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A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
consider
ooze,
and
this
this
motion,
I,
believe,
has
been
prepared
by
staff
and
staff
in
support
of
this
motion,
so
honor
yeah,
an
emotion,
okay,
okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
comes
to
the
ruse
and
thank
you
a
day
for
coming
out
and
you
don't
need
to
speak,
so
you
can
just
say
you
twist
our
arm
and
you
you
want
this
battle.
So
thank
you
very
much,
sir,
and
now
we
go
to
item
number
three:
where's
planning
staff,
funding,
review
and
staff
increase.
B
Mr.
chair
members
of
committee,
thank
you
for
giving
us
some
time
on
your
agenda
today.
We
want
to
talk
about
a
study
that
we've
undertaken
to
review
our
fees
and
we'll
be
asking
committee
and
council
for
a
staff
increase
just
so
that
you
are
aware,
we
made
a
presentation
at
planning
committee.
This
is
a
citywide
report.
So
that's
why
we
are
here
today
we
have
divided
this
review
into
two
phases.
Our
overall
goal
is
get
to
get
to
cost
recovery
in
so
much
as
development
applications
would
then
pay
for
all
of
our
direct
costs.
B
This
way
we're
removing
the
burden
from
the
tax
base
phase.
One
is
our
direct
cost
phase.
Two
will
take
us
a
little
bit
more
time
and
what
we're
hoping
to
achieve
with
phase
two
is
to
also
look
at
our
indirect
costs.
So
you
know
heating
haider
of
the
building,
whether
it's
finance,
that's
supporting
our
work
and
by
the
way
I
wanted
to
introduce
Nancy
Winans,
our
Account
Manager
and
Finance
who's
with
me
here
today
and
Lynne
Lowe,
our
project
support
who's
been
on
working
with
us
on
this
project.
B
So
our
ass
today
is
that
we
have
a
20%
increase
citywide
in
our
planning.
Applications
just
want
to
note
that
this
does
not
include
site
plan,
so
you
will
know
that
rural
areas
have
a
lower
site
plan
fee.
So
we
are
not
touching
that
these
are
fees
that
are
for
applications
that
are
taking
what
is
existing
in
cities
and
councils
official
plan
and
trying
to
make
a
change
so,
whether
that's
an
OPA
or
a
zoning.
B
Members
of
committee
may
have
heard
and
years
past
that
we're
under
a
lot
of
challenges
and
a
lot
of
pressure
to
be
able
to
meet
timelines
and
we're
just
not
able
to
meet
those
timelines
and
I'll
get
into
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
But
part
of
that
challenge
is
in
capacity
and
staff
capacity.
So
we've
had
further
studies
and
reviews
done
and
it's
been
signaled
to
us
that
we
require
additional
staff,
so
we're
asking
for
seven.
B
B
B
So
we've
been
meeting
with
the
development
industry
in
consulting
with
them
over
the
summer
to
try
and
get
some
support
for
this
20%
increase
in
the
goba,
who
was
also
speaking
on
behalf
of
boma,
came
to
planning
committee
last
week
and
indicated
that
they
are
in
support
of
the
20%
increase,
with
the
caveat
that
we're
gonna
be
improving
our
processes,
so
I've
undertaken
this
fall
to
talk
about.
How
are
we
going
to
improve
our
development
review
process?
We've
got
bill.
B
108
we've
got
timelines
that
are
going
to
be
reducing
for
us,
so
there's
a
lot
of
pressure.
We
have
also
undertaken
to
initiate
more
studies
on
sort
of
a
continuous
improvement
type
approach,
we're
looking
at
ways
in
which,
between
legal
services
and
planning
services,
we
can
look
at
our
process
to
implement
our
agreement.
It's
a
little
bit
more
efficiently,
we'll
be
looking
at
the
post
approval
for
subdivision
review,
we're
gonna
be
implementing
the
engineering
recommendations.
B
B
So
this
just
gives
you
a
little
bit
of
summary
again
of
what
what
I've
already
talked
about
in
terms
of
what
committee
and
council
would
be
approving
in
terms
of
percentages
for
those
fee
increases
and
again
we
are
not
changing
site
plan,
so
volume
of
applications
just
wanted
to
show
you
a
bit
of
the
bit
of
the
challenge
that
we
have
in
2016.
We
had
about
839
applications
2018,
we
had
939,
so
we
increased
by
a
hundred
applications
right
now
we're
sitting
at
555
that's
halfway
through
the
year,
so
we're
projecting
over
a
thousand.
B
We
haven't
increased
our
staffing
and
part
of
what
the
challenge
is
is
not
just
the
number
of
applications.
It's
the
complexity
of
applications
that
we're
dealing
with.
So
it's
becoming
much
more
challenging
so
just
to
to
wrap
up.
We
received
direction
from
Planning
Committee
last
week
on
a
couple
of
matters
just
so
that
a
brought
committee
members
are
aware,
so
the
direction
that
we
received
was
to
come
back
in
q2
2020
to
be
able
to
identify
how
we
are
going
to
provide
for
a
reserve
fund.
B
The
second
was
to
undertake
to
review
our
our
legal
services,
a
study
and
be
able
to
come
back
with
the
results
of
that,
and
also
we
received
direction
from
councillor
Brockington
for
me
to
be
able
to
provide
an
information
report
on
how
we
are
going
to
undertake
to
make
changes
with
the
development
and
improving
the
development
review
process
in
the
new
year.
So
that
concludes
my
presentation
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
C
C
The
industry
has
been
asking
that,
but
I
have
a
few
concern
that
retain
and
and
our
official
plan
we've
been
trying
to
to
build
a
brand
new
official
plan
and
we're
really
concentrating
on
rural
villages
to
making
sure
that
we
keep
their
identities
and
we
keep
talking
about
a
separate
official
plan
on
every
village
and
we
are
really
revisiting
every
communities
and
every
village.
Because
if
you
look
at
rural
Ottawa,
it
is
really
unique,
because
what
happened
you
look
at
monsters,
you
look
at,
can
burn
or
as
good
or
Vernon.
C
You
have
a
different
challenges
in
every
village,
and
every
village
has
a
different
dynamic
and
have
a
different
features.
And
of
course
no
one
in
the
village
want
to
lose
their
identity.
I
have
I,
have
a
concern
and
impact
with
this
fee
increases,
because
what
happen
is,
if
you
look
at
Vernon,
for
instance,
people
who
live
in
Metcalfe
and
in
Vernon,
if
they
want
a
gas,
they
they
want
a
gas
trust
me
they
have
to
go
to
Russell
and
they
have
to
go
to
Manchester.
C
That's
where
people
and
all
my
community
go
shopping
and
the
food
lands
and
anything
that
they
need
daily.
The
Vernon
it
becomes
that
Street.
There
is
no
development
and
the
reason
behind
that
I
took
mr.
Willis
for
Drive
and
the
reason
behind
that
our
fees
and
our
regulation,
local
person
who
live
in
Vernon,
cannot
really
try
to
open
business
or
feature
budget
little
fudge
plays
or
something
to
feature
the
committee.
C
It's
become
a
burden
on
them
to
be
able
to
go
through
the
city,
so
they
go
and
the
open
end
rustle
they
go
in
one
Chester,
they
go
to
Pryor
and
it
is
because
of
all
these
paths.
So
that's
my
concern.
This
is
where
I'm
really
having
struggle
and
how
we
trying
to
keep
our
community
an
economy,
development,
keep
jobs
and
keep
our
community
features
and
now
we're
we're
enforcing
these
cost
on
those
developers.
C
I
am
NOT
concerned
about
a
box
store,
want
to
come
and
put
a
Walmart
and
see
that
that's
fine
that
they
want
that
they
want
this,
but
I
do
have
concern
in
the
rural.
How
we're
gonna
manage
our
corners?
How
we're
gonna
manage
our
streets
that
little
bit
concern
me.
So
that's
I
just
want
to
leave
it
at
this
and
I
know
the
chair,
the
chair
and
I
had
a
discussion
and
I
know
he
has.
C
B
Chair,
that's
a
no
great
feedback
and
I
know
that,
through
the
next
official
plan
that
the
team
is
working
on,
that
I've
had
conversations
with
mr.
Willis
before
coming
today,
and
he
certainly
has
articulated
that
these
are
the
things
that
they're
going
to
be
looking
at
through
the
next
official
plan.
B
We're
gonna
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
deterring
people
from
wanting
to
change
councils
policies,
so
I
think
these
fees
are
what's
going
to
set
little
bit
of
that
deterrent
for
those
that
may
be
trying
to
deviate
from
where
council
wants
to
go
and
I
really
think
big
picture.
You're
right,
counselor,
I
think
with
this
next
official
plan.
That's
really
going
to
set
the
stage
for
what
councils
looking
for
in
terms
of
that
encouragement.
So.
C
I
really
appreciate
it,
and
you
know
the
thing
is
I.
Look
at
it
around
is
those
municipalities
around
us
are
getting
the
benefit
of
our
roads
and
infrastructure
and
they
are
actually
gaining
the
development
and
they're
gaining
those
new
businesses
and
basically
they're
using
our
rows
and
we're
paying
for
the
infrastructure,
but
it's
also
building.
If
you
look
at
around
Arawa,
it's
actually
killing
those
villages
that
they
are
really
at
the
border
of
of
arable
between
those
municipality.
A
B
B
That's
a
very
good
question
chair.
It
varies
depending
on
the
complexity
of
the
the
development
or
the
application.
We
have
what
we
would
consider
to
be
the
file
leads
involved.
Then
there
would
be
some
engineering
review,
depending
on
the
nature
of
the
application.
Again,
if
there
are
traffic
transportation
issues
and
we
involve
those
folks,
if
there's
a
park
involved,
then
we
embark
will
involve
parks
planning.
B
We
have
a
circulation
that
goes
out
to
probably
I'm
gonna,
want
to
say
50
different
employees
within
the
organization
and
then
there
technicals
that's
the
technical
circulation,
and
then
we
circulate
to
other
utilities.
So
there's
an
awful
lot
of
people
that
get
involved
in
an
application
depending.
B
B
Depending
on
the
application,
type
I
can
at
least
give
you
a
sense
in
terms
of
how
we're
meeting
our
timelines
overall
last
check.
We
are
meeting
our
timelines
just
about
52%
of
the
time
if
you
look
at
all
of
our
applications
lumped
together
within
the
targeted
time
line,
so
we
are
definitely
are
under
pressure
and
in
terms
of
trying
to
meet
our
timelines.
So,
okay
have.
B
Again
that
varies
we
process
about
a
thousand
map
we
received
about
a
thousand
applications
a
year.
We
do
an
annual
report
so
each
year
we
kind
of
report
out
on
where
we're
at
in
terms
of
our
progress,
but
we
do
have,
we
always
are
carrying
file.
So
it
depends
on
how
you
consider
a
backlog
but
well.
B
A
chair,
that's
absolutely
part
of
the
process.
These
seven
new
FTEs
I
just
want
to
set
the
expectations
clear
for
everyone,
though,
that
I
don't
believe
these
seven
FTEs
are
gonna
solve
the
problem.
They're
gonna
improve
the
situation,
and
that,
in
combination
with
some
of
our
external
engineering,
work
that
we
have
done
is
also
going
to
help
to
support
and
I.
Think
some
of
the
new
changes
that
we
really
want
to
bring
forward
in
the
new
year
in
terms
of
our
business
processes
will
also
help.
So
it's
gonna
be
a
it's.
D
B
Right
absolutely
a
chair,
they
would
be
stalled
and
there's
also
timelines
associated
where
a
developer
could
appeal
on
a
non-decision.
So
that's
a
that's.
Definitely
an
impact
then
you're
into
legal
associated
with
managing
that
type
of
an
appeal.
We
hear
from
the
industry
all
the
time
that
time
is
money,
so
the
faster
we
can
process
the
better
and
you
start
to
look
at
supply
when
you
look
at
affordable
housing
and
housing
costs
more
supply
that
we
have
obviously
the
better
offer
the
resident
have.
B
We're
a
little
over
50%
of
the
time,
that's
on
all
of
our
applications
together,
our
plans,
a
subdivision
right
now
we're
tracking
really
well
on
our
plans
of
subdivision.
After
q2,
we
were
meeting
our
timelines
for
all
of
our
plans.
The
subdivision
I
know
that
our
site
plans
have
also
improved
in
terms
of
our
timing,
for
those
I
could
certainly
circle
back
before
council
and
give
you
a
whole
outline
of
each
one
of
our
application
types
and
our
timelines.
If,
but.
D
B
Often,
there's
staff
are
working
overtime
to
be
able
to
meet
timelines.
Often
we
are,
you
know,
working
with
the
app
applicant
to
sort
of
understand
what
their
timelines
are
at
their
end,
because
some
applications
are
ready
and
they've
got
sales
on
their
homes
and
they're
ready
to
close.
So
it
depends
on
where
each
application
is
and
in
terms
of
what
they're
going
to
be.
Some
applications
come
in
and
they
may
not
be
developed
for
a
number
of
years.
B
B
The
industry
has
been
supportive
of
this
increase
in
the
comments
and,
if
you
wanted
to
listen
to
the
planning
committee
and
I,
don't
want
to
put
any
words
in
anybody's
mouths,
but
the
industry
was
stating
that
they
felt
they
felt
confident
and
mr.
Willis
and
myself
being
bringing
forward
continuous
improvement
measures
within
our
processes
that
they
felt
confident
that
we
were
going
to
continue
to
to
undertake
some
of
these
reviews
to
shorten
the
timelines
and
especially
with
its
increase
in
staff.
They
are
very
happy
with
the
increase
in
staff
and
with
the
new
technology.
B
D
B
E
Thanks
I
just
I
imagine
miss
Denmark
can't
elaborate
as
much
maybe
on
some
of
the
intricacies
of
some
of
these
applications,
but
what
people
have
to
take
into
consideration
as
well
is
that
it's
not
entirely
always
the
city
holding
up
an
application
like
quite
often-
and
we
hear
this
a
lot-
is
that
an
applicant
might
reach
out
to
a
city,
councilor
and
say
well,
what's
the
delay?
What's
the
delay?
What's
the
delay
and
it
turns
out
it's
quite
often
a
middleman
in
between
the
city
and
the
applicant.
E
E
It's
happened
once
and
that
was
cave
an
in
Richmond
and
we
were
able
to
settle
that
and
actually
worked
out
well
for
the
community,
but
the
tough
thing
with
that
is
that
it
takes
out
of
the
hands
of
councilors,
but
in
in
most
cases
the
applicant
is
understanding
because
a
lot
of
times
it's
not
just
a
one-sided
affair,
where
that's
right,
where
it's,
where
it's
it's,
it's
the
city
holding
up
its
usually
because
there's
an
exchange
of
ideas.
It's
it's!
E
It's
a
fluid
negotiation
of
how
this
developments
gonna
fit
or
one
huntin,
and
that's
always
tough
and
I-
think
with
the
province
when
the
province
made
those
changes
from
150
days
down
losing
30
days
and
like
60
days
on
on
OPA.
That's
incredible
pressure,
because
it's
not
really
always
the
city.
That's
holding
this
up.
I,
really,
don't
know
how
that's
are
they
gonna
work
I
mean
we'll
see,
I,
don't
really
know
why
the
province
did
that
because
I
don't
really
see
the
benefit
in
it,
but
but
we'll
see
how
that
goes.
E
As
for
the
the
other
thing,
and
it's
interesting
when
you
show
the
comparisons,
when
you
bring
up
Markham
and
Mississauga
and
Hamilton
and
Toronto
they're,
all
the
GTA
and
Ottawa's
an
island-
and
it's
it's,
it's
a
huge
challenge,
but
I'm
no
talking
to
councillors
in
North,
Granville
they've,
recently
added
charges
that
they've
ever
had
before,
because
they
can't
keep
up
their
infrastructure
pressures
and
back
with
Township
laner
count.
Either
they're
really
not
different,
because
they're
putting
all
the
pressure
of
all
the
growth
in
there,
but
they
don't
actually
have
the
money
for
the
infrastructure.
E
North
Granville
wants
to
fully
upgrade
343
through
town.
You
have
no
one,
this
development,
all
this
growth
pressure,
it's
all
coming
in
to
the
city
of
Ottawa,
but
they
can't
manage
the
maintenance
of
their
own
infrastructure
in
their
own
town,
because
they've
added
all
this
growth
without
the
funds
to
take
it
in
so
they're
on
out
they're
also
now
introducing
development
charges.
So,
even
though
the
City
of
Ottawa
has
much
cost
structure
in
a
fee
structure,
those
municipalities
around
us
are
feeling
that
pressure
and
they're
also
feeling
the
negative
benefit.
E
We
talked
about
Vernon,
but
you
look
at
a
community
at
Carleton
places,
Carleton
places
about
a
ton
of
growth
along
Highway.
Seven,
all
the
box
stores
development
throughout
go
on
Bridge
Street
in
Garland
place.
British
Street
is
dying
in
Carlton
place
because
of
what
they've
done
with
their
growth
and
how
the
highways
impacted
it.
So
it's
not
it's
not
this
apples
to
apples
comparison.
When
we
look
at
other
municipalities
surrounding
the
city
of
Ottawa
there
is.
E
There
is
a
there's
pros
and
cons
to
every
single
one
of
these
things,
but
just
putting
development
in
beckwith,
for
instance,
just
because
the
fees
are
lower,
that
that
means
probably
is
hurting
by
that,
and
I
can
see
that
in
the
future
those
fees
will
come
close
together.
North
Granville
is
already
going
in
that
direction,
and
the
people
in
north
Granville
are
complaining.
The
fees
are
high,
but
they'll
keep
on
moving
that
direction
because
they
have
to
do
the
same.
E
They
have
the
same
challenge
that
we
have
in
terms
of
keeping
up
with
the
infrastructure,
and
they
can't
do
it
they're,
allowing
all
the
growth
they're
getting
all
the
benefit
from
that,
but
they're
not
actually
getting
the
money.
They
need
to
do
the
improvements
that
they
need.
So
so,
while
we
are
ahead
of
them
in
terms
of
costs,
don't
expect
that
to
always
be
the
case.
A
Thank
You,
councilman
moffat,
I
think
I
can
agree
with
you,
because
some
of
the
some
of
the
surrounding
area,
one
time
for
tax
increase,
we've
seen
those
area.
The
property
tax
increase
has
gone
a
lot
faster
than
what's
the
rural
Ottawa
is,
but
nevertheless,
at
the
meantime,
the
neighboring
municipality
are
up
seeing
the
growth
whether
is
properly
planned
or
not,
and
we
are
not
around
they're
there
and
that
and
that's
a
concern.
A
It's
not
just
in
one
part
of
the
rural
area,
but
I
think
all
around
the
rural
area,
that
that
is
the
concern
but
I'm
glad.
We
are
talking
about
this
because
we
heard
from
my
colleague
and
I'm
prior
now,
their
tax
going
to
be.
There
has
to
be
in
a
double-digit
in
order
to
be
able
to
keep
up
with
the
growth
they
have.
They
are
allowed
to
happen.
A
Another
infrastructure
in
the
desire
to
to
increase,
but
I
would
worry,
I'm
going
to
ask
based
on
what
we
had
discussion
with
staff
and
discussion
with
some
of
the
folks
in
a
rural
area.
I
would
like
to
give
this
as
a
direction
and
I
know.
I
worked
with
the
Ann
and
Andrea
on
this
direction
and
I
believe
there's
three
of
us
here
we
sits
on
Planet
Committee
as
well.
I
think
comes
to
government
and
Scott
were
on
the
Planning,
Committee
and
I.
Think
that's
important
to
continue
working
together.
I
understand
the
industry.
A
Is
it's
in
full
support,
but
when
we
talk
to
mr.
Lewis
at
a
more
one
of
the
recommendation,
our
staff
or
staff
in
the
review
Department
should
not
accept
any
application.
If
it's
not
complete,
because
I
Scott
said
yeah,
the
middle
man
sometimes
shown
the
city
because
so
easy
to
blame
the
city,
and
even
if
everybody's
fault,
everybody
believe,
is
the
city's
fault.
We
know
that
and
we
heard
it
loud
and
clear
so
I
hope
staff
will
commit
to
this
not
to
accept
any
application
in
the
future
if
it
deemed
to
be
uncomplete.
A
But
with
that
I
like
to
read
it
if
it's
okay
with
you
folks,
whereas
the
report-
planet,
service,
funding,
review
and
staff
increased
proposed
amendment
to
a
planning
application
tree
and
whereas
document
1
detailed,
the
current
and
proposed
city
of
our
user
fee
and
well
as
the
rural
council
has
expressed
a
concern
that
the
cause
of
developing
land
in
the
surrounding
rural
community,
such
Leonard
or
Prescott
Russell,
has
already
law,
and
where
is
the
rural
area?
Councillor
fear?
A
There's
such
a
rapid
increase
in
the
application
fee
will
definitely
disadvantaged
rural
economic
development
in
the
City
of
Ottawa.
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
Agriculture
and
Rural
Affairs
Emily
direct
staff
and
client
service
bring
forward
a
plan
to
face
in
the
incremental
increase
over
a
period
of
two
years,
2020
and
2021
for
the
rural
area,
as
defined
in
schedule.
A
A
rural
policy
plan
of
the
future
plan
in
time
of
consideration
by
Council
on
October
9,
keep
in
mind
the
development
and
all
the
rule
will
not
move
the
me
that
you're
talking
about
when
it
comes
to
staffing
or
or
fees,
because
it's
very
small
amount,
and
we
check
that
with
you.
So
I
hope
staff
first
of
all,
I
hope.
My
colleagues
will
support
this
direction
and
I
hope
staff.
We
can
take
that
direction
and
work
with
us
on
it
so
on
this
direction.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
on
a
report.
So
we
have
two
item,
one
amendment
that
the
plan
application
free
asset,
but
in
bylaw,
2019
95,
as
detailed
in
document
1
item
2,
the
addition
of
seven
full-time
equivalent
FTEs
positioned
for
the
planning
service
and
legal
service
area
in
the
annual,
approximately
cost
of
eight
hundred
thousand
funded
entirely
from
the
increase
in
fee
generated
revenue,
notes
and
documentation,
one
on
the
on
the
item
carry
with
with
the
direction.
A
D
D
I'm
right
here,
okay
I'm
here
to
speak
about
the
phase
three
flood
plain
mapping
updates
that
are
coming
forward.
This
is
a
third
phase
of
a
series
of
zoning
amendments
in
a
multi-year
program
to
implement
updated
flood
plain
mapping
received
from
the
conservation
authorities
in
2012,
the
City
of
Ottawa
partnered,
with
our
three
conservation
authorities
being
Mississippi,
Valley,
Rito,
Valley
and
south
nation
conservation
authorities.
D
The
lands
adjacent
to
the
water
coast
water
courses
shown
here
will
be
affected
in
the
rural
wards.
This
includes
Constance
Bay
in
Shirley's
Brooke
for
Ward
5
flowing
Creek
in
Hobbs
drain
Kings,
Nicholls
and
Stevens
Creek
for
Ward
21a
are
brook
river,
mckennon's,
east
savage
and
McFadden
creeks
and
Devine
and
Marshall
sanguine,
creeks
and
Becket's
Creek
for
Ward
19
and
middle
castor,
River
and
Evers
buckles
and
Evers
creeps
for
war.
20.
D
Lands
within
the
one
in
100-year
floodplain
have
a
1%
chance
of
flooding
in
any
given
year.
The
2014
provincial
policy
statement
does
not
permit
development
in
the
1
in
100
your
floodplain,
the
Official
Plan,
includes
policies
that
do
not
permit
the
construction
of
buildings
and
structures
in
the
floodplain
and
the
floodplain
policies
in
the
Official
Plan
are
implemented
in
the
zoning
bylaw
in
Section
58
floodplain
overlay,
the
one
in
100
floodplain,
is
shown
on
the
floodplain
overlay
zoning
map
in
the
zoning
bylaw.
D
The
staffs
recommendation
is
that
this
committee,
and
also
a
Planning
Committee
on
October
10th,
recommend
that
council
approve
amendments
to
the
floodplain
overlay
in
the
zoning
bylaw.
These
amendments
have
been
prepared
in
consultation
with
the
Rideau
Valley
Mississippi,
Valley
and
south
nation
conservation
authorities,
and
will
apply
the
most
up-to-date
information
available
concerning
the
location
of
the
one,
a
100-year
floodplain
in
the
zoning
bylaw.
A
A
F
F
The
impacts
is
on
value
of
property,
it's
in
cause
and,
for
example,
insurance
and
the
ability,
even
thereof,
I'm
dealing
with
restriction
on
operations,
a
very
draconian
message
of
how
that
my
property
is
being
virtually
all
of
it,
is
being
put
into
the
flood
zone.
I
can't
really
go
anywhere
with
my
property.
I
can't
build
a
barn
or
a
shed
or
any
such
thing
to
continue
to
operate.
F
Infrastructure
from
the
development
but
I'm
dealing
with
something
that's
much
more
insidious
than
that,
it's
not
just
having
the
roads
in
the
snow
removal
for
a
new
development
in
the
impact.
It's
that
when
you
create
urban,
you
expand
urban
areas,
close
proximity
to
agricultural
lands.
You
change
what's
happening
in
agricultural
lands
and
when
you
get
it's
not
just
the
the
roads
that
are
being
put
in
and
that
cement
and
tarmac,
it
is
also
the
building's
infrastructure
and
you've
reduced
it
significantly.
F
Development
plans:
it's
one
thing
to
look
at
what
you
do
fine,
but
we
are
the
ones
that
are
bearing
some
real
costs
and
implications
of
this
drive
to
the
urbanization,
and
we
have
little
say
to
it:
we're
relatively
few
few
votes
and
certainly
not
the
dollars
that
the
developers
have
you've,
also
approved
or
lik.
Allow
changes
to
the
elevation
of
land.
For
example,
I've
the
drainage
ditch
runs
in
the
back
of
my
property.
I
have
a
neighbor
on
their
side
of
the
drainage
stage
was
allowed
to
put
in
literally
thousands
of
loads
of
fill.
F
F
F
Clearing
Oh
must
be
15
years
ago,
I'm,
not
just
speaking
myself.
I
know
my
neighbors
I've
been
there
36
years,
I
my
neighbor's
that's
evolved
wall,
Ridge,
Farms
there
now
and
what
I
think
about
their
fourth
generation.
The
rainbow
roofing
is
also
involved
with
this
Glenn
Edwards
and
the
Edwards
farms
I'll.
Let
speak
on
her
own.
The
they've
already
raised
their
objection.
The
yeah
I've
been
36.
These
are
in
fourth
and
fifth
generations,
one
gentleman
85
years
old.
Is
they
farmed
that
land
or
adjacent
to
it,
and
it
has
never
ever
seen
a
flood
there.
F
E
A
question
it's
more
of
a
just
a
comment
to
respond
to
some
of
the
things.
One
of
the
challenge,
if
you
saw
early
on
the
agenda
item
for
was,
was
an
item
called
Biltmore
estates.
It's
a
it's
a
crescent
in
near
monster
and
it
was
approved
and
developed
back
in
the
late
90s
early
2000s
approved
by
coolverton
township.
It
had
no
outlet,
so
it
was
a.
It
was
a
low-lying
area
and
it
had
no
element
whatsoever.
E
E
Isn't
all
of
a
sudden
flooded
out
because
of
what's
going
on
north
of
it
and
how
that's
managed
through
MacKinnon's
Creek
needs
to
be
the
responsibility
of
of
the
property
owner?
That's
a
making!
That's
that's
causing
the
problem,
so
in
Goulburn,
for
instance,
that
just
the
area
that
I
represent
we've
done
that
recently,
with
Faulkner
drain.
We've
done
that
with
Arbuckle
drain
van
gaal
drain.
E
We
have
seven
our
musical
drains
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
what
it
does
actually
does
lend
us
the
ability
to
manage
those
those
water
courses
through
development,
the
Monaghan
Creek,
for
instance,
arrow
to
Kannada,
that's
paid
for
entirely
by
the
developer.
It
runs
all
through
agricultural
land
to
ensure
that
we
maintain
the
drainage
that
we
do
not
create
an
impact
on
those
property
owners
south
of
where
the
south
or
where
the
development
is.
But
then
it's
paid
for
by
the
development.
So
I
agree
that
that
wasn't
happening
20
years
ago.
E
But
it
is
to
be
happening
now,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
we
did
a
few
years
ago
is
make
sure
that
when
develop,
applications
come
forward,
but
the
drainage
staff
are
brought
in
at
the
start.
Because
what
happens
is
it
could
take
a
year
and
a
half
to
two
years
to
go
through
a
miserable
drain
process
through
the
drainage
act?
But
it's
also
the
same
time.
It
takes
to
go
through
the
site
plan
process
and
Zoning.
E
So
we
try
to
do
that
concurrently
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
one
getting
caught
off
guard
by
the
end.
What
we're
addressing
those
drainage
issues
as
we
go
so
I
know.
That's
what
we've
been
looking
at.
If
there
are
specific
instances
where,
where
you're
seeing
that's
not
happening,
then
you
know
we
or
your
counselor
need
to
know
that.
So
we
can
hit
that
because
it's
actually
by
civil
drainage
law
that
one
property
cannot
flood.
E
Another
and
I
know
some
of
the
concerns
you
had
I've
heard
those
same
concerns
about
the
flood,
plain
mapping
and
and
with
fill
and
how
people
come
in
and
fill
the
land
which
obviously
causes
floodplain
issues.
That's
actually
one
of
the
benefits
of
mapping.
The
floodplain
is
that
all
of
a
sudden,
now
that
fill-in,
that
manipulation
of
land
becomes
illegal.
E
Now
it's
there's,
there's
two
sides
to
that.
There
are
people
that
want
to
be
able
to
come
in
and
fill
their
land
whenever
they
want,
but
the
challenge
that
we
have
is
that
that,
like
you
said
it
impacts
other
property
owners
and
that's
not
fair,
so
property
rights
are
a
funny
one,
because
it's
it's.
You
have
property
rights
on
your
own,
but
then
what
rights
to
your
neighbors
have
to
their
property
and
that's
what
you're,
referring
to
the
flood
plain
mapping,
actually
helps
that
to
a
degree,
so
it
could
help
it
going
forward.
E
But
what
happens?
A
lot
of
these
times
is
people
know
the
flood
pay
map
is
going
on
and
they
go
out
there
and
they
do
the
work
to
ensure
that
their
property
is
is
not
identified,
but
unfortunately
other
properties
now
are
more
identified
because
of
what
happened
before.
So
these
types
of
studies
and
these
types
of
when
we
implement
this,
these
updates
it
addressed
in
the
future.
F
Respond:
I,
don't
I'm,
not
disagreeing
with
flood
plain
mapping
as
as
a
noble
intent
and
that's
you've
changed
or
some
of
your
practices
for
dealing
with
the
planning
development.
That's
happening,
but
I've
got
I'm
bearing
the
impact
of
my
property
going
under
the
floodplain.
In
fact,
my
operations,
my
living
and
I'm,
bearing
the
implications
and
you've
had
developments
just
north
of
me,
I
was
in
one
kilometer
that
I
know
they've
done
engineering
and
basins
and
so
on.
F
But
having
said
that,
there's
ever
this
one
and
a
hundred
year
kind
of
a
situation,
it's
going
to
come
down
through
the
creek
drainage
system
and
there
has
to
be
a
damn
thing
done
to
make
that
even
work
regularly
but
cleaning
or
to
take
it
up
to
build
it
better.
So
what
you're
doing
is
some
of
us
are
bearing
the
cause
for
everything.
I,
don't
think.
There's
any
element
of
fairness
and
I
mean
a
taxpayer.
G
There,
okay,
thank
you.
I
concur
with
the
previous
speaker
there
with
regard
to
the
like
of
information.
This
matter
has
crept
up
on
us.
I
seem
to
recall
having
gone
to
a
public
exposition
on
drainage
and
so
on.
Sports
play
it's
probably
a
couple
of
years
ago,
but
I
maybe
miss
recollecting
anyway
I
you
know,
I
have
a
property
at
the
northwest
corner
of
twin
of
twin
Elm
and
barnesdale
Road.
We
call
it
the
forty
acres,
but
it's
38.3
acres
by
a
measurement.
G
But
the
land
is
never
flooded.
My
recollection,
so
III
came
I
on
the
form
that
I
filled
out
this
morning.
I
put
a
question
mark
there:
whether
to
oppose
or
to
approve
this
thing,
because
I'm
really
seeking
information,
I,
don't
know
if
there's
anything
with
regard
to
the
proposals
that
impinge
on
this
area
quickly
through
this
booklet
here
I,
don't
see,
don't
think
there
is
anything
in
there,
but
I
will
change
my
direction
to
the
map
on
these
maps
are
pretty
poor,
they're,
so
small
age,
29
pertaining
to
the
carp
River.
E
G
G
G
A
I
Actually,
just
that
quick
comment
thanks
for
presenting
mr.
Novoa,
in
regards
to
your
the
particular
note
about
carp
River,
it's
actually
part
of
it's
kind
of
an
unusual
report
and
that
we're
dealing
with
half
of
it
here
at
the
Agriculture
and
Rural
Affairs
and
half
of
the
next
week
of
planning
and
what
you've
raised
actually
pertains
to
part
of
the
mapping
that
that's
coming
to
planning
committee
next
week.
So
that
particular
part
is
at
a
scope
for
our
committee
today.
But
I
wanted
to
just
ask
staff
if
a
summary
could
be
made
of
mr.
D
You
are
able
to
give
me
the
I
tried
to
consider
the
location
of
the
property.
Then
you
are
correct.
The
mapping
is
is
hard
in
this
report,
but
there's
a
website
that
allows
you
to
scan
right
into
your
very
own
property
and
see
what's
happened.
So
if,
if,
if
you
give
me,
the
information
I
can
provide
comment
on
what's
changing
for
the
area
that
you
have
concerned
to.
G
G
I
G
A
H
I
have
three
comments
to
make
today.
The
first
one
is
on
the
public
consultation
and
the
notice
second
is
on
drainage,
and
the
third
is
on
property,
values
and
I.
Think
the
two
first
speakers
did
touch
on
these
and
and
spoke
quite
well
to
these
topics.
But
I'll
just
add
my
own
comments
here.
I
appreciate
that
conservation
authorities
are
now
sending
out
letters
individually
to
property
owners
that
are
impacted
by
the
mapping
and
I
think
that's
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
H
H
I,
don't
recall
seeing
this,
although
I'm
pretty
sure
that
the
chair
would
have
mentioned
this
in
his
last
one
and
if
I
might
make
a
comment,
there
there's
a
lot
of
information
that
the
counselors
have
to
don't
have
to,
but
they
do
very
nicely
get
information
out
to
residents
I'm
wondering
if
there
could
be
a
separation
of
city
business
that
will
impact
a
property
owner
and
the
various
events
that
are
going
on.
When
I
read
the
emails,
it
seems
that
it
starts
with
the
events,
the
social
events
and
then
at
the
bottom.
H
You
might
find
the
things
that
are
city
related,
so
just
something
that
you
might
want
to
consider
maybe
having
two
different
emails,
one
that
discusses
city,
business
and
another
one
for
the
events.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
possible,
so
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about
was
was
drainage
and
again
that's
been
mentioned.
H
I
think
that
flood
plain
mapping
should
always
be
undertaken
in
conjunction
with
a
drainage
report.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
feasible
or
not,
but
I
know
I've
been
hearing
for
many
many
years
that
the
drainage
is
falling
behind
the
mapping
and,
of
course
the
impression
sometimes
is
that
the
drainage
is
not
being
given
enough
console
it's
not
being
given
enough
attention
and
also
with
mapping
once
the
mapping
happens,
then
it's
very
difficult,
I
think
for
the
property
owner
to
get
that
changed
or
removed.
H
So
actually,
I
was
going
to
just
read
you
this
from
better
business.
If
I
can
find
it
quickly,
just
a
comment
from
one
of
the
farm
organizations
about
improving
communication,
especially
where
changes
to
maps
to
map
features
on
private
lands
are
anticipated
and
allow
for
no-cost
appeals.
Sometimes
it
is
very
prohibitive
for
people
to
go
through
the
various
steps
to
have
those
maps
changed
and
I
do
appreciate
the
chair,
letting
people
know
that
if
you
don't
make
your
comments
here,
then
you
can't
can't
appeal
I.
H
Think
a
lot
of
people
don't
yet
understand
that
and
as
much
as
my
organization
tries
to
encourage
people
to
a
comment,
I'm
not
sure
it's
being
done
yet
I,
don't
know
how
we
can
improve
that.
But
I
would
certainly
like
to
see
some
improvement
there.
My
last
comment
is
on
property
values
in
in
the
report.
H
I
know
there
were
some
comments
on
reduced
property
values
and
whether
or
not
the
city
would
then
reduce
the
taxes
as
a
result
of
that
and
I
think
the
response
was
given
well
that
you
can
appeal
to
impact
to
have
assessment,
while
that's
true
I'm,
not
sure
that
that's
a
real
measure
of
the
property
value,
the
measure
of
the
property
value
is
how
much
you
can
sell
it
for,
and
sometimes
that's
not
taken
into
account.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
thank
you,
but
before
before
I
go
to
question
Lorraine,
can
you
tell
us
how
did
you,
how
did
the
city
advertise
about
those
meeting
folder
for
the
mapping
for
the
flood
mapping,
because
I
invite
you
to
my
community
when
we
had
the
flood
with
NBC
a
and
and
you
had
a
table
and
you
introduce
yourself
and
sure?
How
did
you.
A
D
Terms
of
this
mapping
exercise
the
city
for
this
report.
It
was
because
it's
a
citywide
amendment.
We
met
the
the
Planning
Act
guideline
or
regulations
which
so
it
was
advertised
through
our
website,
but
also
through
the
the
local
newspapers
that
are
so.
It
wasn't
sent
to
each
person
affected
for
for
this
zoning
report.
But
before
the
report,
the
each
of
the
conservation
authorities
hold
open
houses
and
two
of
the
conservation
authorities,
the
south
nation
and
Mississippi
Valley.
D
They
send
out
a
notification
to
everyone
in
the
regulate
who's
who's
in
the
regulated
area
of
the
zoning
maps
that
they're
considering
updated
the
Rideau
Valley
Conservation
Authority
has
done
it
for
the
most
part,
but
not
as
consistently,
but
they
have
told
me
that
there
they've
onto
their
board
they've
changed
their
processes
to
make
sure
everyone
is
notified
who's
in
the
regulated
area
that
is
changing
and
they
advertised
through
their
websites.
They
have
a
mail
out
that
they
do
themselves
and
that's
done
up
before
they
submit
the
mapping
to
the
City
of
Ottawa.
D
A
E
D
C
Thank
you.
I
really
appreciate
your
presentation.
I
just
wanna,
it
was
actually
I,
was
just
gonna
touch
on
the
same
thing
that,
because
in
south
nation
conservation
authority
we
did
held
a
public
meeting
for
all
the
resident
impacted
around
Casa
and
all
our
in
our
neighborhood.
So
I
know
that
we
had
an
open
house
in
Metcalf.
We
advertise
it
a
lot.
I
was
personally
there
and
I
know
that
we
have
a
lot
of
Resident
came
in
and
they
did
distribute
letter
to
all
the
impacted
landowner.
C
C
They
confuse
it
with
drainage
like
the
provincial
drainage
and
municipal
drain,
and
then
sometimes
they
just
beat
Nam
and
they
don't
really
come
to
meeting
because
they
don't
want
to
hear
about
it.
But
we
try
to
as
much
as
we
can
communicate
those
messages
out,
but
probably
we
could
do
better
any
newsletter
and
separate
some
of
the
venues.
But
we
thank
you
for
that
comment,
but
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
we
did
public
meeting
and
all
the
south
nation
South
nation,
with
the
CAS.
E
H
E
Because
that's
that's
kind
of
the
funny
nuance
with
this:
it's
similar
to
maybe
a
quarry
application
or
or
a
landfill
application,
where
it's
actually
approved
by
a
different
level
of
government,
the
RVCA
being
the
CA,
is
being
kind
of
a
quasi
provincial
arms-length
sort
of
body
and
yet
we're
the
ones
that
have
to
then
go
implement
the
changes
at
the
end.
So
yeah
no
I
think
that's
a
good
thing
to
take
back
in
a
word
all
on
on
different
different
conservation,
30
boards.
E
H
D
D
Okay,
okay,
thank
you,
I
guess,
Lorraine,
how?
If
a
person
is
notified,
what
Inc
impact
can
they
make
like?
What
can
they
can
they?
Their
input
is
necessary,
but
they
can't
really
change
the
the
elevations
or
the
the
flood
plain
mapping
from
this
that
we're
doing
right
now.
Can
they,
in
in
terms
of
the
city,
just
changes.
This
is
a
conformity
exercises.
Conservation
authorities
regulate
floodplains.
D
So
if
someone
were
to
come
forward
with
an
application,
for
example
they're
within
the
regulation
limits,
even
if
we
don't
update
the
floodplain
for
them,
so
they
would
be
directed
to
the
conservation
authority
who
would
tell
them
what
they
could
or
could
not
do
with
their
property.
So
this
is
from
this
perspective.
It's
a
conformity
exercise
when
they
do
where
they
do
have.
D
Impact
is
when
they
have
the
open
houses
and
they
go
that
when
the
conservation
authorities
do
their
open
houses,
because
perhaps
something
has
changed
from
the
time,
the
mapping
was
done
that
a
property
owner
could
advise
them
that
it's
out
of
date
or
whatever,
and
they
can
do
a
closer
look
at
at
their
property
and
and
maybe
assumption
they
made
in
their
in
their
format,
could
be,
could
be
changed
so
that
they
could
do
that.
Another
thing
that
happens
is
this:
this
is
a
desktop
kind
of
study
like
it's
done
with
lidar
mapping.
D
But
if
a
person
wants
to
develop
their
property,
they
can
do
more
site-specific
flood
plain
mapping.
That
is
much
more
accurate
and
if
so,
they
can
have
it
changed
on
their
property
if
they
can
demonstrate
that
that
what
they
have
is
more
accurate
than
what
the
conservation
authority
has.
But
this
is
the
best
data
they
have
at
this
point
in
time.
I
guess
I.
Just
it's
interesting.
You
mentioned
light
I.
Just
this
I
am
curious.
D
It
says
this
is
the
most
accurate
that
we've
got,
but
if
a
property
owner
undertakes
a
site-specific
plan
of
elevation
and
the
conservation
authority
reviews
and
accepts
this,
an
amendment
can
be
instituted
so
I'm.
Trying
that
confuses
me,
is
it
the
best
or
is
how
can
this
be
changed?
It's
above.
It's
above
that
the
lidar
testing
that
they're
doing
is
above
the
standards
of
what
the
province
requires
of
the
CA.
So
so
it's
it's
as
accurate
as
they
can
get
from
from,
without
actually
walking
on
every
site
and
going
it
with
a
measuring
tape.
D
But
if,
if,
if
there's
an
inaccuracy,
which
there
typically
isn't
or
if
there
is
it's,
it's
minor
or
it's
just
outdated,
those
adjustments
can
be
made,
but
the
conservation
authority
would
have
to
verify
that
that
the
new
information
is
more
up-to-date
than
what
they
have.
So
anyone
who
has
a
problem
with
what
they
found
in
their
property
can
work
with
the
conservation
authority
in
the
yes.
H
A
E
A
questioner
speech
he
says
I
just
just
one
one
thing,
because
it's
poor
to
note
that
it's
not
always
negatively
the
the
flood
plain
mapping
for
the
reader.
River
corridor
was
done
recently
with
lidar,
so
it
was,
we
had
mapping
and
previously
lidar
mapping
came
in.
We
did
it
and
we
actually
lowered
the
floodplain
by
a
foot,
so
it
actually
unlocked
the
potential
for
a
bunch
of
properties
to
to
maybe
have
severance
Azure
whatnot
or
changed
the
regulation
on
the
road
in
terms
of
the
safe
access.
A
Thank
you,
sir
Lauren
I
have
a
question
being
asked
many
times,
so
we
do
this
matte
flood
mapping
and
we
ask
the
resident
to
comply
when
whatever
they
have
to
build
something.
But
what
about
the
municipality
when
their
infrastructure
does
not
meet
the
hundred-year
flood
or
the
hundred
and
ten
year
flood
like
some
of
the
roads
to
those
homes,
so
we're
asking
people
to
build,
hire
or
to
follow
their
the
elevation,
but
our
infrastructure
has
not
catch
up
yet.
So,
what's
your
what's
the
recommendation
of
the
conservation
for
those
area,
but.
D
A
A
The
city
or
the
municipality
itself,
when
their
infrastructure
does
not
meet
the
hundred-year
flood
or
the
hundred
and
ten
years
flood
is
there's
a
recommendation.
The
province
and
the
Fed
and
the
municipality
should
work
together
to
to
bring
that
infrastructure
to
the
lover
where,
because
people
protect
their
home,
but
they
cannot
get
to
their
home
during
the
flood.
So
what?
What?
What
is
what
we?
What
we
tell
those
people
that.
D
Moving
forward
that
we
will
that
the
city
will
follow
the
regulation
mapping
and
when
they
do
upgrades
and
improvements
to
the
properties,
they
will
consider
that
flood
plain
mapping
when
they're
doing
that
that
exercise,
but
in
terms
of
how
we
go
forward
with
things
that
are
already
built,
I,
don't
have
an
answer
to
that.
I'm
sorry
would.
A
A
I
You
mr.
chair,
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
ask
this
the
right
way
the
report
describes.
This
whole
process
is
a
partnership
between
the
city
and
the
conservation
authorities.
Its
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
it's
a
requirement
from
the
province,
though,
that
any
municipality
have
up-to-date
flood
mapping.
So
it's
a
province,
who's
saying
you
have
to
do
this.
That's
really.
The
genesis
of
this
whole
process
is
that
right,
yes,.
D
I
The
nature
of
the
province
is
it
that
it
is,
could
the
city
do
this
flood
mapping
on
our
own
in
hire
our
own
engineers
or
have
we
contracted
or
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
that
kind
of
the
nature
of
the
relationship
with
the
conservation
authorities?
Is
that
the
conservation
authorities
who
are
coming
to
the
city
and
saying
you
need
to
update
this
because
it's
good
for
conservation
or
is
it
more
the
city
who's
saying
we
need
to
have
an
accurate
floodplain
map?
Does
that
make
sense.
D
I
Okay,
that's
I
had
a
number
of
questions
my
colleagues
have
have
covered.
The
one
thing
I
wanted
to
suggest
to
staff
is,
if
it's
feasible,
I
think
would
be
useful
within
future
reports
that
come
to
these
committees
to
capture
in
greater
detail.
Some
of
the
specific
consultation
steps
you
know
for
the
Finlay
Creek
or
for
the
pool
Creek
or
the
carp
River,
here's
the
date
that
the
meeting
was
held.
Here's
how
many
people
came
to
it,
because
we
always
hear
this.