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From YouTube: Built Heritage Sub-Committee - March 8, 2022
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Built Heritage Sub-Committee - March 8, 2022
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A
Excellent,
I
think
I
see
quorum
so
good
morning,
everybody
and
welcome
to
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
meeting
of
march
8
2022
I'd
like
to
call
the
members
to
order.
This
meeting
is
being
held
remotely
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who
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not
need
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ottawa
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although
this
meeting
is
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held,
virtually
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
that
the
land
on
which
ottawa
is
built
is
unseated,
algonquin,
anishnabe
territory.
A
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we
progress
with
this
meeting,
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like
to
remind
participants
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a
reminder
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unmute
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C
E
F
D
A
G
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
hello.
So
today
this
presentation
was
deferred
from
the
february
meeting.
It's
an
info.
It's
a
presentation
related
to
the
information
report
on
the
heritage
watch
list.
So
I'm
going
to
give
a
brief
overview
of
the
background
of
the
watch
list
and
then
provide
some
detail
about
the
individual
buildings
that
are
currently
listed
on
the
watch
list
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
G
The
committee
members
may
have
at
the
end
next
slide,
please
so
as
a
as
a
bit
of
background
for
members
as
a
subcommittee
who
may
not
be
familiar
with
the
creation
of
the
watch
list,
vacant
and
deteriorating
heritage,
buildings
and
demolition
by
neglect
have
been
long
issues
in
heritage
conservation
in
ottawa
and
around
ontario.
G
After
the
new
property
standards,
bylaw
came
into
force,
heritage
staff
worked
with
bylaw
staff
on
property
standards,
issues
related
to
heritage
buildings,
but
it
was
on
more
of
an
ad
hoc
basis.
In
2016,
the
mayor
created
the
heritage
matters
task
force,
which
was
intended
to
put
a
focus
on
issues
of
demolition
by
neglect
and
vacant
heritage
buildings.
The
task
force
met
one
to
two
times
per
year
and
received
updates
from
city
staff
on
various
issues.
G
This
task
force
was
responsible
for
increases
to
the
funding
for
the
heritage,
city's
heritage
grant
program
and
the
creation
of
the
community
improvement
plan
for
heritage,
which
offers
a
tax
incentive
for
property
owners
to
develop
their
heritage
properties
and
undertake
conservation
or
restoration
work
through
the
creation
of
the
task
force.
The
heritage
watch
list
was
formalized
in
2016
after
several
years
of
collaboration
between
staff
on
vacant
building
issues.
G
So
the
watch
list
is
a
collaboration
between
heritage
planning
staff,
building
code
services,
staff,
bylaw
and
regulatory
services
staff,
as
well
as
other
required
staff
as
needed.
So
legal
staff
are
sometimes
involved
or
our
right-of-way
staff
who
deal
with
encroachment
issues,
staff
monitor
to
monitor
vacant
damage
and
at-risk
buildings
in
a
systematic
way.
Next
slide,
please.
G
G
So
properties
are
identified
by
complaint
or
by
city
staff.
They
must
be
designated
under
part
four
or
part
five
of
the
heritage
act
in
order
to
be
added
to
the
list.
Properties
that
are
simply
listed
on
the
register
are
not
subject
to
the
requirements
of
the
property
status
by
law
as
it
relates
to
heritage.
G
So
the
team
has
developed
an
internal
process
for
adding
and
removing
properties.
Generally,
it
will
come.
These
complaints
come
either
from
members
of
the
community
community
associations,
sometimes
heritage
staff.
Note
these
buildings
when
we're
out
and
about
and
so
heritage
staff
conduct
a
site
visit
to
confirm
that
the
property
is
in
poor
condition
and
is
vacant
or
threatened
and
warrants
monitoring
through
the
watch
list.
Staff
then
work
with
the
assigned
property
standards
officer
to
identify
areas
of
concern
and
attributes.
G
The
officer
generally
conducts
his
own
site
visit
and
works
with
heritage
staff
on
orders,
as
required.
The
internal
team
so
bylaw
building
code
heritage
and
the
ward
counselor
are
notified
of
the
addition
of
the
property
to
the
list.
Once
the
property
owner
has
been
contacted,
the
local
community
association
is
also
notified,
that
the
property
has
been
added
and
the
property
and
a
photo
of
it
are
included
on
the
city's
website
in
terms
of
removing
the
property
from
a
lit
from
the
list.
G
There
are
some
criteria
so
for
vacant
buildings,
the
building
has
to
have
been
renovated
and
is
compliant
with
the
property
standards
by
la
and
occupied
or
the
building
is
demolished
and
then
for
occupied
buildings,
of
which
there
are
very
few
on
the
list.
The
property
standards,
issues
related
to
the
property
have
to
be
resolved
and
the
property
has
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
property
standards
by
law.
G
So
the
heritage,
planning
staff
and
bylaw
staff
work
together
prior
to
the
removal
of
a
property
from
the
list
and
properties
are
only
removed
when
they
meet
one
of
the
criteria
and
then
the
same
process
is
followed
in
terms
of
notifying
internal
and
external
stakeholders
about
removing
a
property,
and
then
the
last
bullet
point
on
this
slide
is
about
a
newer
process
that
we've
created
about
heritage
attributes
at
risk,
because
one
of
the
things
we
found
is
that
most
of
the
buildings
on
the
list
are
vacant
and
at
risk
of
demolition
by
neglect.
G
But
there
are
also
many
buildings
around
the
city
where
it
might
just
be
a
porch
or
it
might
just
be
some
decorative
masonry
or
or
some
other
individual
heritage
attribute
that
may
be
at
risk
of
loss.
So
staff
have
developed
a
process
for
properties
that
may
not
be
vacant
but
have
attributes
at
risk.
G
So
the
goal
of
the
pro
excuse
me,
the
goal
of
the
process,
is
to
work
with
property
owners
to
help
them
understand
the
importance
of
maintenance
of
heritage
attributes,
provide
information
about
the
city's
heritage
grant
program
and
the
and
and
to
provide
conservation
advice.
So
we
start
with
that
approach
from
the
heritage
planning
side
of
things.
G
If
this
approach
is
unsuccessful,
kurdish
staff
work
with
bylaw
colleagues
to
issue
orders
under
the
property
standards
by
law,
as
required
next
slide,
please
so
just
to
provide
you
with
an
overview
of
the
list
and
then
I'm
going
to
go
into
the
individual
properties.
So,
as
I
said,
there's
33
properties
on
the
list
and
we
sort
of
triage
them
by
risk
level.
So
we
have
17
properties
in
our
low
risk
category.
These
are
generally
properties
that
are
being
renovated
or
developed.
G
They're
vacant
properties
that
are
for
sale
or
they're
mothball
properties
that
are
in
compliance
with
the
property
standards.
Bylaw,
the
medium
risk
properties
are
those
there's
six
of
them
on
the
list
right
now,
they
require
regular
monitoring
to
ensure
compliance
with
the
property
standards
by
law
and
building
code
compliance.
G
The
high
risk
properties
are
the
more
problematic
buildings
require
regular
monitoring
and
orders
and
enforcement.
Some
of
the
more
difficult
properties
fall
into
this
category,
and
then
we
also
have
a
category
for
foreign,
owned
or
diplomatic
properties,
because
they
require
a
slightly
different
approach.
G
So
we
have
seven
properties
on
the
list
that
fall
into
this
category
and
the
the
enforcement
of
orders
on
these
properties
is
more
challenging
simply
because
the
process
requires
liaison
with
the
city's
protocol
office
and
global
affairs,
canada,
and
it
is
difficult
to
enforce
any
orders
on
these
properties
if
the
property
owner
is
not
willing
to
work
with
us
next
slide,
please
so
to
start
with
the
low
risk
properties
I'll.
G
G
590
broadview
is
the
former
broadview
public
school
again
designated
under
part
4
vacant,
but
well
protected.
70
nicholas
street
is
the
former
city
registry
office
also
individually
designated.
It
is
vacant,
but
there
is
a
redevelopment
proposal
that
has
been
submitted.
An
application
is
expected
to
be
before
the
committee
this
year.
G
70
richmond
road
is
the
champlain
oil
service
station
again
individually
designated
it
is
vacant,
but
a
redevelopment
proposal
has
been
submitted
same
same
piece.
The
application
is
expected
to
be
for
the
committee
this
year,
21
withdrawal
avenue
individually
designated
vacant.
There's
ongoing
development
on
this
site.
460
will
broad
avenue.
This
is
one
of
the
few
sorry
it's
wilbron
street
as
well.
This
is
one
of
the
few
properties
on
the
list
that
is
occupied.
G
It
was
added
to
the
list
as
a
result
of
some
work
that
was
conducted
without
a
heritage
permit
and
the
city
is
working
with
the
owner
towards
compliance
on
that
property
standards,
issue
and
then
40
littleton
gardens
is
an
ind,
is
a
building
in
the
rocklin
park.
Heritage
conservation
district-
that
is
vacant,
but
there
are
no
concerns
with
it
at
the
moment.
Next
slide,
please
continuing
on
the
low
risk
properties
35
william
street
is
an
in
is
located
in
the
byrd
market,
heritage
conservation
district.
G
You
may
remember
this
property.
It
was
destroyed
by
fire.
The
committee
and
council
have
have
approved
applications
for
the
site
for
redevelopment,
including
a
grant
through
the
community
improvement
plan
for
heritage.
179
geek
is
in
the
lower
town
west
heritage
conservation
district,
it's
vacant.
There
are
no
outstanding
issues.
The
same
goes
for
143
murray,
135
barrett
street
is
the
former
saint
charles
church
at
the
corner
of
beret
and
beach
view
beachwood
story,
and
it
is
part
of
the
st
charles
market
redevelopment
project
that
is
ongoing
next
slide.
Please.
G
Seven
crescent
road
is
in
the
ruffles
park,
heritage
conservation
district.
There
are
no
outstanding
issues
on
this
one.
We
understand
that
it
has
recently
been
sold,
so
hopefully
we'll
be
occupied
soon,
79
gig.
The
same
applies
here.
This
is
in
the
lowertown
west
heritage
conservation,
district,
no
outstanding
issues
at
the
moment,
197
201
will
broad
street.
These
are
long-term
problem
properties,
however,
they
have
recently
been
sold
and
the
new
owner
has
submitted
an
application
to
demolish
and
construct
a
new
low-rise
apartment
building.
G
G
I
wanted
to
highlight
a
couple
of
properties
here
where
we've
had
some
success,
where
these
properties
have
moved
from-
let's
say
the
high-risk
category
to
the
lowest
category.
So
this
building
the
boyd
farmhouse
in
stittsville
is
a
part
four
property.
It
was
designated
in
2012..
G
G
The
city
was
consistently
issuing
property
standards,
orders
for
board
up
fencing,
broken
windows,
protection
of
the
building
and
security.
The
property
was
sold
in
2019
and
the
new
owners
have
appropriately
mothballed
the
building
secured
it
until
the
the
overall
property
is
ready
for
development.
G
G
This
is
another
example
on
the
bradley,
craig
farmhouse
and
byrne,
also
in
councillor
gower's
ward
at
590,
hazelden
road,
so
the
farmhouse
and
burner
are
designated
under
part
four
as
a
complex,
and
some
members
of
the
committee
may
remember
that
there
was
an
application
to
demolish
and
move
the
barn
some
years
ago.
G
That
was
never
followed
through
through
on
over
the
years
there
have
been
some
property
standards,
issues
related
to
the
burn
itself,
but
the
owner
of
the
property
has
worked
very
hard.
Over
the
past
two
years,
I
will
say
on
restoration
and
conservation
work
on
the
burn,
so
all
of
the
stone
masonry
has
been
repointed
on
the
burn.
G
The
main
issue
was
related
to
the
sill
beam
and
some
significant
rot
in
the
sill
beam
of
the
burn,
so
that
has
been
replaced
in
working
with
heritage
conservation
experts
and
now
they
have
moved
on
to
doing
some
work
on
the
house
itself.
So
there
were
water
issues
in
the
basement,
so
there's
various
waterproofing
work
happening.
G
There
are
no
projected
future
use
for
these
buildings
yet,
but
it
is
anticipated
that
in
the
coming
years
there
will
be
an
adaptive
reuse,
but
in
the
meantime
they
are
being
restored
and
conserved
so
that
when
a
use
comes
along,
they'll
be
ready,
so
kudos
to
the
property
owner,
which
is
risk
craft
on
this
property
for
working
so
well
with
city
staff
on
the
conservation
work
next
slide,
please
so
the
medium
risk
properties.
G
So,
as
I
said,
these
are
properties
that
you
know
are
not
at
imminent
danger
of
collapse
or
or
requiring
ongoing
enforcement,
but
they
do
require
ongoing
monitoring
and
there
are
issues
related
to
property
standards
for
these
properties,
so
the
first
is
30
james
street.
This
is
an
building
in
the
center
town
heritage
conservation
district.
It's
listed
in
the
medium
risk
categories.
There
are
ongoing
property
standards
issues
with
the
property
the
building
is
vacant.
G
Staff
are
unaware
of
any
serious
proposal
for
redevelopment,
325,
elgin
street.
You
may
remember
this
property
from
last
year.
It's
a
part
5
building
in
the
minto
prior
heritage,
conservation,
district,
st
mark's
church,
it's
been
vacant
since
the
pandemic,
and
there
are
significant
structural
issues
with
the
tower.
As
you
can
see
in
the
photo
it's
embraced.
G
G
G
a
heritage
permit
was
issued
in
2018
to
demolish
a
portion
of
the
building
and
construct
an
addition
to
the
building
as
well.
There
was
an
associated
planning
act,
application
as
well,
where
staff
included
a
holding
provision
related
to
the
conservation
of
the
building.
The
heritage
permit
expired
in
2021
and
no
construction
has
occurred.
G
So
staff
continue
to
monitor
this
building,
but
there
does
not
seem
to
be
any
real
movement,
1119
wellington
again,
committee
members
will
be
familiar
with
this
individually
designated
building.
The
mcgee
house
suffered
a
partial
collapse
in
the
summer
of
2018..
The
property
is
stabilized,
and
the
city
continues
to
monitor
its
condition.
The
property
was
for
sale
in
2021,
but
no
longer
appears
to
be
on
the
market
and
we're
not
sure
if
it
has
been
sold
or
not
next
slide.
Please.
G
330
gilmore
street:
this
is
the
former
board
of
education
building
in
the
center
town
heritage
conservation
district,
it's
been
vacant.
For
many
years
there
was
a
development
approved
for
a
nine
story.
Building
by
the
ontario
municipal
board,
the
property
has
remained
vacant
and
subject
to
a
variety
of
property
standards
orders
over
the
years.
There
are
currently
no
outstanding
orders
and
staff
are
not
aware
of
any
intention
to
develop
this
site
at
this
time,
323
daily
avenue.
The
committee,
of
course,
will
be
familiar
with
this
from
last
month.
G
The
demolition
permit
for
this
property
will
be
issued
imminently
and
once
it
has
been
issued
once
the
building
is
demolished,
it
will
be
removed
from
the
list
next
slide.
Please.
G
So
we
have
three
properties
in
our
high
risk
category.
The
first
is
this
property
in
the
rockles
park,
heritage
conservation
district
at
one
maple
lane
and
1112
lisker
road.
It
is
a
semi-detached
house
in
rockliffe.
The
property
owner
wishes
to
demolish
this
building
and
has
submitted
two
engineering
reports
which
recommend
demolition
of
the
building
related
to
its
condition.
G
It
was
vacant
for
many
years
and
then
sold
to
a
new
owner.
Who
is
now
proposing
demolition
staff
are
currently
reviewing
the
proposed
potential
demolition
story
and
will
work
with
the
owner
and
the
community
association
on
a
path
forward.
Any
application
to
demolish
this
building
would
require
the
approval
of
committee
and
council
under
the
ontario
heritage
act.
There
are
no
outstanding
property
standards
issues
on
this
property
at
this
time.
G
Somerset
house
at
352,
somerset
street
west,
has
been
vacant
and
deteriorating
since
a
partial
collapse
in
2007
and
is,
as
members
will
know,
one
of
the
most
difficult
buildings
on
this
list.
So
there
is
an
outstanding
2018
property
standards
order
related
to
the
conservation
of
the
heritage.
Attributes
of
this
building
the
owner
has
been
charged
with
non-compliance
with
the
order
and
the
that
matter
remains
before
the
courts.
Hearings
have
been
delayed
several
times
during
the
pandemic,
and
the
owner
has
been
in
non-compliance
for
two
years.
G
City
staff
are
currently
working
collaboratively
on
an
approach
to
enforce
these
orders
in
the
coming
months,
including
the
possibility
of
the
city
undertaking
the
work
and
charging
the
owner
through
the
tax
roll
the
building
in.
In
the
meantime,
the
building
continues
to
deteriorate
and
the
property
owner
submitted
engineering
reports
to
building
code
services
in
late
2021,
advising
that
the
building
was
unsafe
and
needed
to
be
demolished.
G
G
Our
ladies
school
at
287
cumberland
street
in
the
lowertown
west
heritage
conservation
district,
the
remaining
walls
of
the
school
continued
to
deteriorate
since
the
partial
demolition
of
the
building,
the
property
was
sold
to
a
new
property
owner
in
2019
and
was
listed
for
sale
again
in
2021.
G
G
G
City
staff
continue
to
work
collaboratively
on
an
approach
to
bring
this
property
into
compliance
and
encourage
the
adaptive
reuse
and
of
of
the
remaining
walls
of
this
building
and
its
redevelopment
into
the
into
sorry
and
the
redevelopment
of
the
site.
As
you
can
see,
this
is
a
very
challenging
property
in
a
in
a
difficult
challenging
streetscape
and
we're
really
trying
to
work
hard
to
move
this
one
forward
next
slide.
Please
and
then
the
final
category,
as
I
mentioned,
are
diplomatic
and
foreign
owned
properties.
G
So,
while
there
are
many,
many
designated
properties
around
the
city
that
serve
as
embassies,
high
commissions
and
official
residences
that
are
that
are
kept
in
fantastic
shape
and
and
these
buildings
often
make
great
embassies
and
high
commissions,
because
they
they
tend
to
be
large,
older
houses.
There
are
seven
properties
on
the
list
that
have
diplomatic
status
or
are
owned
by
foreign
governments
that
are
vacant
and
and
at
risk.
G
So,
as
noted
in
the
staff
report,
the
diplomatic
status
or
foreign
ownership
makes
enforcement
difficult,
as
all
correspondents
and
actions
must
be
channeled
through
an
additional
process
managed
by
global
affairs.
Canada,
I'm
going
to
provide
a
brief
overview
of
these
properties,
but
I
won't
be
providing
information
around
ownership
due
to
potential
security
issues.
G
So
231
coburg
street
is
within
the
sandy
hill
in
hcd,
and
sandy
hill
was
approved
for
demolition
in
2018,
and
the
heritage
permit
remains
valid.
235
mariposa
is
in
rocklift
park
same
a
heritage,
alteration
permit
was
improved
in
2020
and
it
remains
valid.
58
glebe
avenue
is
in
the
klamath
state
east
hcd.
It's
vacant
staff
in
particular
are
trying
to
work
with
the
owner
on
repair
of
the
existing
porch,
which
is
in
quite
poor
condition.
G
Next
slide.
Please.
G
38
blackburn
is,
in
the
russell
range
heritage
conservation
district.
There
are
no
outstanding
orders,
but
the
property
is
vacant.
46,
cartier
street,
just
near
city
hall,
has
been
vacant
for
many
years.
It
is
an
individually
designated
building.
There
are
no
outstanding
orders
and
then
190
lansdowne
road
is
also
in
the
rockleft
park
hcd,
and
it
was
recently
for
sale
but
and
staff
have
received
some
inquiries
about
the
property,
but
it
is
unclear
if
it
has
been
sold
or
if
it
remains
under
foreign
ownership.
At
this
time
next
slide,
please.
G
I
wanted
to
provide
a
brief
overview
of
perhaps
a
good
news
story
from
the
watch
list
as
well.
187
lansdowne
road,
this
property
is
in
the
rockleft
park.
Heritage
conservation
district
has
been
at
high
risk
for
many
many
years
it's
been
vacant
for
over
25
years.
G
The
owner
has
now
applied
for
a
major
renovation
project
that
includes
repair
restoration
of
the
building,
the
grounds,
construction
of
a
small
addition,
a
new
security
fence,
because
if
you
are
familiar
with
this
property,
the
existing
fence
is
quite
inhospitable,
let's
say
and
a
detached
carport,
so
the
permit
for
this
work
was
just
recently
issued
by
staff
and
we're
hopeful
that
this
project
is
going
to
move
forward
in
short
order.
G
This
one
has
been
particularly
difficult
and
I
think
chair
king
can
speak
to
this
as
well
for
the
property
owners
who
live
nearby.
I
think
it's
been
a
challenging
challenging
property
to
live
next
to
or
across
the
street
from
so
we're
very
encouraged
by
this
action
and
hope
that
that
this
will
move
forward
quickly.
G
Next
slide,
please-
and
this
is
my
last
slide
so
just
to
highlight
some
of
the
new
tools
we're
working
on.
So
while
there
are
some
limitations
to
the
watch
list,
we
have
had
some
successes.
G
So
this
is
staff
and
emergency
and
protective
services
are
currently
undertaking
a
review
of
the
2013
vacant
building
strategy.
So
the
review
is
looking
at
potential.
Additional
options
to
address
non-compliance
with
property
standards,
orders
so
heritage
planning
staff
are
working
with
our
colleagues
to
determine
whether
or
not
there
are
additional
measures
related
to
heritage
that
should
be
implemented
through
an
updated
report
that
is
expected
to
be
before
canadian
council
in
the
spring
of
this
year.
G
G
G
City
staff
in
the
heritage
planning
branch
are
going
to
be
developing
an
internal
enforcement
strategy
for
issues
under
the
ontario
heritage
act
in
2022,
and
the
strategy
is
intended
to
complement
the
watch
list,
the
attributes
at
risk
procedures
and
the
other
initiatives
that
we've
outlined
above
it's
going
to
focus
on
encouraging
compliance
with
the
ontario
heritage
act
and
provide
new
processes
and
procedures
for
enforcement
action
when
an
owner
is
not
in
compliance,
so
we
will
collaborate
with
our
colleagues
in
building
code
services,
legal
services
and
bylaw
services
on
this
approach,
and
then
the
final
piece
is
it's
not
totally
new
to
this
committee
is
the
cip
program
it
has.
G
It
is
we're
we're
using
it
more
as
a
negotiation
tool
to
try
to
encourage
some
action
on
these
properties.
So
that
concludes
my
presentation.
I
have
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
the
committee
may
have
on
specific
properties
as
to
the
best
of
my
ability.
I
also
have
colleagues
from
building
code
and
bylaw
services
here
as
well.
If
there
are
specific
questions
for
them.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
leslie,
for
the
extremely
detailed
report
really
appreciate
it
on
this
file.
We
did
not
receive
any
correspondence
and
there
are
no
speakers
who
are
registered,
so
I
do
see
a
number
of
hands
raised
and
we
can
start
in
order
with
councillor
mckinney.
H
Thank
you
chair
and
thanks
staff
for
the
for
the
update
questions
about
somerset
house.
Of
course,
the
I
feel
most
egregious
example
of
heritage
neglect
in
in
this
city,
so
I
know
that
we
don't
have
control
over
court
dates
and
then
being
pushed
off,
especially
in
and
around
koben.
I
know
that
the
the
owner
of
this
building
has
made
several
futile
attempts
over
the
last.
H
I
guess
it's
for
how
many
years
now
well
over
a
decade
to
keep
pulling
us
around
as
a
city
keeping
us
at
bay
and
pulling
us
around
by
our
noses,
really
and
kind
of
making
a
a
mockery
of
of
city
hall,
really
in
terms
of
the
applications
and
the
the
plans
for
for
this
for
this
property.
H
H
At
some
point
I
or
someone
else
will
bring
that
motion
and
we
will
have
that
discussion
because
it
is
a
key
intersection
in
our
downtown
and
it
is,
it
is
a
building
that
is
is
worth
saving
and
I
don't
believe
that
it
would,
in
the
end,
cost
us
money.
I
think
that
we
could
do
what
any
developer
could
do
with
it
and
and
turn
it
around
and
actually
make,
if
not
a
significant
economic
profit
from
it.
Certainly
a
social
profit
from
it.
H
You
know
see.
I
see
development
going
in
there.
I
see
you
know
private
market
housing,
affordable
housing,
perhaps
a
branch
library,
there's
there's
so
much
potential
for
that
corner
and
for
that
for
that
property,
but,
further
to
that
this
morning,
I
just
wonder
if
you
have
a
sense.
H
I
know
that
we
have
orders
on
non-compliant
orders
and
it
is
still
working
its
way
through
through
the
court
system
and
at
some
point
I
believe
that
we
need
to,
at
the
very
least,
put
a
lien
on
the
heritage,
attributes
here
and
charge
that
back
through
the
property
tax
roll.
Do
you
have?
Do
you
have
a
a
sense
in
terms
of
timing
on
where
we
are
at
in
terms
of
hearing
the
case
through
of
non-compliance
through
through
the
courts.
G
Thank
you
counselor.
I
don't
have
the
exact
date.
As
I
said
it
has
been
referred.
It
has
been
deferred
many
times,
I'm
not
sure
if
jennifer
has
that
date,
jennifer
thurkelson
from
bylaw,
but
what
I
will
say
is
that
internally
we're
trying
to
take
an
approach
of
kind
of
a
multi-pronged
strategy
where
we're
looking
at
that's
working
its
way
through
the
system.
There
are
also
the
building
code
issues
that
are
now
in
the
system
as
of
late
last
year.
G
There
is
the
planning
process,
so
we're
we're
not
putting
one
thing
aside
to
work.
We're
not
saying
oh
well,
we're
talking
about
a
development,
so
we're
going
to
put
the
rest
of
this
aside
for
now
we're
saying:
okay,
we're
talking
about
a
development,
that's
one
thing,
but
that
might
take
ages
and
it
has
taken.
G
You
know:
we've
seen
applications
before
that
have
not
come
to
anything
so
we're
we're
working
in
good
faith
with
the
applicant
towards
a
development.
If
that's
what
they
wish
to
do,
but
at
the
same
time
we're
still
trying
to
work
through
the
other
pieces
jennifer,
I
don't
know,
do
you
have
that?
Are
you
aware
of
the
date
for
the
next
hearing.
E
Sorry,
just
trying
to
get
off
mute
here,
yeah,
maybe
I
can
take
that
one.
So
I
I
don't
know
if
I
see
christine
antazon
from
legal
and
she
may
be
able
to
jump
in
here
and
provide
some
more
content
context
around.
You
know
the
reason
for
delays
with
prosecution,
but
some
of
the
challenges
during
colvit
is
you
know
the
courts
have
been
closed.
E
You
know,
there's
been
some
online
virtual
trials
that
have
occurred,
but
certainly
that
slowed
the
the
process
of
getting
these
charges
before
the
courts.
This
one
here,
as
as
leslie
has
mentioned,
has
been
deferred
a
few
times
or
adjourned
a
few
times.
We
don't
have
a
trial
date
at
this
point
for
the
charges
to
proceed,
but
I
think
what's
important
to
mention
here
is
that
it's
the
charges
are
separate
from
the
actual
order,
so
the
order
we
do
have
a
confirmed
order.
E
So
the
the
property
owner
did
not
appeal
the
order
and
the
order
is
confirmed.
We
have
charged
them
for
fail
to
comply
with
that
confirmed
order
and
we'd
like
to
see
the
prosecution
proceed
prior
to
contracting
out
the
repairs
just
because
of
the
significant
cost,
but
that's
not
to
say
that
you
know
if
this
is
delayed
any
further,
that
we
wouldn't
go
ahead
and
contract
it
at
the
work.
We
could
do
that
at
this
point.
H
And
just
on
on
that
on
contracting
out
the
work,
which
is
what
I
want
to
see
happen,
we
would
contract
it
out
and
then
it
would
be
recovered
through
the
property
tax
base.
Account
right
is
that
is
that,
essentially
how
the
the
process
would
work.
Yes,.
H
We
wouldn't
have
to
go
to
court.
Here's
what
I'm
going
to
ask
sorry
to
cut
you
off
roger,
but
so
I
don't
have
to
ask
two
questions
to
ask
you
one.
We
don't
have
to
go
back
to
court,
then
to
say
this
is
why
we're
doing
it
we
can.
We
can
move
ahead
with
those
repairs
and
then
charge
it
back
through
the
property
tax.
E
Roll
correct,
yes,
mr
sure,
that's
absolutely
correct,
so
they're,
two
very
independent
or
very
different
processes,
so
the
court
process
is
is
separate
from
contracting
out.
So
once
we
have
the
confirmed
order
under
the
the
legislation,
we
could
proceed
with
with
contracting
out
and
and
bill
any
of
those
costs
back
to
the
property
owner
through
through
the
property
tax.
E
Well,
I
mean
there's
there's
several
things
that
are
happening
right
now,
as
leslie
mentioned,
there
is
a
redevelopment
plan,
there's
discussions
that
are
going
on
with
the
property
owner
and
obviously
you
know
compliance
is
ultimately
our
goal
here.
But
you
know
the
easiest
route
to
this
is
to
have
the
property
owner
undertake
the
redevelopment
itself,
but
but
at
the
same
time
we're
working
on
what
it
would
be
to
to
redevelop
the
property
or
at
least
to
address
the
the
preservation
of
the
heritage
attributes.
E
E
I
I
don't
think
it's
unreasonable
to
say
that
it
may
be
a
500
000.
You
know
work
to
contract
this
out,
so
so
that
is
a
concern.
E
There's
always
risks,
obviously,
but
that
that's
certainly,
we
have
the
legislative
authority
to
to
charge
those
those
costs
back
by
property
tax.
H
Right
and
if
the
property
tax
is
not
paid
as
a
result,
then
eventually
that
would
fall
into
like
that
the
lien
would
be
on
the
property
we
would.
We
would
recover.
That
is
that
correct.
E
Yes,
so
sorry
through
through
you
chair,
it's
you
know,
those
costs
are
built
back.
There
are
priorities
when,
when
the
property
is
sold,
property
tax,
outstanding
property
taxes
are
a
high
priority
and
ant
is
on
the
call
from
legal.
I
wonder
if
she
can
jump
in
here
just
to
help
me
here
with
how
these
are
paid
out
as
priority
when
the
when
a
property
is.
D
Sold
mr
chair,
I
apologize.
This
is
not
my
fault,
my
file,
and
so,
if
there
are
detailed
answers
that
are
required,
certainly
I
can
undertake
to
bring
them
back
to
stuart
huxley
and
have
him
provide
some
detail
on
the
specifics
around
the
timing
and
issues
in
terms
of
the
priority
on
a
sale
when
it's
paid
out
as
bylaw
services
has
indicated.
Certainly,
property
taxes
are
a
lien.
D
They
are
a
priority
lien
on
the
property
and
they
they
must
be
satisfied
prior
to,
I
guess,
prior
to
conveyance
in
terms
of
a
tax
sale.
If
that
is
the
next
question,
the
city
does
have
the
ability
to
and
the
authority
to
move
forward
on
a
tax
sale
after
a
certain
period
of
time.
If
property
taxes
have
not
been
have
not
been
paid
to
the
city,
that
is
a
separate
process
in
and
of
itself,
and
I
don't
know
where
we
are
in
terms
of
timing
and
liens
on
this
property.
D
But
I
will
also
take
that
back
to
the
respective
group
and
and
get
a
status
update
on
that
as
well.
H
Okay,
I
appreciate
that
I
I
wouldn't
mind
a
status
update
on
that
and
start
to
consider
how
we
how
we
move
forward.
This
is
an
embarrassment
really
to
the
city.
Again,
it
is
making
a
mockery
of
all
of
our
heritage.
You
know
rules
and
and
and
values,
and
it
really.
H
Yeah,
it
really
doesn't
there's
absolutely
no
confidence
that
this
present
owner
is
ever
going
to
do
anything
substantive
with
this.
This
property,
it
just
doesn't
just,
doesn't
make
any
sense
at
all
to
continue
dragging
our
feet
on
it.
So
I
look
forward
to
just
receiving
that
back
and
and
then
we
can
decide,
then
how
to
move
forward.
D
I
I
can
further
advise
mr
chair
that
that
I've
just
been
notified
that,
as
bylaw
services
said,
they're
adjourning
until
the
court
can
set
a
trial
date,
but
the
next
appearance
is
set
down
for
next
thursday.
So
we
will
have
more
information
by
the
end
of
next
week.
H
A
You
appreciate
that
question
now:
member
hassell.
D
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
leslie
for
such
a
detailed
presentation.
I
couldn't
help
but
notice
our
little
church
down
on
elgin
when
we
last
saw
that
coming
through
the
committee,
their
plan
was
actually
to
take
down
that
spar.
D
They
claimed
they
could
board
it
and
that's
why
the
city
had
registered
a
mechanism,
one
title,
but
you
had
mentioned
that
they're
now
working
to
conserve
it
so
did
that
mechanism
assist
in
perhaps
changing
some
minds,
or
it
just
seems
as
though
that's
developed
quite
quickly
since
we
last
saw
it.
So,
what's
the
update
there.
G
Thank
you
three,
mr
chair.
I
think
this
one's
a
bit
of
a
funny
one
because
I
think
with
the
pandemic-
and
you
know
the
church
being
closed,
and
you
know
all
the
kind
of
financial
issues
around
that
it's
been
a
bit
of
a
back
and
forth
with
the
church,
so
we
brought
that
report
forward
last
summer,
based
on
what,
at
the
time
we
thought
was
an
urgent
requirement
to
dismantle
the
tower.
G
It
turns
out
that
they
were
able
to
further
stabilize
it
in
order
to
retain
it,
and
so
they
are
working
with
a
consultant.
Now
we
haven't
had
a
lot
of
action
on
it.
To
be
honest,
it's
been
kind
of
a
bit
of
a
back
and
forth.
You
know
we
we
talked
to
them
a
little
bit
and
then
it
goes
silent
for
a
few
months,
but
for
the
time
being,
it's
stable
and
I
think
they're
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
to
do
next.
G
So
I'm
not
sure
that
the
approval
and
the
mechanism,
the
registering
it
on
title
piece,
really
changed
anything
or
if
it
was
just
like
a
combination
of
that
plus
some
further
study
that
allowed
them
to
stabilize
the
tower
more
for
a
longer
period
of
time.
So
I
mean
either
way.
I
think
it's
good
news,
but
hopefully
we
can
get
a
more
permanent
solution
in
the
near
future.
D
Yeah,
well,
it's
a
great
to
see
it
heading
in
the
right
direction
so
quickly
after
we
last
saw
it
so
yeah.
That's
that's
fantastic!
I
I
couldn't
help
but
notice
as
well.
Looking
at
the
list
more
broadly
at
excluding
those
seven
embassy
properties,
because
I
know
they're
the
start
of
their
own
kettle
of
fish.
G
D
Seems
as
though
a
fair
number
of
the
the
properties
of
concern
are
effectively
being
modbulled
or
held
for
development.
That
was
essentially
my
take
on
the
presentation
leslie.
I
don't
know
if
you're
you're
able
to
confirm
if
there's,
if
that
is
in
fact,
a
friend.
G
I
would
say
it's
a
trend
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
so
many
of
the
properties
that
have
been
on
that
list
for
well
since
its
inception
haven't
had
a
lot
of
activity,
but
I
would
say
in
the
last
two
years,
or
so
we
are
seeing
owners
come
in
with
development
proposals
to
adapt
these
buildings
to
new
uses
and
incorporate
them,
and-
and
you
know
most
of
the
ones
in
the
low
risk.
Category
are
in
quite
good
shape
and
you
know
are
protected
and
monitored
and
all
that
sort
of
thing.
G
So
that
is,
I
think,
good
news
that
we're
starting
to
see-
and
I
mean
I
think,
as
development
occurs.
These
will
fall
off
the
list
and
that'll
be
great
it'll,
be
you
know,
less
monitoring
to
undertake,
and
hopefully
we
don't
continue
and
hopefully
by
bolstering
the
other
tools
with
the
vacant
unit,
tax
and
various
other
mechanisms.
G
D
Okay,
yeah,
that's
that's
great.
My
concern
with
some
of
these
is
that
they
were
purchased
by
by
individuals
hoping
to
develop
them
and
then
are
essentially
sitting
either
for
financing
or
for
market
conditions
or
for
planning
approval,
but
but
some
of
them
to
your
point
have
been
sitting
for
quite
some
time
now.
So
I
guess
it
sounds
as
though
there
is
more
of
a
shift.
That's
occurred
since
the
market
started
heating
up.
D
The
other
question
I
had
was
was
really
spring
valley
when
you
have
all
of
these
vacant
buildings
sitting
on
the
watch
list,
some
of
which
you
said
have
been
sitting
for
decades.
How
common
is
it
to
see
them
lost
lost
to
fire
like
dolly
or
vandalism
or
you
know
is.
Is
that
something
that
the
city
factors
in
on
this
list.
G
We
haven't
had
a
lot
of
losses
through
fire
since
the
list
has
been
created,
but
I
would
say
over
the
years
there
have
been
various
losses
related
to
building
being
vacant,
and
so
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
that
in
the
property
standards
bylaw
now
there
is
a
section
related
to
vacant
heritage
buildings
that
requires,
you
know
the
pipes
be
drained
and
that
sort
of
thing
to
sort
of
help
to
protect
these
buildings.
G
In
the
longer
term
that
was
you
know,
we
were
definitely
worried
about
173
huntmer,
the
boyd
farmhouse,
because
it's
very
isolated
and
it
was
being
used
for
parties
and
people
were
breaking
in
and
there
were
fires
in
there-
and
I
you
know
up
until
recently-
and
I
have
to
give
kudos
to
our
long-suffering
by-law
officer,
dave
darling,
who
is
really
really
good
at
working
with
these
property
owners,
and
I
think
we
were
sort
of
convinced
that
that
building
would
be
lost,
but
a
new
owner
and
compliance
with
the
orders
has
meant
that
it
is
protected
and
it
is
in
good
shape.
G
So
I
don't
know
that
it's
a
trend,
but
it
is
definitely
something
we
think
about.
D
Okay,
well
great
news,
great
news
on
the
front
house
and
I
one
final
question:
building
off
of
councillor
mckenny's
comments
when
the
city
undertakes
work
and
then
charges
the
cost
back
on
his
property
taxes.
Is
this
a
mechanism,
that's
being
employed?
What
I
wouldn't
say
widely,
but
essentially
is
this
new
ground
or
a
precedent
for
the
city
undertaking
this.
E
Yes,
mr
chair,
I
I
lost
part
of
your
question
there
you
froze
up,
but
I
think
you're
asking
if
we
contract
it
on
a
on
a
regular
basis.
Is
that
what
your
question
was.
E
Yeah,
so
I
I
mean
we
contract
out
every
day.
So
it's
not
this
isn't
anything
new.
I
mean
a
lot
of
times.
It's
you
know
very,
you
know,
lower
cost
repairs.
You
know
we're
talking
in
the
in
the
thousand
dollar
range,
but
when
we
get
into
where
we
think
the
you
know,
the
scope
may
extend
beyond
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
That's
where
we,
you
know
it's
it's.
E
It's
always
good
to
charge
first
and
go
through
the
court
process
first
and
obtain
a
conviction
before
proceeding
with
with
contracting
out
any
repairs
at
significant
costs.
A
Thank
you
so
much
and
the
next
person
with
their
hand
up
is
councillor
brockington.
Thank
you,
chair,
good
morning
to
you
and
colleagues
for
staff.
A
I
think,
if
there's
some
advocacy
to
be
done
by
this
municipality
and
others
about
providing
additional
tools
or
authority
or
power
to
cities
to
engage
on
this
matter.
Let's
first
know
what
our
staff
have
available,
so
I'm
just
wondering
is
that
possible?
Could
staff
simply
issue
a
memo
that
explains
all
the
tools
that
they
have
available
when
working
with
a
property
owner
to
address
heritage
matters
that
are
in
in
deficiency.
G
Through
you,
mr
chair,
yes,
that's
no
problem.
We
can
provide
a
summary
memo
with
that
information.
I
can
work
with
colleagues
in
bylaw
and
building
code
and
legal
to
make
sure
that
we
have
all
the
right
info.
G
I
think
that's
a
tough
question
to
answer
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
think
under
the
ontario
heritage
act
I
would
say,
enforcement
is
a
challenge
because
it
is
a
fairly
cumbersome
process,
but
what
I
think
the
city
has
done
through
the
vacant
building
strategy
and
sort
of
the
watch
list.
Work
has
been
to
try
to
go
at
it
through
other
channels,
so
through
the
property
standards
process
and
through
the
building
code
act,
so
I
think
we're
getting
there.
G
I
think
we're
still
learning
and-
and
you
know
some
of
these
problem-
you
know
high-risk
properties
are
just
so
difficult
and
we
always
say
you
know
we
can't
force
a
property
owner
to
develop.
But
what
we're
trying
to
do,
I
think,
is
throw
enough
at
them
that
it
doesn't
make
sense
not
to
develop
or
not
to
sell,
or
you
know
so
trying
to
make
it
less
hospitable
to
have
a
vacant
property,
a
vacant
heritage
property
in
the
city.
G
So
so
we
we
can
provide
that
memo
and
and
perhaps
also
identify,
maybe
where
some
of
the
gaps
are.
As
part
of
that
memo
to
the
committee.
A
A
Thank
you
appreciate
that
counselor
brockington,
the
next
person
with
their
hand
up,
is
member
podelsky.
J
Good
morning,
everyone
and
thank
you,
leslie
and
your
staff
and
colleagues
and
the
property
standards
for
being
so
diligent
about
this.
It
was
actually
satisfying
to
see
how
much
effort
is
being
put
into
it.
I
wish
it
was
a
lot
less
effort,
but
nevertheless
the
work
is
it's
very
effective.
I
wanted
to
address
one
of
the
gaps
that
you
know
has
been
brought
to
my
attention
and
that
has
to
do
with
a
the
hintonburg
pumping
station.
J
This
is
a
property
designated
under
part
4
of
the
interior
heritage
act
in
1987,
it's
owned
by
the
city.
I
understand
and
it
had
a
fire
in
89,
but
it
is
not
on
the
heritage
watch
list,
and
one
of
the
things
that
has
occurred
to
me
is
that
I've
always
had
questions
about
that
from
the
public
who
have
said
well.
J
The
city
is
doing
a
very
good
job,
trying
to
enforce
the
conservation
and
stabilization
of
our
heritage
portfolio,
but
it
is
not
doing
anything
about
the
properties
that
the
city
itself
owns
and
is
neglecting,
and
so
I
think,
would
it
help
if
the
build
heritage
subcommittee
moved
a
motion
to
direct
city
staff
to
bring
this
property
on
the
heritage
watch
list
so
that
it
could
be
monitored
and
inspected.
Just
like
all
the
other
properties
that
we
are
asking
the
private
sector
and
foreign
governments
to
do.
J
I
know
it's
an
awkward
question,
because
it
implies
a
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
hypocrisy
where
we're
very
good
at
pointing
to
other
people,
but
we're
not
really
addressing
the
city's
own
portfolio
where
buildings
are
at
risk.
So
I
would
like
to
advice
for
the
best
way
that
we
can
bring
this
one
into
the
the
public
light
and
act
on
it
so
that
the
city
is
able
to
stabilize
at
least
until
some
new
use
is
brought
along
for
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
G
Thank
you,
member
radelski,
for
the
question.
You're
you're
correct.
It
is
a
gap.
Perhaps
in
the
list
of
this
building
is
not
on
the
list.
I
will
say
that
informally,
it
is
monitored
regularly
by
our
staff
at
water
services
and
also
by
heritage
staff,
and
we
have
been
working
for
many
years
towards
trying
to
find
a
new
use
for
this
building.
G
It
is
top
of
mind,
I
think
perhaps
the
best
thing
to
do
is
for
us
to
take
that
away
as
a
direction
to
look
at
the
legal
side
of
it
in
terms
of
how
we
enforce
our
bylaws
on
ourselves
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So
I
think,
if
that's
okay
with
you,
that's
what
we
could
do
is
take
it
away
as
a
direction
to
look
at
whether
or
not
it
should
be
added
to
the
watch
list
and-
and
we
can
report
back
to
the
committee.
J
Yes,
that
would
solve
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Appreciate
that
and
barry
I
know
some
people
have
told
me
that
your
volume
is
a
little
bit
low,
so
in
your
next
intervention,
maybe
just
look
into
that.
We
want
to
be
able
to
hear
you
fully
and,
of
course
we
want
people
who
are
watching
on
the
youtube
channel
to
hear
you
fully,
but
I'm
very
happy,
both
obviously
with
the
memo
that
counselor
brockington
has
has
requested
and
and
the
direction
that
that
you're
also
seeking.
So
so.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that.
B
Thank
you
chair.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
echo
some
of
my
colleagues
comments
and
thank
leslie
for
your
great
presentation
and
and
your
work
and
your
staff's
work.
A
few
of
my
questions
were
already
addressed.
B
So
that's
great
one
thing:
that's
a
little
bit
concerning
is
the
number
of
diplomatic
or
foreign-owned
properties
on
the
list,
like
that's
quite
that's,
quite
significant,
and
I
realize
and
understand
the
difficulty
in
enforcing
enforcing
anything
on
those
properties,
but
I
guess
I'm
curious
to
know
what
your
discussions
with
global
affairs,
canada
has
been
and
sort
of
what
what
is
their
strategy
there
between
the
city
and
global
affairs,
sort
of
sort
of
next
steps.
You
know
what
can
be
done
and
is
there
anything
from
a
municipal
point
of
view
like?
B
G
I
I
guess
maybe
what
I
will
say
to
start
is
that
the
foreign
on
properties
are
diplomatic,
I'm
calling
them
foreign
owned,
because
some
of
them
no
longer
have
diplomatic
status
but
they're
owned
by
foreign
governments.
The
properties
on
the
list
right
now
to
be
honest,
some
of
them
are
actually
not
all
that
problematic,
they're
just
kind
of
empty
vacant.
G
I
think
the
issue
is
that
some
of
the
countries
that
own
the
properties
have,
let's
say
much
bigger
issues
going
on
in
the
world
right
now,
and
so
this
is
not
really
a
priority
or
they
may
not
have
a
presence
in
canada
right
now,
and
so
in
those
instances
it
does
become
quite
difficult
to
even
have
a
contact
person.
So
the
way
it
works
is
basically
that
we
go
through
our
city's
protocol
office
and
then
they
liaise
through
global
affairs,
canada,
who
then
liaise
with
the
with
the
owner.
G
So
I
wouldn't
say
I
wouldn't
say,
there's
an
overarching
strategy,
because
I
think
everyone
is
different,
but
you
know
we
do
sort
of
have
a
bit
of
a
strategy
on
each
one
and
work
differently
depending
on
who
it
is
that
we're
we're
dealing
with.
So
I
know
that's
a
bit
of
a
non-answer,
but
these
are
these
ones
are
kind
of
complex
and
there
isn't
a
really
straightforward,
one-size-fits-all
approach.
So
we
we
work
with
our
global
affairs.
G
Colleagues
and
you
know
they-
they
generally
sort
of,
say
that
there
is
an
expectation
that
that
foreign,
like
diplomatic
missions,
follow
the
rules
of
the
country
that
they're
in,
and
so
that
is
the
expectation
that
global
affairs
pushes
forward
for
us
on
our
on
on
our
behalf.
Yes,
they
push
it
forward
on
our
behalf.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
through
you
chair,
I
did
have
one
more
question.
I
know
leslie
you
spoke
at
the
beginning
of
the
presentation
of
you
know
how
how
do
these
properties
make
it
onto
the
list
and
it's
basically,
you
know
staff
observe
something
or
if
there's
sort
of
a
request
from
the
community
or
concern
from
the
community.
Is
there
any
plan
in
the
future
to
sort
of
formalize
that
process
and
sort
of
under?
B
I
know
you
guys
are
super
busy,
but
is
there
any
plan
to
sort
of
formalize
that
process-
and
you
know,
do
more
of
a
formal
review?
You
know
either
biannual
or
or
something
like
that,
where
there's
more
of,
I
guess,
accountability
for
these
properties
rather
than
just
sort
of
you
know,
if
somebody
observes
it
or
if
somebody
brings
up
a
concern,
then
it
makes
it
onto
the
list.
G
Yeah,
yes,
we
recognize
the
sort
of
unevenness
that
the
approach
the
current
approach
may
result
in
us
missing
some
buildings
that
aren't
on
the
list.
As
member
pradowski
just
raised,
you
know
one
of
our
own
buildings.
We
don't
have
the
capacity,
and
I
know
I
not
to
speak
for
my
colleagues
in
other
departments,
but
I
know
they
don't
have
the
capacity
either
to
go
out
and
look
at
every
single
heritage
building
in
the
city
to
determine
whether
or
not
it's
vacant
or
at
risk.
G
So
that
said,
I
think
we
are
exploring
some
opportunities
through
the
new
vacant
buildings
through
the
review
for
the
vacant
building
strategy,
we're
working
with
our
colleagues
to
explore
some
other
ways
that
we
might.
We
might
deal
with
this
issue
so
for
now
nothing
formal,
but
we
are
looking
at
options
through
through
the
vacant
building
strategy
review.
A
And
thank
you
for
those
questions,
especially
around
the
foreign
owned
diplomatic
properties.
That
was
a
question
I
was
going
to
ask
to
really.
You
know,
get
a
sense
of
the
complexity
because,
as
the
award
counselor,
I
was
getting
a
sense
of
the
complexity
of
those
of
those
files.
So
I
think
you've
saved
me
a
question
here
so
now
we
can
move
on
to
counselor
gower.
E
Thank
you
chair,
just
a
quick,
quick
statement
of
thanks
for
leslie
and
her
heritage
staff
team
and
to
dave
darling
on
the
enforcement
side.
I've
been
a,
I
guess,
a
member
of
the
group
that
meets
meets
several
times
throughout
the
years.
I've
been
very
impressed
with
the
the
attention
that
these
files
get
and
some
of
the
problem
solving
that
happens
in
those
meetings
in
the
mayor's
boardroom
or,
more
recently,
by
zoom,
specifically
on
on
foreign
owned
properties.
E
I
know
this
is
something
the
mayor
has
brought
up
a
number
of
times
and
they'll
look
for
look
for
solutions
with
other
levels
of
governance,
governments
as
well,
but
without
this
task
force
without
this
this
watch
list.
I
think
a
lot
of
these
things
would
really
fly
under
the
radar,
so
this
is
incredibly
important.
You
know.
E
I'm
convinced
that
173
hunt
mar
that
leslie
mentioned
in
her
presentation
would
probably
not
be
standing
today
or
salvageable
if
it
was
not
for
this
watch
list
and
same
with
590
hazelden
road,
the
the
barn
of
bradley
craig
barnett's
at
bradley
craig
farm.
It's
because
we
have
these
eyes
on
it
that
it
gets
the
attention
that
it
does.
We
we've
moved
from
a
reactive
approach
to
protecting
these
buildings
to
a
more
proactive
approach.
So
thank
you
to
staff
for
the
initiative
and
the
ongoing
monitoring
of
these
properties.
A
And
thank
you
councillor
gower.
I
think
that
that
is
a
definitely
an
excellent
way
to
wrap
up.
I
I
also
want
to
thank
staff,
heritage
staff
and
bylaw
staff
for
all
the
work
that
they
undertake,
especially
around
these
properties.
We
know
that
that
this
demolition
by
neglect
is,
I
think,
the
the
the
worst
type
of
of
of
impact
that
we
see
around
heritage
files,
and
we
know
that
there's
been
a
tremendous
amount
of
focus
by
both
heritage
staff.
A
Bylaw-
and
you
know
even
we
see
the
mayor's
office
holding
heritage
task
force.
Talking
about
these
challenges
that
are
confronting
the
city,
I
really
do
appreciate
the
complexity
of
the
files.
Like
I
said,
I
I
had
some
insight
into
some
of
those
complex
files,
especially
around
foreign
owned
properties
in
the
rockcliff
park,
heritage
conservation,
district,
the
challenges
that
they
pose
to
not
just
staff
in
terms
of
the
interplay
with
multiple
levels
of
government,
but
also
residents.
A
You
know
who
definitely
want
to
ensure
that
the
adjoining
properties
of
that
they
that
they're
that
they
live
next
to
are
in
good
shape,
especially
if
they
are
heritage
properties.
So
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
has
been
undertaken
for
for
this
report.
I
know
this
report
had
been
delayed
numerous
times,
so
I'm
I'm
very
pleased
that
it
could
come,
and
I
hope
that
this
could
become
at
some
point
an
annual
occurrence
where
we
we
get.
A
These
updates
inform
the
public
as
to
some
of
the
challenging
properties,
informed
the
public
as
to
some
of
the
challenges
that
ward
councillors
are
encountering
on
a
on
an
ongoing
basis
and
really
emphasize
the
fact
that
we
need
to
to
see
the
the
proper
preservation
of
these
properties.
So
really
appreciative
of
of
the
efforts
here
and
thank
you
so
much
for
for
this
report.
So
is
this
report
received
received?
A
Thank
you.
So
this
report
is
scheduled
to
be
presented
to
council
on
march
23rd.
The
next
item-
and
I
guess
the
last
substantive
item
on
our
agenda-
is
concerns
planning
real
estate
and
economic
development
department,
right-of-way
heritage
and
urban
design
services,
and
it
concerns
50,
the
driveway,
so
can
staff.
Please
provide
an
overview
on
this
report.
C
Good
morning,
thank
you,
mr
chair
I'll,
I'll
just
wait
for
the
coordinator
to
bring
up
the
presentation
for
me.
Can
everyone
hear
me?
Okay,.
C
Okay,
great,
so
yes,
this
this
item
relates
to
50
the
driveway,
and
it's
a
bit
different
from
our
usual
reports.
It's
a
file
that
has
been
a
long
time
coming
and
and
a
complex
one.
So
I
hope
the
committee
will
indulge
me
a
little
bit
of
extra
time
as
I
go
through
some
of
the
background
and
and
walk
you
through
the
approach
we've
taken
and
and
that
we're
proposing.
C
My
colleague,
andrew
mcrate
has
been
the
land
use
planner
on
the
associated
planning
applications
for
this
and
he's
on
the
call
this
morning
to
answer
some
questions
in
case
those
come
up
for
those
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide.
This
is
the
property
at
50
of
the
driveway.
It's
located
at
the
eastern
edge
of
central
town
in
the
golden
triangle,
at
the
intersection
of
lewis
street
and
the
driveway
adjacent
to
the
queen,
elizabeth
driveway
and,
of
course,
the
rideau
canal
world
heritage
site.
C
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
this
property
is
not
currently
listed
on
the
heritage
register
or
designated
under
the
heritage
act,
it
was
first
identified
by
the
cities.
Heritage
consultant,
that's
working
that
was
working
on
the
central
town
heritage
study
back
in
2020
and
they
recommended
the
property
be
listed
on
the
register
until
there
there
could
be
further
study
for
potential
part
four
designation,
but
before
the
property
could
be
listed,
the
city
received
a
demolition
permit
application
and,
in
response
staff,
initiated
the
designation
process.
At
the
time.
C
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
since
then,
staff
have
been
working
with
with
the
applicant
and
with
our
internal
colleagues
and
the
applicant
has
submitted
applications
for
an
official
plan.
C
The
applicant
has
considered
a
number
of
iterations
of
the
proposal,
with
varying
degrees
of
retention
of
the
existing
building,
including
complete
demolition.
So
this
proposal
has
come
quite
a
long
way,
but
it
hasn't
been
without
its
challenging
challenges.
I
should
say-
and
that
includes
the
building
itself.
So
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
this
I've
got
a
couple
of
images
of
the
building.
C
It's
a
modernist
style
office
building
with
influences
of
brutalism
seen
in
its
irregular
plan.
It's
imposing
use
of
concrete
and
brick
minimal,
fenestration
and
very
little
ornamentation.
C
The
building
has
a
two-story
and
three-story
section
which,
which
sort
of
corresponds
with
a
change
in
grade
on
the
site
and
it
sort
of
slopes
down
to
the
south.
C
On
the
next
slide,
these
are
a
couple
of
more
images
from
the
north
west,
so
the
building
was,
as
I
say,
a
purpose
built
for
the
canadian
nurses
association.
C
C
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
a
bit
of
a
context
image
here,
just
to
show
where
we
are
so,
the
building
was
designed
by
prominent
local
modernist
architect,
james
strutt.
He
was
known
for
his
interest
in
non-standard
geometry,
experimenting
with
structure
and
using
new
and
local
materials
and
in
50
the
driveway.
This
is
exemplified
in
the
building's
irregular
form,
the
heavy
use
of
concrete
and
brick.
C
C
These
portions
are
to
be
deconstructed,
as
outlined
in
the
cultural
heritage
impact
statement,
using
different
methods
depending
on
how
they
were
constructed,
moved
to
the
south
of
the
site
and
then
reconstructed
for
incorporation
into
the
base
of
the
new
building.
So
the
windows,
the
concrete
spandrels
and
caps,
the
entrance
door
and
surrounds
and
the
exterior
brick
are
to
be
reinstated
and
depending
on
the
condition
of
the
elements,
particularly
such
as
the
stairs
some
of
those
may
need
to
be
repaired
or
replicated.
C
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
we
can
see
some
of
the
renderings
provided
by
the
applicant
with
with
the
lantern
component,
that
that
will
be
also
deconstructed
and
then
relocated
to
the
roof
of
the
new
building.
C
C
As
as
I
think,
there
were
some
concerns
with
that
location,
and
I
and
staff
I
I
would
say
also
had
some
concerns,
given
that
it
would
no
longer
be
a
part
of
the
building
in
any
way,
and
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
just
highlight
in
these
renderings,
you
can
see
the
new
portion,
the
new
construction
of
the
building
will
be
substantially
set
back
from
the
reconstruction
reconstructed
base
and
then
there's
another
several
other
step
backs
sort
of
for
the
upper
floors
as
well,
and
we
worked
really
closely
with
our
colleagues
internally
and
the
applicant
as
well
on
the
massing
of
the
new
building
and
sculpting
those
step
backs,
so
that
the
retained
portions
would
remain
the
focal
point
so
on
the
next
slide.
C
This
is
to
outline
the
the
heritage
approach
here.
We're
recommending
the
following
sort
of
steps.
It's
a
two-step
kind
of
two-pronged
process,
which
is
intended
to
run
alongside
alongside
the
development
approvals,
the
first
step
of
the
process.
The
heritage
process
is
what
is
in
front
of
committee
today
and
that's
to
enter
into
a
heritage,
easement
agreement
and
list
the
property
on
the
heritage
register.
C
So,
like
I
say,
this
process
is
going
to
run
concurrently
and
is
running
concurrently
with
the
opa
and
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
so
that
they
can
be
considered
a
planning
committee
together
and
then
the
second
process,
which
will
be
to
finalize
the
terms
of
the
easement
and
bring
that
forward
to
this
committee
and
council
at
a
later
time,
so
that
that
process
can
run
concurrently
with
the
required
site
plan
approval
once
the
detailed
design
has
has
been
finalized.
C
The
listing
on
the
register,
as
as
this
committee
knows,
is
a
way
to
formally
identify
and
recognize
places
of
cultural
heritage
value,
and
it
also
serves
as
a
monitoring
tool.
So
we
can
add
a
flag
to
our
internal
permit
system.
So
we
can
work
with
our
colleagues
in
building
code
services
on
any
future
permits
for
the
development,
so
in
staff's
opinion,
these
two
mechanisms
will
work
together
to
ensure
the
conservation
of
the
site
on
the
next
slide.
C
You
know
members
of
the
maybe
of
the
community,
maybe
of
the
public
who
are
on
the
call
wondering
you
know
what
is
a
heritage
easement
agreement.
Certainly
you
know
the
city's
primary
tool
for
protecting
cultural
heritage.
Resources
is
typically
designation
under
part
four,
but
a
heritage.
Easement
agreement
is
another
tool
provided
by
the
act
that
affords
the
same
benefits
and
protections
just
it
works
through
an
agreement
with
the
city
and
the
owner.
C
So
essentially
it's
a
contract.
That's
that
says
that
both
the
city
and
the
owner
will
be
good
stewards
of
the
site
and
do
good
conservation
work.
So,
similarly
to
designation
the
agreement
would
identify
the
site's
cultural
heritage,
values
and
specific
elements
to
be
protected
and
conserved.
C
C
I
say
the
contents
and
the
terms
of
the
easement
haven't
been
finalized,
but,
like
I
say
this
is
the
first
step
in
the
process,
but
the
general
intent
of
the
terms
is
to
you
know,
outline
and
identify
those
heritage,
attributes
the
important
elements
of
the
site
to
require
the
implementation
of
the
conservation
approach
that
is
outlined
in
the
cultural
heritage,
impact
statement
and
identify
interpretation
opportunities
to
highlight
and
tell
the
previous
previously
untold
stories
that
the
site
represents,
as
it
would
be
an
agreement.
C
This
approach
also
means
that
both
the
city
and
the
owner
have
clear
expectations
and
understanding
of
what
will
be
undertaken
and
how,
as
part
of
this
development
and
the
easement
is
intended
to
tie
the
plans
for
the
proposal
to
the
sites
which,
if
approved,
will
still
need
to
be
further
refined.
As
the
project
moves
through
the
process
to
site
plan.
C
And
just
as
an
example.
If
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
the
applicant
is
still
working
to
refine
some
of
the
architectural
treatment
of
the
new
construction,
particularly
at
that
northeast
corner.
To
provide
some
improved
integration
with
the
reconstructed
lantern
at
the
roof.
And
so
staff
will
continue
to
work
with
the
applicant
on
this
and
finalizing
the
other
terms
before
bringing
the
easement
back
through
bill
heritage
subcommittee
and
council.
C
In
conclusion,
staff
have
worked
over
the
course
of
more
than
a
year
with
the
applicant
to
ensure
the
cultural
heritage
value
of
the
site
and
that
it
can
be
conserved
as
part
of
the
proposed
development
and
by
both
listing
the
property
on
the
register
and
entering
into
an
easement
staffer
of
the
printing.
That
this
approach
is
a
creative
and
innovative
solution
to
many
of
the
challenges
of
the
site
and
the
building
itself,
while
also
meeting
the
goals
of
heritage
conservation
as
part
of
the
proposal.
A
A
So
we
have
carl
bray
and
david
anderson
who've
asked
for
10
minutes
combined
to
provide
a
a
presentation
on
on
this
project.
Just
to
note
as
well
for
future
questions.
We
also
have
a
number
of
representatives
from
the
applicant,
including
barry,
hobbin,
donna,
dewar
and
michael
vilnov,
and
eric
forehand
and
tim
chatter,
who
are
representatives
of
the
providing
input
from
the
perspective
of
the
architects,
as
well
as
the
association,
the
canadian
nurses,
association
and
the
planning
consultants.
A
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
committee
members
and
members
of
the
public
I'm
going
to
be
making
the
primary
part
of
the
presentation,
I'm
going
to
borrow
a
little
bit
of
mr
anderson's
time,
but
mr
anderson
and
I
will
be
available
to
answer
questions.
K
K
But
what
I'd
like
to
say
to
start
is
that
this
has
been
a
long
process,
as
miss
kim
has
pointed
out,
and
it
has
gone
through
several
iterations
and
I've
been
very
pleased
with
the
way
in
which
city
planning,
staff
and
city
heritage
staff
have
been
able
to
work
with
me
and
with
the
consulting
team
to
work
forward
on
this
particular
project.
K
Next
side
slide,
please
so,
as
this
slide
shows
it's
very
much
a
collaborative
effort
that
this
project
has
gone
through.
I
joined
the
project
in
late
2020
and
over
the
next
year,
prepared
my
cultural
heritage
impact
statement
and
part
of
doing
that
was
with
heritage
staff.
As
I
mentioned,
with
city
planning,
there
was
a
public
meeting.
K
I've
also
been
able
to
have
consultations
with
interest
groups,
heritage,
ottawa,
the
strep
foundation,
etc.
So
many
different
voices
have
contributed
to
this
and
centering
it
all.
Is
hoben
architects
who've
been
able
to
try
to
take
all
these
different
comments
and
combine
them
into
a
coherent
design.
K
This
is
a
fascinating
sight.
I'm
I've
been
in
this
business
a
long
time,
and
this
site
is
really
really
rich
in
terms
of
its
history
going
right
back
to
glacial
times,
but
it
started
off
as
a
creek
and
that
creek
became
a
very
valuable
portion
of
the
rideau
canal
construction
because
it
created
a
large
basin
that
became
a
part
of
the
canal
and
made
life
a
lot
easier
from
digging
the
deep
cut
just
to
the
north.
K
So
it
was
also
the
site
of
a
little
boat
yard,
neville's
creek
and
the
neville's
steamboat
operation,
and
so
it
went
through
several
iterations
once
that
part
of
the
golden
triangle
started
to
develop,
the
creek
was
eventually
filled
in
and
the
development
took
place
around
it
and
then,
as
the
driveway
cultural
landscape
was
developed,
that
edge
became
sort
of
a
transition
zone
with
the
rest
of
the
residential
neighborhood,
and
a
lot
of
industry
was
placed
along
there
in
various
types.
K
So
you
hear
see
an
image
here
of
the
the
moving
storage
warehouse
that
was
on
the
property
for
many
many
years
as
long
along
with
a
few
remnants
of
the
residential
properties.
K
That
was
part
of
the
neville
boat
works
and
because
it
had
been
developed
in
the
late
19th
century,
early
20th
century,
it
was
a
bit
run
down
and
the
city
at
the
time
wanted
to
improve
its
image
image
of
this
whole
area,
and
so
the
current
building,
the
current
property
was
part
of
a
city-led
initiative
to
improve
the
appearance
of
this
area,
but
also
to
put
higher
value
uses
in
this
particular
part
of
the
world,
and
you
what
you
see
is
a
rendering
from
the
time
that
the
building
was
being
constructed.
K
So
what
you
have
is,
as
has
been
described,
a
building
in
the
modernist
tradition,
with
some
brutalist
influences.
The
architect
really
was
quite
innovative
and
had
his
own
way
of
dealing
with
massing
with
fenestration
etc.
But
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
the
building
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
would
fit
more
in
a
suburban
setting.
It
really
doesn't
deal
much
with
the
urban
context
or
for
that
matter,
with
the
with
the
driveway
cultural
landscape.
It's
quite
inward.
K
Looking
there
aren't
many
windows
and
really
the
the
element
that
stands
out
and
relates
to
its
broader
surrounding
is
the
lantern
that
sits
on
top.
There
was
an
addition
put
on
in
the
1980s
in
a
slightly
different
style,
perhaps
more
a
little
more
post,
modernist,
but
generally
compatible
with
the
original
structure.
K
K
Next.
Next,
please
so,
through
the
renovations
portions
of
the
original
building
were
removed
to
put
the
edition
on,
and
you
have
what
you
find
there
today.
So
my
job
was
to
do
a
full
evaluation
based
on
ontario
regulation
906.
K
I
also
was
able
to
dive
into
the
archives
and
historical
photographs
and
come
up
with
the
history
of
the
property
that
I've
just
mentioned,
and
I
was
very
lucky
to
have
the
city's
preliminary
evaluation
of
the
property
and
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
what
they
concluded
was
pretty
much
what
I
concluded.
So
we
were
in
accord
in
terms
of
what
the
statement
of
cultural
heritage,
value
or
interest
was
saying,
and
what
the
list
of
key
attributes
were
next
slide
please.
K
So
the
key
elements
of
the
statement
are,
as
you
see
here,
the
building,
as
I
mentioned,
is,
has
been
slightly
modified
and
you'll
see
this
in
in
upcoming
slides,
but
the
the
importance
is
not
just
in
terms
of
its
exterior
appearance,
but
also
its
associations
with
the
nurses.
It's
a
bespoke
building.
It
was
built
specifically
for
them.
It
was
meant
to
represent
them.
So,
in
some
ways
its
legacy
is
that
of
the
nurses,
more
so
than
an
individual
architectural
item.
K
It's
also,
of
course,
a
landmark
on
the
driveway,
primarily
because
of
the
lantern
there's
a
lot
of
tree
screening
between
it
and
the
walkway,
but
the
lantern
does
quite
stand
out
next,
please.
K
So
these
are
the
heritage
attributes
that
have
been
mutually
agreed
upon.
As
you
can
see,
particularly
in
the
in
the
illustrations,
the
building
is
built
on
multiple
levels.
It
does
have
a
very
irregular
massing.
K
It's
also
somewhat
of
a
of
a
janus
faced
or
two-faced
building,
so
the
rear
elevation
is
very
similar
to
the
main
elevation
that
you
see
from
the
driveway,
but
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
through
discussions
with
staff
and
also
hearing
comments
from
the
public
and
from
the
interest
groups,
the
key
attribute
really
is
the
lantern,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
there's
been
so
much
discussion
on
how
to
incorporate
it
into
a
new
structure.
K
Otherwise,
the
components
as
you
can
see
here
are
elements
that
can
be
reconstructed
and
or
replicated
next,
please,
and,
as
was
mentioned
in
miss
kim's
presentation,
this
is
a
quirky
building
built
very
much
for
a
single
user
and
very
much
in
a
particular
tradition
that
places
heavy
reliance
on
very
thick
concrete
construction.
K
A
lot
of
masses
of
masonry
that
kind
of
thing
and
its
location
right
in
the
middle
of
the
property
makes
it
very
very
problematic
in
terms
of
how
you
would
develop
the
site
that
and
the
fact
that
it
really
does
turn
its
back
on
the
neighborhood
and
even
on
the
driveway.
K
K
So
then
it
becomes
an
issue
of
how
do
you
conserve
the
key
heritage
attributes
and
going
back
to
list
of
those
attributes?
Really
they
come
down
to
the
lantern
and
to
what
you
see
from
the
driveway.
So
the
two
and
three
story-
elevation,
the
trapezoidal
stair
the
fenestration
and
some
of
the
the
concrete
detailing,
such
as
it
is
keeping
in
mind
that
there
have
been
some
modifications
to
the
elevation
over
time
with
new
interventions
and
forms
of
windows
and
entrance
stairs.
K
So
the
approach
is
one
that
is
is
within
heritage
conservation
practice.
It's
perhaps
not
all
that
usual,
but
it
does
conserve
the
heritage
attributes.
It
is
a
deconstruct
reconstruct
so
taking
portions
of
the
existing
elevation
apart,
storing
them
off
site,
rebuilding
them
in
a
slightly
different
location,
but
within
the
podium
base
of
the
new
structure
and
in
a
prominent
location.
K
As
was
mentioned
before,
with
the
setbacks
of
the
new
structure
behind
the
prominence
of
the
these
elements
is
going
to
be
conserved
visually
from
the
driveway,
but
but
also
in
terms
of
contrasting
with
the
rest
of
the
new
building
and
the
salvaged
materials
will
be
reused.
They
will
be
stored
off-site
in
some
cases,
replication
will
be
needed
for
the
stairs
and
for
the
terrace.
K
But
one
of
the
big
things
that's
interesting
here
is
that,
with
the
redevelopment
of
the
property,
you
get
the
opportunity
to
interpret
the
very
rich
history
of
the
site
and,
to
some
extent
its
immediate
surroundings.
So
that's
something
that's
very
much
part
and
parcel
of
this
development
proposal
next
slide.
K
Please
so
you've
already
seen
some
of
these,
but
this
is
just
kind
of
a
summary
of
what
is
being
conserved
and
how
and
where
it's
being
located,
so
the
landmark
element
on
the
roof
which
won't
be
publicly
accessible
but
will
be
visually
accessible,
internally
lit
and
very
much
a
skyline
element,
and
because
it
would
be
a
top
a
nine-story
structure
rather
than
atop
a
two-story
structure.
It
will
be
that
much
more
prominent
in
the
immediate
area
and
beyond
the
facade
will
form
part
of
a
new
interior
residential
units.
K
The
lowest
floor
of
the
three-story
unit
will
be
the
face
of
a
portion
of
the
underground
parking
structure,
but
otherwise
the
fenestration
will
lead
into
interior
spaces,
and
there
will
also
be
a
lobby
in
the
new
tower
where
interpretive
possibilities
occur
as
well.
We
have
there
are
interpretive
opportunities
along
the
lewis
street
side,
where
it's
immediately
publicly
accessible
next
slide.
Please.
A
And
carl
just
wanted
you
to
know
that
you
are
a
bit
over
time.
K
So,
just
in
summary,
going
back
to
the
standards
and
guidelines,
a
deconstruct
reconstruct
can
be
considered
a
form
of
rehabilitation,
as
I've
got
the
quote
here
and
from
ms
kim's
presentation,
you
see
many
of
the
elements
that
are
being
conserved
and
how
interpretation
would
take
place,
and
just
finally,
in
the
bottom
corner,
in
terms
of
the
visual
impact
on
the
ncc
property
and
on
the
canal,
it's
it's
virtually
invisible
with
the
tree
cover,
but
also
in
terms
of
the
the
heights
of
the
adjacent
buildings,
there's
quite
a
step
down
to
the
south,
towards
the
german
embassy
and
with
the
tree
canopy
and
the
setback
from
the
driveway
and
canal.
K
So
thank
you
very
much
and
I'm
available
to
answer
questions
also,
as
you
probably
know
from
the
speakers
list,
there
are
representatives
from
the
client,
from
the
architect
and
and
from
their
legal
counsel.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
so
much
and
we'll
also
take
this
opportunity.
If
there
are
any
questions,
as
you
had
noted
from
parts
of
the
other
parts
of
the
applicant
team,
we
do
have
counselor
mckinney,
who
have
raised
their
hand.
H
Thank
you
chair.
Can
you
hear
me
we
can
okay,
I'm
coming
in
on
my
phone
without
date,
without
wi-fi
and
and
new
headphones,
so
I
wasn't
sure.
Listen.
I
just
have
one
question
right
now,
I'm
not
sure
who
can
answer
it
from
the
side
of
the
applicant,
but
I
just
want
to
ask
about
the
the
visual
accessibility
of
the
lantern.
As
you
know,
I've
I've
not
been
supportive
of
nine
stories.
H
I'd
hoped
to
see
something
more
mid-rise
more
in
line
with
existing
zoning
come
back,
but
in
terms
of
the
heritage
attributes.
So
that's
not
what
we're
talking
about
today,
but
but
in
terms
of
the
heritage
attribute
and
the
and
the
lantern,
and
how
I
understand
that,
yes,
of
course,
on
a
two-story
building,
it
wasn't
visually
accessible
far
and
wide,
but
how
far
away
from
the
building
do
you
have
to
be
now
to
be
able
to
see
it
from
each
corner?
H
K
Well,
thank
you
through
you,
mr
chair.
I
can't
say
exactly
because
the
the
the
massing
renderings
that
have
been
done
so
far
give
some
indication
of
that,
but
I
can
say
that
at
nine
stories
it's
going
to
be
above
the
tree
cover
so
it'll
be
quite
evident,
certainly
from
the
other
side
of
the
canal,
and
I
think,
even
along
the
driveway,
if
you
were
walking
you'd,
be
able
to
see
it
even
through
the
tree
canopy.
K
If
it
was
lit
in
the
in
the
evening
and
and
at
night,
I
would
direct
any
further
questions
to
mr
anderson,
in
terms
of
he's
been
working
more
closely
with
the
massing
models.
F
Thanks
carl,
thank
you,
counselor
in
terms
of
the
visual,
how
you're
going
to
see
it
when
you're
around
building
that
is
part
of
the
the
heritage
easement
is
to
in
terms
of
how
we're
going
to
integrate
it
with
the
the
facade
on
the
corner
of
louis.
F
So
the
idea
is
to
really
draw
your
eye
up
towards
the
lantern,
for
it
to
be
pretty
visually
accessible
from
anywhere
along
the
canal
along
the
driveway
when
you're
close
to
that
area.
When
you're
on
the
other
side,
we
haven't
done
extensive
analysis
in
terms
of
when
you're
on
the
streets
behind,
depending
on
the
tree
cover
and
the
homes
on
the
other
side.
F
We'd
have
to
take
a
further
look
to
really
kind
of
go,
go
around
the
block,
see
if
and
how
it's
it's
visually
prominent
depending
on
the
context,
but
the
idea
is
to
make
it
as
visually
prominent
as
possible
and
then
what
everywhere
kind
of
along
the
canal
on
either
side?
You
would
see
it
above
the
the
tree
canopy.
H
Okay,
no,
I
appreciate
that.
I
appreciate
the
the
response
and
I
guess
perhaps
my
follow-up,
then
chair
will
be
more
to
staff,
to
talk
about
the
the
easement
agreement
and
what
that
means
in
terms
of
visual
accessibility.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you,
and
vice
chair
quinn,
has
her
hand
raised.
L
Thank
you
chair.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation,
mr
bray.
My
question
pertains
to
the
the
moving
of
the
wall.
I
mean
this
project
involves
quite
a
bit
of
demolition
and
a
dismantling,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
could
provide
a
little
more
detail
as
to
why
the
design
requires
the
dismantling
and
the
moving
of
the
one
facade
that
is
going
to
be
retained,
why
it
could
not
remain
in
c2.
K
Yes
through
you,
mr
chair,
I
mentioned
earlier
that
the
current
building
is
right
in
the
middle
of
the
site,
so
there
are
issues
there
with
how
you
would
find
space
around
the
existing
building
to
build
new
structures.
K
But,
as
you're
probably
aware,
with
many
developments
that
deal
with
heritage
buildings,
getting
underground
parking
in
is
a
major
issue.
So
long
story
short
the
after
many
many
discussions
around
this
issue,
it
was
felt
that
by
deconstructing
and
reconstructing
in
a
in
a
part
of
the
site,
that's
closer
to
the
corner.
K
Away
from
the
middle
in
other,
in
other
words,
would
allow
the
reinstating
of
the
most
important
parts
of
the
visible
parts
of
the
building,
I.e
the
elevation
along
the
driveway
and
the
lantern
and
in
terms
of
the
actual
process,
I've
been
working
closely,
not
just
with
the
architects,
but
also
with
the
structural
engineers
and
with
the
building
contractors,
and
they
are
of
the
opinion
and
you'll
see
a
summary
in
my
heritage
impact
statement
of
taking
portions
of
the
facade
apart
in
sections
taking
other
portions
down
by
hand
and
reconstructing
other
portions.
K
L
Okay,
thank
you.
I
have
a
a
a
second
question
and
I
may
have
misunderstood
during
your
presentation,
but
the
were
you
saying
that
the
fenestration
of
that
reconstructed
wall
would
become
that
would
become
entrance
ways.
K
K
I'm
glad
you
did,
let
me
roll
that
back.
What
you
see
today
is
a
slightly
altered
version
of
the
original
design,
so
the
main
entrance
with
that
trapezoidal
stair-
that
was
the
main
entrance,
but
subsequently
a
second
entrance
was
made
to
what
was
then
the
kitchen
coming
out
onto
the
terrace.
So
there
are
two
entrances
now
and
so
the
reconstruction
would
that
the
main
entrance
to
the
new
building
would
be
through
the
lobby,
so
the
the
the
reconstructed
entrance
might
end
up
being.
K
It
could
be
functional
in
terms
of
a
secondary
exit,
but
I'll
leave
it
to
mr
anderson
to
explain
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
that.
But
my
reference
to
entrances
was
in
terms
of
what's
there
now
and
and
how
that
reflected
a
few
alterations
over
time.
F
Yeah
and
if
I
can
add
to
that
the
late
as
carl
said,
we're
gonna
see
how
we
can
reuse
the
existing
entrances,
but
the
rest
of
the
facade
all
the
existing
windows.
A
Thank
you.
I
don't
see
any
other
hands
raised.
So
if
that's
the
case,
thank
you
for
your
your
presentation.
Much
appreciated
the
next
registered
speaker
is
hunter
mcgill
from
heritage
ottawa.
M
Good
morning
chair
and
thank
you
very
much
to
you
and
the
committee
for
this
opportunity,
we
have
submitted
a,
I
hope,
useful,
succinct
statement
of
the
concerns
that
we
as
heritage
ottawa
have,
and
I
also
find
very
useful,
the
complementary
submission
that
you've
received
from
the
strut
foundation.
M
I
would
we've
offered
members
of
the
committee
yourself
a
list
of
questions
you
may
wish
to
pose
to
the
to
the
city
staff
with
regard
to
the
mechanics
of
the
approach.
M
That
city
is
recommending
to
you,
and
we
look
forward
with
interest
to
to
the
answers
that
you
may
get.
One
point
that
I
would
like
to
make
on
behalf
of
heritage
ottawa
is,
with
regard
to
the
separation
of
the
lantern.
M
That's
been
described
to
you
by
both
the
city
and
by
mr
bray,
separating
it
entirely
from
the
the
structure,
the
original
structure
on
which
it
was
situated
and
of
which
it
was
an
integral
and
important
part.
It
seems
very
unfortunate
that
there
has
to
be
this
nine
story.
M
B
M
Making
the
lantern
visually
remote
and
we're
a
little
bit
skeptical
about
just
how
visible
it
will
be
to
to
passers-by
to
the
public,
but
it
also
just
means
that
that
it
is
almost
will
look
like
an
add-on
to
the
new
building,
rather
than
seen
as
an
important
part
of
the
original
structure,
which
we
are
very
anxious
to
see
preserved
to
the
maximum
extent
possible.
M
We
have
used
language
in
our
submission
to
you,
which
we
feel
is
is
appropriate
in
terms
of
the
inventiveness,
the
sympathetic
use
of
materials
and
the
sensitivity
to
the
site,
which
we
believe,
mr
stratt,
a
noted
ottawa
architecture
use
in
his
approach
to
his
commission.
On
this.
I
would
just
ask
that,
rather
than
using
the
term
brutalist,
which
mr
bray
has
favored,
that
we
use
the
term
modernist,
which
in
fact
is,
I
think,
perhaps
a
more
suitable
term
for
the
for
the
existing
structure.
M
I
won't
go
any
further,
but
of
course
I
am
very
happy
to
try
to
answer
any
questions.
U.N
committee
members
may
have.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,.
A
I
I'm
hoping
you
can
hear
me.
I
Excellent,
I
apologize
to
everyone
for
the
technical
difficulties
I'm
having
this
morning,
I'm
using
both
phone
and
computer.
I
I
want
to
thank
you,
mr
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
for
giving
us
a
chance
to
speak.
I
I
I
can
understand
how
difficult
this
is
being
in
this
business
and
dealing
with
heritage.
To
start
with,
I
I
think
I'm
not
going
to
reboot
much
of
what
was
just
said
by
my
esteemed
colleagues
from
heritage
ottawa.
I
However,
we
firmly
still
believe
that
this
property
should
be
designated
heritage
and
that
our
problem
with
what
is
being
proposed
primarily,
is
whether
or
not
the
easement
can
be
made
enforceable
on
a
subsequent
owner
of
the
property
if
once
the
development
is
allowed
or
rezoned
and
the
property
is
sold
to
someone
else
to
do
the
actual
development
when
we
were
first
approached
that
was
the
intent
was
to
get
the
rezoning
so
that
the
property
could
be
sold
for
development.
I
We
spoke
to
the
heritage
planner
that
was
employed
at
that
time,
who,
after
being
told
about
the
significance
of
certain
parts
of
the
building,
actions
were
taken
to
disassemble
some
of
those
parts
and
then
a
new
heritage.
Planner
was
brought
in
we're,
not
sure
why.
But
we
we
do
know
that
at
that
point
we
were
then
dealing
with
a
different
situation
and
we
feel
like
disassembling.
I
The
building
and
separating
the
parts
will
take
away
most
of
its
heritage
value
in
definitely
the
lantern
being
incorporated
as
a
light
only
as
opposed
to
an
experiential
space
takes
away
most
of
its
cultural
values
and
not
being
cohesive
and
interactive
in
the
building
itself.
Again
will
be
tracked
from
its
value.
I
I
think
I
probably
only
wanted
to
say
and
again
because
of
technical
difficulties.
This
was
on
the
slide,
but
will
not
be
on
a
slide.
The
comment
that
it
was
made
specifically
for
nurses
and
what
they
do
can
be
misinterpreted
as
well.
It
is
an
office
building,
it
was
for
the
management
of
the
association.
It
was
for
the
production
of
their
regular
newsletter
and
again
it
was
an
association
of
women.
I
At
a
time
when,
having
an
association,
any
type
of
association
of
women
today
on
on
women's
day,
particularly
this
seems
like
a
pretty
significant
building
and
should
be
recognized
for
that
as
well.
There's
all
kinds
of
heritage
aspects
to
the
building
that
are
not
being
addressed
as
very
concerned,
primarily
from
our
perspective,
the
fact
that
it
is
one
of
the
significant
buildings
in
the
struck
collection,
as
well
as
the
librarian
archives,
canada,
significant
buildings
of
the
farm.
I
That's
all
I
have
to
say
at
this
point.
If
anyone
has
any
questions,
I'm
pleased
to
answer
and
thank
you,
mr
chair
and
members
of
the
committee.
A
I
don't
see
any
hands
raised,
so
I
don't
think
that
there
are
any
questions
for
you,
but
we
thank
you
for
both
your
statement
and
also
for
the
subsequent
submission
that
was
circulated
to
members
of
the
subcommittee.
A
And
I
don't
see,
oh
I
see
vice
chair
quinn
has
raised
her
hand.
L
Thank
you.
Well,
I
will
ask
titania
truesdale's
question
the
strut
foundation's
concern
about
the
the
future
of
the
easement,
the
implications
of
the
easement.
I
should
say
on
future
property
owners.
Could
we
have
clarification
on
that.
C
Yes,
thank
you
vice
chair
quinn,
good
question,
I
so
the
easement.
Similarly
to
a
designation,
it's
a
it's
a
bylaw,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
presentation.
C
The
terms
of
the
easement
would
need
to
be
finalized
and
then
brought
back
to
committee
for
for
consideration
before
bringing
forward
to
council
for
for
passing
and
typically
those
those
bylaws
are
registered
on
title,
so
it
would
be
registered
for
a
future
owner
just
like
a
designation
and
it
would
be
enforced
in
perpetuity.
A
Thank
you
and
I
see
that
counselor
mckinney
has
raised
their
hand.
H
I
realize
that
they're
separate,
however,
because
we're
not
getting
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
and
and
the
the
heritage
report
concurrent
I
have
to
I
have
to
I
have
to
address
the
the
nine-story
height
limit
in
vis-a-vis
the
the
lantern,
because
for
myself,
while
I
don't
support
the
nine
stories
you
know
overall,
I
you
know
the
the
heritage
attributes
that
are
being
retained.
You
know
in
a
building
that
didn't
have
heritage
protection
when
this
all
started.
H
I
believe
that
we've
come
to
a
place
where
you
know
where
we,
where
we're
seeing
a
significant.
H
I
don't
know
if
improvement,
is
the
right
word
from
what
what
what
we
were
faced
with
just
two
years
ago
when,
when
this
all
surfaced,
so
you
know
when
we
were
when
we
were
faced
with
the
demolition
right
like
that.
That
could
have
been
the
outcome
here.
So
I
I
need
we
need
to.
H
We
need
to
place
that,
as
you
know,
whether
we
can
all
agree
that
perhaps
it
should
have
had
heritage
protection,
but
but
but
these
things
are
process,
and-
and
here
we
are
so
in
terms
of
the
lantern
and
the
and
the
heritage
easement
agreement,
you
said
that
it
that
the
the
heritage
attributes
are
tied
to
the
to
to
the
proposal
to
the
site
to
the
development
proposal
to
the
site.
Now
that's
coming
up
in
days.
So
how
does
that
work?
H
In
terms
of
you
know
when
when
do
you
decide
what
are
the
heritage
attributes
and
how
they
will
be
defined
and
and
and
retained,
and
and
what
does
that
mean
for
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
lantern,
for
example?
Does
that
allow
the
city?
Does
it
come
back
to
us
and
does
that?
Allow
us
to
question
what
happens
to
that
here?
That
heritage
attribute
as
a
result
of
the
extra
height
that
is
being
that
is
being
sought
by
the
applicant.
C
Okay,
thank
you
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
so
the
ease,
so
I
would
say
the
attributes
of
the
site
have,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
presentation,
we
have
used
the
draft
statement
of
value
and-
and
mr
bray
has
mentioned,
as
well
to
inform
the
process
so
far.
The
discussions
we've
had
so
far,
so
I
would
say
largely
the
attributes
have
been
sort
of
outlined
already
and
really
the
intention
would
be
to
carry
those
forward
into
the
easement
terms
so
listing
those
attributes
listing.
You
know
the
statement.
C
The
reasons
that
this
property
is
is
important,
why
it
has
heritage
value
as
part
of
those
terms,
and
that
would
be
that
would
need
to
come
back
to
this
committee
once
those
have
been
finalized
for
approval
and
the
intention
is
for
so
I
I
mentioned
the
the
official
plan
amendment
and
the
zoning
bila
amendment
that's
running
concurrently
to
this
step
now,
so
that
will
go
to
planning
committee
on
thursday,
together
with
this
report,
and
so
the
intention
is
for
staff
to
be
able
to
finalize
the
easement
terms
once
those
approvals
once
the
the
planning
approvals
go
forward
and
sort
of
in
that
interim
period,
finalize
those
those
easement
terms,
so
that
it
can
reflect
the
final
plans
for
the
project.
C
I
mean,
as
as
we
know,
some
some
final
details.
You
know
get
refined
from
the
zoning
stage
closer
to
the
site
plan,
so
we
want
the
easement
to
reflect
those
final
site
plan,
drawings
and
elevations
and
those
those
details
that
eventually
we'll
get
to
that
point.
Once
we're
once
we
have
all
of
those
details,
so
that
would
come.
The
easement
is
intended
to
come
kind
of
concurrently
with
the
site
plan
approval
stage,
so
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
H
It
does
absolutely,
and
could
I
ask,
then,
this
heritage
staff
take
a
position
on
the
separation
from
the
ground
or
from
where
the
lantern
has
been
located
in
terms
of
the
height?
Is
that
do
you?
Do
you
from
a
heritage
perspective?
Do
you
take
account
of
that.
C
I
I
think,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
in
my
presentation,
I
think
the
lantern
has
been
maybe
the
most
challenging
part
in
terms
of
being
able
to
integrate
into
a
new
building
this
the
scale
the
height
makes
it
makes
it
a
real
challenge,
and
I
I
think
the
applicant
we
shared
some
of
those
concerns
about
you
know,
separating
from
the
existing
building,
certainly
being
able
to
keep
it
on
top
in
its
current
location
would
have
been
the
preferred
approach,
but
you
know
if,
if
it
were
to
be
incorporated
there,
it
would
mean
you
know
some
of
those
units
most
of
those
units
that
would
look
into
it.
C
So
I
think
that's
a
major
challenge,
and
certainly
it's
something
we
raised
with
the
applicant
and
they
looked
at
different
different
options.
Lower
than
the
ninth
floor.
They
looked
at
that
as
well,
but
I
think
you
know
having
it
be
on
the
top
of
the
new
construction
still
speaks
to
some
of
the
you
know
the
its
function
as
a
as
a
beacon
in
the
community.
It
potential
to
be
lit.
C
Those
are
some
of
the
terms
that
we
need
to
work
out
still
and,
like
I
said,
you
know
how
it's
being
integrated
into
the
new
construction
that
I
think
still
needs
to
be
refined
as
well
and
that'll,
be
part
of
the
finalizing
of
those
easement
terms
and
and
ensuring
that
it's
it's
visible,
visible
to
the
public
visible
from
the
street.
H
Okay,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
and
thank
you
chair
just
quickly
in
closing,
I
just
do
want
to
recognize
from
the
community's.
H
Efforts
staff
efforts,
the
cna,
I
know
that
there
were
there
were
many
meetings
and
there
were
times
when
this
could
have
gone
in
in
a
way
that
would
not
have
benefited
the
community
in
any
way,
certainly
with
a
full
demolition
of
this
building.
This
is
one
of
those
buildings
that
I
feel
has
existed
for
so
long
in
our
neighborhood.
It's
almost
like,
I
don't
know
the
middle
of
well.
H
I
won't
say
how
many
children,
but
it's
like
it's
like
you,
really
appreciate
it,
but
you
appreciate
it
whenever
it
was
just
about
to
go
off
to
school,
even
more
right
like
when
we're
about
to
lose
it
I
mean
that's
when
I
went
around
more
and
looked
at
it
more
often
and
and-
and
it
certainly
is,
tucked
away
and
has
been
tucked
away,
which
is
also
part
of
its
charm,
really
in
a
sense
that
it
it
didn't
glare
at
you
every
day,
but
but
it
was
always
there
we
always.
H
We
always
knew
that
it
was
there
and
I
agree
with
you
know
mr
hunter,
like
I
think
that,
referring
to
it
more
instead
of
brutalists
more
as
modernist,
because
because
it
really
is-
and
it's
a
piece
of
modernist
architecture
at
a
time
when
we
were
getting
more
slab
architecture
and-
and
you
know
in
in
in
and
around
the
area.
So
you
know
I
I
do
support
the
the
placement
of
the
lantern.
I
just
don't
support
that
the
extra
height,
so
I'm
you
know,
so
I
I'm
going
to
support.
H
Obviously,
today
the
the
heritage
report
going
forward,
and
then
you
know
my
my
position,
I
don't
have
a
position
at
planning
for
my
own
planning
committee,
but
at
council
then
could
could
certainly
be
altered
depending
on
what
happens
at
a
planning
committee.
H
But
I
do
want
to
thank
everyone
for
their
interest
in
this
and
and
I
I
do
look
forward
to
ongoing
considerations
around
those
heritage,
easement
easement
agreements,
because
we've
seen
just
before
all
of
this
started
what
can
happen
when
heritage
is
neglected
in
our
community
so
and
not
not
repurpose.
If
that's
the,
if
that's
what
needs
to
happen
or
not,
you
know
adapted
into
other
reuses.
So
thank
you.
I
appreciate
everyone's
work
on
this.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
mckinney.
We
we
definitely
appreciate
those
insights.
I
see
that
vice
chair
quinn
has
raised
her
hand
as
well.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Sorry,
I
just
was
checking
my
mute.
I
I
would
just
like
to
take
a
moment
to
also
express
my
appreciation
for
the
amount
of
work
that
has
gone
into
this
to
this
file.
This
project
it
has
and-
and
we
know
I
was
sitting
on
this
committee
on
the
subcommittee
when
it
when
it
all
started,
and
so
I
do
know
that
it's
been
a
very
difficult
and
challenging
and
sensitive
project,
and
so
I
do
appreciate
the
work
that
has
gone
into
it.
L
It's
very
easy
to
undervalue
them
and
in
fact,
we're
losing
them
more
and
more,
and
I
think
that
this
kind
of
heritage
conservation
is
probably
you
know
the
least
desirable
when
we
have
partial
demolition,
dismantling
and
reconstruction
and
separation
of
key
value
heritage
elements
from
from
the
building.
You
know
it's
taking
the
limbs
apart
and
having
them
on
display
and
the
really
the
beauty
of
that
lantern
was
the
experience
from
inside
the
building.
L
There
was
a
very
sophisticated
design
there
that
we
are,
we
haven't
really
even
talked
about
today,
but
and
and
james
strutt.
You
know,
he's
a
very
important
modernist
architect
in
this
city
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
celebrating
his
work.
I
think
this
is
a
red
flag
for
us.
We
need
to
be
more
proactive
in
finding
other
good
examples
of
struts
designs
in
the
city
and
getting
ahead
of
of
these
kinds
of
situations.
L
So
it
is
disappointing,
but
on
the
other
hand,
you
know
I
certainly
recognize
the
challenges
and
and
the
effort
that
have
been
made
that
has
been
made
to
to
find
a
solution.
L
That
is
something
more
positive
positive
than
a
photo
on
demolition,
but
I
just
I
wanted
to
go
on
record
as
having
expressed
my
disappointment
at
the
loss
of
this,
the
dismantling
of
this
of
this
building
and,
of
course,
feeling
a
little
bit
like
we're,
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse.
By
going
ahead
with
this,
before
determining
exactly
what
heritage
elements
the
easement
is
going
to
protect,
you
know
sort
of
after
we've
kind
of
dismantled
it,
but
anyway
I
will.
L
I
will
be
somewhat
reluctantly,
reluctantly
approving
the
voting
in
approval
of
this
today.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
A
J
Yes
teacher,
I
I
was
waiting
for
the
appropriate
time
by
the
way.
How
is
my
volume
I
hope
I've
corrected
it?
I
can
be
heard.
A
Well,
I
can
hear
you,
but
others
were
reporting
that
they
couldn't
so
I
don't
know,
but
I
always
turn
up
the
volume
extremely
high.
J
J
I
think
that
it
is
worth
noting
that,
as
caroline
said,
it's
understated
and
in
fact
is
one
of
the
more
conservative
pieces
of
his
of
his
works,
many
of
which
were
very,
very
adventurous
and
avant-garde.
J
Having
said
that,
I
think
that
I
also
do
support
the
strategy
that
has
been
advocated
by
the
staff
heritage
staff
planners
of
an
easement.
This
is
an
effective
way
of
doing
it.
I
I
do
also
have
a
little
bit
of
concern
with
the
separation
of
the
head
from
the
arms,
so
to
speak,
that
put
the
lantern
in
a
prominent
location
along
the
canal,
but
doesn't
really
provide
it.
The
context
that
it
had
with
the
the
arms
and
shoulders
and
base
of
the
the
two
three-story
building.
J
B
J
Where
we
are
in
the
whole
program
of
looking
at
the
mid-century
modern
portfolio
of
buildings
constructed
you
know,
between
the
second
world
war
and
the
1970s,
there
are
literally
hundreds,
perhaps
even
thousands
of
buildings
that
need
to
be
evaluated
and
the
steps
that
we're
taking
an
ad
hoc
stack
step
of
looking
at
the
heritage
values,
and
the
attributes
of
this
particular
building
is
not
being
done
in
context
of
the
whole
portfolio
of
modern
buildings
that
should
be
examined.
This
is
something
that
we've
talked
about
before
in
the
military
of
the
subcommittee.
J
J
So
having
said
that,
it's
just
a
reminder
that
we
should
be
undertaking
this
survey
of
the
modernist
portfolio
more
aggressively.
That
means
supporting
funding
for
heritage
staff
resources
at
city
council,
so
that
we
don't
get
into
this
one
by
one
ad
hoc
discussions
over
the
incorporation
of
building
or
its
conservation,
as
we
are
today.
So
with
that,
I
will
also
reconfirm
that
I
will
support
the
staff
report.
Thank
you
very
much
for
hearing
me
and
I
hope
that
I
have
been
heard.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Well,
I
at
least
have
heard
you
I
I
hope
my
other
colleagues
have
your
your
comments
are
always
very
insightful
and
learn
it.
So
we
we
appreciate
them,
and
I
must
agree
with
all
three
of
my
colleagues
who
just
previously
spoke.
This
is
bittersweet,
I
think.
Ideally,
when
we
see
some
level
of
designation,
we
are
interested
in
adoptive
reuse,
we're
not
interested
in
in
a
sense
playing
lego
with
with
buildings,
deconstructing
them
and
putting
elements
in
different
places,
but
I
also
acknowledge
that
this
file
has
been
challenging.
A
We
we
want
to
ensure
that
heritage
attributes
are
are
just
generally
protected
and
the
the
use
of
a
heritage
easement
might
assist
in
that
in
that
task.
I
know
in
terms
of
the
correspondence
we
received
from
heritage
ottawa.
There
was
a
question
around
asking,
I
guess,
staff,
for
an
explanation
as
to
whether
this
was
the
only
option
available
for
the
former
nurses
association
headquarters.
A
I
think
that
that
was
somewhat
addressed
by
councillor
mckinney's
line
of
inquiry,
but
despite
the
fact
that
I
will
be
supporting
this-
and
I
like
I
said-
I
think
it's
it's
bittersweet
for
for
everyone.
I
will
ask
the
follow-up
question
before
we
do
so
before
we
hold
the
vote,
because
I
think
it's
explanatory,
and
I
know
that
staff
did
obviously
touch
on
it,
but
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
it's
probably
a
good
way
to
leave
this
debate
and
deliberation
heritage.
A
C
C
It's
going
to
identify
some
of
those
opportunities
that
mr
bray
mentioned,
and
I
think
some
others
for
interpretation
to
highlight
some
of
those
previously
untold
stories
that
the
site
represents
and
then
ultimately
tie
tie
these
tie
this
easement
to
the
plans
for
the
development.
As
this
project
moves
forward
to
site
plan.
A
Now
I
appreciate
that
clarification
before
we
move
ahead
with
the
vote.
You
know
the
heritage
ottawa
wanted.
I
think
a
little
bit
of
clarification
on
what
this
means
and
I
think
that
you've
clearly
stated
that
I
don't
see
anybody
else
with
their
hands
raised
for
either
further
questions
or
comments
on
this
item.
So
is
this
report
carried.