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Community and Protective Services Committee – June 19, 2014 – Audio Stream
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A
B
C
Thank
you,
everyone
for
joining
us
this
morning
at
this
meeting
of
the
community
Protective
Services
Committee,
before
we
get
underway
this
morning.
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
moment
on
behalf
of
this
count.
This
committee,
and
certainly
this
council,
is
the
first
meeting
that's
taken
place
since
yesterday's
training
accident
to
express
a
few
words
about
all
of
our
city
of
Ottawa's,
first
responders.
C
In
the
light
of
yesterday's
training
incident
involving
three
paramedics
and
two
Ottawa
police
officers,
I'd
like
to
take
a
moment
by
recognizing
the
crucial
role
that
all
of
our
first
responders
play:
the
paramedic
service,
the
police
service
and
the
fire
service
in
our
daily
life.
It's
a
blessing
to
most
of
us
that
we
get
to
go
through
our
daily
lives
and
not
actually
think
about
the
work
that's
being
done
by
our
first
responders
and
when
it
does
happen
to
enter
into
our
lives.
C
It
tends
to
be
very
infrequent,
maybe
once
in
a
very
very
long
while
you
have
interaction
with
these
folks,
but
for
them
every
single
day,
they're
out
there
doing
these
jobs
which
bring
them
into
harm's
way
and
as
we
found
out
yesterday.
Unfortunately,
even
when
they're
doing
something
that
sounds
as
simple
as
training,
so
what
happens?
What
happened
yesterday
reminds
us
that
first
responders
put
their
lives
on
the
line
for
us
and
all
of
the
residents,
our
friends
and
family
here
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
every
day
and
so
on.
C
Behalf
of
all
of
us
certainly
want
to
wish
those
who
were
injured
as
safe
and
speedy
recovery
and
would
ask
you
to
take
the
time
the
next
time
you
see
a
first
responder
to
thank
them
for
their
service
to
our
community.
Thank
you
and
with
that
we'll
we'll
begin
our
meeting
today.
I
would
remind
folks
that
to
these
meetings
are
webcast.
So
if
the
speakers
today,
we
have
several
speakers
coming
forward
when
it's
your
opportunity
to
talk,
please
come
forward
to
the
public
delegations
table
and
make
sure
you
utilize
the
microphone
in
front
of
you.
C
That
will
make
sure
that
your
broadcast
out
to
the
world
wide
web
and
we'll
go
through
a
bit
of
a
consent
agenda.
So,
first
and
foremost,
are
there
any
declarations
of
interest
from
members
No.
Thank
you.
Confirmation
of
minutes
minutes.
33
may
15
2014
that
carry
carried.
Thank
you
very
much.
There
is
a
presentation
by
the
Community
Foundation
of
Ottawa.
Mr.
C
Fogg
auntie
is
here
with
I
believe
some
of
his
team-
perhaps
maybe
just
him
to
present,
will
hold
that
city
manager's
office,
the
city,
clerk
and
solicitors,
Department
status,
update
community
and
Protective
Services,
Committee
enquiries
and
motions
for
the
period
ending
12
June
2014.
We're
asked
to
receive
this.
Maybe
we
receive
it.
Thank
you.
Item
number
three
commitment
of
naming
Diesel's
dressing
room.
This
is
pertains
to
Osgood
ward
20,
councillor,
Thompson's,
ward,
I
know
you've
all
been
circulated
the
documentation.
C
My
understanding
is
that
there
was
no
opposition
to
this
and
several
folks
in
support
of
renaming
this
dressing
room
after
this
young
gentleman.
May
we
carry
this
carried.
Thank
you
very
much
item
number
four.
The
semi
annual
performance
report
to
council
q4
2013
were
being
asked
to
receive
this
report
for
further
review
and
discussion
of
the
services
areas.
C
Performance
results,
as
outlined
in
the
attached
report,
received
thank
you
item
number
five
expansion
project
for
the
ymca
emergency,
shelter
floors
for
families
who
are
homeless
and
Argyle
Avenue
I'm
gonna
hold
that
I
know
miss
pol
is
here
with
us
this
morning.
I
think
it
bears
just
saying
a
few
words
about
why
this
project
is
very
important.
I
know.
We
also
have
at
least
one
speaker
on
the
item-
item
number
six
councillors,
item
private
home,
conversions
to
student
housing.
C
C
We
are
the
three
biggest
social
service
funders
in
our
community
and
there
is
some
growing
thought
among
many
myself
included
that
there
would
be
a
good
benefit
to
having
some
level
of
collaboration
and
understanding
amongst
our
bodies.
What
we're
all
into
how
we're,
how
we
all
kind
of
perceive
our
mission
and
and
maybe
looking
for
opportunities
to
work
further
and
further
together.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mr.
Pagani
and
let
us
go
Thank.
D
You
councillor
Taylor
I'm,
Brian's,
Haller,
I'm,
chair
of
the
board
of
the
Community
Foundation
of
Ottawa
and
Marko
Pagani,
is
our
president
and
CEO.
Thank
you
very
much
for
this
opportunity.
It's
a
great
pleasure
to
present
to
this
committee.
Over
the
years,
the
Community
Foundation
of
Ottawa
has
enjoyed
an
exceptional
relationship
with
the
City
of
Ottawa
we've
joined
together
at
the
most
interesting
intersections
those
times
and
places
where
opportunities
emerge
to
pool
our
collective
resources
for
the
benefit
of
community
building.
D
For
example,
during
the
many
years
when
the
city
operated
non
renewable
grants,
we
were
privileged
to
contribute
to
the
decision-making
process
and
similarly,
city
staff
were
knowledge.
Experts
on
our
grants
committee,
thereby
ensuring
the
very
best
outcomes.
The
City
of
Ottawa
was
the
source
of
critical
data
for
our
Ottawa
vital
signs
reports
which
we
produced
every
year
to
take
the
pulse
of
our
city,
measure
our
strengths
and
provoke
conversations
about
areas
where
we
could
improve
and
since
2004
the
Community
Foundation
of
Ottawa
has
facilitated
the
grant
makers
forum.
D
The
marker
will
speak
to
that
in
a
moment,
but
from
the
very
first
meeting,
the
City
of
Ottawa
has
been
a
trusted
active
and
knowledgeable
member,
as
representatives
from
all
levels
of
government
and
foundations
challenge
themselves
to
be
strategic,
accountable
and
effective
in
their
grant.
Making
a
notable
example
of
this
impact
of
collaboration
is
the
community
development
framework
and
initiative
brought
to
our
attention
in
its
early
planning
stages
by
the
city
and
we're
to
say
that
with
the
City
of
Ottawa,
we
have
made
substantial
contributions
in
support
of
neighborhood
LED
community
building
projects.
D
I
would
also
like
to
highlight
our
partnership
with
the
cities
through
the
poverty
reduction
strategy.
Some
councilors
will
recall
that
the
poverty
reduction
strategy
steering
committee
was
co-chaired
by
our
former
CEO
Barbara
McKenna's
and
Coleen
Hendrick
Coleen
and
Barbara's
leadership
for
us.
A
lasting
example
of
inspired
collaboration
to
increase
the
effectiveness
of
services
for
low-income
residents
of
Ottawa,
promote
a
sense
of
community
and
belonging
and
raise
awareness
about
poverty.
D
In
April
of
this
year,
we
were
delighted
to
work
with
iram
bureau
Colleen
and
a
large
team
of
city
staff
in
the
community
conversation
event
held
to
discuss
top-of-mind
community
issues
and
possible
solutions.
This
was
also
an
opportunity
to
introduce
our
new
president
and
CEO
Marko
Pagani,
who
met
the
leadership
of
over
a
hundred
community
agencies
and
city
staff.
So
from
the
perspective
of
the
Board
of
Governors,
these
partnerships
exemplify
our
shared
commitment,
as
you
mentioned,
councillor
Taylor,
to
building
a
healthy,
inclusive
and
vibrant
city.
D
E
100
years
later,
they
have
close
to
2
billion
dollars
in
assets
and
they've,
granted
1.7
billion
dollars
in
their
local
community,
so
pretty
fantastic
and
as
a
result
in
a
global
movement
originated
recently.
In
the
last
few
months,
community
foundations
across
the
world
received
a
nice
shot
in
the
arm
from
a
profile
and
brand
perspective,
when
Mark
Zuckerberg
and
his
wife
CEO
of
Facebook
will
to
check
for
1
billion
dollars
to
the
Community
Foundation
of
Silicon
Valley.
So
again,
the
movement
attorney
has
attracted
luster
for
sure.
E
In
Canada
we
have
191
Community
Foundation's,
the
oldest
one
is
Winnipeg.
It's
about
90
years
old.
We
serve
about
82%
of
the
communities
within
the
country
through
the
governor-general's,
smart
and
caring
community
initiative,
there's
an
intent
to
serve
as
close
to
water
percent
of
communities
as
possible
by
2017.
E
We
have
collectively
about
three
and
a
half
billion
dollars
in
assets.
A
Community
Foundation
of
Ottawa,
as
many
of
you
know,
has
been
around
for
26
years.
So,
thanks
to
my
predecessor
about
mcgillis
alone,
wonderful
teams,
she's
had
the
pleasure
of
leading.
We
established
something
pretty
significant
in
our
city,
I,
guess,
six
or
so
months
ago
the
board
responded
to
bulbs,
requests
for
retirement
and
they
brought
in
myself.
I
saw
we're
moving
forward.
E
We've
had
the
pleasure
of
inheriting
and
when
I
speak
about,
can
any
foundation
about
I
speak
about
three
primary
value,
proposition
elements
so
they're
on
the
chart
in
front
of
us
so
world-class
asset
management
and
governance.
We
have
the
extreme
privilege
of
having
wonderful
people
on
our
board
and
our
committees,
for
example,
investment
committees
led
by
Gordon,
T's
and
former
governor
of
the
Bank
of
Canada,
and
that
investment
committee
was
able
to
you
know
reach
a
fifteen
point
three
percent
interest
on
our
assets.
E
After
fees
so
pretty
incredible
number-
and
we're
certainly
grateful
for
that-
the
particularly
as
a
result
of
our
Chairman's
leadership,
seen
as
one
of
the
movers
and
shakers
in
the
area
of
impact
investing
across
the
country,
so
impact
investing
us
two
primary
elements.
One
is
responsible,
investing
so
invest
assets
and
good
companies
that
do
good
things
and
the
other
part
is
making
that
financing
and
other
things
available
to
not-for-profits.
So
the
process
of
management
applause
governance
is
something
that
we
talk
about
when
we
talk
about
our
value
proposition,
making
philanthropy
easy.
E
So
we
like
to
think
of
ourselves
as
a
one
stop
shop
on
alternative
to
private
foundations.
You
have
exhibited
26
years
of
transactional
excellence.
We
are
excellent
and
understanding
Canada
Revenue
Agency
regulatory
issues.
We
have
the
full
spectrum
of
causes
that
recovered
from
social
services,
thoughts
and
culture,
to
education,
to
environment.
E
So
this
term
endowments
spend-down
and
flow
through
I
think
the
most
important
thing
you
bring
to
the
table
is
our
living,
the
community
knowledge
and
through
our
partnership
with
the
city
and
others,
were
able
to
leverage
this
intimate
knowledge
to
facilitate
donors
through
their
better
advised
funds,
making
really
really
impactful
decisions
on
all
those
dollars
restored
in
and
directed
to
our
community.
So
that's
a
little
bit
of
a
history
and
a
little
bit
of
where
we
are.
Our
promise
is
to
be
seen
as
a
most
trusted
partner
to
fulfill
impact.
E
E
Building
a
reputation
for
innovation
is
the
way
we
explain
it.
I
was
fortunate
enough
that
we
in
essence,
we
have
a
very
strong
and
aggressive
objective
to
be.
I
am
25
by
the
end
of
this
year
and
we
talk
about
those
dollars.
We
talk
about
building
out
any
other
assets
for
our
community's
assets,
the
more
resources
we
have,
the
greater
the
opportunity
for
impact
in
our
community
and
I'm.
E
And
when
we
speak
of
brand,
we
speak
of
three
things:
a
promise
to
our
key
stakeholders
again,
which
is
the
fulfillment
of
impact
philanthropy
as
a
most
trusted
partner,
something
that
hopefully
incites
a
positive
emotional
reaction
and
ultimately,
something
that
inspires
people
to
to
action,
a
call
to
duty
the
food
one
of
the
third
objectives.
There,
a
reputation
for
innovation,
be
a
most
significant
and
serious
manifestation
about
was
the
launching
of
a
new
leaf
Community
Challenge
within
us
a
couple
weekends
ago.
We
received
a
ton
of
input
from
the
city
and
other
agencies.
E
Within
the
city.
We
decided
to
tackle
food
security
as
a
critical
issue
and
I
Bayless
to
be
recognized
as
a
granting
agency
that
facilitates
food
security.
So
I'm
sure
many
of
you
know
a
lot
of
the
statistics,
but
just
a
quick
one
in
75,000
people
in
our
city
don't
have
access
to
healthy,
affordable,
nutritious
food.
So
we've
basically
launched
this
challenge.
We
made
a
request
for
proposals.
Anybody
in
the
not-for-profit
arena
that
is
wicked
in
food
security
is
eligible
to
submit
a
proposal.
Our
staff
will.
E
E
We
want
to
build
on
that
partnership,
Colleen,
Hannigan,
terrific,
just
a
little
example
through
the
grant
makers
forum,
we're
trying
to
push
an
agenda
where
grant
makers
converge
on
some
consistent
methodology
for
measuring
issues
and
delivering
results.
So,
for
example,
at
our
city,
the
Community
Foundation
in
United
Way
and
a
bunch
of
private
foundations
got
together
standardized
on
a
measurement
methodology
and
now
grant
almost
5
million
dollars
a
year
and
they
consistently
since
2011,
so
our
desires
to
potentially
facilitate
that
even
in
our
great
city
value.
So
that's
it
for
us.
Thank
you
very
much.
E
C
You
mentioned
food
security
and
I
know
certainly
of
interest
to
our
public
health
and
in
chair
homes
about
what
public
health
obviously
has
done.
A
lot
of
discussion
and
work
with
OPH
in
that
regard,
but
there's
still
much
more
to
be
done
aside
from
food
security
in
what
are
the.
If
you
were
to
tease
out
of
vital
signs,
you
know
what
are
the
biggest
challenges.
You
think
that
our
community
needs
to
face
solution.
11.
E
There's
an
excellent
question
so
when
we
considered
this
new
leaf
Community
Challenge,
we
considered
the
top
four
or
five
critical
issues,
so
food
security
is
one
of
them.
Homelessness,
of
course,
is
one
of
them.
Poverty
reduction,
mental
health,
addictions.
Some
people
feel
very
strongly
about
repatriation
and
veterans.
So
all
of
those
things
were
looked
at.
We
work
very
closely
with
dr.
levy
in
his
team.
In
fact,
one
of
his
people
is
going
to
present
to
our
board
a
little
deep
dive
on
the
issue
of
food
security
next
week.
E
He
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
did
something
that
already
had
some
momentum.
All
those
causes
are
fantastic
causes.
We
plan
on
having
these
Native
community
challenges
regularly.
We
don't
know
if
they're
going
to
be
annually,
because
we
don't
want
to
be
perceived
as
a
flavor
of
the
month
kind
of
an
organization.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
facilitate
lift
for
the
wonderful
service
providers
we
have
in
our
city
and
ultimately,
once
they
have
a
sustainability
element,
that's
proven.
E
Maybe
we
can
target
these
daily
resources
and
then,
through
some
other
resources
and
other
key
areas.
We
selected
food
security
because
there
was
momentum.
The
very
clearly
understood
the
statistics
were
very,
very
clear:
there
wasn't
any
ambiguity
and
it
sounds
like
the
community's
ready
to
move
the
needle.
So
when
we
talk
about
this,
we
talk
about
not
funding.
Another
volunteer
and
discussion.
And/Or
analysis.
E
C
All
right
well,
thank
you,
certainly
I.
Think
one
of
the
challenges
we're
all
going
to
face
is
you
know
for
many
many
years
we've.
You
know,
we've
tried
to
address
the
the
outfall
of
the
problem
rather
than
the
source
of
the
problem.
So
you
know,
if
you
look
at
something
like
food
security,
I
mean
it's
very
roots
or
in
things
like
the
affordability
of
food
education
around.
What's
the
right
food
to
purchase
and
then
access
which
rolls
into
areas
like
planning
and
economic
development,
so
you
know
opening
another
food
cupboard.
C
Well,
it
might
help
in
the
short
term.
You
know
provide
food
and
it's
a
daily
need,
so
we
can't
neglect
that,
but
in
the
long
run
you
know
if
the
goal
is
to
have
less
people,
you
know
hunting
for
food
in
an
urban
jungle,
then
we
have
to
get
at
the
source
so
appreciate
the
work
that
you're
doing
in
that
regard.
F
A
question
just
a
statement
of
congratulations.
I've
been
very
familiar
with
the
foundation
since
its
beginning,
in
fact,
when
the
City
of
Ottawa
gave
a
grant
to
start
the
foundation
and
the
great
work
that
the
staff
have
done,
and
great
partnerships
in
the
community.
So
I
just
want
to
congratulate
you
on
your
fundraising,
your
increase
in
the
fund
and
the
work
that
you're
doing
to
support
the
most
vulnerable.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
G
C
Anybody
else
well,
thank
you
very
much
mr.
Tolar,
mr.
Pagani
I
appreciate
you
coming
out
and
giving
us
a
little
bit
of
a
of
a
snippet
as
to
what
you
folks
are
up
to,
and
certainly
you
know
at
the
staff
level
you
mentioned
dr.
Bernie
several
times.
You
know,
look
forward
to
having
him
work
and
his
team
work
with
you
as
we
are
starting
to
initiate.
You
know,
there's
more
kind
of
broad
connections
and
see
what
we
can
build
together
over
the
months
and
years
to
come.
Thanks
very
much
with
that.
C
We'll
turn
the
committee's
attention
to
item
number
five:
the
expansion
project
to
the
YMCA
emergency
shelter
floors
for
families
who
are
homeless
at
180
Argyle.
This
is
this
is
something
that
is
really
part
of
our
housing
and
homelessness
plan.
Dr.
brewer
is
here
as
well
as
Janice
Burrell,
who
can
speak
to
kind
of
the
overview.
C
You
know
if
we
have
the
opportunity
to
cut
the
number
of
families
staying
in
motels
situations
which
are
frankly
not
ideal
but
they're.
What
we
can
do
if
we
can
cut
that
in
half
through
this
action
and
I
think
it
it's
responsible
of
us
to
take
it.
So
we
also
have
some
speakers
I'll,
let
dr.
burry
and
dr.
Burrell
or
John
I,
just
elevated
you
that
Jannis
they
give
us
a
bit
of
some
background.
I,
don't.
D
Know
Wow
Janice
is
going
to
do
the
majority
of
this,
but
I
think
this
as
you've
outlined
chair
is
a
project
that
is
very
consistent
with
the
direction
that
we're
moving
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
whole
housing
system
in
Ottawa.
This
is
a
key
of
those
first
projects
or
first
things
where
we
can
make
movement.
It's
an
important
one
for
us
on
a
ledge
on
a
sort
of
explain
the
details
for
you.
I'm,
obviously
very
pleased,
because
this
does,
as
you
say,
is
another
step
towards
eliminating
the
use
of
more
tears
for
housing
purposes.
D
H
H
Situation
so
as
a
result
of
such
as
families,
first
over
we're
aware
that
one
thirty
percent
of
clients
typically
would
return
to
the
shelter
without
the
necessary
supports,
with
families
first
we're
down
to
under
one
percent,
so
between
family,
first
programs
and
rents,
ups
and
housing
allowances
we've
been
able
to
reduce
the
number
of
families
overall
in
shelters,
so
as
you've
noted
we're
down
to
approximately
sixty
on
average.
So
this
is
a
new
opportunity.
It's
been
exciting,
otherwise
a
very
great
partner
and
it
is
value-added
as
you
suggested
they
have
on-site
counseling.
H
They
have
laundry
services,
they
have
kitchen
facilities
and-
and
we
hear
stories
about
little
kids
with
their
wings-
you
know
going
down
to
the
to
the
facilities
to
swim.
Those
are
things
that
are
not
available
necessarily
to
all
the
different
motels
in
the
city,
so
it
is.
It
also
makes
financial
sense
for
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
support
30
families.
It
would
cost
over
three
million
dollars
to
build
any
kind
of
shelter
for
for
that
number
of
people
and,
lastly,
I
think
it
is
a
very
good
indication
of
partnership.
So
there
why
a
lot
of
work?
H
Finding
private
donors
so
we're
paying
not
the
lion's
share
of
this
as
well
as
we
have
unanimous
support
from
all
the
various
agencies
and
providers
that
we
work
with.
So
we've
done
some
heavy
consultation
on
this,
and
we
support
this.
So
we're
very
excited-
and
it's
just
one
of
the
many
initiatives
that
we
have
underway
under
the
ten-year
plans
will
be
back
with
when
you
have
many
other
good
news
stories.
H
C
Thank
you
very
much
Janice
and
certainly
agree
with
you
on
that.
You
know
it's
give
the
rest
of
committee
an
opportunity
to
ask
some
questions,
but
I
would
say
this
not
to
be
too
presumptive,
but
assuming
that
committee
and
council
carry
this
which
I
imagine
given
our
direction,
we
like
they
will.
You
know
the
offer
and
request
I
would
make
to
our
colleagues
in
the
media.
C
You
know
there's
another
program,
that's
running
at
the
YMCA
called
the
Tri
supportive
housing
program
that
we
invested
in
some
time
ago,
and
it
got
coverage
at
council
and
committee
when
we
when
we
funded
it,
but
then
when
we
went
and
we
actually
opened
it,
you
know
the
folks
have
been
living
in
it
for
some
time,
but
when
we
opened
it
and
had
a
little
cake
to
celebrate,
we
didn't
really
get.
You
know
much
media
attention
or
focus
on
it.
We
weren't
able
to
get
the
message
out
about
the
good
work.
C
Imagine
you
know
your
everybody
in
class
is
having
a
birthday
party
that
you
want
to
have
a
birthday
party
for
your
child,
but
you
live
in
a
motel.
It's
not
an
ideal
situation
for
your
child
to
be
in,
and
so
this
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
take
some
swift,
immediate
action
to
fix
that
frankly,
and
the
outfall
of
this
I'd
suggest
wouldn't
be
just
on
the
immediate
families
and
the
people
living
in
this
facility,
but
on
all
of
those
around
them
and
their
extended
family
as
well.
C
F
Mr.
chair,
so
I
just
want
to
congratulate
staff
on
bringing
this
forward
and
working
with
the.
Why
it's
a
perfect
location,
the
kids
can
walk
to
elementary
school
Glasson
Lisgar.
So
all
their
school
time
can
be
walked
to
there's
a
great
playground
across
the
street.
The
Museum
of
Nature
has
great
green
space
for
kids
to
be
out
playing,
so
it's
really
an
ideal
situation
for
the
families,
all
right,
Value
Added,
that's
so
important,
as
well,
of
course,
as
the
absolutely
essential
stability
of
the
housing
for
those
families.
F
I
Very
supportive
with
my
colleague
in
terms
of
location
in
terms
of
access
to
school,
one
of
the
elements
I
know
that
some
of
the
kids
in
the
past
or
some
of
the
families
were
on
the
trail
Road
and
we're
close
to
we're
going
to
Assumption
school
and
we've
proposed
in
the
past,
with
Assumption
school
on
different
projects.
So
one
of
the
comments
was
the
high
turnover
because
the
kids
would
come
in
for
two
months
or
four
appeared.
Then,
when
we
found
how
appropriate
housing
they
would
move
I.
Wonder
that
the.
I
Why,
specifically
in
terms
of
bridging
the
student
experience,
because
because
now
we
have
the
shelter
piece
but
I'm
wondering
in
terms
of
the
student
experience
student
learning,
how
we're
going
to
try
to
work
with
the
school
board,
perhaps
to
bridge
that
learning,
because
it's
challenging
when
family
moves
around
to
to
make
sure
that
the
the
kids
have
appropriate
enough
education.
Zall
a
word
and
we're.
D
Just
re
chatting
back
and
forth,
and
it's
one
of
the
things
that's
challenging
for
virtually
all
of
our
children
on
social
assistance,
and
we
see
a
lot
of
movement
in
the
school
system.
It's
one
of
the
things.
That's
constantly
disruptive
so
as
part
of
the
overall
design
and
focus
going
forward,
we're
trying
to
through
those
partnerships
with
housing
providers
limit
those
movements,
try
and
get
people
in
stable
long
term
housing
rather
than
these
multiple
movements.
D
I
think
you
do
raise
some
important
points,
one
of
the
other
key
things
we,
even
when
children
going
to
shelters,
is
making
sure
they
get
to
school
every
day,
because
there's
also
attendance
issues
in
many
of
these
areas
as
well.
So
these
are
our
factors,
I
think,
with
a
closer
partnership,
you
can
work
on
pretty
hard
when
you're
spread
out
over
multiple
motels,
multiple
schools.
That's
all
part
of
the
design
is
to
not
necessarily
concentrate
but
having
a
place
with
enough
supports
that
those
dollars
we
can
I
think
get
better
results
for
it.
H
Also,
the
families
first
program,
part
of
the
responsibility,
is
to
assist
in
that
transition
from
one
school
to
another
and
and
frankly,
we're
looking
at
things
like
choice
based
renting,
so
that,
if
you're,
you
know
happy
in
a
certain
area,
is
there
a
way
for
you
to
identify
that
as
being
the
area
that
you
so
that
you
have
the
rest
of
that
transition?
We're
very
aware
of
these
these
difficulties.
When
you
know
people
are
trying
to
study
and
will
be
stable
and
you
know
support,
you
know
healthy
education,
all
the
way
through.
I
It
relates
more
to
the
structure
of
that
school.
How,
within
the
existing
school
wants,
the
kids
from
from
the
YMCA
location
would
attend
if
there's
a
special
worker
in
there,
because
even
within
the
school
there's
a
lot
of
transition
for
the
teachers,
the
evaluation
of
in
the
right
grade.
Are
we
providing
them
enough
resources?
So
I
wonder
if
there
could
be
some
specific
attention
paid
into
the
schools
that
are
in
proximity
to
that
location?.
I
H
The
social
housing
reserve
is
at
the
end
of
the
year,
if
there's
a
surplus
or
deficit,
it
comes
out
of
that
Reserve
or
goes
into
that
reserve.
So
it's
primarily
from
the
the
social
housing
component.
It's
a
fairly
large
envelope.
It's
a
110
million
dollars,
so
7.8
million
dollars
is
in
comparison
to
the
110
is
not
that
significant
and
it's
very
whether
any
kind
of
massive
change
or
crisis
or
things
that
happen
on
the
social
housing
side
of
things.
So
we
do
try
to
maintain
a
fairly
healthy
level.
H
When
you
look
at
some
of
the
other
cities
and
some
of
the
incidences
that
have
happened
around
social
housing,
it's
important
that
they
be
able
to
support
and
not
come
back
to
the
city
as
to
their
reserves
or
to
you
know,
looking
at
identifying
some
additional
dollars
to
support
any
kind
of
issues
that
arise
out
of
social
housing
because
it's
it's
complex
with
you
know:
utility
increasing
utility
rates
and
insurance
fees
and
all
of
those
things.
So
it's
highly
volatile
and
it's
a
very
big
high-end,
significant
envelope
of
money.
I
Today
in
front
of
us
I
think
committee
members
will
be
very
supportive,
but
I
wonder
where
it
brings
us
in
terms
of
the
the
group,
the
family
groups
in
shelters.
So
we
have
shelters
if
this
were
helping
specifically
families
with
the
ideas
of
reducing
the
stay
in
motels.
Can
you
maybe
elaborate
on?
What's
our
city
goes
on
a
specific
to
that
in.
I
H
Good
news
is
that
the
number
of
families
has
been
increasing
year
over
year
over
year
and
what
the
first
time
and
I
don't
know
how
many
years
is
probably
well
over
seven,
we
saw
an
18%
decrease
in
the
number
of
families,
so
the
trend
is
turning
and
we're
hoping
that
we're
at
the
tipping
point-
and
some
of
the
reasons
for
that
is-
we've
got
more
affordable
housing
coming
online,
as
I
said,
we
had
the
rents
ups
and
the
housing
allowances
that
were
moving
from
the
14
million
as
well
as
families.
First,
that's
the
preventative.
H
If
you
can
go
back
to
maturity,
all
those
points
about
prevention,
then
then,
obviously,
there's
going
to
be
less
people
that
are
going
to
become
homeless
and
then
make
those
requirements.
So
we
are
really
striving
towards
zero
use
of
motels.
Of
course,
we
have
a
volatile
volatile
environment.
Different
things
can
impact
that
but
systematically
we're
trying
to
reduce
the
use
of
hotels
and
to
reduce
the
number
of
people
even
requiring
the
family
shelters.
Ideally
through
prevention
and
that's
part,
that's
the
cornerstone
of
the
ten-year
plan.
Perfect.
C
Thank
you
very
much.
Anybody
else,
nope
I
think
I
can
speak
for
us
all
when
we
say
that
the
goal
is
hotel,
zero.
That's
the
that's
the
target,
all
right
members
of
committee
there's
two
pieces
to
this:
that
we're
being
asked
to
approve
the
City
of
Ottawa
enter
into
the
contribution
agreements.
We
do
have
a
speaker
who
came
and
indicated
that
they
were
in
support.
Mr.
Dickie
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
wanted
to
speak
mr.
Dickey
or
just
express
your
support
for
this
sure,
absolutely
we'll
invite
you
down
then.
K
As
you
know,
I'm
Nick,
Scherr
of
the
Eastern
Ontario
landlord
organization,
the
private
landlords
in
the
city
you
may
or
may
not
know
in
that
role.
I
also
sit
on
the
housing
system
working
group,
which
is
the
group
of
both
housing
providers
and
service
providers,
which
sits
and
advises
the
the
housing
branch,
and
we
are
very
much
appreciative
of
having
been
given
that
role
and
being
able
to
support
the
city's
efforts.
K
However,
you
should
be
aware
that
the
group
didn't
deal
with.
It
was
a
no-brainer
issue,
because
the
group
also
looked
very
much
of
the
notion
that
the
goal
of
the
whole
homelessness
plan,
housing
and
homelessness
plan
is
to
avoid
people
moving
into
shelters
in
the
first
place,
so
this
was
regarded
as
a
better
band-aid
rather
than
the
real
goal
of
the
operation.
K
K
Today,
in
terms
of
the
the
new
funding
which
the
city
provided,
which
has
enabled
a
number
of
phases
in
the
system
to
start
moving
in
a
much
more
positive
way
so
again,
I
would
commend
support
the
the
program
of
today
and
also
support
the
direction
of
the
housing
and
homelessness
plan
and
councils
provision
of
these
additional
resources
to
enable
the
city
to
make
those
those
critical
changes
to
turn
the
whole
housing.
Almost
a
situation
around.
That's
all
I
wanted
to
say
thanks.
C
Very
much
John,
yeah
I
think
we
all
you
know.
Sometimes
we
take
for
granted
because
we're
inside
the
the
box,
as
it
were,
that
you
know
there's
a
this.
We
want.
We
all
agree.
We
want
to
get
out
of
that
business
of
putting
people
into
you,
know
motels
or
shelters.
We
want
to
get
them
into
stable
housing
as
quickly
as
possible,
but
because
they're
human
beings,
you
know
transition,
is
sometimes
a
worthwhile
thing.
You
know
it's
better
to
be
in
a
less
bad
situation
getting
better.
C
You
know,
then,
just
simply
waiting
until
it's
perfect
and
moving
into
it.
So
this
is
certainly
a
step
in
the
right
direction
and,
as
you
indicated,
you
know,
housing
allowances.
Rent
supplements
are
tools
that
we're
now
using
much
more
vigorously
than
in
the
past
to
get
us
out
of
the
game
of
supporting
bricks
and
mortar
and
back
into
the
game
of
supporting
our
residents.
So
are
there
any
questions
for
mr.
dick
you
through
based
on
his
presentation?
Thank
you
very
much
John.
Thank
you.
So
with
that
there
are
two
portions
to
this.
C
One
were
being
asked
to
approve
the
City
of
Ottawa
enter
into
the
contribution
of
groom
with
the
YMCA
for
a
contribution
of
$400,000
in
support
of
this
retrofit.
In
order
to
facilitate
this
and
to
that,
we
delegate
the
authority
to
the
administrator
housing
services
branch
to
finalize
and
execute
contribution
agreement.
As
in
the
report
folks,
on
committee,
may
we
carry
this
carried.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you.
Dr.
burry
I've
been
a
procedural
neglect
on
my
part.
Colleagues
have
to
go
back
to
mr.
Pagani's
mr.
C
C
This
came
as
a
result
of
a
motion
that
counselor
Ellie
had
to
brought
or
notice
of
motion
the
by
law
and
regulatory
Services
staff
of
prepare
to
report
a
flushed
out
around
that
motion
they're
here
to
speak
to
the
report
today
and
I'm
sure
counselor
Ellie
would
like
to
lead
this
to
some
degree,
and
then
we
do
have
three
speakers
signed
up
to
speak
to
this.
So
perhaps
I
will
give
a
counselor
sure
Ellie
the
mic,
and
let
him
introduce
this
and
then
we
can
have
staff
and
it,
sir,
any
questions.
Thank.
J
You
mr.
chair
well,
this
is:
she
began
for
us
in
college
warden
about
2004
when
we
started
to
see
the
rapid
expansion
of
Algonquin
College
and
a
lot
of
construction
around
the
Centrepointe
town
center
and
the
there's
an
increasing
number
of
abuses
occurring
in
in
the
neighborhood,
specifically
people
converting
their
homes
into
many
rooming
houses,
and
there
were
clarifications
required
to
the
bylaw.
J
At
times
we
probably
remember
in
around
2006
we
amended
the
bylaw,
essentially
not
allowing
conversion
of
single-family
homes
in
the
area,
except
on
specific
streets
which
were
arterial,
our
neighborhood
collectors,
and
we
saw
earlier
this
year
in
councillor,
Flurry's
ward.
The
same
sort
of
action
was
taken
and
it's
proven
fairly
effective,
but
the
problem,
the
the
main
problem
remaining,
is
basically
illegal,
rooming
houses.
J
So
people
doing
the
conversions
against
the
bylaw
and
just
banking
on
the
idea
that
they
won't
get
caught
and
some
of
its
pretty
brazen,
where
you
have
people
actually
advertising
online
on
Kijiji
things
like
that.
Even
though
we're
only
allowed
to
rent
Oh
three
or
four
rooms,
they
will
advertise
ten
rooms
right
right
in
the
headline,
and
so
it
gets
pretty
pretty
brazen
and
people
in
the
community
start
to
see
the
effects
of
it.
J
We
we've
had
a
series
of
community-wide
meetings
that
were
well
attended
and
the
community
had
a
number
of
solutions
that
they
would
like
to
see
implemented.
But
I
came
back,
talked
to
staff
and
staff
have
asked
for
the
ability
to
go
to
the
municipal
law
enforcement
network
and
talk
about
what
are
the
best
practice
solutions
for
getting
at
this
problem
and
also
talking
to
communities
and
students
in
the
areas
around
institutions
that
are
similar
to
this
throughout
throughout
Ontario.
So
I
think
that
makes
sense.
C
B
B
B
B
C
All
right,
thank
you
other
questions
from
other
members
of
committee
to
staff.
No,
all
right,
we'll
move
to
delegations.
We
have
three
mr.
John
bachelor
bachelor.
If
you're
here
come
ahead
down
and
you
have
five
minutes
from
when
you
begin
just
hit
the
button
in
front
of
you
to
turn
the
mic
on.
Please.
G
Yes,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
address
the
committee.
Please.
My
name
is
John
Bachelor
I've
lived
33
years
in
the
neighborhood
that
we're
talking
about
in
concert
councillors,
trolleys
Ward.
We
like
this
neighbor,
so
much
that
we
put
two
additions
on
our
house.
As
our
family
grew.
Many
of
the
people
on
our
street
have
been
there
even
longer,
40
years
or
more
just
when
the
neighborhood
was
built
and
the
city
the
area
is
even
though
there
are
some
and
some
other
people
have
been
there
for
well
they've
invested
in
their
houses
as
well.
G
G
It's
it
hasn't
yet,
but
with
the
age
is
a
population
there
is
a
population.
It's
where
the
tipping
point
so
they're
people
who've
been
phoning
bylaws
and
so
few
people
do
to
get
to
get
satisfaction
yet
means
what,
as
council
trolley,
talked
about
it's
very
hard
to
to
make
the
case
that
there's
an
illegal.
G
So
I
think
we
just
need
some
some
way
to
stop
the
extreme
abuse.
We're
not
talking
about
the
senior
who
wants
to
have
a
student
come
in.
There
are
two
students
come
in
and
help
them
financially
and
physically
that's
great
there.
We
find
no
problems
with
that.
It's
just
the
abuse
and
it
seems
hard
it's
just.
We
don't
have
that.
G
The
rules
are
the
manpower
or
whatever
to
to
address
the
abusive
situations,
and
you
have
to
head
it
off
before
so
that
people
don't
come
in
and
you
know
destroy
our
house
by
converting
it
into
ten
ten
rooms
and
then
no
one
wants
it
even
if
they
are
caught
and
sent
out
and
you've
got
a
house.
That's
that
there's
a
derelict
too,
because
because
of
that,
so
it
really
half
dozen
nip
it
in
the
bud.
G
Really,
that's
what
we're
talking
about
and
if
everybody
understands
that
the
business
model
of
coming
in
and
turning
and
turning
a
house
into
ten
names
is
not
allowed
and
will
be
caught
and
will
be
stopped.
Then
it
won't
happen,
and
that's
all
we're
talking
about.
So
if,
if
and
we're
looking
at
trying
to
get
the
men
and
approach,
you
know,
we
don't
need
a
sledgehammer,
and
if
licensing
or
inspections,
or
something
like
that
is,
it
can
be,
can
be
put
in
a
best
practice
from
another
area.
G
We
can
exempt
large
landlords
who
can
look
after
themselves
that
kind
of
thing
we
just
need
to
have
a
tool
that
will
allow
the
bylaw
people
to
to
enforce
it,
but
we
hope
they
don't
whatever
have
to
enforce
it.
We
just
want
an
environment
that
makes
it
so
that
people
know
they'll
get
caught
so
they
won't.
They
won't
do
it.
If
you
have
policemen,
you
know
the
side
of
the
road
with
radar
guns.
You
know
all
the
time.
G
Need
to
know
that
they
will
get
caught
if
they
try
to
do
this.
Otherwise,
we'll
have
the
you
know,
you
just
need
just
nip
it
in
the
bud.
We
have
an
opportunity
now
to
to
make
sure
that
no
other
places
get
get
into
this
and
I'd
really
like
your
support
in
asking
me
the
staff
to
to
do
their
research
and
come
up
with
the
best
idea,
the
minimum
idea,
the
best
idea.
Thank
you.
C
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
bachelor
hang
on
one.
Second,
there
may
be
members
have
questions
for
you.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out.
I
think
you
know
you're
in
your
presentation.
You
made
mention
of
the
the
conversion
issues
so
not
wanting
to
see
homes
in
your
neighborhood.
You
know,
convert
it
over
into
buildings
that
then
you
know,
or
in
fact
not
useful.
C
You
know
if
the
rooming
house
moved
out,
you
know
single
family
wouldn't
wouldn't
buy
that
home
again,
but
I
also
just
want
to
clarify
that
you
know
what
staff
we're
going
to
be
dealing
with
really
is
the
is
exactly
that
piece,
the
conversion
piece.
You
know
the
outfall
of
the
behavior
that
sometimes
accompanies
situations
like
this.
You
know
the
mowing
of
the
grass
the
loud
parties
at
night,
all
the
stuff
that,
quite
frankly,
councillor
flurries
and
neighborhoods,
more
than
most
have
to
deal
with.
C
You
know
that's
that's
to
some
degree
a
bit
of
a
separate
issue
at
some
of
which
we
have
tools
to
deal
with
right
now
and
have
been
successful
doing
so
and
others
perhaps
we
could
learn.
You
know
I
was
part
of
this,
but
they
wouldn't
necessarily
form
part
of
the
conversions
thing.
They'd
be
information
gathered.
Maybe
we
can,
you
know,
come
at
that
in
another
way,
shape
or
form
members
of
community
councillor
flurry,
I'm.
I
Just
looking
for
validation
from
your
comments,
I'll
try
to
simplify
it
and
tell
me
if
I'm
right,
what
you're
looking
for
is
a
concept
of
licensing
for
the
purpose
of
the
city,
clearly
understand
understanding
what's
happening
in
and
on
a
property,
but
also
having
yearly
review
right
of
entry
and
contact
with
the
landlord
on
that
premise.
I.
G
Think
that
that's
a
promising
so
I
think
that
that's
a
promising
line
of
approach,
but
I,
don't
know
that
that's
the
best
I'm,
not
an
expert
on
this
and
I'd
like
to
see
what
other
communities
have
done.
In
fact,
rick
has
done
some
some
research
on
this
and
then
the
staff
of
having
done
some
preliminary
research
as
my
understanding.
G
What
I'm
learning
today
and
just
not
the
best
approach
but
I,
think
that
the
situation
where,
if
there
are
10
people
living
in
the
house
and
they've,
converted
the
dining
room
and
they
living
in
and
that
kind
of
thing
about
that.
So
that's
that's
what
we
know.
So
there
has
to
be
something
if
they've.
If
the
land
won't
talk
to
you
and
the
people
who
are
living
there
are
transient
and
they
come
and
go,
and
they
don't
want
to
talk
to
you.
They
don't
lose
their
place
to
live
I.
Think!
G
Well,
we
mean
what
is
a
place.
Is
a
system
and
it
could
be
licensing,
and
it
could
require
this
right
of
entry
to
get
the
information
where
the
students
who
do
live
there
and
and
and
have
the
right
to
tunes,
live
in
a
safe
and
no
one
squalid.
What's
a
what's
the
opposite
of
squalid
situation
they
ever
like
to
to
good
housing.
I
think
that
it
probably
needs
some
kind
of
licensing
and
inspection
to
make
sure
that
that
happens,
that
they're
not
learning
in
squalor
and
unsafe
conditions.
G
And
then
the
house
doesn't
also
deteriorate
and
and
become
a
fire
hazard
whatever
or
just
derelict,
because
it's
abandoned,
because
no
one
wants
to
live
in
that
house
anymore,
because
it's
been
trash
and
my
wife
is
a
real
estate
agent
or
just
just
started
about
a
year
now,
and
she
just
met
with
somebody
who,
who
is
was
an
absentee
landlord
and
I.
Don't
know
if
it
was
students
that
are
in
it,
but
to
just
I,
don't
have
all
the
details,
but
she
just
said
to
me
that
the
renter's
had
essentially
trashed
the
place
well.
G
Well,
this
this
landlord
was
away,
and
now
she
was
thinking
of
selling
it.
But
I
don't
think
it
was
a
conversion.
I
think
it
was
a
place
that
just
had
unfortunate
tenants,
but
that's
they.
You
know
how
it
can
happen
just
like
that,
so
we're
not
talking
about
landlords
who
are
in
place.
If
they,
you
know,
if
they're
in
the
building,
then
their
compliance
with
any
licensing
or
or
an
inspection
regime
is
going
to
be
easy
and
and
and
and
not
a
big
deal.
But
it's
it's
where
we
have
the
absolute
peace.
I
I
We
were
interested
in
looking
and
staff
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
we're
interested
in
looking
at
the
openness
to
if
there
is
an
issue
on
the
property,
a
behavior
issue
into
property
standards,
noise,
tenants
rights
and
making
sure
that
the
quality
of
housing
is
appropriate
to
see
how
we
can
structure
that
to
protect
neighbors
to
protect
the
tenants.
But
how
that's
done
and
what
the
captures
is.
The
analysis
point
from
what
I
gather
that
we've
seen
or
not.
G
They,
you
know
who
are
gonna,
stay
there
and
any
students
who
might
want
to
be
living
in
the
neighborhood,
let's
protect
them,
and
the
neighbors
of
course,
and
then
just
but
just
we
just
really
want
to
discourage
the
speculation
of
an
absentee
landlord
who's.
Gonna
come
in
and
wreck
the
place
and
then
wreck
the
neighborhood.
F
C
J
Oh,
sir
sure
Ellie,
just
following
up
on
that
to
Miss
Jones,
just
wondering
if
he
could
I
was
trying
to
make
it
clear
that
this,
whatever
we
do
here,
is
dealing
only
with
a
small
geographical
area
around
where
the
problem
appears
to
be
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
just
expand
on
the
Supreme
Court
decision
of
this
past
winter.
That
gives
us
the
ability
to
do
that
to
target.
B
B
J
C
A
Thank
you
so
I
said
my
name
is
Jed
Rasmussen
I'm
here,
because
I
live
in
Ryan
farm
with
my
wife
and
three
young
boys
and
I
can
only
give
you
a
subjective
view
of
this,
and
we
moved
into
Ryan
farm
for
three
years
ago
about
three
years
ago.
I'm,
not
sure
if
people
are
familiar
with
the
community,
but
we
bought
there
because
we're
a
10-minute
walk
from
two
elementary
schools
where
five-minute
drive,
nepean
sportsplex,
where
the
kids
swam
we're
close
to
Pine
Crest.
A
The
boys
take
skating,
lessons
we're
close
to
the
Centrepointe
library
and
our
street
empties
into
a
big
park.
So
it
is
a
family-oriented
neighborhood,
so
I'm
at
the
opposite
end
of
that
journey.
If
you
will
and
then
John
a
lot
of
people
are
looking
to
move
out.
They've
raised
their
kids
there
we're
starting
out
we
weren't
naive
when
we
bought
the
house.
My
wife
and
I
knew
beside
Algonquin
College.
So
before
we
made
an
offer,
we
walked
up
and
down
our
street,
knocking
on
doors,
see
who
lived
there
and
get
their
opinion
about
the
neighborhood.
A
Overwhelmingly
people
loved
it.
So
we
made
our
offer.
We
also
learned,
though,
that
there
was
a
legal
ruling
house
that
seemed
to
have
snuck
in
during
amalgamation
that
the
neighborhood
really
pushed
back,
that
they
would
buy
laws
in
place
to
prevent
ruling
houses
appearing
again.
So
unfortunately,
I'm
here
to
talk
about
illegal
rooming
houses,
it's
a
concern
for
the
neighborhood.
Obviously
it
doesn't
look
like
we
have
a
system
in
place
that
can
combat
it.
A
I've
changed
when
I
shakes
I'm
listening
as
you
folks
go
along
I
understand
it's
a
big
issue
in
the
city
I'm,
looking
at
my
neighborhood
and
my
street.
There's
an
illegal
house
at
the
end
of
our
street
and
I
would
not
want
to
be
the
person
living
beside
them.
If
I
had
to
sell
I,
don't
think
I'd
be
able
to
some
people
have
tried
and
when
their
house
is
it's
an
open
house,
you're
working
across
the
street
and
there's
garbage
in
the
laneway,
the
properties
and
disrepair
on
and
on
so
really
I'm.
A
Here
today
to
ask
you
the
same
thing:
the
community
asset,
mr.
Sher
Ali,
which
is
we
need
a
solution.
We
have
a
problem.
We
do
not
have
a
solution
and
I
don't
want
to
be
that
person
ten
years
from
now,
twenty
years
on,
who
tries
to
sell
the
house
and
finds
they're
unable
to
do
so
because
you
haven't
you
ever
get
ahead
of
this
I
view
this
problem
as
an
opportunity,
it's
always
easy
to
say.
No,
we
can't
do
something.
A
I'm,
self-employed
and
I
work
a
lot
of
organizations,
there's
always
two
people
who
said
we
can't
do
that
and
they
don't
give
us
an
alternative.
I
think
we
need
a
solution.
That's
what
I'm
asking
of
you,
where
the
hundred
of
our
neighbors
last
year
signed
the
letter
and
sent
it
to
the
cynics
they
were
concerned
about.
This
we've
had
numerous
community
meetings
like
70-plus
people,
where
people
are
angry.
People
are
concerned.
A
Whenever
you
see
a
for
sale,
sign
up
your
neighborhood
you're
not
excited
what
who
moves
in
the
air,
not
in
your
stomach,
you're,
not
sure.
What's
gonna
happen,
who's
gonna
move
in
there.
So
that's
really!
Why
I'm?
Here
we
love
where
we
live.
It's
a
great
community
I
want
to
stress
the
play
about
students.
I
know
I've
reasonably
sensitive
about
this.
The
students
are
a
part
of
our
community.
Nobody
recognizes
that
Algonquin,
it's
a
part
of
our
community.
My
neighbors
work
at
Algonquin
College,
the
kids
who
go
there.
Some
live
on
our
street.
A
Everybody
works
at
the
stores
around
us.
I
think
the
problem
is
with
the
speculators.
As
my
neighbours
said,
we
that's
what
we're
trying
to
get
ahead
run
a
handle
around
so
that
they're,
the
ones
we're
just
trying
to
monetize
my
neighborhood,
not
everybody,
but
some
are,
and
we
need
a
solution
that
deals
with
that
and
I'm
happy
to
hear
that
people
are
working
on
that
trying
to
find
a
solution,
because
my
fear,
because
I
hope
to
be
over
the
next
20
or
30
years,
is
that
we're
gonna
run
into
what
mr.
A
A
A
That
I
think
it's
when
well.
A
house
set
is
supposed
to
accommodate
three
or
four
people.
My
understanding
is,
you
can
rent
out
three
or
four
rooms.
When
suddenly
you
have
six
to
eight
people
living
there
and
I
mean
that's.
That's
essentially,
it
I
mean
my
rear,
neighbor
who's,
always
flown
in
the
fire
department,
because
the
house
across
the
street
you
stopped
padlocks
and
all
the
individual
doors,
because
they're
just
renting
out
room
by
room.
So
there's
a
bylaw.
A
My
understanding
is,
you
should
be
able
to
rent
out
a
certain
number
of
rooms
and
people
were
saying:
I
can
charge
$500
a
room,
a
good
example.
My
neighbors
last
year
moved
and
I
dodged
a
bullet
because
they
sold
the
home
privately,
and
they
came
next
to
chemo
and
sauce
and
said
two
people,
two
couples
that
came
through
it
entered
with
tape
measures
and
they
they
were
talking
amongst
themselves
that
they
could
put
eight
rooms
in
the
house.
So
it's
for
you
could
you
convert
the
dining
room
and
a
couple
of
the
basement
and
done?
A
Thankfully,
you
know
our
neighbors
raised
their
kids.
There
they
loved
the
neighborhood.
They
wouldn't
even
deal
with
them
now
that
second
in
information,
but
that,
in
my
mind,
is
legal
rooming
house
looking
to
how
can
I
pack
as
many
people
into
this
home,
so
I
can
increase
my
profits
and
I'm
self-employed
to
run
a
business
profits,
a
good
thing,
but
there
are
rules
right
well.
F
F
F
Of
entry
for
for
anything,
for
zoning,
compliance
for
property
standards
compliance,
so
we
have
two
ways
of
getting
entry
into
a
dwelling
unit.
We
can
be
invited
in
by
a
tenant
or
the
Oh,
or
we
can
go
through
the
courts
and
get
a
warrant
to
go
into
a
property.
When
we
believe
that
there
is
something
of
significance
that
we
need
to
examine
and
investigate.
I
I
I
A
final
question
on
this,
so
the
the
description
from
the
delegation
around
people
I
just
want
to
make
sure
so
we
can
go
in
and
if
we
were
able
to
enter
the
property,
we
were
able
to
look
at
bedrooms.
But
my
understanding
is
that
that
there's
30
people
in
the
building
or
that
there's
six,
that
that
we
have
no
control
over
in
any
bylaws
or
zoning
or
our.
F
Property
standards
bylaw
does
define
a
minimum
amount
of
space
for
a
bedroom,
so
we
would
have
to
take
a
look
in
the
building
measure
it
find
out.
So
so,
if
there
are
three
bedrooms,
potentially
people
could
double
up.
There
could
be
six
six
people
living
in
the
three
bedrooms
if
the
bedroom
is
large
enough
to
accommodate
two
people
living
in
it.
So
the
zoning
regulates
the
number
of
bedrooms
that
are
created.
B
B
I
C
F
J
J
But
it's
the
illegal
rooming
houses
and
we
know
there
are
different
solutions
in
different
parts
of
the
province
that
have
produced
some
really
good
results
in
different
ways.
Some
negative
results
as
well
and
so
I
think
the
issue
is
with
the
eyes
on
the
prize
of
being
able
to
nail
the
perpetrators
of
illegal
rooming
houses.
J
We
want
to
find
the
best
solutions
that
take
us
there
and
because
people
when
they
moved
in,
they
knew
the
conditions
they
put
a
lot
of
money
into
their
homes,
their
property
owners
of
property
rights
and
others
who
decide
to
ignore
the
rules
shouldn't
be
able
to
have
a
negative
impact
on
their
property
right.
So
that's,
basically
what
I
I
think
we're
after.
C
Okay,
that's
it
Thank
You
councillor,
yes,
so
thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
Rasmussen
appreciate
your
your
presentation.
Last
speaker
on
this
is
mr.
Dickey
again
for
a
repeat,
engagement,
I,
think,
I
think
we
heard
him
lauding
our
praises
the
first
time
we're
not
probably
going
to
hear
that
this
time
he's
registered
in
opposition,
so
mr.
Dickey
have
five
minutes.
Let
us
hear
from
you
thank.
K
K
K
Come
about
London
brought
in
such
a
system
and
for
the
first
year
cost
the
taxpayers
over
a
million
dollars.
Now
they
had
a
license
fee
of
$25
a
unit
and
that's
shut
up
to
150
175
in
Oshawa,
huge
licensing
fees
on
a
room-to-room
basis
and
the
cost
of
the
landlords
in
terms
of
of
fulfilling
the
licensing
requirements
probably
well
exceeded
a
million
dollars
and
that
drives
up
the
cost
of
housing
and
that
reduces
affordable
housing
and
it's
a
bad
thing.
K
Other
points
and
I
made
using
my
email
to
you
or
requires
bureaucracy
to
administer
when
the
city
is
trying
to
contain
staffing
and
costs
in
waste
city
resources,
because
you're
processing,
all
this
paper
from
people
who
are
compliant
in
in
every
respect,
or
at
least
in
the
vast
bulk
of
respects,
just
like
most
homeowners,
are
compliant
most
of
the
time
that
not
a
hundred
percent
of
the
time
it
imposes
costs
and
paper
burden
on
people,
then
who
are
complying
with
the
rules
and
again
that's
a
negative.
It's
not
directed
at
the
real
problem
or
problems.
K
K
To
try
to
nail
the
one
person,
wisdoms
and
again
I'm
sure
the
staff
will
address
those
issues.
I
have
been
in
discussions
with
them
annual
council
of
shirali
and
with
the
table
this
issue
over
the
last
five
or
six
years,
and
it
will
continue
to
be
in
that
discussion.
I
mean
we
want
the
problem
of
these
realities
solve.
We
think
there
are
other
better
ways
to
do
it:
a
protocol
for
generating
the
evidence
needed
to
obtain
search
warrants
or
search
orders.
K
K
All
kinds
of
C
bylaws
and
these
things
work
99.9
percent
of
the
time.
So
it's
it's
like
filling
out
the
baby
with
the
bathwater
orders
is
the
opposite.
We
hover
I
think
a
tiny
problem
because,
where
I
am
far
as
I
understand,
it
does
not
have
complaint
rate
higher
than
the
norm
in
the
city
and
then
we're
going
through
this
blanket
over
everyone
and
with
the
cost
of
that
will
entail,
and
the
notion
that
that
blanket
made
then
gets
thrown
over
everybody
in
the
city
every
landlord
in
the
city
that
would
really
pose.
So.
C
You
very
much
mr.
Dickey
do
we
have
questions
for
mr.
Dickey?
No,
so
I
think
you
know
councillor
Florian
said
well,
you
know,
would
you
be
willing
to
be
part
of
the
saloon?
I
mean
I.
Think
if
committee
carries
this
and
then
council
subsequently
carries
this,
the
staff
are
being
tasked
with
going
away
and
getting
information.
Then
it'll
be
up
to
us
what
we
do
with
the
information.
So
at
that
point,
I'm
imagining
I'm
looking
to
staff
here.
C
You
already
have
several
working
groups,
of
which
Yolo
is
a
member
of,
at
least
at
least
one
or
two.
What
would
be
the
appetite
to
take
the
information
that
you've
learned
and
do
a
little
bit
of
consultation
with
some
of
the
existing
tables
that
we
have
to
look
at?
You
know
sharing
the
information
that
you
got
and
perspective
solutions,
and
what
would
it
LoZ
appetite
be
to
being
they're.
J
Valley,
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
what
we
looked
at
five
years
ago,
which
I
voted
against
five
years
ago
and
would
again
today,
was
a
broad-based
licensing
of
all
landlords
for
almost
licensing
purpose,
as
opposed
to
a
tightly
defined
area
around
problem
hotspots
which
now
the
Supreme
Court
lets
us
do,
and
so
it's
different
scale
and
on
the
cost.
We
already
have
significant
costs
just
to
respond
to
these.
K
J
Carol
I
just
want
to
point
out
that,
even
though
mr.
Dickies
members
are
not
really
affected
by
this,
we
did
invite
his
organization
to
be
part
of
our
last
few
public
meetings
and
they
were
present
at
those
meetings
and
we
did
lay
a
challenge
down
to
him,
which
is,
if
you
can
come
up
with
a
legal
solution
that
solves
our
access
problem
and
helps
us
get
a
solution
here.
Then
we
would
gladly
take
it.
K
K
K
K
I
I
So
funny
it's
just
I
want
to
highlight
this
received
a
confirmation
from
the
Planning
Department
that
there
was
no
appeals
on
the
conversion
dollar,
and
that
demonstrates
to
me
when
we
focus
on
an
issue
and
we
work
in
collaboration
with
all
the
parties
were
able
to
do
things
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
focus
on
the
challenge
at
hand.
The
challenge,
in
my
mind,
is
when
landlords
are
absent.
We
have
an
issue
because
we
can't
get.
I
We
can't
get
compliance,
we
struggle
with
compliance
the
there's
some
properties
that
things
are
done
within
the
structure
that
appear
to
be
illegal,
so
you
have
to
close
the
loop
on
that
and
we
also
it's
all
it's
all.
It's
the
access
and
read
of
entry
component
to
it.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
just
focus
on
the
issue.
I
Only
because
then
you
open
south
of
reader
and
then
you
actually
open
up
across
from
the
leader,
liver,
so
I
would
ask
and
I
if
there's
a
benefit
for
councillors,
rally
to
have
something
specific
to
isn't
it
I'm
not
opposed
to
it.
But
I
would
also
ask
the
analysis
to
be
done
to
not
just
be
zone
specific,
but
they
have
perhaps
some
ideas
for
a
citywide
approach.