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Community and Protective Services Committee - March 22, 2018 - Audio Stream
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B
Must
really
have
one
question
at
this
point:
it
may
have
others
as
colleagues
chime
in
but
one
of
the
gentlemen
and
I'm
sorry,
we
had
a
lot
of.
We
had
a
lot
of
presentations.
This
morning
mentioned
a
committee
that
had
been
in
place
that
had,
in
his
opinion,
had
worked.
Well,
he
asked
you
right
there
yeah,
you
came
back
good
for
you
and
it's
not
there
anymore.
C
Yes,
we,
madam
chair,
we
had
interdepartmental
committee
that
was
comprised
of
representatives
from
most
departments
across
the
City
of
Ottawa,
following
the
realignment
and
the
shrinking
of
the
senior
leadership
team.
We
have
an
opportunity
to
basically
have
discussions
and
be
more
informed
on
all
of
the
different
portfolios.
C
So
I
can
assure
committee
that,
since
since
this
new
real
we've
had
an
opportunity
at
the
senior
leadership
team
to
have
a
fulsome
discussion
about
housing
and
the
ten-year
housing
and
homelessness
plan
with
what
we've
also
so,
there's
there's
a
familiarity
across
the
senior
leadership
team
in
terms
of
the
issues
and
the
opportunities
going
forward
and
the
work
that
needs
to
be
done.
What
we've
also
done
is
we've
and
were
engaging
with
each
department
individually,
those
that
were
listed
by
array,
specifically
people
like
real
estate.
We
also
have
an
upcoming
meeting
with
public
health
planning.
B
C
What
is
allows
us
to
do
when
we
have
the
interdepartmental
committee?
It
was
more
broad
because
there
was
so
many
people
coming
to
the
table.
Now.
What
we're
doing
is
we're
having
specific
conversations.
So,
for
example,
we
had
a
full
half
day
with
real
estate,
and
we
talked
about
the
needs
not
only
in
housing
but
across
the
entire
department,
and
we
developed
a
work
plan
specifically
to
real
estate
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
that.
Work
as
we
go
forward
and
that
work
plan
will
then
obviously
complement
the
work
that's
underway.
C
B
Thank
you
for
that,
and,
and
on
related
one
of
the
other
wendy
McClure
had
had
suggested
that
we
need
to
be
better
at
consultation
or
gaining
feedback
from
from
our
clients.
In
effect
and
wonder
if
you
could,
you
could
weigh
in
on
that,
what
you
think
of
that
and
how
you
might
be
able
to
implement
something
like
that
as.
C
Part
of
the
first
as
part
of
the
development
of
a
10-year
plan,
we
did
go
out
and
consult
with
people
with
lived
experience,
people
on
the
wait
list.
People
were
who
were
homeless,
we're
going
to
continue
to
go
through
those
those
various
forms
and
consultation
mechanisms
that
work.
We
have
done
surveys
in
the
past.
We
have
had
focus
groups
with
these
folks
in
the
past,
from
all
the
different
sectors
and
I'm
going
to
just
turn
it
over
to
Shelley
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
we
engage
them
in
terms
of
their
specific
needs.
D
Madam
chair,
yes,
certainly
through
this,
but
out
assessment
where
we're
assessing
people
in
the
shelter's,
it
looks
at
a
variety
of
different
life
domains
and
how
well
they're
functioning,
and
it
gives
the
opportunity
for
the
person,
who's,
administering
the
tool
and
the
person
who's
are
providing
the
answers
to
have
a
real
dialogue
about.
You
know
what
what
did
they
think
they
need,
what
kind
of
services
they
would
like?
Where
would
they
like
to
live
and
all
about
information,
not
just
the
score?
D
Another
suspect
comes
to
the
housing
comes
to
housing
services,
so
we
know
right
off
the
bat
on
our
by
name
list
what
people's
housing
preference
choices
are,
for
instance,
we've
also
included
at
different
points.
In
times
we
have
a
community
advisory
board
that
provides
advice
and
guidance
to
us
and
how
we
use
our
federal
homelessness
funding
and
we've
had
our
clients.
People
with
lived
experience
participates
on
that
committee.
Also,
okay,.
B
B
Obviously
we
just
got
it
so
a
chance
to
go
through,
but
one
of
the
recommendations
that
I
found
interesting
was
the
potential
or
the
possibility
of
buying
existing
homes
out
there
on
the
market
and
paying
the
mortgage.
If
you
will
through
the
Reds,
so
the
city
would
buy
the
homes.
So
I
guess
I
have
a
two-part
question
for
you
in
that
regard.
One
is
where
would
we
get
the
funding
to
do
that?
Would
we
be
diverting
funding
from
an
existing
program,
or
do
you
think
that
that's
a
new
funding
ask
if
you
will?
B
And
secondly,
how
do
we
message
that
if
you
will,
in
the
sense
that
we
have,
we
have
a
lot
of
families
out
there
that
are
not
or
not
homeless
per
se,
but
I'll
call
them
the
working
poor
and
they're
trying
to
put
together
their
down
payment
to
get
a
home
as
well?
And
so
how
would
you
what
process
do
you
envision?
B
E
Thanks
very
much
counselor
Engel
I
appreciate
that
the
I
guess
you
know
in
looking
at
that
recommendation.
There
was
a
couple
of
different
thoughts
that
that
came
forward
in
discussions
with
community
partners
and
and
also
folks
who
have
had
lived
experience
looking
for
affordable
housing
because
the
number
of
ways
you
could
approach
that
I
mean
I.
Think,
first
of
all,
the
good
news
is
that
the
the
city
already
had
a
program
to
to
prevent
to
provide
for
down
payments
and
I.
Think
Sade
can
probably
tell
me
what
year
that
was.
It
was
2013
14.
E
So
so
the
model
already
kind
of
exists.
The
problem
was,
although
it
was
successful,
it
wasn't
heavily
funded
and
there
was
some
concern.
Obviously
around
the
optics
of
that
helping
people
buy
houses
is
that
the
business
the
city
should
really
be
in.
But
when
you
look
at
other
successful
models,
organizations
like
Habitat
for
Humanity
and
you
look
at
our
own
arms-length
agencies
like
Ottawa
Community,
Housing,
part
of
our
Community
Housing,
and
a
lot
of
social
housing
providers
use
at
or
near
market
rent,
paying
individuals
to
try
and
balance
their
portfolios.
E
But
there's
also,
you
know
a
subset
of
people
who
are
in
affordable
housing
right
now,
who
are
for
want
of
a
better
word
house
blocking
they're,
the
folks
that
we
used
to
refer
to
in
the
medical
system
as
being
bed
blockers.
They
would
love
to
be
able
to
own
their
own
home
they're.
You
know:
employed
they're,
gainfully
working
they're
great
members
of
the
community,
but
they'll
never
be
able
to
save
up
the
money
for
a
down
payment,
but
helping
them
through
some
type
of
mechanism
to
get
into
a
scenario
where
they
own
their
own
property.
E
Even
if
we
need
to
support
them
for
a
little
while
in
doing
so
allows
us
to
both
free
up
that
affordable
housing
unit
and
place
them
in
a
situation
where
now
it's
not
a
systemic
kind
of
intergenerational,
you
know
the
next
generation
is
going
to
be
an
affordable
housing
as
well
potentially,
but
where
you
have
an
asset
at
the
end
of
the
line,
presenter
talked
about
tiny
homes.
You
know
she
said,
look
even
if
I
had
an
asset
at
the
end
of
the
line,
even
if
it
wasn't
big
it
would.
E
B
E
So
you
know
certainly
we
require
funding
now.
Some
of
the
good
news
is
that
the
federal
funding
that's
coming
the
stuff
that
has
less
strings
tied
to
it.
We've
had
conversations
with
Canadian,
Mortgage
and
Housing
Corporation
about
who's,
really
kind
of
the
agent
I
suppose,
with
respect
to
the
federal
a
lot
of
the
federal
programs
that
are
coming
down
and
they
are
open
to
having
the
discussion
about
this
kind
of
program.
E
You,
madam
chair
and
first
big,
thank
you
to
staff
for
your
report
and
for
your
immersion
in
this
subject.
Your
commitment
to
the
subject.
I
know
it's
probably
some
comments
today
that
were
hard
to
hear,
but
I've
never
second-guessed.
Your
commitment
to
this
particular
item
that
the
city's
trying
to
address
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
first
and
foremost,
and
to
our
colleague,
councillor
Taylor.
E
Thank
you
as
well
for
your
work
on
your
report
as
well,
which
I
will
be
reading
very
soon,
I'm,
going
to
try
and
keep
my
comments
about
high
level
or
you
know
we
can
spend
quite
a
while
getting
into
some
very
specifics,
but
I
just
want
to
give
you
sort
of
my
high
level
comments
and
questions
in
the
staff
report.
You
listed
a
number
of
challenges,
very
real
challenges.
E
You
talked
about
aging
social
housing
stock,
which
is
very
true,
increased
demand
for
housing,
the
availability
and
affordability
of
the
stock
itself,
the
adequacy
of
housing
for
people
on
fixed
incomes,
the
emerging
and
complex
needs,
and
the
decreasing
of
federal
funding
for
social
housing
programs
all
the
way,
real.
All
very
scary.
E
E
It's
kind
of
like
when
I
was
a
trustee
and
we
talked
about
what
our
reasons
why
kids
are
on
the
road
for
failure.
One
option
is
to
hire
more
teachers,
but
that
is
not
the
reason
why
those
kids
are
going
down
that
path.
You
have
to
try
and
understand
what
all
those
root
causes
are
and
try
and
put
your
resources
into
those
root
causes,
and
so,
if
we're
going
to
have
a
staff
report
that
follows
this
at
some
point,
it's
I
think
for
me.
E
When
we
talk
about
those
as
well,
do
we
know
the
number
of
people
who
are
homeless
when
this
10-year
period
began?
Was
there
an
actual
metric
in
the
report?
I'm
not
sure
if
I
saw
a
number,
but
at
the
beginning
of
2014
how
many
people
in
Ottawa
were
officially
homeless
and
given?
This
is
a
update
after
four
years,
how
many
people
are
homeless,
I
did
see
the
the
gender
numbers
I'm,
not
sure,
if
that's
the
actual
than
the
metric,
what
we're
using
but
I
just
wanted
you
to
comment
on
that.
D
Yes,
certainly,
madam
chair,
certainly
when
the
10-year
plans
started.
If
we
looked
at
the
total
number
of
unique
people
who
utilized
an
emergency
shelter
over
the
course
of
the
year
in
2014,
it
was
six
thousand
five
hundred
and
two
people
at
the
end
of
2017
that
has
grown
to
seven
thousand
five
hundred
and
thirty
people.
E
So
councillor
Taylor's
report
has
a
number
of
recommendations.
How
do
how
does
your
report
in
his
report?
How
do
they
get
married
like
what
happened?
What
happens
after
today
I
mean
really
we're
getting
a
status
update
but
I'm
I'm,
just
as
interested
in
how
to
make
significant
improvements
from
this
point
on
we've
heard
a
lot
of
good
feedback
today,
a
lot
of
good
suggestions.
I
saw
you're
writing
stuff
down
after
the
dust
settles.
How
do
we
move
forward
after
today
to
make
sure
there
is
a
realistic
plan
to
end
homelessness
within
six
years?
C
Madam
chair
I'm,
just
going
to
echo
with
what
councillor
Taylor
just
said.
We
have
to
date
for
a
while
first,
so
so,
there's
a
lot
of
good
information
in
there.
There
was
extremely
robust
consultation
of
Shelley
and
I
were
involved
in
some
of
those.
So
we're
aware
of
some
of
the
of
the
discussion
around
some
of
these
things.
These
were
some
of
these
were
shared
with
us
as
well,
but,
like
yourselves,
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
fully
comprehend
and
understand
all
the
context
in
there.
C
So
we're
going
to
continue
to
look
at
that
and
any
consideration
will
be
given
to
every
single
recommendation
and
will
will
form
part
of
the
discussions
in
the
consultation
that
will
be
having
going
forward
over
the
coming
year
and
that
to
inform
the
the
Refresh
plan
and
certainly,
if
there's
anything
that
we
can
implement
in
the
meantime,
within
the
existing
resources
and
in
consultation
with
with
the
partners
we
will.
We
will
certainly
do
that.
C
E
Can
you
just
remind
the
committee
and
myself
how
much
time
there
is
between
receipt
of
the
tabling
of
your
report
today
the
reception
of
councillor
Taylor's
report,
the
amount
of
time
you
need
to
to
digest
and
absorb
what
is
being
recommended?
You
said
you're
going
out
for
another
round
of
consultations,
but
is
this
committee
going
to
receive
another
report
or
your
battle
plan
within
X
number
of
months?
When
is
that
exactly
going
to
be
retailed
so.
D
The
Consul
to
Madame
chair,
so
the
consultation
that
needs
to
take
place
for
the
midpoint
review
will
start
in
2018
and
go
over
into
2019
because
we
have.
We
have
a
lot
of
consultation
to
do
so,
and
we've
heard
a
lot
of
great
ideas
here
today
that
people
would
like
to
share
with
us.
So
certainly
we
be
anticipating
about
bringing
a
report
back
sometime
in
2019
I
would
say
later
spring
and
we
can
also
take
the
recommendation,
councillor
Taylor's
reports
and
also
consult
more
broadly.
D
You
know
with
those
particular
recommendations
and
at
that
point
in
time,
we'll
also
have
a
better
idea
of
some
of
the
funding
we
may
receive
through
the
National
Housing
Strategy.
So
we'll
also
see
you
know,
what's
what's
financial
fine,
financially
feasible
to
implement
within
our
within
our
budgets.
Thank.
E
D
Well,
madam
chair,
sorry,
please
forget
the
the
rationale
is
at
the
federal
operating
agreements
are
tied
to
mortgages
right
so
as
mortgages
expire,
the
operating
dollars
that
are
attached
to
those
mortgages
expire
along
with
it.
So
you
know
we
have
seen
that
decline,
as
mentioned
from
32
million
to
28
million.
It
now
starts
to
drop
off
more
precipitously
starting
this
year.
Moving
forward,
we
have
heard
some
strong
commentary
that
the
federal
government
is
looking
to
backstop
that
funding,
but
they've
been
a
little
bit
light
on
details.
So
far.
E
In
the
meantime,
the
City
of
Ottawa
taxpayers
have
to
make
up
that
gap
either
we
have
to
we
haven't
committed
to
raising
taxes,
but
basically
we're
deciding
to
to
backstop
that
withdrawal,
federal
funds
and
and
we're
not
doing
other
projects
that
we
could
be
doing.
But
ultimately
the
city
has
to
take
over
that
funding
decrease.
F
Uh-Huh
Thank
You
chair
and
thank
you
staff
to
and
to
councillor
Taylor
for
the
materials
this
morning.
Actually,
my
questions
build
build
on
what
council
Brockington
was
just
speaking
about
and
I
guess
where
the
question
is
coming
from
is
I'm
wondering
whether
having
established
what
I
think
are
very
ambitious
targets
back
in
2013
I
think
there
were
the
right
targets.
They
were
ambitious
targets,
I'm
wondering
whether
maybe
the
first
question
to
Janice
and
her
team
is:
have
you
articulated
at
this
stage
what
it's
going
to
take
to
get
there?
So
we've
got
the
targets.
F
We
know
what
we
want.
The
plan
is
very
clear,
almost
working
backwards
if
we
want
to
imagine
a
future
Council
in
2020
for
cutting
the
ribbon
on
ending
homelessness
and
cutting
the
ribbon
on
limiting
shelter
stays
to
three
weeks
working
backwards.
From
that
point,
do
we
know
what
is
what
it's
going
to
take
to
get
there
as
that
being
outlined,
figured
out
articulated
it
by
your
team
and
I'm?
Not
this
isn't
a
gotcha
question.
I
mean
I'm.
Just
trying
to
understand
and
I'll
have
a
follow-up
question
once
you've
answered
that.
C
So
at
this
point
we
do
not.
So
when
we
contemplated
the
initial
plan,
it
was,
as
you
said,
ambitious,
and
it
was
difficult
to
know
what
kind
of
resources
what
kind
of
changes
we
didn't
even
contemplate
housing
first
at
the
time,
so
it's
been,
the
priorities
haven't
changed.
The
actions
within
the
plan
certainly
have,
and
each
time
they
have.
We
come
back
to
committee
and
council
on
those
things.
C
I
think
we
have
a
really
more
concrete
idea
now,
in
terms
of
you
know
what
it
takes
to
build
supportive
housing,
what
it
takes
to
fund
it
for
the
health
needs,
as
well
as
the
ongoing
operating.
So
when
we
look
at
the
whole
gamut,
including
the
shelters
and
all
the
rest
of
it,
I
think
we
would
be
very
much
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
say
for
this
outcome.
This
is
what
kind
of
investment
we
would
be
needing.
C
So
you
know
this
is
what
we
think
we
can
be
we'll
be
able
to
achieve,
and
if
you
want
to
accelerate
that
it
would
be
X
million.
X
million,
X
million
I
think
will
be
much
better
position
to
be
able
to
identify
that.
And
a
lot
of
the
work
in
the
study
in
the
data
that
we've
been
accumulating
in
the
last
four
years
would
be
able
to
inform
that.
F
F
F
We
really
want
honest
and
courageous
advice
from
you
is,
you
have
to
say
to
us
counsel.
You've
said
you
want
to
end
home
homelessness.
Now
here's
our
analysis
of
what
we
think
it
will
take
and
I
suspect,
and
you
could
gather
if,
on
my
questions
earlier
to
some
of
the
guest
speakers,
that
we
can't
do
it
with
existing
funding
and
I.
Think
it's
going
to
be
important
for
you
to
be
able
to
tell
us
if
you
want
to
end
homelessness.
F
This
is
what
it's
going
to
take
in
terms
of
a
dollar
figure
in
terms
of
some
of
the
efficiencies
we've
talked
about
and
then
I
think
it's
our
job
to
say.
Well,
geez,
that's
a
really
big
number!
We've
got
to
go
figure
it
out
from
the
province
and
the
feds.
How
we're
going
to
do
that
and
am
I
not
right
that
the
province
has
also
established
an
ending
homelessness
target
around
the
same
year?
Is
it
2024
as
well?
Yes,
that's
2025
right,
so
you
know
I
think
what
it
does.
F
Is
it
arms
us,
so
we
can
go
to
Queens,
Park
and
say:
look
you
want
to
end
homelessness.
What
our
staff
are
telling
us
is
to
do
that
in
Ontario,
it's
going
to
take
X
and
we
don't
have
X.
We
have
X
a
significant
Delta
and
then
I
think
the
political
level
of
all
three
levels
of
government
have
to
make
a
decision,
whether
we're
actually
willing
to
dedicate
the
effort
and
the
energy
and
the
resources
that
you
tell
us.
F
My
second
question
gets
at
some
of
the
issues
that
we
heard
our
speakers
talk
about
this
morning.
They
were
talking
about
some
best
practices
in
other
municipalities
within
Ontario.
I
must
admit:
I,
don't
know
enough
about
those
to
be
able
to
comment
intelligently
about
them,
but
I'm
wondering
there
was
a
bit
of
a
repeated
suggestion
that
we
could
do
a
better
job
of
sort
of
understanding
how
we're
doing
on
housing.
First,
there
was
mention
of
fidelity
assessments.
Councillor
leaper
asked
some
questions
related
to
that.
What's
your
take
on
that
are
those
issues
are.
F
Is
there
some
other
some
valuable
ideas
there
that
either
you're
planning
on
following
through
on
or
you
think
it
would
be
useful
for
further
discussion?
What's
your
assessment
of
whether
we
have
the
right
data
set
in
terms
of
evaluating
how
we're
doing
and
whether
there
are
best
practices
that
we
as
a
city
can
benefit
from
other
jurisdictions
from.
D
Madam
chair
I
think
there's
always
our
best
or
promising
practices
that
we
can
take
from
from
other
municipalities.
Certainly
those
some
I
would
say
some
of
the
communities
out
west,
who
were
who
are
definitely
leaders
in
implementing
housing
first,
so
I
do
think.
There
is
always
a
lessons
to
be
learned.
I
can
tell
you
that
we
do
have
a
robust
and
extensive
housing
first
program.
We
have
about
nine
point
nine
million
dollars
invested
in
it.
We
have
not
done
a
formal
fidelity
assessment
which
people
talk
about
the
pathways
for
double
the
assessment.
D
We
do
a
modified
fidelity
assessment
of
a
year
with
employment
and
Social
Development
Canada,
it's
a
requirement
of
the
funding
we
receive
from
them.
We
are
committing
to
doing
the
pathways
model
of
fidelity
assessment
through
the
operational
review
that
we're
going
to
undertake
of
the
housing
first
program.
We
actually
use
a
system
called
the
homeless
individuals
and
families
information
system
to
track
our
data
around
housing
and
homelessness.
We
have
the
largest
data
set
across
Canada,
so
we're
actually
were
leaders
in
that
regard.
D
We
also
have
a
by
name
list
similar
to
what
was
spoken
about
earlier.
We
just
use
a
different
database
to
track
ours.
Ours
is
it
an
Access
database,
so
we
have
all
the
key
components
in
place
that
are
necessary
for
housing
first
program,
which
are
diversion
assessment,
coordinated
access
case
management
supports.
You
know
we
partner
with
some
of
the
agencies
that
were
here
today
talking
about
housing.
First
new
CMHA
is
a
strong
partners
about
of
ours.
We
fund
nine
positions
with
them
through
our
city
housing
first
program,
so
we
you
know
we're
having
great
outcomes.
D
519
chronically
homeless
single
people
have
been
housed
since
we
started
in
April
of
last
year,
so
I
do
think
that
our
program
is
working
and
we
have
true
fidelity
to
many
many
components
of
the
fidelity
assessments.
Certainly
there's
always
improvements
in
any
in
any
program.
We
recently
increased
our
housing
allowance
so
that
people
have
the
affordability
that
they
need
for
us
to
get
to
true
fidelity
of
the
program.
F
Okay,
I'll
leave
that
question.
I
just
got
one
last
question,
madam
chair,
and
that
is
related
to
the
target
in
the
original
2013
plan.
I'll
just
read
it
out
achieve
40%
savings
in
funding
from
emergency
shelters
by
2024,
and
the
goal
was
to
see
those
savings,
reinvested
into
prevention
and
I
know.
Joe.
F
We
all
know
that
shelter
stays
are
inexpensive
solution
to
this
problem,
but
in
light
of
the
target
and
in
light
of
the
complex
funding
streams
involved,
what
is
I'm
asking
the
million
dollar
question
I
mean
what
is
the
pathway
then
to
achieving
this
target
of
forty
percent
savings?
If
the
idea
that
the
premiums
are
coming
from
the
province,
we
want
the
province
to
say:
hey
actually,
we'd
rather
have
that
money
for
prevention.
F
D
Madam
chair,
so
we
did
achieve
about
a
million
dollars
of
savings
for
implementing
our
various
programs
under
the
ten-year
plan
in
2015.
You
know
the
demand
is
really
what's
creating
the
issues
for
us
right
now.
You
know
we
put
all
these
effective
programs
and
processes
in
place
and
we're
moving
people
out
into
housing,
but
at
the
same
time
you're
moving.
You
know
you're
moving
10
people
and
20
people
or
behind
calling
in
so
it's
really
trying
to
get
get
a
get
a
handle
on
the
demand
and
we've
chosen
to
be
a
city.
D
That's
one
welcoming
and
we
provide
safe
shelter
for
everybody
who's
in
crisis
in
need.
So
it's
it's
a
significant
issue.
I
mean
we
do
have
a
lot
of
families
in
motels,
for
instance,
but
I
didn't
speak
to
the
fact
that
of
with
those
families
in
motels,
we
actually
moved
542
families
through
our
family
shelter
system
in
2017,
which
is
about
1700
individuals.
So
we
are
making
progress.
D
It's
it
is
challenging
right
now
we
would
like
to
convert
that
money
into
housing.
It
will
into
support
services
and
certainly
on
the
prevention
end,
but
to
be
able
to
have
a
real
impact
right
now.
I
did
a
little
bit
of
math
earlier.
If
I
was
to
take
everybody
that
was
in
a
hotel
right
now.
I
need
about
2.1
million
dollars
in
new
funding
for
ongoing
subsidies
to
move
them
out
into
the
community,
and
then
we'd
have
to
hope
that
there
weren't
300
people
behind
them,
knocking
on
the
door.
F
Right
but
I
guess
the
simple
way
of
looking
at
this
would
be
to
say
if
mr.
and
mrs.
Jones
and
their
two
children
require
housing
and
right
now
the
province
is
spending
$3,000
a
month,
putting
them
up
in
a
motel
one
Montreal
Road
or
wherever.
You
know
the
of
course
where,
where
one's
mind
goes
as
well,
can't
we
ask
the
province
to
instead
of
spending
the
$3,000
on
the
motel
fees,
spend
the
$1,800
on
a
ret
on
a
rent
supplement
and
the
savings
would
be
there.
But
obviously
it's
not
that
simple.
F
D
Madam
chair,
the
province
right
now
is
just
actually
set
rules
and
the
program
guidelines
for
that
particular
funding
stream.
It's
called
the
community
homelessness
prevention
initiative.
So
it
says
that
that
funding
that's
using
to
pay
Prodi
or
cannot
be
turned
into
ongoing
housing
subsidies
when
supplements
or
housing
allowances.
So
it's
actually
a
program
rule.
It
does
say
you
can
do
it
in
the
short
term
and
you
have
to
do
a
business
case,
but
it's
in
the,
but
you
have
to
exhaust
all
your
other
funding
sources.
E
You
know
the
datasets
and
we
heard
that
over
and
over
and
over
again
and
Janice
and
Shelley
and
her
team,
the
staff
team
have
done
an
outstanding
job.
They
spoke
about
the
data
set
they
have
with
and
the
data
that
comes
from
the
speed
at
tool
on
the
shelter
intake,
but
there
is
an
unexplored
I
think
opportunity
to
try
and
bridge
that
a
little
further.
You
know
whether
we
use
kind
of
an
epidemiological
model
to
get
to
what
councilor
brockington
was
talking
about,
which
is
there's
the
incidences
homeless
predictors
of
homelessness.
E
Where
does
that
come
from
right?
So
everything
right
now
as
much
as
we've
enlarged?
The
partnerships
still
operates
under
kind
of
a
housing
and
almost
this
bubble.
It
doesn't
extend
beyond
that
necessarily
too
far
into
other
social
service
agencies,
other
deliverers
of
care,
so
there's
an
opportunity
there
where
without
getting
to
Big
Brother
about
it.
You
know
we
have
the
opportunity
to
perhaps
look
at
perhaps
some
of
the
front-end
investments
that
we
could
make
at
diversion.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
cancel
flurry.
G
The
perception
hotel,
no
expected
or
evening
and
I
want
to
also
thank
my
colleague,
councillor
Taylor
County
also
sits
with
me
on
our
committee
housing
and
obviously
we
know
the
importance
of
housing
and
I
live
some
of
the
operational
challenges
from
our
shelters
and
some
of
the
housing
needs
in
our
city,
but
certainly
having
a
fulsome
review
interview
process.
There's
a
lot
of
content
to
absorb
in
that
and
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity.
So
thank
you
for
that.
G
My
questions
are
to
staff
basically,
and
they
refer
to
going
back
what
the
sense
that
I'm
getting-
and
we
can
talk
about
funding
and
stuff
like
that.
But
the
reality
is
the
province
and
the
feds
will
have
their
programs
and
that
will
define
what
their
priorities
are
and
that
will
have
local
impacts
in
Ottawa.
What
I'm
not
hearing
or
what
I'm
not
seeing
is
what
is
the
city
of
Ottawa's
priorities.
G
C
C
C
When
we
get
the
money
from
the
federal
government
in
the
provincial
government,
while
they
they
do
have
some
guidelines
and
some
requirements,
we
use
that
funding
to
meet
our
specific
needs,
and
so
the
perfect
example
of
that
is
supportive.
Housing
when
the
province
provides
us
provides
us
with
I.h
funding,
it
does
not
say,
go
out
and
build
a
supportive
housing.
That
is
our
priority.
That's
specific
and
it
feeds
all
the
way
through
our
plan.
C
If
we
can
gain
some
savings
from
people
in
shelters,
which
is
what
we
want
to
do,
then
we
can
reinvest
it
into
into
prevention.
So
everywhere
we
have
every
opportunity
to
use
our
funding,
as
well
as
the
federal
provincial
government.
It's
to
meet
the
needs
that
we
identified
together
as
a
sector,
and
we
we
can't
say,
for
example,
let's
build
new
construction
if
we
get
repair
money,
but
we
know
there's
a
huge,
you
would
know
that
we
have
a
huge
repair
gap
in
Ottawa,
Community,
Housing
and
the
other
providers.
C
These
are
not
a
large
number
they're
very
specific
and
they're
there
they're
not
there's,
there's
not
an
intestinal
amount
of
them,
they're
very
specific
and
the
funding
that
we
go
goes
directly
to
to
improving
those
in
those
specific
areas
and
one
of
the
big
ones.
Obviously,
we're
talking
about
is
ending
chronic
homelessness,
so
every
resource
that
we
can
use
is
towards
those
those
those
outcomes.
Okay,
said.
G
It
I
want
to
talk
for
my
questions
really
are
the
next
range
are
really
relating
to
data
and
and
how
to
make
the
data
speak
so
the
tool
that
we
have
that
captures
the
data?
My
understanding
is
the
speed
at
tool.
How
does
that
refer
to
other
housing
providers
or
other
municipalities
in
Ontario
and
nationally?
What
data
tool
did
they
use
to
to
know
who's
in
the
system?
And
how
do
we
properly
house
folks.
D
So
many
community,
madam
chair,
then
it
can
hear
these
across
Canada
use
the
hypothesis
and
homeless
individuals
and
families
information
system.
It's
primarily
used
to
book
people
in
and
out
of
shelters,
but
there's
a
lot
of
demographic
information,
that's
in
there
and
we're
also
moving
to
a
web
bate
web-based
version
of
this
tool
very
shortly.
So
it's
not
used
on
across
Canada
a
few
other
communities
have
developed
their
own
homeless,
homeless
management,
information
system,
I
believe
Calgary
and
Toronto
have
created
their
own
systems.
D
The
spit
out
tool
is
simply
just
an
assessment
tool
and
that
data
and
it
comes
to
Housing
Services,
and
we
only
use
that
data
to
prioritize
and
match
people
and
case
managers
use
it
ongoing
as
a
tool
to
see
to
check
in
with
people
to
see
other
needs
decreasing.
So
the
tool
is
actually
readmitted
at
various
intervals,
once
somebody's
housed.
Just
on
another
note,
the
city
is
collaborating
with
8
other
organizational
municipalities
across
Ontario
to
develop
another
tool
called
the
how
it's
called
housing
collaborative
initiative.
D
G
D
Once
the
spit
out
assessment
is
administered
that
that
individuals,
name
and
information
and
some
basic
demographics,
housing
choice
and
their
acuity
score
comes
to
housing
services,
and
we
then
use
that
that's
the
by
name
list.
It's
what
we
call
the
coordinated
access
function.
So
it
comes
to
Housing
Services,
and
we
use
that
by
nameless.
D
G
So
again,
we'll
use
Shelley
as
the
example
here
so
Shelley's
been
in
shelters
for
over
90
days.
Your
priorities
already
identified
as
the
the
triage
or
the
QT
triage
has
been
done
as
well.
So
then,
what
happens
to
the
individual
wants
their
house
so
they're
off
that
list
they're
off
the
priority
list,
but
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
understand
is
that
loopback,
if
they
that
person
loses
housing
within
you
know
three
years,
let's
say
and
they're
back
into
a
priority
context.
How
does
that
fit
into
the
algorithm.
D
So
when
people
are
housed
their
house
with
ongoing,
supports
with
a
case
manager
and
they
provide
practical
supports
that
case
management
supports
lasts
until
people
are
ready
to
graduate
from
the
program,
and
that
depends
on
the
individual.
Some
people
may
just
need
support
in
the
housing
for
six
months.
Others,
twelve
are
those
eighteen.
My.
G
Respected
not
not
to
interrupt
what
I'm,
what
I'm
concerned
about
is
Shelley
Van
Buskirk
who's
now
housed,
who
loses
that
unit
for
a
reason,
X
Y,
Zed
who's
back
on
a
shelter
list?
Do
we
know
that
without
you
know,
obviously
there
might
be
people
that
know
and
work
with
Shelley
in
the
past,
but
do
do
we
know
in
the
system
that
this
is
a
person
that
was
already
housed
was
already
under
a
priority
and
that's
coming
back.
Yes,.
D
So,
if
I
graduate
from
the
program
at
nine
months,
the
case
management
agency
that
was
working
with
me,
I
can
reconnect
with
them
for
a
period
of
about
I
believe
it's
about
twelve
twelve
months
or
so
to
provide.
So
they
can
continue
to
write
supports
if
they
leave
and
I'm.
In
my
housing
for
two
years,
I
just
stabilized
I
go
back
to
the
shelter.
I
will
be
triaged
within
72
hours,
without
assessment
tool
again
and
because
I've
already
had
an
attachment
to
housing.
A
goal
would
be
to
get
me
rehoused
as
quickly
as
possible.
Okay,.
G
D
G
G
Let's
be,
let's
be
conservative,
so
take
the
number
300
and
times
it
by
you
know
the
average
Hotel
night,
which
is
a
hundred
and
ten
dollars
and
then
time
it
by
the
amount
of
days
that
equates
to
and
that's
a
lot
of
money.
That's
in
a
million
dollar
range.
That's
probably
five
million
dollar
I
haven't
done
the
stats,
but
just
quickly
in
my
mind.
G
So
that's
what
I
don't
understand
the
system
we're
able
all
of
a
sudden
to
unlock
funds
which
provide
emergency
response
to
those
that
we
want
a
house
how
come
we're
not
able
to
unlock
that
money
and
say
we're
going
to
get
rents.
Ups
we're
going
to
get
housing
first,
we're
going
to
go
into
social
housing,
we're
going
to
work
with
private
and
take
that,
like
with
five
million
bucks
over
five
months
whoa,
we
can
make
a
massive
dent.
C
We
will
I
think
a
lot
of
folks
who
spoke
out
today
said
that
part
of
the
system
we
have
to
include
shelters.
So,
if
all,
if
we
subsidized
everybody
that
left
the
shelter
today,
they
would
need
that
subsidy
subsidies
about
a
Varenne
supplement
is
about
six
hundred
and
sixty
dollars
a
month.
We
would
have
to
continue
to
provide
that
six
hundred
sixty
dollars
that
family
for
as
long
as
they
would
need
it.
C
What
would
happen
to
and
if
you
recall,
a
lot
of
the
discussion
today
was
about,
we
have
55
thousand
families
living
in
poverty
and
we
have
24,000
options
and
we
have
newcomers.
We
have
people
who
destabilize.
So
if
we
take
all
that,
we
could
and
lock
that
funding
and
it
would
follow
everybody,
and
we
would
have
nothing
remaining
for
the
people
who
then
let.
G
The
city,
so
my
point
is
when,
when
I
hear
from
the
community
on
whether
leadership
is
that's
where
the
gap
is
that's
what
the
community
is
asking
about,
it
is
saying
how
come
on
a
day
to
day
you
can
unlock
funds
and
put
people
in
shelters.
Where
does
that
pot
of
money
come
from?
It
seems
endless,
but
you
can't
transfer
that
into
a
permanent
option.
That's
what
I
don't
get!
That's
what
I
don't
understand
in
the
system,
we're
we're
seeing
pressures
in
families
and
we'll
keep.
G
We
know
that
that's
low-hanging
fruits
that
families
a
lot
of
them
are
new
comers
refugee
immigrants.
They're
not
housed,
they're,
not
house,
where
those
kids
are
not
going
to
scroll
for
a
period
of
six
months,
then
we're
transferring
them
across
the
city.
We're
funding
them
funding
unit,
we're
not
giving
that
family
a
chance
right,
and
that
to
me
is
that,
where
I'd
like
to
go
and
in
my
mind
and
jazz
I,
know
you'd
love
to
answer
but
to
wrap
up
the
committee
conversation
from
I
on
it's.
The
following
is
at
the
last
committee.
G
We
had
the
report
from
an
indigenous
community
and
of
that
we
had
a
housing
component,
I
believe
that
Shelley
and
her
team
is
heading
in
the
right
direction,
with
provincial
and
federal
talks
on
the
urban,
a
Berber,
an
Aboriginal
funding
for
housing.
So
I
don't
need
to
talk
about
that
tonight.
Today,
I
see
the
youth
numbers
dropping
and
I'm
confident
with
the
funds
that
went
to
the.
Why
is
be
that
that's
going
to
continue
to
draw
so
I'm.
G
Confident
of
that
where
I'm
concerned
is
the
conversation,
we've
had
around
shelters
and
it
doesn't
relate
specifically
to
the
Salvation
Army
on
Montrell
Road.
It
specifies
that,
right
now
the
shelters
are
becoming
very
equipped
with
services.
You
think
of
inner
city,
health,
you
think
of
other
providers,
and
when
we
house
someone,
then
the
services
that
they
need.
You
can
attach
it
that
it
be
an
och
that
it
being
COC.
You
lose
that
service.
G
So
we
have
to
be
very
careful
at
this
committee
and
as
government's
to
over
service
a
shelter
world,
because
you
you
become
a
stopgap
or
people
can
be
housed.
They
don't
have
the
service
when
their
house
to
make
sure
that
they're
successful
tendencies
that's
one
of
the
points.
But
the
second
point
is:
if
there's
one
priority,
that
we
really
need
to
unlock
and
change
the
model,
and
you
know
every
stone,
unturn
internal
working
groups
get
the
thing
going
is
on
families
and
when
I
see
that
number
go
up,
it
is
tragic.
G
It
is
tragic
for
all
of
us,
I
see
the
staff
agree,
but
we
really
have
to
like
change
the
tone
on
how
we're
going,
because
those
pressures
are
going
to
continue
and
this.
This
automation
of
no
resolution
just
compounds
itself,
which
continues
to
add
pressure
to
all
of
us
and
to
all
the
providers
in
the
room,
so
I'll
be
coming.
I
know
many
committee
members
know
that
I
prepared
direction
to
staff
that
relate
to
my
last.
My
last
little
statement
here.
H
Thank
You,
chair
and
I'm,
going
to
pick
up
on
the
blast
points
that
councillor
flurry
made
with
regards
to
the
newcomers,
particularly
the
Syrian
newcomers,
the
2200,
plus
that
we
have
in
the
City
of
Ottawa,
as
well
as
some
of
the
recent
American
Haitian
Americans
that
came
over
the
border
as
well.
For
the
that
put
some
pressure
and
some
of
them
I
know
went
back
and
there
was
some
work
that
was
done
in
Cornwall,
I
believe
where
they
set
up
a
stadium
there
for
them.
So
can
you
speak
about
that?
H
My
sense
is
generally,
you
know
most
of
the
Syrian
newcomers
that
are
here
now
have
been
housed
and
and
seemed
to
be
doing,
okay
from
a
housing
perspective.
But
what
impact
have
those
new
Syrian
newcomers
and
have
a
have
on
these
numbers
that
we
have
before
us
today,
as
well
as
some
of
the
the
Haitian
Americans?
That
came
as
well
with
some
of
the
changes
with
the
legislation
in
the
States
that
was
coming
from
the
president.
There.
D
Madam
chair,
so
certainly
what
we
didn't
see
with
the
Syrian
population
that
was
resettle.
As
we
didn't
see.
Very
many
of
the
Syrian
people
need
to
access
any
of
the
family,
shelter
services.
It
was
less
than
five.
If
that-
and
certainly
we
didn't
really
see
anybody
destabilize
at
the
month.
Thirteen
part
where
they
transition
on
to
Ontario
works,
certainly
the
we
started
tracking
in
August
of
last
year,
the
increase
of
refugee
claimants
from
the
US
Haitians
people
from
Congo
born
day.
There
were
many
many
different
communities
that
were
represented
there.
D
We
do
know
that
quite
a
number
made
their
way
there.
It
continues
still.
We
provide
updates,
I
believe
we've
on
to
monthly
updates
now.
So
we
do
know
that
over
300
households
have
presented
themselves
requesting
emergency
shelter,
placement
we've
diverted
some
of
those
households
on
all
of
the
singles
we'll
refer
to
the
singles
family,
shelters
and
we've
placed
I
believe
it
was
48
families
of
that
particular
group
in
how.
H
I
know
you
work
closely
with
those
shelters.
How
are
they
doing
now?
I
know
there
was
a
period
where
they
were
completely
at
capacity
and
they
were
having
to
sometimes
even
ask
their
friends
or
family
members
to
host
some
of
these
people,
so
how?
How
was
the
relationship
with
those
shelters
now
and
how
how's
that
moving
forward?
Madam.
D
Chair
so
certainly
over
parts
of
the
summer
and
into
the
fall,
we
were
very
much
a
capacity
both
with
the
family
shelters
and
with
our
contracted
partners.
That's
all
of
their
family,
shelter,
services,
the
YMCA
Catholic
Center
for
immigrants,
and
there
was
a
lack
of
hotel,
motel
rooms
because
of
the
2017
celebrations,
so
that
impacted
our
capacity
to
be
able
to
respond,
but
that
that
situation
has
approved
into
the
new
year.
So
we
we
do
have.
We
do
have
capacity
so.
D
There's
no
madam
chair,
there's
no
Peaks
that
I
have
personally
heard
of
but
I
do
know
that.
There's
talk
that
we
will
continue
to
see
waves
of
refugee
claim
it's
from
the
US.
As
you
know,
President
Trump
and
temporary
protected
status
for
a
variety
of
different
groups
and
I
certainly
think
if
I'm
quoting
it
accurately
that
the
federal
government
has
increased
our
immigration
targets
for
this
year.
So
I
I,
don't
think
we're
out
of
the
woods.
I
think
we're
continued
to
see
a
steady
flow.
Thank
you.
H
You
know
we
talk
a
lot
about
it,
the
people
that
are
on
the
list
and
and
the
people
that
are
there
now
as
well.
But
you
know
how
do
we
deal
or
what
are
we
doing
in
terms
of
people
that
are
moderate
to
low
income
and
preventing
most
people
as
well
from
from
moving
on
to
the
waiting
list
as
well?
How
much
work
or
effort
or
energy
is
going
towards
that
part
people
that
may
be
at
risk
at
some
point
in
the
future.
D
Madam
chair,
so
we
certainly
do
invest
in
housing
loss
prevention
services.
We
coordinated
a
lot
of
our
services
with
action,
melasma
and
housing
help.
We
also
provide
housing
benefits
that
are
delivered
by
employment
and
social
services.
We've
got
seven
point:
seven
million
dollars
in
housing
benefits
so
for
people
who
are
experiencing
housing
insecurity
in
the
community
that
precariously
housed-
and
you
know
they
went
into
a
rental,
real
situation
or
utility
rear
situation.
D
H
D
Chair
and
looking
at
the
number
of
families
from
2014
to
2017,
who'da
stabilized
locally
and
lose
their
housing,
that
percentage
has
remained
pretty
consistent
at
about
19
to
20
percent.
So
it's
consistent
across
the
board,
so
it's
I,
don't
think
we
anticipate
anything
more
than
what
we
normally
see
it
any
given
year.
Okay,.
H
We
talked
a
bit
about
data
management
and
some
of
the
delegations
spoke
about
that
too,
and
I've
heard
assurances
I
think
from
most
of
you
that
we
do
have
a
good
system
in
place,
but
I'm
just
curious
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
you're
familiar
with
it
or
not,
but
what's
the
Hamilton
model
or
the
other
model
that
was
mentioned
earlier
d.
Are
you
familiar
with
that
and
what
are
they
doing
differently
in
terms
of
tracking
or
data
management
that
we're
not.
D
Madam
chair,
from
what
I
remember
of
reading
the
Hamilton
model,
Hamilton
was
one
of
the
early
participants
in
the
20,000
homes
campaign,
which
is
an
initiative.
The
Canadian
Alliance
to
End
Homelessness,
we're
also
part
of
the
20,000
homes
campaign
and
that
campaign
I.
Believe
it's
a
Google
sheets
that
they
use
to
manage
their
data.
I,
don't
think
it's
a
sophisticated!
You
know
technology
that's
been
built
to
manage
their
data,
but
so
that
is
that's
what
I
do
know.
Okay,.
D
H
D
Madam
chair,
to
be
eligible
for
rent
supplements,
you
have
to
be
on
the
centralized
waitlist
for
social
housing
and
a
rent
supplement
is
just
another
form
of
life
geared
to
income.
Housing
we've
been
providing
rent
supplements
for
a
number
of
years.
We
had
specific
provincial
funding
that
was
for
went
supplements,
so
it's
an
agreement
with
a
landlord
for
specific
unit
people
pay,
30%
of
their
income
and
the
rent
supplement
program.
We
supplement
the
difference
up
to
the
average
market
rent
for
the
unit.
Housing
allowances
were
a
new
foray
for
us.
D
We
started
delving
into
the
housing
allowance
worlds
with
the
2011
housing
and
homelessness
investment
plan.
So
it
is
a
portable
subsidy
that
you
individual
can
receive
or
can
be
paid
to
a
landlord
which
lets
you
to
have
choice
in
the
private
market
and
lets
you
move
around
with
it.
So
right
now
we
have
a
tiered
housing
allowance
program,
it's
250
plus
50,
for
each
additional
family
member.
However,
in
our
current
housing
first
program,
we
recognize
that
the
250
is
not
adequate,
certainly
for
single
people.
D
Madam
chair,
so
that
is
a
new
program
per
at
the
provincial
level,
which
will
be
delivered
through
housing,
Services,
Corp
I
believe
it's
25
million
a
year
we're
putting
in
a
business
case
it's
targeted
toward
smaller
housing
providers
to
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
we're
fairly
confident
we
put
together
excellent
business
cases
to
attract
a
lot
of
money
all
the
time.
That's
real
that
we'll
get
what
we're
asking
for
out
of
that
25
million.
So.
H
H
D
H
E
D
Madam
chair,
so
we
do
have
a
housing
services.
We
do
have
a
relationship
that
we
developed
with
that's
Canada,
so
we've
worked
closely
with
them
when
they've
done
some
of
the
boots
on
the
grounds,
walk
and
identify
people
who
are
veterans
and
living
in
the
shelters.
So
we've
helped
with
some
connections
there.
We
have
a
looser,
a
relationship
with
soldiers,
helping
soldiers
who
is
another
organization,
that's
working
to
identify
veterans
who
may
be
experiencing
homeless
here
locally
and
broker
them
to
the
to
the
right
supports.
E
G
B
Madam
chair,
through
the
new,
affordable
housing
development
that
we're
funding
under
the
10-year
plan,
a
specific
percentage
of
capital
funding
that
we
receive
from
the
federal
provincial
governments
annually
is
allocated
towards
seniors.
So
today,
we've
got
a
number
of
seniors
projects
that
are
under
construction,
for
example,
with
our
community
housing.
We
we
are
building
I,
think
one
of
the
first
seniors
hubs
and
Ontario
it's
on
Merrivale
Road.
The
recent
seniors
projects
also
include
Eastern,
Ontario,
Christian,
seniors
co-op
on
view.
B
B
D
Bottom
tiers,
so
we
have
host
the
519
people,
333
of
them
are
still
actively
receiving
supports
and
another
151
have
graduated.
So
when
people
graduate
they
are
at
various
I
guess
stages
of
housing
retention.
They
maybe
have
been
in
their
housing
six
months,
12
months
by
the
time
they
graduate
what
we
do.
We
do
try
and
track
housing
retention
to
24
months.
It
is
difficult.
Sometimes
when
people
decide
they
no
longer
want
surfaces
to
be
back
in
touch
with
them
to
verify
the
housing
status.
D
What
we
can,
but
I
can't
tell
you
that
of
the
151
that
did
graduate
for
the
program.
Only
eight
of
that
particular
group
returned
to
shelter.
There
wasn't
another
group
that
left
the
program
before
they
were
deemed
ready,
whether
case
managers
or
graduate
and
six
of
them
returned
to
shelter.
So
that's
14
in
total,
and
once
people
returned
to
shelter,
we
quickly
try
re-engage
them,
certainly
because
I
just
recently
had
success
in
housing.
All.
B
Thanks
chair
two
sets
the
questions
for
you.
The
first
I
want
to
reconcile
some
of
the
differences
I
heard
this
morning
in
terms
of
how
the
community
has
portrayed
the
John
Howard
society
buildings
as
not
being
supportive,
housing
or
housing.
First
rather
I
guess
a
group
home
context.
My
understanding
is
that
those
who
are
moving
into
the
new
building
in
Mechanicsville
will
have
individual
leases
and
that
they
are
actually
tenants.
Can
you
help
me
understand
some
of
the
different
messaging
I'm
hearing
here.
D
Madam
chair,
so
certainly
the
two
John
Howard
buildings,
the
Rita
Thompson
residence
on
Gardner
and
the
new
Carruthers
building
are
absolutely
supportive
housing
and
we
do
include
people
who
move
who
are
chronically
homelessness.
We
do
include
those
people
who
move
into
supportive
housing
as
an
outcome
under
our
housing
first
program.
I
think
there's
a
there's,
a
difference
of
opinion,
certainly
when
people
talk
about
housing
first
and
being
true
or
having
true
fidelity
to
the
housing
model
of
to
the
housing
first
model,
they
talk
about
that
people
should
only
live
in
scattered
sight
apartments.
D
That's
what
people
you
know!
That's
where
people
want
to
live.
That's
the
best
choice
for
people.
We
need
to
give
people
the
opportunity
to
to
try
it
out.
We
know,
though,
that
for
about
10
10
to
15
percent
of
people,
that
that
scattered
sight
approach
is
not
is
not
going
to
is
not
going
to
be
able
to
sustain
it
over
the
long
term.
So
we
start
deliberately
started
to
invest
in
options
back
in
2013
to
create
supportive
housing
for
those
people,
so
we're
very
proud
of
our
supportive
housing
investments.
D
So
I
think
it's
just
it's
just
a
difference
in
opinion
about
what
is
true
housing
first
and
you
know
the
majority
about
people
that
we
are
working
with.
Do
you
move
into
private
market
housing
or
social
housing
about
67
percent?
But
we
do
create
options
for
others
who
need
who
need
more
intensive,
24/7
supports
and.
B
We
know
that
some,
some
of
the
folks
move
into
JHS
or
cornerstone
or
any
number
some
of
them
will
probably
live
there
for
a
very
long
time,
but
many
others
will
we'll
move
on
to
other
other
housing,
so
a
naturally
great
segue,
because
from
what
I
heard
from
Tim
Aubry,
one
of
the
standards
of
the
pathways
is
a
certain
density.
He'd
mentioned
20
percent
as
sort
of
an
ideal
amount
in
any
given
project.
B
B
B
D
D
B
D
B
And
actually
would
you
I
don't
know
if
I
can
share
not
sitting
on
this
committee,
but
I
wonder
if
staff
would
take
that
as
a
direction
to
report
back
to
us
on
your
proposed
steps
to
doing
a
fidelity
assessment?
Okay,
definitely
thank
you
and
I
am
sorry.
I
was
listening
to
the
answers
that
you
were
providing
to
councilor
caucus
with
respect
to
the
the
really
sudden
spike
in
the
number
of
families.
To
what
do
you
attribute
that.
D
Madam
chair,
what
I
can
tell
you
is
that
if
we
look
at
the
percentage
of
families
who
declared
themselves
as
newcomers
in
2014,
they
accounted
for
18
percent
of
the
total
number
of
families
in
2017.
They
accounted
for
38%
of
the
total
number
of
families,
so
we're
just
seeing
a
real
spike
in
immigration,
both
through
just
normal
immigration
channels,
and
then
we
have
the
pressures
of
refugee
claimants
from
the
u.s.
coming
to
Canada,
okay,
and
we
also
have
people
who
are
relocating
within
Canada
they're,
coming
to
Ottawa
economic
opportunities,
families,
friends
and
there
are
established.
B
No
and
that's
that
is
good
and
I,
actually
share
what
I've
heard
from
councilor,
furry
and
others
said
given
with
the
families,
has
got
to
be
a
top
priority.
We
have
the
Richmond
Plaza
motel,
obviously
in
our
Ward,
the
forward
Avenue
Family
Shelter
I
see
the
strain
that
that
is
putting
on
the
volunteer
sector
at
a
very
for
local
level.
On
the
Parkdale
food
Center
on
the
westboro
Food
Bank.
B
It
has
implications
beyond
just
for
the
taxpayer
as
we
as
we
continue
to
struggle
to
house
families
that
has
a
strain
on
the
whole
NGO
sector
at
both
the
city
wide
in
a
hyperlocal
levels.
So,
let's,
let's
continue
to
do
that.
I,
look
forward
to
hearing
your
proposals
midterm
next
next
term
of
Council
Thank
You,
chair
Thank,.
G
This
port
should
also
include
statistics
as
to
details
reasons
for
clients
not
being
permanently
housed
yet
3
that
housing
services
staff
report
to
council,
ahead
of
the
midpoint
review,
with
policies
that
prioritize
families
and
housing
units
directions
to
staff
relating
to
the
midpoint
review.
One.
That
staff
include
consultations
with
member
of
the
public
business
community
and
academics
in
the
midpoint
review
of
the
10-year
housing
and
homelessness
plan
to
that
prior
to
the
completion
of
the
midpoint
review.
G
For
the
10-year
housing
and
homelessness
that
plan
staff
producer
housing,
primer,
engagement,
tool
for
members
of
the
public
and
elected
official,
which
explained
the
legislative
framework
that
governs
housing,
the
various
funding
sources
for
housing
services
and
the
various
priorities
for
housing.
Three
that
stop
develop
a
quick
response
team
ahead
of
the
midpoint
review,
to
expand
the
efforts
and
in
the
transition
to
housing,
efficiency
for
families,
to
ensure
that
the
house,
sooner
and
brick
back
to
committee
and
council
policy
changes
to
ensure
families
to
move
out.
G
An
emergency
move
out
of
emergency
shelters
sooner
and
also
by
setting
a
goal
for
the
number
of
days
for
the
average
length
of
stay
and
emergency
shelters
and
then
direction
to
staff
relating
to
memos
to
back
to
committee.
And
this
is
for
the
next
CPS
committee,
if
possible,
that
that
staff
prepare
a
memo
that
clearly
and
simply
defines
the
concept
of
housing.
G
First,
so
that
the
community
to
see
the
elected
officials
are
on
the
same
page
when
housing
for
strategies
are
presented,
explain
how
it
is
being
implemented
under
the
ten
years
and
almost
as
plan
that
stuff
prepared
again
a
memo
to
inform
the
committee
about
mechanisms
that
exist
or
that
could
be
implemented
to
ensure
that
all
people
experiencing
homelessness
fear.
They
have
equal
access
to
city,
funded
programs
regardless
of
religious
and
spiritual
convictions,
and
three
that
staff
prepare
a
separate
motion
to
counsel
at
your
committee.
G
A
E
A
A
I
want
to
thank
councilor
Taylor
for
the
immense
amount
of
work
that
you
have
done
on
this
file
and
for
sticking
with
us
all
day
today
and
I
especially
want
to
thank
the
members
of
the
public
who
presented
today
and
who
I
thought,
gave
credible
amount
of
great
suggestions
and
ideas
and
I
think
the
trick
over
the
next
12
months
or
so
is
going
to
be.
How
do
we
really
engage
this
community
and
how
do
we
really
drill
down
on
this
very
complex
file?
A
And
how
do
we
really
make
a
difference
and
I
found
myself
sitting
here
today
wondering
what
kind
of
a
difference
can
we
really
make,
and
is
that
a
difference
we
can
make
as
a
city
on
our
own
or
a
way
part
of
a
much
greater
organism?
It
was
something
that
Miz
and
Buskirk
said
that
kind
of
made
me
think
about
that.
A
In
answer
to
a
question
from
councillor
Nussbaum
I
said
well,
you
know
when
we're
talking
about
the
incredible
cost
of
housing,
families
in
hotel
rooms,
and
wouldn't
it
just
be
better
to
give
them
a
room
in
miss
Van
Buskirk
said
an
answer
to
that.
Well,
but
then
we
have
to
worry
about
the
people
behind,
and
it
really
made
me
think
in
in
the
climate
that
we
live
in
in
the
world
complex
world
that
we
live
in
today
in
Donald
Trump's
America.
A
If
we
were
to
have
a
robust
housing
policy
locally
that
wasn't
integrated
with
the
federal
and
provincial
programs,
would
it
mean
that
more
people
would
come
here
and
I
are
policy
I
believe
is
to
not
turn
anyone
away.
So
the
better
we
get
the
more
likely
we
are
to
have
growing
demands,
and
it
seems
like
a
bit
of
a
cycle
to
me
and
so
that
I
think,
is
why
we
can't
solve
homelessness
locally
without
having
the
province
and
even
the
federal
government
really
partners
in
the
policy,
development
and
the
program
development.
A
So
it's
not
just
the
City
of
Ottawa,
but
it's
every
city
that
has
a
program
that
will
work
so
that
we're
sharing
the
demands
that
are
growing
on
our
cities
and
I.
Don't
think
we
can
do
it
in
isolation.
That
was
what
I
was
left
thinking
today.
I
mean
I,
think
demands
are
growing,
client
needs
or
complex
funding.
Streams
are
tied
to
specific
programs,
leaving
you
know
not
so
many
choices.
There
are
many
contributing
factors
outside
the
city's
control.
We're
waiting,
a
clear
vision
of
commitment
from
opportu
governments.
A
What
I
would
say
to
the
next
City
Council,
because
really
they
will
have
carriage
of
this
when
it
comes
back,
although,
as
certainly
I
think
we
all
want
to
be
involved
in
the
consultations
over
the
next
month
is
as
much
as
we
need
to
encourage
operator
governments
to
be
partners
with
us
every
step
of
the
way
we
as
a
council
at
the
start
of
the
next
term,
need
to
clearly
articulate
our
local
commitment
and
what
that's
going
to
be,
and
we
have
to
say
it
for
the
sake
of
the
community.
We
have
to
mean
it.
A
We
have
to
fund
it
appropriately,
because
a
lot
of
the
suggestions
we've
heard
come
with
dollars
attached
to
them
and
I,
don't
think
we
can
reasonably
ask
our
staff
to
go
in
and
homelessness
for
us
if
we
don't
have
a
path,
a
clear
path
and
an
understanding.
What
our
local
commitment
to
that
path
will
be
as
well
as
clearly
a
better
understanding
of
what
the
federal
and
provincial
governments
are
bringing
to
the
table
along
the
way,
and
so
maybe
at
the
start
of
the
next
term.
A
What
we
really
have
to
do
is
define
our
goal
again.
Is
it
still
to
Emma
and
homelessness?
Is
that
actually
a
realistic
goal,
or
is
it
something
perhaps
a
little
bit
different,
because
that
may
be
something
that
will
always
be
with
us
to
a
certain
extent,
and
those
are
just
my
thoughts
from
what
I
heard
today
and
I
want
to.
Thank
you
all
for
being
here
we're
going
to
receive
this
report.
We
received
councillor
Taylor's
report
earlier
and
today
really
the
work
on
on
updating
this
plan
begins.
A
So
the
many
inquiries
and
salaries
for
the
business-
ok
before
we
wrap
up
before
we
adjourn
I,
just
want
to
take
a
quick
moment
to
recognize
claw
Freire
and
the
work
of
a
community
and
social
services
department.
They
have
been
recognized
with
the
2018
Ontario
age,
family,
community,
recognition
award,
this
award
celebrates
into
communities
and
the
work
they're
doing
to
create
Age
Friendly
cities
under
the
older
adult
plan.
Ottawa
has
worked
hard
to
build
accessible
and
inclusive
environments
for
our
seniors,
and
this
is
something
we
should
be
all
proud
of.