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Description
Agriculture and Rural Affairs Committee
Agenda# 1
Date: Friday, February 24, 2023
A
A
B
It's
a
friendly
committee
here
just
so
you
know,
you'll
have
a
lot
of
time
to
talk
with
stuff
after,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
coming
out
this
morning
good
morning,
everyone
our
first
meeting
of
Iraq
agricultural
Affair
committee,
February
24th
here
at
band
Franklin
in
person,
so
not
so
nice
to
see
so
many
of
you
this
morning.
So
I'm
really
excited
for
that.
I
would
like
to
begin
by
acknowledging
that
this
meeting
is
being
held
on
unseated
anishinabi,
Al,
Congress
territory.
B
D
F
G
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
provide
some
opening
remarks
for
the
first
meeting
of
Agriculture
and
Rural
Affair
committee.
First
I
would
like
to
introduce
and
welcome
Vice
chair,
Counselor,
Clark
Kelly
Clark
Kelly
to
Iraq.
I
also
would
like
to
welcome
back
to
Iraq
for
her
second
term,
my
colleague
and
my
neighbor
counselor
Catherine
Kitt
as
well
a
new
member
of
the
committee
counselor
Lula,
but
he's
not
a
new
counselor
by
the
way.
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B
I
also
would
like
to
highlight
that
we
will
also
be
continuing
to
have
an
open
mic
Tradition
at
the
end
of
each
meeting.
This
will
allow
our
residents
to
speak
on
issues
that
are
brought
upping
up
and
during
the
meetings
at
for
items
they
would
love
to
share
or
Showcase
with
our
with
our
committees.
B
B
For
the
item
just
mentioned,
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted.
May
appeal,
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
line
tribunal.
In
addition,
the
applicant
May
appeal
the
matter
to
Ontario
lands
of
unit.
If
Council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
90
days
of
the
receipt
of
the
application
for
zoning
by
La,
Amendment
and
120
days
for
an
official
plan
Amendment
to
submit
to
written
comments
on
this
amendment
prior
to
their
consideration
by
city
council,
March,
8
2023,
please
email
or
call
the
committee
or
Council
coordinator.
B
B
B
4.1,
we
have
2023
draft
budget
operating
and
capital
budget
Agriculture
and
Rural
Affair
committee
staff
are
here
and
they
have
a
presentation
on
the
will
of
the
committee,
and
we
have
no
delegation
for
that
and
we
have
a
device
share
is
ready
for
a
roadmap.
Do
you
want
to
see
the
presentation
or
you
you
don't
skip
the
presentation,
I.
F
So
that
the
Agricultural
and
Rural
Affairs
committee
recommend
that
Council
sitting
as
committee
of
the
whole
approve
the
Agricultural
and
Rural
Affairs
committee,
2023
draft
operating
and
capital
budget
as
follows:
number
one
development
review
process
operating
resource
requirement
number
two
rural
Affairs
office
as
follows:
user
fees
operating
resource
requirement
number
three:
the
Agriculture
and
Rural
Affair
committee
Capital
program.
Individual
projects
listed.
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B
B
B
B
B
B
Do
any
of
the
members
wish
to
hold
this
item
or
we
can
just
carry
it
carried,
get
it.
Thank
you
that
the
agricultural
Affair
Community
command
Council
approve
an
amendment
the
zoning
bylaw
20
2008-250
for
part
of
217029,
as
shown
in
document
1
to
prohibit
residential
development
on
a
retained
Farmland
as
detailed
and
documented.
B
B
Very
thank
you
well
moving
forward.
Yeah
6.5
zoning
byline,
Amendment
1185
beaverhead
road.
We
have
received
no
delegation,
we
have
no
no
correspondence
but
also
we
have
the
owner
on
and
unless,
if
there
is
any
question
or
comment
from
the
committee,
do
you
want
me
to
hold
it
or
we
can
you
know
no
I,
don't
need.
G
B
Thank
you
very
much
this
morning
and
that
the
Agriculture
and
Rural
Affair
committee
recommended
Council
approve
and
Amendment
bylaw
2008
250
for
11.85
beaverwood
road,
as
shown
in
document
one
to
rezone
the
property
from
Village.
First,
this
density
residential
Sub
Zone
p
v1p
to
Village
third
density
residential
Sub
Zone,
one
with
a
rural
exemption
V3
to
permit
a
three-story
apartment
building
and
modify
the
performance
standards
as
detailed
in
document
too
exactly
carried.
G
B
B
I
I
My
name
is
Wayne
French
and
I
chair
the
prep
World
quarter,
Bia
and
with
me
this
morning
is
Roddy
Babar.
Who
is
the
executive
director
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
for
allowing
us
the
time
to
do
a
presentation.
I
thought
that
you
weren't
going
to
be
discussing
the
budget.
There's
going
to
be
no
presentation
on
the
budget
that
we
could
take
their
time
also,
but
I
see
you
know
we
had
to
buy
this.
We'll
look
at
that,
for
that.
I
Just
want
to
point
out
that,
on
your
terms
of
reference,
article,
11
or
0.11
makes
recommendation
to
Council
on
matters
relating
to
a
rule
bias
as
a
means
to
support
and
promote
economic
development
in
the
rural
areas.
We
want
to
work
with
with
your
committee
with
the
city
on
this,
because
that
is
what
we've
been
doing
for
the
last
number
of
years.
Is
that
developing
economic
development
in
the
carp
Road
Decor
area?
I
We
are
one
of
19
bias
and
the
the
business
Community
responds
to
the
corporate
Bia
and
it
was
established
in
2011.
and
prior
to
that.
We
had
an
association
that
operated
for
many
years
today,
over
225
businesses
and
over
300
3600
employees
work
in
the
and
establish
their
businesses
in
the
corporate
Corridor.
We
have
spent
every
year
approximately
125
thousand
dollars.
G
D
If
you
know
the
pub
it's
I
was
in
St
John's
Newfoundland
once
presented
on
late
industry
development
in
general,
and
somebody
came
up
and
said:
were
you
talking
about
the
Cheshire
Cat
pump
in
St
John's
Newfoundland,
but
the
other
landmark
that
you
can
see
on
the
map
is
we're
just
just
past
the
CTC
Center
so
that
hopefully
orients
everybody
to
where
we
are
from
an
economic
development
point
of
view.
The.
D
D
You
know
the
terms
of
reference
of
the
committee
talking
about
Economic
Development
economic
develops,
many
things
in
our
area.
It's
attracting
business.
It's
getting
development
approvals,
it's
Transit,
many
of
our
employees
as
you're,
aware
a
cross-ought
or
having
trouble
getting
employees
and
getting
them
to
work.
It's
reliability
of
hydro.
It's
many
things.
Economic
development
is
many
things.
D
It's
it's
Transportation,
it's
the
capacity
of
the
400
interchange
there
for
Logistics
to
come
and
go
is
it's
so
Broad
and,
and
our
members
tell
us
about
that
every
day,
the
different
ideas
they
have
to
improve
their
business
opportunity
in
the
corridor
to
grow
their
business.
But
since
Inception,
one
of
the
main
things
that
people
are
bringing
forward
to
us
is
the
idea
of
Municipal
Water
in
the
corridor.
In
2004,
the
city
permitted
the
airport
in
our
business
area,
to
connect
to
the
curb
Village,
Water
Supply,
the
City's
official
plan
and
previous
to
that.
D
The
regional
official
plan
had
a
policy
that
said
for
economic
development,
we'll
bring
some
pipes
out
into
rural.
We
don't
want
to
bring
pipes
everywhere,
but
if
it's
a
good
Economic
Development
opportunity,
for
instance,
the
current
report
there's
been
many
similar
approvals
in
the
past,
so
our
members
are
are
have
advocated
for
extension
of
Municipal
Water.
We
look
at
your
terms
of
reference.
D
There
are
some
policies
on
servicing
and
we've
appreciated
the
counselors
discussion
on
that
I've
dealt
in
the
past
about
Village
rural
servicing
and
different
opportunities
to
bring
servicing
for
stay
in
place,
retirement
and
support
businesses.
So,
but
we
did
to
do
an
economic
development
study
and
it
did
confirm
that
servicing
would
improve
the
economic
development
opportunity
in
the
business
area.
D
The
next
slide.
Please
certainly
other
issues
which
we
mentioned.
The
city
worked
hard
for
us.
Steve
Gautier
worked
hard
back
in
2014.
forming
in
2011.
Members
were
coming
forward
to
us
and
saying
I've
got
somebody
wanted
to
mind
my
property,
but
they're
not
allowed
to
do
what
they
want
to
do,
and
it
was
weird
how
the
the
zoning
didn't
line
up
with
the
market
forces
and
so
a
big
study
there
and
then
changed
and
helped
back
in
2016.
D
The
city
did
an
EA
for
four
laning
of
carp,
Road
from
417
into
Statesville,
and
that
project
is
in
the
transportation
committee
design
budget,
so
Transportation
equals
Economic,
Development,
innovative
ways
to
manage
septics
most
of
areas
on
on
well
and
septic.
But
with
the
help
of
the
rural
Affairs
office
and
some
of
City
staff,
the
city
has
approved
a
septic
design
guideline,
which
is
only
applicable
in
the
corridor,
and
it
responds
a
little
bit
to
the
uniqueness
of
Light
Industry,
which
is
different
from
residential
when
it
comes
to
Wastewater.
D
We
intend
to
proceed
with
a
local
Improvement
petition
in
part
of
our
area
coming
up
soon
and
also
partner
with
the
village
bi
we're
meeting
with
their
executive
next
week
and
the
village
nearby
has
concerns
about
water
supply.
There,
traffic
and
Transit
we've
discussed
that
OC
transport
came
out
to
our
area
many
years
ago.
We're
going
to
renew
that
activity
and
also
I
mentioned
Road
capacity.
Large
large,
fully
loaded
vehicles
take
a
lot
of
room
and
a
lot
of
time,
and
so
we'll
be
working
with
you
on
intersection
improvements.
D
Things
like
that
with
the
new
zoning
bylaws
coming
up,
we'll
work
with
staff
on
that
to
make
sure
the
the
broad
permissions
that
were
put
in
place
in
2014
stay
in
the
new
zoning.
The
value
of
Light,
Industry,
Logistics
and
Manufacturing
in
in
Ottawa
what
we
lament
sometimes
is
ottawa's
economic
development
opportunities,
often
framed
as
tourism
and
height
back
manufacturing
is
an
economic
development
opportunity.
F
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
to
both
of
you
for
your
presentation
today
and
for
the
the
work
you
do
in
in
our
award
in
terms
of
building
Economic
Development
opportunities
for
people
and
I've
been
helping
things
go
around
so
I
have
a
motion
here
that
I'll
read
into
the
record.
That
will
reflect
some
of
the
points
that
these
gentlemen
have
have
made
today.
F
12
encourage
the
orderly
development
and
management
of
growth
that
protects,
maintains
and
strengthens
the
character
of
the
city's
rural
areas,
including
its
hamlets
and
Villages,
and
promotes
the
concentration
of
growth
within
established
and
planned
settlements.
Number
13
promote
a
cost-effective,
environmentally
sound,
comprehensive
servicing
policy
for
the
city's
hamlets
and
Villages
and
designated
rural
economic
development
areas
and
be
it
further
resolve
that
item
number
three
under
specific
responsibilities
identify
ways
to
promote
an
understanding
of
the
rural
and
agricultural
communities
and
their
issues
be
moved
to
the
Mandate
section
of
the
terms
of
reference.
Thank
you.
B
F
But
I
just
want
to
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
you
guys
again
for
for
the
work
you
do
and
and
for
the
communication
and
openness
that
you've
showed
with
with
my
office
since
being
elected
and
the
the
help
that
you've
provided
and
and
for
what
you
do
for
our
community.
So
I'm
grateful
that
the
other
committee
members
have
have
passed
this
motion
and
that
we
were
able
to
to
be
of
assistance.
Thank.
K
D
Part
of
our
development
area,
which
is
just
south
of
the
Queensway,
moved
from
the
former
Ward
into
the
urban
area,
and
so
now
we
have
the
Reed
Business
Park
is
part
of
urban
Ottawa,
so
Urban
Ottawa
is
permitted
to
have
water
and
sewer
so
that
changed
the
equation
in
part
of
that
business
park.
We
have
members
like
Ferrante
Automotive
waste
management.
Is
there
a
firm
called
Cal
wave?
D
Interestingly,
water
does
penetrate
that
business
park
old
old
agreement,
one
pipe
comes
in
and
Darlene
visnaski
is
the
first
business
past
the
pipe,
and
it
happens
that
there's
a
hydrant
water
filling
station
at
that
location,
so
Power
Wave
makes
unique
products
for
alcohol.
What
do
you
call
those.
L
D
Stands
at
her
window
and
looks
out
and
watches
more
water
spill
from
the
trucks,
and
so
we
have
a
number
of
members
in
the
business
particles
long
advocated
for
water.
So
we
expect
that
the
local
improvement
process,
if
you've
been
through
one,
doesn't
go
quick.
You
know
we
will
survey
members,
we
will
approach
City
staff
for
help
in
cost,
estimating
and
distribution
to
individual
properties.
D
We'll
put
the
number
in
front
of
people
and
the
way
we
understand
with
Gina,
Gill
and
formerly
Dave
Wright
is
if,
if
we
can
get
50
of
people
not
in
their
heads,
the
city
will
institute
a
formal
process
and
then
that
process
requires
two-thirds
of
the
people
to
say
we're
ready
to
pay.
And
if
that
happens,
the
city
can
move
forward.
So
we're
anxious
I'll.
Just
briefly
say
the
city
and
the
last
official
plan
designated
a
whole
whack
of
new
employment
land
right
across
the
street.
D
From
this
Reed
Industrial
Park
South
of
417,
between
carp,
Road
and
Palladium,
a
large
new
section,
45
hectares
in
it
and
so
I'm
sure
the
owners
of
that
land
are
going
to
be
moving
forward
and
wondering
how
they're
going
to
get
water
service
too,
and
then,
finally,
with
the
the
design
of
carp,
Road
South
of
417
in
the
tra
in
the
transportation
budget,
that's
a
great
spot
to
decide.
How
do
we
get
water
output?
Water
just
has
to
come
a
little
bit
further
up
current
road.
D
Well,
when
carp
road
is
four
laned,
what
a
great
time
so
everything's
after
12
years,
things
are
falling
in
place
for
Reed
Park
for
the
area
north,
which
is
still
rural,
we
will
continue
to
Advocate
that
that's
an
economic
development
Zone
and
like
the
carp
airport,
like
Boundary
Road,
like
the
recent
approval
of
a
manufacturing
facility
on
Boris
at
Kane
Road
extending
into
the
rural
area,
does
provide
for
economic
development.
Okay,
do.
D
Like
I
said
darling
this
SP,
the
the
people
on
Ferrante
Automotive,
Ferrante
Automotive,
has
one
lot
where
their
business
is
and
then
they
own
two
adjacent
Lots
which
are
vacant
and
the
work
we've
done
on
water.
It's
interesting
the
response
you
get
from
owners.
If
you
have
a
vacant
lot,
provision
of
water
will
provide
a
significant
benefit
if
I
already
have
a
well.
No
the
other
unique
thing
about
it
is
where
the
individual
is
in
their
business
cycle.
D
Some
of
the
older
businesses
who
have
owned
the
property
a
long
time
and
may
be
considering
selling,
see
the
advantage
of
investing
in
water
and
the
impact
on
their
property
value.
Yeah
they'll
get
that
back
and
so
there's
there's
there's
an
economic
component.
There's
there's,
there's
Oz
Optics
is
is
in
this
area
that
one
of
ottawa's,
oldest
Tech
firms,
yeah
sure,
could
out
of
North
as
Tech,
but
we've
got
Oz
Optics.
They
had
a
they
had
a
ad
in
the
paper,
the
other
day
for
a
quantum
physics
person.
D
You
know
in
in
carp
Road,
but
they
spend
seven
eight
hundred
dollars
a
month,
bringing
bottled
water
into
the
facility
because
the
well
water
and
groundwater
in
the
area
is
poor,
and
so
you
know,
there's
there's
a
hundred
different
stories
about
why
people
will
vote
yes,
there's
local
prunes
are
almost
the
same.
Most
people
have
their
checkbooks
out.
These
people
will
always
say
no
and
there's
a
big
bunch
in
the
middle
and
that's
who
we're
talking
to
the
people
that
want
the
information
and
will
make
a
decision.
So
so
we're
we're.
D
K
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Councilor
leaper
and
I
just
want
to
thank
both
of
you.
I
know
you,
may
you
wear
too
many
hats
and
you
advocate
for
the
resident
and
Ward
5
all
the
time
and
many
other
files,
but
I
want
to
thank
both
of
you,
Roddy
and
Wayne
for
coming
here
and
Roddy.
I
know
that
you
also
help
a
lot
of
Bia
in
rural
area
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
all
the
effort.
Thank
you
very
much
both
of
you
for
being
here.
B
So
we
have
a
that
Agriculture
Rural
Affairs
committee
recommended
Council
approved
its
term
and
reference
of
reference,
as
outlined
in
this
report
as
attached
as
document
one
and
as
amended
can
we
is
that
motion
carry
carried?
Thank
you
and
we
go
back
to
6.2.
We
have
Carol
in
gallery
here
and
she
has
a
small,
quick,
small
presentation.
C
C
So
this
slide
compares
the
current
and
proposed
timelines
So.
Currently,
the
first
and
second
drafts
of
the
bylaw
are
scheduled
to
be
released
in
Q3
in
each
of
2023
and
2024,
with
the
final
draft
brought
in
Q2
of
2025,
and
the
proposed
work
plan
would
bring
the
first
and
second
drafts
in
q1
of
20,
2024
and
2025,
with
the
final
draft
bought
to
Council
in
Q4
of
2025..
C
So
the
additional
time
in
the
work
plan
is
needed
in
response
to
the
eight-month
delay
of
approval
of
the
official
plan
and
to
respond
to
sweeping
changes
to
the
Ontario
provincial
planning
framework.
That
I'm
sure
we're
all
aware
are
familiar
with
now
so
staff
for
evaluating
the
implications
of
the
30
modifications
made
by
the
minister,
as
well
as
the
complexities
introduced
through
the
changes
through
bill
23..
C
This
change
the
planning
act,
has
also
triggered
the
need
to
rework
the
draft
residential
zones
prepared
to
date
for
the
new
zoning
bylaw.
So
we
have
to
go
through
and
look
at
all
of
those
Provisions
again
and
determine
what
the
impacts
are
and
how
the
those
Zone
Provisions
will
need
to
be
changed
in
response
to
accommodate
these
new
permissions
as
part
of
that
overall
framework.
C
So
further
changes
through
Bill
23
Bill
23
in
applied
a
new
requirement
that
the
city
update
current
zoning
and
protected
major
transit
station
areas
with
within
one
year
of
such
areas
being
designated
in
the
official
plan.
The
city
is
required
to
ensure
there
is
zoning
in
place
to
implement
density
requirements
for
these
areas,
and
these
density
requirements
are
in
table
3A
the
official
plan
and
what
it
involves
is
Staff
going
to
each
of
the
26
PM
tsas,
involving
doing
an
analysis
of
the
existing
zoning
to
determine.
C
If
that
zoning
can
deliver
the
densities
that
are
shown
in
table
3A
of
the
official
plan
and
then,
where
those
debt
we
don't
have
zoning
that
is
adequate.
We
have
to
figure
out
the
specific
zoning
changes
needed
to
provide
those
permissions,
so
this
is
extremely
detailed
work.
It
involves
a
lot
by
lot
analysis
and
area-wide
calculations
for
the
density
potential
of
certain
of
the
very
specific
zoning
Provisions
in
each
of
the
26
pm
tsas.
C
C
Bill
23
also
implemented
changes
relating
to
site
plan
control
and
those
changes
impacted
the
ability
to
use
site
plan
control
to
affect
the
design
of
a
building.
So
in
the
new
zoning
battle,
we're
going
to
have
to
consider
carefully
where
it's
necessary
to
apply
new
Provisions
to
require
certain
minimal
types
of
building
articulation
to
to
address
the
quality
of
the
design
of
buildings
and
further
still
I.
C
So
staff
are
also
having
to
consider
that,
and
that
is
something
new
once
again,
so
there
will
be
opportunities
for
public
engagement
on
the
new
zoning
ballot
during
2023.
We
have
discussion
papers
ready
to
launch
in
this
quarter,
so
q1
of
2023
on
seven
key
zoning
issues
and
they're
up
there
on
the
screen
for
you,
surveys
will
be
available
for
each
of
the
discussion
papers
and
in
as
of
heard,
a
report
will
be
released
in
Q3
of
2023.
C
C
C
So
the
work
that
we're
doing
requires
a
city-wide
lot
by
lot
review
of
properties.
Then
new
Provisions
must
also
be
sensitive
to
the
neighborhood
context,
and
this
was
a
commitment
made
by
the
city
during
the
new
official
plan
process.
So
while
the
zoning
bylaw
was
or
the
official
plan
really
was
at
10
000
feet,
the
zoning
bylaw
is
right
at
ground
level
and
it
requires
an
extremely
detailed
consideration
of
every
property
parcel
in
the
city.
So
this
is
very
demanding
work.
C
C
The
new
zoning
Bala
would
Implement
an
entirely
new
framework
of
transects
and
designations
else.
Well,
as
revised
growth
management
strategy.
That
is
very
ambitious
in
terms
of
the
intensification
targets
and
while
zoning
ballot
2008
was
an
extremely
complex
process.
So
the
one
that
I
referred
to
that
occurred
doing
between
2003
and
2008.
It
was
less
ambitionist
in
scope
than
the
new
zoning
bylaw,
as
it
was
a
harmonization
of
the
zoning
bylaws
from
the
former
municipalities.
C
So
to
successfully
achieve
the
goals
and
minimize
appeals.
All
of
the
goals
in
the
official
plan
and
minimize
Appeals
draft
missions
are
currently
in
a
detailed
stage
of
development
and,
as
I
said,
a
lot
by
lot.
Consideration
of
over
300
000
Parcels
of
land
in
the
city
is
required
over
the
next
three
years.
B
D
C
I
E
C
Yes,
I
know
I
recall
when
we
did
the
2011
review
the
secondary
plans
for
the
villages.
We
did
many
meetings
and
I
think
I've
been
in
every
church
basement
and
former
Municipal
Hall
in
the
rural
area
and
so
we'll
attempt
to
provide
the
level
of
attention
that's
required
for
the
rural
area
as
part
of
our
consultations.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Council
Bluff,
thank
you.
Carol
I
I
know
that
I'm
happy
that
they
asked
those
questions
because
it's
also
impact
our
communities.
I
know
an
official
plan.
Some
of
those
story
recommendations,
lots
of
them
in
my
communities
and
my
areas,
there's
10
or
15
of
them,
but
I
understand
the
workload
and
we
appreciate
all
the
work
you've
been
doing
and
I
think
that's
fair
for
you
to
ask
for
those
timelines.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
being
here.
B
Sorry
that
the
Agriculture
and
Rural
Affair
committee
recommend
Council
approve
the
proposed
revisions
to
work
plan
timelines
for
the
new
rezoning
bylaw,
as
shown
in
document
one
project,
work,
plan,
timelines
and
document
2,
public
engagement,
timelines
to
add
an
additional
six
months
to
the
project.
Timelines
is
the
item
care
carried.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,.
B
H
Thank
you
very
much,
chair,
I'll,
read
this
out
and
I'll
provide
a
little
bit
of
context.
Afterwards.
The
inquiry
concerns
have
been
raised
with
respect
to
whether
new
residential
development
is
providing
adequate
parking
in
the
village
areas
and
whether
parking
regulations
and
parking
management
is
sufficient.
H
In
the
rural
context,
can
staff
advise
on
what
options
may
be
available
to
manage
parking
associated
with
new
residential
development
in
rural
Villages
and
what
the
potential
impacts
may
be,
including,
but
not
limited
to
amendments
to
the
zoning,
bylaw
subdivision
design
or
other
regulatory
or
parking
management
strategies
suitable
to
a
village
context?
A
chair
I
have
the
fortune
of
representing
I
think
but
I
believe
the
two
fastest
growing
villages
in
the
city
of
Ottawa,
manateek
and
Richmond
and
I
know
parking
in
urban.
H
Ottawa
has
always
been
an
issue
as
new
developments
come
in
and
lot
sizes
are
smaller
and
smaller,
but
that
has
a
disproportionate
impact
on
Rural
villages.
We
don't
have
X
accessible
access
to
Transit
and
if
we
do,
Transit
is
only
Monday
to
Friday,
which
means
you
still
need
a
vehicle
to
get
around
on
weekends,
to
shop,
to
take
your
children
where
they
need
to
go
Etc
just
to
live
your
Rural
Life,
which
is
why
I
put
this
inquiry
forward.
H
B
B
B
M
Ms
Crozier
has
an
up-to-date
presentation
that
I
had
sent
yesterday
if
I
could
have
that
up,
so
do
I
just
ask
to
advance
slide
or
can
I
do
that?
Okay,
so
I'm
with
the
Ontario
Artisan
wineries.
My
name
is
Craig
McMillan
I'm,
the
interim
chair
of
that
group,
some
here
today
to
seek
support
the
agricultural
Affairs
committee
and
ultimately,
the
city
of
Ottawa
Council,
to
eliminate
the
LCBO
markup
and
wine
Levy
imposed
on
the
Direct
Delivery
of
100
Ontario
non-dqa
Wine
to
a
licensee
in
simple
terms,
a
small
non-vqa
wineries
in
eastern
Ontario.
M
If
they
want
to
sell
wine
to
a
local
restaurant
or
paying
exorbitant
fees
of
up
to
47.5
percent,
which
I'll
get
into
shortly
next
slide.
Please
so
we're
small
wineries,
less
than
2
000
cases
we're
a
new
Association
as
of
spring
of
2022.
We
have
members
in
eastern
Ontario,
mostly
but
also
Prince,
Edward,
County,
Neary,
North
Shore
and
we're
separate
from
Eastern
Ontario
Wine
producers,
who
now
represent
our
sorry,
meteories
fruitery
fruit,
wineries
and
we're
specifically
doing
dealing
with
grapes
next
slide.
M
So
this
LCBO
markup
in
wine
Levy
what's
its
impact.
In
our
view,
it
has,
it
has
barred
the
sale
of
wine
by
local
Artisan
wineries
to
local
licensees,
because
it's
just
too
expensive.
Yes,
we
can
sell,
but
we
all
declined
to
because
of
the
cost.
It's
limiting
development
of
local
agritourism
and
diversification,
and
in
fact
it's
punishing
those
of
us
who
are
growing
100
Ontario
grapes.
So
if
eqa
wineries,
growing
100,
Ontario
grapes-
and
so
are
we
yet
we're
being
treated
different
differently?
M
Sustainability
of
local
artists
and
wineries
is
of
concern
and
the
development
of
rural
economies.
It's
not
consistent
with
open
for
business
and
support
local
and
in
essence
eastern
Ontario,
was
on
the
cusp
of
potentially
becoming
a
new
wine
region
in
Canada,
but
we
need
to
deal
with.
This
is
the
issue
to
have
that
happen
because,
frankly,
anybody
comes
to
me.
I
have
to
tell
them.
There's
this
big
impediment
to
you
developing
as
a
local
Winery
next
slide.
M
So
that's
just
the
list.
I
won't
go
through
it.
There's
in
eastern
Ontario,
10
wineries
that
are
impacted
in
the
city
of
Ottawa.
There's
three
there's
two
in
the
oven
and
one
in
Richmond
estimated
30
to
40
wineries
across
the
province
that
are
impact
is
non-dqa
wineries.
Next
slide,
I
won't
go
through
that
graphic.
It's
just
available
for
you
to
kind
of
see
the
differential
impact
on
the
charges
that
are
imposed
because
the
next
slide
goes
into
this
more
detail,
so
20
bottle
of
wine.
M
If
I'm
selling
that
the
selling
price
becomes
1802
I
won't
go
through
the
details
of
that.
But
if
there's
a
variety
of
charges
that
LCBO
takes
off
and
the
value
becomes
18,
so
a
vqa
winery,
Fitness
quality,
Alliance
Winery
is
going
to
sell
that
bottle
of
wine
and
get
80
of
the
revenue.
And
if
you
go
to
column,
two
you're
going
to
see
that
non-vqa
wineries
get
52
percent.
M
The
key
line
item
is
number
two
where
you
see
that
the
vqa
winery
is
paying
14
in
charges
to
the
province
and
we're
paying
42
percent.
So
we
can
see
it's
two
dollars
and
fifty
cents,
56
cents
versus
758,
the
federal
charges
and
container
deposit
and
excise
tax
I'm
not
going
to
delve
into
that.
For
the
most
part,
we
all
have
to
pay
that
that's
another
story,
but
at
the
bottom
you
see
in
red.
19.7
percent
is
the
vqa
wine
charges
and
we're
at
47.5
percent,
which
actually
goes
up
to
over
50.
M
If
you
include
excise,
tax
you'll
see
them
bold.
At
the
bottom
says,
the
difference
is
the
LCBO
markup
of
six
dollars
and
the
wine
Levy
and
next
slide.
Please
and
those
numbers
by
the
way
aren't
coming
from
the
oaw
in
your
materials
you'll
see
in
LCBO
calculator,
I,
just
plug
the
numbers
into
cell
CBO,
available
calculator,
and
it
pushes
out
those
numbers
and
percentages.
M
So
just
extrapolating
a
bit
for
the
the
committee
on
that
a
case
of
that
20
bottle
of
wine
we're
paying
sixty
dollars
more
and
receiving
sixty
dollars,
Less
on
a
thousand
cases
at
sixty
thousand
less
than
60
000
more
in
2000
cases,
it's
a
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
difference
now:
In
fairness.
We
are
not
going
to
be
selling
2
000
cases,
because
we
have
to
keep
a
certain
percentage
for
our
on-site
Winery
store
and
farmers
markets,
but
it
gives
the
idea
of
the
scale
that
this
causes
Us
in
charges.
M
M
M
Wine
producers
pursued
this
issue
for
two
or
three
years:
I
picked
it
up
in
2021,
I
had
been
working
for
the
federal
government
retired
and
was
in
a
better
position
to
pursue
this
issue,
and
I
did
manage
to
have
a
conversation
or
some
meetings
with
the
alcohol
policy
Branch
or
the
Ministry
of
Finance
and
after
about
a
year
I
had
them
advise
me
that
it
was
the
liquor
control
board
of
Ontario
acts,
section
4,
subsection
one
which
gives
this
Authority
it's
the
natural
rights
provision.
So
LCBO
is
like
any
other
business.
M
They
can
put
a
markup
or
Levy
own
the
products
that
they're
selling
and
they
have
a
monopoly,
of
course,
on
the
alcohol
beverage
in
the
province.
Why
is
this
important?
This
reveals
that
we're
talking
about
a
policy
decision
by
the
LCBO
to
impose
these
charges?
It's
not
legislative,
and
for
years
we
were
told
this
is
a
legislative
change.
You'll,
never
get
it,
don't
even
bother,
but
this
was
a
pretty
important
change.
Recognizing
policy
decisions
can
be
just
as
hard
to
change
as
legislative
provisions.
M
So,
ironically,
if
we
eliminated
the
markup
in
wine
level,
you
would
actually
increase
provincial
Revenue
now
I'm,
not
talking
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
here,
because
on
14
wineries,
you'd,
probably
range
between
500
000
to
a
1.5
million,
but
on
30
to
41.
Reese
would
probably
talking
several
million
because
we
would
start
selling
to
local
producers.
I'm,
sorry
licensees.
All
of
the
Ontario
Artisan
wineries
are
small
estate
family
owned.
Their
aspirations
are
only
to
serve
a
local
agritourism
model
and
community
and
work
with
local
Partners
we're
not
looking
to
get
into
the
LCBO.
M
Simply
we
don't
have
the
volume
to
meet
their
demands
and
other
technical
requirements
we're
not
looking
to
export
our
wine
and
we're.
Certainly
not
V3
is
just
not
an
option
because
it
would
cost
us
as
much
as
we're
paying
in
charges
next
slide
and
I'll
be
wrapping
it
up
shortly
here
so
we've
adopted
a
multi-tiered
advocacy
approach.
M
Great
goers
came
on
board
late
last
fall
of
Ontario.
That
was
a
big
benefit
for
us.
Previously,
they
were
not
engaging
on
this
issue.
Glengarry
Federation
of
Agriculture
supported
myself
now
aw
going
to
the
AGM
of
OFA,
large
majority
supported
a
resolution
to
eliminate
these
charges
and
the
board
of
directors
adopted
that
in
January
of
this
year
and
there's
a
letter
in
your
materials
that
they
recently
sent
to
the
Minister
of
Finance
next
slide.
M
So
Township
of
North
Glengarry
has
been
fairly
critical
for
us.
That's
where
I'm
located
and
there's
a
number
of
other
wineries
in
sdg.
They
supported
a
delegation
which
was
accompanied
by
Stefan
sarazan.
We
met
with
the
Ministry
of
Finance
the
Parliamentary
assistant
and
raised
this
issue,
and
so
the
minister
is
aware
of
the
issue.
Mpp
Stephen,
laredy
out
of
Essex,
has
supported
us
and
is
going
to
speak
with
the
minister
next
slide.
M
Steve
Clark
from
Leeds
Grenville
has
been
very
helpful.
He's
engaged
and
sent
a
letter
to
the
minister
directly
asking
that
this
policy
change
be
made.
I've
met
with
Miss
Kamari
for
Carlton
and
she's
indicated
support
and
we'll
be
writing
a
letter.
Stephen
sarazan
I've
mentioned
already
we'll.
Also
be
writing
a
letter
and
MPP
Todd
Smith
from
Prince
Edward
County
Bay
of
Quint
has
confirmed
his
support
and
will
be
speaking
to
the
minister
next
slide.
M
M
Township
of
South
Glengarry
the
same
day
adopted
a
resolution.
I
had
a
big
Zoom
call
yesterday,
with
United
counties
leads
in
Grenville,
they've
and
I
probably
won't
get
the
language
technically
correct,
supported
the
resolution,
but
have
tabled
it
to
be
approved
by
the
committee
of
the
whole
I
think
it
is
Miss
Catherine
Kitts
of
this
committee
has
been
briefed,
and
so
we've
got
a
number
of
other
meetings
scheduled
and
other
sector-related
organizations
in
coming
days.
Next
slide,
so
we're
new
to
this
I
may
be
at
the
wrong
place.
M
I,
don't
think
so.
I
think
this
is
an
important
agricultural
rural
issue,
we're
looking
to
get
city
council
to
endorse
a
resolution,
so
we're
looking
for
support
on
that
and
there'd
be
circulated,
administer
finance
and
other
relevant
ministers
or
we're
in
the
hands
of
the
committee.
If
you
have
any
other
advice,
we're
happy
to
take
that
from
you.
M
B
A
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
being
here.
We
had
a
really
great
discussion
on
how
I'll
see
the
floor
to
my
colleagues
to
ask
questions
since
I
already
had
some
time
with
you,
but
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
I
am
working
on
bringing
something
forward
and
I
did
still
want
you
to
present,
because
I
think
you're.
You
know
it's
best
said
in
your
words
and
I
think
that
we
presented
a
lot
of
very
valuable
information,
but
that
will
be
something
that
I'll
be
working
with
staff
to
bring
forward.
B
E
I'm
surprised
to
hear
this
is
your
first
presentation,
I
I,
don't
think
I've
ever
seen,
I've,
never
really
really
liked
the
the
vqa
policy
with
the
LCBO
I,
don't
think
I've
ever
seen
it
so
well
articulated
before
this
is
certainly
something
that
I'd
be
pleased
to
support
my
colleague
on
because
you
certainly
did
layout.
You
know
what
a
rent-seeking
racket
this
is.
M
B
F
One
of
my
words
pretty
new:
it's
it's
going
well.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation.
Those
numbers
were
were
quite
staggering
to
to
look
at
the
differences
there.
I
I
noticed
you
had
mentioned.
You'd
had
a
conversation
with
a
number
of
provincial
elected
officials.
Can
you
confirm
whether
or
not
that
you've
had
those
just
with
the
governing
party
or
have
there
been
discussions
with
mpps
from
across
party
lines,
so.
M
Our
strategy
has
been
to
in
just
this
coincidental
to
pick
townships
and
MVPs,
where
we
have
impacted
Wineries,
and
at
this
point
it's
only
involved
Conservative
candidate
writings
or
conservative
members
of
parliament.
The
government
has
not
made
any
commitment
at
this
point.
There's
no
promises,
I
haven't
even
had
a
yes
we're
going
to
look
at
it.
I
have
talked
to
red
tape,
production
as
as
well
I
wrote
to
the
minister,
and
he
put
me
onto
one
of
his
policy.
Analysts
and
I
continue
to
speak
with
alcohol
policy
branch
and
Industry
Finance,
but
I.
M
M
M
So
vendors
quality
Alliance
started
out
35
years
ago,
as
a
voluntary
organization
to
help
Niagara
wineries
form,
what's
called
an
appellation
system,
what
they
discovered
is.
They
became
better
known
for
wine
making
and
there's
a
whole
story
behind
that
is
that
to
get
access
to
France
and
other
countries,
they
had
to
have
an
appellation
system
which
means
controls
and
regulations.
M
You
know
there
is
quite
a
story
behind
why
we
can't
get
into
vqa
besides
it
not
being
our
model
or
what
we
want
to
do
or
it
fits
with
our
needs.
Cold
climate
grapes
are
what
most
of
our
wineries
grow.
They
weren't
around
25
35
years
ago,
well,
I
shouldn't
say
that
they
were
around
but
they're
not
as
prolific
as
they
are
now,
because
there's
a
recognition
with
climate
change.
Yes,
we're
going
to
warm
up,
but
we're
also
going
to
have
more
severe
winter.
So
you
need
to
have
great
varieties
that
can
withstands.
M
M
He
was
at
my
place
two
weeks
ago
and
his
phone's
ringing
off
the
wall
because
British
Columbia,
Nova
Scotia
got
hammered
by
that
polar
vortex,
and
we
do
here
so
a
non-vqa
winery
is
somebody
who
doesn't
belong
to
the
vqa.
You
have
to
pay
a
fee,
there's
other
requirements
that
go
with
that.
But
at
the
end
I
would
say
the
only
distinction
is.
Is
we
don't
have
a
tasting
panel?
We
still
have
to
send
our
stuff
to
a
lab.
We
still
have
to
you
know,
develop
customers
and
convince
them
that
we
have
a
product.
M
M
Would
range
from
small
which
they
describe
as
20
000
cases
we
do
2
000
cases,
there's
large
corporations
involved
as
well.
The
associations
that
you
know
groups
and
that
represent
wineries
are
mostly
dedicated
to
vqa,
so
we're
new
in
the
sense
that
we
said:
okay,
we're
not
vqa
and
that's
the
interest
we
want
to
represent.
M
Frankly,
some
of
the
officials
in
government
acknowledge
to
me
they
didn't
really
understand
the
impact
on
the
non-dqa
wineries,
but
vqa
is
a
powerful
Lobby
in
this
province
and
it's
it's
a
bit
of
a
David
and
Goliath
you're
going
to
hear
floodgates.
Arguments
I,
don't
think
that's
true!
For
years
we
were
so
about
five
years
ago
there
was
a
modernization
where
they
allowed
dqa
Wineries
and
fruit
wine.
We
used
to
go
to
farmers
markets
and
we
were
expressly
excluded
from
that.
M
M
So
I
don't
know
where
run
my
time
is
when
you
walk
into
the
liquor
store,
just
have
a
look
around
and
what
you're
going
to
see
in
the
main
aisle
in
the
winery
section
is
What's
called
the
international
domestic
blends.
That's
the
bane
of
existence
for
vqa
wineries,
because
they
only
require
25
Ontario
fruit
in
their
wine
they're
large
corporations,
and
they
basically
can
flood
the
market.
B
H
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
McMillan,
and
we
appreciate
you
being
here
this
morning.
I
echo
my
colleagues
concerned.
We
will
be
working
with
our
colleague
to
see
how
we
can
support
you.
It
seems
that
your
your
support
is
going
to
come
from
the
agricultural
effort
Community
across
the
board
and
I
saw
all
the
delegation
and
what
you've
done
in
the
past,
I
I,
just
small
recommendation,
I
think
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
did
or
you
didn't,
but
reaching
out
to
minister
of
Agriculture
is
important.
M
L
Rural
areas,
I
will
I,
won't
actually
take
more
time
good
morning.
Everyone
thank
you
for
having
us.
My
name
is
Megan
Ann
Gordon.
This
is
my
colleague
Charlene
and
we're
here
on
behalf
of
the
rural
Ottawa
youth
Mental,
Health
Collective,
which
comprises
of
12
multi-disciplinary
agencies,
who
are
deeply
invested
in
the
mental
health
of
rural
Ottawa.
L
Youth
I've
met
with
most
of
the
city
councilors
here
already
quite
recently,
but
I'm
happy
to
be
at
a
rack
today
to
talk
about
the
collective
and
the
gaps
in
services
in
rural
Ottawa
and
to
have
it
on
the
record
at
arack.
So
thank
you.
Our
Collective
has
observed
that,
while
mental
health
needs
have
increased
in
general
and
increased
in
complexity,
accessible
mental
health
supports
in
rural
Ottawa
have
remained
basically
non-existent,
as
everyone
at
this
committee
knows,
Ottawa
is
a
unique
municipality.
L
It
is
one
of
the
largest
rural
areas
of
any
city
in
Canada,
with
80
percent
of
the
geographic
area
made
up
of
rural
with
less
than
10
percent
of
the
population
living
there.
This
makes
it
really
difficult
to
compare
to
other
rural
areas
because
we're
located
so
closely
to
a
large
urban
center.
Our
26
rural
Villages
are
not
considered
rural
in
the
eyes
of
many
funding
bodies.
However,
the
experience
of
rural
youth
living
in
rural
Ottawa
is
very
disconnected
from
the
urban
core
and
it's
causing
them
to
fall
through
the
cracks
past.
L
Attempts
to
address
these
issues
have
been
met,
with
a
lack
of
understanding
of
the
true
barriers
faced
by
rural
youth,
access,
distance,
no
public
transportation,
the
necessary
disclosure
to
caregivers
in
order
to
access
any
Urban,
Services,
lack
of
understanding
of
what
supports
exist
and
the
general
perception
that
Urban
supports
are
either
too
busy
or
do
not
simply
do
not
reflect
the
unique
needs
of
rural
residents
to
name
just
a
few
late.
Last
year,
I
spoke
with
a
youth
who
lives
in
Fitzroy
Harbor.
L
They
told
me
a
heartbreaking
story
of
the
time
that
they
tried
to
access
a
very
specific
mental
health
drop
in
for
lgbtq2s
plus
youth
Fitzroy
is
a
very
small
village,
very
far
away
from
any
services
and
has
no
public
transportation.
The
problem
started
with
it
being
downtown
on
George
Street
in
the
market
on
a
weeknight,
but
this
youth
actually
had
really
supportive
caregivers
that
were
able
to
flex
their
work
schedule
and
drive
downtown
in
traffic
to
bring
this
youth.
L
It
took
months
to
organize
and
it
many
failed
attempts
in
the
past
as
The
Story
Goes,
they
got
downtown
and
there
was
a
sign
on
the
door
that
said,
Program
full.
Please
come
back
next
week
when
I
heard
this
story
from
this
youth,
they
had
not
yet
gone
back.
This
story
that
I
just
told
is
not
an
isolated
event.
Social
services
and
Grassroots
organizations
in
rural
Ottawa
have
been
hearing
stories
like
this
over
and
over
for
years.
So
in
2018
our
Collective
was
born.
L
We
did
extension
extensive
research
and
we
learned
exactly
what
needs
to
be
done
to
make
youth
feel
supported
in
their
mental
health.
We
talked
to
youth,
their
parents
and
caregivers,
local
politicians,
Educators
service
providers,
hockey,
coaches
Scout
leaders.
Basically,
anyone
who
would
listen
all
who
are
were
concerned
about
the
lack
of
accessible,
Equitable
and
inclusive
mental
health
supports
for
this
vulnerable
group
of
Youth.
L
We
defined
the
challenges
we
developed
a
baseline
of
how
many
youth
are
currently
feeling
supported,
and
we
investigated
kinds
of
programs
and
services
that
are
collective
and
the
members
can
Implement
to
help
you
feel
more
supported,
and
then
we
set
a
goal
by
2024
80
percent
of
rural
Ottawa.
Youth
will
feel
that
they're
getting
the
mental
health
support
that
they
need
or
know
where
to
go.
If
and
when
they
need
that
support.
We
learned
the
absolute
best
way
for
youth
to
access
mental
health
services
within
is
within
their
own
community.
L
We
then
created
strategies
to
achieve
this
goal
and
we've
begun
implementing
programs
in
advocating
for
services
to
reach
rural
youth.
We
are
part
of
a
preventative
strategy.
We
want
to
support
youth
of
rural
youth
so
that
they
don't
reach
the
crisis
stage
and
they
certainly
don't
end
up
relying
on
first
responder
resources
in
emergency
services
care
or
in
Hospital,
youth
programming
and
youth.
Mental
health
supports
will
enable
youth
to
become
mentally
well
and
supported.
Adults.
L
We've
talked
in
depth
to
rural
residents
and
service
providers
about
how
to
support
rural
Youth,
and
we
know
exactly
what
it
will
take.
We're
doing
a
really
good
job
and
we're
only
getting
better,
which
brings
me
here
today
making
sure
that
rural
youth
are
supported
in
their
mental
health.
Requires
government
investment,
we're
on
our
last
leg
of
funding
from
the
lake
log
foundation
and
in
order
to
continue
our
work,
we
need
to
secure
sustainable
funding.
L
Beyond
2023.,
our
Collective
and
or
Our
member
organizations
need
consistent
annual
funding
of
at
least
500
000
dedicated
directly
to
rural
Ottawa.
In
order
to
increase
youth
mental
health
supports,
so
we
can
continue
to
connect
with
support
Youth
and
set
them
up
for
future
success.
Thank
you
in
under
five
minutes,.
H
New
chair,
okay,
go
ahead.
Thank
you,
chair.
Thank
you,
Megan.
Thank
you,
Charlene,
for
coming
out
today.
I
know:
we've
spoken
about
this
issue
and
I'm
happy
that
you've
been
able
to
speak
with
my
colleagues
as
well,
because
this
is
one
of
those
not
emerging
issues,
but
one
of
those
issues.
That's
certainly
coming
to
the
Forefront
now
and
something
that
I
like
to
say
and
Megan.
H
You
referenced
it
briefly
in
your
comments
about
the
the
vastness
of
the
city
of
Ottawa,
every
single
Urban
and
Suburban
Ward
fits
in
my
ward
and
I
still
have
space
left
to
spare,
so
it
I
hope
that
provides
a
bit
of
context
for
those
who
are
joining
us
today,
virtually
and
then
again
in
this
room.
Just
to
those
challenges
about
distance
and
getting
somewhere.
H
I
know
when
you
have
to
tell
a
youth
that
they
need
to
get
down
to
George
Street
in
the
market
to
get
Services
it's
hard
enough
to
get
from
one
Village
to
the
next
in
rural
Ottawa,
and
if
you
don't
have
a
car
or
you
can't
rely
on
someone
to
get
you
there,
then
there's
no
access
and
so
I
think
this
is
very
important
that
we
look
at
this
in
a
holistic
way.
I'm
hoping
for
the
benefit
of
this
committee.
L
There's
a
there's
a
few
things,
so
our
funding
through
laid
law
Foundation,
it's
it's
a
five-year
funding
cycle.
We
are
on
year
five.
We
always
knew
that
we're
getting
to
the
end
of
our
funding
through
Laidlaw
we've
been
successful
every
year
that
we've
applied.
So
we
are
now.
We
are
in
a
in
a
position
to
be
looking
for
sustainable
funding
and
that's
for
the
work
of
the
collective,
but
also
our
our
agencies
within
the
collective.
So
there
are
12
agencies
that
are
represented
within
the
collective
and
they
have
expertise.
L
They
have
mental
health
expertise
that
they
can.
They
can
put
into
real
rural
communities.
They
just
don't
have
the
funding
to
make
that
possible
right
now,
so
we're
looking
anywhere
that
we
can
look.
There
is
provincial
funding
for
Rural
communities
that
we
don't
have
access
to.
We
Can't
apply
for
it
because
we're
not
rural
enough
I
guess
because
we're
part
of
the
city
of
Ottawa,
and
so
we
are
working
towards
that.
L
H
I
think
that's
good
and
I
appreciate
your
statement
about.
We
can't
access
it
because
we
are
part
of
the
city
of
Ottawa.
You
know
that
really
I
know
I
talk
about
that
often.
My
colleagues
have
heard
me
talk
about
that.
It's
very
challenging
because
we
have
more
in
common
with
the
small
rural
communities
outside
of
the
city
of
Ottawa
that
we
really
do
within
the
city
of
ottawan.
Because
of
our
designation
as
the
city.
H
L
Yeah
and
that's
a
really
important
point
that
you
brought
up
so
I,
live
in
Richmond
and
and
youth
in
Richmond
often
feel
more
comfortable
accessing
services
in
say,
kempville
or
Carlton
place,
because
those
services
are
designed
for
Rural
residents,
as
opposed
to
being
told
to
go
to
George,
Strait
or
being
told
to
go
to
Smythe,
Road
or
whatever
services
are,
but
often
it's
it's
based
on
your
postal
code.
So
when
you
go
and
they
type
in
k0a,
they
say
I'm,
really,
sorry
you!
L
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I,
don't
want
to
repeat
the
questions,
but
I
know
that
you
work
very
closely
collectively
with
as
good
use,
Association
and
I'm
well
aware
of
the
program,
and
it's
been
working
well
in
our
community
and
I'm,
hoping
that
expand,
but
the
challenges
I
totally
agree
with
you
and
I
understand
that
we've
been
working
on
the
last
eight
years,
actually
with
our
provincial
partner
before
the
even
the
conservative
party,
we
work
with
our
on
many
other
infrastructure,
Grant
or
anything.
B
We
were
always
excluded
when
we
have
a
grant
from
expansion
of
natural
gas
or
anything
like
that.
So
we've
been
very
successful
in
the
past
and
I.
Don't
see
why
not?
This
committee
will
work
together
collectively
to
making
sure
one
Grant
comes
specifically
from
The
Province
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
category
in
it
and
specification
that
rural
resident
in
Ottawa,
because
we
really
write
80
percent
of
Arawa
is
rural
and
we
should
we
should
be
qualified
for
those
grants.
B
So,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
advocacy
and
we'll
work
together
collectively
to
help
you
and
will
also
will
reach
out
to
our
VP,
also
to
make
sure
to
talk
to
Goldie.
I
know
you've
been
in
touch
with
her
before,
but
will
re-echo
those
to
making
sure
that
she
hear
us
very
well
and
I
will
work
together
collectively
to
be
successful.
So
that's.
B
Okay,
so
thank
you
very
much.
We
have
we
can
adjourn,
but
before
I
adjourn
I
wanna.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here.
I
want
to
thank
City
staff
from
all
departments
from
the
finance
from
policies.
I
know
also,
our
legal
staff
that
have
been
here
set
up
this
beautiful
setting
here
for
us
to
be
able
to
have
face
to
face
and
to
have
in-person
meeting
and
I
also
thank
all
the
participants
that
they
join
us
on
Zoom.
So
thank
you
very
much.