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Description
Joint Planning & BHSC Committees - 1 October 2021
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas
A
Well,
good
morning,
everybody
I've
just
confirmed
that
we
do
have
quorum.
So
thank
you
for
joining
us
this
morning
for
this
special
joint
meeting
on
the
day
after
the
first
national
day
of
truth
and
reconciliation.
A
A
This
is
the
second
time
this
year
that
the
planning
committee
and
built
heritage
subcommittee
have
met
together.
We
have
two
reports
before
us
today,
both
setting
out
details
that
will
guide
development
of
the
ottawa
hospital's
new
campus
near
downtown
lake.
We
will
hear
public
delegations
on
the
master
site
plan,
approval
and
lifting
of
the
holding
provision
for
the
ottawa
hospital
at
930,
carling
avenue
and
520
preston
street
and
the
related
heritage
considerations.
B
When
council
approved
the
official
plan
and
zoning
amendments
in
june
2018
for
the
new
hospital
campus,
it
also
required
that
the
master
site
plan
and
lifting
the
holy
provisions
be
brought
to
planning
committee
and
council
for
approval,
while
the
master
site
plan
is
fully
within
the
jurisdiction
planning
committee.
The
city
also
committed
this
year
to
consult
with
members
of
the
bill
here
subcommittee
on
heritage
considerations
through
an
information
report.
A
It's
not
common
for
these
two
committees
to
meet
jointly,
but
as
chairs
we
recognize
it
would
be
most
efficient
to
hold
a
joint
meeting.
It
will
help
streamline
public
submissions
and
avoid
duplication
between
our
two
communities,
starting
with
a
joint
meeting
will
allow
us
to
hear
delegations
on
both
reports.
A
Chair
moffitt,
chair
gower,
and
I
read
the
most
practical
approach
is
to
have.
The
joint
committee
receive
public
submissions
on
both
matters
together,
as
there
is
some
overlap
between
the
master
site
plan
and
its
heritage
considerations
in
a
few
moments,
we'll
ask
staff
to
introduce
themselves
and
to
provide
a
presentation
explaining
both
reports
in
more
detail.
B
Getting
those
out
there
ahead
of
time
will
allow
members
of
committee
and
the
public
and
delegations
to
be
able
to
hear
those
and
review
those
prior
to
any
discussions
on
those
motions
and
the
public
delegations
will
also
have
the
benefits
prior
to
speaking,
I'm
actually
having
those
motions.
B
So
I
remind
any,
if
you
haven't
already
know
some
emotions
already
out,
but
if
you
haven't
sent
those
motions
in
yet,
please
do
so
to
the
community
coordinator
at
motions,
ottawa.ca
members
of
the
public,
don't
send
motions
to
motions,
and
I
would
say,
though,
geez
that'd
be
that'd,
be
so
confusing
for
our
committee
coordinator
after
the
motion
industries
we'll
move
directly
to
hearing
the
delegations.
A
To
give
the
public
members
of
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
the
opportunity
to
ask
heritage-related
questions,
we'll
call
on
them
to
ask
questions
to
staff
first
after
that,
we'll
go
to
questions
from
members
of
council.
We'll
also
ask
that
planning
committee
members
ask
all
their
questions
of
staff
at
this
stage,
including
on
the
master
site
plan.
The
goal
is
to
move
directly
to
deliberations
once
the
joint
meeting
is
adjourned
and
the
planning
committee
is
called
to
order
before
the
joint
meeting
ends.
A
B
B
But
when
the
committee,
when
the
planning
committee
on
its
own
convenes,
it
will
be
to
deliberate
and
discuss
any
of
the
motions
that
have
been
tabled
and
then
make
recommendations
to
counsel
council
will
consider
the
recommendations
on
wednesday
october
13th.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that,
and
we
also
need
to
deal
with
a
few
other
logistics
most.
If
not
all
of
you
are
well
acquainted
with
meeting
by
zoom
already.
So
you
know
to
keep
your
mics
muted
until
you're
called
upon
to
speak.
Members
can
use
the
raise
hand
button
at
the
bottom
of
their
screens
to
signal
that
they
want
to
speak.
Any
members
of
council
or
members
of
the
subcommittee
or
staff
who
have
joined
by
telephone
can
press
star
9
to
raise
their
hands.
You
can
also
press
star
sex
to
mute
and
unmute
yourself.
B
So,
as
mentioned,
we
do
have
a
significant
number
of
delegations
today,
53
at
last
count,
and
we
have
also
received
many
written
submissions.
The
deadline
has
passed
to
register
to
speak,
but
you
can
still
send
in
those
written
recommend,
there's
written
submissions
to
our
committee
coordinator,
eric
pilo.
B
B
So
if
you
don't
want
to
be
on
youtube
from
here
on
out
for
eternity,
keep
your
camera
off
when
I
call
on
so
either
I
myself
or
counselor
king
will
run
through
the
delegation's
kind
of
probably
rotate.
I
imagine
so
when
we
call
on
you
to
speak,
make
sure
that
you're
unmuted
your
mic
and
begin
you'll
have
five
minutes
to
to
provide
your
presentation
and
we
will
be
providing
a
one-minute
warning
to
let
you
know
that
your
time
is
coming
up
once
your
five
minutes
are
up.
A
Now,
before
we
go
any
further,
we'll
do
a
quick
roll
call
of
all
16
members
and
remind
everyone
we
need
a
minimum
of
eight
members
present
to
maintain
quorum.
I
did
receive
regrets
from
member
hassell.
Could
the
committee
coordinator,
please
call
the
role
a
reminder
to
members
to
unmute
themselves
when
they
are
called.
E
A
C
A
Thank
you
for
that
member
podelski.
I
have
also
been
asked
by
member
hassell
to
note
for
the
minutes
that
she
has
declared
a
deemed
indirect
pecuniary
interest
on
the
two
items
on
this
joint
meetings
agenda.
This
is
because
she
is
an
employee
of
the
ncc,
which
is
an
approval
body
on
the
proposed
development
through
the
federal
land
use
and
design
approval
process
and
holds
real
estate
agreements
in
relation
to
the
subject
property.
A
She
anticipates
formally
reading
her
declaration
at
the
next
regular
built
heritage
subcommittee
meeting,
and
I
also
see
that
counselor
gower
has
raised
his
hand.
C
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
the
public
members
of
built
heritage
subcommittee
for
participating
today,
members
padelski
member
conforti
and
vice
chair
quinn.
I
think
it's
worth
pointing
out
that
these
three
public
members
are
volunteers
and
unpaid
and
have
put
aside
some
professional
and
probably
family
commitments
as
well
to
join
us
in
these
in
these
proceedings.
So
thank
you
to
the
three
of
you
for
your
participation
and
contributions
over
the
next
day,
and
maybe
more
than
that.
A
A
A
Number
one
built
heritage
subcommittee
will
be
asked
to
receive
an
information
report
that
provides
an
overview
of
heritage
considerations
for
the
master
site
plan
control
application
for
a
new
campus
of
the
ottawa
hospital.
No
specific
approval
is
required
as
there
are
no
properties
with
status
under
the
ontario
heritage
act
located
on
the
site.
The
heritage
report
outlines
measures
that
will
be
required
in
future
phases
to
mitigate
potential
impact
on
nearby
heritage
resources
like
the
experimental
farm
and
the
rito
canal.
A
A
The
master
site
plan
outlines
multiple
phases
of
work
over
the
next
25
years
and
aims
to
ensure
we
have
addressed
complex,
overarching
site
considerations
at
a
high
level.
This
means
that
if
the
application
is
approved,
this
will
not
be
the
last
chance
for
the
public
to
weigh
in
each
phase
will
have
its
own
application
applications.
Plural
and
opportunities.
Plural
for
consult
for
consultation.
B
So
I'm
going
to
ask
that
you
keep
that
in
mind
as
we
deliberate
now.
I
know
that
a
number
of
the
delegations
will
be
touching
on
on
that
I've
seen
the
submissions.
I
know
they
will
speak
about
location,
I'm
not
going
to
cut
them
on.
I
will
ask
the
delegations
and
come
out
today
and
try
to
focus
the
majority
of
your
time
talking
about
the
master
site
plan,
but
I
will
have
a
little
bit
less
leeway
given
to
members
of
council.
B
B
F
Thank
you
good
morning.
Thank
you,
mr
chairs.
My
name
is
sean
moore.
I'm
the
senior
planner
and
file
lead
for
the
civic
hospital
project.
Today's
staff
are
recommending
planning
committee
endorse
the
master
site
plan
to
permit
the
development
of
the
multi-phase
hospital
at
part
of
930,
carling
avenue
and
520
preston.
Street
staff
are
also
recommending
planning
committee
make
recommendation
to
council
to
remove
the
holding
provision
in
the
zoning.
My
colleague,
leslie
collins
will
discuss
the
heritage
aspects
of
these
applications
as
part
of
the
presentation,
and
we
can
put,
is
the
presentation
up.
F
So
the
site
that
we're
dealing
with
today
is
approximately
21
hectares,
50
acres,
bound
by
karlin
to
the
north
preston
street
and
principal
wales
to
the
south
and
east
maple
drive
to
the
west
and
generally
bound
by
the
national
capital
commission
scenic
driveway
to
the
south.
The
site
is
approximately
one
kilometer
or
less
than
one
kilometer
from
the
existing
civic
hospital
site.
Next
slide,
please,
the
site
itself
is
irregularly,
shaped
if
we
start
in
the
east
and
move
through
the
site,
I'll
just
describe
some
general
site
aspects.
F
There's
an
existing
200
space,
ncc
parking
lot
in
the
east
along
preston
and
carling
street.
We
have
the
o
train
trench
further
to
the
west.
Then
we
have
what
is
known
as
the
open
space
of
queen
juliana
park.
Then
we
rise
up
through
the
ridge
of
trees
to
where
the
former
sir
john
carlin
building
was
located,
and
we
can
see
a
surface
parking
area
in
the
northwest
and
to
the
south
west.
We
see
the
hair
old,
the
heritage,
not
heritage,
but
the
old
cedar,
hedge
collection
and
the
dara
tennis
club.
H
Good
morning,
mr
chairs
and
members
of
the
committee,
as
sean
said,
my
name
is
leslie
collins
and
I'm
the
program
manager
for
heritage
planning.
The
report
before
the
committee
today,
as
it
relates
to
heritage,
is
simply
an
information
report
to
provide
the
committee
with
the
cultural
heritage
impact
statement
and
some
of
the
heritage
considerations
that
went
into
the
master
site
plan
application
next
slide.
Please.
H
Any
resources
designated
under
the
designated.
H
The
subject
site
is
located
within
the
experimental
farm,
the
national
historic
site
of
canada,
which
also
includes
a
variety
of
federally
recognized
and
classified
heritage
buildings.
The
central
experimental
firm
was
designated
as
a
national
historic
site
as
a
rare
example
of
a
firm
within
the
city
reflecting
the
significance
of
architecture.
Excuse
me,
agriculture
and
shaping
canada.
H
It
was
established
by
the
federal
government
in
1886
and
has
made
significant
scientific
contributions
to
canadian
agriculture.
In
addition,
it's
a
picturesque
cultural
landscape,
reflecting
19th
century
philosophy
of
agriculture
features
an
administrative
core,
the
arboretum
ornamental
gardens
display
beds
and
experimental
fields.
There
are
many
federally
designated
heritage
buildings
in
the
vicinity
of
the
future
hospital
site.
Photos
of
all
buildings
are
detailed
within
pages
45-50
of
the
cultural
heritage
impact
statement.
No.
H
This
slide
is
just
intended
to
provide
a
high
level
overview
of
the
heritage,
resources
on
and
adjacent
to
the
future
hospital
site.
The
image
does
not
show
every
federal
building
in
detail,
but
the
details
are
included
on
page
3
figure,
2
of
the
cultural
heritage
impact
statement
in
general,
you
can
see
the
proximity
to
dallas
lake
and
queen
elizabeth
driveway.
H
Although
the
site
is
well
without
outside
of
the
boundary
of
the
rideau
canal,
world
heritage
site
and
its
30
meter
buffer
zone,
you
can
see
in
a
general,
the
blue
shading
is
generally
the
boundary
of
the
experimental
farm
as
well
as
the
arboretum
is
not
shaded
in
blue,
but
that
is
considered
part
of
the
farm
as
well.
The
dominion
observatory,
complex
is
a
grouping
of
of
classified
and
recognized
federal
heritage
buildings
and
the
william
saunders
building
is
also
a
federally
designated
heritage.
H
F
F
Please
I'd
like
to
take
a
step
back
to
2017
and
2018
just
to
see
and
understand
how
what
process
brought
us
here
today
in
may
of
2017
planning
committee
directed
staff
to
initiate
the
zoning
and
official
plan
amendments
for
the
site
in
september
of
2017
city
staff
held
zoning
and
official
planning
and
public
meetings
which
were
attended
by
over
90
attendees
from
november
and
to
december
of
2017.
The
ottawa
hospital
hosted
seven
information
sessions
across
the
ottawa
region,
including
five
within
ottawa
january
of
2018.
F
F
So
pre
pre
the
pre-zoning
and
official
plan
amendment.
This
is
what
the
zoning
looked
like.
So
in
2018
prior
to
that
staff
report,
there
are
multiple
zones
on
the
property
and
a
hospital
was
permitted
on
approximately
13
hectares
of
the
site
under
the
01
exception
and
the
mc
zones
in
the
middle
of
the
property
next
slide.
Please
and
prior
to
our
official
plan
amendment
in
2018,
the
majority
of
the
site
was
designated
general
urban
arterial,
main
street
and
mixed
use
center
with
the
brown
portions.
F
You
can
see
on
the
map
being
within
the
agricultural
research
area.
Next
slide,
please
so.
Staff
put
together
a
uniform
zone
which
was
a
major
institutional
zone
and
the
zone
permits
the
use
of
the
hospital
office.
Research
and
development
center
residential
care
facility
uses
ancillary
uses
to
a
hospital,
and
the
exception
zone
put
on
the
property
was
to
prohibit
several
non-uh
related
hospital
uses
that
are
naturally
in
that
major
institutional
zone
and
to
establish
a
holding
provision
which
I'll
speak
to
in
a
moment.
F
Next
slide,
please
the
this
is
the
images
of
the
current
official
plan.
The
image
on
the
left
illustrates
that
the
majority
of
the
site
is
within
the
general
urban
area,
designation
now
with
the
arterial
main
street
along
carling
avenue,
and
the
mixture
center
designation
towards
the
preston
carling
edge.
F
We
also
city
council,
passed
an
amendment
to
the
secondary
plan,
so
this
was
a
the
preston
carlene
district
secondary
plan
where
we
brought
forward
a
new
hospital
area
designation,
which
is
purple
so
this
captured
the
new
hospital
district
in
the
secondary
plan.
Next
slide,
please.
F
There's
also
a
height
schedule
within
that
secondary
plan.
That's
that
was
amended
so
to
reflect
the
concepts
we
carried
forward.
The
heights
in
the
range
of
nine
to
15
stories
around
the
karlin
lrt
station,
and
then
what
was
amended
was
permissions
up
to
20
stories
on
the
top
of
the
ridge
shown
in
red,
and
this
is
acknowledging
that
this
was
a
large
area
to
develop
a
main
hospital
building.
F
Next
slide,
please,
as
mentioned
earlier,
a
holding
provision
was
established
to
ensure
that
a
master
site
plan,
a
transportation,
a
study,
a
cultural
heritage,
study
and
master
servicing
study
could
be
approved
by
planning
committee
and
council
next
slide.
Please
I'll
briefly,
briefly:
walk
you
through
the
master
plan,
but
I'm
going
to
leave
the
majority
of
the
details
to
the
applicant.
So
I'll
walk
you
through
the
phasing
of
this
multi-phased
hospital
quickly,
phase
one
and
two
denoted
in
green
in
your
top
right
is
the
parking
garage
and
trench
riding
for
the
oak
train
phases.
F
F
In
the
top
right
of
your
your
screen
phase
six
would
be
research
towers
and
the
karlin
urban
plaza
in
red
phase.
Seven
a
b
and
c
are
the
carling
towers
along
carl
and
preston
denoted
in
yellow
phase
eight
and
nine
would
be
expansions
to
the
hospital
to
that
north
seven
story.
Wing
phase
10
is
the
bottom
of
the
screen
in
blue,
which
would
be
the
future
university
of
ottawa.
Heart
institute.
Relocation,
post
2045.
F
F
F
The
master
plan
is
also
was
reviewed
by
the
ncc's
advisory
committee
on
planning,
design
and
realty
and
will
be
in
its
future
implementing
site
plan
patrol
applications,
and
this
the
master
plan
is
subject
to
the
ncc's
review
and
resolution
with
the
ncc
board
of
directors
meeting
on
october
5th
next
slide.
Please.
F
In
all
also,
we
received
about
200
about
200
people
have
engaged
on
through
engage
ottawa.
Our
special
website
dedicated
to
this
project
and
by
emailing
myself
as
the
file
lead
we've
heard
on
such
matters
as
impact
on
local
neighborhood
streets,
lrt
connectivity,
the
need
for
strong
pedestrian
cycling,
connectivity,
tree
loss,
tree
compensation,
impacts
on
the
central
experimental
farm
and
the
success
of
a
rooftop
public
space.
Among
other
issues.
Next
slide,
please.
F
Staff
are
recommending
approval
of
the
master
site
plan
and
the
removal
of
the
holding
provision
on
the
basis
that
the
master
site
plan
has
demonstrated
the
acceptance
of
number
one.
The
cultural
heritage
impact
statement,
two,
the
transportation
impact
assessment,
three,
the
master
servicing
plan
and
for
the
overall
master
site
plan
design.
H
Thank
you.
Sean
next
slide
please.
H
So
the
official
plan
requires
that
development
applications
adjacent
to
or
impacting
the
central
experimental,
firm,
the
rideau
canal
or
federally
designated
properties
include
the
submission
of
a
cultural
heritage
impact
statement
and
the
purpose
of
a
cultural
heritage.
Impact
statement
is
to
understand
the
potential
positive
and
adverse
impacts
of
a
proposed
development
on
the.
H
Plan
on
the
central
experimental,
firm
nearby
heritage,
buildings,
the
rideau
canal,
world
heritage
site
and
the
queen
elizabeth
driveway
cultural
heritage,
landscape,
the
cultural
heritage
impact
statement
is
intended
to
identify
and
assess
the
impacts,
proposed
mitigation
strategies
and
make
recommendations
on
a
proposal.
H
The
chis
is
often
an
iterative
process
being
revised
after
comments
from
stakeholders
and
city
staff.
The
first
version
of
this
document
was
submitted
to
the
city
in
may,
with
the
following
revision
submitted
in
july
of
this
year,
comments
were
received
in
several
areas,
but
primarily
comments
from
staff.
The
ncc,
the
public
and
heritage
ottawa
included
issues
around
the
potential
impacts
on
the
dominion
observatory,
complex
the
importance
of
maintaining
the
pastoral
landscape
of
the
central
experimental
firm
and
its
rural
edge.
H
H
H
Briefly,
the
key
impacts
include
the
alteration
of
this
historic
fabric
and
the
landscape
of
the
central
experimental
term,
beyond
the
extent
of
the
sir
john
crowley
building.
So
while
the
sir
john
carlin
building
was
a
large
building
on
the
site,
the
the
the
potential
impact
of
a
larger
hospital
complex
were
addressed.
H
Visual
impacts
were
identified
on
periphery
or
background
views
identified
for
the
central
experimental
firm,
including
the
william
saunders
building
the
redo
canal
and
the
queen.
Elizabeth
driveway
cultural
landscape
impacts
on
the
functional
change
of
a
portion
of
maple
drive
where
the
when
the
ambulance
route
is
established,
including
increased
risk
to
the
south
azimuth
building,
which
is
shown
on
this
slide.
As
you
can
see,
it's
quite
close
to
the
right-of-way.
H
I
H
H
The
detailed
mitigation
strategies
proposed
by
the
chis
are
included
in
again
in
table
3
on
page
70
of
the
document.
However,
the
following
mitigation
measures
have
been
incorporated
into
the
conditions
of
master
site
plan,
approval
risk
mitigation
for
construction
impacts.
So
this
includes
issues
such
as
documentation
of
the
historic
buildings,
monitoring
of
masonry
for
cracking
other
associated
risk
mitigation.
H
H
Finally,
as
the
master
site
plan
is
not
as
detailed
as
the
site
plan
level,
many
of
the
draft
conditions
include
a
requirement
for
further
addendums
to
the
cultural
heritage
impact
statement
to
address
the
landscape,
integration
and
protection
of
the
character
of
the
central,
experimental,
firm
and
mitigation
of
visual
impacts
through
the
individual
site
plan
level.
As
as
the
site
develops
in
its
phases.
H
Approval
and
requiring
further
study
and
analysis
of
the
landscape
condition,
tree
conservation
and
compensation,
and
integration
of
each
portion
as
the
site
is
developed.
Heritage
staff
feel
the
impact
of
this
development
can
be
reasonably
mitigated.
I'm
going
to
pass
it
back
over
to
sean.
Thank
you.
F
F
Conditions
of
approval
contained
in
document
5
will
also
require
such
things
as
a
neighborhood
traffic.
Calming
study
off-site
parking
strategy
to
deal
with
off-site
parking
impacts
in
adjacent
neighborhoods
transportation,
monitoring
to
truth
test.
The
findings
of
the
tia
transportation,
demand
management
plan
and
lrt
connectivity
to
be
direct
weather,
protected
and
clear
way,
finding
and
universally
accessible.
F
Next
slide.
Please,
in
terms
of
lifting
the
holding
provision
for
servicing
a
master
servicing
plan
has
been
reviewed
by
staff.
The
plan
demonstrates
the
site
is
serviceable
from
a
water,
wastewater
and
sanitary
perspective,
with
future
implementing
site
plan
control
applications
to
lay
out
the
details
of
servicing
next
slide.
Please.
F
I'm
going
to
go
through
four
more
items,
and
these
are,
I
picked
out
for
rationale
for
removing
the
h,
based
on
the
master
site
plan
being
in
a
position
that
staff
can
recommend
approval
on
or
endorsement
on.
First
one
is
lrt
connectivity.
F
The
master
site
plan
has
been
designed
such
that
does
not
preclude
the
options
of
providing
a
number
of
things.
These
include
pedestrian
overpass
over
carling
and
or
providing
pedestrian
access
under
carlin
from
a
south
side
portal
and
or
extending
the
platform
station
platforms
underneath
carling
avenue,
with
access
from
a
south
side
portal.
F
If
we
look
at
the
slides
on
the
slide
on
the
left,
shows
the
parkade
with
the
white
line
on
top
is
the
we're
calling
the
high
line,
which
is
a
pedestrian
access
which
will
go
directly
from
the
hospital
to
the
carling
station
and
the
side
on
the
slide
on
the
right.
Well,
if
you
look
at
you'll,
see
tower
a
and
tower
b
and
there's
options
to
provide
that
south
side
portal
that
I
was
speaking
about.
F
The
key
is
that
the
options
can
work
and
the
details
of
the
best
option
can
come
forward
in
the
implementing
site
plans.
Next
slide,
please
in
terms
of
tree
canopy
as
part
of
the
design
of
the
master
plan,
the
applicant
has
demonstrated
commitment
to
a
significant
canopy
coverage,
including
the
designing
of
the
site,
to
preserve
the
mature
trees
within
the
ridge,
there's
a
total
of
about
500
or
some
trees
on
the
site
to
be
retained.
F
F
With
respect
to
cycling,
connectivity
cycling
has
been
accommodated
in
the
master
plan
in
two
routes:
around
the
parkade
to
the
west,
through
the
internal
streets,
on
a
two-way
cycle
facility
and
on
the
second
route
to
the
east.
On
a
two-way
cycling
facility.
The
cycling
facility
to
the
east
will
run
along
preston
street
and
then
turn
into
prince
of
wales
on
a
one-way
cycle
track
approximately
500,
sheltered
bicycle
parking
spaces
are
to
be
provided
in
a
structured
parking
next
slide.
Please.
F
With
respect
to
open
space
and
planning
committee's
direction
for
staff
to
find
open
space
on
the
property,
two
types
of
open
space
are
being
recommended
for
approval
through
the
master
plan.
The
first
is
an
urban
plaza
at
carlene
avenue
across
the
intersection
of
carlene's
champion
avenue,
and
that
is
the
top
left
image.
F
Second,
is
a
proposed
green
roof
on
the
parking
garage
which
would
re-establish
its
significant
open
space
on
the
site,
with
approximately
23
000
square
meters
or
five
and
a
half
acres
of
open
space
for
public
use.
The
programming
opportunities
for
this
are
vast
and
could
include
tennis
courts,
playground,
splash,
pads,
passive
outdoor
activities,
community
gardens
and
more
both
spaces
will
be
publicly
accessible
next
slide,
please.
F
Urban
design
review
plan
panel
sessions
were
held
march
5th
and
june
4th
2021,
the
national
capital
commission
advisory
committee
on
planning
design
realty
was
held,
may
21
2021
special
design
meetings
were
held
at
the
city,
the
ncc
and
the
hospital
team
to
explore
madison
mobility,
interim
conditions
and
edge
conditions
with
the
central
experimental
farm.
The
design
review
culminated
culminated
in
several
achievements.
If
we
look
at
the
screen,
the
parking
garage
has
been
designed
such
that
landscape
is
integrated
into
the
side
of
the
garage
in
various
elevations.
F
If
we
look
at
the
top
right
image,
this
is
the
prince
of
wales
elevation
where
you
can
see
birming
and
layering
of
vegetation
and
trees.
The
bottom
right
image
is
the
preston
street
elevation.
We
can
see
the
same
effect,
but
the
gradient
is
more
gradual,
which
permits
a
pedestrian
ramp
experience
up
to
the
top
of
the
garage
through
the
layers
of
vegetation
and
trees.
The
top
of
the
garage
has
also
been
pulled
back
and
undulates
to
minimize
its
massing
at
this
important
gateway,
site
and
adjacency
to
dallas
lake.
F
Finally,
other
achievements
through
design
have
been
maximizing
the
space
for
pedestrian
cycling
facilities
on
preston
and
carling
re-examination
of
tree
retention
along
the
edges
of
the
central
experimental
farm
minimizing
the
use
of
maple
drive
as
a
vehicular
access,
thus
aiding
in
the
preservation
of
a
pastoral
entrance,
ensuring
the
master
site
design
can
accommodate
enhanced
transit
connections
when
funding
becomes
available
and
ensuring
the
master
site
design
does
not
preclude
future
capacity
improvements
to
the
trillium
line.
That's
the
end
of
the
presentation.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation,
so
I'd
like
to
thank
both
sean,
moore
and
and
leslie
collins
from
planning
and
heritage.
Before
we
begin
hearing
public
delegations,
I
would
ask
at
this
time
that
members
introduce
their
emotions.
C
Whereas
the
central
experimental
farm
is
an
important
historic,
cultural
and
scientific
institution
in
the
heart
of
the
city
and
whereas
the
central
experimental
farm
has
been
an
important
part
of
ottawa's
green
space
system
since
1886,
whereas
the
residents
of
ottawa
would
like
assurances
for
the
long-term
protection
of
the
remainder
of
the
lands
and
the
institution
outside
of
those
leased
to
the
ottawa
hospital
and
those
required
for
transit
improvements
on
baseline
road,
whereas
the
central
experimental
farm
is
under
the
operating
jurisdiction
of
agriculture,
canada
and
the
federal
land
use
planning.
Jurisdiction
of
the
national
capital.
C
Commission,
therefore
be
it
resolved.
That
planning
committee
recommend
that
council
direct
the
mayor
on
behalf
of
council
write
to
the
minister
of
agriculture
and
agri-food,
canada,
the
minister
of
environment
and
climate
change,
canada,
the
member
of
parliament
for
ottawa
center
and
the
chair
of
the
board
of
directors
of
the
national
capital
commission,
requesting
that
the
government
of
canada
ensure
the
long-term
protection
of
the
remainder
of
the
lands
outside
of
those
leased
to
the
ottawa
hospital
and
those
required
for
transit
improvements
on
baseline
road
and
the
institution.
By
pursuing
the
following
steps.
B
C
Thank
you
very
much
share,
so
my
motion
is
with
respect
to
traffic,
whereas
there
is
significant
potential
for
localized
traffic
impacts
that
increase
the
volume
of
cut
through
traffic
on
local
residential
streets
and
whereas
an
influx
of
cut
through
traffic
to
formerly
quiet
streets
would
constitute
an
undue
adverse
impact
on
the
quality
of
life
for
those
residents
and
whereas
further
study
is
required
to
fully
understand
those
impacts
that
have
not
been
adequately
addressed
in
the
traffic
impact
assessment
and
whereas
traffic
mitigations
to
discourage
cut
through
traffic
may
require
an
unknown
level
of
funding
that
would
be
required
to
be
funded
by
the
city
and
whereas
a
key
mitigation
will
be
to
encourage
eastbound
hospital
vehicles
to
exit
the
417
at
carling
kirkwood
and
proceed
to
the
site
on
carling
avenue,
bypassing
residential
neighborhoods,
for
a
faster
trip.
C
Time,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
planning
committee,
a
amend
document,
five
conditions
of
master
plan
approval
item
14c
to
read
the
owner,
acknowledges
and
agrees
that
a
neighborhood
traffic
study
is
required
prior
to
registration
of
the
hospital
building
site
plan
agreement.
The
study
will
include,
within
its
terms
of
reference,
the
expected
traffic
patterns
and
impacts
to
volume,
speed
and
parking
within
1500
meters
of
the
hospital
site
and
mitigation
options.
C
The
study
shall
be
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
general
manager
of
pride
b,
amend
document,
5
conditions,
the
master
to
plan
approval
to
add
a
new
requirement.
14D
to
read
the
owner,
acknowledges
and
agrees
that
it
bears
responsibility
for
funding
mitigations
identified
in
the
neighborhood
traffic
study,
where
those
are
recommended
for
implementation
by
the
city
and
c
recommend
the
council
direct
works,
direct
staff
to
work
with
the
applicant
to
make
an
application
to
the
ministry
of
transportation
to
relocate
the
highway
417
directional
signage
from
the
eastbound
parkdale
off-ramp.
B
Thank
you
and
does
eric
do
we
have
because
I
know
my
schedule
here
says
to
go
to
councilman
our
next,
but
council
libra
does
have
a
second
motion
on
the
trillion
path.
Do
we
have
that
ready
to
go
right
now,
so
we
can
just
get
it
while
he's
already
up?
Oh
there,
you
go
perfect.
C
Thank
you
I'll
read
this
one
from
eric's
version.
So
with
respect
sorry,
this
one's
with
respect
to
tree
conservation
eric.
I
think
there
might
be
one
with
respect
to
cycling.
C
Thank
you,
whereas
the
location
for
the
new
ottawa
civic
hospital
is
serviced
by
the
trillium
bike
path
and
the
portion
of
this
bike
path
from
carlene
avenue
to
prince
of
wales
drive
is
planned
to
be
eliminated
at
site
of
the
phase,
one
above
ground
parking
garage
and
whereas
the
trillium
bike
path
will
be
rerouted
around
the
proposed
phase.
C
I
believe
that's
my
motion.
Oh
sorry,
oh
am
I
doing
that.
Oh
yes,
sorry
on
behalf
of
councilman
kenny.
Yes,
just.
C
So
we'll
get
that
one
up
and
there
we
go
yeah.
C
K
B
K
K
The
next
motion
is
on
the
integration
of
transit
right
transit
yeah,
whereas
the
location
for
the
new
ottawa
civic
hospital
is
in
proximity
to
transit
facilities,
including
the
light
rail
transit
o
train
line,
two
crossing
the
northeast
portion
of
the
site
and
the
dallas
lake
station,
but
is
located
235
meters
away
the
equivalent
of
two
full
football
fields
from
the
main
entrance
of
the
hospital
and
whereas
carling
avenue
is
a
priority.
K
That
planning
committee
direct
staff
to
ensure
that
the
proposed
internal
road
network
is
capable
of
accommodating
local
transit
services
from
a
road
design
perspective
and
also
to
assess,
as
part
of
the
transit
service
plan
for
the
hospital.
Whether
local
transit
services
should
utilize
these
local
roads
and
enter
into
the
site
to
complement
the
other
transit
facilities
surrounding
the
site.
K
Calming
study
prior
to
registration
of
the
main
hospital
building,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
planning
committee
direct
staff
to
work
with
the
holo
hospital
on
encouraging
them
to
set
up
a
community
transportation
advisory
group
and
ask
adjacent
award
counselors
to
recommend
community
representatives
to
inform
the
required
neighborhood
traffic.
Calming
study
and
off-site
parking.
K
B
Okay,
thank
you.
I
don't
have
any
other
motions.
Do
we
have
any
other
motions
that
anyone
would
like
to
introduce
at
this
time.
B
Well,
we
introduced
the
one
at
the
start,
so
glenn
sorry,
chair,
gower,
had
read
it
now.
Council
brockton
has
joined
us
because
we
did
introduce
the
motion
that
you
provided
to
us
regarding
the
the
master
plan
for
the
experimental
farm,
so
that
has
been
introduced.
B
So
thank
you,
okay,
so
we
will
now
move
to
delegations
and
we
will
start
with
a
presentation
from
the
applicants.
Of
course,
the
applicant
will
be
here
currently
just
to
provide
a
presentation
and
questions
will
come
after
we've
concluded
with
the
delegations
so
who
we
have
here
with
the
hospital?
Is
president,
ceo,
karen
love,
chief
of
staff,
virginia
roth,
joanne
reed
with
the
auto
hospital,
as
well
as
jason,
emery
growing?
Who
is
the
lead
architect
on
the
on
the
file,
so
cameron.
C
Great,
can
you
hear
me
councilman
often
we.
C
Perfect
well,
thank
you.
So
thank
you,
mr
chairs,
and
good
morning.
All
my
name
is
cameron,
love
and
I'm
president,
ceo
of
the
ottawa
hospital
with
me,
is
dr
virginia
roth:
the
ottawa
hospital's
chief
of
staff.
C
To
start,
we
would
like
to
thank
the
members
of
the
city's
planning
and
build
heritage
committees
and
all
other
city
councillors
for
attending
this
morning.
I
also
want
to
thank
the
city
staff
for
whom
we
have
been
working
closely
with
on
this
exercise,
and
we
support
the
report
that
is
presented
at
today.
C
I
also
want
to
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
councillor
keith
eglai,
chair
of
the
ottawa
board
of
health
and
dr
vera
etches
ottawa's,
chief
medical
officer,
with
whom
we
work
closely
with
throughout
the
pandemic,
to
ensure
our
community
has
access
to
the
very
best
care
as
leaders
of
one
of
canada's
largest
hospitals.
We
want
to
begin
by
recognizing
expressing
our
deep
appreciation
to
the
thousands
of
local
health
care
workers
for
their
efforts,
particularly
over
these
past
20
months
of
the
pandemic.
C
I
know
you
will
agree.
They
deserve
every
ounce
of
our
gratitude
for
their
hard
work
and
diligence
in
caring
for
our
community
during
this
most
challenging
time.
We
are,
however,
delighted
to
speak
today
about
this
exciting
project.
In
fact,
our
discussion
today
could
not
be
timelier,
and
the
development
of
our
new
civic
campus
is
absolutely
necessary
for
two
key
reasons.
C
First,
the
pandemic
has
highlighted
the
critical
need
for
access
to
the
best
and
most
compassionate
healthcare
services
to
be
able
to
respond
to
the
future
challenges
like
a
pandemic.
Our
healthcare
infrastructure,
and
particularly
our
regional
trauma
and
referral
center,
has
to
be
more
accessible,
has
to
be
agile,
and
it
definitely
has
to
be
able
to
accommodate
today's
and
future
standards
for
health
care.
C
L
Good
morning
and
I'm
sorry,
I'm
having
video
difficulty,
our
medical
and
health
care
system
is
evolving
at
a
rapid
pace.
This
new
hospital
site
positions
us
extremely
well
to
provide
state-of-the-art
care
and
access
for
the
most
acutely
ill
patients
across
eastern
ontario,
western
quebec
and
nunavut
as
the
region's
only
trauma
center.
This
hospital
is
critical
to
the
city's
growth
management
strategy
and
meeting
the
demands
of
a
community
that
has
felt
firsthand
the
effects
of
a
global
pandemic.
L
G
Sounds
good,
and
hopefully
everyone
can
hear
me:
okay,
thanks
joanne,
and
I
I
don't
know
if
it's
possible
to
bring
the
slide
deck
up.
If
that's
yes,.
G
G
There
we
go
all
right
good
morning,
everyone-
and
thank
you
for
the
time
here
this
morning,
as
you
can
see,
hopefully,
there's
a
blue
screen
here
with
the
title
of
what
we're
going
to
be
speaking
to
in
a
moment
if
we
could
go
to
the
next
slide.
G
Before
we
begin
a
brief
review
of
the
master
psych
plan,
we
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
speak
to
heritage,
as
this
is
a
joint
meeting
with
the
built
heritage
subcommittee.
Next
slide.
G
It
was
so
inspiring
to
hear
the
stories
of
hope
and
positivity
from
the
stewards
of
the
spirit
of
place
and
in
a
touching
moment
to
many
of
us,
marion
crowe
of
the
indigenous
people's
advisory
circle
exclaimed
dream
with
me.
If
you
will
imagine
a
hospital
where
you
are
not
afraid,
this
spoke
to
us
of
integration,
creating
something
familial
inviting
profoundly
equitable,
something
fundamentally
transformational
in
terms
of
a
healthcare
experience.
Next
slide,
please.
G
The
team
has
also
spent
considerable
time
in
the
review
of
the
history
of
the
site
and
changes
over
the
last
century
that
have
seen
the
site
occupied
by
various
uses
from
the
initial
damning
of
the
dao's
swamp
to
the
evolution
of
the
farm
and
the
temporary
buildings
on
the
lower
portion
of
the
site
and
the
moving
of
the
agricultural
canada
headquarters
to
the
upper
portion
of
the
site.
Next
slide.
G
The
team
spent
significant
time
in
the
national
archives
reviewing
how
hart
massey
the
architect
developed
various
schemes
to
respond
to
the
site,
including
multiple
details
that
may
well
inform
elements
of
the
future
design
of
the
hospital.
Next
slide,
please
in
honoring
the
west
annex,
for
example,
the
last
element
remaining
on
the
site.
G
We
studied
the
design
of
that
wing,
the
structural
finesse
of
the
solution
and
the
experience
of
looking
out
through
the
mature
trees
of
the
escarpment
on
the
site,
something
we
see
as
a
phenomenal
opportunity
to
pay
deference
to
in
the
public
areas
of
the
new
hospital
and
the
master
site
plan
moving
forward
next
slide,
please,
as
sean
noted,
we
are
here
today
to
review
the
master
psych
plan
for
the
new
civic
development
and
we
thought
we
would
complement
some
of
the
elements
that
he
had
noted
in
the
earlier
city.
Presentation
next
slide.
Please.
G
As
we
describe
the
master
plan
for
the
facility
today,
it's
important
to
note
the
broad
catchment
this
regional
tertiary
care
trauma
center
serves.
It
will
be
2.5
million
square
feet
in
phase
1.
It
will
cater
to
over
a
million
annual
visits
and
also
include
over
10
000
staff,
students
and
volunteers.
G
G
Please
and
sean
described
many
of
these
elements
within
his
earlier
presentation,
and
one
of
the
elements
we
wanted
to
denote
here
is
the
extension
of
mature
trees
flowing
up
through
the
escarpment
from
the
dominion
arboretum
that
form
part
of
the
central
focus
of
this
master
site
plan,
wayfinding
for
a
new
facility
and
weaving
of
building
and
nature
on
such
a
beautiful
site.
These
trees
to
be
preserved
and
maintained.
G
Next
slide,
we
looked
at
various
configurations
and
realized
that
positioning
the
hospital
on
the
largest
portion
of
open
land
allowed
for
the
most
optimal
clinical
configuration
with
a
key
requirement
to
allow
for
expansion
next
slide.
Please
we
looked
at
the
least
impact
to
the
farm
in
terms
of
traffic
and
realized
the
positioning,
ambulances
and
emergency
vehicles
to
the
west
allowed
for
clear
segregation
of
flows
where
seconds
count.
The
smallest
quotient
of
traffic
on
the
site
in
terms
of
volume
is
the
emergency
vehicles
significantly
minimizing
the
traffic
impact
adjacent
to
the
farm.
G
The
red
dash
lines
here
on
the
screen
represent
the
controlled
access
of
what
we
consider
professional
drivers,
the
emergency
vehicles
needing
to
access
the
hospital
by
bringing
them
swiftly
onto
the
hospital
property.
We
can
turn
off
lights
and
sirens
and
really
minimize
impact
upon
arrival
on
the
controlled
driveways
on
the
site.
Next
slide.
Please.
G
I
believe
it
might
take
a
moment
for
that
slide.
Just
to
switch
there.
You
might
be
able
to
see
some
of
those
graphics
next
slide,
please
and
beyond
the
plazas.
The
team
is
excited
by
the
opportunity
to
link
to
the
existing
lrt
station
near
the
site
and
to
redevelop
queen
juliana
park
on
the
roof
of
the
parkade,
a
covered
protected
walkway
from
the
lrt
station
through
to
the
hospital
on
the
roof
of
the
park
aid
offering
opportunity
for
activation
while
giving
this
part
of
the
site
back
to
the
city.
G
Next,
one
and
here
provided
this
animation
flows
reasonably
well.
Here
on
the
connection,
we
envisioned
the
urban
plaza
facing
carling
as
a
place
of
activation.
The
first
steps
to
the
site
bound
by
research
to
the
right
and
places
to
gather,
maintaining
and
enhancing
the
public
realm
and
creating
the
approach
to
the
hospital.
G
G
A
few
key
numbers
that
you
see
here
on
the
screen
number
one
is
the
pedestrian
pathway
that
comes
across
from
the
parkade
into
the
main
plaza
and
the
main
entrance
of
the
facility.
Number
two
is
the
main
entrance
at
grade.
Number
three
is
a
covered
and
protected
emergency
access
through
to
the
lower
component
of
the
hospital
number
four
is
a
central
light.
Well
that
brings
light
within
the
central
podium
and
number
five.
Is
the
emergency
vehicle
access
sunken
down
into
grade
along
the
west.
G
Next
slide,
please
the
view
that
you'll
see
in
a
moment
is
the
the
approach
of
the
main
plaza
that
demonstrates
how
the
design
embraces
and
preserves
the
thickest
stand
of
mature
trees
along
the
escarpment,
creating
an
incredibly
calming
first
impression
as
one
approaches.
The
main
entrance
covered
pedestrian
access
through
from
the
lrt
station
in
queen
juliana
park,
in
the
dash
line
along
the
left
and
the
outer
walkways
or
outdoor
walkways.
That
connect
a
broader
series
of
pathways
on
the
site
in
the
urban
plaza
beyond
on
the
right.
G
G
We
wanted
to
highlight
a
few
overall
floors
of
the
main
hospital
to
give
everyone.
A
broader
context
of
the
vital
functionality
required
for
the
hospital
facility
here
is
the
outline
of
the
main
floor
in
plan.
As
one
enters
a
front.
Concourse
is
designed
to
develop
an
ease-of-way
finding
with
the
main
tower
elevator
lobbies
on
either
end
a
central
light.
Well,
orders
the
space
and
allows
for
daylight
to
penetrate
at
the
center
of
the
podium
floors.
G
Next
slide,
please
this.
The
second
floor
is
the
interventional
platform,
where
some
of
the
most
complex
surgical
procedures
in
the
region
will
occur.
The
driving
program
element
that
sets
the
footprint
for
the
facility
to
ensure
for
optimal
efficiency
in
a
post-pandemic
reality,
and
here
you
see
that
in
yellow,
hopefully
clear
with
some
of
those
long
arrows
in
either
direction.
G
Each
tower
floor
is
designed
to
accommodate
a
precise
number
of
single
patient
rooms
developed
in
pods
that
relate
to
staffing
ratios
and
the
requirement
for
associated
services
in
a
manner
that
can
be
fully
segregated
for
flows
during
a
pandemic.
This
also
drives
the
footprint
and
the
configuration
of
the
building
itself
next
slide,
please.
G
So
as
such
a
hospital
integrated
into
such
a
wonderful
site
like
this,
creates
an
amazing
opportunity
to
further
evidence-based
medicine
through
access
to
views
for
patients
to
nature
proven
to
reduce
length
of
stays
here.
You'll
see
arrows
coming
out
of
the
the
facility
itself
and
the
view
from
some
of
those
higher
levels
of
the
patient
towers
both
to
daos
lake
and
to
the
dominion
arboretum
beyond
next
slide.
Please
and
of
course,
not
only
to
the
east
but
to
the
west,
to
the
farm
and
to
the
south
back
to
the
farm
here
as
well.
G
The
key
for
the
team
is
very
much
a
biophilic
approach
to
design
one
that
is
rooted
within
the
natural
realm
and
offers
access
and
views
to
green
space.
This
aspect
so
key
to
healing
in
the
21st
century
next
slide.
Please,
and
to
conclude
here,
you
should
see
in
a
moment
how
early
ideas,
from
the
main
plaza
integrate
into
the
landscape
preserving
and
enveloping
around
the
escarpment
of
mature
trees.
G
The
master
plan
also
looks
to
the
future
of
care,
with
the
development
of
an
innovation
center
at
the
corner
of
preston
and
carling
mixed-use
buildings
that
activate
the
street
front
along
carling,
including
the
integration
of
the
o
train
station
and
the
development
of
research
in
this
academic
health
sciences
site,
and
if
you
could
advance
to
the
last
slide.
B
All
right,
thank
you
so
much
jason
and
cameron
in
virginia.
I
know
joanne
was
getting
some
feedback,
so
we
didn't
hear
from
her,
but
that's
that's
okay.
We
appreciate
your
presentation
and
virginia's
got
our
camera
sorted
out,
so
we
can
see
we
can
see
virginia.
So
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
We
will
get
back
to
you
after
we
go
through
the
delegations
which
we
will
get
into
right
now.
M
M
A
group
of
18
politicians
made
a
political
decision
and
declared
the
dalles
lake
site
to
be
the
hospital
site.
However,
you
have
never
been
given
the
opportunity
to
approve
or
disprove
of
the
daos
lake
location,
it's
not
appropriate
to
bypass
planning
committee
with
a
decision
that
will
affect
the
city
of
ottawa
for
a
century.
M
It
is
not
a
done
deal.
It
is
your
responsibility
to
approve
or
reconsider
that
location
for
the
hospital.
I
respectfully
ask
you
to
reject
the
dao's
lake
location
for
the
better
lower
cost
location
at
connie's.
Pasture,
the
assistant
to
counselor
kits
told
me
that
graham
bird
met
with
counselors
at
the
end
of
august
and
told
them
that
the
location
was
a
done
deal
when
I
told
her
that
bird
is
a
project
manager
for
the
ottawa
hospital
location
at
dallas
lake,
she
replied
quote:
this
is
a
conflict
of
interest.
Unquote.
M
Graham
bird
is
both
earning
from
his
company's
position
for
the
hospital
and
also
advising
counselors.
They
must
submit
to
that
choice
of
location.
My
contention
is
that
the
site
will
have
much
higher
costs
than
the
recommended
chinese
pasture
location.
Your
decision
will
have
major
cost
implications
for
taxpayers
your
constituents.
M
I
urge
you
to
take
a
hard
look
at
the
costs,
as
well
as
other
major
problems
of
the
dalles
lake
site
exercise
your
independent
judgment
for
the
benefit
of
your
constituents
and
ottawa
as
the
nation's
capital.
There's
little
information
on
the
costs
at
dalles
lake.
I've
asked
for
cost
information
from
the
mayor
who
directed
me
to
city
planners
who
directed
me
to
joann
reed,
chief
planning
and
development
office
of
the
ottawa
hospital.
She
gave
me
no
information.
M
Counselor
ludov
graciously
forwarded
my
inquiry
to
graham
byrd,
but
he
did
not
reply.
I
asked
the
fedco
for
financial
information,
but
was
advised
it
is
not
on
their
agenda.
Counselor
dudas
staff
advised
quote
just
as
background
information.
The
ottawa
hospital
is
responsible
for
fundraising
the
700
million
dollars,
which
they
have
stated
they
plan
to
do
through
both
fundraising
as
well
as
revenues
such
as
parking,
retail
and
food
arrangements,
etc.
End
of
quote
the
20,
the
2.8
billion
cost
estimate
has
been
in
place
and
not
updated
for
years.
M
Oakville's
new
hospital
of
1.6
million
square
feet
was
built
six
years
ago
at
a
cost
of
2.7
billion.
The
new
civic
is
900
000
square
feet
larger,
but
does
the
committee
have
any
idea
of
the
actual
cost
of
this
master
plan?
The
outdated
estimate
of
2.8
billion
does
not
include
dealing
with
the
slope.
M
The
earthquake
fault
line
the
site
remediation
or
any
of
the
details
of
the
actual
master
plan,
the
cost
of
the
garage,
the
cost
of
moving
the
lrt
station,
the
cost
of
potentially
widening
roads
for
thousands
of
people
working
at
the
enzo,
the
cost
of
improving
the
water,
sewer
and
hydro
lines
to
accommodate
the
hospital,
the
cost
of
potential
new
417
interchange
work.
These
costs
would
be
lower
at
the
tony's
pastures
site.
The
hospital
is
expected
to
contribute
700
000
over
25
percent
of
the
budget.
M
It's
entirely
unrealistic,
considering
the
amount
the
hospital
has
raised
in
past
years
and
what
is
the
plan
to
find
the
much
needed
local
money
when
the
costs
inevitably
escalate
and
when
the
hospital
finds
it
cannot
meet
its
fundraising
targets?
I
believe
the
planning
committee
members
must
realize
that
additional
costs
will
be
repaid
by
the
city
of
ottawa,
taxpayers
and,
in
conclusion,
I
urge
planning
committee
to
send
the
master
site
plan
back
to
the
drawing
board
until
all
costs
have
been
reviewed
and
updated
and
compared
with
the
ncc's
recommended
site
at
tony's
pasture.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
Any
questions
to
mr
lohmer
on
the
master
site
plan,
councilor
bernard.
K
Thanks
very
much
chair
thanks,
mr
loma,
for
your
presentation.
I
think
you've
keyed
in
on
one
of
the
main
points,
and
that
is
the
cost.
K
I've
seen
different
figures
from
media
reports
and
how
the
partnership
may
work
to
try
to
get
more
costs
associated
with
that
700
million,
but
I
also
understand
the
city
will
be
on
the
hook
for
significant
amount
of
costs
here,
and
I'm
just
wondering
in
your
exploration
for
costs
and
how
much
the
city
might
be
paying
in
in
this
case.
M
I
wish
I
had
an
answer
for
you,
counselor
no
one
has
given
me
any
information
on
in
response
to
my
many
questions
about
costs.
It
seems
to
be
a
question:
that's
not
even
considered,
but
we're
we're
facing
a
very
unusual
site
with
a
lot
of
unusual
features
and
requirements,
and
also
this
figure
of
2.8
billion
dollars
is
maybe
five
years
old.
No
one
has
even
considered
what
it
is
now
in
view
of
the
actual
plan
presented
as
part
of
the
master
site
plan.
M
J
Sorry,
my
name
is
marcel
stevens,
also
known
as
mercy
stevens.
That's
okay!
I'm
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
ottawa
hospital,
the
care
that
I
received
after
my
accident
of
january
11
with
the
level
one
trauma
center
at
the
ottawa
hospital
was
incredible.
The
hospital
itself,
pacific
campus,
is
old.
I
J
Noticed
that
when
I
was
in
the
hospital
that
some
of
the
rooms
didn't
accommodate
wheelchair
accessibility.
I
As
as
easily
as.
J
It
would
be
in
a
new
hospital.
I,
the
accident
that
I
was
in,
nobody
could
have
prevented
it.
I
couldn't
take
a
pill.
I
couldn't
go
to
the
gym
and
work
out
to
prevent
it.
It's
something
that
we
need.
We
need
a
hospital
with
state-of-the-art.
B
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
to
be
here
today.
We
have
a
question
for
you
from
councillor
gower.
C
Not
a
question
I
just
wanted
to
say:
welcome,
marcy,
it's
great
to
see
you
and
thanks
for
joining
us
this
morning
and
sharing
your
feedback.
B
And
then,
after
you
cook,
shank
sorry,
I
was
supposed
to
do
this
after
the
crookshank.
We
have
dr
ghihei
bear
stephanie
strudwick
and
karen
wright
are
the
three
speakers.
After
neil
coxshank.
N
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
Can
you
hear
me,
I
can
hear
you
and
you
have
five
minutes.
Thank
you
very
much
good
morning.
So
my
name
is
neil
crookshank,
I'm
a
phd
student
and
I
also
work
as
a
consultant,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
committee
for
allowing
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
today.
So
I'm
happy
that
ottawa
is
planning
to
get
a
new
hospital,
but
I'm
extremely
concerned
about
the
impact
on
the
proposed
location.
N
I
share
all
the
concerns
that
you've
heard
and
you
I'm
sure
you
will
hear
about
selecting
the
experimental
farm
to
be
the
site
for
the
new
ottawa
civic
hospital,
but
I'd
like
to
focus
on
just
one
aspect,
which
is
the
50
acre
campus
footprint,
so
an
important
criterion
for
selecting
the
experimental
farm
as
its
size
ottawa
has
few
sites
large
enough
to
accommodate
the
proposed
hospital.
N
What
we
see
from
the
site
plan
is
that
it's
intended
to
be
a
large
campus,
taking
full
advantage
of
the
available
green
field.
Now
I
know
that
hospitals
are
specialized
buildings
with
critical
design
constraints,
but
I
also
know
that
there
are
many
examples
of
efficient
modern
health
sciences.
Centers
that
occupy
a
much
smaller
footprint
than
what
the
new
ottawa
hospital
claims
is
necessary.
I
can
point
to
mcgill
university
health
center,
the
new
saint
paul's
hospital
in
vancouver
or
new
york
presbyterians.
Just
some
of
many
examples.
N
These
are
hospitals
that
fulfill
a
wide
range
of
research,
education
and
surgical
needs
and
also
have
capacity
that
meets
or
exceeds
the
proposed
number
of
beds
for
the
new
civic.
They
are
examples
of
how
a
modern
health
sciences
center
can
be
designed
and
constructed
without
excessive
land
use.
So
my
point
is
that
the
new
civic
can
be
built
on
a
much
smaller
footprint
and
the
more
we
reduce
the
sprawl,
the
less
the
impact
on
the
farm,
and
we
can
avoid
the
inevitability
of
destroying
ottawa's
green
space.
N
N
We
should
recognize
and
value
the
direct
and
holistic
benefits
of
our
green
space.
I'm
pretty
sure
we
need
a
new
hospital,
but
I
am
utterly
certain
that
we
need
our
urban
park
land
and
while
there
are
many
places
we
can
put
hospitals,
particularly
if
we
reduce
the
sprawl.
The
same
is
not
true
for
urban
green
space.
N
It's
good
they're
going
to
adopt
lead,
but
I've
worked
on
a
major
p3
project
in
ottawa,
and
I
know
that,
while
lead
measures
are
nice
to
have
they
in
no
way
compensate
for
the
damage
done
by
cutting
clearing
digging
and
paving,
and
we
can
be
sure
that
the
environmental
impacts
will
extend
much
further
than
the
boundaries
of
the
site,
as
shown
on
the
site
plan.
If
we
put
a
sprawling
50-acre
campus
in
ottawa
central
park,
the
damage
will
be
considerable
and
irrecoverable.
N
I
know
what
biophilic
means.
This
is
not
that
in
this
day
and
age,
with
evidence
of
an
environmental
crisis
all
around
us,
it
is
frankly
jaw-dropping
to
know
that
people
would
willfully
decide
to
place
the
new
hospital
in
a
location
and
with
a
proposed
scope,
guaranteed
to
do
the
greatest
possible
environmental
damage.
I'm
aghast,
but
in
my
experience,
destructive
actions
are
often
caused
by
single-mindedness
and
over-commitment.
N
N
C
N
K
Very
much
chair-
and
I
think
the
point
because
we're
sticking
to
the
the
site
itself
today
under
the
master
site
plan
conditions-
and
I
hope
we
do
that
for
all
delegations
we're
all
on
a
modern
hospital.
But
this
is
really
the
question
and
you've
raised
an
interesting
point
about
how
much
of
the
space
is
taken
up
on
this
site.
K
This
is
a
huge
site.
I
guess
the
question
to
you.
I've
got
a
couple.
One
would
be.
Were
you
aware
that
that
other
designs
had
been
completed
for
this
site
that
placed
the
main
buildings,
the
main
hospital
buildings
closer
to
the
lrt
path?
Did
you
did
you
know
that?
No?
I
was
not
aware
of
that.
Okay,
and
were
you
aware
previously
that
there
was
a
promise
made
by
the
hospital
that
the
parking
garage
would
be
buried.
N
No,
I
wasn't
aware
of
that
either.
There's
lots
of
technology
you've
got
high-speed,
high-capacity
elevators.
You've
got
automated
underground
parking.
I
know
that
with
ottawa
with
the
leader,
clay,
underground
parking
can
be
a
bit
of
a
cost,
but
you
know,
as
as
a
previous
speaker
said,
they're
already
committing
to
a
vast
sums
of
money,
certainly
out
of
the
realistic
scope
for
this
project,
so
I
think
underground
parking
for
sure.
K
Okay-
and
I
guess
my
last
question
to
you
is:
have
you
seen
the
the
dive
and
shows
how
much
because
it's
pretty
right
now,
you
see
the
green
on
top
of
the
parking
garage.
You
know
and
we
hope
we
can
go
grow
trees
up
there,
but
we're
not
sure
because
of
the
depth
they
need.
K
Have
you
seen
the
diagram
that
shows
how
much
in
red
is
actually
hard
scape
that
will
cover
the
site,
which
is
about
a
little
less
than
two-thirds
of
it
for
a
vehicle's
parking
above
ground?
Have
you
seen
that
diagram
where
here's
the
remaining
green
space
of
this
site,
here's
the
hardscaping
that
will
be
coming
in.
N
K
Okay,
I
appreciate
that
appreciate
your
delegation,
especially
the
point
about
many
of
the
new
modern
hospitals
being
built
on
a
fraction
of
the
site
and
what
we
could
do
here
with
the
maintenance
of
green's
precious
green
space
in
our
core,
while
still
having
a
very
modern
multi
hundred
into
the
thousands
of
beds,
as
other
hospitals
have
done.
So.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
cookshank,
thanks
chair.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
I
don't
see
any
questions.
Thank
you,
mr
brookshake,
and
just
to
council
bernard.
I
don't,
as
I
said
at
the
start,
I'm
not
going
to
be
cutting
off
any
delegations,
I'd
like
them
to
to
be
focused
on
on
on
message,
but
I
know
that
many
of
them
prepared
to
be
here
today
to
say
what
they're
saying,
so
I
don't
intend
to
to
cut
off
delegations.
O
I'm
discovering
new
features
of
zoom.
I
apologize
all
right
so
good
morning.
I
want
to
attend.
I
I
want
to
thank
the
members
of
the
committee
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
on
behalf
of
my
hospital,
my
department
and
my
team
in
support
of
the
proposed
new
civic
hospital
development.
O
I
would
put
it
to
you
that
it
has
affected
our
frontline
workers
to
an
even
greater
extent
and
serve
to
unravel
the
limitations
and
challenges
of
our
existing
century-old
hospital.
Our
emergency
department
was
renovated
in
2003
adjoined
to
the
main
aging
building
and
built
to
treat
sixty
thousand
patients
sixty
thousand
patients
a
year.
O
You've
been
hearing
in
media
about
how
we
need
to
resolve
the
problem
of
hallway
medicine,
that
is,
care
delivered
in
hallways
conference
rooms,
garages,
cafeterias
and
gyms
and
other
alternate
spaces.
That
is
our
world.
This
issue
is
never
more
acute
than
in
an
overcrowded
emergency
department
trying
to
contain
a
pandemic.
O
This
new
21st
century
hospital
will
solve
the
issues
of
space.
An
emergency
department
designed
and
built
to
accommodate
over
135
000
visits
a
year
rooms
will
not
be
separated
by
curtains
but
separated
by
walls
with
ventilation,
systems
that
contain
the
spread
of
communicable
diseases
and
ensure
patient
comfort,
privacy
and
safety.
O
The
equipment
will
be
state
of
the
art.
The
departmental
design
will
be
planned
around
team
efficiency
and
a
patient
journey
that
focuses
on
comfort
and
safety.
Our
world-class
team
of
doctors
and
nurses
will
have
the
best,
designed
and
equipped
trauma
facility
with
radiologic,
diagnostic
and
interventional
capabilities
within
the
emergency
department
itself.
O
O
Regarding
our
hospital
strategic
location,
it
is
never
more
important
to
be
centrally
located
than
for
trauma
and
stroke
care
with
these
patients
every
minute
and
every
seconds
count.
The
most
severely
injured
sometimes
are
hanging
on
by
a
thread,
and
we
have
the
narrowest
window
of
opportunity
to
intervene
to
save
their
life.
O
We
call
this.
We
call
this
the
golden
hour,
the
narrow
time
window,
to
perform
life-saving
interventions,
after
which
mortality
rises
exponentially
with
stroke
patients,
brain
tissue
is
starving
for
oxygen
and
the
brain
is
at
risk
and
with
every
second,
it
could
mean
the
difference
between
walking
out
of
the
hospital
or
leaving
paralyzed
in
a
wheelchair
swift,
efficient,
highly
skilled
interventions
are
critical
to
survival,
which
can
only
be
delivered
at
the
civic
hospital.
O
That
is
why
the
strategic
location
of
central
placement
within
our
city,
core
and
rapid
accessibility
to
the
greatest
number
of
ottawa
citizens
is
crucial.
The
carling
location
will
answer
that
call.
Finally,
I
want
to
underline
that
the
ottawa
hospital
is
home
to
some
of
the
best
researchers
and
innovators
in
the
country.
O
O
We
know
it
attracts
the
best
and
the
brightest
in
order
to
sustain
this
position,
the
world-class
this
world-class
21st
century
facility
is
needed
to
pave
the
way.
A
state-of-the-art
facility
is
crucial
to
delivering
the
best
care
that
the
citizens
the
citizens
of
ottawa
deserve.
The
time
is
now
this
opportunity
to
lay
the
foundations
for
the
health
care
of
the
future
cannot
be
overstated,
and
the
need
has
never
been
so
great
as
as
revealed
by
this
pandemic.
P
P
Q
Everything
that
that
you
are
asserting.
P
Today,
with
respect
to
the
carling
location
would
have
also
been
in
place
with
the
original
site
across
the
street
from
the
current
ottawa
hospital.
Is
that
would
you.
R
G
R
P
Point
but
thank
you
for
coming
out
and
again
nothing
that
I
disagree
with
yeah.
O
Just
simply
simply
to
add
that
that
you
know
placing
a
site
way
out
west
or
anywhere
else
other
than
the
central
core
is
is,
would
be
detrimental
to
the
people
who
live
at
the
opposite.
End
of
the
city.
B
B
B
M
Okay,
thank
you
I'll
begin.
Centertown
already
has
limited
green
space
and
the
proposed
site
will
take
away
valuable
green
space
today.
I
just
want
to
present
a
win-win
situation.
A
win-win
would
be
tony's
posture,
booth,
street,
complex
or
lebreton
flats
for
reconsideration.
M
So
I
am
speaking
to
you
all
in
the
hopes
of
a
true
win-win,
a
win
to
protect
the
valuable
current
site
to
be
completely
reconsidered
from
youth,
so
this
precious
land
can
be
preserved
and
enjoyed
for
many
years
from
now
and
a
win,
a
very
important
win
where
an
alternative
site
can
be
considered
for
this
much
needed
and
much
appreciated
state-of-the-art
hospital,
an
alternative
site
to
be
chosen
which
will
ensure
adequate
space
for
expansion,
particularly
in
the
years
to
come,
as
the
city
continues
to
grow.
M
Tony's,
as
a
site
would
have
ample
space
for
expansion
such
as
an
on-site
hotel
that
would
accommodate
visitors
to
the
new
campus,
assuming
the
new
campus
moved
there.
So
that's
pretty
well
wrapped
it
up.
For
me,
I
would
say
that
lebreton
flats
boost
street
complex
and
tony's
be
reconsidered,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
the
few
minutes
or
two
minutes
that
you've
listened
to
me.
Thank
you
for
your
time
this
morning
and
that's
that's
it.
Thank
you.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
So,
as
you
know,
we
aren't
considering
location
today,
but
I
will
say
that
councilor
brockington
did
have
a
motion
at
the
start
of
this
meeting.
That
will
be
considered
by
planning
committee
that
speaks
to
the
preservation
and
seeks
federal
legislation
to
protect
the
area
surrounding
the
master
site
plan
to
ensure
that
that
encroachment
that
you
are
concerned
about
doesn't
occur
in
the
future
so
that
that
did
come
up.
Counselor
lieber
has
a
question
for
you,
though,.
C
Thank
you
very
much,
and
thanks
for
the
presentation,
you
started
your
presentation
by
talking
about
the
lack
of
green
space
in
center
town,
I'm
guessing
that
you've
taken
a
careful
look
at
at
this
proposal,
in
which
there
is
a
green
roof
proposed
for
the
four-story
parking
garage,
which
has
been
asserted
to
us
to
be
a
replacement
for
the
public
realm
green
space.
That
is
currently
there.
How?
How
do
you
react
to
that
assertion?
How
do
you
feel
the
green
roof
or
places
or
not
the
the
current
park.
M
Not
even
close,
I
mean
we're
the
capital
of
a
country
and
we
all
know
the
tour
buses
go
through
there.
It's
not
just
the
west
center
town
or
hintonburg
or
glebe
residents
that
enjoy
that
space.
You
look
at
the
tulip
festival.
We
have
tourists
from
all
over
the
world
that
enjoy
that
driveway
that
enjoy
that
space,
putting
a
hospital
there
just
eradicates
that
I
mean
they
can
put
something
up
on
top
of
a
roof,
but
let's
face
it,
we're
not
stupid.
M
I
mean
it's
not
even
close
to
the
beauty
that
exists
there
now
and
my
concern
is:
what's
it
going
to
look
like
in
100
years.
I
mean
we
want
to
preserve
that
for
the
great
great
grandchildren
that
have
not
been
born
in
this
city
yet
and
we
are
gradually
expanding
every
day,
the
population
of
this
city.
M
We
need
a
really
good
space
like
tony's
pasture,
where
we
can,
you
know,
have
on-site
places
for
out-of-town
doctors
and
nurses
to
stay
and
and
a
hotel,
a
good
sized
hotel
that
will,
you
know,
allow
visitors
to
get
those
valuable
treatments.
They
cannot
get
it
home.
C
Okay,
mr
trump,
I
know
we're
we're
not
talking
about
location
today,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
perspective
on
the
utility
of
that
that
green
space.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
A
Thank
you
stephanie
for
your
comments.
We
now
move
to
a
delegation
from
karen
wright
from
the
civic
hospital
neighborhood
association.
L
Yes,
hello.
Thank
you
and
good
morning,
our
neighborhood,
the
civic
hospital
neighborhood,
extends
from
the
o
train
trillium
line
to
island
park,
drive
from
carling
avenue
to
the
417..
L
We
support
a
well-planned
and
thoughtful
development
of
a
new
civic
campus.
However,
the
revised
traffic
impact
assessment
and
other
application
documents
still
do
not
address
numerous
specific
concerns
of
our
association.
Therefore,
we
request
the
holding
zone
provision
placed
on
the
property
not
be
lifted
until
additional
conditions
are
applied.
L
We
have
we
request
the
following:
eight
conditions
for
the
lifting
of
the
provisions
number
one:
the
provision
of
funds
for
the
study,
consultation
and
implementation
of
local
traffic
mitigation.
That
funding
should
be
provided
by
the
city
or
the
applicant
for
a
comprehensive
study
and
implementation
of
local
traffic
mitigation
strategies.
L
L
The
second
related
motion
is
to
conduct
a
neighborhood
traffic
trans
traffic
management
study
and,
more
importantly,
implement
strategies
to
mitigate
infiltration
of
traffic.
L
The
application
should
include
an
evaluation
of
neighborhood
traffic
management
needs
with
the
intent
of
mitigating
infiltration
of
traffic
generated
by
the
new
campus.
Those
strategies
should
be
implemented
before
the
new
campus
opens
to
ensure
foreseeable
issues
are
prevented.
This
view
was
supported
by
an
independent
peer
review
conducted
by
the
chna
by
garrett,
donahue,
a
professional
engineer,
transportation
engineer
at
end
globe
corp.
L
L
Please
note
there
is
no
accounting
in
the
tia
for
the
traffic
impact
due
to
the
ongoing
operations
at
the
existing
civic
campus
and
the
heart
institute.
We
support
counseling
leapers
motion
in
this
regard.
Number
three
we
wish
to
improve
the
auto
driver
share
analysis
to
be
more
accurately
forecasting.
L
The
assumptions
for
the
projected
reduction
of
auto
driver
share
from
the
existing
85
percent
to
50
percent
and
later
35
percent
appear
to
be
optimistic
and
based
on
a
flawed
argument
and
should
be
restated
with
accurate
data.
The
range
of
the
auto
drive
share
estimates
from
ranges
from
88
to
nine
percent
in
the
tia.
This
alone
speaks
to
the
weakness
of
the
current
analysis.
L
The
provision
of
adequate
on-site
parking
is
therefore
highly
questionable
and
likely
inaccurate
number
four
integrated,
lrt
the
applicant
commit
should
commit
to
providing
an
lrt
station
connection
via
either
below
ground
connection
to
the
existing
station
or
below
ground
connection
to
extended
platforms
under
carling
avenue.
On
the
south
side
of
carling,
we
do
not
support
a
pedestrian
walk
over
over
carling
modal
share
projections
will
not
be
attained
without
this
commitment.
M
S
L
L
We
ask
that
the
toh
commits
to
submitting
to
the
province
an
application
to
move
that
sign
and
we
support
councillor
leeper's
motion
in
this
regard
and
finally,
number
eight,
a
transportation
monitoring
oversight
committee.
The
owner
has
agreed
to
our
request
to
create
a
transportation
monitoring
program
with
terms
to
be
determined.
However,
we
are
restating
our
request
that
the
program
includes
represent
representatives
of
local
community
associations.
L
I
think
it's
been
very
challenging
for
the
community
and
for
the
councillors.
Everyone
acknowledges
that
we
have
increased
challenges
as
the
city
intensifies.
However,
the
budgets
that
each
counselor
has
for
traffic
mitigation
are
extremely
limited,
so
in
fact,
critical
intervention
is
typically
not
seen
nor
possible.
That's
why
we're
really
asking
for
additional
proactive
studies
so
that
we
know
where
the
problems
will
be,
and,
secondly,
some
funding
to
ensure
that
the
mitigation
actually
happens.
C
A
Thank
you
thank
you
and
thank
you
councillor.
Leeper.
Are
there
any
more
questions
for
miss
wright,
seeing
none
thank
you,
and
our
next
delegate
is
paul.
Serrat
of
the
daos
lakes
residents
association.
D
Thank
you
very
much
eric.
Could
you
pull
up
the
powerpoint
that
we
sent
you
and
just
for
everyone
on
the
call?
We've
got
one
powerpoint
with
with
for
three
speakers
here
great
thanks,
very
much,
I'm
starting
my
five
minutes
now,
if
that's
okay,
great,
my
name
is
paul
ceret,
I'm
a
resident
of
dalles
lake,
which
is
a
pretty
beautiful,
800
meter,
walk
through
commissioner's
park
from
the
new
civic
hospital
proposed
site
and
I'm
a
member
of
the
residents
association
here
on
the
special
committee.
D
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
really
appreciate
all
the
work
that's
been
done
both
by
state
city
staff,
the
hospital
and
counselors
very
much
appreciate
the
additional
motions
that
have
been
brought
by
a
number
of
counselors
as
well.
So
thank
you
to
everyone
further
for
their
work,
just
one
point
right
off
the
the
top
for
us.
This
is
not
a
question
of
whether
one
is
pro
or
against
the
hospital.
It's
a
ridiculous
frame
to
use
ever.
D
I
don't
think
there
are
too
many
people
who
would
say
no,
we
we
wouldn't
benefit
from
a
new
hospital.
The
question
here
is
getting
it
right
and
we
agree
with
many
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
expressed,
including
about
site
selection,
but
we're
going
to
leave
that
to
the
side
as
per
the
instructions
and
we're
going
to
follow
in
karen
wright's
vein
in
terms
of
talking
about
some
of
the
impacts
on
the
adjacent
communities
and
ask
in
fact
I'll
even
use.
D
The
word
beg
we'll
beg
this
committee
to
please
hear
them
and
to
please
put
into
action
some
steps
that
will
help
mitigate
the
the
the
worst
of
the
possible
effects.
So
the
new
civic
hospital
is
going
to
essentially
add
the
population
of
white
horse
in
the
middle
of
a
dense,
downtown
neighborhood,
and
I
think
the
impacts
on
adjacent
neighborhoods
are
going
to
be
significant.
I'm
going
to
speak
primarily
about
the
traffic
or
the
transportation
impacts
and
then
fell.
D
Some
of
my
fellow
residents
will
speak
about
a
number
of
of
the
other
issues.
Essentially,
what
we
want
to
say
is
that
the
city
has
a
fiduciary
and
moral
responsibility
to
ensure
that
the
development
of
the
hospital
is
done
correctly
and
that
it
doesn't
ask
some
residents
to
bear
an
unfair
burden
for
something
that
will
be
for
the
good
of
the
city
overall.
D
So
we're
basically
asking
you
to
ideally
not
lift
the
holding
conditions
until
these
issues
have
been
addressed
to
at
the
very
least
guarantee
that
you
will
work
with
the
neighborhood
associations
and
support
some
of
the
motions
that
have
been,
I
would
say,
all
of
the
emotions
that
have
been
proposed.
So
let
me
just
run
you
through
a
couple
of
our
concerns
about
transportation.
D
It's
hard
to
get
a
real
handle
on
some
of
the
figures,
but
it
seems
like
there's,
potentially
20
000
predicted
daily
visits
to
the
hospital
when
it
opens
rising
to
35
000..
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
100
correct
in
all
of
the
documents,
because
it's
a
bit
of
a
moving
target
but
they're
going
to
be
very
highly
predictable
and
sorry.
If
you
can
flip
forward
on
the
powerpoint
slide
there
eric
about
three
slides.
Sorry,
I'm
not
used
to
being
able
to
do
that,
one
more
and
then
one
more.
Thank
you.
D
The
highly
predictable
impacts
of
the
new
hospital
are
going
to
be
to
create
increased
volume
of
traffic
as
well
as
much
more
intensity
in
terms
of
the
speeding
running
red
lights,
etc,
etc.
D
That
we
see
on
the
main
arteries
such
as
bronson
carl
and
queen
elizabeth
number,
one
number
two
significant
increase
likely
in
volume
of
cut
through
traffic
and
the
increased
frequency
and
intensity
of
speeding
and
running,
stop
signs
and
then
on
the
residential
streets,
potentially
becoming
de
facto
over
folk
parking
for
the
new
hospital.
D
In
many
of
the
ways
that
I
think
the
current
civic
hospital
neighborhood
have
seen,
given
that
it's
a
community
with
a
lot
of
seniors
and
a
lot
of
children,
this
we
believe,
will
create
significant
dangers
both
to
pedestrians,
cyclists
residents,
visitors
and
drivers
who
are
coming
in
and
out.
We
feel
like
the
tia
and
the
kind
of
consultation
so
far
has
failed
to
consult
us
robustly
and
thus
have
largely
ignored.
Many
of
our,
I
think
very
justifiable
concerns
next
side.
Please!
D
So
we're
not
just
here
to
complain
like
karen
wright's
suggestions.
We
believe
that
there
are
lots
of
ways
that
if
the
hospital
goes
there,
these
issues
can
be
mitigated.
You
can
reduce
the
dangers
due
to
cut
through
traffic,
endows
like
with
a
variety
of
mechanisms.
You
can
reduce
the
dangers
of
the
increased
volume
and
speed
on
traffic.
Thank
you.
D
Through
a
variety
of
mechanisms,
you
can
use
parking
restrictions
to
make
sure
that
we
do
not
become
a
de
facto
overflow
parking
lot
and
then
we
believe
that
there
are
a
wide
variety
of
policies
that
we
can
use,
that
the
city
can
use
to
encourage
public
transportation
and
real-time,
transparent
and
publicly
available
data,
so
that
we
can
identify
problems
when
they
actually
happen
last
side,
please.
D
So,
basically,
what
we're
saying
is
it's
easy
to
dismiss
these
kind
of
concerns
as
nimbyism?
We
don't
believe
they
are.
We
believe
any
resident
in
the
city
who
was
faced
with
significant
impacts
like
this,
would
ask
city
council
to
live
up
to
their
responsibility
and
make
sure
all
of
these
issues
are
addressed
before
construction
begins
and
not
after
the
fact
last
two
seconds.
D
So
we're
asking
you
to
number
one
not
raise
the
or
not
lift
the
holding
conditions
and
number
two,
if
you
do
that,
you
absolutely
guarantee
that
you
work
with
neighborhood
associations
and
concerned
residents
to
achieve
to
address
these
issues
and
many
of
the
motions
that
I
heard
for
the
first
time
this
morning.
We
support
strongly
and
we
would
love
to
have
them
passed
and
a
statement
of
commitment
and
principle
that
you
will
work
to
address
these
issues.
Thank
you
very
much
really
appreciate
it.
K
Thanks
very
much
chair
and
sorry,
I
got
kicked
out
of
the
meeting
there,
just
the
very
last
second,
and
then
just
just
came
back
in
so
I
missed
the
last
minute,
but
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
being
here
and
and
ask
you
to
get
a
little
bit
more
specific.
If
you
could
paul
and
I'm
not
seeing
your
picture
anymore,
hopefully
you
can
still.
Oh
there
we
go
again.
K
My
computer
may
be
lagging
a
bit
here,
but
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
get
a
bit
more
specific
about
some
of
the
concerns
in
the
neighborhood.
So
I
imagine
overflow
parking
is,
is
a
concern
where
there's
there's
cheap,
free
parking,
essentially
or
no
charge
parking
on
those
streets
in
this
area.
You
know
parking
hours,
the
cut-through
potential
in
this
area.
I
just
want
to
get
into
some
more
details.
K
If
you
can
of
of
what
specifically
those
those
concerns,
are
I
imagine
from
seeing
the
documents
you
had
sent
me
previously
as
well,
that
some
of
the
modal
share
that
the
city
is
saying
can
take
place
is
a
concern
given
where
some
of
those
transit
facilities
are
located
and
the
lack
of
access
for
some
of
the
other
facilities
like
cycling
and
transit
into
the
site,
which,
of
course,
we
have
emotions
on.
So
if
you
could
just
get
a
bit
more
specific,
that
would
be
helpful.
D
Absolutely
thank
you
very
much.
I'd
bucket
our
concerns
into
kind
of
two
two
main
buckets.
One
is
about
safety
and
real
danger,
and
the
other
one
is
about
significant
inconveniences
on
the
danger
front.
It's
it's
certainly
the
volume,
the
intensity
of
traffic
on
both
the
arterial
streets
and
the
residential
streets,
and
there
I
think
we
just
have
lots
of
evidence
from
previous.
D
You
know
changes
in
traffic
dynamics
in
terms
of
the
impact
on
this
and
other
neighborhoods,
where
you
know
we're
just
going
to
see
a
lot
more
traffic,
but
we're
going
to
see
a
lot
more
speeding
and
we're
going
to
see
a
lot
more
running
of
the
red
lights.
I
think
it's
totally
plausible
to
imagine
a
lot
of
people
who
want
to
get
to
the
hospital
are
going
to
be
feeling
a
lot
of
urgency
and
therefore
they
will
look
for
ways
around
the
kind
of
speeding
limits,
etc,
etc.
So
there's
a
series.
D
So
we
have
concerns
that
you
know
both
on
bronson,
which
is
already
dangerous
for
cyclists.
Pedestrians,
especially
for
seniors
and
kids
kids
have
to
cross
that
every
day
several
times
to
get
to
school.
Many
glee,
residents
and
city
of
ottawa
residents
crossed
on
the
other
way
to
get
into
the
park,
but
also
cut
through
traffic,
which
are
already
exists,
and
it
happens
at
a
fairly
high
speed.
D
So
we're
worried
that
this
is
going
to
be
exacerbated
significantly
and
therefore
we
would
want
to
work
with
the
the
city
to
create
a
variety
of
strong
incentives
to
make
sure
that
that
doesn't
happen.
That's
number
one
number
two.
Obviously
the
inconvenience
is
more
on
the
parking
I
mean,
and
there
it's
it's
quite
linked.
As
you
said
to
we
have
significant
questions.
As
as
karen
wright
raised
about
the
modal
assumptions,
I
mean
the
tia
itself
clearly
says
that
the
modal
assumptions
are
are
optimistic.
They
I
believe
they
use.
D
The
word
may
not
be
desirable,
given
that
they
don't
even
remotely
come
close
to
what
the
existing
civic
hospital
is
experiencing
and
therefore
our
concerns
on
that
would
be.
We
would
want
to
see
a
lot
more
thinking
about
how
to
manage
the
parking,
how
to
highlight
and
really
push
public
transportation
make
it
accessible
make
it
something
make
it
easy
to
get
there
without
using
a
car,
and
so
some
of
it
is
saying.
Well,
we
don't
want
to
be
a.
D
We
don't
want
to
be
a
an
overflow
parking
lot
for
the
for
the
hospital
you
guys
are.
The
hospital
is
designing
this
from
scratch.
It's
entirely
predictable.
You
have
the
experience
of
the
old
civic
hospital
to
guide
us.
It's
not
going
to
be
any
surprise
that
this
happens.
It's
just
straightforward
incentives.
D
What
is
very
surprising
is
that
we
wouldn't
plan
for
this
and
address
it
better
at
this
point,
and
so
that's
why
it's
not
a
pro
hospital
versus
anti-hospital,
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
the
site
discussion.
It
is
a
question
of
let's
do
it
smart
and
surely
we
can
do
a
little
bit
better
than
this
instead
of-
and
you
know,
just
our
experience
has
been-
we've
been
told.
Well,
there's
other
opportunities.
D
I
understand
there
are
other
opportunities
to
get
into
this,
but
why
wouldn't
you
come
up
with
a
better
kind
of
approach,
even
at
a
high
level
and
a
strong
set
of
commitments
right
now
at
the
very
minimum?
The
motions
that
have
been
described
that
have
been
introduced
seem
like
very
strong
and
reasonable
ways
to
address
some
of
these
things.
D
K
K
Specifics
there's
a
lot
of
things
here
that
should
be
changing,
but
on
the
transportation
side,
I
hope
that
you'll
consider
as
an
individual
and
as
a
representative
of
that
community,
taking
part
in
what
what
should
be
the
hospital
engaging
in
the
transportation
impact
assessment
within
the
neighborhoods.
They
say
they're
going
to
be
doing
that
the
city
is
giving
that
responsibility
to
them.
The
hospital
will
have
to
decide,
which
is
why
we
phrase
the
emotions.
K
We
have
the
way
we
have
today,
so
they
need
to
be
open
to
to
that,
and
I
guess
we'll
have
to
ask
that
question
of
them
later
on
today,
thanks
paul
for
your
delegation,
thanks
chair.
A
And
thank
you
councillor
menard.
We
also
have
questions
from
councillor
dudes.
L
More
of
a
mention
of
appreciation,
your
the
circumstances
as
they
are,
will
be
impactful
in
the
surrounding
community,
and
I
very
much
appreciate
you
coming
to
committee
and
taking
the
time
to
not
only
share
them,
but
in
a
very
as
you
even
use.
The
word
constructive
manner
speak
to
the
need
for
a
proactive
approach
to
this.
L
So
I
wanted
to
thank
you
for
that,
because
I
think
that,
regardless
of
what
the
end
result
is
whether
the
whole
stays
on
or
off
to
have
a
proactive
approach
and
to
make
sure
that
parking
is
addressed
and
traffic
is
addressed
and
any
of
the
implications
of
the
increased
use
of
that
site
on
the
community
and
the
surrounding
community
is
completely
valuable
and,
as
you
said,
predictable,
so
to
get
out
in
front
of
it
is
appreciated.
So
I
just.
R
D
A
Thank
you
counselor,
and
thank
you
paul
for
your
statements
today.
The
next
delegation
is
monica
only
from
also
dao's
lake
residents,
association.
A
And
maybe
a
staff
can
assist
monica
with
fixing
her
sound.
I
think
I
see
joseph
fredericko
from
the
residents
association
also
on
online,
so
maybe
we
go
to
joseph
first
and
then
we
can
return
to
to
monica.
O
Absolutely
thank
you
all
right.
Can
you
hear
me
yep?
Okay,
my
slide
is
the
the
last
one,
the
colorful
one
erica,
if
you
can
move
ahead
to
that,
please.
Thank
you
very
much.
O
Perfect,
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
today.
The
dallas
lake
residents
association
is
fully
supportive
of
a
new
civic
campus
and
a
center
of
excellence
in
care,
but
we
have
serious
concerns
about
the
environmental
impacts
and
we
believe
this
project
will
put
our
values
to
the
test.
O
O
O
O
We
need
to
be
sure
that
we
measure
twice
and
cut
once
the
environment,
air
quality,
rising
temperatures,
the
impact
of
climate
change
on
people,
the
elderly,
those
living
in
high
density
areas,
the
vulnerable,
the
disadvantaged,
the
sincerity
of
land,
acknowledgments,
reconciling
with
our
past
building
a
future.
Healthier
cities
happier
people
dao's,
lake,
environmentally,
sensitive,
ecologically
rich
and
urban
green
space
in
the
middle
of
our
city.
O
This
hospital
will
be
a
major
development
on
federal
lands.
What
is
required
independent?
What
is
required
is
an
independent
environmental
impact
assessment.
Without
one
you
should
not
lift
the
holding
provisions.
I
would
like
now
to
pass
the
camera
to
carmen
sanchez,
president
of
the
dallas
lake
residents
association.
I
O
I
J
A
K
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
sorry
about
my
my
screen.
I
keep
lagging
here,
but
thank
you
so
much
sanchez,
mr
federico,
nice
to
see
you
and
good
presentation.
I
wanted
to
go
further
into
the
environmental
impact
assessment
portion
that
you
had
talked
about.
Obviously
there
is
concern
with
how
much
green
space
will
be
lost
to
paving
over
in
this
area,
and
this
is
a
considered,
a
major
project,
2.8
billion
dollars,
a
major
development
on
federal
lands.
K
So
I
understand
the
hospital
has
put
forward
reports
on
the
environmental
impact
statement,
not
the
same
as
it
as
an
environmental
impact
assessment,
and
I
just
wanted
to
get
further
into
that.
What
details
are
you
aware
of
when
an
environmental
impact
assessment
must
be
done,
and
you
know
your
background
knowledge
on
on
an
environmental
impact
assessment
for
this
site,
in
particular,.
O
Well,
my
understanding
is
that
the
the
environmental
impact
assessment
through
the
impact
agency
of
canada
is
something
that
is,
that
is,
that
is
commonly
done
and
often
even
required
for
a
major
development
on
on
federal
lands,
and
I
think
that
much
of
what
I'm
hearing
throughout
many
of
the
presentations
today,
many
of
those
issues
would
be
captured
by
the
environmental
impact
assessment.
Again,
it
would
be
done
independently
through
the
impact
agency
of
canada.
O
It
would
look
at
many
impacts
that
would
that
would
affect
the
site
itself,
of
course,
the
green
spaces
and
and
the
environment.
It
would
look
at
the
economic
and
environmental
impacts
beyond
beyond
the
site
and
and
and
certainly
looking
at
other
other
elements
in
terms
of
transparency,
predictability,
accountability
and
and
and
obviously
with
a
a
project
of
such
magnitude.
O
I
think
that
all
residents
you
know
are
are
looking
for
those
kinds
of
elements
in
and
and
the
expenditure
of
of
public
funds,
especially
in
the
magnitude
of
the
million
of
millions
of
billions.
Rather,
I
should
say.
K
F
Mr
chairs,
I
can
get
back
to
you
in
in
a
moment.
I
have
preliminary
there's
information
that
the
start
gain
feedback.
F
I
apologize,
I
had
some
feedback
there.
The
federal
government
does
have
to
do
an
environmental
assessment
impact,
so
that's
being
held
at
the
the
federal
level
through
public
works
and
government
services.
F
A
And
in
the
interest
of
time,
would
it
just
make
sense
for
when
we
hear
from
staff
and
ask
staff
questions
to
get
more
of
some
more
detail
around
the
federal
ea
process?.
A
I
think
it
it
would
so
it's
just
good
that
you'll
be
able
to
address
that.
So
I
do
appreciate
staff's
intervention
here
on
that,
and
that
will
hear
more
on
that.
K
Later,
thank
you
chair.
I
appreciate
that
and
appreciate
the
preliminary
information.
Obviously
that's
going
to
be
extremely
important.
This
area
is
sensitive.
There
have
been
a
lot
of
studies
done
here
about
the
sensitivity
of
this
site
next
to
again
a
unesco
world
heritage
site.
So
I
guess,
mr
federico,
thank
you
again
for
your
presentation.
K
I
I
do
think
it
makes
sense
to
to
get
this
right
and
there's
still
a
lot
of
outstanding
issues,
and
that
and
I'm
really
hoping
you
know
our
folks-
make
sure
that
we're
pushing
for
better
on
this,
in
particular
on
the
site
itself,
and
really
appreciate
your
your
intervention
here.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
and
are
there
any
other
questions
for
this
joint
delegation
from
dallas
lakes,
residence
assistant?
Seeing
none
just
wanted
to
see
if
monica
can
interact
with
us
and
provide
her
delegation.
C
L
There
is
significant
lack
of
clarity
regarding
the
realistic
cost
of
the
civic
and
who
is
to
pay
for
what.
Accordingly,
the
city
is
potentially
assuming
a
high
level
of
financial
risk.
So,
given
this
lack
of
information,
lack
of
transparency
and
given
the
potential
high
financial
risk
to
the
city,
let
me
reiterate
that
the
city
should
not
lift
the
holding
provision
at
this
time
next
slide.
Please.
L
Here
we
compare
the
oakville
hospital
which
opened
in
december
2015
to
the
numbers
we
have
for
the
new
civic,
scheduled
to
open
13
years
after
oakville
in
2028.,
as
you'll
see
from
the
slide
oakville
opened
with
340
beds,
we're
expecting
640
beds
on
opening
of
the
new
civic.
Almost
double
oakville
has
1.6
million
square
feet.
Ottawa
is
expected
to
have
2
million
square
feet
at
opening
25
percent.
L
More
than
oatmeal
the
cost
for
the
hospital
at
oakville
was
2.7
billion
dollars
versus
the
estimate
that
we
have
for
the
new
civic
at
2.8
billion
dollars,
a
mere
3.7
percent
higher
than
oakville
at
a
difference
of
13
years,
so
different
metrics,
we
can
look
at
the
oakville
hospital,
have
having
paid
eight
million
dollars
a
bed.
Yes,
that's
8
million
a
bed
or
roughly
1700
a
square
foot,
whereas
the
new
civic
comes
in
at
4.4
million
per
bed
or
1400
a
square
foot
other
numbers
that
are
interesting.
L
The
contribution
from
the
city
of
oakville
for
their
new
hospital
was
a
hundred
and
thirty
million
dollars.
We
do
not
know
what
the
city
of
ottawa
will
contribute
if
anything
in
oakville
there
were
no
increased
city
taxes.
L
L
Because
of
topography,
it
identified
the
need
to
relocate
private
sanitary
infrastructure
and
storm
water
sewers
on
the
farm.
It
identified
significant
flooding
risks
and
a
lower
mooney's
bay
collector
in
the
nepean
bay
trunk,
and
in
addition,
we
know
that
there
will
be
traffic
gridlock
and
congestion
at
key
institute,
key
intersections,
which
will
demand
road
modifications,
signaling
signage,
and
there
will
be
a
need
to
rebuild
bypass
next
slide.
Please.
L
In
conclusion,
there
is
far
too
much
financial
uncertainty
and
vulnerability
for
the
city
to
lift
the
holding
conditions
at
this
time
with
such
incomplete
information.
The
fiscally
responsible
course
of
action
is
to
keep
the
holding
provision
in
place
until
further
information
is
available
and
both
the
city
and
the
hospital
would
be
in
breach
of
their
fiduciary
duties
if
the
holding
provisions
are
lifted.
At
least
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
monica
for
your
delegation.
Are
there
any
questions,
and
I
see
that
counselor
menard
has
raised
his
hand
to
ask
questions.
K
Thanks
very
much
chair
just
very
quickly
thanks
monica
for
that
presentation.
I'm
wondering
do
you
know
if,
if
oakville,
when
they
were
deciding
on
on
their
site
plan
in
their
hospital,
if
those
costs
were
known
in
advance
of
that
decision,.
K
Okay
be
useful
to
know
from
staff
if
that
was
the
case
and
not
that
that
factors
in
too
much,
we
have
our
own
decision
to
make
here
and
obviously
knowing
costs
for
the
city
before
making
it
financial
for
making
a
decision
is,
is
important.
So
thank
you.
A
And
I
see
that
chair
moffat
has
also
raised
his
hand.
A
And
we
can't
hear
you
chair.
B
I
forgot
to
unmute
my
other
mic.
Sorry
in
the
presentation
you
mentioned
about
oakville
and
the
cost
of
taxpayers.
You
said
that
the
130
million
dollars
has
no
impact
on
taxpayers.
Can
you
can
you
elaborate
on
that?
Please.
L
Yes,
my
understanding
is
that
the
city
of
oakville
actually
sold
some
business
that
they
were
involved
in
and
so
the
proceeds
from
that
business
were
their
contribution
to
to
the
hospital
it
did.
It
resulted
in
not
having
to
raise
taxes
and
just
as
a
comparison
another
number
here,
the
city
of
windsor,
which
is
also
looking
to
build
a
new
hospital
and
just
slightly
ahead
of
ottawa
about
five
years
ago.
L
They
brought
in
a
tax
library
for
all
the
residential
tax
bills
there,
and
so
everybody
has
a
levy
that
they
will
be
paying
annually
for
a
total
of
14
years.
So
in
the
case
of
oakville,
no
there
were.
There
was
no
increase
in
taxes.
In
the
case
of
winter,
for
14
years,
the
residents
will
be
paying
increased
taxes.
B
Yeah
in
oakville
they
did,
they
did
use
40
million
dollars
from
a
previous
sale.
It
wasn't
something
that
was
sold
in
order
for
them
to
fund
the
hospital,
but
it
was
a
previous
sale,
so
they
took
40
million
dollars
in
money
that
they
had
accrued
from
that.
They
also
took
out
a
debenture
of
90
million
dollars
to
fund
the
rest
of
their
130
million
dollars.
So
in
reality
those
two
numbers
would
have
an
impact
on
taxpayers
at
some
point,
because
someone
has
to
pay.
A
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
monica.
I
don't
see
any
other
questions
from
the
joint
committee,
so
the
next
registered
speaker
is
christina
robbins
from
botanica
residence
committee.
Q
Good
morning
my
name
is
christina
mckinney
and
I
am
a
concerned
citizen
of
ottawa
and
the
chair
of
the
botanical
residence
committee
on
the
new
civic
development.
We
are
directly
across
from
the
observatory
on
maple
drive.
I
guess
I
would
begin
by
saying
that
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
I
had
in
my
address
mirror
much
of
what
has
been
said
by
the
civic
hospital
neighborhood
association,
the
dalles
lake
association
and
certainly
joseph
frederico's
presentation
on
the
need
for
an
independent
environmental
assessment.
Q
Q
Although
there
are
people
who
live
east
west,
south
north
in
all
of
the
suburbs
who
have
share
equal
needs
in
terms
of
being
able
to
access
the
civic
hospital
very
quickly,
we've
been
fortunate
neighbors
of
both
the
civic
and
the
central
experimental
farm
for
many
years,
and
that's
why
we
are
acutely
aware
of
the
need
for
both
one
providing
essential
health
care
when
we
need
it
and
the
other.
Protecting
our
well-being
and
shielding
us
from
pollutants
and
the
climate
crisis
that
we're
all
facing
from
a
health
perspective.
Q
The
trees
and
green
space
of
the
central
farm
are
equally
important
to
the
very
significant
historic
aspects
of
the
farm
which
we
stand
to
lose.
We've
been
told
repeatedly
that
it
was
the
hospital
who
rejected
the
ncc's
recommendation
in
2016
to
build
that
tony's
pasture
and
who
chose
the
current
site.
While
they
may
have
pressed
for
this
site,
they
aren't
the
authority
to
choose
or
decide
the
use
of
this
public
land.
Q
That
decision
could
only
be
made
by
the
ncc
and
the
federal
government
as
the
guardians
of
that
land,
but
they
are
supported
by
provincial
and
municipal
municipal
officials,
each
with
your
associated
responsibilities,
the
province
for
hospital
funding
and
the
municipality
for
infrastructure
and
planning
support.
So
we
didn't
expect
this
from
a
hospital
board,
as
they
should
be
equally
concerned
with
our
liveability
and
the
well-being
of
our
community.
Q
Did
anybody
point
out
the
potential
difficulties
with
this
particular
choice
of
land
and
argue
that
the
ncc's
original
decision
was
the
right
one,
we're
still
asking
that
we
should
at
least
have
an
understanding
as
to
how
and
why
the
decision
was
made.
No
one
has
ever
answered
that
the
city's
own
study
of
the
dangerous
effects
of
heat
islands
and
the
carleton
university
study
of
the
benefits
of
the
green
space
at
the
farm
should
be
enough
to
persuade
anyone
that
we
need
both
the
hospital
and
the
farm
left
intact.
Q
Q
The
farm
is
not
protected,
contrary
to
agriculture's
contention
that
it
continues
intact
since
1886,
and
this
should
be
of
concern
to
all
heritage
committee
members,
the
removal
of
mature
trees
and
wildlife
and
50
acres
will
have
negative
impacts
and
the
two
green
spaces
mentioned
will
not
come
close
to
compensating
as
replacements.
There
will
be
no
underground
parking.
Although
the
design
now
seems
to
speak
to
some
partial
planning
to
have
some
of
it,
underground
parking
is
underestimated.
Q
Traffic
remains
largely
the
traffic
projections
remain
largely
unchanged
and
need
to
be
studied
closely.
The
fact
that
the
lrt
doesn't
bring
individuals
to
the
entrance
of
the
hospital
again
has
been
addressed
numerous
times.
A
final
comment
on
the
traffic
combining
a
hospital
of
that
magnitude,
with
the
development
of
at
least
12
new
high
density
towers
on
the
north
side
of
carling,
is
going
to
create
gridlock
at
numerous
intersections
in
the
city.
It's
not
the
optimal
location.
It's
too
closely.
Q
We
would
agree
with
the
other
associations
that
the
holding
provision
shouldn't
be
lifted
until
the
concerns
on
costs
and
on
the
environmental
assessment,
where
there
should
be
an
independent
assessment
and
until
the
traffic
studies
have
been
redone
with
more
accurate
projections.
I
thank
you
for
the
time
to
address
the
committee.
We
just
think
that
before
we
proceed
with
a
project
with
well
over
2.8
billion,
we
should
be
able
to
answer
one
question:
why
is
this
site
superior
to
the
original
ncc
recommendation?
A
Thank
you
for
your
statement.
Are
there
any
questions
for
miss
robbins?
Seeing
none.
Thank
you
for
your
delegation.
The
next
delegate
delegation
is
nico
fleming.
T
My
name
is
eric
schiller,
I'm
a
retired.
Well,
I
cut
it
short
because
he
said
like
one
minute
in
the
civil
engineering
department
of
the
university
of
ottawa
and
while
I
was
there,
I
taught
environmental
engineering
and
water
resources
and,
listening
to
all
you
people
here,
it's
obvious
that
the
planning
for
this
hospital
site
and
this
construction
has
gone
through
a
turbulent
time,
and
I
suppose
many
of
you
are
glad
you're.
T
Finally,
getting
to
the
end
of
this,
you
can
make
a
final
confirmation
and
get
on
with
the
work
I
would
like,
along
with
others,
just
to
say,
there's
one
more
thing
in
my
mind
needs
to
be
done
before
this
goes
forward,
and
that
is
a
thorough
and
adequate
environmental
impact
assessment
must
be
made.
There
has
been
some
kind
of
an
environmental
assessment,
but
it's
not
in
my
mind,
been
thorough
or
adequate,
and
there
is
a
federal
procedure
for
doing
such
an
environmental
assessment.
T
You
might
say
well,
what's
this,
why
the
environment
we
are
living
in
the
edge
of
an
environmental
crisis.
The
west
of
canada
is
suffering
a
severe
drought.
We
have
wildfires,
like
we've,
never
seen
before
the
ocean
is
heating
up,
and
so
we
have
hurricanes
of
unusual
force
and
intensity,
causing
flooding
and
climate
disturbances
all
around
the
world.
T
The
glaciers
of
the
world
are
disappearing
and
if
we
look
north
from
canada,
our
polar
ice
cap
from
the
time
we
started
to
measure
this
in
1975,
the
area
of
the
polar
ice
cap
has
gone
to
half
half
of
it
is
left
and
the
ocean
is
slowly
rising.
Well,
you
might
say
well
wait
a
minute
wait
a
minute.
What's
all
that's
got
to
do
with
planning
a
hospital
in
the
center
of
ottawa?
T
Well,
whatever
we're
doing
now,
we're
not
doing
it
right.
The
world
scientists
in
the
climate
tell
us
that
we,
this
is
the
decade
that
counts
2020
to
2030..
Now
we've
got
to
change
course
and
we're
we're
supposed
to
be
reducing
climate
carbon
emissions
by
one
half
we
haven't
even
begun
to
go
down
yet
we're
going
up,
there's
something
wrong
here:
we've
got
to
change
our
paradigm.
We've
got
to
change
our
way
of
thinking,
I'm
very
glad
to
hear
that
the
restraining
conditions
are
going
to
be
kept.
T
I
would
highly
recommend
we
put
a
pause
on
this
whole
thing
until
we
do
an
adequate
environmental
assessment.
Now,
let's
go
back
to
the
sites,
let's
plan,
to
put
this
hospital
on
the
experimental
farm.
This
is
a
treed
a
lot.
I'm
I'm
glad
to
hear.
There
is
some
concern
to
try
and
keep
as
many
of
those
mature
trees
as
possible,
but
many
of
them
will
go.
Perhaps
hundreds
of
them
trees
are
important.
T
T
The
the
new
little
trees
don't
have.
We
don't
have
enough
time
for
them
to
reach
their
mature
growth.
The
other
thing
as
I
look
at
the
hospital
at
the
experimental
farm
there's
a
massive
amount
of
space
put
into
parking
a
flat
level
parking
a
parking
garage.
It
all
assumes
a
car-centric
culture
that
cars
and
trucks
are
part
of
the
problem.
They
are
producing
20
to
25
percent
of
all
the
carbon
dioxide,
which
is
creating
the
problem,
or,
you
might
say,
well
we're
going
to
go
to
electric.
T
That
is
a
partial
transition,
but
eventually
we
have
to
think
more
of
public
transportation,
and
this
site
at
experimental
farm
will
require
massive
environmental,
damaging
structures
to
cause
the
this.
This
parking
that
is
planned,
there's
one
minute,
half
of
it
isn't
no
well.
By
contrast,
we
let's
look
at
the
other
sites.
We
can't
help,
but
look
at
tony's
pasture
when
we're
thinking
of
the
environment,
it's
flat,
there's
no
trees,
there's
an
lrt
station,
it's
built
for
the
future,
it's
cheaper
and
it's
better.
So
I
asked
you:
this
is
the
decade
that
counts.
T
What
we
do
now
will
determine
our
future,
and
this
hospital
will
be
built
right
smack
in
the
middle
of
this
decade.
Look
at
it
through
environmental
lenses,
put
a
pause
on
it.
Do
not
lift
the
constraint,
constraining
conditions
your
children
will
thank
you
for
it.
We're
talking
about
their
future.
Thank
you.
M
C
Great
thanks
very
much
and
sorry,
I'm
actually
doing
this
call
from
the
ottawa
hospital,
the
general
where
I
had
a
procedure
this
morning.
So
it's
not
ideal
audio
visual,
so
my
name
is
nico
fleming
I
live
in
the
dowsnate
neighborhood
neighborhood.
C
I
have
a
rare
and
likely
fatal
form
of
cancer,
and
I'm
only
here
today
to
be
able
to
speak
to
this
because
of
the
incredible
work
by
healthcare
professionals
over
three
years
at
the
general
campus
at
the
civic
campus
and
at
kansas,
margaret
in
toronto.
C
So
I
think
any
of
the
three
main
proposed
sites
for
the
hospital
would
be
reasonable,
including
the
daos
lake
one.
I
certainly
know
from
my
experience
working
on
large
government
projects
that
the
surest
way
to
significantly
delay
and
possibly
kill
a
major
project
is
to
constantly
change
major
design
aspects,
change,
location
decisions,
things
like
that
and
I
think
hospitals
are
too
important
for
that.
You
know
the
ottawa
has
a
growing
population.
We
need
an
expanded
hospital,
that's
state
of
the
art
that
can
support
that
population.
C
C
It
has
the
lake,
it
has
fabulous
parks,
it's
also
on
average,
not
everybody,
but
on
average
a
quite
wealthy
and
privileged
neighborhood,
and
I
kind
of
fear
that
there's
a
view
among
some
people
that
you
know
a
new
hospital
is
great
in
theory,
as
long
as
it
doesn't
go
in
my
neighborhood
and
hospitals
are
there
to
support
everybody
in
the
city
at
their
times
of
most
need,
and
I
think
particularly
they're
there
for
lower
income,
people
and
people
with
other
disadvantages,
because
they
tend
to
have
worse
health
outcomes
overall.
C
So
I
really
hope
that
proposals
for
improving
specifics
to
the
the
the
proposal
at
the
daz
lake
site
are
made
and
taken
in
a
spirit
of
you
know,
making
feasible
improvements,
because
that's
always
a
good
thing
to
do
the
due
diligence
on
a
project,
but
we
can't
allow
that
to
happen
in
a
way
that
will
just
subject
a
project
that
this
that's
this
important
to
endless
delays
or
to
sort
of
the
death
of
a
thousand
cuts.
C
A
And
thank
you
nico
for
you
know
coming
out
and
providing
us
input
on
on
this
file.
That's
before
us
today.
I
see
that
counselor
menard
has
his
hand
raised
to
ask
you
some
questions.
Thanks.
K
Very
much
chair
and
thanks
very
much
mr
fleming
and
I
appreciated
your
email
on
the
subject
as
well.
I.
K
Not
too
long
ago
and
very
much
understand
the
sentiment
in
there,
and
I
think
you
know
that
is
what
we've
been
trying
to
do
through
this
process
is
to
improve,
what's
on
that
site
and
how
it
works,
how
it
functions
with
traffic
in
your
neighborhood,
how
it
works
with
the
modal
share,
which
we
say
we
really
want
to
improve
going
to
that
site,
or
else
we
will
see
that
that
congestion,
how
to
make
sure
that
there's
green
space
to
be
enjoyed
by
folks
in
that
neighborhood
still,
and
I
think
you've
you
also
nail
it
that
we
want
a
new
modern
hospital,
and
I
guess
the
key
to
that
is
how
do
we
get
there?
K
What
do
we
do
to
make
sure
that
it's
as
best
designed
as
possible?
That's
the
only
question
in
front
of
us
and
so
in
terms
of
any
delay
from
getting
it
right.
I
think
it's
important
that
and
I'm
sure-
and
this
is
the
question
to
you-
is
I
I
assume
you
also
recognize
that
some
of
the
cynicism
people
may
be
feeling
about
the
site.
C
So
so
I
mean
I
I
I
do
understand
the
concerns
that
I've
certainly
heard
from
people
about
the
decision
being
made.
I
guess
my
perspective
on
that
as
a
as
a
longtime
federal
bureaucrat
is
that
you
know
advice
provided
by
you
know.
Bureaucrats
at
an
organization
like
the
national
capital
commission
is
sort
of
based
on
their
own
expert
assessment
of
the
decision
factors
faking
them
chasing
them,
but
it's
the
elected
officials
like
you
and
like
provincial
mlas
and
like
federal
mps,
who
we
the
public,
elect
to
actually
take
those
decisions.
C
K
Okay,
it's
important
to
have
consultation
with
with
folks
as
well
when
those
things
are
done.
So
I
appreciate
that,
thank
you
for
being
here
once
again
and
wishing
you
all
the
best
and
look
forward
to
our
continuing
discussions
on
a
whole
variety
of
topics.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
menard.
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
nico,
seeing
none?
We
just
want
to
provide
our
heart.
Thank
our
heartfelt
thanks
really
for
taking
the
time
to
be
with
us
this
morning,
and
our
next
delegate
is
debbie
grinsville.
E
E
E
The
farm
kids
were
a
group
of
children
who
lived
at
the
central
experimental
farm
in
the
early
1900s
because
their
fathers
held
positions
there.
My
father
simpson
grisdale
known
as
sam
and
his
five
siblings,
were
farm
kids,
because
my
grandfather,
joseph
hiram
grisdale,
joined
the
staff
of
the
farm
in
1899
as
an
agriculturalist.
E
Twelve
years
later,
he
succeeded,
william
saunders
to
become
the
second
director
of
the
experimental
farm
from
1911
to
1919,
at
which
time
he
went
on
to
become
the
deputy
minister
of
agriculture
until
his
retirement
in
1932,
my
father
and
his
siblings.
All
born
on
the
farm
grew
up
in
what
was
called
the
superintendent's
house,
beautiful
house
of
turrets,
chimneys
and
porches.
That
was
torn
down
in
the
1930s
to
build
the
william
saunders
building.
E
I
grew
up
hearing
endless
stories,
particularly
from
my
dad
and
my
aunt
with
the
youngest
in
the
family.
For
me,
as
a
child,
the
farm
was
a
place
we
visited
regularly
in
more
recent
times.
My
own
family
has
planted
four
trees
in
honor
of
my
parents
and
other
family
members
in
various
areas
of
the
farm.
E
One
of
those
trees
is
at
the
dalles
and
lake
of
prince
of
wales
across
from
the
site,
where
the
site
that
we're
discussing
and
is
likely
to
be
sacrificed
when
the
prince
of
wales
is
surely
to
be
widened
because
of
having
heavy
traffic
flow
and
congestion,
as
was
indicated
by
the
plans
shown
by
earlier
speakers.
E
For
me,
the
farm
is
a
sacred
place.
My
personal
story
is
rooted
in
its
history
and,
in
my
own
connection,
to
this
beautiful
oasis
of
greenery
trees
and
peace
in
the
center
of
our
city
in
1997,
the
entire
central
experimental
farm
was
declared
a
national
historic
site,
recognizing
it
as
a
place
of
profound
importance
to
canada.
E
In
the
midst
of
a
full-blown
climate
crisis,
it
seems
unconscionable
to
me
that
the
felling
of
nearly
500
or
more
mature
trees
is
being
considered.
I
acknowledge
the
motion
that
was
laid
out
earlier
about
tree
conservation
and
planting,
but
newly
planted
saplings
cannot
replace
what
mature
trees
do
for
the
environment.
E
Ottawa's
climate
change
master
plan
identifies
as
priority
actions
the
development
of
a
climate
resiliency
strategy
and
the
application
of
a
climate
lens
to
planning
the
new
official
plan
cites
the
need
to
protect,
enhance
and
manage
trees,
to
build
resilience
to
climate
change.
Higher
temperatures
and
extreme
heat
will
increase
the
need
for
passive
recreational
areas
to
protect
at-risk
populations.
E
E
E
If
this
section
of
the
farm
is
sacrificed,
a
president
will
be
established
that
would
make
further
incursions
into
the
farm
easier
and
more
green
space
will
be
lost.
The
farm
faced
a
somewhat
similar
crisis
in
the
1950s
when
the
civil
service
recreational
association
was
looking
for
a
new
home
for
the
r
a
center.
The
board
of
the
association
concluded
that
the
arboretum
would
be
the
perfect
spot.
E
E
K
Thanks
very
much
chair,
thank
you,
mr
brazil,
and
for
all
your
advocacy
on
a
variety
of
topics
in
the
community.
Thank
you
for
being
here
today
and
I'm
glad
you
touched
on
heritage.
It
is
something
that
we
heard
a
presentation
early
on
and,
of
course
we
have
members
of
build
heritage
subcommittee
with
us,
and
you
did.
You
did
speak
to
that.
So
I
just
I
guess.
K
The
question
for
you
is:
is
I'm
not
sure
if
you've
had
a
chance
to
look
at
the
cultural
impact
heritage
statement
and
and
what
it
says?
K
But
one
of
the
things
it
says
is
that
the
the
east
of
maple
drive
occupied
by
certain
john
carling
building
from
1914
to
1969,
the
historical
value
of
the
entire
property
has
been
devalued
and
the
cultural
impact
of
the
new
development
will
be
minor
or
negligible,
and
I'm
wondering
how
you
square
that
with
the
fact
that
the
central
experimental
farm
in
its
totality
was
declared
a
national
historic
site
in
just
1998,
and
what
what
do
you
think
about
those
statements.
E
Well,
I
think
the
the
timing
is
significant.
The
impact
of
the
new
hospital
site,
I
would
say-
and
this
and
the
shadow
virtual
shuttle
that
it
would
cast
over
the
whole
farm
area,
would
be
significant
and
that
it
can
only
speculate
under
underestimating
what
have
been
excuse
me
any
references
to
traffic
flow
and
and
difficulties
of
that
race.
So
I
I
think,
the
the
site
there
would
have
an
impact
on
the
entire
farm
and
also
on
its
historic
status.
K
Thank
you
for
that,
and
I
guess
my
last
question
is
really
about
the
designs
we.
There
was
an
original
design
put
forward
by
the
hospital
that
had
much
of
the
landscape
preserved
closest
to
those
remaining
heritage,
buildings,
dominion
observatory
and
others,
and
it
was
it
was
to
the
northeast
of
the
site,
much
closer
there,
where
the
main
buildings
were
there
with
preserving
much
of
the
rest
of
that
landscape.
E
Well,
that's
perhaps
a
more
specific
question
that
I'm
prepared
to
answer.
I
think
my
my
biggest
concern
is
the
loss
of
the
green
space
and
the
and
and
trees
and
canopy,
and
so
I
recognize
what
what
you're
asking,
but
I'm
not
in
a
position
to
to
give
a
an
answer
that
I'd
feel
comfortable
with.
K
A
P
Good
morning
before
you
start
my
time,
mr
chair,
would
you
please
ensure
that
all
the
members
of
the
committee
are
actually
there,
because
I'm
just
seeing
blank
names-
and
I
have
a
right
as
a
citizen
to
know
who's
listening
to
me?
So
please
don't
start
my
time
until
we
at
least
have
all
three
chairs
and
the
members
of
the
committee.
Thank
you
I'll
wait
until
you
give
me
the
start
and
I'll
press
my
timer
as
well.
A
Well,
the
platform
does
allow
people
to
turn
off
their
cameras,
but
we
do
have
city
staff
that
ensures
that
we
have
quorum
at
all
times.
We
can't
continue
the
meeting
without
quorum,
so
we
we.
We
will
obviously
we're
all
here
to
to
listen
to
you
and
the
public
and
we're
doing
so,
I
believe,
diligently
this
morning.
So
please
please
begin
your
your
delegation.
P
Thank
you
good
morning.
My
name
is
diane
mcintyre
and
I've
lived
in
the
city
of
ottawa
for
53
years.
Thank
you
in
advance
for
listening
carefully
to
all
of
us
who
care
about
the
future
of
our
city.
I
understand
the
need
for
a
new
campus
of
the
civic
hospital,
but
I
have
numerous
concerns
about
the
design
and
site
recommendation
of
the
proposed
hospital
rebuilt.
P
More
than
8
000
people
participated
in
ncc
consultations
that
concluded
that
federal
land
at
tiny's
pasture
would
be
the
best
location,
and
I
agree
with
those
conclusions,
so
I
want
to
start
there
during
the
ncc
consultations.
More
than
85
percent
of
the
participants
ranked
traffic
related
issues
and
site
accessibility
integrated
into
the
transportation
network
as
being
very
important
as
our
planning
committee,
you
know
how
many
approvals
are
being
sought
for
major
new
builds
along
and
nearby
curling
avenue,
arterial,
road
from
bronson
booth,
rochester,
preston,
bayswater
and
fisher.
P
P
P
The
transportation
impact
assessment
which
I
attached
to
my
presentation
shows
a
number
of
circles
which
include
some
traffic
but
certainly
exclude
many
others,
for
example,
that
traffic
impact
study
excludes
an
18,
45
and
55
story
tower
and
a
26
storey
proposed
tower
at
the
corner
of
bronson
and
carling.
Each
of
these
will
generate
major
traffic
and
create
traffic
gridlock.
P
So
a
lot
of
future
developments
have
been
left
conveniently
out
of
the
study
and
it's
important
that
we
do
a
comprehensive
study
and
truly
understand
the
implications
of
traffic
at
this
location.
Before
you
give
it
a
green
light,
the
world
has
been
warned
by
the
ipcc
that
we've
reached
code
red
for
humanity.
The
city
of
ottawa,
new
official
plan,
sets
a
target
for
tree
canopy.
This
is
a
laudable
objective,
but
we'll
never
get
there
if
we
allow
the
destruction
of
over
600
mature
trees
and
just
pave
it
all
over.
P
P
I
do
hope
you
listen
to
the
concerns
of
all
of
us
who've
taken
the
time
to
prepare
and
participate.
Today
we
are
the
unpaid
consultants
who
want
to
ensure
the
future
security
and
well-being
of
our
neighborhoods.
In
attachment.
2
to
my
letter,
which
I
sent
you,
I've
included
excerpts
from
bylaw
2018-400
city
of
ottawa,
code
of
conduct
as
reminders
of
our
citizen
expectations
that
members
of
council
shall
at
all
times
serve
and
be
seen
to
serve
of
their
constituents
and
the
city
in
a
conscious
and
diligent
manner,
and
shall
approach
decision-making
with
an
open
mind.
P
I
feel
like
the
decisions
here
have
already
been
made,
and
yet
you
don't
have
open
minds.
All
of
you.
Decisions
made
here
must
reflect
the
ideas
and
inputs
from
engaged
citizens.
Those
will
be
better
decisions.
In
my
attachment,
3
you'll
notice.
I
attached
a
letter
of
citizen
participation,
it's
an
old
document
by
arnstein,
and
it's
my
plea
that
what
is
said
today
is
heard
and
considered
and
not
just
tokenism.
P
In
closing,
I
value
the
civic
hospital
and
I
understand
the
need
for
a
new
campus,
but
I
strongly
advise
the
central
experimental
farm
is
not
the
best
location
and
urge
you
to
retain
the
holding
clause
until
all
the
implications
of
this
development
are
fully
understood.
We
must
plan
carefully
for
a
sustainable
future.
Please
remember
that
we
elected
you
and
trust
you
to
make
good
decisions
on
our
behalf.
Thank
you.
A
And
thank
you
question
questions
from
councillor.
Menard.
K
Yes,
thank
you
very
much,
ms
mcintyre,
for
being
here
nice
to
see
you
good
presentation.
I
have
two
two
main
questions.
The
first
is
is
is
on
the
mention
that
you
made
of
the
transportation
impact
assessment.
E
K
See
in
your
submission
that
it
appears
that
the
consultant
that
undertook
it
omitted
from
the
traffic
circulation
calculations,
12,
other
area
developments
representing
thousands
and
thousands
of
new
units
in
the
area
with
other
buildings
of
18,
45,
55
stories,
26
stories
and
others
I'm
going
to
get
confirmation
from
staff
about
that
afterwards,
it
appears.
That
is
the
case.
What
is
what
is
your
view
of
of
this?
How
did
that
happen?
Have
you
asked
staff
about
that?
P
Thank
you
sean.
I
have
not
addressed
this
specifically
with
staff.
I
know
others
have
I've
spent
days
and
days
in
the
ottawa
room
at
the
public
library
trying
to
get
back
down
ground
information
on
on
the
farm
and
so
on,
and
I've
unearthed
a
lot
of
other
documents.
What
I've
attached
to
my
letter
today
as
attachment
one
is
section
3.1.4.2,
other
areas,
development,
and
if
you
look
at
that
attachment,
one
of
my
submission
to
you
you'll
see
that
they
took
a
600
meter
radius
from
the
corners
of
the
future
site.
P
As
you
know,
the
recommendation
should
be
far
more
than
that.
This
does
not
even
reach
carling
and
bronson.
So
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
size
of
the
traffic
study
that
was
taken.
I
I
think
it's
limited.
It
doesn't
even
go
to
the
queensway
exits
and
I
I
really
think
that
traffic
has
to
be
a
concern
for
a
lot
of
the
reasons
that
others
have
spoken
to
today:
the
safety
of
children
crossing
to
the
schools
like
collegiate,
the
safety
of
local
residents.
With
all
the
cut
through
traffic.
P
I
can
imagine
cars
speeding
down,
sherwood
drive,
I
mean
cars
will
be
speeding
everywhere
and
already
we
know
that
cars
aren't
stopping
as
a
cyclist
who
doesn't
have
a
car
by
the
way,
folks,
I'm
not
contributing
to
those
gases.
I
I
want
to
be
a
cyclist
until
I'm
100
years
old,
and
that
gives
me
another
27..
P
Maybe
this
development
will
be
finished
by
then
somewhere
we
do
need
a
hospital,
we
do
need
a
hospital
and
I
but
traffic
has
to
be
a
key
consideration
and
I
urge
you
to
hang
on
to
the
holding
clause
until
a
thorough
study
has
been
done.
That
looks
at
the
implication
on
all
the
streets,
not
just
the
cars
but
the
bicycles,
the
children,
the
seniors
trying
to
cross
the
street
people
like
me
trying
to
get
to
the
hospital
on
my
bike
so
yep.
P
You
know
I
I
I
have
not
addressed
this
specifically
with
with
staff,
but
I
know
others
have.
K
Okay,
we'll
we'll
raise
it
with
them
afterwards,
and
I
did
want
to
just
key
in
on
one
other
point
and
that
that's
around
that
is
my
son.
He's
got
the
other
headphone
here,
so
I
did
want
to
key
in
on
one
other
point
you
made,
and
it
was
briefly
made,
but
it's
about
the
trees
on
the
side.
I
know
you've
been
out,
you
know
in
in
in
search
of
how
we
protect
those
trees.
Why
are
those
trees
so
important?
P
Well,
first
of
all,
many
of
those
trees
are
unique
species
and
a
tree
takes
this
much
space
below
the
ground
as
it
does
above
the
ground.
So
it
is
a
very
false
premise
to
think
that
you
can
put
it
on
the
roof
of
a
garage.
You
can't
if
a
tree
goes
up
30
feet,
it
goes
down
30
feet
and
it
goes
out
30
feet.
Those
are
roots
and
those
roots
are
interconnected.
P
Otherwise
we're
going
to
face
a
situation
like
we
have
at
the
lovely
wind
tunnel
of
lansdowne
park
where
375
trees
were
taken
down
along
homewood
avenue
to
build
condos.
We
were
promised
replacement
trees
and
we
got
a
few
sticks
that
aren't
even
growing.
So
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we
consider
every
tree
as
a
valuable
contributor
to
mitigating
climate
change
has
been
ported
out
by
several
other
speakers.
Today
we
are
in
a
climate
emergency
and
that
park
is
a
heat
sink.
P
That
park
absorbs
carbon.
That
park
provides
green
space
for
I'm,
I'm
going
to
speak
about
the
nimby
thing.
People
who
live
in
rural
communities.
People
who
live
in
suburban
communities
have
backyards.
Many
of
the
wealthy
have
cottages.
People
who
live
downtown,
don't
have
front
yards;
they
seldom
have
a
tree
to
sit
under.
The
experimental
farm
gives
us
that
space
and
as
the
city
of
ottawa
planners,
it
is
critical
that
we
protect
all
of
the
green
space
that
we
have,
because
you
cannot
replace
it.
P
Those
trees
are
older
than
me,
my
god,
they're
ancient,
but
they're
so
important
to
our
well-being.
Every
tree
protects
us.
If
you
look
at
my
attachment
for
I've,
given
you
a
few
references
from
the
european
environment
assessment,
the
u.s
forest
service,
the
environmental
protection
agency,
different
universities
and
from
the
guardian
I'll,
read
you.
The
guardian.
Planting
billions
of
trees
across
the
world
is
one
of
the
biggest
and
cheapest
ways
of
taking
co2
out
of
the
atmosphere
to
tackle
the
climate
crisis.
P
P
A
Thank
you
councillor.
I
don't
see
any
other
questions
for
miss
mcintyre.
So
thank
you
for
your
delegation.
The
next
registered
speaker
is
jane
keeler.
A
Just
wondering
if
staff
can
assist
in
unmuting
miss
killer.
O
A
And
if
we
can't
resolve
this
this
issue
right
now,
we
will
move
on
to
our
next
registered
speaker,
who
is
rob
samulack
of
the
christian
climate
observers
program,
and
then
we
will
reach
back
out
to
to
miss
keeler.
R
Hello,
my
name
is
rob
samulack
and
I
have
lived
in
ottawa
my
entire
life.
I
am
here
today
to
voice
my
opposition
to
the
current
plans
to
build
the
new
civic
hospital
on
the
current
experimental
farm
grounds
that
would
cause
a
50
acre
loss
of
public
park
land
and
the
destruction
of
almost
600
mature
trees
when
bigger
options
are
available.
R
We
need
a
new
hospital.
The
current
civic
hospital
building
is
approaching
100
years
old
and
has
surpassed
its
life
cycle.
It
is
a
tertiary
care
hospital
and
the
population
of
its
catchment
area,
which
is
ottawa.
Eastern
ontario
and
baffin
island
has
experienced
significant
population
growth.
The
hospital
is
antiquated
in
its
design.
We
have
learned
a
lot
about
infection
control
the
last
couple
of
years
from
this
pandemic.
R
The
question
is:
where
best,
to
put
this
new
hospital,
the
national
capital
commission
recommended
tony's
pasture,
the
federal
government
office
buildings
at
that
location
have
also
reached
or
nearing
the
end
of
their
life
cycle.
We
have
learned
from
the
pandemic
that
work
sorry
office
work
can
be
done
remotely
at
home
with
occasional
in-person
work
when
required.
Chinese
pasture,
like
many
federal
government
office,
buildings,
has
remained
largely
empty.
The
last
18
months,
the
switch
to
virtual
remote
office
work
is
not
going
away.
R
Unfortunately,
in
2016,
the
auto
hospital
wrongly
rejected
the
proposal
studying
the
costs
of
demolition
and
displacing
public
servants.
As
for
demolition,
someone
will
eventually
have
to
foot
that
bill.
Unless
the
public
land
is
sold
to
private
developers,
it
is
likely
that
taxpayers
will
pay
that
bill
in
one
way
or
another
at
some
point
as
for
displacement
of
public
servants
thanks
to
remote
working.
That
is
no
longer
an
issue
for
ambulances.
Coming
from
the
queen's
way.
Tony's
posture
is
approximately
a
thousand
meters
from
the
parkdale
exit.
R
R
As
for
employees
such
as
nurses,
visitors
and
families,
chinese
pasture
has
a
pre-existing
transportation
plan
versus
large
office
complex
that
has
been
in
place
for
decades,
assuming
that
the
lrt
can
actually
function
reliably
at
some
point
in
the
future,
there
is
an
existing
station
already
right
at
the
chinese
site.
It
greatly
cut
down
on
the
need
for
additional
parking
and
the
burden
on
the
surrounding
community.
For
on-street
parking
employees
coming
from
gatineau
have
a
more
direct
route
as
it
is
closer
to
all
car
bridges.
R
The
proposed
chief
commander
bridge
and
gatineau's
proposed
lrt
connection
dallas
lake,
queen
elizabeth
drive,
prince
of
wales,
drive
the
experimental
farm
bike
paths
are
all
major
tourist
destinations
as
well
as
places
where
people
go
to
relax
and
get
away
from
hectic
urban
life.
Hospitals
with
ambulance
sirens
are
loud
and
busy
full
of
emotionally
charged
people.
The
dao's
lake
site
is
not
beneficial
to
ottawa
or
the
ottawa
tourism
industry.
R
The
chinese
site
will
cause
no
difference,
as
it
is
already
a
major
employment
complex.
Now,
let's
talk
about
the
destruction
of
long
preserved,
parkland
and
600,
mature
trees
and
the
creation
of
20
acres
of
parking
lot.
Yes,
there
are
promises
to
replace
the
trees,
but
climate
change
is
no
longer
the
future.
It
is
here
now
mature,
trees,
capture,
more
carbon
dioxide
now
than
future
trees.
R
R
R
This
council
rightfully
declared
a
climate
an
emergency
unless
those
were,
unless
those
words
were
more
than
just
blah,
blah
blah.
It
needs
to
be
backed
up
with
action.
Now
is
the
time
to
act,
and
we
must
act
aggressively.
Changing
the
dow's
lake
site
to
the
tiny
site
is
one
way
to
act
more
aggressively
despite
the
toh.
R
What
toh
wanted
from
a
climate
perspective.
Chinese
is
a
better
option
from
an
employee
perspective.
Chinese
is
a
better
option
from
a
tourist
industry
perspective.
Chinese
is
a
better
option
from
a
health
perspective.
Chinese
is
a
better
option
from
a
resident
perspective.
Chinese
is
a
better
option.
Please
do
not
build
the
new
hospital
at
dallas
lake.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
rob
for
your
comments.
You
have
some
questions
from
councillor
menard.
K
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
thank
you
for
being
here.
Rob
rob.
Also
thank
you,
for
I
believe
you,
you
started
the
the
butterfly
run,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
and
for
your
health
care
service
to
ottawa.
Just
appreciate
you
know
what
you've
done
for
our
city
in
terms
of
the
this
site
itself
on
the
site,
I'm
wondering
if
you've
walked
the
site
if
you've
been
through
it
and
what
what
you
think
of
when
you,
when
you're
surrounded
there
in
that
beauty.
K
I
know
some
members
of
planning
committee
have
had
the
chance
to
walk
it
as
well,
but
just
wondering
your
take
away
from
for
what
the
site
currently
is,
as
it.
R
The
site
is
currently
has
lots
of
trees
has
the
surrounding
arboretum
it's
where
people
go
to
relax
and
get
away
from
hectic
life
that
is
living
in
ottawa.
R
B
All
right,
thank
you,
rob
for
your
time
today
and
we're
gonna
go
back
to
jane
keeler.
I
believe
she
has
sorted
out
her
unmute
function.
S
Thank
you
very
much
and
for
coming
back,
I'm
a
retired
counselor
msw,
who
has
worked
in
three
locations
in
ottawa,
carlton
ufo
for
med
students
and
for
indigenous
women
and
their
children
at
min
washington
lodge
I'm
also
the
co-creator
of
a
stand
with
the
trees,
photographic
initiative
connecting
ottawans
with
the
trees
of
the
farm
and
because
of
that
I've
spent
hours
among
the
trees,
which
will
be
eradicated
if
this
master
site
plan
is
accepted.
S
I
believe
that
one
of
the
tactics
of
some
developers
who
face
public
opposition
is
to
begin
to
cut
trees
asap.
They
know
that
once
you've
killed
the
living
inhabitants
of
an
area,
it's
easier
to
move
in.
I
believe
this
has
already
begun
on
the
experimental
farm
site
from
the
position
of
those
who
do
not
see
trees
as
important
they're,
just
clearing
the
way
for
their
work.
S
At
the
beginning
of
the
planning
site
documents,
it's
declared
that
the
decision
to
put
the
site
on
of
the
ottawa
hospital
on
the
experimental
farm
was
a
federal
decision
and
therefore
the
city
decided
to
align
its
process
to
match
the
federal
government's
intents.
However,
it
seems
clear
that
the
interest
of
the
city
may
not
match
the
interest
of
the
federal
government
in
this
case,
because
the
design
offered
for
this
hospital
is
not
only
inappropriate
and
contradictory
to
the
needs
of
the
ottawa
citizenry,
it
would
be
a
huge
detriment
to
their
health.
S
This
site
plan
would
become
the
prime
of
the
century
because
it's
killing
100
year-old
trees,
as
well
as
creating
an
inoperable
traffic
pattern.
The
protagonist
may
say
they
followed
procedures.
But
if
you
do
not
consider
the
outcome
that
actually
will
be
produced
by
those
procedures,
you
will
have
created
a
nightmare
which
will
continue
for
decades.
S
S
Reading
through
the
heritage
report,
you
can
see
that
there's
clearly
some
distrust
of
the
hospital's
intentions
and
what's
already
happened
according
to
the
report,
the
hospital
has
already
broken.
Look
at
the
heritage.
Part
has
already
broken
several
of
its
commitments,
specifically
about
parking
and
others,
and
the
distrust
which
that
has
created
is
reflected
throughout
the
language
report,
such
as
where
they
say
be
a
wilderney
and
then
go
on
to
describe
the
hospital's
actions.
S
Amelioration
and
whereas
the
areas
of
dalles
lake,
the
arboretum
and
the
central
experimental
farm
are
health
assets
in
their
own
right.
Providing
relaxation
beauty,
education
and
exercise
and
specifically,
where
large
living
trees
have
unique
life-giving
powers,
including
the
production
of
oxygen
and
such
anti-microbial.
S
S
Therefore,
it
resolved
that
the
proposed
design
and
current
master
site
plan
will
be
rejected
by
city
councillors
at
this
time,
as
they
consider
the
health
and
financial
survivor
of
their
municipality
and
further
that
the
city
council
create
a
new
subcommittee
of
planning,
a
living
heritage
and
or
green
infrastructure
committee.
Thank
you
very
much
for
listening.
K
Very
much
sharon
just
very
quickly.
I
just
want
to
thank
you,
ms
keller,
for
being
here,
and
certainly
we
have
the
environment
committee,
but
I
know
that
under
our
buildings
or
our
decisions
on
applic
building
applications,
certainly
we
could
use
more
investment
into
some
time
on
environment
and
climate
change.
As
those
buildings
go
up,
I
think
we're
gonna
move
there
soon,
but
definitely
hear
your
point
on
that.
K
I
guess
the
the
point
I'd
like
to
ask
you
very
pointed
is:
if
this
site
could
be
redone
to
have
a
better
site
plan
on
the
site
itself,
that
is,
takes
up
a
quarter
of
the
footprint.
K
S
For
me,
it
would
be
more
acceptable
to
have
a
much
smaller
footprint
to
have
no
surface
parking
and
to
retain
all
the
mature
trees
by
some
kind
of
architectural
complete
redesign.
I
think
maybe
this
design
was
meant
for
chinese
pastors,
I'm
not
sure,
but
I
I
just
feel
it
doesn't
include.
Really
it
tries
to
replace
but
not
include,
what's
already
there,
and
I
don't
think
that
a
smaller
site
would
really
solve
the
immense
traffic
problems
which
I
did
not
address.
T
Oh
god,
sorry
about
that
sorry,
I
think
of
it
as
capital
award,
not
a
number
we're
more
than
a
number
her
name.
Now
it's
good
to
see
you
all
and
taking
your
situation
very
earnestly,
I
I
have
nothing
to
say
about
the
master
plan,
because
I
don't
think
you
need
my
advice
on
parking
or
building
height.
T
I
do
have
something
to
say
about
the
holding
provision,
the
importance
of
maintaining
it,
and
I
I
think
you
it's
it's
a
question
that
many
people
don't
really
want
to
address
because
it's
not
sexy
like
a
tree,
and
that
is
that
the
there's
been
many
requests
for
public
inquiry
as
to
why
the
decision
was
made
and
how
it
was
made,
and
these
will
ultimately
succeed
because
they
will
succeed,
and
my
only
fear
is
that
we
will
succeed
too
late
to
save
the
trees
in
the
site
and
something
else
will
have
to
happen
to
you
know
to
to.
T
For
that.
I
guess
to
chastise
the
people
who
did
this,
but
the
thing
is
it's
a
completely
peculiar
decision
that
got
made
the
city
planners
say
it's
the
ncc's
fault
that
they
made
the
decision.
Well,
that's
nonsense.
T
The
ncc
three
days
before
the
flip
was
made
had
just
completed
a
six
month
study
with
21
criteria
developed
in
concert
with
the
with
the
hospital
looking
at
12
different
sites
and
the
farm
wasn't
even
on
the
didn't.
The
tonys
was
the
clear
clear
winner
with
with
with
the
farm
not
even
coming.
Second-
and
you
know
when
you,
when
you
ask
you,
you
talk
to
the
ncc,
you
get
this
stonewall
silence,
you
understand
why?
How
could
it
be?
T
How
could
they,
how
could
they
justify
flipping
in
three
days
from
six
months
or
more
of
effort
in
a
public
announcement
that
they'd
chosen
the
site
to
no?
No,
it's
not
our
site,
it's
the
farm.
They
they
never
have
made
that
public
announcements.
It
was
made
by
the
mayor,
and
it
was
made
that
by
the
mayor
he
didn't
consult
with
council.
He
didn't
consult
with
staff,
he
didn't
consult,
it
was
just
made.
There
were
no
supporting
documents
here.
You
have
a
multi-generational
multi-billion
dollar
project
largest.
T
You
you're
ever
going
to
see
in
your
your
terms
on
council,
and
it
was
made
basically
privately.
No
one's
really
sure
who
made
it
there's
going
to
be
a
public
inquiry.
We've
already
had
a
judge,
retired
judge
come
out
and
say
it
needs
to
be
investigated.
How
often
do
you
see
a
retired
senior
court
judge
come
out
of
her
private
life
to
make
a
public
statement
that
you
need
a
public
inquiry.
T
It's
such
such
an
obviously
inexplicable
decision,
and
it's
going
to
get
worse
folks,
I
I
know
I'm
not
on
council
anymore,
so
I
can
say
this
with
a
bit
of
a
smile.
The
public
request
republica
is
not
going
to
go
away
when
you
make
a
really
really
bad
decision
on
a
major
project
like
you
like,
you
did
with
hiring
snc
lavalier
without
technically
qualifying
it.
They
don't
go
away,
they
come
back
and
they
haunt
you
year
after
year,
and
this
is
going
to
wreck
many.
Many
local
political
careers
guarantee
it
you're
you're
gonna
be
toast.
T
T
We
will
see
a
lot
of
things
that
no
one
unders,
just
as
citizens
who
are
looking
at
it
from
afar.
You
can
see
the
world.
There
are
a
lot
of
really
crazy
things
going
on.
For
example,
the
the
the
tunnies
is
on
bedrock,
there's
not
a
tree
on
the
site.
It's
all
serviced,
it's
ready
to
go.
The
speedy
way
is
to
go
to
tunnels.
T
The
long
way
is
over
a
fault
zone
on
alluvial
glorp,
with
with
on
a
site,
that's
never
ever
been
urban
in
since
the
beginning
of
canada,
and
you
know
think
about
trudeau.
I
mean
I
I'm
talking
now
to
my
political
federal
friends.
Mr
trudeau
is
going
to
an
international
climate
conference,
he's
going
to
be
trailing
the
farm
with
him
he's
just
taken.
T
His
staff
he's
allowed
a
hundred
year
old,
150,
really
150
year
old
site,
pristine
to
be
trashed,
for
when
there
was
another
site
that
was
approved
by
his
own
people,
so
naturally
anyone
looking
to
say
well.
How
did
that
happen?
And
you
can't
get
answers
the
more
questions
you
ask,
the
more
stonewall
you
get,
so
it
it's
it's.
It
will
happen.
I
think
it'll
probably
happen.
Provincially
there'll
be
a
provincial
inquiry.
T
Eventually,
not
not
not
it's
hard
to
see
the
the
city
having
that
the
integrity
inquiry
having
the
nerve
to
nerve
to
do
it,
but
I
think
it
will
happen
provincially,
because
it's
a
different
political
structure
there
different
fully
there's
no
there's
no
tories
involved
in
his
switch.
It
was
entirely
a
liberal
affair.
T
So
ottawa
was
a
liberal
town
politically
yeah
you're
not
going
to
happen,
it
will
happen
provincially
I
guarantee
it
and
and
when
it
happens,
it's
going
to
take
down
a
lot
of
people
and
I
think
it's
unfortunate
because
it
didn't
have
to
happen.
There
was
absolutely
no
protest
when
tony's
was
selected
zero
and
within
within
days
of
the
announcement
being
made.
T
Alarm
bells
are
going
out
right
across
the
whole
city,
and
it's
you
know
it's
not
good
enough
to
say:
hey
guys,
it's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
take
time
to
to
switch
it's.
It
won't
take
time
what's
going
to
take
time
and
misery
if
you
go
with
a
decision
that
clearly
will
never
work.
B
B
T
Maybe
a
few,
but
it
was
always
public
and
it's
part
of
that
public
domain,
and
it's
think
about
this
scott,
it's
it's!
It's
got
antique
barns
on
the
south
end
and
a
roundabout,
the
so
the
the
the
southeast,
the
southern
exit
of
tony's
pasture,
has
supposed
to
have
a
world-class
rail
line,
plus
a
six-lane
regional
road,
two
of
them
one
it's
bracketed
by
it.
It
doesn't
make
any
sense.
B
T
T
K
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
yeah,
certainly
in
terms
of
that
historic
landscape,
those
buildings
have
existed
there.
That
landscape
has
existed
there
with
cultural
value
since
the
first
time
when
the
farm
was
developed
back
in
1886.,
so
certainly
a
long
long.
K
History
yes
changed
over
time,
but
no
denying
what
it
is
now
today
and
you
know
clive
I
I
agree
that
the
way
the
decision
was
made
previously
around
this
completely
inappropriate,
with
no
minutes
of
any
meeting
and
no
public
consultation
for
the
site,
so
my
residence
when,
when
this
happened
back
then
I
was
in
the
counselor,
but
residents
in
that
area
didn't
get
to
say:
oh
you're,
going
to
put
it
here.
K
Well,
what
are
you
doing
with
all
these
other
aspects
back
in
2016
when
they,
when
they
decided
that
in
in
a
few
days
after
so
I
I
agree,
the
way
that
it
was
done
completely
inappropriate
and
and
should
not
be
done.
K
That
way,
that's
not
why
we
live
in
a
democracy
here,
and
that
was
not
a
democratic
decision,
and
I
think
most
people
on
on
staff
would
also
agree
with
that,
and
that
is
part
of
why
we
lead
to
the
cynicism
that
we're
seeing
here
today
about
the
current
site
plan
and
and
where
there's
a
lack
of
trust-
and
I
know
you're
not
here-
to
talk
about
the
master
site
plan
as
it
is
in
front
of
us.
That's
we
have
to
do
that.
K
You
know
we
have
to
debate
that
and
the
elements
that
are
on
there,
including
transit
and
green
space
and
the
connectivity
with
traffic.
K
In
terms
of
what
I
wanted
to
ask
you
is
you
know
in
terms
of
council's
next
decision
on
this,
you
know:
what's
your
best
advice
to
counselors,
where
is
it
that
you
see
us
going?
I
know
public
inquiry
is,
is
on
your
agenda
and
others
agendas.
What
is
it
what
else
beyond
that?
K
Do
you
think
that
needs
to
be
done
here
to
highlight
the
way
that
decision
was
made
so
that
decisions
like
that
are
not
are
never
made
again
behind
closed
doors,
with
no
minutes
with
no
public
delegations
without
consulting
those
surrounding
communities?
When,
when
it's
made.
T
You
know
sean,
I
I
I
would
take
a
genius
that
I'm
not
give
you
that
kind
of
advice.
The
thing
is
that
this
choice
of
this
hospital
was
made
with
less
input
than
you
would
get
on
a
speed
bump
on
your
street.
There
was
more
effort
put
into
the
six
the
six
speed
bumps
on
lion
than
there
was
in
this
hospital,
and
that's
it's
it's.
It's
close,
that's
criminal!
T
You
know
that
you
know
you
know
the
mayor
is
not
the
the
captain
of
the
enterprise,
he
doesn't
say
make
it
so
he
actually
has
to
come
to
you
guys
he
has
to
come
to
the
public.
He
has
a
process
he
has
to
follow.
He
never
did,
and
you
know
the
thing
about
the
process
is,
is
they
don't
have
an
immediate
effect,
but
the
long-term
effect
is
enormous.
T
So
the
sad
thing
is,
you
know
like
you're,
going
to
we're
going
to
be
feeling
the
consequence
of
not
taking
the
proper
process
with
the
light
rail
for
generations
and
same
thing
with
lansdowne
and
the
same
thing
with
the
hospital
your
chance
right
now.
I
think
the
council
is
going
to
divide
into
the
watson
club
and
everybody
else,
and
if
I
was
on
council,
I
had
no
choice.
I
had
no
no,
no,
no
hesitation
being
on
everybody
else,
because
when
that
inquiry
comes
down
the
fight,
the
watson
club's
gone.
D
B
I
Yes,
good
afternoon,
in
the
few
minutes
I
have,
I
would
like
to
evaluate
the
master
plan,
that's
before
us
for
the
new
civic
against
the
criteria
set
by
the
city
itself
in
its
new
official
plan,
which
of
course,
all
of
you
know,
has
the
purpose
of
guiding
development
in
ottawa
for
the
next
25
years,
and
I
appreciate
it's
still
a
draft,
but
these
are
the
key
directions
that
the
city
has
set
for
itself
in
its
urban
planning
decisions.
I
I
This
new
civic
campus
proposes
its
parking
at
or
above
grade,
so
on
most,
unfortunately,
we
will
all
be
subject
to
the
view
of
this
four-story
parking
lot.
While
we're
skating
on
dalles
lake
or
visiting
the
tulip
festival,
which
I
think
is
just
an
embarrassment,
the
project
fails
on
the
city's
second
criteria.
I
I
It
is
not
simply
that
it's
going
to
be
constructed
on
a
heritage,
green
space,
it's
also
an
unnecessarily
large
footprint.
The
plan
proposes
a
16
hectare
campus.
This
is
grossly
bloated
scale
for
a
hospital
in
a
major
urban
center
ottawa
architect.
Toon
dressing
has
written
convincingly
on
the
oversight's
footprint,
with
detailed
comparisons
to
major
hospitals
across
canada.
Now,
we'll
give
just
a
couple
of
examples,
the
recently
built
mcgill
university
health
center
in
montreal
provides
1
379
beds
with
1582
parking
spaces
all
below
grade.
I
So
that's
twice
the
number
of
beds
as
the
new
civic
40
of
the
parking
in
about
half
of
the
footprint
st
paul's
hospital
in
vancouver
550
beds,
less
on
less
than
a
quarter
of
the
land
area
proposed
here,
plans
for
a
new
saint
paul's
hospital
in
vancouver
on
a
7.4
hectare,
site,
half
the
size
with
550
beds
and
11
70
parking
spaces,
so
100
less
beds,
half
the
parking
spaces
in
about
half
of
the
space;
and,
finally,
the
big
policy
move.
I
E
I
I
So
speaking
for
many
friends
and
neighbors
in
my
community
who
are
truly
dismayed
by
this
proposal,
I
would
ask
the
committee
members
to
reject
the
master
plan
and
retain
the
holding
provision.
Ottawa
really
can
and
must
do
better.
No
one
is
suggesting
that
a
new
hospital
isn't
needed,
but
let's
get
this
right.
Many
recent
hospital
developments
in
other
cities
show
that
this
hospital
can
be
built
even
with
parking
on
less
land
while
preserving
our
precious
green
spaces.
Thank
you
for
your.
L
K
Much
chair,
I
think
you
just
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
laura
you
that
that
is
exactly
the
issue
with
what's
been
proposed
for
the
site
is
that
we
need
to
demand
better
and
take
up
less
of
this
beautiful,
open,
green
space,
tree-lined
area
in
our
core,
which
is
declining
year
after
year
and
the
site
itself
can
make
a
hospital
work
here.
It's
how
it's
designed
it's
what
we
do
to
integrate
the
lrt
and
so
on
you're.
K
On
that
point,
the
question
I
have
for
you
is:
I'm
not
sure
if
you
looked
at
it,
but
back
in
2018
in
june
city
council
also
approved
criteria,
and
it's
it's
not
associated
with
the
new
official
plan,
of
course,
but
they
did
approve
criteria
to
them.
I
wasn't
on
counsel,
then,
but
here's
what
they
approved.
They
said
the
provision
of.
K
Parking
on
site,
including
underground,
and
that
was
very
clear-
they
said,
including
underground-
that
was
part
of
their
policy
that
would
apply
under
the
new
hospital
area,
designation,
4.1.8
policy
and
so
far
we
haven't
seen
that
at
all.
So
I
guess
I
wonder
what
your
thoughts
are
on
the
fact
that
there
was
something
approved
in
june
of
2018
by
the
by
the
council.
There's
there's
more.
They
also
said
integration
of
the
carling
o
train
and
future
lrt
station
into
the
hospital
and
research
facility
into
now.
K
I
don't
know
that
they
can
get
it
right
under
there,
but
certainly
not
235
meters
away
where
it
is
now.
So
I
guess
your
response
on
those
two
areas
as
well
other
policies,
we've
previously
said
we
would
hold
this
to
like
we're
saying.
The
new
official
plan
should
hold
things
to
what
your
thoughts
are
on
on
those
policies
that
don't
seem
to
be
coming
to
pass
in
this
design.
I
I
Yes,
we're
not
supposed
to
talk
about
the
location,
it's
obviously
the
wrong
location,
it
has
so
many
flaws.
This
is
a
substandard
proposal
like
we
deserve
better.
We
should
not
be
accepting
this
type
of
extremely
poor
urban
design
and
citizens
are
paying
for
this
and
we
will
live
with
it
for
the
rest
of
our
lives.
B
J
J
This
is
due
to
the
historic
first
canadian
women
who
worked
on
a
national
level
astronomy
at
the
dominion
observatory,
notably
dr
miriam
berland
and
dr
mary
gray.
The
latter
dr
gray,
also
had
a
career
curating,
the
astronomy
education
at
the
national
science
and
technology
museum
based
on
the
dominion
observatory.
J
Presently,
the
observatory
campus
actively
holds
an
indigenous
center
in
the
observatory
house
of
the
algonquin
community
to
guide
the
natural
resources,
canada,
the
office
of
energy
efficiency
is
there
and
the
natural
can
and
the
the
nrcan
department
of
earth,
physics
and
seismology
unit
are
are
all
still
functioning
on.
This
campus
all
contribute
to
this
major
tourism
site
that
holds
canada's
prime
meridian
at
risk.
J
We
would
emphasize
that,
while
the
construction
of
the
new
ottawa
hospital
will
be
a
major
benefit
to
the
residents
of
the
city
to
be
a
good
neighbor,
it
is
important
that
this
development
does
not
detract
from
the
current
and
future
scientific
heritage
and
public
benefit
character
of
the
observatory.
Campus.
J
We
already
put
forth
several
concerns
and
correspondence
sent
to
the
city
planners.
However,
I
would
like
to
highlight
here
the
importance
of
planning
for
proper
lighting
in
regard
to
the
intended
current
and
future
use
of
public
astronomy
education
at
the
observatory
site.
We
continue
to
request
more
specifics
from
the
architect
of
the
new
ottawa
hospital.
J
That
lighting
is
clearly
planned
and
specified
way
in
advance
and
not
left
as
the
last
step
at
the
end
of
construction
to
have
consultation
that
is
early
in
the
construction
process,
so
that
the
community
and
the
royal
astronomical
society
of
canada,
who
can
be
consulted
on
the
new
hospital
lighting
plan
and
any
new
adjacent
buildings,
including
lighting
for
parking
and
roads
leading
into
the
hospital
site.
Can
this
be
put
in
place?
J
We
strongly
recommend
that
lighting
policies
be
implemented
as
per
ottawa
regulations
and
bylaw
inspectors,
and
that
the
new
hospital
lighting
also
comply
with
dark
sky
guidelines
already
recommended
and
accessible
to
the
city.
It
is
strongly
advised
that
the
city
of
ottawa
requested
the
ottawa
hospital
put
in
place
lighting
rules
in
reference
to
what
is
explained
here.
J
It
is
critical
that
the
new
hospital
not
exasperate
this
problem
for
the
city
for
astronomical
observing
as
well.
We
recommend
the
following
full
cut
off
lining
to
be
used.
All
lighting
fixtures
should
direct
their
illumination
downward
and
not
too
far
to
the
sides.
The
color
of
light
allow
telescope
filter
use
to
reduce
adverse
effects
of
light
pollution
with
the
use
of
white
or
broad
spectrum
light
at
the
hospital
requiring
lighting.
That
does
not
create
additional
light.
J
B
Thank
you.
Sharon
question
from
council
menard.
K
K
So
I
guess
the
question
is,
is
why
haven't
people
got
back
to
you
yet
and-
and
I
can
raise
this
particular
point
with
with
staff
after
this
question
and
answer
session,
but
but
what
who
I
mean
I'm
struggling
to
to
understand
why
the
hospital
or
city
staff
or
federal
bodies
wouldn't
have
already
got
back
to
you
about
this?
Obviously
very
important
issue.
J
The
city
staff
have
been
quite
helpful,
as
in
the
city
planners
which
we
have
communicated
with.
The
problem
is
with
the
architect
trying
to
get
the
information.
We
did
have
a
separate
meeting
with
graham
byrd
and
associates,
and
we
have
tried
to
consult
with
the
hospital
representatives
and
we
tried
to
get
a
hold
of
the
architect
to
just
get
information
so
that
we
could
comment
fairly.
J
We,
for
example,
did
not
receive
correct
and
accurate
building
heights.
We
were
given
kind
of
murky
answers
when
we
did
meet
and
ask
specifically
for
that
as
an
example,
and
therefore
we
cannot
give
quite
the
measurements
for
the
south
observing
area
from
the
observatory
site
for
city,
astronomy,
okay,.
K
L
Thank
you
councillor.
I
have
a
question.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation
and
you
know.
I
think
that
the
whole
dominion
observatory
complex.
It
is
part
of
the
central
experimental
farm
national
historic
site,
but
is
you
know,
frankly
deserving
of
its
own
national
historic
site
status
as
a
complex
and
as
well
as
the
issues
that
you've
raised
around
lighting?
I'm
just
wondering
I'd,
like
your
opinion
on
how
you
perceive
the
planned
buffering
around
the
complex
as
it's
being
proposed
in
the
master
plan.
J
My
fellow
committee
members
will
have
further
comments,
but
just
to
summarize
before
they
do
come
on
the
replanting
of
trees,
if,
if
many
trees
are,
are
taken
away,
if
we
could
have
consultation
with
that
as
well,
that
will
help
with
us
with
our
viewing
of
the
the
southern
sky,
which
is
where
the
elliptic
is
and
where
we
actually
watch
the
planets,
and
we
often
will
be
setting
up
telescopes
at
times
and
teaching
the
public
as
we
do
around
the
city
about
astronomy,
and
it's
had
a
very
big
uptick
during
the
pandemic
as
being
an
isolated
kind
of
project
of
science
that
anybody
can
do
from
their
their
backyard
or
wherever,
as
long
as
they
can
figure
out
a
way
around.
B
Alright,
thank
you.
I
miss
odell,
so
we're
gonna.
I
asked
I
had
mentioned
mike
golf
and
my
notes
had
actually
said
that
he
was
in
a
meeting
between
noon
and
one.
So
just
we
happened
to
get
to
him
at
that
point.
So
we'll
come
back
to
him
after
the
break.
We
are
going
to
take
a
break
at
one
o'clock
and
we'll
go
right
now
that
might
be
right
after
this,
so
we'll
go
right
now
to
matt
lebreton.
N
Good
morning
everybody
or
good
afternoon,
everybody,
I
realize
I'm
the
person
between
you
and
lunch,
so
I'll
I'll
be
as
concise
as
possible.
But
of
course.
N
Right
on
so
mr
chairs
and
members
of
the
committee,
thanks
for
having
me
and
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
contribute
to
this
important
dialogue,
I'm
really
grateful
that
I'm
able
to
add
to
any
decision
making
process
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
really
helps
improve
the
way
we
will
provide
care
at
the
ottawa
hospital
for
the
years
to
come.
N
I'd
like
to
start
by
saying
a
couple,
perhaps
obvious
points
first,
I
I
really
do
believe
that
everybody
here
we
have
something
in
common,
and
that
is
the
public's
best
interest
and
I'm
confident
that
you
all
have
this
at
the
core
of
your
conversations
and
your
perspectives.
And,
frankly,
I
I'm
no
different.
N
The
second
to
be
clear.
I'm
here
to
dare
today
to
to
argue
for
the
direct
care
related
need
associated
with
the
development
of
this
new
campus.
N
Rest
assured,
my
viewpoint
is
informed
by
both
the
best
information
I
have
available
to
me
and
my
years
of
direct
on-the-ground
experience
as
a
critical
care
and
emergency
nurse.
N
Today,
I
hope
to
provide
you
a
compelling
perspective
that
includes
a
vital
human
context
to
the
the
policy
debates
and
the
data
and
all
the
planning
that
we've
had,
and
I
hope
that
this
will
inform
future
decision
making.
Frankly,
I'm
really
honored
to
lead
a
team
of
adaptable
and
innovative
and
tireless
healthcare
professionals.
N
Here,
over
the
last
20
months,
my
team
and
frankly,
everybody
at
toh,
we've
had
to
move
mountains
every
single
day,
and
this
pandemic
has
told
a
clear
story
about
our
need
to
reinforce
our
public
health
care
and
resources
and
our
infrastructure.
N
So
I'd
like
now
to
quickly
walk
through
some
examples
that
show
how
this
new
civic
campus
would
help
us
further
unlock
my
team's
ability
to
innovate,
not
only
in
extreme
situations,
but
provide
exceptional
care
day-to-day
in
eastern
ontario
in
western
quebec
and
also
baffin
island.
This
is
really
a
regional
thing
that
we
that
we're
talking
about.
N
First,
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
the
tornado
of
2018
and
the
westboro
bus
crash
of
2019
both
of
these
events.
I
was
a
part
of
directly
and
these
required
unimaginable
amounts
of
care
and
coordination
among
our
teams
in
order
to
provide
immediate
trauma
care
to
many
individuals
in
a
very
short
period
of
time.
N
N
N
Another
example-
and
I
know
frankly,
I'm
tired
of
talking
about
it
and
I'm
sure
we
all
are
as
well
that
it's
the
pandemic.
N
As
I
mentioned,
our
team
has
shown
tremendous
innovation
and
adaptability
and,
frankly,
in
unprecedented
pressures
in
this
last
year
year
and
a
half
and
while
we're
better
prepared
today
than
we
were
when
this
all
started,
a
new
campus
would
permit
us
to
quickly
pivot
to
large
admission
volumes
in
the
event
of
another
massive
strain
on
our
healthcare
system
that
we're
seeing
today,
specifically,
we
would
have
more
additional
critical
care,
cardiac
monitoring
available
to
us
that
would
be
built
right
into
the
baseline
footprint.
H
N
N
N
This
may
be
a
family
member
recovering
from
a
critical
illness
that
I've
seen
all
too
often,
this
touches
all
of
us,
and
we
have
an
opportunity
to
ensure
that
the
community
gets
the
care
it
deserves
and
that
the
people
providing
the
care
have
the
supports
that
they
deserve,
and
I
want
to
finish
off
on
a
bit
of
a
personal
note
that
I
appreciate
thoughtful
policy
debate.
It's
healthy.
It
should
be
encouraged.
N
It's
part
of
a
democracy
just
like
what
we're
doing
today,
but
the
impacts
of
the
development
on
this
local
neighborhood
must
absolutely
be
discussed.
But
the
dialogue
needs
to
be
carefully
weighed
against
what
we
are
bringing
together,
and
that
is
world-class
care
in
a
hospital
that
that
saves
lives
and
is
imperative.
That
is
imperative
to
the
debate.
All.
B
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and,
and
and
thank
you,
mr
lebreton,
for
coming
out
today,
putting
on
for
a
moment
my
my
chair
of
public
health
hat.
I
I
really
appreciate
you
speaking
to
what
this
hospital
might
be
able
to
do
in
terms
of
dealing
with
another
situation
like
the
pandemic,
and
so
just
for
clarity.
C
If
I'm
hearing
you
correctly,
it's
your
belief
based
on
your
experience,
working
on
it
sounds
like
multiple
disasters
and
and
emergencies
in
the
city,
and
I-
and
I
thank
you
and
your
team
for
that-
that
that
this
location,
this
design
will
allow
you
and
your
team
to
do
your
job
better.
C
Should
we
face
something
like
this
again?
As
you
say,
I
don't
want
to
put
words
in
your
mouth,
but
I
just
want
that
clarity,
because
we're
talking
about
the
site
plan
we're
talking
about
how
the
the
building,
how
the
institution
is
going
to
function
within
within
the
location,
that's
chosen.
So
what
I
seem
to
be
hearing
from
you
is
this
location,
this
design
of
the
buildings
and
the
layout
of
the
campus.
If
you
will
will
allow
your
team
to
respond
more
effectively
more
efficiently,
should
we
have
to
deal
with
something
like
this
again.
N
Thanks
for
the
question,
it's
a
good
one,
I
gotta
say
I
understand
that
the
location
of
the
civic
is
not
on
the
agenda
today
and
I'll
refrain
from
talking
to
that
to
the
design.
N
Currently,
and
you
know
I
I
think
the
design
I
I
I
haven't
read
the
design
materials
through
and
through,
but
when
you
look
at
wider
hallways
and
quicker
access
to
ct
scans,
like
I
mentioned,
inevitably,
a
new
modern
hospital
would
absolutely
be
beneficial,
as
opposed
to
a
100
year
old
infrastructure
that
that
likely
was
modern
edge
back
then,
but
you
know
it's
aging,
so
I
would
invite
you
to
contrast
what
we
currently
have
with
the
design,
which
will
invariably
be
better
than
what
we
have.
I
have
no
doubt
about
that.
B
Thank
you
counselor
and
thank
you,
mr
lebreton,
for
your
appearance
here
today.
Thank
you.
So
what
is
that
101?
I
did
commit
to
members
of
committee
that
we
would
take
a
break
at
one
o'clock.
We
will
do
that
come
back
at
1
21..
B
B
B
C
B
I
saying
that
one
is
the
loneliest
number
song,
but
it's
because
it
seemed
appropriate,
but
people
got
mad
at
me.