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Description
Community and Protective Services Committee - Agenda 18 - Thursday, April 15, 2021
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas
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please
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who
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not
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reminder.
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participants
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please
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your
microphones
muted
until
you're,
called
on
to
speak
I'll,
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each
committee
member
with
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
or
comment
on
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item
in
the
order
in
which
they
raise
their
hand
on
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committee.
Members
will
be
called
on
first,
followed
by
any
other
members
of
council
who
have
joined
us
today.
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9
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the
community
coordinator
and
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those
cues,
the
usual
5
minute
speaking
limit
will
apply.
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are
also
reminded
to
submit
any
motions,
visual
supports
or
declarations
of
interest
in
writing
to
the
coordinator
at
the
earliest
convenience.
Please.
Although
the
deadlines
have
passed
for
residents
to
register,
to
speak
to
this
committee,
residents
may
still
make
written
submissions
prior
to
council
on
april
28th.
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Ottawa
is
built
on
unseated
algonquin
territory.
The
peoples
of
the
algonquin
and
nation
have
lived
on
this
territory
for
millennia,
their
culture
and
presence
have
nurtured
and
continue
to
nurture
this
land,
the
city
of
ottawa,
honors,
the
people
and
the
land
of
the
algonquin
nation,
the
city
of
ottawa,
honors,
all
first
nations,
inui
metsi
peoples
and
their
valuable
past
and
present
contributions
to
this
land.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
today.
We
only
have
one
item
on
the
agenda.
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The
report
that
we
will
hear
today
is
about
building
the
city's
capacity
to
provide
ongoing
housing
benefits
and
giving
people
the
stability
that
they
need
to
secure
and
maintain
permanent,
affordable
housing.
In
the
long
term,
staff
will
walk
us
through
a
presentation
outlining
the
current
status
of
our
housing
benefit
programs
and
identify
some
recommended
changes
that
will
allow
us
to
support
both
existing
benefit
recipients
and
expected
growth.
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C
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A
F
D
Thank
you
very
much
donna
for
that,
and-
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
this
morning
to
to
bring
forward
this
report,
particularly
as
it's.
The
only
agenda
item,
so
very
much
appreciate
the
time
that
people
are
taking
so
this
report,
if,
if
we
want
to
just
move
to
the
next
slide,
is
about,
as
donna
had
indicated,
it's
about
our
our
housing
and
homelessness,
investment
plan,
housing
benefits
and
certainly
our
current
and
future
trends.
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The
housing
benefits
are
provided
either
as
a
rent,
subsidy
payment
directly
to
the
landlord
or
as
a
portable
housing
allowance
directly
to
the
household
and
I'll
talk
quite
a
bit
more
about
that.
Throughout
the
presentation,
housing
benefit
programs
are
in
a
period
of
transition,
as
identified
within
the
report.
We
have
three
programs
that
are
actually
sun
setting
over
the
next
between
july
of
this
year
and
october
of
next
year
and
as
well.
We
we
certainly
are
at
maximum
capacity
for
our
programs,
we're
so
appreciative
of
being
able
to
move
forward.
D
Today,
we
are
actually
at
a
critical
juncture
as
of
april
like
right
now,
all
of
our
housing
programs
are
at
maximum
capacity,
which
is
why
moving
in
order
to
be
able
to.
We
can
continue
to
support
the
households
that
are
receiving
benefits.
But
if
we
want
to
continue
with
the
current
growth
that
the
programs
that
we
identify
need
to
occur
over
this
year
and
moving
forward,
we
really
do
need
the
approval
to
be
able
to
reallocate
funds
and
and
access
some
temporary
provincial
funds
from
the
province
to
continue
supporting
those
programs.
D
So
it
really
is
critical
as
of
literally
today
to
be
able
to
do
that.
So
again,
the
report
is
about
continuing
to
build
our
capacity
and
provide
monthly
housing
benefits
that
support
people
moving
into
and
maintaining
permanent,
affordable
housing
in
the
long
term.
So
just
a
quick
sort
of
summary
to
remind
people
about
social
housing
now
known
as
community
housing,
we
have
a
very
large
annual
municipal
budget,
as
as
was
previous
indicated
that
recently
there
was
reports
that
went
forward
to
committee
and
council.
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and
within
those
reports,
they
clearly
identified
the
need
to
continue
to
support
and
grow
our
housing
benefit
programs,
but
it
also
provided
a
larger
context
of
of
our
our
actual
bigger
programs,
so
social
housing
or
community
housing,
as
it's
known
today,
has
a
large
budget
is
108
million
dollars
of
which
the
municipality
directly
funds,
85
million.
So
that's
roughly
about
79
80
percent
of
that
budget,
within
that
108
million
dollar
budget
are
our
housing
benefits,
which
are
our
rent
supplements
and
our
portable
housing
benefits,
and
the
budget
for
that
is
34.5
million.
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So
within
108
34.5
are
really
what
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
today
and
those
are
for
portable
housing
benefits
and
rent
supplements
for
households
that
are
living
out
in
the
community,
so
that
they're
living
in
market
units
market
rent
units,
either
with
a
private
landlord
or
in
a
market
unit
within
a
community
housing
provider.
So
it's
not
part
of
the
sixteen
thousand
five
hundred
and
two
purpose-built
rgi
units
that
are
part
of
the
hundred
and
eight
so
just
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
context
there.
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So
we'll
be
focusing
on
those
we're
going
to
cover
the
portable
rent
supplement
programs
that
are
out
in
the
community.
So
that's
a
context
piece
there
and
just
again
for
another
piece
of
context
in
terms
of
some
statistics.
Wait
list
it's
all,
because
it
very
much
feeds
into
what
we'll
be
talking
about
today.
As
of
the
end
of
last
year,
so
the
end
of
december
2020,
there
was
approximately
12
571
households
on
the
wait
list
over
the
2020
period.
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So
from
january
1st
to
december
31st
of
2020,
there
were
only
1073
households
housed
off
the
wait
list
into
permanent
rgi
housing
and
to
remind
again
you
first,
we
have
to
because
it's
a
fixed
asset
in
rgi
housing.
You
first
have
to
have
a
household
move
out
of
an
rgi
unit
to
be
able
to
provide
the
opportunity
for
someone
off
the
wait
list
to
move
in.
So
that's
a
really
static,
fixed
asset.
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The
housing
benefit
program
is
really
where
the
growth
area
is
because
these
are
moving
out
into
the
community,
obtaining
market
rent
units
for
people
moving
into
market
rent
units
in
the
community
and
having
that
financial
benefit
to
support
them.
So
it
really
is.
This
is
the
growth
area?
What
we'll
be
talking
about
today,
where
the
other
is
very
static
and
the
number
of
units
turning
over
within
the
traditional
rgi
is
decreasing
every
single
year
people
are
just
staying
longer
and
longer
in
their
rgi
units.
D
So
that's
just
a
bit
of
a
context
piece
for
you,
so
thank
you.
So
next
slide,
please,
okay.
So
the
purpose
of
the
report
today
again
is
as
we've
described.
It
really
is
number
one.
It
is
it's
moving
forward
from
the
long
range
financial
plan
and
the
2021
20
20
22
work
plan
for
the
10
year
plan
refresh.
This
is
actually
item
number
or
action
number
16
within
the
work
plan.
D
So
it's
it's
directly
tied
to
our
our
2021-2020
two
work
plan
and
the
purpose
of
of
that
action
was
to
review
our
current
municipal
housing
benefit
programs,
whether
or
not
they
continue
to
be
effective.
The
best
use
of
them
in
terms
of
what
the
benefit
is
looking
at
the
current
and
future
need
of
these
portable
and
and
in
the
community
housing
benefits,
and
what
are
some
of
the
strategies,
mitigating
strategies,
to
offset
increased
costs
to
maintain
these
households
and
to
continue
growth.
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D
D
What
we
are
recommending
today
is
moving
forward,
modernizing
that
portable
housing
benefit
to
reflect
what
we've
been
experiencing
in
the
last
few
years,
with
our
new
provincial
portable
housing
benefit
models
and
the
great
success
we've
had
with
those.
So
this
chart
here
today
really
is
just
highlighting.
What's
what
is
the
same
and
what
we're
recommending
for
moving
forward?
So
both
the
current
formula
that
we
have
and
the
new
framework
that
we're
recommending
both
continue
to
support
housing
needs
of
low-income
residents
of
ottawa,
no
change
the
monthly
benefit
will
be
again.
It's
portable.
D
That
is
a
huge
advantage
compared
to
rgi
housing,
our
traditional
rgi
housing
within
our
social
housing
portfolio
or
our
rent
supplements,
because
it's
tied
to
the
unit
those
are
tied
to
the
unit.
So
if
the
household
said
needed
to
move
to
another
part
of
the
city
for
work
or
for
a
community
or
for
family,
they
would
not
be
able
to
to
move
that
rent
supplement
or
the
rgi
unit
with
them.
D
So
the
first
thing,
the
flag
that
is
we're
recommending
to
change,
which
mirrors
the
new
provincial
model,
is
how
the
benefit
itself
is
calculated.
So,
under
the
current
framework,
it's
a
it's.
A
it's
household
based
household
size
based
it's
a
flat,
tiered
benefit
and
the
larger
the
family,
the
bigger
the
benefit.
D
So
the
premise
of
it
is
the
first
adult
in
the
family:
it's
a
200,
then
this
is
again
monthly.
So
two
hundred
and
fifty
dollars,
each
additional
member
in
the
household
receives
fifty
dollars.
So
again,
so
if
there's
two
in
the
household,
that's
a
three
hundred
dollar
benefit
per
month.
There's
four
in
the
household,
then
it
goes
to
350..
So
it's
very,
very
structured.
D
D
On
average,
our
households
that
fall
into
the
category
of
ow
or
odsp
fluctuates
a
little
bit,
but
it
usually
represents
about
40
to
45
percent
of
the
total
households
that
we
provide
benefits
to
through
either
social
housing
or
through
our
housing
benefits.
So
it's
a
standard
number
so
just
to
help
provide
that
context.
When
we're
looking
at
the
models,
a
significant
number
of
households
that
will
be
accessing
this,
these
housing
benefits
would
fall
into
the
ow
odsp
about
50,
but
we're
not
too
far
off
that.
D
So
that's
a
primary
thing.
That's
changing
that!
We're
recommending
to
change
how
that's
calculated
what's
staying
the
same,
both
programs
are
just
once
a
year,
there's
an
annual
review
and
it's
always
based
on
your
income
tax
return.
So
nothing
about
that's
changing,
so
there's
no
fluctuations
in
here
and
having
to
provide
documents
during
the
year.
Something
changes
in
your
household
once
a
year
very
efficient,
nothing's
changing
the
last
piece
that
is
changing
and
again
is
we
we
suggest
is
a
very.
It
was
proven
to
be
very
effective.
D
Our
current
framework
there's
no
first
or
last
month's
rent,
it's
strictly
a
monthly
benefit,
the
250
or
300
400,
whatever
the
size.
Your
household
is
there's
no
first
and
last
month's
round
under
the
new
model,
first
and
last
month's
rent
up
to
the
cost
of
the
average
market
rent.
So
not
just
the
subsidy
component,
but
up
to
the
full
cost
of
the
average
market.
Rent
for
that
unit
is
covered
under
the
program
and
you
when
we
walk
through
this
you'll,
see
why
that's
so
critical.
D
It
is
one
of
the
key
success
factors
to
assisting
people
within
our
emergency
shelter
system,
acquire
housing,
affordable,
housing
within
the
private
sector,
because
private
sector
landlords
require
first
and
last
month's
rent.
It's
the
security
they
need
to
to
for
households
to
secure
that
unit.
So
it's
a
it
has
been
a
game
changer
we
have
found
with
the
portable
housing
benefits
under
the
provincial
program.
D
I
just
also
want
to
remind
everyone
that
currently-
and
for
the
last
several
years,
our
portable
housing
benefits
are
exclusively
exclusively
targeted
to
residents
that
are
living
within
our
emergency,
shelter
facilities,
we'd
love
to
be
able
to
offer
to
a
much
larger
population.
But
you
know
these
are
expensive
programs
and,
based
on
the
funding
that
we
currently
have
associated
with
the
programs
we
have.
D
The
program
guidelines
are
very
specifically
targeted
to
support
households
at
either
in
our
one
of
our
our
family,
emergency
shelters
or
in
one
of
our
community
based
community
shelter
facilities
that
provide
that
type
of
services.
So
that's
just
the
context
piece.
Typically,
this
would
not
be
for
someone
who's
just
who
is
housed
and
waiting
on
the
wait
list
for
affordable
housing.
D
So
it
provides
that
opportunity
for
the
household
if
they're
going
to
get
a
similar
benefit,
there's
no
longer
a
incentive
for
them
to
say
staying
within
the
emergency
shelter
system
waiting
for
that
one
rgi
unit,
that's
going
to
come
up
in
six
years,
so
that's
just
another.
We've
been
consciously
trying
to
create
as
much
similarity
between
all
of
our
housing
subsidy
programs
as
possible
for
that
purpose
and
for
simplification.
So
that's
just
one
last
little
piece
that
to
tie
it
back
together.
Okay,
so
thank
you
so
next
slide,
please.
D
So
here's
we're
going
to
dive
into
some
of
these
examples,
then.
So
under
the
new
model,
as
I
was
saying,
the
the
number
one
thing
that
no
matter
who
you
are
is
the
program
is
tied
to
the
average
market
brand
and
I
know
another.
Certainly
there's
been
some
conversation
about
that
with
at
committee
and
council
with
some
of
these
previous
reports,
that's
established
by
the
province
and
it's
based
on
the
cmhc
reports
that
are
published.
D
So
what
you
see
on
the
on
the
presentation
on
the
left
hand,
side
these
are
the
prescribed
average
market
rents
that
are
used
for
housing
benefit
programs.
So
it's
going
to
be
whether
it's
a
municipal
or
a
provincial,
and
these
are
in
place
from
july
1st
to
june
30th.
That's
the
other
unique
feature
about
housing
benefit
programs.
They
all
run
july
to
june
all
of
them,
because
they're
tied
to
the
income
tax
benefit
and
allowing
people
to
file
their
taxes,
get
their
returns,
get
their
assessments,
and
then
you
go
for
the
following
year.
D
So
it
was
a
deliberate
choice
years
ago
made
by
the
province
to
run
it
using
that
time
frame
and
that's
why
so,
irrespective
of
who
you
are
the
program
guidelines
set
we're
going
to
call
it
the
ceiling
for
the
benefit?
Is
these
average
market
rent
levels
so
for
a
one
bedroom?
It's
thousand
two
hundred
forty
three
for
a
two
bedroom.
It's
one
thousand
five
hundred
nineteen
for
a
three
bedroom.
It's
sixteen
hundred
and
fifty
five.
D
So
that's
the
same,
whether
you're
an
income
earning
person
or
ontario
works
in
ow
and
odsp
under
this
model,
if
you
are
an
odsp
or
ow
recipient,
the
benefit
will
is
very
generous
in
the
sense
that
it
builds
on
the
maximum
shelter
benefit
that
you're
getting
under
your
program.
So
that's
determined
by
ow
odsp
is
flat
rate.
D
D
If
that
unit
that
they
are
going
to
be
residing
in
is
at
or
below
average
market
rent
their
rent
is
fully
paid
for
which
makes
it
very
affordable
for
them.
This
is
comparable.
This
is
exactly
comparable
to
rgi.
There
is
no
difference.
Your
rent
is
basically
paid
for,
which
is,
which
is
a
critical
feature
of
that.
D
D
D
D
So
what
that
would
look
like
for
a
household
of
this
size
is
your
monthly
benefit
with
the
with
that
income
and
with
that
market
rent,
your
monthly
benefit
is
786
dollars.
Here's
the
context
piece!
So
down
below
you
can
see
if
they
were
in
the
current,
with
the
current
framework
that
we
have,
that
benefit
would
instead
be
400,
so
you
can
see
the
difference
here,
it's
substantive!
D
D
Much
more,
it
provides
a
much
greater
opportunity
for
long-term
success
in
terms
of
sustaining
that
affordable
housing,
affordability
for
their
unit,
so
there's
a
contact
piece.
So
if
you
don't
mind
moving
to
the
next
slide,
then
we
can
look
at.
This
is
another
example,
and
this
is
example,
is
for
a
single.
It
could
be
a
singular
couple.
D
How
does
that
align,
particularly
when
we,
you
know
we're
hearing,
and
we
do
know
that
that
we
do
have
households
within
the
emergency
shelter
systems
that
are
waiting
they're
waiting
for
that
rgi
unit,
thinking
that
that
will
be
a
far
more
financially
beneficial
program
for
them.
So
here's
just
some
stats
for
you
and
again,
because
we've
been
running
these
programs
now,
since
2011,
you
know,
we've
been
able
to
gather
a
lot
of
actual
stats
versus
sort
of
hearsay
about
what
our
averages
are.
D
We
know
what
they're
paying
and,
in
terms
of
these
programs,
we
don't
have
a
significant
variance
between
the
actual
rent
that
people
are
paying
in
an
rgi
unit
versus
what
they're
paying
within
the
market
rent
it.
It
varies
and
that's
that's
outlined
within
the
report
on
page
20..
I
won't
go
in
you
know
so
some
lovely
graphs
there
and
I
I
won't
go
into
details
about
it.
D
D
So
on
average
there's
about
a
200.
You
know
it's
131
to
252
dollar
variance,
but
on
average
you
know
if
we
average
it
all
out,
there's
about
a
200
difference
between
the
rent,
the
actual
rent
for
a
unit
within
an
rgi
unit
within
social
within
our
social
housing
portfolio
and
a
unit
within
the
private
sector.
So
to
help
provide
context
in
terms
of
then,
if
you
talk
about
okay,
then
what
kind
of
benefits
are
people
getting
depending
on
where
you're
living
and
again
that's
outlined
in
charts
on
page
20
of
the
report
as
well?
D
D
They
do
receive
first
and
last
month's
rent,
so
for
context
for
a
single
person
moving
into
a
one
bedroom
unit,
the
average
first
and
last
month's
rent
they've
received
is
one
thousand
seven
hundred
and
thirty
four,
so
substantial
benefit
for
our
family.
The
average
first
and
last
month's
rent
that
we've
been
providing
to
households
is
two
thousand
five
hundred
dollars.
D
So
that's
that
is
again
that
benefit
they're
getting
to
be
able
to
to
secure
that
unit
and
it's
a
substantial
benefit.
Then
we
talk
about
the
monthly
benefit.
For
you
know
the
difference.
The
variance
is
quite
small
for
those
that
are
newly
going
into
our
housing
benefit
programs
within
the
we're
going
to
call
it
within
the
current
rental
market,
the
variance
between
what
we're
paying
as
a
housing
benefit
to
those
households
versus
rents.
D
D
So
you
can
see
how
the
depth
of
affordability
is
significantly
greater
under
this
new
model
and
it
very
very
closely
resembles
what
you
would
receive
if
you
were
in
traditional
rgi
housing
or
traditional
rent
supplement
unit,
so
we're
really
getting
close
to
a
level
playing
field.
So
that's
just
a
little
bit
of
context
for
you
that,
hopefully
that
may
be
a
bit
helpful.
Okay,
so
next
slide,
please
so
now
we're
going
to
move
into.
D
So
that's
what
we're
recommending
in
terms
of
we're
going
to
call
it
modernizing
and
updating
our
municipal
housing
benefit
to
match
what
we're
offering
that's
being
offered
to
the
province
and
again
it
has
been
exceptionally
successful
in
in
assisting
households,
acquire
housing
from
the
private
sector.
So
now
we're
moving
on
to
what's
our
current
need
and
what
is
our
future
need
so,
as
outlined
in
the
report,
we
currently
are
assisting
4738
households
with
either
a
rent
supplement
out
in
the
private
sector
or
portable
housing
benefit
in
the
private
sector.
D
D
We
also
year
over
year,
have
had
a
fair
bit
of
growth
in
our
programs
as
well
and
under
that
growth
we
certainly
on
an
average
and
again
that
was
outlined
in
the
10-year
plan
report
and
is
in
the
long-range
financial
plan.
You
know
we
are.
We
run
anywhere
between
300
and
500
units,
new
new
benefits
per
year,
and
last
year
was
a
substantive
year.
Last
year
we
were
output
over
and
so
for
context.
In
2019
we
provided
375
new
housing
benefits
in
2020.
We
were
up
to
592..
D
D
D
It's
the
opposite
with
the
portable
housing
allowances
that
are
tied
to
the
household,
that
is
the
growth,
and
that
is
exponentially
increasing
okay.
So
this
is
what
we're
looking
at
in
terms
of
the
current.
You
know,
statistics
right
now
we're
looking
at
about
a
10
growth
in
housing
allowance
programs
per
year.
D
Okay,
so
thank
you
so
next
slide,
please.
What
does
that
mean
in
terms
of
cost
then?
So
this
is
where
the
report
sort
of
divides
and
conquers,
because
we're
going
to
talk
separately
about
the
programs
under
hhip,
which
are
municipally
funded
programs
and
then
we'll
talk
about
the
home
for
good,
which
is
a
provincial
program.
That's
provincially
funded!
So
that's
where
our
strategies
and
mitigation
strategies
are
going
to
be
distinct,
but,
as
you
can
see,
based
on
the
growth
projections
from
the
previous
slide,
so
that
would
be
12
households
per
month.
D
D
So
this
slide
and
the
report
talks
about.
How
are
we
going
to
pay
for
this?
What
mitigation
strategies
do
we
have
to
fund
these
programs?
So
the
first
one
we'll
talk
about
is
the
that
the
municipal
program
under
the
housing
and
homelessness
investment
plan,
so
that's
the
one
that
we
have
targeted
for
the
families.
D
D
When
we
look
at
our
hhep
program
within
social
housing,
we
have
three
elements:
we
have
rent,
supplement,
housing
allowance
and
capital
repair,
and
that's
why
you
see
them
sort
of
all
tied
together
here.
The
budget
in
2021
is
8.24
million
grows
ever
so
slightly
in
2022,
it's
8.41
and
in
2023
it's
8.53.
It
increases
by
2
each
year.
D
So
what
we
are
recommending
as
a
mitigation
strategy
to
be
able
to
to
do
three
things
maintain
the
households
that
are
already
in
the
program.
Our
municipal
program
absorb
three
programs
that
are
expiring
between
july
of
this
year
and
october
of
next
year,
which
has
an
annual
cost
of
2.2
million,
but
that
will
be
spread
out
over
these
first
few
years,
as
well
as
support
that
growth
that
we've
been
talking
about.
How
can
we
actually
do
that?
D
So
what
we
are
recommending,
first
and
foremost,
is
look
within
the
housing
and
homelessness
investment
plan,
as
it
exists,
are
there
areas
where
the
funds
aren't
being
fully
allocated
that
we
could
reallocate
them
to
the
housing
benefit
program
at
no
additional
cost
to
the
city?
So
that's
our
first
recommendation,
so
envelope
five
is
supports
to
housing
within
the
hhip
plan,
and
it
is
bigger
than
300
000,
but
one
element
within
the
supports
to
housing
envelope
relates
to
residential
services.
D
D
D
That
is
our
secondary
mitigation
strategy,
and
I
thought
I
would
spend
a
few
minutes
talking
about
what
our
capital
programs
look
like,
because
I
know
it's
top
of
mind
for
people
and
it's
regularly
discussed
so
in
terms
of
our
capital
programs,
they're,
always
in
great
demand.
As
we
know,
supply
for
funding
for
capital
programs
never
meets.
D
Our
current
need,
no
one's
disputing
that
when
we
go
through
and
look
at
some
of
what
these
costs
will
be,
we
do
not,
and
when
we
look
at
the
elements,
we
do
not
genuinely
believe
when
we
talk
about
some
of
the
other
programs.
The
provincial
programs
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
support
do
not
think
we
will
need
to
use
any
funds
from
the
social
housing
repair
renewal
category
in
2021.
D
We
may
or
may
not
need
it
in
2022
and
moving
forward
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that,
but
why
we
chose
that
one
and
again
it's
a
distant,
mitigating
strategy,
but
we
wanted
to
ensure
that
we
had
the
authority
if
we
needed
we
were
requesting.
The
authorities
we
needed
is
because
the
actual
social
housing
repair
funding
is
actually
increasing
over
the
years
because
of
the
provincial
government.
D
So
under
the
canada,
ontario
community
housing
initiative
every
year,
our
funding
and
that's
under
the
national
housing
strategy,
our
funds
are
going.
This
is
exponentially
increasing
and
we
actually
know
that's
the
only
area
that
we
know
that
is
guaranteed
growth
until
2028,
because
the
funds
are
tied
to
the
funds
that
are
being
removed
as
prescribed
social
housing
providers.
Their
end
of
operating
agreements
occur,
so
it's
equivalent
to
funding
to
that.
D
It's
very
predictable
and
we
know
it
will
increase
right
through
2020
2030
because
of
that
formula,
that's
already
built
in
what
does
that
mean
so
for
context.
So
in
2019
our
total
capital
repair
programs,
we
spent
6.7
million
dollars,
of
which
cochi
was
4.3
and
our
hhip
envelope
was
2.4
in
2020
that
increased
to
8.9
million,
of
which
kochi
was
5.9
and
hhip
was
3
million
in
2021.
So
this
current
year
it
is
now
increasing
to
10.4
million.
D
So
it
is,
it
is
moving
up
and
up
and
up
and
that
trend
will
continue,
and
that
is
based
on
a
few
things.
It's
with
sarcochi
funding
of
6.9,
our
hhip
funding
of
2.5
and
another
new
growth
area,
which
is
ontario
renovates
and
ontario
renovates,
and
that's
part
of
the
ontario
priority
housing
initiative
and
it's
it
was
discussed
as
part
of
the
long-range
financial
plan
and
it's
also
in
our
work
plan.
I
think
it's
item
number.
D
D
We
have
actually
implemented
that
this
year
as
part
of
we,
we
just
completed
our
expression
of
interest
for
our
2021
program.
We
have
25
million
dollars
worth
of
requests
for
capital
repairs,
of
which
2
million
are
specific
for
the
ontario
renovates
funding.
So
we
have.
We
are
allocating
1
million
of
the
ontario
renovates
funding
exclusively
to
support
accessibility,
repairs
within
social
housing.
D
D
D
You
know
the
traditional
households
in
the
private
sector,
the
low
income,
households
that
qualify
for
the
program
have
not
been
accessing
the
program
they.
You
know,
for
obviously
obvious
reasons
they
you
know,
they're
not
interested
in
having
people
come
into
their
home
during
the
pandemic,
for
repairs
or
for
inspections,
or
that
so
the
uptake
has
been
very
low
during
the
pandemic.
D
So
this
was
a
good
year
to
of
the
1.2
million
that's
allocated
for
ontario
renovates.
This
was
an
ideal
year
to
test
the
waters
for
community
housing,
because
there
is
the
demand
on
the
private
sector
side
with
residents
is
so
low
because
the
pandemic,
so
that
again
has
helped
us
support
capital,
repair
funding
for
social
housing
in
a
very
targeted
way.
D
So
that's
hopefully
provide
some
context
that
social
housing
repair
funding
is
not
decreasing.
It
is
actually
increasing
and
increasing
exponentially
over
the
next
few
years.
We
hope
we
are
never
going
to
have
to
tap
into
that.
We
do
not
believe
we
will
have
to
tap
into
that
this
year
and
we'll
talk
about
some
mitigation
strategies
moving
forward.
Okay.
D
D
100
of
it
is
expended,
and
we
have
just
entered
the
the
final
year
of
the
program
and
we
have
no
room
for
additional
growth.
This
is
a
critical,
critical
one.
So,
as
of
literally
april
1st,
the
money
that
we've
been
provided
by
the
province
can
continue
to
support
the
houses,
the
households
in
the
program,
but
we
cannot
add
one
single
household
to
the
program
based
on
the
current
funding
for
the
home
for
good
program.
D
D
So
what
we're
recommending
is
two
things.
The
first
thing
we're
recommending
is
tapping
into
the
new
social
service
relief
fund
face
refunding,
and
that
was
just
introduced
within
the
last
month
where
the
city
of
ottawa
is
receiving
21
million
dollars.
One
of
the
areas
within
that
is
related
to
rent
relief.
D
The
province
highly
encourages
service
managers
wherever
they
can
to
support
that
category
of
the
funding
to
date
with
their
previous
phases
of
surf.
We
did
not,
but
we
are
recommending.
It
is
appropriate
now
to
do
so
to
support
that
contin
using
provincial
dollars
to
support
provincial
funds.
Provincial
programs,
as
they
continue
to
grow
the
other
area
that
we're
recommending
to
utilize,
because
this
only
runs
until
december
31st,
using
the
ontario
priorities
to
sort
of
that
that
gapping,
particularly
between
january
and
march
31st.
D
So
in
both
those
cases,
we're
recommending
accessing
up
to
one
million
dollars
to
support
those
programs
and,
if
necessary,
particularly
the
ontario
housing
initiative,
to
support
our
ministry
programs
moving
forward
as
well.
If
we
need
additional
funds
for
our
municipal
program,
so
we
try
to
keep
them
separate,
no
additional
costs
to
the
city
and
really
trying
to
use
funds
where
we
could
further
from
the
province
preferential
use.
D
So
that's
in
essence
the
report
and
what
our
approach
is
and
and
how
our
recommendations
all
tied
to
that
again
that
that
last
recommendation
within
the
report
is
asking
for
the
continuation
of
the
home
for
good
program
growth
using
these
funds
to
do
it
to
support
it.
So
that's
my
presentation.
Thank
you
question.
Maybe
next
time
for
questions.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
We
do
have
two
delegations,
but
I
have
mark
down
who's
put
who's
put
their
hand
up
in
order
just
to
be
fair.
So
right
now
I
have
counselor
deans,
followed
by
councilor
dudas,
followed
by
councillor
fleury
and
then
followed
by
councillor
mckenney
following
our
delegation.
So
we'll
do
them
in
that
order.
Just
to
make
sure
that
you
know.
I
see
that
the
people
are
keen
to
ask
questions.
Our
first
allegation
is
salma.
Al-Shahabi,
miss
al-shahabi.
You
have
five
minutes.
G
A
Oh,
that
is
correct,
vice
chair
and
thank
you
for
pointing
that
out.
Selma,
if
you
just
I'll
I'll,
let
you
start
all
over
again.
That's
no
problem.
We
won't
penalize
you
for
time
vice
chair.
Do
you
mind
introducing
it
it's
just
a
technical
amendment,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
it
on
the
table
all
right.
If
mark.
B
B
I'll
read
the
relevant,
whereas,
whereas
the
following
distribution
staff
identified
an
error
on
page
22,
hhip
funding
envelope
chart
2021
project
cost
column.
Total
budget
figured
to
be
revised
from
eight
million.
Eighty
thousand
three
hundred
and
eighty
five
to
eighty
two
four
seven,
whereas
following
distribution
staff,
identify
narrow,
page
23,
hhip
funding
envelope,
chart
2023
project
cost
call
the
total
budget
figure
to
be
revised
from
8
million
for
12
000
1015
to
8
million
922
792.,
therefore
be
resolved.
D
Mr
chair,
may
I,
if
you
don't
mind,
please,
I
think,
there's
still
a
a
little
bit
of
a
problem
on
that
motion
that
where
you
saw
that
first
figure
it
is
missing
some
numbers
there
so
that
that
first
amendment
should
be
eight
thousand
eight
million
two
hundred
forty
seven
thousand
zero,
seven
three.
I
think
that
was
meant
to
be
corrected,
but
I
I
didn't.
A
Make
it
that
would
have
been
a
very
significant
change
so
yeah,
I'm
glad
that
we've
pointed
that
out.
Perhaps
what
we
can
do
is
have
the
clerk's
office
make
that
change,
and
then,
when
you
know
following
our
delegations
during
questions,
we
can
have
it
up
on
the
screen
so
that
so
that
members
of
the
committee
can
see
it
clearly,
if
we
don't
mind
we'll
make
the
changes
and
before
you
reintroduce
okay,
perfect.
A
G
Second
worries:
thank
you
very
much,
so
I,
as
I
was
saying
before
you
know
that
the
report
has
good
recommendations,
but
there
are
some
concerns
that
I
have
with
it.
So
basically,
the
report
does
very
well
job
in
identifying
the
community
needs
and
having
housing
allowances,
increased
to
better
meet
the
market,
realities
and
assist
people
who
are
at
risk
or
are
experiencing
homelessness.
It's
also
doing
a
great
job
in
identifying
the
need
that
our
mayor
should
be
seeking
further
funding
from
from
upper
tier
governments.
G
So,
if
approved
without
any
caps
on
it-
and
I
I
know
that
staff
mentioned
we're,
getting
more
funding
through
upper
tier
governments
in
the
future.
But
if
we
deplete
our
envelope-
and
we
don't
have
that
funding-
this
recommendation
can
have
serious
long-term
consequences
on
the
future
of
the
affordable
housing
stock.
We
have
and
it
could
devalue
more
than
two
billion
dollars
in
assets.
G
By
using
the
envelope
6
as
proposed,
I
see
the
city
will
be
setting
the
social
housing
providers
for
failure
and
meeting
this
requirement
of
the
new
bylaw
and
risk
the
safety
and
well-being
of
tenants
living
in
social
housing
units.
This
recommendation,
I
think
I
mean
I
I
do
understand
they
proposed
saying
there
are
other
funding
coming
coming
from
upper
two
governments.
But
if
that
fails,
you're
gonna
be
having
a
recommendation.
G
That's
not
in
line
with
council's
strategic
priorities,
including
supporting
economic
growth
and
diversification
by
protecting
housing,
quality
and
affordability,
as
well
as
supporting
thriving
communities
through
access
to
safe,
adequate
and
sorry.
I
lost
my
and
affordable
housing
and
increased
protection
for
the
quality
and
character
of
residential
neighborhoods.
G
This
report
indicates
that
no
public
consultation
was
carried
and
that
it
depended
on
comprehensive
consultations
carried
to
develop
the
housing
and
homelessness
plan.
However,
in
these
consultation
and
delegations
made
on
march
2nd
one
would
find
that
community
groups
only
stressed
the
need
to
protect
existing
housing
stock,
and
it's
even
in
fact
mentioned
on
page
11
of
the
housing
and
homelessness
plan
report
on
february
18.
2021
that
the
most
cost,
efficient
and
timely
way
to
provide
affordable
housing
is
to
maintain
the
affordable
housing
stock
that
we
have
and
ensure
it
contrib.
G
It
continues
to
be
available
and
remains
in
a
good
state
of
repair.
Considering
the
seriousness
of
the
needs
in
the
report
that
has
highlighted
the
potential
risks
of
the
solution
on
more
than
17
000
households
and
the
limited
potential
gains
from
this
proposal,
namely
you're
only
helping
about
432
households
over
three
years.
Could
we
not
do
better.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
that
during
the
question
and
answer
period
with
staff
staff
will
be
able
to
address
your
concern
regarding
envelope
six.
It
is.
It
is
my
understanding
that
there's
going
to
be
exponential
growth
in
that
envelope,
so
we'll
allow
staff
to
comment
on
that
through
through
questions
and
answers
with
staff,
but
I
mean
you
do
raise
a
very
good
point,
and
this
is
something
that
came
out
in
in
our
briefings
with
staff.
A
So
we'll
let
stick
around
please
and
we'll,
let
you
know
staff
address
that
concern
through
questions
and
answers
from
the
committee.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
do
appreciate
your
input.
Do
we
have
any
questions
for
our
witness
today?
Please
use
the
raised
hand
function
seeing
none.
Thank
you
very
much.
Please
stick
around.
G
Thank
you.
I
I
just
want
to
ask
you
if
you
do
really
need
to
use
it
at
least
have
a
cap
just
like
you're
doing
for
envelope
fiber
capping
that
expedition
have
a
cap,
at
least.
If
you
really
feel
like
you
need
to
use
that.
I
know
it
said
it.
It
will
be
used
only
if
needed,
but
you
are
giving
the
delegation
you're
delegating
the
authority,
so
this
will
never
be
seen
again
if
you
do
do
that.
So
I.
A
H
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair
iolo
supports
this
staff
report.
Iolo
has
long
advocated
a
greater
use
of
affordable
housing
benefits
by
all
three
orders
of
government,
so
have
the
federation
of
rental
housing
providers
of
ontario
and
the
canadian
federation
of
apartment
associations,
which
represent
rental
housing
providers
at
the
ontario
and
federal
governments
respectively.
H
Many
other
housing
advocates
and
anti-poverty
groups
also
support
portable
housing
benefits,
including
onfa,
the
provincial
nonprofit
housing
association,
ray
sullivan
who's,
also
well
known
to
this
committee
from
ccoc
here
in
ottawa,
the
catholic
center
for
immigrants
ottawa.
Although
I
should
say
I'm,
I'm
not
sure
they
have
an
official
policy,
but
certainly
carl
nicholson
has
said
to
me
that
he's
a
big
fan
of
portable
housing
benefits-
and
I
appreciate
that
support.
H
The
wellesley
institute
is
a
well-known,
very
progressive
organization
in
in
toronto,
and
they
have
also
come
out
very
much
in
favor
of
expanding
these
portable
housing
benefits.
So
has
the
united
way
greater
toronto
and
I
don't
think
the
united
way
ottawa
takes
a
position
on
these
issues.
I
haven't
seen
one
if
they're
in
support
great,
if
they're,
not
in
support,
I'm
going
to
want
to
talk
to
them
and
explain
how
great
these
things
are.
H
But
that
is
a
question
for
another
day.
I
am
90
or
95
in
agreement
with
the
comments
that
ms
goodfellow
has
made
today
on
behalf
of
staff
in
terms
of
the
working
of
the
current
formulas
and
how
successful
they
are-
and
I
would
point
out
also
that
they
avoid
increasing
rental
demand
on
the
margin
that
is
in
the
last
pieces
of
rent,
leaving
that
to
be
paid
pretty
much
100
by
the
families
and
the
benefit
that
that
has
for
taxpayers
is
that
you
should
not
see
rent
inflation
because
of
these
programs.
H
These
programs
come
in
and
they
help
people
with
their
income,
so
they
can
buy
better
food,
more
food,
they
can
live
a
better
life,
but
they
don't.
If
they
want
more
housing,
better
housing,
they
need
to
pay
for
it
and
so
we're.
In
fact,
I
I
would
submit
getting
the
best
of
both
worlds
by
helping
families
with
their
housing
through
helping
them
with
their
incomes,
but
not
inflating
rental
demand,
as
these
program
designs
exist.
H
H
H
Oh
my
point
was
that
one
of
the
reasons
all
of
us
as
landlord
organizations
advocate
portable
housing
benefits,
is
that
they
avoid
the
landlord
take
up
problem.
Ms
goodfellow
referred
to
the
fact
that,
given
the
hot
market,
landlords
are
less
interested
in
providing
rgi
units,
and
that's
true
and
we've
been
saying
that
for
20
years
or
maybe
25..
H
A
B
Hey
mr
chair
good
morning,
john,
thank
you
for
your
intervention
just
to
want
to
come
full
circle.
On
the
conversation
you
were
at
the
committee
a
few
a
few
months
ago,
speaking
on
head
leases,
how
do
you
see
the
cohesion
between
both
of
these
opportunities?
How
could
this
interest
more
landlord,
and
how
does
that?
H
A
partial
solution
in
terms
of
the
the
landlord
damage
fund
to
deal
with
the
damage
question,
but
it
is
not
as
strong
a
solution
as
the
city
or
an
agency
taking
a
head
lease,
so
head
leases
would
improve
that
issue.
The
city
really
does
not,
and
portable
housing
benefits
by
design
do
not
guarantee
the
rent.
They
help
the
tenant
of
the
money
to
pay
the
rent,
but
they
don't
typically
guarantee
the
payment
to
the
landlord.
H
As
ms
goodfellow
said,
the
tenant
can
direct
the
payment
of
the
rent
to
the
landlord,
so
that
could
be
very
helpful,
but
under
the
current
law
and
arrangements
at
any
time,
the
tenant
can
stop
that
direction.
So
the
landlord
may
end
up
not
being
able
to
collect
the
rent,
and
that's
particularly
a
problem.
H
Now,
because
of
the
backlog
that
the
landlord
and
tenant
board
landlords
are
now
waiting
still
waiting,
four
five
six
months
for
a
hearing
and
then
they
may
wait
another
month
for
an
order
and
then,
depending
on
whether
there
is
a
moratorium
on
evictions
at
the
time
they
get
that
order.
They
may
wait
months
and
months
again
to
have
a
tenant
evicted
and
during
all
that
time,
which
could
easily
be
9
months
or
12
months,
I've
heard
of
15
months
through
the
pandemic.
The
landlord
may
not
be
getting
a
dime
in
rent.
H
The
tenant
is
getting
the
housing,
but
the
landlord
may
not
be
getting
a
dime
in
rent
and
so
head
leases
get
around
that
problem
because
they
make
sure
that
the
rent
for
the
unit
will
be
paid
either
by
the
city
or
the
agency.
Whoever
holds
the
head
lease
so
certainly
there
there
is
room
for
the
these
programs
are
great.
There
is
room
for
head
leases.
They
would
really
help,
especially
in
this
unfortunate
situation,
which
flows
from
the
province's
problems,
issues,
deficiencies
in
in
in
funding
and
staffing
the
the
landlord
and
tenant
board.
A
You
very
much
any
further
questions
for
our
witness,
seeing
none.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
dicky
appreciate
your
contribution
today.
So
we'll
now
move
on
to
questions
to
staff.
I
do
have
four
members
on
on
the
list
that
had
chimed
in
a
little
bit
earlier,
so
we'll
go
in
the
following
order:
counselor
deans
counselor,
dudas,
councillor,
fleury
and
then
councillor
mckenny.
So
to
start,
please
counselor
deans
go
ahead
with
your
questions.
Thank.
E
E
We
have
to
take
money
from
envelopes
where
I
don't
think
we
should
be
taking
money.
So
I
mean
that's
the
problem
that
I
have,
and
I
know
this
is
a
zero-sum
proposition
for
you,
where,
where
council
has
said,
we're
not
putting
any
more
money
into
this.
So
if
we
want
to
move
forward
with
these
initiatives,
we
have
to
do
things
like
rob
the
housing,
repair
and
renewal
envelope,
and
I
agree
very
much
with
the
delegation
that
spoke
earlier.
E
E
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
thank
you
for
the
questions
and
I'll
sort
of
tackle
them
one
at
a
time.
So
what?
First
of
all
my
reference
to
low
uptake
that
was
with
regards
to
ontario
renovates
and
the
ontario
renovates
program,
isn't
up
until
this
point
hasn't
been
targeted
for
social
housing
or
community
housing.
It
was
for
private,
la
private
homeowners
and
private
renters
in
the
marketplace
that
were
low-income
and
had
a
certain
threshold.
It
was
in
that
context,
so
it
wasn't
specific
to
social
housing.
D
So
it's
in
that
privates,
you
know
with
in
people
with
disabilities
and
seniors
are
targeted
for
that
that
funding
program.
So
obviously
there's
some
con
concern,
but
they
don't,
like
all
of
us,
aren't
really
particularly
keen
in
having
you
know
people
in
our
homes
at
this
time
during
the
pandemic.
It
was
just
in
that
context
that
part
of
the
program
with
regards
to
the
capital
report.
That's
another
item
on
our
work
plan.
So
we
are
moving
forward
and
we
are
bringing
a
capital
needs
report.
D
We
deliberately
did
not
include
it
in
the
long
range
financial
plan,
because
it's
so
complex
and
and
requires
its
own
little
space
to
have
that
conversation,
so
it
is
on
our
work
plan.
We
have
just
completed
a
massive
building,
condition
assessment
energy
audit
program
with
our
housing
providers
and
we're
finalizing
an
update
to
our
asset
planner
software
tool,
which
will
provide
all
of
that
inform
that
information
for
our
capital
needs
report.
D
So
it
is
expected
it
will
be
either
late
this
year
or
very
early
next
year,
we'll
be
back
in
front
of
committee
and
council
talking
about
what
those
those
needs
are
those
those
current
and
future
capital
needs
are
for
our
community
housing
portfolio.
So
definitely-
and
it's
I
forget-
which
item
number-
I
think
it's
not
number-
it's
number
nine
on
our
work
plan,
so
we
will
be
definitely
seeing
a
very
robust
report.
I
D
D
D
The
only
the
only
funding
is
not
just
through
one-time
capital
programs
that
social
housing
providers
get
capital
repair
funding,
it's
part
of
their
actual
funding
model.
So
when
we
talk
about
that
108
million
dollars
that
we
we
provide
to
social
housing
providers
in
our
programs
each
year,
a
vast
majority
of
that
relates
to
a
funding
model,
that's
prescribed
in
legislation
which
includes
a
critical
component
related
to
capital
repair
funding.
D
So
housing
providers
continue
to
get
millions
of
dollars
every
year
in
capital,
repair
funding
as
part
of
their
base
budget.
So
the
hhip
funding
we're
talking
about
right
now
is
really
just
one-time
funding.
Above
and
beyond
that,
to
give
you
a
context
piece
for
that
say,
for
example,
a
housing
provider
that
has
a
five
million
dollar
subsidy
budget
with
us.
Ten
percent
of
that
is
for
capital
repair
funding
exclusively,
so
ten
percent
of
the
budget
is
exclusively
well.
D
So
the
one-time
programs
are
sort
of
what
we're
talking
about
here
today
and
tying
that
to
the
report
that
another
initiative
where,
as
they
say,
it's
near
and
dear
to
our
hearts
as
well,
which
is
why
we're
always
looking
at
new
and
innovative
ways
to
to
harness
additional
capital
repair
funding.
So
we
had
a
report.
Last
fall
late
last
fall
in
partnership
with
ottawa
community
housing
that
we
brought
forward
to
committee
and
council,
and
that
is
harnessing
that
very
money,
so
that
funding
that
we
do
provide
housing
providers.
D
In
this
case
it
was
och
for
capital
repairs.
We
harnessed
that
money
and
partnered
to
allow
ottawa
community
housing
to
apply
to
the
national
to
cmhc
and
the
co-investment
fund
to
exponentially
increase
the
amount
of
funding
available
to
them
for
capital
repairs,
the
tune
of
165
million
so
leveraging
the
the
funding
that
we
provide
them
and
using
that
funding
to
exponentially
increase
the
capital
repair
funding
available
to
them.
So
we,
you
know
this
is
part
of
those
strategies
that
we're
looking
at,
which
is
why
I
can.
D
I
completely
understand
the
concern
about
the
the
I
guess
perception
that
they
that
there
may
be
the
loss
to
capital
repair
funding.
But
I
can
absolutely
assure
you
with
100
certainty.
It
really
is
quite
the
opposite
and
we
continue
to
harness
additional
areas
to
support
exponential
access
to
capital,
repair
peer
prayer
dollars
for
our
community
housing
portfolio.
D
D
Under
the
hhip
capital
repairs
that
is
exclusively
for
social
housing
providers,
so
yeah
I
mean
the
the
amounts
typically
ran
around.
You
know,
as
I
say
we
in
2019
it
was
2.4
million
and
change
in
2020
it
was
3
million,
and
this
year
you
know
we're
targeting
2.5
million.
So
you
know
it
it's
part
of
that
funding
envelope
and
within
the
hhip
that
is
exclusively
for
social
housing
providers.
When
we
were
talking
about
the
ontario
renovates
under
the
ontario
priorities
initiative,
that's
the
one:
that's
open
to
private
sector,
okay,.
A
F
So
really
what
this
report
is
trying
to
do
is
look
at
those
other
areas
that
now
are
funded
by
other
levels
of
government
and
saying
to
council.
You
don't
need
now
to
step
in
and
fund
that
piece.
We
need
to
redirect
that
money
to
continue
to
sustain
housing
benefits,
because
that
has
been
a
priority
of
council
and
that's
a
priority
of
the
housing
and
homelessness
plan.
E
The
delegation
had
suggested
that
council
at
least
put
a
cap
on
how
much
money
you
could
draw
from
that
fund
and
seemed
like
a
good
idea
to
me,
because
we
haven't
seen
the
building
assessment
conditions
assessment
report.
Yet
and
it's
worrisome
to
me,
I
know
how
many
complaints
I
get
my
own
word,
but
the
state
of
our
housing
stock
and
you
know
robbing
this
envelope.
I
I
get
that
the
province
is
putting
money
in
in
their
repair
funding,
but
I
still
worry
that
with
the
provincial
government.
E
F
Yeah,
I
think
absolutely
mr
chair-
we
we
would
be
happy,
I
think
the
intent
is
staff
are
not
intending
to
use
that.
That
is
not
an
intent.
But
it's
to
give
you
confidence
that,
should
there
be
exponential
growth
in
this
envelope
that
we're
not
anticipating
that
we
have
a
funding
source
to
be
able
to
use.
Should
that
actually
occur.
So
it's
really
a
mitigation.
F
Yeah,
I
think
you
know,
if
that's
the,
if
that's
the
will
of
council,
you
know
absolutely,
and
we
would
be
happy
to
do
that
yeah,
but
I
think
they're
reporting
back
or
if
you
wanted
just
to
report
back
in
advance
of
using
that
envelope
and
the
intent
and
the
amount
we
want
to
use
in
that
envelope.
We
could
do
that
as
well.
E
Okay,
I
think
that's
a
reasonable
approach
that
could
be
a
direction
then
to
report
back
prior
to
using
that,
so
that
we
understand
the
necessity.
I
think
that
yeah
addresses.
I
also
want
to
talk
about
envelope
five
to
three
hundred
thousand
annually
for
supports.
I
mean
it
really
struck
me
as
odd
listening
to
the
presentation
that
that
money
hadn't
been
used
because
to
me
supports,
is
kind
of
where
it's
at
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
need
support
in
the
community.
So
why
hasn't
that
300
000
dollars
been
allocated
annually.
A
D
D
It
had
a
very
specific
person
purpose
to
support
a
residential
services
program
and
the
the
anticipated
increase
in
in
number
of
beds
and
and
providing
those
supports
that
didn't
materialize
in
the
way
that
they
anticipated
it
would
so
that
there
are
still
funds
within
that
envelope
for
supports
for
housing
and
the
whole
housing
first
model
and
program.
That's
underway
still
sits
under
that
envelope.
D
It
really
the
funds
that
we're
talking
about
within
this
report
truly
were
very
specific
funds
again
envelope,
five
sort
of
like
what
some
of
the
envelopes
were
talking
about
here
had
more
than
one
have
more
than
one
use
within
it.
There's
different
categories
of
abuses
within
it,
and
this
was
very
targeted
to
a
very
specific
use
and
that
didn't
materialize
again.
There
was
other
funding
sources
and
programs
had
shifted
since
that
original
allocation.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
so
I
believe
that
the
direction
would
read
something
as
follows:
that
staff
report
back
to
committee
when
and
when
envelope
six
is
being
proposed
to
be
used
in
this
manner,
is
that
the
will
of
the
committee-
okay,
okay
staff,
will
take
that
direction
up
next,
we
have
counselor
dudes
for
five
minutes.
Please
go
ahead.
Counselor.
G
D
Certainly,
there's
been
a
proactive
approach
to
the
programs.
The
context
piece
here,
which
is
why
it's
a
bit
hard
to
plan
for
the
long-term
future,
is
explain.
The
national
housing
strategy
is
a
has
become
a
primary
funder
of
many
of
our
programs
and
the
way
the
national
housing
strategy
works.
It
has
three
phases
to
it.
D
The
first
phase
we're
in
the
last
year
of
the
first
phase,
so
you
know
we
know
the
fund
the
the
funding
amount
in
that
first
phase,
but
we
do
they
have
not
told
us
yet
how
much
money
we're
going
to
be
getting
in
phase
three
or
sorry
phase,
two
or
phase
three
so,
and
that
deals
with
capital
repair
that
deals
with
with
home
for
good
funding
that
deals
with
you
know:
ontario
priority
initiative.
For
you
know,
capital
build
and
ontario
renovates
with
our
housing
benefits,
so
can
ontario
housing
benefit.
D
D
So
that's
we
do
know
that
the
funds
you
know
there
is
a
long-term
agreement
that
has
been
signed
for
right
up
until
2028,
between
federal
government,
provincial
government
in
terms
of
cost
sharing,
and
then
those
programs
are
rolling
out
in
phases.
So
that's
a
gray
area.
We
there
is
a
commitment.
There's
agreement
signed
at
this
point,
we're
just
waiting
to
see
the
level
of
additional
funding
that
may
be
available.
There's
no
indication
there'll
be
any
reduced
levels
of
funding.
That
is
an
absolute
it's.
How
much
more
are
we
going
to
be
able
to
receive
so.
G
Lisa
to
your
point:
we're
not
anticipating
a
reduction,
however,
we're
seeing
a
greater
need
in
our
own
community
and
on
our
finances
in
terms
of
funding
these
programs.
So
you
know,
I
think
we
all
can
recognize
that
the
municipality
can't
go
this
alone,
nor
should
we
being
it
being
that
we
only
have
a
certain
amount
of
funding
at
our
fingertips
through
property
taxes
and
some
small
other
sources.
So
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
figure
out.
G
How
is
it
that
we
can
further
advocate
or
work
to
see
our
provincial
and
federal
partners
come
to
the
table
on
these
programs
so
that
we
don't
have
this
uncertainty?
I
think.
First
of
all,
I
think
that
this
report
is
is
meeting
the
need
as
it
stands,
and
I
think
it's
appropriate
that
we're
moving
money
into
more
into
the
areas
where
it
is
more
needed,
but
I'm
trying
to
get
a
better
understanding
as
to
what
happens
if
we
can't
access
funding
from
those
other
levels
of
government.
Where
do
we
fit
in?
G
F
So,
just
if
I
can
can
speak
to
that,
mr
chair,
I
think,
where
we're
positioned
really
well
as
a
council,
is
that
we
have
done
the
long-range
financial
plan
and
that
we
also
have
identified
the
needs
for
ottawa
and
been
clear
about
what
those
needs
are
and
been
able
to
articulate
those
needs
in
advance
of
these
strategies.
Moving
forward
in
the
past.
What
you
know
before
these
plans
came
out,
we
were
kind
of
waiting
to
see
what
ottawa
would
get
in
an
allocation.
F
This
time,
we've
been
proactive
in
identifying
here's,
what
the
municipality
needs.
Here's
the
programs
and
we've
aligned
it
to
the
specific
programs
that
each
of
the
levels
of
governments
are
funding.
So
it's
clearly
within
what
they
have
as
program
commitments
and
and
what
our
hope
and
intent
is.
Is
that,
as
these
programs
rule
out
we'll
be
able
to
assess
the
difference
between
what
the
other
levels
of
government
are
providing
us
and
the
goals
and
objectives
that
we're
trying
to
achieve?
And
that's
really
where.
Then
we
play
with
the
municipal
investment.
F
So
I
think
we
have
a
strong
advocacy
plan
and
and
campaign,
and
obviously
the
support
of
committee
and
council
in
terms
of
advocating
for
that
as
we
move
forward
and
then
it's
to
see
where
the
government
is
responding
and
hoping
that
that
money
comes
both
in
the
budget
and
the
announcements
of
the
next
phases
of
these
programs,
which
we
believe
we're
well
positioned
for.
Okay,.
G
Well,
thank
you
and
and
thanks
to
staff.
In
regards
to
getting
into
that
position,
I
look
forward
to
hearing
what
the
federal
and
provincial
levels
are
willing
to
support
us
on,
but
I
do
think
that
we
should
be
and,
as
you
said,
we
are,
but
we
should
be
prepared
to
understand
what
the
impact
would
be
if
they
cannot
fully
fund
us
to
the
extent
of
what
our
demands
are.
So
thank
you
very
much
chair.
A
B
It's
a
sunny
day
out
here
just
wanted
to
build
on
to
councillor
dudas's
question.
You
know
it's
best
for
lisa
ardana,
but
the
the
growth
that
we
asked.
So
I
understand
that
and
I
appreciate
the
conversation
we
had
around.
Okay,
there's
4738
beneficiary
of
these
programs,
and
we,
our
understanding,
is,
although
some
are
earmarked,
we're
believing
that
new
announcements
will
secure
the
same
amount.
B
But
then,
parallel
to
that,
we
have
the
pressures
that
we
face
today,
and
your
presentation
was
quite
clear
on
that
around
the
444
additional
grouping
that
we're
looking
for
I'm
unclear
as
to
you
know,
donna
just
made
the
point
saying
we
want
to
be
clear
as
to
what
our
ask
is.
So
are
we
taking
the
the
the
earmarked
programs
or
the
the
numbers
that
are
are
up
for
renewal
and
sending
those
into
the
province
and
saying?
B
D
D
We
can
be
articulating
forward
to
the
other
levels
of
government
and
as
either
they
include
you
know,
increase
inflation
factors
and
attrition
factors,
so
we're
very,
very,
very
comfortable
with
the
numbers
that
we're
presenting
forward
and
we
we
can
literally
slice
and
dice
it
any
way
we
we
feel
is
appropriate
to
do
so
moving
forward
those
levels
of
government,
so
it
really
does
support
that.
Those
asks.
B
B
How
many
would
benefit
from
this,
like,
I
think,
that's
we're
not
showing
that
face
of
the
equation,
we're
showing
the
emergency
side,
and
it
is
urgent,
don't
get
me
wrong,
but
we're
not
showing
the
fullness
of
what
a
full
rents
up
rent
allowance
could
could
could
be
for
the
entire
the
entire
list.
So
can
you
maybe
speak
to
that
and
and
how?
How
would
you?
How
would
we
articulate
that,
in
a
in
an
ask
to
other
levels
of
government,
or
even
for
our
own
policy
considerations,.
D
D
D
So
that
was
part
of
of
that.
How
so
there
was
another
question
with
regards
to
how
how
would
it
benefit
households,
but
we
had
a
little
sample
of
that
under
the
canada.
Ontario
housing
benefit
program
that
we
implemented
last
year,
based
on
the
council
report
recommendations
in
the
provincial
program
requirements.
D
D
So
we
had
the
opportunity
to
to.
We
started
with
our
two
first
priority
groups:
indigenous
and
the
homeless,
category
of
women-
that
within
our
shelters
and
then
we
did
have
the
opportunity
to
expand
that
slightly
to
provide
an
opportunity
for
those
women
and
children
on
our
wait
list
with
a
longest
wait
list.
The
opportunity
to
have
access
to
the
canada
and
terry
housing
benefit
a
small
number
based
on
the
criteria
that
was
approved
by
council
and
the
province
it
it.
It
was
a.
It
was
a
high
success.
B
In
in
the
same
vein,
so
I
appreciate
you
saying
that
that
ultimately
there's
an
emergency,
then
there's
a
priority.
Those
in
that
price,
those
that
don't
have
a
priority
but
on
the
list,
could
benefit
from
the
same
program.
But
if,
if
I
were
to
stretch
it
in
a
kind
of
a
policy
discussion,
if
the
feds
were
to
come
out
with
the
basic
income
which
group
of
these
would
benefit
from
the
most,
is
it
those
that
are
in
our
shelter
and
motels?
Or
is
it
those
that
are
on
the
chronic
chronological
list
without
local
priorities?.
D
I
would
suggest
at
this
point
and
the
the
focusing
on,
which
is
what
the
the
federal
provincial
programs
have
been
of
recent
years,
ensuring
the
stability
of
moving
precariously
housed
or
homeless
families
into
permanent
housing,
providing
that
long-term
stability
and
supports
for
them.
That
certainly
has
been
the
priority
and
would
be
the
foreseeable
future
the
priority
for
those
levels
of
government
again,
the
dynamic
has
really
helped
highlight
that
right.
D
I
mean
in
terms
of
the
increased
risk
to
to
households
that
are
living
in
congregate
environments,
and
certainly
there
has
been
a
concerted
effort
to
look
at
all
opportunities
to
successfully
and
safely
move
those
households
into
permanent
housing.
Where
a
lot
of
that
risk
is
removed.
You
have
four
walls,
you
have
a
door
and
you
you're
not
sharing
living
facilities
in
a
coordinated
or
a
congregate
environment,
so
the
covet
has
really
helped
emphasize
some
of
those
concerns
within
that
congregate,
environment
and
some
of
the
the
risks
associated
with
it.
B
Okay
and
my
just
two
quick
ones,
so
we
heard
about
head
lisa's,
it's
not
a
new
conversation
at
this
committee.
If,
if
and
when
we're
reviewing
head
leases,
do
you
see
it
as
a
tool
or
do
you
see
it
as
a
separate
program
like?
Could
someone
the
structure
around
head
leases
could
benefit
from
a
rents
up
or
a
rent
allowance?
B
D
F
Sorry,
counselor,
and
just
on
that,
so
that
is
on
our
our
work
plan
to
take
a
look
at
and
and
that
you
know
we
would
contemplate
and
look
at
what
are
the
existing
programs
that
we
have
available.
And
how
would
we
do
that?
But
I
think
at
this
point
in
time
it
would
be
speculative
until
we've
actually
done
the
work
to
think
about
that.
B
B
I
did
meet
with
lisa
and
donna
and
obviously
the
intention
is
not
to
touch
that
bucket,
but
politically
we
should
be
eyes
open
that
when
councilor
mckinney
brought
the
motion
at
council
on
the
budget,
looking
at
additional
funds
for
this
program
for
our
efforts,
it
would
have
supplemented
it.
So
we
wouldn't
have
the
pockets
issue
that
we
have
today.
So
look
it.
I
think
the
majority
of
elements
that
are
presented
to
us
today
are
heading
in
the
right
direction.
B
F
A
I
think
that
the
direction
that
captures
that
as
well
so
we'll
certainly
be
made
aware
the
use,
so
the
final
wording
being
that
staff
be
directed
to
advise
cpsc
and
council
in
advance
of
using
the
social
housing
repairs
in
renewal
envelope
number
six,
including
the
amount
and
intent
for
use
of
the
fund.
So
I
think
that
that
captures
that
there
so
we'll
certainly
be
well
aware
should
this
occur.
A
I
Thank
you
thank
you,
chair,
and
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
it
for
this
report.
I
firmly
believe
that
there
are,
but
I
think
there
are
three
people
in
the
entire
city
that
understand
housing
entirely
and
probably
two
that
understand
the
funding
models
around
child
care
and
I'm
not
one
of
them.
So
what
we
have
in
front
of
us
really
has
got
to
be
printed
off
and
and
and
earmarked
and
and
kept
on
everyone's
desks
until
we
get
the
next
update.
I
I
I
support
the
recommendations
and,
and
I
and
I
support
how
they're
being
made.
I
support
the
direction,
but
I
I
I
am
very
happy
to
see
that
we
are
moving
in
a
direction
where
we
will
subsidize
people
to
the
same
degree
as
if
you
know
the
the
former
rgi
so
close
to
that
subsidy,
because
that's
what
people
need
that's
what
people
need
to
to
be
able
to
to
afford
their
housing.
I
So
so
thank
you
for
that
and
I
will
be
supporting
the
report
on
that
basis.
I
just
want
to
go
back,
though,
to
what
what
counselor
fleury
referred
to
and
the
the
wait
list,
and-
and
you
know
that,
yes,
that
a
thousand
people
on
that
are
housing.
You
know,
homeless,
priority
and
and
the
rest
really
are
households
that
are
precariously
housed,
as
you
say,
and
are
at
risk
of
falling
into
homelessness
because
they
can't
afford
their
housing.
They
live
in
adequate
housing.
I
We
you
know,
we
we
have
all
of
that
information.
It's
it's
the
right
size,
it's
in
decent
repair,
but
they
just
can't
afford
it.
So
we
don't
need
to
build
11
000
units.
For
for
that,
for
that
weightless,
what
we
need
to
do
is
is
to
be
able
to
just
subsidize
them
so
that
they
can
stay
in
there
in
their
unit.
So
I
understand
that
this
is
not.
This
is
not
addressing
that.
It's
like
again,
it's
like
catching
rain
water.
I
You
know
you
just
move
the
bucket
around
and
get
people
out
of
shelter,
but
more
of
them
fall
in
and
until
we
all
come
to
the
table
with
far
more
money,
it's
going
to
continue
and
that's
that's
not
on
staff.
That's
that's
on
us,
but
having
said
that,
I
just
wonder
because
we're
not
seeing
the
same,
you
know,
especially
since
covet
since
we're
not
seeing
the
same
numbers
around
migration
and
we're
not
you
know
we're
not
getting
as
many
new
families
coming
into
ottawa
who
are
homeless.
I
D
D
So
in
situations
where
typically
they
they
would
not
have
necessarily
been
sort
of
with
our
family
shelter
system,
we've
had
to
provide
those
additional
supports
to
them
so
that
they're
distant
right
so
there's
far
fewer
people
in
each
of
the
facilities
and
allowing
that
safety
to
be
surrounding
them.
So
it's
very
unique
times
right
now.
D
Certainly
our
statistics
have
indicated
due
to
the
migration
that
the
numbers
are
decreased
at
this
time,
but
there
have
been
other
factors
that
have
created
increased
demand
related
to
covet,
so
it,
as
you
had
very
accurately
sort
of
rain,
you're
moving
a
little
bit
and
then
it's
coming
somewhere
else.
Instead.
But
yes,.
I
We
have
to
be
relentless
in
terms
of
our
funding
in
terms
of
what
we
do
and
how
we,
how
we
just
move
those
families
out
of
shelter
and
others
I
mean
I
suggest
to
anyone
to
come
downtown.
I
went
to
get
my
vaccine
the
other
day
in
council,
flurries
ward,
because
there's
no
pharmacies
in
my
ward
that
were
providing
them,
and
I
was
I
was
shocked
at
what
I
saw
in
that
part
of
the
city,
and
it's
happening
here
in
chinatown.
I
People
are
in
dire
dire
straits
anyway,
I
digress.
I
want
to
ask
this.
I
have
one
last
question
so
that
I
just
want
to
understand
that
three
million
dollars
that
we're
putting
into
our
our
housing
benefits
will
support
the
growth
of
300
to
500
households
annually.
Is
that
correct?
That
is
correct?
Yes,
okay.
So
when,
when
we
asked
for
five
million
dollars
during
2021
budget
to
go
into
housing,
had
council
approved
that
that
five
million
dollars
would
have
supported
the
growth
then
and
I'm
not
a
mathematician.
I
I
We
could
be
supporting
the
growth
of
between
780
and
1300
households
annually,
and
I
just
you
know
I
I
need
to
I
need
to
express-
and
I
know
my
time's
up-
that
it's
it's
highly
frustrating
and
I
look
to
other
levels
of
government
all
the
time
and
they're
not
doing
their
jobs.
The
province
is
not
doing
its
job
and
the
national
housing
strategy
is
slow
and
sluggish
and
not
doing
its
job,
but
this
council
could
be
doing
better
780
to
1300.
I
I
C
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
and
it's
always
great
to
follow
councillor
mckinney
and
and
hear
her
views
on
this
as
the
liaison.
Thank
you
now.
My
first
question
are,
you
know
the
answer
to,
but
I'm
just
going
to
say
it
anyway
on
the
gender
lens,
it
sounds
like
it's
primarily
women-led
households
or
that
are
the
primary
target
here.
We've
heard
about
housing.
Being
the
primary
concern
for
on
in
our
studies
on
when
we
reach
out
to
the
community.
Is
that
the
case.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
specifically
related
to
the
canada.
Ontario
housing
benefit
you're
correct.
It
was
exclusively
for
women,
female
lead
families
and
and
and
sold
households.
Yes,
it
was
our
more
general
housing
benefits.
It
is
for
the
population
within
you,
know
our
shelter
system
and
that
access
it.
So
it
could
be
either
it
could
be
it's
anyone
it
has,
but
certainly
under
the
canada
ontario
housing
benefit
program
that
we
are
administering
on
behalf
of
the
province.
It
was
exclusively
yes,
correct.
D
C
C
Of
course,
I
realize
that
there'll
be
others
to
fill
those
spots,
unfortunately,
and
with
with
with
what's
going
on,
but
it
it's
kind
of
artificial
right
now
that
immigration,
and
so
therefore
refugees
are,
are
not
coming
in
in
the
same
numbers.
They
were
a
couple
of
years
ago.
What
are
the
forecasts
in
that
respect?.
C
H
F
C
F
Yeah,
so
we
are
right
now,
starting
to
turn
our
minds
to
obviously
the
opening
of
the
border
and
what
will
be
the
impact
again
based
on
what
we
had
been
looking
at
previously,
but
also
having
discussions
with
other
levels
of
government
ircc
and
the
ministry
of
community
and
social
services
as
children's
services
as
well
to
just
get
a
sense
of
what
they
are
projecting
in
terms
of
numbers
coming
in.
And
then
what
is
the
impact
in
the
local
community
that
that
may
have?
And
starting
now,
to
do
those
projections?
F
And
what
would
be
the
ask
that
the
municipality
would
request
of
other
levels
of
government
in
order
to
support
the
successful
integration
of
both
asylum
seekers
and
refugee
claimants
into
the
city,
so
that
we're
definitely
turning
our
attention
to
that.
Now,
with
the
anticipation
that
that,
once
we're
post
vaccinations
and
the
border
potentially
opens
what
will
be
that
impact.
C
Yeah,
I
I
think
we
all
can
see
it
just
you
know
intuitively,
and
I
appreciate
that
I'm
just
wondering
before
you
make
these
presentations
to
us.
What
kind
of
conversations
do
you
have
with
the
province?
Who
is
our
our
major
source
of
funding?
Is?
Is
that
something
that
you
know
we?
We
talk
through
them.
First,
before
you
come
to
us,
I'm
just
kind
of
picturing
it
I'm
I'm
just
learning,
so
I
just
want
to
get
an
idea
of
how
that
process
works.
F
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question,
mr
chair,
so
and
particularly
in
covid.
You
know:
we've
been
weekly.
If
not,
you
know
bi-weekly
at
different
points
in
conversations
with
the
ministry,
so
there's
a
number
of
different
tables
that
exist
so
for
each
of
the
functions.
If
we
were
to
talk
about
housing
as
a
service
system
manager,
there
are
tables
where
we
speak
regularly
with
the
ministry
directly
in
the
organization
and
then
there's
subgroups
where
those
tables
work
together
with
the
ministry
as
they're
doing
reform.
F
So
we
have
opportunities
to
provide
input,
talk
about
our
current
situation,
but
we
also
do
that
with
all
of
our
counterparts
across
the
province.
So
in
the
housing
group,
the
housing
director
and
the
housing
team
and
members
of
the
team
lisa
and
the
team
would
both
sit
on
those
tables
and
those
sub
groups.
F
D
Every
service
manager
across
the
province
is
a
little
bit
different
and
they
approach
things
a
little
bit
differently,
but
I
can
say
with
absolute
certainty:
each
are
looking
at
what
we
are.
We
are
collectively
very
strongly
advocating
for
additional
funding
for
reform
under
current,
particularly
community
housing
programs
and
rent
supplement
programs
to
really
reflect
the
current
need
and
to
reflect
the
local
context,
and
so
that
it
can
be
applied
in
an
effective
manner.
C
D
Have
to
admit
some
have
very
complex
programs,
and
some
have
very
simple
programs
and
everything
in
between,
but
consistently
different
municipalities
are
having
to
rely
on
their
own
internal
resources
to
support
as
we're
talking
about
some
of
this
growth
in
areas
of
where
there
is
growth,
and
it
we're
not
unique.
We
are
not
unique
in
that.
We
certainly
are.
Most
service
managers
are
experiencing
the
same
pressure
so
in
that
regard,
we're
all
very
similar.
C
C
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
We
we
do
have
different
lists,
so
the
list
that
we're
talking
about
today
primarily
is
a
centralized
wait
list
for
rgi
housing
and
housing
benefits
and
that's
actually
prescribed
in
legislation
under
the
housing
services
act.
So
as
a
municipality,
we
are
legally
required
to
have
that
wait
list.
So
when
we
talk
about
the
12
000
plus
units,
that
is
what
we're
talking
about
there.
There
is
additional.
There
is
coordinated
access
related
to
some
of
the
homelessness
services
and
there
is
work
underway
in
that
area
as
well.
They're,
not
the
same.
D
C
C
Do
we
have
a
centralized
one
list
that
coordinates
all
those
agencies
that
the
the
requirements
from
that
all
these
agencies
are
dealing
with
the
people
they're
dealing
with
one
list
that
we
can
look
to
and
say
this
is
this:
these
are
our
homeless
numbers
and
these
are
the
people
we
need
to
help.
I
don't
care
about
the
programs
I
want
to
know.
Do
we
have
a
list
that
all
those
agencies
feed
into
centralized
who
but-
and
so
we
can
get
an
actual
total.
D
C
So
if,
if
I
have,
if
there's
a
homeless
person
comes
to,
I
don't
know
housing
first
or
they
go
in
there,
that's
their
access
point
that
family
goes
into
this
haifa
system,
so
it
that,
if
that
family
goes
someplace
else
later,
they're
talk
they're
still
on
that
list
they
will
be
added
again.
Is
that
would
that
be
accurate.
D
The
hypha
system
is
is
very
specifically
tracking,
shelter
use
on
a
daily
on
a
daily
basis.
So
if
your
example
that
you
provided,
if
that
individual
or
family
left
the
shelter
the
next
day
or
a
week
later,
they
would
no
longer
be
captured
on
that
list.
It's
specific
to
people
who
are
actually
accessing
this
shelter
system
at
any
given
point
in
time.
Okay,.
C
D
D
That
is
part
of
our
regular,
centralized
wait
list
and
they
would
have
the
homeless
local
priority
so,
and
that
was
the
number
we
were
reflecting
with
the
1027.
So
yes,
that
we
absolutely
have
a
centralized
as
part
of
our
centralized
wait
list
to
capture
those
with
the
homeless
priority
for
rgi
housing.
Yes,
okay,.
C
D
C
So
50
of
our
newcomers
are
contribute
to
our
homeless
issue
and
I
think
it
was
counselor
mckinney
talking
about
we.
These
newcomers
are
not
coming.
So
what
has
that
resulted?
I
know
that
there
are
other
pandemic
related
pressures
that
that
that
contribute
to
to
the
our
homelessness,
but
when
50
of
our
homeless
issues
are
newcomers
and
they're
not
coming
what
has
that
done
to
our
numbers?.
D
D
No
it,
I
wasn't
sure
if
I
want
to
respond
to
that.
So
certainly
we
do.
You
know
there
are
initiatives
right
now
to
also
provide
coordinated
access
as
you're
as
you're
discussing
to
ensure
that
there's
those
first
of
all
wraparound
services
and
universal
approach
and
consistent
approach
to
assist
these
households
and
that
work
is
underway
right
now.
D
The
good
thing
about
the
hypha
system
is
it.
It
absolutely
prevents
that
duplication,
because
once
you
know
that
it's
you
know
whether
that
be
good
better.
Otherwise,
it
collects
a
lot
of
personal
information
about
the
individual,
which
does
prevent
any
any
ability
for
duplication.
So
that
is
certainly
one
very
good
aspect
of
the
haifa
system
is
that
it
does
track
individuals
and
the
ability
to
have
duplication
is
very
much
minimalized
because
of
that.
C
I'm
asking
these
questions
not
because
I
want
to
minimize
the
pro
the
the
the
problem.
I
I
think
that,
in
order
to
really
get
a
handle
on,
you
know
the
actual
extent
of
our
our
homeless
issue
and
to
direct
the
dollars
that
we
have
to
to
people
who
need
it.
The
most
is
that
we
need
everything
to
be
centralized.
C
We
need
one
access
point
for
everybody.
We
need
to
know
exactly
what
they
need
where
they
are
in
the
system.
At
what
point-
and
I
I
would
like
to
see
and,
as
you
said,
a
need-
a
need
for
coordinated
services,
so
that
you
know,
hopefully
that
we
can
dedicate
the
dollars
to
the
people
who
need
it
the
most.
This
is
not
to
minimize
the
problem.
I
you
know.
I
know
we've
got
a
homeless
problem
in
the
city,
but
it's
it's
frustrating
to
think
that
you
know.
C
We've
got
143
agencies
that
all
can
take
to
take
a
name
or
a
family
name
and
perhaps
they're
on
several
different
lists.
I
think
we
need
a
really
strong,
dedicated,
centralized
list
and
we
can
look
at
it
at
at
any
point
in
time.
Like
real
time
data
that
says
these
are
the
people
we're
trying
to
help.
Where
are
they?
I
would
like
to
see
more
coordination.
That's
what
I
would
like
to
see.
C
I
mean
other
cities
are
have
eliminated
their
homeless
problem
because
they
have,
they
have
made
it
more
efficient
to
know
who
who's
in
dire
need
of
help,
and
they
can
dedicate
those
dollars.
I
think
more
efficiently.
So
I
I
would.
I
would
propose
that
maybe
we
do
look
at
it.
Much
more
central
haifas
is
great,
but
I
think
that
here
at
the
city,
we
require
something
something
designed
specifically
for
our
problem.
So.
F
C
F
So
there
is
a
fair
degree
of
coordination
when
we
talk
about
coordinated
access,
it's
about
expanding
and
building
on
that
and
really
looking
at
addressing
some
of
the
issues
that
you
have
concerns
about.
But
there
is
already
that
centralization
and
a
fair-
and
you
know
the
really
strong
foundation
of
the
coordinated
access.
F
The
other
piece
around
that
data
is
having
that
data.
What
that
allows
us
to
do
is
to
be
able
to
report
out
on
that
data,
and
we
have
been
working
with
that
system
and
with
the
providers,
because
all
the
providers
access
into
that
system.
So
they
need
to
make
sure
that
they're
inputting
the
data
in
a
consistent
way
to
make
sure
that
the
accurate
information
that
we
have
can
be
reported
out
and
you're
you're
going
to
receive
a
progress
report
this
year.
F
That
will
start
be
the
you
know,
start
of
that
and
that
data
as
well.
We
will
be
putting
into
open
data
and
we
will
be
sharing
that
with
our
other
service
partners,
and
that
was
the
efforts
of
counselor
fleury's
motion
that
directed
us
to
have
a
regular,
ongoing
reporting
and
progress
report
that
you
will
start
to
see
that
in
open
data
that
our
community
can
use
as
well.
So
both
of
those
or
those
three
items
are
all
part
of
our
work
plan,
the
data
coordinated
access
and
the
regular
reporting.
F
C
A
A
A
B
Mr
chair,
just
on
both
the
direction
and
the
amendment
in
front
of
us,
there
are
immediate
implications
for
2021,
but
could
we
also
give
a
direction
that,
because
there
are
implications
every
year
right,
it's
like
a
10
increase
every
year
and
depending
on
what
programs
are
so?
Could
we
get
a
a
yearly
touch
point
on
what
what
we,
where
the
impacts
of
those
budgets
will
be
or
like?
I
don't
I'm
just
looking
for
how
future
years
will
be
reported
on.
I
guess.
A
B
No
more
general,
like
the
the
the
proposal
from
the
team,
is
to
have
444
or
the
10
increase
to
rent
subs
and
allowances
yearly,
and
obviously
we
have
to
support
that
with
proper
funding.
So
I
think
that
part
of
the
identification
of
the
buckets
that
were
done
today
were
for
2021
the
risk
for
2021
if
need
be,
but
there
are
yearly
implications.
So
I
just
wonder
how
that
will
be
reported
on.
E
A
A
C
A
E
A
Thank
you.
We
are
adjourned.
Thank
you.
Everyone.
The
next
meeting
of
cpsc,
is
scheduled
for
thursday
may
20th
2021
there's
also
a
joint
planning
and
cpsc
meeting
on
thursday
april
22nd
to
discuss
short-term
rentals
and
zoning.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
everyone
on
thursday
april
22nd.
I
hope
everyone
enjoys
the
rest
of
their
day.
Despite
the
rain.
I
know
that
our
gardens
and
and
grass
need
it
so
looking
forward
to
seeing
you
on
the
22nd.
Thank
you
all
very.