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D
E
D
And
of
October
10th
Carrie,
thank
you
communications.
We
received
one
from
heritage
matters,
a
publication
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Trust
vol
11
issue
3.
So
what
we're
going
to
do
is
we're
going
to
see
if
any
of
these
things
can
be
carried
on
consent,
I,
don't
I
think
we
have
to
talk
to
every
one
of
them.
We
do
so
yeah
the
first
one
members
of
committee
and
you
will
have
received
a
copy
of
a
letter
of
withdrawal
of
this
application.
Correct
everybody
received
it.
Miss
Coutts.
F
Through
you,
madam
chair,
this,
as
you
know,
it
was
being
deferred
and
deferred
and
what
was
going
to
happen
in
permissions,
etc
were
getting
confusing.
And
so,
in
conjunction
with
the
applicant,
we
decided
that
the
cleanest
way
to
deal
with
this
was
to
withdraw
it
and
when
they
have
sorted
out
the
approach
they're
going
to
take,
they
will
resubmit
and
start
a
brand-new
heritage
application
in
a
new
90
day
time
frame,
and
so
that
legal
told
me
that
the
that
the
to
have
them
write
a
letter
for
money
withdrawing
and
that's
what
they
did.
Good.
D
And
that's
what
we
have
so
item
number
one
is
withdrawn.
Okay
item
number,
two:
first
of
all,
if
anyone
hasn't
wants
to
speak
in
the
audience
and
they
haven't
registered,
yet
you
may
do
so
over
at
the
desk
on
any
of
the
items
we
have
before
us
Fernan
how
much
one
okay,
so
item
number
two
will
be
held
because
we
do
have
a
speaker.
A
delegation.
D
D
G
D
Did
receive
from
Leslie
Maitland
at
Heritage,
Ottawa
and
saying
what
they
are.
You
know
committed
to
saying
all
the
time
which
we
know
where
we
were
and
where
we're
going
and
I
think
that
that's
basically
the
gist
of
it.
The
fact
is
is
that
it's
sad
that
this
building
that
this
home
got
into
the
repair
that
a
disrepair
that
it
did,
but
that's
not
where
the
city's
going
in
the
future
and
they
support
our
new
direction.
They
also
support
the
application.
I.
D
Think
that
does
anyone
on
the
committee
know
we
don't
we
don't
need
you
to
speak
I,
think,
but
before
I
take
the
vote
on
it.
I
just
want
to
say,
I.
Think
it's
very
nice
I
think
that
you've
done
a
really
good
job.
A
personal
level
from
myself
and
so
with
no
further
ado.
Is
that
Kerry?
Thank
you,
get
to
work
and
fix
that
up.
Thank
you,
and
so
our
fourth
item
is
the
designation
of
Boyd
house
on
hunt
Mart,
and
we
do
have
a
speaker
for
that.
D
F
Through
you,
madam
chair,
this
is
an
update
on
the
projects
proposed
for
325
del
housing.
As
you
know,
the
built
heritage
subcommittee,
planning
committee
and
council
have
approved
two
applications
for
this
project,
one
that
involves
reclining
it
and
adding
some
height
and
the
other
that
involves
tearing
it
down
and
rebuilding
it.
Using
the
same
footprint
and
foundation.
F
The
developer
has
now
determined
that
they
will
proceed
with
a
lot
of
permit
applied
for
demolition
permits
of
the
building
under
the
Building
Code
act
and
they're
currently
in
the
process
of
demolishing
the
building,
so
that
is
a
current
status.
The
latter
of
the
two
approvals
that
were
given
is
the
one
that
the
applicant
has
chosen
to
follow.
You
have
been
circulated
a
copy
of
the
UDI
pypy
comments
on
this
project.
F
There
was
a
heritage,
Ottawa
brought
up
a
question
about
timing
and
having
these
earlier
on
in
the
process,
ideally
not
from
our
perspective,
the
UD
RP
will
meet
during
the
period.
This
staff
is
writing
the
heritage
report.
When
this
happens,
we
then
incorporate
his
comments
into
the
heritage
report
for
information.
F
However,
and
but
the
u
d,
RP
comments
are
not
binding
for
designated
properties,
their
recommendations
only
so
on
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
prevails.
That
said,
when
we
have
them
at
in
time,
we
do
take
the
UDI
P
comments
into
account
and
most
often
because
they
help
deal
with
issues
such
as
the
public
realm
and
site
plan
which
are
not
directly
covered
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
F
In
all
cases,
many
of
the
October
3rd
recommendations
from
the
UDI
P
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
deal
with
the
proposed
condo
tower,
which
is
outside
of
the
Heritage
Conservation
District.
But
as
far
as
the
comments
on
the
hotel
at
325
doll
house
er
concerned,
I
can
raise
I
can
answer
some
of
the
questions
that
were
raised.
The
site
plan
has
been
the
site
plan
has
is
in,
and
the
department
has
made
comments
and
they
are
currently
being
considered
by
the
developers.
So
some
of
those
will
be
enacted.
F
For
example,
we
asked
for
ball
boats
for
landscaping
on
del
housing,
because
there
was
questions
about
more
trees
along
Dalhousie,
so
they
are
working
through
a
process
because
they
have
to
apply
for
in
encroachment
into
the
house
II.
There
will
be
more
trees
at
the
rear
of
the
building,
and
the
streetscape
in
them
will
be
other
improved
in
other
ways.
Along
Dalhousie
and
the
question
about
the
the
the
colour
of
the
cladding,
it
is
being
changed
and
being
brought
down
from
white
to
a
grayer
tone.
F
So
those
are
the
responses
so
far
of
the
of
the
applicant
to
the
RDP
idrp
comments
as
far
as
they
relate
to
the
designated
portion
of
them
of
the
building.
None
of
these
are
sufficient
to
prompt
the
need
for
a
new
application
under
the
Heritage
Act.
So,
but
we
are
continuing
to
work
with
the
applicant
that
we
being
there
playing
both
management
on
to
implement
some
of
these
changes.
Thank
you.
F
B
B
D
B
F
Because
there
was
looking
at
the
zoning
and
the
impact
of
the
height,
not
the
actual,
partly
the
design
of
the
building,
but
again
the
changes
are
minor
enough
and
that
and
that
and
moving
in
a
direction
that
everybody
agrees
with
it.
The
city
doesn't
require
updates
to
cultural
heritage
impact
statements
in
those
cases.
D
All
right,
we
do
have
two
speakers,
we
have
David
Fleming
first
up
and
then
we
have
Donna
Kearns
and
just
so
that
you
know
this
is
really
not
the
norm
that,
when
we're
just
having
an
update,
so
I
would
ask
you
to
speak
to
what
the
comments
were.
That
came
from
the
presentation
for
miss
Coutts.
Yes,
welcome.
Thank
you.
G
I,
just
want
to
reiterate
Leslie
Layton's
letter
in
this
I
guess
are
concerned
with
with
this
process
is
that
we
seem
to
have
two
silos
here.
We
have
one
dealing
with
zoning
and
one
dealing
with
design
and
I
guess
our
feeling
is
that
they
should
be
melded
together
sometime
early
on
in
the
plan
planning
stages
rather
than
having
it
come
sort
of
afterwards.
G
I
think
it's
important
that
as
part
of
your
consideration
of
things
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
that
you'll
be
able
to
see
documents
like
this
as
part
of
the
consideration,
because
it's
a,
although
legally
and
technically
it
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
Heritage
I
think
it's
it's
a
document,
that's
very
important
and
trying
to
have
it
considered
after
the
fact
is
sometimes
unfortunate.
Thank
you
just.
D
The
question
is
basically
it's
not
a
question.
There
was
a
statement
and
he's
saying:
you've
probably
heard
that
where
this
goes
to
it
doesn't
come
back
here,
it
will
with
the
changes
that
will
go
or
the
site
plan
in
this
case
will
go
to
the
Planning
Committee
as
opposed
to
come
back
to
this
committee,
and
he
think
I'm
right
so
far
mr.
furnish,
and
he
thinks
that
there
should
be
a
greater
connect
between
the
people
that
value
heritage
and
this
committee
and
that
follow-up
and
is
their
ability
to
do
so.
E
E
F
We
do
attempt
when
we
know
that
a
building
is
going
to
design
review
panel,
that
it
be
done
while
we're
waiting
that
the
the
staff
report,
but
we
always
have
to
keep
an
eye
on
a
90
day
time
frame.
So
if
an
application
comes
in
and
the
you
DRP
meeting
for
that
application
is
not
scheduled
until
after
the
90
days
are
over.
F
It
is
impossible
for
us
to
then
implement
the
recommendations
of
the
urban
design
review
panel
into
our
into
our
work
and
what,
if
an
application
is
complete,
we
can't
put
it
on
hold
to
wait
for
you
DRP.
So
what
we
ask
for
is
that
that
the
processes
are
parallel,
so
there
can
be
that
information
can
be
incorporated
in
the
heritage
report,
but
it's
not
always
possible
and.
D
D
You
know
where,
when
we're
getting
to
know
each
other
in
the
respect
that
I
know
that
these
issues
are
very
important,
we
all
do
to
the
Lowertown
community
association
in
this
case,
with
this
specific
application,
and
so
we
need
to
get
better
were
possible
at
communicating
with
you
things
that
happen
beyond
the
built
heritage
committee.
So
your
my
commitment
to
you
is:
we
are
on
our
way
to
doing
that.
Okay,
so,
but
thank
you
mr.
Fleming,
for
coming
for.
Did
you
have
anything
chef,
yeah.
B
I
think
that
dared
Fleming's
comment
is
relevant
not
just
to
this
project,
because
we
have
the
you
DRP
comments
in
front
of
us.
You
know
much
later
after
the
recommendation
was
made,
but
I
think
on
all
other
projects
where
there
is
the
need
for
the
you
DRP
panel
and
the
you
staff
to,
and
this
committee
to
work
together.
I
think
the
point
is
correct
and
that
there
should
be
less
of
the
silos
and
I
would
just
leave
it
to
staff.
D
The
problem
that
we
have,
though,
is
with
the
heritage
and
the
90-day
time
exactly.
We
also
have
a
volunteer
body
of
the.
U
DRP
that
we
get
we're
not
bringing
together
at
the
were
at
the
whim
or
the
will
of
an
application,
that's
going
to
be
triggered
by
90
days.
They
would
cost
us
too
much
to
bring
people
with
that
kind
of
expertise
or
don't
all
live
here
in
Ottawa
for
one
thing.
D
But
having
said
that,
we
are
more
cognizant
about
the
fact
that,
where
we,
where
we
want
to
go
with
this
and
having
that
review
in
a
more
timely
fashion,
so
maybe
we
have
to
change
some
things
around
organizationally.
We
will
do
our
best
to
do
that,
but
and
and
I
and
I'm
belief
in
speaking
to
the
bosses
of
miss
Collins
and
miss
Coutts
that
that's,
they
certainly
are
aware-
and
I've
discussed
this
with
chair
Hume
of
the
planning
committee
as
well,
where
we
actually
you'd
be
surprised,
talk
about
heritage,
a
lot
at
the
city.
D
Now
we
do
and
it's
because
of
the
change
in
this
committee,
and
so
as
I
said
earlier,
is
still
you
know,
it's
a
it's
step
by
step.
What
else
can
we
do?
How
can
that
work
and
how
can
it
fit,
but
there
still
will
you
know
there
are
some
challenges,
I
guess,
but
we
are
trying
very
hard.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
funny,
Donna
Donna
crying.
E
Have
been
following
the
progress
on
this
project
for
some
time
and
I
understand
to
speak
directly
to
what's
been
raised
today.
Firstly,
a
new
first
comment
that
I
would
make
is
that
thanks
is
that
the
this
project
went
before
the
urban
design
review
panel
in
a
closed-door
session
some
time
ago
and
I
attended
the
meeting
this
October
third
meeting
with
other
representative
of
Lower
Town
and
the
frustration
of
the
board
members
was
palpable.
E
So
that's
a
key
point
that
when
you're
talking
about
time
and
zoning
and
to
approve
zoning
at
the
urban
design
review
panel,
I
understand
only
have
the
power
to
recommend
not
to
enforce.
But
our
frustration
is
that
now
for
reasons
that
are
technical,
that
I
don't
understand
a
project
that
has
been
identified
as
having
severe
flaws.
E
In
fact,
at
that
meeting,
it
was
said
to
take
the
project
off
the
table
and
start
over
to
literally
start
over
that
there
were
so
many
issues
that
they
considered
to
be
problems,
one
of
them
that
I
didn't
understand
that
they
were
talking
about
this
first
project,
basically
taking
all
of
the
view,
this
prominent
view
towards
the
Parliament
Buildings
and
having
two
blank
walls
on
the
other
side
with
no
views,
no
access-
and
it's
obvious
to
me-
I'm
I'm,
an
amateur,
but
that
there's
another
project
going
to
go
in
there.
That
will
block
those
sides.
E
The
configuration
the
footprint
of
the
building
was
considered
to
be
flawed,
this
l-shape,
which
takes
up
more
room
than
theirs
necessary
for
us
as
a
community.
What
we
understand
is
that
these
two
projects
were
presented
as
one
that
the
hotel
was
going
to
be
reclad
and
that
andö
development
was
going
to
go
in
and
that
there
would
be
underground
parking
in
the
condo
development,
not
in
the
hotel,
because
the
hotel
was
not
being
demolished
at
the
very
last
minute
was
very
little
consultation
and
I.
E
E
D
We
can
talk
about
today
what's
before
us
and
what
she
what
mr.
Koontz
was
talking
about
and
as
I
said
before,
we
recognize
that
we
are
because
in
90
days
was
where
sometimes
struggling,
but
don't
don't
think
for
one
minute
that
the
rule
of
thumb
goes
to
the
urban
design
review
urban
design
review
panel.
In
fact,
what
we're
doing
that
the
city
is
we're
investing
in
a
lot
of
the
staff
within
the
planning
problem,
so
they
have
that
expertise
as
well.
I
just.
E
D
Oh
I
was
11
meeting
and
but
what
I
can
tell
you
is
the
fact
that,
because
you
have
been
coming
to
our
Heritage
Committee
and
because
we
were
able
to
have
that
before
the
urban
design
review
panel,
there
are
going
to
be
some
changes
that
staff
are
working
on
in
the
past.
That
didn't
happen.
There's
some
things
we
can
deal
with
in
some
things
we
can't,
but
we
are
cognizant
of
trying
to
get
that
before
them
when
they
are
here
meeting
on
issues
with
regard
to
planning
and
open
design
review.
F
Two
or
three
years
and
lots
of
times
we
do
get
the
comments,
and
sometimes
when
there
the
report
is
finished,
but
then
that
meeting
happens
and
then
built
heritage
happens.
We
circulate
them
to
the
committee,
so
they
can
take
them
into
account
and
maybe
a
change
staff
recommendation
or
something.
So
we
do
our
utmost.
But
again
this
you
know
the
first
application
for
this
was
was
last
spring.
They
received
their
first
as,
after
a
consultation
with
heritage
professionals.
We
made
a
recommendation
my
spring
and
then
another
one
last
July,
so.
D
You've
made
we
actually
have
paid
very
big
inroads,
I'm
sure,
with
the
people
that
here
are
here
that
are
mr.
Podolski.
Did
you
and
vice
chair
Podolski
I,
don't
know
I
got
so
formal
with
you
all
of
us
on
have
a
hard
enough
time.
Remember
what
to
call
you
in
the
first
place.
Did
you
have
any
comments
just
to
finish
this
well.
B
D
It
wasn't
in
place
for
the
ones
that
were
a
couple
of
years
ago.
This
is
the
city.
The
planning
department
has
made
a
lot
of
headway
in
a
lot
of
areas
and
we've
made
major
headway
when
it
comes
to
heritage.
We've
made
it
from
this
perspective
of
having
this
committee,
but
also
the
attention
that
we're
giving
to
the
homes
that
are
derelict.
You
know
every
time
that
we
have
an
application,
whether
is
demolishing
demolition
involved,
we're
still
hearing
I
mean
Russell
made
one
or
one
of
you
as
saying
this
didn't
need
to
happen.
D
D
E
The
final
thing
that
I'd
say
is
that
I
think
that
to
to
know
that
these
permanent
structures
are
being
put
in
place
with
this
tremendous
impact
on
our
computer
on
our
community
is
for
me
personally,
a
real
shock
by
I.
Look
to
City
Hall
I,
look
to
the
politicians
in
to
the
planners
to
represent
us,
and
that's
the
only
reason
why
I
come
to
these
meetings.
Now,
because
I
see
that
the
pace
of
progress
is
slow,
a
Claridge
development
should
be
permitted
to
build
their
developers
and
they
have
every
right
to
build.
E
What
they
need
is
support
from
the
community
from
the
city
staff
and
from
the
community
itself
to
say
what
what
not
not
how
to
spend
their
money
but
how
to
incorporate
into
a
heritage
conservation
district.
It's
essential
that
these
buildings
be
considered
and
when
we
have
representatives
professionals
who
raise
the
questions
that
were
raised
at
that
meeting,
I'm
just
stunned.
That's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you.
Thank.
D
D
So
is
the
we
would
just
receive
the
brief
verbal
update,
which
wasn't
brief
good.
Thank
you.
Okay.
So,
on
to
item
number
four,
a
designation
of
Boyd
house
173
Hunt
mud
drive.
This
was
previously
before
us.
It's
under
part
for
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
and
that
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
recommend
the
planning
committee
recommend
council
issue
a
notice
of
intention
to
designate
the
Boyd
house
I.
D
A
Miguel
Tremblay
and
who
and
who
are
you
with
Miguel
I,
know
he's
with
potent
sorry,
okay,
so
if
you
both
were
going
to
come
forward,
I
think
that
we
may
just
go
right
to
questions.
If
anybody
has
any
questions.
I
know
that
you
and
I
were
chatting
yesterday
about
the
future
of
this
property.
I'd,
like
you
to
remind
us,
if
you
will
there
lay
of
the
land
with
where
the
house
sets
what
the
intent
of
that
large
parcel
and
is
what
the
positioning
is
of
the
Boyd
home.
D
These
are
the
the
nearest
service
saying
visa
V,
the
nearest
road
and
I
know
that
we
also
talked
about
if
they,
if
you
can't
rent
the
the
home
in
the
interim,
because
it's
gonna
be
five
years
at
least
before
servicing.
Right
so
before
anything
goes
ahead
on
that
site.
If
you
can't
rent
the
home,
then
what
can
you
do
with
it?
Like?
Can
you
board
up
the
windows?
Can
you
put
bales
of
hay
around
it
just
to
maintain
it
that
sort
of
thing
so,
okay,.
H
So
I'll
provide
a
little
bit
of
context,
a
little
bit
of
context
and
then
I
will
make
a
few
points
and
then
I
have
a
suggestion
at
the
end.
So
this
is
approximately
ten
acres.
It
is
in
the
south
southwest
quadrant
of
Canada
West.
The
Scotiabank
place
is
to
the
north,
the
tangora
LM,
all
under
construction,
the
interchange
of
the
Queensway
and
I'm,
referring
you
here
in
to
the
far
far
graphic
here
and
the
lands
to
the
south
are
the
madami
subdivision
currently
under
construction,
and
this
is
a
future
elementary
school
site.
H
This
is
hunt
Mawr
Drive,
and
this
is
palladium
here
in
the
auto
park-
sits
right
here.
Mr.
Karin
bought
the
property
box.
Mainly
ten
years
ago,
we've
been
dealing
with
the
city
for
about
five
on
pre-application
consultation,
the
issue
that
really
has
been
delaying
us
submitting
applications
as
the
notion
of
site
servicing.
We
could
probably
do
interim
servicing
and
in
three
years,
but
ultimate
municipal
servicing,
is
about
five
years
away.
H
Mattamy
has
capacity
here,
they're
under
construction,
there's
gaps
in
the
Kannada
West
concept,
plan
area
that
don't
allow
the
complete
development
of
the
lands
until
additional
infrastructure.
Kanata
west
pump
station
needs
to
be
constructed
on
the
rich
craft
lands
to
the
east,
so
there
are
servicing
constraints.
We
had
met
with
the
city
on
previous
occasions
and
I
brought
this
to
the
committee's
attention
last
time.
It
was
unfortunate
because
those
initial
meetings
didn't
include
any
discussion
of
site
service.
H
Sorry
of
the
Heritage
implications,
and
my
plea
to
the
committee
last
time
was:
please
consider
putting
your
registry
your
list
online
through
your
EMAP
system.
In
fairness,
your
planner
didn't
know
either
at
the
time
your
your
your
development
planner
and
it
wasn't
flagged
and
since
then
properties
are
purchased
and
properties
are
financed
in
this
case
refinanced,
even
without
the
knowledge
of
the
Heritage
implications.
There
are
certain
obligations
when
a
an
owner
goes
to
his
financier
to
disclose
these
kind
of
things,
and-
and
in
this
case
it
wasn't
so
it
has
implications
for
mr.
H
Kerem
if
the
city
does
choose
to
designate.
We
also
want
to
raise
the
issue
of
implications.
You
can
faintly
make
out
the
outline
of
the
of
the
house
here.
There
were
some
bonds.
The
bonds
have
since
been
removed.
This
property
is
is
considerably
segregated
from
this
is
not
a
road
to
the
south.
It's
merely
a
residential
subdivision.
The
only
road
access
is
is
off.
Hunt
Mar
down
this
driveway
and
the
house
sits
right
here.
H
H
It's
it's
problematic
from
a
liability
perspective
and
that's
why
mr.
Kerem
chose
to
hire
contractor
and
demo
the
building
to
address
the
liability
issues
and
I
simply
want
to
remind
the
committee
again
that
when
you
designate
a
property
of
this
nature,
the
owner
does
incur
liabilities.
I
can
tell
you
that
we've
hired
a
heritage
consultant
mr.
Bray
Kyle
Bray,
to
give
us
advice
in
terms
of
interim.
What
do
we
do
in
the
interim
to
solidify
this
structure
and
and
absolve
or
minimize
liabilities,
but
at
the
same
time
we're
also
seeking
direction
from
mr.
H
Area
is
part
of
a
mixed-use
center.
It's
expected
to
be
very
intensive.
The
kanata
west
concept
plan
calls
it
out
as
residential
area
be.
The
recent
o
P
assigns
heights
of
in
the
six
storey
range
here
it
could
be
residential.
The
city
is
also
encouraging
us,
because
the
lands
to
the
north
are
employment
to
consider
employment
on
these
lands,
we're
working
on
a
proposal
that
might
include
a
small
hotel
on
the
property.
This
is
intended
to
be
a
very
intensive
development
to
fulfill
the
vision
of
Kannada
West.
H
With
that
in
mind,
what
we're
suggesting
to
the
committee,
because
we
expect
you
to
seek
designation
or
notice
to
designate
what
we're
encouraging
you
to
do
is
allow
us
to
not
designate
previously.
We
gave
this
committee
comfort
that
mr.
Kerem
and
his
assignees
would
not
seek
a
demolition
permit.
We
stayed
that
we
gave
the
city
a
letter
saying
we
won't
reactivate
that
we're
willing
to
extend
that
commitment,
make
it
firmer
and
allow
us
to
work
with
your
development
staff
to
come
up
with
now.
H
We're
gonna
have
to
change
the
development
vision,
I'll
admit
when
we
came
here
a
month
and
a
half
ago
we
were
hoping
that
the
city
would
not
seek
to
designate
you
are
now
we
have
to
rethink
what
we're
doing.
As
an
example,
there's
a
collector
road
shown
in
very
close
to
almost
exact
proximity
to
where,
where
this
heritage
house
is
we're,
gonna
have
to
rethink
our
concept
plan.
We're
gonna
be
asking
for
a
pretty
broad
range
of
Zoning
on
the
house
itself,
because
mr.
cams
gonna
have
to
lease
it.
H
So
we
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do
ahead
of
us
and
we'd,
rather
not
do
it
in
the
context
of
a
designation
we'd,
rather
tell
you
we're
not
going
to
the
building
and
allow
us
to
work
through
staff,
to
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
reassign
all
of
this.
This
development
intensity
and
figure
out
what
our
new
vision
is
for
the
property.
So.
D
If
I
think
about
the
hope
side-
road,
for
example
the
Hope
House
right
now-
is
they
moved
to
the
road
so
that
it
has
site
and
takes
it
out
like
it
like?
If
you
look
at
this
location,
is
that
where
that
house
should
stay,
you
know
forever
likely
not,
but
the
way
you're
saying
is
you
don't
know
about
yet
right.
H
And
this
this
is
going
to
be
a
four
lane.
Divided
arterial
roadway-
maybe
maybe
that's
where
it
goes.
I
don't
know
we
haven't
been.
We
got
some
advice,
I,
don't
think
the
owner
likes
it
as
much.
It
sounds
like
it's
gonna
be
very
expensive
and
difficult
to
move
it,
but
it's
again
another
reason
not
to
pursue
the
designation.
Now
in
the
hopes
that
we
come
up
with
a
solution.
I
mentioned,
you
know
a
hotel
proposal,
maybe
maybe
he
gets
transferred
and
becomes
a
conference
center
for
the
hotel.
I,
don't
know.
I
D
How
how,
in
light
of
what
you
heard
from
from
mr.
Tremblay,
how
can
we,
if
we
chose
to
work
with
them?
What
would
we
need
to
assure
that
there
would
be
no
demolition
other
than
the
fact
that
we
can
obviously
have
control
over
the
demolition
order
anyway
correct?
We
have
that,
but
something
stronger
than
that,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
save
the
house,
we
make
it
a
home
or
we
make
it
an
integral
part
of
a
development
that,
for
the
very
reasons
we
think
it's
important
is
it
is
actually
realized.
E
Chair,
given
the
commitment
that
we've
heard
from
the
delegate
this
morning
to
strengthen
the
earlier
agreement
that
he
had
provided
to
ensure
that
no
demolition
would
be
or
no
demolition
application
would
be,
reactivated,
I
think
it's
possible
for
staff
to
to
work
with
the
owner
to
extend
that
agreement
or
strengthen
that
agreement
to
allow
staff
to
work
with
the
delegate
in
in
the
hopes
that
a
resolution
can
come
about
with
respect
to
this
development.
If
at
any
time
it
does
not.
E
A
So
in
order
to
serve
this
house
better
in
the
future
in
terms
of
your
heritage,
designation,
I
think
it
may
have
to
be
relocated
or
may
have
to
be
repositioned.
So
all
of
that
has
to
take
place
when
the
application
comes
for
development
in
this
area
and
that's
when
it
would
be
make
more
sense
to
decide
all
that
sophistication
for
this
house.
The
other
thing-
and
the
other
thing
I'm
going
to
make
comment
on
this
mr.
A
chair,
is
the
fact
that
from
there
the
proponent
would
like
to
see
not
only
the
fact
that
they
would
not
demolish
it,
but
I
also
want
them
to
take
care
of
the
building
in
terms
of
use.
In
my
conversation
outside
they
mentioned
that
some
of
the
windows
are
broken
and
stuff,
something
they
need
to
go
back
and
do
some
work
on
it
in
order
to
secure
it
properly,
and
then
you
know,
withdraw
the
demolition
pretty
much
with
their
already
done
and
move
forward
with
the
process
as
we're
being
recommended
by
the
chair.
That.
D
And
that
sounds
good,
but
you're
right
I
mean
we've
got
to
find
a
way.
If
the
committee,
if
committee
agrees
that
the
end
state
of
this
home
look
around
us
and
I
mean
I,
would
we
would
be
hard-pressed
not
to
say
that
there
is
significant
value
and
agree
with
our
planning
staff,
our
hair,
just
playing
style
I
mean
in
addition
to
the
home
itself,
I
mean
anything
to
do
with
the
Bradley
family
in
the
Statesville
area
is
solid.
Gold
and
the
rest
of
the
connections
are
as
well,
but
looking
at
the
size
of
this
property.
D
Looking
at
the
location
of
the
home,
I
can't
for
the
life
of
me
think
that
that's
going
to
be
the
best
place
for
the
permanent
place
for
it
and
I.
Don't
think
we
know
that
yet,
but
how
do
we
make
sure
miss
enta
or
heritage?
Stop?
How
do
we
make
sure
that
that
maintenance
is
done
to
a
standard?
That's
going
to
not
put
us
in
the
same
boat
that
we
end
up
being
in
I
know
we
have
the
bylaw,
but
but
I'll
tell
you.
D
I
mentioned
the
White
House
I'll,
tell
you
what
a
White
House
is.
It's
the
mckenna
farmstead
in
in
bar
Haven,
that
became
isolated.
The
family
moved
out,
the
kids
moved
in
the
the
drugs
and
the
rock
and
roll
and
the
actually
not
rock
and
roll
they
no
longer
have
rock
and
roll
the
drugs.
The
alcohol
and
the
abuse
of
the
space
is
horrific.
D
Okay
and
in
that
location,
it
doesn't
get
much
better
for
obscurity.
I'm
telling
you
right
now
unless
there's
a
reason:
the
cops
not
driving
driving
down
that
gravel
road.
So
what
can
we
do
to
make
sure
that
doesn't
become
a
white
house
that
we
do
have
a
good
product
to
work
with
when
the
time
comes
and
the
time
may
be
sooner?
I
would
really
hope
that
you
would
try
to
get
it
rented
I
mean
the
NCC
rents,
a
lot
of
properties
that
are
kind
of
in
obscure
locations
as
well.
E
Madam
chair,
through
you,
if
the
proponent
is
willing
to
enter
into
an
agreement
with
the
city
regarding
the
extension
of
the
consideration
so
that
they
may
discuss
developing
this
property
with
staff.
Certainly
we
can
also
add
conditions
to
that
for
the
maintenance
of
this
property.
I
would
seem
to
me
that
it
would
be
in
the
owners
best
interest
to
ensure
that
this
property
was
maintained
and
took
steps
to
secure
the
property,
as
is
his
obligation
and.
D
Again
beyond
you
know
what
I
think
by
law,
just
by
law
is
going
by
and
they're
checking
for
basic
things.
This
would
be.
This
would
really
be
working
with
the
developer
to
maximize
the
future
of
this
home,
which
again
I
think
that
we're
around
the
table
are
all
believing.
Is
anybody
else
at
mr.
vice
chair,
Podolski
question.
I
Through
you,
madam
chair,
as
as
we
always
say,
we're
willing
to
work
with
the
developer
to
come
up
with
a
solution
that
preserves
the
building
in
and
also
meets
the
desires
of
the
developer,
to
develop
their
property.
I
would
agree
with
MS
enta
that,
through
any
agreement
that
the
city
would
enter
into
with
the
developer
to
sort
of
stay
the
desert.
For
now,
there
should
be
prescribed
maintenance
and
upkeep
requirements,
potentially
mirroring
what
is
in
the
new
vacant
buildings
by
law,
the
standards
for
heritage
buildings.
I
So
even
though
this
is
not
a
heritage
building,
yet
we
would
look
for
those
same
standards,
so
boarding
up
the
windows.
Turning
off
all
the
systems,
that
sort
of
thing
and
so
I
think
that
that
is
what
could
be
prescribed
through
through
an
agreement,
something
along
those
lines,
and
we
could
work
with
the
with
the
property
owner
to
come
up
with
that.
I'm
not
sure
I
agree
that
the
building
should
be
moved,
but
that
can
come
later.
I.
D
Well,
they
also
triggered
is
belief
around
the
committee
for
sure
and
within
the
heritage
staff
that
this
was
a
valuable
property.
To
maintain.
I
would
also
want
to
see
to
be
felt.
What
you're
saying
is
that
in
beyond
having
bylaw
on
their
routes,
go
by
I'd
like
to
have
some
kind
of
a
security
situation
where
either
the
onus
was
on
the
owner
to
show
that
it
had
been
part
monitor
to
have
monitored
as
part
of
their
property.
They
probably
have
more
than
one
property.
If
they
don't,
there
would
be
a
way
to
do
that.
D
I,
just
I
I
think
that
that's
very
important.
We
absolutely
are
not
going
to
stand
for
this
place
to
fall
into
neglect,
and
so
what
we
need
to
have
a
mechanism.
That's
going
to
trigger
that.
Come
back
to
this
committee
to
say:
okay,
you
in
good
faith,
we
agreed
to
do
something
that
we
felt
was
in
the
best
interest
of
the
future
of
the
Boyd
house.
G
Have
a
question
for
for
mr.
Collins:
okay,
better
and
your
presentation-
I
remember
it,
but
it
was
a
couple
of
meetings
ago
and
I.
Guess
I'd,
like
I,
understand
that
the
recommendation
for
the
designation
deals
with
the
exterior
of
the
building,
but
this
building
was
part
of
a
collection
of
other
a
complex.
G
Shall
we
say
of
other
buildings
which
included
some
outbuildings
a
part
of
a
farmstead
and
I
would
like,
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
speak
if
you
could
speak
a
little
bit
to
the
cultural
landscape
side
of
this
issue,
which
I
don't
think
we've
talked
about
at
all
today
and
I
think
we
have
talked
about
the
potential
of
moving
the
building,
but
I
think
there
are
implications
around
that.
The
cultural
landscape
question.
Thank
you
through.
I
You,
madam
chair
I,
think
that's
a
very
good
point,
despite
the
fact
that
the
out
buildings
that
were
on
the
site
have
since
been
demolished,
there
is
still
a
very
clear
cultural
landscape
here,
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
features
of
that
cultural
landscape
is
is
the
setback
from
from
hunter
via
a
long
driveway
lined
with
trees.
That
is
part
of
that
cultural
landscape.
So
I
think
that
you
know
the
implication
in
moving
it
on
to
you
know.
An
arterial
road
is
is
maybe
not
the
best
route
to
go.
I
This
week
with
the
developer,
it's
actually
going
to
be
moved
about
20
meters.
It's
retained,
one
of
the
things
that
we
really
stuck
with
that
one
is
it's
retaining
its
orientation
to
old,
Richmond
Road,
so
we
didn't,
they
had
originally
wanted
to
turn
in
on
its
side
and
move
it
down
the
road.
You
know.
That's
not,
and
so
the
agreement
that
we
came
to
is
that,
yes,
it
could
be
moved.
J
D
I
think
you
heard
from
mr.
Tremblay
that
he
wants
to
cover
those
bases
to
the
to
the
enth
degree.
He
can
even
say
no.
If
he
said
it
could
be
a
Cabana
for
the
hotel
pool.
You
know
I'm
sure
that
that's
not
likely
to
happen,
but
we
don't
know
that
because
we
what
we
don't
know,
we
don't
really
know
anything.
We
don't
know
much.
We
know
what's
happening
around
there
in
councilor
cadres
area
Ward.
D
We
know
that
there's
an
extreme
amount
of
development.
We
know
that
the
servicing
is
a
challenge
and
we
figure
that
the
servicing
likely
will
be
on
pace
for
that
length
of
time.
But
as
long
as
we
maintain
the
property-
and
it
remains
on
the
heritage-
Oh
registry-
we'll
put
it-
then
that
would
be
part
of
it.
G
G
H
We
we
heard
the
message
loud
and
clear:
it
I
think
are
the
main
reason
to
defer.
Is
we
a?
We
have
to
rethink
our
concept
plan
and
we
have
to
rethink
it.
There's
an
arterial,
a
collector
and
a
collector,
that's
going
to
bomb
this
site,
so
we
have
to
appreciate
where
it's
going
to
fit
in
into
the
new
context.
We
know
where
it
fits
in
into
the
existing.
The
new
context
should
probably
dictate,
and
maybe
it
stays
exactly
where
it
is
I,
don't
know
you
know
we
have
to
be
mindful,
and
that
was
kind
of.
H
The
second
reason
is:
we
have
to
be
mindful
of
the
implications
to
the
rest
of
the
property
and,
if
maybe
it
moves
six
meters
to
make
sure
we
have
reasonable
development
blocks
along
the
arterial.
You
know
it
could
be
a
as
subtle
as
that
or
it
could
could
stay
in
place.
It
could
I
also
understand
it
might
be
cost
prohibitive
to
move
this
house
so
from
the
early
information
we've
gotten.
So
maybe
maybe
we
just
leave
it
in
exactly
the
same
location,
but
we
don't
know
yet.
Okay,.
D
A
B
C
Hunt
mark
and
also
the
amount
you
enjoyed-
that's
also
going
to
take
a
portion
of
the
land.
That's
budding
on
to
the
present
row
that
we
have,
which
is
not
paved
at
the
moment
you
mentioned
about
protecting
the
property,
we're
trying
to
do
the
best
we
can
and
despite
our
efforts,
we
find
that
these
Christian
getting
when
you
mentioned
about
such
drugs
and
rock
and
roll,
and
that's
that's,
what's
happening
out
there
and
it's
hard
to
control
that
it's
last
reason
why
I
asked
for
a
demolition.
C
C
On
the
premise,
it
presents
a
risk
in
terms
of
financial
risk
to
us
because
of
the
mortgagee
mortgagee,
wasn't
aware
of
the
fact
that
we
had
a
property
was
designated
or
to
be
designated
heritage,
and
you
know
how
mortgages
worked
is
they?
May
they
may
decide
to
yank
the
entire
financing
which
will
put
the
project
into
jeopardy?
C
For
me,
as
a
small
developer,
I'm
willing
to
respect
the
decision
that
we
made
today
and
I'll
work
and
cooperate
in
any
way,
I
can
to
get
to
get
the
building
boarded
or
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
protect
it,
but
there
have
been
issuing
the
password
and
the
kids
have
gone
in.
They've
returned
the
hydro
off.
They
turn
the
hydro
on
I.
Don't
know
how
they
did
it.
So
I
had
to
get
harder
one
again
to
switch
that
off.
Then
you
had
a
propane
tank
that
was
emptied.
C
C
Building,
do
you
know
who's
in
it
and
when
we
turn
the
hydro
out,
they
put
some
candies
in
there,
the
little
candies
and
they're
having
a
ball
and
there's
no
way
that
you
can
actually
control
that
you
try
and
board
one
side,
because
it's
so
isolated
at
the
present
time
is
really
hard
to
monitor.
We
did
for
the
gate
in
there,
so
at
least,
if
I'm
playing
gates.
D
D
H
H
B
H
D
I
mean,
ideally,
if
it
end
up
being
this,
but
we
don't
know
that
mean
in
Long
fields.
For
example,
we
have
the
James
long
house,
which
was
captain
long
Phil
Zimbardo
van.
Do
we
make
that
is
that
gonna
Tara
touch
designation,
it's
done
well
should
come
to
think
of
it.
It's
on
James
on
court,
people
don't
think
their
heritage
and
bar
Haven.
D
A
You
very
much
madam
chair
and
just
two
points
to
this
process.
This
morning
today,
the
houses
we've
got
a
problem
because
it's
isolated
tomorrow
the
house
will
have
a
worse
problem
because
gonna
be
visible
and
not
only
visible,
but
it's
going
to
have,
as
Miguel
mentioned,
about
the
north-south
arterial,
the
collector
Road
and
the
collector
Road.
So
you
know
for
us
to
sit
here
and
say
well,
we
should
protect
the
cultural
aspect
of
the
landscape.
A
You
know
in
order
to
respect
the
ownership
of
the
land,
you
have
to
be
careful
as
to
how
much
tape
you
use
on
their
hands
in
order
to
bind
their
hands
for
this
to
a
development
I'm
all
for
designation
of
the
property
as
a
heritage
designated
property
in
the
future.
But
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
to
restrict
all
14
acres
of
this
property
from
a
cultural
aspect
of
that
land
in
terms
of
a
farmstead
or
what-have-you
going
forward.
So
you
have
to
be
careful
as
to
how
we'd
react
to
this.
A
The
building
is
where
the
key
is
in
this
property
and
building
is
where
the
heritage
value
should
be
placed
on
and
is
placed
on
a
normal
circumstance.
Why
are
we
talking
about
cultural
aspect
of
the
entire
property?
Is
a
little
bit
beyond
me
because,
like
I
said
in
the
future,
you'll
have
a
north-south
arterial
you're
going
to
have
to
collect
roads.
That
is
already
you
know,
part
of
the
infrastructure
for
this
area.
D
Don't
think
that
wasn't
the
intent
the
intent
was,
the
cultural
landscape
is
where
it
sits
today
and
where
the
foundations,
perhaps
of
those
outhouses,
are
so
not
certainly
up
to
hunt
more,
for
example.
But
you
know
I've.
Just
we've
been
talking
about
this
a
lot,
but
before
you
speak,
I
just
want
to
say
that
our
legal
adviser
is.
D
B
B
The
owner
has
a
good
planning
consultant
and
he's
got
a
good
heritage
consultant
and
I
would
strongly
advise
that
the
conditions
that
are
drafted
should
the
designation
be
deferred,
make
certain
that
the
owner
under
case
best
efforts
to
find
ways
to
protect
the
house
in
the
interim
period
and
that
might
include
finding
a
use
for
it
in
the
interim.
Well.
D
He
they
are
interested
in
renting
it
as
a
home
if,
if
there's
willingness
or
renting
it
for
another
use,
because
that
was
said
to
me
yesterday-
so
that's
what
it
I
think.
What
we
heard
from
the
applicant
is
that
if
they
do
everything
perfectly,
it
still
may
not
be
enough
and
no
matter
what
we
do
today
right,
but
that
motion
I
think
for
speaks
to
security,
which
normally
it
wouldn't
speak
to
security
that
would
be
implied
and
understood
through
the
bylaw
and
the
work
that
they're
doing
this
beefs.
D
That
up,
but
I
didn't
hear
I'm
I.
What
I
heard
from
him
is
what
I
know
I
have
been
to
enough
white
houses,
okay
and
they're,
not
necessarily
white,
but
the
fact
is
is
that's
what
the
police
column?
That's
what
we
know
them
to
be,
and
often
you
don't
a
week
can
week
have
it
on
them
in
that
space.
So
the
security
that
is
in
that
deferral,
motion
I,
think
is
it's
strong
language,
it
doesn't
just
say:
live
with
the
bylaws,
as
approved
by
the
City
of
Ottawa.
G
D
It
was
good
the
decision
we
made
visa
V
the
banknote
building
and
why
we
made
that
decision.
Okay
made
that
decision,
because
it
was
the
right
one
to
do.
We
weren't
under
pressure
that
wasn't
going
to
happen
imminently.
We
weren't
going
to
face
a
destruction,
a
demolition
of
that
building.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
we
preserve
the
facade,
but
we
didn't
want
to
tie
the
their
hands
to
being
able
to
have
access
to
money
to
do
good
things
with
it
right
and
I.
Think
that
that's
this
is
this.
Is
somebody
said
something
about
that
today?
D
D
D
You
are
across
the
street,
basically
with
bylaw
officers
in
the
area,
so
that
we
have
that,
but
there's
going
to
be
a
significant
pressure
on
you,
mr.
Tremblay
mr.
Kerem,
to
make
sure
that
you
do
your
best
I
would
suggest
even
that
you
keep
records
of
what
you
are
doing
with
regard
to
security,
so
that
if
we
are
in
a
position,
we
need
to
ask
you
that
you
have
that
available.
How
does
everybody
feel
about
that
good?
D
J
Is
regards
to
a
property
Amanda
tick.
It
said
it
sits
at
the
corner
of
Main
Street
in
Bridge
Street.
It's
pretty
much
the
one
corner
of
that
intersection
that
still
makes
you
realize
that
it's
you're
in
a
village
and
the
home
is
currently
for
sale.
Part
of
my
boy
said
Nordea.
That
was
wrong
with
me,
but
it's
currently
for
sale,
the
homeowner
passed
away
recently
and
the
property's
now
in
the
hands
of
their
kids.
They
are
local.
So
my
concern
is
that
the
property
isn't
protected
so
be
resolved.
J
The
built
heritage
subcommittee
approved
the
addition
of
this
item
for
consideration
by
the
committee
at
today's
meeting
pursuant
to
subsection
84
three
other
procedure,
bylaw
due
to
timeline
pressures
to
add
fifty
five
fourteen
minutes
of
Main
Street
to
the
city
of
Ottawa's,
Heritage,
Heritage
Register.
Therefore,.