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A
Okay,
so
we
haven't
received
any
regret,
so
we'll
look
forward
to
seeing
and
one
it
just
walked
in
there.
Our
colleagues,
which
is
wonderful,
any
declarations
of
interest,
none,
wonderful
confirmation
of
minutes
from
our
meeting
on
a
12th
of
April
postcode
great.
So
we
have
two
substantive
items
before
us:
we're
going
to
start
with
and
we're
going
to
hold
both
of
them
because
we're
going
to
have
stock
presentations-
and
we
have
speakers
for
our
second
item.
A
B
Good
morning
mr.
chair
members
of
the
committee,
unfortunately
McKenzie
Kim
wasn't
able
to
be
here
for
health
reasons
today,
so
I'm
going
to
present
on
her
behalf.
So
the
item
before
you
is
a
request
for
designation
under
part
four
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
It
pertains
to
the
property
at
eight
to
ten
wavy
grey
Drive
known
as
the
Ottawa
rowing
club.
B
The
property
is
located
at
the
northern
tip
of
Lower
Town
along
the
shoreline
of
the
Ottawa
River.
The
property
is
bordered
by
the
Macdonald
car
che
bridge
Sussex,
Drive
and
accessed
by
lady
gray,
drive
for
the
benefit
of
members
of
the
public
or
members
of
the
committee
who
may
not
be
familiar
with
the
site.
You
can
see
on
the
screen
that
there
are
two
boathouse
buildings
on
the
site.
B
However,
the
designation
excludes
the
later
boat
house
built
in
1985,
just
seen
at
the
top
I'll,
also
just
flag
for
the
committee
that
there
is
a
somewhat
complex
ownership
situation
at
the
site.
As
you
can
see
on
the
map,
the
boat
house
is
located
at
the
corner
of
four
different
parcels,
two
of
which
I
owned
by
the
city
in
yellow
and
two
of
which
are
owned
by
the
NCC
in
red,
which
doesn't
look
who
red,
but
it
is
that
I
assure
you
and
least
to
the
city
on
a
long-term
lease.
B
B
The
Ottawa
rowing
club
boathouse
was
constructed
around
1898
to
replace
a
floating
wooden
structure
that
was
anchored
at
the
foot
of
the
Rideau
Canal
near
the
show
Jer
Falls.
When
the
floating
boat
house
was
damaged
in
1887,
the
club
discussed,
establishing
a
more
permanent
location
and
in
1898
the
club
was
constructed
in
its
current
location.
B
The
Ottawa
rowing
club
boathouse
can
be
seen
in
this
lovely
postcard
image
from
an
undetermined
date.
Here
are
some
close-up
images
of
the
building
in
its
current
state.
The
original
form
continues
to
be
articulated.
Other
original
architectural
elements
include
the
six
over
one
sash
windows
and
the
nine
pane
circular
windows
in
the
gables
and
it's
broken
gamble,
roof
form,
which
is
quite
unique,
looking
east
toward
the
McDonnell
Koch
a
bridge,
although
not
the
original
cladding,
the
existing
horizontal
wood,
siding
and
cedar
shingles
are
generally
sympathetic
to
the
building's
original
character.
This
photo
is
looking
west.
B
You
can
make
out
the
Alexandra
bridge
in
the
background,
it's
hard
to
believe
these
photos
were
taken
only
a
couple
weeks
ago,
maybe
a
month
or
so
ago,
by
McKenzie,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
the
ice
is
now
gone.
Thankfully,
and
although
the
building
has
undergone
some
modifications
over
the
years,
the
original
exposed
wood
beams
in
prominent
within
the
interior
and
our
character-defining
heritage
attribute
of
the
building
views
of
Parliament
Hill
can
be
enjoyed
from
the
Western
staircase
adjacent
to
the
building.
B
That's
what
we,
the
official
plan
states
that
individual
buildings
structures
sites
and
cultural
heritage
landscapes
will
be
designated
as
properties
of
cultural
heritage
value
under
part
4
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
The
provincial
policy
statement
also
provides
strong
direction
for
the
conservation
of
heritage
resources
and
significant
cultural
heritage
landscapes.
B
The
Official
Plan
also
states
that
the
city
as
the
owner
of
many
cultural
heritage
resources,
will
set
an
example
of
conservation
leadership
by
designating
certain
properties
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
section
29
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
gives
municipalities
the
ability
to
designate
properties
of
cultural
heritage
value
under
part
4.
In
order
to
do
so,
properties
must
meet
Ontario
regulation,
Oh
906.
B
The
Ottawa
rowing
club
boathouse
has
design
value
as
a
rare
example
of
19th
century
recreational
architecture
in
Ottawa
constructed
circa
1898.
The
building
has
several
unique
architectural
features,
including
its
broken
Graham
gamble
roof
and
it's
open
beam
ceilings
on
the
interior.
As
mentioned
earlier,
the
building
has
a
high
degree
of
architectural
integrity
with
many
of
its
original
features
intact,
including
its
six
over
one
sash
windows
and
the
nine
pane
circular
windows.
B
Seen
in
the
gables,
the
Ottawa
rowing
club
boathouse
has
historical
value
as
a
symbol
of
the
development
of
organized
rowing
in
Canada,
the
Ottawa
rowing
club
was
the
first
rowing
club
in
Ottawa
and
one
of
the
first
in
central
Canada.
The
boathouse
stands
as
an
artifact
of
late
19th
century
middle-class
leisure
activities,
as
clubs
of
this
kind
were
popular
in
the
years
before
widespread
car
ownership,
as
they
would
allow
their
members
to
pursue
healthy
outdoor
activities
without
leaving
the
city.
B
Additionally,
many
of
the
club's
members
were
influential
in
Ottawa
history,
including
Canada's,
first
Prime
Minister,
Sir
John,
a
McDonald
who
was
the
club's
first
president
Robert
Lyon
and
Allan
gimel
Gilmore,
who
were
the
club's
first
vice
presidents,
and
also
Philip
D
Ross
owner
the
Ottawa
Journal
and
subsequent
president
of
the
club.
Ross
was
part
of
the
committee
responsible
for
arranging
the
purchase
of
the
both
boat
houses,
permanent
location
at
its
current
site.
B
The
Ottawa
rowing
club
boathouse
is
contextual
value
in
its
setting
along
the
Ottawa
River
accessed
by
Lady
Grey
drive,
Lady
Grey
drive
is
also
part
of
the
scenic
Parkway
and
driveway
network.
That
was
an
early
project
of
the
Ottawa
Improvement
Commission
to
beautify
the
capital.
This
section
was
originally
intended
to
provide
a
seamless
connection
between
brito
Hall
and
Parliament
Hill.
The
boat
houses
location
is
visible
from
macdonald
koch,
a
bridge
from
Gatineau
and
also
from
Parliament
Hill.
The
building
is
integrally
linked
to
its
location,
being
integrated
into
the
foot
of
the
cliff
facing
the
river.
B
Consultation
associated
with
this
designation
process
has
included
discussions
with
the
National
Capital
Commission
other
departments
within
the
city.
The
Ottawa
rowing
club,
councillor,
flurry
and
Heritage
Ottawa
all
have
either
expressed
support
for
the
designation
or
have
indicated
no
concern
at
this
time.
The
Lower
Town
Community
Association
has
been
notified,
but
I
do
not
have
a
response
from
them
at
this
time.
In
conclusion,
the
Ottawa
rowing
club
boathouse
meets
all
these
criteria
of
Ontario
regulation.
Oh
nine,
oh
six
and
the
right
of
way
heritage
and
urban
design.
B
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation
that
was
very
thorough.
Any
questions
from
members
yeah
well
I
know
the
building
well
I've
been
inside
its
set
of
lis
on
the
inside,
as
well
as
the
important
heritage
assets
that
you
mentioned
in
the
presentation.
So
seeing
no
objection
and
no
need
for
questions
or
comments.
Is
this
item
code
great,
thank
you
and
thank
you
to
staff
for
the
work
leading
to
this.
A
So
we'll
move
on
to
our
next
item,
which
is
in
application
for
demolition
and
new
construction
at
443
and
447
Kent,
Street
and
alteration
at
4:00
to
3:45,
McLeod,
Street
properties
located
in
the
center
town,
Heritage
Conservation,
District
designated
under
part
five
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
So
we're
going
to
ask
staff
to
introduce
the
item
and
then
we
have
a
list
of
speakers.
C
All
three
properties
are
located
within
the
center
town,
Hirsch
Conservation
District
are
designated
under
part
five
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
The
district
was
designated
in
1997
for
its
value
as
a
surviving
residential
community.
An
informal
meeting
ground
associated
with
Parliament
Hill
its
occupants
had
an
immense
impact
on
the
development
of
Canada.
As
a
nation,
the
site
includes
a
semi-detached
house
along
the
cloud
street
and
two
front
Gable
houses
on
Kent
Street,
the
two
funky
two
houses
were
constructed
around
1900
during
a
period
of
rapid
growth
and
center
town.
C
This
type
of
front
Gable
balloon
frame
would
cloud
structures
were
an
extremely
common
building
type
across
Center
town
as
part
of
a
1995
study
for
the
Senate
Senate
town
here,
Conservation
District,
these
two
buildings
were
described
as
Manya
examples
of
turned
the
century.
Residential
buildings
were
classified
as
category
two
buildings.
The
lower
image
shows
the
semi-detached
building
from
the
side,
and
there
too
late
additions
went
from
the
1960s.
C
Here's
the
front
of
the
semi-detached
house
on
MacLeod
Street.
The
building
was
constructed
around
the
turn
of
the
century.
It
features
red
brick,
a
wooden,
cornice,
brick
stream
course
with
boudoirs
front
porch,
Xcel's
exposed
stone,
foundation
and
decorative
chimney
as
part
of
this
development
proposal
as
pointless
develop
proposal,
the
semi-detached
building
will
be
retained,
restored
and
integrated
into
the
new
building.
The
1997
certain
hedge
conservation
district
plan
has
guidelines
regarding
a
conservation
and
restoration
of
residential
heritage
properties.
C
C
Pending
the
completion
of
a
new
hedge
conservation
district
plan,
the
buildings
at
four
four
six,
five,
four
three
and
four
four
seven
Kench
were
viewed
in
a
current
state
in
context
and
against
the
conservation.
A
restoration
policy
from
the
1997
plan
staff
concluded
that
the
contribution
to
the
character,
the
huge
Conservation
District,
was
limited
because
of
the
lack
of
architectural
and
a
contextual
value
and
the
low
integrity
due
to
significant
alterations,
and
that
there
would
be
thus
no
objection
to
the
removal
given
their
limited
cultural
heritage,
value.
C
C
The
new
building
would
be
clad
in
red
brick
and
attributed
the
hedge
conservation
district.
Other
materials
include
gray,
aluminum
panels
on
the
fourth
floor
and
stone
around
the
entrance
and
the
basement
level.
The
entrance
would
be
located
on
Penn
Street
at
the
north
end
next
to
a
drive
aisle
that
would
give
access
to
the
surface
parking
at
the
rear.
C
The
basket
plan
shows
the
removal
of
seven
trees
colored
in
red
on
this
plan
and
the
planting
of
three
new
trees,
which
are
green.
It
also
shows
sod.
We
saw
at
the
front
of
the
McLeod
semi
and
a
significant
portion
of
the
real
property
new
bushes
and
charred
grass
will
be
planted
along
the
Penn
Street
facade
and
along
the
rear
property
line,
dividing
the
property,
the
parking
area
from
the
rear,
neighbor's.
C
The
Senate
NH
Conservation
District
plan
has
Garland's
for
residential
infill
these
state.
The
new
development
should
be
contemporary
and
design
distinguishable
and
sympathetic
to
the
hedged
property.
Reflect
the
character
of
existing
buildings,
be
three
to
four
storeys
in
height
with,
like
two
units
shape
patterns
and
use.
Primer,
brick
is
a
primary
finish.
The
proposed
building
would
be
four
storeys
in
height
with
a
break
between
the
third
and
fourth
floor.
The
building
is
located
on
Kent.
The
country
property
line
follow
the
established
character
of
the
street.
C
Although
the
garden
suggests
units
shaped
patterns,
the
configuration
and
size
of
the
lot
does
not
lend
itself
to
such
a
building
form.
Instead,
the
building
will
be
rectangular
and
plan
sitting
on
an
l-shaped
lot.
The
master
will
be
restricted
to
the
portion
of
the
lot
about
in
Kent
Street,
with
the
rear
area
used
for
parking
and
amenity
space.
C
C
A
A
D
You
so
press
the
button
when
I'm
ready-
oh
it's
already
on.
Thank
you
very
much.
Sorry
I'm
new
at
this
I
have
never
done
this
before
so
hi
everyone.
My
name,
is
Mindy
c-shell
I'd
like
to
thank
everyone
on
the
committee
for
being
here
and
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
I'd
like
to
thank
all
my
neighbors
who
took
the
time
out
of
their
busy
schedules
to
come.
D
There's
lots
of
people
here
that
are
missing
work
this
morning
and
there's
also
I'd
like
to
thank
all
my
neighbors
who
were
not
able
to
come
because
they
had
to
go
to
work,
but
they
sent
letters
in
support
of
the
neighborhood.
So
we
live
across
the
street
from
this
proposed
development.
We
love
our
quiet,
downtown
residential,
historic
neighborhood
and
we've
chosen
to
raise
our
family
here,
we're
honored
to
live
in
a
heritage
home
that
was
built
in
1890,
so
I
just
learned
this
morning,
my
home
is
older
than
the
Ottawa
rowing
club
boathouse.
D
We
know
that
we're
temporary
custodians
of
a
part
of
Ottawa's
history
and
we
take
this
responsibility
very
seriously.
We're
very
concerned
that
the
proposed
development
will
have
significant
negative
effects
on
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
We're
not
opposed
to
development.
I
want
to
make
that
very
clear.
There
have
been
many
new
developments
in
the
area
that
have
been
respectful
of
the
scale
and
character
of
the
existing
heritage
neighborhood,
but
this
proposal
does
not
respect
either.
We
encourage
you
to
oppose
this
application
or
to
require
significant
changes
to
address
the
many
issues.
D
So
first
demolition
by
neglect,
demolition
by
neglect
must
not
be
allowed
to
take
place
in
this
situation.
This
applicant
wants
to
tear
down
two
historic
properties
and
city
staff
is
recommending
their
demolition,
saying
that
and
Ashley
talked
about
it
earlier.
The
contribution
to
the
character
of
the
Heritage
Conservation
District
is
limited,
but
the
part
she
didn't
say
is
the
the
rest
of
her
report
would
says
it's
because
of
the
lack
of
architectural
and
contextual
value
and
low
integrity
due
to
significant
alterations.
D
So
had
these
houses
been
properly
maintained,
we
would
all
be
clamoring
to
keep
them
instead,
we're
saying
it's
acceptable
to
demolish
them.
This
is
not
how
we
should
be
making
decisions
about
heritage
preservation.
This
does
not
benefit
the
city.
This
only
benefits
owners
who
fail
to
maintain
buildings
or
who
buy
run-down
buildings
with
no
intention
of
restoring
them
by
allowing
demolition
by
neglect.
By
failing
to
enforce
heritage
preservation,
we
risk
losing
parts
of
our
collective
history.
D
D
Now,
if
you
dig
into
the
details,
you'll
hear
that
the
rationale
for
the
reduced
setbacks
is
that
the
existing
buildings
have
setbacks
of
zero,
so
the
request
is
simply
to
maintain
what's
already
there,
but
if
you
take
it
to
the
next
step,
you'll
see
that
two
of
these
buildings,
with
the
setbacks
of
zero,
are
the
ones
scheduled
for
demolition
and
the
third
building
would
be
the
only
remaining
building
with
a
setback
of
zero
on
the
entire
block.
So
this
building
makes
up
only
about
20%
of
the
frontage
on
the
block.
D
It
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
grandfather
this
lack
of
setbacks
on
to
this
brand
new
building
and
extend
zero
setbacks
onto
most
of
the
block.
Almost
all
of
the
buildings
within
blocks
and
blocks
away
feature
proper
setbacks.
This
new
development
must
respect
all
bylaws
regarding
setbacks,
just
as
everyone
else
in
the
neighborhood
has
had
to
now.
I
read
the
staff
report
recommending
approval
of
the
application
and
I'm
frankly
completely
puzzled
by
its
conclusions.
D
Then,
if
you
read
the
next
document,
the
cultural
heritage
impact
assessment
had
a
single
recommendation.
Recommendation
1
increase
consideration
for
setbacks
along
Kent
Street
to
create
more
human
scale
and,
along
with
the
prevailing
streetscape,
this
recommendation
was
also
completely
ignored
in
the
staff
report.
D
Third,
let's
talk
about
trees.
Mature
trees
contribute
to
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
There
are
several
large,
mature
trees
on
this
property
and,
frankly,
you
only
find
hundred-year-old
trees
when
you're
dealing
with
120
year
old
neighborhood,
but
this
applicant
wants
to
cut
down
every
single
tree
on
the
lot.
There's
several
large
trees
that
are
perfectly
healthy
and
the
applicant
insists
they
be
removed
just
so,
they
can
build
all
the
way
to
the
property
line.
This
will
revoke
ibly
change
the
historic
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
is
completely
unacceptable.
I'm.
D
Lastly,
the
remaining
heritage
building
is
in
poor
condition.
The
neighbors
have
watched
the
landlord's
of
the
Harwich
building
on
MacLeod,
let
it
deteriorate
for
many
years
since
the
front
porch
had
almost
completely
collapsed
when
the
landlord's
were
forced
by
the
city
to
repair
it.
Is
it
really
likely
that
this
heritage
building
will
be
the
cornerstone
of
this
new
development,
or
is
it
more
likely
that,
during
construction,
we
might
find
it's
not
structurally
sound
just
like?
It
certainly
appears
to
be
and
be
forced
to
tear
it
down
and
build
something
new,
just
like
Somerset
House.
D
This
is
quite
possibly
another
case
of
early
demolition
by
neglect,
just
like
the
other
two
buildings
and
all
owned
by
the
same
landlord.
Just
in
closing
I'd
like
to
count
to
quote
the
center
town
citizens
community
association
on
this
application
quickly,
they
say
this
association
strongly
supports
infill
and
intensification,
just
like
we
do.
These
are
keys
to
creating
an
environmentally
and
economically
sustainable
city,
intensification
supports
neighborhood
stores
and
services
and
a
vibrant
culture.
However,
Indiana.
A
A
E
You,
chair
Thank,
You
Mindy,
thanks
for
for
coming
out.
Actually
you
you
address
my
question
in
your
your
last
set
of
comments,
but
I
just
want
to
reiterate
and
I'd
like
you
to
reiterate,
because
often
in
center
town,
the
the
prevailing
thought
is
that
you
know
we
just
fight
intensification,
sometimes
through
other
measures,
so
just
want
to
clarify.
We've
had
many
conversations,
my
office
myself,
with
with
you
and
other
neighbors
that
the
the
number
of
units,
the
the
density,
the
intensification
that's
being
proposed
here-
is
not
the
issue.
E
D
I
think
the
biggest
issue
from
a
heritage
perspective
is
certainly
that
this
building
doesn't
fit
into
the
neighborhood
it
doesn't
fit
in
terms
of
its
built
form.
The
way
that
it's
going
to
come
in
with
zero
set
box,
the
way
it's
bigger
than
everything.
That's
that's
really
the
issue,
and
that's
really
where
we're
coming
from
there's
a
lot
of
other
issues,
but
really
that's
the
fundamental
one.
Thank.
E
A
F
D
F
D
I
understand
it's
not
as
a
that
zoning
is
not
the
under
the
umbrella
of
heritage,
but
setbacks
certainly
are
and
how
they
contribute
to
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
So
if
you
walk
down
pretty
much
any
street
in
Center
town
you'll
see
that
setbacks
are
a
prominent
feature
of
these
heritage
buildings.
So
this
building
will.
G
You
very
much
I'm
presenting
on
behalf
of
the
Planning
Committee
of
the
center
town
citizens,
community
Association.
We
want
to
congratulate
the
developer
for
keeping
a
heritage
building.
We
also
appreciate
the
developers,
listen
to
feedback
and
made
some
changes,
for
example,
moving
the
rooftop
patio
and
placing
the
garbage
inside
the
building
the
cultural
heritage.
Impact
assessment
for
this
project
says:
I
quote:
increase
setbacks
on
Kent
Street
to
increase
more
human
scale
and
align
with
the
prevailing
streetscape.
G
Yesterday
is
a
lovely
day
in
Ottawa,
one
of
the
first
goodman's
we've
had
so
I
went
for
a
walk
and
I
took
a
tape
measure
and
a
clipboard
with
me.
I
walked
the
length
of
Kent
Street
I
did
a
bit
of
research
and
the
results
of
that
are
in
front
of
you.
It's
this
chart
and
the
accompanying
photos
I
wanted
to
know
when
it
comes
to
setbacks.
G
What
is
the
prevailing?
Streetscape
the
neighborhood
character
on
Kent
Street,
so
I,
measured
when
I
say,
setback
I'm,
talking
about
the
distance
from
the
vertical
face
or
building
to
the
outside
edge
of
the
current,
in
other
words,
from
the
wall
of
the
building
to
the
edge
of
the
roadway
I
measured.
The
setback
of
every
building
three
stories
are
taller
from
the
Queens
way.
All
the
way
to
Slater,
which
is
almost
prohm,
Hill
and
I,
want
to
mention
one
point.
G
At
the
start,
there
are
buildings
with
small
setbacks
such
as
the
developers
proposing,
but
almost
all
of
those
tiny
setbacks
on
very
old
buildings.
More
than
a
century
old
and
those
heritage,
buildings
are
small,
two-story
houses.
There
are
tiny
structures
compared
to
the
massing
of
what
is
being
proposed
so
on
the
chart.
I
have
highlighted
the
substantive
buildings
within
200
metres
of
the
proposed
development.
There
are
three
of
them
and
all
three
are
similar
in
height
to
what
is
being
proposed
by
me.
G
All
three
are
some
in
height
and
massing
doors
being
proposed.
As
you
can
see,
in
all
three
cases,
the
setback
is
twice
what
is
being
proposed
or
more
than
twice,
but
we're
talking.
Five.
Six,
almost
seven
meters
compared
to
four
the
proposed
building
and
I
got
this
off
the
site
plan
to
decimal
seven
meters.
G
If
you
take
a
look
at
the
rest
of
King
Street,
all
the
way
down
to
Slater
with
a
couple
of
exceptions,
every
setback
is
much
bigger
than
what
this
developer
is
proposing.
So
I
asked
myself:
do
we
have
an
example
the
real
world
of
what
it
would
be
like
if
the
developer
eliminated
the
setback?
The
answer
as
we
do?
There
are
two
substantive
buildings
on
Kent
Street
and
that's
on
all
of
chemistry.
Look
up
corner
and
half
of
it
from
Parliament.
G
Hill
is
the
Queen's
flight
that
has
setbacks
in
the
range
of
what
this
developer
is
proposing
their
detail
on
the
second
page
right
here,
neither
is
near
the
site
both
are
downtown.
In
both
cases,
the
setback
is
two
decimal.
Two
meters
compared
to
two
point:
seven:
the
developers
proposing
50
centimeters
well
that
much
so
we're
talking
about
that
much
difference
between
the
building's
you're.
Looking
at
here
and
what
this
developers
proposing.
G
G
The
two
photos
I've,
given
you
fire
yesterday
afternoon,
beside
those
two
builders,
the
small
setbacks,
is
this
photo
and
this
one
I
think
the
photos
speak
for
themselves
as
to
what
the
experiences
when
you
have
a
tall
vertical
rail
right
up
against
the
sidewalk
and
close
to
the
curb
as
I,
took
the
photos,
a
thought
in
my
mind.
What
you
am
I
in
have
I
been
transported
way
back
in
time.
G
I
am
gobsmacked
that
in
the
near
2018,
we
are
even
talking
about
inflicting
this
on
our
city
now,
fortunately,
Kent
Street
has
retained
its
human
scale.
Previous
builders
respected
setbacks,
all
up
and
down
Kent
there's
space
between
the
facial
building
and
the
sidewalk
and
the
curb,
and
in
that
space
there
are
trees,
shrubs
ornamental
planners
and
is
giving.
G
So
far,
our
Kent
is
not
subside.
So
far.
Pardon
me
Kent
has
not
succumbed
to
the
canyon
wall
effect.
If
this
project
is
built
that
changes,
this
is
not
a
small
change.
It
is
a
huge
change.
The
script
to
the
streetscape,
it's
a
neighborhood
character
of
not
just
that
portion
of
Kent
but
the
entire
street.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
F
G
F
F
G
F
G
A
Yeah
I
think
it's
important
to
state
that
I
think
mr.
Hanna
was
talking
about
setback
in
a
vernacular
sense
and
what
you
were
pointing
out
is
and
in
a
legal
sense
it's
from
the
property
line,
but
I
think
the
idea
was.
This
was
more
of
a
vernacular
success
just
to
clarify
good
morning
and
welcome
to
the
committee
I
think.
As
you've
heard,
you
have
five
minutes
to
speak.
Yes,
I'll.
H
H
Another
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
was
the
removal
of
trees.
They
plan
on
removing
all
the
trees
and
I
talked
to
one
person
who
yesterday
we
had
a
good
conversation
of
possibly
maintaining
one
or
two
of
the
trees
in
the
back,
but
there's
one.
She
that's
that
they're
proposing
to
remove,
which
they
did
not
talk
to
us
about,
which
is
our
tree,
which
is
in
between
the
building
and
what
kind
of
sucks
is
their
plans?
Actually
have?
Yes,
yeah,
but
they
big
circle
there.
H
It's
a
big
Alberta
maple,
it's
when
I
understand,
possibly
over
100
years
old,
if
not
more-
and
it
is
perfectly
healthy-
nobody's
discussed
this
with
us
like
I,
find
it
a
little
bit
rude
that
nobody's
actually
just
come
and
said,
like
I'm,
probably
not
the
proper
person
for
this.
But
if
you
come
and
talk
there
certain
owner
and
said
like
hey,
this
is
what
we're
thinking
of
doing.
You
may
get
a
little
bit
more.
H
That
to
me
takes
away
from
the
Heritage.
Just
it's
it's
the
complete
opposite,
that's
about
it.
I
think
the
rest
of
the
people
have
said
I'm
not
going
to
go
over
what
they
said,
but
we've
lived
there
for
19
20
years.
So
when
she
says
neglect
like
we've
seen
extreme
amount
of
neglect
from
this
landlord
and
I
think
that's
partially,
why
some
of
those
two
other
heritage
buildings
have
gone
down
included
included
this
one.
H
E
E
Course,
but
it's
the
significant
portion
of
it
is
on
your
property.
Yes,
and
if
I
remember
correctly
from
visiting
your
place,
it
provides
an
immense
amount
of
shading
for
your
home,
which
is
three
stories
high
and
has
got
maybe
three
apartments
in
it.
But
so
the
all
of
the
residents
who
live
in
in
the
home
that
you
live
in
benefit
from
the
shading
from
this
tree.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
yeah
and
I
believe
that
you
have
to
give
permission
for
any
damage
to
this
tree
so
I.
E
E
Wow
there
that's
the
tree
that
we're
talking
about
and
for
anybody
outside
of
you
know
the
downtown
that
may
not
look
like
gold,
but
in
the
downtown
that
tree
might
as
well
be
made
out
of
gold
and
what
that
tree
does
it
allows
neighbors
to
go
without
air-conditioning.
It
allows
okay,
it
provides
a
canopy
for
for
not
just
the
person
right
next
to
it,
but
many
many
residents
around.
E
A
I
Morning,
thanks
thanks
everybody
for
reading
a
letter
that
I
sent
yesterday
and
for
hearing
today.
I
live
about
438,
McLeod
Street,
so
I
live
on
the
west
side
of
Kent
on
the
south
side
and
the
setbacks
issue
that
have
already
been
addressed
are
really
a
serious
concern
to
those
of
us
also
living
on
that
side
of
Kent.
It's
going
to
absolutely
change
our
experience
of
a
light
or
experience
of
walking
down
that
Street
and
so
I
want
to
echo
what
some
others
have
said.
I
What
also
I
believe
the
Heritage
report
said
about
the
significance
of
sight
backs
to
heritage,
but
actually
want
to
move
to
another
point
and
think
actually
about
how
we
might
consider
the
demolition
of
the
two
buildings,
I'm
Ken
Street,
to
be
a
bad
idea
and
I
want
to
Kontest.
What's
been
said
about
the
idea
that
the
contextual
value
of
those
two
buildings
are
second-rate
or
minimal,
or
something
like
this.
First
of
all,
those
two
houses
when
you
look
at
them,
I
realize
you
might
think.
Oh
those
are
wooden
structures
with
siding.
They
don't
look
great.
I
That
hurts
my
feelings
a
bit,
because
my
house
looks
like
that,
except
for
I.
You
know
painted
it
a
nicer
color
and
put
nicer
things
around
the
windows,
but
some
of
us
within
those
houses,
they're
great
houses.
They
have
some
the
best
foundations
in
the
city,
they're
stable,
they're,
valuable
buildings.
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
well,
first
of
all,
I
did
look
up
the
Ottawa
directory
for
the
1890s
and
guess
what
did
I
find
that
a
former
prime
minister
or
a
member
of
the
clipper
seven
lived
in
those
houses?
I
No
I
found
out
that
bridges
growing
a
label
with
his
six
children
and
mcgunn
from
England
lived
in
those
houses,
but
I
want
to
think
about
this.
There's
actually
a
precedent
in
Ottawa
for
saving
women,
clad
laborers
houses.
This
is
something
that's
happening
in
urban
design
across
the
country.
I'll
give
you
two
examples:
one
is
the
gammon
house
and
then
game
has
actually
been
designated
as
a
heritage
site,
a
second
one
which
was
actually
something
that
happened
between
the
owners
and
the
residents
is
just
a
block
away
on
floor
street.
I
That
was
fantastic
when
townhouses,
where
they
built.
Two
in
Phil's
around
the
early
1990s
right
to
kind
of
respect
that
site.
So
the
fact
that
these
are
old
wooden
buildings,
the
fact
that
they
don't
look
great,
which
is
something
that
is
really
the
fact
of
the
the
landlord's
doing,
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
we
should
look
at
them
and
think
oh
yeah.
Let's
take
those
down
right
away.
I
It's
been
a
major
music
venue
in
the
Ottawa
Punk
hardcore
an
alternative
music
scene
for
over
a
decade
and
I'm,
not
just
talking
about
I'm,
not
trying
to
glorify
house
parties
for
you,
I'm
talking
about
at
least
two
fans
that
have
been
shortlisted
for
the
Polaris
Prize
have
played
there,
and
the
last
band
that
played
there
has
been
reviewed
in
Rolling.
Stone
was
voted
the
best
band
by
independent
music
band
in
Canada
by
exclaim
magazine.
I
It's
consistently
reviewed
by
pitchfork,
which
is
this
an
obvious
to
most
ratified
by
the
music
review
site
in
existence
in,
in
the
extent
of
eight
and
eight
point,
five
right.
This
is
actual
heritage.
That
I
think
that
should
be
considered
in
this
building.
If
only
to
think
about
why
we
need
houses
on
Kent
and
not
big
buildings,
we
actually
have
what
could
be
considered
a
creative
corridor
on
Kent
Street.
We've
got
the
photography
studio
just
right
at
Gladstone,
we've
got
Chris
Griffin's
house
and
art
studio
there.
I
If
we
start
to
build
buildings
which
clearly,
as
we've
seen
from
all
the
pictures,
are
not
human
scale,
do
not
look
like
what
the
neighborhood
should
look
like
if
we
start
to
build
those
buildings,
we're
going
to
get
a
different
kind
of
of
a
way
of
living,
a
different
kind
of
inhabit
ability
in
the
hood
right,
so
I'm
going
to
actually
a
medic.
There
could
be
a
different
sort
of
way
of
addressing
the
site,
a
different
sort
of
way
of
using
these
existing
properties
right.
But
that's
why
that's
why
we
move
to
this
neighborhood?
I
I
So
one
email
from
a
former
tenant
said
the
landlord
is
a
slumlord
who
does
know
appears
at
all
and
I'm
concerned.
Now
that
we're
only
going
to
be
introducing
a
much
much
bigger
concern
with
much
much
bigger
buildings.
Many
many
many
more
tenants
that
the
intensification
isn't
the
issue.
The
issue
is:
how
will
the
site
actually
be
maintained
and
how
will
that
kind
of
work
according
to
its
look
and
the
times,
almost
on
sort
of
the
community?
I
mean
okay.
A
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
out
this
morning.
Any
questions
seeing
none
I'm
just
going
to
start
a
comment
on
one
point.
That
I
think
is
an
important
point
of
clarification,
because
a
number
of
speakers
have
used
the
expression,
demolition
by
neglect
and
I.
Think
it's
important
to
clarify
with
staff
whether
the
the
state
of
the
building,
the
structural
integrity
or
lack
of
structural
integrity
was
that
a
factor
in
the
reevaluation
of
the
two
buildings.
C
Mr.
chair,
there
was
no
structural
engineer
report
conducted
for
this.
It
was
simply
a
visual
analysis,
as
well
as
research
into
the
history
of
the
buildings.
As
far
as
materials
go,
they
were
initially
wood-clad
back
when
they
were
constructed
and
through
my
research,
I
could
tell
that
into
a
60s
era
cottonwood.
They
were
later
changed
to
stucco
and
angel
stone
and,
as
you
see
now,
they
are
now
with
vinyl
siding
the
window.
Openings
have
been
altered,
so
no
there's,
no
structural
engineer
report,
ship
and
no
property
Sanders
orders
issues
from
from
Warwick.
A
The
reason
I
think
that's
important
clarification.
Is
it's
not
taking
away
from
an
argument
that
one
wants
to
make
that
the
contextual
value
or
the
physical
value
associated
value
is
higher
than
what
staff
or
purporting
one
can
make
that
argument,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
state
that
this
is
currently
not
a
case
of
demolition
by
neglect.
This
is
not
a
case
where
the
state
of
the
building
has
influenced
the
score
and
the
reason
I
say
this
is
that
it's
important
the
term
it
does
happen.
This
is
a
phenomenon
we
see
throughout
the
city.
A
Somerset
has
was
mentioned,
but
I
just
it's
important
that
this
term
remains
an
accurate
one,
because
it
is
a
serious
issue,
but
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
that
there's
nothing
in
the
report
or
in
staffs
analysis.
That
suggests
this
is
a
case
demolition
by
neglect,
so
again,
I'm
not
taking
away
at
all
from
anyone's
ability
to
argue
that
the
score
should
be
higher,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clarification.
Can.
I
A
C
Threw
mr.
chair,
we
did
not
actually
rescore
the
buildings
we
reviewed
them,
so
I
think
I
mentioned
in
my
presentation.
They
are
category
two,
so
that
was
the
scoring
that
was
done
in
the
1995
study
and
on
the
survey
form
for
that
study
indicates
they're
minor
examples
of
troilus
century
buildings
with
low
architectural
value.
C
So
at
this
point,
20
years
later,
we're
not
entirely
sure
why
they
were
given
a
category
two
and
in
the
plan
at
the
time,
is
though,
since
it's
a
post,
39
2005
plan,
there's
no
guidelines
for
demolition
of
buildings,
regardless
of
their
status
and
as
far
as
an
application
goes,
we
do
not
actually
rescore
them.
We
just
review
them
in
their
current
state
status
and
to
determine
whether
there's
enough
cultural
heritage
value
there
to
keep
them,
but.
E
J
A
K
K
We
strongly
support
the
Chirs
recommendation
for
increased
setback
along
Kent
Street,
as
many
people
have
mentioned,
the
zero
lot
line,
four
to
one
and
a
half
two
and
a
half
story.
Houses
is
very
different
in
impact
than
a
zero
lot
line
for
a
long
four
story.
Building
there's
articulation
or
there
is
a
rhythm
on
the
street
and
if
it
simply
isn't
there
with
the
four
story,
building
access
to
parking
under
the
building
doesn't
have
the
same
impact
as
driveways,
which
create
a
space
leading
to
a
rear
yard.
K
So
I
think
it's
very
important
that
the
setback
be
reconsidered.
It
would,
as
everybody
has
pointed
out,
allow
for
landscaping
and
trees
along
the
street,
which
is
very
important
if
we're
trying
to
establish
a
residential
character
or
maintain
a
residential
character.
The
other
thing
that
could
be
explored
was
the
Heritage
Conservation
District
guideline
for
UNH
shaped
buildings.
The
report
says:
well,
there
is
enough
room.
Well,
maybe
this
isn't
the
right
development
for,
for
this
particular
location,
the
u-shape
doesn't
have
to
be
enormous.
K
That
just
needs
to
be
some
articulation
of
that
huge
frontage,
perhaps
even
a
step
back
between
the
further
at
the
third
story
and
something
to
reduce
the
impact
with
the
mass,
and
we
also
support
the
plans
that
are
shown
for
the
retention
of
the
semi-detached
house
in
McLeod.
However,
there
needs
to
be
a
separation
between
that
building
and
the
new
building
it
in
order
to
emphasize
the
Heritage
character
of
the
semi-detached,
and
it
should
be
read
as
a
separate
building
distinct
from
the
massing
of
the
new
construction.
K
We
did
also
question
the
notion
of
them
reclassification
when
we
understand
that
the
it's
not
reclassified.
It's
reviewed
in
the
context
of
the
development
proposal,
but
what
this
does
reveal
is
the
serious
problem
of
out-of-date
Heritage,
Conservation
District
plans,
and
that
plan
says:
there's
no
demolition
well,
now
we're
having
demolition
so
and
the
more
recent
plans
I
can
do
operative
guidelines
for
demolition.
We
really
get
have
to
get
down
to
reviewing
the
heritage
of
the
Heritage
Conservation
districts
in
light
of
the
revised
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
so
that
people
know
what
to
expect.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
A
L
L
So
we're
here
really
to
just
respond
to
questions
and
concerns
that
we've
heard
here
today.
I
did
want
to
reiterate
some
of
the
things
that
I've
heard
from
you
mr.
chair
just
just
think
a
little
bit
closer
to
Mike
yup
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
some
of
the
things
that
I
heard
from
you
mr.
chair,
which
was
what
I
heard
from
some
of
the
concerned.
Residents
about
the
demolition
by
neglect.
L
I
I,
obviously,
would
agree
with
your
with
your
distinction
that
you
made
in
fact
that
the
building
has
gone
through
some
different
iterations
on
the
exterior
cladding,
originally
with
wood
and
then
stucco.
So
over
the
years
it
hasn't
been
completely
neglected
and
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
your
your
words
on
that.
In
addition,
we've
heard
a
lot
about
the
set
box,
and
this
was
something
that
obviously
we
met
with
the
Community
Association
and
we
wanted
to
address
here
today,
the
the
in
Crete.
L
Well,
we
first
and
foremost,
we
can't
preserve
the
existing
heritage,
building,
that's
at
the
corner
of
Ken
MacLeod
without
addressing
the
zoning
and
the
setbacks,
and
that
building
does
sit
at
the
property
line
and
it
is
a
zero
metre
setback.
So
we
would
be
requesting
a
zero
metre
setback
for
that
portion
of
the
building
along
Kent.
So
I
think
it's
an
important
distinction
that
you
know
we
have
to
recognize
an
existing
situation
if
we're
going
to
preserve
a
heritage
resource.
L
In
addition
to
that,
we
have
increased
to
setback
to
30
centimeters
from
the
property
line,
so,
whereas
previously
the
buildings
actually
built
on
the
property
line,
so
the
building
face
is
actually
today
on
the
property
line.
We
are
increasing
it
to
a
foot
or
30
centimeters,
and
in
addition
to
that,
and
now
let
the
project
architect.
My
colleague
here-
speak
to
the
architecture
of
the
building,
but
the
introduction
of
some
art
building
articulation
will
actually
increase
that
setback.
So
it's
not
just
a
monolithic
wall
on
Kent
Street,
as
expressed
by
the
the
residents.
L
L
The
remaining
trees
are
all
leaning
and
I
would
say,
they're,
probably
not
in
great
health
I'm,
not
an
arborist,
but
we
will
be
retaining
an
arborist
to
visit
the
site
to
analyze
all
the
trees.
In
addition
to
evaluating
the
the
value
of
the
the
tree
in
question,
which
straddles
the
property
line,
so
I
can
appreciate
that
this
is
an
issue
that
you
know
the
neighbor
is
concerned
about
and
we
are
working.
L
You
know
we
are
trying
to
work
with
him
to
resolve
the
issue
prior
to
obviously
going
to
Planning,
Committee
and
prior
to
site
plan
approval.
Of
course,
this
to
me
is
more
of
a
site
plan
issue,
but
I'll
leave
it
at
that
and,
and
just
to
say
it's
not
finished.
Yet
we
are
still
trying
to
work
out
how
to
provide
some
kind
of
compensation.
M
Okay,
mr.
Leigh
did
you
want
to
follow
it's
just
a
quick
few
notes
on
the
process.
First
I
like
this
one
of
the
first
things
to
do
of
course
meet
with
cities
happening
and
particular
heritage,
and
we
get
a
lot
of
our
cues
moving
forward
from
that
early
discussion.
So
the
discussion
on
the
retention
of
the
existing
building
at
the
corner
obviously
came
up.
Of
course.
The
first
reaction,
my
client
thought
every
client
you
probably
see
here:
let's
tear
it
down
and
duplicate
it
replicated.
M
That
was
a
non-starter
for
everybody
involved,
and
so
we
we
were
able
to
convince
the
client.
This
is
the
best
approach
was
to
help
me
tame
this
building
and
remove
which
it
was
unsightly
in
addition
to
the
back
and
move
forward
with
the
preservation
of
existing
buildings-
and
we
did
get
clear,
I'd
say
a
clear
discussion
here
regards
to
the
two
White
House's
and
again
I
think
with
the
retention.
Those
houses.
Is
this
project
obviously
wouldn't
move
forward.
M
My
client
is
trying
to
provide
some
affordable
rental
units
in
here
and
in
the
area
which
I
think
needs
it
caustically,
and
so
we
said
about
doing
design
that
I
think
ports
well
I
point
out
a
designer
actually,
for
this
is
this.
This
iteration
is
probably
the
first
design
I've
really
I
really
truly
enjoy
it.
I
think
what
it
does
is
one
preserves
a
building,
but
also,
if
you
look
at
the
architecture
that
sets
up
that
vertical
rhythm
is
so
important,
so
in
a
sort
of
their
modern
contemporary
way.
M
We're
recreating
those
that
tight
vertical
pattern.
The
fact
that
we've
set
back
the
entire
building
a
foot
back
from
the
existing
heritage
building
and
then
we
recessed
those
channels
which
set
felt
that
sort
of
vertical
rhythm
of
the
street,
which
is
important
in
the
establishment
and
the
strengthening
of
that
residential
character
of
Kent
Street.
You
know,
Kent
Street
is
a
very
interesting
Street
because
it
is
a
mix
of
residential
and
commercial,
but
it's
a
very
tight
site
and
one
of
the
things
we
were
they
on.
M
We
we
looked
at
different
ways
of
developed,
say
no
one
and
was
actually
doing
an
l-shaped
building
that
went
into
the
rear
yard.
In
our
opinion
that
had
serious
negative
impact
on
all
the
coffee
owners
in
the
area,
and
so
we
purposely
kept
out
of
the
rear
yard
and
tried
to
keep
that
with
increased
green
space
and
surface
parking
and
simple
ad
building
and
moving
the
mass
toward
the
street,
where
we
thought
Kent
Street
being
a
wider
Street
with
a
mix
of
uses
could
handle
it.
M
So
the
architecture
is,
you
know
again,
I
think
sympathetic
having
the
three
storeys
of
brick
transitioning
down
to
the
two-story
bricks
on
either
end
and
using
a
contemporary
modern
material.
On
the
fourth
floor,
that
in
a
way
creates
that
setback
that
people
are
talking
about,
but
it
is
sort
of
a
visual
setback
as
opposed
to
a
physical
setbacks.
So
quite
proud
of
this
building.
I
think
this
is
a
infill
I,
think
that
is
good
infill,
it's
a
less
density
and
then
could
be
achieved.
It's
a
less
height.
M
If
you
look
at
Gladstone
in
it's
a
traditional
Main
Street,
the
potential
in
Gladstone
as
it
develops,
will
be
larger,
bigger
buildings.
Kent
Street
has
it
evolves,
as
animate
already
is
important
Street,
but
it
will
evolve
over
time
too,
and
I
think
you'll
see
over
time
site
much
widened.
You
know
thing
over
there
doing
the
Main
Street
in
Elgin,
Street
and
all
the
downtown
streets,
so
I
think
this
will
be
a
welcome
addition
when
it's
finished.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
N
M
We
should
we
created
breaks
by
we
pushed
back
in
those
vertical
reveals.
We
push
back
another
two
feet,
so
we've
got
a
3-foot
gap
and
it's
actually
a
window.
Well,
so
it
can't
can't
be
paved
because
actually
allows
life
into
that
lower
level.
And
again
you
know
it
was
one
of
those
value
decisions.
Where
do
we
make
you
know?
M
Do
we
increase
our
setback
and
then
try
to
achieve
that
density
by
moving
into
the
rear
yard
which
we
kept
out
of
so
you
know
in
every
project
you're
trying
to
balance
that
where
the
impact
is
going
to
be
greater
effect,
you're
building
a
rear
that
has
issues
of
overlooked
and
and
and
those
type
of
negative
impacts.
Or
do
you
move
up
the
street?
M
You
know
we
do
a
lot
of
work
in
traditional
Main
streets
and
arterial,
Main,
Street
square,
we're
being
directed
by
staff
to
move
our
buildings
up
to
the
sidewalks
and
that
are
creating
actually
interesting
animated
streets.
So
we
think
this
was
a
you
know,
a
balancing
point
and
we
thought
we
moved
in
the
right
direction.
So
it
was
definitely
thought
we
had
a
number
of
different
options
on
how
to
develop
this
site.
The
recess
middle
is
made
it
very
difficult
to
actually
get
any
meaningful
development.
It's
a
fairly
tight
site.
M
L
If
I
may
as
well
mr.
chair
just
add
to
that
two
things,
and
despite
what
the
gentleman
from
the
CCCA
had
mentioned,
there
are
a
few
buildings
that
were
are
built
to
the
property
line
along
Kent
Street
number
one
and
number
two.
We
can't
ignore
the
planned
function
in
the
existing
zoning
in
that
portion.
The
northern
portion
of
the
site,
where
one
of
the
houses,
one
of
the
white
homes,
is
actually
as
a
TM
zone,
so
that
would
effectively
allow
you
to
build
to
the
property
line.
Anyways.
M
A
Let
me
ask
a
question
and
then
that
you're
welcome
to
respond.
I
think
the
other
thing
that
I'm
skeptical
about
is,
if
you
speak
about
the
neighboring
site
for
two
three
four,
four,
two:
five
in
cloud
Street.
You
have
to
recognize
that
that
setback
as
a
side
yard
setback
with
a
property
that
faces
MacLeod
and
not
Kent.
A
So
it's
a
little
bit
disingenuous
to
use
that
that
setback
as
some
sort
of
guidance
for
you
as
you
move
forward,
because
we're
talking
about
two
very
different
setbacks
about
my
question,
and
you
can
certainly
respond
to
my
comment.
But
let
me
ask
a
question
to
legi,
which
is
I've
certainly
seen
in
my
award,
in
which
there
are
two
heritage
conservation
districts,
some
very
effective
infill
and
one
which
is
about
to
be
built
is
very
similar
in
the
sense
of
you
have
a
number
of
brick
homes.
It's
a
proposed
four-story
property.
A
Most
of
the
brick
homes
are
two
two
story
and
what
the
architect
did
and
I
in
that
case,
which
was
very
very
effective,
is
he
provided
a
step
back
after
the
second
story,
so
that
the
massing
reads
from
the
street
front?
As
to
two
stories
with
a
step
back,
third
and
fourth-
so
it's
a
very
effective
way
of
both
in
some
ways
hiding
some
of
that
massing
and
providing
an
ode
to
the
character
of
the
two
story.
Treatment
in
terms
of
the
predominant
built
built
feature
of
that
Street.
M
I
think
we
considered
a
number
of
things
I'm,
not
sure,
particularly
on
that
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
all
these
cases
try
to
keep
again
just
to
to
create
a
cost
effective
building,
to
try
to
make
it
relatively
simple
and
try
to
use
the
change
of
materials
as
that
means
of
articulation.
That's
you're,
speaking
to
and
with
regards
to
your
first
well
to
the
second
point
would
say
about
the
setback:
I
wasn't
talking
about
the
the
side,
yard
setback
off
of
the
MacLeod
Street.
M
A
I
A
O
You
warning
this
will
be
very
quick
I'm,
going
to
raise
three
points.
First
of
all,
the
tree
that's
being
possibly
taken
away
or
modified
rear
of
that
building,
I'm,
not
up
on
the
law
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
just
like
to
throw
my
my
support
behind
my
neighbor
saying
you
know
it's
been
there
for
generations
and
good
neighbors
I,
don't
know
the
law,
but
it
seems
to
me
from
a
common-sense
point
of
view,
good
neighbors,
don't
move
in
and
cut
down
trees
that
have
been
there
for
generations
if
they're
healthy
trees.
O
My
second
point
is
I.
Understand
that
I
just
learned
this
morning,
actually
that
the
porch
on
the
MacLeod
side
of
the
building
is
possibly
going
to
be.
You
know
it
will
be
kept,
but
I've
heard
just
this
morning
that
it's
not
going
to
be
modified
or
spruced
up
in
any
way.
It's
a
bit
rundown.
Could
we
ask
the
developer
to
spruce
that
up
in
some
way?
Very
simple.
My
second
asking
me.
My
third
point
is
my
compliments
to
the
architect.
I
mean
other
aspects
of
this
design
that,
frankly,
look
pretty
good
to
me.
O
You
know
some
of
them
the
face
on
Kent
Street
to
my
eye.
However,
it
looks
a
bit
institutional
like
a
big
high
school
has
been
planted
there
or
maybe
a
penitentiary.
Even
it
just
looks
a
bit
cliff,
like
my
apologies,
New
York
to
the
architect
again
that
face
I
think
just
looks
a
bit
to
cliff
like
a
little
to
institutional.
The
30
centimeters
setback
is
not
a
lot.
It's
going
to
add.
As
the
gentleman
just
pointed
out,
it's
going
to
be
paved
so
that's
30,
centimeters
of
pavement
and
I.
Don't
think
that
really
counts
I.
O
Don't
think
that
really
helps
I
would
like
to
suggest
a
tree.
Could
we
not
have
and
I
think
the
representative
from
Heritage
Ottawa
suggested
this?
Can
we
not
have
a
dent
in
this
building
and
put
a
tree
in
there?
You
know,
and
if
you
can't,
if
you
can't
get
that,
can
we
get
some
Ivy
on
there
brick
looks
great
with
ivy.
Can
we
ask
the
developer
to
put
a
nice
Ivy
on
that
face
and
I
think
that
would
look
fantastic,
actually
I
think
it'd
look
great
just
within
three
houses
of
this
development.
O
There
are
several
houses
that
are
covered
with
Ivy
and
they
look
fantastic,
absolutely
fantastic,
and
if
we
can't
do
that,
can
we
paint
a
damn
thing,
green
or
something
I,
don't
know
we
live
there?
Can
you
throw
us
a
bone?
Can
you
throw
us
a
bone?
We
live
there.
If
you
just
want
a
little
green
or
something
can
you
put
a
tree
on
the
roof?
A
couple
of
trees
need
before
or
five
shrubbery
or
something
can
you
do
that?
Thank
you.
A
F
One
of
the
things
we
sometimes
look
at
with
the
heritage
buildings
is
not
just
the
building,
but
also
the
landscape
is
certainly
done
that
in
a
lot
of
the
other
ones.
So
I
don't
know
be
that
tree,
which
is
a
one-issue
they're
the
tree.
It
is
also
the
green
space
along
kent
street
those
two
issues
that
have
come
up
with
landscape
and
at
one
point
of
it
a
comment
we
might
take
the
area
we
have
a
very
limited
number
of
car
parking
ticket
away,
so
don't
know
what
they
expect.
F
People
do
have
cars,
but
a
few
people
still
do
have
cars
even
downtown
and
on
street
parking
is
one
thing
that's
available
there,
but
there's
one
different
thing:
when
you
have
a
lot
more
units,
it
has
a
lot
more
cars
than
space
they
take
up
is
not
available
for
that
many,
so
it's
I
would
why
lose
lose?
What
a
little
bit
they've
got.
But
how
long
are
we
dealing
with
things
like
the
tree?
F
That's
mostly
on
a
neighbor's
property,
tiny
bit
might
be
on
theirs
and
that
doesn't
seem
to
come
up
in
the
site
plan
and
how
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
we
have
more
than
about
the
width
from
here
this
other
into
this
desk
of
green
long
next
to
the
sidewalk,
which
is
the
minimum
width
the
sidewalk
anyway
to
create.
But
this
is
actually
a
residential
component
of
this
place
where
people
do
stand
in
front
of
front
door.
Talk
when
they're
going
home
and
all
sorts
of
things
happen.
F
So
I
just
like
to
know
how
you're
doing
with
that.
Well,
their
site
plan
issues
we
have
raised
them
here.
Sometimes
time
think
we
need
to
at
least
make
a
comment
to
the
owner
about
this,
because
we
want
them
to
have
more
they've,
been
active,
some
redesign,
their
building
that
fix
this
size
of
their
units
and
has
quite
a
few
impact
packs.
When
you
make
shrink
little
building,
yeah.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
for
the
question.
I.
Think
a
lot
of
those
issues
are
so
pond
issues
and
they
have
the
development
plan
or
Steve
go
Jay
here
too.
To
answer
them.
Perhaps
that's
probably
best
to
start
Steve.
If
you
want
to
actually
talk
about
how
you're
dealing
with
a
tree
issue,
in
particular
in
the
front
yard,.
P
So
as
part
of
the
rezoning
application,
there's
also
site
plan
application,
and
we
are
very
well
aware
of
the
concern
about
the
the
existing
trees,
the
Alberta
maple
on
the
anterior
side.
Lot
line
is
Bing,
as
mentioned
by
the
applicant
they've
hired
an
arborist.
We
also
have
our
Forester
looking
at
it,
so
we
have
asked
if
there
were
measures
that
were
possible
to
preserve
the
trees.
I
understand
also
there's
discussion
that
can
take
place
between
the
two
neighbors
if
they
can
come
to
an
agreement
to
remove
the
tree.
P
If
not,
measures
have
to
be
presented
to
staff
to
see
how
can
the
tree
be
preserved?
That
could
result
in
I'm
no
forester,
but
it
could
result
in
modification
to
the
building
or
measure
and
measures
taken
in
the
ground
to
protect
the
critical
root
zone.
I
think
your
question
was
also
about
the
front
set
bank,
as
you
could
see,
and
could
we
get
the
side
down
on
the
end?
It's
very.
P
It's
it's,
it's
very
narrow,
yeah
the
site.
The
site
is
very
narrow,
as
you
can
see
so
there's
the
Alberta
maple
tree
on
the
east
side.
There's
a
there's.
The
tight
set
back
on
on
Kent
that
aligns
with
the
existing
aerated
home
on
a
corner
articulation
was
an
articulation
or,
as
you
can
see,
the
facade
of
the
building
songs
at
different
locations.
P
Landscaping
was
proposed.
I
understand
it's
not
mature
trees,
but
it
were
in
the
middle
of
the
discussion.
We
I've
heard
the
comments
this
this
morning
will
further
discuss
with
the
applicant.
What
can
be
done
but,
as
I
explained,
it's
it's
a
tight
site.
So
there's
concern
on
each
side
on
the
east
and
west
side,
so
there's
going
to
have
to
change.
F
All
the
size
the
building
is
I
mean
that,
but
that's
because
the
best
main
concern
I
have.
If
these
things
are
going
to
happen,
then
this
building
itself
has
to
the
look
of
it
wouldn't
change
much,
but
the
interior
layout
would
change
a
bit
at
the
building
slightly
smaller
I.
Don't
want
what
we
approve
here,
to
lock
in
the
size
of
the
building,
so
that
making
the
changes
that
we
might
need
in
a
site
plan
can't
be
made
and
that
so
it's
part
of
the
slate
plan
as
partly
and
I
approve.
F
But
when
we
approve
the
back
to
taking
the
buildings
down,
that's
pretty
straightforward,
but
we
approve
the
design
of
the
building.
Does
that
actually
include
the
size
of
the
building,
or
is
it
just
the
appearance
of
the
building,
because
otherwise,
what
we're
doing
here
is
we're
taking
away
that
flexibility
that
you
have.
J
Mr.
chair,
there
is
flexibility
built
into
these
reports
because
we
always
have
minor
design
changes
delegated
to
Authority
to
to
to
staff
for
changes,
so
that
that
concern
could
be
addressed
if,
if
the
configuration
changes
through
negotiations
about
the
tree
that
could
be
addressed
through
through
minor
design,
changes
that
are
that
you
approve
is
one
of
your
recommendations.
I
would
suggest
that
this
is
not
a
minor
design,
change,
yeah.
I
F
Leave
I
think
it's
really
up
to
the
local
councillor.
She
has
to
sign
off
on
the
site
plan
and
the
and
in
doing
that,
I'm
gonna
leave
it
in
her
hands
to
make
whatever
changes.
I
heard
what
she
was
saying
earlier,
so
I
think
she's
on
that
same
wavelength,
I
have
no
problem
with
saying
you
can't
build
as
many
units
I
don't
know
how
many
units
are,
even
in
this
doesn't
say
it
in
seed
in
the
cordon.
How
many?
How
many
units
are
total?
F
Thirty,
one
encase
and
right
now
how
many
they
have
they're
about
six?
Maybe
here
hey,
maybe
so
yeah
and
that's
why
we
can
look
at
certain
about
the
car
parking,
because
you
know
those
are
going
to
be
more
people
than
have
cousins,
I've
counted
in
six
or
seven
spots.
Only
and
the
and
no
other
purpose
I've
been
told
they
they
in
downtown.
They
go
to
0.5.
So
there's
one
for
every
two
units.
F
That's
this
is
what
one
very
for
which
what
they
do
with
seniors
retirement
residences
and
there's
still
not
enough
and
the
street
parking
for
all
those
people
getting
permanence.
When
you
Canyon
Park
on
Kent
Street
in
rush
hour,
is
going
to
be
causing
tremendous
strain
on
the
whole
rest
of
the
community,
because
you
can't
building
so
Street
Park
is
supposed
to
sort
of
take
the
ones
that
are
right
in
that
action
area.
They
can't
with
31
or
25
or
whatever's
left.
So
and
people
say
you
don't
need
cars
downtown.
F
No,
you
don't
forget
around
downtown,
but
you
might
want
to
go
and
visit
people
that
are
not
downtown
sometimes,
and
a
lot
of
people
have
cars
for
that
purpose.
So,
and
some
of
them
use
virtual
air,
which
makes
sense,
but
not
all
three
does
and
so
I
little
concern
that
this
site
plan
is
so
tight
for
the
site
and
I
like
the
appearance.
The
building
they've
done
a
great
job
in
trying
to
make
it
so
it
fits
into
other
buildings
in
the
area.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that.
J
Mr.
chair,
the
the
committee
could
choose
to
provide
direction
to
two
staffs.
You
continue
to
work
on
the
design
of
this.
If
that
is,
is
a
choice.
It's
a
concern
regarding
design
and
and
and
what
my
no
means,
but
I
would
like
to
assure
the
committee
that
some
that
that
you
know
the
interpretation
of
minor
is
is
is
a
highly
subjective.
F
A
E
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair.
Thank
you,
41,
for
coming
out.
It's
you
know
in
in
the
downtown
we
especially
in
the
last
decade
and
as
we
move
into
a
new
era
of
light
rail,
and
certainly
the
affordability
in
downtown
is
being
lost,
and
it's
important
that
we
increase
residential
opportunities
for
everyone
in
the
downtown.
E
That's
single-family
homes,
for
those
of
us
fortunate
enough
to
be
able
to
live
on
the
ground
floor,
to
condos,
to
rental,
to
you
know
supportive
housing,
affordable
housing,
all
the
way
you
know
the
the
the
complete
gamut
and
and
rental
housing
is
an
important
part
of
that
I.
Think
of
some
of
the
staff
in
my
office
who
can't
afford
to
live
downtown
they
should
be
able
to.
They
should
be
able
to
rent
an
apartment
downtown.
E
They
should
be
able
to
start
a
family
in
an
apartment,
downtown
and
and
right
now,
that's
that's
not
happening,
so
you
know,
on
the
one
hand,
that's
what
we
want.
This
is
what
we
want.
We
want
dense.
You
know
increased
density.
We
want
some.
You
know
affordable,
quote,
unquote
opportunities
for
for
folks,
but
we
also
at
the
same
time
need
schools.
You
know
we
need,
we
need
trees.
We
need
that
the
green
space.
E
We
need
units
to
be
big
enough
for
families
that
can't
all
be
bachelors
and
one
I
mean
families
can
live
in
a
two-bedroom
I
do
and
you
know
it
needs
to
be
close
to
transit,
and
so,
even
when
we,
when
we
are
presented
with
an
application
like
this,
you
know
it's.
It
puts
us
in
a
difficult
position
because
we
don't
want
to
be
seen
as
not
supporting
that
increase
in
density
and
that
affordability
and
that
opportunity
for
people
to
to
live
downtown
to
start
their
careers
downtown's
their
families
downtown.
E
But
at
the
same
time
you
know
when
we
look
at
the
Heritage
character
of
our
streets,
we
have
to
maintain
that
we
only
get
one
chance.
Once
it's
gone,
it's
gone.
We're
never
going
to
knock
down
this
building
and
set
it
back.
So
you
know
today
we'll
be
asked
to
do
two
things.
One
is
to
approve
the
application
to
demolish
two
homes
on
10th
Street,
but
at
the
same
time
we're
not
compelling
the
applicant
then
to
respect
the
setback
that
should
be
there.
E
You
know
granted
it's
not,
therefore,
for
these
two
homes,
but,
as
you
know,
member
Smallwood
pointed
out
it's
very
different.
The
visual
aspect
of
of
two
homes
with
separation
is
very
different
than
them.
You
know
one
entire
long
wall
with
no
commercial.
It's
so
you
know
I
for
me
today,
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
vote
in
favor
of
the
application
until
I
see
a
commitment
from
from
the
developer
to
to
to
work
with
staff.
On
the
setback
I
mean
we
have.
We
have
setbacks
for
a
reason.
E
I
understand
that
you
know
it's
not
a
sharp
instrument.
We
don't
go
down
to
the
inch
all
the
time,
but
you
know
it
puts
us
in
very
difficult
positions
when
we're
asked
to
do
two
things
that
really
are
not
part
of
the.
In
this
case,
the
Heritage
District
guidelines
so
I'm,
going
to
as
councillor
Wilkinson
also
pointed
out,
I'm
going
to
direct
that
to
that
staff
work
with
the
applicant
here
to
increase
that
setback
along
10th
Street,
in
line
with
the
recommendations
of
the
cultural
heritage
impact
statement
to
provide
an
enhanced
landscape
buffer.
E
If,
if
we
can
come
up
with
something
that
that
fits
into
the
neighborhood
that
provides
for
that
in
that
soft
landscaping
more
trees,
you
know,
perhaps
then
you
know
we
can.
We
can
look
at
this
as
one
package,
but
until
that
happens
it's
really.
You
know.
I
just
feel
like
we're.
We're
being
asked
to
give
away
everything
here
for
31
units
instead
of
you
know,
coming
to
the
table
and
seeing
what
we
can
do
to
make
sure
that
Kent
Street
of
all
into
a
great
wizard,
a
good
residential
street,
but
maintains
its
heritage
aspect.
E
J
You
mr.
chair,
first
of
all,
I'd
just
like
to
thank
everybody
who
came
out
today.
There
are
some
excellent
presentations
and
I
would
like
to
to
go
to
express
my
concern
about
the
re-evaluation
of
the
two
of
the
two
buildings
the
buildings
are
were
given
a
category
two
in
the
original
Heritage
Conservation
District
report
and
guidelines
built
around
that.
The
decision
to
now
evaluate
them
is
non
contributing
to
the
conservation
district
on
this
on
a
sort
of
ad
hoc
basis.
I
think,
is
problematic
and
should
be
avoided.
J
I
think
that,
from
what
staff
have
said,
the
building
was
not
scored
again,
it
seems
to
be
a
decision
that
was
based
on
changing
of
materials.
Over
time
there
was
no
structural
evaluation
of
either
of
these
buildings
and
I
think
also,
one
of
the
people
from
the
community
did
show
that
there
is
some
interesting
associative
values
to
the
structures
that
were
not
uncovered
by
staff.
Either
associative
values
don't
always
have
to
be
about
former
Prime
Minister's,
so
I
think
they.
J
Some
interesting
new
information
was
brought
forward
in
that
regard,
but
I
do
want
to
express
that
I
feel
there
is
a
concern
about
this
ad
hoc
approach
on
reevaluating
individual
buildings
within
part
5
designated
districts.
I
won't
reiterate
what
I've
heard
elsewhere
today,
but
I
do
support
my
colleague,
councillor,
McKenney
and
I
will
not
be
supporting
the
staff
recommendation
either.
Thank
you.
N
Certainly,
support
what
comes
from
Kenny
had
said:
I
I
support
the
intensification
but
I'm
also
extremely
concerned
about
the
cultural
heritage,
impact
study
and
just
the
impact
of
a
zero
or
a
very
minimal
long
line
and
I
just
wondered.
Is
there
a?
What
I
think
would
be
very
helpful
would
be
enough
of
a
setback
that
would
allow
a
tree
to
grow
or
trees
to
grow,
and
in
just
wondering
is,
is
there
like
what
would
that
is
it?
You
have
a
definition
of
what
that
would
be
like.
N
N
A
To
see
what's
there,
we'd
have
to
see
what's
underground.
What
utilities
are
there
there's
possibilities?
We
could
use
silver
cells
to
reduce
setback
requirements.
I
can't
give
you
a
firm
number,
but
we
can
work
with
a
landscape
architect
to
come
up
with
something:
okay,
I'm,
getting
a
sense
from
the
intervention
from
my
colleagues
that
if
I
were
to
put
this
to
a
vote
that
the
committee
would
likely
reject
the
recommendation
for
this
application
and
in
my
mind
that
would
be
an
unfortunate
outcome,
because
I
think,
as
katas
comes
with
McKenney
articulately
stated.
A
A
I
would
really
the
concern
about
the
option
of
a
step
back
at
the
third
of
more
story
and
by
the
way
I
did
know
that
there
are
two
versions
in
the
rendition
one
in
the
cheese
and
one
in
the
staff
presentation
that
have
different
level
of
liquid
wheels.
One
a
two-story
and
one
out
three,
so
I
think
would
be
important
to
understand
what
Stan's
advice
is
on
that,
but
I
think
the
option
of
at
least
some
step
back
at
the
third
story
to
reflect
the
history
of
the
two
story:
buildings.
A
There
is
something
worth
exploring
so
to
avoid
a
rejection
of
this
application.
Given
that
I
think
there
is
a
lot
of
value
there,
I'm
going
to
recommend
to
colleagues
that
we
refer
this
back
to
staff
for
a
one-month
period
and
what
that
does
is
that
doesn't
delay
the
application,
because
it's
not
coming
to
planning
committee
on
on
the
zoning
amendments
until
the
end
of
June,
so
by
by
doing
that.
A
So,
if
that
meets
with
the
committee's
approval,
I'm
just
going
to
read
it
out
and
I'm
going
to
have
it
moved
by
Councillor
McKenney,
be
it
resolved
that
the
applications
for
demolition
and
reconstruction
at
four
three
and
four
four
seven
Kent
Street
and
for
alteration
at
forty
three.
Forty
five
McCloud
Street
be
referred
to
staff
for
further
review
and
be
a
further
result
of
the
deadheads
subcommittee.
Refer
this
matter
to
staff.
With
the
request.
A
The
revised
report
be
brought
back
to
the
build
Harrow
subcommittee
in
such
time
as
to
permit
consideration
by
the
subcommittee
planning
committee
and
council
and
I'm
going
to
pause,
because
I
don't
think
the
current
timelines
allow
this
to
be
considered
by
council
prior
to
June
14th.
But
that's
what
the
guff
draft
motion
says
so
can
I
just
pause
for
a
brief.
Second
mr.
A
D
A
A
Mandela
get
out
of
his
word
and
why
don't
we
just
make
that
minor
change
to
we're
dealing
with
the
June
14th
be
HSE,
but
we
won't
be
able
to
get
it
through
Planning
Council,
so
we
just
have
to
make
a
slight
wording
amendment
which,
as
as
was
just
read
out
so
on
that
basis,
is
that
referral
motion
code?
Okay,
okay,
great!
So
thank
you
very
much
to
members
of
the
public
for
coming
out.
Thank
you
to
the
applicant
and
thank
you
to
staff.
A
Any
notices,
emotion
and
inquiries
or
other
business.
Okay,
we
are
adjourned,
and
maybe
I
can
just
make
a
quick
comment
about
our
next
meeting
right
now.
Our
meeting
is
scheduled
for
the
afternoon
of
Thursday,
the
14th
of
June,
it's
possible
that
we
may
have
to
change
that
to
another
time
that
that
week,
but
for
now
we're
going
to
hold
that.