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From YouTube: Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee – July 4, 2013
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A
C
Good
morning,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Anita
utas
and
I
live
in
Statesville
I've
been
involved
in
trying
to
get
the
city
to
implement
a
progressive
and
humane
wildlife
strategy.
For
almost
two
years
now
today,
I
want
to
address
the
flow
device
demonstration
projects
being
that
I
and
several
other
concerned
residents
have
been
monitoring
some
of
them
on
a
regular
basis.
C
The
flow
device
that
the
Kissel
pond
wetland
is
preventing
sufficient
water
to
be
maintained
for
the
Beavers
to
survive
there,
the
Blandings
turtle,
a
species
at
risk
lives
there.
So
why
choose
to
install
a
flow
device
in
such
a
way
that
beavers
and
the
species
that
rely
on
a
certain
depth
of
water
won't
be
able
to
survive?
C
The
same
thing
can
be
said
at
the
Bell
quarry
flow
device
site,
which
was
also
installed
during
the
drought.
Last
year,
photos
were
taken
last
winter
when
the
water
had
frozen,
and
the
levels
were
clearly
not
high
enough
for
beaver
to
overwinter.
The
purpose
of
flow
devices
is
yes
to
stop
flooding,
but
it's
also
to
ensure
that
the
animals
that
are
living
in
those
areas
will
survive
the
kits
a
pond
and
bell
quarry
site
have
similar
flaws
in
their
construction.
The
fencing
is
too
lightweight.
C
There
is
no
floor
inside
the
fencing,
which
means
that
favor
can
tunnel
underneath
and
the
design
and
complexity
of
the
piping
is
outdated.
There
have
been
significant
technical
improvements
since
the
pioneering
days
of
beaver
deceivers.
Today's
floor
devices
are
very
simple
and
have
been
designed
to
operate
with
minimal
maintenance
other
than
a
couple
of
checks
of
a
year
to
remove
debris
the
floor
devices
installed
in
residential
areas
as
the
one
in
the
slide
there.
C
Ottawa
is
out
of
sync
with
the
growing
awareness
of
the
value
beavers
evidenced
by
the
recent
nature
of
things:
documentary
the
Baby
Whisperer
articles
in
Canadian
and
National
Geographic
magazines
and
presentations
about
beaver
at
wild
conferences
held
across
North
America
Ottawa
continues
to
treat
ever
as
if
they
are
pests.
We
are
far
behind
the
times
when
it
comes
to
progressive
humane
solutions.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
B
You
for
those
comments,
any
questions
I
just
I
just
wanted,
and
thank
you
for
that
and
I
think
that
we
have
mr.
Moser
here
from
the
planning
department
and
one
there's
a
there
is
an
item
in
the
recommendations
of
construction
protocol,
so
your
comments
have
been
well
received
and
certainly
will
be
taken
into
consideration.
So
I.
Thank
you
for
that.
Thank.
C
D
Okay,
good
morning
my
name
is
Palmas
Oh.
Mr.
chairman
members
area,
vac
and
staff
I
sit
on
a
wildlife
strategy
for
the
past
three
and
a
half
years.
The
strategy
was
not
a
balanced
strategy.
The
strategy
a
committee
I
do
not
have
representative
from
the
trapping
community.
The
hunting
community,
the
Federation
of
agriculture
or
landowners.
I
was
the
only
farmer
and
I'm
an
outdoorsman
on
his
committee.
I
want
to
congratulate
Nick
for
three
and
a
half
years,
taking
his
time
to
to
really
see
things
through
to
come
up
with
a
strategy.
I.
D
Thank
him
for
taking
injury.
A
professional
biologist
and
committee
made
up
of
professional
biologists
counselors.
We
need
a
strategy,
we
need
a
strategy
for
wildlife.
So
when
there
is
a
bird
with
a
nest
in
the
tree,
what
do
we
do?
What
do
people
do?
Do
you
cut
down
the
tree
to
get
rid
of
it
to
you?
Do
you
save
the
bird?
We
need
a
strategy.
People
know
what
they're
doing
and
it
needs
to
be
in
writing
for
our
contractors.
As
mrs.
wilkinson
spoke,
you
know
what
do
they
do?
What's
a
strategy?
D
Do
they
have
to
save
less
trees?
Can
I
cut
them
down
with
a
beaver
in
a
ditch?
What
do
we
do?
We
need
a
strategy
number
of
years
ago.
I
came
here
as
a
farmer
to
get
a
real
affairs
committee
and
get
staff,
because
we
hadn't
on
I
talked
to
Mayor
Ellie
at
the
time,
and
we
now
have
Adam
and
Derek
as
real
affairs
committee.
In
the
same
sense,
we
need
a
wildlife
biologist,
the
go-to
person
for
wildlife.
We
need
a
wildlife
people
that
one
knows
of
all
life
issue.
As
all
the
councillors
have
calls.
D
D
I
also
recommend
having
a
website
that
is
balanced
and
you
need
to
have
a
balance,
knowing
that
there
is
available
hunting
trapping
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
that
people
what
to
do
with
problems,
because,
again
that
knowledge,
you
need
to
have
that
knowledge
of
people
can
go
to
the
website
and
deal
with
issues
and
I
really
hope
that
they
go
through
with
this
recommendation.
I
do
have
one
challenge,
though,
and
is
this
these
beaver
deceivers?
D
D
Beavers
deceivers
may
work
at
times,
but
you
also
after
watching
up
blocking
their
tile
drains
in
farmer's
fields,
you're
not
blocking
fish
habitat.
If
that's
a
spawning
ditch
where
fish
are
spawning,
they
have
to
be
left
open
and
other
landowners
concerned
to
beyond
the
beaver.
Deceiver
there's
backs
up
onto
their
land,
counselors
staff.
We
need
a
wildlife
strategy,
we
need
a
one.
That's
balanced,
that's
fair
that
people
can
turn
to
and
see
where
to
go,
that
we
do
not
need
a
rally
every
time
there
is
an
issue.
D
D
B
D
You
know
I've
been
managing
my
life,
all
my
life,
my
father,
my
grand
further
wildlife
in
the
City
of
Ottawa,
and
we
know
wildlife
very
well
and
and
respect
wildlife
in
us.
It's
it's
really
on
a
side
note
to
see
my
grandfather
never
dropped
to
beaver
because
there
were
no
beaver
in
the
area.
My
father
never
trapped
in
Otto,
because
there
were
no
other
in
here
and
now,
there's
all
kinds
of
otter,
I
never
dropped.
D
E
Thank
you,
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
and,
thank
you
so
much
so
for
so
this
strategy.
Obviously,
you've
been
talking
to
our
staff
and
specifically
with
Nick
you're
comfortable
with
this
strategy.
Do
you
believe
this
treasure
would
address
the
concern
that
put
aside
but
to
be
able
to
see
whatever
they're
just
that
strategy?
It's.
D
E
That,
because
I
took
a
note
of
this,
and
we
will
blame
staff,
who's
been
dealing
and
this
for
quite
some
times.
You
know
Cristina
partic
been
working
with
the
police
and
by
law,
I
organized
when
you
make
the
call
when
to
make
the
right
capture
we'll
bring
her
up
after
after
babe
I
just
want
to
hear
from
you
as
a
as
a
you
know:
farmers
always
have
the
ability
to
protect
their
life
stuff
and
then
their
life
loads.
E
D
Comfortable
and
I
are
but
I
do
see,
having
a
professional
biologist
of
that
coyotes
and
the
person's
backyard
going
out
and
making
a
call
or
opposed
every
Council
are
getting
a
call.
M&Amp;R
and
everybody
saying
look
at
remove
the
dog
food.
That's
why
that
coyotes
in
your
backyard,
put
a
fence
up
and
backyard
now
that
coyotes
needs
to
be
euthanized,
that
coyote
is
dangerous,
so
somebody
needs
to
make
that
call
that
that
coyote
needs
to
be
euthanized
and.
E
B
B
B
I
think
that
this
committee,
with
our
membership
and
and
just
going
to
council
and
having
some
of
our
urban
colleagues
who
are
not
in
this
committee
here
today,
is
an
indication
of
their
interest,
certainly
across
across
the
board,
and
it
will
be
dealt
with
I'm
sure
in
full
depth.
When
it
comes
to
council
and
I
know,
councilor
mischenko
is
one
of
our
strongest
environmentalists
and
certainly
will
have
some
input
when
it
does
come
to
council.
So
thank
you
for
that,
and
you
know
with
that.
E
You
Thank
You
mr.
chair
and
just
to
refresh
the
staff
memory.
What
we
heard
has
been
some
some
times.
We
have
Your
Honor
debris.
She
made
a
comment
about
the
committee
why
this
committee
is
not
that
miss
white
talk
about
this
more
beavers
being
killed.
Lately,
miss
price
said
we
have
more
wildlife
now
than
we
ever
did
before,
and
she
made
reference
to
that
book
in
the
United
States
there
be
laws.
She
wants
more
input,
more
community
engagement.
E
F
E
Leah
trav
is
concerned
about
the
process
itself
Robert
fairly.
He
he
liked
to
see
more
education
is
done
about
this,
which
is
that's
something.
Demotions
talked
about
Jerry
Lee,
talking
about
how
we
streamline
the
process
and
how
could
we
find
efficiency?
Making
the
right
call
I
know
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
and
the
police
trying
to
educate
the
public,
making
the
right
call
versus
911
all
the
time
or
making
one
call
where
you
can
get
some
concern.
E
I
think
that's
something
we
need
to
look
at
and
Anita
Utah's
talk
about
the
flow
device
and
the
construction
protocol
and
mr.
muscle
obviously
agree
and
more
than
once
indicates
we
need
a
strategy
and
I.
Think
that's
why
we
have
today
and
mr.
Steve
Henderson
talked
about
the
committee
again
same
same
as
miss
Gabriel
about
what
this
committee
met.
Other
committee,
so
thank.
F
You
very
much
through
the
chair
for
that
summary
counselor,
that
that
is
great
I'll,
certainly
start
responding
to
a
few
of
these
and
I
know.
Nick
will
be
able
to
give
you
further
details
on
a
number
of
these
issues,
so
I
think
we've
talked
at
length
in
terms
of
the
appropriate
committee
and
historic.
F
Yes,
there
were
recommendations
to
joint
a
rack
environment
and
planning
committee,
but,
as
we
know,
all
old
matters
will-
and
this
one
in
particular
will
go
to
City
Council,
so
all
councilors
will
be
involved
in
that
discussion
and
dialogue
come
July
17th.
This
committee
was
selected
based
on
the
terms
of
reference
for
the
governance
for
this
committee
and
certainly
as
you've
all
discussed.
F
You
do
also
have
representation
not
only
from
the
rural
area,
but
also
from
suburban
communities,
so
certainly
from
the
city
solicitor's
office,
that
the
terms
are
reference
for
this
committee
is
appropriate
to
receive
the
wildlife
strategy
in
terms
of
more
input.
I
certainly
can
appreciate
some
of
the
questions
that
committee
members
were
asking
in
terms
of.
F
So
many
of
our
media
colleagues
at
the
table
here
today
did
put
out
information
with
regards
to
the
wildlife
strategy
and
I
know
that,
with
the
number
of
councillor
briefings
that
both
Nick
and
I
have
attended
in
the
past
couple
of
weeks
that
we
are
aware
that
several
thousand
email
responses
have
been
shared
with
councillors.
So
there's
been
a
significant
amount
of
dialogue
and
consultation
with
regard
to
this,
while
by
strategy
and
I,
certainly
like
the
state
that
I
know,
there
was
also
conversation
that
this
is
a
starting
point.
F
So
we
are
here
today
as
a
starting
point
and
as
the
chair
had
also
indicated,
this
isn't
an
evolving
process
and
certainly
from
the
feedback
that
we're
hearing
today,
you
know
we
will
be
working
as
we
move
forward
once
the
strategy
is
approved
in
terms
of
how
can
we
tweak?
How
can
we
improve
and
what
may
be
procedures
may
need
to
be
added
or
what
public
specific
public
education
would
be
important
for
city
residents?
F
So
we
will
continue
work
as
we
move
forward,
but
this
strategy
is
certainly
a
starting
point,
and
certainly
I
would
reiterate
that
you
know
today.
We
did
hear
some
very
positive
comments
as
well,
that
we
do
need
to
start
somewhere
that
we
do
need
a
strategy.
So
certainly
can
appreciate
those
comments
and
also
appreciate
the
comments
that
we've
heard
in
terms
of
more
emphasis
around
how
we
manage
Bevers,
so
I
think
at
this
point,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Nick
who
can
cover
off
some
of
the
more
specific
examples,
counselor
that
you
provided.
G
Thank
You
counselor,
I,
guess
I'll
I'll
start
just
by
discussing
what
we
were
asked
to
do
and
that
was
to
produce
a
strategy.
We
were
not
asked
to
produce
a
wildlife-management
manual
and
many
of
the
points
that
mr.
Lee
and
mr.
muscle
and
Ms
price
made
are
very
good
ones.
There
does
need
to
be
there's
a
need
for
direction
on
specific
on
species.
What
you
do
when
you
have
species
X?
What
do
you
about
species
y?
Who
needs
to
be
involved?
What
permissions
do
you
need
to
get
that
information
needs
to
be
provided?
G
We
haven't
done
that
in
the
wildlife
strategy,
because
we
saw
that
more
as
a
follow-up.
That's
sort
of
the
the
manual
type
of
information.
Other
municipalities
provide
that
kind
of
municipality
on
our
web
pages.
So
and
you
can
go
on
the
web
page
and
you'll
find
their
general
strategy
and
then
you'll
find
another
document
that
deals
with
specific
issues.
Those
that's
a
kind
of
information
that
I
would
like
to
have
see
us
be
putting
up
on
our
web
page
so
that
people
know
who
to
go
to
that's.
G
G
The
the
miss
names
already
spoken
to
the
public
consultation
about
the
public
consultation
process,
I'm
not
going
to
going
further
into
that.
There
has
been
no
repeated
request
for
a
another
public
meeting
and
it's
my
feeling
that
another
public
meeting
and
more
public
discussion
is
not
going
to
accomplish
anything
at
this
point.
We've
we
know
what
the
issues
are.
We
know
what
the
points
of
disagreement
are.
We
know
what
the
options
are
and
really
the
discussion
has
come
down
to
two
or
three
things:
beaver
management,
there's
a
clear
disagreement.
G
G
There's
some
disagreement
on
general
disagreement
on
whether
or
not
the
city
should
ever
carry
out
any
kind
of
lethal
management,
and
these
are
not.
These
are
not
disagreements
that
are
going
to
be
resolved
through
further
discussion,
I'm,
afraid
and
if
I
can
I'll
deal
first
with
with
public
information.
G
So
during
the
during
the
working
group
meetings,
one
of
the
positions
that
was
put
forward
by
one
other
quests
from
the
Ottawa
Carleton
Wildlife
Center
was
that
that
the
only
reference
to
outside
information
in
the
wildlife
strategy
on
methods
for
dealing
with
wildlife
should
be
the
Ottawa
Carleton
Wildlife
Center.
We
were
asked
to
remove
any
reference
to
the
Ministry
of
Natural
Resources.
G
We
were
asked
to
remove
any
reference
to
the
to
wildlife,
professional
wildlife
management
companies
and
that's
not
something
that,
as
a
staff
person,
I
was
willing
to
do
because
I
think
out
of
respect
for
property
owners.
We
need
to
provide
them
with
all
of
the
information
that's
available
and
allow
them
to
make
their
own
choice
on
what
methods
they
they
choose
to,
what
resources
they
choose
to
draw
on
the
we
and
then
leaf
a
management
and
beavers.
D
G
G
The
basic
methodology
is
this:
you
want
to
work
with
the
natural
instincts
of
the
Beavers
to
protect
your
infrastructure
while
maintaining
the
the
wetland,
the
beaver
pond
and
the
habitat
that
it
creates
behind
behind
the
Beaver
Dam.
So
what
you
see
here
in
this
photograph,
is
you
have
a
beaver
dam,
an
active,
beaver
dam
on
Poole
Creek.
You
have
in
the
very
background
you
can
see,
there's
a
cage
structure
that
is
an
intake
for
a
pipe
for
a
pond
leveler
and
in
the
on
the
left
hand
side.
G
You
see
the
outlet
for
that
pond
leveler
and
the
pipe
runs
through
the
pond
to
the
outlet,
the
water
level,
the
ultimate
final
water
level
behind
the
pond
is
controlled
by
the
height
of
the
outlet.
So,
ultimately,
in
this,
this
photograph
is
taken
after
heavy
rains.
Ultimately,
the
water
level
behind
that
dam
will
drop
to
the
elevation
of
the
outlet.
The
function
of
this,
the
height
of
this
particular
outlet,
was
set
to
protect
the
walking
trail
that
goes
alongside
pool
Creek
at
this
location.
G
So
when
the
water
level
drops
down,
it
is
below
the
level
of
that
walking
path
and
keeps
that
walking
path
open.
At
the
same
time,
it
maintained
sufficient
water
behind
the
dam
that
it
protects
the
habitat
for
the
beaver.
So
you
need
to
have
basically
at
least
a
metre
and
a
half
of
water
behind
a
beaver
dam.
G
This,
if
this
was
located
at
a
this
site,
was
located
at
a
road
culvert,
then
the
what
would
also
you'll
also
see
would
be
a
fencing
around
the
entrance
to
the
the
road
culvert
and
in
most
cases
the
Beavers
rebuild
their
dam.
So,
basically,
when
you
install
it,
you
pull
out
the
Beaver
Dam,
the
Beavers
rebuild
their
dam
at
that
fence
line,
not
at
the
culvert
itself.
G
So
at
a
road
culvert
they'll
build
at
the
defense
line
once
they've
rebuilt
the
dam,
you
then
install
your
the
pipe.
The
pond
leveler
through
the
dam
set
the
elevation
of
your
outlet
structure
at
the
elevation
you
want
to
maintain
the
pond
at,
and
you
may
have
to
make
a
few
adjustments
later.
But
essentially
you
can
then
leave
that
for
anywhere
up
to
ten
or
fifteen
years
and
just
go
back
periodically
and
remove
a
little
bit
of
the
debris,
that's
accumulated.
G
G
Okay,
this
is
a
is
actually
a
paper
that
was
published
in
2006.
It's
one
of
the
it's
one
of
the
papers
at
the
audible,
cotton,
Wildlife
Center
and
the
Ontario
wildlife
coalition
have
actually
referred
to
when
they
talk
about
the
effectiveness
of
beaver,
deceivers
and
I
wanted
to
focus
on
on
two
things.
First,
under
the
methods,
you
probably
don't
want
to
read
it,
but
it's
there
under
the
methods
they
dealt
with.
Some
looked
at
some
470
sites,
I
think
it
was
where
they
had
used
beaver
deceivers.
G
Those
sites
consisted
either
of
blocked,
culverts
or
freestanding
beaver
dams
such
as
we
saw
in
the
photograph.
None
of
those
sites
were
stormwater
management.
Points
study
did
not
look
at
some
water
management
ponds
because
none
of
the
sites
where
they
were
installed
or
stormwater
management
ponds.
The
reason
for
that
is
given
a
little
further
down
here
on
trapped
sites.
It
says
there
are
sites.
Basically,
it
says
there
are
sites
where
these
don't
work.
First
kind
of
site
is
where
the
topography
or
the
development
of
area
presents.
So
many
potential
conflicts.
G
If
the
beavers
were
permitted
to
stay,
it
would
be
cost
prohibitive
to
beaver
proof
them
with
flow
devices.
An
example
of
a
problematical
logistical
setting
includes
manmade
uniform
channels
such
as
long
a
'grill
gate,
drainage,
ditches,
or
can
the
uniformity
of
parallel
embankments
create
an
infinite
number
of
places
where
beavers
can
dam
versus
more
natural
waterways,
etc.
This
is
talking
about
the
kinds
of
situations
we
have
in
municipal
drains.
Most
municipal
drains
are
not
conducive
to
the
use
of
Beaver
deceivers.
There
may
be
sites,
particularly
where
a
municipal
drain
incorporates
a
natural
water
course.
G
There
may
be
sites
where
they
can
be
used,
but
by
and
large
the
nature
of
municipal
drains
makes
the
use
of
be
receivers
ineffective.
Second,
one
is
down
below
zero
tolerance
for
any
water
level.
Changes
areas
where
human,
health,
property
or
safety
would
be
threatened
with
even
a
minor
water
level.
G
Elevation
reservoirs
are
one
example
of
this
kind
of
area,
sometimes
septic
systems,
houses,
wells
and
other
human
constructs
are
built
in
such
close
proximity
and
on
such
a
low
plain
relative
to
the
natural
stream
that
beavers
aren't
able
to
build
even
a
small
dam
without
causing
a
conflict
with
people.
This
is
that
this
is
a
situation
we
have
in
stormwater
management
ponds
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
G
E
Mr.
deputy
mayor
just
to
follow
up
neck,
you
mentioned
what
kind
of
education
we
need
to
provide.
I
think
the
question
should
be
how
to
provide
it.
How
we
deliver,
we
have
the
biggest
growth
in
a
rural
area.
Today
is
urban
resident
moving
to
the
to
the
rural
area,
what
country
state
law
or
just
in
the
villages,
but
with
no
extreme
that
humans,
see
a
farmer
call,
and
you
say,
or
we
have
a
last
night
in
our
backyard,
but
you'll
hear
some
new
new
people
move
into
that
area.
E
Talk
about
whether
coyote
or
about
the
Fisher
and-
and
we
can't
deny
the
fact
in
the
last
25
years,
I've
been
in
West
Auckland.
We
see
the
decline
of
funding
for
M&R
and
other
other
agency
who
used
to
manage
this
thing.
It's
been
downloaded
to
the
municipality
bit
by
bit
and
were
taken
were
taken
around
the
chin,
obviously,
because
here
we
are
what
we're
trying
to
do
something
traditionally
or
normally
done
by
other
level
of
government,
but
nevertheless,
I
applaud
the
city
of
sleaze
doing
the
right
thing.
E
But
how
would
you
deliver
the
message
to
the
folks
who
move
in
to
a
rural
area?
Sometimes
you
know
we
get
caught?
Oh
my
God,
my
ditch
full
of
water
well,
I
hope
so
because
that's
what
the
ditch
made
for,
what
do
you
hear
the
coyote
in
my
backyard
or
how
could
I
get
rid
of
the
bear?
Keep
eating
my
bird
feeds?
Well,
if
you
don't
have
the
bird
food,
maybe
the
bear
will
not
come
to
the
house.
E
So
how
would
you
deliver
that
message
and
and
honestly
you
have
to
audience-
you
have
the
local
residents
who
know
how
to
deal
with
this
versus
the
folks
who
just
moving
from
the
urban
to
a
country
state
lot
or
through
a
rural
living.
Obviously,
but
without
the
background
experience,
how
would
we-
and
if
you
tell
me
where
we
can
post
it
on
a
website,
I
have
to
tell
you
25%
or
30%,
the
people
still
don't
have
internet.
So
don't
think
this
is
the
solution
for
everything
to
be
on
a
website.
E
G
Thanks
for
the
question
with
councillor,
to
some
extent,
we
already
do
so,
although
I
grant
you,
it
is
not
sometimes
very
effective
so
where
we
do
get
a
new
development
going
into
a
green
space
of
force,
for
example,
as
a
condition
of
approval.
We
often
require
the
the
development
and
the
distribution
of
a
an
information
kit
to
to
property
owners.
I
suspect
in
many
cases
that
just
gets
filed
away,
and
they
don't
ever
got
it.
G
We
are
proposing,
as
as
mentioned,
we
are
proposing
that
we
would
provide
a
lot
more
information
on
the
city's
website.
We
would
like
to
do
the
pub
the
public
speaker
series
and
like
be
able
to
promote
that
we'd
like
to
do
the
outreach
of
primary
schools.
That's
not
going
to
reach
everybody
and
that's
another
important
reason.
Why
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
wildlife
resource
officer
so
that
when,
when
counselors
offices
get
a
phone
call,
they
can
refer
the
person
to
that
Wildlife
resource
officer.
Who
can
then
take
them
through
the
issues
of
concern?
G
E
Sure
so
I
just
don't
have
to
come
back
again.
I
just
want
to
take
this
opportunity
to
say
thank
you
to
all
the
residents
from
across
the
city
who
met
with
me
before,
especially
Donna
and
Liz,
white
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
staff,
also
Nick
and
Leanne,
for
taking
the
lead
on
it
and
meeting
with
us
and
working
together,
and
this
and
I
know
it's
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
Egg,
but
I
still
have
I,
still
have
some
concern.
E
How
we
can
reach
out
to
the
community
and
have
that
educational
level
because
really
concerned
me
when
I
hear
oh
I
walk
with
my
little
dog
and
gone
in
Matera
Bolton
force.
Well,
we
have
fish.
Are
there
if
you,
if
you,
if
the
dark
two
second
behind,
you
could
be
gone?
But
how
could
you,
without
you
know,
without
creating
that
chaos?
You
know
you
are
in
the
third
working
force,
it's
a
home
of
a
Fisher,
so
that
kind
of
messaging.
We
need
to
work
on
I
thought.
F
H
Thank
you
very
much.
There
are
certainly
some
recurring
themes
in
what
we've
been
hearing
from
delegations
this
morning
and
it's
been
quite
clear
from
our
staffs
response
that
you
don't
believe
one.
One
of
those
points
is
the
process
and
and
additional
consultation.
You
don't
believe,
there's
any
particular
value
anything
more
to
be
to
be
learned
from
that.
H
Given
the
length
of
time
over
which
people
who
wanted
to
could
have
commented,
it
seems
it's
certainly
your
belief
that
those
with
a
keen
interest
in
this
issue
could
have
heard
about
the
strategies.
Development
would
have
and
would
have
had
the
opportunity
to
comment
so
I'm
going
to
move
away
from
that
history
and
look
forward.
What
are
the
opportunities
from
now
onward
for
those
people
who
couldn't
come
today
didn't
know
this
meeting
was
today
didn't
know
it
was
an
opportunity
for
input.
Is
there
an
opportunity
for
additional
input?
F
Chair
great
questions,
certainly
we're
here
today
to
hear
to
hear
feedback
which
we've
taken
at
least
10
pages
of
notes
on
certainly
leading
up
to
council
meeting
on
July
17th.
Obviously,
both
city
staff
and
counselors
would
would
hear
comments
and
concerns
around
that
strategy,
leading
up
to
that
point
in
time.
I
think,
certainly
from
our
perspective
and
working
on
the
strategy
for
three
years
now,
we
a
considerable
amount
of
feedback.
F
If
I
can
compare
it
to
other
strategies
that
have
been
developed
over
over,
certainly
my
term
that
we've
had
a
significant
amount
and
we've
heard
a
lot,
and
we've
made
a
significant
amount
of
adjustments
to
that
and
to
speak
to
the
fact
of
it
being
a
living
document.
Certainly
it
is
a
strategy.
It's
it's
not
something.
F
H
And
to
get
to
something
specific,
it's
certainly
a
critique
that
I've
heard
and
some
of
the
emails
I've
received
and
comments
from
people,
and
it's
one-
that's
generative,
frequently
sort
of
leveled
at
human
development
around
the
world,
which
is
that
we
as
humans
will
always
or
tend
to
put
our
needs
and
our
place
ahead
of
those
creatures,
species
who
were
there
before
and
for
whom
this
is
their
their
only
habitat.
How
would
you
respond
to
the
critique
that
this
is
too
human
centric?
G
When
you
take
an
ecosystem
approach,
though
you
have
to
recognize
that
one
of
the
one
of
the
most
significant
factors,
perhaps
the
most
significant
factor
in
ecosystems,
these
days
is
the
human
element.
You
have
to
account
for
it,
and
so
we,
you
know,
the
the
wildlife
strategy
has
to
take
into
account
that
the
city
of
Ottawa's,
here
that
the
City
of
Ottawa
is
going
to
you
to
face
increasing
population
growth
and
that
that
is
going
to
put
increasing
pressure
on
our
written
boundary
on
our
agricultural
areas
and
on
our
our
natural
areas.
G
The
the
city
of
Ottawa's,
official
plan
itself
is
and
I
discussed.
This
in
the
military
is
an
ecosystem
management
document.
It
talks
about
how
we
balance
those
things
and
the
city
is
doing.
In
my
opinion,
the
the
most
important
things
to
reduce
the
human
impact
on
wildlife
and
wildlife,
habitat
intensification
is
the
biggest
one
transit
or
transit
and
transit
oriented
development.
G
Probably
next
those
are
the
things
that
are
going
to
restrict
the
growth
of
our
urban
boundary
that
are
going
to
restrict
the
growth
of
village
boundaries
and
that
are
going
to
contribute
most
to
the
protection
of
our
existing
natural
areas
and
habitat
for
our
wildlife.
And
then
you
know
we
have
a
range
of
planning
tools,
all
the
way
from
the
official
plan
right
down
to
to
site
plan
where
we
deal
with
human
impacts
on
wildlife,
select
plans
of
subdivision
and
site
plans.
We
talk
about
edge
effects.
G
H
It's
interesting
is
it's
the
first
time
that
I
sort
of
put
this
thought
together
that
one
of
our
most
effective
conflict
management
tools
is
in
fact
intensification,
transitoria
development
or
planning,
etc,
to
be
reducing
our
spall
and
our
our
appetite
for
what
is
habitat
for
for
other
species.
And
yet
we've
heard
that
this
is
as
much
an
urban
issue
as
a
rural
issue
and
certainly
in
terms
of
pure
numbers.
H
We
have
more
urban
or
increasingly
number
of
urban
residents
and
and
more
for
whom
interaction
might
be
considered
more
urban
with
species
that
are
more
common
in
urban
situations
and
I
say
that
as
a
councillor
and
an
urban
award
who
just
had
his
roof
redone
in
such
a
way
as
to
prevent
the
squirrels
that
were
living
in
it
from
coming
back
him.
So
I
am
one
of
many
who
was
sensitive
to
other
creatures.
Didn't
want
to
get
them
killed.
H
Would
the
end
result
of
my
having
dropped
them
out
of
my
roof,
led
to
that?
That's
a
possibility,
but
we're
with
this
urban
intensification
where
I'm
getting
at
is
we're
going
to
see
more
and
more
of
that
kind
of
of
a
need
and
a
response,
and
in
what
way?
Well
can
we
we've
heard
a
lot
about
education
and.
H
I'm,
trying
to
get
at
here
is
how
our
strategy
can
continue
to
evolve
as
these
more
urban
issues
come
up
or
enter
into
the
lives
of
more
people,
I
mean
I'll
put
it
out.
There
there's
been
an
accusation
that
many
counselors
did
not
use
our
councillors,
columns
and
tools
at
our
disposal
to
publicize
this
strategy
guilty
I,
typically
focus
on
the
issues
that
are
hot
issues
to
my
residents
at
a
particular
time,
and
all
these
are
issues
are
ongoing
issues.
F
The
chairs,
certainly
we
can
be,
as
I
mentioned,
working
with
a
communications
department
on
that
communications
plan
and
we
could
probably
put
together
some
articles
or
some
information
that
you
could
be
using
in
your
councillors
and
newsletters
that
could
be
circulated
out.
So
as
part
of
our
public,
a
commitment
to
public
education.
F
H
And
a
final,
very
short
question
to
all
those
residents
who
may
respond
after
today.
Why
did
you
counselor
turn
to
shank?
Oh,
not
make
a
fiery
oratorical
plea
for
an
additional
public
meeting
after
this.
What
can
I
tell
them
right
now.
Are
the
remaining
opportunities
to
give
input
and
how
can
they
best
do
it
for.
F
G
H
You
and
with
your
indulgence
mr.
chair,
is
there
the
possibility
that
those
comments
will
lead
to
any
modifications
to
what
we're
looking
at
today
or
are
we
more
or
less
saying
to
people?
We
still
want
your
comments,
but
what's
going
to
council
on,
the
17th
is
exactly
what's
about
to
be
voted
on
here
today.
F
H
B
I
You
very
much
mr.
chair
and
thank
you
to
staff
for
putting
this
that
strategy
together
over
the
last
two
and
a
half
or
three
years.
It's
been
a
lot
of
work
and
I
do
appreciate
that
work
on
my
behalf
and
my
community's
behalf
that,
in
my
opinion,
looking
at
what
was
presented
today,
these
mataji
has
been
looked
at
through
progressive
and
through
a
comprehensive
review
working
with
the
community.
Having
said
that,
you
know
again
coming
back
to
what
we
were
talking
about
earlier
from
the
delegation.
I
The
one
issue
that
seems
to
keep
coming
forward
is
the
lack
of
transparency
in
terms
of
this
process.
I
just
want
to
you
know
you
start
to
make
a
comment
in
terms
of
consultations
that
went
forward.
Did
you
get
comments
from
all
three
sectors
of
our
population,
urban,
suburban
annual?
Or
did
you
only
receive
comments
from
one
aspect
being
it
was
being
presented
to
here
at
committee
that
you
receive
comments
strictly
from
the
role
residents.
G
G
We
have
had
very
constructive
discussions
with
all
of
with
the
the
other
agencies
involved,
the
National
Capital
Commission
and
the
Ministry
of
Natural
Resources.
There
are
not
here
today.
They
did
not
provide
a
final
written
comment
on
the
wildlife
strategy,
but
they
certainly
communicated
their
concerns
and
their
opinions
to
to
me
verbally
and
many
of
those
have
been
incorporated
into
the
the
wildlife
strategy.
The
strategy
that
we
present
today
has
been
very,
very
strongly
influenced
and
changed
by
the
feedback
that
we've
had
from
all
of
the
various
sectors.
Thank.
I
You
for
that,
dr.
Stowe
and
just
a
couple
of
comments
regarding
that,
in
terms
of
you
mentioned
during
the
presentation
that
a
couple
of
members
of
the
committee
original
committee
did
step
aside
from
the
table
and
I
think
you
gave
a
reason
on
one
of
those
groups
moving
over
or
moving
away
from
the
table.
Could
you
just
reiterate
that
reason
that
you
had
mentioned?
Please.
G
Mr.
chair
I'm
I'm
loathe
to
speak
for
any
organization,
particularly
organizations
that
are
represented
by
two
people:
I
respect
MS
du
Brey
and
Ms
white
one
day,
but
the
reasons
that
I
receive
for
them,
having
resigned
from
the
the
wildlife
strategy,
were
essentially
content
related
issues.
They
felt
that
we
had
not
gone
far
enough
in
terms
of
recommendations
for
beaver
management.
G
There
were
disagreements
regarding
the
the
public
education
aspect
and
what
that
content
should
be
and
who
should
be
delivering
it
and
then
just
the
there
were
also
comments
on
the
the
general
tone
of
the
wildlife
strategy,
which
they
felt
had
being
quite
negative
and
folks,
particularly
on
the
use
of
the
term
nuisance
wildlife
which
had
crept
into
the
document,
and
we
with
respect
to
the
latter.
We
we
made
substantial
changes
to
the
wildlife
strategy
to
to
change
that
tone.
G
G
I
One
further
point,
mr.
chair,
in
terms
of
one
of
the
representatives,
this
up
to
know
this
morning
said
something
about
what
I
think
was
in
either
Utah's,
who
mentioned
about
the
B
word
deceivers
of
fuel
mechanism
for
the
Beavers
yeah,
beaver
dams,
that
they
were
not
working
because
they
are
antiquated
or
there.
G
Three
mr.
chair,
when
we
were
choosing
the
beaver,
deceiver
demonstration
sites
pool
pool
Creek
was
not
one
of
the
original
choices,
but
during
the
the
process
of
identifying
the
site's
a
resident,
in
instance,
though
I
believe
it
was
museun.
Aspen
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
certain
alerted
us
that
there
was
now
an
issue
on
pool
Creek
at
this
particular
location.
I
went
out,
I
did
an
evaluation
of
the
site.
G
In
fact,
mizune
has
made
reference
to
the
the
documentary
the
beaver
whisperer.
The
beaver
whisperer
refers
to
Michelle
LeClair,
who
has
done
the
installation,
beaver
management
in
Gatineau
Park
for
the
last
25
years
and
Michelle
LeClair
is
actually
our
contractor
for
the
installation
of
the
beaver
deceivers.
It
is
a
it's
sometimes
a
little
deceiving.
When
you
look
at
the
beaver
deceiver
sites
in
their
first
year.
You
might
think
that
they
they're
not
working
properly.
That's
because
the
installation
occurs
in
in
phases
as
I
discussed
earlier.
First,
you
have
to
remove
any
existing
blockage.
G
Then
you
have
to
put
in
your
fencing
location
for
the
new
dam
once
the
Beavers
have
rebuilt,
then
you
move
in
and
you
set
the
you
install
the
drain
and
when
the
router
levels
have
have
risen
enough,
then
you
go
back
and
you
set
the
outlet
height
the
elevation
height
for
your
outlet.
It
occurs
in
stages
and
during
that
it
looks
incomplete
because
it
is
incomplete,
but
we
now
have
five
of
our
seven
sites
that
are
working
as
intended
and
two
of
the
sites
the
Beavers
have
not
yet
returned.
G
B
Therefore
speaker,
series
I,
don't
know
how
you
could
manage
that.
But
you
know
I
just
just
this.
Past
week
we
got
a
call
from
a
resident
in
the
village
of
Medcalf.
That's
a
fox,
that's
playing
around
in
their
backyard
and
I
guess
likes
that
she
doesn't
feed
it,
but
it
stays
theirs
and
she's
not
sure
what
to
do
so.
B
G
B
We
could
just
as
a
friendly
amendment,
okay
thanks
very
much
and
I
I'd.
Are
there
any
closing
comments
from
any
members
of
committee?
I
just
wanted
very
briefly.
I
know
it's
been
a
long
morning
and
I
appreciate
the
people
coming
out
and
culmination
a
lot
of
work,
but
I
just
I.
Just
wanted
me
a
couple
comments.
One,
the
the
mayor's
office
and
the
mayor
himself
has
been
quite
actively
involved
with
this
file,
as
you
know,
and
he
is
very
interested
and
he
and
his
staff
are
very
interested
in
seeing
this
through.
He.
B
He
himself
is
concerned,
I.
Think
about
the
lack
of
support
that
we
have
from
the
Ministry
of
Natural
Resources
to
deal
with
wildlife
issues,
and
so
I
think
that
this
strategy
is
is
a
very
positive
step
forward
to
the
city,
I
think
as
councillor
mashenka.
Let's
point
out
that
and
you've
answered
that
over
the
time
that
we
will
add
to
it.
It's
it's
a
starting
point
and
we'll
build
on
it
and
there
may
be
change
that
will
be
made
and
I
think
we
do
this
quite
returning.
B
I
just
want
to
clarify,
also
and
I
think
it's
been
well
documented,
but
the
deputy
city
clerk
has
sent
me
the
terms
of
reference
and
it's
quite
specific
in
the
terms
of
reference
that
the
wildlife
management
is,
is
there
and
and
it
states
quite
clearly
on
matters
of
respect
to
development,
of
a
comprehensive
wildlife
management
strategy
for
the
conservation
management
and
where
necessary,
control
of
wildlife
in
conjunction
with
the
appropriate
agency.
So
that's
very
clearly
in
the
Mandate
of
Iraq
and
and
has
been
there
for
for
some
time
now
and
in
closing.
B
I
just
want
to
take
an
opportunity
again
to
thank
the
two
of
you
and
the
staff
that
have
been
involved
with
us
and
all
your
consultation,
I
know
and
I'm
not
one
to
to
to
use
my
position
as
a
theatre
or
anything
it's
a
prop,
but
I
just
for
those
people
here
and
I
think
most
councils
do.
We
have
all
received
a
lot
of
emails
and
a
lot
of
documents
and
I
think
that
we
continue
to
follow
this
quite
closely
because
it
is
an
important
part
of
our
development
and
certainly
from
the
rural
areas.
B
I
know,
probably,
six
years
ago,
seven
years
ago,
I
was
very
concerned
about
the
coyotes
in
in
in
Osgood
Ward
ingredient,
specifically,
and
since
that
time
perhaps
miss
white
would
agree
with
me.
I've
become
perhaps
more
humane,
but
I
think
it
is
important
that
we
have
a
strategy
that
will
look
after
the
wildlife
because
we
have
to
coexist
with
it
and
we,
you
know
we,
but
the
city
does
not
have
anything
at
all
really,
and
this
strategy
is,
as
I
said,
two
or
three
times
the
starting
point
for
us
to
move
forward.
B
B
There
there
any
in-camera
items,
no
anyone
to
speak
over
mic
session,
going
once
twice
gone,
notices
of
consideration
of
subsequent
meetings,
don't
see
any
any
inquiries
right
there
and
no
other
business,
and
our
next
meeting
is
September
the
5th
in
downtown
Cumberland.
So
we
look
forward
to
a
visit
to
and
we
will
now
adjourn
our
meeting.
Okay,
Thank
You
councillor,
deputy
mayor,
I'll
shoot
removes
adjournment.