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Built Heritage Sub-Committee - Monday, June 20, 2022
Agenda and supporting documents available at www.ottawa.ca/agendas
A
Excellent,
I
see
that
counselor
gower
has
joined
us,
so
we
have
quorum.
So
I
will
begin.
I
expect
that
we
will
have
more
members
joining
us,
save
those
who
have
provided
regrets
so
good
morning
and
welcome
to
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
meeting
of
june
20th
2022
I'd
like
to
call
the
members
to
order.
A
Although
this
meeting
is
being
held
virtually.
I
would
like
to
acknowledge
that
the
land
on
which
ottawa
is
built
upon
is
unseated
algae
and
anishinaabe
territory.
I'd
like
to
take
a
moment
to
acknowledge
the
people
of
the
algonquin
anishinaabe
nation
and
that
they've
lived
on
this
territory
for
millennia,
their
culture
and
presence
have
nurtured
and
continue
to
nurture
this
land.
A
A
I'd
like
to
note
that
this
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
heritage
conservation
district
plan
for
center
town
and
mental
park
heritage
conservation
districts
listed
as
item
one
on
today's
agenda
under
the
ontario
heritage
act.
Only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
this
matter
to
the
ontario
land
tribunal.
A
Anyone
wishing
to
submit
written
comments
on
these
amendments
may
forward
them
to
committee
coordinator
by
email
or
by
mail.
I
have
received
regrets
from
counselor
moffat
and
member
conforti.
Could
the
committee
coordinator,
please
call
the
role
a
reminder
to
members
to
unmute
themselves
when
they're
called.
C
E
B
Councillor
moffitt
vice
chair
quinn,
present
chair
king.
You
have
quorum.
A
Carried
carrie.
Thank
you.
Given
the
number
of
items
on
the
agenda
today,
I'm
going
to
proceed
which
isn't
my
usual
practice
but
I'll
proceed
with
a
consent.
Agenda
and
honor
consent
agenda
is
starts
off
with
item
one
heritage,
conservation,
district
plan
for
center
town
and
minto
park
heritage
conservation
districts.
A
This
item
will
be
held
for
presentation
and
delegations
item
2,
with
the
subject
of
addition
additions
to
the
heritage
register.
This
item
is
going
to
be
held
for
presentation
and
delegations
item
3,
designation
of
501
coal
avenue
under
part
4
of
the
ontario
heritage
act.
This
item
is
held
for
presentation
and
delegations
item
4,
update
to
on
somerset
house
at
352,
somerset
street
west.
This
item
is
also
held
for
presentation
item
5
application
for
demolition
and
new
construction
at
182
murray
street.
A
Item
six
application
to
alter
70
nicholas
street.
My
understanding
is
that
a
counselor
fleury
might
have
had
a
motion
on
this
item.
A
B
I
might
take
a
moment
for
him
to
to
join
as
a
panel
as
chair.
G
I've
hit
all
the
right
buttons
now.
Okay,
the
I
feel
a
presentation
is
unnecessary.
The
heritage
committee's
report.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
for
that
comment.
So
is
this
item
carried.
H
A
I
Thank
you,
whereas
heritage
staff
have
recommended
that
council
issue
a
notice
of
intention
to
designate
the
heart
massey
house
at
400,
lansdowne
road
under
part,
4
of
the
ontario
heritage
act
and
whereas
the
view
of
the
property
from
the
eastern
shore
of
makai
lake
is
an
important
heritage
attribute
and
whereas
the
view
of
the
property
from
the
eastern
shore
of
makai
lake
was
omitted
from
the
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value
as
an
attribute,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that,
with
respect
to
acs
2022
p,
I
e
r
h,
u
0
0
1
4
document
5
be
replaced
with
a
revised
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value.
I
A
A
The
next
item
is
item
9
status,
update
built
heritage,
subcommittee,
inquiries
and
motions.
Is
this
item
received
received
thank
you
and
we
will
also
be
receiving
a
presentation
in
relation
to
359
kent
street
and
436
and
444
mclaren
street
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
under
other
business,
we'll
now
return
to
item
1
on
the
agenda
in
planning
real
estate
and
economic
development,
heritage
conservation,
district
plan
for
center
town
and
minto
park,
heritage
conservation
districts
can
staff.
Please
provide
an
overview
of
this
report.
J
Good
morning,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
Can
everyone
hear
me?
Okay,
yes,
okay,
excellent
good
morning,
so
we
are
excited
to
be
bringing
forward.
This
report
recommending
adoption
of
the
proposed
heritage
conservation
district
plan
for
centertown
and
minto
park,
hcds
I'll
just
eric.
Are
you
able
to
bring
up
the
staff
presentation
for
me.
J
Perfect
great
yes,
so
this
is
the
result
of
several
phases
of
the
centertown
heritage
study
that
has
been
ongoing
for
the
past
couple
of
years.
J
J
I'd
like
to
also
introduce
our
consultant
on
the
plan:
sally
cootes
of
sally
coote's
heritage,
consulting
she's
on
the
call
with
us
today
too
and
happy
to
answer
questions
at
the
end
as
well.
J
So
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
just
a
bit
of
background
quickly,
so
the
centertown
heritage
study
was
initiated
in
2018
when
the
city
hired
a
consultant
era.
Architects
to
undertake
an
inventory
of
the
whole
centertown
neighborhood,
doing
a
property
by
property
review
of
the
existing
centertown
and
minto
park
hcds.
J
J
J
J
So
this
is
part
of
the
city's
bigger
project
to
update
all
of
our
pre-2005
hcd
hdds
to
meet
those
new
or
2005
oha
requirements.
J
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
approaches
and
goals
of
the
project.
So
this
report,
as
as
the
chair
mentioned,
recommends
adoption
of
the
proposed
central
town
of
minto
park
plan
for
these
hcds
that
meet
the
required
components
of
the
heritage
act
and
I'll
go
through
them
really
quickly.
Just
briefly,
this
plan
also
satisfies
the
direction
from
the
centre
town
secondary
plan
to
update
the
original
guidelines
for
central
town,
including
that
inventory
that
I
mentioned,
and
also
with
the
goal
of
accommodating
for
growth
and
intensification
in
the
area.
J
So
the
center
town,
hcd
plan
and
and
fermento
minto
park
has
attempted
to
bring
the
planning
and
heritage
frameworks
into
alignment
with
each
other,
and
I
you
know
in
this
way
I
would
say
I
think
this
plan
is
a
bit
different
from
our
other
hcd
plans,
in
that
it
does
speak
to
how
to
accommodate
for
growth
and
and
intensification,
while
also
conserving
the
values
of
both
areas
and
and
it
does
that,
by
providing
technical
and
detailed
guidance
for
conservation,
together
with
clear
guidance
and
expectations
that
perhaps
we've
been
missing
on
some
of
the
projects
we've
been
seeing
lately
in
centre
town
and
that's
really
just
to
ensure
the
cultural
heritage,
value
and
attributes
are
conserved
in
future
developments.
J
J
These
are
the
statement
of
objectives.
Every
plan
provides
a
statement
of
objectives,
they're,
really
the
overarching
goals
to
be
achieved
through
the
designation
of
districts.
The
plan
outlines
13.
I've
summarized
a
few
of
them
here,
but
in
general
they
speak
to
the
conservation
of
historic
buildings
and
fabric
and
other
elements
that
tell
the
history
of
the
hcds
to
ensure
that
changes
like
new
construction
in
particular,
can
be
completed,
sensitively
and
compatibly,
but
also
to
celebrate
and
encourage
awareness
of
the
different
histories
and
and
stories
in
center
town
as
a
community.
J
On
the
next
slide,
we've
got
the
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value
of
the
districts.
This
is
what
outlines
the
important
the
important
values
of
center
town
and
minto
park.
Central
town's
original
had
a
statement
of
character
that
was
completed
as
part
of
the
original
study.
J
For
example,
in
addition
to
being
the
home
of
many
prominent
canadians
associated
with
parliament
hill,
the
statement
now
speaks
to
the
mix
of
communities
that
have
chosen
center
town
as
their
home
over
time
and
also
its
association
with
early
community
activism,
particularly
in
minto
park.
That
has
been
a
rallying
point
and
space
for
holding
vigils
and
protests.
J
The
statements
also
highlight
some
of
the
history
of
the
area
from
the
later
part
of
the
20th
century.
That
has
become
part
of
the
story
of
centurytown
and
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
the
list
of
attributes.
So
the
plan
must
also
include
a
list
of
the
really
the
physical
elements
that
express
the
values
outlined
in
the
statement.
J
J
So
I
have
included
a
few
of
those
attributes
here,
but
just
from
this
list,
I
think
you
can
see
the
areas
are
quite
complex
with
a
mix
of
building
types
and
spaces
and
places
that
each
really
require
different
guidance
and
direction
to
manage
for
how
manage
how
they're
conserved.
So
in
order
to
appropriately
address
those
differences.
J
The
plan
you
know
if
you
you'll
notice,
it's
a
bit
longer,
it's
certainly
more
complex
than
the
existing
guidelines,
and
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
just
about
the
structure
we've,
I
think
we've
tried
to
simplify
it
by
breaking
it
up,
first
by
major
sections
relating
to
the
most
common
types
of
applications
and
alterations
that
we
typically
see
with
both
policies
and
guidelines
for
assessing
how
changes
should
be
undertaken
and
like
some
of
our
other
recent
plans,
the
plan
does
distinguish
between
policy
policies
and
guidelines
where
the
policy
would
be
the
required
component
and
the
guidelines
would
provide
that
technical,
technical
guidance
and
a
bit
more
flexibility.
J
That
recognizes
that
you
know
you
could
achieve
the
policy
in
different
ways
and
then,
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
the
plan
is
further
subdivided
to
provide
more
specific
guidance
by
both
building
typology.
So
we've
got
specific
sections
for
single
detached
house
form
buildings,
low-rise
residential
forums,
but
also
for
historic
apartment
buildings
and
and
also
main
street
commercial
buildings
on
bank
and
elgin.
J
And
then,
if
we
go
one
more
slide,
it's
also
divided
by
its
category.
So
since
all
the
properties
within
the
boundaries
are
considered
designated
just
like
in
our
other
htds
properties
are
distinguished
by
those
that
have
elements
that
express
the
reasons
the
hcds
are
designated
versus
ones
that
do
not
so
and
the
way
that
we
do,
that
is
by
categorizing
properties
as
contributing
or
those
that
express
the
reasons
for
designation
or
non-contributing
being
those
that
don't
and
then,
of
course,
providing
direction
that
correspond
and
relate
to
those
categories.
J
So
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide
in
general,
the
kind
of
the
contributing
properties,
those
are
the
ones
that
we
would
want
to
see
retained,
we
don't
want
to
see
those
demolished.
We
want
to
see
them
conserved
and
restored,
and
we'd
want
to
ensure
that
any
alterations
that
are
compatible
and
sympathetic
to
the
existing
building,
but
also
within
the
hcd
as
a
whole,
and
then,
conversely,
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide
for
non-contributing
properties,
those
still
need
to
follow
the
heritage
permit
process.
J
So
the
document
does
speak
to
both
the
center
town
and
and
minto
park
hcd's
and
provides
general
direction
for
both,
but
it
was
integral
to
recognize
that
mental
park
is
its
own
hcd.
So
the
plan
has
specific
policies
and
guidelines
to
recognize
that
special
character
and
ensure
the
important
relationship
between
the
buildings
and
the
buildings
that
face
the
park
and
the
park
itself
are
protected
and
conserved
on
the
next
slide.
J
We
we
did
also
include
a
special
area
around
the
museum
of
nature,
so
there's
a
special
section
in
the
plan
that
provides
guidance
for
development
that
surrounds
the
museum
and
really
that's
to
ensure
that
you
know.
If
there's
new
development,
the
museum
remains
the
focal
point.
It
encourages
high
quality
and
contempo
complementary
design.
J
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide
for
new
construction,
so
in
order
to
satisfy
the
direction
in
the
secondary
plan
and
ensure
the
plan,
the
hcd
plan
accommodates
for
growth
and
intensification.
You'll
notice
that
the
proposed
hdd
plan
not
only
includes
directions
for
new
houses
and
apartments,
but
also
sections
for
mid
and
high
rise
buildings,
and
that
really
the
intention
there
is
to
provide
the
heritage
context
to
the
existing
secondary
plan
and
community
design
plan
plan
to
that
framework
for
this
area.
J
So,
as
you
know,
those
documents
contemplate
taller
buildings
than
the
existing
historic
fabric,
so
it
was
important
to
provide
direction
for
how
those
types
of
buildings
could
coexist
in
the
hcd.
So
there's
those
sections
include
guidance
on
transition,
consideration
of
surrounding
contributing
properties,
using
design
measures
like
step
backs
and
step
backs
and
appropriate
materials
in
order
to
be
compatible
and
sensitive
and
with
a
particular
focus
on
the
lower
levels.
J
We
also
the
plan
also
emphasizes
the
that,
instead
of
demolishing
existing
buildings,
they
should
be
incorporated
into
bigger
projects.
So
there's
a
section
to
provide
guidance
for
how
to
integrate
contributing
properties
into
the
development,
and
I've
got
an
example
here
of
the
recent
application
that
I
think
the
committee
will
probably
be
familiar
with,
and
then
the
hcd
plan
also
provides
some
guidance
on
how
to
approach
a
proposal
for
a
landmark
building
within
the
historic
context.
So
that
brings
me
to
the
second
recommendation
of
the
report.
J
However,
staff
are
looking
looking
for
direction
to
take
a
closer
look
at
those
secondary
plan
policies.
Should
this
plan
be
approved
to
ensure
that
the
intent
and
objectives
of
the
hcd
plan
can
continue
to
be
supported
and
and
that
the
clarifications
that
I
think
we've
we've
made
in
the
hcd
plan
are
being
appropriately
reflected
back
in
the
planning
documents.
J
So
if,
as
a
result
of
that
review,
there
are
amendments
to
that
secondary
plan
policy
that
are
necessary,
that
will
be
through
an
official
plan
amendment
process
and
with
full
the
full
consultation
that
comes
with
that.
J
J
There
are
no
part
fours
in
in
the
mental
park
h
city
at
this
time,
but
so
just
it's
center
town,
but
as
this
committee
may
be
aware,
prior
to
those
changes
I
mentioned
in
2005
to
the
heritage
act,
properties
could
not
be
designated
both
individually
and
as
part
of
a
district
that
has
since
changed.
So
staff
are
recommending
that
the
original
designation
bylaw
for
the
district
now
be
registered
on
title
for
these
properties.
Just
for
for
clarification
purposes,.
J
And
finally,
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
the
last
recommendation
relates
to
kind
of
the
next
steps
in
the
center
town
heritage
study
to
further
investigate
the
potential
for
district
designation
in
the
dundall
park
area
and
also
the
golden
triangle
area
in
central
town,
so
dundall
park
that
was
recommended
through
the
inventory
work
by
our
consultant
and
the
centertown
community
association
also
is
interested
in
further
investigation
and
review
of
the
golden
triangle
and
staff
agree
that
these
areas
merit
some
further
study.
J
So
just
looking
for
council
direction
and
committee's
direction
to
add
these
studies
to
the
heritage,
planning,
branch's
work
plan
and
just
quickly
I'll
go
to
the
next
slide
on
consultation.
Although
the
heritage
act
only
requires
one
statutory
public
meeting,
this
project
has
really
benefited
from
a
number
of
consultation
components,
both
in
person
and
virtual
through
the
pandemic.
A
Thank
you
mckenzie
for
the
very
in-depth
reporting
for
the
tremendous
amount
of
work
that
has
been
undertaken
for
this
conservation
district
plan,
along
with
the
rest
of
the
team.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
that.
We
did
receive
correspondence
on
this
item
from
from
a
resident
dated
june
17th
with
comments,
as
well
as
from
the
heritage
ottawa.
Also
dated
june
17th,
which
was
circulated.
A
We
do
have
a
number
of
registered
speakers
and
the
first
registered
speaker
on
the
list
is
jack
hannah
from
centertown
community
association,
so
jack.
You
have
five
minutes.
K
K
K
The
community
association
and
city
staff
from
the
earliest
days
before
anyone
on
either
side
had
solidified
their
thinking.
Second,
the
meetings
we
had
consisted
of
great
conversations
ideas
were
floated.
City
staff
spoke
this
openly,
sometimes
working
towards
agreement
sometimes
disagreeing,
but
always
it
was
quality
conversation
internally
within
the
community
association.
A
lot
of
people
put
a
lot
of
work
into
this,
and
I
know
city
staff
appreciated
our
commitment.
K
They
viewed
the
community,
the
community
association
as
a
source
of
perhaps
useful
ideas,
and
when
we
made
sense
they
heard
us
all
of
this
is
reflected
in
the
document
before
you.
We
support
this
plan.
The
centertown
community
association
wants
intensification.
We
know
cities
must
achieve
far
higher
density.
We
want
density
both
in
centertown
and
across
the
entire
city.
K
Houses
we
can
have
intensification
and
the
preservation
of
heritage
character.
This
plan
is
a
good
tool
to
achieve
just
that,
and
finally,
we
note
that
part
of
the
motion
before
you
instruct
staff
to
explore
the
potential
for
two
new
heritage
districts
in
centre
town
the
center
town
community
association-
is
delighted.
That's
great
news.
Come
next
winter,
we
look.
A
Thank
you
so
much
jack
for
your
presentation
and
I
share
your
your
your
comments
in
terms
of
the
tremendous
work
that
staff
undertook
on
this
on
this
plan.
I'm
very
pleased
that
they
were
working
very
well
with
the
community
association.
That's
what
we
want
to
hear.
You
know
city
staff
working
in
conjunction
with
residents
to
really
formulate
the
best
policies
and
guidelines
possible.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
for
your
delegation.
I
don't
see
any
questions
for
you,
so
thank
you.
Our
next
registered
speaker
is
erwin.
Dressen.
K
K
You
very
much
that
makes
it
easier.
I
wish
to
express
my
strong
support
for
this
plan
having
moved
into
a
center
town
exactly
two
years
ago,
I
just
missed
the
most
most
of
the
public
consultation
related
to
this
development.
I
caught
just
the
tail
end
of
it.
I
want
to
acknowledge
the
willingness
of
mackenzie
kim
to
hear
and
even
accommodate
my
late
stage
comments.
It
is
much
appreciated.
K
Unfortunately,
there
is
one
inappropriate
instance
of
adjacent
that
remains,
which
I'm
sure
is
an
oversight.
It's
in
the
section
on
landmark
policies
policy's
number
of
policy
number
four,
where
I
suggest
that
the
work
immediately
adjacent
be
replaced
with
adjacent
or
surrounding
now.
One
regret
I
have
with
this
plan
is
the
limited
projection.
K
Protections
to
seven
of
them
and
five
of
those
are
listed
on
page
13
of
the
plan,
along
with
two
others:
closeted
houses
surrounding
winter
park.
Unfortunately,
unlike
the
houses
north
of
them
facing
the
museum
of
nature,
these
streetscapes
are
not
offered
specific
protection
and
that's
a
pity,
because
in
every
instance
that
is
on
this
list,
there
are
one
or
more
gaps
of
non-contributing
buildings,
and
a
specific
policy
would
have
offered
more
certainty
as
to
what
can
or
cannot
happen
when
someone
has
ideas
about
those
gaps.
K
K
It
is
the
the
this
corp
is
mentioned
on
page
10,
as
an
example
of
incorporation
of
several
historic
buildings
and
indeed
on
the
map.
263,
somerset
and
231
o'connor
are
shown
as
contributing.
However,
in
appendix
b
the
list
list
there
shows
only
231
or
conor
is
contributing
and
263
summerset
is
listed
as
non-contributing,
and
the
299
somerset
address
is
nowhere
to
be
seen.
So
there
is
some
correction
that
needs
to
be
made
there.
I
suggest
so.
This
leads
me
to
the
other
regret
I
have
about
this
plan.
K
I,
like
the
error
report
that
preceded
it.
It
shows
a
strong
bias
towards
finding
heritage
value,
especially
in
building
its
data
from
before
world
war
one.
I
fear
that
survivors
that
many
people
in
the
heritage
community
share,
but
I
do
not
to
me
heritage-
is
living
here
and
many
buildings
of
more
recent
vintage,
such
as
that
were
important,
should
have
been
recognized
as
contributing.
K
K
Last
point
I'm
going
to
make
is
that
I'm
giving
you
a
heads
up
that
I'm
preparing
an
application
for
part
4
protection
of
330
gilmore
street,
the
former
ottawa
board
of
education
building
complex.
So
when
I
moved
to
centertown
the
community
association
and
my
neighbors
said:
oh,
this
is
heritage
protected
it.
It
turned
out
that
it
isn't,
and
so
hopefully,
not
before
too
long.
You
will
have
that
application
before
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you,
mr
greeson,
for
that
very
in-depth
analysis
of
the
plan.
We
we
are
really
thankful
that
we
have
many
community
associations
and
residents
providing
a
tremendous
amount
of
input
to
heritage
staff
about
about
these
plans
and
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you've
that
you've
provided
and
the
and
the
correspondence
that
you
provided
to
this
committee.
I
don't
see
any
hands
raised
for
questions
for
you,
so
thank
you
so
much
for
your
for
your
delegation
this
morning
and
our
next
registered
speaker
is
hunter
miguel.
K
Thank
you,
chair
and
good
morning.
I
hope
you
don't
mind,
but
I
would
like
to
join
the
chorus
of
praise
for
city
staff
for
their
thorough
patience
and
careful
work
throughout
the
last
four
years.
K
K
I
think
the
the
call
of
duty-
and
I
I
think
that
needs
to
be
recognized-
they're
very
patient
people
good
listeners
too,
and
I
just
think
that
this
process
represents
you
know
a
very
appropriate
way
of
of
proceeding
with
regard
to
the
examination
of
built
heritage
issues
and
how
they
can
be
protected
and
preserved.
K
I
have
two
points.
Sorry,
just
before
I
do.
I
I
would
like
to
echo
irwin's
jason's
point
about
the
importance
of
protecting
in
streetscapes
protection.
We
tend
to
look
at
individual
built
structures,
but
streetscapes
in
in
center
town,
in
particular,
are
a
vital
aspect
of
heritage
protection.
K
In
that
now,
the
application
of
the
of
the
plan
and
in
its
various
dimensions
will
come
before
you
in
the
process,
and
I
think
you
have
an
information
item
at
the
end
of
your
meeting
that
you
already
referred
to
for
a
proposed,
develop
a
contemplated
development
on
kent
street
and
that
will
raise
a
number
of
very
critical
questions
about
landmark
buildings,
which
you
are
also
invited
to
endorse
policy
work
on,
and
I
urge
you
to
go
ahead
with
that
work.
K
But
to
proceed
carefully
and
very
deliberately
with
regard
to
that
work
because
of
the
impli.
The
the
consequences
of
of
a
landmark
building
policy
will
will
have
very
considerable
ramifications
right
across
the
city,
but
particularly
in
center
town
and
finally,
sir.
I
just
want
to
say
how
encouraging
it
is
that
staff
are
proposing
for
your
consideration.
K
Park
and
the
golden
triangle
area,
those
those
areas
of
the
city
contain
important
built
heritage,
resources
that
need
protection
now
and
that
a
good
policy
framework
drawing
on
the
work
that's
been
done
for
center
talent
will
be
an
essential
tool
for
staff.
For
you
to
to
proceed
again.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
good
morning.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
mcgill,
for
your
very
informed
comments
as
well
as
for
your
thanks
to
staff,
hardworking
heritage
staff
who
have
really,
you
know,
done
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
on
on
this
report.
I
don't
see
hands
raised
for
questions
for
you,
so
thank
you
for
your
deputation
this
morning
and
the
next
registered
speaker
on
the
list
is
david
fleming
from
heritage
ottawa.
F
F
Hopefully,
it
will
provide
enhanced
protection
of
heritage
properties
in
light
of
the
all
too
common
development
proposals
that
seek
the
construction
of
buildings
that
exceed
the
maximum
density
and
height
permitted
under
the
approved
guidelines,
it
is
hoped
that
the
city
will
apply
the
same
diligence
in
enforcing
the
application
of
elements
and
attributes
of
the
plan
for
the
enhancement
of
the
heritage
preservation
in
centre
town
in
minto
park.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
for
your
comments
and
your
correspondence.
It's
much
appreciated
and
once
again
for
congratulating
staff
on
work.
I
think
that
was
well
done.
Our
last
registered
speaker
for
this
item
is
james
ho.
A
Good
morning
you're
we
can
hear
you
and
you
have
five
minutes.
B
Speaking
on
behalf,
I'm
a
swap
there's
landlord
at
242
bank
between
lister
and
cooper
on
the
west
side.
Basically,
I'm
not
opposed
to
heritage
really,
but
it's
basically
personally.
B
Creates
a
financial
problem
for
me,
like
basically
in
doing
like
either
renovating
or
doing
work
on
the
property,
and
I
got
a
problem
now
with
an
overhang
on
the
property.
B
As
it
stands
now,
almost
50
percent
of
my
revenue
goes
to.
B
Well,
my
main
concern
now
is
basically
basically
financially
up
keeping
the
upgrade
of
the
property,
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
kind
of
rebates
or
financial,
what
are
called
the
things
they're
going
to
apply
for
in
keeping
the
property
heritage,
and
the
thing
is
I'm
looking
at
the
building.
I
don't
see
any
heritage
value
in
the
property
itself.
B
Whoever
did
the
research
on
deeming
it
being
heritage.
It's
a
one-story,
brick
building,
that's
been
painted.
It's
been
like
that
for
the
last
50
years,
I've
owned
it
for
50
years
and
basically
it's
going
to
be
a
financial
burden
to
me
to
actually
keep
it
as
a
you
know
like
if
it's
heritage
or
I
could
keep
a
certain
shape
of
it
for
renovations
or
whatever,
like
I
say,
I'm
I'm
just
a
small
property
owner.
B
I've
had
this,
probably
not
finally,
for
over
50
years
and
with
the
covert
19
for
the
last
two
years
and
everything
else,
I'm
basically
losing
a
lot
of
money
based
on
inflation,
I'm
basically
getting
less
money
now
than
I
am
10
years
ago,
like
in
my
pocket
and
basically
trying
to
keep
basically
good
tenants.
It's
been
a
drain
in
my
pocketbook,
really,
that's
all
I
have
to
say,
and
I
can
have
my
my
brother
here.
He
likes
to
say
a
couple
words
too
yeah.
B
I
just
wanted
to
comment
that
generally
heritage
is
good
for
keeping
the
look
and
the
historic
values
of
the
building.
However,
those
mentioned
before
that
to
avoid
the
housing
crisis
into
practical
reasons,
practical
reasons
like
you
look
at
countries
such
as
japan,
hong
kong
and
other
countries
that
do
not
have
these
restrictive
heritage
laws.
There
is
no
housing
crisis.
B
So,
in
the
event
that
you
know
that
there
is
some
certain
development
really,
these
rules
place
impedement
and
increase
ultimately
on
the
tenants
and
commercial
property
tenants
such
as
retailers
and
such
and
once
again
practically
keeping
it
heritage,
and
you
know
like
the
onus,
is
on
the
landowner.
It
should
be.
If
you
want
to
keep
something
heritage,
you
should
be
governmentally
financed.
B
A
Well,
I
thank
you,
mr
ho,
for
your
submission
as
well
as
I
believe
joseph
joined
you.
So
we
thank
you
for
your
submission.
I
don't
see
any
hands
raised,
but
I
would
just
emphasize
to
you
that,
of
course,
in
heritage
conservation
districts
there
there
are
certain
responsibility
that
property
owners
have
and-
and
of
course,
it's
important
that
that
is
recognized,
and
this
has
been
a
a
district
for
a
long
period
of
time.
A
So
that's
important
to
to
recognize.
It's
also
important
to
recognize
that
there
are
some
tools
that
the
city
is
going
to
provide
to
property
owners.
We
have
introduced
a
new
heritage,
community
improvement
plan
that
allows
owners
who
are
redeveloping
their
properties
to
potentially
take
advantage
of
of
grant
incentives
or
a
tax
incentive
in
terms
of
the
redevelopment
of
their
property.
So
that
is
a
possibility.
The
other.
A
The
other
element
I
want
to
emphasize
is
that
you're
right
we
are
not
japan
or
other
types
of
jurisdictions
where
there
is
no
zoning,
you
know
imperatives
you
know
in
japan,
you
can
have
a
residential
building
next
to
an
industrial
building.
A
We
have
a
different
set
of
approaches,
obviously
in
ontario
towards
planning,
and
you
know
obviously
that
needs
to
be
recognized.
I
did
see
some
hands
raised.
I
don't
know
if
I
addressed
some
of
the
questions
that
had
been
raised
by
by
this
delegation.
I
see
that
hands
went
back
down,
so
I'm
assuming
there
are
no
questions
for
for
this
delegation,
but
otherwise
thank
you
so
much
for
your
your
delegation.
A
A
And
I
see
that
barry
raised
his
hand
first.
C
One
thing
is
that
I
really
do
compliment
the
staff
and
the
you
know
community,
for
collaborating
on
this
new
heritage
conservation
plan
for
centertown,
as
others
have,
and
of
all
the
heritage
districts
in
ottawa.
C
Centertown
has
been
the
the
area
where
the
challenges
of
the
official
plan
and
secondary
official
plan
and
zoning
have
come
directly
in
conflict
with
the
heritage
objectives,
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
there
are
recommendations,
particularly
recommendation
number
two
for
reviewing
of
the
secondary
op
directives
and
also
the
landmark
building
guidelines.
C
So
I
have
the
question
for
staff
for
mckenzie:
can
you
just
share
with
us
the
progress
that
has
been
made
in
talking
with
the
land
use
planning
staff
about
future
changes
to
the
secondary
op
and
things
like
the
landmark
guideline
area
so
that
the
transition
period
between
the
adoption
of
this
plan,
the
heritage
conservation
plan
and
the
changes
of
the
op
is
made
as
short
as
possible,
so
that
the
uncertainty
about
which
of
the
city's
policies
are
in
the
ascendancy
is
made
as
compact
as
possible.
C
J
Thank
you,
and,
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
it's
a
good
question
and
I
think,
certainly
through
this
process,
we
have
worked
very
very
closely
with
our
colleagues
internally
with
development
review
staff
with
with
colleagues
in
different
departments,
forestry,
right-of-way
urban
design.
So
they
have,
they
have
been
instrumental
in
putting
this
draft
together
and
and
working
with
our
consultant
as
well.
So
I
I
would
say
we're
in
we're
in
really
good
shape
the
this
recommendation.
J
The
second
recommendation
is
really
to
you
know
just
make
sure
that
what
we
have
recommended
in
the
draft
is
mirrored
and
reflected
back
in
those
landmark
policies,
and
it
is
specific
to
that
landmark
provision
in
the
secondary
plan
to
make
sure
that
we're
we've
captured
what
we're
looking
for
the
intent
in
the
in
intent
and
objectives
of
the
secondary
plan
in
the
in
from
the
hdd
play
hcd
plan
into
the
secondary
plan.
Thank
you.
L
Yes,
like
my
colleagues,
I'd
like
to
congratulate
city
staff
on
on
this
lovely
initiative,
and
my
question
actually
pertains
to
to
how
it
will
be
published.
So
currently,
the
city
has
a
mix
of
hcd
plans
available
on
its
website,
but
a
few
of
the
older
ones,
including
centertown,
are
available
only
by
request.
So
as
a
note
to
staff,
would
it
be
able
to
have
this
one,
and
perhaps
several
of
the
others
as
well
published
on
the
website,
so
that
residents
can
read
through
and
familiarize
themselves
more
easily.
J
Thank
you
through
your
chair.
Absolutely
this
once
once
this
goes
through.
If
it's
adopted
by
council,
it
will
go
through
the
appeal
period
if
it
once
it
comes
into
force
and
effect
absolutely
it
will
be
posted
online
in
french
and
english
and
and
made
accessible
for
the
public
to
review.
A
Thank
you
and
now
happy
to
toss
to
the
award
counselor
counselor
mckinney.
G
Thank
you
thanks,
chair
king,
I'm
just
gonna
provide.
I
don't
have
questions.
I
just
want
to
provide
some
some
comment.
Of
course
I
want
to
start
by
thanking
staff
for
your
work,
leslie
kim,
and
this
began
a
few
years
back
and
and
as
you
heard
from
members
of
the
community,
there
was
real,
meaningful
consultation
that
that
took
part.
That's
why
we're
we're
here
today,
with
with
a
plan
that
is,
is
well
supported
by
by
the
community,
so
you
know
thank
you
for
that.
For
that.
Thank
you
to
the
community.
G
G
You
know
a
new
hcd
that
that
is,
that
is,
that
is
well
supported
and
that
will
help
to
retain
the
the
unique
heritage
aspects
of
of
this
area
and-
and
we
are
uniquely
situated
the
you
know,
the
center
town
residential
neighborhood
has
played
historically
played
such
an
important
role
in
in
ottawa's
growth
as
as
the
nation's
capital.
G
You
know,
and
it's
it's
retained
over
time.
It's
it's
residential
context.
If
you
will
it,
you
know,
while
at
the
same
time
adding
you
know
other
mixes
that
make
it
you.
G
Walkable-
and
you
know
a
15-minute
neighborhood,
which
is
what
we
want.
You
know
we
we
want
this
in
all
of
our
neighborhoods
now
across
the
city
and-
and
we
really
have
have
have
guided
this
neighborhood
into
into
into
a
15-minute
neighborhood,
and
you
heard
today
that
residents
of
center
town
are
supportive
of
of
intensification,
and
these
these,
you
know
renewed
hcds,
the
centertown,
the
mental
park.
Hcds
will
provide
opportunity
to
to
add
new
residents
and
new
uses
to
center
town.
G
While
still
you
know
retaining
the
things
that
that
matter,
so
we
we
can
do
both
and
and
this
this
plan
will
will
allow
us
to
do
that,
and
it
was
also
suggested
that
you
know
heritage
things
that
make
center
town's
heritage.
Unique
is
recognizing,
you
know,
characteristics
that
are
not
just
about
physical
attributes
of
buildings,
but
also
include
includes
you
know:
tree-lined
streets.
You
know
beds
that
you
know
that
urban
canopy
that
we
need.
You
know
vibrant
main
streets.
G
G
So
again,
I
I
thank
you,
you
know,
heritage
conservation
is
about
you
know
a
sense
of
place
and
and
we're
very
proud
of
of
these
two
conservation
districts
we're
proud
of
our
neighborhood
we're
proud
of
centertown,
and
you
know
we
will
continue
to
guide
that
you
know
as
it
as
as
it
continues
to
grow
and
change,
which
is
what
we
want,
while
still
retaining
the
things
that
are
are
so
important
and
that
make
it
such
a
a
unique
neighborhood.
G
A
Thank
you,
councillor,
mckinney.
Do
any
other
members
have
any
comments
on
on
this
item?
A
Seeing
none.
I
just
also
want
to
mirror
what
the
ward
counselor
said
in
terms
of
the
balance,
I
think
that
what's
wonderful
about
these
plans
is
that
it
provides
balance
between
the
diversity
of
heritage
buildings
in
the
existing
districts,
as
well
as
balancing
the
objective
to
accommodate
more
population
growth
and
new
contemporary
buildings
and
ensuring
you
know
that
we
have
more
comprehensive
descriptions
and
guidelines
for
individual
buildings
and
streetscapes
architectural
guidelines
for
new
buildings
and
additions
to
existing
buildings
and
guidelines
and
policy
around
modifications
to
the
current
boundary.
A
So
I'm
really
pleased
with
the
tremendous
amount
of
work
that
has
been
undertaken
in
with
this
study,
and
I
really
do
once
again
for
the
umpteenth
time
want
to
really
congratulate
staff
on
work
well
done
and
on
their
hard
effort.
So
is
this
report
carried
okay?
A
Thank
you
very
much,
so
this
report
will
be
submitted
to
city
council
on
july
6.
2022..
A
The
next
item
is
additions
to
the
heritage
register
and
I
believe
that
we
have
a
technical
amendment
to
remove
some
properties
from
the
list
of
proposed
editions.
So
I
will
ask
the
vice
chair
to
introduce
that
motion.
I
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that,
with
respect
to
acs
2022
pie,
rhu-0019
the
build
heritage
subcommittee,
one
amend
the
reference
to
the
number
of
properties
from
55
to
52.
On
pages
three
and
five
of
the
staff
report
and
two
remove
the
properties
at
one
hundred
riverdale
avenue.
Eleven.
Fifty
two
saint-pierre
street
and
1898
shen
court
from
the
list
of
properties
to
be
listed
on
the
heritage
register
attached.
As
document
1
to
the
report.
A
M
M
Additions
to
the
heritage
register
recommends
listing
properties
across
ottawa
on
our
heritage
register.
I'd
like
to
provide
some
information
about
ottawa's
heritage
register,
share
what
it
means
for
owners
and
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
how
the
properties
in
the
report
were
identified.
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please.
M
The
heritage
register
is
the
city
of
ottawa's
official
list
of
properties
with
cultural
heritage,
value
or
interest.
It
provides
reliable
data
about
ottawa's
heritage
properties
and
it
promotes
a
knowledge
and
understanding
of
ottawa's
cultural
heritage.
It
tells
us
key
information
about
ottawa's
heritage
building
stock.
M
M
Please
so
what
does
it
contain?
The
heritage
register
includes
both
designated
properties.
It
also
includes
non-designated
properties,
so
the
presentation
I'm
giving
now
and
the
report
we're
considering
refer
to
non-designated
properties.
These
properties
are
also
known
as
listings
or
as
listed
properties,
so
these
properties
are
on
the
list,
but
they
are
not
designated.
M
Our
current
heritage
register
listings
are
shown
here
in
blue.
This
image
is
from
geo
ottawa,
so
it's
a
layer.
You
can
turn
on
under
planning
and
you
can
look
at
all
the
heritage
register
listings
as
these
blue
markers.
So
right
now
in
ottawa,
we
have
about
4
500
listings.
This
number
is
not
static.
It
changes
each
year
with
our
reports.
M
The
intent
is
for
our
heritage
register
to
evolve
over
time,
so
it
can
better
reflect
ottawa's
buildings,
histories
and
different
communities
here
next
slide.
Please.
M
So
the
notice
of
intent
to
demolish
so
this
is
the
only
requirement
under
the
heritage
act.
It's
a
requirement
for
owners
to
give
written
notice
a
written
notice,
pardon
me
of
their
intent
to
demolish
the
notice
period.
As
you
may
know,
it's
a
60-day
period,
so
the
city
of
ottawa
cannot
issue
a
demolition
permit
in
during
the
60
days.
M
So
what
this
does
is
it
gives
us
a
pause
before
the
building
is
lost
forever.
During
the
60
days,
staff
may
review
the
property
and
determine
if
the
if
a
designation,
individual
designation
is
recommended
during
this
time.
We
also
notified
the
ward
counselor
and
the
chair
of
the
billet
heritage
subcommittee,
chair
king
and
let
them
know
that
the
owner
intends
to
demolish
and
that
they
may
request
a
report
on
designation
from
staff
after
the
expiry
of
the
60
days.
M
If
the
demolition
permit
application
is
compliant
with
the
applicable
laws,
the
city
then
can
issue
a
demolition
permit.
There
are
no
other
ontario
heritage
act.
Requirements
next
slide,
please
so
more
about
this
report.
Specifically
so
in
this
report
we're
looking
at
a
group,
a
group
of
properties
that
we've
been
reviewing
the
last
couple
years-
heritage
planning
staff,
we
reviewed
dozens
and
dozens
of
properties
that
were
identified
from
our
last
report
in
2020,
so
the
last
two
years
approximately
the
properties
have
come
to
us
from
a
variety
of
sources.
M
M
We
had
a
team
of
our
heritage
planners
conducted
an
initial
review
of
the
properties
and
looked
they
looked
at
design
elements
of
design,
history
and
context
for
the
buildings
out
of
the
ones
that
were
reviewed
properties
that
staff
believe
to
contain
cultural
heritage.
Value
are
recommended
in
this
report.
M
The
properties
are
recommended
as
additions
to
the
heritage
register
for
their
cultural
heritage,
value
in
general,
there's
no
theme
or
specific
categories
for
the
buildings,
but
overall,
I
would
say
they
do
represent
a
mix
of
ottawa's
building
types
and
styles
from
the
19th
and
20th
centuries.
Most
of
the
buildings.
Almost
all
of
them,
are
wood
frame
houses
that
are
clad
in
brick
and
I've.
M
Just
put
a
few
up
here:
examples
that
are
that
reflect
the
flat
roof
construction
across
downtown,
so
you'll
see
here
a
lower
town
apartment,
a
semi-detached
house
in
vanier,
as
well
as
a
detached
home
in
new
edinburgh.
The
buildings
shown
on
this
slide
and
the
upcoming
slides
are
recommended
as
additions
to
the
heritage
register.
M
More
detail
about
each
property
is
included
in
the
property
information
sheet
that
we've
included
with
the
report.
It's
supporting
documents
three
and
four,
and
we
have
heard
from
owners
on
them
on
some
of
the
information,
the
reports
and
I'll
touch
on
that
in
a
future
slide.
We
can
go
to
the
next
one.
Please.
M
So
for
the
notices,
as
mentioned
in
the
motion,
we
did
mail
out
a
notice
on
june
1st,
stating
that
city
staff
recommend
their
property
for
listing
on
heritage
register.
M
Many
many
owners
reached
out
to
staff
over
the
past
several
weeks
and
others
in
the
past
couple
of
days.
Some
owners
shared
new
information
with
us
about
their
properties.
In
some
instances,
these
were
alterations
that
we
were
not
aware
of.
In
other
instances,
it
was
some
interior
features
that
we
were
not
aware
of
some
owners
in
each
case,
part
of
me.
In
each
case,
the
staff
had
the
opportunity
to
answer
questions
and
listen
to
the
concerns
and
challenges
that
are
facing
each
of
the
property
owners.
M
M
So,
in
terms
of
the
policy
framework
that
we're
working
with
for
the
heritage
register,
we
do
look
at
the
official
plan.
So
the
city's
official
current
official
plan
and
its
new
approved
official
plan
do
provide
that
the
city
of
ottawa
will
maintain
a
heritage
register
according
to
the
ontario
heritage
act.
M
Provincial
policy
also
states
that
long-term
economic
prosperity
will
be
supported
by
encouraging
a
sense
of
place
and
conserving
built
heritage
resources
in
the
heritage
act.
Section
27
of
the
act
allows
municipalities
to
list
non-designated
properties
of
cultural
heritage,
value
or
interest
on
a
municipal
heritage
register.
M
So
the
objection
is
new,
so
I'll
just
take
a
minute
to
go
over
what
what
this
is
and
what
it
means.
Following
a
decision
by
council
property
owners
will
be
mailed
a
second
notice,
so
this
second
notice
would
inform
them
that
either
the
property
was
or
was
not
listed
on
the
heritage
register.
Following
the
july
6
council
meeting,
the
notice
would
contain
detailed
information
on
how
to
object
to
the
heritage
register
listing
this
objection
process
is
new.
It
stems
from
changes
to
the
ontario
heritage
act
that
came
into
effect
last
year.
M
The
ontario
heritage
act
now
states
that
if
the
owner
objects
they
shall
provide,
they
shall
write
to
the
city
clerk
and
set
out
the
reasons
for
the
objection
and
all
relevant
facts.
The
clerk's
office
would
then
notify
our
team
heritage
planning
that
an
objection
was
received.
Then
our
team
heritage
planning.
M
M
So
this
is
the
last
slide,
and
this
is
to
close.
I
want
to
emphasize
that
the
heritage
register
continues
to
be
an
important
tool
that
our
team
uses
and
many
developers
real
estate
agents
professionals
across
the
city,
researchers,
students
are
using
to
learn
about
ottawa's
buildings
and
also
for
consulting
in
terms
of
conservation
of
heritage
properties
across
ottawa.
M
The
heritage
register
data
gives
us
key
information
about
heritage
buildings
here,
and
it
allows
us
to
closely
monitor
demolitions
heritage
planning
staff
have
recommended
listing
these
properties
on
the
heritage
register.
I
think
with
the
motion.
It
would
be
52
properties
for
their
cultural
heritage,
value
and
interest.
So
adding
these
properties
to
the
heritage
register
would
update
the
heritage
register
in
wards
across
ottawa
about
a
dozen
words
in
the
city.
It
also
increases
the
overall
quality
of
the
heritage
register
here
in
ottawa.
A
And
thank
you
avery
for
the
detailed
report.
We
did
receive
a
correspondence
from
a
number
of
residents
concerning
the
registry
and
as
well
as
david
fleming
from
from
heritage
ottawa.
We
do
have
two
registered
speakers.
The
first
speaker
is
mary
maxine,
hubert,
who
will,
I
believe,
be
utilizing,
slides
as
well.
N
N
N
I
know
that
the
house
has
some
cultural
elements
and
even
though
it
blends
a
little
bit
in
the
area,
I've
always
felt
as
it
was
special.
N
N
M
N
And
I
also
found
some
articles
specifically
about
these
heritage
homes
in
ottawa,
which
which
sounded
quite
scary
and
there's
a
report
saying
this
man
hired
expert
consultants
that
evaluated
the
loss
of
value
to
be
around
two
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
dollars
for
his
property,
another
one
being
relayed
by
a
friend
saying:
well,
you
know,
there's
this
case
downtown.
It's
very
famous.
This
owner
was
stuck
with
roons
for
about
six
years,
because
a
fire
damaged
his
property
and
there's
been
objections
for
the
demolition.
N
So
my
concern
is,
if
I
put
my
house
for
sale
in
the
future,
the
wording
heritage,
the
fact
that
it
can
easily
be
found
online.
Does
that
mean
that
potential
buyers
will
not,
even
you
know,
give
it
the
time
of
the
day?
Does
that
mean
that
the
real
estate
will
say?
Oh
no,
let's
take
this
one
off
the
list,
because
I
see
it's
on
the
heritage
registry
and
and
won't
even
provide
the
opportunity
to
clarify
the
distinction
between
the
designation
aspect
of
things.
So
I
really
want
to
highlight
that.
N
N
I
really
want
to
highlight
that
this
house
is
really
the
most
valuable
session
that
I
have
it.
Really
its
value
in
the
long
term
will
determine
whether
I
will
need
to
work
an
extra
three
years
before
retiring,
so
I
I
want
to
as
much
as
I
believe
this
edition
to
register
can
be
a
good
thing.
N
N
So
to
sum
it
all
up,
oh
can
I
change
it?
Oh
thank
you.
So
this
is
the
house,
so
I
want
to
mention
that
there
are
some
architectural
features
that
the
way
they
were
listed
are
a
bit
misleading
which
diminishes
the
monetary
value
of
the
house.
Of
course,
it
adds
character
and
whatnot,
and
given
the
fact
that
some
expert
consultants
evaluated
the
significant
loss
of
resale
value-
and
I
know
that
there's
been
some
deferrals
granted
by
the
committee-
I
would
hereby
ask
for
a
deferral
of
well,
please
at
least
90
days.
N
A
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
submission
and
I
I
am
the
chair
of
this
meeting,
so
I
see
that
councillor
gower
has
raised
his
hand.
Your
time
has
expired.
He
does
have
a
question
for
you.
Counselor
gower,.
B
Thank
you
chair,
so
this
committee,
previously,
when
we
have
had
property
owners,
who've
raised
concerns
about
having
their
properties
listed,
one
of
the
tests
or
one
of
the
things
we
ask
is
around.
If
you
have
had
a
chance
to
discuss
your
concerns
with
city
staff,
or
is
this
the
first
time
that
you're
making
staff
aware
of
your
concerns
here?
Committee.
N
I'm
not
sure
I
understand
the
question:
city
staff,
who's,
city
staff.
B
N
Yes,
actually,
the
next
two
slides
are
on
that.
So
if
you'd,
like
some
visual
aid,
I
can
point
to
the
presentation.
One
of
the
aspects
was
saying
that
the
house
was
a
1.5
story
house.
However,
when.
B
N
So
I
would
argue
that
the
house
actually
has
two
stories:
all
of
the
apple
upper
level
is
being
used
and
what
is
seen
on
the
house
is
actually
not
a
wood
clapboard,
it's
actually
just
regular
middle
siding.
If
I
can
get
to
the
next
slide.
N
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
my
perspective
is,
you
know
from
a
real
estate
side
of
things
in
terms
of
the
resale
value
of
the
story.
So
when
looking
into
the
1.5
story,
the
definition
is
a
1.5
story.
Home
has
a
second
floor.
That
is
about
half
the
size
of
the
main
floor
off
to
one
side.
N
They
do
not
have
a
second
floor
in
the
attic,
but
have
a
true
second
floor.
It's
not
as
large.
So
in
terms
of
this
space.
This
implies
that
the
house
has
a
lot
less
space
than
it
actually
has.
So,
if
I
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
so
don't
take
my
word,
for
it
just
have
a
look
at
the
pictures
that
are
featured
online
on
google
maps.
You'll
notice
that,
in
terms
of
the
exterior,
you
can
clearly
see
that
there
are
two
sets
of
windows.
N
N
I
just
really
wanna
highlight
that,
if
it's
possible
to
make
sure
that
the
description
is
accurate,
I
do
see
it
as
a
prestigious
thing
to
get
the
heritage
register
listing.
I
just
want
it
to
be
for
the
real
reasons
I
just
wanted
to
be
for
the
actual
characteristics
of
the
house
as
well,
and.
A
Thank
you.
If
you
allow
me
to
interject,
I
was
just
surprised
by
staff
that
that
marie's
property
is
in
the
motion
which
would
allow
for
that
extension
and
delay
for
there
to
be
more
back
and
forth
with
staff
to
to
ensure
that
the
the
property
owners
is
is
fully
consulted
with
heritage
staff.
So
just
wanted
you
to
to
note
that
we
just
got
that
confirmation
based
on
the
presentation.
A
Thank
you
and
I'd
like
to
also
note,
of
course,
that
listing
a
property
on
the
heritage
register
obviously
does
not
prevent
owners
from
making
repairs,
alterations
or
additions
to
their
properties.
A
As
we
had
heard
in
the
in
the
presentation,
owners
of
a
listed
property
would
have
to
provide
the
city
with
60
days
notice
that
they
wish
to
demolish
the
building,
and
during
that
time
the
city
could
assess
whether
the
property
merits
heritage
designation
under
part
four
of
the
ontario
heritage
act.
It's
also
important
to
note
that
being
listed
on
the
heritage
register
is
not
a
stepping
stone
to
designation
under
part
4
of
the
ontario
heritage
act
being
on
the
register
would
only
impact
an
owner
if
they
sought
to
demolish
the
property.
A
Many
property
owners
also
value
their
properties
being
added
to
the
register.
I
know
that
the
resident
who
is
talking
to
us
marie
who's
talking
to
us
today
was
talking
about
the
impacts
of
value,
but
often
those
are
very
specific
scenarios.
A
In
fact,
I
know
that
there
was
research
and
I
don't
know
how
recent
it
was,
but
I
know
that
there
was
research
out
of
the
university
of
waterloo
that
in
fact
really
demonstrates
that
there
appears
to
be
a
distinct
and
generally
robust
market
in
designated
heritage
properties
and
in
fact
they
generally
perform
well
in
the
market
with
many
at
a
certain
point,
when
the
study
was
done
with
approximately
three
quarters
doing
on
average
better
than
average.
A
So
we
just
want
to
ensure
that
that
people
know
that
you
know
this
registry
is
a
net
benefit
to
the
city
and
often
a
net
benefit
to
property
owners,
not
not
not
a
negative,
but
we
do
understand
the
need
for
proper
dialogue
and
back
and
forth
between
residents
and
sit
and
and
and
the
city
city
staff,
and-
and
we
appreciate
the
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
do
that
in
the
motion
that
was
presented
before
us.
A
So
I
just
want
to
reassure
you
that
we,
that
staff
will
come
back
to
you
and
we'll
we'll
continue
to
ask
questions.
So,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
delegation.
I
don't
see
other
hands,
so
thank
you.
So
much
for
appearing
before
us
this
morning
and
we
do
have
one
more
registered
speaker
and
that
is
david
fleming
from
heritage
ottawa.
F
F
F
When
the
heritage
register
was
established,
a
legal
representative
of
ottawa
developer
said
that
this
was
going
to
be
just
a
trip
wire
to
designation,
and
I
guess
I'd
like
to
staff
to
provide
an
update
of
the
number
of
demolition
applications
of
building
on
the
register,
how
many
applications
there's
been
and
in
how
many
instances
have
these
applications
been
approved.
A
Thank
you,
mr
fleming.
I
have
no
problem
with
relaying
that
question
to
staff,
if
they,
if
they
can
answer
it
offhand
or
alternatively,
if
they
can't
just
having
a
memo
to
subcommittee
so
that
we
could
relay
that
information.
M
So
since
2013
about
about
45
60
day
notices
have
come
in
and
out
out
of
those,
we
haven't
brought
any
reports
forward
to
recommend
designation.
Yet,
however,
we
have
had
instances
where
we
recommended
designation,
potentially.
A
Thank
you
for
that,
and
thank
you,
mr
fleming,
for
your
question.
I
think
it
led
to
a
very
insightful
answer.
Is
there
any
other
questions
for
for
mr
fleming
seeing
none?
I
I
just
really
want
to
emphasize
and
and
congratulate
us
staff.
A
You
know
for
their
work,
because
the
city
has
spent
several
years
replacing
the
outdated
heritage
property
list
from
the
pre-amalgamation
governments,
with
a
single,
up-to-date
heritage
register,
and
we've
heard
about
some
of
the
numbers
and
the
number
another
number
is
that
the
total
number
of
the
non-designated
listings
on
the
heritage
register
is
now
currently
over.
4
500
properties
really
pleased
with
the
amount
of
work
that's
been
done
on
the
on
the
registry.
I
know
my
colleagues
are
as
well
and
and
I'm
very
pleased
to
support
this
report.
A
So
this
report
will
be
submitted
to
the
next
city
council
meeting
on
on
on
july
6.
chair.
If
I
may.
Yes,
please.
A
Oh,
that's
right!
So
will
the
committee
carry
the
the
technical
amendments?
I
I
jumped
the
gun
there.
A
Period
and
of
course
we
carried
so
so,
thank
you
so
much
and
that
report,
as
I
had
noted,
will
be
submitted
to
council
on
july
6..
The
next
item
before
us
is
designation
of
501
coal
avenue
under
part
four
of
the
ontario
heritage
act,
and
I
understand
that
councilor
brockington
has
a
motion
on
behalf
of
councillor
leeper
to
to
be
introduced.
O
Thank
you
chair.
If
we
could
please
post
it,
I
I
think
I'll
introduce
it
and
then
or
just
read
it
and
then
counselor
leeper
will
introduce
it.
If
that's
okay,
chair.
O
So
chair
and
colleagues
on
behalf
of
councillor
leeper,
I'm
just
simply
reading
the
motion
to
the
record.
So,
whereas
a
notice
of
an
intention
to
demolish
under
the
ontario
heritage
act
has
been
submitted
for
the
house
at
501
coal
avenue
and
whereas
the
westboro
community
association
submitted
an
application
for
designation
under
part
4
of
the
ontario
heritage
act
in
december
2021
and
whereas
the
building
has
contextual
value
for
its
role
in
the
early
development
of
the
highland
park.
Neighborhood,
therefore
be
it
resolved
that,
with
respect
to
the
report,
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
replaced
recommendation.
O
One
of
the
staff
report
with
the
following
issue:
a
notice
of
intention
to
designate
501
coal
avenue
under
part
4
of
the
ontario
heritage
act.
According
to
the
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value
attached
as
document
4.,
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value
on
file
with
the
office
of
the
city
clerk
be
attached.
As
document
4
to
the
report
number.
A
P
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
sharon.
Thank
you
very
much
councillor
brockington
for
putting
this
forward.
I
hope
that
all
of
the
members
of
the
subcommittee
have
the
full
motion
in
front
of
them,
because
it
does
contain
that
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value,
which
is
the
the
foundation
of
the
motion
that
is
before
you
just
in
terms
of
how
we
got
here.
I
think
we
are
closing
in
on.
P
You
know
three
quarters
of
a
year,
or
so,
since
the
community
requested
that
this
property
be
protected
with
heritage
designation,
it
was
on
the
heritage
registry.
It
was
not
yet
a
development
play,
and
the
community
feels
very
strongly
that
this
structure
tells
an
important
part
of
the
story
of
highland
park,
particularly
sitting
as
it
does
in
a
cluster
of
similar
style
homes
and
next
to
the
stone
cottage.
P
This
is
a
very
rare
example
of
a
building
that
is
on
the
heritage
registry,
where
we've
received
a
notice
of
intent
to
demolish
and
have
pursued
it
all
the
way
through
putting
a
report
in
front
of
the
subcommittee
with
a
staff
weighing
in
on
whether
or
not
this
should
be
designated
with
with
heritage
protection
staff
have-
and
I
I
have
to
thank
them-
they've
done
a
great
job
of
taking
a
look
analyzing,
the
property
for
its
heritage
value,
and
they
have
said
yes,
it
does
have
contextual
value,
but
they
don't
feel
that
it
meets
a
bar.
P
The
regulations
say
that
when
a
property
has
contextual
value
it
may
be
considered
for
designation,
it
doesn't
say
it
has
to
be
we're
not
going
to
preserve
every
old
building
in
kitchissippi
ward
properties
regularly
come
up
for
demolition
that
I
and
staff
were
agreed
are,
are
not
going
to
hit
the
bar
in
order
to
receive
heritage,
protection,
designation
and
they
get
demolished.
P
Highland
park
is
going
to
change
considerably
over
the
course
of
the
next
couple
of
generations.
Kitchissippi
ward
is
adjacent.
To
I
don't
know,
I
want
to
say,
like
five
lrt
stations,
it's
going
to
intensify
city
council
has
made
that
intent
clear
for
neighborhoods
lake
highland
park
that
we
need
to
have
intensification
there.
P
We
have
to
start
preserving
some
of
the
homes
that
tell
the
story
of
the
old
neighborhood.
If
this
committee
chooses
not-
or
if
this
committee
chooses
to
designate
this
building
today,
it's
it's
not
an
anti-intensification
play.
If
the
developer
is
able
to
get
permission
to
demolish
this
beautiful
home,
two
singles
will
go
up
right.
We're
not
talking
about
a
significant
intensification,
but
a
couple
of
generations.
P
From
now
the
cluster
of
homes
is
around
this
corner
of
kenwood
and
coal
is
going
to
be
looked
to
as
a
bit
of
a
pause,
and
it's
going
to
be
looked
to
as
a
reminder
of
the
work.
The
coal
did
to
develop
this
area
and-
and
I
hope
that,
even
though
it's
a
relatively
ordinary
building
of
which
today
you
know,
there
are
several
examples
in
the
ward.
P
Despite
those
facts,
we
have
to
start
preserving
some
of
this
heritage
and
I'm
hoping
the
committee
will
start
that
work
today,
because
there
are
more
demolitions
in
highland
park
to
come.
So
please
do
read
the
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value
that
is
attached
to
the
motion
and
I'll
just
turn
it
back
over
to
the
chair
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
the
delegations
today.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
leeper,
for
the
explanation
around
the
the
motion
to
to
recommend
approval
of
designation
can
staff.
Please
provide
an
overview
of
of
the
report
that
was
submitted
to
to
subcommittee.
D
Certainly,
thank
you,
chair
and
good
morning.
Everyone
so
I'll
just
wait
for
the
size
to
come
up.
D
So
this
presentation
speaks
to
the
designation
of
501
coal
under
part
four
of
the
ontario
heritage
act.
So
as
noted,
this
property
is
listed
on
the
city
of
ottawa's
missile
heritage
register
under
the
authority
of
section
27
of
the
ontario
heritage
act,
and
this
report
stems
from
a
notice
of
intention
to
demolish
the
existing
building,
which
triggered
the
60-day
timeline
for
review
under
the
act
and
next
slide.
Please
so
just
to
provide
some
additional
context.
D
It's
about
two
blocks
south
of
the
main
commercial
corridor
on
richmond
road
in
westborough,
and
it's
roughly
equidistant
between
churchill
avenue
to
the
east
and
broadview
avenue
to
the
west.
It's
also
located
as
noted,
directly
adjacent
to
420
kenwood
avenue,
which
is
a
property
designated
under
part.
4
of
the
ontario
heritage
act
and
known
locally
as
kabul
cottage
and
the
photos
on
the
right
hand,
just
show
some
of
the
images
of
the
property's
media
context
and
next
slide.
Please
so
I'll
just
go
over
this
slide.
D
Briefly,
as
the
previous
presentation
and
some
of
the
discussions
beforehand,
I've
covered
a
lot
of
this
material,
but
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
breakdown
on
some
of
the
context
for
this
60-day
notice
process
for
properties
listed
on
the
heritage
register.
D
As
noted
listed
properties
have
a
reduced
level
of
protection
compared
to
designated
properties,
the
only
restriction
being
that
a
property
owner
is
required
to
give
the
city
60
days
notice
if
they
intend
to
demolish
and
as
noted
this
function
is
this.
The
function
of
this
notice
period
is
to
give
the
city
an
opportunity
to
review
the
property
in
detail
before
it
is
demolished
and
to
potentially
designate
it
under
part.
Four
of
the
ontario
heritage
act.
D
D
Following
the
receipt
of
a
completed
notice,
heritage
staff
circulate
the
ward
counselor
and
the
chair
of
bhsc,
and
at
that
time
the
war
counselor
does
have
the
opportunity
to
request
that
a
report
be
brought
to
bhsc,
which
considers
the
designation
of
the
property
following
receipt
of
a
completed
notice
for
51
coal
avenue.
The
war
counselor
for
this
property
did
request
that
a
report
be
made
and
which
is
why
the
current
item
is
in
front
of
you
today.
D
So
this
slide
just
gives
an
overview
of
a
timeline
of
events
related
to
this
file.
So
in
the
fall
of
2021
staff
received
a
request
to
designate
the
property
from
the
westbrook
community
association
staff,
assisted
in
completing
the
designation
request
form
to
ensure
that
it
contains
sufficient
information
to
be
deemed
complete
and
once
received,
the
request
was
added
to
the
city's
designation
request,
review
work
plan.
D
D
That
in
april
2022,
an
application
for
consent
to
sever
the
property
was
submitted
by
the
current
property
owner
to
the
committee
of
adjustment
heritage
staff,
worked
with
our
colleagues
in
the
committee
of
adjustment
and
requested
that
the
application
be
adjourned
until
the
60-day
notice
period
did
commence
officially
between
april
and
may
of
2022
staff
engaged
with
the
property
owner
to
inform
them
of
the
requirements
for
the
60-day
notice
staff
have
encouraged
the
property
owner
to
explore
alternatives
to
demolition
such
as
constructing
an
addition
to
the
existing
building
to
to
allow
it
for
its
use
to
be
expanded.
D
The
completed
notice
of
intention
to
demolish
was
received
on
may
9th
2022
initiating
the
official
60-day
review
period
on
may
18
2022
the
consent
to
sever
application
was
heard
again
at
the
committee
of
adjustment
and
approved
conditionally,
so
two
conditions
on
that
approval
relate
directly
to
this
item.
First,
the
60-day
period
required
by
the
ontario
heritage
act
must
be
expired
and
second,
the
building
must
be
demolished
and
the
applicant
must
provide
proof
of
its
demolition
prior
to
consent,
officially
being
granted
and
those
conditions
being
cleared.
D
And
finally,
on
july,
28th
2022,
the
60-day
notice
period
will
expire
and
a
demolition
permit
can't
be
officially
issued
in
next
slide.
Please
so
this
slide
shows
an
image
of
the
property.
It's
a
two
and
a
half
story,
vernacular
replica
red
brick
house
that
displays
elements
of
the
edwardian
classicist
style.
D
The
first
owners
of
this
property
were
the
pert
family
and
william
pert
was
a
federal
public
servant
and
later
a
bank
of
nova
scotia
employee
here
in
ottawa,
in
1931,
it
was
purchased
by
albert
e
morris,
who
is
a
municipal
clerk
and
treasurer
in
nepean
and
later
ottawa,
following
the
annexation
of
parts
of
japan
and
from
1943
to
1964.
The
property
was
owned
by
the
highland
park
baptist
church,
which
is
a
congregation
formerly
located
around
the
corner
on
kenwood
avenue
and
next
slide
please.
D
So.
This
report
contains
heritage,
staff's
assessment
of
501
coal
regulation,
0906
of
the
ontario
heritage
act,
which
is
set
out
on
the
screen
in
front
of
you,
sets
out
the
criteria
against
which
individual
designation
is
assessed
so
properties
that
meet
one
of
the
three
criteria
may
be
designated
under
the
ontario
heritage
act.
So
I'll
now
provide
a
summarized
version
of
the
assessment,
but
the
full
assessment
is
contained
as
an
attachment
to
the
subject
report.
So
next
slide.
Please.
D
D
It's
not
among
the
first
generation
of
houses
constructed
in
the
area
as
subdivision
and
construction
began
right
around
the
turn
of
the
century,
around
1898-1900
and
as
a
vernacular
building,
the
house
isn't
representative
of
any
one
style
and
doesn't
display
a
high
degree
of
craftsmanship
or
artistic
merit,
as
such
staff
are
of
the
opinion
that
the
house
does
not
meet
the
criteria
for
design
and
physical
value
under
regulation
906..
D
D
In
addition,
an
architect
for
this
house
hasn't
been
identified
and,
as
such
staff
have
determined
that
the
property
doesn't
meet
the
criteria
for
historical
or
associative
value.
Excuse
me
on
the
ontario
heritage
act
and
the
final
criteria
is
contextual
value.
So,
through
our
assessment,
we've
identified
that
this
property
meets
two
of
the
three
contextual
criteria
in
regulation
out
of
six,
as
it
supports
the
character
of
the
historic
character
of
highland
park
and
is
visually
and
historically
linked
to
its
surroundings.
D
The
property
isn't
a
landmark
in
the
community,
and
the
contextual
value
of
the
property
lies
in
it
being
one
of
the
remaining
houses
built
and
designed
in
alignment
with
johnny
cole's
vision
for
an
affluent
cohesive
and
suburban
highland
park.
Neighborhood
its
large
lot
front,
lawn,
mature
trees
and
setback
directly
reflect
this
vision
of
the
ideal
suburb
and
the
development
of
highland
park
and
also
connect
it
to
other
houses
constructed
in
the
same
time
period.
D
D
So
next
slide,
please-
and
this
slide,
and
the
next
slide
just
further
identify
some
of
the
properties
that
we've
identified
within
the
city
of
ottawa
that
also
exhibits
similar
characteristics.
D
So
in
total,
we've
identified
21
properties
listed
on
the
heritage
register,
an
additional
number
of
properties
that
are
designated
under
the
ontario
heritage
act
that
do
exhibit
similar
characteristics.
So
this
slide
just
highlights
some
of
the
properties
that
are
listed
on
the
register,
including
one
on
cole
avenue
as
well,
and
next
slide.
Please
and
then.
In
addition,
this
is
an
additional
four
properties
that
exhibit
similar
characteristics
that
are
located
within
some
of
the
city's
heritage,
conservation
districts
and
next
slide.
Please
so
now
just
to
to
conclude.
D
So
as
the
house
at
51,
coal
avenue
demonstrates
limited
historic
or
architectural
value,
staff
are
of
the
opinion
that
the
property's
designation
under
part,
four
of
the
act,
wouldn't
contribute
meaningfully
to
the
city's
designation
program.
Nor
would
it
address
any
gaps
in
regards
to
associative
or
community
histories
not
yet
represented
through
heritage
designation.
D
While
it
does
meet
the
contextual
criteria
for
designation
under
ontario
regulation,
906
staff.
Don't
believe
that
this
is
a
strong
candidate
for
designation
under
part.
Four.
Our
the
designation
process
is
value
values
based
rather
than
being
based
on
any
numerical
scoring
systems
and
it's
the
general
practice
of
the
city
of
ottawa
to
designate
properties
under
part
four
of
the
act
when
they
do
meet
more
than
one
of
the
criteria
for
designation
further.
D
Given
the
existing
cluster
of
similarly
aged
houses
near
the
intersection
of
coal
and
chemwood,
including
the
aforementioned
420
kenwood,
which
is
designated
under
part,
four
of
the
ontario
heritage
act
the
historic
context
of
how
the
park
will
be
maintained.
Despite
this
potential
loss
of
51
coal.
D
Other
values
embodied
by
this
house,
such
as
it
being
representative
of
upper
middle
class,
suburban
development
in
the
late
19th
and
early
20th
century,
are
are
represented
in
other
buildings
that
are
either
either
designated
or
listed
on
the
city's
register,
including
as
noted
a
further
21
listed
houses
which
display
similar
physical
characteristics
and
next
slide.
Please.
D
At
this
time,
the
primary
way
that
heritage
staff
interact
with
properties
in
this
area
is
through
responses
to
60-day
demolition
notices
in
the
ward,
such
as
the
case
of
the
file
before
you
today,
however,
it
is
staff's
intention
to
undertake
a
proactive
and
more
comprehensive
review
of
registered
properties
in
the
area
going
forward
and
to
prioritize
our
designation
program
and
our
work
within
that
accordingly
and
next
slide,
please
so.
Finally,
staff
have
two
recommendations.
As
part
of
this
report.
D
The
first
we
recommend
that
bill
harris
subcommittee
recommends
that
council
not
proceed
with
the
issuance
of
a
notice
of
intention
to
designate
501
coal
avenue
under
part
four
and
second,
that
heritage
staff
are
directed
to
undertake
further
analysis
of
properties
in
ward
15,
listed
on
the
city's
heritage
register
to
establish
that
proactive
approach
for
designation
under
part
four
of
the
act
and
next
slide.
Please.
D
So
thank
you.
That
concludes
my
presentation.
A
L
Hi
everyone
thank
you
for
letting
us
speak
today.
I'm
heather
mitchell,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
westboro
community
association
today,
you're,
probably
going
to
hear
from
some
neighbors
you're
going
to
hear
from
a
local
historian,
and
we
have
the
community
association
which
covers
hopefully
most
of
our
neighborhood.
L
You
would
also
have
received
many
emails
by
now
from
neighbors
living
in
the
westborough
and
highland
park
area.
A
month
or
so
ago
a
neighbor
held
a
meeting
that
was
attended
by
well
over
20
people,
plus
our
wonderful
counselor,
to
discuss
the
situation
and
try
to
figure
out
what
we
could
do
to
save
this
home
we've
reached
out
to
the
councillor
our
local
historian
dave
alston,
both
of
whom
responded
positively
and
they
feel
the
home
is
worth
preserving.
L
I
think
this
speaks
to
the
deep
interest
and
concern
the
community
feels
about
501
coal.
I'm
really
pleased
to
see
staff
here
who
helped
us
through
with
our
application.
Eric
I'm
sorry.
I've
got
the
the
name
wrong
here,
but
it's
I'm
really
pleased
to
see
him
here.
Staff
really
helped
us
with
our
application
for
designation.
L
L
We
think
that's
the
same
in
terms
of
history
and
what
we
determine
as
our
historical
assets.
You've
heard
that
the
home
was
built
in
1913..
I
won't
go
over
my
notes
because
this
has
already
been
covered.
I
do
want
to
say,
though,
that
it's
it's
an
important
institution
to
our
neighborhood
you'll,
appreciate
that
back
in
the
day
there
were
no
community
centers
or
shopping
malls.
L
So
when
it
became
the
mance
when
501
became
the
mass
of
the
church,
it
became
a
great
community
hub
and
they
used
to
hold
strawberry
socials
every
spring.
And
although
this
sounds
very
small
and
local
to
you,
it
was
apparently
for
the
whole
neighborhood.
It
was
a
big
gathering
time
it
wasn't.
The
strawberry
socials
you
you
might
hear
of
now
at
your
local
senior
center.
As
I
say,
it
was
a
place
where
people
came
together
after
a
long
hard
winter.
Everyone
gathered
to
swap
stories,
share
gossip
and
probably
conduct
a
little
business
on
the
side.
L
I
have
no
doubt
the
story
of
the
growth
of
westboro
is
the
story
of
of
of
ottawa's
growth
as
well.
So
when
I
say
it's
local
and
as
as
greg
and
the
staff
are
a
little
concerned
about
whether
it
contributes
to
ottawa
story.
Well,
it
it
sure
did
because
the
growth
of
this
neighborhood
very
much
contributed
to
ottawa
through
all
the
other
stuff.
The
logging
skied,
all
the
other,
but
cole
was
someone
who
wanted
to
develop
a
middle
class.
L
This
is
this
city
trying
to
find
its
feet
to
be
a
capital.
The
rail
was
king.
Ten
years
ago,
as
a
number
of
years
ago,
you
had
the
great
fires.
The
city
was
struggling
to
become
a
capital,
and
john
cole
was
helping
with
that
and
westboro
seems
to
be
very
important
to
ottawa.
Right
now,
we
are
along
with
center
town
and
some
of
our
other
urban
neighborhoods.
We
are
being
asked
to
intensify,
which
we're
very
happy
to
do
and,
as
jeff
has
pointed
out,
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
intensification.
L
L
So
we'd
very
much
like
to
have
coal
preserved
because
of
its
merits
to
us
in
the
community,
because
it's
an
institution
in
the
community
and
but
we'd
also
like
to
work
with
greg
and
the
staff
to
work
on
this
do
more
work
in
our
neighborhood,
so
that
you,
as
this
committee,
are
presented
with
less
of
these
ad
hoc
applications,
so
we're
standing
by
to
work
with
heritage
staff,
and
we
hope
that
you
will
agree
that
more
work
needs
to
be
done
in
our
awards.
L
L
As
I
say,
it's
local,
but
it's
important
to
us
and
we
feel
we
really
can
count
on
you.
We
hope
we
can
count
on
you
to
designate
this
house.
It
has
great
value
to
us
in
the
community
thanks
very
much.
A
Thank
you
miss
mitchell.
I
see
that
your
your
award,
counselor
counselor
leeper,
has
raised
his
hand
to
ask
you
a
question.
P
A
And
thank
you
miss
mitchell
for
for
your
delegation.
The
next
registered
speaker
on
the
list
is
murray,
chowan
of
nova
tech.
F
Thank
you,
chair
king,
I'm
wondering
if
ms
harris
could
speak
before
me
and
then
I
could
follow
up
she's
listed
as
your
third
speaker.
A
Sure
I'll
I'll
definitely
permit
that
so
miss
harris.
Please
go
ahead.
Q
Thank
you
very
much.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
can
hear
me.
A
Q
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
my
video
is
turned
off,
but
that
may
be
me,
but
that's
all
right.
Q
So
I'm
a
heritage
consultant
and
public
historian
with
about
34
years
of
full-time
experience
in
heritage
conservation,
I'm
also
a
member
of
the
canadian
association
of
heritage
professionals
and
I've
been
qualified
as
an
expert
witness
at
omb
lpat
hearings
and
I've
served
as
a
member
former
member
of
the
conservation
review
board,
albeit
only
in
2009-2011..
Q
I
agree
with
the
city
that
the
designation
is
not
warranted
for
501
coal
avenue,
but
it
goes
further
and
say
that
even
using
contextual
values
is
not
warranted,
while
501
coal
avenue
has
a
connection
with
the
cluster
of
houses,
which
is
was
used
in
the
document
that
I've
seen
and
I
have
not
seen
the
state
the
the
proposed
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value.
The
area
in
question,
in
my
opinion,
would
be
highland
park
as
laid
out
in
1898.
That
includes
nine
city
blocks.
Q
This
area
includes
old,
not
too
old
and
many
new
buildings,
including
dozens
sharing,
the
block
with
dozens
of
new
buildings
sharing
the
block
with
501
coal
criterion.
Three
one
asks
whether
the
property
is
important
in
defining,
maintaining
or
supporting
the
character
of
an
area
when
considering
designations
that
reference.
This
criteria,
the
conservation
review
board
whose
functions
are
now
integrated
into
lpat,
has
issued
several
reports
that
address
this
criterion.
Q
I
will
reference
only
one
due
to
climb.
Due
to
the
time
I
have
in
its
recommendation
for
65
ward
street
south
in
port
hope.
The
board
determined
that
quote
the
immediate
vicinity,
excluding
the
school,
appears
to
be
an
area
of
mixed
housing
of
various
ages
and
styles.
Thus,
it
is
difficult
to
discern
how
the
property
defines
keeps
or
supports
the
character
of
the
area.
Q
As
a
result,
the
review
board
finds
as
a
result,
the
review
board
found.
That's
the
end
of
the
quote
that
this
criterion
was
not
met
in
looking
at
the
area
myself
using
google
street
view,
the
area
and
port
hope.
The
area
is
even
less
mixed
than
the
highland
park
subdivision,
with
respect
to
crb
designations
of
1325,
1351
and
1365
bayview
avenue
in
toronto.
It
was
also
determined
that
the
area
had
evolved
substantially
and
that
this
criterion
was
not
met.
Q
So,
in
my
analysis,
I
really
agree
with
the
city
that,
especially
in
this
case,
that
meeting
the
issue
of
contextual
value,
even
if
it
were
met,
is
not
sufficient
for
a
designation
of
this
building,
and
I
would
like
to
have
seen
the
statement
of
cultural,
the
drafted
state
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value
in
case
there
were
other
points
that
I
could
have
discussed
in
my
short
time
here,
but
I
think
I'm
just
going
to
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
questions
and
I
do
see
that
counselor
leaper
has
raised
his
hand.
P
Thank
you
sorry
trying
to
find
that
button.
So
ms
harris.
P
I
think
where
I
would
disagree
with
you
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
understand
the
the
the
point
that
you've
put
forward.
You
you've
visited
the
site
eyes
and
and
taken
a
look
at
the
streets.
P
So
I
believe,
and
certainly
the
community
believes,
that
there
is
a
coherence.
There
is
still
a
recognizable
coherence
of
development
in
highland
park.
It
it
doesn't
look
like
every
other
neighborhood
in
ottawa.
I
think
it
continues
to
look
distinctively
highland
park
and
and
maintaining
this
building
is
an
important
part
of
keeping
that
touchstone
to
what
highland
park
looked
like
without
going
so
far
as
to
try
to
preserve
every
building
exactly
in
its
current
state.
Q
Q
There
are
houses,
you
know
of
a
different
era
and
a
different
quality
that
are
part
of
quote
the
original
subdivision
in
the
sense
they're.
The
first
houses
built
on
those
lots
as
subdivided
for
the
creation
of
a
very
simple
and
basic
subdivision.
There's
no
parks
associated
with
that
subdivision
highland
park
was
a
you
know.
It's
it's
a
name
to
pretend.
There's
a
park.
P
I
I
we're
we're
not
probably
going
to
agree,
but
I
I
do
have
a
fundamental
disagreement:
that
there
isn't
a
a
continued
coherence
to
the
highland
park
neighborhood
in
westborough
today,
of
which
it
is
important
that
we
preserve
some
of
those
touchstones
to
continue
to
guide
architects
moving
forward
in
future.
But
I
don't
think
we'll
agree.
I
appreciate
your
intervention,
ms
harris.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
counselor.
I
don't
see
any
other
hands
raised,
so
thank
you.
Miss
harris
and
the
next
registered
speaker
is,
is
murray,
chowan.
F
So,
thank
you
very
much
chair
king,
you
and
many
of
the
members
of
the
bill.
Harris
subcommittee
know
that
I'm
a
professional
planner.
I
don't
profess
to
be
a
heritage
expert.
As
a
professional
planner.
You
know
I
rely
on
the
expertise
of
environmentalists
when
dealing
with
endangered
species
and
natural
heritage
features.
I
rely
on
the
advice
of
geotechnical
engineers
when
dealing
with
soil
conditions
and
slope
stability.
Ideal.
I
rely
on
the
expertise
of
arbors
when
discussing
the
ability
to
save
trees.
F
F
You've
heard
from
ms
harris
that,
firstly,
she
agrees.
F
I
find
it
interesting.
I
think
that
that
there's
a
tremendous
pressure
on
the
committee
today
to
designate
this
building
as
a
heritage
structure.
I
note
that
there
are,
I
would
guess,
easily
half
a
dozen
similar
properties
within
kitchissippi
ward
and
maybe
even
within
highland
park
they're
on
the
heritage
register.
There
were
several
added
as
a
result
of
your
recommendation
on
report
two
this
morning.
B
F
F
A
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
Any
questions
from
committee.
A
Seeing
none
thank
you
so
much
for
your
delegation.
The
next
registered
speaker
is
dave
alston.
R
So
I've
written
letters
of
support
and
spoken
at
a
few
committee
meetings
in
the
past
and
I've
reserved
speaking
in
person
for
when
I
feel
strongly
about
a
potential
lost
heritage
home
and
in
this
case
I
feel
especially
strongly
about
coming
out
to
support
501
coal
avenue
and
to
urge
designation
for
the
ontario
heritage
act.
My
focus
is
going
to
be
on
the
contextual
value
of
the
house,
but
I
do
have
other
comments
as
well.
I
think
this
is
an
absolutely
important
house
to
the
community
of
island
park
and,
more
importantly,
its
history.
R
That
cole
would
have
admired
with
pride
when
he
walked
past
from
his
home
down
on
richmond
road
in
the
first
few
decade
of
the
1900's
there's
a
building
boom
in
westborough
and
in
the
north
half
of
the
community.
R
There
was
an
array
of
cottages
that
were
built
along
the
water
business
became
one
of
the
first
of
cottage
summer
resort
areas,
but
on
the
south
half
there
was
a
the
professionals
of
auto
that
were
building
prominent
houses
so
fast
forward,
just
14
years
in
1914,
when
the
house
was
completed,
there
was
exactly
520
structures
in
westboro.
R
That's,
according
to
the
the
old
assessment
role
of
1914,
the
pert
house
at
501
close
one
of
those
houses,
and
my
estimate
is
less
well
less
than
150
of
these
houses
remaining
in
westboro
and
that
number
continues
to
dwindle
every
year.
The
house
is
specially
unique
and
report
goes
through
all
the
reasons
why
and
it
has
contextual
value
in
its
prominent
location
of
the
neighborhood.
It's
a
solid
and
impressive
build
and
it
has
a
you
can
unique
and
interesting
history,
like
all
the
houses,
the
stories
that
they
each
tell.
R
It
also
is
a
bit
unique
and
it's
a
it's
a
solid
brick,
solid
masonry
house,
it's
not
just
a
brick
veneer
house,
but
and
one
of
only
a
handful
of
examples
left
in
in
westbrook
anyway.
My
other
rest
of
my
comments,
I
want
to
speak
to
recommendation
to
the
staff
report
regarding
proactivity
and
to
me
there's
a
significant
lack
of
productivity
in
heritage
asset
management
in
ottawa.
R
We
use
the
heritage
register
as
a
bit
of
a
crutch
almost
and
I'm
glad
exists
and
staff
have
done
exemplary
work
in
the
last
six
years
getting
updated,
but
it's
barely
better
than
having
nothing
at
all.
I
see
it
more
of
a
list
of
death
row
inmates
where
you
can
get
a
60
days
day
of
execution,
but
in
almost
all
cases
the
governor
isn't
calling
giving
you
a
pardon
at
the
end.
It's
going
to
be
another
demolished
house
and,
and
the
lack
of
productivity
is,
is
painful.
The
current
system
is
not
fair.
R
Equally
to
the
unsuspecting
home
owner
or
or
the
the
community
is
going
to
suddenly
lose
a
valuable
home
and
it
takes
a
substantial
amount
of
time,
effort
and
expertise
in
a
very
short
time
frame
by
community
members
who
shouldn't
even
have
the
onus
on
them
to
put
all
this
together
on
their
own.
But
this
is
how
it
is
my
kudos
to
the
westboro
ca
for
investing
their
precious
time
and
effort
into
saving
501
coal,
and
hopefully
the
committee
members
are
aware
the
amount
of
work
put
into
this.
R
I
also
work
as
the
heritage
asset
lead
for
national
defense
and
whenever
building
hits
50
years
of
age,
we
go
to
fibro
and
we
review
it
and
we
have
a
definite
answer
going
forward
that
all
parties
can
operate
under
in
ottawa.
We
have
nothing,
we
have
no
standards,
we
have
no
benchmarks,
no
milestones.
We
don't
even
really
have
a
reliable
date
of
construction
dates.
R
Pre-World
war,
two
right,
so
you
know
we
can
wait
around
for
the
city
to
develop
a
system
and
become
proactive,
which
is
like,
I
sincerely
hope
they
can
and
we'd
love
to
even
assist
on
doing.
But
in
the
meantime,
we're
left
with
the
system
we
have,
which
is
a
mad
scramble
to
protect
those
buildings
that
are
important
to
save
for
the
community,
and
so
since
this
this
is
the
only
system
we
have.
R
I
find
that
recommendation
too,
almost
defensive
and
then
it's
not
okay
to
just
say
goodbye
to
this
house
and
we'll
fix
it
later.
If
you
read
some
of
the
heritage
reports
from
the
80s
and
90s,
they
make
the
same
promises
about
pro-activity
and
the
need
for
a
system
city
heritage
playing
it's
a
small
team.
They
don't
and
never
have
had
the
time
or
resources
to
implement
a
thorough
system
and
like
everywhere
else
it
seems
heritage
is
not.
It
never
will
be
a
top
priority
for
the
city
to
to
administer.
R
The
house
is
important
to
the
area,
and
so
this
is
our
opportunity
to
be
proactive
and
serve
as
deserving
heritage.
Buildings
and
the
war
put
in
by
the
city
demonstrates
that,
in
view
that
is
likely
many
ways
away.
If
ever
that
we
see
a
few
pro-like
system
of
harassment
management
in
ottawa,
it's
not
fair
to
simply
discard
houses.
R
That
absolutely
would
be
strongly
considered
for
designations
in
a
productive
system
as
an
excellent
representative
sample
of
important
area
of
our
neighborhoods
development,
there's
only
a
handful
of
designated
buildings
in
west
brom
and
just
one
house,
south
richmond
road-
that's
completely
insufficient
and
dangerous.
Once
this
house
is
gone,
we
can't
wish
it
back.
We
can't
bring
it
back.
I
have
a
list
of
buildings.
R
I
wish
we
could
bring
back
but
they're
gone
and
then
the
opportunity
now
is
to
do
the
right
thing,
preserve
a
five-on-one
call,
so
future
generations
can
continue
to
enjoy
the
home
and
the
tangible
history
that
displays
like
a
living
museum
of
highland
park
right
in
the
middle
of
neighborhood.
So
thank
you
hope
for
that
donation.
P
Thanks
and
dave,
you
write
a
column,
I
think.
Well,
I
know
for
the
kitchissippi
times
outlining
the
history
of
the
neighborhood
yeah.
What
is
what
is
the
the
reaction
you
get
to
that
column
every
month.
R
It's
fantastic,
so
I've
been
doing
this
for
eight
years
now,
writing
a
monthly
column
on
the
history
of
local
history
and
people.
Love
it
it's
by
far
the
most
well
clicked
on
popular
column
in
the
paper
and
the
surgeons
of
interest
and
local
history
and
knowledge
is
astounding
compared
to
even
how
it
was
10
15
years
ago,
and
and
people
love
learning
about
that
bits
of
history
in
their
community
and
that
the
amount
of
old
history
like
the
original
touch
points
is,
is
quickly
disappearing.
R
We
don't
have
that
anymore,
and
so
people
appreciate
to
know
wow.
We
have
this
house
here
that
was
you
know
here
before
world
war,
one
and
this
all
the
history
tied
to
it.
You
lose
that
when
it's
gone,
and
I
think
that
you
know
the
more
that
that's
lost,
that
that
character,
westboro
is
lost,
and
so
I,
based
on
what
I
hear
from
people,
it's
important
to
have
that
that
last
bits
that
we
have
to
stay
or
to
be
kept.
R
Oh,
it
is
alive
in
the
neighborhood,
but
it's
it's
disappearing
quickly.
You
know
every
time
we
pull
down
an
older
building,
especially
one
that
means
so
much
and
has
that
unique
history
to
the
area
it's
lost,
and-
and
so
I
do
my
best
with
the
writing
of
about
it-
and
you
know,
there's
a
few
books
and
stuff,
but
it's
it's
not
the
same
as
being
able
to
actually
see
that
tangible
piece
of
history.
Now,
ms.
P
Harris
has
asserted
that
the
the
neighborhood
has
changed
so
much
that
there's
no
contextual
value.
I
I've
disagreed
with
her.
In
that
I
I
believe
there
is
a
coherence
in
highland
park
that
continues
to
be
alive
and
real
and
felt
today,
but
how?
How
do
you
address
ms
harris's
assertion
of
you
know
context
to
what
I
guess
is
what
she's
asking.
R
Right,
well,
I
feel
the
same.
I
feel
the
same
as
you.
I
question
that
I
I
think
that
gives
it
all
the
more
reason
to
need
to
preserve
that
the
remaining
bits
of
history
is.
I
can
relate
to
my
national
defense
work
and
that
if
we
felt
that
way
about
say
well,
we
have
and
all
new
airplanes
and
all
new
hangars.
So
why
would
we
keep
our
world
war
one
hangers
and
boarding?
R
While
I
say
all
the
more
reason
we
need
to
keep
those
hangers,
because
this
is
our
last
bit
of
history
from
that
era,
and
that's
what
we're
looking
for
a
representative
example
that
people
can
look
at
and
and
say,
wow.
This
is
this
is
from
you
know,
1913.,
and
I
love
that
it's
part
of
a
little
cluster
at
the
corner.
It's
like,
I
said,
like
almost
like
a
living
museum,
so
I
think
it's
all
the
more
important
because
of
the
changing
fabric
of
the
neighborhood
amazing.
A
And
thank
you
dave
for
your
your
deputation
much
appreciated
this
morning.
We
also
have
dave
mirror,
who
is
also
here,
so
please
go
ahead.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
can
you
hear
me
all
right?
We
can
okay.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity,
mr
chairman,
and
the
members
of
the
committee
to
make
a
submission
on
behalf
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
neighbors,
in
this
case
a
501
coal
and
and
then
to
be
able
to
speak
to
that
submission,
which
is
what
I'll
do
this
morning.
E
I'd
also
like
to
mention,
and
thank
the
city
staff,
in
particular
mr
mcpherson,
for
the
report
that
was
prepared
under
a
fairly
tight
timeline,
because
it
did
contain
a
considerable
amount
of
valuable
information
that
I
think
can
be
used
as
as
councilor
leeper
said,
to
make
the
case
to
preserve
this
property.
E
I
wanted
to
begin
with
the
last
part
of
my
letter,
which
was
really
addressed.
Why?
Why
did
my
wife-
and
I
this
letter
came
from
my
wife
and
I
choose
to
take
the
time
to
write
to
the
committee,
and
why
did
I
put
my
hand
up
to
speak
at
this
committee
because
I
think
that's
important
too
and
goes
to
some
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made
in
support
of
preservation
of
501
coal
in
highland
park.
E
We
have
a
very
deep
sense
of
a
family
of
friendship
of
community
within
highland
park.
It's
the
kind
of
neighborhood
that
people
come
to
for
whatever
reason
and
but
they
stay
they
stay
because
of
the
nature
of
the
neighborhood,
including
its
historical
touch,
points
and
I'll
I'll
talk
really
briefly
about
my
own
experience
as
I
lead
into
501
coal.
E
But
we
have
these
deep
roots
and-
and
we
firmly
believe
that
the
there's
a
connection
between
those
deep
roots
that
have
taken
hold
in
highland
park
and
the
vision
of
people
like
john
cole,
john
cole,
set
out
to
create
an
enduring
community
that
was
affluent
and
cohesive
and
had
some
many
of
the
aspects
that
mr
macpherson
canvassed
in
his
report
and
I
believe
he
succeeded
and
I,
I
think,
there's
a
strong
connection
between
the
vision
of
historical
builders
like
john
cole
and
the
communities
that
exist
today
and
the
attitude
of
the
people
that
live
within
those
communities.
E
So
it
was
with
that
in
mind
that
my
wife
and
I
felt
strongly
enough
to
write
this
subcommittee
and
me
appear
today.
Our
own
personal
experience
we've
been
in
the
community
for
38
years.
We
first
moved
my
wife
and
I,
shortly
after
we're
married,
we
bought
our
first
house.
It
was
on
raven
hill
avenue,
it's
a
turn-of-the-century,
semi-detached
house
across
from
the
lawn
bowling
club,
if
you're
familiar
with
the
neighborhood
and
that
that
really
peaked
our
interest,
because
it
was
a
historic
property.
Piqued.
E
Our
interest
in
the
in
the
history
of
the
neighborhood
as
our
family
began
to
arrive
that
that
house
became
too
small
and
we
ended
up
just
around
the
corner
on
coal
avenue
at
501
coal
and
our
house
sits
directly
opposite
or
we're
at
504.
Sorry,
our
house
sits
directly
opposite
501
and
the
view
that
we
have
every
day
from
our
front
porch
and
or
as
we
walk
out
to
the
road,
is
precisely
the
view
that
you
can
see
in
the
pictures
that
have
been
shown
of
the
property.
E
It's
a
beautiful
property
and
it
would
be
a
shame
in
our
view,
for
more
reasons
other
than
historic
and
in
addition
to
the
historic
reasons,
if
we
were
to
lose
that
property,
not
only
are
we
across
from
501
coal
were
kitty
corner
with
the
cobblestone
cottage,
which
has
been
mentioned
and
canvassed
in
the
report
as
well,
and
next
door
to
us
is
another
large
historic
home
that
is
on
the
heritage
register.
E
So
we're
sitting
right
in
the
I
guess
in
the
the
center
of
the
the
so-called
cluster
at
the
corner
of
kenwood
and
coal,
we
raised
our
family
there,
our
family
made
friends,
we
made
friends,
lifelong
friends,
and
things
came
first
full
circle
about
a
year
ago,
when
my
daughter
and
her
family
acquired
a
house
in
highland
park
and
and
now
her
family,
including
our
grandchildren,
will
also
be
raising
a
family
and
staying
in
highland
park
and.
A
E
Is
up
yes,
wow,
oh
wow,
okay,
I'll
wrap
up!
I'm
very
sorry,
then
I'll
wrap
up
by
saying
that
I
think
501
coal
is
is
unique
amongst
the
cluster
of
properties.
I
don't
think
you
can
capture
a
vision
of
a
founder
for
a
cohesive
neighborhood
with
a
single
property.
E
I
think
you
need
you
need
to
capture
that
with
a
with
a
group
of
properties.
501
coal
is
very
distinctive
in
terms
of
that
cluster,
I'm
familiar
with
them
all,
and
I
think
the
the
committee
has
an
opportunity
to
protect
this
property,
because
you
have
a
report
in
front
of
you
which
says
that
it
meets
the
requirement
of
the
ontario
regulation.
E
Properties
are
disappearing
very
fast
in
our
neighborhood
and
there's
an
opportunity
now
to
protect
this
one.
I
would
encourage
you
to
take
it.
Thank
you.
P
Thanks
and
david,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
the
intervention.
The
key
question
has
been
posed
by
some.
Is
it
has
contextual
value
but
contextual
value
to
what
and
we
both
know
that
a
lot
of
the
properties
around
highland
park
have
changed.
P
I
guess
I
would
ask
you
the
same
question
I
asked
dave,
which
is:
is
there
still
a
context
in
highland
park,
despite
the
intensification
that's
taking
place
that
is
worthy
of
highlighting
with
the
preservation
of
buildings
like
this.
E
Yes,
thank
you
for
that
question.
Counselor
leeper.
Absolutely.
The
particular
house
is
beside
the
an
existing
heritage
house
and
around
the
corner
from
a
historic
property
from
which
it's
associated
with
the
baptist
church,
though
you
know
that
that
particular
cluster
of
houses
is
worth
is
worth
in
our
view.
Preserving.
A
And
thank
you
as
well
david
for
your
for
your
submission.
Thank
you.
Our
last
registered
speaker
on
this
item
is
david
fleming
from
heritage
ottawa.
F
Well,
mr
chair
three
days
in
a
row,
perhaps
we
should
start
a
doo-wop
group
or
something
heritage.
Ottawa
is
disappointed
that
staff
do
not
recommend
this
property.
Despite
having
contextual
value
for
designation
under
the
ontario
heritage
act,
the
property
is
located
in
an
area
that
is
badly.
That
is
underrepresented
in
both
part
four
and
designations,
and
has
no
part
5
designations.
F
P
Thanks
and
just
to
clarify
your
comments,
david,
the
you
do
feel
that
it
is
worthy
of
designation
and
that
the
contextual
value
is
strong
enough
that
it
that
it
qualifies.
F
B
F
Allison,
I
think,
are
very
legitimate
ones
and
I
think
it
shows
the
difficulty
sometime
of
the
city
trying
to
resolve
the
the
the
pull
between
designation
and
modern
and
modernization
and
intensification
in
communities,
but
I
think
it's.
This
is
one
that
I
think
that
staff
have
not
dropped
the
ball,
but
I
think
they're
making
the
wrong
recommendation
on
and
we
would
support
that
it'd
be
a
review.
Thank
you.
P
F
Well
in
in
dealing
in
heritage
in
the
city
for
20
years,
I
can
remember
lots
of
instances
where
that
rationale
has
been
used,
that
oh,
it's
very
typical
or
it's
very
typical
of
buildings
in
other
parts
of
the
city.
But
I
think
what
we're
looking
at
in
this
case
is
a
coherent
community
and
I
think,
a
community
that
we
do
not
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
designations,
certainly
not
part
five
designations
that
reflect
this.
F
It's
we
just
finished
doing
heritage
conservation,
district
plan,
approval
for
centertown
and
mental
park,
and
they
are
some
of
the
older
districts
in
the
city.
A
Thank
you
david
and
thank
you,
council
leaper.
Does
the
committee
have
any
questions
for
staff
seeing
that
that
our
third
david
was
the
last
registered
speaker,
and
I
see
that
vice
chair
quinn
has
her
hands
raised
first.
I
Thank
you
chair.
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
to
staff,
for
the
presentation
and
to
members
of
the
community
and
others
who
have
come
out
to
speak
today.
It's
very
appreciated.
I
I
I
asked
myself
if
each
one
of
these
other
houses
were
considered
individually,
as
we
were
considering
501
coal,
would
we
find
ourselves
in
the
same
situation
where
they
don't
from
staff's
perspective,
don't
quite
meet
the
level
of
to
qualify
for
designation
so
that
each
one
individually
on
its
own
in
staff's
view,
would
result
in
a
recommendation
to
proceed
with
demolition.
I
So
at
what
point
do
you
pick
off
each
contributing
factor
to
an
important
cluster
where
you
that,
essentially
you
just
you
no
longer
have
the
cluster,
so
my
question
really
is:
if,
if
staff.
I
Could
comment
on
minus
cobblestone
cottage
perceptions
of
the
other
houses
that
make
up
the
cluster.
D
I
think
for
the
question
I
think,
just
to
start
off,
we
haven't
done
that
level
of
analysis
to
to
comment
on
each
individual
property
that
does
make
up
that
cluster,
but
to
to
point
back
to
recommendation
two
too.
D
That
is,
you
know
largely.
The
intention
within
that
recommendation
is
to
undertake
some
of
that
proactive
work
so
that
we
do
have
a
better
understanding
of
what
resources
exist
in
the
area
and
potentially
are
able
to
move
to
designation
prior
to
60
day
notices
coming
in,
where
appropriate.
I
D
D
Thank
you.
No,
I
wouldn't
say
that
there's
any
factual
disinformation
with
that
statement,
I
think
the
that
that's
sort
of
the
the
subjective
nature
of
some
of
these
designations
is
that
you
know
certain
characteristics
can
be
identified
as
part
of
a
designation
by
depending
on
on
who
is
conducting
that
research
and
how
it's
contextualized.
B
And
I
know
that
the
criteria
are
subjective
and
we
don't
use
a
scoring
system
in
order
to
arrive
at
at
a
conclusion
or
recommendation.
B
D
Yeah,
so
I
think
I
can.
I
can
pass
this
one
over
to
leslie,
briefly
to
sort
of
speak
more
to
some
of
the.
I
think
broader
program
implications,
but
staff
spent
a
really
significant
amount
of
time
assessing
this
property
and
trying
to
understand
the
implications
of
that
contextual
value.
So
I
will
say
that
there
was
a
lot
of
deliberation
and
I
think
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
both
among
among
staff
and
then
among
my
with
myself
as
well,
when
I
was
undertaking
that
review.
S
Thanks
greg,
just
maybe
to
add
on
to
that,
I
think.
As
was
noted,
you
know
we
did
take
an
undertake,
a
detailed
review
of
this
property.
I
would
say
that
it
is.
It
is
close
in
that
staff
have
acknowledged
that
it
does
meet
one
of
the
three
criteria
under
the
act,
but
if
we
compare
it
to
the
other
designated
properties
on
the
city's
heritage
register,
it
doesn't
quite
meet
that
bar
in
staff's
opinion.
S
So,
while
council
would
be
the
committee
and
council
would
be
well
within
their
ability
to
designate
this
building
because
it
does
meet
one
of
the
three
criteria.
It's
staff's
opinion
that
it
doesn't
meet
the
bar
for
what
we
consider
to
be
significant
as
part
of
the
designation
program.
B
Okay,
thanks
very
much
that's
helpful.
This
is
this
is
a
close
call.
I've
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
reading
and
rereading
the
report
and
the
supporting
documents-
and
I
think
counselor
leaper
on
behalf
of
the
community,
makes
a
very
good
case
as
to
why
it
should
so.
This
will
be
a
tough
call
for
committee.
Thank
you.
L
Thank
you
chair.
A
lot
of
the
discourse
today
has
been
concerning,
as
carolyn
had
pointed
out,
this
cluster
of
properties
and
their
contributing
value
and
501's
501
kohl's
role
within
that
cluster.
L
The
current
staff
report,
the
recommendation-
is
to
investigate
other
properties
for
designation
under
part
four
of
the
ontario
heritage
act.
Is
there
any
intent
by
city
staff
to
look
at
part
five
designation
for
areas
more
broadly
within
this
ward.
S
I
can
take
this
question
at
this
point
in
time.
We
we
haven't
identified
any
areas
in
particular
for
part
5
designation,
but
I
do
think
through
that
recommendation
too.
You
know,
I
think
a
proactive
approach
to
designation
in
general
is
the
is
the
goal
here
so
identifying
properties
and
potentially
areas
that
may
merit
designation
under
the
act.
So
I
think
the
initial
goal,
because
what
we're
normally
dealing
with
is
one-off
demolitions
at
this
point
in
time,
is
to
sort
of
make
a
list
of
what
we
think
are
they
working
with
the
community?
S
A
And
thank
you,
member
hassell.
The
last
person
with
their
hand
raised
is
member
podolsky.
C
C
Was
there
a
conversation
dialogue
with
the
property
owner
about
the
potential
to
intensify
the
property
by
adding
to
the
side
of
the
building
and
the
rear
of
the
building,
in
order
to
achieve
the
intensification
objective
that
the
property
owner
obviously
seeks
to
to
to
carry
out?
So
that's
question
number
one.
D
Yes,
so
so
that
was
a
discussion
with
the
property
owner.
It
was
ultimately
something
that
they
were
not
interested
in
pursuing.
C
A
second
question,
then,
and
that
is
in
the
proposed
severance,
which
would
be
granted
meeting
the
conditions
that
were
given
did
the
property
owner
illustrate
the
two
architecturally,
the
two
houses
that
were
to
be
built
to
assess
whether
they
are
and
have
they
been
assessed
to
be
informally
to
be
compatible
with
the
with
the
cluster
of
houses
that
are
there.
A
Thank
you
and
they
don't
see
any
oh,
I
don't
see
any
other
hands
except
counselor
leaper
and
I
am
moving
on
to
comments.
So
I
don't
know
if
this
is
questions
or
comments,
but
it
could
be
either
or.
P
Yeah-
and
I
guess
the
question
is:
do
we
do
we
just
continue
to
let
these
buildings
be
demolished
one
by
one
by
one,
without
trying
to
preserve
the
context?
That
is
the
the
value
of
this
building
it?
It
just
strikes
me
as
a
march
and
putting
the
buildings
on
the
heritage
register
clearly
doesn't
protect,
protect
them
absolutely,
which
is
the
point
that
we
were
making
to
the
delegates
in
in
the
previous
discussion
item
around
additions
to
the
register.
P
S
I
think
that's
why
we've
put
in
recommendation
too
in
this
in
this
instance,
because
we
are
seeing
an
acceleration
in
the
number
of
60-day
notices
that
we're
receiving
in
this
area,
and
I
think
there
are
also
potentially
buildings
located
in
this
neighborhood
that
haven't
yet
been
added
to
the
register
that
perhaps
should
be,
and
there
were
several
of
them
included
in
the
report
for
additions
to
the
heritage
register.
That
was
item
two
on
this
agenda.
So
what
what
staff
is
hoping
to
do
through?
S
Recommendation,
too,
is
to
take
a
broader
approach
where
we're
looking
at.
You
know
this
question
that
came
up
earlier
of.
Do
we
wait
until
there's
only
one
left
and
then
designate
that
that
is
not
the
goal.
The
goal
is
to
look
at
sort
of
the
themes
of
history
throughout
kitchissippi,
ward
and
figure
out,
which
which
buildings
are
the
best
representation
of
those
themes
of
history
and
doing
it
on
a
sort
of
ad
hoc,
one-off
basis
makes
it
much
more
difficult
and
sort
of
to
try
to
understand
which
are
the
most
important
buildings.
S
So
that
is,
that
is
the
staff
position
on
recommendation
two
and
that
we
would
identify
properties
for
designation
through
that
recommendation.
S
That
definitely
factored
into
the
to
the
discussion,
and
I
think,
as
councillor
gower
noted,
this
is
a
a
close
call
on
this
property
staff
have
have
acknowledged
that
the
building
does
have
value.
The
property
does
have
value,
it
is,
but
it
is
staff's
position
that
it
doesn't
sort
of
meet
that
bar
for
designation,
okay,.
P
I'll
just
I'll
take
this
opportunity
to
say
thank
you
very
much
leslie
and
thank
you
very
much
greg
you've
both
helped
me
out
a
lot
through
this
process
and
I
do
appreciate
the
the
professionalism
with
which
you've
approached
a
very
contentious
issue.
Thank
you.
C
Yes,
chair:
I
have
some
comments
on
this
prior
to
our
vote.
The
first
is
that
I
really
do
appreciate
the
thorough
work
that
staff
has
done
and
their
recommendation
against
recommendation.
C
I
think
that
what
we
all
need
to
appreciate
on
a
city-wide
basis
is
that,
like
in
primary
school
system
or
even
university
school
system,
there
is
a
phenomenon
called
grade
inflation,
and
I
think
that
it's
something
that
I
recognize
staff
and
heritage
ottawa
and
others
have
been
addressing
for
many
many
years,
and
that
is
the
issue
of,
shall
we
say,
designation,
deflation,
that
the
gap
between
those
that
have
been
designated
that
have
the
highest
level
of
excellence,
historic
value,
architectural
value
and
contextual
value
is
eroded
somewhat,
as
we
expand
the
number
of
of
designations
under
part,
four
that
include
the
marginal
ones
that
erode
the
standards
of
the
city
of
ottawa
in
its
approach
to
recognizing
the
the
heritage
of
our
our
community.
C
On
the
other
hand,
I
am
very
very
mindful
and
appreciate
the
sentiment
which
the
local
community
has
and
the
work
that
has
been
done
and
also
recognized,
as
others
do,
that
there
is
a
gray
area
that
the
bar
is
not
fixed
and
the
mark
can
shift
the
bar
as
to
designation
or
not.
Destination
varies
year
by
year,
and
I'm
willing
to
show
you
say,
share
the
community's
concern
in
what
is
of
important
matters
in
a
local
community.
And
for
those
of
you
who
remember
the
the
play
two
pianos
four
hands.
C
The
two
concerts
aspiring
contrapunists
at
the
end
of
the
play
say
well,
we
may
not
have
made
it
to
juilliard
and
our
great
concert
penis,
but
we're
the
best
on
our
block,
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
case
that
this
is
of
the
best
on
the
block
and
therefore
I'm
persuaded
to
vote
in
favor
of
the
designation.
P
Thanks
and
just
by
way
of
my
last
comments,
I
I
want
to
echo
what
barry
just
spoke
about
in
terms
of
a
bar
that
moves,
and
I
want
to
caution
against
setting
the
bar
too
high.
P
This
is
an
ordinary
house
in
a
neighborhood
that
is
it's
not
famous,
but
our
history
is
is
not
just
the
capital
city
history
in
which
we
are
very
interested
in
the
buildings
in
which
sir
wilford
laurier
slept
and
the
buildings
that
are
designed
by
famous
architects
and
and
the
the
technical
and
the
scientific
design
merit
of
of
world
leading
buildings.
P
I
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
just
would
like
to
add
my
voice
to
the
comments
and
to
say
that
I
will
not
be,
and
now
I
don't
know
if
we
could
how
this
works.
When
there's
a
recommendation
it
has
is
in
two
parts.
I
I
certainly
support
part
two
for
the
second
recommendation,
but
I
do
not
support
staff's
recommendation
that
the
house
not
be
does
not
qualify
for
designation,
and
I
I
say
that
because
I
fall
back
onto
the
cluster
concept
as
we've
been
talking
about
and
the
role
this
significant,
but
not
you
know
necessarily
outstanding
example
of
a
type
contributes,
and
I
I
have
a
a
echo
of
a
staff's
former
colleague,
which
many
of
us
remember
fondly
stuart
lazier,
saying
that
once
you
pull
a
certain
number
of
teeth
out
of
a
smile,
you
no
longer
have
the
smile,
and
you
cannot
end
up
with
a
cobblestone
cottage
left
to
speak
to
what
was
clearly
for
the
community
and
for
the
history
of
highland
park
and
the
goals
of
john
cole
were
what
what
that
area
reflects.
I
And
so
I
I
think
I
will
say
confidence
that
this
almost
made
it
in.
In
my
my
estimation,
especially
in
this
area,
which
is
in
need
of
of
conservation
examination,
this
is
a
good
example
for
us
to
start
in
the
right
direction
and
proceed
with
designation.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
vice
chair,
so
just
for
clarity,
we
have
a
motion
that
replaces
the
first
clause,
which
would
seek
designation.
So
if
you
were
for
designation,
you'd
be
voting
for
this
motion,
we
have
councillor
brockington
with
his
hand,
raised.
O
Thank
you
chair
just
very
briefly
in
addition
to
the
delegations
that
we
heard
and
members
of
the
subcommittee
I'll
just
say
simply
this,
even
when
a
decision
is
closed,
because
there
are
merits
to
both
sides
of
this
argument,
I'm
going
to
acknowledge
that
this
is
not
a
slam.
Dunk
in
either
case.
O
Ask
yourself
this
question:
what
is
the
role
of
the
build
heritage
subcommittee?
Is
it
to
allow
a
home
to
be
demolished,
or
should
we
be
preserving
making
recommendations
to
preserve,
and
I
think
you
err
on
the
side
of
caution
and
you
vote
to
preserve
the
history
of
this
home
and
this
neighborhood
as
well,
when
it's
that
close?
If
you
are
on
the
line
and
are
concerned
about
which
way
to
vote
sort
of
my
the
default
is
to
preserve.
O
This
is
the
built
heritage
subcommittee,
and
I
think
we
have
an
additional
role
above
planning
or
even
council,
to
put
heritage,
certainly
on
the
front
burner.
So
for
me,
I
think
there
have
been
some
strong
arguments
made
by
the
community
there's,
certainly
strong
community
support
for
this
preservation,
and
I
will
be
voting
in
favor
of
the
brockington
leaper
motion.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
councillor,
brockington,
any
other
comments
seeing
none.
I
would
closely
associate
my
comments
with
some
of
my
colleagues,
including
counselor
brockington.
A
I
think
that
we've
been
hearing
concerns
from
the
community
and
we've
heard
concerns
from
the
ward
councillor
about
ensuring
that
we
maintain
a
coherent
community
in
this
neighborhood
and
that's
very
important.
We
also
have
to
note
that
the
contextual
value
as
evaluated
is
is
subject
to
subjective
criteria,
and
I
think
that's
important
to
understand.
A
I
do
applaud
the
the
work
and
the
in-depth
work
that
heritage
staff
has
undertaken
and
I
think
it's
it's
been
very
important,
very
insightful,
but
I
am
compelled
to
think
that
there
might
have
been
more
of
a
focus
from
what
we've
heard
from
community
members
around
the
historical
and
associated
value,
especially
around
the
use
of
the
property
as
as
as
a
church
meant.
So
I
think
we
we
heard
that
from
community
members
and
I'm
not
certain
that
was
reflected
as
much
as
I
would
have.
A
If
I
subjectively
was
was
looking
at
this
file.
Of
course,
I'm
not
a
professional,
so
I
don't
want
to
as
well
discount
the
the
input
of
staff,
but
I
think
that
that's
actually
quite
important,
and
I
think
it's
also
important
to
note
that
there's
a
major
there's
major
importance
to
heritage
staff's
second
recommendation,
which
in
my
mind,
speaks
to
the
need
for
appropriate
rational
rationales
for
designation.
A
It
notes
that
notices
of
intention
to
demolish
buildings
listed
on
the
city's
heritage
register
are
more
frequent
in
ward
15,
as
the
war
contains
335
listed
heritage
buildings
alongside
only
a
handful
of
designations
under
the
ontario
heritage
act,
and
the
report
also
noted
that,
in
addition,
ward
15
does
not
contain
any
heritage,
conservation,
districts
or
cultural
heritage
character
areas.
We
know
that
the
area
is
being
rapidly
intensified,
it's
rapidly
intensifying
and
the
heritage
building
stock
is
at
risk
of
being
lost
over
time.
A
We
know
that
the
current
approach
is
that
heritage
planning
staff
react
to
notices
of
intention
to
demolish
on
a
case-by-case
basis
within
a
60-day
time
limit
and
given
the
city's
essential
role
in
heritage
conservation.
The
rich
history
of
kitchissippi
and
given
designation,
provides
clarity
as
to
the
cultural
importance
of
a
given
property
and
that
it
is
worthy
of
ongoing
care
and
protection.
A
All
items
that
I
am
quoting
and
agree
with
in
recommendation
two.
I
believe
that
heritage
designation
is
warranted
in
the
case
of
501
coal.
I
think
it's
important
important
for
us
to
look
at
more
elements
around
the
historical
and
associative
contexts
of
heritage
attributes
and,
as
we
know,
designation,
provides
for
a
consistent
approach
to
heritage
conservation,
which
I
think
we
should
be
leaning
towards,
and
I
also
agree
with
what
councilor
brockington
was
saying
that
you
know
above
and
beyond
our
legislative
mandate.
A
A
So
so
I
believe,
if
we're
planning
for
a
future
for
strong
vibrant
communities,
we
do
require
knowledge
of
the
past
and
the
understanding
of
what
we
value
in
the
present.
Existing
building
structures
and
landscapes
often
define
a
community's
unique
identity
and
give
it
character
and
a
sense
of
place,
and
you
know
designation,
really
does
help
to
guide
this
change.
A
So
I
guess
the
the
primary
question
is:
do
we
need
to
go
to
a
vote
or
is
the
report
carried
carried.
B
A
Thank
you,
so
this
report
will
be
submitted
to
council.
The
report
will
proceed.
Sorry
to
planning
committee
on
june
23rd.
A
Thank
you
for
that
and
with
the
committee's
indulgence,
I'm
hoping
that
the
committee
would
be
willing
to
consider
the
application
to
alter
70
nicholas
street,
a
property
designated
under
part
4
of
the
ontario
heritage
act.
First,
before
we
go
to
somerset
house
simply
because
the
ward
councillor
councillor
fleury,
is
joining
us
and
has
limited
time.
A
This
item
also
was
going
to
be
on
consent
with
the
addition
of
a
motion
that
councilor
fleury
was
bringing
to
council
through
to
a
subcommittee,
I
believe,
through
councillor
brockington,
so
I'm
just
seeking
consent
of
the
committee
to
just
slightly
change
our
our
agenda
here
so
that
we
could
expedite
this
this
item
and
then
move
on
to
to
summerset
house.
A
B
Chair,
I'm
in
your
hands,
would
you
I
believe,
councilor
brockington
who's.
A
member
of
committee
has
accepted
to
move
it.
Would
you
like
me
to
read
in
record
or
not
counselor
rockington.
A
I
think
it'd
be
fine
if
you
read
it
into
the
into
the
record,
I'm
sure
counselor
brockington
would
be
amenable
to
that
and
they'll
just
ask:
would
you
mind.
B
B
As
you
know,
the
redo
center
have
gone
through
a
recent
expansion
which
included
a
heritage
property
at
the
ogilvy
building
corner
of
now
ogilvy
square,
but
formerly
nicholas
street
and
rito,
and
as
they
move
further
south
on
their
property,
there
is
the
registry
building
at
the
corner
of
daly
and
nicholas
and
they're
as
part
of
their
redevelopment
they're
looking
to
reposition
that
prop
that
property
in
a
dominant
segment
of
or
dominant
corner.
B
If
you
will
of
that
site
at
the
corner
of
daily,
so
they
have
a
short
timelines
to
do
this
work
and
there's
a
number
of
restrictions
prior
to
to
june
in
terms
of
the
work
that
that
could
be
conducted.
So
what
you
see
in
front
of
you
is
basically
a
request
that
this
item
be
moved
to
council
on
june
22nd,
which
is
this
wednesday,
so
therefore
be
it
resolved.
B
In
order
to
allow
the
applicant
to
relocate
the
heritage,
building
in
good
weather
condition
and
chair,
I
you
were
in
good
hands,
but
just
to
make
sure
I
know
that
member
padalski
is
doing
work
on
this
on
behalf
of
the
applicant.
So
I
believe
he's
has
a
conflict
on
this
item.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that,
because
I
we're
just
landing
this
item-
that
there's
no
no
surprises.
A
Here
absolutely
and
member
podelsky,
actually
that
defleur
declared
that
that
conflict
of
interest
at
the
beginning
of
the
of
the
meeting,
so
I
do
know
that
aaron
cameron
from
cadillac
fairview
is
in
attendance.
If
this
item
carries,
do
you
need
to
speak
to
it.
B
Another
engagement,
so
I'm
here
representing
the
applicant
to
meet
and
if
this
areas
no,
we
do
not
need
to
speak
to
this
item.
If
carried.
A
Thank
you
so
much
so
is
this
item
carried.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
sure
if
I
could
just
confirm
the
whether
the
committee's
also
carrying
the
motion
to
recommend
the
council
consider
this
motion
on
wednesday.
B
Okay,
okay,
thank
you
chair
just
want
to
confirm,
so
the
the
motions
carried
and
the
report
is
is
also
carried
down.
If
I
understand
correctly,
yes,.
A
Okay,
excellent.
Thank
you.
We
can
now
return
to
the
update
on
somerset
house
352,
somerset
street
west,
and
I
believe
that
staff
has
us,
has
a
report
for
us.
S
S
Thank
you,
mr
chair
members
of
the
built
heritage
subcommittee.
The
presentation
today
is
related
to
the
information
report
before
the
committee
on
somerset
house
at
352,
somerset
street
west,
at
the
may
11th
city
council,
meeting
council
directed
staff
to
provide
an
update
on
the
building
and
action
that
was
being
undertaken
at
the
next
build
heritage
subcommittee
meeting.
S
So,
while
I'm
giving
this
presentation
today,
ongoing
work
on
the
file
is
a
team
effort
on
behalf
of
all
city
staff
on
the
part
of
all
city
staff.
So,
while
I'm,
I
have
a
team
of
colleagues
here
from
heritage
building
code,
bylaw
and
legal
services.
To
answer
to
assist
me
in
answering
any
questions
the
committee
might
have
on
this
file
next
slide.
Please.
S
Only
one
application
was
acted
on,
and
that
was
for
the
demolition
of
the
east
wing
of
the
building
in
2016.,
there
was
an
associated
development
application
with
this
applica
sorry,
an
associated
redevelopment
application
that
was
never
undertaken
in
2018
october,
due
to
the
continuing
deterioration
of
the
building,
the
city
issued
an
order
under
the
property
standards
bylaw
for
the
repair
of
the
heritage
attributes
it
included
the
metal
work,
the
mainstream
and
other
exterior
elements
of
the
building.
S
The
owner
did
not
appeal
this
order
and
the
order,
but
the
order
has
not
been
complied
with
to
date.
The
matter
is
before
the
the
matter
of
non-compliance
is
remains
before
the
courts
in
2019,
the
owner
submitted
engineering
and
masonry
expertise
reports
suggesting
that
the
building
was
unsafe
and
required
demolition.
S
In
2021
we
late
2021,
we
had
another
report
from
the
same
engineer
indicating
that
the
building
was
at
risk
of
collapse
and
should
be
demolished.
S
S
So
this
brings
us
to
today.
The
building
has
continued
to
deteriorate
over
time.
There
has
been
little
to
no
action
on
the
part
of
the
property
owner.
The
outstanding
property
standards
and
building
code
orders
have
not
yet
been
addressed,
as
I
mentioned
in
may.
2022
city
council
passed
a
motion
related
to
this
building,
which
endorsed
city
staff
in
escalating
enforcement,
action
for
both
the
property
standards
and
building
code
orders.
This
will
involve
the
chief
building
official,
the
director
of
biola
services
and
staff
within
legal
and
the
planning
department
as
well
next
slide.
Please.
S
The
work
required
on
the
building
is
extensive,
so
in
order
to
get
a
good
idea
in
preparation
for
undertaking
this
escalation
of
enforcement,
the
city
hired
robertson,
martin,
architects
in
the
fall
of
2021
to
provide
a
condition,
assessment
and
conservation
guidelines
for
how
to
proceed
with
the
work.
The
report
provides
a
high
level
scope
and
cost
estimate
for
the
city
to
undertake
the
works
identified
in
the
in
both
the
building
code
act
and
the
property
standards
orders.
S
It
breaks
the
work
down
by
element,
so
masonry
windows,
decorative
elements,
the
foundation
etc
and
by
the
level
of
urgency,
so
it
divides
them
into
urgent,
short-term
and
long-term
repairs.
The
urgent
repairs
are
indicated
to
be
complete
before
winter
of
2021.
These
are
the
very
critical
things
like
the
foundation
stability.
The
short-term
repairs
are
to
be
complete
by
the
end
of
2023
and
then
long-term
repairs
are
to
be
completed
at
a
later
date
or
at
the
time
of
adaptive,
reuse
of
this
building.
S
So
the
the
work
that
is
currently
going
to
be
undertaken
by
the
city
or
the
initially
we
are
working
with
the
owner.
Of
course,
we
are
in
an
ongoing
dialogue
with
the
owner
to
have
this
work
completed
by
the
property
owner.
S
This
work
is
the
primary
work
that's
identified
in
the
december
2021
building
code
orders
and
the
required
work
includes
an
assessment
of
the
lateral
stability
of
the
building
and
the
stabilization
plan
prepared
by
an
engineer,
and
it
refers
both
to
the
2019
and
2021
peer
review
reports
that
were
completed
by
the
city
and
then
after
assessment
is
complete
implementation
of
the
required
temporary
repairs
to
ensure
that
the
building
remains
stable.
S
S
There
are
also
several
urgent
works
identified
for
the
exterior
of
the
building,
and
these
are
primarily
covered
in
the
property
standards
order,
the
from
2018
and
they
are
divided
up
by
exterior
masonry,
decorative
elements
and
windows
and
doors
and
the
roof.
So
all
the
exposed
masonry
ends
like
you
see
in
the
third
picture,
or
I
guess
the
second
picture
from
the
right-hand
side
of
your
screen
need
to
be
capped,
whether
tight
enclosures
at
the
roof
and
the
east
end
of
the
building.
S
Again
in
that
second
picture
from
the
right,
you
can
see
that
the
back
of
the
building
is
exposed
with
just
tyvek
and
some
tarping
and
and
various
insufficient
enclosure
for
the
weather,
stabilization
of
all
loose
and
detached
metal
elements.
So,
as
you
can
see,
there
are
areas
where
metal,
metal,
decorative
work
is
missing
or
sort
of
hanging
off
the
building
that
needs
to
be
stabilized
or
temporarily
removed
until
such
a
time
that
it
can
be
repaired
and
then
capping
the
remnant
of
the
turret.
S
So,
as
you
can
see
in
the
second
picture
from
the
left,
a
portion
of
the
turret
is
missing,
of
course,
but
the
remainder
is
not
weather
tight
at
this
point
in
time,
then,
there's
other
work,
including
installing
caps
on
the
cornices,
ensuring
that
the
all
the
joints
are
watertight
and
reviewing
the
interior
structure
at
the
bay
windows
to
ensure
that
they're
structurally
sound.
All
of
this
urgent
work,
that's
been
identified
is
really
stabilization.
S
Type
work
to
prevent
further
deterioration
of
the
building
the
interior
work
is
to
ensure
safety
and
stability
of
the
building,
and
then
the
exterior
work
is
to
preserve
what
we
currently
have
remaining
and
stabilize
it
until
such
a
time
that
the
building
can
be
adapted
freely.
S
Reused
next
slide,
please
so,
as
it's
outlined
in
the
report
that
staff
sent
a
letter
to
the
property
owner
in
may
after
the
council
motion
that
endorsed
the
escalation
of
enforcement
action
and
the
dates
that
were
outlined
in
that
report
were
considered
to
be
milestones
or
deadlines
for
the
owner
to
meet.
As
we
move
towards
the
city
beginning
to
undertake
the
urgent
works
in
the
fall.
S
The
first
two
deadlines,
which
were
june
6th
and
june
16th,
have
both
been
missed.
However,
I
would
note
that
we
have.
We
did
meet
on
site
with
that
with
the
property
owner
and
his
team
twice
last
week
to
over
to
go
over
some
of
these
issues
and
and
again
encourage
him
to
move
towards
compliance.
It's
not
the
city's
goal
to
undertake
this
work.
We
we
want
the
owner
to
undertake
this
work,
but
we
are
mobilizing
in
case.
We
have
to
undertake
it
ourselves.
S
So
the
next
deadline,
which
is
in
which
is
later
this
week,
is
to
submit
a
heritage
and
a
planning
application
for
proposed
development
on
the
site.
Staff
have
been
in
ongoing
conversations
over
the
past
several
years
with
the
applicant
or
with
the
owner.
I
should
say
on
a
proposed
development,
and
we
have
committed
that
should
a
development
application
be
submitted,
staff
will
do
our
best
to
move
it
forward
in
an
expeditious
manner,
given
the
condition
of
the
building
july.
S
S
A
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair
december
of
2007
heritage
ottawa,
wrote
to
mayor
o'brien
and
members
of
council
about
the
need
for
the
city
to
have
quote
an
efficient
and
timely
emergency
protocol
to
permit
the
direct
intervention
by
the
city
in
the
preservation
of
heritage
buildings
at
risk.
Unquote,
this
would
be
done
in
order
to
respond
to
what
became
what
has
become
known
as
heritage
demolition,
by
neglect.
F
Any
costs
incurred
by
the
city
and
such
intervention
would
be
applied
to
the
municipal
tax
rolls
for
the
property
over
the
years.
The
city
has
made
progress
in
establishing
better
lines
of
communication
on
how
to
deal
with
such
properties
by
better
coordinating
and
the
consistent
application
of
regulations
involving
heritage
planning
staff,
the
chief
building,
official
and
building
services,
branch
and
bylaw
and
property
standards
officials.
F
F
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
submission
for
your
deputation.
I
don't
see
any
hands
raised,
so
thank
you
so
much
and
does
the
committee
now
have
questions
for
staff.
A
And
I
see
that
counselor
gower
raised
his
hand
first.
B
I
know
councillor
mckenny
had
their
hand
up
before
counselor.
Do
you
want
to
I'm
quick?
So
I
wanted
some
clarity
from
staff
on
what
we
can
charge
back.
I
know
the
actual
work
itself
we
can.
We
can
reclaim
through
taxes,
but
something
like
the
robertson
mark,
martin
architects
assessment
report.
S
Thank
you
counselor.
I
think
I'll
refer
this
question
to
stuart
huxley
from
legal.
R
Good
morning
chair
afternoon,
thank
you
for
the
question.
The
the
legislation
provides
that
the
municipality
should
have
a
lien
on
the
land,
for
the
amount
spent
on
the
repair
or
demolition
under
the
building
code
act,
and
certainly
would
be
the
city's
position
that
the
engineering
and
other
consulting
advice
that
would
be
furthering
that
repair
and
other
work
would
form
part
of.
T
B
Amount,
well
that's
good
to
hear
I
just
shudder
to
think
at
the
number
of
hours
of
staff,
time,
heritage
planning,
bylaw
building
code,
it's
added
up
and
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
that
is
probably
impossible
to
recoup,
but
over
15
years,
the
amount
of
time
and
resources
devoted
to
getting
this
building
rehabilitated.
As
incredible.
Thank
you
for
clarifying
that.
Thank
you,
chair.
G
Thank
you
chair.
I
will
go
on
about
how
egregious
this
file
is.
I
think
I
have
on
many
many
occasions
over
the
last
eight
years,
but
I
do
have
some
specific
questions
on
on
june
6.
You
noted
that
that
was
the
deadline
for
this
building
owner
to
submit
a
scope
of
work
timeline
for
for
review,
and
you
noted
that
it
it
passed
without
having
that
submission.
G
S
There
was
not
an
acknowledgement
of
the
letter.
That
being
said,
staff
did
write
to
the
owner
again
once
that
deadline
had
passed
and
reminded
him
that
the
deadline
had
passed
and,
as
I
said,
we
had
a
couple
of
meetings
on
site
last
week
which
were
not
necessarily
prompted
by
the
letter
but
related
to
the
work.
That's
required.
G
S
Well,
as
I
said,
we
met
with
him
on
site
twice
last
week.
One
of
those
times
would
have
been
probably
on
the
16th.
Actually,
so
I
wouldn't
say
he
reached
out
in
relation
to
the
letter,
but
we
have
had
meetings
with
him
on
site
recently,
so
the
deadline
passed
and
staff
will
advise
him
again
that
another
deadline
has
passed.
That
is
that
is
the
plan
going
forward.
Is
that
each
of
these
deadlines
that
passes?
We
will
remind
him
again.
G
And
when
you
met
on
site
was
that
the
owner
asking
staff
to
come
onto
site,
because
he
has
plans
that
he
has,
he
made
any
overture
in
any
way
to
suggest
that
he's
going
to
act
on
any
of
the
actions
that
we've
set
out
or
did
I
guess
my
my
question
really
is
simple
like
what
initiated
the
visit
it
you
know
did.
Is
I
understand
that
you
were
there,
but
were
you
there
because
he
asked
you
to
be
there
because
he
wants
to
work
in
good
faith.
S
Thank
you
counselor.
Yes,
the
the
owner
did
reach
out
to
us
to.
Let
us
know
that
some
work
was
being
undertaken
and
so
steph
and
offered
for
us
to
come
to
the
site
to
see
what
was
going
on.
So
that's
why
staff
attended
the
site
the
first
time
and
then
our
second
meeting
on
site
was
to
talk
about
sort
of
more
concrete
action
in
terms
of
what
it
is
that
he
plans
to
do
to
comply
with
the
orders.
G
S
It's
it's
hard
to
say
at
this
point.
You
know
we,
as
I
said
the
city
doesn't
want
to
undertake
this
work.
We
want
him
to
do
it,
so
we
are
really
trying
to
get
him
to
do
it.
G
G
G
I
appreciate
today's
update
share
your
frustration,
certainly,
but
I
have
absolutely
little
to
no
faith
that
the
june
23rd,
the
july
30th
or
the
mid-september
deadlines
are
going
to
be
met
with
any
concrete
action
that
will
move
us
forward,
and
I
just
want
it
on
record
today
that
that
I
am
certainly
not
in
any
way
supportive
of
extending
a
deadline
because
he's
three
quarters
of
the
way
there
or
he
started
to
work
on
something.
G
This
is
an
owner
that
wants
somerset
house
to
be
demolished
by
neglect.
It
is
the
most
egregious
example
of
this
that
we
have
he,
you
know
kind
of
pulls
us
around
if
you
will
has
been
since
2007,
and
you
know
unless
he
is
meeting
to
the
letter,
every
requirement
put
in
front
of
him
after
years
after
years
of
us
trying
to
work
with
him,
I
just
like
to
have
it
on
record
that
I
I
would
not
be
in
favor
of
providing
any
extension
at
the
point
where
we're
supposed
to.
G
G
So
much
could
be
done
at
this
property
I've.
I've
visited
similar
properties
in
vancouver
where
they've
been
turned
into
social
enterprises.
Libraries,
housing,
there's
just
so
much
that
can
be
done
on
on
this
property
and-
and
we
have
to
at
some
point,
take
action,
and
actually
you
know
bring
this
house
into
into
the
you
know
up
to
repair.
G
Take
it
if
we
need
to
and
and
develop
it
ourselves,
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
I
know
that
staff
work
hard
on
this
one,
and
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
that
this
is
not
in
any
way
criticism
of
the
the
work
that
you've
you've
done.
But
it's
it's
just
it's
just
such
a
frustration.
G
A
Thank
you
and
I
see
that
counselor
brockington
has
raised
his
hand.
O
O
I've
in
the
past
raised
concerns
about
the
stability
of
the
existing
building
and
the
safety
of
passers-by
pedestrians,
cyclists
people
who
are
in
close
proximity
on
both
sides
of
that
building
can
staff
confirm
that
it
is
safe
and
continues
to
be
safe
for
people
who
walk
by
in
that
immediate
vicinity.
S
Thank
you,
counselor.
I'm
actually
going
to
ask
that
you've
built
an
official,
mr
rock,
to
answer
this
one.
B
Thank
you
and
chair.
Yes,
we
continue
to
receive
monitoring
reports
since
approximately
2016,
the
the
most
recent
building
permit.
The
city
has
been
receiving
monitoring
reports
monthly,
although
they
have
fallen
off
from
time
to
time
and
we've
had
to
reorder
that
they'd
be
continue
to
be
produced.
B
We
still
do
receive
monthly
monitoring.
Reports
are
attesting
to
the
stability
of
the
building,
as
it
sits.
Of
course,
there's
been.
You
know
a
couple
of
instances
that
have
been
cited
here
where
the
the
owner's
engineer
has
said
all
of
a
sudden
stability
is
is
an
issue.
We've
had
peer
reviews
come
in
as
as
the
report
has
spoken
to,
and
then
our
peer
review
has
of
course
said
that
you
know.
B
While
there
are
some
concerns,
the
building
is
still
generally
stable,
so
those
monthly
monitoring
reports
do
continue
to
come
in
attesting
to
the
stability
of
the
building
as
it
sets,
although
obviously
not
ideal
for
reuse
in
its
current
state,
it
will
require
you
know
significant
upgrading
likely
to
you
know
to
continue
to
use
the
building
in
an
occupied
state.
O
Thank
you
and
can
staff
just
again
in
summary,
form
indicate
what
costs
incurred
to
date
can
be
billed
back.
Sorry,
I'm
gonna
cost
can
be
billed
back
to
the
property
owner
and
what
costs
incurred
cannot
be.
B
They
articulated
a
number
of
unsafe
conditions,
the
foundation
repair
work,
the
the
lateral
stability
of
the
building,
the
weatherproofing
of
the
building
etc,
because
those,
in
fact
the
fencing
of
the
building,
if
that
goes
down,
so
any
items
that
have
been
identified
as
unsafe
conditions.
In
those
orders,
the
city
has
the
ability
to
to
undertake
whatever
measures
are
necessary
to
alleviate
those
unsafe
conditions
and
to
render
the
sites
safe
and
any
of
those
measures
can
then
be
charged
back
to
the
owner
through
the
property
taxes.
O
My
final
question
is
this:
what
would
have
to
happen
for
the
city
of
ottawa
to
expropriate
this
property
like?
Have
we
not
lived
through
everything
so
far
other
than
the
building
falling
down
on
people?
What
has
to
happen
before
the
city
says
all
right?
It's
time
for
us
to
step
in
and
we're
going
to
take
over
and
we're
going
to
fix
what
needs
to
be
fixed
and
take
this
action.
R
Chair
there's
two
aspects
to
the
counselor's
question.
One
would
be
what
steps
would
be
taken
for
the
municipality
to
step
in
and
take
work,
and,
as
the
report
has
outlined
and
as
ms
collins
has
set
out,
that
process
is
now
unfolding
under
the
building
code
act
based
on
the
various
orders
that
the
chief
billing
official
has
issued
and
the
property
standards
officer
is
issued
that
work
can
and
if
it's
not,
you
know,
achieved
through
the
property
owner,
the
municipality
has
a
plan
and
a
timetable
that
miss
collins
took
you
through.
R
The
question
about
appropriations
is
a
different
question
relating
to
whether
council
sees
a
municipal
purpose,
for
you
know,
engaging
the
expropriations
act,
which
is
a
different.
C
C
R
A
A
I
don't
see
any
other
hands
raised,
but
I
would
just
briefly
say
I
share
the
displeasure
I
think
of
all
members
of
this
subcommittee,
and
you
know
I
understand
the
ongoing
pain
of
the
horde
counselor
and
I
I
fully
believe
as
well
that
this
is
the
most
egregious
example
of
demolition
by
neglect.
A
A
In
december,
the
chief
building
official
issued
orders
requiring
additional
studies
and
immediate
stabilization
measures.
I'm
pleased
that
the
city,
through
the
chief
building
official,
has
the
authority
to
undertake
work
on
the
outstanding
building
code
and
property
standards,
orders
and
recover
the
costs
from
the
owner
through
the
tax
roll.
A
A
I
think
what
we
need
to
send
a
continuous,
strong
message
that
demolition
by
neglect
will
not
be
tolerated
in
the
city,
and
I
think
I
I
thank
my
colleagues
for
asking
some
probing
questions
on
other
tools,
policy
tools
and
mechanisms
that
might
be
at
the
disposal
of
this
subcommittee
and
council
to
to
really
encourage
faster
action,
because
I
don't
think
you
know
residents
want
to
see
this
building
that
once
was
a
jewel
continue
to
to
to
simply
deteriorate
before
their
eyes.
So
I
commiserate
with
counselor
mckinney.
A
I
share
all
the
concerns
of
of
this
subcommittee
and
I
really
thank
city
staff
for
their
their
continued
oversight
over
this
file
and
this
property
is
the
report
received.
T
A
You
and
I
believe,
through
the
consent
agenda,
we
approved
a
number
of
items,
so
I
am
just
moving
down
to
the
last
series
of
items
that
we
have,
but
just
for
clarity
on
the
application
to
alter
nicholas
street
and
so
that
eric
doesn't
slap
my
wrist
here.
I
just
want
to
ensure
that
we
dealt
with
the
emotion
that
was
brought
by
councillor
fleury,
but
I
do
want
to
just
ensure
for
the
record
that
we
approve.
A
Obviously
that
motion
as
well,
so
is
that
motion
approved
or
that
report
approved.
A
And
so
I
believe
we
did
approve
as
well
the
increase
in
motions
for
the
period.
There
are
no
in-camera
items.
There
are
no
notices
of
motion.
There
are
no
inquiries
under
other
business.
There
are
two
planning
circulations
on
the
agenda
which
were
distributed
to
members
prior
to
this
meeting.
Members
of
the
public
have
the
opportunity
to
comment
through
devops
on
ottawa.ca
and
those
items.
A
The
circulation
is
a
zoning
by-law
amendment
and
site
plan
control
for
109
through
115,
dalhousie
street
and
ontario
heritage
act.
Application
will
be
considered
at
a
later
date
and
we
also
have
an
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
359
kent
street
and
436
and
444
mclaren
street,
as
part
of
the
council,
approved
a
public
consultation
strategy
for
this
development.
The
application
is
being
brought
to
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
for
two
pre-consultations
in
advance
of
the
formal
heritage
application.
A
The
first
planning
circulation
is
listed
on
today's
agenda
and
I've
asked
staff
to
provide
a
presentation
as
part
of
the
first
pre-consultation
following
the
presentation,
members
will
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
and
provide
feedback
in
relation
to
this.
First
technical
circulation
and
consultation.
Can
staff
please
provide
an
overview
of
this
report.
H
Thank
you,
chair
king.
That
was
very
helpful
introduction
and
you
you
actually
touched
on
on
the
main
brief
introduction
that
I
was
going
to
provide.
So
as
the
chair
mentioned,
the
presentation
is
associated
with
the
planning
circulation
for
the
official
plan
and
zoning
vial
amendment
for
359
ken
street
and
436
424
mclaren
street.
H
H
This
is
just
the
heritage
context.
You
can
see
it's
located
in
the
centertown
hcd.
The
two
residential
buildings
on
the
left
side
of
the
street
screen
are
on
mclaren
street
and
the
office
building.
On
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
screen
is
a
six
six-story
office
tower
that
was
constructed
in
1956
as
the
headquarters
for
the
royal
canadian
legion
next
slide.
H
So
the
current
proposal
is
for
a
34-story
tower
with
a
six-story
podium.
The
original
concept
is
to
demolish
the
property
at
359
ken
street
and
retain
the
two
buildings
along
mclaren.
H
That
proposal
is
evolving
and
the
architect
is
here
to
speak
to
that
today,
next
slide,
so
the
policy
direction
for
landmark
buildings
comes
from
the
central
and
east
downtown
core
secondary
plan.
The
city
may
permit
landmark
buildings
that
exceed
the
maximum
height
limits
in
specific
locations
and
under
specific,
under
special
conditions,
to
a
height
of
up
to
27
stories.
H
Some
of
the
criteria
that
a
landmark
building
needs
to
be
is
both
site-specific
or
related
to
the
architecture
and
design.
So
I
put
some
examples
up
on
screen.
You
can
see
there,
for
example,
it
needs
to
be
a
large
corner
lot
with
frontage
on
three
streets.
H
It
can't
be
a
local
neighborhood
or
corridor
designation
and
some
of
the
design
criteria
that
it
would
have
to
be
includes
providing
a
significant,
publicly
accessible
and
publicly
owned
park
and
or
significant
public
institutional
use,
not
requiring
the
demolition
of
a
designated
heritage,
building
and
being
subject
to
an
architectural
design,
competition
and
or
be
subject
to
the
city's
specialized
urban
design
review
process
next
slide,
also
as
part
of
a
landmark
building
proposal.
There's
a
formal
review
and
public
consultation
program
that
needs
to
be
adopted
by
council,
and
that
has
happened
in
this
case.
H
So
as
it
relates
to
bhsc.
The
consultation
program
for
this
application
includes
the
pre-consultation
with
bhse,
which
is
here
today.
Then
it
will
be
back
into
committee
for
the
second
submission
and
finally,
back
again
to
the
committee
for
an
application
under
the
ontario
heritage
act
for
a
heritage
permit
next
slide
so
heritage
staff
have
been
working
with
our
colleagues
in
development
review
urban
design,
as
well
as
the
applicant
team,
and
we
have
provided
comments
that
focus
on
the
retention
and
or
incorporation
of
the
building
at
359
kent
street.
H
The
former
legion
headquarters,
integration
of
the
new
building
with
the
historic
buildings
on
mclaren
street,
the
overall
tower
design
and
site
layout,
and
the
importance
of
sensitive
transition
to
the
surrounding
neighborhood
and
hcd.
H
So
that's
just
a
brief
background
information
policy
framework,
as
the
chair
mentioned,
the
role
of
the
committee
today
is
to
review
the
planning
circulation,
listen
to
the
applicant
team
and
ask
any
questions
that
you
have.
If
you
have
comments
or
questions,
you
can
send
them
to
the
to
myself.
The
committee
coordinator
and
I
will
share
them
with
the
development
review.
Planner
who's
the
file
lead,
and
I
will
now
pass
it
over
to
the
applicant
team.
I
believe
we're
starting
with
derek
howe
from
tiger
realty
management.
Thank
you.
K
K
So
chair
vice
chair
members
and
members
at
large,
thank
you
very
much
for
having
us
here
today.
On
march
23
2022,
we
had
a
city
of
ottawa
council
approved
motion
for
a
public
engagement
strategy,
and
this
meeting
today
is
one
of
our
first
and
many
stakeholder
engagements.
The
purpose
of
today's
meeting
is
likely
to
give
the
committee
a
brief
overview
and
a
heads
up
of
the
application
that's
coming
down.
K
It
is
actually
part
of
our
public
engagement
strategy,
which
is
why
we're
here
today.
So
I
do.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I
am
aware
that
we
only
have
a
few
minutes
to
speak,
so
I
want
to
be
sensitive
at
the
time.
You
know
one
of
our
primary
focuses
for
this
project.
We
recognize
that
it
is
a
landmark
project.
K
We
have
spent
considerable
time
first,
consulting
with
the
counselor's
office.
We've
made
them
aware
of
the
process
and
from
there
we
have
met
with
representatives
of
the
centertown
community
association
heritage,
ottawa
members
of
the
heritage
committee
of
the
centertown
community
association,
and
we
have
a
series
of
additional
meetings.
Furthermore,
we've
had
a
number
of
working
sessions,
including
one
tomorrow
afternoon,
with
city
of
ottawa
staff
to
go
over
the
heritage
aspects
of
359
kent.
K
So
I
think
my
overwhelming
message
I
would
like
to
get
across
for
this
committee
today
is
that
we
are
spending
a
considerable
amount
of
time
listening
and
we
were
actually
criticized
at
our
previous
community
meeting
for
not
having
advanced
the
concept
far
enough
and
our
response
to
that
was.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
didn't
proceed
too
far
to
make
sure
that
it
wasn't
perceived,
that
we
were
coming
in
with
something
that's
fully
baked.
K
So
engagement
and
collaboration
is
something
we're
taking
very
serious,
and
I
would
like
to
turn
it
over
to
our
architectural
representative
of
hoban
architecture,
mr
patrick
biesel,
who
will
speak
a
few
minutes
about
some
of
the
discussion
about
359
camp.
I
wish
one
more
comment
is
that
the
heritage
homes
on
mclaren
we
are
maintaining,
as
is,
and
possibly
doing,
some
very
modest
upgrades
to
simply
improve
the
condition
of
these
homes,
so
the
predominant
focus
of
the
heritage
aspects
of
this
subcommittee,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
is
around
the
359
ken
heritage.
T
Great,
thank
you
derek
gazette.
Can
everybody
hear
me
all
right?
That's
perfect!
Okay.
I
will
share
my
screen
here
with
you.
A
I
think
usually
it
goes
through
the
coordinator,
so
I
don't
know
if
eric
has
your
your
presentation.
B
Chair
we
can
share,
we
can
try
to
to
promote
the
speaker.
It
may
allow
him
to
share
the
screen
screen
that
he's
co-hosted.
K
B
We'll
just
need
to
I'm
just
reaching
out
to
the
team
here.
The
person
who
can
promote
could
have
an
indulgent
indulgence.
Please
chair.
B
T
I
think,
while,
while
we're
doing
this,
I
just
wanted
to
perhaps
highlight
a
little
bit
of
the
direction
of
the
conversation
today.
Obviously,
we've
submitted
our
proposal
as
part
of
the
rezoning
application,
but
I
think
I
think
today's
conversation
should
sort
of
focus
on
obviously
the
more
the
hair
that
heritage
aspects
of
our
site.
So
perhaps
a
bit
less
about
the
architecture
I
mean
we
can
certainly
discuss
it,
but
really
primarily,
I
think
the
importance
of
the
the
heritage
elements
on
our
site
would
be
the
focus
of
the
discussion.
B
Today,
chair,
the
speakers
should
be
able
to
screenshot
at
this
point.
T
We
all
see
this
fantastic
yeah,
okay,
so
as
part
of
our
submission
for
the
rezoning
of
359
kent
street,
you
know
there's
several
important
aspects
of
the
site.
Obviously
one
of
them
is
the
landmark
policy
that
that
applies
to
the
site,
but
also
it's
it's
important
heritage
aspects
that
are
tied
to
the
site.
T
So
just
quickly
site
context.
As
you
all
know,
the
site
is
located
at
the
heart
of
centertown,
just
in
terms
of
brief
history,
the
site
in
the
early
1900s,
primarily
low
low
rise
residential
homes
and
towards
the
mid-1950s.
T
The
site
started,
seeing
some
some
new
growth,
some
new
transformation,
probably
primarily
due
to
the
arrival
of
the
queensway
that
was
starting
to
be
built
and
between
then,
and
I
guess,
1976
more
buildings
of
different
varieties
started
to
populate
the
neighborhood.
Interestingly
enough,
if
you
look
at
kent
street,
the
growth
mainly
happened.
If
you
look
at
at
the
map
today,
west,
a
certain
east
of
kent
street
and
everything
west
of
kent
street
to
a
certain
extent,
fairly
remained
fairly
low
in
terms
of
its
density.
T
T
So
just
quickly.
The
two
houses
on
mclaren,
which
are
heritage
or
of
interest
and
then
the
existing
office,
building
at
the
corner
of
kent
street
and
gilmore.
T
As
you
can
see,
there
is
a
variety
of
different
typologies
to
the
east
of
us,
ranging
from
22
story
building
on
at
415,
mclaren,
415
and
420
gilmore
are,
in
the
range
of
eight
to
eight
to
nine
stories
and
a
bit
further
down
to
run
on
ken
street.
We
have
12
to
16
story
buildings
as
well,
and
again
everything
west
of
our
site
remains
generally
low
in
intensity.
T
T
Second,
we
looked
at
the
important
civic
use,
so
obviously
the
site
has
some
historical
significance,
given
its
original,
the
original
use
of
the
office
building
at
kent
and
gilmore
being
the
legion
house,
along
with
the
historical
houses
along
along
mclaren
and
then
three
extraordinary
site
designs.
So
we
looked
at
at
how
to
how
best
to
integrate
the
existing
homes
on
mclaren,
along
with
our
proposal.
T
So
in
terms
of
of
studying
the
site
and
looking
at
the
mass,
we
looked
at
a
variety
of
different
massing
options,
but
ultimately
landed
on
option.
Four
which,
which
looked
at
you
know,
positioning
the
high-rise
mass
towards
the
corner
of
kent
and
gilmore,
and
stepping
the
building
down
towards
a
lower
story
form
along
gilmore
as
a
transition
towards
the
low
rise
houses
to
the
east.
T
So
basically
separating
out
the
various
building
parts.
Obviously
one
being
the
tower
component,
obviously
visible
in
the
skyline
to
the
retentions
of
the
two
existing
homes
on
mclaren
and
three,
the
contextual
mass
transition
towards
the
east
and
the
concept
of
a
corner
open
plaza
at
the
corner
of
kent
and
gilmore.
So
just
quickly,
some
diagrams
showing
how
that
podium
relates
to
some
of
the
surrounding
contexts
in
built
form.
T
So
in
terms
of
shaping
identity,
obviously
the
legion
house
played
an
important
role
in
in
how
we
were
treating
the
corner.
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
when
we
developed
the
first
scheme,
the
retention
of
the
legion
house
wasn't
part
of
the
context
we
it
was
established
that
that
that
building
wasn't
to
be
retained,
so
we
it
wasn't
part
of
original
context.
T
However,
that
premise
has
changed
and
that's
what
we're
here
to
discuss
today,
but
essentially,
while
developing
the
first
scheme,
we
did
want
to
retain
its
its
at
least
its
memory
and
and
how
to
emphasize
that
onto
the
site.
Design
was
part
of
our
part
of
our
analysis,
so
obviously
kent
street,
during
its
evolution,
changed
from
a
two-way
street
that
was
highly
affected
by
the
arrival
of
the
queen's
way
and
then
once
the
queen's
way
arrived.
T
T
So
and
basically,
once
that
intensification
came
in
at
least
along
kent
street,
there
hasn't
been
many
examples
of
of
of
new
high-rise
developments
or
at
least
a
lease
of
intensification
in
in
recent
years.
T
T
So
essentially,
the
legion
house
started
as
a
three-story
building
was
added
on
in
after
his
construction.
Obviously
to
add
the
additional
three
stories.
T
And
ironically,
the
the
legion
house,
from
its
original
location,
moved
to
a
smaller
location,
just
down
the
street
to
to
this
location
here,
which
is
351
ken
street.
T
So
I
think
conceptually,
I
think,
either
keeping
the
building
or
at
least
keeping
its
memory
of
its
its
use
is
extremely
important
to
us
and
obviously
we're
exploring
various
ways
in
doing
that.
But
it
it's
one
of
the
critical
items
of
our
of
our
proposal,
so
just
in
terms
of
heritage,
how
it
heritage
informs
the
design
strategy.
I
think
incorporating
a
lot
of
the
ground
plane.
Public
space
ties
itself
into
retaining
those
two
existing
homes
on
mclaren
and,
obviously
the
corner
at
the
corner.
T
Commemorative
plaza,
as
originally
intended,
was
part
of
that.
That
scheme,
obviously
with
the
retention
of
the
existing
six-story
building,
as
is
that,
will
obviously
change
or
evolve,
as
as
we
decide
on
a
direction.
T
So
the
436
mclaren
is
essentially
a
a
a
novki
house
which
I
believe
was
owned
by
john
ogilvy
back
in
the
day,
and
then
you
know
it
was
a
design
house.
You
can
see
it's
distinctly
different
from
the
pattern
book
houses
just
to
the
east
of
it,
which
is
the
one
on
the
left
of
your
screen
here.
T
But
the
scheme
aims
to
tie
the
public
realm
part.
Sorry,
it
aims
to
to
link
the
public
realm
with
the
use
of
these
its
existing
heritage
homes
as
a
sort
of
an
added
feature.
It
was
the
intent
that
one
of
the
the
house
of
the
left
could
be
converted
into
a
educational
center
for
youth
in
the
neighborhood.
T
Here
we
see
just
notionally
ideas
of
how
we
can
integrate
the
ground
plane
and
the
public
plaza
in
the
public
space
of
the
development
as
part
of
the
sorry
as
part
of
the
development.
T
So,
in
terms
of
the
site,
obviously,
we
have
the
two
existing
homes
along
mclaren,
trying
to
knit
in
the
open
public
fabric
down
along
kent
street,
pushing
the
building
back
our
proposal
back
so
that
we
can
increase
the
public
realm
along
kent
street
to
reinvent
kent
street
as
a
public
and
pedestrian
pathway
tip
right
now,
the
the
existing
location
of
the
office
building
is
very,
very
tight
to
kent
street
and
offers
barely
any
any
relief,
so
the
pedestrian
experience
there
is
quite
quite
lacking.
T
So
that's
that's
one
challenge
that
is
important
to
note.
If,
if
we
retain
the
existing
building
in
its
current
location,
you
know
understanding
the
these
three
characteristics
that
exist
currently
and
how
our
building
intends
to
respond
to.
Those
is
something
that
we
looked
at
during
the
development
of
the
scheme.
T
And
again
here
we
see
trying
to
capture
that
sort
of
datum
line
the
low
rise
to
to
our
main
podium
element
that
reads
about
three
three
stories:
high
and
and
trying
to
promote
porosity
through
the
ground
plane
of
the
building,
as
it
connects
to
the
rear
of
the
property.
There's
a
courtyard
that
we
essentially
plan
for
the
rear
and
again
really
trying
to
understand
the
the
context
of
the
site
and
making
sure
that
the
podium
level
of
our
building
responds
to
some
of
the
local
masses
and
built
forms
that
exist.
T
As
I
was
saying,
the
retention
of
the
the
two
street
two
houses
on
mclaren,
where
we
intend
to
really
tie
in
that
that
social
fabric
and
use
those
houses
to
promote
that
I'll.
Just
keep
going
here,
because
I
don't
we're
tight
for
time.
So
in
terms
of
heritage
retention
strategies
for
the
existing
six-story
office
building
at
the
corner
gilmore,
I
think
we've
looked
at
four
four
or
five
different
options,
so
one
of
them
I'll
just
go
through
them
quickly
and
we
can
chat
about
them
afterwards.
T
But
one
of
them
looks
like
keeping
the
existing
three-story
language,
but
reinventing
that
ground
plane
into
a
usable
public
thoroughfare
that
people
can
walk
through
and
experience
along
gilmore
now,
obviously
retaining
the
architectural
language
along
the
two
facades
would
be
would
be
ideal.
Although
there
are
some
challenges
in
how
the
building
is
set
up
with
some
split
levels
occurring
as
you
as
you
enter
the
building,
but
I
think
we
can
we
can
adjust
those
fairly
easily.
T
The
second
and
second
version
of
this
was
essentially
a
very
similar
concept,
but
rather
than
walking
through
the
building
along
kent
street,
we
use
that
space
as
as
interior
space
for
the
building
as
an
entry
sequence
to
the
development.
T
And
then
the
fourth
option
is
essentially
the
same,
but
moving
the
building
back,
we'd
tear
it
down,
we'd
rebuild
it
as
is,
but
push
it
back
so
that
we
can
get
that
space
between
kent
street
and
the
building
to
go
and
promote
that
that
rich
public
environment
that
we
think
is
needed
along
along
kent
street
there
and
the
fifth
option
is
essentially
retaining
demolishing
it
retaining
a
lot
of
the
materiality
of
the
building
and
re
recompositing.
T
That
or
recomposing
that
I
should
say
as
part
of
the
ground
plane
experience
or
the
entry
sequence
experience
for
for
this
building
for
this
proposal.
So
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
For
now,
we
have
a
bunch
of
other
study
work
at
the
end
of
this,
but
I'll
open
up
the
floor
for
questioning
and.
C
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
the
pre-consultation
here
on
this
on
this
site.
This
is
a
question
for
heritage
staff
and
it
has
to
do
with
the
heritage
evaluation
of
359
kent
as
a
property
that
either
meets
or
doesn't
meet
the
regulation.
C
C
Could
staff
comment
on
the
work
that
has
been
done
to
assess
the
heritage,
character,
defining
elements
of
the
1956
building
and
could
that
be
made
available
to
the
committee
and,
more
broadly,
obviously,
we
all
appreciate
the
options
that
are
being
looked
at
by
the
architects
to
incorporate
some
portion
of
the
building,
but
I
think
it
would
be
important
to
understand
whether
or
not
there's
been
an
assessment
of
the
building
from
a
heritage
perspective
and.
H
Yes,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Remember
podolski.
We
do
have
some
information
we
can
share
and
maybe
I'll
send
it
to
eric
so
that
he
can
distribute
it
to
committee
members
for
their
information
in
terms
of
the
status
of
the
building
in
the
previous
heritage
conservation
district
plan
and
study.
This
was
a
non-contributing
building.
H
However,
in
the
new
plan
that
was
recommended
by
committee
for
approval
today,
it
is
considered
to
be
a
contributing
resource
and
heritage
staff
believe
that
it
does
have
cultural
heritage
value
and
we've
been
been
sharing
that
with
the
african.
So
we
have
put
together
some
information
and
we
also
have
reports
by
the
the
applicant
some
heritage
consultant
that
I
can
share
with
the
committee
as
well,
so
I'll
be
happy
to
circulate
that.
A
Thank
you
any
other
questions
from
the
committee.
I
don't
see
any
so
do
any
of
the
members
have
any
comment.
Specific
comments
on
this
item.
A
Seeing
no
hands
raised,
I
really
like
to
thank,
I
guess,
derek
patrick
kyle,
for
joining
us
and
for
providing
this
this
update
and
allowing
for
the
potential
for
discussion
on
this
planning
circulation.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
for
joining
us
this
afternoon.