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Audit Committee meeting – June 14, 2018 – Audio Stream
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A
A
A
A
Ok,
we
can
now
go
through
the
agenda
item
1,
the
2017
city
of
our
law,
consolidated
financial
statements,
finance
staff
and
Ernst
&
Young
will
be
presenting.
So
let's
hold
that
item
item
number
2,
sinking,
fund
financial
statements,
I
believe
we
have
a
technical
amendment
that
will
be
then
a
cultural
element
on
item
1.
Ok,
sorry,
so
on
item
2.
Is
that
item
carry?
Does
this?
Okay?
A
A
C
C
B
C
C
C
C
C
The
city
is
netting
the
long
term,
receivable
related
to
light
rail
transit
with
the
long-term
debt
related
to
the
similar
project,
as
opposed
to
me,
2
million,
and
that
they
are
also
netting
the
interest,
income
and
interest
expense
of
5.5
million
in
the
current
year,
and
we
did
note
that
the
terms
are
identical
between
these
two
between
receivable
and
the
payroll
and
their
city
does
intend
to
settle.
So.
The
way
it's
presented.
C
We
look
at
there
couple
of
other
differences
that
were
identified,
one
related
to
accounts
payable
and
which
was
understated,
but
again
at
the
prior
years.
Various
events
and
all
other
differences
that
we
identified
were
collected
by
management
on
the
financial
statements.
I'll
just
note
as
well
there's
one
minor
change
to
the
financial
statements
as
a
result
of
our
ongoing
procedures.
C
It's
the
interest
payable
information,
that's
included
in
the
11c
of
the
financial
statements,
which
is
a
person
eight
states,
but
then
that
in
119
of
interest-
and
that's
not
actually
the
case-
there's
no
daddy
going
on
with
respect
to
that.
So
those
needs
met
for
the
hoods
that
will
be
removed
from
their
load
condition
to
actually
be
there.
So
it's
an
adjustment
that
we've
identified
as
a
result
of
our
ongoing
procedures.
A
C
B
B
C
Assemble
continue
in
the
future.
The
city
hadn't
actually
recorded
the
the
amount
so,
for
example,
the
indexation
on
the
city
of
superannuation
fund,
the
city
is
not
recording
that
liability
and
I
don't
believe
they
intended
to
going
forward
so
that
one
until
that
indexation
no
longer
in
this
fund,
because
either
the
legacy
pension
plan.
When
that
is
no
longer
around,
then
that
will
disappear.
Musta
liabilities
recorded
on
the
financial
statements
at
some
point
time
somewhere.
B
Along
the
line
we
all
separate
people
were
talking
about
a
surplus
here,
it's
not
a
surface
of
money
that
can
be
used
to
reduce
their
taxes,
and
if
it's
not
current,
that
kind
of
financial
auditing,
it
tells
all
the
valuations
of
things
in
it.
I
have
found
in
the
past
that
people
get
confused
by
that
we
got
same
thing
applied
to
Ottawa.
They
think
that
we
should
depending
back,
but
they
don't
realize
it's
not
quite
that
way,
because
their
statements
are
done.
Yeah.
B
C
C
Think
the
city
of
voters
entering
into
some
fairly
complex
agreements-
so
that's
where
we
see
is
about
it
emphasis
understanding.
Those
new
transaction
is
how
no
phase
to
get
some
pend
on
what
impact
that
may
have
on
financial
statements.
I
would
say:
that's
where
we
focus
our
primary
lot
of
evidence.
So
primary
audit
efforts
are
around
to
add
those
areas
where
you've
got
complex
transactions,
potentially
public-private
partnerships,
etcetera
where
even
a
piece
a
so
the
accounting
board
is
so
looking
at
accounting
standards
in
those
areas
of
all
means
the
area's.
A
Thank
You
vice
chair
contain
no
other
questions.
Okay,
did
you
good?
Okay?
Thank
you
both
for
your
presentations
appreciate
it.
So
is
this
item
k
and
before
you
answer,
please
note
that
the
changes
will
be
identified
by
way
of
a
motion
for
consideration
at
the
council
meeting
of
June
27,
so
motion
K.
Thank
you.
A
Okay.
Now,
moving
on
to
the
office
of
the
Auditor
General
report
on
other
follow-ups
and
related
reports,
the
Audit
Committee
will
recommend
the
counsel
that
we
receive
the
report
of
the
audit
follow-ups,
detailed
Auto
follow-up
reports
receive
and
approve
the
recommendations
and
review
of
the
source,
separated
organics
program
business
case
and
finally
receive
and
approve
the
recommendations
in
the
follow
up
to
the
2011
audit
of
contract
management
practices,
spring
hill
landfill
site
contract
and
additional
2018
audit
procedures.
A
A
A
Then
Allah
says
sir,
the
verify
gashel
the
butyl
does
that
ever
get
there
Jalil
respectfully
practicas
or
player
the
Auditor
General
in
conducting
our
audits
of
follows
best
practices
and
we
follow
the
best
practices
of
the
Institute
of
internal
auditors
and
the
own.
Our
own
City
of
Ottawa
audit
standards.
A
Approve
all
sir,
the
text
Shalini
they
no
place
apparent.
The
institute
developed,
a
fatty
liver
casts
Whakatane
Intel,
a
Zika
developed,
held
dois,
Institute
and
course
issued
this.
We
they
offend
the
survey,
the
aesthetically
measure
of
adoptive
Paulo
direction.
When
a
team
is
on
the.
If
you
can
smoke
a
processor,
the
the
verification
opener,
the
Atlas
hope
will
prove
a
pelican
say
or
wear
the
mildews.
The
Institute
of
internal
auditors
is
one
of
the
governor
bodies
that
guides
the
activities
of
auditors
worldwide.
A
They
indicate
that
auditors
must
establish
a
follow-up
process
to
monitor
and
ensure
that
management
actions
have
been
effectively
implemented
and
our
job
is
to
ensure
that
the
changes
that
were
recommended
and
accepted
by
management
and
approved
by
council
were
implemented.
The
procedures,
the
audit
procedures
and
standards
of
the
City
of
Ottawa
were
approved
by
council
in
June
of
2012
and
in
this
next
slide,
I
draw
your
attention
to
the
highlighted
text
where
it
indicates
that
the
Auditor
General
so
establish
such
protocols
and
procedures
that
are
necessary
for
the
conduct
of
such
all.
A
The
process
to
the
verification
oakum
put
kept
as
missions
easy
poor
enough,
as
discreetly
Kela
Delia
the
process
to
the
verification.
The
adequate
committee
will
remember
that
the
audit
process
has
four
phases.
The
initial
phase,
where
we
identify
the
risks
in
the
area
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at,
is
the
planning
phase.
A
What
the
Attic
need
to
remember
that,
there's
a
contract,
that's
developed
through
this
process.
We
provide
a
report
to
the
Audit.
Committee
management
agrees
with
those
recommendations.
The
Audit
Committee
then
sends
these
reports
to
Council
where
they
approved
and
at
that
point,
there's
a
contract
between
management
and
Council
to
make
good
on
the
the
recommendations
that
come
out
of
the
audit.
A
Result,
poorly
verification,
all
sold
Ahmir
immediately
the
practicas
issue
may
the
sweetie,
the
verification
permit.
The
failure
choir
sued
and
the
preview
pilot
with
actual
audits
themselves
are
meant
to
improve
management
practices
in
my
identify
possible
economies.
The
follow
up,
however,
really
identifies
management's
progress
on
the
resolution
to
the
problems.
A
I
can
confirm
that
management
is
continues
to
be
committed
to
the
audit
process
and
that
they
have
generally
addressed
issues
raised
by
our
audits
set
the
positive
in
Zika.
As
you
told
us,
really
develop
Cashel
he
the
butyl,
develop
division.
My
Casio,
the
recommendation
versus
category
is
presumed
Wassily.
A
Deposit
positive
source
of
April
saw
two
small
salt
canes
to
solve
this
directly
OH
salt
appliquéd,
the
only
VAP
we
assess
the
the
results
of
her
follow
ups
with
six
categories
and
the
categories
range
from
complete,
which
is
obviously
what
what
every
well
wishes
to
see
through
to
partially
complete,
not
started
in
some
instances
were
not
able
to
make
an
assessment
at
all
and
sometimes
because
of
of
changes.
The
recommendations
are
no
longer
longer
and
in
other
cases
we
identify
issues
that
we
will
add
to
a
future
audit.
A
So
mr.
chair,
as
we
turn
to
the
specific,
follow
ups
insults,
I
can
tell
you
that
these
first
four
audits
demonstrated
good
progress.
35
of
the
44
recommendations
were
fully
implemented
and
we
have
no
specific
comments
to
make
on
on
those
audits,
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
now
to
Deputy
Auditor
General
Levin
at
minor,
who
will
begin
what
to
follow
up
on
infrastructure
services.
B
Thank
you.
We
follow
up
on
for
audits
and
one
independent
review.
They
were
all
related
and
that
they
dealt
primarily
with
infrastructure
services.
Branch
formerly
used
to
be
a
department
sees
B
is
D,
so
it's
either
is
B
or
is
D
I
want
to
point
out
that
the
independent
review
of
the
airport,
Parkway,
pedestrian
and
cycling
bridge
was
not
conducted
by
the
OAG,
however,
in
2014
fed
Colossus
to
follow
up
on
the
recommendations
that
that
were
made.
B
We
also
assessed
17
recommendations
or
35%
as
being
partially
implemented
now,
implementing
only
partially
implementing
roughly
a
third
of
the
recommendations
could
suggest
a
lack
of
Tisha
sufficient
attention
to
these
recommendations.
However,
once
rested,
that
was
not
the
case.
Here
is
B,
as
brought
in
on
a
new
project
management
approach
with
that
new
software
to
support
their
project
management
approach,
and
we
recognize
that
that's
a
significant
undertaking.
The
new
project
management
system,
which
they
refer
to
as
vision,
was
not
yet
implemented
in
March
2018.
When
we
conducted
our
follow-up.
B
This
resulted
in
a
lot
of
the
recommendations
being
assessed
as
partially
implemented.
We
needed
to
see
that
the
systems
actually
functioning
as
intended
before
we
could
confirm
that
ahead
and
the
recommendations
had
been
fully
implemented
since
the
system.
Since
then,
the
system
has
gone
online
and
we
expected
most
of
the
partially
completed
recommendations
will
be
fully
implemented
once
the
vision
system
becomes
fully
operational.
A
Anybody
have
any
questions
on
the
infrastructure
services
the
follow
ups
I'll
just
answer.
One
question:
on
the
follow-up
to
the
specific
area:
CISD
says
that
you've
reached
out
to
five
municipalities
to
see
the
what
the
prices
are,
that
they're
paying
for
asphalt
and
what
have
you
seen
so
far
from
them?
Are
we
paying
more
or
about
the
same?
B
B
A
Would
hope
we
could
get
some
more
so
what
I'm
going
to
ask
if
we
can
do
it?
As
you
continue
your
efforts,
would
it
be
possible
that
the
Auditor
General's
Office
could
reach
out
to
your
counterparts
and
other
municipalities
and
see
if
they
have
any
of
that
information
that
we
could
work
with
South
and
come
up
with
some
sort
of
a
comparison
and
what
what
we're
doing
for
costs
from
Solon
would
ask
for
mr.
chair,
we
can
certainly
do
that.
Thank
you.
Okay,
thank
you
on
the
Londo
nets
on
it.
Thank
you.
B
B
The
community
were
called
it
in
in
2014,
the
community
provided
direction
to
the
Auditor
General
to
review
management's
analysis
of
the
potential
changes
to
the
order,
world
contract
and
community,
we'll
also
a
call
that
we
provided
a
verbal
debriefing
on
this
work
to
the
Environment
and
climate
change,
climate
protection
community.
Roughly
two
and
a
half
months
ago,
on
March
26th.
At
that
meeting,
we
promised
that
our
report
was
to
fall
and
our
written
report
on
this
work
is
included
here
today.
B
B
A
B
The
analysis
was
done
and
we
reviewed
it
and
it
was.
It
was
not
cost-efficient
that
the
piece
on
what
we
saw
to
make
that
change,
but
we
would
have
expected
that
information
being
fully
disclosed
and
brought
out
in
in
the
business
case
of
the
brought
to
Council.
That
was
one
item
that
was
not
for
year,
for
you
implemented
and.
A
B
The
third
speaker
to
mention
on
staffs
behalf:
he
obviously
was
it-
was
such
a.
It
was
so
clear
that
they
didn't
vote
it.
The
issue.
The
collection
costs,
are
really
what
very
significant
costs
in
the
process
and
that
the
change
in
collection
costs
would
more
than
offset
any
any
change
in
processing,
and
so
in
their
mind
it
was
so
obvious.
It
didn't
have
to
be
brought
forward.
In
our
view,
it
should
have
been
brought
forward
anyway.
Alright.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
mr.
chair
mr.
chair.
As
the
as
time
goes
on
and
as
the
the
various
collection
contracts
open
up
it,
it
would
be
beneficial
for
staff
to
continue
to
address
that
that
issue
from
time
to
time
when
they
have
an
opportunity
make
to
make
changes
as
the
various
contracts
open
up
in
future.
B
Early
I
guess
this
question
might
be
to
to
management
recommendation
number
one
is
that
the
city
continually
challenge
the
consultants,
statements
and
assumptions,
and-
and
we've
seen
this
before
it
speaks
to
contract
management
and
the
response
to
the
recommendation
is
yes,
but
can
we
what
specific
steps
from
management
are
we
doing
to
make
sure
that
we
are?
We
are
challenging
those
those
assumptions
and
ensuring
ensuring
the
good
administration
of
our
contracts.
A
chair
of
management
is
following
the
best
practices
of
contract
management
now,
as
set
out
by
supply
services.
B
So
I
think
that's
a
good
step
forward.
Also,
we
do
rely
on
the
expertise
in
this
case
of
qualified
engineers
and
in
future,
we'll
keep
a
more
regular
oversight,
specifically
not
just
the
project,
manager
and
I
think
the
auditor
did
find
that
the
project
manager
had
a
fairly
good
oversight
of
the
of
the
the
modeling
that
the
consultant
was
doing,
but
more
of
senior
management
to
make
sure
that
we
have
over
better
oversight
of
the
work,
that's
being
done
at
the
project
management
level.
B
What
it
speaks
to
the
the
work
of
undertaken
by
Gillen,
and
can
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
what
their
involvement
will
be
and
specifically
to
this
contract,
the
source
separated
organics
or
is
it
generally
across
project
management
in
the
city
share
the
work
from
Dylan
on
this
project
is
completed.
Now
it
was
an
evaluation
of
tonnage,
is
going
forward
in
the
future.
I
will
say
over
that
piece.
B
My
final
comment
related
to
that
question
is
simply
to
I
hope
that
the
city
receives
that
recommendation,
not
only
for
this
contract
but
generally
with
consultants,
and
that
we
examine
that
we
challenge
to
ensure
that
moving
forward
on
every
project,
we
are
aware
we
are
as
efficient
and
effective
as
possible.
Yes,
Sharon
I
think
that
is
the
crux
of
the
guidelines
as
set
out
by
Supply
Management.
A
You
Celtic
Luce
I
just
have
to
make
an
observation
here
that
this
is
a
follow
up
to
the
the
audit
of
the
separated
organics
contract.
That
I
think
most
counselors
would
agree
that
original
audit
audit
generated
the
most
letters
and
comments
from
residents
in
our
wards
and
it's
kudos
to
the
Auditor
General
and
his
team
for
really
taking
the
lid
off
that
garbage
can
and
coming
up
with
a
lot
of
good
recommendations
and
kudos
to
mr.
Wylie
and
mr.
A
Kent
Marcus
for
city
staff's
effort
to
bring
us
to
the
point
where
I
hope,
I,
don't
jinx.
You
guys
with
this
comment,
but
I
doubt
that
this
is
going
to
be
the
leading
story
on
the
news
tonight.
That's
how
far
we've
come
with
this
and
I
think
most
people
from
what
I'm
hearing
in
the
community
really
like
the
recommendations
and
the
way
forward
that
you've
worked
out
leading
out
of
this
audit.
So
I
want
to
thank
everybody
involved
for
that.
Okay,
that
said,
I
got
that
off
my
chest.
Go
ahead.
A
Mineral
park
deposit,
of
course,
developer,
can
show
minion
origin
or
dividends,
Masaki,
Cal,
salary,
protected,
Jesse,
OH
capella,
who
later
shown
spring
yellow
rays
or
bendable
the
other.
Our
committee
will
recall
that
the
original
2011
audit
of
contract
management
practices
for
the
Spring
Hill
landfill
was
not
tabled
by
the
Auditor
General
because
of
the
arbitration
given
by
the
considerable
amount
of
time
has
passed
since
the
original
audit.
A
In
addition
to
following
up
to
the
2011
audit
recommendations,
we
performed
additional
audit
procedures
in
2017
and
2018
to
bring
me
on
it
up
to
date,
these
procedures
included
an
assessment
of
whether
the
city
has
been
effectively
and
efficiently
managing
the
Spring
Hill
landfill
site
agreement.
To
date,
an
examination
of
a
financial
impact
of
the
environmental
contamination
closure
and
post
closure
costs
on
the
city.
I'd
now
like
to
turn
the
mic
over
to
deputy
Otto
DLL
Sonia
Vernon.
C
Good
morning,
mr.
chair
and
committee
I'll
start
with
a
quick
overview
of
the
timeline,
as
you
can
see
it's
over
20
years.
So
there
are
a
number
of
key
points
that
we
wanted
to
remind
refresh
inform.
Then
we
will
discuss
the
overview.
The
original
audit
findings,
those
recommendations,
emember,
will
review
the
the
current
work
that
we
did,
the
additional
audit
procedures.
We
did
to
vary
everything
up
to
date,
following
that
there
will
be
the
in-camera
portion
where
we
were
unable
to
discuss
the
details
of
the
arbitration
agreement
because
of
the
confidential
confidentiality
order.
C
C
This
agreement
between
the
two
parties
was
effective
until
the
landfill
reaches
its
capacity,
the
city
can
dump
all
residual
waste
sourced
in
the
geographic
area
of
the
former
township
of
Osgood
free
of
charge
Tomlinson.
As
the
manager
can
said,
dumping
fees
say
it's
discretion
at
prevailing
rates,
they're
also
responsible
for
all
policy
decisions
related
to
daily
operations
in
2000.
There
was
an
amendment
to
this
agreement.
The
key
aspect
of
this
amendment
I,
want
to
bring
to
your
attention
is
that
it
allowed
for
additional
financial
credit
to
Tomlinson,
depending
on
total
tonnage
received
from
municipal
collection.
C
The
city
has
received
40%
of
net
profits
as
a
royalty
payment,
and
the
other
key
elements
of
the
agreement
I
want
to
bring
to
your
attention
is
the
project
reserve
fund
in
the
agreement
states
of
the
fund
was
to
reach
a
total
of
a
million
dollars
at
the
end
of
30
years.
It
was
funded
on
an
annual
schedule
and
is
still
being
done
so
bye-bye
Tomlinson.
C
Subsequently
in
1998,
a
lease
was
entered
into
between
the
former
city,
the
former
township
of
Osgood
and
Tomlinson,
and
this
allowed
aanenson
to
operate
a
construction
and
demolition
waste
recycling
facility
on
the
landfill
site.
The
expiry
date
of
the
lease
is
2018
later
this
year.
The
lease
had
no
cost
to
it.
So
there
was
no
monies
received
by
the
city
for
this
lease.
C
Again,
this
agreement
was
also
inherited
by
the
City
of
Ottawa
aquatic
nation.
The
lease
essentially
outlines
the
respective
rights
of
each
party,
while
the
facilities
operating
the
CID
facility
collects
process
and
recycles
construction
materials.
It's
a
twenty
term
lease.
It
can
be
terminated
earlier
if
the
overall
agreement
is
terminated
before
that
time,
any
residual
waste
or
unrecyclable
material
that
the
say
the
facility
produces,
is
disposed
of
in
the
landfill,
at
no
additional
cost
and
in
the
final
term
of
the
agreement.
C
Relations
between
the
city
of
Tomlinson
have
been
difficult
since
amalgamation.
This
led
to
an
arbitration
process
that
took
place
in
2009.
The
arbitration
was
completed
in
2010.
A
payment
was
not
agreed
upon
until
2016
and
the
city
received
payment
last
month,
so
it
was
two
years
after
the
agreement
to
the
piece
next
light.
C
The
agreement
did
stipulate
that
accounting
records
and
this
information
was
to
be
provided
to
the
city
selectively.
Relation
has
been
provided
by
Tomlinson,
such
as
audited
financial
statements,
but
a
significant
number
of
requirements
have
not
been
met.
Over
the
years.
City
staff
has
not
been
presented
with
sufficient
information
to
assess
the
operations
and
therefore
have
never
been
able
to
determine
the
adequacy
of
the
royalty
payments.
C
The
original
audit
also
found
that
the
city
needed
to
be
more
proactive
in
contract
oversight
and
monitor
Tomlinson's
compliance
with
the
management
agreement.
We
found
the
same
issue
with
respect
to
contract
oversight
and
are
updated
work.
I
would
like
to
note
that
we
did
notice
an
improvement
in
contract
oversight
which
began
in
2014
for
recommendations
were
made
in
the
original
report.
These
were
related
to
acting
upon
the
arbitration
outcomes,
updating
counsel
with
information
or
improving
contract
oversight
and
dispute
management.
All
four
recommendations
were
assessed
to
be
partially
completed.
C
So,
as
we
noted
earlier,
we
performed
additional
procedures
to
bring
a
circulation
up-to-date
to
look
at
the
interim
period
since
2011
in
terms
of
the
contract
oversight.
So
we
assess
how
the
city
was
was
managing
the
contract.
We
also
assessed
the
financial
impact
of
the
environmental
contamination
which
we'll
talk
about
further,
as
well
as
the
closure
of
post
closure
cost
to
the
city.
C
Respect
to
the
areas
of
governance,
a
contract
management
that
we
looked
at,
we
found
that
there's
been
a
high
turnover
of
staff
on
this
honest
project.
In
addition,
during
periods
of
staff
transition
we
found
there
was
poor
handover
files
and
information
from
person
to
person
in
Airport.
We
state
that
when
we
requested
me
two
minutes
and
copies
of
notes
kept
by
contract
managers
for
their
dealings
with
Tomlinson
during
a
period
of
2010
to
2014,
nine
could
be
none
could
be
provided.
C
The
committee
should
know
that
a
few
days
ago,
to
the
credit
management
told
us
that
they
have
found
some
files
from
this
period.
This
example
demonstrates
the
importance
of
ensuring
that
all
files
and
documentation
and
information,
especially
for
contract
management,
that
they
are
adequately
handed
over
when
key
staff
transitions,
occur.
C
Difficulties
in
obtaining
information
through
Tomlinson
has
been
an
ongoing
theme
throughout
the
life
of
this
arrangement,
despite
efforts
made
by
the
program
coordinator
by
finance
staff
and
numerous
city
requests
for
information,
they
have
largely
gone
unanswered
by
Tomlinson
or
select,
information
will
be
provided
that
was
insufficient
for
of
analysis
and
insurance.
That
management
was
trying
to
obtain.
C
We
believe
that
we're
senior
management
involvement
and
engagement,
illegal
involvement
earlier
may
have
compelled
Tomlinson
to
provide
the
city
with
the
information
needed
to
manage
his
contract
effectively.
This
was
also
recommended
the
original
audit
and
twenty
of
them
over
all
the
way.
The
agreement
was
structured,
the
scape
Tomlinson
for
control
of
the
day-to-day
operations
and
policy
decisions.
This
led
to
Tomlinson
making
decisions
about
Spring
Hill
without
having
to
consult
the
city.
Often
these
decisions
benefited
Tomlinson
related
companies.
C
The
other
element
that
has
was
very
evident
for
us
was
the
concerns
around
the
the
costs,
so
there
were
chargeable
and
non-chargeable
costs
outlined
in
the
agreement
that
could
be
deducted
to
determine
that
income,
which
which
impacts
the
royalty
of
the
city
receives.
The
city,
has
never
has
literally
never
received
enough
information
to
determine
whether
costs
that
should
not
be
charged
were
not.
This
information
was
just
not
provided
and
that
that
that
could
that's
still
an
unknown
in
2015,
more
than
50,000
tons
of
cmd'
facility
waste
was
deposited
in
the
landfill
for
free
and
again.
C
Although
the
agreement
itself
restricts
the
service
area
of
the
landfill
to
the
former
township
of
Osgood,
any
material,
that's
received
by
the
C&D
facility
that
regional
area
is
extended
to
all
of
Eastern
Ontario,
as
well
as
the
eua
region.
Any
of
the
material
that
goes
through
that
facility
can
then
be
deposited
into
the
landfill.
C
C
With
respect
to
insurance,
the
agreement
has
a
requirement
for
insurance,
the
detailed
requirements
of
what
the
insurance
was
required
to
cover
and
the
terms
of
that
insurance
were
a
referral
agreement
under
a
separate
schedule,
schedule
II.
We
were
able
to
able
to
receive
a
copy
of
Schedule
E.
It
can't
be
found
up
until
this
far
as
far
as
we
know,
it
still
cannot
be
found.
So
the
city
is
unaware
of
whether
or
not
over
the
course
of
the
agreement
that
insurance
complied
was
purchased
by
Tomlinson
and
would
have
been
in
compliance
with
the
original
agreement.
C
C
C
There
was
an
unforeseen
impact
of
the
2020
time
daily
limit
approximately
62
thousand
times
a
year,
which
was
far
beyond
the
projected
original
capacity
of
70
400
tons
per
year
from
the
former
township
of
Osgood.
This,
combined
with
the
operation
of
the
CID
facility,
is
leading
to
a
fill
rate
of
approximately
seven
times.
That
was
what
was
originally
forecasted
for
the
site.
C
There's
significant
issues
of
employment
of
contamination
identified
by
the
Ministry
of
the
Environment
of
Ontario.
They
identified
significant
groundwater
and
surface
water
issues.
They
described
it
as
one
of
the
worst
in
Eastern
Ontario.
This
environmental
contamination
is
impacting
provincial
insignificant,
went
by
and
surrounds
the
landfill,
specifically
each
eight
impacting
groundwater
is
migrating
from
landfill
to
neighboring
properties.
In
interacting
with
surface
water
outside
of
the
landfill,
the
city
is
the
owner
of
the
landfill
ECA.
C
This
does
not
include
any
ongoing
operating
costs,
which
would
extend
for
considerable
amount
of
years
that
information
is
being
worked
on
by
engineering
consultants
and
will
be,
as
we
understand
will
be
further
determined
later
this
year,
Tomlinson
had
proposed
at
that
time.
They
were
not
in
agreement
with
the
city's
plan.
C
They
have
proposed
her
to
an
alternative
plan
to
implement
a
purge
wall
system,
to
move
the
contaminated
groundwater
away
from
the
wetland
and
onto
surrounding
property
owned
by
Tomlinson,
and
they
would
have
and
proposed
that
the
city
purchased
this
land
from
Tomlinson
as
the
owners
properties
adjacent
to
the
landfill
the
state.
The
city
has
stated
at
the
time
that
it
did
not
have
an
interest
in
that
plan.
While
the
city's
plan
requires
a
larger
upfront
capital
cost,
future
operating
costs
would
be
lower
and
it's
also
a
better
solution
for
the
environment.
C
In
contrast,
the
original
proposed
plan
by
Tomlinson
requires
a
smaller
upfront
capital
investment
that
requires
much
higher
future
operating
costs.
That
would
be
borne
entirely
by
the
city
once
the
landfill
is
closed.
Once
the
city's
plan
is
approved
by
the
ministry
later
this
year.
The
next
step
would
be
to
determine
who
will
pay
for
those
costs.
A
A
The
relationship
between
the
contractor
in
the
city
were
was
so
troubled
with
requests
for
information
going
unanswered.
For
many
many
years
we
were
recommending
that
the
city
evaluate
under
the
procurement
by
law,
whether
Tomlinson
is
a
good
business
partner
for
this
project
and
for
future
endeavors
and
I
assure
you
that
that
a
lot
of
thought
was
put
into
this
recommendation
because
of
its
its
seriousness.
A
Now
we
understand,
within
the
last
48
hours,
there's
been
some
some
discussions
between
Tomlinson
and
the
city
and
that's
that's
important
and
that's
reassuring,
but
nevertheless
we
in
in
light
of
those
discussions,
we
believe
the
city
should
move
quickly
to
resolve
the
problems
with
this
relationship,
while
continuing
to
consider
whether
Tomlinson
is
a
good
business
partner
for
this
project
and
for
future
endeavors.
Now
to
finish,
management
agreed
with
all
16
recommendations
that
that
were
in
this
report
and
then
before
going
on
camera
I
had
asked
the
chair.
A
If
there's
any
any
questions
concerning
the
he'll
follow
upward
the
addition,
a
lot
of
procedures
that
we
conducted
Thank
You
mr.
general,
we're
going
to
go
to
the
delegations
of
public
delegations
before
we
go
to
questions
if
that's
okay,
because
it's
just
one
registered
I
just
would
like
to
follow
up
on
what
you
just
said
about
recent
developments
and
so
on.
A
I
think
it's
important
that
we
put
on
the
record
here
before
we
get
into
this,
that
the
as
you
aligned
in
your
audit
that
the
city
inherited
this
agreement
by
the
operation
of
the
Spring
Hill
landfill
from
the
former
Oscar
Township
municipal
amalgamation.
It's
also
important
to
note
that
the
city
acknowledges
the
agreement
with
Donelson
waste
management
to
operate.
A
A
Now,
while
we
will
now
just
before
we
go
in
to
ask
in
these
tough
questions
on
the
audit
and
the
findings,
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
and
thank
you,
the
Auditor
General,
for
your
work
on
this
and
your
team
and
I
believe
it's
one
of
the
best
auditors
come
out
of
your
shop
yet
for
the
benefit
of
taxpayers.
I
think
it's
also
important
that
we
acknowledge
the
general
manager
Kevin
Wylie,
as
efforts
as
well
city
manager,
Steve
Caracas,
for
their
efforts
to
resolve
this
matter
in
the
interest
of
taxpayer.
So
thank
you
now.
A
A
Mr.
chair,
it
takes
quite
a
bit
to
get
a
a
grumpy
old
economist
under
this
house
early
in
the
morning
and
take
OC
transport
accompany,
but
when
I
knew
that
mr.
Hughes
was
going
to
be
here,
I
couldn't
miss
it
and
I'm
really
I've
really
been
kind
of
interested
in
the
spring
Gale
issue
for
a
long
time
tried
to
get
information
on
it
stonewalled
at
every
step
by
various
for
various
reasons.
Many
of
them
quite
legitimate
and
I
must
commend
mr.
A
Hughes
for
all
of
his
work
and
staffs
work
on
us,
but
if
I'm
shaking
it's
not
because
I'm
nervous
I'm
just
so
shocked
to
hear
all
of
the
details
today,
it
is
just
really
quite
amazing
and
I
have
a
defibrillator
here.
So
if
I
fell
over
on
the
floor,
it's
because
I'm
still
so
excited
about
hearing
all
of
these
things.
I
guess
I
had
a
lot
of
questions,
but
it's
it's
really
looking
back
at
this.
A
I
was
particularly
puzzled
that
some
of
the
numbers,
because
it
seemed
to
me
that
if
the
city
had
actually
been
able
to
act
and
sell
this
useless
asset
because
it
had
nothing
to
do
with
the
city's
waste
management
priorities,
the
city
is
not
involved
in
C
and
D.
If
that
asset
had
been
put
up
for
auction
and
sold,
we
would
have
made
money.
A
So
I
guess.
My
bottom
line
is
I'm,
really
appreciate
that
someone
has
has
taken
this
this
whole
matter
quite
seriously
and
I'm
glad
that
the
committee
is
looking
at
it,
but
I
think
more
work
needs
to
be
done,
particularly
on
issues
relating
to
the
environmental
liability.
If
we
look
at
that
point
million
dollar
fund,
it's
pretty
obvious
that
the
money
that
has
been
set
aside
is
nowhere
near
enough
to
fix
the
problem,
and
it
seems
unreasonable
that
the
city
would
then
end
up
footing
the
bill
for
things
that
happen
at
that
site.
A
That
probably
shouldn't
have
happened.
So
that's
how
I
have
to
say.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
domes
I
think
council
welcome
signs
of
cost
imported
by
this
first
one
acknowledged
and
thank
you
for
acknowledging
that
this
is
transparency
at
its
best
for
the
taxpayer
and
not
the
worst
for
the
city.
These
are
things
that
nobody
likes
to
put
on
the
table,
but
thanks
to
the
Auditor
General
and
the
function
of
the
audit,
we
do
we
are
very
transparent.
A
B
A
Done
coordinate,
it
was
I
can
actually
give
you
a
copy.
Well,
I
can
talk
tomorrow
about
okay,
well,
it's
called
private
and
public
partnerships
and
assistance.
Small
municipalities
to
participate
and
I
was
very,
very
impressed
with
the
quality
of
what
she
did.
It
was
went
and
was
was
released
in
a
journal
called
PC
EE,
and
she
goes
into
considerable
detail
on
exactly
some
of
the
some
of
the
problems
and
mechanism
both
of
mentor.
Does
that
include
this
specific
project?
A
Oh
absolutely,
absolutely
it
goes
into
great
detail
on
this
particular
project
and
some
of
the
comments
that
she
made
were
to
the
effect
the
way
in
which
the
relationship
developed
between
Tomlinson
and
ended
and
the
city,
the
previous
city,
but
certainly
that
this,
the
City
of
Ottawa
in
terms
of
asking
for
things
from
the
city.
If
you
look
at
the.
A
Arbitration
that
one
of
the
key
items
seem
to
be
asking
the
city
to
support
the
expansion
of
the
landfill
site.
That's
rather
like
a
tenant
coming
to
you
and
telling
you
as
owner.
We
want
you
to
add
three
extra
bedrooms
on
to
this
house
of
and
currently
renting.
That's
that's
a
bit
above
and
beyond
what
people
normally
expect
between
a
tenant
and
the
landlord.
So.
A
B
You
would
be
useful
would
agree
to
actually
see
it
together
serve
a
better
understanding
of
the
whole
history
behind
this
area's
history,
and
we
have
to
look
at
what
we
have
today
and
try
to
fix
up.
But
knowing
that
may
help
to
inform
us
some
prints
as
well.
Well,
I,
don't
know
you
can
send
your
copy
of
mr.
that
bill
at
BabyCenter
I'm
not
trying
to
copy
through
the
past
Ferguson's.
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
bringing
that
forward,
because
I
think
it
you
know,
that's
a
no
we're
just
started.
A
Think
there's
an
old
expression
to
the
things
ill
begun
began
near
in
well.
This
is
clearly
something
that
that
started
in
kind
of
a
crisis
situation
in
in
the
town
of
the
town
prospect,
and
then
the
contract
was
set
up
and
Rondon
took
a
couple
of
years.
I
searched
the
City
of
Ottawa
website
for
background
material
on
Osgood,
and
it
was
away
in
the
archives,
couldn't
find
it
anywhere
on
the
website.
So
I
had
to
go
to
the
arts,
archives
and
I.
Guess.
A
One
of
the
things
that
I
found
most
interesting
is
that
there
was
a
lot
of
handwritten
stuff
in
pencil
on
the
original
council
minutes
about
how
the
the
payments
were
going
to
be
calculated,
and
it
seemed
of
taken
about
two
or
three
years
before
anybody
actually
even
specified
a
sample
calculation
of
how
the
city's
revenues
were
going
to
be
calculated.
So
it
certainly
was
a
bit
of
a
haphazard
job
that
was
put
together
and
the
city
inherited
that
problem
and
just
tried
to
do
their
best
with
it.
A
A
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that
and
your
engagement
on
this
and
you
do
not
allow
to
ask
questions,
but
you
raise
the
question
I'm,
looking
at
legal
as
I
make
this
comment,
and-
and
maybe
we
go
at
some
point-
could
comment
on
this,
but
mr.
Tom's
raised
the
issue
of
going
forward.
What
can
and
cannot
be
released
under
the
under
the
act
in
relation
to
the
further
information
we're
going
to
get
I
don't
know
mr.
chair,
if
it's
appropriate
time.
The
comment
on
that
now
well,
mr.
A
Mr.
chair
certainly
aware
of
the
inquiries
from
mr.
Thomson,
we've
discussed
this.
As
you
may
know,
the
original
arbitration
award
was
marked
confidential
by
the
arbitrator
in
order
to
protect
the
commercial
information
of
third
parties
that
gave
evidence
immediately
after
he
ordered
the
city
pursued
having
it
that
confidentiality
marking
removed
the
arbitrator
declined
now.
The
city
continues
to
this
day
to
pursue
having
that
that
order
now
vacated
and
heard.
A
Frankly,
as
as
late
as
last
week
from
the
arbitrator
that
to
date,
he
wrote
he's
going
to
produce
himself
in
that
process
and
will
pursue
that
through
whatever
means,
whether
it
be
another
law
of
a
traitor
or
injury,
a
court
application
take
for
that
qualification,
I
hope
that
helps
answer
your
question:
Thank
You,
curves
rate
cuts
orders.
Thank
you
just
I
want
to
comment.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
A
Holmes
and
I
know
that
you
gave
me
lots
of
background
and
this
inherited
issue
of
a
file
that
I
received
and
I
know
you
my
office
multiple
time
and
I
hope.
Today
you
get
your
answers
and
thank
you
for
for
you
being
patient
without.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Mr.
Thompson
thank
you
can
seduce
so
we'll
go
to
questions
now.
First,
output
for
the
Auditor
General
Counsel's
into
and
then
followed
by
counselor
degrees
and
counsel
wilkinson.
A
Thank
you,
Thank
You,
mr.
chair
and
now
to
the
other
general.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
blaming
this
five
forward
will
only
been
asking
for
since
2007
that's
the
record
as
that's
the
time
when
the
landfilling
cops
started,
getting
some
media
attention.
So
we
want
to
visit
this
side
and
yes,
staff
at
the
time
some
question
and
it
took
us
one
day,
11
years
to
get
them
and
it's
no
fault
of
you
or
anyone.
Unfortunately,
this
is
one
that
which
is
her
from
legal.
A
I'm
not
I'm,
not
sure
how
to
describe
even
in
there
in
the
previous
township
of
Oscars
we'll
do
a
contract.
We
skew
toward
the
benefit.
After
of
the
company
against
the
taxpayer.
To
the
life
of
me,
I
cannot
beg
justice.
It's
almost
like
the
one
thing
was
missing,
given
can
be
with
that
contract
and
maybe
the
township
should
offer
can
be
eliminate
after
this
sign
stupid
contract
like
this,
but
nevertheless
it's
been
sign
has
been
banned,
but
I
have
a
problem.
A
With
few
years
ago
we
came
here
on
corporate
echo
committee
and
we
talked
to
staff
and
we
asked
staff
if
a
company
is
not
compliant
with
the
city
and
believe
jobs
unfinish
behind
what
is
the
consequences
of
that
and
I
do
believe
at
the
time
was
council
growers
who
put
this
motion
on
the
floor
and
I
would
likely
go
to
make
comment
about
this.
What
is
the
policy
on
company
did
not
fulfill
their
commitment
when
they
have
contract
with
the
city.
A
A
Business
for
a
period
of
time,
and
that
would
involve
an
assessment
by
the
chief
procurement
officer
in
consultation
with
the
city,
clerk
and
solicitor
of
the
overall
performance.
There
is
also
provision-
and
this
may
be
what
the
counselor
is
referring
to
to
an
additional
clause
which
allows
the
city
to
reject
an
individual
bid
of
a
proponent
on
a
go-forward
basis
based
on
what's
called
the
litigation.
It's
we're.
A
Certainly
the
past
history
with
the
contractor
demonstrates
that
the
actual
cost
of
doing
business
with
them
may
be
inflated
by
the
virtue
of
the
fact
that
the
city
is
going
to
have
to
be
involved
in
litigation
with
them.
So
you
have
one
piece
that
deals
with
past
performance
and
you
have
another
that
deals
with
involvement
in
litigation.
One
one
addresses
essentially
all
bids,
the
other.
The
litigation
exclusion
applies
to
an
individual
bid
on
a
prospective
basis,
I
Pettus
not
to
go
through
numbers
because
we're
going
too
late
to
go.
In-Camera.
My
question
to
you.
Mr.
A
Roy,
through
the
chair,
how'd,
the
chief
procurement
officer,
ever
pulled
that
card
against
that
company
see
that
company
has
not
comply
with
the
city
according
to
our
other
tier
in
the
last
eight
years.
So
in
the
last
eight
years
has
that
company
still
doing
business
as
usual
with
the
city,
yes
or
no
it'd
be
great,
and
mr.
chair
I
will
not
be
able
to
give
a
yes
or
no,
but
the
chief
procurement
officer
is
coming
down
to
speak
to
that
very
issue
right
now.
Okay,.
B
A
Recently
they
have
begun
cooperating
and
our
expectation
is
they
will
continue
to
cooperate.
Any
additional
action.
That's
required
under
these
provisions
of
the
bylaw,
will
be
based
on
the
assessment
of
their
ongoing
success.
Were
you?
Would
you
inform
by
the
city
staff
in
the
last
eight
years?
Paulson
has
not
been
a
the
city
of
diamond
has
not
cooperated.
Have
you
been
informed
about
this?
Yes,
mr.
chair,
most
recently,
I
have
been
engaged
on
this
while
to
address.
A
Took
you
eight
years
to
get
engaged
in
this?
Excuse
me,
sir.
Why
took
eight
years
to
get
engage
about
this,
because
in
the
last
eight
years
we
haven't
received
any
cooperation
according
to
the
report
from
Thomason?
What
took
you
the
eight
years
to
comply,
or
at
least
force
them
to
comply,
or
if
you
want
to
wait
till
we
go
on
camera,
because
there
is
not
a
question
here.
I
think
the
public
need
to
notice.
B
Mr.
chair
I
think
if
I
can
categorize
that
we
were
in
arbitration
up
to
about
2016,
so
we
were
fighting
on
on
that
front
and
trying
to
get
a
LT
payments,
etc
and
financial
details
through
the
arbitration
process.
As
you
heard
from
the
Auditor
General,
his
findings
were.
The
contract
was
well
managed
since
2014,
under
the
current
contract
manager
and
director,
and
really.
B
Despite
repeated
requests
for
this
type
of
information,
I
think
we
exhausted
all
avenues
and
going
to
the
chief
procurement
officer
and
the
city
treasurer
based
on
the
broader
procurement
that
Tomlinson
does
where
the
city
was
really
the
last
resort
and-
and
we
didn't
act
that
this
year
and
it
has
gotten
some
results
from
Tomlinson.
Finally,
so
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
linear
way
things
happen.
We
were
really
in
arbitration
and
hopeful
about
that
arbitration
and
I.
A
I'm,
seeing
mr.
chair
and
I
know
if
he
can
help
me
to
understand
there,
so
if
in
2016
the
final
arbitration
come
up
so
that's
two
years
ago,
and
you
know
promising
group
of
company
will
out
of
business
with
the
city,
I
don't
know
percentage-wise,
but
I
mean
that
one
of
the
large
company
in
our
city
and
do
business
with
us
and
according
to
our
own
bylaws,
if
company
doesn't
comply
with
the
city,
we
have
that
tool
to
bang
them
from
veteran
on
contract
law
has
not
been
activated.
That
section,
which
is
read
by
mr.
A
A
A
B
A
B
Bardo
on
answer:
okay,
there
was
ongoing
discussion
with
Thomas's.
We
were
getting
the
cooperation
quite
frank.
We
should
have
probably
pulled
that
trigger
sooner
than
later,
there's
a
two-year
period
where
I
think
staff.
Generally,
we
try
to
work
with
companies.
Thomas
and,
as
you
said,
is
a
large
company
in
this.
In
this
community
they
do
a
significant
amount
of
business
of
the
city
as
a
chief
procurement
officer,
States,
their
work
is
generally
fine.
We
have
one
source
park
here
with
Tom
Wilson,
which
is
this
particular
file,
and
we
keep
working
declined
a
resolution.
B
If
I
was
to
look
at
it
again
from
after
we
settled
the
arbitration.
What
happened
we
would
have
went
sooner
to
try
and
get
triggered
I
think
I
would
have
got
involved
sooner
myself.
I
was
hopeful
that
we
would
try
to
reach
some
resolution.
We
didn't
until,
quite
frankly,
the
Auditor
General
got
involved
in
the
file,
and
we
saw
another
path
in
terms
of
getting
more
aggressive
with
getting
the
information
that
we
needed.
A
Mr.
chair
there's
a
lot
of
nada,
ifs
and
buts
here,
but
clearly
the
taxpayers
that
of
that
deal,
and
this
from
day
one
from
96
to
2018,
that's
23
years
that
Ducks
bears
been
on
the
hook
for
something
really
shameful,
to
say
the
least,
on
a
contract
of
this
nature
and
I
understand,
there's
a
limit
because
the
city
has
inherited
that's
filed
from
there
from
the
former
Township,
but
nevertheless
seems
they.
A
Even
we
had
a
tool
in
the
toolbox
and
I
accept
the
fact
that
that
the
explanation
from
the
city
manager
that
I
was
hoping
to
to
come
strong
with
this,
because
we
this
is
the
only
tool
we
have
right
now.
In
an
odd
hand,
is
companies
don't
comply,
a
good,
a
good
standard
with
the
city,
and
even
that
was
not
used
and
no
but
I
hope.
This
is
a
lesson
learned
for
all
of
us
and
and
maybe
that
question
is
going
to
be
if
they
don't
comply
with
all
the
cleanup
bills.
A
B
Mr.
chair,
the
company
is
the
confidence,
is
fully
aware
of
this.
They
have
received
a
letter
from
chief
procurement
officer,
I,
don't
know
several
months
ago
well
and
cut
a
little
win
when
you
sent
the
letter
is
in
May,
and
the
letter
query
stated
that
this
may
be
invoked.
Should
they
not
start
to
comply
because
we're
looking
for
financial
information,
they
sent
this
financial
information
within
I
think
48
hours
of
receiving
that
letter.
This
is
still
on
the
table.
At
the
recommendation
of
the
Auditor
General,
we've
agreed
with
recommendation.
B
We
are
in
discussions
with
with
Tomlinson
who
the
companies
are
pursuing,
that
with
mr.
Wylie,
with
the
president
of
Tomlinson
uber
companies.
They
fully
understand
the
severity
of
this
situation.
They're
also,
you
know
saying
look.
This
is
a
file
that
has
now
gone
well
and
that
we
have
a
lot
going
with
the
city
and
I
acknowledge
that.
B
But
they
also
understand
that
we
have
to
deal
with
this
and
we
have
to
deal
with
this
and
get
ourselves
back
on
track
in
terms
of
protecting
the
taxpayers
from
the
environmental
issues
that
have
been
created
there
and
the
potential
costs
that
could
flow
back
to
the
city.
They
take
responsibility
for
that.
They've
acknowledged
that
and
a
degree
to
that
Wrigley
and
we're
going
to
continue
discussions
after,
as
the
chair
said.
B
So
this
here
is,
in
the
backdrop
and
in
the
background
of
what
we
can
trigger
if
they
don't
cooperate
and
I
made
that
very
clear
with
them
that,
if
that's
the
case,
we're
leaving
here,
you'll
have
a
big
fight
with
going
to
take
legally,
but
we're
not
afraid
of
a
fight
with
anybody
frankly,
and
for
us
to
invoke
this
would
be
the
measure
we
take.
If
we
don't
get
cooperation
from
my
policy
or
the
companies
on
this
file.
Right
now,.
B
World
in
there's
another
recommendation
that
mr.
Hughes
is
before
they
roulette.
We
report
back
to
to
council
through
the
Bailey's
committee
structures
on
our
progress
on
this
file
and
we
will
under
that
maybe
based
on
the
audit
ating.
Today
we
are
less
a
responsibility
to
to
report
back
in
terms
the
outcome
of
the
discussion,
because
we
can't
leave
this
sitting
out
there
because
of
what's
happening
with
the
environmental
issue.
What's
happening
at
all
the
recommendations
we
plan
to
come
back
and
I'm
sure
mr.
Hughes
will
be
doing
the
follow-up
caught
it
at
some
point.
A
Thank
you
mr.
chair,
thank
you.
Celso
l
sedentary
for
your
questions,
custard
leaves
and
then
the
council
wilkinson
and
culture
couch
a
afternoon
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I
want
to
thank
the
other
committee
and
their
hard
work
and
I
know.
It's
been
I
inherited
this
file,
and
most
of
you
know
that
this
is
this.
The
Swingle.
A
But
Tamiya
is
the
way
I'm
looking
at
it
and
I
appreciate
my
council,
colleagues
and
the
city
manager
is
coming
and
I
do
agree
that
Thomason
has
been
a
company
that
between
doing
business
for
the
city
and
a
Township
and
many
many
years.
So
there
is
a
big
history
on
long
time.
History
and
I
I
understand
why
the
city
manager,
and
why
the
city
didn't
act
as
of
construction
materials.
It
was
asking
and
I
realized
that
there
is
one
contract,
one
trunk
and
I
own
it.
A
A
Interest
in
my
community
and
I
want
to
make
sure
I
am
working
hard
to
dealing
with
the
issue
that
we've
been
at
the
very
surface.
They're
surfacing
and
I
know
that
I
am
very
confident
and
I'm
sure
by
the
city
staff
and
by
many
sources
that
Thomason
will
be
working
with
us
and
making
sure
that
to
address
this
issue,
one
after
the
other.
A
B
B
There's
been
no
fill
activity
now
for
about
a
month.
Tomlinson
has
started
doing
their
interim
cover
on
the
closed
cells
of
this
of
the
facility,
which
will
start
to
abate
the
groundwater
and
there's
active
monitoring
and
I
think
I
believe
two
drinking
wells,
one,
that's
not
one's
property,
that's
been
assumed
by
Tomlinson
and
there's
no
resident
there
and
I
believe
the
other
one.
A
C
A
C
A
B
B
Just
just
boys
are
looking
at
this
thing:
I
we've
dealt
a
lot
now
at
the
Clark
landfill,
which
is
quietly
offer
you
put
on
their
own
land.
This
is
privately
operated
on
city
land
and
that's
the
only
difference
right
with
the
you
have
to
get
permits
from
the
Ministry
of
Environment
to
operate
a
landfill.
Is
that
agreement
with
them
or
with
us
who
has
the
agreement
as
an
operator.
C
B
C
C
B
C
As
the
owner
of
the
environmental
compliance
certificate,
it
was
the
city
that
submitted
the
renew
ba
ssin
plan
to
the
Ministry
of
the
Environment,
and
so
that
plan
has
been
approved
in
in
its
concept
and
we
will
be
putting
in
a
long
term
and
more
detailed
plan
by
the
end
of
the
summer
to
the
MOU
that
will
be
for
the
actual
design
and
at
the
cap
and
these
stormwater
management
system
for
that
site.
So.
C
C
B
I
think
perhaps
going
to
the
city
management
is
a
scarcer
and
these
are
costs
to
regulate
it
to
their
operation
and
during
the
plan
is
directly
related
to
that.
Should
that
not
be
part
of
your
discussion
with
them
that
they
have
an
applicative
responsibility
for
doing
this?
Mr.
chair,
maybe
I
can
just
a
couple
of
clarifications.
One
is
on
the
CND
lease
we've
already
give
notice
to
Thompson
and
that
lease
will
not
be
renewed,
so
that
comes
up
the
end
of
this
year,
October.
B
Our
expectation
is
that
will
be
paid
for
by
Tomlinson
and,
as
the
city
manager
had
pointed
out,
we
do
have
that
agreement
verbally
in
principle
from
Tomlinson
and
will
continue
down
that
road
and
they
were
then,
even
though
the
lease
has
not
be
nude,
they're
still
responsive
or
equipment
damage
already
done,
but
if
we
take
it
over
them,
your
ongoing
operation.
That
would
be
always,
but
not
up
to
that,
not
putting
it
in
today.
B
B
Chair,
it's
there's
two
things:
the
lease
on
the
scene.
D
just
takes
the
scene
D
plant
out
of
the
equation.
They
still
have
the
ownership.
The
management
agreement
on
the
landfill
is
still
in
action
and
still,
in
effect,
until
that
landfill
is
filled
up,
is
basically
what
the
agreement
says.
So
they
are
still
on
the
hook
for
those
costs,
while
they're
managing
that
site
and
that's
until
that
landfill
there's.
That's
the
only
sunset
clause
on
that
agreement
is
until
that
landfill
is
filled
up.
B
B
Will
close
and
they'll
have
to
dismantle
it
and
take
it
off
the
property
and
that's
their
land
as
well?
Isn't
it
that
piece
currently
chair
it's
sitting
on
this
landfill
land
and
in
fact,
in
stage
5,
where
the
last
stage
that
would
be
filled
in
a
landfill,
so
they
have
to
return
it
back
the
cipa
city's
land
back
in
good
condition
of
some
sort.
We
would
expect
to
see
it
have
all
the
proper
environmental
measures
put
in
place,
including
an
impermeable
cap,
storm
water
abatement,
etc.
B
Okay,
I
think
those
things
are
very
important
as
big
dollars
involved
with
those
and
other
landfills
are
required
to
do
them.
They
should
not
be
getting
the
free
right
under
sudden
there's
other
things
that
come
up,
but
I,
guess
they're
still
not
paying
to
put
all
has
been
waste
there,
but
they
are
good.
Now
pause.
The
city
pays
the
overall
cost
of
all
landfills
I
expect
that
their
big,
paying
the
same
way
as
any
other
household
would
in
the
city,
but.
C
B
Consumer
thinks
here
the
30%
discount
in
the
rates
that
they're
done
for
their
own
companies,
which
seems
to
be
I,
think
I
saw
with
76%
of
all
the
stuff
going
there.
That
is
a
huge
loss
of
revenue,
and
things
like
that
and
ice
know
that
you
said
in
beliefs.
They
have
the
right
to
set
the
rates.
Does
that
mean
that
they
can
give
a
discount
and
not
pay
us
or
didn't
agree
dis
compass?
Don't
have
to
pay
us
about
the
poor
weight?
Has
it
been
unclear
in
the
report.
A
Mr.
chair
I
think
that's
those
are
issues
that
that
that
we
think
can
be
addressed
with
the
provision
of
better
information
which
hopefully
will
come
from
the
the
new
relationship
which
appears
to
exist
in
relation
that
is
contract
and
on
the
part
of
Tomlinson
staff
have
certainly
asked
was
a
very
long
list
of
information
that
they've
asked,
for
that
would
help
determine
whether
or
not
that
was
appropriate
and
there
to
be
quite
frank,
that
hasn't
been
forthcoming,
but
that
is
work
that
would
have
to
be
done.
B
A
B
One
of
the
questions
you
have
in
here
as
well
that
you've
mentioned
that
they
should
that
they
say.
There's
no
webbing
of
the
mattress
means
the
city
doesn't
get
its
proportion
which
we
could
use
to
put
aside
for
the
future
issues
which
are
obviously
going
to
have
on
that
site
after
they
finished
impose
it
on
there's.
A
B
It
isn't
if
the
caution
is
sort
of
like
they've
done,
they
didn't
provide
information
very
easily
or
very
much
of
it
until
they
were
kind
of
they
call
kind
of
caught
now
they're
going
to
make
up
for
it,
because
they
know
what
the
result
could
be
extremely
difficult
for
them,
but
I
think
we
have
to
be
really
cautious
and
not
just
with
this
company.
I
think
this
is
a
warning
about
being
very
cautious
with
any
corporation,
that's
working
with
us
and
and
have
done
for
a
long
time.
B
We
can
look
complacent,
sometimes
with
doing
things
I
know
we
found
that
lash
and
we
looked
at
ashphalt
and
all
those
kind
of
things
it's
all
part
of
the
same
basket
really
so
if
they
think
that's
the
city
staff
thing
I
think
you
have
taken
it
up
pretty
seriously
yeah
from
what
I've
heard
and
I.
Thank
you
for
that.
But
if
it
got
better
to
get,
we
have
to
do
what
got
now
and
moving
forward,
and
we
have
to
be
very
cognizant
that
the
taxpayers
dollars
this
is
wasting
it
not
going
either
wasting
or
not.
B
Sir
they're
treating
correct
the
value
of
what
is
for
the
municipality.
That's
not
their
job
is
so
thank
you
for
bringing
this
forward.
It's
a
very
difficult
report
to
read
and
to
try
to
figure
out,
but
it
has
to
be
out.
There
has
to
be
dealt
with
and
I'm
glad
us
not
being
the
not
given
a
threat.
This
G
respect
importance
in
the
past
that
we're
doing
do
that
now.
Second,
thank
mister
Thank.
B
Just
couple
more
clarifying
questions
with
respect
to
the
ongoing
costs
and
the
environmental
damage.
The
page
43
of
the
report
says
the
Ministry
of
the
Environment
and
climate
change
determined
that
the
landfill
was
out
of
compliance.
Can
someone
tell
me
how
they
came
to
be
involved?
What
prompted
their
involvement
in
December
so.
C
They
have
been
involved
with
the
file
since
the
environmental
compliances
that
certificate
was
issued
so
as
a
requirement
of
the
certificate
of
approval
you
have
to
put
in
an
annual
monitoring
report.
That
report
is
reviewed
by
ministry
staff.
They
make
comments
and
recommendations
and
then
the
monitoring
program
is
adjusted
based
on
that.
So
the
Ministry
of
the
Environment
has
had
a
long-term
engagement
on
this
file,
and
it's
really
only
in
the
recent
years
where
the
environmental
conditions
have
began.
C
B
We
put
forward
a
remediation
plan
and
that
is
a
little
bit
more
capital-intensive
and
lower
ongoing
costs
and
Tomlinson
has
objected
to
it.
Who
and
and
the
the
province
has
accepted
our
remediation
plan
does.
Does
the
Ministry
of
the
Environment
have
the
final
say
on
how
the
remediation
plan,
which
remediation
plan
will
will
be
chosen
as.
C
Well,
so
they
have
already
agreed
with
our
concept,
which
is
to
put
in
an
permeable
cap
on
that
landfill
site
and
a
stormwater
management
system
to
deal
with
you
gonna
often
that
cap,
so
they've
agreed
with
that
in
principle.
Now
we
have
to
develop
a
functional
design
which
they
will
also
comment
on
and
approve.
B
C
B
B
Us
on
that,
we
don't
have
a
contract.
We
don't
have
that.
We
are
still
governed
by
the
lease
agreement
and
the
memorandum
of
understanding
from
1996
and
1998
correct
so,
and
they
have
been
in
some
ways.
We've
heard
non-compliant
with
that
to
date
in
terms
of
be
forthcoming,
with
information
and
royalty
payments
and
more
important
to
me
beyond
going
long-term
mental
impact
of
of
this
site
is
that
is
that
a
fair
assessment
or
yes,
okay,
the
the
site
has
reached
capacity.
B
B
With
respect
to
to
the
insurance,
the
other
general
mentioned
that
we're
missing
some
insurance
does
that,
while
I
recognize,
we
don't
have
schedule
II,
would
that
schedule
presumably
contain
some
liability
protection
for
the
long
term
costs
of
environmental
damage?
Is
that
generally,
what
we
would
find
in
an
insurance
document
such
as
that
that
is
missing.
C
B
Generally
best
practices,
and
maybe
the
procurement
officer
or
the
treasurer
or
legal,
might
speak
to
this.
Would
such
a
document
contain
protection
for
the
city
for
long
term,
environmental
liability
that
would
be
brought
by
the
ministry
of
the
environment
by
an
adjacent
landowner
by
any
other
stakeholder.
A
Mr.
chair,
it's
difficult
to
say
what
the
parties
agreed
to
in
1996.
What
that
there
are
provisions
in
the
agreement
itself
for
indemnification
of
the
city
that
is
separate,
and,
apart
from
the
insurance
requirements,
what
we
do
have
in
place.
There
is
insurance
in
place.
The
difficulty,
of
course,
is
reconciling
the
insurance
that
it
is
in
place
with
what
was
agreed
to
or
what
what
arrangements
were
in
place
back
in
1996,
so
that
is
occulting
I.
Think.
B
And
my
final
question
is
just
back
with
respect
to
the
contract
inception
and
again
we
inherited
this.
Does
the
construction
and
demolition
originally,
the
1996
agreement
was
just
Osgood
waste,
but
the
1998
lease
agreement
meant
that
Tomlinson
and
its
associated
companies
could
bring
in
waste
from
outside
of
ours
good.
Did
it
effectively
become
Osgood
waste,
your
use
of,
and
thus
it
could
be
put
into
the
landfill
you.
B
I
just
want
to
ask
some
questions
to
make
sure
I'm
following
this
tree
properly.
That
would
doubt
make
sure
I'm
understanding,
probably
to
inform
perhaps
my
next
round
of
questions,
so
residential
waste
from
Osgood
is
no
longer
going
to
this
facility
and
hasn't
been
for
some
time
it's
going
to
our
facility
in
bar
Haven.
That's.
B
B
C
B
What
I
wanted
to
clarify
so
we're
not
sending
reg
waste
there
learning
the
Leeson
C&D
waste,
but
they
can
still
accept
Iceni
waste
from
small
businesses
within
the
former
township
of
Oscar
chair
right
now.
They
cannot
accept
anything
because
we've
amended
the
ECA
to
temporarily
suspend
filling
at
that
site.
Sure,
and
is
it
your
intention
to
remove
that
temporary
restriction
after
the
remediation
is
complete,
or
are
we
pulling
our
ECA
forever
moving
forward
chair?
B
We
would
have
to
be
absolutely
certain
that
both
the
remedial
action
plan
has
been
put
in
place
to
protect
the
groundwater
from
what's
filled
there
now,
and
the
proper
protection
would
be
put
in
place
into
the
empty
stage.
Five,
and
by
that
I
mean
a
bottom
line
or
similar.
That's
a
trail
so
that
absolutely
no
water
could
get
in
the
and
the
landfill,
and
that's
something
that
once
we
get
over
and
keep
in
mind,
the
environmental
remediation
action
plan
will
will
be,
as
measure
no
said,
and
the
functional
designs.
B
By
the
end
of
the
summer,
the
detailed
design
will
probably
take
a
year
and
then
we'll
studied
on
construction.
So
we're
probably
two
years
out
before
that
piece
of
Works
in
place
and
then
we'll
discuss
with
Tomlinson,
because
they
still
have
an
agreement
in
place
and
the
agreement
still
gives
them
ability
to
utilize
Stage
five.
B
So
we'll
start
discussions
about
how
that
would
look
if
it
would
look
sure
what
we
we
we
own
violent
compliance
certificate
right,
that's
correct,
and
so,
as
the
owner
that
we
bear
I
would
imagine
a
great
deal
of
liability
as
a
result
of
loneliness
certificate.
Post
closure.
That's
correct
too
sure.
So
you
said
that
we
would
need
a
great
deal
of
certainty
that
the
environmental
problems
in
leaking
had
been
solved.
B
Don't
I,
don't
apologize
if
I'm
parsing,
but
there's
a
language
that
you're
using
which
makes
it
sound
like
you,
don't
intend
to
come
back
to
Council,
so
I
want
to
know
if,
before
the
site
reopens
for
the
acceptance
of
any
waste,
are
you
coming
back
to
committee
and
Council
to
get
the
blessing
and
the
this
body
to
do
so?
Absolutely,
okay.
B
What
is
the
process
of
negotiating
with
Tomlinson
for
these
remedial
costs?
Is
it
standard
negotiating
and
then
arbitration
will
go
to
arbitration
or
it
away?
How
is
what's
the
mechanics
of
that
going
to
look
like
without
getting
into
details
of
that?
Mr.
chair,
the
you
know,
we
have
that
discussion,
but
a
frank
discussion
with
the
president
and
they
didn't
they
express
no
interest
in
pursuing
a
litigious
approach
to
go
see
the
through
arbitration
through
the
courts.
B
I
think
that
what
the
Thomason
group
of
companies
is
also
realizing
is
expressed
at
the
meeting
is
that
they
do
a
substantial
amount
of
business
with
the
City
of
Ottawa
on
a
broader
from
their
entire
group
of
companies
and
when
they
look
at
the
context
of
this
in
terms
of
cost
in
terms
of
what
it
actually
cost
a
cop
it.
It's
actually
a
reminder
cost,
even
though
the
implications
are
significant
environment
potentially,
and
they
are
interested
in
putting
this
behind
them
and
working
through
to
a
solution.
B
So
they
permitted
and
I
asked
them
for
commitment
before
the
meeting
laughs.
That
holds
the
audit
immediately
to
start
discussing
terms
and
commitments
in
terms
of
what
they
would
do
to
to
deal
with
the
mitigation
and
the
costs
associated
with
that
and
they've
agreed
to
do
that,
and
it
was
the
subject
of
reimbursement
for
Miss,
royalties
or
overpayments
and
all
addressed
in
terms
of
going
back
through
time.
B
We
have
to
deal
with
the
environmental
issue
and
the
responsibility
could
mitigate
measures,
because
our
council
will
expect
that
to
be
done,
that's
exactly
what
I
told
them
and
that
there
will
be
further
discussion
around
the
contract
and
moving
forward
and
they've
agreed
to
that.
What
kind
of
time
threshold
are
you
giving
this?
Because
the
auditor
is
recommending
that
we
block
list
them
and
I
presume
he
thinks
we
should
do
that?
Pretty
quickly,
there
are
obviously
lots
of
implications
to
that.
So
how
long
are
you
going
to
to
give
this
back-and-forth
negotiation
before
we?
B
You
know
before
we
go
full
monty
omnes?
Well,
the
way
the
way
of
your
chair
is
that
before
we
trigger
you
know
the
procurement
bylaw
sections
that
apply
to
the
recommendation
that
we
are
now
in
the
process.
As
you
heard
from
mr.
Nolan,
mr.
Wylie
Elbert
completed
the
design
and
getting
a
more
detailed
synopsis
summary
of
what
the
cost
would
be.
B
B
A
You
Kelsey,
our
blood
counts,
are
a
good
thing.
Chris
chair,
so
I
wanted
to
back
the
insurance
from
the
Napa
calculon
I'm
still
confused.
So
is
it
that
we
don't
have
sure
insurance
at
all,
or
is
it
that
we're
not
sure
if
we
have
the
right
insurance
or
is
that
we're
not
sure
we
have
the
right
insurance
at
the
right
time?.
A
Mr.
chair,
there
is
insurance
in
place.
The
question
is:
does
the
insurance
that
is
in
place
match
what
was
agreed
to
between
Tomlinson
and
the
township
of
Osgood
in
1996,
which
would
have
been
set
out
in
Schedule
E?
So
it's
that
it's
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
a
copy
of
Schedule
E
for
comparative
purposes
to
determine
whether
the
insurance
that
is
currently
in
place.
The
Tomlinson
has
in
place
for
the
site,
matches
that
okay,
so
I
guess
to
file
questions.
Then.
A
That's
the
work
that
SAP
are
undertaking
in
the
event
that
they
can't
find
and
when
we
see
no
evidence
of
Schedule
E
to
ensure
that
that
insurance
it
is
in
place
is
adequate
in
the
circumstances.
So
you
don't
even
that'd,
be
sorry,
but
the
contamination
today
is
on
Tomlinson's
property.
Okay,
so
again,
will
you
be
coming
back
to
committee
and
council?
If
and
when
you
find
out
the
answer
to
whether
we
have
the
proper
insurance.
A
A
Yes,
they
were
mr.
German
and
have
they
been
asked
because
there's
a
requirement
for
them
to
keep
the
files
that
they've
and
ask
for
Schedule
E
I'm,
not
certain
well,
it
seems
to
me
that
would
be
a
fairly
basic
thing
to
do.
They
have
certain
requirements
in
the
law
society
under
their
own
insurance
law,
with
hokhmah
insurance,
to
ask
them
the
question
as
to
whether
they
still
have
that
and
file
someone,
so
that
hasn't
been
Donna
would
suggest
that
should
be
done
sooner
rather
than
later.
A
A
We
cannot
say
okay,
and
are
you
satisfied
that
you
never
process?
We
have?
A
policy
have
in
place
now
for
taking
minutes
of
meetings
is
satisfactory,
going
forward.
I
think
we
indicate
I
think
we
indicate
and
then
in
the
report,
that
there
are
some
areas
where
they
could
be
strengthened,
but
certainly
the
the
oversight
since
2014.
A
There
is
evidence
of
it,
and
there
is
no
doubt
that
the
current
players
are
engaged
with.
With
the
farm
we
I
attended.
The
facility
I
was
out
there
with
a
staff,
there's
no
question
that
staff
are
engaged
now
so
I,
don't
know.
If
you
can
answer
this
question,
our
weather
is
too
wide-ranging
for
this
particular
piece
of
work,
but
the
last
few
times
we've
prepared
in
front
of
us.
The
key.
The
key
discussion
piece
has
been
contract
management.
A
A
We
have
to
make
sure
that
the
policies
and
procedures
to
support
them
and
they
exist,
and
that
and
those
exist
now
and
that
they
are
low
and
that
their
supervisors
ensure
that
they're
in
compliance
with
them
and
time.
Your
time
will
tell
and
I
assure
you
that
we
will
continue
to
look
at
contract
management
in
in
future
audits.
It's
one
of
the
areas
that
I
indicated
to
the
other
committee
that
we
focus
on.
So
maybe
this
is
a
larger
question
for
mr.
Cadillac
Asst.
A
In
light
of
the
fact
that
again,
there
are
pieces
of
documentation
missing
the
minutes
that
don't
appear
that
have
been
taken.
Are
you
satisfied
in
a
role
that
across
the
city
now
there
is
a
direction
and
a
policy
that
for
meetings
that
minutes
are
that
minutes
are
kept
for
for
meetings
of
substance,
mister
kantor,
lacus
and
that
they're
being
upended
and
saved
to
our
file
so
that
next
year
in
the
year
after
we
don't
have
our
auditor
here
again
saying?
Well,
there's
no
documentation!
We
don't
have
any
record
what
happened
at
those
meetings.
A
B
A
If,
if
mr.
Hughes
reached
out
to
you
and
randomly
asked
for
six
different
contract
management
files
today
and
said,
I
need
to
see
the
minutes
over,
the
meetings
have
happened
over
the
last
two
years.
What
do
you
think
the
successor
compliance
rate
would
be
well,
there's
a
number
of
audits
under
way
related
to
contract
administration,
so
mr.
Hughes
will
certainly
be
speaking
to
that
and
I
think
it
will
be
dependent
on
the
file.
These
are
ongoing
initiatives
to
standardize
our
process
and
some
there
will
be
very
strong
contract
administration
practices
and
others.
A
B
Right
which
are
hearing
mr.
chair
is
that,
as
a
chief
procurement
officer
said,
is
that
the
other
General
has
delivered
a
number
of
reports
over
the
last
year.
That
pointed
to
a
trend
in
contract
management
policies
and
procedures
of
practices
need
to
improve
and
we've
taken
that
and
I've
asked
the
general
manager
Corporate
Services,
very
similar
working
with
will
and
the
rest
of
our
management
team
to
the
policies
procedures,
the
training,
the
changes
that
we
had
to
make
in
the
organization
to
improve
ourselves
going
forward.
You've
asked
a
question.
Mr.
chair
question
was
asked
about.
B
Historically,
can
I
go
back
two
years?
Well,
obviously,
the
last
two
years
we
have
not
been
doing
so
well
on
some
aspects
of
that
I'm.
Looking
for
improvement
going
forward,
mr.
Hughes
will
validate
that
I'm
starting
to
see
that
improvement.
Now,
because
we're
making
that
a
focus.
It's
a
message
we're
delivering
to
all
of
our
management
and
supervisors
on
a
consistent
basis
and
the
training
is
really
most
important
pieces.
We
bring
people
through
to
so
they
understand
their
accountabilities
in
all
aspects
of
contract
management
and
as
mr.
B
A
Colors
Thank
You
mr.
chair
and
gesture
just
to
supplement,
what's
been
said
whether
you're
not
on
a
specific
subject
of
contract
management,
but
on
the
overall
policy
issue.
The
city
of
auto
law
does
have
an
management
policy
that
does
have
requirements
with
regards
to
detail
in
such
minutes,
as
the
council
mentioned
and
ensuring
that
it
at
on
every
level,
all
decision
making
is
recorded
and
kept
in
an
appropriate
fashion,
but
that's
not
happening.
It's
not
Thursday
or
hadn't
been
happening
in
a
consistent
way
up
until
we've.
B
Had
inconsistencies,
although
we
acknowledge
that
we
have
septa
the
recommendation
of
the
auto
general
contract
management
has
been
put
at
the
top
priority
of
one
of
our
top
priorities
for
a
senior
management
to
improve
that,
and
we've
taken
an
issue
in
the
last
few
months
that
it's
that
in
living
as
to
what
is
that?
Ok.
A
Think
that
just
one
quick
follow-up
question
on
the
on
the
potential
band
for
Tomlinson
I
just
want
some
clarification.
Tomlinson
is
a
group
of
companies.
They
have
a
lot
of
different
divisions,
a
lot
of
different
related
companies.
Would
the
ban
apply
to
Thompson
in
its
entirety
or
just
would
apply
to
me
because
you'd
indicated
that
a
relationship
with
Tomlinson
in
other
areas
is
is
quite
good,
so
does
the
policy
say
Tomlinson
as
a
whole
or
just
the
division
of
Tomlinson?
That's
been
maintaining
and
working
at
this
particular
landfill.
A
A
A
A
You
know,
Springhill
tomlinson
group
has
been
in
front
of
the
council
on
a
number
of
occasions
over
the
last
I
would
say
what
last
eight
years
requesting
some
kind
of
modifications
to
their
operations
at
Spring.
Hill,
however,
be
an
expansion
that
the
intake
of
garbage,
but
would
be
an
expansion
of
hours
of
operation,
and
they
were
in
front
of
Environment
Committee.
It
gets
asserted
late
as
2016
November
2016.
A
At
the
last
contact
with
the
spring
held
management,
the
weather
do
tomlinson
or
someone
else
about
some
of
these
issues
that
we
were
facing
already
back
in
2016
or
even
before,
that
in
terms
of
the
operations
and
all
in
terms
of
what
the
concerns
from
the
city
were
was
any
of
that
ever
mentioned
either
directly
to
comments
in
or
through
to
the
ministry.
When
we
putting
in
when
the
Louisville
assessment
process.
A
C
To
my
knowledge,
Tomlinson
was
not
seeking
many
environmental
assessments
for
that
landfill
site.
They
have
approached
the
city
and
asked
for
us
to
approve
conditions
on
their
environmental,
complies
approval
that
we
have
not
brought
forward.
So
it's,
but
we
meet
with
Tomlinson
monthly.
There
are
documented
needed
minutes.
So
since
2014,
we
have
been
very
active
on
this
file
and
we
have
been
following
all
best
management
practices
and
as
well
as
filing
those
minutes
appropriately
through
our
electronic
filing
system.
So
the
management
of
that
project
now
is
I
would
say
well
done
thanks
mr.
A
You
for
that
response,
and
mr.
Noah
and
I
do
appreciate
that
unity
process
has
improved
and
I
do
think
the
staff,
as
well
as
our
eg,
for
making
sure
that
that
happens.
But
my
question,
sir,
comes
back
to
the
fact
that
when
they
came
for
approval
of
extension
of
their
hours
as
an
example,
why
wasn't
the
committee
or
committee
chair
at
least
made
aware
of
some
of
these
concerns
that
the
city
was
facing
at
Tomlinson
at
the
time.
C
And
the
approval
extending
the
hours
was
not
approved,
it
was
the
City
of
Ottawa.
He
would
have
to
submit
those
the
previous
to
the
Ministry
of
the
Environment
and
we
weren't
necessarily
always
in
agreement
with
what
they
were
proposing
to
us.
So
we've
always
had
an
interaction
with
Tomlinson
I'm
on
their
undertakings
and
what
they're
proposing
again.
A
I
appreciate
that
comment.
Massager
no,
but
my
question
is
at
any
point
when
the
city
was
aware
of
some
of
these
challenges
that
we
were
facing,
but
Tomlinson
over
the
spring
of
landfill.
Did
anybody
from
the
city
stop?
You
know
today,
or
maybe
previous
staff
made
either
the
ministry
aware
of
some
of
these
concerns
or
made
the
City
Council
aware
of
some
of
these
concerns
yeah.
C
So
yes,
we
are,
the
Tomlinson
is
required
to
report
to
the
Ministry
of
Environment
annually
the
environmental
conditions
at
that
site.
It
was
showing
that
there
was
degradation
at
the
groundwater.
It's
been
noted
since
about
2012,
and
so
the
ministry
is
very
well
aware
of
those
issues,
and
you
know,
city
staff,
as
well
as
the
ministry
have
been
working
with
Tomlinson
to
try
and
address
those
concerns.
The
environmental
issues
increased
significantly
in
2017
and
that's
when
the
city
took
immediate
steps
to
deal
with
is
at
that
site,
and-
and
here
we
are
now
mr.
B
Chair
if
I
can
add,
I
think
the
councilors
asking
was
the
ministry
aware
of
the
difficult
relationship
with
Tomlinson,
and
certainly
they
were
aware
of
that.
However,
having
said
that,
they
look
upon
the
city
as
the
owner
of
the
landfill
to
conduct
the
mitigation,
that's
required
that
they
were
certainly
aware
of
the
difficult
situation
or
the
difficult
relationship
with
Thomasin.
A
Thank
you
for
that,
mr.
Rowley,
and
then
again
you
know
just
coming
back
to
yesterday's
council
meeting
when
you
know
Constitution
quiz
motion
that
was
so
Terry
dip
forward.
That
is
the
kind
of
concern
I
think
we
all
have
sitting
on
this
table
is
the
period
of
the
Thayer
landfill.
Any
landfill
is
up
to
the
province.
A
As
close
as
500
meters
to
a
landfill-
and
you
know
finding
out
these
kind
of
facts
after
the
fact
doesn't
sit
well
with
me
and
very
honest
with
you,
because
the
reason
why
it
doesn't
sit
well
with
me
is
I
went
through
this
fight
along
with
the
consolation
Tyrion
couple
other
members
of
the
council
when
car
brought
landfill
is
expanding
and
the
community
is
assured
over
and
over
again
your
issues
won't
be
there,
and
you
know
everything
will
be
looked
after.
It's
a
well-engineered,
landfill
and
so
on.
A
chair,
Thank,
You,
celtic,
agriculture,
monopolist
and
that's
the
under
questions
after
you
taken
you
should
care
about.
You
see
everybody
who's
had
a
lot
of
questions
are
on
the
table
and
it's
been
quite
in-depth.
I
guess
mine
is
a
fairly
simple
question.
Is
will
it
be
possible
when
presenting
initial
on
it
reports
to
Samos
a
projected
follow-up
time
so
that
when
we
have,
we
have
a
better
understanding
of
what
the
audit
would
be
dealing?
What
mr.
A
chair
3e
to
the
council,
we
generally
in
most
circumstances,
go
back
to
do
our
follow-up
within
two
or
three
years.
We
can
and
have
gone
back,
Sunnah
and
then
and
in
other
circumstances,
we've
waited
so,
for
example,
the
ISDN
audits.
There
was
a
and
five
audits
that
for
audits,
that
we
did
then
one
special
project
that
special
review
that
was
done
in
ISDN.
The
department
said:
wait
a
second.
A
A
A
Okay,
the
committee
has
decided
that
we
do
not
need
to
go
in-camera
on
this
item,
but
thanks
to
the
staff
and
the
other
general's
office,
the
committee's
received
the
answers
that
we
want
it
to
have
our
best
report,
so
we
won't
be
moving
in
camera.
So
is
there
any
notices
of
motion
seeing
none
any
inquiries?