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Built Heritage Sub-Committee - Tuesday, April 12, 2022
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A
Well,
I
want
to
say
good
morning
to
everybody
again,
I'm
just
doing
a
visual
count
on
zoom
and
it
looks
like
we
do
have
a
quorum.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
councilor
brockington
is
with
us,
though
his
square
is,
is
blanked
out,
since
he
has
a
big
file
coming
up
perfect
excellent.
So
good
morning,
everybody
and
welcome
to
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
meeting
of
april
12
2022.
A
I'd
like
to
call
the
members
to
order.
This
meeting
is
being
held
remotely
through
zoom.
Those
who
do
not
need
to
participate
in
the
meeting
can
also
watch
it
live
on
the
ottawa
city
council
youtube
channel,
although
this
meeting
is
being
held,
virtually
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
that
the
land
on
which
ottawa
is
built
is
unseated,
algonquin,
anishnabe
territory.
A
I'd
also
like
to
take
a
moment
to
acknowledge
that
the
peoples
of
the
algonquin
anishinaabe
nation
have
lived
on
this
territory
for
millennia,
their
culture
and
presence
have
nurtured
and
continue
to
nurture
this
land.
The
city
of
ottawa
honors
the
people
and
the
land
of
the
algonquin
anishinaabe
nation
and
the
city
of
ottawa,
honors
all
first
nations
inui
and
metis
people
and
their
valuable
contributions
to
this
land.
A
reminder
to
participants
to
please
keep
your
microphones
muted.
A
Until
I
call
upon
you
to
speak,
I
will
provide
each
committee,
member
with
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
or
comment
on
each
item
in
the
order
in
which
they
raise
their
hand
in
zoom
for
panelists
the
raise
hand
option
is
found
at
the
bottom
of
the
participants
list
for
those
calling
in
press
star
9.
To
raise
your
hand,
the
committee
coordinator
and
I
will
be
watching
for
those
cues
members
are
also
reminded
to
submit
any
emotions,
visual
supports
or
declaration
of
interest
in
writing
to
the
coordinator
at
their
earliest
opportunity.
A
Although
the
deadlines
have
passed
for
residents
to
register
to
speak
and
provide
written
submissions
to
this
subcommittee,
residents
may
still
make
written
submissions
to
planning
committee
and
council.
If
you
have
technical
difficulties
signing
into
the
meeting,
you
can
contact
the
committee
coordinator
by
calling
613-5800.
A
Extension
22953
a
reminder
that
if
participants
are
having
technical
issues
with
their
zoom
connection,
they
may
call
in
using
the
backup
telephone
number
provided
by
the
coordinator.
At
this
time,
I've
received
regrets
from
vice
chair
quinn.
Could
the
committee
coordinator,
please
call
the
role
a
reminder
to
members
to
unmute
themselves
when
they're
called.
D
A
Seeing
none
I
have
also,
as
we
have
just
seen,
I've
received
regrets
from
vice
chair
quinn.
So
at
this
point,
if
there
are
any
emotions
that
do
come
before
us
that
are
technical
in
nature,
I
might
ask
one
of
the
other
members
to
to
fill
in,
for
that
are
the
minutes
of
tuesday
march
8th
2022
confirmed
kerry.
A
Thank
you.
Our
first
item
refers
to
planning
real
estate
and
economic
development
right
away
heritage
and
urban
design
services.
The
first
item
is
carlington
north
veterans
housing
heritage
study.
I
understand
that
councilor
brockington
has
a
motion
to
add
his
comments
as
war
counselor
to
the
report,
along
with
a
technical
amendment
drafted
by
staff
to
update
the
climate
implications,
sections
of
the
report,
councilor
brockington.
Would
you
please
introduce
that
motion.
E
Yes,
this
motion
is
intending
to
do
two
things,
as
the
chair
just
explained,
appending
my
comments,
which
missed
the
deadline-
that's
my
fault
totally
my
fault
and
to
add
a
climate
implications
section
to
the
staff
report.
So
chair,
I'm
not
going
to
read
my
my
my
comments.
Basically,
I'm
very
supportive
of
this
study
that
our
heritage
staff
proceeded
with
their
engagement
with
the
community
was
extensive
and
to
my
satisfaction,
and
we
had
good
turnouts
and
engagement
from
the
public.
E
So
my
comments
are
there
and
also
I'm
supportive
of
one
of
the
staff
recommendations
to
look
at
heritage
designations
for
a
local
park
and
church.
Secondly,
staff
wish
to
provide
a
comment
with
respect
to
climate
implications,
and
that
is
the
second
part
of
this
motion,
the
technical
amendment.
That
would
add
these
comments.
So,
in
summary,
those
that's
what
we're
dealing
with
with
my
motion.
A
F
Good
morning,
chair
and
members
of
committee
in
2019,
through
the
city-wide
heritage
inventory
project
council
directed
staff
to
conduct
additional
heritage
analysis
of
the
veterans,
housing
subdivisions
in
carlington,
north
greg,
mcpherson
emma
doedens
and
myself.
My
name
is
avery
marshall.
We
formed
this
core
study
team
today,
craig
and
greg,
and
I
are,
will
provide
a
brief
overview.
F
F
F
F
F
So
while
the
war
was
ongoing,
the
war
ended
in
45
construction
continued
until
early
1946..
The
subdivision
lands
were
then
annexed
from
nepean
to
ottawa,
quickly
afterward
almost
right
afterward.
The
second
subdivision
so
shown
in
purple
another
200
rental
homes
were
built
as
well
as
w
gowling
public
school
they're
built
immediately
south
of
the
first
subdivision
in
a
seamless
road
configuration.
F
F
F
It
consists
of
440
property
parcels,
so
when
you
break
them
down,
it's
428
residential,
there's,
five
open
spaces:
three
mixed-use
buildings,
two
institutional
buildings,
one
place
of
worship
and
one
commercial
building
so
of
the
428
residential
418
are
veterans
homes.
So
95
percent
of
the
properties
in
the
study
area
contain
the
original
veterans
houses
built
by
wartime
housing.
Limited
next
slide.
Please.
F
F
Our
timeline,
the
study
began
last
summer
summer
2021
and
it
continued
through
fall
and
winter.
Our
work
included
an
inventory
of
buildings
and
streets,
historical
research
at
libraries
and
archives,
streetscape
analysis
built
form
analysis,
an
online
survey,
an
e-newsletter
and
several
public
information
sessions
and
informal
meetings
next
slide.
Please.
F
So,
towards
the
end
of
the
study,
we
started
the
heritage
analysis
and,
as
part
of
that,
we
looked
at
each
element
that
makes
up
the
subdivision,
as
well
as
the
historical
associations
with
each
of
the
subdivision
components.
This
exercise
included
much
more
than
a
review
of
the
individual
houses
next
slide.
Please.
F
The
second
element
we
found
is
the
area's
direct
association
with
wartime
housing
limited
with
canada,
mortgage
and
housing
corporation,
as
well
as
connections
with
local
governments.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
nepean
and
with
ottawa,
the
third
element
character.
Defining
element
is
the
area's
association
with
ottawa's
postwar
post-war
transition
and
development.
F
F
The
study
findings
outlined
that
the
veterans,
housing
subdivisions
have
cultural
heritage
value
and
they
have
a
very
special
heritage
character,
so
this
character
is
found
in
the
relationship
of
the
subdivision
elements.
So
this
is
the
roadways
parkland
the
buildings
and
the
open
areas
together.
These
elements
contribute
to
a
distinct
sense
of
place
that
reflects
the
identity
of
the
veterans,
housing
subdivisions
and
the
history
of
veterans,
housing
in
ottawa
in
canada,
the
veterans
housing
subdivisions
in
carlington
north
survive
as
legacies
of
the
second
world
war
and
as
markers
in
the
growth
and
development
of
postwar
ottawa.
F
Before
we
go
to
the
next
slide,
I
want
to
take
a
moment
to
thank
our
main
researcher.
Emma
dodens,
who
interned
with
the
project
through
the
young
canada
works
program.
The
history
of
the
subdivisions
is
outlined
in
great
detail
in
the
supporting
material
thanks
to
emma's
skillful
research
and
to
her
writing.
F
B
Everybody
so,
following
the
study
staff
reviewed
multiple
conservation
tools
that
were
enabled
under
both
the
ontario
heritage
act
and
the
official
plan,
as
well
as
options
that
kind
of
fall
outside
that
realm.
So
after
deliberation
and
consider
conversations
with
stakeholders,
we
recommend
a
five-part
strategy
to
recognize
the
veterans
housing
subdivision.
B
B
B
And
eric,
if
you
just
click
it
one
more
time,
actually
there
are
two
points
there
and
one
more
time.
Please
thank
you.
So
recommendation
two
is
to
adopt
the
veterans,
housing,
character,
area
management
guidelines
which
are
contained
in
section
five
of
document
three,
so
the
new,
so
the
function
of
these
guidelines
is
to
encourage
conservation
and
provide
guidance
to
help
manage
change
within
the
area.
B
These
proposed
guidelines
help
to
balance
intensification
with
cultural
heritage
conservation
and
ensuring
that
owners
can
retain
some
of
the
flexibility
to
design
and
build
additions
to
their
homes
that
they
currently
enjoy,
and
next
slide
please.
So.
The
next
few
slides
just
have
some
visualizations,
which
kind
of
help
explain
some
of
the
guidelines.
So
this
image
speaks
to
some
of
our
guidance
around
front
entrances
in
relation
to
new
construction
or
alterations.
B
So
essentially,
through
our
analysis,
we
did
determine
that
there
is
a
very
consistent
ground
floor,
height
and
orientation
of
buildings
towards
the
street.
So
we
have
some
guidance
within
the
guidelines
which
speak
to
front
entrances
remaining
oriented
towards
the
street
and
building
proportions
remaining
consistent,
so
things
like
ground,
floor,
height,
etc.
We
also
speak
to
the
consistency
of
facade
material
across
facades
and
maintaining
some
of
the
simple
character
of
these
buildings
in
both
alterations
and
new
construction
and
next
slide
please.
B
B
So
new
single-attached
dwellings
are
encouraged
to
reflect
the
height
scale
and
massing
of
existing
dwellings.
In
the
character
area
and
new
development
should
also
incorporate
green
front
yards
and
reflect
the
properties
established.
Spatial
relationship
with
the
street
and
next
slide.
Please
so
recommendation
three
is
to
direct
staff
to
undertake
monitoring
for
a
period
of
three
years
and
to
report
back
to
the
bill
heritage
subcommittee
on
the
outcomes
of
the
management
guidelines
associated
with
the
veterans,
housing
character
area.
B
So
monitoring
may
consider
things
such
as
the
bill,
form,
outcomes,
resident
perceptions
and
then
also
staff
perception,
so
that
is
heritage
staff,
but
also
our
colleagues
within
planning
services
building
services
after
the
three
year
period.
We're
intending
to
report
back
to
bill
heritage
subcommittee
on
the
outcomes
of
the
monitoring
period
and
the
results
of
this
monitoring
may
lead
to
further
staff
recommendations
for
changes
to
the
character
area,
guidelines
or
the
adoption
of
new
or
revised
heritage
conservation
strategies
and
next
slide
next
slide.
Please.
B
So
I
do
want
to
speak
briefly
to
why
we
are
not
recommending
an
hcd,
so
staff
look
closely
at
a
number
of
mechanisms,
including
both
heritage
conservation,
districts
and
cultural
heritage,
character
areas.
Both
of
these
tools
recognize
collective
value
and
use
guidelines
to
manage
change
under
the
ontario
heritage
act.
Conservation
districts
are
a
very
well-known
tool.
B
Historic
research
revealed
to
us
that
the
builders
and
the
intentions
of
these
original
homes
were
for
them
to
be
altered
and
grow
over
time
to
meet
the
needs
and
changing
needs
of
residents
in
response
to
the
in
dramatic
housing
requirements
of
the
post-war
period.
So
the
cultural
heritage,
character
area
under
the
official
plan
ensures
that
and
helps
ensure
that
heritage
conservation
and
commemoration
are
integrated
within
planning
processes,
but
also
offers
a
lot
of
flexibility
in
terms
of
permitting
and
working
with
and
managing
change.
B
So
this
is
a
tool
that's
been
used
in
other
areas
of
the
city,
such
as
sandy
hill
and
also
the
village
of
richmond
and
through
its
integration
within
existing
planning
and
development
processes.
We've
seen
some
success
with
examples
of
sensitive
infill
and
compatible
alterations
to
existing
buildings
and
next
slide.
Please.
B
Recommendation
four
is
to
direct
staff
in
consultation
with
the
community
and
the
war
counselor
to
coordinate
the
design
and
installation
of
commemorative
installations
or
interpretive
signage
within
the
character
area.
So
this
may
include
things
like
custom
street
sign,
blades
and
there's
an
example
here
from
new
edinburgh.
So
this
is
a
pretty
common
approach
within
the
city
as
well
as
interpretive
signage
boards,
plaques
or
other
commemorative
installations,
as
suggested
by
the
community
or
staff,
and
next
slide.
B
Please
and
finally,
recommendation
five
is
a
two-part
recommendation,
so
this
is
basically
to
direct
staff
to
look
at
two
properties
which
were
given
some
consideration
throughout
the
study
process.
So,
first
is
to
direct
staff
to
evaluate
one
herald
place
which
is
herald
place
park
for
designation
under
par
four
of
the
ontario
heritage
act.
B
So
harold
place
park
is
a
really
well-known
destination
in
the
veterans,
housing
subdivisions
and
it
was
named
in
memory
of
ernest
william
herald
who
was
a
local
man
who
reported
for
the
ottawa
citizen
in
1913
and
went
overseas
to
serve
in
the
first
world
war.
His
death
coincided
with
the
construction
of
veterans,
housing
product
number
one
and
the
park
was
named
in
his
memory.
The
park
and
the
associated
street
have
a
very
iconic
dog
bone
shape
and
it's
located
right
in
the
heart
of
the
veterans
subdivision.
B
B
The
second
property
is
915
maryville
road,
which
is
currently
the
saint
tecla
heminot
ethiopian
orthodox
church.
This
is
a
church
that
was
originally
designed
by
modernist
architect,
james
strutt,
in
1959,
and
features
a
pretty
iconic
a-frame
form.
So
it's
a
very
recognizable
building
along
maryvale
road
and
staff
identified
it
as
a
building
with
further
consideration
for
designation
through
the
study
process
and
next
slide.
Please,
and
I'm
going
to
pass
it
back
over
to
avery
who's,
going
to
talk
about
some
of
the
policy
frameworks
and
notification.
F
Thank
you,
craig.
The
recommendations
in
this
report
are
consistent
with
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
they
conformed
to
the
city's
previous
official
plan.
Our
council
approved
new
official
plan,
as
well
as
the
maryvale
road
north
community
design
plan.
Various
urban
design
guidelines,
as
well
as
the
high
performance
development
standards.
F
In
addition
to
notices
so
notification,
in
addition
to
notices,
mailed
out
to
owners
and
residents
of
several
to
owners
and
residents,
we
also
did
several
public
information
sessions.
We
also
contacted
heritage
ottawa,
the
carlington
community
association,
the
strut
foundation
and
the
word
counselor
informing
them
of
this
report
and
its
recommendations
next
slide.
Please.
F
So
for
next
steps,
the
report
is
anticipated
at
planning
committee
on
april
28th
and
then
on
then
rises
to
council
for
may
11th.
If
it
were
to
be
approved,
the
guidelines
would
take
immediate
effect.
A
notice
would
be
mailed
to
residents
and
stakeholders,
informing
them
of
the
character
area
and
its
guidelines.
F
F
This
is
our
final
slide
in
closing
the
staff
staff
recommend
the
approval
of
each
of
the
recommendations
in
this
report.
This
would
achieve
the
goals
of
the
study,
the
creation
of
the
veterans,
housing
character
area
and
the
associated
commemoration
strategy
will
ensure
that
the
historical
significance
of
the
veterans,
housing
subdivisions
is
recognized
and
remembered
greg,
and
I
would
be
very
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration
today.
A
A
We
did
receive
correspondence
two
two
letters
of
correspondence
on
this
item,
one
from
a
resident
and
one
also
from
david
fleming,
from
heritage
ottawa,
both
in
support-
and
we
also
have
mr
fleming
listed
as
a
registered
speaker.
So
if
mr
fleming
is
available
and
wants
to
speak
to
this
item,
he
will
have
five
minutes.
G
G
I'll
always
strongly
support
the
need
for
the
creation
of
the
character
area
and
understand
staff's
explanation
for
taking
this
approach.
This
excellent
report
on
the
research
and
extensive
community
consultation
begs
the
question:
why
not
just
propose
the
area's
designation
as
a
heritage
conservation
district
immediately,
rather
than
delaying
it?
G
The
spirit
of
the
city's
new
official
plan
would
certainly
permit
the
establishment
of
an
hcd
based
on
the
work
done
to
date
and
further
delay.
We
fear
might
jeopardize
the
chances
of
such
designation
as
the
various
developmental
aspects
of
the
new
official
plan
are
implemented
and
interpreted
by
planning
tribunal
challenges.
G
A
H
I
Actually
had
a
question,
I
was
very
pleased
to
see
that
the
church
designed
by
james
strut
is
is
being
proposed
for
designation.
And
I
was
just
wondering
if
staff
has
been
in
contact
yet
or
plans
to
be
in
contact
with
the
strut
foundation,
because
they
have
quite
a
quite
a
good
great
presence
in
the
community
and
I'm
sure
they
would
be
very,
very
happy
to
help.
F
Yes,
I
can
confirm
we
contacted
the
strat
foundation
a
while
back
and
we're
very
pleased
to
hear
from
from
them
and
they've
submitted
some
documentation
and
and
information
from
the
archives
as
well
to
support
the
research,
so
so
we're
very
we're.
Looking
forward
to
learning
more
about
the
building.
J
J
There
was
one
line
in
the
report
that
I
think
it's
worth,
highlighting
because
it's
it's
on.
Let's
see
page
page
eight,
I
think
of
the
report
that
in
the
historical
research
staff
determined
or
discovered
that
these
original
homes
were
designed
to
be
altered
and
to
grow
over
time
addressing
both
the
national
housing
crisis
of
the
immediate
post-war
era
and
the
changing
needs
of
area
residents.
E
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
councillor,
gower
and
others
for
your
comments.
Indeed,
it's
been
very
interesting
working
with
staff,
and
you
know,
reading
the
research
I've
had
the
pleasure
to
not
just
serve
this
community
as
a
city
councilor,
but
as
a
school
board.
Trustee
and
and
learn
about
the
history
is
absolutely
fantastic.
E
I'll
start
with
my
question
chair
staff,
in
your
list
of
recommendations,
you
recommend
that
we
monitor
for
three
years,
a
period
of
three
years
and
report
back
listening
to
the
delegation.
That
suggests
perhaps
a
greater,
not
urgency.
That's
not
the
right
word,
but
not
waiting.
Would
staff?
Could
staff
just
explain
the
three-year
recommendation
and
would
it
make
sense
to
perhaps
strike
a
balance,
and
I
still
think
monitoring
is
important,
so
I'm
not
suggesting
we
throw
that
out,
but
would
staff
live
with
something
like
a
two-year
period?
B
So
through
the
chair,
we
settled
on
a
three-year
monitoring
period,
just
because
a
lot
of
associated
planning
policies
within
the
city
are
in
a
period
of
transition.
At
this
point,
we
do
have
a
new
official
plan,
that's
coming
into
place
and
then
also
eventually,
the
new
zoning
by-law
will
be
in
development.
So
we
think
that
the
three-year
period
is
appropriate
just
to
see
how
those
policies
that
are
associated
with
this
begin
to
integrate
within
the
with
with
with
the
veterans,
housing
character
guidelines.
B
So
it's
staff's
position
at
this
point
that
a
three-year
period
is
appropriate
for
that
monitoring.
We
think
it
gives
the
development
community
residents
and
also
our
other
staff
at
the
city
appropriate
amount
of
time
to
begin
to
learn
how
to
engage
with
these
guidelines
and
integrate
them
into
planning
processes.
Okay,.
E
E
I
think
thanks
jerry.
I
think
this
is
an
excellent
example
of
not
just
the
work
that
our
staff
have
done,
but
the
recommendations
that
strike
a
balance
between
recognizing
the
historical
significance
of
of
a
neighborhood
or
a
community,
encouraging
conservation
and
providing
guidelines
to
homeowners
and
and
residents
in
the
area-
and
you
may
say
well
riley.
If
we
don't
designate
this
a
heritage
area,
won't
there
be
rampant,
tear-downs
simply
go
to
this
area.
It's
an
area,
that's
75
years
old
and
the
veteran
houses
still
stand.
E
Some
have
been
altered
as
councillor
gower
just
mentioned,
as
families
expanded,
as
as
new
homeowners
have
moved
in
these
aren't
big
homes,
nine
hundred
thousand
eleven
hundred
square
feet.
They
are
not
big
homes
to
begin
with
lots
of
land,
but
this
isn't
an
area
that
basically
has
been
preserved.
Yes,
there
have
been
some
modifications.
E
This
strikes
the
balance
that
the
community
wanted.
The
community
wanted
that
recognition,
that
this
is
a
historical
district,
but
also
that
gives
homeowners
some
flexibility
on
their
properties
into
their
homes.
So
I
think
this
is
really
the
best
outcome
that
we
could
have
got
through
this
process
so
again
to
staff
who
have
been
engaged
and
to
the
public
who
also
came
out
and
provided
comments.
I
just
think
that
it's
been
75
years,
so
thankfully
we
can
pass
this
and
council
will
pass
this
and
the
area
will
be
acknowledged
for
its
historical
significance.
A
B
Through
the
chair,
we
have
some
basic
a
bit
of
a
basic
framework
for
what
we
want
to
look
at
in
terms
of
evaluation.
So
the
the
built
form
outcomes
that
occur
over
the
next
three
years.
We
want
to
engage
with
residents
again
over
the
next
three
years
as
well
to
get
a
sense
of
resident
perception
and
opinion
on
how
the
guidelines
are
working
and
how
they've
been
implemented,
and
then
also
with
our
colleagues
in
different
city
departments.
A
Thank
you
and
before
we
go
to
barry,
I
did
have
a
question.
I
know
that
barry
wanted
to
have
some
wrap-up
comments,
so
maybe,
if
he
permits
me
I'll,
just
ask
a
quick
question,
or
at
least
allude
to
one
because
vice
I
think,
do
your
question.
The
question
that
vice
chair
quinn
had.
Unfortunately,
obviously
she
gave
regrets
today,
but
she
did
want
staff
to
elaborate
on
the
reasons,
but
why
they
do
not
believe
carlington.
North
veterans,
housing
merits
designation
as
a
heritage
conservation
district
under
the
ontario
heritage
act.
B
A
Much
appreciated
because
I
think
in
these
types
of
scenarios,
as
well
when
a
character
area
studies
are
being
undertaken,
it
might
provide
a
little
bit
more
clarity
to
to
residents,
so
they
have
a
have
a
better
perspective,
ideally
when
they're
dealing
with
members
of
council
or
others
around
these
specific
files.
So
I
I
do
very
much
appreciate
the
fact
that
you'll
look
into
creating
a
little
bit
more
clarification
on
the
website
and
now
to
barry
who's
had
his
hand
raised
for
a
little
while.
H
H
The
third
point
is
just
to
bring
to
our
attention
that
this
is
the
second
step
in
the
recognition
of
mid-century
modern
architecture
in
ottawa.
As
having
heritage
potential,
we
had
our
rarcliff
heritage
conservation
district
designated
several
years
ago,
which
was
the
first
step,
and
I
think
that
we
all
recognize
that
the
city
program
of
work
really
now
has
in
front
of
it
the
investigation
and
evaluation
of
mid-century
modern
architecture
throughout
the
city.
H
The
fourth
and
final
point
is
that,
while
I
really
do
admire
the
research
that
was
done,
I
think
that
there
should
be
a
follow-up
period
of
research
and
writing
and
I
don't
suggest
that
the
staff
do
this,
but
maybe
collaborate
with
the
universities
in
ottawa,
and
that
is
that
this
carlington
veterans,
housing
project
is
very
much
part
of
a
huge
wave
of
post-war
veterans
housing
that
was
built
across
the
country.
I
know
there
was
some
references
to
one
other
city,
but
here
in
ottawa,
for
instance,
in
1948,
canada,
mortgage
and
housing
corporation.
H
Previously,
central
mortgage
and
housing
corporation
built
404
walk
up
apartment
units.
It
was
called
the
man
avenue
project
now
called
strathcorn
heights,
which
the
city
of
ottawa
nonprofit
housing
corporation,
owns
and
manages
in
the
1980s.
I
was
the
master
planner
to
conserve
and
intensify
this
site,
and
I
think
that
referring
to
the
walk-up
apartment
veterans,
housing
projects
in
ottawa
and
also
the
other
ones
across
the
country
will
help
frame
the
context
of
the
value
of
this
heritage
conservation
area.
H
I
think
also
the
future
researchers
should
look
at
what
are
called
the
pmqs.
It's
a
term
that
those
who
were
children
of
of
the
canadian
military
would
recognize
which
I'm
not
by
the
way.
But
these
are
the
the
married
quarters
housing
built
on
canadian
bases
across
the
country
in
the
early
1950s,
these
thousands
and
thousands,
and
they
look
exactly
like
the
the
carlington
houses
and
laid
out
in
the
same
way.
So
I
think
that
there
is
really
room
here
for
helping
ottomans
understand
our
city
and
our
heritage.
H
A
Establishing
this
cultural
heritage,
character
area
and
guidelines
would
help
ensure
the
community's
heritage
value
is
conserved
and
commemorated
as
a
consequence,
I'm
glad
to
support
staff
recommendations
and
would
like
to
thank
staff
once
again
for
their
hard
work
on
this
heritage
study.
Do
any
other
members
have
any
more
comments
on
this
specific
item.
A
A
B
B
B
So
here's
a
photo
that
illustrates
the
existing
conditions
of
the
dwelling,
so
this
property
is
identified
as
a
grade,
one
property
in
the
rocklift
park,
heritage,
conservation
district
and
it's
undergone
several
alterations
over
the
last
10
to
15
years.
As
you
can
see
in
the
front,
there
is
currently
a
fairly
prominent
semi-circular
driveway,
as
well
as
some
mature
vegetation
and
large
hedges
which
surround
the
property
and
next
slide
please
and
then
just
for
some
existing
additional
context.
B
This
is
a
sketch
showing
the
size
of
the
existing
dwelling,
as
well
as
the
existing
semicircular
driveway
in
next
slide.
Please,
and
just
to
help
illustrate
some
of
the
existing
character.
I've
just
highlighted
a
few
of
the
features
of
the
property,
so
the
red
dotted
line
indicates
a
low
flagstone
wall
which
surrounds
the
property
and
within
that
there
are
hedges
which
also
surround
the
property.
So
these
flagstone
walls
are
a
fairly
characteristic
element
of
rocklift
park.
B
So
this
is
the
plan
which
showcases
the
proposed
alterations
and
there's
a
few
key
items
that
are
proposed.
So
first
is
the
construction
of
a
single
story.
Addition
to
the
east
of
the
existing
dwelling.
Second,
is
the
construction
of
a
detached,
two-car
garage.
Further
east
of
the
dwelling
and
third,
is
the
removal
of
the
semi-circular
driveway
and
the
installation
of
a
new
driveway
associated
with
the
proposed
garage.
B
In
addition,
a
new
in-ground
pool
is
proposed
in
the
rear,
as
well
as
internal
walkways
and
new
planting
beds
throughout
the
property.
This
proposal
conforms
to
all
zoning
requirements
for
the
area,
including
block
coverage,
floor
space
index
height
and
front
rear
inside
yard
setbacks.
Therefore,
no
additional
planning
approvals
are
required.
B
However,
building
permits,
as
with
most
projects
of
this
nature,
in
addition
to
a
private
approach
permit
for
the
new
driveway,
will
be
required
next
slide.
Please
so
just
to
highlight
further
and
then
help
illustrate
this
a
little
bit
better.
I've
highlighted
some
of
the
different
things
that
are
happening
on
this
property,
so
the
yellow
areas
highlight
the
new
single
story
edition
and
detach
garage.
B
The
blue
highlights
the
proposed
pool
in
the
rear
and
the
red
circle
highlights
the
location
of
the
former
semicircular
driveway,
which
is
the
is
proposed
to
be
removed
and,
as
I
go
through
the
next
few
slides,
I'm
just
going
to
comment
on
the
flickability
of
the
rocklift
park,
hcd
guidelines
to
this
proposal.
So
next
slide
please.
B
So
this
image
shows
the
illustrated
landscape
plan
two
notes:
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
remove
two
trees
to
permit
the
creation
of
the
new
driveway
and
those
are
highlighted
on
the
plane
there.
In
accordance
with
the
policies
of
the
hcd
plan,
two
replacement
trees
are
proposed,
one
in
the
front
and
one
in
the
rear,
so
landscape
guidelines
in
the
rocklift
park.
Hcd
plan
speak
to
new
buildings,
in
addition
to
respecting
the
heritage,
attributes
of
the
lots,
existing
heart
and
soft
landscape.
B
The
proposed
addition
and
detached
garage
are
designed
to
sit
within
a
green
park-like
landscape,
enhanced
by
the
removal
of
the
existing
semi-circular
driveway
and
the
addition
of
soft
landscaping
throughout
the
front
yard.
The
addition
and
garage
are
further
screened
by
the
existing
low
stone
wall
and
shrubs,
which
are
retained
as
part
of
this
proposal
and
next
slide.
Please.
B
So
this
image
is
a
rendering
of
the
proposal
as
viewed
from
ashbury
road.
As
you
can
see,
the
proposed
single
story
edition
is
subordinate
to
the
existing
dwelling
and
clad
in
a
white
stucco
that
matches
the
dwelling's
primary
material
in
line
with
the
hcd
plan.
The
addition
is
designed
to
be
contemporary
and
of
its
own
time
and
is
set
back
from
the
front
of
the
existing
dwelling.
B
So
this
is
another
angle
from
the
front
of
the
property.
This
highlights
the
enhanced
streetscape
continuity
established
by
the
removal
of
the
semicircular
driveway
and
the
creation
of
new
planting
beds.
The
proposed
planting
reflects
the
informal
park-like
setting
and
characteristics
of
rockcliff
park,
and
the
setback
of
the
garage
reduces
the
visual
impact
to
the
streetscape
of
the
new
structure.
So
from
this
angle,
the
garage
is
actually
not
visible,
as
it's
set
back
further
from
the
new
edition
and
next
slide
please.
B
They
also
help
to
enhance
the
streetscape
continue
with
the
property
and
also
contribute
to
maintaining
and
reflecting
the
park
like
setting
of
the
hcd.
So
next
slide,
please-
and
this
is
just
another
angle
from
the
front
which
showcases
the
relationship
between
the
addition
and
the
garage
as
well
as
some
of
the
landscaping
features
of
the
property
and
next
slide.
B
B
So.
Finally,
this
rendering
shows
the
rear
of
the
property
so
to
the
left
is
the
existing
concrete
deck
which
is
to
be
retained
and
additional
planting
contributes
to
maintaining
a
green
setting
for
the
property.
The
rear
of
the
new
addition
is
clad
in
a
metal
cladding,
which
is
complementary
to
some
of
the
materials
featured
on
the
primary
design
and
next
slide.
Please
so,
just
to
summarize
some
of
the
applicable
policies
within
the
rocklift
park.
B
Hcd
plan
include
the
different
guidelines
for
conservation
and
maintenance,
including
those
related
to
veranda's
porches
canopies,
as
there
is
a
small
canopy
proposed
over
the
central
front
entrance,
which
reflects
a
previous
canopy
that
was
once
on
the
building
7.33
the
various
landscape
guidelines
in
the
hcd
plan
and
then
7.41,
which
speaks
to
alterations
additions
to
existing
buildings,
7.42
for
garages
and
accessory
buildings
and
7.43
for
landscape
guidelines
for
new
buildings
and
editions
and
a
full
chart
which
details.
The
compliance
of
the
proposal
with
that
of
the
hcd
plan
is
included
within
the
report.
B
Next
slide,
please
so,
finally,
just
in
summation
in
relation
to
the
hcd
guidelines,
the
addition
is
complementary
and
subordinate
to
the
existing
dwelling
and
compatible
with
adjacent
dwellings
on
ashby
road.
The
landscape
alterations
enhance
the
character
and
visual
continuity
of
the
streetscape
and
conserve
features
such
as
the
low
stonewall
and
hedges
and
alterations
and
new
structures.
B
Such
as
the
garage
are
sensitively
integrated
to
maintain
the
green
park-like
character
of
the
lot
and
ensure
that
there's
a
dominance
of
soft
landscaping
across
the
property
and
next
slide,
please,
finally,
just
to
reference
the
stands
and
guidelines
standards.
111
are
applicable
here
and
next
slide.
Please
in
terms
of
consultation,
so
the
rocklift
park
residents
association
heritage
committee
was
consulted
with
as
part
of
the
pre-consultation
pilot
program.
The
rpra
heritage
committee
has
noted
concerns
with
the
amount
of
new
hearts
hard
landscaping
associated
with
the
addition
in
the
garage
heritage.
B
B
First
is
to
approve
the
application
for
alterations
to
392
at
ashbury
road,
which
includes
the
construction
of
a
single
story,
edition
and
detached
garage
according
to
plans
submitted
and
dated
february
26
2022,
as
well
as
landscape
alterations
according
to
plan
submitted
on
march
9th
2022
and
then
second
and
third
are
two
standard
recommendations.
So,
first
to
delegate
authority
for
minor
design,
changes
to
planning
staff
and
third
to
issue
the
heritage
permit
with
a
two
year
expiry
date
and
next
slide
please.
B
A
Thank
you
greg
for
that
very
in-depth
presentation.
We
did
receive
four
pieces
of
correspondence
on
this
file
that
provide
both
comments
and
and
one
letter
that
did
register
some
concerns.
We
do
have
a
number
of
registered
speakers,
so
I
don't
know.
Okay
just
was
checking
to
see
with
councillor
brockington
whether
he
had
an
issue
and
procedure.
Probably
not
so
we'll
just
proceed
here
with
our
registered
speakers
and
the
first
registered
speaker
is
scott
hayward
from
simmons
architecture.
J
J
So
I
think
I
think,
the
the
design,
although
it
does
increase
the
built
and
hardscaped
area,
will
appear
actually
quite
sensitive
and
in
keeping
with
the
surrounding
environment
and
streetscape
there's
been
one
letter.
I
just
want
to
correct
one
letter
mentioned
approximately
one-fifth
of
the
current
property
being
hard
or
hardscaped
or
landscaped.
J
I'm
sorry,
hardscaped
or
built
upon,
and
you
mentioned,
the
increase
was
going
to
go
to
four
fifths.
That
is
a
is
not
a
correct
number
between
the
existing
design
as
currently
found
on
site
and
our
proposed
design.
There's
an
increase
of
about
15
percent
in
hard
landscaping
and
and
the
built
roof
escape
so
to
speak,
and
that
also
includes
the
pool.
So
we've
tried
to
and
that's
sort
of
that's
the
overall
property
plus
the
strip
of
city
property
along
the
street.
J
J
However,
at
the
time
of
submitting,
we
had
not
heard
any
comments
back
from
them,
so
the
comments
that
we
did
receive
after
we
would
love
to
have
had
the
opportunity
to
to
review
with
them,
but
couldn't
because
of
the
the
lateness
of
the
response.
That's
pretty
well
it.
I
think
thanks
a
lot.
Everyone.
E
J
J
I
would
propose
going
on
to
the
site,
with
the
survey
reviewing
exactly
where
the
property
stakes
are,
and
if
the
property
line
does
carry
over
the
existing
stone
wall,
then
I
would
propose
to
move
the
fence
on
to
the
inside
face
of
that
stone
wall
that
existing
stone
wall.
So
right
now,
there's
stonewall,
it's
sort
of
hidden
behind
a
whole
row
of
cedar
hedges,
which
are
probably
about
10
feet
high.
So
I
would
locate
the
proposed
fence
between
the
two
of
them
and
not
to
the
outside
of
the
stone
wall.
A
K
A
G
G
A
C
Good
good
morning,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
address
the
committee
this
morning.
I'm
the
owner
of
383
maple
lane,
which
shares
a
boundary
with
the
applicant's
property
of
392
ashby
road
on
reviewing
the
plans
following
the
notice
provided
to
us
on
the
29th
of
march
by
the
heritage
subcommittee.
It
was
apparent
that
a
significant
section
of
the
proposed
five-foot
eye
offense
pulse
round,
has
been
mistakenly
located
for
construction
on
our
property.
C
All
survey
pins
were
photographed
at
that
point
in
time
and
then,
following
the
survey
we
constructed
a
fence
within
our
property.
The
fence
was
located
away
from
the
shared
wall,
which
is
the
boundary
between
the
two
properties
to
allow
access
for
the
maintenance
of
shared
load,
stonewall,
boundary
and
defense
without
the
requirement
to
access
the
adjacent
property.
C
C
Additionally,
the
landscape
plan
provided
emits
a
mature
tree
located
on
the
boundary
between
our
two
properties.
The
mature
tree
on
the
shared
boundary
straddles
the
boundary
and
has
been
maintained
and
pruned
in
consultation
between
ourselves
and
the
previous
owners
of
392
maple
lane
over
the
years.
C
We
do
not
agree
to
the
felling
of
this
tree
and
require
the
landscape
plan
to
be
adjusted
in
2012
2021.
When
the
applicants
moved
in
onto
the
property,
we
spoke
with
them
and
explained
that
the
war
was
the
shared
boundary
and
that
our
fence
had
been
constructed
within
our
property
and
did
not
represent
that
boundary.
The
current.
C
Need
to
be
adjusted
to
move
the
iron
fence
onto
the
applicant's
property
and
to
ensure
the
survival
of
our
existing
tree.
A
more
fulsome
response
with
photographs
and
plans
was
submitted
to
the
heritage
subcommittee
on
april.
The
4th,
and
basically
this
is
just
a
a
verbal
statement
to
follow
what
councillor
brockington
has
already
mentioned,
that
the
fence
will
need
to
be
moved
onto
the
actual
applicant's
property
rather
than
ourselves.
A
I
This
development
includes
a
large
addition
which
doubles
the
floor
footprint
of
the
current
home.
It
adds
a
new
two-car
garage,
a
pool,
a
pool
house
and
a
concrete
pool
deck
and
several
other
paved
areas
and
pathways.
It
also
includes
a
new
driveway,
although
this
element
has
been
mitigated
by
the
removal
of
the
existing
circular
driveway.
I
This
application
takes
a
grade,
one
property,
where
structure
and
hardscape
currently
occupy
roughly
one-fifth
of
the
lot
to
a
proposed
design
where
structure
and
hardscape
would
dominate
roughly
four-fifths
of
the
lot.
I
ask
that
the
landscape
plan
be
put
up
and-
and
this
can
be
more
easily
demonstrated
by
seeing
the
landscape
plan.
I
don't
know
if
that's
possible,
but.
I
I
Section
7.3.31
in
this
case
soft
landscaping
no
longer
dominates
the
property,
and
this
is
important
not
only
from
the
streetscape
but
all
of
our
property.
Thank
you,
so
you,
you
would
be
able
to
see
there
that
the
footprint
is
double.
The
addition
appears
on
the
the
right
hand,
side
and
then
the
entire
right
hand.
Side
of
the
lot
is
dominated
by
a
structure
or
hardscape,
including
the
the
concrete
existing
pad
and
and
walkways.
I
I
wanted
to
say
that
the
hardscape,
the
dominance
of
hardscape
and
and
structure
on
this
property
was
noted
in
previous
comments
with
heritage
staff
and
from
the
rc
rpra
heritage
committee,
and
during
our
our
comments,
we
had
asked
that
throughout
the
property,
the
the
hardscape
and
build
structure
be
reduced
throughout
the
property.
So
it
is
appreciated
that
the
hard
the
circular
driveway
was
removed.
However,
that
does
not
accomplish
further
hardscape
reduction
throughout
the
the
property.
I
I
would
like
to
mention
that
we
did
have
various
conversations
back
and
forth
between
the
city
and
ourselves
and,
and
this
remained
something
that
we
were
not
able
to
to
agree
on.
There
is
significant
softscape
that
has
been
added.
However,
it
doesn't
change
the
amount
of
hardscape
that
is
has
been
added
to
this
property.
It
merely
softens
it.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
and
I
welcome
any
questions
you
might
have.
Thank
you.
A
I
Thank
you.
I
thank
you.
Sharon
through
you
chair
michelle.
Did
you
have
a
concern
with
the
amount
of
hardscaping
or
the
mitigation
and
the
screening
of
it
from
the
street
because
from
the
landscape
plan
they
are,
they
do
seem
to
be
really
making
a
solid
effort
to
mitigate
the
impact
from
this
street,
and
I'm
just
looking
on
street
view
now
like
yeah.
I
I
I
So
the
fact
that-
and
it's
not
just
from
the
streetscape
but
from
the
entire
property,
so
that
would
include
neighboring
properties
looking
into
the
backyard
and
what
their
experience
is
also
as
they're
they're
they're
living
in
the
neighborhood.
So
the
streetscape
isn't
the
only
thing
that
that's
important.
A
I
A
And
I
don't
see
any
hands
raised,
but
based
on
some
of
the
discussions
that
I
was
holding
in
capacity
as
ward
counselor
with
the
residents
association,
I
do
want
to
ask
for
staff
comments.
Basically
referencing
paul
c731
landscape
guidelines,
clause,
1
of
the
heritage
conservation
plan,
and
we
know
that
it
says
in
in
that
policy
that
soft
landscaping
should
dominate
the
property.
So
I'm
just
wondering
what
proportion
of
the
property
should
be
softscaped
you
know.
Are
there
specific
quantitative
specifications
that
speak
to
this.
B
B
Essentially,
it
is
a
contextual
assessment
based
on
the
character
of
the
property,
the
size
of
the
property
and
the
different
landscape
elements
associated
with
that
property,
and
it's
staff's
opinion
that
this
proposal
is
consistent
with
this
guideline
and
that's
primarily
achieved
through
one.
The
removal
that
a
semicircular
driveway
and
the
reintegration
of
a
more
more
consistent
streetscape
across
the
front
of
the
property,
but
also
through
the
integration
of
different
plant
beds
and
other
soft
landscaping
throughout
the
property.
A
Okay,
so
staff
comments
concerning
the
pathways
and
driveways
include
that
porous
or
permeable
paving
materials
such
as
turf
stone
would
be
preferable
to
impervious
flagstones,
concrete
slabs
or
asphalt
paving
do
the
attributes
of
materials
used
for
pathways
and
driveways
factor
into
the
proportion
of
hardscape
versus
softscape
discussion?
So,
in
other
words,
do
permeable,
paving
materials
constitute
softscaping.
B
A
Okay
and
a
staff
has
said
that
adding
plantings
at
the
edge
of
hardscape,
somehow
alleviates
the
amount
of
of
of
hardscape,
or
is
it
that
added
plantings
ultimately
enhance
the
established
landscape.
Character
of
the
streetscape
per
se,
contributes
to
soft
landscaping
in
front
yards
or
enhances
the
public
facing
landscaping
to
further
contribute
to
the
park
like
landscape
character
per
policy.
A
C
A
I
would
appreciate
that,
because,
based
on
the
conversations
that
I've
had
before
there,
there
isn't
that
uniformity
in
terms
of
interpretation,
and
I
think
that
that's
absolutely
important
as
we
go
forward
with
the
residents
association
and
their
discussions
on
files,
I
think
there
needs
to
be
clarity
around
hardscape
and
softscape,
so
I
I
would
definitely
appreciate
a
continued
dialogue
on
this
specific
element
of
of
the
plan
with
the
community
I'll
leave
it.
I
think
I
will
leave
it
there.
C
Thanks
to
king,
I
was
just
gonna
mention
that
the
plan
itself
is
is
a
qualitative
document.
It's
not
quantitative
in
the
sense
of
the
zoning
bylaw,
providing
those
hard
detailed
numbers
like
something
like
law
coverage
per
se
and
the
hdd
plan.
An
hp
plan
will
likely
never
provide
that
kind
of
quantitative
direction.
So
we
can.
C
We
can
work
within
the
framework
of
that
conversation
for
sure,
but,
for
example,
this
property
and
greg
will
can
speak
to
the
numbers,
but
for
the
zoning
viola
I
think
the
lot
coverage
is
about
the
maximum
would
be
33
and
what
the
applicant
is
proposing
is
around
21
1.
So
there
is
a
a
number
that
can
be
applied
through
the
zoning
viola,
but
it
like
great
delicately
described
using
the
htd
plan.
It's
it's
a
qualitative
assessment.
A
K
I
think
sheriff
I
just
I'm
curious
on
this
one.
I
I
don't
recall
I
mean
the
auto
build
heritage.
Advisory
committee
was
seemingly
so
long
ago,
but
did
this
building
come
up
at
oppac
before
I
came
up
and
noticed
reading
the
heritage
survey
prepared
by
heather
pro
and
there's
a
significant
difference
between
the
building
as
it
stood
in
2010?
That's
what
we're
talking
about
today.
K
C
Thank
you
for
you,
chair
and
counselor
moffat.
That
great
summary
is
about
all
the
details
that
that
I
have
as
well.
It
hasn't
come
in
front
of
committee,
I
would
say
in
the
past
eight
to
ten
years-
and
I
don't
know
if
it
did
before
that
and
I
think
greg's
correct
that
some
work
did
happen
without
a
heritage
permit
in
the
past
and
there's
been
been
some
alterations,
including
the
ones
that
you
noted.
K
Yeah,
it
just
seems
that
they,
they
just
predate
the
the
existence
of
our
committee
in
2012..
It
was
just
a
curiosity.
I
mean
the
the
application
in
front
of
us,
obviously
with
the
removal
of
the
semi-circle
driveway
and
a
reinstatement
of
what
the
front
ski
the
front.
Landscaping
was.
Obviously
it's
it's
a
big
change
with
the
with
the
hardscaping
and
the
addition,
but,
as
was
noted
by
greg,
it's
permitted
with
the
zoning.
So
no,
I
was
just
curious
about
that.
I
think
it's.
K
This
is
not
the
same
building
that
was
built
in
1950.
It's
not
the
same
building
that
was
altered
in
19
in
the
1980s
and
it's
it's
not
the
same
building
that
was
altered
just
over
10
years
ago.
So
there's
been
big
changes
to
this
to
this
property
over
the
years,
but
I
think
what
we're
seeing
now,
at
least
on
the
streetscape
side,
is
an
improvement
on
what
was
done
just
10
years
ago.
Thanks
ann
thanks,
greg.
A
H
Yes,
at
sure,
king
just
three
short
points.
The
first
is
a
reminder
to
the
public,
and
my
colleagues
here
on
the
committee
and
staff
that
this
building
constructed
in
1950,
albeit
having
changed,
is
of
the
same
vintage
as
the
north
carlington
heritage
conservation
area
that
we
just
saw
on
the
last
agenda
item
and
it's
worth
reflecting
on
the
conditions
at
that
time
in
the
late
40s
and
50s
that
had
veterans
housing
built
on
carling
avenue
and
new
houses,
a
modest
size
built
in
the
privileged
area
of
rockcliff.
H
H
H
It's
not
a
this
is
a
compliment
to
the
architect's
work,
but
I
think
that
the
character
of
the
building
additions
that
you
see
really
precede
the
design
of
what
we
have
as
the
as
the
home
here,
and
I
think
that
it's
worth
rethinking
for
public
education
purposes,
the
use
of
the
term
in
its
own
time.
So
with
that
comment,
I
will
support
the
application.
Thank
you.
C
I
I
I
A
A
So
I
I
think
that
that
does
warrant
more
discussion
and
I'm
pleased
that
staff
has
committed
to
ensure
that
it
does
have
a
continuing
dialogue
with
the
community
association
so
that
we
can
get
towards
a
clearer
delineation
of
those
those
definitions
and
ideally
even
amounts.
So
I
I'm
pleased
that
we
will
ensure
that
there
will
be
those
dialogues.
But
despite
that,
as
I
said
I'll
I'll
hesitantly
support
this
report,
so
is
the
report
carried
carried
all.
I
A
This
report
is
scheduled
to
be
presented
to
council
and
council
on
april
27th.
The
third
item
is
the
heritage
register
annual
report
2021..
There
is
no
presentation
on
this
item,
but
we
have
received
a
correspondence
from
khabir
udin
khabar
and
there
is
a
speaker
registered
on
their
behalf.
Katano
aidan,
so
I
don't
know
if
our
registered
speaker
is
with
us,
but
they
have
five
minutes
to
address.
The
subcommittee
on
this
item.
A
C
C
A
C
K
So
it
seems
wildly
over
the
top
to
go
out
and
seek
legal
counsel
to
review
such
a
matter
and
ask
for
a
deferral
or
a
delay
in
the
proceedings.
So
by
all
means.
You
have
the
opportunity
today
right
now
to
talk
to
us
about
why
you
think
this
building
this
property
there's
more
than
one
shouldn't,
be
on
the
heritage
register.
C
A
So
we
have
a
specific
process
and,
as
a
councilor
moffat
had
had
noted,
this
would
be
the
opportunity
for
the
the
resident
with
the
property
that
is
proposed
to
be
placed
on
the
heritage
register.
To
speak,
to
the
merits
of
that,
and
so
at
this
point,
if
there
are
no
other
questions
I'll,
thank
you
for
your
for
your
submission.
C
A
E
F
Hello,
yes,
I
can
answer
that
speak
to
that,
so
the
property,
the
subject
property
at
160
metcalf,
is
already
listed
on
the
heritage
register
and
the
speaker
was
referring
to
the
owner's
request
to
remove
it.
So
we've
received
a
request
from
the
owner
to
remove
our
team.
We
looked
at
the
property
and
looked
at
its
cultural
heritage
value
and
we
looked
at
the
attributes
visible
on
the
exterior
of
the
building.
F
So
it's
an
annual
process
phone
conversations
with
the
owners
suggest
to
me
that
they
are
looking
at
potential
demolition
down
the
road,
and
so
we've
spoken
about
that
and
the
process
to
do
so
as
councilor
moffat
mentioned,
is
our
60-day
process,
so
that
would
be
filling
out
an
online
form
or
we
can
work
out
a
mailed
form
and
submitting
notice
of
intent
to
demolish,
and
then
we
would
go
through
the
procedures
in
place
for
that
at
that
time.
Okay,.
E
I'm
just
trying
to
save
some
time.
So
how
can
the
subcommittee
today
approve
the
report
before
us,
but
stick
our
foot
in
the
door
and
allow
due
process
to
happen
where
the
property
owner
can
receive
legal
counsel
and
not
make
them
wait
an
extra
year
to
have
an
application
heard,
meaning
proceed
with
what
the
staff
are
recommending
today,
but
also
providing
an
opportunity
within
a
reasonable
time
frame
to
deal
with
what
we
just
heard
today,
I'm
wondering
if
you
or
our
own
legal
counsel
could
comment
on
that
possibility.
C
C
E
Okay,
ms
edna,
my
my
last
question
to
you
is
we
heard
from
the
delegate
that
they
do
want
legal
counsel
to
review
the
matter
and
are
basically
asking
for,
like
I
said,
some
sort
of
window
or
opportunity
to
revisit
this
and
not
have
to
wait
a
whole
year?
Is
that
a
fair
request,
or
do
you
believe
we
can
still
move
forward
and
deal
with
them
separately?.
C
C
E
E
Have
further
discussion
on
this
matter
before
it
comes
to
council,
I
just
want
to
see
whether
there's
any
additional
progress
on
this
file,
whether
the
owner
was
able
to
get
legal
counsel
and
have
made
some
sort
of
decision
before
it
comes
to
council.
I
think,
rather
than
hold
things
up
today,
that
would
be
the
best
thing
for
me.
If
staff
could
just
agree
to
reach
out
and
see
if
they
could
have
any
further
discussion.
A
I
would
agree
and
support
that
just
in
terms
of
process,
I
was
just
a
little
concerned
when
I
was
hearing
about
you
know
the
the
lack
of
understanding
about
the
process
and
how
that
impacted
the
timeline.
So
I
would
agree.
I
don't
think
that
we
would
want
to
inhibit
the
the
movement
of
what's
before
us
today,
but
we
would
obviously
want
to
encourage
staff
to
reach
out
to
that
resident
and
and
make
inquiries
fair.
D
D
F
D
Okay,
so
we're
looking
at
two
years
later,
so
I'm
I'm
not
sure
why.
Today,
as
as
committee
was
subcommittee,
was
approaching,
there
wasn't
adequate
time
to
get
legal
counsel.
I
guess
I'm
not
asking
you
that
it's
my
opinion.
You
know
it's
this.
This
has
been
a
long-standing
issue.
This
property
has
been
included
on
the
registry
for
good
reason.
We've
all
approved
it
and
I
really
don't
see
any
good
reason
to
to
even
bookmark
it.
I
mean
here's.
My
here's.
D
My
point
is
that
if,
if
the
owner
feels
that
he
has
legal
recourse
to
remove
this
property
outside
of
our
process,
because
what
we're
dealing
with
this
morning
and
at
committee
and
council
is
our
process,
so
if
this
owner
feels
that
he
has
legal
recourse
and
this
because
I'm
asking
our
legal
department
this,
that
would
happen
outside
of
we're
not
going
to
make
a
decision
based
on
somebody
else's
legal
advice,
I'm
guessing
that
would
be
a
process
outside
of
subcommittee
committee
and
council.
Is
that
not
correct
that.
C
Is
correct,
chair
there
is
nothing
in
this
report
today
or
committee's
committee's
recommendation
that
changes
or
alters
this
particular
property.
Today
it
is
already
listed
on
the
register.
Staff
have
made
the
decision
not
to
remove
it,
but
committee's
decision
today
doesn't
change
anything
for
this
property
owner
at
this
time,
and
there
is
time
for
them
to
consult
with
their
legal
counsel
and
take
whichever
action
they
so
choose.
Based
on
that
advice,.
D
Okay,
so
just
just
for
clarity
then,
for
for
my
colleagues
on
this,
this
subcommittee
is
that
that
decision
was
made.
It's
been
contested.
It's
been
contested
again
today,
fair
enough,
that's
what
that's
people
have
have
the
right
to,
but
there's
no
there's.
No,
nothing
would
change
in
terms
of
staff's
recommendation
to
us,
based
on
there's
proper
legal
counsel.
D
Addressing
this.
This
subcommittee,
as
as
councilor
moffitt
pointed
out.
This
is
not
we're,
not
a
a
court.
We
are
a
subcommittee
and
and
dealing
with
staff's
recommendations.
So
just
on
that,
I
I
will
leave
it
and
say
that
I
I
support
the
staff
recommendation
as
it
stands.
Thank
you
that
is
correct.
Mr.
C
K
Thanks
and
just
to
build
on
what
councilman
mckinney
was
referring
to
and-
and
speaking
of,
I
heard
the
the
reference
to
asking
staff
to
do
more
work.
I
would
I
would
like
that,
if
that's
going
to
come
forward,
that's
the
direction
I
want.
I
want
to
vote
on
that.
I
don't
want
to
waste
staff's
time
on
this
anymore.
If
we
have
submissions
from
this
applicant,
we
have
a
letter
going
back
to
2020
october
2020
that
even
references
their
legal
counsel
at
that
time.
K
This
is
not
a
property
owner
that
hasn't
sought
legal
advice
about
this
property
before
they
have
done
so
when
we
added
this
property
to
the
register.
This
is
in
that
same
letter.
They
refer
to
a
conversation
with
counselor
diane
holmes
in
2005,
about
the
heritage
value
of
the
property
and
about
the
potential
for
heritage
designation
in
the
future.
K
That's
what
this
committee
should
be
looking
at,
because
there's
this
building
there's
the
one
next
to
it:
162
they're,
surrounded
by
redevelopment,
make
no
mistake:
the
owner
of
this
property
wants
to
tear
this
building
down
and
take
advantage
of
the
opportunity
that
exists
on
that
property
and
likely
the
property
next
to
it,
162.
Whoever
owns
that
maybe
the
same
person,
but
I
don't.
I
don't
agree
that
staff
should
waste
more
time
on
this
on
this
property.
K
A
Thank
you,
councillor,
moffitt,
and
just
going
back
and
forth
here
with
councillor
brockington.
I
know
that
you
had
expressed
the
desire
for
a
direction
and
my
understanding
was
that
was
a
an
issue
of
procedure
of
process
without
the
historical
file
in
front
of
us.
So
so
there
was
a
bit
of
a
challenge
for
myself,
not
realizing
the
history
behind
this,
but
noting
that
we
do
have
a
process
in
place
and
noting
that
this
isn't
probably
an
issue
of
time.
E
E
I
think
that
should
be
respected.
So
all
I'm
asking
is
that
our
staff
simply
reach
out
to
this
person
before
the
city
council
meeting
and
give
us
an
email,
update
or
memo
before
that
council
meeting.
So
I
don't
think
this
is
a
huge
investment
of
staff's
time.
I
do
recognize,
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
to
date
and
maybe
we're
going
around
the
mulberry
bush
here,
but
I
just
think
that
that
process
should
be
respected,
so
I'm
not
asking
for
it
to
be
voted
on.
A
A
You
know
to
come
to
us
and
it
sounds
as
if
this
is
a
last-minute
issue
when
it
obviously
was
not
so
I'm
not
seeking,
obviously
formal
direction,
and
I'm
just
pleased
if
we
move
forward
with
consideration
of
the
report
before
us.
So
there's
a
little
bit
more
discussion
than
I
had
expected
on
on
this
item.
Is
this
report
carried
all
right.
F
A
This
report
is
scheduled
to
be
presented
to
council
on
april
27th.
The
next
item
is
heritage
permits
issued
through
delegated
authority
2021.
There
is
no
presentation
on
this
item.
We
did
not
receive
any
correspondence.
There
are
no
speakers
registered.
Does
the
committee
have
any
questions
for
staff?
A
Seeing
no
questions
and
probably
no
comments
is
the
report
carried
carrie
excellent.
Thank
you.
This
report
is
scheduled
to
be
presented
to
planning
committee
on
april
28th.
The
next
item
comes
from
the
office
of
the
city
clerk
and
it's
the
status
update
for
built
heritage,
subcommittee,
inquiries
and
motions
for
the
period
ending
march
30th
2022..
A
A
A
Seeing
none
under
other
business,
there
is
a
planning
circulation
on
the
agenda
which
was
distributed
to
members
prior
to
the
meeting.
Members
of
the
public
have
the
opportunity
to
comment
through
devops
on
ottawa.ca
and
an
ontario
heritage
act.
Application
would
be
considered
at
a
later
date
and
that
planning
circulation
deals
with
wilbrod
street.