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Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee - September 29, 2022
Agenda and supporting documents available at www.ottawa.ca/agendas
A
B
C
A
E
B
Good
morning,
good
morning,
everyone
like
to
call
our
meeting
to
order
the
agricultural,
rural
Affairs
committee,
Thursday
September,
29th,
2022
a
statement.
It's
your
statement
to
the
public
hearing
for
op
and
Zoning
items.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
Zoning
bylaw
Amendment
listed
as
item
5.1
and
5.2
on
today's
agenda.
But
the
item
just
mentioned
only
those
who
make
oral
submission
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendment
are
adopted.
May
appease
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
launcher
Bureau.
B
In
addition,
the
applicant
May
appeal
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
attributor
if
Council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
90
days
of
the
city
of
the
application
for
zoning
and
120
days
for
an
official
plan
Amendment
to
submit
written
comment
in
this
amendment
prior
to
their
consideration
by
City
Council
on
economy
and
October
5th,
please
email
or
call
the
committee
or
Council
coordinator,
and
with
that
we
have
no
regret.
No
call
I
think
we
are
all
on
the
screen
today
and
we're
all
in
a
tendency.
Thank
you.
B
B
Thank
you
item
5.1
planning,
real
estate
and
economic
development
department,
zoning
by
law,
Amendment,
2727,
Car,
Pro
and
part
of
2625
carp
Road
in
West,
cart
in
March
I,
believe
we
have
no
presentation,
no
correspondent,
but
I
believe
we
have
one
delegation,
so
we're
gonna
hold
item
number
five.
B
Pretty
much
item
5.2
Zone
and
bylaw
Amendment
part
of
6335
and
64.09
per
Street
Rito
Google
Ward
21.
So
we
have
no
presentation,
no
corresponding
and
no
delegation.
We
have
the
applicant
it's
required
to
to
speak
from
Jamie
Paulson
and
Ziad
Hassan
from
cable.
B
B
B
So
the
I
well
I
read
it
so
just
for
the
record,
so
the
report
recommendation
that
the
agriculture
World
Affair
committee,
that
command
Council,
approve
an
amendment
to
zoning
bylaw
2008-250
for
the
part
of
6335
and
64.09
First
Street,
as
shown
in
document
one
to
permit
a
revised
residential
subdivision
as
detailed
in
document
two
document
2
or
writing
to
that
departure
rule.
A
fair
committee
approved
the
consultation
details
section
of
this
report.
B
We
included
as
part
of
the
brief
explanation
in
the
summary
of
written
and
oral
public
submission
to
be
prepared
by
the
office
of
the
city
clerk
and
submitted
to
Council
in
the
report.
Title
summary
of
order
on
written
public
submissions
for
items
subject
to
planning
explanation
requirement
that
the
city
council
meeting
of
October,
5th
2022,
subject
to
submission
to
see
between
the
application
of
this
report
and
the
item
of
the
council
decision.
So
can
we
carry
that
item?
B
Okay,
thank
you
item
number
six
is
it
will
be
structure
and
water
service
department?
We
do
have
a
presentation
on
this
one
I
believe
from
staff.
So
we're
all
item.
Six
item
number:
seven:
Office
of
the
city
clerk
7.1
status,
update
agricultural
Affairs
committee
inquiries
in
motion
for
the
period
ending
September
16
2022.
The
report
recommendation
that
the
Agriculture
and
Rural
Affair
committee
received
this
report
for
information.
Is
the
item
received?
B
Thank
you
and
we
have
no
in
camera
meeting
registration
on
site
plan
agreement
for
Wisconsin,
Environmental
Center
can
that
that
information
was
the
previously
distributed
to
to
their
member
and
we
have
open
mic
sessions
but
we'll
come
back.
We
have
a
speaker
on
on
the
open
mic
session,
so
we're
going
to
item
number
five
and
we
have
Miss
Andrea
who
would
like
to
to
to
speak
to
us
Andrea?
Are
you
with
us.
A
A
B
B
F
Perfect,
thank
you.
So
I
was
just
putting
in
a
request
to
see
whether
or
not
we
could
have
a
reconsideration
or
a
reevaluation
of
our
the
entrance
for
the
construction
of
this
community.
There's
quite
a
few
things
that
have
changed
since
the
original
zoning
went
in
and
I,
don't
think
they've
been
considered,
primarily
the
safety
of
our
kids,
the
safety
of
our
school
buses,
access
for
City
facilities,
garbage
snow
removal
and
the
road
damage
and
again,
primarily
safety.
My
key
points
are
I.
F
It's
already
an
issue.
The
access
in
and
out
of
Arbor
Brook
we've
put
in
many
complaints
about
people
entering
or
leaving
the
wrong
way
on
one-way
roads,
I've
had
multiple
situations
where
I've
actually
called
police
because
of
potential
collisions
that
have
come
very,
very
close
and
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
safety
of
my
children
and
myself
coming
and
leaving
my
community
with
all
of
these
construction
workers,
school
buses
and
Municipal
Services
going
forward.
F
If
you
just
calculate
the
school
buses,
four
buses
a
day
times
twice
a
day
is
eight
trips
a
day
times,
five
days
a
week,
that's
40
trips,
a
day
that
would
be
impacted
by
this.
They
already
have
difficulty
turning
in
the
cul-de-sacs
in
the
winter
months,
so
having
people
parking
having
trucks
coming
and
going.
My
kids
are
already
late
to
school
because
of
the
school
buses
trying
to
turn
left
so
I
just
can't
see
how
this
is
going
to
be
convenient
or
helpful
to
them.
They
also
already
have
trouble
turning
left
onto
carp
road.
F
Kids,
my
kids
walk
the
dog
every
day.
They
won't
be
walking
down
on
that
side
of
the
community
anymore.
I
can
fortunately
do
that,
but
what
about
the
three
and
four-year-olds
that
play
on
their
street
Ming
road
is
a
sloped
road
comes
down
to
a
yield.
That
is
where
the
trucks
will
be
passing
every
single
day.
My
kids
bike
down
there.
They
they
go
fast
and
they're
kids
and
they
can't
stop.
Sometimes
I'm
really
worried
that
a
kid's
gonna
get
hit
by
a
dump
truck
or
some
teenage.
F
You
know
young
construction
worker
leaving
for
Timmy's
for
lunch,
and
not
really
caring
about
these
kids
coming
and
going.
The
visibility
is
also
an
issue.
Cars
there's
a
yield
but
Arbor
book
coming
on
to
a
sid.
It
needs
to
be
a
stop.
We
already
have
visibility
issues.
F
I
already
mentioned
the
wrong
way
and
at
the
entrance
to
carpin
Arbor
Brook,
we
need
a
traffic
light
100
with
or
without
this
new
construction
element
coming
in
and
the
road
damage.
We
already
have
significant
issues
with
winter
bumps.
This
construction
traffic
for
a
couple
of
years
is
just
going
to
make
that
much
more
dangerous,
I've
bottomed
out
my
car
and
I'm
going.
You
know
30
or
40K
on
my
road.
F
The
curbs
get
damaged
because
the
trucks
or
you
know
the
the
weight
of
of
the
road
and
I
have
neighbors
their
kids
are
learning
to
drive
my
kid's
going
to
learn
to
drive
in
a
couple
of
years.
I'm
really
just
I'm
really
concerned
that
this
hasn't
been
thought
through
and
I.
Think
there's
a
road
going
in
and
we
can
put
an
access
point
there.
It
would
for
long
term
provide
benefits
to
the
community
and
an
extra
entrance
way
that
we
could
put
a
light
in
and
have
more
safety
for
our
community.
That's
it!
B
Thank
you
very
much
Andrea
for
coming
this
morning
and
speaking
to
us,
have
you
have
you
corresponded
with
any
like
with
the
planet
in
the
past
like
Sarah
McCormick?
Have
you
have
any
because
you
know,
as
the
Council
of
that
area
we
haven't
I
haven't
received
any
correspondence
from
from
the
resident?
Have
you
talked
to
the
planner
before.
F
Honestly,
I
actually
only
heard
about
this
development
in
August
at
our
AGM
and
I
I
did
not
know
that
there
was
I
knew
eventually
there
would
be,
but
that's
the
first
that
I've
seen
anything
I
just
assumed
that
they
would
put
in
a
temporary
access
point
like
they
do.
There's
a
community
down
on
diamond
View
and
they
put
in
a
temporary
access
there.
F
So
I
I
haven't
I,
don't
know
what
the
next
steps
are,
I've
sort
of
been
told
it's
done
too
bad,
but
again,
I
just
I
had
to
say
something
because
I
didn't
feel
that
it.
You
know
a
zoning
thing
that
was
put
in
in
2003
when
I
was
28
years
old
is
not
really
relevant
to
me
now.
B
Okay:
okay,
any
any
questions
from
the
committee
to
the
desk
before
we
go
to
to
the
to
the
applicant
I
think
we
have
Robert
Trans
on
levitec
and
Mr
Greg
winter
neverthec,
and
also
we
have
Marco
siki
from
Kavanaugh
development
to
answer
a
question
from
there.
Well,
if
there's
no
question
for
Andrea,
we
can
let
Andrew
go.
Thank.
A
B
Andrea
for
your
presentation,
Committee
Member:
do
you
have
any
questions
for
the
upper
or
or
Mr
winter?
Do
you
wish
to
speak
to
some
of
the
what
you
heard.
G
G
We've
read
the
staff
report
on
just
to
be
on
the
record
and
we
support
the
the
the
report
as
it's
drafted
and
support
the
rezoning
application.
We're
looking
forward
to
finishing
this
project
off
so
just
to
address
some
of
the
comments
that
I
heard
today.
G
I
can
kind
of
characterize
them,
I
think
as
being
mostly
construction
issues
and
not
a
zoning
issue.
So
so
what
we
hear
before
you
today
is
that
we're
seeking
a
rezoning
application
to
implement
the
draft
plan
approval.
So
when
we
go
through
the
drop
down
approval
which
was
given
to
us
in
December
of
last
year,
we
have
a
condition
that
actually
obligates
us
to
rezone
the
lands
to
bring
them
in
Conformity,
with
the
approval
that
was
already
given
by
the
city
of
Ottawa,
for
the
draft
plan
approval.
G
So
what
I
was
hearing
today
is,
and
if
I'm
characterizing
this
correctly,
it
was
mostly
construction
access.
So
as
we're
doing
construction
on
these
developments,
there's
always
a
construction
management
plan.
That's
usually
discussed
with
City
staff
to
work
through
how
the
trucks
are
coming
and
going
from
the
site,
the
frequency
of
the
trucks.
So
that's
pretty
standard
practice
in
this
in
this
industry,
and
we
expect
that
that
would
happen
in
this
situation
and
we'll
work
to
alleviate
any
kind
of
concerns
from
the
community.
G
The
actual
construction
of
the
roads
is
probably
going
to
be
taking
place
in
two
phases
of
the
development,
and
so
we're
going
to
be
in
very
quickly
and
very
out
quickly
when
it
comes
to
constructing
a
rural
cross-section
rule
subdivision
for
the
local
roads.
It's
not
going
to
take
Kavanaugh
very
long
to
build
those
roads.
The
houses
will
happen
over
time.
Like
any
country,
State
subdivision
you,
don't
it's
not
like
tracked
building
in
the
Suburban
areas,
where
they're
built
very
quickly.
G
They
happen
over
a
period
of
time.
So
we
believe
that's
going
to
happen
over
over
a
longer
period
of
time.
So
I
think
that's.
You
know
there
was
no
traffic
study
that
was
required.
It
didn't
meet
the
city
of
ottawa's
requirements
under
the
traffic
impact
assessment
to
require
a
traffic
study.
It's
certainly
because
of
that
didn't
warrant
any
signals
to
be
placed
on
either
merch
Road
or
William
Mooney.
The
access
points
have
been
looked
at
in
great
detail
over
time
and
they've
been
deemed
to
be
appropriate
for
this
level
of
development.
G
B
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
I.
Guess,
I
really,
don't
need
to
ask
this
now,
because
Mr
Winters
explained
that
there
will
be
a
construction
plan
in
there.
So
just
how
long
would
the
access
road
be?
Is
Kavanaugh
prepared,
I
guess
to
to
put
that
in
to
alleviate
some
of
her
concerns.
G
D
Okay
and
and
how
long
will
they
be
I
guess
they
have
to
deal
with
that
I.
D
The
residents
pretty
well
know
best,
what's
what's
going
on
around
them,
and
what
some
of
the
risks
are
so
I
she's
not
here
this,
the
the
lady
who
spoke,
isn't
here
right
now,
so
do
you
think
she's
going
to
be
happy
with
this
I
just
like
to
keep
the
residents
happy
well.
G
Like
any
through
the
chair,
so
through
any
construction,
we
have
to
build
an
access,
road
and-
and
there
is
only
these
two
local
streets
coming
into
this
subdivision,
so
it
there's
just
no
other
alternative
to
gain
access
to
the
site
and,
as
I
said,
it's
going
to
be
a
fairly
quick
construction.
This
is
not
a
significant
large
development,
it's
not
hundreds
of
homes
or
thousands
of
homes.
G
It's
just
a
few
number
of
homes,
I
think
will
be
in
very
quickly
and
in
and
out
now
that
road
will
continue
to
provide
construction
access,
as
houses
are
built
in
the
future,
and
the
next
phase
is
developed
but
again
there'll
be
a
construction
management
plan
that
goes
through
that
so
I
assure
you.
Counselor
says
that
it'll
be
in
and
out
very
quickly
on
this
subdivision.
Okay,.
B
Thank
you,
councilor
Meehan,
councilman,.
C
G
Through
the
chair,
so
there
is
actually
no
access.
Well,
sir,
through
Sid
there
will
be
a
cul-de-sac
coming
off.
That's
correct
counselor,
so
there
will
be
an
access
through
that
point
as
well.
That's.
C
What
I
mean
so
for
the
construction
is
here,
I
mean
I,
know
we're
off
I
mean
we
don't
talk
about
construction
during
zoning,
but
anyway,
here
we
are.
We
got
nothing
else
to
talk
about
today.
So
let's
just
do
this
so
the
to
access
to
create
that
road
and
to
build
those
units
is
your
only
ability
to
come
through
everbrook
and
sit
through
the
chair?
That's
correct!
Okay!
So
that's
that's
the
one
then
I
mean
I,
think
I
think
anyone
who's.
C
You
know:
William
Mooney,
the
house
that
give
get
built
off
of
William,
Mooney
I
think
there's
a
level
of
expectation
that
they'll
have
development
pressures
there
and
construction
pressures
in
that
part
of
the
community
for
for
quite
a
while,
as
the
homes
get
built,
but
I
think
the
the
one
that
you're
gonna
have
to
take
more
caution
and
care
with
would
be
that
established.
Community
I
mean
all
these
subdivisions
were
all
approved
years
and
years
ago,
and
we
we've,
we
aband.
We
banned
estate
loss
subdivisions
before
my
time.
C
That's
it's
insane,
so
I
think
the
expectation
for
the
residents
on
our
Brook
and
Sid
would
be
over
years
that
they
probably
wouldn't
see
this
impact.
So
I
think
it's
just
important
that
the
applicant
takes.
You
know
extra
care
because
it's
a
you
know
state
law
subdivision
that
you're
coming
through.
So
it's
it's,
not
it's
just
not
used
to
that
that
level
of
activity.
G
So
so,
if
I
could
just
respond
to
that
comment,
as
I
was
as
the
counselor
was
speaking,
I
was
reflecting
Mr
chair
that,
as
I
was
looking
at
it,
there
is
opportunity
to
build
the
extension
of
Sid
street
that
comes
actually
through
the
subdivision,
because
the
frontage
of
this
subdivision
actually
is
accessed
all
along
carp
Road
at
some
point
in
time.
C
Because
it's
the
real
commercial
property
on
on
carp
road
that
backs
on
to
where
you're
building
these
Lots
so
yeah,
that
makes
sense,
I
mean
I.
Think
just
just
the
fact
that
you're
contemplating
that
and
you're
willing
to
look
at
that.
I
think
well.
We'll
address
concerns
from
from
the
residents
so
appreciate
that
great
thanks.
So
much.
B
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
colleagues,
and
thank
you
Mr
winter,
because
really
you
know
there
wasn't
enough
front
of
us
and
when
I
checked
with
the
community,
we
had
no
no
concern,
but
obviously
the
concerned
the
resident
brought
today
is
about
the
construction
not
about
the
zone
and
she's
right.
B
The
creek
Corridor
item
number
two
that
the
Agriculture
and
Rural
Affairs
committee
approved
the
consultation
details.
Section
of
this
report
be
included
as
part
of
the
brief
explanation
in
the
summary
of
written
and
oral
public
submissions
to
be
prepared
by
the
office
of
the
city
clerk
and
submitted
to
Council
in
the
in
the
report.
B
Okay.
Thank
you
item
number.
Six
is
the
infrastructure
and
water
service
department
Amendment
to
the
Village
of
magnetic
area,
specific
development
charge
background
study
and
we
have
Chris
Rogers
I
believe
is
going
to
have
the
presentation
for
us
good
morning.
Chris.
H
Morning,
Mr
chair,
thank
you
very
much
so
I'm
here
to
discuss
the
proposed
2022
Amendment
to
the
area
specific
development
charge
for
the
village
of
manatech
next
slide.
Please.
H
So
the
driver
for
the
amendment
to
the
charge
is
the
manateec
water
main
link
project.
This
project
was
identified
in
the
infrastructure
master
plan
from
2014.
H
the
projects
needed
to
support
growth
in
the
village
and
also
provide
a
backup
water
supply.
In
case
the
single
feed
from
Bar
Haven
fails,
the
system
would
depressurize
magnetic
would
be
out
of
water,
so
we
need
a
secondary
feed
into
the
village,
a
class
environmental
assessment
where
the
project
was
approved
in
2014.
H
and
the
project
is
comprised
of
two
phases.
The
first
phase
has
been
constructed
and
is
about
to
be
commissioned.
It's
the
looking
at
the
map
on
your
right.
It's
the
green
line
to
the
north
of
the
the
map
and
the
second
phase,
which
runs
the
length
of
Long
Island,
is
to
be
tendered
early
next
year.
H
The
phase
two
water
main
link
will
be
funded
by
a
blend
of
rate
rates
dollars
and
and
an
area
specific
development
charge
and
Minto
will
be
front.
Ending
the
area
specific,
develop
development
charge
portion
of
the
project
costs
next
slide,
please.
H
So
the
current
DC
bylaw
for
the
city
includes
the
asdc
for
water
and
sanitary
services
within
certain
benefiting
areas
of
the
village,
and
you
can
see
those
benefiting
areas
on
the
map
on
the
right.
The
the
dark
areas
are
the
areas
that
are
subject
currently
subject
to
the
charge,
so
the
the
charge
needs
to
be
updated
for
three
reasons.
Actually,
first
of
all,
it's
a
significant
increase
in
construction
costs.
I,
don't
think,
that's
a
that
would
be
a
big
surprise.
The
construction
costs
have
increased
across
the
board.
H
The
original
cost
estimate
from
2014
was
10
million
dollars.
It
is
now
24
million
dollars.
H
H
So
we
need
to
to
fix
that,
and
also
the
update
to
the
charge
is
needed
to
support
a
front
ending
agreement
with
Minto,
and
we
need
that
agreement
in
place
in
order
to
tend
to
the
project,
so
the
area
is
specifically
with
charge.
Update
is
supported
by
a
background
study
which
is
provided
as
document
one
to
the
report
and
consultation
on
the
background
study
was
completed
pursuant
to
the
DC
Act
next
slide,
please.
H
So
paraphrasing
the
the
recommendation
in
the
report,
the
the
authority
to
approve
is
with
with
planning
committee,
so
we
recommend
that
planning
committee
recommend
that
Council
endorse
the
amendment
to
the
to
the
background
study
and
authorize
an
update
to
the
DC
bylaw.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
Chris
and
before
we
go
to
our
colleague,
did
you
see
the
original
estimate?
Cost
was
10
million,
and
now
it's
24
million
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
do
make
mistake.
That's
correct,
wow!
Okay,
we
start
with
the
counselor
Murphy.
C
Thanks
I
just
wanted
to
just
to
clarify,
so
we
we
've
proved
this
of
course,
for
example,
years
ago,
and
then
the
map
that
you
showed
on
the
second
last
slide
was
the
current.
The
current
map
that
we
use
to
assess
this
area
specific
charge.
C
It
was
created
because
we
were
catching
properties
that
we
didn't
intend
to
catch
now
with
the
new,
because
they
didn't
have
access
to
Services
right,
because
not
all
of
Mantic
has
access
to
services,
so
you
might
get
redeveloped
and
then
you're
on
well
and
septic,
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
you're
assessed
an
area
specific
DC
of
25
000
for
services.
You
can't
connect
to.
So
we
addressed
that
and
that's
why
that
map
existed
now.
I
saw
in
the
in
the
in
the
text
of
the
bylaw.
C
That's
that's
even
though
we're
increasing
the
map
size
to
include
the
entire
Village
that
it
would
only
be
assessed
to
people
who
actually
have
the
ability
to
access
Services
correct,
because
we
have,
for
instance,
you
know
you're
well
aware
that
we
just
had
a
lot
recently
in
the
Shaded
area
be
assessed
that
charge,
even
though
they
are
about
half
a
kilometer
away
from
from
services
and
they'll.
Never
access
Services,
because
of
where
the
lot
is.
So
we
we
address
that.
H
Yeah
I
don't
think
that
issue
is
addressed
in
in
the
bylaw.
Perhaps
Mr
Mark
may
be
able
to
clarify,
but
certainly
the
the
intent
going
forward
is
that
anyone
who
is
redeveloping
on
private
services
or
they
would
not
be
assessed
the
the
development
charge
for
water
and
sewer.
C
Yeah,
because
we
will
still
see
some
Lots
here
and
there
infill
lots
that
maybe
are
on
developed
Lots.
We
had
a
couple
of
those:
that's
that
only
could
access
well
and
septic
and
have
no
access
to
water
and
sewer
and
then
secondly,
I
noticed
your
map
runs
along
the
Mud
Creek
and
doesn't
actually
run
along
the
village
boundary.
Is
there
any
reason
for
why
we
did
that.
H
Yeah
that
that
development
was
it
has
larger
lots
and
is,
was
never
intended
to
to
be
to
be
serviced.
It
would
be
challenging
to
service
and.
I
Yep
thanks
Chris
for
the
presentation,
increased
construction
costs
I
mean
it
has
been
eight
years
since
the
last
estimate.
But
could
you
give
some
more
details
about
what
is
impacting
construction
costs?
Is
it
simply
inflation
or
can
you
break
down?
Are
we
seeing
materials
or
laborers
or
other
labor
or
other
factors
that
are
causing
this
increase
in
construction
costs?.
H
I
I
think
generally
it's
it's
because
of
unit
rates
of
construction
have
gone
up
across
the
board.
I
can
tell
you
that
the
crossings
of
the
of
the
river
were
more
complex
than
we're
considered
at
the
time
that
the
original
estimate
was
was
prepared.
Back
in
2014,
we
had
a
functional
design
level
of
detail,
which
is
is
somewhat
it's
not
as
we
didn't
have
as
much
information
as
we
have
now.
H
As
far
as
the
complexity
around
around
the
Crossing,
but,
generally
speaking,
it's
the
increase
in
unit
rates.
That
would
explain,
explain
the
increasing
costs
and
I
think
you
know
there
are
projects
across
the
city
that
have
increased
significant
license
since
2014.
D
Thank
you
very
much
chair
Mr
Rogers.
D
H
Well,
Anyone
Who
develops
and
requires
a
water
sewer
connection
would
would
pay
the
charge
so
there's
there's
no
change
from
that
perspective.
We're
just
making
sure
that
we
capture
every
every
development
that
that
would
benefit
from
water
and
sewer
as
far
as
the
actual
increase
in
the
in
the
charge
per
unit,
I
would
have
to
defer
to
our
development
charges
coordinator,
Gary
Baker,
who
I
believe
is
on
the
call.
If
you
would
like
to
answer
that
question
yeah.
J
No
actually,
what
what's
happened
is
that
it's
there's
a
sanitary
and
a
water
component
and
the
sanitary
component
is
actually
decreasing
whilst
the
water
component
is
increasing,
so
the
change
in
the
rates
is
is
very,
is
actually
insignificant
because
of
that
fact,
because
the
off
the
increase
in
water
is
being
offset
by
decrease
in
the
sanitary
sewer.
So
it's
it's
almost
zero-sum
game.
J
If
there's
not
there's
no
substantial
difference
and
as
of
October
1st,
the
current
rates
are
going
to
be
indexed
so
so
that
we
actually
will
bring
the
current
rates
above
Repose
rates.
So
so
that's
the
situation,
it's
kind
of
a
unique
circumstances,
but
that's
that's
the
reality
of
of
having
recalculated
things.
J
I
should
I
just
went,
I
can
I
just
have
to.
Unfortunately,
I
have
to
look
it
up
myself,
but
just
if
you
give
me
a
moment,
I
can
look
it
up
and
or
I
can
send
it
to
you
afterwards.
But
there's
a
chart.
It's
schedule,
five
in
the.
In
the
background
study
the
nearest
current
versus
existing,
so
I'll
I'll.
Look
that
up
and
I
can
send
it
to
you,
and
you
can
see
that
well.
D
No
I,
just
it's
okay,
I
mean
this
is
probably
going
to
pass.
So
it's
a
kind
of
kind
of
moot,
but
so
so
all
the
property
owners
know
that
that
this
is
happening.
If
it
I
guess,
if
you're
saying
it's
moot
that
it
all
works
out
in
the
wash
one
one
one
section
is
costing
more
and
one
is
costing
less
yes.
J
And
I
think
the
the
methodology
is
what
we
use
right
now
in
the
entire
rural
area,
where,
if
your
service
run
service,
the
determination
is
made,
whether
if
you're
connecting
to
Services,
then
you
pay
the
city-wide
development
charge
and
if
you're
not
connecting
to
Services
you're
staying
on
septic
and
well,
you
don't
pay
that
component
of
the
development
charge,
we're
just
adopting
that
same
similar
methodology,
the
same
methodology
for
the
village.
So
if
you're,
if
you're
not
connecting
to
Central
Services,
you
won't
pay
the
development
charts
area
specific
development
charge.
J
J
Oh
through
the
chair,
I
mean,
from
my
perspective,
there's
always
pushback
on
development
charges,
so
it's
like,
but
that's
just
the
normal
course
of
action
or
whatever
that
that's
just
DC's
as
they
are
I
mean,
there's
always
going
to
be
individuals
that
are
surprised,
whether
it's
in
an
annotic
or
in
other
areas
of
the
city.
J
The
the
level
of
knowledge
is
that
usually
it's
the
larger
home
builders
like
gold,
bar
or
Bulma
that
are
aware
of
development
charges.
It's
the
individuals
that,
but
they
don't
necessarily
pay
attention
to
development
charges
and
that
so
there's
always
going
to
be
individuals
that
may
be
caught
unawares
of
of
the
imposition
of
the
development
charge.
But
that's
just
that's
normal.
When
we
go
through
the
five-year
cycle.
Same
thing
happens
over
and
over
again
right.
It's
not
it's!
It's!
J
The
larger
are
the
ones
that
are
the
land
developers
that
are
accustomed
to
having
building
permits
issued
are
aware
of
of
development
charges
more
so
than
the
individual
quote-unquote
developer
or
media
developer.
You
want
to
call
it
so
that
that
just
that's
just
the
nature
of
the
Beast
I.
D
Know
this
probably
is
totally
irrelevant,
but
I'm,
just
with
the
significant
increase
in
the
cost
of
the
of
the
plant.
I
know
that
we
just
wrapped
up
phase
one
of
the
the
project
down
further
north
on
River
Road
and
David
bartler
Park.
Did
the
construction
cost
increase
affect
that
project
at
all,
because
it
just
basically
wrapped
up.
D
Yeah,
okay
I'm
just
wondering
because
it's
these
increases
have
been
happening
for
a
couple
years,
so
yeah.
J
D
Relevant
I
won't
I,
I
I'll,
yeah
I'll
just
leave
it.
There
then.
J
Just
through
the
through
the
chair,
the
the
the
index
for
2021
was
17.2
percent.
So
that's
obviously
that's
the
highs.
It's
ever
been
I
I've,
never
seen
it
that
high
going
back
to
say
2001..
So
that's
that
was
the
construction
cost
index
prescribed
by
The
Province.
It
was
17.2,
and
so
it
was
it
was
substantially
higher
this
year
and
so
that
that's
part
and
parcel
of
what
Chris
Rogers
also
mentioned
as
well.
C
Yeah
I
mean
we
just
wanted
so
just
to
to
potentially
any
concerns
that
cancer
man
might
have
on
behalf
of
residents
in
romantic.
This
is
not
it's
not
a
charge
that
that
any
current
resident
Evans
it
would
would
all
of
a
sudden,
be
blindsided
by
because
it's
a
development
there
shouldn't
there
shouldn't.
Be
any
large
surprise.
That's
anyone,
because
it
would.
C
It
would
be
an
upfront,
an
upfront
estimate
that
we
provide
to
them
as
to
what
they
would
be
assessed
for
were
they
to
proceed
with
either
connecting
or
doing
a
construction
project,
of
course.
So
so,
when
the
it
was
a
per
it's
a
per
lot
fee
on
phase
one
phase,
two
of
of
Minto
subdivision
and
Mentos-
is
going
to
be
the
biggest
the
biggest
contributor
to
this
because
it
just
the
amount
of
land
they
own.
C
Uniform
also
has
a
development
on
the
North
End
of
the
village
that
that
this
will
be
subject
to,
and
so
essentially
it's
a
perlot
fee
that'll
come
before
the
house
is
even
even
sold,
so
it
shouldn't,
be.
You
know
it's
one
of
those
necessary
evils
right.
The
look,
I
look
back
to
20
2011.
We
had
that
partial
water
band
because
of
the
the
water
main
break
on
Woodruff
at
Hunt
Club
and
the
Belgium
antic,
who
had
just
connected
almost
some
some
parts
to
to
sanitary,
at
least,
but
on
the
water
side.
C
They
had
that
partial
water
band
that
summer.
Because
of
that,
and
then
of
course
this.
So
it's
again
it's
it's
this
necessary
piece
that
you
have
to
add
in
because
it
gives
that
backup,
Water
Service,
thankfully
from
Riverside
South,
where
we
get
it,
we
get.
It
back,
ended
into
the
village
of
antique
to
give
us
that
that
backup
Supply
so
we're
not
completely
reliant
on
the
on
the
barhaven
feeder
system.
J
Thank
you,
sorry,
and
just
for
the
counselor
I,
just
I
have
the
chart
now.
So
the
current
charge
for
single
family
is
twelve
thousand
four.
Sixty
seven
and
the
the
revised
charge
would
be
12
626..
J
So
it's
there
is
a
little
bit
of
a
difference,
but
not
substantially,
and
but
the
current
the
12th
467
doesn't
include
the
indexing.
That's
going
to
occur
as
of
October
1st,
so
it'll
be,
and
actually
the
existing
will
be
higher
than
the
the
calculated.
B
So,
what's
in
front
of
us,
if
there's
no
more
question
to
a
staff
that
the
agricultural
Affairs
committee
recommend
that
planning
committee
recommend
that
Council
endures
an
amendment
to
the
area,
specific
development
charges,
background
study
for
the
village
of
Manatee
listed
as
document
one
and
authorized
the
update
of
the
area's
specific
development
charge
by
law
or
management.
Is
this
item
k?
B
B
E
Okay,
sorry
I'm
just
getting
set
up
here.
Okay,
I
think
Ken's.
Here
too
so
I'm
just
going
to
jump
into
it
good
morning.
My
name
is
Megan
Ann
Gordon
I
live
in
Richmond
and
I'm
the
program
manager
for
the
rural
Ottawa,
youth,
Mental,
Health,
Collective
I'm.
Also
a
member
of
the
rural
Transportation
solutions
group,
with
the
hopes
of
increasing
Transportation
options
for
Rural
youth
to
be
able
to
access
Urban,
Mental
Health
Services
in
May.
Our
our
presentation
to
a
rack
provided
some
results
to
our
survey
work.
E
E
Rural
Transportation
Solutions
is
a
community-based
team
that
aims
to
propose
realistic,
affordable
and
sustainable
Transportation
options
to
help
solve
the
rural
Transportation
deficiencies
we
formed
in
result
in
response
to
the
needs
voiced
by
our
community
members.
Our
initial
activities
have
included
studying
the
background,
collecting
information
on
the
needs
and
identifying
areas
of
potential
Solutions
slideshow
going
through
I
think
we're
just
at
the
front.
The
yeah.
E
The
work
of
our
team
has
had
its
start
some
four
years
ago
after
the
last
municipal
election,
where
the
need
for
improvements
to
rural
Transportation
was
debated
or
our
Origins
are
in
the
carp
rural
Transportation
study
that
was
formed
by
the
Huntley
Community
Association
that,
but
it's
now
evolved
to
our
current
rural
Transportation
Solutions
working
group.
We
have
built
on
that
carp
study
on
the
background
work
conducted
by
rural
Ontario
Institute,
the
rural
initiatives
Collective
as
well
as
scanning
over
50
municipalities
that
have
rural
transportation
services.
E
K
Okay
next
slide,
please
thank
you.
Megan
I'll,
keep
this
brief.
Details
will
be
in
the
full
presentation.
It'll
be
uploaded
to
the
website
this
afternoon,
and
I
cannot
see
a
timer
translation
needs
in
rural
Ottawa
are
increasing
and
it's
often
difficult
for
a
family
to
meet
these
needs
within
its
own
resources.
This
need
was
recognized
back
in
2002
in
the
report
to
council,
but
a
number
of
these
recommendations
have
yet
to
be
implemented.
K
The
the
city's
new
official
plan
punted
the
problem
of
world
transportation
to
the
transportation
master
plan.
Next,
please.
K
K
K
K
K
K
On
fares,
there
is
support
for
a
fair
of
five
to
ten
dollars,
but
expanding
the
OC
transport
system
to
the
rural
areas
currently
comes
with
an
additional
charge
of
approximately
170
dollars
per
year
per
household
on
the
residential
tax
bill.
Auto
must
consider
a
hybrid
Fair
solution
that
incorporates
a
reasonable
passenger
fare
but
does
not
need
to
impose
a
large
general
tax
increase
on
all
rural
residents.
K
E
Great,
thank
you
Ken.
So
how
will
our
proposed
Solutions
affect
rural
residents
with
improved
and
increased
transportation?
We
believe
that
the
overall
quality
next
slide,
please
overall
quality
of
rural
life
will
be
enhanced
with
more
Transportation
options
becoming
available.
Something
important
for
me
is
that
youth
will
be
able
to
better
connect
with
important
mental
health
programs
and
services
only
available
in
suburban
and
urban
Ottawa.
E
Similarly,
adults
will
have
more
Transportation
options
to
get
to
and
from
their
place
of
employment
and
to
conduct
a
range
of
other
activities
associated
with
their
personal,
family
and
professional
lives.
Many
older
adults
will
not
have
to
rely
on
family
members,
non-for-profit
driving
schedules
or
Caregivers
for
present
for
transportation
or
Community.
Partners
will
continue
to
provide
assistance
to
those
in
those
areas
and
together
we're
going
to
be
able
to
support
seniors
to
age
in
place.
E
Also
we're
fortunate
that
the
diversity
of
rural
Ottawa
is
blossoming
in
improved
Transportation
options
would
increase
the
opportunity
for
social
connection
to
other
diverse
neighborhoods
and
communities
within
Urban
and
Suburban
Ottawa
and
Rural.
Economic
Development
requires
workers
and
customers
and
clients
to
move
in
and
out
of
rural
areas.
Increase
public
transportation
will
be
an
important
contributor
to
rural
Economic,
Development.
Okay,.
K
activities,
leading
up
to
that
delivery
include
consultation,
where
we
intend
to
conduct
a
series
of
community
consultation,
but
throughout
all
the
rural
Awards,
in
order
to
gain
more
feedback
on
specific
needs
and
to
gain
opinions
on
fares
and
cost
sharing
information.
We
intend
to
conduct
several
more
webinars
in
order
to
continue
to
improve
the
awareness
of
the
options
and
to
help
lead
towards
an
informed
decision,
we'll
be
seeking
again
more
feedback
on
the
specifics
of
timing.
Origin
destination
of
the
transportation
needs
on
the
surveys
we'll
be
conducting
our
third
survey
over
the
winter.
K
In
addition
to
increasing
participation,
we'll
focus
on
two
areas:
what's
a
reasonable
fare
and
should
the
model
be
based
entirely
on
user
pay,
or
should
the
cost
be
shared
by
all
taxpayers
and
finally,
on
a
business
case,
we
will
be
developing
our
proposal
to
include
a
more
detailed
dealing
with
a
cost,
and
for
that
reason
we
will
be
requesting
a
review
of
the
the
current
rural
transportation
area.
Tax
categories
we'll
be
recommending
a
hybrid
funding
model.
K
B
Well
before
we
go
to
question,
we
have
two
Council
have
a
question
for
you,
but
this
time
Mr
homie
didn't
stick
to
your
five
minutes,
so
you
were
more
than
five
minutes
that
we
were
more
than
happy
to
hear.
You
continue
to
finish
your
presentation,
so
I'm
gonna
go
to
councilor
Moffett,
but
thank
you
Megan
and
the
home
for
your
presentation.
C
Think
you
actually
I
had
a
question
halfway
through
and
I
think
you
actually
addressed
any
lost
comments,
but
it
was
essentially
the
what
you
referenced
about
170
dollars
per
household
per
year.
I
assume
that's
you're,
calculating
that
as
being
added
to
the
the
RTA
charge,
the
real
chance
area,
a
church
on
the
tax
bills.
Currently.
K
The
that
is
correct
to
to
transfer
from
Zone
a
to
Zone
B
requires
an
increase
of
about
a
hundred
and
seventy
dollars
per
average
residential
property
and
there's
there's
no
question:
that's
a
severe
disincentive
to
to
many
people
in
the
in
the
rural.
C
K
K
I
would
think
there
are
advantages
and
benefits
to
one
one,
rural
Zone.
That
would
require
a
significant
re-study
of
the
of
the
costs,
operation,
maintenance
and
and
capital,
but
I
think
there
are
opportunities.
If
the
user
pays
will
say
around
ten
dollars
for
a
ride.
There
are
opportunities
to
significantly
reduce
that
overall
tax
penalty,
we'll
call
it.
C
Yeah
it'd
be
interesting,
conversation
I,
think,
I,
think,
there's
I
believe
there's
willingness
in
the
in
the
urban
area
to
have
a
conversation
about
having
Oliver
a
lot
of
pay
the
same
there,
the
same
tax
rate
as
Urban,
auto
loan-
that's
just
it
I'm,
not
saying
you're,
saying
that,
but
that
that
comes
up
from
time
to
time.
Yes,
I've.
K
Seen
that
smile
on
on
many
pieces,
my
my
estimate
is
currently
according
to
City
information
about
a
third
of
the
rural
area,
is
paying
the
the
high
rate,
and
that
is
bringing
in
something
like
nine
million
dollars
for
the
for
the
operating
budget.
When
you
do
your
sums
on
the
number
of
hours
of
buses
that
we
have
operating
in
the
rural
area,
I
consider
that
Revenue
to
to
be
excessive.
K
One
third
of
the
population,
one
one-third
of
the
residents
one-third
of
the
the
tax
bills.
The
taxpayers
are
currently
in
the
high
rate.
C
K
Those
I'd.
K
The
figures
that
I've
used
were
given
to
me
directly
by
the
finance
stuff:
okay,.
C
B
Just
the
smart
correction,
Scott
all
of
West
Carlton
March,
is
I,
said.
B
C
B
Council
Gower
yeah.
I
Thank
you
chair.
Thanks
for
the
presentation,
Ken
and
Megan
Ann,
you
mentioned
your
consultation.
Could
you
just
give
us
some
more
details
about
consultations
with
businesses
and
maybe
very
briefly,
if
there
are
any
any
themes
you
heard
from
businesses
in
that
consultation,.
K
We
have
not
yet
gone
out
specifically
to
the
to
the
large
group
of
the
of
the
bias,
but
based
on
the
initial
work
that
we
did
during
the
the
carp
Transportation
study,
we
did
have
very
significant
involvement
by
the
carp,
Road
Corridor
Bia
and
we've
been
in
Con
in
contact
with
them.
Since
then,
an
exchange
exchange
ideas,
but
certainly
one
of
the
the
major
concern
of
the
Kirk
Road
Bia,
was
how
to
get
Workers
into
that.
K
I
Well,
that's
good!
In
fact,
I
was
thinking
exactly
of
that
particular
Business
Association,
because
I've
heard
from
several
of
the
business
owners
individually
about
the
their
challenges
in
attracting
workers
due
to
the
difficulty
of
of
getting
there
without
Transit.
B
Okay,
so
thank
you
again,
Miss
Gordon
for
your
presentation,
so
I
can
I
I,
don't
have
to
give
you
advice,
but
I
was
so
this
presentation,
you're
gonna,
share
it
with
the
transportation
committee
with
the
future
budget.
I
I
can
assume
that
that's
your
assumption.
K
Yes,
we'll
be
sharing
with
them
and
also
we'll
be
sharing
it
with
the
the
rural
office
and
the
the
transportation
master
plan.
It'll
be
posted
on
the
the
website
and
certainly
it'll,
be
the
the
backbone
of
the
next
stage
of
our
consultations.
B
And
I'm
not
sure
if
we'll
see
you
again
because
we
do
have
a
meeting
in
November
3rd,
but
if
we
don't
thank
you
very
much
for
all
the
years
of
contribution
to
the
Improvement
of
the
rural
transportation,
both
of
you
and
I
know
you
have
a
large
group.
You
work
with
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you.
It's
it's
one
of
the
rural
Council
on
this
committee.
So
thank
you
very
much.
B
So
thank.
B
C
B
C
D
No
thank
it's
okay,
I
I
thought
there
was
another
speaker
so
and
I
just
have
to
another
meeting
at
11,
starting
at
11,
so
I
was
going
to
say:
I
have
to
have
to
dip
out,
but.