
34
17
of
the
Planning
Act.
So
those
two
are
before
us
we'll
deal
with
those
toward
the
end
of
of
this
item
and
instruction.
E
D
Mr.
chair
has
been
recommended
to
be
on
two
acre
lot,
so
the
motion
here
therefore
Beatriz
all
the
following:
changes
being
made
to
self
report,
amend
document
one
by
deleting
under
Part
B
the
amendment
item
and
replacing
it
with
the
following:
a
law
that,
as
0.4
hectare
or
greater
inside
as
located
in
a
rural
area
or
village
anywhere,
the
primary
dwelling
are
served
by
the
private
water
and
and
wastewater
system,
and
the
coach
houses
should
be
shared
either.
D
The
water
or
the
wastewater
system,
with
the
main
Dwalin
and
the
primary
Dwolla
is
served
by
one
public
or
communal
service,
water
or
wastewater,
and
one
private
service
on
the
coach
houses
will
be
shared
so
basically,
instead
of
having
it
just
for
the
two
acre
lot.
If
you
can
have
just
for
one
acre
lot
and
and
I
have
one
question
to
staff
and
I
like
you
to
clarify
it
before
we
sought
public
delegation
in
the
rural
area.
D
The
second
Dwalin
is
is
allowed.
The
secondary
dwellin
are
permitted
and
you
mention
it
as
well
in
your
presentation.
But
then
we
don't
have
any
restriction
on
them.
But
yet
here
we'll
put
in
all
these
rizzo
instead,
if
I
have
a
house
in
the
rural
area,
what
would
I
want
to
go
for
coach
house?
I
can
just
go
for
the
secondary
dwelling
because
that's
permitted.
So
can
you.
E
E
E
D
B
Again,
I
was
not
involved
with
the,
as
I
was
saying,
with
the
original
sort
of
allowance
of
a
secondary
dwelling
inside
the
primary
house.
What
I
was
asked
to
do
on
this
file
is
to
look
at
the
technical
aspects
of
Coach
houses,
which
is
a
second
area
separate
dwelling
altogether.
We
want
to
ensure
that
people
are
safe
in
the
long
term
that
the
water
is
of
sufficient
quality
and
that
we're
not
impacting
the
environment
to
a
point
where
it's
going
to
be
an
issue.
B
If
a
number
of
Coach
houses
in
one
area
go
in,
particularly
the
contaminant
that
you've
heard
a
lot
about
I'm
sure
and
the
rural
area
is
nitrogen.
It's
one
of
the
contaminants
there's
there
are
more
contaminants,
but
that
is
the
sort
of
an
indicator
contaminant,
because
it's
well.
It
was
a
long
time
in
the
environment
and
travels
long
distances.
B
So,
just
to
put
it
in
simple
terms,
the
nitrates
will
go
up
and
and
and
that's
sort
of
a
the
minimum
lot
size
is
in
keeping
with
the
Official
Plan
policy
that
came
in
with
Official
Plan
OPA
150,
where
minimum
lot
sizes
of
0.4
were
stipulated
and
that
was
actually
upheld
by
a
fairly
recent
Ontario
Municipal
Board
hearing.
So
this
the
minimum
lot
size
for
severance
--is
of
point
four
in
four
subdivisions
of
point.
B
Four
is
related
to
this
in
the
sense
that
we're
not
creating
new
Lots
here
existing
Lots
of
record,
but
we
are
adding
a
dwelling
unit,
so
the
effect
on
the
environment,
the
effect
on
the
ground
water
is
basically
the
same.
If
you
add
a
dwelling
unit,
then
if
you
look
at
a
seven,
so
we're
being
consistent
with
the
federal
recent
addition
to
the
Official
Plan
of
a
minimum
lot
size
of
0.4,
which
was
based
on
impact
considerations,.
D
C
F
F
So
here
we
have
the
only
situation.
That's
different
is
that
the
dwelling
is
apart
from
the
main
dwelling,
so
it's
an
external
secondary
12
as
opposed
to
an
internal
secondary
dwelling
and
they're
two
rather
onerous
conditions.
One
is
the
0.8
Hector's,
as
recommended
by
staff,
as
well
as
a
site
plan
control.
F
I,
understand
the
need
to
keep
people
safe
and
the
issue
with
the
septic
and
the
well
that
I
understand,
and
we
have
this
I
plan
control
proposal
to
deal
with
that,
which
means
we
don't
really
know
any
other
control
in
terms
of
size
of
lot
pertaining
to
well
in
septic.
So
we
have
a
belt
and
suspenders
approach
to
to
the
rural
areas
and
specifically
to
villages
where
the
lot
sizes
are
not
two
acres
and
if
you
say
well,
most
of
the
rural
villages
have
are
on
city
services
or
commune
service.
That
is
wrong.
F
F
So
we
have
a
conflict
of
policies
here
that
meets
and
that
need
to
be
resolved.
I
think
the
emphasis
on
keeping
people
safe
and
safe
drinking
water
and
not
overloading
the
the
the
ground
with
with
with
large
septic
systems
that
can't
be
dissipated,
is
correct.
So
we
have
the
hydrological
studies.
I
think
that
that
can
stay,
though
not
with
respect
to
the
size
of
the
Lots.
F
If
you
have
an
existing
lot
that
is
permitted
to
have
an
internal
secondary
dwelling
without
anything
else
to
be
done,
then
you
should
consider
what
that
impact
is
with
respect
to
the
Coach
houses.
Why
do
you
differentiate
on
that
basis?
So
that's
that's
a
particular
policy
conflict
that
you
have
in
front
of
you.
F
The
other
thing
is
why
you
know
again
why
these
owners
restrictions
to
almost
essentially
prevent
most
properties
in
rural
villages,
to
even
have
consideration
for
an
external
code
or
for
an
external
dwelling
called
a
coach
house.
I.
Think
that's
wrong
if
you're
going
to,
if
you're
going
to
have
the
argument
that
the
provincial
policy
is
to
allow
affordable
housing
and
for
families
to
have
their
their
elderly
members
live
independently.
F
F
So
I
urge
you
to
to
consider
removing
the
issue
of
a
lot
size.
If
you're
going
to
employ,
impose
a
type
line
control,
you
don't
need
both
for
that
particular
purpose.
I
think
councillor
Moffat
for
the
motion
on
on
removing
the
restrictions,
the
new
restrictions
proposed
by
staff
on
the
height
of
ancillary
buildings,
to
bring
it
back
to
or
leave
it
as
a
days
I
I
guess
that's
the
best
way
of
saying
it.
I
think
that's
the
right
way
of
doing
it.
There
were
no.
F
C
Thank
You
mr.
Bell,
sir,
just
to
be
fair
of
staff.
Their
role
was
not
to
marry
coach
houses
with
secondary
dwelling
units.
It's
something
that
we've
sort
of
latched
onto
I
think
residents
of
a
lot
of
times
you
as
as
a
clear
comparator,
but
it
was
not
staffs
direction
to
take
second
or
dwelling
units
and
create
Coach
houses,
so
they
did
come
up
with
a
different
policy.
If
we
want
to
change
that,
we
can
change
that.
But
that's
just
just
that's
what
they've
done
the
other
thing
is
they
aren't
necessary
prohibited.
C
So
if
you
own
a
half
acre
lot
in
a
village,
they
aren't
prohibited,
but
there
would
be
a
there
would
be
an
additional
process
and
and
Elaine
made
the
reference
to
that
through
committee
of
adjustments.
My
parents
would
be
required
if
you
want
to
do
it
in
a
in
an
undersized
lot.
That's
just
like
I
said
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
might
not
make
further
changes
to
that.
But
that's
it's
not
prohibited
all
right,
I!
Think
any
questions
for
the
delegation
see
you
nut.
C
G
This
is
not
spelled
out
in
the
documentation
or
in
the
Official
Plan
or
in
this
learning,
and
it
does
lead
to
a
lot
of
concern
on
the
part
of
royal
residents
that
they're
going
to
have
to
pay
upwards
of
ten
to
twenty
thousand
dollars
to
have
a
coach
house
and
and
I
found
that
disturbing
I
think
we
need
to
be
when
they're
putting
these
proposals
forward
on
what
it
is.
We
need
and
I
don't
understand
why
we
need
the
application
fee
for
staff
to
review
a
hydro.
G
study
isn't
about
their
job.
To
do
that.
G
G
G
Michael
did
refer
to
the
fact
that
he
thought
that
it
would
be
more
than
a
thousand
dollars,
but
but
we
don't
know
how
much
it
is
and
so
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
I
think
this
is
a
wonderful
opportunity
for
the
little
words
for
affordable
housing.
I
think
it's
a
very
positive
step
when
we
haven't
taken
a
long
time
for
the
rural
areas
and
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
people
deterred
from
having
these
because
they're
afraid
I'll
just
want
to
say
one
thing:
I'm.
C
H
H
D
D
This
is
where
the
province
actually
Direction
is
and
well
what
I'm,
having
a
little
bit
of
a
struggling
here
to
understand
a
we
need
to
make
sure
everything
saving
and
then,
though,
but
I,
fail
to
understand
within
the
same
policy,
one
would
allow
second
early
dwelling
without
any
of
those
condition,
and
one
will
add
most
of
that
with
that
with
the
coach
houses,
so
I'm
trying
to
say
so.
So
that
mean
we
can
just
say
and
I'm
not
sure.
D
If
you
agree
with
that,
Mahad
forget
about
Coach
shots
just
go
to
second
well
and
then,
and
and
is
that
something
they
have
mean
I
like
the
idea,
if
they
have
some
checks
in
balance
and
I,
think
Klaus
and
I
were
talking
earlier
at
how
important
it
is
to
make
sure
potable
water
away
from
Seward.
If
it's
a
nitrate,
this
is
something
we're
all
concern
about
and
want
to
make
sure
we
get
it
right,
but
I,
don't
diss
that
we
have
so
many
restriction
on
one
and
the
other
one
can
easily
be
without
restriction.
G
G
Anyone
is
less
honest
than
any
other
one,
but
but
I
would
hope
that
they
would
not
be
put
in
a
position
because,
as
you
counselor
solitary
living
area,
people
are
very
dependent
there
and
they
enjoy
their
independence,
even
as
they
age
like
me,
and
a
secondary
dwelling
I
think
would
allow
them
to
continue
that
independence,
yet
have
maybe
their
children,
or
maybe
somebody
asked
those
by
for
for
safety,
just
a
corner
to
learn
on
the
health
and
the
safety
I.
Think
generally,
what
the
city
of
Iowa
would
be
better
after
you
is.
G
With
a
program
that
would
allow
people
to
ensure
that
their
their
sisters
are
safe
and
that's
not
to
say
that
they
were
doing
and
I
believe
they
do.
That
and
I
am
uncomfortable
when
I
perceive
that
the
city
is
suggesting
its
own
or
suggesting
it,
but
it.
But
it's
the
way
that
I
read
it,
that
private
system
is
are
less
safe
of
thinking
and
and
public
systems.
G
I,
don't
believe
there
are
I
mean
I
did
have
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
some
people
that
deal
with
updates
and
with
well
and
they've
assured
me
that
through
you
know
no
expensive
tests,
we
can
make
sure
that
that
it
there
anyway
traits
their
failure
to
a
page.
I
need
counselor
about
the
difference
between
secondary
Delaney
inside
and
outside
of
the
house
might
be
a
couple
with
children
and,
as
we
all
know,
a
children
after
we
come
home
and
I
believe
our
children's
story
that
you
use
that
we're
putting
additional
evade
by
those
private
systems.
G
So
it
happens,
but
it
should
be
up
to
the
owner
of
the
property
owner
to
understand
what
the
capacity
is
of
their
systems.
And
we
should
have
the
opportunity
to
ensure
that
those
systems
are
safe
and
what
we
should
be
doing
is
if
there
is
a
concern
that
when
traits
they
having
some
opportunity
for
the
homeowner
to
have
that
tested
without
the
city
having
to
reveal
what
any
data
properly
or
not.
C
A
third
speaker
that
registered
heather
pearl
with
the
federation
of
citizens
associations.
I
know
you've
sent
in
something
at
least
to
me
just
this
morning
regarding
this,
and
I
believe,
you'll
be
speaking
at
planning
committee
next
week
when
it
comes
to
there.
But
thank
you
for
coming
in.
You
have
five
minutes.
Thank.
H
You
actually
let
me
first
say
that
we
think
that
the
coach
hoses
might,
in
its
current
form,
be
fine
for
the
rural
area,
but
that
should
be
decided
by
the
rural
area
in
full
consultation
with
them
having
their
coach
cho's
bylaw
apply
all
over.
The
city,
though,
is
a
real
problem
for
us,
because
we
are
really
keen
on
preserving
the
environment
within
the
urban
area.
As
you
know,
cities
are
heat
sinks
and
they
are
well
the
the
bad
air
and
the
bad
water
and
stuff
it
doesn't
stay
in
the
city.
It
goes
everywhere.
H
So
therefore
we're
very
concerned.
We
would
like
to
have
this
completely
separated
so
that
they
could
be
dealt
with
appropriately
for
each
different
section,
and
we
don't
think
it's
quite
there.
Yet
for
the
urban
area,
we
note
that
British
Columbia
put
in
a
coach
house
by
law.
They
took
three
years
to
do
it.
They
took
consulted
widely.
They
ended
up
putting
coach
houses
on
rear
lanes
only,
and
they
also
have
in
place
legislation
to
protect
homeowners
on
abutting
properties.
Our
concern
is
that
in
the
urban
area,
we've
already
lost
a
tremendous
amount
of
green
space.
H
In
some
cases
over
development-
and
it's
not
a
opposed
to
development,
we
really
like
it
when
neighborhoods
grow
and
change.
But
when
you
cut
down
hundred-year-old
trees
to
put
in
you
know
a
million-dollar
semi,
you
are
not
creating
any
any
home
for
for
people
who
can
who
actually
might
need
to
have
a
home
you're,
creating
houses
for
rich
people,
and
this
is
what's
happening.
And
now,
after
several
years,
we've
worked
on
the
zoning
bylaw.
H
We
were
able
to
achieve
some
changes
that
would
allow
increased
space
in
their
yards
for
trees,
for
water
infiltration,
to
help
mitigate
that
heat
loading
and
to
help
actually
prevent
some
of
the
stormwater
runoff,
which
is
happening
and
which
is
polluting
the
rivers.
And
so
we
find
that
when
you
have
a
bylaw
which
allows
Co
chooses
everywhere,
you
will
end
up
killing
the
trees
on
the
name
property,
because
tree
roots
do
not
stay
in
one
place.
They
see
that
there
will
be
less
room
for
water
infiltration
and
we're
very
concerned
about
use.
H
I
know
that
you
can't
legislate
that
they're
not
going
to
be
Airbnb
or
something
like
that.
But
I
know
in
my
community.
We
do
have
elderly
people
living
in
homes.
We
have
people
several
generations
living
in
homes
in
my
community.
We're
already
doing
the
things
that
this
this
is
supposed
to
help
and
I.
C
All
right,
thank
you
just
just
to
clarify
this
is
a
report
that,
as
you
know,
goes
to
two
committees.
Yes,
the
terms
of
reference
for
both
committees
are
quite
quite
clear
as
to
what
what
we
deal
with
the
last
thing.
I
want
is
planning
committee
telling
this
committee
what
to
do
in
the
rural
area?
Yes,
we
won't
take
the
position
that,
because
real
Affairs
Committee
to
tell
Planning
Committee
what
to
do
I
think
your
comments
are
mostly
related
to
to
what
the
Planning
Committee
would
be
looking
at
next
week
and.
F
C
C
C
C
You
so
just
in
response
to
some
of
the
questions
to
ask
by
the
first
two
delegations,
I
did
want
to
comment
on
the
fees
why
fees
are
sometimes
necessary.
The
planning
department
isn't
exactly
funded
out
of
taxes.
It's
more
of
a
user
fee
staff
staff
repay
their
user
fees.
I
guess
is
the
best
way
to
say
that
I
mean
our
taxes.
C
It's
that
you
know
if
you're,
if
you're
doing
something
on
your
property,
and
you
want
to
make
a
change,
your
neighbor
isn't
paying
their
taxes
towards
your
change,
its
you're,
paying
for
the
service
you're
getting
I
realize
that
sometimes
it's
different
usage
of
fees
and
that
can
be
that
can
be
challenging
in
the
ex
in
explaining
that.
But
really
it's!
It
is
a
user
pay
system.
C
I
think
it
might
be
best
to
so
with
withdraw
the
motion
for
now
on
the
change
from
two
acre
to
one
acre
to
see.
If
we
want
to
make
further
revisions
to
that
motion
down
so
here,
would
you
agree
with
that?
So
that's
how
sure
so
I
mean
we
can
look
at
that
and
we
can
sort
of
refine
that
working
with
staff
and
council
cyno
council
drusen
counselors
here
have
been
quite
involved
in
this
with
myself
in
the
past
a
few
weeks.
So
maybe
we
can
get
that
so
pride
erection
to
you
Michelle.
C
A
What
we
did
is
what
the
coach-house
is
is
to
basically
help
our
resident,
not
to
put
more
emphasis
and
red
tape,
and
the
other
idea
is.
Are
we
going
to
try
to
avoid
to
go
to
the
whole
idea
is
not
to
go
to
gather
variants
and
go
to
committee
of
adjustment
and
all
that
so
I
like
to
see
the
processes
in
both
steps
and
would
like
to
see
also
the
cost
on
both
step
and
making
sure
we
have
a
clear
vision
before
we
make
our
decision
thanks.
Mr.
chair.
A
A
When
we
are
implementing
a
new
policies,
we
need
to
make
sure
we
need
to
look
at
it
from
outside
the
box,
making
sure
we're
not
creating
another
problem,
because,
basically,
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
to
make
our
we
have
issues
in
our
rural
area
and
we
do
not
have
sufficient
senior
housing
and
what
not
we
have
in
this
city
and
urban
areas
so
to
us
is
very
important
and
the
defining
the
difference
between
coach
and
second
dwelling.
It's
really
important
for
our
resin.
A
So
really
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
explaining
to
us
and
black
and
white,
what's
the
steps
in
both
processes
and
to
be
able
to
answer
to
our
residents.
So
thank
you
for
all
the
work
we
understand.
Lots
of
resources
been
put
behind.
I
know
we're
almost
there,
but
we
just
do
making
sure
before
we
make
our
own
decision.
We
the
right
processes
in
place.
Thank
you.
C
Hey
just
one
further
thing:
on
our
planning
on
our
website,
we
have
clear,
clear
distinction
between
what
the
costs
are
for
different
things,
I
think
when
we,
you
know
if
this
has
approved
as
as
presented
or
Myer
changes,
but
if
we
go
forward
with
the
site
plan
and
hydro,
Jeep
or
ssin
I
think
it
would
be
wise
on
the
coach-house
section
of
our
website
when
we
get
to
that
point,
that
we
define
exactly
what
the
process
is
and
what
the
costs
are
with.
The
associated
costs
are
so
that
someone
like
Shirley
doesn't
have
that.
C
That
fear
that
it's
going
to
be
something
bigger
than
what
it
is
that
we
lay
out.
This
is
a
specific
cost
for
that
study,
because,
yes,
site
plan
can
be
a
quite
a
different
thing
for
different
for
different
processes,
and
the
costs
are
quite
different.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
clear
on
that.
So
someone
doesn't
get
caught
off
guard
and
also
doesn't
get
sort
of
scared
away
from
going
forward
that,
yes,.
E
Mr.
chairman,
absolutely
and
I
think
the
delegation
was
quite
eloquent
in
highlighting
how
much
information
is
actually
needed.
What
was
not
in
front
of
you
in
today's
package,
but
will
be
ready
and
that
staff
has
been
working
on,
is
a
booklet
on
how
to,
and
that
contains
all
the
explanation,
all
the
details,
all
the
step-by-step
of
the
process,
because
we
realized
when
we
were
putting
this
together
and
it
is
not
a
one
size
fit
all.
We
were
very
sensitive
to
each
and
every
context
and
the
rural
context
in
particular,
has
its
own
characteristics.
E
For
instance,
you
know
we
know
that
it's
it's
an
expensive
proposition
to
build
something
new,
but
we've
got
provisions
to
allow
people
to
convert
an
existing
building
into
a
coach
house.
You
can
convert
a
shed
into.
There
is
a
process
through
which
you
do
that
and
when
you
start
to
break
it
down,
it
is
actually
quite
more
detailed
and
complex
it's
feasible
and-
and
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
the
information
is
put
into
the
hands
of
people
interested
in
doing
this.
So
rest
assured,
mr.
E
C
So
on
the
on
the
two
amendments
from
councillor
de
Roos
on
the
the
sorry
will
do
on
the
on
the
amendments
item:
five
with
regard
to
heights
of
accessory
buildings,
coach
houses
gary
and
with
the
amendment
to
item
number
six,
which
is
the
permitted
building
heights
for
accessory
buildings
again
on
the
heights
carried
so
on.
Just
go
back
to
the.
C
So
on
that
report,
as
amended,
carry
a
number
six
that
the
ICO
surreal
Affairs
Committee
recommend
council
approved
the
amendment
to
zoning
bylaw,
2008
sg50
for
v1,
v2
and
v3
village,
residential
zones
in
rural
area,
etc
and
document
one
and
now
we
approve
the
post
consultation
section
of
this
report
on
that
report,
as
amended
carried
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
There
is
no
in-camera
items
for
the
open
mic
session.
We
do
have
two
and
they've
already
spoken
to
this
Canadian
four
already
today,
closure
speltzer.
F
Seconds,
yes,
the
the
arse
Goods
nine-one-one
blades,
some
of
some
of
our
blades,
have
rested
to
the
point
that
no
way
can
actually
read
them.
So
my
my
immediate
neighbors
and
myself,
we've
gone
ahead
and
we've
paid
our
three
dollars
to
get
new
aluminum,
blades
and
I
thank
very
much
councillor
to
ruse
for
his
initiative
to
make
sure
that
all
of
our
other
neighbors
are
able
to
get
those
blades
next
year.
F
A
You
mr.
chair
and
thank
you
very
much
Klaus
for
coming
out
and
now
you're
having
difficulty
sharing
this
mic.
We
need
to
change
the
system
anyway.
Mr.
chair
would
I
be
able
to
have
an
inquiry,
maybe
to
see
direct
staff
on
looking
into
the
process
and,
what's
the
implication
on
financial
or
see,
if
we
there
is
a
way
we
can
get
those
blade
deliver
to
the
client
service
centre.
A
C
B
A
Is
two
different?
There
is
two
different
items
here:
the
9-1-1
date
that
the
initiative
we're
doing
it's
different,
but
this
is
for
right
now.
If
any
person
was
carton
or
in
Osgood
or
Dido
Colburn,
they
want
to
get
a
blade.
They
have
to
go
to
Loretta
Street
to
pick
her
up.
So
the
inquiry
is
to
see
we
can
moving
forward.
We
can
have
a
choice
to
be
delivered
to
the
client
services
say.
C
For
for
that,
query
and
I
think
you'd
want
a
response
for
staff
before
you
figure
out
what
that
is
because
again,
I
don't
need
a
new
blade
and
if
my
blades
gonna
go
up
in
cost
because
we're
not
delivering
them
over
I,
don't
really
care
for
that.
So,
ideally,
you
need
to
know
what
the
actual
implications
on
on
the
costs
are,
because
you
know
there
are
that's.
A
C
B
G
This
yeah:
this
is
a
comment
because
I
know
that
that
issue
is
not
coming
to
Iraq
I.
Think
I
have
suggested
at
some
of
the
public
meetings
that
it
should
come
to
Iraq,
simply
because
I
think
again
we're
dealing
with
a
difference
between
urban,
suburban
and
rural
I.
I
will
also
be
at
the
Environment,
Committee
and
I
know
you
sit
on
that
committee
as
well
too.
So
I
may
make
more
comments
there,
but
I
just
after
having
gone
to
I
think
five
or
six
of
the
the
meetings.
G
G
So
that's
really
the
comment
that
I
wanted
to
make
and
I
will
make
a
more
formal
presentation
at
the
Environment.
Committee
I
also
have
asked
the
city
to
provide
a
description
or
a
definition
of
agricultural
land
and
particularly
forested
land,
because
those
two
are
to
be
exempt
and
there
is
no
definition
in
the
documentation
that
I
received.
Unless
I
can
find
it
anyways,
but
that
was
all
alright.
C
Thank
you.
Yes,
so
I
I
do
sit
on
our
committee
we've.
Actually,
the
American
lady
for
our
13th
is
gonna
is
not
going
to
be
in
champagne
room.
It's
gonna,
move
to
council
chambers
so
that
there's
more
space,
there's
more
space
for
councillors.
I
know
that
my
colleagues
here
on
my
real
colleagues
will
likely
be
at
that
committee
all
day.
C
So
we'll
get
all
of
us
there,
regardless
I,
didn't
even
need
to
deal
with
it
twice
because
I
said
on
both
committees,
but
but
they'll,
be
there
they'll,
be
there
also
in
response
to
that
one
portion
of
it
should
be
with
the
roads.
It
was,
as
you
know,
it
was
with
the
roads.
That's
where
it
originally
existed.
It
was
within
that
roads
budget
that
department
still
implements
those
works.
It's
still
the
Public
Works
Department,
that's
creating
a
road
and
on
your
road,
that's
going
out
there
and
doing
the
ditches
and
replacing
the
culverts.
C
It's
it's
still
that
same
group.
The
one
thing
that
changed
was
the
funding
mechanism.
The
challenge
with
putting
it
back
together
is
that
you
have
to
find
a
hole
in
which
to
put
it
without
impacting
something
else,
and
that's
where
this
is
something
we
tried.
We
heard
that
at
at
the
public
consultations,
it's
something
that
I
had
spoken
to
residents
about,
but
wanting
to
actually
achieve
that,
but
for
the
rural
area,
the
balance
that's
paying
into
it
is
too
in
our
charge.
C
We
had
to
find
a
2
million
dollar
gap
in
there
and
as
much
as
we
tried,
we
couldn't
fit
it
in
there
without
impacting
the
tax
rate.
If
you
impact
the
tax
rate,
you
exactly
in
fact
everyone's
tax
rate,
so
it's
not
just
the
actual
people
you're
focusing
on.
So
it
is
something
that
we
did
look
at.
We
did
try
and
it
wasn't
a
perfect
fit
as
to
how
to
get
that
money
in
there,
but
ultimately
it
is
still
that
same
department,
it's
just
where
the
money
comes
from.
That
makes
the
difference.
C
D
You
and
one
of
the
areas-
surely
we
heard
from
our
resident
as
well
as
you
and
I,
were
in
the
same
meeting.
You
suggest
just
take
it
from
the
root
of
Road
budget.
Well,
I
can
tell
you.
The
rural
road
budget
is
barely
exist
anymore
and
were
struggling
every
budget
to
increase
more
for
the
roar
of
roads,
resurfaced
because
I
mean
now.
D
It's
still
not
enough
and
I
know
now
your
Karluk
shaking
his
head
Green
with
me
in
the
back,
but
when
you
ask
about
the
forestry
and
agriculture
I
asked
the
same
question
and
falsity
is
depend
on
impact
if
impact
recognizes
your
property
as
a
forestry,
so
that
mean
you
are
exempt
from
the
storm
water.
If
the
hundred
acre
agriculture
is
a
hundred
acre,
you
are
exempt
if
you
have
a
dwelling
on
a
hundred
and
acre.
D
So
that
means
that
dwellin
will
be
charged
that
the
stormwater,
but
not
the
hundred
acre
so
I'm,
not,
but
that's
what
I
clarified
that
from
staff,
because
there
was,
if
you
remember
mr.
Gregory,
was
front-page
story
and
when
I
explained
that
him
he
was
more
than
happy
to
hear.
Oh,
yes,
now
it
makes
sense
so
anyway,
I
just
want
to
put
it
on
Thank
You.
Mr.
chair.
A
Thank
You
mr.
chair
and
thank
you
Shirley
for
coming
out
and
we've
heard
you
through
the
public
consultation
time
and
time
again.
We
do
have
a
challenge
on
how
do
we
need
to
implement
that,
but
also
we
heard
it
lots
from
our
resident
I
want
to
echo
what
construction
theory
said.
We
cannot
afford
to
take
more
money
from
our
road
to
do
different
infrastructure.
If
we
do
that,
that's
mean
less
paving
and
our
Road
already
created.
A
Also,
if
we
add
it
to
the
tax
base,
that's
mean
we
cannot
exempt
the
former
and
that's
where
our
bigger
biggest
issue
in
our
rural
area.
So
we
need
to
have
find
a
balance
where
we
can
implement
the
charges
and
where
we
can
help
and
take
a
relief
also
on
our
farmer
and
our
residents.
So
that
was
it
was
challenge.
Counselor
rural
council
worked
very
hard
with
the
mayor's
office
and
senior
staffs,
and
our
colleagues
at
an
urban
and
suburban.
A
Area
wide
issue,
I
know
we
are
only
looking
from
it
from
one
perspective,
but
we
need
to
look
at
it
all,
as
one
big
pot
will
in
a
big
city.
So
it's
there
is
simply.
There
is
impact
for
every
people
for
everyone
in
the
City
of
Ottawa,
but
moving
forward,
we're
hoping
that
will
eliminate
a
loss
of
issue
and
we
know
our
where's,
our
dollar
directed.
So
we
thank
you
very
much
for
coming
out
today.
I
do.
G
Appreciate
that
explanation
and
I'm,
starting
to
get
a
glimmer
of
understanding
of
how
it
works
and
I
understand
that
the
budget
is,
is
large
and
very
complex
and
I.
Appreciate
that
that
explanation
and
the
one
comment
I
would
leave
you
with
is
I'm,
hoping
that
the
mayor
will
refrain
from
saying
that
the
Urban's
are
doing
the
Royals
a
favor.
If
not
charging
us,
you
know
that
doesn't
help
anybody
I
prefer.
C
Urban
councillors
just
stop
talking
about
real
stuff
all
together,
but
that's
you
know
that
would
be
advice.
Was
this
councillor?
Brady
missed
some
speech
you
just
just
now
in
when
I
was
explaining
the
the
tax
implication.
It
wouldn't
be
just
the
two
million
dollars.
It's
the
forty
two
million
dollars,
so
it's
the
full
forty
two
million
dollar
costs
for
stormwater
citywide
is
what
we're
looking
at
at
funding
and
forty
six
of
that
million
will
still
be
with
people
that
pay
water
and
sewer
bills.
The
difference
is
we're
taking
it
off
their
storm.
C
There's
we're
taking
off
their
sewer
surcharge
on
their
water
bill,
but
the
actual
stormwater
fee
will
still
be
on
their
water
bill.
I
understand.
So
we
can.
We
can
just
shift
that
we
can
still
collect
the
money
from
their
water
bill,
but
move
it
over
to
the
tax.
From
that
we
don't
have
that
ability
for
myself,
because
I
I
don't
have
a
water
bill,
so
it
has
to
go
somewhere
if
we
took
the
balance,
which
is
two
million
dollars
to
put
it
on
everyone's
taxes.
C
That
means
ninety
percent
of
the
city
is
paying
twice
and
then
I'm,
paying
just
a
small
portion
that
it's
there's
a
lot
to
it,
and
that's
why
it's
difficult,
but
that's
what
it
was.
So
if
it
was
a
forty
two
million
our
shift
from
one
side
to
another,
then
you're.
Looking
at
a
three
percent
tax
increase
citywide
to
cover
it
and
some
residents
would
see
a
decrease
in
their
water
bill
to
offset
that
five
percent
tax
increase,
because
the
three
plus
two
but
but
we
would,
we
would
get
the
full.
C
A
Also
very
important
to
know
how
what
why
we're
here
and
how
we
got
here.
It's
because
this
is
another
problem
since
multi-mission
and
when
the
transition
board
decide
and
try
to
make
it
the
right
decision,
instead
of
they
made
the
right
decision
back
in
2001
if
they
ignore
the
whole
report
councils
at
that
time,
and
they
push
all
the
services
because
before
between
us
good,
Rideau,
Colburn
and
worst
carton,
we
all
pay
these
fees.
But
all
the
charges
well.
A
But
some
of
it
instead
of
put
it
back,
they
put
it
back
into
the
sewer
and
that's
where
the
so
we
it's
very
important
for
us
to
have
a
clear
vision.
Why
we're
here
today
and
that's
we're
trying
to
fix
it
one
and
for
all
we
don't
have
these
saying
in
the
rural
pay,
more
or
torben,
say
more
so
just
want
to.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
D
Just
just
a
personally
liberal
contact
me
so
Chad
is
there
is
a
young
person
in
in
our
community
years
ago
got
killed
on
our
road
and
and
city
has
we
need
to
change
the
result?
A
drive
name
so
I
thought
it
will
be
it'd,
be
nice
to
have
a
commemorative
name
and
so
I
submit
the
name
into
through
city
staff
defended
the
name
and
the
name
seems
it
got
the
key
into
two
more
four.