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A
A
A
Yes,
I
would
like
to
defer
interest
on
item
number.
One
yeah
senator
didn't
study
days
to
Heritage
Conservation
districts.
I
live
in
the
proposed
Heritage
Conservation
District,
which
is
the
Russell
range
Road
one
and
consequently
I
feel
that
the
perception,
even
though
my
advice
to
me,
was
that
I
don't
have
to
deter
interest.
I
will
in
any
case,
because
it's
important
for
me
to
be
done
so
on
that
item
I
will
absolutely
mess
up
immunity.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
A
This
has
to
do
with
the
application,
be
the
lowest
for
8500
Bank
Street
within
the
Senate
on
Purdue's
Conservation
District.
The
motion
is
that
about
Harry's
committee
separately
approved
the
addition
of
this
item
for
consideration
by
the
committee
at
today's
meeting
pursuant
to
subsection
8090
of
the
bylaw
in
order
to
allow
this
matter
to
arise,
to
planning
committee
and
Council
in
August
2008
and
avoid
further
delays
in
the
development
of
sight,
as
previously
approved
by
council
February
27
into
2015.
A
So
the
committee
may
receive
a
prompt
update
following
the
collapse
of
one
of
the
buildings
walls
on
the
24th
2018.
So
is
that
good
yeah
that
okay?
Okay?
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
vice
rector.
Thank
you
I'm
sure,
we'll
add
those
two
items
to
the
end
of
our
agenda
as
Carrie
just
now
by
the
committee,
which
means
we'll
now
move
to
the
substantive
portion
of
our
agenda.
We
now
have
four
items.
Our
first
item
is
the
Sandy
Hill
heritage
study
phase.
B
Good
come
on
in
committee,
so
this
application,
this
item
before
you
this
morning,
is
to
present
the
sort
of
final
product
of
the
phase
two
heritage,
semi
her
heritage
study
to
present
the
proposed
plans
for
the
designation
of
the
lesser
Avenue,
Range
Road
and
the
Besser
Wittenberg
Heritage
Conservation
districts,
and
so
just
to
give
an
idea
of
location.
When
we're
talking
about
this
morning.
B
The
two
districts
are
located
just
south
of
Rideau
Street
and
along
the
Rideau
River,
and
just
to
give
a
bit
of
context
and
for
the
areas
that
we're
looking
at
today
and
the
districts
are
comprised
of
lands
of
the
form
of
Besser
and
by
estates.
They
encompass
tree
lines,
troops,
tapes
and
a
member
of
representative
examples
of
Gooden
types
in
Sandy
Hill,
which
includes
mascara
public
buildings,
warehouses
detached
single-family
dwellings
and
a
mix
of
architectural
styles,
including
cumin
revival
and
Gothic
Revival
residences
and
mid
20th
century
apartment
designs.
B
B
So
the
Heritage
Conservation
District
study
is-
and
these
are
the
study
areas
that
were
proposed
out
of
the
fees
one
initially,
the
included
three
different
areas
will
notice
it.
The
first
area
is
between
Charlotte
and
over
to
the
redeliver.
The
second
area
was
between
West
Avenue
and
bakwin
Avenue,
and
then
the
third
area
was
marble
and
rain
flowed
as
part
of
the
review
of
these
areas.
B
The
city
hired
a
consultant
to
undertake
a
further
review
of
the
phase
one
study
and
to
look
at
the
evaluation
of
the
properties.
So
as
part
of
that
review,
the
72
districts
south
of
where
they
were
combined
to
from
one
large
district
and
the
properties
on
the
river
happening
were
added
and
the
district.
The
best
wuertenberg
district
is
slightly
smaller
than
the
study
area
to
exclude,
add
a
recent
apartment,
building
and
townhouse
complex
on
Fountain
Place.
B
So
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
includes
a
number
of
requirements
for
an
HCD
plan.
These
include
a
statement
of
objectives,
a
statement
explaining
the
cultural
heritage,
value
of
the
conservation
district,
descriptive
description
of
heritage
attributes,
as
well
as
policy
statements,
guidelines
and
procedures
for
achieving
the
stated
objectives
and
managing
change
in
the
Heritage
Conservation
District,
as
well
as
a
description
of
activations
or
classes
of
alterations
that
are
minor
in
nature.
B
So
both
of
the
districts
have
meet
these
of
these
requirements
and
they
are
very
similar
in
nature.
So
I
won't
go
through
both
separately,
but
these
are
the
objectives
in
general,
for
both
at
the
districts
to
conserve
significant
cultural
heritage,
resources
ensured
me,
development,
insight,
alterations,
conserve
the
cultural
heritage,
value
conserve
and
enhance
and
appreciate
the
cultural
heritage,
values
and
ospa
and
attributes
of
the
district,
manage
change
and
provide
guidance
for
ongoing
maintenance
and
change
so
that
the
heritage
attributes
are
retained.
B
Each
of
the
districts
have
a
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value
to
reflect
each
of
the
conditions
in
the
districts.
It's
essentially
the
foundation
of
the
plan
that
outlines
the
reasons
that
the
Age
City
is
important,
and
this
statement
was
written
in
collaboration
with
the
working
group
so
for
lesser
Eibon
reinvade.
B
The
proposed
district,
the
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value
includes
is
noted
for
its
well
conserved
and
treeline
streetscapes
that
contain
a
variety
of
single-family
dwellings
and
opponents,
its
association
with
the
development
of
Sandy
Hill
and
its
home
to
civil
servants
and
businesspeople,
as
well
as
its
a
potential
value
as
containing
a
mix
of
examples
of
crema
and
Revival.
Gothic
Revival
and
early
to
mid
20th
century
prevalent
designs.
B
Just
to
go
over
a
few
of
the
heritage
attributes
in
the
lesser
range
road
district,
the
dense
tree
canopies,
unless
them
blackburn
avenue,
but
by
cutting
with
red
detailing
on
porches
and
brando's,
and
the
enhanced
public
realm
features
such
as
the
wrought
iron
fences
and
Mesquite.
Be
sloping,
Street
gradients.
B
Similarly,
for
the
statement
for
better
working
burg,
its
proposed
for
designation
as
a
variant
for
the
predominant
development
pattern
of
the
four
best
real
estate.
It's
well
conserved,
tree-lined
street
scape
continuum
and
exemple
many
examples
of
small-scale
apartment,
buildings,
warehouses
and
detached
drawings
and
with
architectural
value,
with
a
mix
of
potential
styles
and
again
just
a
couple
of
the
attributes.
B
The
early
20th
century
apartment
buildings
dense
tree
canopies,
Anzio,
Avenue,
Ambassador,
Street,
the
substantial
two
and
a
half
to
three
and
a
half
story
gable
with
as
a
venture
buildings
on
Merrill
rats
and
other
significant
landmark
buildings
such
as
the
Polish
Embassy
on
the
screen
before
you.
And
so
the
plan
also
outlines
a
number
of
policies
and
guidelines
are
the
purpose
of
the
policies
and
guidelines
to
show
the
requirements
of
the
entire
heard.
B
Eject
and
they're
meant
to
ensure
the
conservation
existing
properties
in
the
district,
the
policies
they
deal
with
general
policies
for
the
district
at
a
higher
level.
They
provide
policies
for
contributing
buildings
and
non-contributing
properties,
as
well
as
new
development,
landscape
and
streetscape
and
the
regulatory
process.
B
So,
in
general,
those
principles
deal
with
conserving
and
maintaining
the
cultural
heritage,
attributes
and
values
of
the
of
each
of
the
properties
and
the
district.
It
provides
policies
for
property
standards
as
well
as
demolition
of
contributing
buildings
and
non-contributing
Billings
and
most
the
heritage,
attributes
of
landscaping.
Streetscapes
will
be
conserved
and
enhanced.
B
B
Amendment
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment
have
been
adapted
for
315
Chapel
Street
to
a
further
construction
of
a
mixed-use
building
on
the
site
and
heritage
staff,
worked
very
closely
with
the
African
training
planning
process,
leading
up
to
the
approval
of
these
applications
to
ensure
the
cultural
heritage.
Value
of
the
historic
church
was
conserved
as
Hidde
staff
worked
with
the
applicant
and
properties
already
designated
under
perform.
The
Heritage
Act
and
a
heritage
permit
process
already
applies,
and
this
property
was
excluded
from
the
boundary
of
the
HCD.
B
And
addition,
during
the
development
of
the
HDD
plans,
the
Egyptian
embassy
approached
the
city
with
plans
to
redevelop
the
properties
at
452
and
455
area.
East
heritage
and
land
use
planners
have
been
working
with
the
Egyptian
embassy
and
its
consultants
for
more
than
a
year
to
ensure
that
the
proposal
would
be
compatible
with
the
proposed
district.
B
The
design
for
new
building
will
retain
the
property,
the
building
at
454
Laurier
and
construct
an
addition
to
it,
and
this
has
received
the
support
of
the
city
and,
as
a
result
of
this
prior
consultation,
the
two
properties
owned
by
them
by
the
embassy
have
been
deliberately
excluded
from
the
boundaries
of
the
West
Avenue
range
for
HTE.
To
avoid
further
procedures
away
and
procedure
related
with
this
redevelopment
project.
B
Sess
have
reviewed
the
plans
against
the
provincial
policy
statement,
the
Official
Plan
and
the
Heritage
Act,
and
has
determined
that
the
proposed
plans
are
consistent
with
these
documents.
Staff
are
recommending
approval
of
the
designation
of
the
proposed
districts
and
the
adoption
of
The
Associated
HCD
plans,
as
they
will
help
to
further
recognize,
celebrate
and
protect
the
important
cultural
heritage
character
of
Sandy
Hill,
and
should
the
plans
be
approved.
A
A
So
good
morning
and
welcome
to
the
subcommittee,
you
can
have
a
seat
here
and
the
way
this
work
is
public.
Allegations
have
up
to
five
minutes
to
speak.
I'll,
give
you
a
30-second
warning
if
you're
still
speaking
at
four
minutes,
30
seconds
and
over
to
okay.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
have
a
slide
presentation.
So
go
to
that.
A
So
the
first
picture
on
the
slide
is
my
house:
I
live
on
Russell
Avenue.
It
is
a
detached
single-family
home.
It
is
one
of
only
four
detached
single-family
homes.
That
purpose
on
the
street
I
feel
that
developments
that
have
taken
place,
particularly
unlawful
at
me,
but
within
the
conservation
district,
really
have
changed.
The
city
economic
demands
of
use
of
properties
in
the
area.
I,
don't
believe
that
for
many
of
these
homes,
such
as
my
own,
that
ongoing
use
of
that
home
is
a
single-family
home
I
will
be
viable
into
the
future.
A
We
have
a
particular
case
where
I
bought
this
house
for
my
mother's
estate.
She
had
bonded
in
1980.
You
can
see
it
there
is
it
constructed
in
1895
and
both
the
house
to
the
left
of
it
and
the
house
to
the
right
of
it
are
still
used
as
single-family
homes
and
there's
one
other
house
on
the
street.
That's
used
for
that
purpose,
but
we've
got
my
partner
like
Constance
who's.
A
A
That
means
can
we
go
to
the
next
slide?
Please
and
we'll
just
get
that.
That's
my
point.
That
means
that
it
needs
to
be
used
for
different
purpose.
Here
you
can
see
other
buildings
on
so
two
fours
down
for
me
is
a
very
large
is
that
in
12
apartments,
where
they've
prepped,
that
is
horrible,
that's
going
to
be
beside
the
point.
It's
not
in
keeping.
A
It
doesn't
look
great
and
I
point
out
that
part
of
the
reason
why
residents
go
along
with
some
of
these
developments
when
they
come
up
is
because
everybody
fears
these
homes
be
put
to
use
as
rooming
houses.
They
need
to
be
changed
to
be
put
to
good
use,
whether
it's
apartments,
your
whether
that's
something
else
it
should
be
then
in
keeping,
but
you
need
some
flexibility
in
order
to
to
make
it
viable
another
house.
There
is
also
on
Russell,
kitty-corner
and
Osgood
and
then
around
the
corner
of
that
large
development
for
students
next
slide,
please.
A
A
That's
me
and
my
stepsons
thumb
and
the
picture
on
the
third
floor
of
a
home
I
can't
we
will
add
up
there,
I'm
6
foot
2
that
worked
as
a
bedroom
for
me,
and
it's
worked
as
a
bedroom
for
some
of
our
kids
now,
but
I.
Think
even
kids
now
would
find
that
room
restrictive.
It's
not
really
viable
for
use.
A
Unless
you
go
up
a
bit
and
you
can
see
the
rich
light
of
my
house
on
the
left,
it's
lower
than
the
beautiful
house
next
door
to
me
or
owned
by
ABARES
Ruby,
and
then
you
can
see
that
new
development
much
higher
I
feel
that
there
should
be
some
flexibility
to
allow
some
wording.
That
would
say
something
like
your
join
in
keeping
with
heritage
nature
of
street,
but
not
strictly
existing
Ridgeline
next
slide.
Please
also
in
talking
no
loosely
with
my
neighbor
is
going
to
be
here
today.
A
Now
we've
talked
about
G
what
it
makes
sense,
some
time,
maybe
to
combine
our
properties
and
develop
it
into
some
way
that
it
could
be
nice
apartments.
I
didn't
mean
those
apartments
to
fit
to
fit
the
objectives
that
you
said
of
having
business
people
and
civil
servants
and
stuff
living
in
the
neighborhood.
To
do
that,
we'd
have
to
be
allowed
to
join
it
next
slide.
Please
so
I
note
that
your
poster-boy
property
on
the
cover
of
the
Heritage
Conservation
District
plan
document
is
a
building
that
is
two
separate
buildings
that
have
been
joined.
A
I
saw
this
happen
because
we've
had
that
home
in
our
family
for
a
long
time.
It
looks
fine
I
have
some
misgivings
about
the
interior
of
that,
but
that's
different
at
least
on
the
outside.
It
seems
to
fit
okay
next
slide.
Please
is
to
give
you
your
30
second
morning,
30
seconds
real,
fast,
Barry.
I'm.
A
Sorry,
you've
accused
yourself
from
this,
because
this
is
your
development
and
I
think
that
living
in
an
8
have
a
more
of
a
reason
to
be
on
this
committee
of
them
to
walk
away
because
I
think
you
should
be
there
saying
you
got
your
stake
in
it.
Another
infill
that
looks
great
like
joining
the
properties.
They
did
a
great
job
where
that's
just
across
the
street
from
this
heritage
district
in
the
Laurier
will
brought
one
next
slide.
A
Please
and
final
point
just
to
say:
I
think
that
we
really
benefit
us
folks
who
are
still
in
the
neighborhood
of
saying
the
family
homes
in
a
bill
yeah,
you
should
give
us
some
flexibility.
Thank
you,
okay.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
intervention.
Any
questions
for
mr.
spending.
No
okay,
okay,
counter
30
the
questions
death
arising
from
the
damage.
I.
A
A
B
A
You
would
the
objectives
that
were
highlighted
by
speaker
in
your
mind
could
be
achieved
with
obviously
some
some
criterias
relating
to
materials
and
some
of
the
exteriors
that
levy
courtesy.
That's
correct.
We
able,
for
the
for
the
previous
speaker
to
just
look
back
and
confirm
in
writing
their
statements,
just
so
that
right
now
we're
sitting
at
committee,
and
then
you
know
obviously
to
to
bring
some
certainty
or
some
some
priority
as
pretty
the
policies
are
not
for
the
city
to
be
able
to
provide
the
previous
speaker
with
written
with
written
classification.
A
B
A
B
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
would
note,
as
well
just
to
further
to
counter
queries
point
that
the
language
there
is
should
should
not
so
for
mister
Swettenham
as
well.
There
are
some
provisions
that
deal
with
shall
and
some
were
should
and
as
counsel
flurry
elucidated,
there
is
always
the
opportunity
for
applications
to
come
forward
to
amend,
Harwich
properties
and
staff
would
have
that
conversation
with
the
applicant
okay,
we're
gonna
go
to
our
next
speaker,
which
is
David
Fleming.
A
Good
morning,
welcome
in
the
secular,
my
name
is
Sherman.
There's
the
committee,
my
name
is
David
Fleming
I'm,
the
co-chair
of
the
Advocacy
Committee
for
Hermitage
Ottawa
I
am
pleased
to
speak
to
this
motion
this
matter.
It's
good
to
see
two
new
heritage
conservation
districts
coming
in
the
same
neighborhood
I.
A
My
experience
goes
back
to
the
darker
days
of
2002
with
the
collapse
of
the
big
green
buildings,
which
resulted
in
a
financial
settlement
which
we
needed
a
lot
of
the
research
to
damager,
create
new
heritage
conservation
districts,
I
think
both
reports
are
exceeded
and
they
will
help
with
the
management
development
of
these
crucial
areas.
You
will
know,
of
course,
that
there
has
been
a
number
of
development
proposals
course
in
detail
which
you
required
for
having
clearer
guidelines
and
for
the
the
latest
characteristics
of
the
stimulant.
A
A
A
B
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
as
I,
mentioned
in
their
presentation
during
the
development
of
BCD
plans.
We
embassy
did
approach
the
city
with
with
plans
to
redevelop
the
site
and,
and
we
have
been
working
with
closely
with
the
embassy
to
come
to
a
design
that
would
be
compatible
with
the
district,
and
we
did
make
a
commitment
to
the
embassy
that
this
design
would
be
supported
and,
as
a
result,
these
properties
were
excluded
from
the
boundary
to
allow
that
project
to
proceed
without
further
delay.
So.
B
B
A
We've
been
looking
with
embassy
for
quite
some
time,
probably
a
year
on
details.
We
didn't
resolve
the
design
of
this
plan
until
more
recently
I
hear
your
point.
We
could
have
potentially
flagged
a
little
bit
earlier
to
the
community
in
the
last
session,
but
until
the
design
was
to
apply
what
we
were
comfortable,
we
didn't
want
to
redesign
so
basically
what
we,
where.
A
Park,
Strathcona,
Park
and
basically
this
is
a
way
to
allow
this
development.
B
Birth
heritage
subcommittee
for
consideration
under
the
guidelines-
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I,
just
wanted
to
add
that
these
properties
are
still
located
within
the
semi,
her
character
area,
and
so
they
would
be
subject
to
the
design
guidelines
and
through
that
mechanism
and
the
official
collective
official
plan
and
the
proposed
HCD
plans
and
also
had
policies
for
adjacency.
So
there
would
be
a
cultural
heritage
impact
assuming
that
would
be
required
for
any
future
proposals
and
the
site.
Okay.
Thank
you.
That's
all
for
now.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you
comfortably
missus,
mr.
Kazan.
Thank
you
for
those
questions.
I
just
I
want
to
go
back
for
a
second,
so
we
are
working
on
a
live
application
from
the
Egyptian
embassy
and
I
understand.
I
will
privy
to
those
conversations
just
before
we
go
into
the
HDD
conversation
where
we
add
with
that
application,
so
I
believe
it
meets
the
zoning
it's
currently
being
reviewed
by
heritage
and
planning
staff,
and
it
would
require
site
plan
now,
as
part
of
that,
we've
asked
for
some
engagement
with
the
community
and
meeting
with
action,
Sandia
or
so
on.
A
So
where
are
we
in
that
process?
I
believe
that
there
is
some
continuing
to
work
on
the
design
that
didn't
necessarily
enable
follow
up
with
the
community,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
missing
the
window.
The
site
plan
is
to
advance
that
before
there's
a
community
touch
point
so
just
in
terms
of
clarity
relate
because
I
do
think
that
it
factors
into
the
HCD
conversation
is
roll
out
in
the
application.
A
At
what
point
can
we
engage
because
I
know
there's
been
an
initial
touch
point
of
a
script
one
commit:
can
we
go
back
to
a
communication
and
when
do
we
expect
the
site
plan
to
be
the
brought?
Not
silent?
I
only
been
used
to
it
finalized
because
we
do
I
always
go
by
the
authority.
Not
then
this
is
not
a
threat.
This
is
just
in
terms
of
process,
but
I'd
like
to
you
just
know
whether
that.
B
B
A
Thank
you
so
now,
on
the
HCD
front,
the
I'm
not
sure
I
understand
so
if
these
properties
will
include
it
in
in
DHCD,
what
would
be
the
change
to
the
process
that
we
just
highlighted
and,
in
my
mind,
I'm,
not
sure
that
I
see
one?
You
know
maybe
I'm
confused
as
part
of
a
review
say
if
we
were
just
to
clarify
my
question:
if
we
were
to
have
those
those
two
sites
which
are
the
Egyptian
to
see
included
it
in
the
HCD
today,
what
would
that
change.
B
B
A
So
I
understand
from
a
demolition
point
of
view
and
I
think
the
applicant
and
the
CEO
well
advanced
in
terms
of
demolition
of
one
of
the
properties,
the
protection
of
the
eastern
one,
the
one
that's
at
range
and
lawyer,
but
in
terms
of
the
characteristics,
the
guidelines
that
you
highlighted
in
new
presentation.
How
does
that
out
as
one
influence?
A
A
It's
fair
to
say
that
through
this
process
with
the
proponents
that
we
took
the
existing
Official
Plan
policies
and
directions
on
heritage-
and
they
also
knew
we
were
working
on
a
draft-
a
CD
and
we
put
that
lens
to
it
through
the
process
from
the
staff
perspective
and
so
we're
comfortable
with
the
proposals
before
us.
From
that
perspective,
given
the
fact
that
it's
not
an
HDD
today,
so
just
a
just
a
procedure,
so
I
know
we're
working
in
good
faith
with
the
applicant.
A
We
add
a
path
forward
if
you
will
on
the
protection
of
the
site
and
the
connection
of
the
both
sides.
I
get
those
conversations
in
the
context
where
we
have
a
stalemate
with
the
applicant
and
I.
Don't
foresee
that
because
it
seems
to
have
really
been
going
back
and
forth
and
working
well
in
adjusting
to
to
the
request
from
the
city
of
the
community.
A
But
if
we
will,
we
protect
the
city
a
little
more
in
including
it
in
the
HCD
relating
to
some
of
our
guidelines
and
standards
for
the
overall
community.
That's
where
I
get
confuses
like
right
now
we're
working
in
good
faith,
and
we
believe
that
you
know
most
of
the
issues
will
be
resolved.
This
part
I
process
in
the
instance
where
something
were
to
happen
and
there'd
be
a
different
of
difference.
Then,
when
have
those
properties
included
in
DHCD,
give
us
a
strong
policy.
A
A
They
will
certainly
tweak
and
change
things
through
the
site
plan
process
as
we
go
through
that
it
would
be
really
throwing
it
back
and
saying
you
not
go
through
a
new
bureaucratic
process
of
heritage
permit,
which
is
built
here,
subcommittee
plan
being
Council
that
they
don't
have
to
do
today,
so
that
that's
issue.
Okay,
maybe
we
can
just
a
final
clarity.
Oscar!
A
Would
the
standards
of
the
guidelines
and
character
of
the
community
hold
and
policy,
even
if
it's
not
included
in
the
HCD
for
those
part
for
that
specific
property
I'm
inventing
here,
because
I
don't
know
which
elements
of
the
guidelines
in
terms
of
the
the
cultural
heritage
character
area
that
if
it
is
like?
That's
a
red
brick,
for
example,
I'm
using
a
very
broad
term?
But
if
it's
red
beard
that
speaks
to
the
character
and
the
applicant
says
no
we're
not
doing
red
brick,
then
wouldn't
it
help
if
it
was
an
HDD
a.
B
A
So
I
guess
that's
my
point
like
is
there
a
way?
I
recognize,
there's
a
live
application
for
which
we
took
a
lot
of
effort
in
proceeding
and
again
I
am
very
confident
we
can.
We
can
get
to
a
final
resolution
and
I
don't
want
to
get
caught
up
in
you
know.
Staff
have
done
some
work.
The
applicant
is
then
some
work.
A
We
don't
want
to
reinitialize
a
process,
but
at
the
same
time
today
the
community's
asked
to
add
a
broad
range
of
additional
lenses
and
policies
that
protect
the
character
of
this
area
and
I
feel
it's
all
that
those
same
goals
when
the
play
in
policy
to
that
application.
So
is
the
a
way
forward
that
we
can
ensure
that
those
policy
applied
to
that
property
without
catching
it
on
on
the
demolition
site,
sir
mr.
Shaw
I,
don't
know
if
you
had
yeah
I
mean
I've
got
couple
of
ideas
in
an
attic
you.
A
A
So
once
the
buildings
are
done
and
everything
is
up
and
running,
I
think
for
the
next
generations
of
heritage
planners
and
members
of
the
vhs-c.
There
would
be
very
little
rationale
and
having
a
little
car
that
so
in
speaking
to
member
Smallwood,
about
this
before
I
can
say
on
his
behalf
that
he's
going
to
put
the
flow
in
motion
and
a
few
moments
proposing
that
we
had
those
two
properties
to
the
boundaries
of
the
Heritage
Conservation
District
upon
completion
of
this
particular
application.
A
Surely
efforts
should
be
made
as
far
as
possible
to
make
sure
that
this
application,
which
we
understand
as
well
through
and
well
involved
in
the
process,
should,
as
far
as
possible,
respect
the
policies
which
were
about
to
apply
for
the
rest
of
that
district.
So
that
would
be.
Maybe
staff
Direction
may
be
more
of
an
informal
appeal
to
vote
the
applicant
and
staff
to
make
sure
that
there
is.
There
is
comfort
there.
Sorry.
A
A
People
speak
to
adjacency
and
the
need
for
any
properties
that,
on
the
border
line
of
the
edge
Conservation
District,
to
be
to
be
obedience
with
the
HDD
policies
and
in
this
case,
being
on
the
proposal
line,
it
had
would
surely
is
nine
years
and
compliance
with
the
future
a
CD.
That's
very
important
clarification.
Thank
you.
Can
I
ask
number
smaller
to
introduces
motion
just
because
we're
on
this
topic
better.
A
Solution
would
be
as
followed
whereas
report
EC
s20
eighteen,
p,
IE
r,
h
year,
0,
1,
9
and
document
3
exempt
the
Embassy
of
Egypt
property
at
4:52
in
454
lawyer,
Avenue
East
from
the
boundary
of
the
proposed
wash
our
view.
The
main
road
Heritage
Conservation
District
and
as
the
owner
applied
for
building
permits
last
year
to
demolish
the
two-story
attach
to
öland
at
4:52,
o
am
east
and
construct
an
addition
to
the
category
2
50
for
long
yeast
and
whereas
the
development
is
also
subject
to
the
site.
A
Plan,
control
and
Pullman's
will
not
be
issued
until
an
application
has
been
submitted
and
then
agreement
has
been
registered
and
whereas
the
property
is
being
exempt
from
the
proposed
district
to
allow
the
development
to
proceed
and
whereas
started
staff
have
worked,
and
they
continue
to
work
with
the
owners
through
the
building,
permit
and
site
plan
control
processes.
To
ensure
compatibility
with
the
proposed
district.
Therefore
be
it
resolved
that
the
Heritage
subcommittee
recommend.
A
The
planning
committee
recommended
council
amend
the
staff
report
to
include
the
following:
animation
counsel:
direct
staff
upon
completion
of
construction
on
450
new
East,
in
accordance
with
the
approved
site
plan
agreement
to
pass
a
bylaw
Russell
Avenue,
which
Conservation
District
to
include
the
properties,
and
so
is
that
that's
clear
to
everyone.
So
the
idea
would
be
that,
after
this
building
is
constructed,
staff
would
go
ahead
and
amend
the
bylaws
to
erase
that
knotch
in
the
HDD
plan.
And
what
that
would
mean
is
you
know
from
that
point
onward?
A
A
Are
you
worried
that,
in
a
case
where
it
sits
there
for
five
years
that
there
wouldn't
be
potential
I
know
I'm
open
to
be
aware,
we've
air
court?
Do
you
have
any
thoughts
on
how
to
manage
that
chilly
understand
means
speaking
with
the
applicant.
The
last
week
is
that
their
intentions
are
to
just
as
MS
Kim
said,
to
bring
forward
the
building
application.
This
fall
looking
with
counselors
Larry's
office.
We
can
certainly
want
to
add,
facilitate
a
community
open
house
or
any
type
of
public
engagement.
The
counselor
desires
as
well.
A
A
A
A
Ferroelectrics
obviosuly
zoned
saw
a
port
on
the
galvanometers,
that's
GMA's,
Nilachal
Assad
second
consecutive
Kazak
atomic
in
zone,
a
safe
zone
that
occurred
Assad,
so
Bella
de
prata
jeeps
on
Kyra
be
a
character
sweaty
sweaty
pee
on
a
V
on
a
video,
successful
geometry,
seven
particular
flirty
Libous.
The
shakiness
is
on
a
letter,
a
veces,
honor,
Nefertiti
festivals,
and
it
will
ferrell,
analyse
the
sea
seduced
on
selection.
You
know
similarly
out
as
good
energy.
A
If
you
know
to
category
d,
todavÃa,
a
focus
on
tour
tickets
carries
on
Vega
villas
on
Johanna
Twitty,
the
don't
evaluate
Endicott
eg
CIPA
suppo,
sabotage
Pella
Salma
komotini
suprotec
Mozilla
Marco
envelop
SQL
don't
proceed,
sir
JP
of
the
mallet
I
like
UT.
A
company
I
really
think
that
these
additional
two
zones,
the
better
work
murdered
in
a
lesser
range
one,
are
really
good
in
adding
two
very
valuable
sections
of
Sanyo
to
the
five
existing
ones
that
have
shown
to
protect
the
character
of
the
community.
A
There
are
within
those
zones
individually
designated
property
which
have
additional
protection
and
then,
as
we
heard
from
the
from
one
of
the
speakers
today,
there
is
continued
willingness
to
continue
to
improve
properties
within
those
future
areas
and
living
it
with
an
existing
area.
So
now
there
are
criterias
that
are
in
place
that
can
help
end
the
city
and
any
property
owners
to
continue
to
to
improve
their
property,
but
at
the
same
time
protect
the
overall
character
of
San
Diego
itself,
so
I'm
I'm
quite
favorable
to
it.
A
I
we
saw
two
months
ago,
the
AllSaints
property
that
was
properly
handled
and
reviewed
by
this
edge
by
this
committee,
but
also
by
the
staff
and
then
obviously,
it's
good
to
bring
to
public
record
the
efforts
of
this
f
city
staff
and
the
applicant
relating
to
the
egyptian
embassy.
I'm
confident
that
we
are
going
to
see
something
that
will
be
supported
and
by
the
applicant
and
by
the
community
and
by
the
city
relating
to
that
specific
site.
So
I
want
to
thank
the
community.
I
want
to
thank
the
city.
A
I
think
that
these
traditional
zones
are
important.
They
they
are
an
effort
of
the
city
to
protect
the
valuable
assets.
The
built
form
assets
that
we
have
in
a
community
of
san
diego,
and
I
would
encourage
other
neighborhoods
to
continue
to
do
the
same
thing.
We've
had
as
I
said
in
French
five
existing
zones
that
have
worked
very
well
for
Santino
and
adding
those
to
continue
to
add
the
car
to
the
contribution
of
the
neighborhoods
in
meaningful
ways.
A
They
don't
stop
development
that
they
they
do,
support
the
overall
character
of
the
community
and
they
do
set
two
parameters
for
the
city
or
any
property
owner
as
we
as
we
come
forward
to
see
some
of
those
properties
that
are
departures.
That
would
be
some
of
the
original,
as
we
talked
about
or
some
of
the
the
various
opportunities
at
my
breasts
in
different
different
streets.
A
A
A
A
So
now
we're
going
to
move
on
to
our
next
and
of
item,
which
is
114,
Richmond
Road,
an
application
to
alter
the
former
sisters
or
the
visitation
monastery.
114
Richmond
Road,
a
papi
designate
in
the
park
for
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
So
we're
going
to
have
staff
to
open
this
item
with
a
short
presentation,
and
then
we
have
speakers
registered
on
the
side.
B
The
two
original
two-and-a-half
story
stone
house
was
built
in
1864
between
1864
and
1865.
Two
designs
purchased
by
Sidney
bells
foot
in
the
Gothic
Revival
style
is
one
of
the
number
of
Gothic
villas
on
large
rocks
on
which
made
that
four
members
of
Ottawa's
emerging
elite
in
1910.
The
property
was
sold
to
the
sisters
of
the
visitation,
which
was
a
cloistered
order
from
France
whose
members
devoted
their
lives
to
prayer.
B
The
subject
property
was
designated
in
2010
and
the
first
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value
has
been
included
as
part
of
the
report.
I'll
just
note
a
few
of
the
significant
attributes
of
the
site.
The
attributes
of
the
stone
house
included,
C
Perpetual
with
narrow
gable,
moved
dollars,
the
east-facing
Blanda,
the
decorative
bought
arch
board,
stone
coins,
Andrew
Suarez
and
the
interior
central
staircase.
B
The
attributes
of
the
monastery
included
two
storey
stone
construction,
the
pattern
of
flowerbeds
within
the
central
courtroom,
the
high
hit
metal
cloud
roof
with
gable
and
triangular
dormers.
The
bell
cot,
in
which
facing
plan
with
winds,
arranged
around
the
central
court,
lab
that's
enclosed
on
four
sides
and
the
chapel
with
its
interior
volume
and
pointed
arch
windows.
I
have
the
grounds
and
the
large
landers
and
remnants
of
gardens
within
the
property
are
also
included
in
statement.
As
a
portion
of
the
sisters
daily
life
was
devoted
to
out
day
recreation.
B
Within
these
a
suspicious
outdoor
areas,
I
suggest
a
bit
of
background.
The
applicant
previously
submitted
a
proposal
which
included
an
office
building
that
was
proposed
in
the
center
of
the
court
load,
and
this
is
not
supported
by
staff,
as
it
would
have
resulted
in
the
loss
of
a
significant
portion
of
the
Heritage
fabric
and
negatively
impact
the
cultural
heritage
value
of
the
Senate.
B
This
application,
before
the
community
name,
is
for
a
9mu
nine
story
about
great
addition
to
the
existing
monastery
and
the
adaptive
reuse
of
the
interior
of
the
remaining
structure,
as
well
as
the
restoration
of
the
historic
elements
of
the
building,
and
this
is
the
site
plan
showing
the
location
of
the
proposed
scope
of
work
associated
with
the
application.
And
the
proposal
is
part
of
a
larger
complex,
which
will
eventually
consist
of
two
additional
buildings
on
the
site.
B
The
proposal
includes
request
to
remove
the
southern
foot
packs
of
the
West
Wing
and
the
entire
one-story
cycling
in
order
to
construct
the
l-shaped
addition
to
the
formal
monastery,
as
well
as
raising
the
courtyard
to
align
with
the
first
third
of
the
illusion
of
building
beneath
the
l-shaped
building.
In
the
days
there
will
be
two
levels
of
poking.
B
In
addition
to
the
remover
beneath
the
internet,
phishing
Bella
windows
would
be
removed
and
replaced
by
long
contemporary
Bellman's
wipe
the
Attic
of
the
attic
story
of
the
historic
building
in
terms
of
restoration.
The
key
heritage
attributes
of
the
former
monastery
would
be
restored,
including
the
existing
tin
roof
and
the
remaining
original
windows
without
pot.
The
barge
board
and
the
stone
walls
at
the
Kaiba
dome
is
on
the
outside,
roof
slope
will
be
restored
and
new
sympathetic
windows
will
be
inserted
where
the
originals
had
been
replaced.
B
How
this
proposal
includes
a
nine-story
addition
to
be
located
to
the
south
of
the
historic
monastery
between
between
the
monastery
and
and
development
plan
for
the
south
I'm
a
remainder
of
the
vacant
person.
The
addition
will
be
clouded
smooth,
dressed
stone
and
Mesa
needs
a
compliment.
The
rough
cut
stone
of
the
former
monastery
on
the
lower
six
floors
was
the
upper
recessed
floors
would
be
primarily
glazed.
The
proposed
building
has
a
combination
of
recessed
and
projecting
balconies,
and
the
southeast
corner
is
set
on
columns
to
allow
for
firewood.
B
The
proposed
addition
will
be
connected
to
the
former
monastery
by
a
two-story
glass
link.
That's
2.5
metres
wide,
which
serves
to
clearly
demarcate
the
transition
from
old
from
above
into
the
new
building
from
here.
The
proposed
building
steps
back
from
four
stories
to
six
and
to
nine
at
its
maximum
height
the
removal
of
the
one-story
south
wing.
That
means
that
the
proposed
interior
courtyard
will
not
be
fully
enclosed.
B
However,
a
one-story
stone
wall
to
the
plates,
every
claim
stone
from
the
west
wing
will
be
located
on
the
footprint
of
the
former
South
Main
to
create
a
sense
of
enclosure.
Additionally,
below
two
stories
of
the
West
interior
wall
will
be
constructed
of
salvaged
stone
as
a
visual
reminder
of
the
spaces
former
character.
B
The
distinctive
pattern
of
the
fire
beds
of
the
historic
courtyard
will
be
recreated
in
the
new
courtyard
and
when
a
planting
plan
is
developed
for
the
courtyard
gardens,
a
separate
heritage
permit
under
we'll
be
issued,
and
so
the
readings
on
violin
Avenue
towards
Richmond
Road.
The
proposed
addition
is
accessible
to
pedestrians
through
a
column
in
between
the
future
buildings
at
the
self
and
the
image
at
the
top
of
the
screen
shows
that
we
chose
the
reclaim
stonewall
connecting
the
old
and
new
court
loads,
and
the
bottom
image
shows
the
colonnade.
B
So
staff
have
reviewed
this
proposal
against
parks,
Canada's
standards
and
guidelines.
I
won't
go
into
them
in
detail
that
we
applicable
standards
and
guidelines
for
this
proposal
on
the
screen
before
you
staffer
satisfied
that
the
proposal
generally
respects
the
standards
and
guidelines
by
conserving
the
Heritage
Place
funding,
an
appropriate
in
use
for
this
important
property
and
sensitively,
locating
a
distinct
and
appropriately
designed
addition
to
a
complex,
a
cultural
heritage.
B
The
cheese
included
a
number
of
recommendations,
including
the
thoughtful
design
of
connections
between
existing
and
careful
detailing
of
the
step
back
section
of
the
addition
staff
rabbits
work
with
the
applicant
to
widen
the
proposed
Graf's
connection
at
the
junction
of
the
monastery
and
Edition,
including
most
Affleck,
worked
with
the
applicant
to
reinstate
the
profile
of
the
hip
roof.
The
west
wing.
B
A
A
B
A
The
short
end
of
the
l-shape
of
the
new
construction
extends
beyond
that
the
fitment
and
the
building
envelope
of
the
existing
ring.
It
proposes
to
replace
it's
totally
out
of
scale
with
the
existing
building
and
extends
the
nine
story
component
to
the
north.
Beyond
there
that
had
been
a
zone
for
nine
stories
in
New
Zealand
viola,
we
recommend
that
our
suggests
a
greater
and
more
distinct
separation
is
required
between
the
existing
building
and
any
proposed
addition
or
construction
to
the
site.
A
We
find
that
the
alignment
of
the
nine
story,
residential
module,
is
the
truth.
Stefan
West.
It
was
immediately
support
via
serious
recommendation
to
reduce
that.
We
recommend
that
the
best
elevation
of
the
nine-story
building
be
aligned
with
the
existing
rest
phase
of
the
chapel,
and
this
would
reduce
its
mass
considerably.
A
We
also
had
led
to
recommend
a
more
explicit,
discrete
connection
to
differentiate
new
construction
from
existing
and
to
allow
the
monastery
to
continue
to
read
as
a
separate
building.
It
is
overwhelmed
by
the
proposed
building
and
especially
that
connection
of
the
the
old
connection
to
the
existing
living.
So,
in
short,
we
are
opposed
to
the
demolition
of
the
restroom
and
we
recommend
significant
design
refinements
to
the
nernst,
a
building
with
rejected,
minimising
the
impact
of
its
form
and
massing
on
the
existing
heritage
burden.
Thank
you,
okay.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
The
submission
any
questions
from
the
Serb
Council
Ypres,
really
quickly.
The
when
I
take
a
look
at
the
North
elevation,
so
that
gives
me
the
face
of
the
front
of
the
convent
and
I
get
a
view
of
what
is
on
either
side
that
western
extension
beyond
the
building
envelope
of
the
convent
seems
pretty
minimal
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
the
discomfort
there
I
certainly
understand
the
discomfort
with
the
the
best
of
it.
Thank
you,
that's
exactly
what
I'm
looking
at
is.
A
It
is
that
a
meaningful
difference
between
the
faces
of
the
buildings
given
the
master,
it
is
it's,
it
simply
wishes
that
the
heritage
building
too
much
it
Billy
raises
itself
on
it.
So
it's
partly
the
extension
to
the
rest,
but
more
specifically
the
height
yeah.
So
if
it
were
to
extend
a
little
bit
and
I
hope
between
now
and
planning
committee,
we
might
be
able
to
reduce
the
the
the
bulk
of
that
extension
from
the
previously
approved
line
story
into
this.
A
One
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
would
be
comfortable
if
there
was
a
little
bit
an
extension
that
that's
not
overly
problematic
for
you.
I
would
say
that
the
the
destruction
and
intrusion
into
the
existing
waving
at
the
modern
building
is
a
the
biggest
issue
that
the
it's
also
the
height
of
that
extension,
which
I
think
I
mean
it
it.
Just
it's
hard
it's
hard
to
picture
and
say
I
want
to
understand
from
the
the
architects
and
the
proponents
from
whom
I
I
know
we're
here.
A
Why
they're
proposing
so
much
density
with
respect
to
that
extension
into
the
convent?
Are
there
trade-offs
here
for
presume
finally
having
a
plan
that
will
preserve
that
convent
versus
additional
density
is
earning
trade-off
with
which
heritage?
All?
What
conveyed,
if
you
are
convinced
of
the
necessity,
certainly
appreciate
the
book.
The
staff
is
able
to
do
to
be
bringing
this
forward.
Dependents
are
in
general,
much
more
much
less
appropriate,
and
so
it
would
be,
as
I
said,
there's
a
lot,
but
it
had
to
be
changed.
A
Iv
tape
to
to
make
us
feel
comfortable
with
respect
the
did.
He
appreciate
that
the
wave
in
itself
will
be
restored
and
I
guess
I
forgot
to
mention,
and
they
need
a
lot
dealing
at
the
holding
his
own.
A
holding
zone
is
proposed
in
the
zoning
bylaw,
and
then
that
will
be
coming
for
the
to
planning
committee
at
the
same
time
as
this
goes
to
plan
and
committee,
and
that
will
certainly
be
there
to
have
supported
the
holding
zone
is
to
ensure
that
work.
A
Any
extensive
work
is
done
on
the
nine
story
part.
So
that's
a
big
improvement
over
the
existing
situation.
I,
don't
know
that
I
can
commit
her
to
try
to
attract
anything
specific,
but
it's
it's
that
it
needs
to
be
pushed
back
and
more
of
a
more
sensitive
transition
between
the
heritage
building
and
the
nice
ovation.
As
that
needed
look,
put
a
connection
between
those
two
buildings
are
because,
if
I
understand
why
this
is
viable
is
reconnecting,
the
the
HVAC
a
connection
between
the
buildings.
Well,
that.
A
A
Think
there's
been
a
successful
integration
of
a
high-rise
building
behind
the
Bethany
Hope
Center
on
Wellington
Street.
There's
a
separation
I,
don't
know
that
the
distance
is
that
it's
a
conservative
separation.
There
is
a
link,
but
it
does
not
exceed
the
of
the
refun
of
the
heritage
Odin.
So,
although
the
the
daily
is
is
I
think
it's
16
stories
and
it's
set
back
enough
from
the
Bethany
hip
center
that
it
doesn't
seem
to
completely
overwhelm
it.
Okay,
thanks,
Thank
You,
Jane.
A
A
We
put
stuff
yeah,
which
is
the
okay,
could
I.
Thank
you
sure,
I'm
presenting
as
an
individual,
because
I've
been
personally
involved
with
this
building
I've
lived
in
Kissimmee
for
1444
years
and
contributed
to
the
designation
of
three
West
Bay
landmarks:
nezam,
gender,
the
visitation
Manas
regard
new
school
I've
studied
and
tiered
the
entire
building
here
I
identified
the
architect
of
the
1864
house
and
is
a
party
to
the
conservation
where
people
are
gearing
contributing
to
the
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value.
This
picture
shows
the
key
areas
of
the
buildings
which
I'll
discuss.
A
The
1864
has
in
orange,
the
1913
monastry
and
a
part
of
which
is
to
be
demolished.
The
cargo
around
the
courtyard
in
turquoise,
the
making
a
monastic
waits
for
much
of
which
will
be
demolished
and
the
chaplain
men's
choir
in
red,
which
was
actually
a
Gothic
style
edition
with
the
land.
A
porch
and
balcony
in
yellow
the
house.
A
The
Heritage
designated
interior
volume
of
the
chapel
is
proposed
to
become
a
restaurant,
but
there
are
to
be
other
large
means.
Their
space
is
used
by
the
money's.
That
may
also
remain
intact,
as
Western
Bay
lies
that
undo
manatee
spaces.
This
would
a
true
interpretation
of
the
monastic
life.
They
are
here,
the
refectory
Agana
in
the
men's
choir
and
the
nuns
community
in
basement
spaces
such
as
the
lumber
in
each
setting.
They
also
find
new
uses
such
as
a
gym
the
pattern
courtyard
in
the
wall
surrounding
it.
It
is
a
significant
monastic
future
there.
A
The
court
is
to
be
raised
to
mean
fear
level
and
a
substantial
part
of
the
amazing
well
in
part
or
is
to
be
demolished.
I
would
like
to
see
recovered
still
news,
not
only
in
the
new
West
law
has
proposed,
but
also
to
indicate
both
sides
of
the
original
South
Corridor,
even
if
only
to
the
low
wall.
The
configuration
of
the
the
monastry
relates
to
an
earlier
monastery
now
lost
unless
Wellington
formally,
which
we
laid
for
the
Capuchin
monks,
it's
in
Francis
of
Assisi
church.
A
This
may
also
suggest
that
that
church's
architect,
Charles
Berger,
was
also
architected
the
visitation
monastery
and
or
the
chapel,
but
it
also
represents
the
important
history
of
convents
and
monasteries
all
over
Ottawa
in
the
development.
So
far
as
some
important
public
views
have
been
preserved,
as
shown
in
red
on
this
diagram,
and
these
must
continue
to
be
protected.
A
The
key
from
the
rest
of
us
dispute,
though
this
includes,
are
going
to
yet
be
paid
to
be
demolished
in
the
nuns
works
in
the
southeast
V's
from
the
West
archway
in
Richmond
grade
IV
from
the
east
archway
and
from
the
driveway
latent
errors.
However,
this
last
few
is
to
be
compromised
by
the
new
dating
over
it,
which
it's
well
swing
out
of
scale
with
the
monastry.
A
According
to
this
EHRs-
and
this
has
already
happened
with
some
beers
from
the
south,
as
you
see
here,
I
do
not
see
why
the
desired
phase
could
not
be
achieved.
It
in
the
footprint
of
the
dating
Felix
rezoning
is
already
appears
outline
at
the
bottom.
This
would
have
allowed
a
lower
heightened
beside
that
spirit.
The
monastry,
even
better,
the
Southwest
monetary
link
really
constructed
to
preserve
the
historic
configuration
of
the
monastry
in
relation
to
its
Cotillard
in
surroundings.
A
In
summary,
this
dating
should
be
treated
as
a
desperate
landmark
and
its
largest
heritage,
building,
keychains
ski
that
links
to
the
founding
of
s,
bear
as
ski.
It
smells
it's
part
of
the
sequence
of
heritage
buildings
along
West
Ellington
in
Richmond
Road,
which
was
once
all
in
the
pan
and
all
visual
grade.
The
monastry
portion
also
represents
the
formation
of
the
Roman
Catholic
residents
in
the
West
End,
repeating
the
founding
of
some
churches,
parish
in
1923,
and
the
first
stop
on
the
famous
visit
to
Ottawa.
A
The
venerated
statue
had
not
read
MD
cap
during
the
huge
male
income
disappointing
37,
while
many
elements
of
the
plan
preserve
important
spaces
and
features
in
you
uses,
it's
still
a
disappointment
to
leave
a
substantial
part
of
the
1913
monastic
building
and
the
close
to
light
are
there
with
its
goes
to
the
courtyard
on
all
four
sides.
Thank
you.
A
A
This
I've
seen
the
outline
in
red
bags
at
the
bottom,
which
is
taken
from
the
the
previously
language
I
believe,
is
the
awning,
and
it
has
different
numbers
of
clothes
going
up
to
nine
stays
but
contained
within
that
red
line
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
footprint
of
the
new
building
is
a
bit
narrower
than
why
that
small
number
of
additional
see
the
outside
the
red
dotted
line
on
the
left-hand
side
are
needed.
If
the
amount
of
floor
stays
the
same
amount
of
players,
they
could
have
achieved
within
the
footprint
which
they
already
have.
A
Zoning
included
sorry
liking
the
red
square.
The
red
bottom
line,
you're
saying,
is
existing
getting.
That
is
the
PD
zoning
of
evil.
For
the
for
the
debating
south
of
the
monastry.
As
you
can
see,
it
is
not
aligned
with
the
monastry.
It
was
actually
aligned
with
the
other
failings
and
would
buy
an
avenue
and
say
what's
happened
here.
Is
that
this
fading,
in
addition
to
being
extended
on
the
left
side,
replace
that
part
of
the
monastry
is
everything
they
painted
slightly,
so
it
it
closes
in
the
this
space
be
a
little
bit.
A
So
you
are
making
the
argument
that
if
you
could
have
your
gutters,
you
would
have
liked
to
have
seen
the
application
absorb
more
of
the
space,
but
then
they
that
rectangle
yellow-eyed
in
order
to
either
lower
the
heights
a
bit
more
or
even
not
how
to
replace
that
portion
of
the
ugly
of
the
West
Wing
of
the
monastery.
So
to
be
provocative,
you
don't
think
much
of
heritage,
otherwise
concerns
with
the
Western
protrusion
beyond
the
chapel
hood
I.
A
Haven't
you
heard
that
I'm
in
support
of
the
Heritage
Area
position
and
the
position
of
the
CHP
is
that
this
addition
is
out
of
scared
at
the
monastry
and
particularly
where
it
touches
it?
You
can
see
on
this
plan
that
have
the
bathing
does
extend
beyond
in
the
chapel.
If
you
go
align
down
an
example,
you
see
there's
a
fair
chunk
of
innovating.
If
you've
got
to
be
on
that
line,
I
get
that,
but
I
don't
understand.
A
Aren't
you
contradicting
yourself
on
the
one
hand,
you're
saying
take
up
the
red
rectangle,
but
at
the
same
time,
you're
saying
but
don't
retrieve
rest
of
the
child
I
think
it's
a
different
question,
because
the
original
red
line
was
an
entirely
separate
building
not
connected
to
the
monastery
and
I.
Think
the
point
that
made
by
Linda
was
that
it's
because
there's
bathing
is
intimately
connected
to
the
monastry,
albeit
with
that
you
might
be
a
bit
metre
wide,
air-gap
glass
gap.
A
The
join
is,
but
it
still
is
to
be
viewed
very
much
as
a
piece
of
the
monastry,
particularly
when
you're
looking
from
the
from
the
West.
Okay.
I
understand
that.
Thank
you.
Okay,
any
other
questions
for
mr.
gene,
seeing
none
I
want
to
thank
you
and
I
want
to.
Thank
you
because
clearly,
that
was
a
lot
of
work
to
put
that
presentation
together
and
I
thought
it
was
very
helpful
and
elucidating.
So
thank
you
for
that.
A
Obviously,
and
a
resident
of
the
existing
Q
s,
development
I'm,
also
a
practicing
architect,
unlike
some
elect
a
percent
two
arguments
is
one-
is
the
increase
of
density
in
the
site,
and
one
is
the
the
process
that
we're
going
through
right
now
in
some
levels
that
actually
support
the
application.
As
its
presented
I
think
the
adaptive
reuse
of
the
monastery
is
commendable.
A
I
think
the
connecting
masses
in
in
some
ways
gives
it
a
more
complex
and
layered
and
interesting
development.
I
think
the
preservation
of
historic
elements,
aside
from
the
what
the
widow's
walk
is,
is
actually
commendable.
I
do
have
a
problem
with
the
fact
that
this
application
is
outside
you
permitted
zone
application
and
that
it's
a
significant
increase
in
the
density.
A
There
is
no
application
for
this
density
increase,
there's
been
no
public
consultation
or
circulation,
or
discussion
and
there's
been
zoning
schedule
was
submitted
with
the
application.
My
f
fear
moving
forward
with
this
application
is
that
gradually
this
is
approval.
Now
we'll
give
a
fait
accompli
in
our
planning
or
rezoning
applications.
It's
really
a
cart
before
the
horse
scenario
and
I
believe
that
we
will
be
baking
in
the
increased
density
on
this
site.
I.
A
This
at
this
area
here,
where
we're
building
over
the
existing
monastery
was
given
that
the
public
consultation
meeting
was
required
to
provide
services
to
the
monastery.
That's
totally
not
true.
It's
basically,
in
my
mind,
is
zoning
and
land
grab
I,
backed
by
the
applicant,
the
Heritage
Act
guidelines,
section
four,
three
two
one
noted
and
the
application.
The
report
discusses
the
importance
of
million
and,
lastly,
of
the
two
structures
and
I
pretend
that
this
does
not
convey
the
two
masses
at
all.
In
fact,
this
application
exacerbates
this
this
future.
A
The
applicant
is
actually
using
this
technique
in
this
hole.
This
is
the
religion.
This
is
the
zoning
schedule.
That's
approved
for
the
site.
This
is
the
increase
in
last
in
the
center
is
the
increased
density
that's
being
proposed,
and
this
is
the
increase
in
density
in
the
top
left-hand
corner
and
the
center
section
of
the
red
bars
is
the
increase
in
density
proposed.
A
Yuval
site
that
is
hard
to
see
in
this
site
that,
in
the
center
of
the
area
designated
a
is
a
30%
increase
in
the
density
proposed,
is
the
it's
the
top
center
section,
which
is
increased
in
height,
that's
being
proposed,
seeing
as
the
increased
every
four
storey
limitations
on
the
site.
D
is
the
increase
from
fortunately,
six
storeys
and
E
is
the
increase
from
four
to
five
it,
possibly
arguably
six
storeys.
A
So
the
applicant
is
making
applications
to
increase
the
densities,
so
in
all
phases-
and
this
is
a
resin
to
being
because
problem
with
this
application-
you'll
see
the
big
arrow
in
the
center
left-hand
side
of
the
site.
That
is
where
the
parking
and
your
access
will
be
directing
headlights
directly
into
the
existing
residential
units,
which
is
a
separate
issue.
A
That's
what
you've
got
30
seconds:
okay,
I
do
have
two
recommendations
to
the
committee
and
that
what
is
that,
if
we
agree
to
this
type
of
proposal,
that
the
increased
density
of
this
aspect
we
offset
against
any
increase
in
the
future
southern
part
of
the
site
and
at
the
east
set
aside
the
appealing
of
this,
because
it's
the
fact
that
approval
until
you
read
this
rezoning
increases
have
been
addressed
in
public.
Thank
you
very
much
operator
timing.
I'm
many
questions
for
mr.
Smith
see
none.
A
A
A
My
name
is
Lauren
Cutler
I'm,
the
president
of
the
hemp
tonight,
which
is
the
community
in
which
this
development
lies,
and
my
presentation
when,
in
my
people
on
my
board,
asked
me
how
long
it
took
me
to
put
my
letter
together
and
I
said
it
was
either
a
few
hours
or
it
was
ten
years,
because
that's
how
long
we've
been
dealing
with
this
development
as
a
community
association
first
I'll
address
the
historic
restoration.
We
are
not
experts
in
this
field,
this
adaptive
restoration.
A
We
do
not
have
a
problem
with
per
se
if
this
is
the
best
way
of
adapting
the
convent.
We
understand
that
where
we
do
have
a
problem,
as
other
speakers
have
said,
is
with
this
significant
increase
in
the
massing
I'm
glad
to
see
that
there's
been
a
variety
of
the
schematic
shown
here
today,
because
the
staff
report
only
showed
the
link
and
made
it
look
like.
It
was
two
stories,
so
you've
all
had
a
chance
to
see
how
significant
this
massing
is
on
the
monastery.
A
So
there's
been
significant
comment
on
that.
The
only
other
comment
I
would
like
to
add
with
respect
to
this
massing
for
those
who
perhaps
didn't
heed.
The
75
page
report
from
Ashcroft
is
from
an
architect
that
says
the
nine
story
section
of
the
proposed
addition,
which
is
attached
to
the
remainder
of
the
West
Wing,
is
very
other
scale
compared
to
the
scale
of
the
monastery.
Attempts
have
been
made
by
the
design
team
to
implement
setbacks
that
the
connection
point
to
reduce
the
impact.
A
The
large
scale
of
the
additional
moderately
contradicts
the
minimal
information
intervention
standard
for
Historic
Places.
This
was
the
the
architect
for
s
Croft.
The
heritage
architect
is
basically
saying
that
they,
he
does
not
agree
with
what
is
being
proposed
and
the
impact
it
will
have
on
the
heritage.
Designation
I'd
also
like
to
contrast
this
with
the
old
lade
lands
in
Ottawa
East.
That
is
a
30
acre
site,
which
is
having
1,500
units
of
residential
news
being
put
in.
A
This
is
a
five
acre
site
with
about
600,
so
you
can
use,
do
the
math
to
see
the
level
of
density,
but
on
the
oblate
land,
the
shadowing
building
is
being
celebrated,
not
hidden
from
view.
My
other
concerns
are
with
respect
to
the
uses
the
proposed
uses
of
the
monastery
for
years.
We
have
been
told
that
these
on
community
use
in
the
monastery
that
has
not
happened.
We're
not
aware
that
there's
been
any
substantive
discussions
with
the
community
on
potential
community
uses.
A
This
was
a
commitment
made
by
the
developer,
to
both
the
city
and
to
the
neighborhood
through
the
minutes
of
settlement
subsequent
to
a
known,
be
challenge,
but
also
the
appellant.
The
applicants
is
saying
that
they're
going
to
be
putting
in
restaurants
and
residential
units
and
being
beasts
when
this
first
came
forward
for
approval
million
years
ago.
A
restricted
use
at
that
time
was
for
hotel
space
B&B.
Maybe
is
only
formalizing
the
fact
that
several
of
the
units
at
Keywest
are
already
being
used
for
Airbnb.
A
Several
cities
are
starting
to
treat
a
of
the
NBS
hotels,
I,
don't
know
if
other
was
going
to
go
in
that
direction,
but
it
looks
like
we're
going
to
have
hotel
units
here,
whether
there
see
you
leo
by
a
company
that
has
several
units,
so
I
am
concerned
about
that
use.
Secondly,
the
suggestion
that
there's
going
to
be
restaurants
in
the
monastery
we've
been
hearing
about
these
restaurants.
For
ten
years
now
there
have
been
three
restaurants
in
the
development
along
Richmond
Road.
They
have
all
closed.
A
One
of
them
was
closed
because
they
went
payments
a
coffee
shop,
and
that
was
in
for
the
labor
I
think
a
year
and
a
half
which,
from
management
I
was
told,
was
even
owned
by
Ashcroft
was
closed
due
to
lack
of
business,
really
seeing
a
proposal
where
restaurants
are
going
to
go
behind
a
nine
story:
wall
on
the
north
side
and
on
the
south
side
there
will
not
have
any
visibility
from
Richmond
Road.
How
are
people
going
to
find
these
restaurants?
So
people
come
in
from
outside?
A
The
neighborhood
are
not
likely
to
be
going
to
these
restaurants,
and
even
people
within
the
neighborhood
I
believe
there
is
a
general
reluctance
in
the
neighborhood
just
a
30-second
warning
to
visit
businesses
in
this
complex
because
of
their
dislike
of
the
developer,
and
the
history
of
that
is
the
e
restaurants
that
have
gone
out
of
business.
So
I
am
concerned
if
the
restoration
is
dependent
upon
the
use
of
the
building
I'm,
not
against
a
restaurant
per
se,
but
I
am
skeptical.
A
It
will
happen
in
my
submission
I'm
in
number
of
recommendations,
including
at
the
NASA,
not
go
ahead,
that
there
be
a
holding
zone.
Put
on
this
to
ensure
that
the
historic
restoration
does
a
court
before
it's
just
second
building
for
the
condo
behind
it
can
be
built.
So
consider
my
comments
that
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Questions
for
mr.
Cutler
I
see
councillor
Lieber
thanks.
A
Sure
I
think
this
might
be
a
good
moment
to
pause,
because
when
I
take,
all
the
materials
are
available
to
the
committee,
and
some
members
of
the
committee
may
know
this
property
well,
but
could
you
situate
where
this
building
is
in
terms
of
visibility
from
anywhere
else,
particularly
once
the
the
second
stage
of
this
redevelopment
has
put
in
near
byron
where
you're
actually
going
to
see
this
content
from?
You
cannot
see
a
filament
load
up
through
the
two
arches
and
me
only
one
arch
goes
onto
the
contents
from
the
South.
A
A
The
building
on
the
south
side
is
supposed
to
have
an
archway
through
it
when
the
building
is
parallel
to
by
them,
and
the
convent
was
on
an
angle.
Someone
walking
by
could
look
through
the
archway
and
see
the
building
through
the
archway,
not
a
lot
of
the
building,
but
you
could
see
it
through
the
archway
if
the
building
is
now
going
to
building
the
the
condo
is
going
to
be
on
an
angle.
If
you
looking
through
the
archway,
which
is
now
unable
to
the
convex,
it's
going
to
I
would
imagine
change
the
views
significantly.
A
If
you
go
to
the
schoolyard,
you
would
be
able
to
see
the
building
and
if
you
look
and
if
you
live
in
a
few
houses
on
Leighton
Terrace
you'll
be
able
to
see
the
building
and
your
second
floor
other
than
that,
the
condo
is
going
to
be
completely
masked
previously
is
behind
a
15-foot
walk.
So
if
you're
far
enough
back,
you
could
easily
see
over
the
wall
to
the
back
to
the
convent
behind
the
nine
story.
Builders,
maybe
no
visibility
from
the
north
or
south
unless
you
are
on
the
grounds
and
right
next
to
it.
A
So
the
community's
skepticism,
with
respect
to
commercial
uses
in
this
location
comes
fundamentally
down
to
the
point
that
you
can't
actually
see
it
from
any
way.
You
can't
see
it
and
restaurant
uses
that
we're
very
visible
in
Richmond
made
or
Windhoek
yeah.
You
have
three
examples
of
restaurants
that
did
not
survive.
There's
some
question
about.
A
Why
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
because
there's
a
lack
of
demand,
but
well,
you
already
have
a
market
at
600
existing
units
like
300,
on
the
north
side
of
Richmond
Road
between
the
two
ash
Park
buildings
and
another
300
in
the
first
condo
on
the
via
City
to
visit
som
lands,
and
there
are
no
coffee
shops
for
a
couple
of
blocks
in
either
directions.
So
two
went
broke
already
with
essentially
600
units
surrounding
it.
A
The
no
I
am
perhaps
I
could
try
to
understand
a
little
bit
better
more
clearly,
it
doesn't
sound
like
Veatch
ICG.
The
community
association
is
necessarily
opposed
to
a
partial
demolition.
If
that
results
in
preserving
the
convent,
no
I,
don't
think
I,
don't
think
we
are
and
we're
not
experts
in
this
area.
We
recognize
that
there
is
a
cost
to
maintaining
historic
building,
and
particularly
if
there
are
technical
issues
with
respect
to
the
HVAC
system,
not
performing
unless
you
connect
it,
and
then
that
is
not
the
major
issue
for
us.
A
A
It
can
be
a
variety
of
uses
in
the
minutes
of
settlement.
It
was
not
restrictive,
it
did
allow
for
not
for
profit
organizations
to
go
in
I,
actually
thought
and
I.
Think
colleagues
to
the
east
of
me
would
disagree
that
with
a
good
restoration,
this
might
have
been
an
excellent
site
library
in
the
West
End
instead
of
Rosemount
we've
had
that
discussion,
but
that
would
have
been
a
community
is
where
I
might
have
involved
closing
in
the
garden
public
meeting
space
in
the
chapel.
A
You
know
the
initiative
thought
that
might
be
possible,
but
we've
had
no
discussion
on
community
use.
One
of
the
discussions
that
have
been
having
with
Ashcroft
has
been
around
the
provision
of
affordable
housing
units
would
that
be
considered
an
offset
to
the
requirements
that
you
have
with
the
developer
to
provide
for
our
community
space.
A
That
is
not
a
discussion
that
the
community
has
had
and
frankly,
with
the
level
of
density
that
has
been
allowed
on
the
site
and
all
the
units
that
are
going
in
including
additional
units
here
there
should
be
some
affordable
as
a
trade-off
for
that.
If
there's
going
to
be
a
trade-off
somewhere,
but
then
you
still
want
to
see
community
space,
yes,
okay,
the
and
I'll.
A
A
Goodnight
numbers
thank
you
for
his
presentation.
I've
had
often
time
president
working
on
this
project
for
the
last
ten
years,
it's
been
a
interesting
journey
and
a
lot
discussed
today,
some
patrols,
some
I,
think
some
confusion
about
density
so
and
public
spaces
and
things
that
we
try
to
achieve
over
the
years.
So
I
had
a
presentation
that
I
think
actually
staffs
presentation
on
the
project
is
I
was
fairly
complete.
I
think
they
would
like
to
do.
A
A
This
is
a
very
difficult
project
to
begin
with,
the
we
knew
that
going
in
lead,
my
client
must've
no
matter
going
in
this
is
a
purpose-built
building,
this
place
of
substantial
size
building
and
the
adoptive,
the
use
of
it
has
been
very
problematic.
The
committee
in
admitted.
What
do
we
do
with
this?
Building
the
cost
to
restore
it
is
a
difficult,
usually
looked
at
any
number
of
solutions
over
the
years
and
I've
come
to
this
solution,
which
is
a
combination
of
illustration
of
majority
building,
a
demolition
of
particle
in
the
wings.
A
The
rethinking
of
Bill
Vol
site
plan
and
how
that
how
the
buildings
sit
on
the
site
and
repurposing
of
the
building
and
I
think
we've
come
up
with
I
think
a
solution
that
is
P
not
terrify
everybody
by
we
get
satisfies
a
lot
in
terms
of
heritage.
In
the
restoration
we
adopted,
we
use
so
essentially
overlooking
a
residential
building
with
the
potential
to
have
some
commercial.
A
A
The
but
I
think
what's
important
to
look
at
is
when
we
say
the
site
in
there
and
this
issue
that's
up
now
we
actually
looked
at
more
of
the
ground
plane
and
how
the
ground
surface
was
working
and
what
we
tried
to
do
to
him.
The
public
experience
and
and
I
know.
There
is
lot
of
discussion
in
the
vote.
Hashed
off
and
you
know,
I
haven't
given
anything
to
the
community,
but
I
think
you
know
it's
always
nice
to
remind
people
of
what
has
been
given
to
community.
A
One
has
been
actually
opening
up
this
site
to
the
community
through
the
portals
on
Richmond
Road
and,
more
importantly,
to
the
public
space
called
recalled,
men's
walk,
which
is
at
almost
an
acre
and
a
half
I
think
very
fast.
Indeed
it
as
a
public
process
to
get
public
pathway
to
get
from
byron,
Avenue
park
way
down
through
Richmond
Road,
and
it's
quite
a
positive
public
benefit.
There
I
think
in
terms
of
density,
VSA
buildings.
Actually
it's
a
reduction
in
density
and
it's
not
based
on
their
zoning.
A
We
actually
have
an
approved
site
plan
for
a
nine-story
building
the
buildings
that
you
see
to
the
south
and
in
the
redistribution
and
the
change
of
the
programming.
The
space.
That's
on
this,
drawing
is
actually
less
than
what
the
approved
shape
plan
is
in
place,
there's
actually
a
reduction
in
density,
it's
just
a
different
shape
to
it,
and
there's
been
no
increase
density,
we're
not
asking
for
increased
density
and,
at
this
point
were
quite
comfortable
with
our
figures
that
were
actually
showing
a
decrease.
A
What
we've
done
is
taken
that
l-shaped
building
and
it
used
to
be,
as
pointed
out
by
mr.
G's,
there
is
a
running
parallel
with
powerin
Avenue,
as
opposed
to
Richmond
Road,
and
it
actually
turned
the
L
turned
the
other
way
and
what
it
did
it
blocked
out
the
cradle
very
large
wall
running
from
the
monastery
rate
to
do
have
Byron
Avenue.
We
thought
it
was
important
to
have
a
break
there
and
we
actually
reverse
the
lm-2
toward
the
monastery
and
what
we've
got
from
a
ground
plane
point
of
view.
A
B
A
Propose
you
to
do
in
five
minutes,
so
some
of
the
big
advantages
of
doing
this
project
is
the
course,
the
restoration
and
the
rehabilitation
of
the
majority
of
the
content,
the
adopted
reuse
of
it,
as
well
as
just
the
maintenance
of
weeks
here.
Walls
we've
seen
recently
in
the
news
what
takes
place
where
buildings
are
properly
maintained.
We
think
this
is
critical,
that
we
do
this
and
it's
important
that
we
move
forward
on
this
file
so
that
it
doesn't
become
landlocked
if
the
balance
of
the
site
gets
developed.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Remember,
questions
so
culturally
there
and
then
members
moment
and
thanks
for
that
rod.
So
you'll
have
to
take
me
through
again
the
the
density
equation.
There's
when
we
take
a
look
at
the
the
numbering,
that's
on
the
screen,
the
Birdseye,
be
there
you
know.
There's
there
was
a
gap
between
the
convent.
The
west
wing
of
the
convent
was
intact.
A
A
We
did
from
Part
A,
which
is
the
convent
to
Richmond,
Road
and,
and
the
second
was
from
the
convent
that
pyromania
Park
and
a
safe
plan
was
submitted
on
both
of
those
and
approved
in
principle,
and
so
we're
measuring
against
that,
as
opposed
to
measuring
against
one
drawing
and
looking
at
it
and
say
this
is
an
increased
area.
We
have
to
look
at
what
was
agreed.
Then
what
was
approved
that
there
was
a
much
larger
building
the
D
building.
It
was
much
much
wider
and
it
turned
the
l-shape.
A
Actually
it
actually
got
much
closer
to
the
there's,
only
six
meters
away
from
the
building
and
it
turned
it
BL
Stern
the
opposite
direction.
So
in
terms
of
that
be
building,
this
is
less
square
footage
than
what
the
original
approval
was.
Now
it's
just.
You
can't
look
at
one
graphic
and
say
this
area
bigger.
You
have
to
look
at
the
entire
where
we
were
and
where
we
are
today.
A
I
appreciate
that
just
for
confirmation,
because
what
we
recognize
today
is
the
l-shaped
building,
where
the
zoning
will
come
forward
shortly,
as
well
as
the
Heritage
connectivity
for
the
convent,
the
two
buildings,
that
one
is
our
most
south
on
the
east
and
west
to
be
a
site
for
the
property.
Can
you
just
confirm
for
me
that
Ashcroft
intends
to
seek
an
additional
fifth
story
of
a
memory
space
on
the
building?
A
A
The
meetings
on
that,
as
well
as
public
and
and
I
believe,
there's
about
an
18
under
square
foot
fifth
floor
on
top
of
the
four-story
building,
which
would
be
an
amenity
room
for
the
four
building
she
and
building
understand
that
there
is
a
small
two
stories.
I
think
a
56th
floor.
That
project
beyond
limit.
A
States-
and
it
was
really
my
understanding-
is
in
terms
of
projection-
is
really
for
the
soften
and
create
better
transition
to
byron
avenue,
as
opposed
to
necessarily
adding,
of
course,
bass,
simply
thought
architecture.
I
thought
it
was
a
better
station
myself.
Well,
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
overly
involved
in
that.
A
You
think
so
now
the
green
veil
Venus
the
so
one
of
the
other
things
that
we
have
to
be
absolutely
cautious
about
in
in
every
approval
moving
forward
is
the
entry
and
egress
to
the
site.
Yes,
currently,
the
status
quo
is
to
have
entry
and
egress
under
the
existing
zoning
permission,
the
existing
site
plan
from
Shannon
Avenue
and
maybe
start
with
just
point
of
shannon
quickly
there,
with
the
laser
pointer
to
the
to
the
untrained
observer.
A
It
probably
looks
like
a
bike
path
if
you
go
safely
by
Shannon,
Avenue
is
yep
here,
and
this
is
actually
showing
they
widened
condition.
It
actually,
essentially
almost
has
been
good.
Why?
Plainly
it's
a
unser,
those
folks
are
living
on
something
the
size
of
the
bike
that
I
believe
they're.
Some
steps
must
be
on
the
new
pavement
barrier.
Yes,
there
will
be
widened
to
very
close
to
their
property.
I
think
we
take
bitter
the
peace
of
the
park
as
well.
So
you
know
that's
the
status
quo
and
we're
all
hoping
to
find
options.
A
One
of
the
options
that
I've
heard
from
the
community
is
absolutely
off.
The
table
that
continues
to
be
brought
up
by
many
in
the
community
is
a
cut
across
the
byron
linear
park
and
then,
of
course,
we
have
the
current
site
plan
proposal,
which
is
to
bring
traffic
in
and
out
of
them,
Leighton
Terrace.
So
Layton
Terrace
would
presumably
a
site
plan
be
configured
to
prevent
traffic
from
egressing
the
site
on
to
Layton.
Most
people
wouldn't
want
to
do
that.
A
Anyways
because
I'm
her
death
as
a
parking
lot
most
of
most
of
the
day,
certainly
at
peak
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that,
no
matter
what
we
do
in
this
first
phase
of
the
new
site
plan
that
we
still
have
options
for
how
to
handle
entry
and
egress
yeah.
If
this
is
approved
with
the
second,
with
the
new
access
name
and
entry
from
Layton,
are
we
still
going
to
have
the
option
of
using
shining
I
was
still
going
to
have
the
option
of
using
byron
afterafter
get
community
discussion
base?
Yes,
there's
nothing!
A
We're
doing
in
this
phase.
I
would
preclude
any
option
taking
place
in
the
next
set.
There
is
a
build
sort
of
linked
underground
and
so
we're
comfortable
making
that
statement
to
day
the
servicing
for
the
project
is
coming
in.
There
is
a
lane
way
through
year
that
gets
to
the
sort
of
sure
this
area
at
the
back
of
the
building,
and
then
there
was
a
question
was
posed
to
mr.
Cutler.
With
respect
to
how
do
we
know
whether,
whatever
guarantees
of
ash
Park
is
willing
to
give
us
that
the
content
will
be
restored?
A
Obviously
so
I
think
it's
something
that
we
can
work
but
a
solution.
It
could
be
something
that
could
be
tied
into
an
occupancy
permit
for
possibly
you
can't
get
Oxford
and
I'm
sorry
building
the
restoration
work
of
the
convent
is
completed.
I
think
there
are
some
legal
mechanisms
that
could
be
done
to
ensure
that
takes
place.
I
think
I,
don't
think
you
want
to
put
in
place
somethings
as
you
got
to
do
the
convent
first
before
you
do
the
nine-story
building,
because
I
think
that
I
don't
know
enough
about
the
financing
but
I.
A
Imagine
the
financing
of
the
nine-story
building
in
the
convent
will
probably
be
wrapped
together
and
I.
Think
you
don't
want
to
isolate
them,
because
I
think
the
frustration
that
convent
is
not
a
money-making
project
I
think
it's
basically
I
think
if
it's
wrapped
into
the
overall
project
I
think
it
becomes
the
make
sense
from
the
financial
institutions
going
to
do
so.
I
wouldn't
want
to
tie
up
our
constraints
from
a
construction
going
to
you,
but
I
think
you
could
do
it
through
an
occupancy.
Something
like
that
to
ensure
tonight
you
know
I
know.
A
I
would
like
to
see
this
put
the
bed
as
much
as
anybody
around
here.
So
it'd
be
nice
to
see
this
I've
dealt
with.
You
know
the
last
question
sure
I
mean
the
you
for
the
cynicism
about
the
use
the
condoms
be
able
to
survive
as
a
restaurant,
and
the
community
is
right.
The
the
vacancies
on
Richmond
Road
from
the
first
stage
of
this
have
been
troubling
to
the
community.
It's
not
good
for
us
to
have
those
inactive,
traditional,
Main
Street.
Much
of
the
convent
restoration
is
going
to
be
given
over
to
residential
use.
A
A
So
these
are
areas
that
can
be
used
for
associated
with
the
residential
and
then
on
the
ground
floor
we've
got
all
of
this
is
residential
space,
which
would
be
amenity
areas,
taking
advantage
of
the
look
in
the
doorways,
the
existing
doorways
on
through
this
courtyard
area,
and
then
the
the
commercial
areas
were
talking
about
upon
the
on
this
area.
This
is
the
commercial
area
were
potentially
talking
about
all
of
this.
As
we
begin
to
develop,
the
plans
could
be
made
into
residential
there's
something
that
preclude
that
we're
not
asking
for
commercial
use.
A
Only
we're
saying
this,
potentially
our
ability
to
have
commercial
use
or
communities.
We
talk
about
that.
The
only
area-
that's
probably
difficult
use
would
obviously
be
the
chapel,
because
there
is
the
restriction
in
there
that
you
know
they
don't
want
to
say
mezzanine
put
in
place
the
volume
with
list,
but
that
could
be
easily
converted
into
some
use
associated
with
the
residential.
A
So
the
success
of
this
building
isn't
hinged
on
the
commercial
viability,
there's
a
hit
that
it
could
become
successful,
but
we
can
move
it
forward
as
residential
use
only
and
then,
as
the
on
the
upper
floors
on
the
second
floor.
What's
interesting
about
this
proposal
is
who
is
take
that
second
floor
and
the
attic
space
and
combine
those
into
his
two-story
units?
We
did
talk
about
the
idea
of
Airbnb
or
that
type
of
unit
right
now.
A
Our
stops
really
is
just
eternities
into
nice,
interesting
residential
units,
the
rental
units
and
and
not
not
that
that
interest
was
not
really
where
core
strength.
So
what
we
are
taking
is
that
states
that's
never
been
used
at
wonderful
Adak
station
and
adding
it
to
the
second
floor.
Space
and
really
creating
interesting
units
are
without
beautiful
views
into
the
courtyard
and
around.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
Member.
Smart,
thank
you.
It
just
had
a
sort
of
a
technical
question.
Just
wonder,
is
there
cold
may
sunlight
in
the
courtyard,
and
it
is
what
would
the
impact
of
the
new
construction
be
on
that
sunlight
and
have
you
looked
at
that
I
didn't
see
anything
about
it
in
plants.
A
We
have
shadow
studies,
I'm
not
sure
that
they're
in
this
package
there
there
is
light
in
the
courtyard
I
mean
there,
because
it's
essentially
a
three-story
buildings
around
it
and
if
you
compare
it
against
the
what's
permitted
on
his
own
there's,
not
a
huge,
significant
difference.
The
community,
but
it
definitely
will
have
a
huge
impact
in
terms
amount
relate
that
goes
in
that
courts
heads
with
the
nine-story
building
going
in
behind
it.
It
is
on
the
south
side
of
that
courtyard.
So
it's
going
to
have
till
the
very
late
afternoon.
There's
some
there's
some
way.
A
I,
don't
argue
I,
don't
think
we
gave
a
shot
always
part
of
this.
This
is
sort
of
different
in
the
planning
presentation.
We
make
him
where
we
have
those
documentation
so
and
that,
just
just
to
point
out
the
shadow
city
is
in
our
package.
All
right
submit
are
anxious,
sorry,
I
I
don't
know:
do
we
have
a
dementia
if
I
have
it
in
this
presentation
at
sheet,
23
I
believe
in
it
in
the
back
of
the
chairs.
A
A
A
A
Now
that
the
only
shows
have
personal
happen,
so
this
new
image
available
of
the
site
member
just
for
clarification,
this
was
a
nine-story
building
that
did
get
site
plan
approval
and
this
part
of
the
original
zoning
package
is
that
correct
as
well.
Miguel
had
effect
yeah,
yes,
and
maybe
just
a
question
to
my
colleague
rod
here
and
since
that
was
approved,
which
drove
the
change
in
the
form
like
the
middle
two
things.
Well,
one
was
a
a
major
change
in
the
use
on
how
the
protocol
is
being
developed.
A
A
Raishin
so,
and
the
other
is
I
was
I,
was
somewhat
uncomfortable
with
the
ground,
plane
bill
and
connection
will
work.
I
thought
there
is
an
opportunity
to
move
the
bill
or
the
consistent
with
the
conduct.
So
ladyship
was
formed,
bikini
Christine
building
and
from
the
survey
to
the
village
to
the
shelf.
So
there
is
one
answer
they
you.
A
My
own
sort
of
pedestrian
experience
I
was
hoping
to
create,
instead
of
better
to
have
ground
claim.
You
know
my
own
experience
with
this
site
has
always
been.
How
does
one
experience
these
spaces
from
pedestrian
walking
through
the
site?
This
is
a
pedestrian
site.
They,
you
know
cars
really
are
restricted
to
very
small
part
of
it.
So
I
thought
where
we
and
what
we
have
the
post.
A
So
forgive
me
we're
just
following
up
on
the
question
they
had
to
do
with
the
first
part
Bob
you
answer,
I
wanna,
make
sure
I
understood
that
the
night
story
living
that
had
been
approved
it
had
unintended
yeast
as
residential
use.
It's
always
been.
Our
everything
felt,
ugly
of
the
condoms
always
been
residential,
betters
been
a.
There,
was
a
much
larger
seniors
residential
retirement
home
and
for
seniors
or
the
condominium.
A
It
was
a
much
sort
of
larger
scale
and
picking
over
the
years
to
sort
of
the
nature,
development
and
nearly
has
changed,
and
so
there
was
opportunity
to
look
at
this
building
more
the
freestanding
building
the
rebuilding
of
the
little
building
and
he
thought
he
could
meet
his
seniors
requirement
into
the
smaller
building
in
the
southwest
corner
of
the
site
and
then
four-story
building
along
nuns.
Walk
is,
with
the
now
moved
over
to
seniors
as
well,
and
that's
into
us
lower
scale
economy
and
build
that.
A
A
Why
we're
using
one
part
of
one
of
the
readings
of
the
addition
in
one
stream
over
one
side
and
not
keeping
that
as
part
of
the
feature
which
could
have
been
incorporated
in
a
new
bed,
and
this
as
much
as
it
could
have
been
taken
out
completely,
and
it
said
it
takes
away
and
they're
actually
encouraging
understanding
of
what
was
there
before
by
actually
taking
a
piece
of
it
away,
so
that
the
poor
energy
is
not
what
that
together
can
explain.
We've
done
that,
but
Ravens
we've
done
is
that
we've
got
you.
A
To
find
it
we're
actually
replacing
the
wall
back
to
that
same
eye
with
the
redacted
reuse
of
those
stones,
so
it
actually
very
back
in
line
and
then
that's
why
this
is
a
little
leading
here
and
that
this
section
here
is
actually
quite
low
in
this
area,
and
so
the
building
that
four-story
be
outside
the
two-story
field
inside
the
courtyard
is
maintained.
If
people
have
some
perspectives,
if
we
go.
A
So
inside
the
state
J-
and
this
is
this-
is
what
you're
seeing
in
the
building
in
behind
here.
This
is
the
address.
Is
he
had
this
abyss
law
here?
The
law
has
being
that
same
height
of
the
wall
over
here.
So
this
this
court
said
in
this
law,
basically
keeping
to
define
the
a
charge
space
and
then
we
again
rebuilt
which
wasn't
considered
important
in
the
recent
designation
or
something
that's
always
seem
to
be
removed
and
Rebecca
and
change
that
paving
patterns
as
a
memory
about
one-story
link
between
him.
A
A
And
type
of
things,
so
that
actually
integrates
in
as
if
it
were
still
divisional
building
or
no
no,
they
knew
when
they
will
be.
This
is
clearly
this
is
new
and
it's
really
been
designed
to
create
the
same
sort
of
sense
of
scale,
but
to
the
observer
will
be
that
you
know
this
is
a
look
like
a
wall
or
a
restored
wall.
That's
basically
using
the
materials
and
they're
all
now
lying
with
the
building.
I
think
that
we
play
the
problems
with
the
confident
we've
been
saying:
missus
Asaf
is
the
adopted.
A
We,
you
see,
it
was
a
very
limiting
space
of
these
existing
floors.
So
by
doing
this,
we've
eliminated
it
sort
of
went
a
to
the
problem
area
by
putting
a
usable
footprint
in
this
place
and
in
my
opinion,
we've
created
the
environment
that
cell
works
in
terms
of
the
courtyard
and
visually
appealing,
magnificence
I'd,
say
of
tranquility.
That's
within
the
space.
This
in
one
keep
the
original,
because
it
was
not
going
to
be
as
useful
space
and
wood
and
you
could
use
it
or
something
was
more
intensive.
Is
that
kind
of
data
it
becomes?
A
Restored
back
so
we
think
them
from
the
majority
of
the
public
sees
was
to
be
said,
restored
and
brought
back
to
their
former
glory.
So
you
think
it.
You
know
in
all
these
things
is
always
trade
oxygen.
We
must
live
possibly
in
this
point
or
those
are
the
trade-offs
between
the
Pittock
solution.
We
think
they
tank
here
is
found
a
balance
between
restoration
required
building
against
what
we're
doing
we
talked
about.
A
The
advantage
of
this
proposal
is
being
able
to
make
use
of
the
mechanical
systems,
other
employees
building
and
bringing
that
in
without
looking
not
having
the
books
or
mechanical
rooms
on
this
building.
We
compete
anything
original
Griffin.
The
proposed
building
television
benefits
to
this
we
can
block
up
the
old
Lester
this
part
with
the
financial
economics
of
rebuilding
and
beyond
so
very
concerned.
A
Also
when
you
talked
about
that,
didn't
they're,
changing
the
use
and
that's
going
to
make
have
to
change
the
bedding
missus
and
change
all-time
that
and
that
they
could
have
to
come
to
some
sort
of
conclusion.
This
is
a
way
that
we
can
make
a
use
in
there
which
can
can
be
adapted
have
been
into
because
we
see
that
happen.
B
B
Yes,
this
is
about
state
of
the
stabilising
and
they
start
building
development
has
ended
since
2010
to
condominiums
have
been
in.
This
building
is
clearly
in
worse
shape
now
than
it
was
ten
years
ago.
There's
evidence
of
damage
that
has
resulted
form.
The
construction
of
the
new
condominiums
to
the
north
I
just
walked
around
the
site
again
last
night
to
remind
myself
and
so
I'm
just
thinking
about
including
the
conservation
architect
hired
for
this
project,
I
think
has
put
fair
amount
of
emphasis
to
disturb.
A
Focusing
on
how
you're
going
to
protect
this
building,
especially
with
a
two-story
underground
parking
lot
going
in
right
there
can
you
address
that
the
majority
of
damage
was
done.
Unfortunately,
it
was
done
there
today,
beginning
with
the
sheet
piling
that
was
put
on
essentially
to
protect
the
building.
I
mean
the
vibration
I,
don't
think
it
should
have
been
some
better
care
taken,
and
you
know
some
substantial
damage
was
done.
There's
no
denying
it
it's
unfortunate.
A
Since
then,
underpinning
has
taken
place
to
at
least
I'm
softening
further
deterioration,
but
it
needs
extensive
work
done
to
make
sure
nothing
else
happens
and
the
decision
on
the
underground
parking
is
all
going
to
need
a
saw
and
coming
up
with
a
viable
solution.
So
we
would
only
do
that
to
lower
the
money
on
parking
if
we
were
assured
that
no
further
damage
would
take
place.
A
Luckily,
we
don't
have
any
there's
no
Rock
to
be
removed
on
this
site,
so
we
don't
a
taint
blocking
will
take
place
anywhere
on
the
site
to
where
in
two
octaves
down
I
think
we'll
35
feet
or
so
so
all
the
parking
can
be
take
place
with
simple
excavation.
No
shoring
as
you
required
or
that
balance
of
the
site,
because
we
can
cut
basically
back
as
the
parts
been
designed
to
make
sure
we
didn't
have
to
do
it
for
him.
A
So
the
only
area
of
concern
is
very
immediate
to
the
existing
company
and
if
it
was
deemed
to
be
unacceptable
by
the
engineers
involved,
not
put
the
undergone
parking
there,
we
would
move
it
out
to
the
shelves
to
underneath
the
other
projects.
You
know
the
ninth
surveilling
could
go
and
so
two
floors
it
could
go
three
floors,
for
example,
but
say
we
did
retain
mr.
cook
and
his
team
sure
go
through
the
project
they've,
both
my
own
a
word
program
and
if
it's
imperative
that
we
get
to
that
as
soon
as
possible.
A
Do
you
see
there
and,
and
if
so,
I'd
love
to
hear
you
know
your
thoughts
on
it
was
mitigating
that
sense
of
scale.
Difference
between
the
nine
story
addition
and
the
existing
comment
well,
I
think
the
issue
of
scale
existed
substantially
prior
to
this,
I
mean
the
scale
of
the
nine
story:
buildings
both
to
the
north
and
the
south
that
basically
created
the
environment.
I
think
that
we're
trying
to
do
is
mitigate
that
true
and
said.
You
know
it's
fine
to
live
I'm.
A
Look
at
that
picture
on
the
screen
and-
and
this
overwhelming
nature
of
that
bird's
eye
view
of
the
towers-
are
lurking
down
and
I
think
we,
you
know
and
I
when
I
experience,
buildings,
I
experience
is
more
like
this.
This
scheme
and
I
experience
more
as
a
pedestrian
are
walking
through
and
and
seeing
what
these
faces
could
be
and
how
much
life
they
can
bring
to
to
to
this
space.
So
I
think
there's
opportunity
to
landscaping
and
there
could
be
additional
setbacks
that
could
we
not
go
back
through
the
zoning
process
was
right.
A
You
know,
we
think
you
know
is
interesting
thing
about
the
we
bring
dummy,
burster
being
heritage.
First
theory:
I
thought
it
was
appropriate
to
bring
this
through
this
committee
first
to
work
through
planning,
because
I
didn't
want
to
reverse
and
get
planning
approval
and
come
here
and
get
over
this
on
a
so
I
thought.
This
was
a
first
step,
so
I
think
moving
forward,
and
you
know
I
think
I.
Think
some
of
the
details
I
think
there
again
the
way
the
building
that's
immediately
to
the
building
to
be
looked
at
may
be.
A
A
greater
separation
could
be
increased
yeah,
but
I,
don't
think
you're
ever
going,
get
away
from
the
fact
that
there's
a
nine-story
building
immediately
behind
the
space
I
think
when
you
actually
go
into
the
space
between
the
existing
convent
and
the
building
that's
been
built.
It's
actually
quite
a
very
interesting
walk
through
there
to
see
how
those
spaces
develop
is
actually
quite
a
pleasing
environment,
even
though
you
have
a
very
tall
building
community
adjacent
to
areas
building,
so
I
think
it
can
be
resolved
to
good
design.
A
A
Good
morning,
but
afternoon
well
and
good
morning,
our
chair
members,
a
committee
I,
think,
there's
being
a
reasonable
explanation
of
the
project
by
by
city
staff
and
I.
I
too,
would
also
like
to
compliment
the
public
delegations,
especially
mr.
genes,
on
his
extremely
thorough
research
and
I
guess,
history
of
the
site,
I
I,
guess
I,
would
say
to
members
of
committee.
It's
it's
absolutely
an
extremely
challenging
project
in
sight.
A
Although
there'll
be
many
conversations
today,
which
I
would
argue,
I
don't
really
pertain
the
Heritage
character
or
heritage
considerations
at
all,
they're,
more
so
site
planners
of
past
history
issues
with
with
community
interests.
Our
work
is
definitely
governed
by
the
identified
heritage
attributes
on
the
part
of
the
city,
and
so
that
really
has
been
the
starting
point
for
our
engagement
with
the
with
the
project
and
as
rod
has
indicated.
A
If
you
like,
weaving
movement
through
the
site
and
one
feature
which
hasn't
been
talked
about
too
much,
it's
the
view
from
the
Byron
Avenue
almost
disappeared
or
between
the
two
buildings.
There
was
a
deliberate
intention
to
create
an
opening
in
the
residential
wing
to
the
south
to
again
create
that
sense
of
invitation
and
destination
into
there.
The
courtyard
so
I
I
don't
have
a
lot
more
to
add
that
I
would
certainly
welcome
questions
in
the
part
of
committee
members.
Thank
you,
I
see
a
couple
so
I've
passed
refers.
A
Yes,
it's
a
seven,
the
question
that
has
to
do
with
the
cultural
areas
in
a
statement
and
the
read
very
carefully
negative
and
positive
impact
70
of
those
development,
and
we
gave
in
CHEM
our
considerations
if
you
had
better
learn
about.
But
if
you
had
the
choice
of
the
original
proposed
development,
the
nine
story
bathing
to
south,
which
was
independent
and
the
conservation
of
the
whole
holstered
footprint,
and
this
one
from
a
heritage
planners
perspective,
which
one
has
respects,
though
these
attributes
lesson
a
probably
more.
A
To
my
colleague
of
a
astute
question
and
difficult
one
to
answer
easily
and
I
think
both
have
pros
and
cons
some
of
the
challenges.
For
instance,
some
a
chance
we
faced
with
the
earlier
development
scheme
was
about
the
inevitable
placement
of
mechanical
equipment
to
move
top
units,
so
a
scheme
where
there
was
an
office
in
fill.
A
He
also
place
a
lot
of
these
units
on
on
the
roof
scape,
which
we
didn't
feel
on,
but
well
yeah,
Jenna,
I,
think
I'm
more
partial
to
the
scheme
that's
presented
before
you
today,
because
it
does
create
more
of
this
almost
framing
dialogue
between
the
two
L's
of
the
convent
and
the
and
the
residential
wing
and
he's
kind
of
interlocking
planes,
and
certainly
the
openness
opening
up
of
the
courtyard
I
think
has
greater
potential
in
terms
of
our
destination.
With
the
current
scheme.
A
Talking
about
that
experience
of
being
invited,
then
through
to
the
courtyard,
because
it
I
think
many
in
the
community
are
cynical,
that
that
will
be
any
kind
of
publicly
accessible
space.
Okay,
so,
like
maybe
I,
can
start
with
its
rods
sheet
three,
which
shows
the
ground,
and
if
we
have
that.
A
And
so
the
I'm
speaking
to
the
image
in
the
bottom
right
of
your
screen
so
to
the
right
which
here
to
thank
you
the
second
point
this
year.
So
this
is
the
axis
of
that
link
that
goes
towards
the
bilinga
Parkway
and
it's
this
gap
and
the
break
in
the
residential
units
that
game
allows
a
flow
through
this
linear
link
into
the
actual
core.
Chatham
is
still
the
memory
of
the
original
enclosure
and
simile
that
flow
outward
towards
the
so-called
nuns
walk
park.
A
So
I
see
this
is
something
that
could
look
like
well,
we
certainly
the
shadowing
studies.
I
think
indicate
that
you
know
courtyard
would
would
have
shadow
for
a
significant
portion
of
the
year,
but
perhaps
in
this
scheme
less
than
they
would
have
had
with
their
option
the
one
that
time
member
Podolski
had
talked
about
and
in
terms
of
its
orientation.
But
you
don't
have
a
an
architectural
treatment
to
show
us
at
this
point.
Well,
you
haven't
there's
some
renderings
are
you
know,
such
as
the
ones
welcoming
on
the
other
screen
here?
That
shall
show
these.
A
A
We
I
think
Express,
certain
skepticism
about
the
office
use
and
it's
survived
early
and
you
know
in
the
end
the
adaptive
reuse.
You
know
the
previous
scheme
was
much
more
facade
ISM,
since
your
entire
demolition
of
floors
and
wings
behind
in
the
current
scheme,
which
actually
in
a
meaningful
way,
adaptively
we
use,
is
the
majority
of
the
structure,
and
you
know
it's
residential
use
is
consistent
with
the
existing
one
might
because
and
not
only
for
the
building
itself,
but
for
the
adjacent
residential
uses
as
well.
A
So
I
would
anticipate
that
residents
of
both
the
tambour
surrounding
keys
will
find
their
little
place
in
the
Sun
on
the
shade,
as
they
see
fit.
Vicky's
picture
I
just
have
a
maybe
just
one
last
question.
Mr.
Martin,
further
to
the
question,
I
asked
mr.
Lahey
about
what
what
further
could
be
done
to
get
this
application
moving
to
a
slightly
better
place
images,
you
actually
put
the
codes
and
very
concrete
ideas
and
the
two
that
I
begged
to
read,
because
I
think
they
respond
to
many
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made.
A
One
is
careful
detailing,
at
the
step
back
section
of
the
edition
connecting
directly
to
the
west
wing
to
ensure
a
suitable
transition
and
mitigation
of
hive
impacts
to
the
existing
monastery,
and
the
second
is
widening
at
the
proposed
glass
connection.
At
the
junction
of
the
addition
in
the
monastery
in
the
West
Wing
to
facilitate
better
reading
at
the
transition
between
new
and
old
I've
drawn
those
those
two
over
longer
lists.
A
The
the
idea
of
this
linkage
or
gasket
between
the
old
and
new
is
extremely
important
at
a
earlier
version
of
the
scheme
had
lit
something
like
1.2
meters
or
4
feet,
which
we
felt
was
too
no
and
it
wouldn't
really
serve
its
intended
purpose.
So
the
current
iteration
of
the
design
is
more
is
double
that
it's
more
like
2.4
meters
we've
also
talked
to
the
design
team
about
again
reinstating
the
masonry,
so
that
means
of
navigating
between
this
this
circulation
element.
A
One
actually
gets
that
dialogue
attention
between
this
of
texture,
the
original
building
in
that
in
the
contemporary
work,
but
certainly
the
other
element
in
the
box
up
in
the
screen.
On
my
my
hope,
my
guess
is
that
it
would
be
refined
in
greater
detail
and
perhaps
a
lighter
touch
and
even
a
slight
lowering
of
the
linkage.
Just
below
the
roof
edge
would
be
would
be
beneficial,
so
those
are
the
kind
of
finer
scale
details
that
I
think
could
improve.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
answer
and
thank
you
for
coming
out
this
afternoon
that
exhausts
our
speakers
s
so
now.
There's
an
opportunity
for
questions
and
comments
to
staff
if
any
or
general
observations
counselor
current
thanks.
Just
a
quick
question
to
staff,
the
restoration
that
would
be
required
at
miss
building
I,
assume
is,
is
pretty
significant.
How
did
we
know
that
it
has
been
done
properly?
What
kind
of
investigation
can
we
do
with
it?
What
kind
of
standards
can
we
hold
them?
B
Thank
you,
I
think
the
community
can
take
some
solace
in
the
fact
that
the
applicant
has
hired
the
heritage
consultant
to
undertake
to
do
the
Hobbesian
path
statement,
which
also
outlines
a
conservation
plan
which
is
quite
expensive
and
for
for
this
project
and
through
us
or
through
these
rezoning
of
this
property.
And
we
are
working
quite
closely
with
our
colleagues
in
development
review
and
to
ensure
provisions
to
ensure
that
the
restoration
is
undertaken
as
part
of
that
application.
As
well.
A
B
B
A
Are
going
to
use
the
word
zone
because
that
implies
means
the
area.
I
guess
is
better.
It's
the
design
disregards
that
I'm.
Just
remembering
that
justification
yeah
correct
that
that's
true
they've
applied
for
zoning
change,
so
we're
looking
at
their
development
review.
Colleagues
are
in
attendance
here.
A
About
the
fact
that
that's
that
that
has
been
disregarded
in
this
this
new
proposal
and
the
implication,
obviously,
as
we've
heard,
the
concerns
about
the
West
portion
of
the
West
significant
portion
of
the
West
Bell
being
last
so
anyhow,
not
to
thank
you,
okay,
any
other
questions
or
comments.
I
constantly
would
like
to
wrap
up,
maybe
I'll
say
a
couple
things
now.
Just
I
want
to
pick
up
on
a
couple
of
points
that
have
that
were
made.
A
First
is
the
concern
that
remember
if
it
was
member
smaller
culturally,
be
raised
about
ensuring
that
the
adaptive
reads?
The
work
in
the
comment
is
done
prior
to
say
any
occupancy
of
the
nine
story.
Building
and
what
I
understand
from
speaking
to
mr.
Coe
is
that
there
would
be
an
opportunity,
through
a
holding
provision
in
the
zoning,
to
ensure
that
that
happened.
A
So
I
want
to
get
the
committee
reassurance
that
staff
had
contemplated
that,
and
the
idea
is
that
the
holding
provision
would
not
be
lifted
until
heritage
staff
were
satisfied
that
the
restoration
work
on
the
existing
content
was
done
as
per
the
issuance
of
the
heritage
permit.
So
that's
that's.
The
first
point-
and
the
second
point
is
I'd
like
to
pick
up
both
on
mr.
Martin's
choose
recommendations
and
mr.
Lahey's,
what
I
to
be
a
willingness
on
his
part
and
on
his
clients,
part
to
further
refine
those
two
elements.
A
That
I
spoke
to
both
that
notion
of
detailing
the
step
backs
and
and
trying
to
respond
a
little
bit
to
that
meaning
issue
and
also
looking
at
a
possible
expansion
of
the
break
on
that
south
side
of
the
continent.
And
so
with
the
committee's
agreeing
and
I
would
propose
that
we
direct
that
staff
continue
to
work
with
the
applicant
between
now
and
when.
A
This
item
goes
to
planning
committee
on
those
two
items
in
particular,
but
certainly
wouldn't
want
to
limit
staff
and
the
applicant
to
those
two
points,
because
in
the
choose,
there's
actually
a
longer
list
of
what
I
thought
was
some
very
thoughtful
mitigation
ideas.
So
I
just
wanted
to
propose
that
the
direction
to
staff
and
I
see
not
in
your
heads.
So,
let's
just
say,
I
put
put
that
load
when
the
last
time
that
I
wanted
to
raise
and
it's
not
a
heritage
item.
A
But
it
came
up
and
it's
something
that
I
think
they
need
to
pursue.
Planning
committee
is,
and
so
I've
made
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
counsel
EBA
and
mr.
Cutler
about
this
point.
But
on
the
rest,
your
own
point,
I
think
what's
important,
is
I
appreciate
that
the
community
is
saying.
Well,
then,
are
the
market
conditions
for
viability
of
a
commercial
space
and
but
I
person?
A
You
don't
see
the
alternative
ie
further
residential
space
as
a
useful
resolution
at
that
problem,
because
if
the
idea
is
that
you
want
to
have
some
quasi
public
space,
you
know
a
restaurant
is
a
is.
A
form
of
quadruple
exists,
a
third
space,
as
calls
Oldenburg
called
it
to
me.
That's
preferable
in
terms
of
you
know
at
least
allowing
customers
of
a
other
restaurant
and
cafe
to
have
access
to
this
new
renovated
space.
Then
privatizing
this
base
completely
through
making
that
all
the
residential.
A
A
In
terms
of
a
possible
restoration
of
this
base,
you
do
want
to
make
sure
that
there
are
opportunities
for
members
of
public
in
some
way,
shape
or
form
to
access
part
that
space
I
think
that's
a
conversation
that
maybe
needs
staffing
on
the
margins
and
maybe
is
better
brought
up
in
the
context
of
the
planning
elements
of
this
application.
Those
are
the
three
comments
that
I
wanted
to
make.
I
know
that
councillor
Lieber
wanted
to
wrap
up
so
I'll
give
him
the
book
thanks.
Jer
and
I
will
keep
it
really
brief.
A
This
is
obviously
been
long
and
contentious
development
application
with
developments
in
the
neighborhood
for
many
many
years
now,
the
community
anger
is
still
there.
This
development
probably
never
should
have
been
approved
in
its
current
form.
We've
brought
the
convent
off
from
Richmond,
Road
and
and
there's
no
going
back
on
that.
A
The
nine
story
building
in
behind
is
going
to
shield
the
convent
one
way
or
the
other,
and
so
it's
it's
difficult
for
the
community,
except
our
heritage
advocates,
for
whom
I
have
a
tremendous
respect
have
said:
don't
demolish
any
of
it,
and
I
have
considerable
sympathy
for
them.
When
ashcroft
purchased
this
property
and
promised
to
preserve
the
convent
and
even
to
put
some
of
it
to
use
as
community
space,
there
is
still
a
significant
desire
in
the
community
to
hold
them
to
their
word.
A
Recognizing
that
you
know,
some
sort
of
an
adaptive
reuse
is
probably
better
done
sooner
rather
than
later
for
this
particular
development,
so
I
think
a
refusal
recommendation
from
this
committee
would
help
us
to
get
something
a
little
bit
better.
I
do
want
to
recognize
that,
after
several
iterations
of
proposals,
including
a
25-story
tower
on
this
site,
we
finally
do
have
a
legitimate
development
proposal
in
front
of
us.
It's
not
yet
perfect.
I
would
like
to
get
a
little
bit
of
leverage
to
help
us
get
it
to
that
point
where
it
is
much
more
acceptable.
A
Thanks,
Joe,
okay,
I
know
the
rest,
I
wanted
to
speak
and
then
I'm
going
to
make
a
final
comment
after
the
restroom.
Yes,
sir,
thank
you
very
much.
A
crisp
vising.
This
property
is
permitted
in
in
2009.
Before
was
put
up
for
sale.
I
was
invited
in
by
the
you
state
agent
that
was
appointed
by
the
sisters
and
his
question
to
me
those
not
really
question.
It
was
a
statement
which
the
voice
raised
at
the
end.
A
This
isn't
heritage,
is
it
and
that
I've
inspected
the
building
twice
and
recommended
immediately
that
he
invite
these
citizens
planners
to
come
and
visit.
This
is
the
visitation
building
and
that
led
the
quest
to
a
designation
and
to
the
planning
process
that
has
been
going
on
now
for
eight
years.
I.
A
Listen
to
react
at
that.
Listen
to
his
Ottawa
and
other
delegations,
and
that
also
listen
to
it.
Martin
be
a
consultant.
The
calculators
in
tax
payer
and
I
must
say
that
on
the
whole,
I
think
that
the
staff
report,
which
recommends
approval
of
the
decision,
does
not
do
justice
to
the
Heritage
value
of
others.
A
Former
conduct,
color
convent,
was
respected
in
the
original
zoning
by
allowing
it
to
be
a
three-dimensional
coaster
which
one
could
appreciate
in
the
round
and
I
think
would
have
been
a
unique
and
is
unique
landmark
in
the
city,
even
though
it's
not
easily
reviewed
from
the
public
elm
anymore,
but
nonetheless,
I
think
it's
assuming
that
the
opposed
changes
either.
The
value
of
that
attribute
and
I
say
that,
with
all
due
respect
to
edge
powers
and
land
use
planners
as
well.
A
Having
said
that,
I
also
just
favored
plea
by
a
counselor
group,
the
application
in
order
to
extract
more
concessions
and
more
respect
for
the
heritage,
designated
property,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
support
his
plea
and
have
no
hesitation
and
voting
to
reject
this
application.
I
think
that
time,
the.
A
Arguments
that
have
been
made
in
favor
of
the
application
by
staff
and
the
consultants
I
don't
buy
ID
by
the
statements
that
have
made
the
Heritage,
Ottawa
and
others
basically
requesting
that
the
application
be
appeased
and
I
hope
that
others
on
this
committee,
they
he
constantly
was
cold
and
take
the
stance
and
use
the
application
in
the
hope
that
that
will
create
a
better
outcome
for
the
community
and
for
the
city's
homeless
program.
Thank
you.
Okay.
A
I
wasn't
going
to
speak
again
that
other
comments
are
prompted
me
to
just
to
provide
my
own
rock
up
wrap-up
comments.
Firstly,
on
the
points
of
agreement
with
councillor
Luther
investor
Podolski:
there's
no
question
that
you
know
they're
dealing
with
a
compromised
site,
I
hope
that
planners
and
future
generations
look
at
what
happened
on
Richmond
Road
and
use
it
as
a
lessons
learned
for
how
not
to
do
urban
infill.
A
So
there
were
clearly
mistakes
made
with
that
application
and
I
do
hope
that
it
is
treated
as
a
learning
opportunity
in
terms
of
how
how
not
to
treat
a
site
like
that.
Be
that
as
it
may,
we're
dealing
with
a
site
that
already
has
buildings
on
Richmond
Road,
that
block
block
views
and
make
public
access
to
the
site
very,
very
difficult,
and,
as
we've
heard
from
staff,
this
has
been
a
long
march
with
the
applicant,
not
always
easy,
but
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day.
A
I
think
it
undermines
our
credibility
if
we
recommend
something
to
planning
but
secretly
we're
saying
you
know
if
it's
fixed,
you
can
overturn
it.
I
much
prefer
the
approach
of
providing
direction
two's
bath.
We
can
very
clear
about
the
specific
changes
that
we
would
like
staff
to
work
with
the
applicant
between
now
and
planning.
Those
of
us
who
are
members
of
council
always
have
the
opportunity
to
vote
against
this
if
they
feel
that
the
changes
that
had
been
asked
for
through
staff
direction
are
not
met.
A
I
appreciate
that
the
public
members
don't
have
that
opportunity,
but
I'm
late,
on
a
procedural
point
of
view
to
say
we're
going
to
say
no,
but
we
want
you
to
fix
it
an
overturn
all
right,
I
think
we
should
give
staff
and
the
applicant
the
benefit
of
the
doubt
and
again.
Certainly
my
colleagues
on
council
can
still
judge
the
outcome
of
that
in
the
future
vote.
It's
not
perfect!
It's
about
that.
We
use
we'd
like
to
see
some
further
work
on
it.
A
We've
made
that
clear
through
the
staff
direction
and
there
will
be
another
opportunity
to
the
zoning
application
to
deal
with
some
very
germane
issues
relating
to
use
relating
to
access
relating
to
setbacks
on
the
site,
so
I
just
wanted
to
relate
hot.
That
I
will
be
voting
in
favor
of
the
staff
recommendation.
With
the
caveat
that
we've
been
very
clear
on
the
staff
direction,
our
quote
is
right
and
that
up
and
there'll
be
an
opportunity
over
the
next
few
weeks
for
staff
and
the
applicant
to
continue
work
on
that
basis.
A
A
A
We
need
a
refusal
recommendation
which
I'm
sure
that
as
chair
would
be
very
happy
to
put
preferred
AB.
So
we'll
just
do
opposite
votes
on
the
refusal
motion
so
four
years
to
two
nays,
and
if
everyone
can
trust
that
the
refusal
motion
with
the
diamond
as
per
what
the
vice
sure
would
want
to
see.
There's
no
point
in
pausing
on
that.
It's
just
standard
language,
I
think
on
the
refusal
recommendation.
So
we
comfortable
with
that.
So
there
would
be
refusal
motion
to
replace
which
was
passed
on
the
basis
of
forward
to
yes,.
A
Great,
do
you
want
that
pull
me
then?
Is
it
not
necessary?
No
okay!
So
thank
you
to
staff
and
thank
you
to
all
the
speakers
who
came
out
to
speak
on
this
item.
So
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
items
which
we
added
to
the
agenda
at
the
beginning
of
this
meeting.
So
first
step
is
we'll
dear,
maybe
with
the
Bank
Street
item
first
and
I'll
just
asked
after
provide
members
just
with
a
quick
summary
of
them,
why
staff
are
recommending
that
we
reissue
a
huge
permit
who's
who's.
Speaking
to
that.
A
Good
afternoon
mr.
Trey
I'll
just
go
through
six
key
points
very
quickly,
so
you
have
an
overview
of
why
we're
here.
So
a
heritage
permit
was
issued
by
Council
in
February
2013
after
review
from
the
equivalent
of
the
built,
a
subcommittee
site
plan,
control
approve
of
the
site,
planner
control
approval
in
August
of
2015.
So
this
committed
the
demolition
and
new
construction
on
the
subject
property
so
that
site
plan
control
was
set
to
expire
in
September
2017.
A
The
applicant
filed
an
extension
to
the
site
plan
agreement,
which
was
approved,
and
now
it
is
valid
until
2019,
but
the
Heritage
permit
had
expired,
On
February
27th
2015,
so
the
development
cannot
proceed
until
new
Heritage
permit
is
issued
so
considering
that
today's
proposal
is
consistent
with
the
plans
that
were
approved
by
council
in
2013
staff.
Viewless
matters,
a
technical
as
technical
in
nature
and
with
us
propose
this
motion
to
reinstate
the
previous
recommendations.
A
Ok
had
any
questions
on
this
item.
Is
that
straight
for
everybody?
If
so,
I
guess
the
best
chair.
Can
you
read
out
the
substantive
motion?
Please?
Yes,
the
result
that
the
built
areas
subcommittee
recommend
that
and
committee
recommend
that
council
leaves
the
application
to
demolish
correlated
by
a
private
bank
street
and
approve
the
application
to
construct
a
new
building
at
the
same
address
and
delegate
authority
for
minor
changes
to
the
general
manager,
planning
and
issue
the
Heritage
permit,
with
the
two-year
expiry
date
from
the
date
issuance.
A
This
is
not.
This
is
paraphrasing
their
detailed
thing,
which
I
believe
this
on
the
screen
somewhere
over
there.
Thank
you,
oh
great,
so
is
that
atom
code?
Okay!
Thank
you,
wonderful,
okay!
So
our
last
item,
as
we
agreed
at
beginning,
the
meeting
is
we're
going
to
hear
from
staff
a
little
update
on
the
events
surrounding
the
Miggy
has
which
so
I'm
going
to
ask
those
staff
members
to
come
up
to
the
front
Noba
presentation
and
an
opportunity
for
questions.
A
Good
morning,
chair
and
members
of
both
murder
subcommittee
I'm
here
today
to
provide
a
briefing
to
members
on
unfortunate
collapse
of
a
portion
of
Magee
house
on
July
24th
Magee
house,
as
committee
members,
like
we
know,
is
apart
for
interior
lijjat,
properly
designated
by
the
former
city
of
ottawa
in
1996.
This
is
an
information
briefing
with
no
decision
required
today
by
members
of
committee.
Analysis
like
to
acknowledge
the
property
owner.
Video
Sbisa
is
in
the
audience,
along
with
his
wife.
We
acknowledge
that
this
is
a
very
trying
time
for
him
at
the
moment.
A
Who
has
our
sympathies?
Today's
presentation
will
be
led
by
JPL
who's
furthest
on
my
right
for
their
manager
enforcement
from
bylaw
services.
In
most
each
inspection
actions
undertaken
on
the
property
by
property
standards,
officers,
John,
Buck,
deputy
chief
Building,
Code,
official
building,
inspection
and
enforcement
on
the
role
that
Building
Code
Services
has
played
in
this
matter
on.
My
left
is
John
Cook
and
Chris.
That
mean
is
in
the
audience
as
well.
A
John
Cook
and
associates
heritage
engineers
who
are
engaged
by
the
city
by
building
hood
services
who
relay
the
findings,
are
their
engineering
assessments
and
I?
Will
conclude
with
next
steps
and
then,
of
course,
were
open
to
your
questions.
Also
supporting
us
on
this
file
is
Christina
Mahone
that
we
do
services.
We
may
also
answer
your
questions
on
the
side,
so
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Jake
to
speak
to
inspections
on
the
property
Thank
You
Cort
mr.
chair
I
can
confirm
that
11:19
Wellington
is
on.
A
This
is
listed
bacon
heritage
buildings
to
building
has
underground
routine
inspection
since
2017.
This
initiative
sees
this
list
of
buildings
currently
standing
at
24,
inspected
visually
by
a
property
Standards
officer
every
three
months.
The
inspection
is
visual
in
nature
of
the
exterior,
as
we
do
not
have
legal
right
to
enter
the
building
working
alongside
heritage
staff,
the
property
Standards
officer
inspects
for
integrity
of
the
heritage,
attributes
of
the
property,
as
well
as
many
others
under
the
property
standards
bylaw
that
he
sees
while
on
site,
he
can
order
engineering
reports,
as
required
within
reason.
A
Orders
may
be
issued
by
the
officer
with
directive
to
comply.
These
orders
have
specific
direction
on
how
the
attributes
are
to
be
repaired
or
replaced
due
to
their
heritage
nature,
and
there
are
directives
on
the
quality
of
workmanship.
We
inspect
ins
follow
once
the
property
owner
notifies
that
the
work
is
complete.
A
The
city
has
authority
to
undertake
the
work
itself
for
non-compliance
and
will
build
back
to
the
owner
under
the
Ontario
Building
Code
Act
and/or
issue
charges
for
failing
to
comply
under
the
Provincial
Offences
Act
in
the
case
of
Magee
house.
Its
heritage
attributes
are
the
rubble,
stone,
construction,
cornice
and
mansard
roof
with
Tomer
windows.
In
this
case,
we
can
advise
that
in
March
2017
an
order
was
issued
to
this
property
would,
rather
than
the
need
to
motor
joints,
repaired
to
concrete
repair
door
frames,
dormer
windows,
exterior
wood
components
and
Remini
a
hole
in
the
roof.
A
A
November
2017,
the
investigating
officer,
had
prepared
a
summons
for
the
owner
for
failing
to
comply
and
was
trying
to
serve
the
property
owner
for
the
offense,
but
was
unsuccessful
in
doing
so.
In
March,
2018
Bala
received
the
complaint
for
a
member
of
the
public
about
the
condition
of
the
building
on
March
14th
2018
attending
officer
saw
minor,
cracking
and
mortar
and
wood
fascia
in
a
state
of
disrepair.
However,
determinate
engineering
report
was
not
required
at
that
time.
A
A
A
It
should
be
noted
that
at
this
time
no
occupants
of
1
1,
2
1
Wellington
remain
displaced,
as
remedial
measures
have
since
been
undertaken
in
order
to
allow
those
residents
to
reoccupy
1
1
2
1
stamtec
engineering
who,
on
site
the
evening
of
the
collapse
event,
advised
that
the
building
was
in
a
state
of
distress
with
the
potential
for
the
progressive
collapse
does
include
services,
as
subsequently
engaged
engineering,
firm,
John,
Cook
and
associates
to
undertake
a
review
at
1,
1
1.
9
Wellington
and
mr.
Kirk
will
speak
to
his
findings
shortly.
The
copies
of
mr.
A
Kirk's
reports
will
also
be
provided
to
committee
members
and
when
I
say
mr.
Kirk's
reports,
these
reports
were
co-authored
by
Chris
Bachmann,
who
is
as
quoted
mentioned
in
the
gallery.
Mr.
Kirk
determined
that
the
westerly
wall
was
in
danger
of
collapse
and
posed
an
immediate
threat
to
public
safety
measures
were
required
to
remove
part
of
the
roof,
the
remaining
westerly
wall
and
the
southwest
corner
of
the
building.
A
This
work
was
ordered
by
the
chief
building
official
under
the
authority
of
emergency
order,
which
overrides
any
required
any
requirement
for
heritage
approval.
This
work
was
successfully
undertaken
at
the
city's
expense
on
the
evening
of
Friday
July.
The
27th
John
Kirk
and
associates
staff
was
on
site
overseeing
the
work
along
with
building
cook
services
and
heritage
staff.
Cost
borne
by
the
city
will
be
sought
to
be
recouped
from
the
property
owner.
The
property
owner
has
received
a
copy
of
mr.
A
Kirk's
reports
and
also
received
the
following
directives
through
orders
issued
under
the
building
code,
Act
so
by
Jurgis,
the
7th
to
provide
an
engineer's
design
on
the
interim
bracing
and
showing
for
the
entire
building
and
implement
all
required
interim
stabilization
and
provide
an
engineer's
report
of
the
interim
stabilization
measures
by
August.
The
14th,
under
the
direction
of
a
structural
engineer,
provide
a
report
assessing
the
remainder
of
the
structure
and
providing
permanent
remediation
measures
and
by
August
the
20th
have
any
demolition
or
long
term
stabilization
work
undertaken.
A
A
Mr.
chairman
validity,
so
we
were
called
in
now,
I
guess
what,
instead
of
last
week
I'm
until
you
viewed
the
building
and
if
you
met
the
plan
all
attacks
there,
I
can
show
you.
This
is
the
condition
of
the
building
in
week,
8
on
the
side
and
as
you
can
see,
the
authority
of
the
building
is
the
result
of
failure
of
the
masonry
or
two
locations
between
within
them.
A
A
Now,
if
you
can
a
quickness
okay,
so
quite
back
here,
but
if
you
left
there
in
any
of
the
phase
that
we
became
very
concerned
about,
is
in
the
other
pile
at
the
bottom
in
here,
the
other
collapse.
All
the
stands
are
individual
stage
may
say
left
who
stands
with
head
together.
They
noted
and
said
that
propels
us,
and
also
it
was
video
just
by
reviewing
the
yeah
that
there
is
they
like
a
lesson
living
in
the
nursery
and
mean
it's.
A
Basically,
a
house
of
cards
is
baited
right
now
and
we
say:
there's
there's
no
horizontal
Molotov,
there's
no
more
food
in
the
car
and
the
only
thing
that's
holding
this
together
is
the
surface
tension
created
by
the
impact
north
of
it
is
actually
used
on
your
face
in
a
baby.
It
doesn't
pay
me
the
first
place,
but
that
is
actually
a
totally
ready
right
now,
if
you
have
to
buy
eight
games
here
that
are
attached
to
show
you
how
a
living
wall
is
built,
and
this
is
so.
A
This
is
a
convention
for
the
construction
of
videos
for
3,000
years,
and
so,
when
you
have
all
you
have
the
exterior
stone
or
you
have
a
sort
of
an
interior.
Why,
then,
you
have
another
call,
which
is
a
mixture
of
a
stone
and
mortar
in
order
to
be
able
to
restore
evil
and
badly
deteriorated
lazy
law
you
need
what's
critical,
is
I
lead
at
least
60%
of
the
law
to
distill
the
impact
in
the
horizontal
tones,
because
that's
what
keeps
the
Stoller?
You
also
rely
on
some
of
the
mortar
in
the
core.
A
You
know
if
you
have
lots
of
voids,
but
as
long
as
we
have
a
little
bit
of
north
or
in
the
car
to
say,
hey
depending
together,
then
we
can
you
do
serious
conservation
work
to
restore
the
wall.
We
also
required
to
have
some
more
easily
to
get
conditionally
in
a
wide
and
usually
accept
there
may
be.
If
you
see
that
the
top
hole
water
has
been
getting
in,
that's
what
you
would
expect
this
is.
A
This
is
an
example
of
the
wall,
which
is
already
in
failure
north,
where
you
get
you
losing
a
lot
of
the
mortar
on
the
interior
of
the
wall.
What
actually
is
in
existence
in
this
building
is
a
half,
maybe
a
half
an
inch
of
mortar
on
the
exterior
of
these
stones,
but
I
have
no
mortar
back
in
here.
I
have
no
mortar
in
the
center,
all
I
have
is
loose
rubble
and
the
sound
that
all
the
mortars
leached
out
of
the
sand.
So
what
you
do?
A
What
you
get
over
you
know:
20
30
years
is
the
nature
community
from
the
outside
and
continues
to
wash
the
sand,
and
so
what
you
have
is
is
at
the
top
of
the
law.
You
have
lots
of
Lloyds
in
stones,
but,
as
you
get
lower
down
the
wall,
it's
all
heavy
noose
and
and
it's
being
forced
down
continually
by
aim,
and
so
the
collapse
occurred
and
if
they,
on
Tuesday,
after
a
record
rainfall
all
day
on
Tuesday
and
so
I
believe
that
was
the
solar
store.
A
That
built
the
town
is
back,
but
the
other
concern-
and
you
can
see
it
if
you
go
inside
the
building
to
lay
off
some
photographs
here
to
show-
is
that
there
is
heavy
deterioration
of
a
mortar
on
the
backside
of
the
Illinois.
So
they
maybe
believe
the
wall
is
now.
We
have
stabilized.
Okay,
now
just
go
through
the
photographs
to
show
you
that
we've
stabilized
that
in
the
respect
that
we
don't
feel
that
there's
any
more
imminent
collapse,
but
there
is
no
way
for
this.
A
He
took
it
in
and
you
store
this
misery
will
okay
to
the
dome,
and
there
example
is
that
is:
we've
just
completed,
ninety-two
sparks
kind
of
the
four
corners
and
Canton
and
Wellington,
and
there
you
have
to
take
down
the
east,
no
because
it
to
just
like
this
wall
was
written
to
and
there's
no
way
for
the
missus
to
safety,
the
stators
who
later
kill
it.
Then
so
it
quickly
just
go
to
lay
photographs
yeah,
okay,
so
you
can
see
here-
and
this
is
what
we
were
faced
with
looking
at
the
southwest
corner.
A
A
A
This
will
is
hard
to
see,
but
basically,
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
the
the
wood
at
the
corners
of
the
is
all
decayed,
and
this
is
the
section
of
wall
that
we
were
concerned
about,
and
you
can
see
the
way
it's
you
can
see
that
they
known
to
need
them
that
had
already
occurred
and
there's
no
stone
around
the
corner
here,
because
at
the
front
wall
the
storm
stops
here
arm.
So
there
was
nothing
here
to
hold
this
stone
and
stone
masonry
with
no
mortar,
and
that
is
basically
you
paying
again
of
Jayda.
A
So
I
leopard
to
to
make
this
safe,
as
we
actually
got
the
machine
from
the
devil
and
he
metalwork
here,
and
he
just
pinched
these
stones
here
and
made
the
machine
laterally
by
two
inches
and
the
entire
remaining
west
wall
collapsed
in
about
30
seconds,
and
that's
how
you
been
mrs.
greatness
and
that's
a
little
picture
of
the
piece
is
how
you
know
the
minister.
A
A
The
reason
that
we
asked
for
the
machine
to
go
in
is
that
we
couldn't
put
any
in
liveability
because
they
get
paid,
and
so
the
machine
was
everything
didn't
work
for
the
distance,
but
the
machinery
brought
in
you
could
basically
that
he's
able
to
reach
inside
the
building
and
take
out
our
bookshelf
believe
it
on
the
road.
That's
how
and
this
machine
to
work,
but
we
were
afraid
if
we
didn't
have
it
and
they
could
the
corner
of
collapse
a
repay
the
entire
confess
with
it.
A
So
we
were
able
to
with
the
machine,
demolished
the
left
side
first
and
then
picked
these
stones
out.
So
what
we
were
able
to
do
in
the
end
in
the
objective
was
to
reach
the
edge
of
the
window
on
this
side
so
that
we
wouldn't
have
secured
this.
We
passed
that
and
then
step
back
so
that
we
could
leave
the
lentil
over
the
but
large
window
here
and
that's
what
we
were
able
to
achieve.
A
Well,
you
say
you
can
see
here.
This
was
this
was
after
we
had
just
taken
down
the
southwest
corner,
and-
and
this
is
the
reason
why
we
have
to
go
past
the
first
window,
because
the
portion
in
masonry
between
the
corner
and
the
first
window
had
completely
separated,
and
we
had
to
take
that
out
another
thing
to
pay
attention
here
and
why
he
didn't
take
down
any
in
the
course
of
the
second
floor,
why
we
would
do
an
emergency
demolition.
A
You
say
this
is:
this
is
pretty
much
as
we've
left.
The
building
now
is
is
that
we
are,
you
know,
you've
successfully
gone
to
the
edge
of
the
window
and
then
the
step
to
go
here,
and
we
filled
that
for
the
short-term,
the
baby
is
secure,
but
you
know
we
stall
is
stalling
at
the
end
of
this
building,
not
least
I
lay
by
the
tireless
snow
flies
because
the
snow,
and
then
you
failed,
the
wood
roof
is
Rocky
is
completely
happy.
A
A
So
to
conclude,
this
presentation,
as
this
building
is
a
heritage
of
valued
staff,
the
new
at
the
owner
in
the
coming
weeks
to
explore
his
intentions
as
it
complies
with
the
timelines
set
up
by
Building
Code
Services,
recognizing
that
has
been
a
week
since
this
unfortunate
event
has
happened
that
the
property
owners
currently
seized
with
insurance,
engineering
and
legal
matters
and
understanding
that
he's
still
determining
next
steps.
It
is
too
soon
to
make
determination
on
whether
this
building
to
be
fully
restored.
A
A
portion
saved
the
entire
site
demolished
his
heritage,
staffs
view
that
every
reasonable
effort
must
be
made
to
explore
how
this
building
or
portions
of
the
building
could
be
conserved.
This
must,
however,
be
waived.
A
weighed
against
mr.
cooks
advice
the
impact
that
the
building
in
this
current
state
has
to
the
streetscape
and
the
property
owners
and
plans.
We
await
further
engineering
review
from
the
owner
and
how
that
our
discretion.
The
ability
to
undertake
additional
engineering
study
to
complement
mr.
A
cooks,
work
approvals
to
alter
or
demolish
the
building,
both
heritage
subcommittee
in
an
application
and
as
well.
We
would
a
planning
committee
in
Council
for
approval
unless
any
emergency
arises.
It
requires
the
discretion
from
the
chief
building
professional.
A
few
members
of
the
public
have
asked,
and
yes,
I
can
confirm.
The
photogrametry
of
the
building
has
been
undertaken
on
the
southwest
corner.
There
was
a
prior
to
it
being
demolished
an
additional
historical
recording.
A
The
entire
building
will
be
undertaken
as
a
proactive
measure
in
closing
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
this
is
a
very
unfortunate
incident
on
what
has
been
an
otherwise
very
successful,
ongoing
initiative
by
the
city
to
proactively,
monitor
and
protect
a
vacant
or
seemingly
vacant
heritage
buildings.
In
the
early
days
of
this
incident,
staff
have
been
exploring
ways
in
which
we
can
learn
from
this
experience
to
further
safeguard
our
heritage
assets,
recognizing
that
these
assets
are
mostly
in
private
property
hands.
A
Today,
I
can
advise
that
within
the
coming
weeks,
we
will
be
engaging
an
engineering
firm
to
visit
all
the
meaning
23
of
our
vacant
heritage
buildings
to
determine
whether
or
not
Engineering
reports
are
warranted
buildings.
This
initiative
will
also
provide
additional
training
to
our
staff,
who
are
charged
with
completing
ongoing
investigations.
These
investigations,
as
you
can
appreciate,
are
challenging
inspections
to
undertake,
as
they
are
only
visual
in
nature
and
are
very
complex
buildings.
A
Our
hope
is
that
this
added
effort
will
complement
the
work
that
we
are
doing
and
ensure
that
we
continue
to
proactively
protect
our
cities,
both
heritage.
So
without
shared
we
agree,
a
presentation
were
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Members
may
have
great.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
know.
Member
Smallwood
has
a
question
that
I'm
sure
others
do
as
well.
So
members
name
yes,
I'd
like
to
ask
John
Cooke
a
couple
of
questions.
So
just
a
couple
things
about
it.
A
Concern
me
that
do
you
think
was
it
obvious
or
perhaps
this
is
an
unfair
question,
but
do
you
think
it
would
have
been
fairly
obvious?
Had
you
inspected
the
building
before
the
clock
said
it
was
at
least
an
adventure
from
you
know
something
I
said
you
know
why
we
were
looking
up
a
building,
I
I
had
inspected
this
building
before
I
would
have
said
it
needed
major
conservation
and
once
I've
seen,
the
collabs
I
think
that
if
we
had
started
conservation
once
we
have
silently
innate
in
the
mortar,
he
would
have
been
into
a
nature.
A
Take
that
in
either
case
the
baby
right
now.
The
way
it
is
it's
just
like
you
know
what
we
found
as
I
said
that
92
sparks.
If
you
build,
if
the
other
life
and
anyway
they're
separated,
there's
no
mortar
in
the
horizontal
chains,
then
it's
a
danger
to
the
nurses,
so
I
notice,
I,
at
least
at
the
bid
to
be
inserted.
Photographs
I
saw
the
building
historically,
that
there
was
a
steel
plate
on
that
wall,
and
we
didn't
mention
this
deal
still
played
as
a
tie.
A
A
It
is
because
it
appeared
to
me
that
the
presence
of
that
still
paid,
which
appeared
to
me
to
be
old,
is
an
indication
that
an
engineer
had
been
looking
at
this
before
that
there
was
a
coach
already
and
that
and
I
don't
know
how
old
this
was.
But
the
period
and
some
you
don't
add,
a
steel
plate
to
the
building
because
you
have
an
extra
piece-
is
still
kicking
on,
because
somebody
started
in
this
piece.
A
I
is
possible,
but
you
know
it's
fairly
common
to
see
these
still
high-skilled
abilities
and
but
the
nature
of
this
building
is
the
structure
studies
from
North
to
say
so.
The
joists
are
embedded
in
the
law
on
the
north
and
say,
and
but
the
Eastern.
Yes,
as
you
can
see,
for
just
look
at
the
picture
there.
As
you
can
see
there,
the
structure
goes
parallel
to
they
all,
but
the
only
image
in
that
direction
is
that
stare
time.
A
So
that
was
his
function
is
to
provide
level
support
at
the
pro
level
you
mentioned
several
times
about
their
holes
in
the
roof
and
that
there
is
water
information,
certainly
to
our
three
wisest
own
D
visit
music.
Your
believes
about
water
was
also
infiltrating
into
the
interior
inside
I.
Can't
understand
why
not
because
I
mean
it
was,
you
know
seriously
and
the
wobble
nahi
you
know
be
like
the
older
back
along
this
side
was
all
right.
A
A
Then
they
can
easily
make
the
wrong
decisions.
You
know
looking
at
this
building
now
it
needed
greater
assess
get
back
a
few
years
ago,
I
known
a
video
for
many
years,
and
he
was
shaking
his
head
and
gone
know
behind
you,
as
your
statements.
Obviously
he's
indicating
that
he
didn't
know
his
water
leaking
inside
yeah
I
mean
was
he
living
in
the
building?
So
I
don't
know
it
may
have
been
going
down,
but
it
was
definitely
running
into
the
layer
mode.
A
A
You
can't
understand
mr.
Lussier,
it's
quite
easy
to
let
that
I
like
and
understand,
like
people
ate
those
decisions.
Another
question
I
had
was
just
with
respect
to
them
nicely.
I
know
that
in
or
during
work,
repointing
have
been
done,
but
you
pointed
out
was
done
incorrectly
porno,
you
know
like
they
ever
did
this
is
you
know
it's
it's
a
philosophy
of
a
hundred
years
of
tech
baby
that
painting
is
considered
and
people
use
Portland
more
conservators.
What
they
did
is
the
Portland
motor.
They
only
went
in
half
an
inch
to
call
it
took
painting.
A
What
was
more
important
is
to
restore
the
motor
go
back
into
the
wall,
which
nobody
did
and
let's
go
ugly,
big
business
baby
baby
is
so
my
question.
I
guess
to
the
city
was:
is
it
given
the
nature
of
this
building
and
given
that
the
city
had
instructed
this
work
completely
done?
Is
it
not
normal
practice
that
the
city
would
have
made
sure
that
the
owner
is
aware
of
how
they
should
did
the
city
not
make?
A
Mr.
chair
really
honor
the
officer
that
originally
took
on
this
case
in
2017
has,
since
retired,
so
I
don't
have
very
much
informations
from
the
investigating
officer
at
that
time.
It
is
my
understanding,
though,
that
there
wasn't
very
much
conversation
between
the
property
owner
and
the
investigating
officer.
Unfortunately,
if
that
doesn't
answer,
my
concern,
I
find
it
very
difficult
to
believe
that
the
owner
was
told
to
do
this
work.
A
The
owner
went
and
did
it
the
clearly
some
work
was
done,
but
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
an
in
further
action
taken
by
the
city
in
March
2017
of
the
more
urgent
nature,
perhaps
because
this
I
think
made
the
problem
worse.
Why
what
happened
rather
than
better
so
I'm
just
concerned
that
I
think
they
all
want
to
learn
from
this
and
I
would
like
to
know
what
could
have
been
done
or
should
have
been
done
said
that
this
wouldn't
have
gone
on
the
way
it
did.
A
I
see
American
care
passed
earlier.
This
says:
that's
in
carriage
arquette
I'm,
always
sad
to
see
failures
like
this,
and
they
often
pavilion
has
been
there
for
so
long
reflect
lack
of
stewardship
and,
as
the
Dunkirk
said,
like
an
understanding
that
the
asset
is
as
purpose
to
you,
that
you're
saying
that
this
case
study
is
going
to
trigger
some
better
training
of
inspection
staff,
to
know
what
to
look
for
right,
a
woman's
illness
and
to
the
community.
A
They
have
things
that
are
in
physical
jeopardy,
not
just
for
the
heritage
attributes
but
for
life
safety
as
well.
So
I
think
that
this
is
one
positive
outcome
to
this
drama
but
notice.
It
said
this
heartened
to
see
that,
because
the
building
industry
is
millennia
old
and
that
we
have
learned
things
from
from
experienced
cathedrals,
we
built
an
cathedrals
cops
telling
that
it
can
be
dressed
from
learning
from
experience.
I
think
that
dad
this
should
no
handbook
or
something
published
on
the
city's
website
that
reports.
A
The
findings
at
this
case
study
so
that
it
might
be
out
there
for
others
that
are
unaware
of
the
vulnerability
of
aspects
of
the
property
and
they
might
learn
that
visit
education.
Experience
divisional
program
is
part
of
the
heritage
conservation
program
I
just
I
last
side.
By
to
this
in
Sivas
world
collapse,
I'm
reminded
of
a
similar
role
that
she
played.
A
But
I,
say
they
appreciate
this
evening.
I
appreciate
the
way
in
which
a
series
acted
quickly
on
this
particular
case
study
and
that
helpful
to
have
teacher
reports
on
this.
For
instance,
they
work
on
whether
not
if
the
clique
recommendation
to
demolish
the
building
is
actually
the
choice
that
is
made
by
the
owner
or
endorsed
by
the
city,
then
what
they
replace
this
building
in
the
future
that
pieces
be
conserved
pay
for
that.
So
I
think
that,
subject
that
we
would
be
interested
in
with
the
application
could
ganache
attention
about
Heritage
Committee.
A
A
Such
a
significant
piece
of
their
heritage
really
is,
is
quite
tragic
and
that
you
know
I
can't
help
but
go
back
to
buildings
like
Somerset
House,
which
you
know
we
saw
we'll
come
down
on
the
same
man
Rebecca
as
a
result
of
damage
and
mostly
caused
by
rain,
because
it's
an
open
space
again-
and
this
has
been
going
on
now
for
over
a
decade
and
probably
it's
a
different
structure.
I
understand
that
and
Brooke
as
opposed
to
stone.
But
but
it's
open
to
the
elements
and
we've
we've
seen
before
that.
A
You
continue
to
see
that,
especially
with
summers
that
house
it
certainly
is
a
demolition
by
neglect.
So
this
my
question
to
staff
is
I'm
happy
to
hear
that
hiring
from
the
inspections
on
a
vacant
heritage
properties
by
they
can
hear
from
you.
You
know
what
some
of
the
resolutions
may
be
at
midnight
think
that,
just
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
we
heard
out
of
the
City
of
Toronto
that
council
there
is
in
the
process
of
exfoliating,
true
heritage,
hotels
that
have
been
neglected
and
that,
in
that
case,
so
I
left.
A
My
kid
have
it
on
today.
In
that
case,
they
know,
expect
waiting
them
and
they
can
use
them
to
bed
some
affordable
housing.
Another.
That's
not
the
purview
of
this
committee.
The
affordability
part
that
at
what
at
what
point
do
you
know
from
staffs
perspective
and
I
know
it's
a
council
decision
at
what
point
when
you
decide
that
we
need
to
take
a
different
path.
I
mean
these
we've
gone
down
this
you
know
we've
sent
out
staff
to
look
at
buildings.
A
We
know
ditch
buildings
are
falling
down,
we
know
which
ones
have
been
neglected
and
so
I
just
like
to
hear
from
staff.
If
there
will
be
any
consideration
given
to
taking
a
different
path
with
some
of
the
owners
who
are
neglecting
their
buildings
and
I,
particularly
right
now
about
Somerset
House
in
terms
of
the
city
excavating
and
did
the
right
thing
by
fixing
up
some
of
these
buildings,
so
certainly
councillor.
A
If
you
look
at
it
from
a
carrot
and
stick
approach
on
the
stick
side
in
the
last
two
years,
we
certainly
have
increased
our
our
enforcement
activities.
We
now
have
a
full-time,
dedicated,
bylaw
officer
that
is
inspecting
these
heritage.
They
can
heritage
properties
and
and
another
vacant
properties,
and
we
are
aggressively
issuing
orders
and
summonses
to
to
ensure
that
work
is
being
done.
We
monitor
the
list
of
24
buildings
where
they're
every
three
months
checking
each
of
the
buildings
and
completing
an
inspection.
So
certainly
on
the
inspection
and
enforcement
side,
we
have
increased
our
ironist.
A
The
tools
of
the
salaries
across
Canada
are
using
to
incentivize
redevelopment
of
they
can
or
underutilized
buildings,
and
and
so
doing
best
practice.
Research
on
that
at
the
moment,
and
certainly
will
advise
Council
in
due
course.
If
there's
and
if
there
are
no
clear
tools
that
the
city
should
be
using
okay
I.
A
Do
the
court
eval
I
think
that
at
some
point
have
to
be
a
political
decision
and
I
did
not
be
as
the
counselor
responsible
for
the
area
where,
as
soon
as
the
house,
for
example,
is
located,
certainly
I
think
that
at
some
point
we
all
have
to
make
that
political
decision
now
have
to
consider
when,
when
I
open
that
to
me
to
the
table,
Thank
You
councillor
thanks
Jim
I,
do
you
think
it
is
important
today
to
recognize
some
of
the
personnel
who
involved?
I?
A
A
We
know
that
it's
abusive
is
in
the
building
shortly
before
its
collapse
and
I
do
have
reason
to
feel
very,
very
confident
today
in
the
response
capacity
of
our
first
first
responders,
it
was
quickly
secured
made
safe
and
I
think
that
we
would
have
been
in
a
position
to
deal
with
them
even
more
tragic
circumstances.
I
also
want
to
thank
John
John
for
being
on
site.
Stantec
was
retained
on
site
very
very
quickly
and
then
the
den
efficient
firm
precinct
demolition
firm.
If
I,
if
I
may
just
give
a
quick
shout
out
to
their
operator.
A
Mr.
Cook
was
describing
the
the
finesse
with
which
that
operator
was
working.
It
was
quite
something
to
see
a
lot
of
people
mark
scale
with
city
traffic.
This
had
a
long,
long
and
frankly,
difficult
impact
on
our
roads
for
traffic
transit
users.
Its
but
I
am
very
thankful
to
all
the
city
and
and
third
party
personnel
who
were
involved.
A
One
of
my
questions
that
have
had
for
the
past
several
days
and
I
I,
don't
know
if
we
can
answer
it
today,
properly
Standards
officer
is
going
to
look
at
buildings.
We
have
engineers
who
will
be
going
out
to
do
an
assessment
to
some
of
our
vacant
properties.
Should
we
not
be
sending
engineers
concert
on
a
consistent
basis,
rather
than
the
line
on
property
standards
inspectors
to
deal
with?
What
might
be
structural
issues.
A
Mr.
Sheridan,
at
this
point
counselor
when
individual
inspection
is
done
in,
if
there
is
any
creation
of
mortar
in
these
types
of
structures,
I
already
provided
direction
to
us
or
investigating
these.
That
definitely
order.
The
engineer's
report
and
I
would
support
them.
In
fact
that
if
there
is
any
debt
or
restructuring
new
year's
report
and
ensure
that
remedial
action
is
taken,
it
will
be.
A
It
would
be
important
that
your
officers
know
that
you
have
their
back
that
if
they
have
any
cause
at
all,
to
fear
that
there
may
be
a
structural
issue
that
they
should
issue
that
order
to
have
a
structural
engineers
report
produced
and
that
they'll
be
backed
up
by
every
level
of
management
up
the
chain,
because
I
can
certainly
see
how
somebody
might
not
want
to
rock
the
boat.
Somebody
may
say:
I:
don't
have
the
expertise
to
make
that
determination
to
make
that
call
I'm
imposing
a
cost
and
a
property
owner
and
to
let
it
slide.
A
I
do
think.
It's
really
critical
if
we're
not
going
to
send
engineers
ourselves
to
make
those
assessments
that
we're
officers,
no
err
on
the
side
of
requesting
that
engineering
report
and
that
those
conversations
have
already
happened
with
the
officer
because
I
as
I
say,
this
turned
out
not
to
have
any
injury
loss
of
life,
but
it
could
seem
that
much
differently.
I
do
want
to
understand
the
portion
of
the
presentation
that
was
made
by
John
mr.
buck
so
by
August,
7th,
the
property
owner
is
going
to
have
to
provide
an
engineer's
design.
A
An
interim
bracing
and
shoring
for
the
entire
building
implement
are
required
interim
stabilization
measures
and
provide
an
engineer's
report
of
interim
stabilization
measures.
So
within
a
few
days,
what
does
that
mean?
In
English
we
have
three
walls
that
are
standing
upright
now.
What
does
it
mean
for
us
yeah
in
plain
English?
So
we
only
have
mr.
cooks
recommendation
that
says
quite
clearly
that
the
building
in
its
present
form
is
stable,
and
that
should
be
revisited
at
the
absolute
latest
on
prior
to
our
the
frost,
effects
or
snow,
and
so
we
do
have
that.
A
I
think
what
has
to
be
appreciated
here
is
that
these
directives
actually
predated
the
emergency
action
that
was
taken,
so
these
directives
were
given
the
day
after
the
collapse,
but
before
we
did
the
interim
demolition,
so
nonetheless,
though,
the
order
does
remain
in
effect,
so,
yes,
the
expectation
is
that,
right
now,
mr.
spruce
is
retaining
his
own
engineer
to
take
a
lorry
engine
himself,
to
take
a
look
at
the
at
the
situation
and
to
I
compliment
mr.
A
quartz
findings
or
to
take
issue
with
them,
potentially
at
least
get
back
to
us
with
whether
they
find
these
does
this
building
need
for
their
interim
stabilization.
If
you
ask
them,
let's
see
it
implemented
and
if
no,
then,
let's
move
on
and
mr.
cooks
determinations
recommendations
of
August
20th
we're
expecting
the
the
building
owners
engineer
to
actually
have
undertaken
any
necessary
demolition
work.
If
I
understand
mr.
Kutz
findings
properly,
mr.
cook
would
find
that
it's
going
to
need
to
be
dismantled
in
order
to
be
safe.
Why
are
we
not
just
perceiving
with
that
now?
A
Ultimately
yeah?
It's
not
our
property.
Okay.
Ultimately,
this
is
mr.
spacely's
building.
However,
the
city
building
code
services
under
the
direction
of
the
emergency
order
had
to
take
emergency
action
on
behalf
of
the
property
owner
and
quite
possibly
he
was.
He
and
the
property
owners
aren't
typically
resourced
to
act
as
quickly
as
we
can
in
these
emergency
situations.
A
They're
generally,
not
in
the
demolition
business.
Potentially,
they
couldn't
have
rallied
the
demolition
contractor
that
quick
and
I
think
mr.
cooks.
Presentation
quite
clearly
showed
how
urgent
it
was
that
that
corner
of
the
building
came
down
immediately,
thus
the
emergency
order.
That
said,
it
is
still
mr.
spruces
property
so
that
we,
the
ball,
is
still
in
his
court
in
terms
of
the
words
of
the
issued
order,
the
expectation
that
he
come
forward
with
the
engineering
and
that
just
to
be
clear,
it
was
the
city
building
code
services
who
did
retain
mr.
A
Cook
largely
for
his
experience
and
knowledge
in
this
in
this
domain.
You
don't
expect
any
outcome
from
from
the
owners
engineer
any
different
to
say
that
in
fact,
the
walls
can
stay,
standing,
I
think
it's
hard
to
say.
It
would
be
hard
to
speculate
that
you
know
I,
find
the
findings
of
mr.
cooks
report
to
to
be
quite
clear
and
the
timeline
is,
is
relatively
quick
by
August
20th,
any
necessary
demolition
is
going
to
have
to
be
done.
How
does
that
get
paid?
For?
How
can
we
ensure
that
that
work
gets
done?
A
How
can
we
ensure
that
the
work
does
get
done
in
timely
fashion,
and
perhaps
LIGO
can
weigh
in
with
the
the
measures
that
we
have
to
absolutely
ensure
that,
particularly
for
the
public
safety,
oh
I
can
take
the
first
crack
at
a
day.
If
you
don't
mind,
comes
right
on
so
by
virtue
of
the
fact
that
these
directives
have
been
done
under
an
order.
An
unsafe
building,
the
city
does
have
the
ability
to
undertake
the
work
itself
on
behalf
of
the
owner
and
then
tax
roll,
the
tax
or
the
costs.
A
That
being
said,
we
are
cognizant
that
these
timelines
are
quite
tight,
respecting
the
processes
that
these
would
have
to
be
followed,
whether
it
be
heritage
or
safe
plan
or
demolition
control,
etc.
There's
a
number
of
processes,
so
it
would
be,
you
know,
provided
the
building
is
stable
and
we
have
a
bit
of
a
timeout
here.
A
You
know
this.
This
would
allow
potentially
mr.
Sweetzer
to
go
through
the
process,
we're
not
going
to
demolish
his
building.
You
know
if
he
doesn't
abide
by
these
directives
by
the
20th
of
August,
but
that
being
said,
you
know
if
there's
some
feet
dragging
and
whatnot,
you
know
we
could.
We
could
take
the
next
steps,
whether
it
be
pursuing
charges,
which
we
don't
necessarily
intend
to
do
or
taking
any
action
required
to
make
the
situation
safe.
Is
that
our
chief
data,
inspector
or
cheap
building
officer,
who
can
make
that
call?
A
Does
that
require
a
direct
I
mean
there's
nothing
that
says
that
another
emergency
order
can't
be,
if
necessary,
in
order
for
us
to
act
similarly
to
what
we
did
so,
for
example,
if
tomorrow
you
know
we
get
haven't
prepared,
we
get
news,
though,
or
maybe
the
facade
is
demonstrating
some
that
we're
distress
or
what-have-you,
then
there's
absolutely
nothing
preventing
us
from
going
through
the
loop
again.
That
being
said,
that's
not
what
anybody
wants.
It
is
mr.
A
spruces
building,
and
so
the
expectation
is
that
he
will
be
making
these
decisions
in
terms
of
you
know,
can
the
building
be
saved,
and
then
his
engineering
team,
of
course,
and
the
building
be
saved,
can
apportion
of
a
B
C?
Does
it
have
to
be
short
further?
Is
it
good,
as
is
so
it's
it's
quite
a
fluid
situation,
and
it
is
acknowledged
that
these
deadlines
are
quite
tight.
A
They
were
set
quite
tight,
partly
because
it
was
done
the
day
that
the
order
was
was
drafted
and
issued
the
day
after
you
know
the
event
itself,
so
it
was
quite
chaotic,
but
also
we
want
to
be
able
to
adequately
hold
the
owners
feet
to
the
fire
to
say:
let's,
let's
get
this
thing
you
know
dealt
with
or
at
least
pretty
stuff
adequately,
if
that's
even
possible,
we
we
don't
know
some
of
these
answers.
At
this
point,
the
most
likely
scenario
sees
the
building
demolished
or
deconstructed.
A
Somehow,
with
the
potential
to
rebuild,
maybe
some
was
maintained.
A
facade
is
that
a
decision
that
council
can
impose
on
a
private
property
owner
is
that
a
mechanism
that
we
have
say
it's
demolished
under
emergency
order,
but
probably
we
have
to
force
some
kind
of
a
reconstruction
in
a
pragmatic
way,
so
counselor
I
don't
want
to
speculate
on
what
may
or
may
not
be
but
be
possible,
particularly
as
mr.
buck
said.
The
others
in
the
owners
call
a
meta
determined
that
steps
as
as
mr.
buck
said
to
those
dates,
are
the
dates.
A
The
chief
building
code,
official,
ordered
shortly
after
the
incident
happened.
However,
mr.
Sabri
sir
now
has
to
consider
his
options
and
apply
to
Harwich
for
any
demolition
or
alteration
to
this
building
or
reconstruction
for
that
matter,
and
not
as
a
matter
that
is
not
valued
to
staff
that
will
be
before
this
committee
and
planning
to
be
in
Council,
based
on
mr.
cooks,
advice
that
by
the
time
frost
hits
a
decision
has
to
be
made.
You
can
be
assured
that
we'll
be
back
before
this
committee.
This
fall
with
an
application
on
the
matter.
Okay,
that's
good!
A
You
know
what
I
will
leave
it
there
I.
Thank
you
for
the
in-depth
presentation
you've
made
today
and
I
really
do
thank
all
of
the
city
staff
who
have
been
involved.
The
contractors
who
have
been
involved.
It
was
very
chaotic
on
the
scene
and
your
professionalism
across
the
organization
is
going
to
be
appreciated.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Thank
you.
A
member's
moment
wanted
to
ask
a
follow-up
question.
Yes,
mr.
Carey,
we
made
some
comments
about
the
looking
into
best
practices
so-
and
you
mentioned
the
carrot
which
I'm
really
happy
to
hear
about
end
of
the
equation.
A
I
think
this
is
a
really
really
really
important
time
that
we
take
a
look
at
this
part
of
them.
What
mr.
Cooke
had
mentioned
and
I
think
this
really
illustrates
that
this
isn't
like
only
a
normal
building.
A
building
like
this
has
very
very
specific
requirements
of
what
has
to
be
done,
and
failure
to
do
them
can
have
catastrophic
results.
As
we
have
seen,
you
didn't
mention
you.
A
This
is
a
critical
time
in
a
critical
example.
How
important
this
could
be.
These
buildings
do
cost
a
lot
more
and
the
burden
clearly
now
a
benefit
for
the
community,
but
the
building
codes
specifically
on
the
owner
of
the
property.
So
will
you
be
looking
specifically
at
municipal
tax
relief
and
is
that
something
that
we,
as
a
committee,
have
to
get
direction
on
over
we'll
be
doing
that
Thank
You,
chair
I,
can
advise
that.
Certainly,
we
are
reviewing
best
practices
of
modalities
across
Canada
today.
B
Thank
you.
It's
just
a
quick
question
about
I
need
the
dates
that
you
mentioned,
but
just
in
terms
of,
and
we
don't
know,
the
outcome
and
demolition.
A
One
of
the
directives
actually
in
the
emergency
order,
which
was
the
purposes
of
priority,
was
to
talk
the
building
to
protect
it
from
weather.
Mr.
Cook
is
advised
that,
and
he
said
so
earlier
today,
it
wouldn't
be
safe
to
have
a
worker,
for
example,
on
the
roof.
In
its
current
condition,
however,
the
direction
has
been
provided
to
mr.
A
spray
so
that
the
yo'ii
he
does
have
the
opportunity
to
take
this
on
in
some
capacity,
whether
it
be
you
know
over
the
third
floor,
what
have
you
to
protect
some
of
the
articles,
so
this
is
something
that
I
understand
he's
currently
exploring.
However,
the
directive
is
to
do
so
under
the
supervision
of
an
engineer,
as
well
as
being
fully
aware
of
mr.
cooks.
Analysis
of
the
situation
as
well,
so
can
it
be
done
possibly
under
the
direction
of
an
engineer
very
carefully.
So
yes,
these
conversations
were
held
with
mr.
Issa.
A
A
You
know
what
sorry
I
have
to
follow:
the
procedures.
I'm
not
gonna,
allow
you
to
speak,
but
I'll
come
and
speak
to
you
afterwards,
and
we
can
certainly
pass
through
any
information,
but
I
do
have
to
follow
the
rules
and
I'm
happy
to
come.
Speak
to
you
after
this
me
so
I'm
going
to
return
to
the
agenda
and
we
have
no
more
substantive
items.
A
I
wanted
to
draw
attention
to
the
fact
that
under
technical
circulation
there
is
a
circulation
for
an
official
plan
amendment
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
fire,
5
to
B,
Street
and
other
than
that
I
think.
That's
it
any
notices
of
motion
for
the
next
meeting
any
increase
they
we
are
adjourned.
Thank
you
very
much
for
taking
a
break
from
your
summer
and
we'll
see
you
on
Thursday
13th,
disappointment.