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Joint Planning & BHSC Committees - 1 October 2021
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B
C
B
B
D
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
Yes,
the
meeting
went
well
and
thank
you
very
much,
counselors
and
chairs
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
talk
for
a
couple
of
minutes,
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
what
we've
constituted
as
the
dominion
observatory
preservation
committee,
I'm
an
amateur
astronomer.
This
committee
is
part
of
the
royal
astronomical
society
of
canada.
I
don't
know
if
you've
already
heard
from
any
of
my
colleagues,
but
the
big
question
is
the
adjacent
property
which
is
shown
as
the
dominion
observatory
complex
heritage
site.
D
I'm
not
going
to
comment
at
all
on
the
things
I
think
you've
heard
more
than
enough
about
about
the
sighting
and
all
sorts
of
other
factors.
I'm
mainly
concerned
about
the
ability
of
the
observatory
to
be
used
for
astronomy,
which
was
its
original
function
and,
in
particular,
the
sight
lines
from
the
dome
on
top
of
the
main
observatory
building.
D
We
have
had
previous
sessions
where
graham
byrd
and
associates
and
the
architect
did
promise
to
us
that
they
would
help
us
determine
whether
the
building
heights
would
impair
the
sight
lines
and
they
sounded
pretty
enthusiastic
when
we
were
on
one
of
these
zoom
calls,
but
we
still
have
never
heard
back
from
them.
We
have
done
some
initial
calculations
of
our
own,
brushing
off
our
high
school
trigonometry,
and
it
looks
like
at
the
building
heights
of
seven
stories
and
eleven
stores
for
the
two
buildings.
D
A
couple
other
quick
points.
I
guess
we
were
really
pleased
to
see
the
mitigation
strategies
that
are
in
that
are
mentioned,
for
example,
about
protecting
the
south
azimuth
building,
but
ballard's,
I
don't
think,
are
quite
enough.
I've
I've
been
up
there.
I
don't
think
you'd
have
to
cut
down
any
trees
if
you
moved
maple
drive
one
or
two
meters
to
the
west
and
that
would
provide
a
bigger
snow
bank
and
less
risk
of
an
emergency
vehicle
screaming
into
the
hospital
crashing
into
the
building.
D
Let
me
just
double
check
if
I
had
any
other
main
comments
here,
yeah
and
I
think
you've
already
heard
you
know,
the
the
telescope
is
mounted
on
a
pier
inside
the
observatory
building
and
that
beer
is
pure
is
mechanically
isolated.
So
if
you
haven't
already
heard
you'll
hear
from
some
of
my
colleagues
about
making
sure
the
vibration
doesn't
damage
any
of
that
stuff
and
as
long
as
along
with
all
the
blasting,
but
the
key
thing
just
to
emphasize,
and
hopefully
save
you
guys.
D
Some
time
is
to
say
that
the
site
plan
approval
should
include
specific
requirements
that
no
building
in
the
immediate
future
or
in
the
fullness
of
time,
impair
the
sight
lines
from
the
observatory
in
order
to
enable
public
outreach
and
public
astronomy
to
proceed
at
the
site,
and
hopefully
you'll
all
agree.
And
then
there
won't
be
any
questions.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
There
is
a
question,
but
yeah
we
did
just
before
the
break.
We
had
sharon
o'dell
here
and
I
know
councilman
already
engaged
with
her
and
also
committed
to
trying
to
follow
up
on
some
of
that
stuff.
I've
sort
of
sent
a
message
to
to
council
member
to
offer
any
assistance
in
that
in
that
front
as
well
to
make
sure
that
we
connect
those
pieces,
councilor
mckinney.
E
Yes,
thank
you
chair
thanks,
mr
wolfson,
for
for
joining
us
today.
I
was
gonna
mention
that,
but
the
chair
has
that
council,
menard
and
staff,
as
a
result
of
an
earlier
delegation,
a
delegate
working
on
how
we
can
ensure
that
in
the
site
plan
when
we're
coming
up
to
that
issue,
that
it's
that
the
dark
sky
guidelines
are
going
to
be
used,
etc.
I
just
want
to
go
back
quickly.
E
D
Well,
the
current
alignment
of
maple
drive
passes.
You
know,
I
think,
if
you
drove
right
on
the
curb,
you
would
be
less
than
a
meter
from
the
south
azimuth
building,
and
I
appreciate
the
idea
of
putting
up
some
obtrusive
boulders,
but
it
would
really
add
a
margin
of
safety
if
the
paved
part
of
maple
drive
was
moved
one
or
two
meters
to
the
west.
D
I'm
told
by
some
colleagues
that
you
know
the
construction
is
probably
going
to
chew
up
that
road
anyway,
so
that
it
would
need
to
be
repaved
so
the
marginal
cost
of
moving
it
is
probably
not
significant.
The
trees
on
the
west
side
of
maple
drive
are
five
or
six
meters
further
over.
So
by
moving
the
alignment
a
little
bit,
you
know
it
shouldn't,
hurt
anything
but
it'll
provide
that
extra
one
or
two
meters
of
buffer.
D
So
when
the
plows
come
by
in
the
winter
and
pile
up
the
snow,
the
snow
is
less
likely
to
be
right
against
the
heritage
building
there
and
the
salt
is
not
going
to
hopefully
penetrate
as
much
so
that
that
was
the
key
idea
by
the
way.
Given
that
you
mentioned
lighting,
I
I
hope
that
my
colleagues
have
also
reminded
you
how
important
it
is.
You
know
if
you're
going
to
look
out
of
a
telescope
at
night.
D
You
don't
want
a
bunch
of
lights,
blaring
up
into
the
objective
of
the
telescope
and
while
I'm
at
it
another
quick
thing
is
soft.
Surfacing
is
much
better
because
I'm
sure
in
the
summer,
when
you're
driving
on
the
road-
and
you
see
the
heat
and
the
ripples
rising-
that
atmospheric
turbulence
screws
up
any
at
astronomical.
Seeing
so
having
grass
on
top
of
parking
lots,
or
you
know
the
the
garage
or
grass
instead
of
asphalt
is
much
to
be
preferred.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you,
chair
moffat,
and
I
just
wanted
to
briefly
say
to
mr
wolfson
that
we
are
listening
pretty
diligently
here
and
staff.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
heritage
staff
did
point
out
that
addendums
to
the
cultural
heritage
impact
statement
may
be
required
as
each
site
plan
control
application
is
approved.
So
just
want
you
to
know
that
changes
are
possible
that
would
exceed
the
standards
that
have
been
outlined
in
the
in
the
statement.
B
G
I'm
also
the
medical
director
of
ottawa,
inner
city,
health
and
that
connection
to
the
community
is
a
very
important
one
for
me
so
and
what
I've
heard
so
far
today
is
there's
not
a
lot
of
debate
that
we
really
need
a
highly
sophisticated
new
tertiary
referral
hospital
and
our
100
year
old
facility
at
the
civic
must
be
replaced,
and
I
I
really
haven't
heard
a
significant
debate
about
that.
So
far
that
healthcare
has
changed.
Our
community
has
changed.
G
We
need
to
attract
the
brightest
and
the
best.
We
need
to
have
a
very
important
research
and
education
facility
that
will
provide
advanced
care
for
not
only
the
people
of
ottawa
but
for
the
region.
So
I
think
that
that
is
is
something
that
there's
great
consensus
about
and-
and
I
have
to
say
as
well,
that
my
colleagues
and
I
at
the
hospital
have
had
opportunity
to
have
input
into
what
type
of
resources
and
what
type
of
facility
would
be
needed
for
the
future
to
meet
those
evolving
needs
of
our
community.
G
So
I
think
that
aspect
of
things
is
a
very
encouraging.
I
think
this
site
model
etc
will
provide
the
necessary
services.
To
put
us
in
good
stead
for
the
future,
especially
recognizing
the
evolving
demands
that
we
have
and
in
response
to
counselors
elty's
question
as
to
whether
future
pandemics,
we
would
be
better
in
a
position
to
manage
them
in
the
future.
A
B
Thank
you,
dr
trimble,
yeah.
I
think
what
you
said
to
start
your
rights
I
mean
nobody's,
debating,
nobody's
opposing
the
need
for
a
hospital
here.
Not
a
single
person
has
suggested
that,
obviously,
there's
been
a
lot
of
comments
about
location,
but
ultimately
you
know
in
terms
of
what
our
purview
is.
I
think
some
of
the
you
know.
I
could
summarize
some
of
the
concerns
that
I've
heard
and
I
think
some
of
the
things
that
the
motions
touch
on
it's
it's
the
hospital's
impact
in
that
area.
B
It's
the
hospital's
footprint
you
know,
does
the
does
the
site
need
it's
moving
from
a
23-acre
site
to
a
50-acre
site?
Does
it
need
that
space?
How
is
it
utilizing
that
space
to
the
best
needs
of
the
hospital
in
the
overall
community,
the
traffic
impacts
in
the
area?
How
that
works,
how
the
site
integrates
into
the
space
that
it's
in
and
those
types
of
things?
I
think
that's
what
you're
hearing
from
when
comments
are
made
relevant
to
the
site
plan.
B
A
It's
more
of
just
a
quick
comment.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you,
dr
turnbull,
for
again
turning
the
the
discussion
to
the
purpose
of
the
site
and
the
use
of
the
site
and
and
bringing
your
many
years
of
professional
expertise
to
to
share
with
us
how
you
think
it
is
going
to
be
an
improvement
and
it
is
going
to
be
beneficial
to
the
whole
city
in
terms
of
of
the
way
the
the
the
the
new
facility
will
be
set
up.
A
A
B
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairs,
as
well
as
all
of
the
counselors
and
the
members
of
the
committee
and
I'm
following
the
esteemed
dr
turnbull.
So
it's
always
a
challenge,
so
I
I
want
to
say
I
certainly
actually
commend
all
of
you
and
appreciate
the
challenges,
because
there's
so
many
different
interests
in
this
development.
It's
quite
fascinating
to
listen
to
it
all,
but
I'm
here
I
believe,
on
a
slightly
different
perspective
or
a
slightly
different
perspective
on
this
topic.
H
So
my
name
is
dr
jamie
fuller
and
I'm
the
chief
of
staff
of
the
carlton
place
hospital
out
in
the
periphery,
I'm
also
a
small
town
community.
Doctor
I've
been
there
for
24
years.
I
don't
work
at
the
ottawa
hospital,
but
I
was
born
in
the
ottawa
civic.
My
three
children
were
born
in
the
ottawa
civic
and
I
trained
at
the
ottawa
civic.
It's
been
over
25
years
approximately
since
I've
pretty
much
set
foot
in
there,
and
I
thought
it
was
getting
old
back
then.
H
So.
The
ottawa
hospital
is
our
regional
center
of
excellence.
It's
a
world-class
tertiary
care
center
and
many
patient
services
are
exist
only
in
ottawa.
It's
also
an
essential
health
destination
for
so
many
people
who
live
miles
outside
of
ottawa.
So
I
hope
I'm
not
being
overly
dramatic
when
I
say
that
many
of
my
rural
patients
are
alive
today
because
of
the
tools,
the
treatments,
the
expertise
at
the
ottawa
hospital.
H
I
we
intubated
people
in
carlton
place
and
got
them
down
to
the
ventilators
in
ottawa
many
many
times
over
this
last
year
and
a
half
amongst
all
the
other
things
that
we've
done
so
I'm
personally
and
professionally
grateful
for
its
presence
in
our
area.
So
that
brings
me
to
the
challenge
for
those
of
or
my
challenge
and
also
for
those
of
us
who
are
in
the
outlying
areas.
H
Patients
and
families
who
live
in
the
deeper
ottawa
valley
have
no
public
transit
for
better
for
worse,
they
need
their
cars
to
get
to
the
ottawa
hospital
and
they
need
to
park
them,
and
this
is
a
reality.
They
can't
ride
a
bike
from
deep
lanark
and
most
of
my
patients
are
not
wealthy
people
sitting
on
docks
at
cottages.
Unfortunately,
it
can't,
I
can't
count
the
number
of
times
I've
been
told.
I
like
the
civic
doc,
but
please
don't
send
me
there.
H
So
my
hope
is
that
when
you
consider
the
civic
campus
design
you're
talking
about
today
that
you
carry
with
you
the
fact
that
the
ottawa
hospital
is
critical
to
the
entire
region,
not
by
choice
but
by
necessity-
and
I
guess
I'll
just
say
one
more
little
aside
just
from
what
I
heard
today,
both
from
dr
turnbull
as
as
well
as
the
very
powerful
comments
from
nico
fleming,
the
patient
from
the
ottawa
hospital,
who
said
he
was
talking
about
medical
infrastructure
and
we're
stagnating.
I
think
you
all
know
this.
H
We
are
also
dealing
with
moral
issues
and
and
so
as
we
get
caught
in
process,
please
keep
those
things
in
mind,
especially
for
those
of
you,
as
you
present
yourselves
to
the
some
of
these
medical
facilities.
Please
be
compassionate
to
the
nurses
and
the
doctors
and
the
staff
that
are
working
within
this
medical
infrastructure
that
we
can
do
something
about
right
now,
as
we
speak.
Okay,
so
thank
you.
B
A
Hi,
dr
fullerton,
not
really
a
question.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
that
perspective,
because
it's
one
that
I
hadn't
thought
of
yet,
and
I
think
it's
a
really
important
one,
certainly
that
I
wouldn't
say
the
solution
is,
you
know,
add
more
parking,
but
it's
it's
very
interesting
to
think
about.
You
know:
access
from
people
coming
in
from
the
region
and
sort
of
people's
unease
with
or
sort
of
preference
to
not
go
to
the
civic,
even.
H
H
H
B
Ashton's
a
great
community
by
the
way
there
you
go,
but
it's
true
when
you
look
at
this
I
mean
you
talk
about
no
borders.
I've
got
constituents
that,
from
in
ashton,
dwarhio
that
go
to
carlton
place.
I've
got
constituents
in
north
korea
that
go
to
kentfield
hospital.
I
know
osgood
residents
and
vernon
and
metcalf
go
to
the
winchester
hospital,
but
there
are
certain
things
which
they
can't
use:
those
hospitals
for
they
must
go
into
to
qch
or
the
general
or
chio
or
or
the
civic,
and
it's
I
think
it's
a
balancing
thing.
B
I
think
the
parking
is
a
balancing
thing.
It's
like,
I
think
we
want
people
in
the
in
the
core.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
people
have
easy
access
to
this
hospital
people
that
work
there,
that
people
are
going
there
for
appointments
to
get
there
by
transit
as
easy
as
possible.
Then
you're,
trying
to
balance
out
against
there
are
people
that
need
to
drive
there.
How
do
we
mitigate
that?
How
do
we
ensure
that
we
don't
have
a
situation
where
people
are
bleeding
into
the
community?
There's
not
enough
parking
or
people
are
circling
the
lot.
B
H
B
H
H
J
Good
afternoon
counselors
my
name
is
marion
crowe.
I
have
the
privilege
of
joining
you,
like
all
of
you,
from
the
unseated
and
unsurrendered
territory
of
the
algonquin
people.
I
am
the
very
first
indigenous
appointment
to
the
audible
hospital
board
of
governors,
and
I
want
to
share
with
you
that
is
not
cigarette
smoke.
I
am
smudging
right
now
and
imagine
doing
that
in
the
existing
site
of
where
we
are
at
the
civic
hospital
now
dream
with
me.
J
B
J
J
J
A
B
J
I
Thank
you
for
having
me
good
afternoon,
everyone.
My
name
is
jeanette
chang
and
I'm
a
registered
nurse
at
the
ottawa
hospital
civic
campus.
I
was
a
patient
at
the
ottawa
hospital
resulting
from
a
traumatic
car
accident
and
11
years
later
became
a
staff
nurse
at
the
hospital
that
saved
my
life,
the
ottawa
hospital.
I
It
is
crucial
for
people
in
our
region
to
have
access
to
world-class
care
because
we
never
know
when
we
or
a
loved
one
will
need
specialized
care.
I
was
fortunate
to
receive
world-class
compassionate
care
at
the
outdoor
hospital
and
now
provide
the
same
dedicated
care
as
a
registered
nurse.
So
in
2007,
on
the
night
of
august
18th
I
had
been
out
with
friends
a
group
of
fourth
year
it
students
from
carleton
university.
I
I
I
We
were
all
wearing
seat
belts,
but
I
only
had
a
lap
belt
for
production,
so
three
of
us
had
to
be
taken
to
the
hospital,
but
my
injuries
were
life-threatening,
so
I
had
to
be
airlifted
to
the
ottawa
hospital
because
that's
the
home
of
the
only
trauma
unit
in
eastern
ontario,
the
most
challenging
and
complex
cases
from
deep
river
to
hawkesbury
are
sent
there
and
mine
was
one
of
them.
So
I
had
an
operation
to
have
my
spleen
removed.
I
I
had
a
craniotomy
to
repair
my
fractured
skull
and
surgery
on
my
pelvis
to
piece
me
back
together.
Amongst
others,
I
was
critically
ill
and
had
an
upper
gastrointestinal
bleed,
but
dr
paglerello
came
to
my
bedside
and
held
my
hand
and
explained
to
the
medical
team
and
my
family.
The
next
steps
for
my
care.
I
I
had
to
learn
to
feed
myself
to
walk
and
talk
again,
so
compassionate
care
transforms
lives
and
because
of
the
care
I
received,
I
made
a
career
change
from
information
technology
to
health
care
in
the
general
surgery
unit.
So
my
unit
became
one
of
the
designated
dedicated
covin-19
units
during
the
pandemic.
For
over
a
year,
it
was
challenging
seeing
many
patients
suffering
from
cobra
19
and
the
hardship
they
endured
for
not
being
able
to
see
their
loved
ones.
I
I
In
march,
2020,
two
surgical
units
were
converted
into
the
designated
cobin
19
units
and
we
had
to
adapt
our
provision
of
care
with
regard
to
invest
infection,
prevention
and
control.
So
currently
many
beds
are
not
single
rooms
and
a
one
patient
one
bedroom.
One
bathroom
model
at
the
new
civic
campus
can
help
facilitate
better
infection
prevention,
control,
privacy
and
rest,
so
patients
have
different
personalities.
I
Some
patients
may
disturb
the
roommates
while
talking
on
the
phone.
Other
patients
may
not
be
as
comfortable
talking
about
their
body
parts
and
medical
conditions
with
healthcare
staff,
knowing
that
their
other
roommates
can
hear
them.
If
patients
have
poor
sleep,
they
can
be
disruptive
for
others
uncooperative
less
motivated
to
achieve
their
health
goals.
I
There
will
be
less
conflict
and
less
stress
if
each
patient
has
his
or
her
own
room.
Patients
can
have
better
sleep,
improve
mood,
greater
compliance
to
health
goals
and
may
spend
fewer
days
in
the
hospital
working
in
a
more
spacious
and
better
working
environment
will
increase
morale
and
lead
to
less
staff
turnover.
I
So
the
development
of
a
world-class
modern
facility
will
attract
healthcare
professionals,
researchers
and
students
from
around
the
world
around
the
world,
thereby
improving
the
patient,
family
and
staff
experience
in
terms
of
stat
I'll
close.
The
staff
experience,
knowing
that
I'm
part
of
an
amazing
team
who
works
hard
every
day
to
provide
care
for
the
patients
and
the
work
and
that
the
work
that
we
are
doing
is
making
a
difference
motivates
me
to
keep
pushing
towards
pushing
forward,
because
I
know
that
the
positive
change
that
I'm
seeing
is
not
just
for
myself
but
affects
many
others.
I
B
K
L
Hi,
I'm
casey
delaney
and
I'm
a
patient
of
the
ottawa
hospital
a
little
over
three
years
ago
I
was
the
victim
of
a
sea-doo
accident.
I
was
run
over
by
a
sea-doo
and
sustained
a
traumatic
brain
injury.
I
was
in
quebec
when
this
occurred,
so
I
was
first
brought
to
a
hospital
in
gatineau.
They
were
quick
to
assess
my
situation
and
decided
that
my
injuries
were
too
severe
to
be
treated
there,
and
then
I
needed
to
be
quickly
relocated
to
the
ottawa
hospital.
L
The
ottawa
hospital
was
viewed
as
the
only
hospital
within
a
reasonable
distance
that
could
have
any
chance
of
helping
me
at
the
ottawa
hospital.
I
had
half
of
my
skull
removed
to
allow
for
my
brain
to
swell.
I
was
then
put
into
a
medically
induced
coma.
The
new
civic
campus
would
help
to
ensure
that
all
those
in
need
can
receive
this
care
when
necessary.
L
I
want
to
ensure
that
everyone
I
know
and
love
is
able
to
receive
the
same
care
that
I
received
immediately
when
need
my
family
watched
for
nearly
two
weeks
as
the
team
in
the
icu
at
the
civic
hospital
treated
my
needs
as
they
quickly
changed
from
hour
to
hour.
The
likelihood
of
my
recovery
was
constantly
changing.
L
Fortunately,
when
I
came
out
of
my
medically
induced
coma,
I
had
use
the
use
of
all
my
limbs
and
I
was
able
to
remember
of
my
loved
ones.
My
recovery
was
due
to
the
quality
work
I
received
at
the
ottawa
hospital
in
a
time
of
crisis.
Another
hospital
was
able
to
recognize
that
I
could
only
be
helped
at
the
audible
hospital.
The
design
of
the
new
civic
campus
would
allow
for
more
people
to
receive
the
same
care
that
I
did
in
a
timely
manner.
L
L
They
have
been
able
to
provide
me
with
the
same
exceptional
and
timely
care
that
I
received
three
years
ago,
even
during
a
global
pandemic.
When
all
aspects
of
medical
community
are
stretched,
then
I
still
rely
on
the
ottawa
hospital
for
my
health
to
this
day.
As
just
this
morning,
I
was
at
the
civic
campus
to
have
an
eeg
scan.
The
continuous
help
of
the
ottawa
hospital
has
truly
saved
my
life,
and
the
new
civic
development
will
have
the
most
advanced
trauma
mentor
in
eastern
ontario.
L
L
These
new
facilities
will
help
to
attract
world-class
physicians,
which
will
only
help
the
ottawa
hospital
to
continue
its
world-class
service.
There
is
also
the
innovative
neuroscience
research
program,
which
will
be
a
new
development
as
a
person
who
has
been
through
neurotrauma.
I
am
very
happy
with
the
care
that
I
received
at
the
audible
hospital,
but
I'm
also
aware
of
how
much
we
still
have
to
learn
about
the
human
brain.
This
innovative
neuroscience
research
program
will
help
to
make
new
advancements
that
will
change
and
save
lives.
L
Lastly,
I
would
also
like
to
comment
on
the
accessibility
of
the
new
civic
development.
The
new
development
will
be
a
transit
oriented
site,
making
it
pedestrian
and
cyclists
safe.
It
will
also
be
accessible
by
the
light
rail
transit
line
in
the
year.
Following
my
traumatic
brain
injury,
I
had
my
license
removed,
but
still
needed
to
attend
many
appointments
at
the
hospital.
L
It's
crucial
that
the
hospital
be
accessible
to
people
of
ranging
health
and
socioeconomic
status.
We
are
fortunate
to
have
a
world-class
medical
facility
in
ottawa,
but
it
must
be
accessible
to
all
people
in
order
for
it
to
be
truly
valuable.
The
new
civic
development
would
allow
for
this
to
happen.
L
I
am,
I
would
simply
like
to
reiterate
what
a
large
role
the
ottawa
hospital
has
played
in
my
life.
I
was
born
at
the
civic
hospital
as
a
premature
baby
and
received
the
necessary
care
there
30
years
ago,
I'm
still
receiving
the
care
that
I
need
from
the
ottawa
hospital
to
this
very
day.
The
new
civic
development
is
a
necessary
next
step
in
the
advancement
of
our
hospital.
F
A
Thank
you
very
much
chair
ms
delaney.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
the
delegation.
I
hope
you
continue
to
do
well
in
your
recovery.
I
I
am
forever
astounded
at
what
medicine
can
accomplish,
and
some
of
those
stories
are
simply
jaw-dropping.
I
did.
I
was
pleased
to
raise
the
issue
of
accessibility
of
the
site
with
lrt.
A
One
of
the
concerns
that
I
have
with
this
site
plan
is
that
they
are
still
unable
to
describe
how
the
lrt
station
at
daos
lake,
which
is
on
the
north
side
of
carling
avenue,
will
be
connected
to
the
hospital
itself.
What
what,
in
your
view,
would
constitute,
as
somebody
who
is,
is
visiting
the
hospital
as
a
patient?
A
L
So
that
would
be
wonderful,
but
also
just
another
form
of
public
transit
would
also
be
very
helpful
to
those
looking
to
get
to
their
care,
but
I
think
the
optimal
solution
would
be
some
sort
of
direct
transit
between
a
direct
or
sorry
or
a
direct
pedestrian
link
like
either
one.
I
guess,
because
it's
not
that
far
really.
I
walked
it
this
morning,
but
in
the
winter
it
might
be
nice
to
have
a
bus
or
a
shuttle
in
between
or
the
direct
pedestrian
link
would
also
be
another
option.
I.
A
Think
they're,
looking
at
that
there
was
like
a
station.
One
of
the
options
on
the
table
is
to
have
an
overhead
like
a
pedestrian
connection
that
would
go
over
carlene
avenue
and
connect
to
the
hospital.
You
know,
presumably
to
the
parking
garage
and
you
could
get
inside
and
have
a
covered
covered
walk
into
the
hospital
it
does.
That
seem
like
something
you
would
use.
M
L
B
Oh,
thank
you.
I
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you.
I
remember
it
well
three
years
ago,
so
your
recovery
is
astounding
and
to
have
you
here
and
speaking
to
us
about
this,
is
it's
incredible.
I
mean
just
to
follow
it,
like
I
said
just
following
it
three
years
ago
and
to
today
and
seeing
you
here
in
front
of
us.
F
M
M
M
If
ever
you
walk
past
the
civic
hospital,
you
will
see
a
statue
up
front
and
the
dedication
below
the
statue
reached
this
way.
If
you
would
see
his
monument
look
around
you
and
the
name
on
that
statue
is
harold
fisher,
a
familiar
name
in
ottawa.
We
have
fisher
avenue
with
fisher
high
school
they're
named
after
harold
fisher.
M
He
was
the
mayor
of
ottawa
in
1917
to
1920,
and
at
that
time
another
pandemic
was
engulfing.
The
world
and
ottawa
was
no
exception,
the
spanish
influenza
and
in
the
three
years
he
was
mayor.
He
realized
the
inadequacy
of
the
three
hospitals
which
were
very
old
downtown
and
he
decided
to
make
a
bold
move
that
he
would
build
and
lead
the
building
of
a
new
hospital
which
became
the
civic
hospital
out
in
what
was
then
the
west
end
in
the
country,
and
people
thought
he
was
an
idiot.
M
M
M
What
we're
looking
at
today
is
a
legacy
100
years
after
harold
fisher
built
that
hospital,
we
don't
call
it
fisher's
folly
anymore.
We
call
it
his
foresight
because
of
all
the
great
things
that
have
happened
in
the
last
100
years
at
the
civic
campus
of
the
ottawa
hospital,
and
I
think
we
need
to
focus
on
the
next
hundred
years.
This
is
going
to
be
a
world-class
campus.
M
M
I
was
on
the
panel
that
hired
the
new
ceo
of
this
hospital
and
I
can
assure
you,
internationally
people
came
from
all
over
the
world
wanting
the
job
at
the
audible
hospital
and
I
think
it's
a
shame
that
in
ottawa
we
don't
realize
this-
that
we
have
a
gym
here.
We
have
something
that
we
should
be
very
proud
of,
and
when
I
walk
around
ottawa
people,
where
is
the
hospital
going
to
be
built?
They
ask
when
will
it
be
built?
M
C
C
M
And
again
I
have
to
underscore
I
don't
speak
on
behalf
of
the
hospital,
I'm
a
private
citizen,
and
when
I
was
chair
of
the
hospital
I
made
sure
I
told
exiting
board
members.
They
did
not
speak
for
the
hospital
anymore.
I
speak
on
my
own
again
in
my
experience,
both
with
the
audible
hospital
and
with
the
ontario
hospital
association.
M
You
can
argue
things
all
one
way
and
all
the
other
way
there
are
some
people
want
small
footprint
and
they
want
the
building
going
straight
up,
and
so
you
have
elevators,
and
so
you
have
patients
moving
straight
up
a
20-story
building
which,
in
my
humble
opinion,
is
not
optimal
for
anything,
especially
during
covert
times.
There's
others
who
want
is
spread
out
so
that
people
are
ambulatory
and
can
move
with
wheelchairs
along
corridors,
other
people
who
want
a
lot
of
green
space
and
park
space,
and
we
heard
that
in
the
design
of
this
hospital.
C
Okay,
thanks
for
that,
I've
seen
some
of
the
comments
around
the
internal
design
of
the
facilities,
and
I
have
no
doubt
that
that
will
be
state
of
the
art,
innovative
and
absolutely
necessary.
I've
also
seen
other
design
concepts
for
the
site
itself,
which
I'm
trying
to
speak
about
building
form
and
function
and
transportation
to
the
site,
and
that
sort
of
thing.
C
The
internal
aspects
I
know,
are
going
to
be
incredible
and
and
very
needed
in
our
city,
the
the
other
contentious
area
that
has
come
up,
there's
there's
two
one
is
the
above
ground
parking
garage
and
the
a
previous.
I
guess
commitment
to
bury
that
and
as
well
as
the
connection
with
lrt,
where
we're
seeing
a
couple
football
fields
in
between
where
the
lrt
will
currently
be
and
the
main
interest
of
the
hospital.
Do
you
have
any
comments
about
those
two
aspects.
M
In
an
ideal
world
we'd
have
no
parking
in
an
ideal
world,
it
would
be
completely
underground,
but
there
is
a
cost
and
the
cost
is
astronomical
to
put
that
complete
parking
lot
under
the
ground,
and
so
a
compromise
has
to
be
made
and
I'm
sure
the
hospital
administration
and
staff
will
do
their
level
best
to
make
sure
that
there
is
not
too
much
or
too
little
parking.
There
will
be
a
balance
struck
along
the
way,
so
that
would
be.
M
C
Okay,
thank
you,
and
you
are
aware
that
in
the
future
projections
to
make
this
site
work,
we
are
anticipating
50
model
share,
not
in
cars,
not
in
vehicles
that
that's
that's
the
one
of
the
only
ways
we
can
actually
make
this
site
work.
Is
people
taking
transit
people
biking
in
people
walking
in
people
scootering
into
the
site,
people
carpooling
into
the
site?
That's
the
only
way
we
can
make
this
site
work.
You
are
aware
of
that
as
well.
I'm.
F
M
M
M
A
number
of
people
don't
even
want
the
hospital
built
on
this
site.
I'm
hoping
we've
gone
past
that
we've
been
talking
about
this
since
2007
14
years
have
gone
by
with
various
iterations
of
where
it
should
be,
and
controversy
and
people
quarterbacking,
you
know
the
design
of
the
hospital.
I
leave
that
to
experts.
I
trust
the
experts
in
hospital
design.
M
I
trust
the
planning
the
zoning
people
of
the
the
city,
the
federal
agents
involved
and
the
municipal
and
provincial
agents
involved
that
they're
doing
their
level
best
to
make
this
happen
for
the
citizens
of
ottawa,
and
I
think
we
can't
lose
sight
of
this
fact
that
we
need
this.
Now
we
cannot
wait
another
10
15
years,
while
we
debate
minutia
around
this
hospital.
It
has
to
start
now
and
my
dream
is
that
in
2024
I'll
be
on
site
to
watch
us
begin
breaking
ground
on
this
beautiful
new
campus.
F
K
K
So
as
of
last
march,
I
began
my
journey
with
dr
brandy.
His
secretary
phoned
me.
Her
name
was
cheryl
as
well
and
made
an
appointment
with
me
with
dr
brandy
for
like
about
three
or
four
weeks
down
the
road.
She
was
just
a
sweetheart.
I
had
a
few
laughs
with
her
when
dr
brandi
called
me.
Of
course
I
was
at
home
and
the
conversation
it
was.
K
It
was
so
easy
to
talk
to.
He
explained
the
situation
house,
how
just
how
delicate
the
operation
was,
and
it
could
go
either
way
anyways.
He
certainly
made
me
feel
relaxed
about
it
and
took
his
time
with
me
over
the
phone
like
that.
I
didn't
feel
rushed
in
any
way
shape
or
form
to
ask
of
any
questions
anyways
from
there
on
in.
K
K
K
Okay,
so
long
story
short,
I'm
admitted
I
go
in
and
up
to
the
third
floor
and
they
get
me
ready
for
surgery
and
the
week
the
week
before
I'd
met
with
the
team
itself,
including
the
anesthesiologist,
and
I
asked
her
if
I
could
have
this
magic
little
pill
that
I've
had
before.
I
think
they
call
it
adivan.
I
know
the
name
of
it
now,
so
she
said
yes,
so
I
had
this
out
of
van
and
I
was
prepped
for
surgery
and
away.
I
went
next
thing.
I
know
I
woke
up.
I
was
in
icu.
K
K
K
K
I
finally
got
to
see
my
husband
just
so
you
know
the
second
day.
I
was
glad
to
see
him,
but
I
don't
really
remember
much
of
icu.
So
when
I
went
up
to
my
room,
I
was
the
nurse
I
was
in
a
room
by
myself
and
then
there
was
another
girl
that
was
brought
in.
But
during
that
time
the
nurse
the
nurses
that
came
in
were
they
were
just
so
kind.
So
nice,
everybody.
A
K
F
F
F
N
N
Great
idea,
wrong
location,
the
proposed
site
at
the
experimental
farm
national
historic
site
is
21
hectares
or
50
acres,
50,
verdant
acres
about
nine
times
the
size
of
confederation
park
across
the
street
from
city
hall
nine
times.
Can
you
think
for
a
moment
of
taking
that
much
green
space
out
of
stanley
park
or
high
park
in
toronto?
N
N
The
architects
drawings
do
not
give
us
any
idea
of
the
emissions
that
will
be
brought
into
the
this
area
from
the
all
of
the
very
large
trucks
that
daily
provide
medical
supplies,
equipment,
gases,
laundry
supplies
and
food,
as
well
as
garbage
trucks
needed
to
deal
with
the
waste
generated
from
such
a
large
hospital
health.
You
say
this
proposed
building
will
not
only
displace
the
ability
of
many
mature
trees
to
clean
the
air.
It
will
add
to
the
pollution
by
generating
emissions.
N
This
will
not
be
achieved
if,
if
this
proposal
is
accepted,
the
money
spent
to
adapt
train
services
could
be
used
to
address
the
determinant
of
health
for
housing.
We
only
have
to
walk
down
bank
street
elgin
street
or
venture
into
the
byward
market
to
see
the
consequences
to
the
health
of
people
who
are
not
adequately
housed.
We
have
a
homeless
crisis.