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From YouTube: Built Heritage Sub-Committee – March 3, 2014
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B
I
almost
feel
like
I
need
to
put
a
seatbelt
on
today
or
something
well.
We've
got
a
full
room
and
so
I'm
going
to
welcome
everyone
to
the
March.
The
third
meeting
of
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
of
City
of
Ottawa
welcome
everyone.
Thank
you
for
attending.
If
you
are
interested
in
speaking
on
any
of
the
items
before
us
today,
there
are
two
lovely
ladies
over
there
waiting
to
take
your
name
and
and
and
bring
that
forward
and
we'll
make
sure
to
call
you
forward.
B
Okay?
So
now
what
we're
going
to
do?
We'll
have
the
minutes
here,
minutes
from
February
12th
and
minutes
12
from
February
13th
in
2014.
That's
almost
at
12,
13
14
and
any
big
changes.
Or
can
we
carry
those
carried?
Thank
you
so
now
onto
the
agenda.
The
first
item
is
the
application
for
demolition
of
Bradley's
general
store.
We
have
no
one
signed
up
to
speak,
but
we
are
going
to
hold
that
for
comments
by
the
from
the
ward
councillor
number
two:
the
application
to
demolish
and
construct
a
new
structure
at
7,
Clarence
Street.
B
We
have
speakers
on
that,
so
we'll
be
holding
that
one.
The
addition
of
30
Oriole
Drive
to
the
City
of
Ottawa
Heritage
Register.
Do
we
have
speakers
on
that
I
believe
so
we
have
speakers
so
I'll
be
holding
that
and
on
number
4
is
the
application
to
alter
to
69
McCloud
Street,
a
property
designator
in
part
5
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
and
located
in
the
center
town
Heritage
Conservation
District.
We
have
no
speakers.
I
know
that
we
have
representatives
of
the
applicant.
B
If
anyone
has
any
questions
or
would
the
committee
care
to
carry
that
carry
okay?
Thank
you.
So
if
you're
here
for
McCloud
Street
you're
free
to
leave,
thank
you
okay.
So
we
will
go
back
to
we'll
go
back
to
item
number.
One
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
a
few
words,
because
we
have
to
significant
properties
here
before
us
today,
not
that
oil
isn't
but
we're
talking
about
in
heritage
heritage
buildings
and
to
communities
that
have
been
very,
very
active
in
communicating
with
us
and
having
their
say
and
addressing
their
concerns
and
their.
B
We
know
our
committee,
our
staff,
know
that
they're
very
important
to
the
Statesville
community
and
certainly
at
the
Byward
market,
and
both
of
them
today
are
applying
for
a
demolition,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
the
ward
councillor
to
intro
Statesville,
because
we
have
had
so
much
communication
on
it
and
then,
if
anyone
has
any
questions,
that's
that's
good
because
we
do
have
people
we
have.
We
have
representatives
to
speak
to
the
consultant
that
we
didn't
have
the
last
time
they
that
made
the
comments
on
the
conditions
etc.
Should
you
wish
to
do
that?
Councillor
Qadri.
B
C
C
The
East
facade,
the
north
and
south
facade
there's
still
issues
with
those
facade
that
she
would
have
to
repair
and
going
forward,
and
one
of
those
concerns
is
on
the
facade.
That's
facing
the
east
side
of
the
building,
which
is
being
painted
about
three
or
four
times,
and
what
the
engineers
seem
to
suggest
that
if
you
were
to
save
that
facade,
that's
going
to
create
compromise
on
the
bricks
themselves
and
once
that's
happened
or
if
that
happens
then
to
get
the
replacement
bricks
would
be
from
the
other
parts
of
the
building
in
a
game
house.
C
C
C
I'll
just
point
a
couple
items,
not
a
heretic
evaluation
of
the
potential
to
integrate
existing
building
listed
in
Figure
eight
will
be
required
with
a
site
plan
application
for
a
property
within
the
precincts.
So
if
another,
really
another
person
comes
up
to
develop
a
property
on
this,
the
area
that's
identified
as
a
historic
area,
then
they
would
be,
as
it
suggests,
requested
to
incur
for
incorporate
some
of
the
features
of
the
building
that
are
already
existing
under
the
built
heritage.
Section
which
is
4.1
in
this
design.
C
Guidelines
will
be
prepared
to
encourage
infill
development
that
is
compatible
with
adjacent
buildings.
The
design
guidelines
will
offer
a
means
of
conserving
and
cohesiveness
of
existing
streetscape
types
and
discouraging
incompatible
in
field
development.
So
basically
what
that
says
it,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
that
anything
going
forward
in
this
site
would
be
looking
for
features
that
are
currently
existing
on
this
building,
and
one
of
those
features
that
you
can
say
you
know
if
you
looked
at
the
pictures
in
the
report
in
its
days
gone
by
this
building
had
gable
features.
This
building
had
some
awning
features.
C
C
This
will
be
a
good
piece
to
start
with,
in
order
to
regenerate
that
Main
Street,
going
forward,
keeping
in
mind
all
this
current
characters
on
that
part
of
this
Main
Street,
you
know
in
terms
of
the
Heritage
features
and
so
on.
I
think.
The
other
thing
we
can
do
also
is
with
the
new
developer
coming
in
is
maybe
as
to
see
if
we
can
incorporate
some
of
the
materials
if
they're
salvageable
into
the
new
building.
C
As
I
said
at
the
last
meeting,
create
a
book
by
log
of
this
building
internally,
as
well
as
externally,
as
well
as
in
history
and
I,
think
that
would
be
something
that
could
be
viewed
at
a
library,
for
example,
on
an
ongoing
basis.
So,
madam
chair,
what
I
would
suggest
is
you
know
I
would
support
the
staffs
recommendation
on
this
particular
item
this
morning
and
I
wait
for
any
further
discussion
by
the
committee.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
B
Very
much
and
again
we
have
heard
from
so
many
people
and
so
many
organizations
within
Statesville
and
in
Google
in
the
former
Coburn
Township,
and
that
really
appreciate
all
of
the
input
that
we've
had
from
everyone
from
the
start.
This
has
been
sad
when
we
heard
the
day
of
the
fire
for
sure
and
the
concern
that
we've
had
that's
the
built
heritage
committee.
Does
anyone
on
the
committee
have
any
questions
of
any
of
the
people
that
are
here?
B
B
Thanks
for
and
please
thank
your
your
community
members
and
Representatives
as
you
work
with
them
on
the
on
the
Statesville
Main
Street
community
sign
plan.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
So
now
we're
going
on
to
number
two
number
two,
which
is
seven
clearance
Street
we
are
going
to
have
a
presentation
on
this.
B
B
And
before,
while
you're,
getting
ready,
I
just
like
to
make
a
few
brief
remarks
in
regards
the
application
of
seven
Clarence.
Street.
Clearly,
I
think
that
we
can
do
better
in
our
communications
on
these
very
important
heritage
properties.
But
I
would
say
that
we
have
learned
a
lot
and
come
a
long
way
since
the
days
of
Locke
and
any
of
you
and
some
of
you
come
to
every
single
meeting
of
built
heritage.
And
we
appreciate
that.
But
the
interest
is
has
never
been
higher.
B
I
would
say
with
regard
to
heritage
and
its
significance
and
importance
in
our
city.
So
they
we
are
sincerely
concerned
about
the
heritage
properties
in
the
neighborhoods
that
they
are
in
and
we
believe
in
the
case
of
the
properties
that
are
under
the
jurisdiction
of
the
National
Capital
Commission,
that
they
do
to
the
city's
become
aware
of
the
structural
problems
at
seven
clearance,
which
is
a
heritage
building.
And
it's
in
the
heart
of
the
Byward
market.
B
Heritage
conservation,
district
and
most
of
you
in
the
room
know
that
hoarding
has
been
in
place
to
protect
the
public
as
the
building
has
structural
problems.
And
there
is
concern
about
possible
collapse
late
in
2013,
the
NCC
indicated
that
it
would
be
seeking
to
demolish
the
building
because
of
its
concern
for
public
safety.
It
shared
all
of
its
studies
with
the
structures
on
the
armed
structure,
with
staff
at
the
safe.
B
So
on
December
the
18th
of
last
year,
the
planning
and
growth
management
department
made
the
decision
to
hire
an
engineer
to
independently
review
the
NCC's
information,
as
we
do
from
time
to
time.
An
analysis
of
the
building's
condition
and
the
Andie's
NCC
was
happy
to
accommodate
this
and
allowed
our
staff
and
our
consulting
engineer,
who
many
of
you
know,
as
well
as
John
cook
access
to
the
site
and
to
to
do
their
reports.
Then,
in
January,
C
staff
and
mr.
B
cook
met
with
the
NCC
staff,
an
engineer
at
the
site
and
examined
the
building
and
on
January
14th.
The
heritage
planning
staff
met
at
the
NCC
with
the
Commission's
design
team,
including
the
architect,
for
a
proposed
building
at
the
site.
On
January
22nd,
the
city,
received
mr.
cooks
report
on
the
building,
indicating
it
was
not
in
danger
of
an
imminent
collapse
but
substantiating
the
NCC's
main
points.
The
city
conveyed
this
information
to
the
NCC
On
February,
the
3rd.
B
The
city
received
an
application
under
the
entero
Heritage
Act
for
demolition
of
the
building
and
proposing
a
new
addition
at
the
address.
The
key
word
being
addition
on
February
13th,
a
new
CEO
of
the
NCC
mr.
mark
Christmas
enmet
at
City
Hall
with
myself
and
I,
think
mark
Elster
flurry
was
there
and
some
of
our
staff.
This
was
shortly
after
he
had
been
named.
B
Buildings
that
are
under
the
jurisdiction
of
the
NCC
I
can
tell
you
that
we
all
absolute
with
absolute
certainty
that
there
is
an
willingness
for
change,
including
one
thing
that
I
asked
is
you
know
you
have
work
plans?
You
know
we're
going
to
be
well.
Actually
the
comment
was
say:
we're
going
to
be
doing
a
lot
of
work
in
the
in
our
properties
in
the
private
market
area
and
the
Sussex
area
in
that,
and
we
have
work
plans
in
that.
B
I
said:
why
don't
we
discuss
those
I
think
that's
important
that
we
know
the
amount
of
input
that
would
be
financially
an
effort
that
the
NCC
is
going
to
be
putting
into
these
buildings
and
I.
Think
that
is
important,
that
the
public
knows
that
and
I
think
that
we're
what
with
every
meeting
what
I
take
away
is
that
we
could
have
done
it
a
little
bit
better
to
better,
communicate
back
and
forth
between
you
and
the
audience
and
us
here.
B
So
I
am
yeah
sooner
and
you
can
tell
from-
and
this
is
why
I've
actually
gone
over
all
of
these
points
and
these
dates
to
show
you
the
amount
of
work,
that's
gone
into
getting
us,
but
really
I.
Think
where
we,
where
I
certainly
was
aware
that
we
could
have
done
better
is
when
there
was
such
surprise
and
concern
and
with
with
the
application
itself.
So.
B
So
I
thought
that
was
important,
that
you
know
that
too,
and
my
personal
view
is
that
if
we
work
in
cooperation
with
the
National
Capital
Commission,
which
has
stewardship
over
so
many
properties
heritage
properties
in
Ottawa,
we
can
do
more
to
protect
the
heritage
of
this
capital
city.
So
Sally,
are
you
ready
to
roll
with
your
presentation?
Thank
you
for
allowing
you
that
little
bit
of
conversation,
you
know
I
tend
to
be
one
that
is
quick
with
the
committee's
and
they
don't
want
to
do
it
or
believe
it.
B
D
D
Excuse
me
this
is:
this
is
the
building
in
after
1915
it
was
originally
constructed
as
a
three
storey
building
attached
and
built
as
an
addition
to
the
building
on
Sussex
Drive
at
461
463
in
the
1880s
in
the
early
20th
century,
the
roof,
the
original
roof
of
the
larger
building
the
larger
portion
of
the
building
was
removed
and
a
mansard
was
applied
to
create
additional
space
in
the
Attic.
D
D
D
D
So
as
it's
linked
in
this
is
a
view
also
facing
northwest,
but
a
little
farther
east,
around
Clarence
Street,
taken
on
Saturday
just
to
to
give
an
idea
of
the
streetscape
and
the
interplay
of
the
buildings,
the
American
Embassy
and
here
now,
because
of
the
safety
concerns,
there's
now
a
net
around
here.
So
if
it,
if
it
collapsed,
it
would
not
actually
collapse
onto
onto
the
sidewalk
or
into
the
square.
D
D
There
were
no
buildings
to
its
east
and
in
the
last
15
years
there
have
been
there's
been
new
construction
to
the
east.
Further
enclosing
the
courtyard
in
giving
it
a
sense
of
place,
increased
sense
of
enclosure,
so
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
the
property
is
designated
under
part,
five
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
and
in
Heritage
Conservation,
District
and
application
to
demolish
a
designated
heritage.
Buildings
require
City
Council
approval
and
the
application
for
new
construction
in
in
a
heritage
conservation
district
requires
City
Council
approval.
So
that
is
what
is
in
front
of
you
today.
D
And
as
councillor
chair
hardier
explained
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
their
husband
a
lot
of
concern
and
a
lot
of
is
of
the
condition
of
of
the
building
at
7:00
clarity
at
7:00
Clarence.
The
NCC
engineer
mr.
Jokinen
conducted
studies,
which
determined
that,
because
of
the
poor
initial
quality
of
the
stone
and
mortar
the
end,
the
age
of
at
the
age
of
the
building
and
and
the
construction
techniques.
D
And
this
was
as
it
was
constructed
very
much
as
in
addition
to
a
much
finer
building,
have
meant
that
the
building
has
reached
the
end
of
its
lifecycle.
As
countless
chair
harder
said
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
this
was
that
that
we
agreed
with
this
and
the
NCC
agreed
to
a
meeting
between
the
John
cook
and
engineer
hired
by
the
city
and
mr.
Jokinen
on
site
in
early
January.
I
was
there,
as
were
many
people,
helping
us
to
understand
the
building
from
a
National,
Capital
Commission.
D
So
this
is
a
this
is
the
East
facade
which
shows
that,
although
the
front
facade
is
dress
stone,
as
you
could
see
in
my
earlier
pictures,
this
is
rough
rough
cut,
stone
laid
in
uneven
courses.
One
of
the
things
that
the
reports
reveal
is
that
they
in
between
the
walls.
There
are
two
two
layers
of
stone
and
in
between
the
walls
of
the
two
layers,
there
are
piles
of
sand
where
the
mortar
has
disintegrated
and
fallen
to
the
bottom.
In
addition,
usually
in
a
you
know,
ball
construction
like
this.
D
D
Analysis
and
because
the
building
is
now
parts
of
it
are
unsafe,
it
was
harder
for
and
shrouded
in
tarpaulins
with
the
wires
in
them.
It
was
harder
for
mr.
Cook
to
to
get
a
thorough
analysis,
and
so
all
the
previous
findings
of
the
NCC
were
shared
with
him,
so
he
could
do
his
visual
analysis,
but
also
use
their
reports.
So
he
had
a
clear
picture
of
the
condition
of
the
building.
D
D
And
included
in
the
report
to
committee
and
council
has
recommends.
The
conclusion
is
that
that,
while
the
building
that
this
one
may
be
salvaged
and
concerned,
it
would
be
expensive
and
require
major
intervention.
Once
the
hard
exterior
motor
is
removed,
there
could
be
extensive
stone
damage
and
he
goes
on
to
say.
As
a
result,
my
recommendation
would
be
to
document
the
building
for
historical
record
and
demolish
it
and
then
again
to
an
he
does
disagree
on
one
matter
with
with
the
NCC's
engineer.
That
is
the
eminence
of
its
collapse.
D
This
is
a
site
plan
of
the
proposed
of
the
proposed
building,
and
you
can
see
here
that
this
dotted
line
is
the
footprint
of
the
existing
building,
and
this
two
meters
wider,
is
the
proposed
building
the
the
building
is.
This
is
subject
to
site
plan
control
and
so
that
in
that
process
is
underway
and
will
be,
and
the
application
will
be
completed
and
submitted
prior
to
the
consideration
of
this
report
at
Planning
at
City
Council.
D
D
So
this
is
an
Ella
elevations
of
the
street,
with
the
Racine
was
a
new
addition
proposed.
It
is
a
simple
glass
box,
with
translucent
glass
at
the
top
and
an
open
glass
at
the
bottom.
It
was
designed
to
for
its
for
the
division
between
the
first
and
second
storey
to
match
the
corners
of
the
existing
building,
and
there
is
a
definite
break
between
the
new
construction
and
the
old.
D
You
will
remember
you've
seen
breaks
like
at
to
distinguish
between
the
two
parts,
the
building-
that
is
a
feature
that
you
will
have
seen
in
arts
court,
which
you
supported
in
in
July
and
also
in
the
OCO
and
the
reconstruction
of
the
Ogilvy's
buildings.
These
are
these.
The
this
device
to
separate
new
and
old
is
often
referred
to
as
a
so
again,
the
building
is
lower
than
the
it
meets,
the
eaves
of
the
building
to
which
it
is
adjacent,
and
the
courtyard
here
is,
and
the
opening
remains
from
from
the
interior
of
the
courtyard.
D
D
D
And
this
these
are
pictures
of
the
courtyard.
This
is
the
courtyard
today,
as
you
see
it,
looking
north
to
the
Notre
Dame
Basilica,
it's
a
kind
of
a
dark
picture,
so
you
can't
see
the
tin
house
court
there,
and
this
is
to
the
south
note
to
the
north.
This
is
the
south,
so
like
many
courtyards
in
the
in
the
Byward
market
system
of
courtyards,
it
has
varying
size
of
entrances
across
the
streets.
The
courtyards
that
are
in
the
institution
duct
are
metre
wide
farther
north.
D
The
Byward
market
heritage
conservation
districts
address
in
fill
in
in
the
Heritage
Conservation
District
important
in
that
new
work
in
an
area
like
this
must
respect
the
existing
scale
material
in
form
of
the
district's.
It
should
be
of
its
own
time,
designed
in
a
contemporary
vernacular
consistent
with
the
traditions
of
the
area,
the
in
field
guide.
Those
are
general
principles.
D
The
info
guidelines
are
replicate
the
pattern
of
retail
at-grade,
which
this
would
do,
retailer
commercials
separate
the
first
and
second
floors
by
a
secondary
cornice,
which
this
does
make
storefronts
fee
about
nine
meters
wide
to
the
new
storefront,
is
about
nine
meters,
wide,
ensure
that
setbacks
and
height
respect
adjacent
heritage
properties.
This
is
lower
than
the
eaves
of
the
building
to
which
it
is
attached
and
is
lower
in
height
than
the
addition
heritage
property.
D
The
blackthorn
to
the
to
the
east
and
maintain
courts
and
mid
brought
pedestrian
linkages,
which
this
does
standards
and
guidelines
of
Parks
Canada
City
Council
approves
Parks
Canada
standards,
guidelines
and
standard.
One
is
conserved,
the
heritage,
value
of
an
historic
place
and
sander
11.
These
are
is
conserved.
The
heritage
value
when
creating
new
additions,
make
the
new
work
physically
and
visually
compatible
with
subordinate
to
and
distinguishable
from
the
historic
place.
D
And
although
this
building
is
is
a
expressed
in
glass,
the
the
it
is
transparent
on
the
bottom,
but
the
glass
on
the
top
is
gray
and
blends
in
with
the
stone
construction
to
the
west
and
is
complementary
to
the
brick
construction
of
the
blackthorn
restaurant
to
the
east.
The
provincial
policy
statement
addresses
heritage
conservation
and
says
built
heritage
resources
and
cultural
landscapes
shall
be
conserved
in
this
instance.
D
We
we
regret
that
the
building
has
been
determined
not
to
be
salvageable,
but
certainly
the
cultural
heritage
landscape
of
the
Byward
market
and
will
be
conserved
by
the
insertion
of
a
building
that
is
generally
the
same
size
and
location.
It's
interesting
that
courthouse.
The
courthouse
courtyard
system
in
the
Byward
market
is
much
beloved,
a
recent
intervention,
but
it
is
part
of
the
cultural
heritage
landscape
of
the
Byward
market
now
and
that
will
also
be
conserved.
D
They
have
written
to
so
conclusion
that
the
department
supports
this
application,
because
two
engineers,
with
expertise
in
heritage
building
conservation
agreed
that
could
not
be
retained
having
reached
the
end
of
its
life
cycle
and
that
it's
met
the
acd
guidelines.
The
standards
and
guidelines
has
regard
for
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
conserves
the
heritage
value
of
the
Byward
market.
It's
an
historic
place.
D
B
B
The
first
ones
up,
it's
the
NCC
representatives,
Christopher
Winsky
project
manager,
David
Scarlett
and
Sandra
pay
sec.
You've
all
come
forward,
please
you've
already
stirred
individually,
so
I'll.
Give
you
that
time
in
that
fashion,
I'll
give
you
time
not
necessarily
15
minutes
but
come
on
forward.
Do
you
have
a
presentation?
F
B
H
H
Clearly,
we
don't
take
lightly
the
fact
that
this
1870's
Warehouse
has
reached
a
loved
its
lifecycle,
despite
the
repairs
that
we've
gone
back
in
the
file
and
verified
all
our
engineering
studies,
drivers
to
the
conclusion
that
the
building
must
be
taken
down,
and
that
brings
us
to
the
question
of
what
do
we
do?
We
proposed
to
replace
seven
clearance
for
the
sensitively
designed
modern
structure,
the
respects
and
integrates
well
with
its
surrounding
heritage
character.
H
We
want
the
new
structure
to
be
an
excellent,
high-quality
intervention
that
upholds
the
bioroid,
help
market
heritage
conservation,
district
design
guidelines
and
the
court
concert
with
these
guidelines.
We
want
the
structure
to
be
similar
in
scale
and
to
not
only
preserve,
but
to
enhance
the
lovely
courtyard
it
was
actually
designed
from
the
outside
in.
We
were
concerned
about
the
floor
plate
and
the
functionality
inside
the
building,
but
very
informal
concerned
about
how
it
fits
in
the
streetscape
in
the
courtyard.
H
Our
intent
is
the
new
structure,
be
an
innovative,
energy-efficient
leap,
gold
standard
design
that
will
reuse
as
much
as
we
can
from
the
existing
building.
As
we
take
down
the
existing
building,
we
would
salvage
whatever
we
can
leading
up
to
today's
meeting.
We
share
the
proposed,
except
for
their
Board
of
Directors.
They
said
we'll
go
forward.
We've
also
presented
it
and
heard
critique
from
the
NCC's
advisory
committee
on
planning,
design
and
Realty.
This
committee
consists
of
Canadian
experts
in
urban
planning,
urban
design
and
architecture
they're
very
supportive
of
the
proposed
design.
H
We've
received
very
positive
feedback
from
some
of
the
community
who
plays
the
state
of
the
art
design,
but
in
the
stakeholders
made
over
70
24th.
We
also
heard
clearly
concerns
raised
about
I
knew
the
potential
tenants
might
be
the
noise,
the
commemorate
from
the
building
concerns
about
glare
and
lighting
and,
first
and
foremost,
the
materiality
of
the
structure
and
the
reduction
of
quarter
inches
so
seem
to
be
too
concerned.
These
raw
matters
were
revealed
carefully
by
artifical
a
commitment
to
meet
with
those
community
stakeholders.
Again
later
this
month,
our
CEO
dr.
H
mark
Kristensen
has
made
a
commitment
to
the
residents
tenants
businesses
to
make
every
effort
to
mature
the
team
house
courtyard
to
a
highest
art
of
aesthetics
and
functionality
as
expeditiously
as
possible,
taking
into
account
the
Heritage
character
of
the
area,
we're
happy
to
adjust
any
questions
you
might
have
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
B
I
I
Thank
you
for
your
presentation,
my
my
question
and
my
concern
is
refers
to
a
report
that
came
from
John,
Cook
and
I
refer
to
a
comment
you
made
that
the
I
said
had
reached
the
end
of
its
lifecycle,
which
I
I
find
troubling
and,
to
a
certain
extent,
because
I'm
I'm,
not
this
will
be
a
case
where
we've
lost
this
building,
but
I'm
not
sure
it's
we're
looking
at
it
the
loss
for
the
right
reasons.
It
seems
to
me,
based
on
this
report,
page
27
on
my
screen
here.
I
It
refers
to
interventions
that
were
done
in
the
1990s
and
the
engineer
uses
the
term.
Unfortunately,
this
mortar
was
shallow
and
no
attempt
was
made
to
consolidate
the
core
of
the
wall.
At
that
time,
I
gather
from
his
report
there
what
it
seems.
The
reason
we're
losing
the
building
is
because
mistakes
were
made
when
work
was
done
in
the
1990s.
The
mortar
that
was
used
was
not
lime,
rich,
which
is
what
is
traditionally
used
by
historic,
historic
restorations.
I
There's
a
lot
of
older
buildings
around
Lots
built
within
inferior
materials,
but
they're
still
around,
because
they've
been
properly
maintained,
so
I
think
that's
one
of
the
concerns
that
I
have
and
I
wonder.
Have
you
reviewed
this
report
and
are
you
aware
of
that,
and
was
there
any
discussion
as
to
what
the
mistake
was
made
and
I
guess
my
particular
concern
is
to
make
sure
this
didn't
happen
overnight.
In
fact,
mr.
Koch
is
suggesting
that
the
building
isn't
moving.
So
it's
not
in
Hindman
danger
of
collapse
and
I.
I
H
I'll
adjust
the
latter
part
of
the
statement
and
then
go
back
to
the
earlier
part.
We
have
an
ongoing
lifecycle,
inspection
program
at
the
NCC
for
heritage
building,
Simone
heritage
buildings.
We
try
and
go
through
them
on
a
regular
cycle
in
order
to
anticipate
what
might
be
the
capital
works
that
are
required
in
the
futures
planning.
In
fact,
the
exercise
that
sauce
discovered
the
structural
instabilities
that
seven
clearance
comes
from
just
that
program.
H
In
2007,
we
started
looking
at
the
line
of
mornings
along
sussex
when
we
extended
the
focus
to
seven
clients
in
2012,
looking
for
getting
together
the
plans
for
generalization
and
universal
access
upgrades.
So
with
the
question
how
many
others
are
there?
We
are
obviously
like
any
landowner
trying
to
anticipate
one
of
the
requirements
and
we
have
a
very
thorough
exercise
of
fanning
out
across
the
portfolios
to
make
sure
for
buildings,
bridges
and
so
forth.
H
We
understand
one
of
the
capital
requirements
that
are
on
the
horizon
with
regards
to
the
order
and
the
statement
that
is
in
mr.
cooks
report
he's
quite
right.
These
the
order
that
was
put
in
there
in
the
walls
in
the
1990s
was
a
hard
hard
order
that
was
holding
in
trapping
moisture
in
the
wall.
That
certainly
did
not
help.
H
But
if
you
read
that
report
in
the
joke
in
the
report
together,
what
you
get
is
the
characterization
with
the
initial
eighteen,
seven
building
was
relatively
low-grade
construction
as
an
addition,
the
the
the
materials
that
were
used,
and
certainly
the
technology
that
was
used,
made
it
vulnerable.
So
he's
talking
about
the
hard
Portland,
cement
type
mortars,
but
the
very
nature
of
the
wall,
with
the
cavity
where
were
losing
all
the
interiors,
the
Portland
cement
exacerbated
it.
But
it
is
not
the
part
of
the
cement
that
has
been
the
demise
of
the
building.
H
The
NCC
took
ownership
of
the
beldo
in
1961,
we
believe
from
the
records
who
have
come
back
through
our
files
to
look
at
cyclical
maintenance
that
had
been
done.
One
of
the
issues
that
has
played
into
it
is
that
we
had
a
tenant
in
there
from
in
the
70s
through
just
recently.
They
knew
they
had
to
be
moved
out
because
of
the
structural
instability
and
from
the
inside
we
were
not
doing
a
kind
of
destructive
inspections
from
the
outside.
The
repointing
was
being
done
cyclical
when
people
the
impression
that
it
was
stable.
J
J
Did
you
take
into
account
in
establishing
the
height
the
additional
height
to
this
building
that
from
views
along
Clarence,
you
would
be
obscuring
the
views
of
the
roof
that
was
done
in
that
the
reading
of
461
465
Sussex
as
a
mansard
roof
block,
because
you
can
see
from
the
view
is
not
this
particular
view.
But
so
the
question
is:
did
you
look
at
the
existing
height
of
the
building
and
proposed
additional
height
and
find
that
the
obscuring
of
views
was
of
no
consequence
to
you
and
is
or
why.
H
H
H
J
H
We
looked
at
the
massing
as
it
relates
to
certain
shade,
Villines,
streetscape
and
so
forth.
The
actual
the
actual
increase
in
width
relates
mostly
to
the
interior
floor
plan
needing
to
be
somewhat
wider
to
accommodate
universal
accessibility
requirements
and
I'll.
Point
out
that
the
Byward
market
heritage
conservation
guidelines
talk
about
it.
A
9
meter
street
frontage
by
increasing
was
2
meters
of
width.
We
feel
that
we're
not
eroding
the
views
into
the
courtyard
and
that,
in
fact,
in
some
ways
were
enhancing
the
overall
entrance
to
the
courtyard
experience
for
the
public
and
visitors
came.
J
And
the
third
question
really
has
to
do
with
the
materiality:
the
the
glass
box.
That's
been
proposed,
I'm
not
going
to
comment
any
Asafa
chol
question
about
this,
but
certainly
in
the
heritage,
character
statement
and
the
that
is
attributed
to
this
building.
There
are
eight
points
that
indicating
that
the
existing
seven
Clarence
has
a
series
of
attributes
and
that
the
policy
for
replacement
in
the
district
needs
to
give
regard
to
these
characters.
J
Character
statement
has
to
do
with
the
window
materiality
and
the
proposal
that
is
in
front
of
us
is
he
basically
obliterates
any
of
those
character,
defining
elements
and
I
guess.
My
question
is
when,
if
you
reconsider
the
design
as
I
understand,
is
being
entertained,
would
you
consider
a
change
in
materiality
that
is
being
proposed
to
better
reflect
the
Heritage
character,
define
statements
that
are
in
the
in
the
by
Road
market
district
I
lines.
H
Last
week,
I
was
actually
asking
my
colleagues
how
many,
how
many
schemes
did
we
study
to
end
up
with
what
we've
submitted
to
the
city
as
the
proposed
new
bill,
we
figured
that
it
was
somewhere
between
six
and
ten
schemes
that
we'd
put
together.
We,
our
starting
point,
was
schemes
that
have
a
lot
of
masonry
in
them
with
a
punched
window
format
with
time
as
we
developed
the
design,
we
concluded
that,
in
fact,
what
we're
putting
forward
to
the
city
at
this
point
had
more
benefits
than
going
with
the
conventional
stone
punched
window
approach.
H
J
Have
another
question,
and
that
is
that
both
461
465,
Sussex
and
7
Clarence
have
been
studied
by
the
federal
heritage
building
Review
office
people.
There
are
febrile
reports
on
both
these
buildings
and
my
understanding
is
that
they
are
designated
by
febrile
and
the
NCC
and
the
federal
policy
encourages
departments
that
possess
properties
of
America's
value
to
go
to
people-
and
you
know
this
very
well
yourself,
because
you're,
occasionally
a
member
of
FIFO,
did
you
go
to
febrile
and
seek
their
advice
on
this
proposed
addition.
H
The
policy
within
the
federal
government
I'll
point
out
that
the
federal
government
has
a
rigorous
kind
of
ferries,
a
criteria
for
determining
what
is
and
is
not,
fever
recognized.
It
was
great
interest.
I
saw
the
city's
process
and
the
female.
Here
we
have
instance
where
seven
clients
is
not
FEMA
recognized,
whereas
for
the
city
it
did
make
the
Heritage
classification
that
that
is
just
to
be
noted.
J
On
this
relating
to
people
and
clearly
there's
a
lot
of
concern
from
the
heritage
community
and
the
members
of
this
committee
need
to
have
you
know
sufficient
expert
opinion
on
it.
We
have
the
staff
report,
which
is
fun
good
but
which
you
prepared
to
voluntarily
go
to
febrile
and
ask
their
advice
on
the
you
know
on
the
proposed
addition,
because
they
have
national
mandate.
They've
done
a
report
on
the
building,
they've
done
a
report
on
for
61
or
65
and
the
others
on
Sussex.
J
It
would
seem
to
me
that
this
would
help
clear
the
air
very
easily
and
not
put
it
into
that
area
of
negotiation
of
subjectivity
so
that
there
was
a
fever
report,
you're
an
intervention
report,
and
you
did
that
voluntarily.
That
would
help
everybody,
including
the
the
city.
In
assessing
the
you
know,
the
merits
of
the
proposal.
H
It
would
be
extraordinary,
but
absolutely
it'd,
be
pleased
to
take
it
to
feed
off
that
assist
so
that
it
doesn't
only
fall
under
their
policy
that
they
would
be
do
an
interventional
view
on
an
on
heritage
building.
But
if
they'll
entertain
the
request
we
can
see
if
we
can
make
that
happen,
I
must
say
that
we
are
very
focused
on
the
stakeholder
meetings
that
we've
been
holding
and
we
look
forward
to
continuing
to
work
on
that
direction.
H
H
We
have
a
lot
of
diverse
advice
and
it's
amongst
many
of
the
options
that
are
on
the
table.
We've
got
people
that
are
saying
love
it.
We've
got
people
that
are
saying
that
they
don't
we've
got
people
saying,
do
it
do
it
as
you
shown
it,
others
saying
what
about
stone.
What
we
do
undertake
is
that,
over
the
next
weeks,
really
crucible
trying
to
get
ready
to
be
back
with
the
stakeholders
to
talk
about
what
is
the
what
is
appropriate
gestures,
given
the
feedback,
we're
getting
I,
don't
find.
B
So
at
that
point
between
now
and
then
I
think
there'd
be
time
for
the
discussion
between
the
city
staff
and
yourselves
on
what
kind
of
a
time
you'd
be
willing
to
agree
to
in
just
with
that
piece.
So
the
item
part
the
item
2
of
the
motion,
so
just
get
some
thought
to
that.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
for
coming
today.
Next
up,
we
have
put
my
glasses
on
they'll,
be
able
to
toe
ms/ms
Jerry
gray
spray.
Are
you
here.
B
K
Thank
you
I'm
been
very
interested
in
this
presentation.
My
reason
that
my
concerns
are
related
to
the
fact
I've
lived
in
the
market
area
since
the
early
eighties
and
I've
watched
how
buildings
and
facilities
and
spaces
have
changed,
sometimes
for
better,
sometimes
for
worse
but
I
I,
don't
wanna
do
a
policy
destruction
of
the
seven
clearance
for
safety
reasons.
I
am
concerned
that
the
building
should
retain
a
quality
that
is
similar
to
the
heritage
structure
that
is
now
there
and
when
I
look
at
the.
K
Very
out
of
keeping
with
other
buildings
in
the
area
other
than
you
know,
the
back
of
one
I
can't
remember
the
name
in
court.
The
lunch
place
on
off
of
York
Street.
As
you
enter
the
courtyard
there.
You
enter
the
courtyard
there,
there's
a
building,
that's
been
modernized,
but
it's
kind
of
hidden
and
it
looks
okay.
K
But
what
concerns
me
is
the
way
the
seating
will
in
coach
on
the
team,
courtyard
and
I
think
that
it's
something
to
be
considered
the
other
thing
to
be
considered-
and
this
is
something
that
bothers
me
even
more-
is
how
many
more
restaurants
do
we
need
in
the
market.
I
notice
memories
is
going
up
in
the
courtyard.
That
is
opposite.
It's
called
the
bose
arts
courtyard
and
that
building
to
needs
reconstruction
and
improvement.
K
It
sort
of
looks
like
that's
falling
apart,
so
I'm
concerned
how
about
more
restaurants
in
relationship
to
the
market
and
are
we
gonna
lose
the
flavors
of
the
farmer's
market
as
a
result
of
all
this
construction,
and
also
can
the
merchants
survive
the
competition?
These
are
the
others
and
questions
to
ask.
We
won't
have
one
memories
will
have
two
memories:
the
memory
that
has
passed
and
been
deconstruction
and
the
new
memories
that
will
be
the
restaurant.
That's
about
all
I
have
to
say
I
just.
B
B
K
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
listening
to
me
today
and
for
the
new
people
in
the
audience
I
here
to
represent
Heritage
Ottawa
I'm,
not
going
to
dwell
upon
the
reasons
for
demolition
of
this
building,
we're
all
distressed
that
it
has
come
to
this
state
I'd
like
to
focus
on
the
proposed
a
replacement
structure.
I
look
at
it,
both
from
the
perspective
of
its
positive
and
its
negative
impacts
on
the
Heritage
Conservation
District.
K
Miss
Coutts
walked
us
through
the
suite
of
policy
and
planning
documents
that
pertain
to
this
category,
one
building
which
has
a
heritage
overlay,
and
we
could
go
through
all
those
policy
and
planning
documents
all
over
again.
But
I
would
like
to
focus
on
the
Byward
market
guideline
that
states
newark
in
an
area
like
this
must
respect
the
existing
scale,
material
and
form
of
the
district.
However,
it
should
be
of
its
own
time,
designed
in
a
contemporary
of
an
ocular
consistent
with
the
traditions
of
the
area.
K
With
these
guidelines
in
mind
and
the
other
documents
in
the
policy
frameworks,
it's
clear
that
the
replacement
structure
proposed
by
the
National
Capital
Commission
is
appropriate
in
many
respects.
It's
smaller
scale
from
the
building
to
which
it
is
appended.
The
proposed
retention
of
a
party
wall
of
its
neighboring
building,
it
should
have
proved
feasible,
is
a
good
interior
feature,
keeping
in
mind
that
this
being
a
part,
5
designation,
nothing
about
the
interior
is
designated
there's
a
good
distinction
between
old
and
new
buildings,
and
it
has
a
very
pleasing,
pedestrian,
friendly
quality.
K
K
The
proposal
is
not
appropriate
at
all
in
terms
of
materials
and
fenestration.
The
Byward
market
is
characterized
by
materials
that
are
primarily
brick
and
stone,
and
the
streetscape
shown
on
the
right
illustrates
that
extremely
well.
Both
existing
heritage
properties
and
new
info
buildings
have
been
very
respectful
of
the
character
of
the
market.
There
is
no
tradition
of
glass
curtain
walls
in
the
market
and
the
fact
that
it
is
gray
does
not
replace
a
stone
building
which
has
been
commented
upon
in
the
cultural
heritage
impact
statement
as
a
significant
loss.
K
There
is
a
question
of
consistency
in
this
committee's
decisions
and
recommendations.
Very
recently,
this
committee
looked
at
an
NCC
property
and
SPARC
Street
and
affirmed
the
fact
that
the
materiality
and
fenestration
of
that
facade
was
so
important
that
it
needed
to
be
saved
and
I'm
simply
asking
for
consistency
in
this
committee's
recommendations.
K
Well,
kargh
events
have
been
made
for
glass.
We
have
yet
to
hear
an
argument
of
why
not
stone.
Why
not
stone.
There
are
many
examples
of
historic
and
modern
stone
buildings
that
are
of
their
times
and
respectful
of
their
context.
Should
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
feel
obliged
to
support
the
demolition
of
the
existing
structure.
B
You
for
coming
out
on
a
meeting
basis.
As
you
happen,
we
appreciate
your
input.
Always
I
wanted
to
to
say
that,
with
regard
to
the
the
properties
of
that
that
we
see
coming
forward
for
demolition-
and
you
and
I
have
had
a
discussion
about
the
fact
that
likely
for
the
next
couple
of
years
we're
going
to
see
more
what
we're
going
to
be
asked
to
demolish,
but
hopefully
the
work
that
were
undertaking
further
to
the
new
bylaw
last
year.
That
actually
only
went
into
effect
on
January
1.
We're
going
to
see
some
changes.
B
So
I've
asked
whether
or
not
we
can
have
a
report
come
forward
before
the
summer
on.
You
know
from
the
bylaw
the
part
meant,
and
certainly
miss
Gregoire's
building
services
and
with
Sally
and
her
team's
support
on
what
they
found
out.
What
they're
doing
about
it,
and
so
we'll
have
that
discussion
at
this
committee
for
information.
Well,.
K
F
Welcome
nature,
you
never
challenge
the
community.
My
name
is
Liz
Mackenzie
and
with
the
town
Community
Association
I
sit
on
their
planning
committee
I'm,
also
the
co-chair
of
a
Heritage
Committee
on
an
issue
of
demolition,
though
there
are
very
options
regarding
the
urgency,
two
opinions
regarding
the
urgency
to
demolish
the
building.
We
accept
eloquently
that
the
building
was
demolished
in
the
very
near
future.
F
Only
sure
design
of
the
replacement
structure
objections
were
affirmed
by
the
history
of
seven
clearance,
its
location
in
the
grouping
of
buildings
on
Clarence
and
Sussex,
and
it's
an
important
position
as
a
gateway
to
the
teen
court.
1500S
courtyard
protection
for
heritage
properties
is
provided
in
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
Emilia,
two
properties
in
the
historical
conservation
district
of
the
Byward
market,
in
the
Official
Plan
and
in
the
material
planning
policy
statement.
The
proposed
replacement
structure
does
not
respect
the
directives
in
these
documents.
F
In
our
opinion,
our
objections
fall
into
three
categories:
materials,
footplate,
facade
and
use
materials.
We
do
not
agree
that
the
proposed
building
is
sensitive
to
incompatible
with
nearby
heritage
buildings,
with
respect
to
scale
size,
a
lot
development
pattern,
subtypes
materials
and
details.
The
elevations
are
so
short
building
owners
entirely
made
of
glass.
This
is
not
consistent
with
the
intent
of
the
guidelines
that
call
for
consistency
with
building
materials.
Shisui
bill
details
on
historic
buildings
in
the
hdcd
such
a
glass
building
would
detract
from
his
historic
aesthetic
of
the
Byward
market.
F
The
second
point
is
scaling
for
plate
at
the
proposed
modern
brush
glass
shown
on
the
top
force
is
massive,
is
clearly
out
of
scale
with
surrounding
buildings.
It
is
taller
about
18%
and
wider
than
the
current
building.
The
LP
also
has
policies
to
protect
the
entrance
to
public
courtyards
and
the
pedestrian
circulation
system
parallel
to
Sussex
Drive.
It
contains
policies
to
expand
existing
courtyard
system.
F
Contrary
to
these
policies,
the
increased
footprint,
together
with
the
fenced-in
patio,
will
reduce
the
entrance
to
the
Tino's
courtyard
by
up
to
45%
from
9.1
meters
to
less
than
5
meters
together
this,
together
with
the
added
Building
length,
because
there's
going
to
be
an
addition
along
the
back
and
the
side,
patio
of
the
blackthorn
cafe
will
effectively
seal
the
courtyard
at
the
end
of
a
long,
narrow
tunnel
and
take
away
the
inviting
views
and
sense
of
openness.
The
views
of
the
Ching
house
and
the
Cathedral
will
be
obscured.
F
The
2013
project
for
public
spaces
study
on
the
future
of
the
Byward
market
outlined
that
the
privatization
of
public
space
as
one
of
the
challenges
facing
the
Byward
market.
We
therefore
oppose
the
proposed
post,
increased
footprint
of
the
new
building
and
the
classic.
We
crept
request
that
the
current
public
asset
access
be
protected.
With
regard
to
the
facade
demonstration,
the
NCC
has
well-established
tradition
of
protecting
character
of
heritage
buildings.
F
As
lesson
Eaton
mentioned,
it
has
rebuilt
the
historical
buildings
along
Sussex,
Drive
and
elsewhere,
and
the
reason
to
prove
for
the
removal,
restoration
and
reconstruction
front
facade
of
106
116
SPARC
street
is
another
example
of
the
retention
of
the
Heritage
character
of
a
building.
The
same
approach
should
be
followed
for
seven
plans
to
enhance
their
harmonious
streetscape
on
clients.
The
facade
should
be
restored
in
the
elements
that
can
be
salvaged
should
be
replaced
with
sympathetic,
new
materials.
The
original
window
and
cornice
treatments
should
be
restored.
You
see
historical
photographs.
F
Finally,
the
use
of
space
in
the
new
building
should
not
contribute
to
the
prolific
proliferation
of
bars
and
entertainment
facilities
in
the
Byward
market
area.
A
recent
survey
indicates
that
the
Byward
market
hosts
over
20,000
licensed
seats
in
just
a
few
blocks.
This
is
an
increase
of
17%
over
the
last
five
years
and
during
that
time
the
market
has
lost
many
small
retailers,
including
food
retailers.
This
is
a
grave
concern
to
the
Lower
Town
residents.
F
The
increasing
the
capacity
of
establishments
serving
alcohol
also
increases
the
noise,
vandalism
and
disruptive
behavior
that
we're
very
amused
at
businesses.
This
in
turn
has
a
negative
impact
on
the
attractiveness
of
the
area
as
a
place
to
live
and
visit.
The
persistent
layers
of
snow
retailers
and
service
that
used
to
make
the
market
a
vibrant
destination
for
residents
and
visitors
is
killing
the
area.
The
local
community
association
appreciates
that
the
NCC
is
willing
to
revisit
their
it
originally
was
designed
for
seven
clearance.
F
B
D
B
A
L
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
I'm,
a
former
military
officer
so
I'll
speak
bluntly
and
I
apologize
in
advance
for
that,
but
I
met
a
resident
of
12-pound
Street,
so
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
residents
in
that
building,
12
clients
is
directly
across
from
seven
clients.
So
we
we've
been
watching
the
activities
for
the
last
ten
months.
Also,
we've
set
up
an
organization
in
the
in
the
courthouse
area,
called
courthouse
owners
and
residents,
and
the
reason
for
that.
L
Courthouse,
acai,
tin,
house,
nickels,
tin,
house
owners
and
residents
and
the
reason
is,
there's
been
a
complete
lack
of
information
on
this
whole
process.
In
fact,
I'll
go
as
far
to
say
that
the
NCC's
and
their
distrust
of
many
of
the
residents.
Because
of
the
lack
of
transparency
of
this
this
entire
process.
We
had
one
stakeholder
meeting
that
some
of
us
found
out
about
one
week
ago,
there's
been
very
little
opportunity
for
the
community
to
input
into
the
plans.
L
It
came
as
a
huge
shock
and
surprise
that
a
the
building
was
coming
down
but
be,
or
we
have
a
set
of
plans,
and
we
were
presented
with
one
set
of
plans
is
almost
like
a
Henry
Ford
choice
where
you
could
pick
any
color.
You
want
as
long
as
it's
black.
We
had
to
start
from
the
MCC
that
there
are
a
number
of
other
plans.
It
would
have
been
nice
if
the
community
have
been
consulted
so
put
that
out
there
first
of
all.
L
L
In
fact,
the
tin
house
Court,
who
very
difficult
to
see
from
even
the
street,
with
the
extend
extension
of
the
building
and
the
width
of
the
book
and
so
I'd
flag
that
as
a
big
issue,
because
as
a
somebody
that
enjoys
the
courtyards
all
the
time,
I
can
tell
you
just
from
watching
tourists
that
come
downtown.
I've
lived
there
for
seven
years.
It's
a
big
draw
of
people
walk
into
the
courtyard
it's
one
of
the
jewels
in
the
crown
of
the
city
and
I
think
it
should
be
protected.
L
The
only
rationale
that
we've
had
explained
so
far
as
the
reason
for
the
expanded
footprint
is,
for
commercial
reasons,
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
should
be
the
only
reason
to
justify
the
building
type.
A
final
final
point:
with
regards
to
the
glass
two
things:
one
additional
noise:
the
glass
reflects
noise.
L
It
certainly
doesn't
absorb
it,
there's
a
lot
of
noise
in
the
in
the
pirate
market
area
at
the
best
of
times,
but
we
expect
that
we'll
hear
more
noise
as
a
result
of
additional
patio
space
and
the
fact
that
it's
glass
that
finally
is
another
form
of
military
officer
I,
would
question
the
words
them
have
put
in
a
bed
in
a
clad
in
glass
so
close
to
the
u.s.
embassy.
I
think
this
is
a
security
concern.
Certainly
the
u.s.
embassy
takes
the
matter
seriously,
any
kind
of
blast
of
any
kind.
L
B
B
D
The
public
notification
associated
with
heritage
heritage
applications
arm
is
constricted
by
the
ninety
days
once
we
receive
a
complete
application.
So
we
did
in
this
particular
instances
as
soon
as
we
received
it
from
the
NCC
and
soon
as
the
NCC
was
comfortable,
we
sent
it
to
heritage
Ottawa
and
to
to
the
Lowertown
Community
Association,
and
then
we
did
our
normal
notification,
which
requires
notification
of
residents
within
a
certain
amount
of
a
certain
distance.
B
We
want
that
application
to
demolish
come
in
with
a
replacement,
so
that
we're
not
in
a
situation
where,
if
the
built
heritage,
committee
and
councils
support
demolition,
that
you're
left
with
a
gaping
wound
forever,
potentially,
and
so,
how
does
that
piece?
Work
together
and
then,
and
when
did
that?
Full
application
therefore
come
in
so.
D
We
the
NCC,
had
originally
there
had
been
some
discussion
that
it
would
be
only
the
demolition
and
we
asked
that
the
two
come
in
together
and
we
and
then
the
Christmas
break
intervened.
But
we
said
that
if
the,
if
the
National
Capital
Commission,
could
have
a
complete
application
to
us
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
by
February,
the
third,
we
would
get
it
to
this
agenda,
which
is
what
we
did
so
it
did.
It
did
constrict
the
timelines
now
ensure
in
terms
of
the
recommendations
in
front
of
the
committee.
D
D
You
will
have
the
site
planning
process
immediately
prior
to
the
site
plan
process
under
underway
as
the
building
is
demolished
and
when
does
the
90
days
start
the
90
days
as
it
exists
today,
based
on
the
application
being
received
on
February
the
3rd,
the
90
days
start
from
that
day,
February
3rd
and
expresso
they
expire
on.
May
the
4th
ok.
B
And
as
I
pointed
out
when
the
NCC
was
up
before
us,
that
will
be
asking
for
an
extension
of
that
so
that
we're
not
restrained
by
that
timeline
and
so
we'll
have
that
information
prior
to
Council
and
Planning
Committee.
But
Alaska
I
have
a
question
on
the
security
aspect
that
you
raised.
That
would
not
be
under
your
purview.
Would
it
miss
Coutts
security
as
far
as
the
type
of
material
and
the
visa
fee?
The
proximity
to
the
u.s.
embassy.
D
No
but
I
did
that
issue
was
raised
during
the
public
consultation
sessions
period
and
I
did
raise
it
with
the
architect
and
they
are
certainly
you
know
if
Council
supports
the
the
glass
construction.
That
glass
would
would
meet
all
current
safety
standards
and
would
not
be
any
more
reliable
to
harm
damage
than
any
other
building
material.
There
certainly
are
there
are
reinforced
glasses,
etc.
So
the
architect
assured
me
said
that
was
a
excellent
question
and
assured
me
that
that
would
could
be
addressed
through
through
the
materials.
D
Similarly,
many
of
the
question
the
issues
like
the
patio
and
light
spillage,
etc.
Those
are
all
regulated
also
through
the
site
plan
process
read
us:
this
is
a
lead.
Building,
lead
has
regulations
regarding
rights,
rights
pillage,
etc.
So
there
are,
you
know
there
are
it's
not
only
the
Heritage
application
that
is
addressing
addressing
some
of
these
issues?
They
will
be
coming
out
through
other
planning
processes.
D
B
B
Koontz
alluded
it
to
we're,
going
to
find
a
way
to
to
reach
out
earlier,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
at
Planning
Committee
for
items
that
for
applications
that
aren't,
we
have
a
process
that
aren't
part
of
the
heritage,
but
their
applications
for
change
or
for
building
I,
often
hear
the
same
thing.
So
as
a
city
I
think
as
a
corporation
when
we
can
or
where
we
can,
we
certainly
will
do
better.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Mr.
Podolski
and
I
have
my
chef
philosophy.
You
have
a
question.
Yes,.
J
J
That
Sally
is
that
if
it's
considered
an
addition
having
been
built
in
1878,
why,
with
the
whole
mansard
roof
of
461,
465
Sussex
not
also
be
considered
as
an
addition,
because
it
was
built
in
1915.
So
here
we
have
something
that
really
needs
clarification
by,
so
that
in
the
future,
this
committee
and
the
community
and
the
heritage
advocates
know
what
the
effectiveness
of
the
heritage
overlay
is
for.
B
D
First
I
should
add
that
the
Heritage
overlay
does
apply.
It
is
the
it's.
What
section
of
the
Heritage
overlay
is
applicable
to
this
particular
edition,
so
it
isn't
that
this
building
does
not
have
a
heritage
overlay
under
the
zoning
bylaw
on
it.
It
is
what
part
of
the
Heritage
overlay
regulates
this
and
the
part
that
regulates
it
is
not
is
section
3
editions
so,
and-
and
so
this,
the
section
on
editions
in
the
Heritage
overlay,
which
is
a
true
love
rezoning
by
law,
regulates
the
location,
size,
etc
of
additions
to
heritage
buildings.
D
D
Podolski
to
a
vice-chair
pedal
ski
to
actually
have
our
zoning
people
look
at
this
again,
but
it
is
linked
physically
to
the
building
behind
which
it
sits.
It
is
subordinate
to
that
building.
It
is
considered
an
addition.
Therefore,
the
the
the
section
3
of
the
Heritage
overlay
applies,
and
not
not
the
section
that
governs
completely
new
construction
at
construction
of
us
of
a
standalone
building.
D
So
the
reason
that
the
rule
I
mean
if
but
interesting,
question
Vice
Chair
Polsky.
If
the
roof
had
been
added
now,
it
would
have
required
a
variance
because
it
would
have
pierced
the
it
would
have
been
higher
than
the
original
building
and
so
therefore
would
need
a
variance
under
the
Heritage
overlay.
In
this
particular
instance.
It
is
an
addition,
so
it
has
to
comply
with
the
requirements
under
in
section
3
and
there's
also
some
peculiarities
associated
weather,
of
where
the
front
yard
is
so.
This
project
will
require
variances.
G
D
And
that
happens
all
the
time
we
frequently
have,
for
example,
in
a-
and
this
is
a
we'll
just
do
a
generic
example.
You
are
the
owner
of
a
beautiful
Victorian
house
and
in
the
1950s
someone
put
a
vinyl,
clad
family
room
to
the
rear
of
your
audition
of
your
house.
You
are
taking
that
off
and
putting
on
anyone
you're
subject
to
the
the
sections
free
under
the
Ontario,
Heritage
Act,
okay,.
B
A
Unfortunately,
7,000
Street,
a
property
owned
by
the
National
Capital
Commission,
falls
into
this
category
until
our
spring.
This
was
not
a
boarded
up
in
vacant
building.
It
has
the
viable
food
service
business
located
in
what
is
perhaps
the
most
significant
Heritage
Conservation
District.
In
the
see
it
was
not
a
property
damaged
by
fire,
but
one
which
was
neglected
by
its
owner.
A
A
Reached
the
conclusion
that
these
buildings
had
also
come
to
the
end
of
their
life
cycle,
if
they
had
adopted
that
position,
we
wouldn't
have
these
beautiful,
preserved
buildings
that
we
have
now
for
the
benefit
of
all
of
us,
so
I
think
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
the
point
of
view.
We
always
talk
in
the
heritage
community,
about
other
people,
seeing
glass,
half-full
or
see,
and
half
empty
and
I
think
that
the
NCC
should
have
been
more
vigilant
in
this
regard.
In
this
particular
instance.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
B
What's
your
title
chief
officer
chief
development
officer,
you
see
when
you
make
that
name
too
difficult.
Okay,
how
is
anybody
I,
don't
know
what
Lee
Ann's
title
is:
okay
and
I
work
with
her
all
the
time,
so
chief
cook
and
bottle
washer,
mr.
Bizzy
and
and
some
other
people,
certainly
with
mr.
with
vice-chair
Podolski
and
and
what
I
have
read,
and
that
means
just
from
spending
time
is
a
clear
focus
on
cooperation.
B
Would
you
not
agree
councillor
flurry
very
much
change
at
the
helm
and
and
it's
a
good
change
and
we
look
forward
to
working
collaboratively
with
him
and
his
team
and
already
so.
There
have
been
some
discussions
that
were
far
beyond
what
we've
ever
had
it
talks
about
before
about
having
a
an
understanding
of
of
their
work
plan
that
they
were
talking
about
today,
as
it
interacts
with
the
work
that
we
do
here
at
built,
heritage
subcommittee
and
understanding
and
and
working
collaboratively
and
helping
each
other.
So
I'm
I'm
very
positive
about
that.
I
You
this
wasn't
a
question.
This
was
a
disagreement
I,
it's
not
very
often
I
would
disagree
with
you,
but
I
think
in
this
case
I
would
and-
and
that
is
your
comment-
that
this
is
a
classic
case
of
demolition
by
neglect.
What
concerns
me
about
that
statement
is
I.
Don't
think
that
that's
what
happened
here,
I
think
that
the
NCC-
this
wasn't
neglect
this
was
incompetence.
I
I
think
my
concern
is,
is
that
if
we
think
that
this
new
bylaw,
the
demolition
by
neglect
by
law,
is
going
to
stop
this
problem
or
solve
or
save
this
building
we're
wrong?
If
you
read
the
the
report
on
it,
what
was
done
here
was
the
wrong
thing.
They
failed
to
consolidate
and
they
used
a
Portland
type
mortar.
The
Portland
mortar,
which
is
very
strong,
is
destroying
the
stones
which
are
very
weak,
so
I
think
it's
important
that
we
understand
the
demolition
by
the
neglect
by
law.
I
Isn't
going
to
solve
this
problem
and
and
I
think
that's
important,
because
the
comment
was
made
earlier.
We
have
a
bylaw
coming.
The
problem
will
go
away.
It
won't
and
I'm
very,
very
surprised
to
see
that
in
the
1990s
I've
been
in
this
business
for
40
years,
we've
always
known
use
lime,
rich
mortars.
How
the
NCC
was
using
Portland
mortars
to
restore
this
building
in
the
1990s
is
shocking.
So
that's
my
comment.
Thank.
E
B
What's
being
it
for
in
the
aspect
of
the
nineties,
etc,
anybody
else
referring
Thank
You,
mr.
filming
okay.
So
with
that
being
said,
we're
back
in
committee
now.
Does
anyone
have
well
vice
tripping
or
Sookie
I?
Think
you
have
a
motion.
Did
you
want
to
introduce
that
motion?
Do
you
want
to
speak,
maybe
introduce
the
motion.
First.
B
J
Yes,
David
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
you
said
was
that
the
design
of
the
the
new
addition
was
from
outside
in
there
are
some
questions
which
I
have
relating
to
the
plans
that
were
tabled,
and
the
plans
illustrate
certain
changes
to
461
465
as
well,
which
are
not
subjects
application.
For
instance,
the
plans
that
are
shown
show
the
removal
of
the
four
dormers
on
461
465
Sussex.
J
H
J
J
But
we
noticed
that
one
of
the
arguments
that
is
being
made
is
that
you
need
to
introduce
a
barrier-free
washroom
on
the
ground
floor
to
make
the
building
accessible,
but
at
the
same
time,
the
plans
as
tabled
sure
that
you're,
adding
into
the
building
and
a
new
store
and
also
portion
of
the
second
floor,
has
kind
of
opened
to
below,
so
that
you're
consuming
a
lot
of
interior
space
with
an
elevator
with
a
new
stair
and
with
this
open
connection
between
the
floors
is.
That
is
something
that
is
commercially
driven.
H
Universal
accessibility
measures
in
the
scheme
see
a
more
ample
vestibule
and
arrival
area
inside,
certainly,
we've
tracked
out
where
there
might
be
circulation
through
the
floor
plate
and
importantly,
that
elevator
is
in
there
predominantly
for
universal
accessibility
reasons.
We
want
to
be
able
to
get
any
member
of
the
public
up
to
the
second
floor,
be
it
a
restaurant
or
a
retail.
We
want
to
be
able
to
have
them
get
to
that
second
floor.
The
elevator
also
serves
the
purposes
of
access
of.
H
You
know
like
a
delivery
from
the
basement
up,
if
it's
a
restaurant,
for
instance
and
for
questions,
are
recycling
and
and
building
your
garbage
and
to
pick
up
the
all
that
can
be
brought
down
to
the
basement
for
holding
rather
than
though
into
the
courtyards.
So
accessibility
is,
is
it
hasn't
through
the
whole
design
of
that
floor
plan?
There
was
a
second
part
in
the
second
or
third.
J
Part
has
to
do
with
the
fact
that
the
plans
show
a
large
penthouse
above
the
roof
of
the
addition
presume
to
accommodate
a
stair
connection
to
461
465
Sussex,
but
also
to
accommodate
at
the
machine
room
of
the
elevator,
and
that
is
a
new
mass
about
the
top
of
the
building.
That
also
helps
to
obscure
the
view
of
the
mansard
roof
and
I
notice
that
that
is
clad
in
stone.
J
J
H
So
first
I'll
I've
asked
Sally
to
help
by
getting
the
image
of
that
there
we
go.
If
you
look,
you
can
see
that
there's
the
male
side
windows
up
at
the
top,
our
intent
would
be
to
keep
those
unless
I'm
mistaken
less
we
plan
to
keep
those
no
change
below
it.
You
can
see
that
there's
the
stucco
faced
1970s
fire
stair,
which
services
the
apartments
that
are
in
460
ones
465.
We
must
maintain
that
that
is
a
concrete
block
structure.
With
a
stucco
exterior
facade.
H
There
will
be
obviously
upgrades
to
the
stand
so
forth,
but
the
basic
structure
must
be
maintained.
It
is
the
primary
means
of
fire
egress
from
those
apartments.
You
asked
about
the
stone
that
we
see.
Our
intent
would
be
that
as
we
are
dismantling
the
existing
seven
clearance,
we'd
salvage,
all
the
materials
that
we
can
and
we're
anticipating
like
a
future
wall
that
would
be
visible
through
the
highly
transparent
ground
floor
and
even
in
the
evening
and
in
through
the
second-floor
windows,
we
would
be
deploying
Salvage
stone
on
that
line
of
stair
elevator
on
the
inside.
H
That's
what
you're
seeing
there
if
we
have
enough
to
do
a
whole
thing,
that'd
be
great,
the
existing
stone
is
viable
and
relatively
low-grade.
We
would
not
want
to
be
using
it
on
an
exterior
application
that
might
be
just
kind
of
looking
for
trouble,
but
certainly
on
the
inside.
That
is
where
we
deploy
the
salvaged
materials
and.
J
You
haven't
spoken
about
the
elevator
penthouse
and
the
drawings
that
are
showing
that
the
new
elevator
penthouse
will
actually
be
higher
than
the
stair
that
is
currently
showing
there
and
stucco
and
that
it
could
come
up
to
about
halfway
across
the
the
dormers
that
are
shown
there.
That's
what
your
drawings
show
and
we're
just
trying
to
understand
what
it
is
that
is
being
proposed
and
how
that
impacts.
J
H
L
L
It's
probably
slightly
less,
but
it
definitely
will
cover
the
man
said
we
couldn't
put
the
elevator
in
front
of
the
stair,
the
stair
that's
required
for
an
exit,
because
it
would
have
blocked
windows
into
461,
465
Sussex,
so
it
will
have
to
be
beside
and
it
will
increase
the
the
footprint
on
the
roof,
but
not
as
much
as
what
you're
seeing
in
the
in
that
table.
Drawing
I.
Think
if
you
look
at
that,
drawing
you'll
see,
there's
two
shades
of
grey
and
they
and
the
darker
shade
of
grey
down
there.
L
That's
the
actual
size,
the
lighter
shade
behind.
Maybe
what
I
describes
an
accuracy
is
actually
intended
to
be
the
10
house
building
wide
yeah.
Okay,
thank
you.
Sally
sally's
clarified
that
that
is
the
tenth
house
behind.
So
it's
the
dark,
slightly
darker,
shade
of
gray,
which
indeed
is
our
stairwell
and
elevator.
J
Yet
no
I
I
read
that
because
I
trained
in
looking
at
drawings,
I
did
not
misunderstand
the
10
house.
Building
who,
further
to
these
it's
the
darker
gray,
that
we're
talking
about
and
also
the
darker
gray
as
Sally,
is
pointing
right
here.
Item
4,
that's
the
size
of
the
penthouse
that
is
been
proposed
in
the
drawings
and
that
is
not
shown
on
the
drawings
are
the
four
dormers
on
that
roof
that
exists
and
which
were
assured.
No,
but
certainly
the
you
know
the
penthouse
is
going
to
have
obstruction.
B
E
The
the
building
has
been
declared
demolish
about
because
of
the
Semin
Tisha's
mortar,
which
is
in
the
John
Cook
letter,
not
because
it's
life
cycle
or
anything
life
cycle
or
anything
else.
It's
just
basically
clear
cut
indication,
at
least
in
the
engineer's
report,
that
the
cause
of
requiring
demolition
related
to
the
materials
used
in
a
1990s
fix-up.
So
we
need
to
correct
the
report
somehow
or
other
said,
it's
reflective
whether
we
have
to
do
that
by
motion
or
whether
we
have
to
do
it
by
minutes.
The
meaning
I
don't
know
just.
E
However,
we
want
to
do
it.
It
has
to
reflect
that
as
opposed
to
lifecycle.
I
think.
The
other
thing
that
that
strikes
me
is
the
absolute
notion
that
glasses
of
fitting
addition
to
the
heritage
building
on
the
on
the
Sussex
streets
ice
and
as
as
a
stated
in
the
Heritage
Ottawa
letter,
no
persuasive
argument
for
glass
opposed
to
stone
has
been
given
and
I
would
like
to
suggest
if
you're
reviewing
options
that
glass,
probably
not
the
most
desirable
option.
B
Well,
moisture
Podolski
has
not
moved
a
motion
yet,
but
in
the
motion
he's
going
to
move
in
the
second
item
it
says
direct
planning
and
growth
management
staff
to
work
with
the
National
Capital
Commission,
with
respect
to
the
height
the
footprint
and
material
for
the
replacement
building.
So
I
think
that
that
doesn't
need
to
be
clarified
beyond
that.
E
A
B
B
J
I'm
going
to
introduce
a
motion,
it
is
rank
fluid.
Then
the
staff
report-
it
is
more
convoluted
and
it
is
aimed
at
finding
a
way
to
college
early.
The
NCC
work
with
city
staff
and
the
stakeholders
in
a
robe,
which
is
that
was
a
non-confrontational,
was
called
almost
friendly
amendments
and
I
apologize
in
advance
for
the--
for
the
language
of
the
motion,
because
it
was
partly
drafted
with
help
from
the
city's
little
department
and
and
others.
But
I
will
read
it
now
and
it's
to
essentially
substitute
the
recommendations
that
are
in
the
report.
B
J
The
NCC
to
seek
advice
from
febrile
so
that
the
third
wares
would
be,
and
whereas
the
NCC
has
agreed
to
seek
comments
from
the
federal
heritage
building
Review
office
and
where
it
is
recognized
that
the
federal
heritage
building
Review
office
may
not
provide
comments
as
only
the
main
building
at
461
465
Sussex
Drive.
It
is
recognized
on
the
Canadian
Heritage
Register
of
Historic
Places.
J
So
that's
the
additional
where,
as
is
that,
basically
are
intended
to
send
the
message
of
this
committee.
If
we
proven
that
the
NCC
should
go
to
people
for
advice
on
on
this
edition,
be
it
resolved
that
the
recommendations
in
the
staff
report,
that
is,
our
staff
report,
now
be
replaced
with
the
following.
J
One
approved
the
application
to
demolish
7th
Clarence
Street
earlier
edition
to
461
465
sex
drive
according
to
the
application
received
by
the
City
of
Ottawa,
On
February
3rd
2014,
subject
to
a
receipt
of
a
complete
application
for
site
plan
approval
and
minor
variances,
if
required,
for
the
new
addition
to
direct
planning
and
growth
edge
and
staff
to
work
with
the
National
Capital
Commission,
with
respect
to
the
height
footprint
and
material
for
the
replacement
building
and
three
direct
planning
and
growth
management
staff.
To
advise
prior
to
consideration
of
this
report
by
council.
J
The
new
deadline
to
which
the
National
Capital
Commission
has
agreed
for
the
consideration
of
the
new
construction
at
7,
Clara,
Street,
right
Council
and
for
issue
the
Heritage
permit,
pursuant
to
recommendation
1
with
a
2
year,
expiration
date
from
the
date
of
issuance
and
then
there's.
Another
clause
suggested
that
the
staff
review
any
comments
that
may
be
provided
by
febrile
as
part
of
the
additional
review.
B
No,
no,
no,
no,
as
I
said
earlier,
probably
an
innocent
says
in
here
prior
to
planning,
committee
and
Council,
which
are
the
day
after
each
other
at
the
end
of
March.
Between
now
and
then
they'll
be
discussion
on
where
the
flexibility
lies
and
they
current
90-day
ruling
from
February
3rd
and
and
what
is
realistic
to
to
give
time
for
both
sides
and
to
have
input.
So.
I
Had
a
question
so,
in
the
event
that
we
approved
this
motion
well
and
and
in
CC,
goes
to
febrile
and
fever
agrees
at
a
glass
block
as
appropriate,
then
were
by
approving
this
essentially
we're
accepting
that
you
could
ultimately
end
up
being
a
glass
block
as
as
is
proposed
now.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
no.
D
D
G
Committee
and
council
presenter,
you
have
anything
to
verify
or
add
I
would
just
add
that,
no
matter
what
the
comments
are
that
come
back
from
fee
bro,
this
committee
and
through
this
committee's
recommendation,
City
Council,
has
jurisdiction
over
an
application
to
demolish
a
new
construction
at
this
local.
In.
B
The
City
of
Ottawa
right
over
everybody-
yes,
you
but
I
just
like
to
say
that,
even
if
we
took
the
original
recommendation
and
we
did
or
not
did
not
approve,
the
demolition
did
not
approve
number
two.
Okay,
the
fact
is
that
they
still
would
have
an
opportunity
to
come
back
with
a
with
a
different
application.
So
really
that's
what
we're
talking
about
that.
G
G
It
is
important
that,
although
you
know
the
I
think
the
material
of
this
building
adds
not
just
the
height
and
the
extended
footprint
I
think
it
adds
to
the
the
alteration
of
that
role
of
the
of
the
addition.
The
additions,
original
role
and
so
I
really
feel
that
talking
about
using
words
to
bring
in
the
question
of
stone
versus
glasses,
just
to
tighten
that
up
or
but
but.
B
Then
I
think
that
you're
getting
into
an
area
that
is
very
restrictive
and
I
think
we've
heard
in
the
minutes.
We
have
lots
of
people.
That
said
they
don't
like
the
glass
they
want
to
have
more
stone,
etc.
What
what
the
Podolski
motion
does
is
it
allows
that
discussion
to
go
forward
and
including
the
materials
I
think
without
saying,
and
that
material
must
not
be
a
glass.
B
G
E
J
B
B
The
fact
is
is
that
we
have
an
applicant
who
is
willing
to
come
back
and
be
part
of
a
process
to
revisit
on
footprint
on
height
and
on
material,
and
we've
heard
that
I
remember
one
motion
at
Planning
Committee,
oh
three
terms
ago,
where
somebody
defined
the
color
that
the
garage
door
must
be
quite
inflated
kanata
like
fashion
I,
don't
think
that
we
need
that
here.
I
think
that
we
need
them
what
we
need
to
make
sure
that
they
understand
that
we're
not
where
we
are
entirely
happy
with
what
they
brought
forward.
G
B
G
B
G
G
B
G
Believe
that
mr.
Koontz
has
discussed
the
process
and
I
I
will
turn
it
over
to
her.
If
there
any
questions.
This
is
intended
once
that
discussion
and
review
occurs
to
come
back
through
to
this
committee
rise
to
planning
committee
rise
to
City
Council
in
terms
of
fundamentally
pointing
out
or
restricting
conditions.
I
think
that,
while
conditions
on
a
permit
to
require
minor
changes
can
be
considered,
it's
my
opinion
not
in
order
to
look
at
conditions
on
a
permit
for
a
building.
B
Thank
You
trustee
Podolski,
also
for
you
sandy
after
the
meeting
the
I
just
have
been
told
that
they
NCC
would
like
to
discuss
with
you.
Your
comment
about
the
type
of
material
used
on
the
stone.
So
you
have
that
unless
you'd
like
them
to
come
forward
and
answer
that,
then
you
have
that
after
okay
press
the
vice-chair
Podolski,
please
I.
B
E
J
Given
that
the
NCC
has
been
the
leader
in
heritage
conservation
for
over
40
or
50
years
in
the
national
capital,
and
that
the
Sussex
Drive
expropriations
which
took
place
in
the
early
1960s
were
for
the
express
purpose
of
saving
the
Sussex
Drive
and
the
adjacent
properties
as
part
of
what
they
called
the
model
of
history.
It
was
not
for
commercial
purposes
that
it
was
expropriated.
J
It
was
for
what
Sussex,
Drive
properties
contributed
to
the
character
of
the
national
capital,
and
over
the
decades
we
have
seen
a
number
of
there
were
buildings
along
sussex
renovated
and
restored.
We've
also
seen
buildings
that
were
necessary
for
demolition
through
fire
and
other
reasons
demolish,
but
reconstructed
by
the
NCC
using
the
original
materials,
and
we've
also
seen
some
info
buildings
that
were
constructed
by
the
NCC
long
York,
along
sussex
that
were
very,
very
compatible
and
well-received
and
demonstrated
the
commitment
to
the
character
of
the
model
of
history.
Now
Confederation
Boulevard.
J
We
also
see
the
NCC
initiate
in
1970s
an
innovative
approach
to
developing
the
courtyards
behind
the
Sussex
Drive
buildings.
This
quartet
system
is
exemplary.
It
has
been
widely
published
and
followed
by
others,
and
it
was
done
very,
very
sensitively
with
attention
to
the
backs
of
the
buildings,
with
attention
to
the
surfaces
and
the
animation
of
these
courtyards
and
also
the
views.
The
views
that
were
developed,
particularly
opening
up
the
the
prospects
towards
the
Cathedral
to
the
north,
something
that
were
exemplary.
J
I
think
that
it
has
also
recognized
that
the
the
neglect
of
certain
buildings
you
know,
contributed
to
the
demolition
and
seven
clients
in
a
way
having
been
owned
by
the
MCC
for
50
years.
You
know
indicates
that
there
is
some
responsibility
here
for
making
sure
that
the
stewardship
is
up
to
the
standards
which
we
advocate
for
others.
J
So,
having
said
all
that
I'm
comfortable,
that
the
generic
recommendations
in
this
report
are
sufficient
to
have
the
NCC,
take
the
message
and
come
back
again
with
alternatives
to
staff
having
agreed
to
consult
with
stakeholders,
including
vevo,
so
I,
don't
really
think
that
we
should
sort
of
gild
the
lily
by
adding
specifics
to
it.
I
think
that
they
understand
very
well
what
is
being
expected
so
for
that
I
would,
you
know,
advocate
the
approval
of
the
motion.
Thank.
C
F
B
Trees
or
something
here,
okay,
dude,
can
you
vice-chair
Podolski?
Can
you
your
additional
wording
that
you've.
B
Carey.
Thank
you
on
the
second
one
direct
cloning
and
growth
management
staff
to
work
with
the
National
Capital
Commission,
with
respect
to
the
height
footprint
and
material
for
the
replacement
building.
Carey.
Thank
you.
Item
number.
3
I
mean
number
3
direct
planning,
a
growth
management
staff
to
advise
prior
to
the
consideration
of
this
report
by
council.
The
new
deadline
to
which
the
National
Capital
Commission
has
agreed
for
the
consideration
of
the
new
construction
at
seven
clearance.
Oh
that's!
Beyond
the
original
90
days,
that's
okay!.
B
And
for
to
issue
the
Heritage
permit
pursuant
to
recommendation
one
with
the
two-year
expiration
date
from
the
date
of
issuance
carry
and
then,
whereas
the
NCC
has
evaluated
well,
let's
I
will
yeah
I'll
just
add
this
one.
This
is
the
one
that
was
added
that
vice-chair
Podolski
spoke
to
and
after
the
the
main
motion,
and
whereas
the
NCC
B
has
agreed
as.
B
Thank
you
good
work.
Everybody
like
good
work
I
mean
because,
in
addition
to
all
of
you
and
all
of
your
input
in
a
very
short
period
of
time,
and
thank
you
to
the
NCC
who
I
know
listened
to
that
input
and-
and
we
are
reflecting
on
it
but
to
all
of
you
here-
I
mean
the
the
in
particular
the
the
citizen
members
who
have
so
much
knowledge
on
on
heritage.
We
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Yeah
and
so
on,
do
I
have
to
prove
I,
don't
think
so.
This
is
a
replacement
motion.
Yep.
It's
no
other
amendments.
Okay,
thank
you
and
so
item
number
three
now
which
hell
and
sorry
for
the
delay,
but
it
is
what
it
is
30
Oriole
and
we
have
how
I
don't
think
that
we're
doing
a
presentation
on
this
at
all.
You
had
to
put
a
picture
up
please,
and
we
have
two
speakers,
mr.
Vyse,
for
your
plating
and
coming
up
by
yourself
for
I.
M
Mr.
Vyse,
thank
you,
madam
chairman.
Good
morning,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
I
want
to
have
Cynthia
Jacques
from
Nova
Tech
engineering
with
me.
I
have
mrs.
Freeman
and
mrs.
Freeman
has
a
hearing
disability
as
well
as
a
she
is
legally
blind,
her
daughter,
Janet
and
the
real
estate
agent,
mr.
Paul
Mazur
I,
don't
think
you'll
have
to
speak
20
of
those,
but
they
might
be
able
to
answer
questions
better
than
me
just
having
become
involved
in
the
file
the
last
couple
of
weeks.
M
They
can
give
a
little
bit
of
background.
Madam
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee,
this
house
was
built
by
mrs.
Friedman's
husband
in
1968.
I'm
told
I
have
no
ability
to
disagree
that
it
certainly
has
some
Frank
Lloyd
Wright
ideas
in
it.
It
may
be
mimics
Frank,
Lloyd,
Wright
I'm
also
told
anecdotally
that
there's
all
kinds
of
these
throughout
the
City
of
Ottawa
the
he
mr.
and
mrs.
Freeman
I,
lived
in
the
house
until
sometime
in
2013.
M
The
house
has
been
deteriorating
in
the
last
number
of
years
because
of
mr.
Freeman's
inability
to
maintain
same
and
the
inability
to
pay
for
the
normal
maintenance.
Let
alone
the
extraordinary
bait
nets
at
this
building
needed.
Mr.
Furman
passed
away
in
December
of
2013
and
their
children
demanded
that
their
mom
sell
this
home
so
that
she
could
get
into
a
retirement
home
in
the
new
time
she
is
living
with
her
son.
M
House
was
listed
in
mid-january
2014
this
year
and
there
have
been
a
lot
of
showings
and
any
showings
indeed
have
been.
People
only
want
to
offer
for
lot
value.
In
fact,
the
agent
advised
this
morning
that
he
has
an
offer
conditional
on
mrs.
Freeman,
providing
a
demolition
permit,
don't
want
to
get
into
the
cost
of
that
for
mrs.
Freeman,
but
that's
the
offer
on
February
12th.
Mr.
mrs.
Freeman
received
a
letter
from
the
Heritage
section,
advising
that
they
would
be
recommending
the
property
be
placed
on
the
Heritage
Register.
M
What
are
the
repercussions
for
mrs.
Freeman?
Firstly,
the
agent
has
to
provide
any
potential
purpose,
any
potential
potential
purchasers
with
that
information
further.
Should
the
committee
recommend
to
planning
committee
and
council
that
the
property
be
placed
on
the
registrar
and
should
counsel
eventually
add
the
property
to
the
Registrar?
M
So
we
have
a
lady
blind
hard
of
hearing
I'm
sure
she
can't
hear
a
word
I'm
saying
right
now.
She
has
to
sell
this
house
in
order
to
get
to
a
retirement
home,
and
the
house
is
mimicking
something
that
thank
load
rate.
Did
she
as
I
say
that
if
she
has
to
commit
to
providing
a
demolition
permit,
and
this
timeline
is
followed,
the
value
of
her
lot
now,
I'll
call
it
a
lot
for
purposes
here
today
is
going
to
be
worth
less
than
50%
of
the
value.
M
Presently,
it's
costing
mrs.
Freeman
twenty
five
hundred
to
three
thousand
dollars
a
month
to
maintain
the
home.
The
home
is
electrically
heated
and
I'm
told
there's
some
kind
of
a
section
where
the
heat
rises
from
the
underlings
of
the
building,
an
older
concept.
So
twenty
five
hundred
to
three
thousand
dollars
a
month
to
maintain
the
building
I.
M
Asked
if
this
is
any
way
to
to
the
person
in
mrs.
Freeman's
position
or
for
that
person,
any
property
owner
in
the
City
of
Ottawa,
the
best
we
can
determine
this
house
is
not
even
under
Heritage
reference
list.
Not.
There
should
have
no
idea
that
this
was
possibly
going
to
happen
or
what
her
husband,
who
was
quite
interested
in
heritage
matters.
M
The
recommendation
or
the
request
of
the
section
came
from
the
Royal
architectural
Institute.
They
sent
a
letter
after
one
of
their
members
with
Ian
with
a
real
estate
agent.
Under
the
guise
of
wanting
to
purchase
a
property,
would
have
been
very
easy
for
them
to
ask
us
for
asked
mrs.
Freeman
I
wasn't
involved
in
at
a
time
if
they
could
get
in
I,
don't
think
they
had
to
enter
through
a
back
door,
so
to
speak.
I
had
the
occasion
to
go
out
yesterday,
because
mr.
M
Majer,
the
agents
that
you
have
to
see
this
place,
so
mr.
Jacques
and
I
met
him
at
mrs..
Rock
and
I
met
him
at
the
site
and
we
had
because
of
the
amount
of
mold
in
the
building.
We
decided
to
wear
masks
prior
to
entering
I.
Miss
Jacque
has
has
some
photos
that
were
taken
yesterday,
just
to
show
you
the
condition
of
the
interior
of
the
house.
I'm
gonna
ask
if
she
could
just
simply
pass
those
around
I'd.
Be
very
brief
for
you
to
look
at.
It's
only
seven
photos
there,
others
taken,
but.
B
M
You,
madam
chair
now,
I,
also
ask
my
other
clients
could
have
had
the
time
if
I
get
a
couple
of
minutes
of
their
time,
they're
not
going
to
speak,
so
my
client
isn't
going
to
speak,
or
neither
is
miss
jock
other
than
to
just
advise
as
to
where
the
pictures
were
taken.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
that
indulgence.
Thank.
B
M
I,
mrs.
Freeman's
son
is
an
engineer
in
Philadelphia
graduate
of
Carlton.
He
told
me
when
I
spoke
to
him
yesterday
and
he
told
me
he
helped
his
dad
build
that
house
totally
furthering
that
and
the
athleticism
the
committee
would
probably
know
better
than
this,
but
it
was
if
you
can
see
the
the
foundation,
it's
it's
a
brick
type
foundation
and
that
foundation
has
proven
not
to
be
very
good
now
I'm
going
on
what
he
tells
me,
and
that
is
part
of
the
problem.
M
Now
that
the
foundation
is
giving
away,
he
was
up
for
his
dad's
funeral
and
looked
at
it
at
that
time,
but
he
tells
me
that
that
is
these
brick
blocks
are
not
in
a
very
good
shape,
so
they're.
Basically
my
submissions,
madam
chairman
other
than
I,
will
be
asking
you
not
to
accept
the
recommendation.
But
if
you
have
any
questions
of
mr.
Jacques
with
regard
to
the
photos,
she
can
answer,
those
I
can
answer
any
other
questions.
The
committee
may
have
thank.
B
G
Thank
you,
madam
chairperson,
and
remember
the
committee
and
the
staff
of
the
city
for
giving
me
an
opportunity
to
come
here
to
speak.
My
husband
I
move
in
the
house
behind
our
ear
in
1990,
so
we've
been
there
for
a
very
long
time.
Every
winter
and
the
spring
meet.
We
see
mr
freeman
go
up
to
the
roof,
to
seek
to
check
and
I.
Think
we
understood
later
that
the
house
there
was
a
lot
of
leakage,
a
lot
of
water
damage
inside
the
house.
G
It
has
a
lot
of
more
and
also
from
we
because
we
we
burn,
we
don't
go
into
the
house,
so
we
can
see
from
outside
that
the
bricks
are
crumpling
and
we
had
opportunity
to
women
to
see
the
house
when
he
was
in
the
market
in
GE.
Last
month
inside
there
were
lots
of
more
lots
of
water
damaged
and
in
my
submission
the
house,
it's
not
it's
not
safe
to
live
in,
that's
my
opinion
and
so
my
position,
my
husband
and
my
position
is
we
opposed
to
adding
30
oreo
drive
to
the
city
of
Ottawa's.
B
G
B
E
I
believe
that
designating
this
is
heritage
property
in
order
to
prevent
redevelopment
in
the
air
general
is
probably
inappropriate.
Reason
for
doing
it.
I
look
at
this
and
say:
I've
looked
at
the
pictures,
it's
even
worse
than
I,
imagined
and
I.
Don't
think
that
restoration
is
one
of
the
options,
so
I
am
NOT
going
to
support
this.
J
G
During
you,
madam
chair,
as
it
was
mentioned
by
one
of
the
delegations,
we
received
a
request
to
add
this
property
to
the
Heritage
Register.
The
Ontario
Heritage
Act
only
requires
a
address
to
add
a
property
to
the
register,
because
the
only
implications
associated
with
it
are
providing
the
notice
for
demolitions.
So
our
reasoning
is
that
in
when
it
was
built
by
mr.
Freeman
in
1968
that
he
was
inspired
by
the
right
of
mr.
G
We
only
had
it
was
a
response
to
the
one
request
we
did
receive
comments
and
support
from
the
Rothwell
heights,
property
owners,
association
and
heritage,
Ottawa
and
I.
Think
it's
a
part
of
I,
don't
know
if
it's
a
part
of
a
larger
initiative,
but
the
city
does
have
an
initiative
to
undertake
more
studies
of
modern
architecture.
E
B
I
I'm
not
sure
that
we
could
characterize
this
is
one
person
sending
in
the
letter
I
understand
the
Terra
Cotta
on
the
Community
Association,
also
in
support
so
I,
don't
think
it's
one
person,
I
I,
think
these
things
often
start
I
recall
sitting
at
her
desk.
He
suggested
we
look
at
a
building
down
in
the
slots
area.
It
was
one
person
that
started
it,
but
these
things
lead
to
other
things.
I
sympathize
with
the
plight
of
the
honors,
but
I
do
take
issue
with
a
couple
of
the
day.
I
I
think
perhaps
take
issue
is
the
wrong
way
of
putting
it.
The
issue
was
raised
about
financial
hardship
caused
by
designation
and
I.
Think
that
we
should
listen
very
closely
to
that.
It's
not
the
first
time
that
it's
come
up
any
time
that
we
look
at
designation.
We
are
often
looking
at
negative
financial
implications,
so
I
don't
think
as
a
committee
as
as
as
much
as
these
may
concern
us
or
as
much
as
we
may
sympathize
with
the
building
owners.
I
I,
don't
think
we
we
have
the
ability
to
take
financial
considerations
into
play
when
we're
making
our
decisions.
So
I
think
that
we
have
to
be
very
careful,
although
we
may
sympathize
I,
don't
think
that
can
play
any
role
in
our
decision.
Similarly,
I
can
understand
and
sympathize
I
live
in
an
old
house.
I
have
designated
properties,
I
know
they
cost
more
to
maintain
and
I
know,
sometimes
they're
very
difficult
to
maintain
it's.
It's
sometimes
we're
saying
we're
concerned
about
demolition
demolition
by
neglect.
I
I
guess
are
we
now
saying
that
we
should
determine
whether
than
the
practice
done
by
somebody
who
don't
like,
as
opposed
to
somebody
we
do
like,
and
if
that
person,
who's
neglecting
has
other
reasons,
maybe
health
or
other
reasons,
why
they're
having
to
neglect
their
properties,
but
nonetheless,
the
end
result
is
the
same.
We're
still
looking
at
a
situation
where
properties
being
neglected,
I,
think
well.
I
B
B
We're
going
to
be
talking
about
have
a
presentation
from
councillor
Wilkinson
who
is
going
to
be
bringing
forward
with
the
support
of
staff,
a
big
project
that
they're
going
to
undertake
that
some
students
are
actually
doing
research
on
now
for
Beaverbrook
in
Canada
and
again
it
is
a
story,
the
complete
community,
of
how
it
was
built
in
the
time
it
was
built
and
what
it
still
continues
to
me.they
is
really
in
my
mind.
That
is
the
story
in
this
case
I'm
not
going
to
be
supporting
this
I
I.
B
Really
I
I
heard
what
you
said
about
somebody
being
in
rough
shape
themselves
financially
wellness
I,
didn't
appreciate
the
fact
that
mr.
Vyse
told
us
a
couple
of
time,
the
health
conditions
of
the
owner
and
the
situation.
We
can't
make
our
judgment
on
whether
or
not
somebody
is
in
the
poor
position
when
we're
being
asked
to
provide
and
I
just
want
to
say
this
is
this:
is
a
Heritage
Register?
Ok,
this
is
adding
it
to
the
Heritage
Register.
Ok,
so
it's
it's,
not
a
designation.
B
So
the
name
of
the
only
thing
that
applies
is
that
if
you
were
wanting
to
demolish
it,
which
we're
hearing
that
you
want
to
demolish
it,
that
you
have
to
come
back
here
and
request
that,
whether
that's
owners
are
not
to
a
realtor
or
somebody
buying
the
product,
the
property
is
not
part
of
what
we
can
consider.
So,
having
said
all
that,
just
speaking
for
myself
personally
I'm
not
supporting
the
application
for
my
for
reasons
that
are
totally
because
I
didn't
know
any
of
the
other
personal
stuff.
B
Those
words
itself
are
telling
to
me.
That
would
be
like
I
looked
at
Good
Housekeeping
and
I
decided
that
I,
like
the
style
of
a
place
in
Vermont
and
I,
replicated
it
because
I
liked
it
I,
don't
see
that
that
has
real
teeth.
So
but
that's
just
my
opinion
and
if
no
one
else
has
anything
to
say,
I'm
going
to
do.
I'm,
gonna
call
yeas
and
nays
yep.
D
B
We'll
call
yeas
and
nays
on
30
Oriole,
and
the
exact
motion
is
that
Bill
Taylor
subcommittee
recommend
that
planning
committee
recommend
the
council.
Add
the
property
at
30
Oriole
Drive
to
the
City
of
Ottawa
Heritage
Register,
Telstra,
Quinn
I,
remember
Clinton.
She
just
elevated
you
to
counselor,
but
she
said
member
Quinn,
I.