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From YouTube: Built Heritage Sub-Committee – March 8, 2018
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Built Heritage Sub-Committee meeting – March 8, 2018 – Audio Stream
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A
B
Okay
good
morning,
everybody
and
welcome
to
this
meeting
the
bill
had
a
subcommittee
in
terms
of
regrets.
We
have
a
few
from
already
a
small
committee,
so
the
vice-chair
is
not
in
town
and
he
sent
his
regrets.
Councillor
McKenney
sent
her
regrets
and
counter
wilkinson
I
haven't
heard
from,
but
given
that
she's
not
here,
I'm
going
to
assume
that
Jesus
also
said
servant
crickets,
but
fortunately
we
have
Korah,
and
so
that's
a
good
thing
and
there
are
no
declarations
of
interests
that
I've
received.
Can
we
confirm
the
minutes
of
eight
February?
B
Ok
great,
so
we
have
two
items
on
our
agenda
today.
One
is
the
National
Capital
Commission
has
generously
offered
to
just
provide
an
information
item
which
is
a
little
bit
of
a
survey
of
some
of
the
work
they've
done
on
their
pavilion
initiative,
which
was
part
of
their
beyond
Canada
150
project
Legacy
Project
last
year.
So
we're
going
to
hear
from
Heather
Thompson
from
the
NCC
on
that.
B
So
will
will
hold
that
item
and
the
second
item
is
an
application
to
alter
the
former
grant
school
27:20
Richmond
Road,
a
property
designated
under
part,
four
of
the
Interior
Heritage
Act,
the
predecessor
to
this
committee,
approved
a
heritage
permit
I
believe
it
was
back
in
2012.
This
is
a
renewal
of
that
permit
with
a
few
changes,
including
a
gym,
that's
being
built
at
the
back
of
the
property.
We
don't
have
any
speakers
registered
staff
are
prepared
to
present
to
oh,
we
do
have
a
speaker
registry.
So
for
that
reason
we
will
hold
the
item.
B
B
B
I
think
the
application
is
pretty
straightforward,
so
maybe
it
will
go
straight
to
the
question
from
member
Smallwood
thanks
very
much
I
I
support
the
project
and
I
think
it's
wonderful
to
see
the
that's
moving
forward.
I
just
had
a
question
looking
at
the
original
elevations
of
the
building
and
the
the
beautiful
front
elevation
of
the
previously
beautiful
front
elevation
with
the
arched
windows,
and
they
just
wondered
if
there'd
been
any
discussion,
given
that
they
are
going
to
be
replacing
the
1950
windows.
A
B
B
Walls
for
the
building
via
the
alteration
were
made
many
years
ago
and
the
to
replace
the
the
existing
windows
right
now
to
be
able
to
go
and
modify,
make
the
modification
to
the
existing
structure
by
trying
to
wear
the
new
masonry
that
we
would
be
adding
right
now
would
be
extremely
difficult
technically,
and
this
would
bring
up
the
cost
of
the
project
extremely
okay,
so
you
did
look
into
it
and
it
was
rolled
out
for
those
reasons.
Yes,
okay,
thank
you
very
much.
B
Monsieur
Racine!
Is
there
anything
else
that
you'd
like
to
say,
because
I
now
that
you're
here
you're
certainly
welcome
to
make
any
other
comments
that
you
wish
to
earn
this
application?
You
don't
have
to
know
your
front,
we're
following
it:
okay!
Well,
thank
you
very
much
for
coming
yep.
So
we
do
have
now
a
second
speaker:
who's
registered
David
plumbing
from
heritage,
Ottawa.
B
Okay,
no
I
think
members
all
would
any
more
questions
from
your
side.
Okay,
no.
Thank
you
very
much,
though,
and
thank
you
for
your
offer
to
speak.
So
if
there
are
no
other
questions,
is
this
item?
Okay?
Okay.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
Good
morning
and
thank
you
very
much
for
the
invitation,
my
name
is
Heather.
Thompson
I
manage
the
Heritage
Program
at
the
National
Capital
Commission
and
it's
mostly
familiar
faces
around
the
table.
But
thanks
very
much
of
is
offer
is
asked
to
come
and
speak
today
about
the
NCC's
legacy
projects
from
2017
and
beyond.
A
So
a
brief
overview
of
my
presentation.
I
just
wanted
to
touch
a
little
bit
on
the
role
of
the
NCC
as
it
relates
to
conservation
and
not
just
to
talk
about
some
of
the
building
projects
and
I
will
definitely
talk
about
those.
But
I
also
wanted
to
just
speak
about
our
multifaceted
role
in
and
the
legacy
projects
that
relate
teacher,
those
in
capital
planning,
federal
approvals,
capital
stewardship,
which,
as
many
of
the
buildings,
we're
going
to
speak
about.
Also
our
work
in
Algonquin,
our
big
engagement
and
then
just
to
conclude
at
the
end.
A
So
as
manager
of
the
Heritage
Program
I
have
the
privilege
of
working
with
basically
every
branch
of
our
organization
in
the
long
range
planning
and
the
federal
approvals,
and
so
that's
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
to
share
some
of
what
we've
been
working
on
the
past
past
year
and
working
on
going
forward.
So
the
NCC
is
mandated,
as
you
know,
under
the
national
capital
act,
is
to
prepare
plans
for
the
system
of
development,
conservation
and
improvement
at
the
National
Capital
Region.
A
In
order
that
the
character
the
cedar
Government
of
Canada
may
be
in
accordance
with
its
national
significance,
and
as
you
know,
you
know,
with
the
U
is
we've
been
about.
108
is
in
the
works
on
this
on
this
project,
with
the
establishment
of
the
Ottawa
Improvement
Commission
in
1899,
which,
and
that
at
that
time
the
mandate
was
really
focused
on
beautification.
But
now
our
mandate
over
time
has
extended
to
include
conservation
specifically.
A
A
You
know,
and
basically
Ottawa
Improvement
Commission
trans
NCC
subsequently
transformed
the
shores
of
the
Rideau
Canal.
From
from
this,
this
is
you
know
the
1920s
to
the
1970s
to
what
we
see
today,
and
this
is
so
it
the
works
that
we're
undertaking
on
on
ongoing
basis,
whether
or
not
they're,
specifically
heritage
projects
or
heritage
buildings
become
heritage
in
the
future.
We
hope
it's
there.
It's
all
legacy
work.
This
is,
of
course,
and,
as
you
know,
for
term,
our
chair
in
1971
also
launched
the
the
state
way.
A
So
in
terms
of
in
long,
are
you
just
building
on
this
point
about
our
long-range
plans?
So
the
main
put
the
main
plan
we
launched
last
year,
of
course,
was
the
plan
for
Canada's
capital,
which
is
this
50-year
visionary
plan
with
17
milestone
projects
that
will
be
adult
over
that
period.
Those
milestones
projects
were
developed
with
widespread
consultation,
crowdsourcing
and
conservation
is
a
pillar
of
this
plan
in
every
way,
shape
and
form.
So
this
is
one
of
this
is
certainly
a
legacy
project
from
last
year,
which
will
continue
to
set
our
priorities
going
forward.
A
This
year,
the
Northshore
the
plan
for
the
North
Shore,
the
gatineau
park
master
plan.
So
this
year
we
are
full
its
along
with
more
long-range
plans,
which
will
help
to
shape
not
only
sort
of
the
vision,
but
also
the
conservation
priorities
for
each
of
these
areas.
So
just
moving
on
to
our
federal
approvals
role.
This
is
a
role
that
is
not
always
well
highlighted
in
you
know
in
the
public
realm,
but
it's
a
really
critical
role
where
we
have
an
opportunity
to
shape
projects,
especially
conservation
projects.
A
So,
as
you
know,
you
know
where
the
city
manages,
you
know,
plans
and
projects
in
the
private
realm.
In
terms
of
the
you
know,
private
property
owners
submitting
their
plans
and
projects
to
the
municipality,
the
failure,
departments
and
agencies
submit
their
plans
and
projects
to
the
NCC
for
approval.
So
we
are
the
authority
for
federal
land
in
the
capital,
and
conservation
is
a
really
critical
piece
of
that.
So
every
year
we
have
about
250
federal
approvals
that
are
coming
through
our
office.
You
know,
ranging
from
the
LRT
to
to
to
assign
a
tenant
signage.
A
So
it's
a
wide
range
of
things,
but
last
year
we
had
some
very
important
projects
and
just
to
highlight
two
of
them.
You
know
one
of
them
was
the
National
Art
Center
redevelopment,
revitalization,
and
also
the
conversion
of
the
the
former
Union
Station
to
the
Senate,
and
those
are
beautiful
projects
which
are
really
legacy
projects
in
terms
of
their
impact
on
the
Capitol
and
on
conservation
and
we're
very
proud
to
work
with
the
city,
for
example,
on
the
NEC
project,
where
we
brought
around
the
table
a
special
Heritage
Advisory
Committee
that
include
included
the
city.
A
Cluded
Heritage
Ottawa,
and
to
inform
that
that
site,
because
it's
a
National,
Historic
Site
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
had
a
very
rigorous
process.
Of
course,
with
the
with
the
Senate
conversion,
we
had
the
federal
heritage,
buildings,
Review
office,
and
so
the
NCC
plays
an
important
role
in
that
committee
as
well,
so
going
forward
one
of
the
most
highest
priority,
and
this
is
priority.
Milestone
number
one
and
the
plan
for
Canada's
capital
is
the
parliamentary
precinct
and
so
coming
forward.
The
federal
approvals
in
terms
of
the
NCC's
priorities.
A
Will
you
know
one
of
the
highest
priorities
will
be
the
the
rehabilitation
of
Senate
block
east
block
the
developments
along
Longton
in
the
parliamentary
precinct.
So
that's
going
to
be
a
very
important
priority
for
the
NCC
going
forward
so
getting
to
our
stewardship
role.
Obviously
we're
the
largest
federal
land
holder
in
the
Capitol,
who
actually
holds
11
percent
of
the
total
geography
of
region
through
the
lands
in
the
urban
core.
The
official
residence
is
the
green
belts
and
the
gotta
park
and
through
that
were
stewards
of
such
a
wide
variety
of
heritage.
A
So
one
of
the
things
this
year
last
prior
to
prior
to
2017,
our
CEO
challenged
our
our
staff
to
look
at
some
of
the
most
underused
buildings
in
our
portfolio
and
try
to
bring
them
to
life
for
2017,
and
so
that
there
was
we'll
say
10,
but
there's
they
were
actually
multiple.
At
many
of
you
may
have
seen
the
passport
that
was
produced.
A
You
can
go
and
visit
quite
a
few
of
them,
but
there
were
multiple
projects
and
I'm
going
to
touch
on
some
of
them
in
this
presentation,
but
there's
some
that
were
actually
pavilions
and
some
that
are
also
projects
that
are
still
legacy
projects
that
are
related,
but
not
specifically
pavilions.
So
these
are
a
few
of
the
highlights.
A
The
dairy
building,
a
trio
hall
7
clearance,
which
was
the
international
pavilion,
the
more
farm,
add
the
150
middle
Street
on
Victoria
Island
and
the
global
Center
for
pluralism
and
50
Sussex,
the
Royal
Canadian
Geographic
Society
that
has
taken
that
over
but
as
I
say
so,
these
are
set
and
I'll
touch
on
some
of
these
through
the
presentation
briefly.
But
I
also
just
want
to
emphasize
that
again
just
getting
back
to
our
sort
of
legacy
work.
A
As
many
of
you
know,
you
know
the
myath
history
was
a
very
important
project
in
the
1960s
and
1970s
in
terms
of
transforming
Sussex
Drive
from
basically
what
I
guess
in
the
1900
in
the
early
in
the
50s
had
basically
become
comparative
a
potato.
Transforming
that
into
this.
We,
you
know
acquiring
a
lot
of
the
properties
along
Sussex,
restoring
them
and
bringing
a
dignity
back
to
that
to
that
area,
and
so
now
we're
in
terms
of
that
legacy.
Work.
A
This
is
an
area
that
is
on
the
pavilion,
but
also
about
I,
think
terms
of
Rita
Hall,
there's
been
some
really
important
work
that
was
done
for
2017
that
go
beyond
strictly
the
pavilion,
and
one
of
the
one
highlight
I
wanted
to
highlight
in
particular
was
the
forecourt.
This
is
a
picture
from
as
aerial
photo
from
the
70s.
This
is
the
narrow
photo
from
before
the
works
we
were
doing
and
you
can
see
it's
the
Asheville
Drive
and
the
Terry
Fox
fountain.
A
This
had
a
lot
of
technical
challenges
in
terms
of
access
and
for
our
ceremonial
events
and
so
forth.
I
don't
get
into
it.
I
can
certainly
speak
to
it
more
if
you'd
like.
If
you
have
questions,
but
there
was
a
need
to
transform
that
forecourt
and
also
did
you
damp-proofing
on
the
building.
So
we
took
an
opportunity
to
to
really
study
this
and
and
to
do
a
really
careful
job
to
incorporate
you
can
see
here.
It's
been
some
of
these
projects
that
you'll
see.
You
know
you
look
at
the
finished
product.
A
This
is
a
little
building
as
you,
if
you
may
not
have
ever
noticed
it
a
little
hole
because
it
was
in
the
operations
area.
It's
a
remnant
from
when
there
was
it
was.
As
you
know,
Rita
Hall
was
a
self
functioning
estate
with
a
farm
yard,
and
this
was
the
building
where
the
dairy
hang
operations
took
place
in
and
it
was
built
in
1895.
A
As
you
know,
the
skating
rink
at
Rideau
Hall
has
a
long-standing
history
since
1872
of
having
public
skating,
but
the
shack
that
was
used
for
the
ski
changing
was
very
dilapidated
and
there
was
a
need
to
replace
it.
So
the
idea
was
to
inspired
by
some
historic
photos
that
we
had
found
of
the
site.
Where
you
see
the
dairy
building.
In
the
background,
the
idea
is,
perhaps
we
could
relocate
the
dairy
building
to
the
skating
rink
and
actually
help
to
give
it
a
new
public
life,
and
so
that
is
what
has
happened
and
I
hope.
A
You
have
an
opportunity
if
you
haven't
already
to
go
to
skate
at
Rideau
Hall
with
this
pavilion.
It
is
really
beautiful
and
that
you
can
still
do
it
because
we
refrigerate
at
this
gating
place,
it
will
still
be
open
until
the
end
of
March.
So
if
you
haven't
already
gone,
it
is
a
lovely
experience
and
the
building
itself
is
we.
It
was
meticulously
restored,
as
best
we
could
to
conserve
as
much
of
the
original
material.
This
is
the
the
ceiling.
A
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
really
beautiful
project,
so
this
is
one
we're
very
proud
of,
just
in
other
terms
of
other
pavilions.
The
log
farm
as
many
I
just
want
to
touch
a
bit
on
the
greenbelt.
The
the
log
farm
had
been
years
ago
in
an
Living,
History
Museum.
It
had
fallen
into
disuse
over
many
years.
It's
now
been
brought
back
to
life
as
an
active
farm,
but
also
is
being
interpreted
for
special
events,
and
so
last
year
there
was
some
great
public
access
to
the
site
where
there
was
interpretation
and
so
forth.
A
A
So
this
as
a
hotel
and
it's
a
really
exciting
project
took
in
collaboration
with
the
owner
of
the
Wakefield
middle
lake,
they'll
ignore
in
and
so
there's
going
to
be
a
really
exciting
project
there
and
it
is.
It
is
developing
very
well
just
a
test
shot
at
the
end
before
I
conclude
just
to
touch
a
little
bit
on
some
of
the
work
we
are
doing
with
the
Algonquin
Anishinaabe
communities.
A
Past
year
we
had
a
couple
of
exciting
events
and
our
urbanism
lab
related
to
heritage.
So
we
had
Heritage
in
the
spring
as
Heritage's
as
a
driver
of
sustainability,
where
we
had
gene
karoon,
bender,
Oh
Jake
from
Cadogan,
zippy
and
Mark
Brandt
all
talk
about
sustainability
and
heritage
and,
of
course,
leading
into
the
apt
and
national
trust
conference.
A
We
had
heritage
circa
1967,
which
was
an
exciting
look
at
what
was
happening
in
1967
in
the
Capitol
and
Beyond
and
what
that
means
for
conservation,
so
I
hope
you
also
there's
a
many
exciting
events
coming
up
this
year
and
the
the
equipment
capital
urbanism
lab
is
really
something
that
has
been
very
well
received
by
the
public
and
will
continue.
We
hope
to
be
a
legacy
into
the
future
as
well.
A
So
look
for
the
next
one
in
March,
which
is
culture,
ka
Canadian,
designers,
cultural
export,
so
so
with
that
I
just
want
to
conclude
to
say
that
I
know,
I
was
asked
to
speak
about
legacy
projects,
but
in
the
in
a
sense
the
NCC's
mandate
very
mandate
is
legacy.
It's
about
the
hope
that
work,
the
work
that
we're
doing
now
in
May
ways,
shapes
and
forms
will
actually
be
worthy
of
conservation
in
the
future.
B
Thank
you
very
much
that
was
really
interesting
and
I
know.
There
are
lots
of
questions
so
comes
from.
Oh,
hey,
relax.
I
know
you
touched
on
a
lot
of
things
that
the
rial
stasi
raged
to
when
I
used
to
read
gas
meters
frame
bridge.
One
of
my
Jobs
was
running
around
the
yard
at
Regal
Hall
reading,
all
the
various
gas
meters
in
the
building's
well.
A
B
But
I
know
that
in
the
in
the
federal
budget
there
was
some
announcement
about
funds
that
would
go
towards
building,
hopefully
building
no,
but
just
curious
from
a
built
heritage
perspective.
What
does
that
mean
for
the
NCC
and
also
something
he
didn't
touch
on
in
your
in
your
presentation
at
all?
Was
24
Sussex
was
the
what's
the
plan
for
24
Sussex
thanks
right.
A
Well,
it
was
certainly
good
news
to
receive
some
funds.
As
you
may
know,
I
mean
our
asset
base,
as
I
was
alluding
to
in
the
presentation
is
tremendous.
It's
been
assessed
at
1.7
billion
dollars
and
generally
we
receive
twenty
seven.
Twenty
two
point:
seven
million
dollars
a
year
to
operate
that
portfolio
which
is
challenging.
So
this
money
is
great
news.
Obviously
it's
there's
now
a
question
of
where
that
money
will
be
spent
and
what
the
priorities
are
about.
A
The
NCC
has
been
well
positioned
to
try
to
identify
what
some
of
you
know
some
of
the
merchant
progress
and
there
are
many
heritage
projects
in
our
portfolio
that
will
receive
attention
through
that
funding.
So
I
can't
speak
to
what
those
are
yet
buts,
so
being
decided
and
the
priorities
are
being
set
but
and
then,
as
424
I
mean
this,
is
that
still
they're
still,
you
know
we're
sort
of
still
in
studying
the
site
and
we're
well
positioned
that
we
have
to
wait
to
sort
of
determine
what
the
government's
priority
is
for
that
site.
A
B
Heather
I
was
going
to
ask
a
similar
question
about
the
money
in
the
budget.
Was
it
fifty
five
million?
And
so
just
because
so
the
answer
is
it's
not
it's,
not
your
public
to
which
buildings
or
which
parts
of
your
asset
base
that
money
is
going
to
go
towards.
Is
that
correct?
So
that's
still
to
be
it's.
A
The
priorities
are
being
set
because
we
have
well,
as
you
can
see,
as
you
can
imagine,
we
have
a
lot
of
work
that
could
be
done
and
needs
to
be
done
on
many
different
assets.
So
you
know
we
have
to
dis
figure
out
where
the
priorities
are,
but
certainly
there
are
many
heritage.
Buildings
that
are
can
are
candidates
for
investment
for
that
investments.
So
yeah
we
have
many
many
other
federal
designated
heritage
buildings,
but
also
some
of
our
other
other
assets.
A
B
Question
that
I
was
going
to
pose
was
wearing
my
ward
councillor
hat
I
was
obviously
very
very
excited
about
the
plans
announced
last
year,
450
Sussex
and
we're
going
to
see
the
Royal
Geographic
Society,
the
cane
and
Royal
Geographic
Society
moving
in
there
the
spring
are
there
other
ideas,
or
is
that
a
first
phase
of
a
multi-phase
process
for
that
site?
Or
is
the
expectation
that,
once
that
group
is
on
site,
you're
sort
of
done
with
that?
For
the
time
being,
I
have.
A
To
admit
I
I'm,
not
sure
I'm
the
best
person
to
answer
that
question
I
as
I
know
it's
for
sure
a
first
phase,
but
I
don't
know.
The
next
phase
is
because
I'm
a
little
less
involved
in
that
project,
given
that
it's
a
little
bit
less
of
a
heritage,
focused
project,
but
so
I
really
have
to
defer.
Elcan
I
can
find
out
the
answer
for
you,
but
I
don't
know
if
I
could
speak
too
much
to
about
the
next
next
stages
are
I.
Do.
B
Have
one
final
question
and
did
you
have
a
question?
Okay,
remember
small,
but
there
is
another
pavilion
that
you
didn't
mention
that
I'm
also
very
excited
about,
which
is
the
Ottawa
new
Edinburgh
Club,
and
that
was
one
of
your
in
my
write
that
that
was
one
of
the
2017
Pavillion
sites
and
that
is
on
the
larger
list
of
assets
that
could
potentially
be
subject
to
some
development
by
the
NCC.
A
B
Are
not
specifically
heritage
questions,
but
because
they're
part
of
the
presentation
I
take
the
liberty
down
some
part
of
your
presentation.
Actually
Scott
had
asked
the
questions.
I
had
the
heritage
questions,
so
the
part
of
your
presentation
was
about
the
capital
illumination
plan
and
I
love,
lighting
and
I
think
it
looks
great,
but
my
concern
is
just
from
a
light
pollution
standpoint
and
I
notice
that
some
of
the
pictures
that
you
illustrate
have
up
lighting,
which
I
think
is
the
worst
kind
of
lighting
in
terms
of
light
pollution.
A
Will
that
the
very
basis
of
that
plan
is
you
know
better
lighting,
not
more
lighting?
So
in
fact
your
point
and
that's
interesting
about
the
photo
that
I
if
it
had
up
waiting,
because
we
are
also
not
in
favor
of
up
lighting.
So
this
is
something
we're
trying
to
reduce
and
so
for
dark
sky,
though
the
reasons
that
that
you'd
be
concerned
about
we're.
A
Definitely
that's
in
the
plan
front
and
center
that
it's
it's
not
about
more
lighting,
it's
about
better
lighting
and
thinking
about
how
we
create
an
eight-time
atmosphere
that
is
more
attractive
and
better,
but
at
the
same
time
respecting
nights,
dark
sky
and
time
and
and
more
better
than
so
forth.
So
one
thing
that's
been
interested
so
for
many
of
the
projects
that
have
come
forward.
A
It's
been
an
interesting
discussion
actually
with
the
federal
heritage
buildings
review
office
as
well,
because
they're
also
interested
in
that,
and
also
in
minimizing
impacts
to
the
buildings
by
adding
too
many
things.
So
there's
always
a
discussion
that
takes
place
between
what
kind
of
lighting
is
appropriate
so
that
it's
not
fixing
too
many
things
to
the
buildings,
but
also
not
projecting
too
much
in
an
upward
direction.
So
that's
this
always
a
little
bit
of
a
fine,
fine
tuning,
but
that's
definitely
front
and
center
in
the
plan.
But
that's
the
goal.
A
Now
one
of
the
areas
we've
had
at
the
NCC-
that's
been
a
big
discussion
has
been
actually
our
our
lamp
standards
around
the
Capitol.
You
know
the
globes
because
in
fact,
their
heritage
element
in
many
ways
in
the
Capitol,
but
they
also
are
kind
of
not
the
best
practice
in
terms
of
where
we're
trying
to
go
with
lighting,
but
so
it's
my
best
one
where,
luckily,
with
technology
now
there's
opportunities
to
retrofit,
you
know
so
that
you
can
still
have
downward.
A
B
A
C
Thank
you,
my
apologies.
Being
later,
I
got
caught
behind
an
accident
and
I've
asked
rolled
through
all
the
pictures
and
I
just
say:
I
love
to
see
the
Heritage
once
there
something
I
remember
when
I
was
a
child,
because
the
way
that
of
Union
Station,
when
all
the
things
were
there
long
very
best,
and
also
thank
you
for
the
urbanism
lab
I've
been
to
a
number
of
the
sessions
there
I'm
a
driver
by
training.
C
So
those
things
were
they
grabbed
me
and
the
other
thing
is
been
so
involved
in
Kanata,
where
we
tried
to
create
a
community
that
fit
in
with
nature.
That's
really
one
things
on
earth.
Does
it
arrays
to
you?
Is
we
do
a
city
built
with
nature
incorporated
into
it?
Sometimes
the
green
that
acts
as
a
barrier
to
what
we
need
for
our
urbanism
in
the
community
and
I?
C
Think
it's
working
a
little
better
now
than
it
used
to,
but
I
think
there
needs
to
be
an
understanding
that,
although
you
have
a
very
special
mandate,
the
mandate
doesn't
mean
that
the
city
is
ignored,
because
the
city's
needs
are
integral
part
of
the
whole
thing.
But
we
do
have
to
keep
the
nature
focus
which
you've
done
quite
well,
but
the
sometimes
overwhelmingly
over
the
urban
needs,
which
creates
different
issues
for
us
as
a
city.
So
it's
just
something
to
raise
in
I.
C
Didn't
have
looked
at
your
new
plan
and
it
does
things
like,
though
I
wanted
to
do
a
dog
park
and
it's
possible
to
do
it
in
the
NCC
lands
or
some
of
these
plans,
but
you're
putting
your
plan
will
have
no
more
dog
parks
anywhere
in
the
Greenbelt,
even
on
leased
land,
which
means
I
have
to
get
other
things
to
change
that,
because
councillor
Taylor
and
I
was
kind
of
working
together
on
this
and
I've
talked
to
Westley
clover.
They
can't
have
one
there,
but
this
policy.
So
it's
a
little
bit
over
restrictive.
C
Sometimes
you
could
have
said
we
discourage
them
and
in
saying
that
ban
the
city
does
that
sometimes
too,
by
the
way?
There's
not
just
yourself,
but
it's
the
case
of
having
black
and
white,
something
you
need
some
praise
around
the
place.
I
do
love
the
way
you're
protecting
some
of
the
heritage
buildings
in
the
community.
C
C
A
Thank
you
and
I
think
you're
speaking
actually
directly
to
the
Sir
John
McDonald
Parkway
plan.
It's
a
I
think
it's
a
really
that's
the
direction
for
sure
in
that
plan,
to
try
to
connect
people
to
the
river
and
to
teach
about
conservation
and
sustainability
and
what
that
means-
and
it's
been
a
wonderful
partnership
with
the
community
there
around
the
winter
winter
recreation
where
there's
been
the
ski
trail,
that's
been
groomed
and
so
forth,
and
so
there's
some
really
I
think
there
are
some
great
opportunities
and
some
good
momentum
going
on
some
of
those
MCC.
C
Has
never
done
anything
outside
the
Greenbelt
and
that's
the
thing
a
little.
There
are
some
things
there
that
you
could
be
involved
in
when
we
have.
The
city
has
protected
some
of
the
land,
fortunately,
but
the
there
are
some
things
where
we
get
partnering
and
moving
things
a
little
bit,
not
just
Greenbelt
and
in
because
you
have
absolutely
nothing
outside
the
Greenbelt
and
that
and
I
didn't
even
see
that
very
much
in
the
plan.
You
talked
a
little
bit
about
some
things,
but
I
don't
see
any
action
things
there.
D
Thank
you
very
much.
It
was
a
very,
very
good
talk
and
great
to
see
those
images.
Things
coming
along.
I
said
on
the
doors
open,
Auto,
Advisory,
Council
and
I'm
really
happy
to
tell
you
that
the
Canadian
Geographic
Society
are
on
board
for
doors
open
this
year.
Yeah
sorry
I
bet
there'll
be
a
lineup
for.
D
This
is
about
the
extension
or
the
addition
to
the
Chateau
Laurier
hotel
and
when
I
was
at
the
open
house
last
week,
I
heard
a
lot
of
questions
about
illumination
and
you
know
what
it's
like.
When
you
have
something
that's
very
bright,
it
tends
to
put
everything
around
it
in
darkness
and
we
are
talking
about
a
unesco
world
heritage
say
we
have
the
parliamentary
precinct
right
now,
the
lighting
from
the
rear.
You
know
the
e/m,
the
the
parliamentary
library,
the
beautiful
Gothic
Revival
buildings
and
I'm.
D
D
A
Know
absolutely
with
the
lighting
on
the
lighting
side,
I
mean.
The
plan
is
very
focused
on
the
idea
that
the
lighting
should
focus
on
the
national
symbols
you
know
and
so
that
at
the
end
it
should,
as
you
said,
that
there
shouldn't
be
kind
of
your
eye
should
be
drawn
toward
some
of
the
icons.
You
know
the
iconic
sights.
A
A
That
being
said,
we
do
the
proponent
has
been
working
with
us
following
a
federal
approval
process,
but
we're
sort
of
you
know
the
city
is
really
the
lead
on
that,
but
we
are
working
closely
with
the
city
because
we
want
to
be
on
the
same
page
as
where
that's
going,
because,
basically
we
will
have
an
approval
in
the
sense
that
if
the
project
goes
ahead,
it
is
crossing
federal
land.
I
was.
A
B
Okay,
well,
I
see
no
other
questions.
So
how
do
many
thanks
for
coming
out
this
morning?
That
was
really
useful
and
I
think
really
important
for
the
city
and
the
NCC
to
be
working
together
on
these
things
and
I
know
that
the
cooperation
among
staff
is
very,
very
good
and
it's
great
for
us
to
get
a
briefing
on
the
exciting
projects
you're
doing
so.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
coming
in.
Thank
you.