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B
Welcome
everybody,
hello,
I
think
we
have
quorum,
we
do
and
it's
a
little
bit
late.
I.
Thank
everybody.
That's
here
today
to
the
built
heritage
committee,
I'm
wondering
if
anyone
does
want
to
speak
and
you
haven't
signed
one
of
these
forms,
yet
they
are
available
at
our
version
of
vanna
over
to
my
right,
and
so
please
take
the
time
to
school
over
and
do
that
now.
B
B
B
On
the
second
one,
the
application
for
demolition
and
new
construction
at
2:15,
McCloud,
Street
property
designated
under
part,
five
of
the
interior
Heritage
Act.
We
have
had
some
communication,
but
we
don't
have
any
speakers.
Does
anyone
on
the
committee
desire
to
hold
better?
Can
that
be
carried
item
number
two
Carrie
Carrie
sure.
Thank
you.
Okay.
So
we've
a
go
back
to
item
number
one
and
have
a
brief
about
presentation
and
then
have
our
discussion
and
go
to
anyone
wanting
to
speak.
Thank
you.
C
Good
morning,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
this
is
an
application
for
new
construction
on
birch
Avenue
in
the
rocklers
Park
Heritage
Conservation
District
I
just
have
a
very
brief
presentation
for
you
this
morning.
That
sort
of
gives
you
some
context
of
the
property
and
the
proposed
development.
C
The
property
is
located
at
the
very
edge
of
the
Rocklin
Park
area.
Conservation
District
birch
Avenue
is
the
boundary.
So
this
side
of
birch
Avenue,
so
the
west
side
of
birch
Avenue,
is
included
in
the
Heritage
Conservation
District.
This
side
of
birch
Avenue
is
Manor
Park,
so
octave
Manor
Park
these
losses,
five
building
Lots
that
were
subdivided
in
the
early
1980s
as
part
of
a
subdivision
that
included
all
of
this
area.
Here
it
was
called
rock
cliff
on
the
lake.
C
Excuse
me,
as
you
are
aware,
or
likely
aware
a
couple
of
years
ago,
there
was
an
application
to
construct
a
new
ambassador's
residence
on
another
property
owned
by
the
government
of
the
Republic
of
Iraq
on
Landsdowne
Road,
also
in
the
Rockland
Park
Heritage
Conservation
District,
that
application
for
demolition
and
new
construction
was
refused
by
City
Council's.
So
now
the
government
of
Iraq
is
back
with
a
new
application
on
these
five
vacant.
Lots
still
located
in
the
rock
lift
Park
heritage
district.
C
This
is
on
the
other
side
of
the
property,
so
on
the
McNab
Street
side
and
also
on
the
Pond
Street
side.
So
you
can
see
it's
very
heavily
treed
property
at
the
moment.
This
is
something
that
we
took
into
account
when
assessing
the
application,
so
the
proposed
building
for
the
site
is
an
ambassador's
residence.
It's
sort
of
made
up
of
three
kind
of
pavilions.
The
front
piece
here
is
the
formal
sort
of
entrance
pavilion
that
will
have
the
formal
functions
of
the
ambassador's
residence.
C
The
piece
of
the
rear
will
be
the
actual
residential
home
of
the
Ambassador
and
his
family,
and
then
this
piece
over
here
is
a
swimming
pool,
and
it's
a
serene
indoor
swimming
pool.
The
from
the
site
plan
perspective.
There
would
be
a
circular
drive
for
drop-off
of
guests
and
officials,
as
well
as
a
driveway.
That's
going
down
to
this
back
of
the
property
to
a
garage
that
is
underground,
so
this
will
be
a
depressed
driveway
as
it
goes
to
the
rear
of
the
property.
C
C
This
is
the
front
elevation
facing
onto
birch.
There
is
a
a
formal
entrance
with
a
porte-cochere
you'll
see
the
front
portion
of
the
building
is
one
story
and
the
real
portion
that
I
mentioned
earlier
has
the
residential.
The
main
residential
portion
is
two
stories,
and
then
this
swimming
pool
pavilion
is
also
to
one
story.
Sorry,
this
is
the
North
elevation.
This
shows
you
this
section
of
the
way
the
driveway
will
work
going
into
the
garage.
So,
as
I
said,
the
driveway
is
is
depressed,
so
there
would
be
a
retaining
wall.
C
These
small
fences
and
things
you
see
throughout
the
drawings
illustrate
the
various
terraces
and
in
entertaining
and
leisure
spaces
that
are
outside
of
the
building,
and
this
is
the
South
elevations
on
the
other
side.
So
you
can
see
here
the
this
is
the
Porte
cochere
that
that
would
be
the
formal
entrance,
and
then
this
is
the
rear
of
the
building.
C
C
It
would
be
a
metal
fence
with
a
sort
of
palm
tree
detail
at
the
top,
and
this
will
also
include
gates
for
to
restrict
vehicular
access
to
the
property
for
security
reasons,
the
fence
is
proposed
to
be
1.5
metres
high,
which
is
a
fairly
reasonable
height
of
a
fence
around
the
property
and
I'm.
Now
going
to
talk
about
the
landscape,
which
is
the
primary
thing
that
we
were
very
concerned
about
on
this
property
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
this
is
the
landscape
plan.
C
There
was
because
the
property
is
heavily
vegetated.
Now
there
was
a
real
effort
to
maintain
that,
to
the
greatest
extent
possible.
So
at
this
point
the
only
trees
that
are
being
proposed
for
removal
from
the
property
are
those
that
are
where
the
house
is
so
the
those
trees
have
been
removed.
There
is
also
a
planting
proposed
to
replace
the
trees
that
have
that
would
be
lost.
So,
as
you
can
see,
the
main
sort
of
perimeter
of
the
property
will
retain
a
very
vegetated
state,
all
of
the
existing
trees
remaining.
C
Given
that
the
proposed
that
the
existing
vegetation
is
mainly
deciduous,
there
has
been
a
proposal
by
the
Landscape
Architect
to
introduce
some
evergreen
trees
into
the
mix
to
help
provide
that
year-round
cover
because
right
now,
if
you
were
to
go
there
today,
it
with
all
the
lose
also
trees.
It's
it's
a
pretty
open
sight.
So
there
was
a
proposal
to
introduce
some
additional
planting
of
non
deciduous
type.
C
It
is
also
not
not
completely
typical
of
this
section
of
václav
Park
so
trying
to
work
with
the
security
requirements,
but
also
recognizing
that
the
guidelines
for
Rockland
Park
talk
about
the
dominance
of
soft
landscape
over
hard,
and
so
there
was
a
real
effort
to
do
that
here.
So
that's
that's
the
end
of
my
slides.
Basically,
the
department
is
recommending
approval
of
the
application
based
on
the
fact
that
it
does
meet
the
guidelines
for
new
construction
in
the
Rockville
Parkway,
a
Heritage
Conservation
District,
the
Rucker
Park
residents
association
development.
C
He
subcommittee
did
review
the
application
on
two
occasions
and
provided
comments
that
were
incorporated
by
the
applicant
into
the
design
heritage.
Ottawa
was
also
circulated.
The
proposal
for
review
and
comment
and
I
believe
you
have
received
some
some
correspondence
from
heritage
Ottawa
on
this
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
the
committee
might
have.
Thank.
B
C
C
B
And
yet
we
have
this
before
us
today,
because
we
have
to
deal
with
our
90-day
rule
and
there
is
a
bright
side
for
the
people
who
we've
just
heard
from
in
the
last
24
hours.
Well,
even
more
recently
than
that
that
are
saying
you
know,
quelle
suprise
I
didn't
know
anything
about
this,
and
that
is
the
fact
that
this
is
going
to
go
if
it's
approved
or
not
to
the
Planning
Committee
on
January
14th.
B
D
You
went
through
a
description
of
the
landscape
mitigation
measures.
Could
you
describe
building
more
explicitly
what
has
been
planted
to
to
complement
or
scream
the
perimeter
fencing
just
to
us
exactly
what
the
landscape
architect
is
intending,
and
the
other
thing
is
that
we
all
see
that
there
is
some
new
planting
along
birch
Avenue.
Could
you
describe
what
each
of
those
things
are
so
that
we
understand
it.
C
C
Sorry
about
that,
so
the
pointing
that's
proposed
along
birch
Avenue
here
would
be
deciduous
planting
these
trees
here
that
you
see
with
the
with
the
lines
across
them,
are
proposed
coniferous
trees
and
then
the
the
sort
of
the
planting
that
will
occur
along
the
perimeter
of
the
fence,
particularly
along
birch,
that
we've
asked
for
the
species
themselves
have
not
yet
been
determined,
but
there'll
be
sort
of
screening
shrubs.
That
kind
of
thing
and
the
applicant
may
be
better
able
to
speak
to
the
specifics
of
that.
That's
something
that
can
be
determined
as
the
process
continues.
E
D
B
A
My
name
is
Steve
Rogers
I
live
at
47
birch
Avenue
directly
across
from
the
proposed
development
and
I'm
here
representing
a
group
of
concerned,
community
members
and
neighbors,
and
we
very
quickly
come
to
an
initial
and
unanimous
opposition
to
this
application
for
a
number
of
reasons
which
I'll
get
into
in
a
moment
and
contrary
to
has
been
presented
here.
I
think
our
view
today
is
that
it
does
not
comply
with
the
guidelines,
as
we
understand
them
of
the
Heritage,
the
Heritage
guidelines
that
were
aligned
in
the
impact
statement.
A
I
have
lived
in
the
neighborhood
for
many
many
years,
and
I
can
think
of
no
structure
even
remotely
resembling
what's
been
presented,
and
so
I
their
laws
has
very
strong
feelings
around
the
design
and
and
that
in
the
email
that's
been
sent
and
distributed
to
the
committee
members.
We've
indicated
which
specific
guidelines
we
feel
that
they're
in
contradiction
with.
The
second
point
is
the
orientation
of
building
on
two
birch
Avenue.
We
find
that
a
very
odd
and
misunderstood
design
element.
A
Another
element
that
has
raised
a
number
of
questions
is
that
we
and
I
think
it
was
addressed
in
the
earlier
presentation.
Is
that
the
security
elements
around
this
proposed
development
I,
don't
think
you've
been
fully
fleshed
out
and
I?
Think
you
probably
subject
to
a
lot
of
scope
creep
here.
I
guess
we're
all
having
a
hard
time
understanding
how
what
fence
is
going
to
meet
the
security
requirements
of
a
high
profile
residence
like
the
Iraqi
ambassador's
home.
A
A
A
There
will
be
a
significant
amount
of
traffic
from
the
special
constable
units,
especially
at
a
high-profile
place
like
the
Ambassador,
the
Iraqi
ambassador's
home,
and
that
means
the
squad.
Cars
will
be
there
on
a
regular
basis
and
a
prolonged
basis,
as
they
are
another
high-profile
ambassador
residences,
and
that
means
they're
going
to
be
parked,
often
on
birch
Avenue,
which
is
not
really
an
ideal
situation.
Given
the
bus
traffic,
the
bike
traffic,
the
car
traffic,
it's
just
not
the
ideal
frontage
for
a
facility
like
this.
A
This
brings
me
to
my
last
point.
I
think
the
biggest
concern
is
that
the
Manor
Park
community
has
not
been
informed.
Yes,
we
did
receive
notification,
but
that
came
I
believe
last
Friday
late
and
most
people
didn't
even
get
their
heads
around
what
was
happening
here
until
the
weekend,
and
it's
really
in
the
last
24
hours
that
we've
been
able
to
get
a
an
initial
understanding
what's
been
presented.
A
So
I
think
our
request
to
the
group
is
a
you
know
as
much
as
we
firmly
believe
that
this
does
not
comply
with
the
guidelines
were
not
asking
for
an
outright
rejection
at
this
point
at
the
grow
asking
for
a
deferral
of
those
to
buy
some
more
time
to
understand,
what's
truly
being
proposed,
where
we
are
in
this
process
and
what
we
can
do
to
participate
in
the
discussion
around.
What
actually
should
go
there
and
and
get
the
input
of
all
the
neighbor
neighbors.
A
B
Thank
you
I
think
that
you've
expressed
the
the
most
common
threads
of
all
of
the
communication
that
we
have
received
and
have
quickly
taken
the
time
to
read
in
some
cases
I'm
just
wondering
when
did
when
did
you
send
out
the
the
letters
to
some
of
the
neighbors
because
it
seems
and
how
many
of
those
were
there
I
mean?
As
you
know,
you
live
there.
The
properties
are
a
lot
larger
and
that's
why
they've
done
more
outreach,
so
I
want
to
start
with
how
many
of
those
went
out.
C
There
were
27
letters
sent
to
neighbors
both
on
the
birch
Avenue
side
and
on
the
McNab
pond
Lakeview
side
of
the
property.
So
it's
27
letters
in
total,
which
is
actually
just
on
from
my
previous
experience
of
wroclaw
Park
is
actually
pretty
high
number.
Normally
we
probably
send
about
10
to
12
for
a
property
for
an
application
like
this,
and
when
did
you
send
them
out?
They
went
in
the
mail
on
December,
the
2nd,
ok,
because
my.
B
My
interest,
I'm
asking
I
mean,
is
simply
that
I
don't
understand
why
those
people
weren't
motivated
to
to
talk
to
their
other
neighbors
if
27
of
them
went
out
ahead
of
time
and
start.
That
discussion
then,
would
think
that,
and
in
my
extensive
experience
with
planning
the
instant
that
somebody
receives
something
that
they
don't
think
that
they're
going
to
like
or
or
even
you
know,
except
that's
when
the
motivation
starts
to
grow.
B
If
you
will
for
people
to
get
together
so
I'm
going
to
ask
I
just
needed
to
understand
that
piece
of
it
and
it
doesn't
play
into
what
you're
talking
about.
But
it
does
for
my
information.
I
just
need
to
understand
that
so
I'm
going
to
ask
staff
to
talk
to
the
comments
that
you
made
about
the
Heritage
guidelines
that
you
feel
are
have
not
been
met
and
I
want
to
reiterate
what
I
said
earlier
about
the
planning
committee
and
the
role
that
it
will
play.
B
Some
of
the
things
that
you
have
brought
forward
are
ones
that
can
be
addressed
at
the
planning
committee,
but
they
would
not
be
ones
that
we
addressed
at
a
heritage
committee,
and
so
fortunately,
we
have
that
time.
What
we
don't
have
in
order
to
make
comments
is
the
time
beyond
the
90
days,
since
the
application
and-
and
one
of
you
would
you
care
to
describe
that,
so
that
everyone
in
the
room
has
the
same
understanding
of
those
timelines
that
really
restrict
us
or
or
cause
us
to
to
consider
this.
C
Can
explain
the
process
and
and
I
spoke
with
mr.
Rogers
about
this
yesterday,
the
city
is
obligated,
after
the
receipt
of
an
application
under
the
Heritage
Act,
to
have
it
to
City
Council
for
a
decision
one
way
or
the
other
within
90
days.
If
it's
not,
if
there's
no
decision
rendered
by
City
Council
within
90
days,
it's
deemed
to
be
approved.
So
the
90-day
timeline
on
this
application
expires
on
February.
The
11th,
which
unfortunately
I
was
slightly
incorrect
when
I
spoke
with
mr.
C
Rogers
yesterday
afternoon
means
that
it
cannot
get
deferred
to
January
meeting
of
both
her
subcommittee
because
of
the
because
the
January
meeting
was
moved
to
the
16th
of
January
it
just
we
won't
get
it
there
in
time.
We
won't
get
it
to
Council
in
time,
so
it
has
to
continue
on
the
path
that
it's
on,
but,
of
course,
as
you've
mentioned.
Madam
chair,
the
the
planning
committee
can
also
hear
public
comments
on
the
issue
and
and.
B
So,
on
all
of
the
issues,
I
know
that
staff
we've
got
a
staff
here,
taking
notes
I
want
to
have
those
addressed
for
you
before
the
at
the
planning
committee
will
have
that
information.
Okay,
that
you
have
been
raised
that
aren't
part
of
what
we
consider
at
built
heritage,
but
certainly
would
be
part
of
what
we
could
consider
a
planning
committee
and
and
councillor
Hobbs
and
I
actually
sit
on
planning
committee
as
well
councillor
Moffitt
thank.
F
You
I
said
it
I
wanted
to
ask
you
to
elaborate
on
a
one
thing
and
I'll.
Just
I'll
tell
you
why
just
the
you're
talking
about
the
design
and
you
don't
like
the
look
of
the
building
and
I'm
just
thinking
the
two
buildings
on
on
McNabb
that
are
there
are
south
of
it
are
two
large
black,
weird
things
that
are
more
or
less
you
know
glorified
tree
forts,
but
they're.
There
they're
the
40
and
50
McNabb
Street
the
exact
they're,
the
two
southern
properties
to
it,
north
of
it
34
birches,
is
sort
of
a
sharp-looking.
F
You
know
wood,
facade,
building
with
a
lot
of
different
levels
and
shapes
and
I
know
it's
strange
that
they
have
a
weird
thing
at
front
with
the
gas
meter
inside
I
used
to
read
your
gas
meter.
So
it's
like
it's
a
job.
I
see
you
in
that
area
that
right
north
of
that
one,
the
next
one
up
from
that
which
I
think
is
32
birches,
is
a
brand-new
building
which
is
a
brand
new
home.
It's
it's
more
than
looking,
but
it
does
have
a
stone
facade.
F
A
A
Fine
being
one,
the
major
objection
is
of
the
proposed
building
here
looks
very
industrial,
very
commercial,
and,
if
you,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
putting
up
that
architectural
rendering
that
to
me
and
to
many
and
and
the
unanimous
opposition
to
this-
is
that
it
is
industrial
and
commercial.
Looking,
it
looks
like
the
front
of
the
Holiday
Inn
Express.
A
C
She,
it
is,
is
it
yeah,
so
I
mean
it's
an
architectural
rendering?
You
don't
have
the
deciduous
trees
and
things
that's
right,
so
the
landscape
plan
has
been
updated,
since
this
rendering
is
done,
I
just
I
simply
included
it
just
for
illustrative
purposes,
but
this
is
not
part
of
what
the
applicant
will
be
tied
to
in
terms
of
plans,
because
that
doesn't.
B
C
B
C
B
A
Again,
it
goes
to
the
point
you
know
we
are
looking
at
this.
We
have
the
information
that
we
have
and
we're
basing
our
opposition
based
on
average
emitted
exposure
to
what's
been
proposed
and
what's
been
discussed,
you
know
what's
contradictory
and
what's
conflicting
between
the
various
images
and
drawings
that
we
see,
we
just
haven't,
had
an
opportunity
to
really
understand,
and
that's
part
of
our
concern
is
we
want
to
be
involved.
A
We
want
to
understand
part
of
it
is
us
to
learn
the
details
and
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
the
questions
to
get
responses
so
that
we
can
be
part
of
the
solution
we
feel
with
the
timelines
that
are
in
front
of
us
right
now.
This
is
being
rammed
down
our
throats
and
we
don't
have
an
opportunity
to
participate
now.
I'm
understanding
that
there's
some
sort
of
timeline
that
this
committee
has
written
and
the
city
has
to
adhere
to
in
order
to
process
this
through
the
various
committees
and
get
final
approval.
B
B
G
Thanks,
madam
chair,
just
in
regards
to
mr.
Rogers
comments
on
the
fencing
you
know,
I
know
who
you
won't
get
into,
but
the
security
is
those
property,
but
because
the
fence
is
the
height
it
is.
Is
that
part
of
that
your
your
requirement
was
or
if
they
came
back
for
a
higher
fence?
Would
that
be
allowed.
C
Three
now
I'm
sure
we
would
not
recommend
approval
of
any
higher
fence
than
this.
That
was
one
of
my
primary
concerns
and
looking
at
this
application,
I
did
not
want
to
see
the
department
did
not
want
to
see
what
is
on
line
down
road
right
now,
which
is
you
know
like
a
10
or
11
foot
fence
so
because
it's
not
in
keeping
with
the
character
of
rock
liffe.
Okay,.
G
C
The
applicant
may
be
better
able
to
elaborate
on
that
question,
but
my
feeling
is
that
if
the
building
were
to
be
reoriented,
there
would
be
a
number
of
minor
variances
that
would
be
required
for
setback
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
I'm
not
saying
it
couldn't
be
done,
but
I
think
the
the
reason
that
it
was
done
this
way
is
that
it
the
way
that
the
building
that
they
wanted
to
build
fit
the
best
on
the
last
okay.
Thank.
B
D
C
D
D
C
Is
correct
one
additional
thing
that
is
required
of
the
applicant
is
they
have
to
lift
a
30
centimeter
reserve
along
birch
Avenue,
but
I
checked
into
this
this
morning
and
there's
no
traffic
circulation
as
a
result
of
that
either.
So
it
is
a
single-family
house
and
I
know
that
traffic
concerns
have
been
raised.
B
E
H
Perfect,
thank
you
very
much.
First
I
want
to
echo
my
neighbors
comments,
Steve's
very
much
and
in
support
of
everything
he
said,
but
I
think
one
take
the
opportunity
to
to
echo
and
reinforce
some
of
the
points
and
perhaps
add
some
others.
Just
in
terms
of
some
of
the
comments
that
are
made
about
how
fast
people
have
reacted.
H
There's
already
some
history,
where
we've
got
a
resident
that
has
been
left
abandoned
for
a
great
many
years.
The
last
we
heard
it
was
going
to
go
ahead
on
lands
down
a
street.
You
know
based
on
what
we're
seeing
here,
far
closer
I
guess
in
character,
and
yet
that
was
rejected
and
now
we're
looking
at
this
on
birch
and
if
you've
a
pair,
the
two
streets,
the
size
of
the
houses,
the
use
of
gates
and
fences
would
be
far
more
consistent
in
a
neighborhood
like
that,
and
that
speaks
to
the
point.
H
H
The
brown
one
is
all
natural
wood
and
again
I
find
is
not
too
big
of
a
so
it
blends
in
nicely,
and
the
median
is
bigger
than
I
would
have
ideally
liked.
But
again
is
it's
fairly
typical
of
the
character
of
a
just,
a
large
residential
home
that
might
be
built
this
case,
the
character
is
very
much
a
completely
different
style.
It's
very
much
a
Middle
Eastern
style.
H
It's
added
a
gate
which
is
completely
out
of
character
with
with
any
of
the
houses
in
our
neighborhood
and
I'm,
not
convinced
that
the
traffic
impact
wouldn't
necessarily
be
bigger
from
five
houses,
given
only
three
of
those
lots
are
on
birch
and
the
other
two
I
think
are
on
on
pond
and
and
McNab,
so
it
spreads
it
out,
so
I
I'm
not
sure
at
best.
It's
it's
a
net
neutral,
but
my
primary
concern,
I
think
is
probably
with
just
the
the
character
and
how
it
fits
in
with
our
neighborhood
and
I.
H
Think
you
know,
five
normal
residential
houses
would
be
far
more
fitting
than
this
one
which
really
doesn't
just
doesn't
match
the
the
nature
of
the
neighborhood
and
also
concerned
with
with
how
the
Anna
Park
wasn't
involved
even
in
the
development
of
these
ideas.
If,
if
one
of
my
neighbors
is
going
to
do
something
out
of
the
ordinary
seeker
variants,
they're
likely
gonna
come
talk
to
me
before
they
even
begin,
maybe
to
say
how
do
you
feel
about
this?
Any
in
fact
the
most
negative
area?
H
So
that's
exactly
what
they
did,
and
so
my
concern
is
not
just
with
the
character,
but
it's
also
a
little
bit
with
the
history
and
the
lack
of
engagement
that
has
occurred
so
far
with
what
is
potentially
our
new
neighbor
on
the
street
and
somebody
that
we
are
going
to
be
impacted
as
Steve
referenced.
There
will
be
patrol
cars
in
the
neighborhood
it'll
be
a
very
so
we
think
that
really
speaks
to
the
many
areas
and
I
know
I'm,
not
sure
who's
on
your
list.
B
And,
as
I
said,
we
have
not
sure
didn't
count
the
number
of
submissions,
but
we
have
had
a
rapid
fire
of
submissions
in
the
last
overnight.
If
you
will,
yesterday
and
and
this
morning,
maybe
10
12
yeah
so
I.
Thank
you
very
much.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
I
again,
I
want
to
tell
you
I
want
to
reiterate
the
fact
that
this
committee
can
can
deal
with
the
we
certainly
live
within
certain
timelines
and
that
sort
of
thing
as
dodoo
does
the
planning
committee,
because
it's
under
the
Planning
Act
etc.
B
So
we
have
those
things
under
the
Heritage
Act
we
have
with
this
committee,
but
some
of
the
other
things
that
you're
bringing
up
are
really
not
within
our
purview.
How
and
that's
why
I
can
tell
you
that,
no
matter
what
is
decided
today
that
I've
already
spoken
with
staff,
and
we
are
going
to
undertake
to
have
that
information,
further
information
available
prior
to
the
planning
committee,
and
we
certainly
will
share
it
with
anyone
that
is
interested.
B
G
Our
one
reservation
had
been
with
respect
to
the
landscape,
and
that
is
because
the
aspect
of
the
Heritage
Conservation
District,
that
is
at
paramount
importance,
is
the
treatment
of
landscape.
It
is
a
park-like
setting
with
significant
setbacks
and
vegetation
and
a
village
atmosphere
and
into
this
village
atmosphere.
G
And
that
is
our
only
significant
reservation.
When
you
get
into
the
depths
of
reading
the
Heritage
Conservation
guidelines,
it
actually
says
very
little
about
the
the
design
of
the
individual
houses
it
doesn't
need
to.
It
allows
for
individual
flexibility
in
the
Heritage
Conservation
District,
and
it
is
again
that
the
landscape,
as
a
unifying
thread
and
I,
will
be
very
happy
to
talk
to
anyone
who
would
like
to
learn
more
about
heritage
conservation,
districts
and
heritage
Ottawa's
input
into
these
kinds
of
dialogues.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
B
D
B
Just
want
to
say
that
note
to
staff.
Of
course
we
don't
expect
to
have
any
assurance
in
surety
from
somebody
on
security
as
far
as
the
details,
but
the
fact
is
is
that
it
would
be
important
to
understand
the
pressures
from
a
transportation
from
the
extra
traffic
etc
that
would
come
about.
We
would
never
be
in
a
position
where
we
would
ask
an
embassy.
Did
I
vouch
there.
There
are
plans
for
their
their
ambassadors
home,
but
we
know
that
the
RCMP
certainly
would
be
involved
in
making
sure
that
they
work.
I
Or
their
staff
well
I'm,
just
one
quick
note,
madam
chair
I
issue
does
come
up,
has
come
up
before
in
projects
I've
dealt
with
in
Rockland
Park
regarding
the
height
offenses
and
whether
or
not
is
sufficient
and
the
and
I
did
undertake
at
the
time.
Some
conversations
about
that
now,
of
course,
I
can't
speak
for
every
country.
This
was
another
country,
but
the
me
is
probably
not
even
good.
I
If
you
speak
to
that,
I
just
want
to
say
I'm,
not
gonna,
say
the
country
I'm
just
gonna
say
that
when
I
made
these
inquiries,
the
point
was
that
that
their
offenses
are
a
deterrent.
They,
the
security,
is
inside
the
perimeter
of
the
fence
and
the
fences.
No
one
ever
thinks
that
that
that
a
fence,
this
short,
can't
be
jumped.
I
B
B
E
We
were
trying
to
preserve
every
tree
possible
from
3
3
1/2
sides.
We
have
done
that
very
time.
We
need
to
break
the
facade
of
the
trees
that
short
elevation,
which
are
not
up
here,
and
the
other
4
streets
and
they're.
All
basically
is
a
tree
element.
What
you
see
is
trees
and
that's
what
we
want.
The
one
tree
is
deep
and
it's
continuous
as
possible,
so
that's
rule
number
one
for
us
and
as
most
we
can
get
and
preserve
our
foundations.
So
we'll
have
some
setbacks
for
foundations.
E
What
you
see
here,
in
the
end,
the
kind
of
a
big
line
that
goes
around
the
property
is
a
landscape
bar.
This
will
ask
you
about
your
drawing
in
that
curvy
line
that
goes
around
the
property.
Is
the
the
wooded
area
that's
being
preserved?
Not
that
line
there
which
goes
around
and
you
see
the
depth
of
the
trees
and
the
other
tree's
are
being
added.
E
Other
fees
are
being
your
son
will
have
to
be
removed,
that
the
Muslim
can
be
prepped
and
beatitude
when
he's
been
is
because
almost
no
coniferous
trees,
the
property
Alaska
Baga
their
disease
reduce
many
made
coniferous
trees.
You
see
and
light
gray
so
that,
even
in
the
winter
time
this
time
of
year,
the
the
leaves
will
be
off
to
deciduous
trees,
but
the
coniferous
trees,
a
belated,
providing
screening
before
like
four
months
ago,
when
it
wouldn't
be
screened.
E
Otherwise,
so
so
that's
for
the
the
2/3
2/3
in
three
quarters
of
the
property
which
you'll
see
all
your
sees
trees
on
the
front.
We
have
to
put
my
way
in
and
dry,
where
we've
supply,
we've
replaced
those
fees
with
the
first
and
deciduous
trees
along
before
that
on
the
society
I
mean
you
see
it
on
the
property
line
is
deciduous
trees
and
behind
the
coniferous
trees.
E
You
see
this
sort
of
thicker
line,
which
hasn't
been
explained
yet
just
an
appropriate
life
for
an
opening,
but
there
there's
a
great
line
there
and
continues
across
the
entire
property
is
either
edge.
Roll
or
no
planting.
Buddy
you'll
have
to
create
some
screening
for
the
for
the
decorative
fence
then
also
to
to
soften
it,
and
that
could
be
either
on
we've
shown
it
on
the
inside
side,
but
professionally,
so
long
actually
got
to
say
five
feet:
that's
lucky
their
top
of
the
decorative
palm
tree.
E
If
we
decide
to
do
that,
but
the
journey
fences
four
feet
I
and
by
the
way,
a
mother
subjective
defense,
you
need
to
know
that
defense
is
not
just
is
not
only.
We
have
the
perimeter
of
the
property
they
like
trying
to
buy
motion
sensors,
which
we
need.
Rest,
you
don't
need
a
fence
to
start.
You
know
we
don't
need
a
physical
fence.
E
B
E
D
Know
I
when
I
said
it
wasn't.
Yes,
my
sense
of
it
is
that
the
building
itself
is
not
a
concern
to
the
heritage
community.
The
concerns
that
are
being
raised
about
traffic.
If
you
go
all
the
way
through
all
those
residences
it
you
very
rarely
see
any
cars
coming
out
of
them,
except
when
they're
having
an
event
like
a
luncheon
or
an
open
house
which
is
with
the
number
of
embassies
and
ambassador's
residence
in
Rock.
D
Lift
I
would
suspect
that
there's
not
more
than
one
or
two
a
year
of
those
kind
of
events
saw
in
the
then.
The
theme
about
screening,
with
with
trees
I
think,
will
probably
go
a
long
way
to
making
it
up
unobtrusive
as
possible
a
neighborhood
and
also
in
keeping
with
the
character
the
neighborhood.
The
the
amount
of
tree
cover
is
very
important,
so
I
but
I
say
don't
think
it's
wet.
D
And
then
that
timeline
sort
of
puts
the
need
to
the
fact
that
we
could
delay
it
as
we.
If
we
delay
it,
we
lose
the
90
days,
that's
unfortunate
in
a
way
because
we
normally
might
have
for
it
for
the
Christmas
holiday.
We
might
have
some
yeah
another
couple
of
weeks,
so
I
can
sympathize
with
the
what
seems
to
be
extremely
short
notice,
but
also
there's
a
holiday
period
in
there
that
that
complicates
this.
Since
the
application
is
made,
we
have
to
respond.
D
D
Mr.
Jacobs
architectural
colleagues
posing
the
question
of
if
this
committee
approves
the
staff
report,
which
is
to
approve
the
approve,
the
submission,
would
you
willing
to
work
with
staff
and
the
neighbors
to
come
up
with
an
enhanced
landscape
screening
plan
along
birch
Avenue
right
now
you
have
five
deciduous
trees,
a
few
coniferous
trees
on
the
edges,
and
then
you
have
the
fence
with
a
hedge.
E
D
B
E
B
E
E
E
E
That's
the
that's
the
the
trees
that
are
being
maintained,
the
the
force
that
can't
before
us
the
woods,
if
you
know
that's
the
existing
woods.
Okay
in
that
Indian
system,
was
we're
adding
great
circles,
which
are
the
coniferous
trees
that
are
being
added
right
so
that
a
winter
time
you
still
have,
we
improve
the
situation,
have
more
trees
in
the
winter
to
those
four
months.
G
B
E
The
bylaws
with
a
setback,
bylaws,
okay
and
the
other
thing-
is
there's
a
there's.
A
person
in
the
city
has
this
race
strong
rule
about
slurps,
be
no
more
than
eight
percent
of
the
seats
say
about
why
he
raps
being
very
gentle
in
the
city
to
residences-
and
this
is
unusual,
I've
Arab,
this
gentle,
but
we've
complied
with
that
requirement
and
the
desert
added
require
short
length
and
that
length
is
also.
E
E
Just
ever
said,
live
way
wet,
but
can
be
no
less
than
has
to
be
very
gentle,
wrap,
more
gentle,
enormous
area
of
the
city,
FC,
hey,
that's
the
rule
that
we
found
literal
and
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
have
no
committee
just
reminded
various
issues
and
to
be
have
no
setback.
Issues
height
issues
will
over
the
night
by
a
lot
up
by
a
lot
or
way
below
them.
The
height
restriction,
that's
allowed
and
within
the
envelope,
so
the
setbacks
so.
E
B
C
B
Thank
you
any
further
questions
of
mr.
Jacobs.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
for
out
today.
Welcome.
Does
anyone
on
the
committee
have
anything
else
to
just
say,
add:
okay,
so
on
the
recommendation,
is
it
carried
carry
thank
you
so
before
you
leave
gentlemen,
if
you'd
like
to
look
at
those
diagrams
that
we
had
and
and
as
I
said
to
the
staff
I'd
like
to
have
them
in
PDF,
so
we
can
share
them
with
the
community.
I
B
B
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
has
been
an
issue
with
the
public
memory,
since
we
first
did
some
orientation
with
them.
When
the
committee
got
up
and
running
and
more
recently,
I
was
able
to
secure
an
independent
legal
opinion
on
the
matter
that
I
thought
I
will
tailor
with
the
committee
and
then
share
with
the
members.
J
The
subcommittee
was
created
with
expertise
and
public
members
in
mind
in
order
to
provide
an
assist
counsel
with
advice
on
heritage
matters.
The
code
of
conduct
for
members
of
council
is
very
inclusive
because
it
specifically
speaks
to
the
application
of
the
code
to
include
citizen
members
of
both
the
Transit
Commission
and
of
the
built
heritage
subcommittee,
and
a
goes
on
to
point
out
that
for
conflict
of
interest
matters,
reference
has
to
be
made
to
the
municipal
conflict
of
interest.
Act.
J
All
of
those
committees
with
regards
to
matters
under
the
provincial
legislation,
which
I
know
the
members
know
very
well,
and
they
have
been
very
diligent
in
making
those
declarations
over
the
last
two
years
as
a
result
of
a
number
of
variations
on
a
theme.
If
I
would
describe
the
madam
chair,
which
put
the
public
members
in
somewhat
of
a
quandary.
Over
the
last
few
months,
I
decided
to
go
out
and
get
an
independent
legal
opinion
to
see
exactly
where
they
stood.
I
received
that
independent
legal
opinion
on
November
13th
and
will
table
it.
J
Madam
chair
with
the
coordinators
share
with
all
the
members.
Essentially,
it
says
at
the
end
of
the
day
that
this
is
an
advisory
body
to
Council,
unlike
the
Standing
Committee,
which
has
a
certain
amount
of
delegated
authority
and
therefore
as
advisory
members,
the
public
members
are
not
subject
to
the
declaration
requirements
under
the
municipal
conflict
of
interest
act.
Now
before
the
members
who
are
from
Council
get
excited.
You
continue
to
be
subject
to
the
municipal
conflict
of
interest
Act,
because
section
5
of
that
legislation
says
even
if
you're
honored
advisory
committee.
J
So,
madam
chair,
if
that
is
correct
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
certainly
don't
want
to
go
through
any
litigation
to
find
that
out.
I,
don't
think
that
perhaps
then
the
members
will
be
covered
by
the
Advisory
Committee
code
of
conduct,
which
is
very
specific
with
regards
to
conflict
of
interest
matters
for
advisory
committee
members
and
actually
says
that
they
can
come
to
the
city,
clerk
and
solicitor
and
seek
my
direction
advice
on
any
confusing
matters
and
that
they
will
be
bound
by
that.
However,
of
course,
that
isn't
the
way
we
establish
this
committee.
J
Originally,
we
thought
that
they
were
subject
to
the
act
and
they
have
not
been
subject
to
the
advisory
committees
code
of
conduct.
So
we
end
up
madam
chair
in
a
rather
unique
position
of
our
committee
members,
so
we
honor
this
against
a
panel
not
of
the
Transit
Commission.
The
transit
Commission
does
have
delegated
authority,
so
their
public
members
remain
subject
to
the
conflict
of
interest
out.
So
it's
just
the
very
few
members
that
are
working
with
you
that
do
not
appear
at
this
point
to
be
subject
to
any
conflict
of
interest,
regulations
or
rules.
J
So
in
light
of
that
unique
situation,
madam
chair
I
wanted
to
apprise
the
committee
of
it
and
seek
your
direction
on
two
matters
number
one
that
obviously
we
bring
this
back
in
term
of
council
governance
next
fall
to
try
to
clarify
further
what
the
rules
should
be.
If
this
is
the
case
and
number
two,
madam
chair,
that
I
as
they
are
no
longer
in
a
position,
the
public
members
are
being
subject
to
the
municipal
laws
or
the
provincial
legislation
that
I
work
with
them
on
any
issues
they
may
have
over
the
next
interim.
J
So
they
don't
require
independent
legal
advice
costing
their
money
and
that
then
we
work
through
them
with
the
continued
diligence
with
that
I
know,
they've
already
shown
they
have
declared
conflicts
on
numerous
occasions,
but
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
financial
impediment
to
them
having
to
go
out
and
get
that
legal
opinion.
So
those
are
the
two
directions.
Madam
chair
I'm,
seeking
from
the
subcommittee
that's.
B
Excellent
advice
and
I'll
tell
you
that
I
met
with
it's
a
big
well
who,
from
our
perspective,
because
you
know
we
have
this
committee
that
has
been
formed.
The
subcommittee
having
three
experts
is
absolutely
important
and
to
use
the
benefit
of
the
conversation
around
this
table
with
any
of
the
three
of
them
is
not
in
the
best
interest
of
the
subcommittee
and
the
direction
that
we
wanted
to
take
when
it
was
formed,
and
so
I'm
very
happy
to
hear
that.