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A
Good
afternoon,
everyone
thank
you
for
coming.
This
is
a
least
attended
meeting
that
we've
ever
had
of
our
newly
minted
built
heritage
subcommittee
and
can
I
just
say:
that's
just
fine
with
me.
So
before
we
get
into
trouble
and
something
else
happens
that
will
cause
a
delay.
We
are
going
to
start
with
the
agenda.
A
A
Confirmation
of
minutes
from
April
10th
2014
anyone
have
any
changes
or
are
they
carried
carry
okay?
So
we
get
right
into
the
agenda
of
the
application
to
alter
60
plan
time
drive.
This
is
in
in
reader,
Rockville,
Ford
I.
Don't
think
we
have
any
speakers
and
so
that's
carry
applications.
This
is
the
fastest
I've
ever
been
able
to
move
here.
It's
exciting
application
to
alter
140,
Howard
Street
know
we
do
have
a
speaker,
but
before
you
come
up,
I
just
want
to
pass
the
mic
over
to
mr.
Smollett.
A
A
C
A
E
A
A
F
A
F
Sorry
thoughts
were
that
we
were
really
trying
to
create
something
that
respected
the
feeling
of
the
street,
the
feeling
of
the
village
respecting
the
footprint,
the
height,
not
change
the
feeling
of
the
place
too
much
but
capture.
We
thought
the
house
was
really
there
an
enhancer
in
the
process.
We
had
a
little
bit
and
I
apologize
for
a
little
bit
of
a
mess.
When
we
first
approached
the
city
about
this,
there
was
some
confusion
and
we
were
told
it
was
only
a
merits
issue.
F
It
was
a
new
staff
member
and
it
was
someone
not
from
Ottawa.
He
was
talking
to
him.
So
there
was
a
confusion
on
both
parts.
I
contacted
verge
because
I
live
in
Wroclaw
and
I
was
told
we
would
have
to
go
through
heritage
and
I
contacted
with
unless
Collins,
and
she
saw
me
right
away,
which
was
very
much
appreciated.
This
point
she
expressed
some
concerns
about
removing
the
bay
and
the
Timbers,
and
we
tried
to
work
with
that
and
I
thought
not
to
embarrass
him.
F
But
if
I
like
powered
the
best
archetype
to
be
able
to
do
that
which
is
Robert
Martin,
he
knows
Tudor,
he
knows
heritage.
He
knows
the
area
and
I
don't
feel
able
to
come
up
with
something
that
made
that
work.
It
did
not
seem.
It
didn't
mean
it
as
authentic
to
me
and
his
genuine,
and
he
can
talk
more
as
to
his
assessment
that
was
original
and
that
was
it
so
he's
prepared
revised
plans
which
respond
to
rock
with
marriage.
F
There
is
concerns
that
the
original
plans
had
a
little
bit
too
grand
a
front
door
and
overpowering
window,
so
those
were
changed
and
we
were
feeling
optimistic.
Our
neighbors
are
very
supportive
residents.
I
know
very
supportive.
We've
really
tried
without
really
respecting
the
feeling
of
it.
So
this
has
all
been
a
little
confusing
hope.
You'll
find
that
we
were
respecting
would
be
the
Heritage
feeling
of
the
street,
so
HN
house,
so.
F
F
I
saw
the
house
to
go
around
two-and-a-half
sides
of
the
house,
but
only
on
the
ground
floor,
which
is
not
typical
or
even
it's
very
well.
It's
not
a
Tudor
quality
to
have
it
on
the
ground
floor
and
then
the
further
recommendation
by
the
city
has
been
to
keep
the
cedar
hedge,
which
is
in
front
of
the
house.
It
goes
around
the
house,
but
we're
proposing
to
remove
these
cedar
hedge,
that's
in
the
front
of
the
house,
hadn't
exactly
determined
how
much
but
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
remove
it.
F
The
city
has
recommended
that
not
more
than
20
metres
of
the
40
metres
of
hedge
be
removed.
It's
a
very
aggressive
have
just
been
described
by
neighbors
as
hostile.
It's
dense
it.
You
know
it
blocks.
Not
only
this
house
I,
don't
think
any.
When
they're
in
the
sit
on
the
street
could
have
even
told
me
what
the
house
looks
like,
let
alone
whether
there's
timbers,
but
because
of
this
very
aggressive
hedge,
it's
not
even
it's
even
noted
in
terms
of
the
Heritage
survey
and
evaluation
form
from
some
years
ago
that
that
hedge
was
an
anomaly.
F
F
F
A
C
C
G
C
A
F
First
thing
you
see
when
we
get
to
a
house,
is
you
walk
up
to
the
front
door?
You
have
to
keep
a
very
narrow
path
because
of
course,
Yakov
doesn't
want
the
right
pass
at
the
front
and
to
have
to
you
know,
go
around
a
tree
which
also
has
branches
going
over
the
house
now
I,
don't
know
whether
the
city's
proposing
looking
after
the
tree,
you
know
mister.
F
A
A
D
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
madam
chair
and
members
of
committee.
As
has
miss
Baxter
had
provided
the
introduction.
I
won't
I
won't
dwell
on
that
too
much,
but
we
we
assessed
this
house
as
a
very
modest
serve
original.
What
we
call
Georgian
Foursquare
in
terms
of
its
symmetry
and
layout
and,
most
importantly,
we're
very
confident
that
the
Tudor
timbering,
and
especially
one
of
the
bays,
is
not
original
to
the
house.
It
was
a
later
addition.
D
It
was
not
very
well
done,
and
the
the
use
of
the
timbering
is
not
consistent
with
the
way
one
would
apply
to
their
timbering.
In
this
sense,
the
the
timbering
is
or
should
be
considered
a
little
more
than
a
kind
of
stylistic
applique.
That
was
pasted
on
to
a
very
plain
house,
and
this
is
in
one
sense,
very
consistent
with
many
homes
throughout
the
village
where
they
borrowed
from
from
many
architectural
periods
and
styles.
So
our
contention
is
that
the
the
bays
and
timbering
are
not
are
not
original.
D
They
don't
have
any
great
heritage
character
and,
in
the
same
way,
that
both
the
original
owner
and
the
owner
that
renovated
this
house
borrowed
from
their
stylistic
periods.
So
to
is
the
current
owner
doing
a
makeover,
if
you
like
of
a
house
and
again
from
the
early
20th
century
design
detailing
that
is
common
in
the
village.
D
D
As
Miss
Baxter
explained,
we
did
try
to
come
up
with
a
number
of
designs
that
retained
the
tudor
bays
and
it
was
most
unsatisfactory
to
our
client
and
to
us.
We
just
couldn't
come
up
with
a
scheme
that
that's
worked
and
then
once
once,
we
had
had
actually
made
the
investigations
that
confirmed
that
the
the
bays
and
the
Tudor
detailing
and
not
original
to
the
house
began
to
free
up
some
different
design
options.
D
So
in
the
sense
we
we
would
strongly
recommend
that
any
recommendation
to
retain
their
that
Tudor
timbering
of
the
bays
is
not
based
on
any
strong
heritage
argument
and
in
terms
of
the
hedge
as
well.
We
find
this
a
really
kind
of
assertive
and
unfortunate
aspect
to
the
house,
and
it's
again
noted
in
there
in
the
Heritage
character
statement,
is
being
an
anomaly
in
the
in
the
district.
D
If
you
like,
classic
alignment
of
the
house,
the
tree
is
placed
in
an
unfortunate
location
that
prevents
any
kind
of
axial
relationship
of
the
walkway
to
the
front
door
and
in
this
sense
and
I'm
sure,
client
will
be
committing
to
plant
additional
trees
and
there's
a
whole
landscape
plan
that
will
I
gain
contribute
to
the
to
the
maintenance
of
the
Heritage
Park
like
setting
of
the
of
the
village,
so
I
guess.
In
summary,
we
were
asking
consideration
to
not
tie
any
of
these
conditions
to
the
design.
D
A
You
before
we
go
to
committee
I'm
going
to
ask
miss
Collins.
If
you
would
like
to
comment
on.
Obviously
the
I
guess:
the
timing
of
the
build
of
the
base,
which
has
come
up,
the
attachment
of
the
looks
like
Tudor
to
the
property
too,
from
your
perspective,
visiter.
What
our
architect
and
owner
were
saying.
G
G
Martin
said
about
the
low
score
that
the
building
received
as
a
part
of
the
Rock
Park
Heritage,
Conservation
District,
its
score
still
makes
it
a
contributing
building
within
the
district
and
all
of
these
contributing
buildings
come
together.
As
one
thing
that
makes
a
special
place.
So
that's
the
job
of
the
Heritage
section
is
to
is
to
evaluate
the
character
of
that
special
place
and
and
how
these
changes
would
impact
that.
A
G
G
The
applicant
is
proposing
removing
the
hedge
completely
along
Howick
Street
staff
by
suggesting
that,
while
we
that
the
size
of
the
hedge
in
front
of
the
house
does
interrupt
the
streetscape
and
it
you
know,
it
takes
away
from
the
contribution
of
the
house
to
the
street
that
the
mature
hedge
is
a
very
common
landscape
feature
in
local
park
and-
and
there
are
guidelines
was
in
the
Rockland
Park
Heritage
Conservation
District.
That
suggests
retention
of
mature
landscape
features.
G
B
A
B
Part
of
the
reason,
I
think
that
I
feel
that
way
is
because
the
changes
that
were
made
to
the
house
and
the
half
timbering
have
not
been
visible
to
the
community
and
I
mean
I,
don't
know
how
long
it's
it
the
house
has
been
hidden
and
I.
Think
what's
proposed
will
be
an
attractive
intervention
in
the
house
and
I
think
that
the
removal
of
the
hedge,
a
you
know,
a
lot
of
that
has
to
be
part,
become
part
of
the
street
once
again.
So
I
think
it
is
a
good
idea
to
remove
it.
A
I
mean
make
not
removing
it
doesn't
mean
that
you
can't
have
an
arborist
come
in
and
take
care
of
and
to
do
the
trimming
and
that
sort
of
thing
too.
So
what
we've
got
before
us,
then
the
motion
says
that
approve
the
application
to
alter
140
Howick
Street,
according
to
plans
received
from
Robertson
Martin
architects
on
April
14th,
subject
to
retention
of
the
mature
tree
in
the
front
yard
and.
C
B
G
I
was
just
going
to
suggest
that
if
you
want
to
allow
the
removal
of
the
hedge,
you
do
not
need
to
put
a
motion
in
because
the
hedge
is
only
proposed
for
move
along
Halleck.
So
the
plans
show
the
hedge
retained
on
the
other
three
sides
of
the
property,
so
you
can
just
eliminate
D
altogether
and
not
replace
it
with
anything.
C
C
C
H
When
I
have
a
question,
I
guess
either
for
Leslie
and
my
or
my
colleague,
sandy
I
walked
up
and
down
Howick
street
and
it's
a
charming
small,
narrow
street.
But
I
wouldn't
say
that
this
was
the
only
hedge
on
Howard,
Street
I,
don't
know
somebody
sort
of
suggested
that
that
would
by
opening
it
up,
it
would
sort
of
be
in
keeping
with
the
rest
of
the
street.
But
in
fact
there
there's
a
lot
of
hedging
along
that
Street
and
I'm.
Just
I
thought
it
contributed.
I
could
immediately
sit
and
see.
H
I
certainly
thought
that
bringing
it
back
to
the
sight
lines
for
the
full
house
made
sense,
but
retaining
it
I
think
contribute
there's
a
bit
of
a
rise
kind
of
as
you
come
up
there
and
I
thought
that
it's
significant.
This
is
not
sort
of
a
five-foot
hedge.
This
is
a
significantly
high
hedge
I'm,
not
a
very
tall
person.
It's
like
I,
don't
think
that
it
would
be
out
of
the
question
for
the
owner
to
get
into
some
trimming.
H
I
thought
that
stood
about
15
feet
standing
up
the
street
because
there's
a
bit
of
a
rise
in
the
lawn
and
then
the
head
start.
So
it
wasn't
quite
high,
but
I
certainly
thought
that
the
trimming
it
could
open
some
exposure
to
that
side
of
the
house
as
you
approach
the
property
from
that
that
angle,
without
eliminating
it
completely
yeah.
So
I
just
you
know
what.
A
H
Yes,
you,
the
house,
is
there
it's
not
completely
hidden
behind
the
hedge,
but
you
could
by
trimming
the
lowering
the
hedge
you
could
yeah
there
there.
It
is,
and
you
get
to
see
that
the
very
attractive
roofline
as
it
is
there,
but
I
could
certainly
see
how
lowering
it
it's
also
an
incredibly
healthy,
beautiful
hedge.
That.
H
B
Thank
you,
I'm
sure
they.
This
is
a
subject
that
we
have
discussed
for
20
years
in
the
community,
about
there
isn't
a
right
or
wrong
answer.
Sometimes
when
we
one
of
the
features
of
the
landscape
in
the
village,
is
what's
known
as
a
shared
landscape,
and
that's
that
as
you
live
down
the
street,
you
see
there
isn't
necessarily
property
lines,
often
there's
a
sharing
of
the
landscape
and
an
openness
to
the
landscape
and
the
idea
of
hedging
it
off
is
something
that
a
lot
of
people
have
been
opposed
to
over
time.
B
So
we
have
really
had
an
issue
that
we've
dealt
with
with
individual
homeowners
is
what
their
preferences
we
really
have.
Not
in
fact,
in
my
own
house,
I
had
a
hedge
all
the
way
around
my
house
that
closed
it
off
and
we
removed
it,
and
our
neighbors
have
done
the
same
thing
with
removing
those,
and
it's
made
this
the
the
streetscape
more
friendly,
and
it's
made
it
more
open.
So
I
think
in
this
case,
you've
lost
the
house
from
the
street
and
by
removing
the
head
should
gain
the
house
back
in
the
streetscape
and
I.
B
Think
you
see
the
comments
from
the
neighbors
that
there's
nobody
in
opposition
to
a
removal
of
the
heads,
the
immediate
neighbors
are
in
support
of
that
and
I.
Think
that's
why
in
this
case,
it
makes
sense
to
allow
the
removal
of
the
hedge,
because
it's
something
that's
supported
by
the
immediate
neighbors
and
by
the
homeowner
and
I.
Don't
think,
frankly,
that
you're
going
to
get
a
well
maintained
hedge
from
a
property
owner
that
doesn't
want
it.
There
can.
A
G
B
H
Madam
chairman,
you
know
when
the
Spanish
ambassador
wanted
to
remove
his
hedge,
the
Walker
Park
residents.
Association
was
very
much
against
that
of
me
or
to
a
compromise,
so
he
could
retain
the
entire
hedge,
the
excitation
of
the
rock
of
Park
residents
associated
of
which
member
Smallwood
told
the
Spanish
ambassador.
Keep
that
head
yeah.
E
Plan
is:
do
you
their
very
very
best
to
try
to
guide
the
interventions
in
this
sort
of
wonderful
that
is
conservation,
district
and
I
think
that
we
naturally
best
reality?
This
is
a
religious
neighborhood
and
often
the
neighbors
are
the
the
best
monitors
of
community
values
and
the
fact
that
this
subcommittee
of
the
village
supports
the
changes
and
that
the
neighbors
aren't
objecting
I
think
is
an
important
factor
in
helping
us
to
assess
the
magnitude
or
the
the
interventions
I
do
by
Robert
Martin.
E
The
architects
argument
that
this
is
an
unremarkable
house
with
no
events
to
the
owners.
It
is
not
a
worthy
as
a
designation
on
your
part
for
the
Heritage
Act,
it's
modest,
it's
not
modest
in
size
and
I-
think
that
they
make
over
that
is
proposed
is
adopting
some
historical
references
in
for
a
building.
That
already
is
a
kind
of
hybrid,
so
I
support
the
amendment
that
sandy
small
one
has
brought
forward.
C
I
also
think,
though,
if
you
still
feel
the
trees,
a
problem
that
you'll
go
to
the
rock
roof
part
council
and
get
them
to
evaluate
whether
they
right
they
would
like
you
to
keep
the
tree
or
not,
because
that's
their
policies
we're
trying
to
keep
in
place.
And
if
they,
if
you
get
agreement
from
them,
that
you
can
remove
the
tree
in
time.
For
the
council
meeting,
which
would
be.
B
C
Then
I
can
bring
it
to
Council
when
this
matter
gets
to
Council.
If
there's
a
change
in
in
how
we
feel
about
it,
but
the
moment
the
Rockland
Park
residents
Association
clearly
has
indicated
a
desire
to
keep
mature
trees
and
that
lack
of
definition
means
that
your
tree
falls
into
the
mature
trees
day.
Just
like
the
chairlady
is
the
mature
chairman.
A
Not
as
mature
as
you,
but
there's
different
definitions
of
mature
one
isn't
always
to
do
with
age.
Okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
and
I'm
almost
losing
track
of
my
thoughts.
Here.
It's
convoluted
no
matter
house
how
easy
you
think
things
are
going
to
move
forward.
There's
always
something
that
comes
up.
So
we
have
the
that
part.
We
have
the
bill
to
Heritage.
So
when
you
accept
the
staff
recommendations,
with
the
exception
of
one
a
B
and
D,
you
want
yeas
and
nays.
Are
that
carried.
A
E
I'm
sure
this
relates
to
notice
of
motion
relating
to
the
demolition
of
92
and
96
hidden
Avenue
like
to
move
that
well,
as
a
notice
has
been
received
under
Section
27,
three
of
the
entire
heritage
action
respective
intention
to
the
motion
on
non
designated
heritage.
Property
listed
on
the
city's
heritage.
Rest
register
located
at
92
and
96,
hidden
Avenue
and
well
as
the
protocols
in
place
with
respect
to
these
types
of
notice,
should
be
clarified.
E
B
H
A
Thank
you,
everybody
for
changing
to
agreeing
to
meet
this
afternoon.
Instead
of
this
morning,
I
had
an
opportunity
at
one
of
my
schools
in
barn
Haven
as
a
party
to
be
a
mystery
reader
speaking
to
for
grade
two
classes,
one
of
which
was
my
grandson,
Robert
steamed
bakers,
and
he
was
so
surprised.
He
turned
purple
advisor
to
crawl
under
his
desk
anyway.
Thank
you.
Bye.