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Built Heritage Sub-Committee meeting – February 8, 2018 – Audio Stream
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B
Any
declarations
of
interest
this
morning,
no
confirmation
of
minutes
can
we
confirm
the
minutes
of
11
January
2018
are
those
K
great
okay,
so
we
have
two
substantive
items
before
us
this
morning.
The
first
is
an
application
for
demolition
and
new
construction,
that
50
Lakeway
drive
property
designated
under
part
5
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
and
located
in
the
Rockland
Park
Heritage
Conservation,
District
I.
Don't
have
any
speakers
signed
up
for
this
item
and
so
I
guess.
My
question
for
the
committee
is
whether
we
can
pass
this
on
consent.
B
D
You
note
that
the
guidelines
anticipate
that
buildings
may
demolished
and
replaced
in
you
know
the
rock
love
park
Heritage
Conservation
District,
which
is
fine
yet
in
a
city
survey,
an
evaluation
form.
It
states
that
the
streets
importance
lies
in
it
being
part
of
a
new
Rock
Liffe
subdivision
of
1949,
specifically
whose
houses
reflect
the
influence
of
modernists
such
as
Lloyd
Wright,
Frank,
Lloyd,
Wright,
Walter,
Gropius
and
Mies
van
der
Rohe,
and
further
that
the
property
is
one
of
several
mid
20th
century
residences
which
relate
to
each
other
in
materials
and
design.
D
C
D
C
D
C
Staff
interprets
that
through
your
mr.
chair,
the
property
is
a
liquid
drive,
many
of
them
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
street.
From
subject
property,
a
50
Lakeway
have
been
a
searcher
indoor
and
while
it's
on
two
storey
houses
there
and
a
lot
of
the
one-story
bungalows
have
actually
four
that
are
not
contributing
so
great
to
have
been
lost
over
the
years.
And
so
we
factored
that
into
our
analysis.
So.
D
Do
you
think
more
have
gone?
Men
are
still
there,
I
think
so,
yes,
so,
but
just
generally
speaking,
that's
not
really
an
issue,
because
we
are
talking
about
a
part,
five
designation
as
opposed
to
a
part
4.
So
just
that
core
holistic
perspective
anyhow.
Thank
you
very
much.
That
was
just
my
comment.
Tenant
and
I
guess
a
little
bit
reflecting
a
concern
that
I
have
as
well
about
about
how
we
approach
these
things.
Thank,
You,
Ashley,.
B
D
There
are
in
the
district,
mr.
chair,
building
modernist
buildings
that
are
contributing.
There
are
few
on
this
side
of
the
lake.
Just
because
there's
the
contributing
scores
are
a
result
of
analysis
of
three
things:
architecture,
history
and
design.
So
there
are
a
couple
on
the
side
and
more
on
the
other
side
of
the
lake.
Thank.
B
You
okay,
so
if
there
are
no
other
questions
and
comments
and
is
this
item
K?
Okay,
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
coming
out
this
morning.
So
item
2
is
an
application
to
permit
the
demolition
of
the
again
in
High
Commission
231
Coburg
Street,
a
property
located
in
the
world,
Laurier
Heritage,
Conservation
District,
and
an
application
for
new
construction
on
the
same
site.
So
we're
going
to
start
by
asking
staff
to
provide
a
brief
presentation
of
this
item.
Please.
D
Powerpoint,
that's
on
that
member
screens
or
not
my
deepest
apologies.
Members
of
the
committee
I
changed
the
order
of
the
slides
yesterday,
but
they
did
not
add
any
new
ones,
so
you
might
have
to
look
at
the
big
screen
rather
than
the
little
screen
for
the
first
six,
and
then
it
goes
back
to
to
what
you
have.
So
this
application
is
in
front
of
you
today
as
an
application
for
demo.
D
D
Oh
there
we
go
at
the
corner
of
whale
rod
and
a
Coburg
and
world
broad
streets.
This
is
the
subject
property.
It's
in
it
adjacent
to
buildings
were
constructed
in
the
1940s.
Replacing
a
large
nineteenth-century
house
that,
on
a
very
large
lot
immediately
to
the
north
and
out
of
the
district,
is
in
1970s
hebbs.
D
D
Australia
and
France
as
a
building-
it's
not
their
embassy,
but
there's
a
number
of
these
large
houses
that
have
been
adopted
for
use
by
embassies.
In
addition,
there
is
at
2:43
Augusta
a
designated
property,
which
was
which
is
known
as
the
four
designated
property,
also
which
is
known
as
the
Pearson
house
in
amongst
these
19th
century
buildings.
There
are
a
number
of
new
infill
armed
structures,
for
example,
and
interspersed
with
the
older
building
stock.
D
The
world
blog
Laurier,
Heritage,
Conservation
District,
was
designated
in
1982.
It
operated
without
any
kind
of
plan
or
guidelines
until
2015,
when
council
approved
the
new
HCD
plan.
According
to
the
on
to
the
revision,
the
post
2005
revisions
to
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
the
will
Broadway
a
plan
describes.
D
I'm
just
summarizing
it,
for
you
also
characteristics
of
the
district,
are
large
covered
front,
porches,
generous
front
lawns,
consistent
sized
setbacks,
historic
streets,
layout
and
walk
pattern,
but
not
everywhere,
because
where
there's
been
subdivisions
like
this,
there
were
lots
created
through
severance.
The
street
pattern
is
interrupted
and
it's
also
characterized
by
deciduous
Street
trees
and
boulevards.
So
that
is
what
what's
the
HCD,
how
it
is
described
in
the
attributes
that
are
a
requirement
of
every
HCD
plan.
D
The
following
slides
will
show
the
current
building,
as
I
said,
constructed
in
1941
replacing
a
larger
house.
The
two
adjacent
buildings
were
also
constructed.
At
the
same
time,
the
building
built
as
a
flat-roofed
two
unit
building
has
a
shared
with.
It
was
built
as
a
two
unit
building
with
shared
front
entrance.
It
features
simple
shallow
coins
and
frontispiece
and
a
modest
cornice
8
/
8
windows.
Also,
it's
the
building
never
had
any
outdoor
space
or
balconies
from
1955
to
1958,
Lester
Pearson
and
his
wife
and
one
of
the
units
in
the
building.
D
At
the
time
he
was
minister
of
External
Affairs
and
had
offices
in
the
East
Bloc
in
1957.
During
his
tenure
there,
he
was
awarded
the
Nobel
Peace
Prize
for
his
work,
establishing
a
peacekeeping
force
in
Egypt
during
the
1956
Suez
Crisis,
prompted
by
masters
nationalization
of
the
Suez
Canal.
Although
he
lived
at
231
Coburg
when
he
received
the
price
the
prize,
the
building
is
not
explicitly
or
meaningfully
associated
or
identified
with
his
work
at
the
time
which
mostly
took
place
at
the
UN.
D
D
The
current
application
is
to
demolish
the
existing
building
and
cannot,
which
is
now
serves
and
has
served
since
nineteen,
the
1980s
as
the
High
Commission
of
Uganda,
the
the
current
application,
proposes
the
demolition
of
the
building
and
the
construction
of
a
three-story
replacement
building.
The
proposal
also
requires
site
plan
approval
and
a
rezoning
and
those
are
on
the
Planning
Committee
agenda
for
February
27th.
D
The
following
slides
will
show
a
some
of
the
issues
related
to
the
structure
of
the
of
the
property.
This
this
slide
shows
some
of
the
walls
that
are
the
result.
There
has
been
differential
settling
of
the
property
for
a
number
of
years,
and
this
shows
how
that
differential,
settling
has
resulted
in
cracks
in
the
building.
D
That
was
the
result
of
these
the
desiccation
and
the
shrinking
of
clay
soils
in
as
a
result
of
climate
change
that
this
engineering
study
also
found
that
there
was
localized
desiccation
as
a
result
of
adjacent
trees
that
were
searching
for
moisture
and
the
cold
water
out.
The
settling
and
cracking
of
the
High
Commission
prompted
the
new
gammas
to
leave
their
offices
there
in
2014,
because
there
was
a
feeling
that
it
was
no
longer
safe
throughout
their
tenancy
that
started
in
1985
to
2014.
D
There
were
attempts
to
repair
the
cracking
and
solve
some
of
the
issues
in
2015
there
was
another
engineering
report
commissioned
by
the
High
Commission
and
it
described
in
detail
the
construction
methods
of
the
building.
The
masonry
block
would
flame
concrete
floor
which
all
led
to
to
this
cracking
and
like
the
1920
new
plate,
the
2013
report.
D
This
the
2015
report
confirmed
that
the
cause
of
the
cracking
was
differential
settlement
and
then
there
were
further
studies
that
looked
at
how
to
repair
the
building
and
that
and
the
solution
was
piles
driven
in
to
the
ground
to
a
depth
of
20
meters
before
you
could
find
bedrock
and
and
settle
it
down
and
there's
he's
much
more
technical
than
that.
But
that's
a
synopsis
there's
also
been
at
least
two
geotechnical
reports
that
confirm
the
causes
of
the
settling
that
also
date
from
2013.
D
D
D
There
were
11
major
changes
suggested
to
the
building
as
a
result
of
this
work
with
them
with
the
applicant,
and
these
include
the
lowering
of
the
building
so
that
the
wheelchair
lab
the
ramp,
which
is
here,
could
be
entirely
located
to
the
front
of
the
building,
the
lowering
height
of
the
building,
so
the
that
that
was
the
result
of
lowering
the
height
of
the
building.
A
setting
back
of
the
third
floor,
using
gray
instead
of
white
tiles.
D
On
the
third
floor,
setting
back
the
rooftop
terrace,
adding
windows
to
the
there
so
there's
the
front,
you
can
see
the
the
differences
here.
This
is
the
lowered
profile,
etc
and
for
the
recommendations
were
adding
windows
on
the
south
side
to
create
a
more
residential
character,
making
one
simple
staircase
to
the
front
door,
whereas
the
revisions
had
shown
a
more
complicated
entrance
and
in
improving
the
landscaping
to
create
a
more
residential
field
to
this
to
this
corner.
Now
in
the
in
the
district.
D
In
the
there
will
ongoing
discussions
about
this
window
and
and
it
it's
its
division
and
I-
think
that
the
applicant
is
so.
You
know
that
there
could
be
further
refinements
to
give
the
building
more
residential
character.
So
here
again
we
have
the
previous
version
and
the
current
version
with
some
the
increased
landscaping
and
a
buffer
along
the
street
which
currently
doesn't
exist.
D
So
the
Wilber
glorying,
Heritage
Conservation
District
guidelines,
talk
about
new
builders
and
that
they
will
contribute
and
not
detract
from
the
Heritage
character
and
that
they
should
be
of
their
own
time
and
not
attempt
to
replicate
an
historic
style.
So
again,
the
oh,
that's
not
doesn't
replace
the
1941
building
the
building
is
in
1940
building
replacing
an
earlier
one.
Oh
no,
the
new
one
does
sorry
mixed
up.
Yes,
it
replaces
the
1941
building.
D
The
HCD
guidelines
also
address
cladding
materials,
and
in
this
case
the
building
is
red
brick
to
reflect
the
character
of
the
HCD
and
the
third
floors
and
gray
panels
that
evoke
gable
ends
in
the
district.
They
talk
about
windows
and
new
buildings
that
should
be
vertically
aligned,
and
these
windows
are
aligned
to
reflect
traditional
window
patterns
in
the
HDD.
D
Next,
the
standards
and
guidelines
for
the
the
that
have
been
adopted
by
council
talk
about
conserve
the
heritage,
value
of
an
x-torq
place.
The
building
will
not
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
defined
heritage.
Characters
of
the
HCD
and
the
landscaping
proposed
is
and
enhancements
to
the
current
landscaping
so
that
meets
standard.
One
standard
11
talks
about
conserving
the
heritage,
value
and
character,
defining
elements
when
creating
any
new
additions
to
an
historic
place.
D
D
That's
why
I
went
through
the
Heritage,
the
the
extensive
work
on
the
structure
of
as
a
result
of
the
to
the
to
engineering
reports
in
geotech
reports.
Just
to
show
that
this
this
was
very
closely
considered
and
and
again
it's
not
normally
cannot
normally
recommended.
But
we
did
feel
that
in
this
particular
instance,
the
evidence
was
enough
to
warrant
not
objecting
to
the
demolition
of
the
building,
so
consultation
councillor
flurry
does
not
support
the
proposal.
Action
Sandy
Hill
does
not
support
the
proposal.
Sorry,
this
was
heritage.
D
Ottawa
did
not
comment
that
I
just
got
those
comments
and
encircle
ated
to
you.
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
change
the
slide.
My
apologies
neighbors
were
notified
and
there
was
a
public
meeting
that
six
people
attended
organized
by
the
councillor
that
the
applicant
was
there
and
his
heritage
consultant,
so
both
architect
and
consultant
were
there
and
the
people
at
the
six
people
at
that
meeting
also
did
not
support
the
application.
D
So
conclusion,
as
a
mid
20th
century
replacement
building
in
the
19th
century
district
noted
for
its
upper
middle
class
houses
range
of
eclectic
building
styles:
the
building
is
a
marginal
architectural
value.
It
is
not
explicitly
a
meaningfully
identified
with
the
work
of
Lester
Pearson
during
his
tenure
there.
D
The
structural
damage
to
the
building
as
a
result
of
unstable
soil
conditions
have
rendered
it
unsafe,
so
heritage
staff
supports
the
application
for
demolition
and
the
that's
the
last
light
and
and
the
new
construction
in
the
heritage
of
the
of
the
Ugandan
embassy,
as
has
developed
in
close
consultation
with
the
architect
to
reflect
the
Heritage
Conservation
District
guidelines.
Thank
you.
B
E
Sorry,
mr.
Escher,
yes,
mr.
Cho
I
just
wanted
to
indicate
that,
in
consultation
with
some
of
the
members
of
the
committee,
it
is
looking
like
there
would
be
a
motion
to
refuse
the
application
coming
from
this
committee.
But
at
the
same
time,
I
think
that
there
is
I
just
wanted
to
give
notice
that
we
might
be
looking
to
refer
this
back
to
staff
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
at
this
point
wanted
to
just
give
notice
of
that.
B
F
Morning,
mr.
chair,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
this
file.
My
name
is
Chad
Rollins
I'm,
president
of
action,
Sandy
Hill
I
also
live
on
Coburg
Street.
Just
a
few
blocks
from
this
property
I'm
here
today,
just
to
express
our
strong
opposition
to
the
application
to
demolish
and
replace
the
Ugandan
high
Commission's
Chancery
Building
at
231
Coburg.
You
already
heard
I
thinks
of
sufficient
information
about
the
fact
that
this
is
in
a
heritage,
Conservation
District
and
it
is
identified
as
a
contributing
building
in
that
district.
F
The
district
plan
I
think
it's
important
to
mention
states
clearly
that
contributing
buildings
are
important
to
be
maintained
in
order
to
keep
the
character
of
the
district.
The
heritage
value
as
I
understand
it
of
a
district
lies
in
the
amalgam
of
those
contributing
buildings,
and,
if
that's
the
case
really
how
many
of
those
buildings
can
we
lose
before
the
district
begins
to
lose
its
value.
F
The
plan
for
this
district
actually
states
that
its
value,
its
cultural
heritage
value,
lies
in
its
association
with
the
development
of
Sandy
Hill
in
the
19th
and
20th
centuries,
particularly
as
an
upper-middle-class
neighborhood.
That
was
home
to
many
politicians
and
senior
civil
servants,
including
prime
ministers,
McDonald
Laurier,
Mackenzie,
King
and
Pearson.
This
building,
which
was
built
in
the
mid
20th
century
and
was
home
to
Prime
Minister
Pearson,
certainly
seems
to
fit
precisely
with
that
description
of
the
cultural
heritage
value
of
the
district.
F
It
is
difficult
to
understand,
therefore,
how
staff
have
been
able
to
dismiss
this
as
a
marginal
building.
According
to
the
proponent,
they
had
to
vacate
the
build
urgently
for
their
safety
about
four
years
ago
and
it
has
stood
vacant
since,
in
the
last
several
months,
several
groups
have
been
taken
on
tours
of
the
building.
Indeed,
the
proponent
gave
members
of
Ashe
a
tour
of
this
building
in
April
of
2017.
We
certainly
were
not
required
to
wear
hardhats
masks
or
any
other
kind
of
protective
equipment.
F
So
I
have
a
little
bit
of
an
issue
with
saying
that
the
building
is
unsafe,
the
building
remains
standing
and
the
proponents
have
admitted
to
us
that
it
was
in
a
much
better
state
of
repair
when
they
vacated
the
building.
Sadly,
they've
left
it
vacant
unheated
leaking
and
unmaintained
for
four
years.
This
has
compounded
the
problems
and
it's
a
classic
example
of
demolition
through
neglect.
The
staff
report
accepts
that
the
problem
is
caused
by
differential
settling
of
the
foundation
due
to
unstable
soil
condition
in
Sandy
Hill.
F
But
as
somebody
who
lives
just
a
few
blocks
away,
I
can
tell
you
everybody
in
Sandy.
Hill
has
to
contend
with
that
issue.
All
the
time.
In
the
five
years
I've
lived
in,
my
house
I've
had
to
hire
geotechnical
engineers,
structural
engineers,
due
to
settling
due
to
some
issues
with
the
leader,
clay,
soil.
So
I
don't
think
that
alone
should
be
sufficient
grounds
for
demolition.
The
fact
is
that
we're
pairing
these
kinds
of
foundations
were
quite
as
underpinning
and
serious
intervention.
During
the
30
years,
the
Ugandan
High
Commission
has
owned
the
building.
F
They
have
patched
the
cracks
absolutely,
but
they
have
never
underpinned
the
foundation.
They
have
never
undertaken
the
real
major
repairs
that
need
to
happen
to
stabilize
the
building.
It
is
a
contributing
building.
In
the
district,
it
was
the
home
of
former
Prime
Minister
Lester
B
Pearson,
when
he
was
our
minister
of
External
Affairs.
When
he
dealt
with
the
Suez
intervention
and
was
awarded
the
Nobel
Prize
for
his
efforts,
it
seems
difficult
to
say
that
your
home
doesn't
play
a
part
in
your
life
when
you're
working
on
something
like
that.
F
I
can't
imagine
that
he
worked
on
that
in
the
office
and
was
completely
divorced
from
it
when
he
came
home,
I'm
sure
his
home
played
a
role,
a
proving
demolition
of
a
contributing
building
and
HCD
in
our
opinion,
sends
the
wrong
message
and
it
poses
a
serious
threat
to
all
of
our
heritage
conservation
districts.
Approving
such
a
demolition
when
the
building
has
been
so
clearly
neglected
is
equally
troubling.
F
B
C
Thank
you
tried
you
mentioned
that
tell
you
live
in
the
neighborhood
and
that
many
of
your
neighbors
share
the
same
issue
of
the
settling
of
their
houses.
I
have
properties
from
there
and
I.
Have
the
same
thing
too.
Did
the
engineers
suggest
to
you
that
you
should
drive
piles,
20
meters
down
to
the
bedrock
to
to
deal
with
the
problem
of
your
house,
or
did
they
suggest
a
simple
underpinning
not.
F
In
my
particular
case,
no
I
had
to
do
some
repairs
and
some
underpinning,
but
I
have
certainly
seen
a
neighbors
who've
had
to
drive
piles
down
to
bedrock
in
order
to
support
the
sinking
foundations.
I've
had
at
least
one
neighbor
who
spent
about
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
doing
that
at
a
corner
of
their
property.
Good.
F
B
B
F
B
F
Great,
thank
you
so
we're
a
historical
research
firm
here
in
Ottawa
we
were
hired
by
action,
Sandy
Hill
last
week
to
look
into
this
property.
We
are
not
doing
a
heritage
assessment
on
this,
rather
we're
here
to
do
provide
a
history
of
Lester
B
Pearson.
During
his
tenure
there
was
some
doubt
as
to
whether
his
residence
was
there.
So
what
we
want
to
really
do
is
just
highlight
that
this
was
the
home
of
Lester
B
Pearson.
It's
been
confirmed
in
the
directories
and
it's
at
a
prominent
time
in
his
career
and
I.
F
Think
that's
not
being
played
enough
in
this
and
not
as
prime
ministerial
career
but
his
diplomatic
career,
the
building
itself
as
a
waypoint
for
an
important
moment
in
Canadian
history,
the
Nobel
Peace
Prize,
which
I'll
get
into,
and
it's
part
of
a
political
heritage
landscape
in
Sandy
Hill.
So
this
comes
at
the
height
of
the
Golden
Age
of
Canadian
foreign
policy,
also
termed
persona
and
diplomacy.
F
Pearson
was
involved
with
the
Palestinian
partition
in
1947.
He
was
an
architect
of
NATO
and
49.
He
helped
broker
the
Korean
War
throughs
53
and
was
president
of
the
UN
General
Assembly.
In
1954,
we
see
in
1954
that
1955
1954
he
purchases,
231
Coburg
Avenue
his
wife,
with
his
wife
we
get
to
1956,
which
is
the
suez
crisis.
F
Because
of
the
suez
crisis,
it
was
the
birth
of
peacekeeping,
something
that
Canadians
have
become
internationally
known
for,
and
he's
awarded
the
Nobel
Peace
Prize
in
57
1958.
The
reason
he
leaves
the
property
is
to
go
to
strong
way
as
the
leader
of
the
Opposition.
During
the
the
speech
for
the
Peace
Prize,
that
was
stated.
Never
since
the
end
of
the
last
war
has
the
world
situation
been
darker
than
during
suez
crisis.
This
wasn't
a
little
trade
negotiation.
F
This
was
a
critical
point
in
the
Cold
War
that
less
Toby
Pearson
stepped
in
with
Pierre
Sony
and
diplomacy.
He
was
cited
the
man
who
contributed
more
than
anyone
else
to
save
the
world
at
this
time
that
man
was
lesser,
B
Pearson,
so
Life
magazine
featured
him
in
an
article
that
year,
I'll
just
note
that
the
Peace
Prize
hadn't
been
given
for
two
years
prior.
There
was
no
one
in
the
world
deserving
of
it
until
Lester
Pearson
received
it.
This
is
what
it
was
said
at
home.
He
spends
his
evening
with
white
Marion.
F
They
live
in
a
seven
room
apartment,
a
mile
and
a
half
from
Parliament
Pearson
walks
to
work
for
exercise,
and
this
is
the
picture
of
Pearson
after
he
received
his
his
prize
in
the
apartment,
that's
at
his
home.
So
we
know
that
this
is
an
extremely
significant
four
Canadians
and
Canadian
history
he's
the
only
person
to
have
won
a
Nobel
Peace
Prize
are
the
only
Canadian,
it's
also
the
invention
of
part
of
our
cultural
identity,
peacekeeping.
F
F
F
The
political
heritage
landscape
has
a
tangible
heritage,
markers
like
this
home
and
they
tell
the
personal
histories
of
Canadian
leadership
and
I
will
say
part
of
that
peer.
Sony
and
diplomacy
is
represented,
I.
Think
in
that
house,
I
mean
he's
the
minister
of
External
Affairs,
staying
in
an
apartment
that
they
bought
as
an
income
property
because
he's
a
humble
man
not
overly
ambitious,
which
is
detailed
in
John,
English's,
biography
of
him.
F
B
E
G
Morning,
chair
members
of
committee,
I
like
to
start
off
by
saying
that
you
know
one
of
our
primary
roles
in
this
city
and
in
our
practice,
is
one
of
heritage
conservation.
So
when
we
were
approached
to
offer
a
chest
on
this
particular
project,
our
first
stance
would
initially
be
one
of
retention
of
the
heritage
assets
and
the
and
the
contribution
to
the
district.
G
And
so
you
know
we
were
a
little
initially
a
little
bit
tentative
but
as
we
were
provided
with
some
of
the
documents
and
were
able
to
actually
tour
the
building
itself,
you
know
more
I,
guess
or
said
a
different
opinion
began
to
form.
So
you
know
we're
we're
very
cognizant
of
the
I
guess:
character
of
the
district,
the
connections
to
mr.
Pierson
that
had
be
made.
You
know
this.
His
wife
purchased
this
building
for
a
period
in
time,
but
we
really
guided
our
cultural
heritage
impact
statement
on
the
light
heritage
character
of
the
district.
G
All
of
the
factors
that
have
been
mentioned,
including
you
know,
various
hazardous
materials,
abatement
of
mold
structural
problems,
so
the
almost
complete
complete
building,
redo
and
emissive
extensive
effort
that
would
still
end
up
with
a
building
that
didn't
meet
the
clients
functional
program.
So
you
know
we
we're
of
the
value
that
this
you
know
the
existing
building
itself
demotion
earlier
building.
C
And
the
previous
presentation,
I
thought
was
very
impressive.
Did
you
in
your
study?
Do
you
have
any
reason
to
disagree
with
anything
that
was
presented
to
us
in
that
previous
presentation
about
the
history
and
the
importance
of
Lester
Pearson
that
time
in
his
career
and
the
fact
that
he
was
there
in
a
very
important
time
in
Canadian
history,
to
have
any
disagreement
with
that
I
have.
G
C
G
Have
reviewed
the
structural
reports
and
geotechnical
studies?
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
any
issue
with
them
per
se.
I
think
we've
we've
said
to
the
design,
architects
intercity
staff,
you
know
virtually
any
structure
you
know
can
be
saved
and
if
you
put
enough
technical
know-how
and
money
at
it,
so
it's
not
a
question
of
if
this
building
could
be
stabilized.
B
I
have
a
question
myself:
I
guess
it
goes
to
an
issue
that
I'm
struggling
with
as
I
am
listening
to
the
various
speakers.
Mr.
Martin,
do
you
think
owners
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
of
designated
buildings,
an
upper
floor
or
contributing
buildings
and
heritage
conservation
districts
have
a
responsibility
to
ensure
that
the
buildings
they
own
from
the
point
of
ownership
from
the
date
of
ownership
onwards
remain
in
a
condition,
that's
livable,
so
that
they
don't
require
demolition?
Do
you
feel
that
owners
have
that
responsibility?
I
do.
B
A
Don't
really
have
that
too
much
to
say
in
terms
of
you
know
the
condition
of
a
building,
because
that's
been
stated
by
mr.
Koontz
and
reiterated
by
mr.
Martin
I
just
want
to
speak
to
the
idea
of
neighborhoods,
and
you
know
what
they
mean
to
us,
culturally
and
historically,
and
when
we
look
at
Sandy
Hill
and
it's
you
know
it's
tapestry
of
architectural
fabric,
that's
how
a
story-
a
history
of
that
neighborhood
that
you
know
during
different
times
in
its
history,
there
has
been
additions
to
to
the
neighborhood
and
now
that's
what
makes
it
special.
A
A
To
be
honest,
we
did
take
action,
Sandy
Hill,
and
we
did
a
lot
of
community
engagement
prior
to
you
know
coming
up
with
the
scheme
that
bettors
before
you
today,
and
not
only
did
we
engage
with
in
our
actions
and
email
to
you
know
and
perkily
take
them
through
the
building
to
demonstrate
the
condition
that
it's
in
I
do
understand
the
history
and
I
respect
it
I
understand.
You
know
the
the
position
of
the
neighborhood
and
it's
totally
totally
understandable.
A
But
what
has
to
be
considered
is
the
current
state
of
the
building
like
what
does
it
take
to
rehabilitate
the
building?
What
is
our
threshold?
What
is
a
reasonable?
You
know
threshold
like
mr.
Martin
was
saying
yes,
you
know
heroic
measures
can
be
adopted
to
prehabilitation
a
building.
But
again
you
know
what
is
the
threshold.
A
The
other
clients
vacated
the
building
because
it
was
structurally
unsafe
and
unball
mentally
unhealthy.
We
all
know
the
dangers
of
mold.
You
can
be
in
a
mold
environment
for
a
day
you
just
can't
right,
regardless
of
whether
the
building
was
neglected
or
not,
and
you
know
that
is
an
argument
that
can
be
had
and
clients
with
you
know,
challenged
properties
like
this
make
decisions
based
on
you
know
the
immediacy
of
what
the
problem
is
and
most
of
it
as
it
appeared
to
them,
was
essentially
just
cracking,
but
what?
A
If
what
they
didn't
realize
was
that
you
know
they
were
essentially
putting
a
band-aid
on
a
compound
fracture.
You
know
because
of
this
differential
settlement
problem
the
building
just
kept.
You
know,
cracking
and
cracking
the
with
fellow
instances
where
sections
of
the
slide
and
the
basements
had
to
be
replaced.
You
know,
so
it
is
not
a
fair
assessment
to
just
easily
say
it's
demolition
by
neglect
when
all
empirical
evidence
and
engineering
evidence
point
to
a
much
greater
issue,
and
that
is
why
we're
here
today,
yes,
I,
should
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
Okay,.
D
C
D
D
C
D
A
That
is
a
fair
question
and
I
to
be
quite
honest.
I
honestly,
don't
know
what
I
can
speak
to
is
you
know
the
relative
I'm,
just
like
s,
professionals,
we,
you
know
we,
we
have
the
advantage
of
being
able
to
assess
things
from
their
protocol
standpoint
and
then
draw
conclusions
based
on
that
that
leads
to
other.
A
A
No,
all
these
standards
within
reason
were
kept
out
up
to
the
point
where
they
realized.
You
know
when,
when
ceiling
stop,
you
know
caving
in
on
you
that
I've
been
in
life.
Safety
takes
precedence
over.
You
know
everything
else.
So
when
ceilings
not
caving
in
no
person
in
our
right,
mind
would
want
to
stay
in
up
in
a
property
way.
You
know
the
structure
is
falling
in
on
them,
and
that
is
what's
happening
in
this
building.
C
You
made
the
comment
that
the
building
was
structurally
unsafe.
I've
looked
through
the
engineer's
report
and
I
see
nothing
that
indicates
the
building
structurally
unsafe.
It
appears
that,
and
from
my
observant
and
from
the
photos,
there's
been
about
a
one-inch
subsidence
of
the
building,
which
is
extraordinarily
common
in
the
shifting
sands
of
Sandy
Hill.
So
I've
seen
a
couple
of
times
and
I
would
be
really
interested
to
know
that,
in
fact,
in
the
staff
report
it
also
mentions
the
building
being
declared
unsafe,
who
declared
it
unsafe.
C
As
I,
don't
see
any
report
stating
that
the
building
is
unsafe.
It
appears
that
there
is
a
bit
of
subsidence,
which
is
quite
common,
there's
mold,
which
is
as
a
result
of
the
owner
not
taking
care
of
water
infiltration.
There
was
some
plaster
that
fell
down,
which
also,
as
a
result
of
the
owners
maintenance
of
the
building.
So
can
you
just
explain
to
me
your
comment
that
the
building
was
structurally
unsafe?
C
A
That's
exactly
with
all
due
respect.
I
can't
speak
to
that
decision
to
vacate
the
building,
but,
from
my
experience,
I
have
25
years
experience
working
in
an
architectural
firm
that
does
heritage
conservation,
adaptive,
reuse
and
my
my
empirical
opinion
of
the
building
with
collapsing
ceilings
and
water
gushing
down
the
walls.
For
me
that
constitutes
unsafe.
C
A
C
B
C
C
I
am
NOT
going
to
go
through
in
detail
what
we
said
in
our
letter,
but
I
just
want
to
make
a
couple
of
points
for
us.
This
is
an
example
of
demolition.
By
neglect.
For
more
than
a
decade,
every
teach
other
law
has
been
urging
the
city
to
take
action
to
try
to
prevent
buildings
from
reaching
a
state
where
the
owner
perceives
that
they
have
no
choice
but
to
knowledge
the
barely,
especially
in
heritage
conservation
districts.
C
This
is
a
contributing
building
in
a
heritage,
conservation
district,
that's
associated
with
the
development
of
Sandy
Hill
in
19th
and
20th
centuries.
It
further
has
historian
states
that
this
district
has
historical
associations
with
prime
ministers
and
politicians.
This
was
the
home
briefly.
Once
of
a
prime
minister
before
and
when
he
was
a
politician
and
before
he
was
a
politician
when
he
was
a
civil
servant,
so
though
the
lease
is
all
part
of
the
cultural
heritage
value,
this
particular
Heritage
Conservation
District,
not
generally,
but
this
district.
C
So
we
think
that
the
current
building
should
be
kept
if
for
some
reason
it
gets
demolished.
We
would
welcome
the
changes
in
here
in
the
upgrade
of
the
design
of
the
new
building
that
we
hope
never
have
to
get
to
that
point.
But
there
are
some
other
things
that
we
would
like
to
address,
even
when
that
happens,
but
the
minister
another
time.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
C
A
question
for
staff:
okay
in
in
the
staff
report
was
recommendation.
One
says
in
2014
the
agenda
and
High
Commission
was
declared
unsafe,
due
to
cracking
caused
by
ongoing
differential
setting
that
foundation
walls
I'm
just
wondering
by
whom
was
it
declared
as
a
city
building
inspector
that
declared
the
building
unsafe.
D
2014,
because
of
the
cracking
and
the
cracks
in
the
walls
etc,
the
the
inhabitants
decided,
it
was
no
longer
safe
for
them
as
public
servants
to
to
work
in
the
building,
and
so
they
look
for
lease
space
and
move
to
another
space.
So
their
perception
was
that,
because
of
the
ongoing
cracking
and
I,
don't
know
exactly
who
who,
whose
opinion
they
saw
it
or
whether
it
was
their
own
opinion
that
they
were
not
that
they
could
not
guarantee
a
safe
workspace
for
the
workers
and
the
left.
It.
C
Would
be
helpful,
certainly
for
me,
as
a
committee
member,
that
if
a
statement
is
made
that
a
building
is
declared
unsafe,
that
we
be
given
some
indication
whether
it
was
self-declared,
the
owner
decided
it
was
unsafe
for
the
city
did
on
the
continue
on
in
the
report.
It
said
efforts
were
made
to
repair
the
cracking
and
shifting
of
the
structure.
I,
don't
see
any
evidence
of
it
and
the
engineer's
report
that
any
efforts
were
made
to
prevent
the
shifting
the
structure
and
refer
you
to
page
three
of
the
engineer's
report.
If
that's
helpful,
he.
C
In
the
engineer's
report
or
two
of
us,
it
says,
fundamental
cause
of
the
building
movement
was
not
resolved
and
it
is
not
clear
if
any
attempt
was
made
to
resolve
it.
So
this
is
the
engineer's
report
that
we
were
provided
with,
and
it
certainly
doesn't
seem
that
there
was
any
evidence
of
any
attempts
and
certainly
from
what
I
can
see.
There's
no
there's
no
evidence
that
any
attempts
were
ever
made
to
properly
either
under
the
other
efforts
to
stop
the
shifting.
It
seems
that
all
that
was
ever
done
with
some
surface
patching.
D
C
That
a
question
does
this
is
on
my
correct
and
saying
that
it
appears
your
statement
here
is:
is
that
efforts
were
made
to
repair
the
Kraken
and
the
shifting
of
the
structure?
What
I'm
asking
you
is
I
see
no
evidence
that
any
efforts
were
made
to
prevent
the
shifting
of
the
structure
and
I'm.
Referring
to
the
engineer's
report
that
we
were
provided
with.
D
D
Certainly
the
the
point
is
is
that
they
there
were
attempts
to
fix
the
building,
perhaps
on
the
part
of
a
sophisticated
property
owner
who
didn't
realize
the
extent
to
like
and
speak
for
them,
and
but
there
were
efforts
made
and,
and
they
no
longer
felt
safe
and
everyone
is
entitled
to
a
safe
workplace,
whether
it's
declared
unsafe
by
themselves
or
someone
else.
If
you
do
not
feel
safe,
where
you
work,
you
should
not
be
required
to
work
there
and
they
left
the
building.
C
Also,
with
respect
to
the
reported
mentions
about
the
hazardous
materials,
which
sounds
very
scary,
but
every
building
constructed
prior
to
1970
is
most
probably
going
to
have
hazardous
materials,
whether
it
be
LED
or
asbestos
or
whatever.
So
just
for
the
sake
of
the
committee,
I
think
it
does
lead
I
think
sometimes
a
report
might
be
given
to
an
argument
saying
there
are
hazardous
materials
here,
LED
paint
as
a
hazardous
material,
LED
paint
was
used
in
every
house
prior
to
1970.
C
D
C
B
Given
the
vice-chairs
allusion
to
a
motion
that
he
plans
to
table,
I
suggest
that
you
hold
off
on
those
questions.
Although
you
know
it
should
be
noted
for
the
record
that
in
future
you
know
if
applicants
are
going
to
rely
on
information
in
the
report,
it
would
be
wise
to
bring
forward
witnesses
who
can
speak
to
it.
So
unfortunately
we
don't
have
that
now,
but
I
think
the
issue
will
be
moot
if
the
vice-chairs
motion
is
is
carried
by
this
committee.
So
other
questions
or
comments
for
staff,
mister
Esther.
E
It's
just
one
question,
and
this
has
to
do
with
the
city's
rule
in
inspecting
the
building
under
the
property
Standards
Act
between
19,
2014
and
2017,
knowing
that
the
building
was
allowed
to
be
vacant
and
that
there
were
some
problems
with
the
foundations.
Was
there
an
inspection
done
by
the
city
property
standards
Department
to
examine
whether
or
not
this
building
was
in
the
process
of
being
allowed
to
be
demolished
through
neglect,
as
we
have
a
number
of
other
buildings
in
the
city,
what
is
the
status?
E
D
The
condition
of
the
building
we
first
started
dealing
with
Ugandan
High
Commission
in
2015,
so
for
the
first
year
there
was
that
there
was
no
from
my
understanding
the
public
awareness
of
the
reasons
that
it
was
what
was
abandoned
and
and
then
the
building
was
subsequently
placed
on
the
the
vacant.
Building
watch
list
on
that
that,
as
a
result
of
the
Heritage
Mathers
task
force
and
I
understand
that
them
I,
don't
know
whether
there
was
an
internal
examination,
but
there
was
that
when
it
was
added
there
was
an
inspection
made
that
more
orders
were
issued.
E
D
D
D
G
C
Mr.
president,
PMS
Imam
CMD
provocation,
wanna
sell
Omar,
Saskia
kikyo's
LM
I've
done
allosteric
ducati
on
the
Kenai
Okanagan
Laster
pursue
kapoor
tamil
telugu
sheela
presence
and
mystery.
The
mr.
Pierson,
if
we
transfer,
which
is
four
points
answered,
you
imperio,
do
locum
Sahir
this
deed
for
epithelial
bats.
Now
seen
as
on
kita
de
la
passione
authenticity
novelty,
narrow,
can
measure
cavity
PS
at
a
poker
poker,
G
Lake.
C
It
should
dollars
employee
who
donate
cotton,
wood
cut,
batsman,
Evo,
Derek
amethyst
on
oovoo
judge,
cut
poly
poor
people
at
X
are
yellow
you
can
the
mound
we
can
Helen
Archer
came
on
Twitter
that
sniper
company,
though,
doesn't
Missoula
schmaltzy,
said
that
delete
threat
Helen
why
the
convention
dimensions
about
smaller
car
Yeti
major
competitors
mix
on
I
bethought
account
of
reserve
in
Butler
on
Monza.
Clear
is
the
most
password
were
certain
Lucy
says:
strictly
Totten
El
Nacional
internationalism.
Asado
is
open.
Syria
expected
that
the
that
one
but
see
do
not
vision
and
net
community.
G
B
E
E
And
in
that
regard,
the
motion
that
I'm
going
to
make
is
to
ask
for
an
independent
engineering
review
commissioned
by
the
city.
So
I'll
read
the
motion.
Now
it's
a
bit
long
and
if
you
wouldn't
mind
being
with
me
on
that,
the,
whereas
the
members
of
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
have
requested
additional
review
of
engineering
issues
and
the
possible
retention
of
at
least
portions
of
the
building
at
2:31
Kohlberg
Street.
E
That
retains
or
incorporates
a
significant
portion
of
the
existing
building
or
a
new
design.
That
better
reflects
the
recommendations
contained
in
the
applicants.
Cultural
heritage
impact
statement
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
refer
this
matter
to
staff.
With
request
that
the
revised
report
be
brought
back
to
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
in
such
time
as
to
permit
consideration
by
the
subcommittee
planning
committee
and
City
Council
prior
to
May,
the
9th
thousand
eighteen
I
know
that's
long,
but
I
think
that
it
serves
to
do.
B
Yeah
and
I
think
an
answer
to
your
question:
counselor
flurry.
If
this
motion
were
carried
by
this
committee,
then
the
expectation
would
be
that
the
independent
structural
report
would
form
a
document
as
part
of
the
staff
report
coming
back
to
this
committee
in
April.
So
any
questions
to
the
vice-chair
on
his
proposed
motion.
Culture,
Washington.
C
E
Could
speak
to
that
to
be
like
I?
Think
that
if
you
look
at
the
applicants
cultural
heritage
impact
statement
prepared
by
Robertson
Martin
in
there,
they
have
three
recommendations
and
the
recommendations
relate
to
making
a
replacement
building
reflect
the
residential
character
rather
than
institutional
character.
Example
proposal,
and
that
comes
from
the
applicants.
Own
heritage
consultant.
So
I
think
that
that
would
be
an
active
element
and
revisiting.
B
I
may
be
all
provided
just
a
few
observations
on
this
file.
Firstly,
I
support
the
vice-chairs
proposed
referral
motion
for
a
couple
of
reasons.
The
first
is,
you
know:
we've
learned
today
that
we
have
an
owner
of
a
building
that
has
owned
it
for
34
years
and
during
that
time
has
made
choices
about
whether
to
keep
it
into
a
state
that
would
provide
for
its
further
occupancy.
B
But
the
public
knows
the
cost
in
terms
of
the
loss
of
heritage,
resources
and
I.
Think
it
would
be
a
mistake
for
us
to
agree
with
the
staff
recommendation
both
for
this
particular
case
and
for
the
general
message
that
it
sends
about
a
very
clear
with
the
responsibility
acknowledged
by
the
author
of
the
CH
is
that
owners
of
heritage
properties
have
in
the
city
to
maintain
their
property
in
a
state
that
does
not
require
demolition,
and
that
message
I
think
needs
to
be
made
very
very
loud
and
clear
by
this
committee.
B
I
would
encourage
staff
if
this
motion
is
passed
to
think
long
and
hard
about
the
message
that
this
committee
is
sending
on
that
point.
I
was
disappointed
to
learn
that
staff
relied
on
a
series
of
information
items
that
were
not
reflected
in
the
report.
So
I
would
ask
that
stuff
include
the
geotechnical
studies
that
were
made
mentioned.
They
are
not
included
in
this.
There
was
mention
of
a
second
engineering
study.
It
was
not
included
in
this
in
this
series
of
documents.
I
think.
B
In
order
for
us
to
make
the
decisions
that
residents
of
the
city
expect
of
us,
we
need
to
have
all
of
the
relevant
information
at
hand
and
my
advice
to
the
applicant
when
this
does
come
back
to
us
in
April.
Please
ensure
that
you
have
someone
who
can
speak
to
the
engineering
portions
of
this,
but
also
please
make
best
efforts.
I.
B
Think
what
you're
hearing
from
the
committee
today
is
a
very
keen
interest
in
the
applicant,
giving
this
another
go,
trying
harder
to
respect
what
the
community,
what
this
committee,
what
a
number
of
other
speakers
have
stated,
represents
an
important
building
of
cultural
heritage,
value
in
Sandy
Hill
and
in
this
Heritage
Conservation
District.
So
on
that
note
just
to
indicate
that
I
to
support
the
vice-chairs
motion
and
if
there
are
no
other
questions
or
comments,
I'll
put
it
before
the
committee
is
that
motion
care?
Okay?
Okay,
thank
you.