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Community and Protective Services Committee – August 26, 2014 – Audio Stream
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A
B
B
This
is
community
Protective,
Services
Committee
for
Tuesday
26th
August
to
2014
I
would
remind
anybody
is
speaking
to
the
committee
this
morning
to
please
use
the
microphone
in
front
of
you
if
you're
presenting,
so
that
folks,
out
on
the
Internet,
can
hear
this
as
it's
webcast
calling
the
meeting
to
order
with
the
quorum
of
the
committee.
Do
we
have
any
declarations
of
interest
seeing
none?
Thank
you.
Confirmation
of
minutes
minutes,
34
June,
19
2014
carried.
Thank
you
very
much
we'll
go
through.
B
We
have
two
communications
items,
one
of
them
councilor,
Qian
ischenko,
has
joined
us
and
has
asked
to
speak
to
so
we
will
be
holding
a
vote
to
add
one
of
those
items
to
the
agenda.
We'll
go
through
a
quick
consent
agenda
first
and
then
come
back
to
that.
So
can
we
get
a
response
to
inquiry?
Cc
1613
complaints
regarding
the
operation
of
the
Ernst
&
Young
Center,
is
that
received.
B
Thank
you
item
number
one
status
update
community
and
Protective
Services
Committee
inquiries
in
motions
for
the
period
ending
19,
August
2014
were
being
asked
to
receive
this
received.
Thank
you,
I!
Never
commemorative
naming
the
Olin
prints
room.
This
is
in
Kanata,
North
I
understand.
Mr.
Prince
was
instrumental
in
getting
that
that
senior
center
up
and
running
back
in
the
day
and
is
still
a
fixture.
To
this
day.
The
City
Clerk's
report
indicated
there
were
17
submissions
all
in
favor
and
a
councillor
Wilkinson's
in
favor.
B
So
with
that,
may
we
recommend
that
we
approve
this
carried
Mary.
Thank
you
very
much.
The
third
item
sponsorship
naming
rights
Constance
and
becomes
Bay
community
center
and
capital
adjustment.
The
reports
before
us
Celso
lsanty
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
want
to
speak
to
this
or
not,
if
you're
you're
happy
to
have
it,
tell
you
on
consent,
so
any
desire
to
hold
this
or
shall
we
carry
it
carried.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
C
C
E
E
B
Course
we
just
need
to
get
it
on
the
agenda.
We
need
two
thirds.
Is
it
carried
okay,
okay,
perfect,
so
I'm,
not
sure
I
know
that
chief
Anderson
and
general
manager
Jones
provided
an
update
to
the
inquiry.
I'm,
not
sure
if
there's
a
desire
of
the
committee
to
have
them
present
that
or
if
they
simply
want.
If
we
simply
want
to
dive
into
questions,
let's
just
dive
into
questions
and
then
they
can
explain
from
there.
So
councillor
trend
ischenko.
You
were
here
first,
so
fire
away.
D
Thank
you
very
much
and
I'm
glad
that
holding
this
item
doesn't
take
you
to
midnight
in
this
meeting,
I
appreciate
being
able
to
have
some
discussion
of
this.
It's
nothing
new.
We
have
been
having
a
dialogue,
some
of
us
as
counselors,
certainly
of
MS,
Anderson
and
and
Jones
over
the
past
couple
of
years.
We
see
that
the
creation
of
and
popularity
of,
deep
bass
or
subwoofer
sound
systems,
not
just
at
big
festivals,
but
even
some
relatively
small
ones,
now
have
come
with
a
whole
different
type
of
problem,
so
to
speak
its
its
vibrations.
D
It's
not
something
that
you
can
measure
with
the
traditional
decibel
meter
and
I
have
been
pushing
for
the
city
to
have
a
better
ability
to
measure
it
and
control
it.
It's
not
that
in
you
know
many
situations
we
couldn't
still
see
these
systems
being
used,
but
the
the
inability
to
actually
measure
it
and
go
out
and
enforce
some
kind
of
reading
had
been
the
challenge.
So
can
you
I,
guess
I've
seen
the
initial
report
I
saw
miss
Jones
your
update
to
that
just
yesterday
or
day
before.
D
It's
somewhat
helpful
at
least
reassuring,
but
I
am
still
left
wondering
getting
a
so
called
we'll
call
it
a
noise
complaint,
because
that
it's
our
disturbance,
even
if
our
officer
on
the
spot
some
cases
cat,
can
barely
even
hear
where
the
music's
coming
from,
and
yet
you
can
absolutely
feel
it.
You
know
you
go
to
the
location
of
complainant
and
dishes
are
rattling.
The
windows
and
doors
are
all
closed.
They
are
most
definitely
aware
that
rat.
F
Chin
of
Shenko
actual
fact,
if
we
just
dealt
with
the
situation
this
past
weekend,
we
actually
thought
it
was
a
restaurant,
but
they
use
a
course
too
loud.
And
while
you
couldn't
hear
that
side,
you
could
hear
and
feel
it
through.
The
ground
tell
me
that
it
wasn't
the
restaurant.
It
was
our
business
across
the
road
who
had
been
improperly
mounted
on
the
ground
and
was
creating
that
vibration
son.
F
So
in
actual
fact,
we
already
have
provisions
in
there
by
law
when
there
is
noise,
that's
unusual,
and
that
would
be
considered
unusual,
that
we
can
take
measures
and
to
ask
them
to
mitigate
against
that
and
change
it.
And
then
we
can
go
back
and
typically
a
easiest
test
is
the
audible
test.
Can
you
hear
it?
Can
you
feel
it?
And
if
you
can't,
then
you
know
there's
not
a
problem,
but
if
you
can,
then
we
will
tackle
the
solution
by
going
in
and
identifying
different
methods,
and
this
has
been
really
successful.
F
So
we'll
continue
to
deal
with
it.
When
we
do
come
across
issues
that
are
very
complex,
then
we
go
beyond
their
skill
sets.
Thereby
officer
will
retain
the
services
of
a
sound
attenuation
engineer
to
make
sure
that
that
will
continue
to
do
that.
Also
reminder:
we
did
pass
a
special
event
by
others,
past
chairman
council,
and
that
through
the
SI
process
that
there's
problems.
D
Thank
you
I,
certainly
in
terms
of
permanent
establishments,
whether
it
is,
let's
say,
a
bar,
that's
regularly
holding
concerts
or
an
improperly
mounted
piece
of
equipment,
something
not
operating
properly.
We
have
time
to
go,
although
the
resident
might
like
it
dealt
with
immediately.
We've
got
time
to
go
back
and
monitor
it
and
work
with
or
if
necessary,
work
against
the
owner,
the
property
owner
and
that's
good
to
know
that
I
gather
that's
holding
up
in
court.
D
It's
sort
of
defensible
it's
the
right
now
enjoy
my
home,
but
it's
been
eight
or
nine
hours
of
having
my
fillings
shaken
out
of
my
teeth.
What
can
we
do
about
that?
Are
we
able
to
go
because
I'm
often
hearing
the
audible,
but
the
fact
that
it
frequently
is
isn't
audible
or
just
barely
audible
at
a
festival
where
they
said
we
talked
to
some
neighbors
and
they
could
barely
hear
us
or
we
did
a
reading,
and
they
couldn't
hear
us
yes,
but
people
were
absolutely
feeling
it
and
being
and
being
shaken
by
it.
D
F
D
They
complained
about
the
way
the
enforcement
was
done,
but
it
seems
we've
determined
they
didn't
even
have
a
permit
to
be
doing
that
in
the
first
place.
How
can
we
better
through
our
systems,
our
special
events,
our
service,
auto,
all
over
the
first
application
comes
in?
Can
we
better
hi
like
to
people
if
you're
going
to
bring
sound,
you
need
to
get
permission
for
it
and
you
need
to
actually
go
through
the
seat
process.
If
you
hit
certain
criterion,
yes,.
A
Counselor,
as
you
know,
I've
been
dealing
with
that
particular
situation.
I
may
have
a
way
to
deal
with
that.
We
will
get
it
back
with
allocations
and
just
explain
that,
unfortunately,
that
particular
group
ended
up
with
large
sound
system
in
the
park
and
hadn't
even
applied
for
a
noise
exemption.
So
it's
both
through
our
seat
process
for
special
events
and
through
our
allocation
process
for
renting
parks
were
able
to
put
go
back
and
put
markers
so
to
speak
on
particular
groups
that
might
have
been
problematic
to
ensure
that
it
doesn't
occur
again.
A
D
You
and
I
have
found
it
through
the
C
process.
It
works
quite
well.
Sometimes
it's
retroactive
Lee.
We
have
told
some
people
they're
not
welcome
back
in
certain
places,
owing
to
a
poor
track
record
and
in
others,
we've
learned,
they've
learned
to
comply
and
we've
come
to
a
sometimes
uneasy
coexistence.
But
neighbors
have
come
to
understand
that
these
eight
days
of
the
year,
if
you
really
don't
like
it,
that's
the
best
time
to
book
your
summer
holiday
so
editorializing.
Thank
you
very
much.
E
You
mr.
chair
I
think
it's
important
to
frame
the
conversation
in
different
areas.
So,
right
now,
after
11
p.m.
we
go
in,
if
there
was
any
noise
related
issue,
no
matter
if
it's
bass
as
soon
as
it's
affecting
the
neighbors,
while
being
their
quality
of
life
as
I
like
to
say,
we
have
the
authority.
Is
that
correct,
miss
Anderson
that.
E
A
If
it
doesn't
register
on
the
noise
meter,
we
can
still
use
the
clearly
audible
or
unusual
noise
likely
to
disturb
as
our
tool
to
lay
charges
if
warranted
so
those
ones
where
you've
got
an
individual.
That's
that's
bothering
people
during
the
daytime
or
prior
to
11,
with
I,
would
say
very
successful
at
addressing
so
I,
don't
see
an
issue
with
those.
We
have
a
lot
of
tools
that
we
can
use.
G
You
mr.
chair,
the
situation
that
happened
with
the
nightclub
and
their
business
is
actually
in
my
ward
and
the
I.
Take
it
it's
a
new
air
conditioner
this
for
him,
I
did
speak.
I
just
came
from
the
BIA
meeting,
and
the
senior
person
from
that
company
is
among
the
board's.
I
mentioned
it.
He
didn't
know
about
it
yet,
but
I
think
your
officers
are
going
to
work
with
them
to
get
it
properly
done,
because
it's
a
very
causing
a
lot
of
concern.
There's
a
lot
of
people
looking
fairly
close
to
it.
I
think.
G
The
interesting
thing
here
is
that
the
patio
and
which
is
right
across
the
road
from
these
houses-
or
things
like
that
is,
is
not.
They
still
do
get
a
little
bit
of
heavy
noise
sometimes,
but
it's
not
a
bad
way
level.
So,
like
I,
said
nothing
to
do
about
that
and
they've
been
very
cooperative.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
staff
for,
in
fact
delving
into
this
a
little
bit
more
to
try
to
figure
out
what
the
problem
was,
because
it
was
affecting
a
lot
of
babies
living
in
that
area
and
affecting
their
it's.
G
A
good
example
and
I
also
want
to
thank
them.
For
what
do
you
call
a
bang,
bang
machine
that
the
farmer
was
using
I
actually
finally
went
and
talked
to
the
farmer,
and
he
actually
said
he
put
it
in
a
different
location
this
year
than
last
year.
It
was
good
to
move
it,
but
then
he
found
out
the
birds
because
of
the
rain
had
gone
away
and
as
someone
seeing
the
seasons
he's
actually
turned
it
off.
G
So
we
have
to
wait
till
next
year
to
see
but
I
understand
it's
not
in
the
bag
up
there,
because
farmers
are
allowed
to
do
it.
But
I
do
think
we
have
to
true.
In
this
case
the
good
neighbor
he's
very
was
very
open
to
helping
it
and
I.
Think
that's
something
so
I
think
your
staff
use
as
well
sometimes-
and
it
worked
in
this
case-
but
going
back
to
some
of
the
did.
The
level
is
here
remember
we
got
back
on.
This.
Was
the
cost
a
lot
to
out
CREP
everybody
of
the
equipment?
G
Everybody
I.
Don't
think
that
was
ever
the
answer,
and
you
said
we
don't
have
any
of
these
recorders
they're
no
more
expensive
and
really
wanted
to
know
why
we
shouldn't
have
one
and
a
few
officers
trying
to
use
it.
So
when
we
get
an
unusual
circumstance
which
that
can
develop
any
time,
as
you
know,
you
have
that
ability
to
use
it.
I
ever
looked
in,
because
this
one
said
we'd
have
to
train
40,
favor
and
all
the
rest
of
it
and
that
little
bit.
F
F
Chose,
thank
you
actually
for
that.
We
weren't
successful
in
the
connection
and
paid
off
in
those
connections
are
individuals
who
say
they're
being
disturbed
by
noise
and
am
convinced
supports.
It's
got
nothing
to
do
with
our
bar,
so
we
feel
we've
gotten
up
at
this
point.
We
can
continue
to
monitor
it
and
we
have
specific
issues.
I
think
council.
G
That
one's
on
a
vibration,
vibration
without
noise,
which
can
happen
it
happens,
that's
a
different
way.
This
was
something
and
other
people
complained
about
air
conditioners,
home
air
conditioners.
Next
to
them
as
well
and
often
I
think
is
this
low
noise
and
vibration,
as
opposed
to
the
actual
sound,
is
always
a
little
bit
I,
don't
think
the
sound
was.
G
If
you
can
find
one
of
these
small
Lots,
that's
very
difficult,
so
you
really
feel
that
you
have
enough
to
be
able
to
deal
with
any
noise.
Complaints
are
very
common
and
and
for
some
people
have
seen
to
have
a
lot
more
sensitivity
to
them
and
other
people
so
I
guess
we
can't
do
anything
about
there's
some
slices.
We
can't
do
a
lot
about
like
the
highway
noises
or
things
like
that
which
can
travel
very
long
distances.
I.
F
Think
it's
important
understand
we
regulate
to
a
common
standard.
We
there's
individuals
out
there
who
have
very
low
tolerance
levels.
Is
their
situation
sometimes
they'll
have
to
take
measures
to
mitigate
against
that
themselves,
because
that
wouldn't
be
considered
a
reasonable
nuisance
compared
to
the
average
individual.
G
When
you
have
an
unusual
case,
you
can
hire
an
outside
consultant
who
would
have
that
equipment
and
would
be
able
to
do
it
for
you,
so
if
they
didn't
get
any
response
from
the
company
or
whoever
it
was
to
mitigate,
then
you
could
do
that.
Take
that
action,
that's
correct,
talking
well,
I,
think
that
would
have
been
helpful
was
in
this
when
we
got
this
response
back
I
said
because
it
didn't
indicate
there
was
any
way
we
could
deal
with
it
and
I
think
knowing
that
is
very
helpful.
Thank
you.
G
C
I've
raised
us
about
a
month
or
so
ago,
Bria
picked
it
up
and
put
through
an
inquiry,
and
the
query
came
back
said:
we'd
have
to
Train
2,000
by
law.
Officers
buy
all
kinds
of
equipment.
Now
it's
well
we'll
just
hire
an
engineer.
Well,
the
reality
is
it's.
Not
the
nice
bar
by
itself
is
not
imperfect.
It
does
what
it's
supposed
to
do
and
it
helps
there's
no
issue
with
the
noise
violent.
C
There
is
an
issue,
though,
when
I
sit
in
my
condo
on
Santara,
Boulevard
and
Blues
Fest
is
shaking
the
glassware
in
the
cavernous,
not
my
fillings,
David
that
there
already
been
dealt
with
and
it's
true
all
through
Manor
Park
and
no
Edward
that
Bluesfest
base
noise
shakes
the
houses.
Now
you
can
say
all
you
want
about
being
able
to
deal
with
it.
This
just
shuts
down
11
o'clock
at
night.
C
Tierney's
place
up
there,
it's
too
loud
in
the
sense
of
creating
too
much
irritation
for
the
public.
There
were
more
than
ever
that
share
people
have
said
that
they
deserve
me.
Do
about
that
base
noise
coming
from
Blues
Fest,
so
we
said
well!
Is
there
anything
you
can
do
to
measure
base
as
opposed
to
decimals,
because
decimals
don't
cut
it?
C
So
my
concerns
are
essentially
that
that
we
we
need
to
assess
that
and
have
a
protocol
with
these
big
festivals
at
Lansdowne
Park
or
at
the
baseball
stadium
or
at
Scotiabank
place
or
at
the
flats
down
here
we
need
to
have
something
that
will
will
measure
the
effect
of
the
base
and
then
deal
with
the
proprietors.
It's
not
not
it's
not
an
extra
tool,
not
not
something
that
we're
going
to
hire
engineers
and
do
all
that
it's
something
I
believe
from
reading
this
is
that
that
the
the.
C
Base
type
noise
enforcement
of
amplification
approach
that
prohibited
times,
Chartwell,
that's
the
same
as
we've
got
commercial
establishes
producing.
Noise
are
also
addressed
under
and
also
we've
done.
This
I
don't
believe
we
have
a
nice
battle
problem
I
believe
we
have
a
bass
problem
and
my
hearings
not
too
good
and
I,
still
hear
it
and
feel
it
several
kilometers
away.
So
I
think
we
need
to
address
that.
C
You
know,
I
I,
don't
believe
for
one
minute
that
this
should
be
a
massive
expense.
I
do
believe
that
it's
it's
a
Bluesfest
complaint.
It's
not
a
folk
fest
complaint,
because
Folk
Fest
is
down
where
there's
no,
nothing
is
down
on
the
hollow
and
nobody
hears
them,
but
there
has
been
nice
complaints
from
things
at
the
baseball
stadium.
C
So
I
would
like
to
see
somebody
put
a
motion
forward
to
to
request
a
a
costing
of
the
cost
to
buy
one
piece
of
equipment
and
the
cost
to
train
several
by
officers
and
in
the
in
the
task
of
being
able
to
use
it.
This
isn't
frequent
I
agree,
it's
not
frequent!
You
don't
be
a
trained
everybody,
but
you
do
need
to
have
a
capacity
in
my
view
to
take
this
on
and
I.
Do
we
don't
have
it
at
the
moment?
The
bylaws
find
it's
not
the
buy
lights.
This
other
issue.
B
Okay,
so
thank
you,
counselor
I,
guess
you
know
hearing
your
your
kind
of
articulation
of
the
problem.
It
sounds
like
you're
indicating
that
the
day
to
day
isn't
the
issue.
It's
really
relating
to
specific
festivals
or
events.
Those
types
of
things
and
my
understanding
is:
we
have
constraints
within
the
seat
process
that
could,
you
know,
be
brought
to
bear
to
deal
with
those
things.
B
F
Can,
sir,
on
this
agenda,
there
is
also
a
lab
if
you
need
an
instrument
Center
coming
into
the
city
manager's
office,
that's
exactly
what
we
did
with
ascension.
They
retain
the
services
of
this
attenuation
engineer
the
capacity
to
deal
with
that
I.
Just
don't
think
we
have
to
train
officers,
even
one
officer
specifically
going
to
a
source,
then
thankfully
engineering
degree
in
qualifications
to
actually
give
us
the
expertise
to
deal
with
it.
B
Particularly
in
the
case
where
we
can
easily
identify
the
source
and
potentially
they're
working
with
us,
as
in
the
case
of
a
festival,
I
have
to
imagine
that
over
your
31
years,
you've
seen
lots
of
festivals
and
fairs
throughout
the
City
of
Ottawa,
where
they
produce.
You
know
noise
or
vibration
for
a
short
period
of
time
and
as
they
go
on
from
year
to
year.
There
are
two
successive
opportunities
to
work
with
them
to
address
them.
B
F
D
Just
to
follow
up
there
now
I
want
to
be
cared
that
I'm
understanding
correctly
the
the
unanticipated
violation
or
reported
violation.
Our
officers
can
go
to
the
site
of
that
event
or
to
the
site
of
the
complainant,
make
a
determination
that
it's
a
disturbance
and
take
action
based
on
that
to
oblige
the
offender.
Let's
call
it
to
turn
it
down
or
turn
it
off
after
the
fact.
H
Thanks
mr.
chair,
well,
we
have
been
working
on
Bluesfest
for
many
many
years
we
had
our
officers
going
to
people's
verandas
and
homes
for
years,
and
the
noise
level
at
the
sounding
board
was
95.
Decibels
was
only
when
the
NCC
took
over
as
their
land
on
the
Breton
flats
that
got
turned
down
to
90
decibels
and
it
solved.
The
problem
was
not
some
solve.
H
The
problem
was
the
NCC
who
solved
the
problem,
but
we
had
spent
years
going
around
talking
to
my
residents
about
the
noise,
so
I'm
unconvinced
that
you're
going
to
solve
the
noise
for
the
base,
so
that,
in
fact
the
Blues
Fest
is
told,
the
base
has
to
be
decreased
to
a
certain
level
of
decibel
on
the
base
which
they
can
easily
do
they're
doing
the
treble
they're
doing
all
the
graduations
at
that
sound
board.
So
explain
to
me
how
you're
going
to
solve
the
problem
next
year
for
that
base
for
Bluesfest.
F
Statistics
we
didn't
have
any
complaints
regarding
the
base
last
year
opposed
it
was
a
year
before.
So
we
will
look
at
the
situation
in
determining
what
the
problems
with
the
NCC
as
the
landowners
and
the
landlords
to
ensure
that
they
were
able
conditions
that
they
had
to
comply
with
the
regulation.
So
we'll
continue
to
apply
that
approach.
As
you
know,
why
councillor
we
have
by
officers
who
say
to
do
ongoing
measurements.
We
do
go
to
vendors
and
places
where
there
are
complaints,
and
that
has
been
successful.