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B
B
So
I'll
call
the
meeting
to
order
any
declarations
of
interest,
none
confirmation
of
minutes
from
the
16th
of
January
good
good.
Thank
you
carried
and
then
in
communications.
We
have
a
couple
of
things:
celebrate
Ottawa
heritage
day
is
next
week,
and
it's
right
here
at
City,
Hall
from
11:30
to
2,
I'm
sure
the
mayor
will
be
speaking,
usually
does
around
the
close
to
noon
and
so
I.
B
We
could
figure
that
out,
but
it'll
be
it's
a
great
showcase
of
heritage
in
the
City
of
Ottawa,
and
then
we
also
have
a
local
heritage
conference
in
Cornwall
from
May
23rd
to
25th,
and
that's
for
your
interest.
We
don't
have
any
funding
just
so
you
know
for
any
of
us
to
go,
but
some
of
you
may
wish
to
go
because
it's
so
close
in
in
Cornwall
and
again
it's
the
Heritage
for
Ontario
heritage
conference.
B
So
our
first
item
up
we're
going
to
hold
it.
It
is
the
application
to
alter
106,
116,
SPARC,
Street
and
111
to
113
Queen
Street,
located
in
the
SPARC
Street
Heritage
Conservation,
District
and
designated
under
part
5
of
the
entero
Heritage
Act
we
have
mr.
genes
is
going
to
speak
to
that
and
we're
gonna
have
a
little
bit
of
a
presentation
as
well.
It's
the
second
time
we've
had
it
before
us
and
it's
an
exciting
application.
B
The
second
item
that
we
have
is
the
designation
of
478
Albert
Street
under
part
4
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
This
is
one
where
we
are
recommending
the
council
issue,
a
notice
of
intention
to
designate
478
Albert
Street
and
again
we
have
mr.
genes
here
to
speak
on
that
one
as
well,
and
so
without
further
ado.
Let's
go
back
to
the
first
one,
the
sparks
and
Queen,
and
our
presentation.
C
As
the
chair
said,
this
was
in
front
of
the
committee
in
in
the
autumn,
and
there
was
at
the
time
there
was
an
emerging
issue
about
on
the
conservation
methods
proposed
and
the
the
applicant
had.
It
was
moving
towards
a
different
way
of
preserving
the
sparks
trees,
and
so
eventually
the
applicant,
through
that
initial
application
that
you
would
see
when
you
submitted
an
application
in
early
January
and
that's
what's
in
front
of
you
today,
the
change
just
before
we
start
the
the
major
change
to
the
African.
C
I
take
out
the
doors
and
windows
and
various
elements,
restore
them,
build
a
new
wall
and
reinsert
in
insert
the
doors
and
windows
into
the
new
wall.
Other
than
that,
the
project
will
be
this,
the
same
as
what,
as
the
application
that
was
in
front
of
the
committee
in
the
autumn,
so
I'll
just
quickly
go
through
it's
on
this
far
street,
now
a
through
lot
that
runs
between
Sparks
and
Queen
Street
just
to
the
west
of
Metcalf.
C
C
C
It
is
in
the
sparse,
Street
Heritage
Conservation
District
designated
under
part
five
of
the
Heritage
Act
and
require
city
council
approval.
The
application
is
to
demolish
the
sixties,
Bank
building
106,
to
demolish
the
front
facade,
an
entire
building
of
108
116
SPARC
Street,
remove
and
restore
the
living
metal
elements
and
install
them
into
a
new
replica
wall
and
to
construct
a
a
which
is
six
stories
and
one
section
rising
to
18
at
Queen.
Street,
that's
true,
that's
a
typo
should
be
Queen
Street,
so
there
is
the
the
site.
C
C
This
is
the
replacement
building
for
the
1960s
that
is
being
demolished,
and
this
is
the
eighteenth
storey
tower
that
faces
Queen
Street
again
here
is
some
artist,
rendering
we've
had
trouble
with
renderings
in
the
past,
but
so
just
imagine
that
this
is
actually
what
the
building
looks
like,
but
maybe
not
the
flowers.
So,
just
it's
more
to
show
you
how
it
will
look
when
it's
put
back
together,
Plus
this.
This
pediment
has
not
been
there
for
number
of
years,
and
the
new
pediment
is
based
on
historical
photographs
and
it
will
be
reinstated
under
the.
C
The
architect
is
also
here
for
more
detailed
questions,
so
this
is,
there
is
extensive
analysis
done
of
of
the
building
and
the
methods
of
taking
it
apart
and
to
restore
them
in
to
reinstall
the
elements
into
the
front
facade.
C
B
C
Street
facade,
so
if
you
see
there's
the
entrance
at
grade
and
then
the
entrance
to
the
courtyard
is
there
and
the
parking
is
there
Queen,
Street
facade
again,
so
there's
the
stairs,
Queen
Street
facade
again
and
how
it
fits.
As
you
know,
there
are
height
restrictions
in
the
downtown
core
to
preserve
views
of
the
Parliament
Buildings
and
the
peace
tower,
and
this
complies
with
all
of
those
restrictions.
C
C
C
Commercial
buildings
are
the
rhythm
of
the
historic
storefronts
along
the
street
will
be
recreated,
the
existing
facade
composition
will
also
be
recreated
and
it
further
complies
because
the
building
er
is
compatible
in
terms
of
height
and
design.
The
Heritage
facade
will
be
enhanced
and
the
taller
section
I
will
be
physically
removed
from
the
lower
scale
streetscape
of
sparc
street
and
is
separated
from
by
a
link.
C
There
was
a
cultural
heritage,
can
impact
statement
that
was
initially
conducted
for
the
first
project
and
updated
to
reflect
the
this
project
with
II
was
we
assembled
the
reassembly
of
the
elements
into
the
front
facade,
and
the
conclusion
was
that
the
Ashcroft
Holmes
project
respects
part
Street,
surviving
building
groupings
protects
the
visible
diversity
of
the
area.
Sorry
typo,
we
establishes
commercial,
vitality,
increases,
pedestrian
movement
and
inserts
a
compatible
new
frontage
on
SPARC.
Street.
C
I
should
add
at
this
at
this
point
that
this
conservation
approach
has
been
to
the
NCC
and
has
received
the
approval
of
the
NCC.
We
have
a
signed
letter,
but
supporting
and
and
acknowledging
that
they
that
the
conservation
method
will
be
different,
and
that
was
what
we
were
waiting
for
was
indication
that
the
NCC
supported
this
consultation
heritage.
Ottawa
was
notified
of
the
application
neighbors
within
30
metres
of
the
property
and
centre
town
citizens.
Community
Association
was
notified
of
the
application.
A
Question
is
really
relevant
to
the
application.
Is
just
a
quick
one.
Reading
the
cultural
heritage
about
statement,
there's
a
picture
in
the
building
that
speaks
to
that
the
windows
were
changed
in
1897.
Do
you
know
why
it
was
there
any
an
indication
why
I
mean
that
the
building
before
was
quite
quite
attractive?
Is
it
soon
to
see
why
the
windows
replaced
with
it
with
the
three
you
know
large,
it's.
C
Very
interesting
to
look
at
the
progress
of
this
building
from
its
initial
construction
through
to
the
1920s,
because
there
were
a
number
of
building
programs
that
really
changed
his
character
and
I
think
that
that
just
reflects
the
aspirations
of
the
owners
at
the
time
that
they,
you
know
it
switched
uses
to
it
was
started.
Commercial
became
a
theater
and
every
time
there
was
a
new
use,
I
think
his
spark
street
was
the
main
business
street
and
they
wanted
to
continue
to
have
a
contemporary
and
modern
building.
A
B
D
First,
first
of
all,
I'm
here
speaking
for
myself,
though,
of
course
I
support.
The
position
of
heritage
Ottawa
on
this
and
Java
has
generally
raised
the
concern
about
maintenance,
neglected
buildings
like
this,
and
this
one
was
neglected
for
many
years.
I
I
certainly
support
preserving
all
the
parts
of
the
facade
that
are
that
have
been
identified,
particularly
the
windows
and
elements
and
maintaining
the
appearance
of
what
I
consider
to
be
a
very
important
retail
presents
ounce
park
suite
this
building
existed
with
storefronts
on
SPARC
Street
for
more
than
130
years.
D
That's
I
think
longer
than
any
other
address
on
SPARC
Street
in
continuous
retail
operation
and
incubated
many
of
SPARC
streets
most
important
businesses.
It
was
a
rental
property,
so
people
were
in
it
for
a
certain
number
of
years,
in
many
cases
before
moving
and
building
their
own
presences,
and
it's
some
of
the
most
famous
businesses
on
spike
Street,
the
very
earliest
from
eighteen.
D
As
for
councillor
muffets
question
about
why
that
reconstruction,
there
was
a
massive
fire
on
sparks
Street,
which
destroyed
the
entire
retail
block
east
of
this
building
and
the
reconstruction
of
one
time
to
116
immediately
followed
that
fire.
So
my
guess
is
that
the
building
was
weakened
by
the
fire
which
started
in
the
back
of
the
immediately
adjoining
property
and
just
swept
down
the
block
and
destroyed
a
lot
of
important
property
after
the
reconstruction.
D
Building
a
little
further
down
the
street
er
officiating
is
there
for
30
years,
including
passing
on
the
business
to
bud
Fischer
before
moving
across
the
street
into
their
own
building
in
1948,
after
which
Jack's
no
genius
was
there.
Jack
Snow
was
the
sponsor
of
some
of
Ottawa's,
most
important
events.
D
So
it
really
is
important.
The
other
thing
is
that
the
upper
floors
weren't
actually
offices.
They
were
factories,
they
were
tearing
tearing
factories
were
trimming
and
had
factories
since
Henry
Sims
operated
the
manufacturing
process
in
the
whole
of
the
upstairs
part
of
that
building
there
were,
there
were
other
operations
over
the
years.
D
So
the
building
has
a
huge
number
of
historical
associations,
and
one
thing
I
would
like
to
see
and
I
think
it
was
mentioned
in.
One
of
the
reports
was
that
when
the
facade
is
reinstated,
there
should
also
be
a
historic
explanation
of
this
building
and
the
role
that
it
played
it's
right
at
the
geographic
heart
of
the
sparks
free
commercial
district
between
bank
and
elegant
and
and
so
from
that
point,
it's
it's.
It's
very
important.
I
think
that
that
that's
all
I
wanted
to
say
about
it,
except
one
thing
from
a
construction
point
of
view.
D
D
That
hasn't
been
mentioned,
because
the
few
studies
that
have
been
done
of
the
interior
have
actually
observed
the
existence
of
massive
steel,
girders
and
I
think
that
they
are
there,
because
the
small
amount
of
brickwork
woodstove
are
on
the
front
of
the
building,
couldn't
possibly
support
the
structure
that
you
see
today.
In
fact,
in
1896
I
think
it
was
converted
into
a
seal
frame,
building
or
wrought
iron
frames
by
insertion
of
a
whole
lot
of
structure.
That
will
be
interesting
as
the
building
is
taken
down.
I've
said
a
lot
so,
but
thank
you
and.
B
It's
all
been
very
interesting.
I,
remember
the
first
time
that
this
report
came
forward.
We
had
was
the
granddaughter
or
the
niece
of
the
the
gentleman
who
built
the
theater
and
Sally
did
reach
out
to
her
to
see
if
she
wanted
to
come
back
today,
but
she
said
she
was
still
doing
some
research,
so
I'm
really
very
glad
that
you
did
because
that's
exactly
why
we
have
it
built
heritage.
B
Anyone
have
any
questions
for
mr.
genes,
thanks
for
coming
out
and
we'll
see
you
on
the
next
item.
Anyone
have
any
questions
for
mr.
Lahey
other
than
this.
A
good
job
I
wanted
to
thank
a
man
art
from
the
NCC
for
coming
out
today,
thanks
Ann,
this
is
good
news,
I
really
and
eat
when
Barry
Podolski's
going
like
this.
This
is
a
really
good
sign
there.
You
know
this
is
really
good
news.
It's
really
good
news
for
the
city.
B
It's
important
part
of
our
history
for
sure,
and
it's
about
time
that
we
had
this
kind
of
investment.
I
think
in
the
spark
street
I
think
that
it
could
be
a
game
changer
for
them.
So
it's
exciting,
we'll
watch
for
the
progress
and
also
bringing
new
life
to
it,
to
changing
a
parking
lot
into
into
something
that
is
quite
attractive
and
having
that
walk
through
I
mean
I.
B
Think
that
that's
something
that
we
should
be
striving
for
I
would
have
liked
if
there,
even
though
with
our
crummy
weather,
if
there
was
an
ability
to
have
it
outdoors,
but
at
least
when
you
walk
through
there
is
that
kind
of
stairwell.
That
is
open,
that
that
gives
I
think
movement
and
face
to
to
a
downtown
and
I
like
it,
where
I
see
it
in
other
cities.
So
thank
you
and
so
on.
The
report
is
that
caring.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
okay.
So
our
next
item
is.
B
B
C
D
D
Scott
I
think,
is
an
underrated
architect.
He
was
the
first
chief
architect
of
Canada
and
the
of
the
Department
of
Public
Works
and
how
the
department
was
to
be
created.
He
hired
the
21,
or
so
draftsman
and
architects,
that
that
created
it
and
he
ran
it
for
ten
years
during
which
the
Second
Empire
star
was
firmly
established
as
the
Dominion
style
for
Canadian
architecture.
No,
he
isn't
attributed
responsibility
for
that,
because
the
general
feeling
is
that
it
would
have
happened
anyway.
D
Bartholomew's
Church
in
Edinburgh,
which
he
designed
in
in
1868
the
summer
house
behind
the
Center
Park
of
the
Parliament
building,
which
is
now
the
National
we
are
equation
of.
It
is
the
National
Police
memorial,
the
Library
of
Parliament
was
completed
under
his
supervision
because
it
wasn't
done
during
the
the
Thomas.
D
So
he
made
a
significant
contribution
to
the
creation
of
the
National
Gallery.
He
came
to
Canada
as
a
railway
architect.
He
was
from
the
part
of
Britain
where
the
the
contractors
for
the
Grand
Trunk
Railway
established
their
manufacturing
works
to
build
the
Grand
Trunk
in
mid
1850s.
He
lived
in
Birkenhead,
which
was
where
they
were
located.
There
is
an
L
and
the
Dictionary
of
Canadian
boundary,
which
says
that
he
married
the
sister
of
the
sorry,
the
daughter
of
the
locomotive
manager
for
the
Grand
Trunk
and
that's
how
he
got
his
work
with
the
Grand
Trunk.
D
In
fact,
he
married
the
the
his
wife's
brother
was
the
locomotive
manager
and
his
father-in-law
was
one
of
the
most
important
railway
contractors
in
British
history.
A
partner
of
Thomas
brassy,
William
Mackenzie,
who
put
railways
all
over
and
canals
all
over
Britain
and
all
over
France
and
Scott
came
from
a
long
legacy
of
involvement
with
the
railways
and
had
a
much
bigger
role
with
the
Grand
Trunk
than
is
is
mentioned
in
the
biography,
where
it
only
attributes
eight
stations
that
he
designed
along
mr.
Lawrence
River.
D
But
he
also
designed
Bonaventure
station
the
main
station
in
Montreal
Toronto's,
Union,
Station
of
1873
and
Winnipeg
CPR
station
of
1882
and
many
other
things.
He
was
an
important
church
architect.
The
report
does
mention
that
he
supervised
the
building
of
christchurch
cathedral
in
montreal
when
the
original
architect
died,
and
that
was
obviously
very
good.
Preparation
for
his
being
able
to
supervise
the
gothic
gem
of
the
library
of
parliament,
which
would
would
would
have
been
very
hard
to
do
with
no
experience
in
Gothic
architecture
where
Scott
got
his
learning.
D
His
grand
tour
of
Europe
he's
documented
in
sketchbooks
of
his
admin
at
the
Library
Archives
Canada,
to
have
visited
10
cities
of
northern
Italy
and
six
and
in
Germany,
where
he
sketched
ordered
watercolors
of
over
750
buildings
or
elements
of
buildings
which
he
used
to
guide
his
his
his
architectural
work.
He
was
a
fabulously
scale,
dark
artist,
and
that
is
not.
That
is
not
mentioned
in
any
of
the
biographical
information
about
him.
D
I've
known
it
for
many
years
and
I've
of
Cathedral,
Hill
and
Ashburn
and
Hill
are
the
location
of
a
heritage,
walking
tour
which
going
awkward
and
I
put
together
for
Heritage
Ottawa
some
years
ago,
which
did
include
this
building,
even
though
it
wasn't
designated.
So.
Thank
you
very
much
and
please
support
this
designation
thanks.
B
A
It's
one
last
Viper's
was
was
why
she
would
make
that
part.
You
might
have
known.
It
was
a
sparse
tree.
98,
their
team
I've
ever
ever
actually
died
in
a
car
accident.
He
was
used
to
drive
a
bread
truck
and
I
just
know.
I
only
thought
about
I
take
is
we're
dealing
sparks.
We
dealt
with
it
before,
but
for
some
reason
I,
don't
think
very,
very
much.
We
don't.
A
B
I'm
wondering
who
is
delivering
bread
for
was
more
than
a
month
around
then
I
think
that's
a
little
bit
early
for
them
or
isn't
it
well?
1913
I
think
that's
a
little
bit
before
more
some
of
the
moths,
but
anyway
I
probably
know
more
about
Morris
Lamont
than
anybody
else
in
the
room.
So
anyway.
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
gene.
So
anyone
else
have
any
comments
on
this.
B
This
is
I.
Have
a
question.
I
was
just
saying
that
to
councillor
Moffat
I
found
it
remarkable
how
high
the
basement
was.
I
know,
that's
one
of
the
features
you
mentioned,
but
in
that
time
that
must
have
been
very
different.
I
look
at
the
house
beside
it
and
it
looks
like
it's
quite
close.
I
mean
when
people
didn't
use
a
basement
for
what
people
normally
nowadays.
Would
you
know
with
you
know,
as
a
rec
room
and
stuff
like
that
it
was
more
for
storage,
it
probably
didn't
have
any
cement
floors
in
it.