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Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee – November 7, 2013 – Audio Stream
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A
B
B
C
B
And
I'll
just
read
my
required
statement.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
three
and
six
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
listed
above.
Only
those
who
make
all
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
a
matter
to
Interior
Municipal
Board.
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board.
B
If
council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
120
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
for
zoning
and
180
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment,
a
comment
sheet
is
available
at
the
door
for
anyone
wishing
to
submit
written
comments
on
these
amendments
so
that
we
will
go
through
the
agenda.
We
have
item
number
one:
a
drive
to
operating
capital
budget
for
the
Agriculture
and
Rural
Affairs
Committee
will
hold
opps
because
they
have
presentation
and
discussion.
B
There
are
no
speakers
on
this
and
I'll
just
read
the
motion
that
egg
Cultural
Affairs
Committee,
recommend
counsel
proven
a
member
to
zoning
by
2008
252
change,
the
zoning
of
100
Elysia
Crescent
from
royal
residential
sub-zone
3
to
rural
residential
sub-zone
3,
with
exception
to
remit
a
garden
suite
for
a
20-year
period,
as
shown
a
document
1
and
detail
in
document
2
sat
carried
item
number
for
Ontario
Municipal
Board
appeal
subdivision
and
Zoning
6
3
3,
5,
&,
6,
3,
5,
0,
Perth
Street.
We
have
speakers
on
that.
So
we'll
hold
Ott's
item.
B
That
the
agricultural
affairs
committee
recommend
council
approve
adjustments
to
the
world
community
building
grant
program
a
real
association
partnership
program,
as
outlined
in
this
report
and
elimination
of
the
building
permit
grant
for
farmers
on
that
is
that
carried
item
number
six
comprehensive
zoning
by
to
the
bylaw
2008
250
anomalies
of
minor
collections.
Third
report,
2013
that
the
Agriculture
and
Rural
Affairs
Committee
recommends
that
council
approved
the
amendments
recommended
in
column.
Three
of
documents,
2
&,
3
to
correct
anomalies
in
zoning
bylaw
2008
250
is
that
carried.
B
We
do
have
an
item
7
under
new
business,
and
we
will.
We
will
come
back
to
that.
We
have
to
move
waiver
to
have
that
on
the
agenda,
so
we'll
discuss
that
when
we
finished
the
other
items
that
were
held
so
with
that
we'll
go
back
to
item
1
of
the
2014
draft
operating
capital
budget,
agricultural
world
first
committee
and
I'll
turned
over
to
the
esteemed
mr.
Moody.
D
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
we
are
here
today.
One
of
the
items
is
to
consider
the
2014
operating
budget
and
capital
budget
tax-supported
for
for
the
agricultural
affairs
committee.
Just
as
a
quick
agenda
we'll
be
going
through
a
quick
presentation
we'll
be
allowing
room
for
public
delegations
followed
by
any
questions
you
may
have,
staff
may
have
of
staff,
we
do
have
staff
from
infrastructure,
services
and
I.
Believe
Public
Works
is
here
as
well.
Should
you
have
questions
of
those
departments?
D
The
budget
from
an
operating
perspective
that
we're
looking
at
today
is
the
development
review
role
and
the
Rural
Affairs
office.
It's
important
to
note
I
think
that
the
portions
of
the
branch,
the
reports
to
me,
that
that
is
not
that
that
is
not
specific
to
role
the
development
inspections,
as
well
as
the
bylaw
permits
and
inspections
groups,
are
being
approved
by
council.
D
So
these
these
initiatives
that
are
I
guess
the
operating
budget-
that's
before
you
today
is
strictly
for
rural
and
agricultural
affairs
committee,
as
you
all
know,
but
people
in
the
audience
may
not
be
familiar
with
is
is
unique
in
the
city
and
that
it's
the
only
standing
committee
that
is
based
based
on
geography,
as
opposed
to
subject
matter.
So
there
are.
There
are
role
portions
of
the
overall
city
budget
that
are
being
addressed
by
and
services
that
are
being
addressed
by
other
committees.
However,
these
are
the
areas
that
are
only
specific
to
rural.
D
D
Some
of
the
capital
highlights
in
the
breakdown
of
that
the
rural
structures
program,
which
is
you
know,
larger
culverts,
sometimes
called
bridges
or
overpasses,
but
you
know
for
most
of
the
people
in
the
rural
community.
They
look
at
them
as
box
culverts
or
larger.
More
significant
culverts
is
the
bulk
of
that.
At
three
point:
nine
million
we're
looking
at
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
guide
rail
upgrades.
We've
got
rural
road
upgrades,
so
this
is
taking
gravel
roads
and
increasing
the
standard.
D
They
may
still
be
a
gravel
road,
but
they
would
be
at
a
higher
standard
than
then
currently
1.1
million
and
we're
looking
at
some
some
funding
as
well
for
the
construction
of
Country
Club
Road,
which
is
now
known
as
Golf
Club
way
as
an
as
a
highlight,
I,
guess
and
I
think
this
is
relevant
and
important,
certainly
for
a
rural
residents.
Transportation
Committee
is
dealing
with
a
number
of
rural
road
resurfacing
projects,
and
this
is
actually
a
very
significant
number
compared
to
other
years.
D
At
sixteen
point,
four
million
dollars
being
spent
on
on
rural
road
resurfacing.
So
that's
repaving
we're
looking
at
two
point:
eight
million
dollars
in
rural
parks
being
constructed
this
year
associated
with
development,
and
we
are
looking
at
1.4
million
dollars
for
various
surface
light
street
lighting
network
modifications
and
signals
programs.
D
In
addition
to
that,
there's
also
portions
of
the
carp,
Road
Albion
Road
and
Ottawa
Road
174
that
are
in
the
rural
area
and
the
associated
numbers
for
those
projects
are
beside
them
at
2.9
million,
2.2
million
and
one
point
seven
million
dollars
accordingly.
I
won't
go
through
the
long
list,
but
for
unless
you
want
me
to,
but
for
the
for
the
sake
of
providing
some
clarity
as
to
where
those
projects
are,
this
list
provides.
The
the
the
projects
that
are
the
bridge
projects
are
the
structures.
D
Projects
that
are
happening
in
2014
are
being
funded
in
2014
and
throughout
the
rural
area,
from
a
railroad
upgrade
perspective.
We're
looking
at
upgrading
golden
line
from
Hamilton
sorrow
to
old,
Almonte,
Road
Stonecrest
road
from
Kilkenny
Drive
to
350
meters,
south
of
Ken
Burnside
Road,
as
well
as
Pierce
Road
from
Deer
Run
place
to
Malakoff,
currently
below
the
line.
D
So
if
there
is
funding
available
either
through
savings
through
existing
capital
programs
or
other
sources
of
funding,
is
Spruce
Ridge,
Road
from
Richardson
side,
road
to
Speedway,
Road
or
Blair
Road,
390
meters,
east
of
Bank,
to
offer
the
real-world
resurfacing
projects
a
fairly
long
list
and
and
that's
I
guess
the
list.
That's
before
you
that's
that
that
funding
project
is
being
funded
by
Transportation
Committee.
So
if
there's
any
projects
that,
if
there's
any
questions
we
can,
we
can
address
those
and
falling
below
the
line,
is
Dunning
Road.
B
E
Thank
You
chair
I'm,
just
a
quick
question
on
a
source
in
a
project
list.
You
do
have
the
Richmond
Bridge,
which
mcmean
listed,
but
when
I
go
into
the
the
breakdown
of
the
next
four
years,
it's
primarily
funded
in
2017.
So
it's
three
point:
three
million
dollars
in
2017
and
154,000
next
year.
So
what
exactly
was
happening
in
2014
for
that
bridge?.
E
A
B
B
A
Chair
internal
scope
of
work,
it
doesn't
kill
deep
the
resurfacing
in
terms
of
the
debrief
shoulders,
that's
linked
to
the
second
plan,
so
we're
still
working
with
at
the
planning
and
growth
in
terms
of
the
outcome
of
the
cycling
plan.
Recommendations
to
integrate
that,
with
the
with
the
plan
works
on
Albion
wrote
in
terms
of
widening
there's
no
lane
lightnings
being
planned,
but
certainly
we
are
looking
at
improving
a
width
of
a
of
the
existing
platform
along
that
road.
B
No
because
this
is
a
very
important
north-south
road
for
the
rural
areas
and
they're
out
of
people
that
use
it
hard
to
believe
for
cycling.
But
when
will
you
know
if
you
are
going
to
be
paving
the
shoulders?
It's
just
me.
I
just
need
no
timeframe,
because
it's
a
it's
a
big
concern
to
create
a
community
Association
and
a
lot
of
people
nos
get
bored.
A
Sure
sure
it's
a
the
cycling
plan
is
being
approved
as
part
of
the
transportation
master
plan
later
this
month.
So
once
the
cycling
plan
is
approved,
it
will
identify
basically
Albion's
wrote
status
as
a
slaking
route
and
based
on
the
recommendations
from
that
that
will
be
incorporated
into
their
works
plan
for
for
2014,
so
we'll
be
able
to
confirm
once
that
plan
is
approved,
their
works
that
are
being
planned
for
Albion,
Road.
Ok,.
B
F
F
Thank
you
for
that.
Mr.
Newland.
The
reason
I'm
asking
is,
you
know
you
don't
want
to
disrupt
the
traffic
on
that
road
twice.
You
know
within
the
two
years
of
each
other
or
a
year
of
each
other.
So
if
you
can
tied
together
that
you
know
would
work
well
for
the
community
as
well
as
for
the
people
using
it.
Yes,
surely
we'll
take
a
good
look
at
it
to
make
sure
that
we
minimize
minimize
the
overall
disruption
to
the
community?
Thank
you,
Thank
You,
mr.
chair.
G
Mayor
ocean
Terry,
thank
you.
Thank
you
mr.
chair,
and
thank
you
to
staff
for
the
presentation,
but
maybe
when
you
said
our
budget
will
be
will
be
decreased
by
2.4
million.
Can
you
elaborate
a
little
bit
more
about
that?
I've
checked
the
list
here
what's
gone,
but
this
issue
has
a
lot
of
detail.
Sure.
D
Some
so
mr.
chair
just
to
be
clear:
it's
2.4
percent
reduction,
there's
a
reduction
of
$80,000
and
then
the
the
rationale
for
that
is
based
on
our
benefits.
Costs
for
employees
and
the
portions
of
operating
funding
which
are
in
front
of
you
are
both
for
the
Rural
Affairs
Office,
as
well
as
the
development
review
within
the
rural
area,
sort
of
planners
and
engineers
that
that
conduct
conduct
development,
review
projects
or
review
development
projects,
those
those
staff
members,
the
benefits
costs
for
them
have
to
have
decreased
because
they're
in
there
either
MPE
or
CI
PP.
D
So
so,
we've
actually
seen
a
reduction
in
those
in
those
costs
we've
also
hired
and
through
just
through
normal
staff
turnover
we've
had
some
senior
staff
leave
being
replaced
by
more
junior
staff,
which
are
at
a
lower
pay
grade,
and
that's
been
one
of
the
one
of
the
contributing
factors
to
that
as
well.
Okay
and.
G
Mr.
chief,
who
can
ask
mr.
Newell
and
miss
organizations
that
we
don't
see
them
often
in
this
committee,
but
the
question
we
like
to
see
when
would
we
receive
as
a
council
a
full
update?
Two
years
ago
we
bought
up
two
hundred
million
dollars
and
then
the
city
contribute
135
to
add
four
roads
in
general,
bridges
and
ditches,
and
so
where
we
get
the
list
what's
been
done
and
lets
me
to
continue
to
be
done.
F
Yes,
I
mean
approximately,
but
a
year
ago,
in
advance
of
last
budget
cycle,
we
did
bring
a
report
forward
with
the
with
the
status
of
the
program
and
we're
now
into
year.
Three
of
that
program
was
the
original
three
hundred
forty
million
dollar
funding
for
it,
but
allowed
us
to
advance
projects
into
2014
with
an
overall
envelope
in
the
range
of
five
hundred
million,
so
that
there
hasn't
been
determined
a
formal
bring
back
to
to
committee.
We
certainly
can
do
that.
G
What
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
all
of
us
to
receive
that
update
because
we
received
the
first
year
that
we
haven't
received
the
final,
if
it's
possible,
just
to
see
how
our
one
or
more
help
us
to
advance
some
of
this
work?
Otherwise,
we'll
have
to
wait
longer.
Basically,
certainly
we
can.
We
can
do
that.
Thank
You
mr.
chair
Thank,.
B
And
whereas
five
hundred
and
twenty
two
thousand
in
additional
authority
was
inadvertently,
omitted
from
the
submission
and
is
required
in
order
to
fund
the
class,
a
detailed
design,
cost
estimate
and
Perez.
This
additional
requirement
will
be
funded
from
the
citywide
capital.
Reserve
fund,
therefore
be
resolved
at
the
Agriculture
and
Rural
Affairs
Committee
approved
the
amended
pages
10
11,
12
and
13
of
the
capital
budget
and
be
it
FURTHER
RESOLVED
that
these
replace
the
existing
pages
to
be
presented
to
Council
on
the
27th
of
November
2013.
Is
that
a
technical
amendment
carried
okay?
B
H
H
We
feel
we
are
not
yet
in
a
position
to
prepare
a
draft
plan,
approval
conditions
and
cannot
recommend
draft
approval
for
the
subdivision.
As
a
result,
we
are
recommending
committee
refused
the
subdivision
at
this
time
for
the
zoning
bylaw.
It
relates
directly
to
the
subdivision
and
we
typically
do
not
consider
their
approval
until
after
subdivision
draft
approval,
and
as
a
result
of
that,
we
are
asking
that
committee
recommend
council
refused
the
zoning
bylaw
this
time.
H
H
H
This
is
the
demonstration
plan
for
the
Western
development
lands
and
again,
the
subject:
lands
are
on
either
side
of
Perth
Street
to
the
north
and
the
south
of
Perth
Street.
The
yellow
shows
the
proposal
proposed
layout
for
single-family
homes.
The
green
shows
the
proposed
Park
locations,
the
stormwater
management
pond
proposed
and
open
space,
along
with
the
north-south
collector
Road,
which
would
serve
the
majority
of
the
trafficking.
The
majority
of
the
traffic
in
and
out
of
a
proposed
development.
H
As
well,
you
can
see
that
van
gaal
drain
is
located
in
this
area
at
the
moment,
and
it
shows
open
space
buffering
adjacent
to
it.
The
orange
orange
and
Red's
colors
are
predominantly
higher
density,
forms
of
residential
development
being
multiples
and
other
forms
of
multiple
town
other
than
the
street
towns
as
well.
H
H
This
is
the
layout
of
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision
again
per
street
runs
through
the
middle.
The
collector
runs
north
and
south
through
that,
through
the
lands
the
park
block
is
proposed
to
be
located
here.
The
storm
pond
and
the
open
space
associated
with
it.
There's
an
unused
Hydra
corridor
running
through
here.
The
existing
van
gaal
drain
runs
here,
and
it's
proposed
to
be
realigned
to
the
Eastern
property
line.
H
The
layout
of
the
subdivision
is
generally
consistent
with
the
demonstration
plan
from
the
community
design
plan
for
the
Western
development
lands.
It
does
show
the
park
in
the
stormwater
management
and
the
general
layout
of
the
roads
is
consistent
with
the
design
plan.
The
proposed
plan
of
subdivision
shows
the
residential
blocks
as
blocks
and
not
individual
Lots.
So
we
don't
know
the
details
of
the
lauding.
H
And
next,
the
issues
outstanding
from
our
perspective
remain
outstanding
and
they
are
in
with
summary,
the
stormwater
management
and
environmental
assessment
relating
to
stormwater
management,
the
drainage
outlet
for
the
subdivision
and
the
Arbuckle
and
van
gaal
drains,
specifically
the
interim
floodplain
financial
plan
dealing
with
the
servicing
of
the
Western
development
lands,
in
particular
some
of
the
details
relating
to
the
water
servicing
and
then
the
layout
of
the
subdivision.
We
feel
that
these
items
need
to
be
addressed,
at
least
at
a
conceptual
level
prior
to
proceeding
to
draft
approval
in
July
2010.
H
The
community
design
plan
for
the
village
of
richmond
was
approved
by
committee
and
council
with
a
number
of
directions
provided
to
staff.
This
particular
one
deals
with
the
environmental
assessment
relating
to
stormwater
management
and
that
the
stormwater
solution
has
to
be
provided
to
address
everything
for
ana
drainage
of
the
individual
foundations
of
homes
through
to
the
stormwater
management
pond.
H
H
We
need
to
know
what
the
comprehensive
solution
is
for
the
Western
development
lands.
Before
we
can
craft
draft
conditions
that
will
allow
us
to
move
forward
to
the
registration
and
the
development
of
the
subdivision
as
part
of
the
stormwater
management
solution,
we
need
to
be
sure
that
there
will
the
site
can
be
developed
and
drained
without
impacting
the
upstream
and
downstream
property
owners
any
existing
and
future
residents,
including
the
future
homeowners
within
the
development
towards
reaching
a
stormwater
solution.
H
Those
site
constraints
include
soils,
some
sensitive
marine
clay
soils,
some
groundwater
levels
that
may
be
higher
than
what
may
be
anticipated
in
other
areas,
as
well
as
some
some
issues
related
to
the
receiving
water
courses
and
their
capacity
to
accommodate
the
city
does
not
contemplate
basements
that
are
below
normal
groundwater
level,
and
that's
essentially
our
starting
point.
When
we're
looking
at
addressing
this,
this
council
direction
the
elevation
of
groundwater
level
from
staffs
perspective
perspective
has
not
yet
been
agreed
to.
H
The
environmental
assessment
has
been
directed
by
counsel-
it's
not
necessarily
a
ministry,
the
environment
recommend
or
requirement
for
this
to
perceive
this
development
to
proceed
forward,
but
it
is
a
direction
that's
been
given
to
staff.
We
see
that
we
need
to
have
that
solution
brought
back
to
the
public
to
the
community
that
stops.
The
city
needs
to
accept
it,
and
then
we
need
to
have
that
posted
as
being
a
completed
process.
H
H
The
other
issue
relating
to
the
receiving
water
course
is
what
is
known
as
relates
to
what
is
known
as
the
Arbuckle
drain,
which
extends
from
the
van
gaal
de
route
drained
down
to
the
Jacque
River.
There's.
Also,
the
more
branch
of
that
drain,
both
of
those
have
been
subject
to
a
petition
drain
that
is
I,
guess
still
an
open
file
with
the
city.
H
We
are
aware
that
there's
existing
concerns
with
the
Arbuckle
drain
and
erosion
on
private
property,
and
it's
an
existing
situation.
We
do
have
some
concerns
that
that
situation
may
be
made
worse
with
this
development,
and
need
can
need
confirmation
that
that
that
can
be
addressed
as
part
of
that
we
that
would
also
ensure
that
we
would
also
be
looking
to
ensure
that
we
have
legal
and
sufficient
outlet
for
the
van
gaal
drain,
as
well
as
the
receiving
waters.
From
this
development
into
the
Arbuckle
drain,
so
that
we're
not
impacting
private
property
owners.
H
This
is
from
the
Richmond,
the
village
of
Richmond's
secondary
plan.
Again,
these
are
the
subject:
lands,
north
and
south
of
1st
Street.
The
are
the
sorry
the
van
gaal
drain
is
here
the
open
space
relating
to
the
storm
pond,
the
yellowest
residential
uses
in
the
green
air
parks
and
the
open
space
buffer
lands,
the
blue
lines
lined
or
shaded
areas
are
regulatory
floodplains
or
a
permanent
floodplain.
The
orange
north
of
or
the
red
north
of
Perth
Street
is
an
interim
floodplain,
and
the
secondary
plan
identifies
that.
H
B
H
Provincial
policy
statement
and
the
Official
Plan
do
not
contemplate
development
in
the
floodplain.
So
that's
one
of
the
issues
in
proceeding
forward
to
draft
approval
that
we
have
not
had
addressed.
Yet
we
need
the
conservation
authority
to
be
in
a
position
to
support
the
development
and
to
have
the
floodplain
removed.
H
H
This
is
an
ongoing
issue
that
we
can
resolve.
I
believe
the
other
issue
relates
to
subdivision
layout,
and
this
community
design
plan
does
call
for
a
larger
style
of
Lots,
and
neither
the
zoning
requested
or
the
draft
plan
of
subdivision
identifies
where
these
parcels
can
be
we're
looking
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
buffering
or
an
easing
into
the
lot
sizes
that
are
being
contemplated
in
this
application,
which
are
at
a
higher
density
than
the
existing
village.
H
H
H
D
Mr.
chair,
in
addition
to
some
of
the
technical
details
that
Cheryl's
put
forward,
there
have
been
I
guess
a
number
of
points
of
potential
confusion
that
have
come
up
in
recent
days,
both
some
from
some
members
of
the
public
and
and
members
of
committee
and
council
and
I
would
like
to
just
quickly
address
a
couple
of
those
and
then
I'll
we're
always
open
to
questions
from
members
of
the
committee.
D
There
are
some
some
some
people
that
may
think
that,
what's
before
you
today
is
a
question
of
whether
this
land
should
be
developed
and
and
and
mr.
chair,
that
question
was
answered
back
in
2010
when
the
CDP
was
approved.
That's
not
a
decision!
That's
before
you
today,
there's
questions
some
people
that
may
think
that
the
development
or
the
reason
we're
here
before
you
today,
is
to
talk
about
a
reduction
in
numbers
or
density,
and,
and
that's
not
that's
not
what's
before
you
today.
The
discussion
really
isn't
about
numbers
or
densities.
D
Today
that
the
discussion
today
is
really
about.
Has
the
developer
met
all
of
the
requirements
required
to
take
that
next
step
and
and
mr.
chair
I
think
staff's
position.
That's
before
you
is
that
our
opinion
is
they
haven't
in
keeping
with
the
direction
that
was
provided
where
to
to
us
by
council
back
in
2010
that
there's
still
some
hurdles
to
get
over.
We
continue
to
work
with
the
developer.
D
To
get
over
those
hurdles,
we
will
continue
to
work
with
the
developer
to
to
get
to
those
to
get
over
those
hurdles
in
a
means
that
is
consistent
with
the
CDP
and
consistent
with
the
direction
provided
to
us
by
council,
leading
up
to
and
beyond
the
upcoming
pre-hearing
date
at
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board,
and
you
know
I
guess.
While
there
are
a
number
of
issues
still
outstanding,
there
has
been
progress
made
on
those
issues
in
recent
times
and
we
expect
continued
progress
to
be
made
on
those
going
forward.
B
Thank
you
for
that,
mr.
Moody,
and
we
appreciate
the
the
comprehensive
report
that
mr.
McWilliams
has
just
presented
to
us.
We
I
think
we
all
understand
that
Richmond
is
one
of
the
three
major
villages
in
the
world
areas
and
we
appreciate
her
work
and
your
work
and
that
of
accounts
from
often
trying
to
deal
with
this
important
issue.
We
have
six
speakers,
so
I
think
that
we
will
move
to
unless
there
are
specific
questions.
I
prefer
that
we
go
to
the
speakers
and
then
take
questions
or
comments
from
members.
So
we
have
mr.
B
A
A
A
There's
no
question
that
the
outstanding
issues
that
are
before
you,
which
staff
is
very
very
clearly
and
very
well
as
a
result
of
that
CEP
being
adopted
as
a
finished
document,
with
the
exception,
since
the
first
foreclosure
of
the
CDP
process
was
brought
about
by
then
councilor
for
a
real
Goulburn,
because
and
I
quote,
although
it's
not
limited,
but
it
was
said
to
me
directly
by
the
thin
councilor
that
the
CDP
process
had
to
be
finished.
Because
vote
not
of
me
wants
it
done.
A
A
Elevations
stormwater
management
not
saying
this
jokingly,
that
the
stone
water
management
plan
that
I've
been
pretty
to
view
looks
as
if
there's
going
to
be
an
attempt
to
make
that
just
doesn't
work.
Yet
perhaps
it
magnetic
here,
but
not
another
one,
and
therefore
fully
supportive
of
the
staff
recommendations
at
this
committee
and
then
full
council
reject
the
applications
by
the
presidential
nod
of
interest
and
note
are
the
last
pages
of
staff
recommendations
at
ten
or
twelve
points.
A
There
are
very
few
of
those
points
that
should
be
excluded
from
your
consideration,
but
I
would
bring
to
your
attention
particular
point:
six,
seven
12
19,
21,
23
and
24.
That's
probably
half
of
the
points
that
the
public
raised
of
concern
and
staff
has
to
this
part
address
them.
They've
indicated
that
they
have
the
same
concerns
that
the
residents
of
the
village
of
Richmond
and
those
members
of
the
CDP
committee,
who
had
no
financial
interest
in
this
development,
in
other
words
those
who
were
serving
on
the
committee
as
pure
citizens,
expressed
those
concerns.
A
B
A
B
I
You
a
thank
you,
members
of
a
rock,
my
name
is
Peter
Moore,
Richmond
resident
and
our
home
is
directly
adjacent
to
these
Western
development
lands.
I
miss
the
one,
the
former
landowners
whose
property
has
been
purchased
by
one
of
the
opponents
for
this
development.
When
I
oppose
the
city's
current
recommendation
on
this
matter,
my
opposition
to
this
matter
is
based
on
the
inconsistencies
of
this
recommendation
with
councilors
July
2010
decision,
with
conditions
to
approve
the
CDP
I
personally
attended
many
of
the
CDP
meetings
and
my
wife
served
as
the
official
secretary
for
the
CDP.
I
Of
course,
we
need
CDP
participants
had
conflicting
opinions
and
viewpoints,
which
is
natural,
but
everybody
had
the
opportunity
participate.
The
CDP
was
open,
transparent,
well,
publicized,
well,
attended
and
well
documented.
Excuse
me,
the
city
presented
the
CDP
to
us
as
an
open
consultative
structured
process
with
the
assurance
that
the
results
would
be
acted
upon.
It
was
your
commitment
that
persuaded
myself
and
my
fellow
citizens
to
spend
countless
hours
in
our
library,
schools
in
arena,
debating
the
merits
of
various
development
schemes,
hydrogeological
ports,
spark
studies,
traffic
and
other
aspects.
I
I
have
no
idea
how
much
money
was
spent,
but
it
was
certainly
in
the
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars,
and
this
does
not
include
thousands
of
volunteer
hours
devoted
to
this
activity.
With
respect
to
the
matter
before
you
today
and
contrary
to
countless
decision
in
July
2010,
the
see
is
now
amending
our
imposing
new
restrictions
on
the
original
conditions
and
I
refer
you
to
item
10
as
an
example.
The
justification
for
these
new
conditions
is
dubious
and
unclear.
For
example,
surely
the
city
is
not
proposing
to
spend
mr.
I
O'connor's
valuable
time
at
an
OMB
hearing
to
argue
the
proposed
setbacks,
don't
provide
enough
room
for
trees.
I
would
have
hoped
the
city
could
resolve
tree
locations
through
discussion
and
not
litigation
when
I
take
particular
issue
with
the
city
referring
to
uncertainties
with
the
Arbuckle
and
van
gaal
drains.
As
part
of
your
reasoning,
the
city
is
solely
responsible
for
any
delays
on
this
file,
which
date
back
to
2005.
I
know
this
since
I'm
one
of
the
original
petitioners.
I
It
would
take
far
longer
than
my
a
lot
of
time
here
day
to
walk
you
through
the
bizarre
history
of
this
application,
but
suffice
to
say
the
city
bears
full
responsibility
for
the
glaze
I
personally
appeared
before
this
committee
years
ago
on
this
matter
to
withdraw
my
original
petition
and
then
just
as
frustrated
now
as
I
was
then.
The
Fluellen
drain
is
a
direct
and
relevant
precedent,
and
yet
the
city
still
refuses
to
negotiate
in
good
faith
to
extricate.
I
I
Frankly,
the
brief
and
half
further
presentation
by
the
city
representatives
at
the
start
of
this
meeting
was
not
informative,
well
well-received.
As
a
result,
I
was
disappointed,
but
not
surprised
to
hear
many
of
the
same
concerns
on
water
and
wastewater,
which
were
addressed
during
the
CDP
arise.
Again,
perhaps
seas
are
understandable
for
my
fellow
citizens
who
did
not
participate
in
the
CDP.
However,
it's
inexcusable
for
the
city
representatives
to
be
unprepared
to
respond
to
the
questions.
I
The
Redeemers
comments,
concerns
expressed
on
the
water
supply
for
the
new
development,
and
these
exact
same
issues
were
tabled,
discussed,
studied,
discussed
again
and
resolved
during
the
CDP
process.
I
took
the
time
to
study
the
engineering
reports
on
this
topic
and
the
results
are
unanimous
and
unequivocal.
There
was
more
than
ample
water
for
this
development
from
the
Nepean
deep
aquifer,
so
my
fellow
residents
concerns
could
have
been
allayed
if
the
city's
representatives
had
prepared
themselves
to
respond
to
these
questions.
I
It's
unfortunate
that
after
so
much
time,
effort
and
money
has
been
invested
to
study
the
issue.
Some
of
the
meetings
attendees
also
resorted
to
fear-mongering
or
sport
to
the
safety
with
respect
to
the
safety
of
our
existing
shallow
wells.
There
are
also
many
comments
on
stormwater,
which,
in
my
opinion,
is
the
complex
issue
and
deserving
of
scrutiny.
The
construction
of
burns
are
hanging
with
spring
freshet,
the
appearance
of
standing
water
in
fields
all
these
serve
Tomatoes,
an
issue.
You
have
one
minute.
I
Thank
you
that
concerned
residents
the
capacity
the
retention
ponds
to
deal
with
flooding
and
100
you
rain
events
is
critical,
and
then
we
hear
that
a
thousand
plus
homes
are
going
to
be
discharging
sunk
water
into
the
Arbuckle
drain.
That
sounds
like
a
lot
of
water,
however,
by
demonstrating
using
a
simple
graphic,
the
Bisbal
and
is
actually
a
small
percentage
of
the
actual
runoff.
The
issue
could
have
been
put
in
the
proper
context.
The
city
could
have
been
prepared
to
address
these
issues
with
a
short
summary,
the
important
engineer's
reports
and
layman's
language.
I
Finding
as
I
recall
from
both
the
CDP
and
house-to-house
surveys
taken
by
a
former
councillor,
the
large
majority
of
residents
want
to
see
our
community
improve
with
more
services
and
amenities.
So
if
you
pulled
everyone
in
Richmond,
you
would
find
a
small
group
strongly
for
a
small
do
a
similar
number
strongly
against
and
the
vast
majority
of
residents
will
be
basically
neutral.
The
single
biggest
message
that
arose
from
the
CDP
was,
with
all
due
respect.
We
do
not
want
to
become
another
bar
Hayden
or
Kannada
with
tract
housing
and
featureless
subdivisions.
I
B
E
For
coming,
I
just
want
to
clarify
one
thing
you
mentioned:
you
started
speaking
about
the
communal
wells
and
water
that
that's
not
one
of
the
issues
here.
That's
not
one
be
outstanding
issues,
so
they
seem
to
have
some
choice:
words
about
about
people's
opposition
to
that,
but
when
you
look
at
the
rationale
behind
why
staff
are
currently
opposing
this
or
or
in
the
position
that
they
have
to
you
right
now,
none
of
those
issues
have
to
do
with
the
communal
wealth
system
or
the
water
supply.
Yeah.
I
I
think
my
point,
councillor
Martha,
was
only
that
the
city
has
made
a
commitment
through
the
CTP
process,
to
move
this
file
forward
and
during
the
public
meeting.
This
issue
was
rose
from
many
different
residents
as
an
increase
referred
to.
But
there
was
really
no
attempt
by
the
city's
representatives
to
basically
defuse
the
issue,
so
that
general
leads
to
support
or
opposition
to
the
development
from
residents,
and
so
I
was
just
disappointed
that
the
city's
own
representatives
didn't
refer
and
talk
to
their
previous
colleagues
that
gone
Morse,
who
led
the
CDP.
I
E
But
this
isn't
really
a
process
of
trying
to
sell
the
community
on
the
development.
This
is
a
process
of
working
with
the
developer.
To
try
to
resolve
resolve
some
of
the
outstanding
issues.
Unfortunately,
we
have
to
develop
a
position
to
be
able
to
argue
something
in
front
of
the
OMB.
Hopefully
we
don't
have
to
go
do
B.
We
can
figure
this
stuff
out
in
the
coming
weeks.
Sure
as
of
right
now,
we
have
no
choice
but
to
actually
develop
our
position.
Well,.
I
B
J
Thank
you.
Mr.
chair
members
of
the
committee,
I
have
four
points.
I
would
underline
for
your
consideration
today.
My
first
point
is
as
you're
well
aware,
the
Richmond
Village
Association
actively
participated
in
the
development
of
Richmond's
CDP
you're.
No
doubt
also
aware
that
we
run
record
with
our
views
that
the
existing
CDP
and
secondary
plan
is
incomplete
and
fall
short
of
Richmond
village
associations
and
residents
expectations
in
a
number
of
critical
areas.
J
The
second
point
I
wish
to
make
is
that
we
want
to
thank
city
staff
for
its
report
of
October
24th
to
Iraq
first
for
recognizing
the
deficiencies
in
the
subdivision
and
zoning
application,
and
second
for
standing
firm
on
the
need
to
resolve
each
of
the
outstanding
issues
they
detailed
therein.
Members
of
Iraq
need
to
be
aware
that
the
RBA
board
of
directors
fully
supports
the
recommendation
being
made
by
staff
to
you
today.
J
My
third
point
is
really
an
elaboration
on
a
number
of
the
major
areas
of
concern
outlined
in
the
staffs
report
to
you.
The
staff
pointed
out
that
the
resolution
of
financial
implications,
as
as
cited
in
July
10
motion
need
to
be
resolved.
Our
comment
from
the
RBA
is
that
development
of
the
Western
development
lands
must
be
self-sustaining.
The
total
cost
for
infrastructure
improvement
of
all
types
necessary
to
support
development
should
not
come
out
of
taxpayer
funds
in
the
urban
core
nor
from
the
pockets
of
current
Richmond
residents.
J
Second
point
I'd
like
to
elaborate
on
is
the
completion
of
the
stormwater
management
works
and
and
related
issues.
City
staff
report
there
I
think
covers
our
concerns
adequately
and
that's
I'll
just
leave
the
comment
at
that
third
area.
I'd
like
to
elaborate
on
a
subdivision,
lay
out
the
proposal
of
a
developer
for
exceptions
and
encroachments
on
already
tight
setbacks
of
lots
will
result
in
a
development
out
of
character
with
the
village
and
contrary
to
provincial
policy
on
rural
versus
urban
design.
J
No
other
plan
that
we
are
aware
of
for
a
rural
village
in
Ottawa
contemplates
such
a
development.
The
proposal
stands
in
stark
contrast
to
the
rural
setting
of
Richmond,
one
of
Ottawa
area's
oldest
communities,
celebrating
its
200th
anniversary
in
2018,
adding
taken
together
with
another
proposal
that
is
being
considered
by
council
for
lands.
J
South
of
Perth
Street
will
be
adding
five
thousand
plus
new
residents
to
the
Western
development
lands,
a
community
of
roughly
4700,
that's
a
doubling
of
Richmond,
and
it
will
simply
contribute
to
urban
sprawl
of
the
worst
kind
in
what
is
a
rural
setting,
the
infrastructure
to
support
large
numbers
of
new
residents
exists
in
the
urban
core.
It
does
not
currently
exist
in
Richmond.
J
Still
continuing
on
subdivision
layout
Richmond
is
on
flat,
open
and
often
windy.
Farmland.
Trees
are
especially
important
in
this
environment
and
sufficient
space
must
be
provided
for
them
throughout
the
proposed
subdivision
as
well
park.
Space
setbacks,
rights-of-way
connecting
footpaths,
sidewalks
and
bike
paths
should
complete
the
existing
abilities,
complement
the
existing
village
plan
and
provide
a
safe
and
secure
a
welcoming
environment.
J
Final
area
of
elaboration
lack
of
existing
facilities
is
of
major
concern
to
Richmond
residents,
parks,
roads,
schools,
community,
centers,
etc,
which
means
public
facilities
are
currently
at
capacity
or
beyond,
and
one
of
the
toughest
questions
we
keep
receiving
at
the
Association
from
residents
is
given
all
the
issues
large
development
presents.
What
advantage
will
development
bring
to
us
other
than
some
potential
private
business
development?
We
really
don't
have
a
good
answer
to
that
question.
J
You
my
final
point:
the
ritual
Association
wants
to
be
clear
that
we
welcome
development.
We
are
not
trying
to
stop
development
on
the
Western
development
lands,
but
we
will
only
welcome
development
if
it
is
sustainable.
Environmentally
sound
brings
identifiable
benefits
to
the
community
and
is
in
keeping
with
the
provincial
policy
statement
on
use
of
existing
urban
infrastructure,
while
discouraging
urban
sprawl.
Recent
examples
in
Richmond
of
developments
with
respect
those
norms
include
the
colony
development,
King's
grant
Richmond
Gate,
Richmond
Oaks
and
several
others.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
C
K
Here,
with
January
Cohen,
who
is
my
associate,
we
filed
the
appeals
on
behalf
of
the
applicants.
It
has
often
been
suggested,
sir,
that
I
like
going
to
the
OMB
I,
don't
because,
when
I
go
to
the
OMB,
I've
already
failed.
What
I
do
like
is
being
in
the
OMB.
Yes,
instead
of
five
minutes,
I
have
10
to
15
days
to
put
on
trial
what
I
believe
is
appropriate
and
over
those
10
to
15
days.
The
truth
has
a
way
of
coming
out
the
whole
truth.
K
This
is
what
it
takes
to
file
for
subdivision
approval,
as
I
heard,
miss
MacWilliams.
It
sounded
as
on
my
client.
It
sent
a
letter
sank
and
we
have
subdivision
approval.
I
want
you
to
know
what
it
means
to
take
a
report
that
you
have
and
read
it
in
the
privacy
of
your
office
or
home.
If
you're,
if
you
are
my
client
or
my
clients,
experts,
the
first
thing
that
that
report
is
saying
is
that
my
clients
and
their
experts
are
incompetent.
K
That's
clearly
stated
between
the
lines,
and
that
is
not
true
and
that
will
be
demonstrated
at
the
hearing.
They've
spent
an
enormous
amount
of
time
on
this.
All
the
necessary
information.
Is
there?
The
second
thing
that
is
being
said
and
and
I
hope,
you'll
hear
these
words
carefully.
Is
it
your
CDP
pro
process
is
flawed,
that
there's
no
point
having
a
CDP
that
it
stands
for
nothing.
K
My
clients
bought
that
land
depending
on
that
process
and
on
the
finished
product,
and
the
third
thing
that
report
says
is
that
staff
and
I
say
this
respectfully:
either
does
not
understand
what
drought
plan
approval
means
or
they've
decided.
It
should
mean
everything
else.
I
will
spend
ten
days
demonstrating
woodenness
McWilliams
said
is
not
so,
but
here's
the
incredibly
important
point,
even
if
she
were
right
on
every
point,
my
client
would
still
satisfy
the
requirements
for
Drive
plan
approval,
because
draft
plan
approval
means
approval.
K
K
And
that's
most
regrettable
I'm
going
to
ask
this
committee
to
do
two
things
which
it
can
do
and
still
send
this
matter
off
to
the
board
and
I
can
confirm
that
we
will
continue
to
work
with
your
staff
if
they
will
continue
to
work
with
us.
There
is
no
reason
whatsoever
that
the
financial
plan
should
be
an
impediment
to
the
approval
of
this
draft
plan
of
subdivision
and
I'm,
going
to
ask
you
to
state
that
categorically
all
the
material
necessary
was
supposed
to
be
prepared
by
your
staff.
K
K
K
Thank
you
to
require
my
client
to
go
through
stages,
three
and
four,
the
new
a
process.
The
process
has
been
completed.
It
was
completed
at
the
time
of
the
CDP
Council
wanted
more
work.
More
work
has
been
done,
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
eliminate
the
stage
four
and
notice
of
completion
of
the
EA
by
bringing
that
to
Council
and
eliminated
as
an
impediment
to
my
clients
approval.
Thank
you,
sir
I.
Thank.
B
B
F
Good
morning
my
name
is
Doug
cows
I'm,
the
owner
of
Richmond
home
hardware,
I'm
here
today,
just
to
support
this
development
in
terms
of
engineering.
I
can't
really
add
anything
to
that.
But
I
just
want
to
add
my
perspective
as
a
business
owner
to
show
the
importance
of
this
development
to
the
community,
which
we
needs
more
residential
development.
That
would
clearly
exists
to
support
local
businesses.
Right
now.
F
Everybody
in
the
town
is
I,
mean
I,
think
they're
doing
okay,
but
obviously
there's
a
room
to
do
better
right
now,
they're
half
of
our
business
has
done
outside
of
Richmond
and
I'd
like
to
change
that
the
the
Richmond
palasa,
which
we
are
tenten
tenten,
has
been
run
down
for
years
due
to
the
fact
that
the
the
owner
cannot
charge
enough
rent
to
fix
it
up
and
the
tenants
don't
have
enough
money
to
reinvest
in
their
business.
The
only
way
to
change
this
is
with
population
growth.
F
F
I'm
sure
that
you
know
concerns
that
have
been
raised
with
this
subdivision
can
be
solved
if
they
haven't
already
been
the
people
that
there
are
some
people
in
the
town
that
are
just
against
development
in
general
and
but
I
feel
that
view
is
just
unrealistic.
We're
too
close
to
Ottawa
and,
like
I,
said
it's
just
unrealistic.
F
There
will
probably
also
some
concerns
with
the
colonnades
development,
similar
to
what's
going
on
now,
probably
not
in
the
same
scale,
but
I
know
that
no
one's
complaining
that
there's
Tim
Hortons
there
and
a
brand
new
independent
grocer.
So
it's
good
for
the
community
I
just
believe
this
development
is
good
for
the
community
and
it's
good
for
small
business.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
You
very
much
nah
I'm,
pretty
sure
I
don't
see
any
questions,
but
that
is.
That
is
a
always
a
major
concern
in
a
rural
village.
Is
that
balance
of
protecting
the
community
and
attracting
new
residents,
because
I
think
all
of
us
in
the
world
areas
agree
that
the
rural
villages
need
that
influx
of
new
residents
to
help
businesses
and
and
associated
community
I
mean.
F
L
I
came
here
today
as
a
resident.
Richmond
I
have
a
farm
in
Richmond,
I'm,
a
property
owner
adjacent
to
the
property.
That's
considered
for
development.
I
was
part
of
the
steering
committee.
This
goes
back
to
2008,
there's
only
a
handful
of
people
that
are
in
this
room
today
that
started
when
this
process
started
and
I
have
concerns
that
I
was
proud
of
the
CDP.
L
Why
do
we
do
it
here
at
this
point?
Right
now,
you
know,
there's
a
handful
of
people
that
are
trying
to
hold
this
development
back,
but
I
personally
feel
that
most
of
us
is
stall
tactics,
they're
completely
stalling,
trying
to
buy
time
hoping
this
development
will
never
happen
as
a
resident
Richmond.
If
you
wanted
to
buy
underwear
or
a
pair
of
socks,
what
would
be
the
first
thing?
You'd
have
to
do.
You'd
have
to
leave
Richmond
and
go
buy
them
someplace
else.
L
Well,
some
of
these
people
don't
understand
is
in
order
to
run
a
business.
You
have
to
have
people
buying
stuff
from
your
business
and
we're
there
people
you
got
nothing
so
when
little
Charlie
your
grandson
wants
a
job
in
the
community.
There
has
to
be
places
for
Johnny
to
find
that
job.
In
order
to
find
those
jobs
you
have
to
have
businesses
there.
I
I
just
don't
understand
why
you
have
a
developer
here.
L
I
know
you
have
to
get
it
right
and
we
don't
want
a
real
ghost
village
when
you
have
a
development,
it's
willing
to
spend
probably
a
billion
in
the
next
10
to
15
years
in
this
community,
with
restaurants,
where
the
construction
workers
of
media
and
so
on,
and
so
on.
I,
don't
know
why
there's
so
many
roadblocks
for
these
developers
when
they
they're
trying
to
improve
for
the
most
part
where
you
live
I
just
I,
can't
understand
why
it's
taken
so
long
to
get
to
this
point
and
I
just.
L
Why
did
we
ever
do
the
CDP
to
start
WA,
like
whatever
you
up
together,
to
make
this
village
better,
and
we
did
that
process
and
now
we're
taking
how
many
steps
backward
backwards?
He
led
I,
just
I,
don't
understand
that
so,
like
I've
asked
the
committee
to
really
think
long
and
hard
about
this
and
3sc
through
some
of
the
mess
about
some
of
the
stuff.
That's
been
said
here
today
before
you
and
I.
L
B
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
your
very
emotional
and
practical
appeal.
I
I
know
you're
very
successful
businessman
yourself
and
appreciate
your
comments.
It
comes
from
the
heart
and
we
will
be
discussing
your
comments
and
others.
I
didn't
see
any
questions.
So,
oh
sorry
that
comes
for
Moffat.
That's.
E
Why
I
respond
I
mean
yes,
I
mean
what
was
the
point
during
the
CDP
like
I.
Don't
see
this
as
an
undoing
of
the
communities
I
plant.
The
issues
before
us
aren't
necessarily
something
that
were
dealt
with
under
the
communities
I
plant
when
you
recall
I,
think
we
were
there
as
I
was
July
8th
2010
when
it
was
a
real
affairs
committee,
approved
the
CDP
with
the
conditions,
the
conditions
are,
what
we're
dealing
with
and
they
weren't
concept.
E
Well,
maybe
they
were
contemplated,
but
they
weren't
necessarily
completely
resolved
during
the
CDP
process,
so
it
committee
and
council
kind
of
punted
those
issues
to
the
developer
to
deal
with
through
the
develop
application
which
we're
currently
doing.
We
start
there.
Yet
you
know
I,
like
you
am
hopeful
that
we
can
do
all
that
before
where
we
get
the
OMB
I
mean.
Why
do
we
need
the
province
to
sort
out
our
own
issues?
But
the
point
is
we
have
to.
E
We
still
have
to
sort
those
out
and
right
now
we
have
an
OMB
hearing
in
front
of
us
that
we
have
to
deal
with
today.
But
the
point
is
that
staff
are
still
committed
to
working
with
the
developer
and
maybe
that
over
might
not
be
an
in
full
agreement.
With
with
that
comment,
but
you
know
I
intend
to
work
with
staff
and
and
the
develop
over
the
coming
weeks
to
to
try
to
resolve
the
issues
that
we
have
and
try
to.
E
You
know
find
something
that
works
for
everyone,
I,
don't
think
anyone
which
wouldn't
be
few
and
far
between
other
people
that
say
I
reject
this
development.
We've
grown
in
Richmond
quite
plentiful
in
applause,
several
years,
you're
talking
to
a
community
that
60
years
ago
and
had
300
people
and
you're
talking
about
community
that
over
the
past
10
years
is
growing
10
percent
per
year.
The
growth
has
come,
no
one's
expecting
votes
to
stop
it
or
shouldn't
like
no
one's
asking
for
growth
to
stop
in
Richmond.
E
It's
just
about
how
we,
how
we
do
it
and
then
how
it
impacts
the
community
and
to
make
sure
that
it's
it
fits
to
the
community.
I
think
the
developer,
to
an
extent
wants
to
wants
to
achieve
that
and
I
just
think.
We
have
some
more
issues
that
we
need
to
work
through
in
the
coming
weeks,
but
to
say
that
to
say
the
CPP
process
was
was
useless,
I,
don't
think
it's
fair
and
I.
E
L
B
Well,
we
appreciate
your
comments.
I
think
you've,
you've
expressed
what
many
a
feel
about
this
I
think,
as
council
Moffitt
has
said
we
have
to
you
have
to
at.
We
walk
a
delicate
balance
between
what
we
want
to
happen.
I
think
everybody
with
the
exception.
Maybe
if
you
want
to
happen
for
the
village
of
Richmond,
but
also
there's
that
need
to
protect
what
city
staff
feel
are
perhaps
some
inadequacies
in
in
this.
So
we
we
appreciate
what
you've
said
and
and
hopefully
they
will
have
a
positive
outcome.
Thanks.
B
G
G
So
would
be
possible
and
I'm
not
sure
if
that
counsel
will
be
actually
to
continue
that
dialogue
were
between
the
counselor
and
and
the
community
and
the
probe.
Will
that
give
us
enough
time
before
the
pre-hearing
or
the
pre
here
has
to
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
suggesting
change
in
any
date,
but
I'm
just
suggesting.
Can
we
give
the
counselor
more
time
and
and
and
staff
to
work
with
the
proponent.
D
Mr.
chair
I
may
may
refer
to
a
certain
extent
to
mr.
mark
to
align
the
process
and
where
the
pre-hearing
falls
and
where
you
know
where
the
ultimate
hearing
will
fall
as
far
as
a
timeline
perspective.
Certainly
you
know.
Discussions
are
happening
with
the
continuing
to
happen
with
the
developer
and
the
counselor
I,
anticipate
that
you
know
as
we
as
we
approach
the
26.
D
Frankly
speaking,
it's
in
everyone's
best
interest
to
try
to
address
as
many
of
the
abstaining
issues
as
we
can
to
a
point
where
we're
all
in
agreement
and
beyond
that
26
date,
I
think,
there's
there's
still
it's
still
in
everybody's
best
interest
beyond
that
to
continue
to
work
to
resolve
all
of
the
outstanding
issues
right
up
until
the
point
of
the
actual
hearing
and
I
guess,
I
would
refer
to
mr.
mark
timeline,
sort
of
a
ballpark
as
to
when
that
ultimate
hearing
might
might
take
places.
Thank.
B
F
The
instructions
to
staff
will
be
based
upon
this
Committee's
recommendation,
as
it
may
or
may
not
be
changed
by
Council
on
the
13th
I'm
certain
that
discussions
will
continue
between
the
13th
and
the
26th,
but
they
can
also
continue
after
that
date,
with
present
board
with
the
president
scheduled
antara
miss
reward
at
the
earliest
a
hearing
would
be
in
March
and
that's
being
optimistic
and
my
guess,
it's
likely
will
be
in
May
so
that
they
were
there.
Not
one
does
not
want
to
wait
until
that
time
to
have
the
discussions.
B
F
With
the
applicant
on
achieving
a
settlement,
there
are
no
restrictions
and
discussions
often
take
place
if
they
are.
If
they
bring
a
quote
about
minor
changes,
then
that
time
is
typically
the
ward
Council
and
the
committee
chair
that
are
consulted.
If
they
were
significant
changes,
then
we'd
be
back
before
you
for
instructions,
but
the
discussions
themselves
can
continue.
Okay,
thank.
B
You
thank
you
mr.
mark.
Thank
you
vice
chair
council
blade.
Are
there
any
other
comments
or
discussions
before
we
move
to
debate
any
comments?
Okay,
so
you
have
I
just
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment.
I
appreciate
and
I
just
made
tallies
and
the
speaker's
we
had
today,
I
think
was
three
in
support
of
this
staff
recommendation
and
three
opposed
to
it,
and
it
seems
to
be
the
the
feeling
that
the
vibes
I
get
from
people.
I
have
had
discussions
with
and
I
I
appreciate,
mr.
B
Cohen
being
here
and
I
think
he's
a
very
experienced
lawyer
and
as
well.
We
have
mr.
mark
and
and
councillor
Moffat
and
I
am
hopeful
that
this
staff
report
is
is
carried,
that
those
issues
can
be
resolved.
I
think
Richmond
is
there's
nobody
from
really
here.
I
guess
so.
I
can
say
that
Green
is
one
of
the
three
main
villages
and
I'm
very
proud
of
the
direction
that
that
village
is
taking,
but
Richmond
certainly
is
I.
B
Think
one
of
the
jewels
of
the
rural
villages
in
the
City
of
Ottawa-
and
there
is
great
there-
is
a
great
future
for
that
village
and
I
Drive
through
it
often
I,
see
it
and
I
know
that
there
is
a
great
desire,
not
only
the
residents
of
the
village
of
Richmond,
but
in
outlying
areas
to
see
that
grow.
So
those
are
the
only
comments
I
have
on
the
motion
that
is
before
us
and
that
I
read
that.
D
B
B
The
number
one
refused
draft
approval
of
the
subdivision
related
to
63
35
and
60
350
per
street
application
and
recommend
council
refused
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
related
to
6
3
3,
5,
&,
6,
3,
5,
0,
/,
Street
and
direct
staff
to
oppose
the
foregoing
application
at
the
penny
until
Municipal
Board
hearing
concerning
appeals
to
the
subdivision
application
and
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
submitted
by
the
applicant.
So
on
this
motion,
councillor
deputy
mayor
al.
G
Centauri
sorry,
mrs.
champ
I'm,
trying
to
to
have
a
way
I
I
will
support
that
motion.
But
is
it
possible
to
to
add,
as
a
friend
amendment
stuff,
to
continue
negotiate
even
beyond
the
day
for
the
pre-hearing
and
engaged
the
local
councillor
and
the
chair
of
the
committee
to
see
if
we
can
find
a
solution?
Maybe
that
should
not
be.
The
final
thing
is
just
to
go
to
and
be
I
think.
B
F
B
G
B
Hey,
so
we
have
a
friendly
amendment
by
councillor
Deborah
all-century,
that
it
basically
is
saying
that
the
the
city
would,
through
the
ward,
councillor
and
staff
and
chair
continue
to
work
with
the
applicant
to
resolve
the
issues,
hopefully
resolve
the
issues
before
properly
OMB
hearing.
So
with
that
amended
motion,
I'll
call
the
item:
is
it
carried
okay?
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
and
now
we
move
to
I,
think
staff
and
those
who
come
up
to
speak
today
and-
and
it
is
my
sincere
hope
that
we
can
resolve
those
issues
amicably
and.
B
B
The
the
request
is
to
suspend
the
rules
procedure
due
to
the
fact
that
the
application
for
a
limited
number
of
slots
in
the
ground
amount
of
solar
fit
3
program
will
be
accepted
of
till
December
13
2013
councils
support
for
application,
a
fact
in
favor
of
individual
probe
projects,
so
I'll
just
show
on
the
suspension,
I
counsel,
deputy
mayor
I'll
century.
Did
you
want
to
speak
to
this?
Mr.
G
Mr.
chair,
thank
you
very
much
and
thanks
for
on
the
suspension
of
the
rules,
as
you
know,
the
fit
program
for
the
solar
panel
that
comes
in
with
some
time
restriction
and
I
believe
we
do
have
three
application
on
the
front
of
us.
I
just
read
there
the
address
this
I
believe
we
have
one
in
concession,
six
lot:
11
and
there's
the
pin
doesn't
work.
Five.
We
have
another
one
in
on
total
route,
drive-in
work:
five.
We
have
one
in
Ward,
19
and
McVeigh
Road
and
another
one.
G
B
I
think
members
of
the
committee
have
in
front
of
them.
I
am
just
going
to
take
a
moment
to
read
that
I
think
it
should
be
read
in,
whereas
on
November
4th
2013,
the
Ontario
Power
Authority
opened
the
application
window
for
ground
mounted
solar,
green
energy
projects
between
10
and
500
kilowatts
under
the
provincial
fit
program,
and
that
same
day
the
OPA
announced
the
window
will
close
December,
13th,
2013
and
whereas
city
auto
has
received
several
requests
for
support
for
individual
projects
across
the
rural
areas
of
the
city
and
the
city.
Council.
E
Not
really
on
this
motion,
just
we've
done
this
a
couple
times
now
on
different
projects
that
would
ask
for
rejected
there.
Can
we
find
out
where
the
other
motions
that
what
the
what
impact
they've
had
like
have
have
those
projects
been
approved
because
of
our
motion
and
similarly
have
a
project
has
been
approved
without
accounts
of
motion?
That's
issue
the
impact
of
this
of
this
new
point
system
that
the
province
came
up
with
mr.
D
Chair
I
can
follow
up
with
the
Ontario
Power
Authority
to
see
if
that
information
is
available
to
the
public.
Some
of
that
is
discussions
between
them
and
their
contracting
with
an
amount,
not
certain
whether
how
much
of
that
information
will
be
publicly
available,
but
it
is
I
can
tell
you
that
the
there
were
a
large
number
of
projects
that
weren't
approved
that
went
through
the
process
last
year,
anecdotally
solely
from
speaking
from
people
within
the
solar
industry.
My
understanding
is
that
there
were
no
no
ground
mount
projects
approved
in
Ottawa
last
through
the
last
round.