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From YouTube: Special Joint Meeting of PC and CPSC - April 22, 2021
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Special Joint Meeting of the PLC and the CPSC - Thursday, April 22, 2021
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas
A
B
B
Different
everyone's
from
15
minutes
ago,
20
minutes
ago,
and
welcome
to
the
first
ever
joint
meeting
of
the
planning
committee
and
the
community
and
protective
services
committee,
and
it
makes
sense
that
joint
committees,
joint
meetings
of
our
two
committees
would
be
rare.
The
terms
of
reference
for
both
of
these
committees
and
each
of
them
is
quite
different,
but
for
the
sake
of
efficiency,
chair
lulaf
and
I
agreed
it
would
be
best
for
us
to
meet
jointly
on
the
matter
before
us
today.
B
Our
agenda
is
dedicated
to
to
a
proposed
bylaw
and
related
zoning
recommendations
needed
to
set
the
rules
for
short-term
residential
rentals
in
ottawa.
A
joint
meeting
not
only
gives
staff
the
opportunity
to
explain
how
the
two
reports
relate
to
one
another.
It
also
streamlines
the
public's
submission
and
delegation
process.
B
C
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you
very
much
cheer
harder.
Otto
was
built
on
unseated
algonquin,
anishinabe
territory.
The
peoples
of
the
algonquin
anishinaabe
nation
have
lived
on
this
territory
for
millennia,
their
culture
and
presence
have
nurtured
and
continue
to
nurture
this
land.
The
city
of
ottawa,
honors,
the
peoples
and
the
land
of
the
algonquin
nation,
the
city
of
ottawa,
honors,
all
first
nations
inui
and
mitsi
people
and
their
valuable
past
and
present
contributions
to
this
land
and
now
chair
harder,
has
some
logistical
information
to
share.
B
Thank
you,
chair
lula.
The
next
thing
we
need
to
do
is
a
roll
call
for
of
all
19
members
of
the
two
committees
councillor
councillor
mian
had
center
regrets,
but
she's
here
you're
still
here
there
you
are
carolyn.
Thank
you.
I
also
remind
everyone
that
we
need
10
members
present
at
all
times
to
maintain
quorum.
So
we'll
do
the
roll
call
council,
brockington.
E
F
G
C
B
B
Following
the
presentation,
I
will
ask
the
members
of
both
committees
to
introduce
any
motions
or
directions
they
intend
to
move
today.
That
way,
other
members
and
staff
will
have
time
to
review
those
motions
and,
if
necessary,
seek
clarification
as
we
discuss
the
reports,
public
delegations
will
also
benefit
from
hearing
such
motions
before
they
are
asked
to
speak.
So,
if
you
haven't
already,
please
send
any
motions
to
our
coordinator
and
motions
at
ottawa.
B
Ca
after
motions
are
introduced,
we'll
move
directly
to
hearing
public
delegations
after
each
delegation
speaks
members
can
ask
them
questions
as
usual,
but
we
will
hold
questions
to
staff
until
all
delegations
have
finished.
You
should
also
know
that
we
will
consider
the
reports
in
tandem
throughout
the
day.
That
is
until
it's
time
to
vote.
We
need
to
record
the
vote
on
each
report's
recommendations
separately
now.
I
know
that
most
everyone
is
well
acquainted
with
zoom
meetings.
B
At
this
point,
it's
only
been
a
year
that
we've
been
using
zoom,
so
I
will
just
remind
you
to
keep
your
mics
muted
when
not
speaking
and
to
raise
your
hand
virtually
when
you
want
to
speak
for
delegations
who
are
currently
listening
from
the
virtual
lobby
awaiting
your
turn
to
speak.
You
do
not
need
to
raise
your
hand,
clerk's
office
staff.
Will
let
you
into
the
meeting
when
it's
your
turn,
and
you
will
have
five
minutes
to
speak
the
same
as
all
delegations
when
you
are
invited
in
you
will
need
to
unmute
your
own
microphone.
B
B
That,
after
each
speaker,
chair
lula
for
myself
will
announce
the
next
two
or
three
delegations
on
deck
that
will
give
those
waiting
in
the
zoom
lobby
or,
following
on
youtube,
a
cue
that
their
speaking
time
is
approaching.
I
should
also
point
out
that
we
do
have
french
and
english
language
interpreters
on
duty
for
this
meeting
at
the
bottom
of
your
zoom
window.
You
will
see
an
option
for
interpretation
and
you
can
select
which
audio
channel
you
prefer
to
use
before
we
go
any
further.
B
I
do
need
to
read
a
statement,
because
this
is
a
public
hearing
under
the
planning
act.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
zoning
bylaw
amendment
listed
as
item
one
on
today's
agenda.
For
the
item
just
mentioned,
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
local
planning
appeal
tribunal.
B
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
local
planning
appeal
tribunal.
If
council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
90
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
for
zoning
and
120
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment
to
submit
written
comments
on
these
amendments
prior
to
these
to
their
consideration
by
city
council,
which
will
be
april
28th,
please
email
or
call
the
committee
or
council
coordinator
all
right-
I
think
that's
it
for
the
housekeeping.
B
We
know
there
are
those
who
disagree
with
the
approach
council
approved
to
restrict
short-term
rentals
to
principal
residences.
Only
that
decision
was
made
after
much
deliberation
and
with
the
clear
rationale
that
such
an
approach
would
reduce
the
negative
impacts
of
investment
properties
on
housing,
availability
and
affordability.
B
B
Those
matters
are
decided
and
cannot
be
revisited
without
waiving
the
rules
of
procedure,
the
city
will
proceed
with
a
three-year
trial
based
on
the
council-approved
strategy
and
chair
lulaf,
and
I
are
advising
that
you
restrict
discussion
to
the
matters
at
hand.
That
is
the
specific
regulations
that
staff
are
recommending.
B
I
won't
get
into
more
detail
as
the
stop
presentation
will
outline
regulations
proposed
for
guests
hosts
property
managers
and
short-term
rental
platforms,
but
as
the
chair
planning
committee,
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
mention
the
related
zoning
report.
It's
a
fairly
straightforward
report
that
is
really
only
needed,
because
the
zoning
bylaw
doesn't
currently
permit
short-term
rental
of
residential
units
in
residential
zones
other
than
as
a
hotel
use.
B
I'm
sure
that
most
of
today's
discussion
will
focus
more
on
the
new
bylaw
than
on
the
zoning
piece,
but
having
the
zoning
report
considered
in
tandem
with
the
bylaw
is
a
good
reminder
of
how
important
our
zoning
bylaw
is
in
shaping
our
communities.
The
zoning
bylaw
gives
the
city
significant
control
over
changes
at
the
neighborhood
level.
It's
not
just
about
dictating
what
new
buildings
can
be
built,
but
what
uses
are
acceptable
within
existing
ones?
B
C
New
regulations
in
detail
and
creating
new
definitions
to
make
sure
the
uses
in
the
bylaw
are
all
permitted.
Looking
forward
to
your
presentations
to
give
us
a
clear
overview
of
how
the
new
bylaw
will
address
the
issues
at
hand
as
we
launch
into
this
short-term
rental
trial
period.
As
chair
harder
has
made
very
clear
today,
we
will
not
consider
the
regulations
proposed
by
staff.
Sorry,
we
will
only
consider
the
regulations
proposed
by
staff
to
implement
the
approved
short-term
rental
strategy.
C
E
C
B
A
Great
thank
you
chairs
and
good
morning
counselors
for
those
of
you
who
are
watching.
My
name
is
linda
gibbons
and
I'm
the
associate
general
manager
of
emergency
protective
services.
So
today's
special
joint
meeting
of
committee
of
community
protective
services
and
planning
committees
has
been
called
to
consider
staff's
recommendations
for
new
short-term
rental
regulations.
A
Staff
will
present
two
reports
today:
the
emergency
protective
services
department's
report
on
the
proposed
short-term
rental
bylaw
and
the
companion
report
on
the
zoning
bylaw
amendments
to
permit
the
short-term
rental
and
residential
dwelling
units
city-wide
prepared
by
planning
infrastructure
and
economic
development
together.
The
recommendations
of
these
reports
are
intended
to
deliver
the
regulations
based
on
the
regulatory
framework
approved
by
council
in
november
of
2019..
A
H
H
Firstly,
the
regulations
permit
short-term
rentals,
where
it
makes
sense
to
do
so,
while
preventing
and
mitigating
the
negative
community
impacts
that
can
result
from
unregulated,
short-term
rentals,
particularly
in
residential
areas.
Secondly,
the
regulations
protect
housing
inventory
for
long-term
residential
use
by
requiring
that
the
short-term
rentals
only
occur
in
the
host
principal
residence
in
residential
areas.
H
E
H
Concerning
the
municipal
accommodation
tax,
these
amendments
would
update
and
align
the
terminology
with
new
regulations
and
would
also
require
short-term
rental
platforms
to
collect
the
four
percent
mat
on
behalf
of
hosts
in
much
the
same
way
as
the
hotels
currently
do
to
administer,
implement
and
enforce.
The
new
regulations.
Staff
also
recommend
six
temporary
positions
for
bylaw
and
regulatory
services.
H
The
planning
report
that
planning
staff
will
speak
to
recommends
new
definitions
for
the
zoning
bylaw
to
address
short-term
rentals
and
also
includes
recommendations
for
temporary
use
permissions
to
allow
short-term
rentals
of
residential
dwellings.
I'd
like
to
turn
the
presentation
over
to
ms
atfield
from
planning
to
present
the
planning-related
amendments.
First.
I
So
we've
developed
provisions
for
various
forms
of
short-term
accommodation,
with
the
understanding
that
short-term
accommodation
is
not
a
residential
use
of
land.
It
is
a
commercial
use
of
land
and
therefore
will
be
regulated
as
such
by
short-term
accommodation.
We
mean
any
unit
that
is
rented
for
less
than
a
one-month
period.
I
H
As
reported
in
november
of
2019,
maintaining
low
costs
for
hosts
is
important
to
ensure
that
the
regulated
system
remains
affordable
and
accessible
for
the
occasional
short-term
rental
hosts.
Higher
fees
tend
to
advantage
the
dedicated,
short-term
rentals
that
take
away
from
long-term
housing
supply.
H
To
that
end,
the
recommended
bylaw
would
restrict
short-term
rentals
to
one's
own
principal
residence,
as
previously
mentioned
in
residential
zones,
both
in
the
urban
area
and
in
rural
and
rural
villages
where
housing
supply
is
a
concern.
Investment
properties
or
commercial.
Short-Term
rentals
will
continue
to
be
prohibited
in
residential
areas,
with
new
enforcement
tools
being
introduced
to
address
illicit
rentals.
E
The
recommended
rule
will
limit
the
short
term
randall
to
the
principal
residence
of
a
host
in
an
urban
residential
zone.
In
a
rural
village,
short-term
rent,
commercial
rentals
will
remain
forbidden
in
residential
zones.
There
will
be
new
implementation
tools
adopted
to
so
to
avoid
any
illicit
rental.
Also.
H
These
regulations
will
apply
to
city-wide,
with
a
few
notable
staff
have
recommended
that
short-term
rental
permits
would
not
be
issued
in
areas
where
bed-and-breakfast
use
has
already
been
prohibited
by
previous
council
decisions,
and
a
map
of
these
particular
areas
is
included
in
the
planning
report,
the
case
of
any
commercial
short-term
rentals
having
legally
established
in
zones
where
hotels
are
already
permitted.
The
proposed
regulations
would
still
require
these
owners
to
get
a
host
permit
and
follow
most
of
the
bylaws
regulations
other
than
the
principal
residence
requirement.
H
All
platforms
would
be
required
to
provide
data
to
the
city
about
their
listings,
similar
to
what
is
currently
required
for
private
transportation.
Companies
platforms
would
have
to
ensure
all
short-term
rental
listings
include
both
the
city's
permit
number,
as
well
as
the
maximum
guest
limit
established
by
the
city,
and
they
would
also
have
to
remove
non-com
listings
for
non-compliant
short-term
rentals
when
directed
to
do
so
by
bylaw
and
regulatory
services.
H
E
H
H
The
bar
law
recommends
a
maximum
overnight
occupancy
of
two
adults
per
sleeping
room
with
children
under
12,
counting
as
half
an
adult,
regular
dwellings
would
be
allowed
to
have
up
to
four
sleeping
rooms
or
eight
adults.
Oversized
dwelling
would
be
able
to
have
up
to
eight
sleeping
rooms
or
16
adults.
Maximum
all
sleeping
rooms
would
have
to
meet
existing
property
standard
requirements
at
the
time
of
application.
H
At
any
time,
the
director
of
bylaw
and
regulatory
services
would
be
able
to
reduce
permitted
number
of
overnight
guests
to
address
any
problems
occurring
with
a
particular
property
or
any
safety
concerns
by
requiring
the
permitted
number
of
overnight
guests
to
be
listed
on
all
platform
listings.
The
bylaw
aims
to
prevent
the
advertisement
of
what's
known
as
party
houses.
E
H
H
Implementation
of
the
regulations
will
be
supported
by
an
education
and
communications
campaign
on
ottawa.ca
and
in
this
throughout
the
city's
social
media,
so
that
residents
hosts
platforms
and
property
managers
are
fully
informed
about
where
short-term
rentals
can
occur,
what
the
rules
are
and
how
to
report
any
problems
or
suspected
violations
so
chairs.
This
concludes
the
staff
presentations
pleased
to
answer
your
questions
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
Merci
monsieur
president.
H
C
J
C
Okay,
if
we
can
ensure
that
that
the
joint
committee
members
are
provided
with
these,
I
think
they
may
have
already
have
been,
but
if
we
can
have
the
clerk
just
send
them
out
once
once
more
so
that
everybody
has
it
in
front
of
them.
So
this
one.
The
second
motion,
therefore
be
resolved.
The
report
be
amended
to
include
the
following
recommendation:
that
the
community
and
protective
services
committee
and
planning
committee
approve
the
consultation
details.
C
L
Great
thank
you
good
morning.
Everyone
ottawa
tourism,
supports
the
recommendations
in
the
short-term
rental
bylaw
report.
We
echo
city
staff's
view
that
there
will
be
benefits
for
our
communities,
long-term
housing
supply
for
reducing
community
nuisance,
stemming
from
unreal
unregulated
activity
and
from
leveling
the
short-term
accommodation
playing
field
from
a
tourism
perspective.
Of
course,
we
promote
ottawa's,
diverse
neighborhoods
and
the
stories
that
visitors
tell
about
their
experiences
in
those
parts
of
the
city.
L
We
also
know
today
that
visitors
are
looking
for
a
variety
of
accommodation
options
when
they
travel
and
the
recommendations
set
out
in
this
report
will
ensure
that
short-term
accommodations
can
play
a
role
in
preserving
the
identity
and
vibrancy
of
the
neighborhoods
in
which
they're
located
so
our
organization.
We
exist
to
serve
the
community
and
to
drive
economic
impact
for
the
benefit
of
local
businesses
and
residents,
and
that's
why
we
support
the
common
sense
initiatives
proposed
in
this
report.
L
These
recommendations
really
really
do
strike
that
balance
of
offering
accommodation
options
that
visitors
expect,
while
also
preserving
our
community.
The
tourism
industry's
post-pandemic
recovery
is
going
to
be
a
long
one.
As
you
know,
it's
going
to
be
measured
in
years,
not
months.
Our
recent
forecasts
indicate
that
tourism
demand
might
not
reach
2019
levels
again
until
2025.,
so
this
means
that
our
city
has
plenty
of
existing
accommodation
capacity
to
handle
the
anticipated
demand
during
this
period
during
this
pilot
program
as
well,
which
also
makes
it
exactly
the
right
time
to
move
forward
with
this.
L
So
we
agree
with
the
recommendation
as
well
that
an
increase
in
the
percentage
of
the
municipal
accommodation
tax
is
not
required
at
this
time.
We
we
do
acknowledge.
That
might
mean
slightly
less
mat
revenue
to
ottawa
tourism,
sales
and
marketing
activities
in
the
short
term
in
order
to
cover
the
enforcement
costs
for
the
city.
But
we
believe
that,
during
the
period
of
this
pilot
that
gap
will
close
and
incremental
mat
revenue
generated
by
hotels
and
regulated
operations
will
more
than
offset
the
enforcement
costs.
L
Finally,
I'll
express
our
gratitude
to
city
staff
that
have
led
this
initiative.
They've
engaged
with
our
organization
since
the
very
early
days,
considering
on
how
to
move
forward
with
short-term
rentals,
and
thank
you
today
for
hearing
from
ottawa
tourism
and
for
engaging
with
us
throughout
this
process.
Thank
you.
C
M
Let's
see,
consider
love
good
morning.
Thank
you
for
ongoing
work
for
you
and
the
sector.
I
know
you've
been
on
a
number
of
discussion
panels
and
engaged
with
your
your
members
throughout
this
period,
specifically
just
on
the
mad
tax
component,
because
that's
something
that
I
I
raised
in
in
reviewing
the
report.
Can
you
maybe
remind
us
what
was
the
matt
pre-covet
that
was
going
to
auto
tourism?
M
And
if,
if
we
remove
the
covid
buffer
with
the
impacts
of
the
short-term
rental
is,
has
that
been
kind
of
you
were
talking
about
the
potential
future
of
reviewing
the
mad
and
the
impacts
of
that?
But
what
would
be
the
impact
if
we
were
to
just
use
that
figure
the
16
million?
How
much
do
you
figure
you'd
lose
to
auto
tourism.
L
L
Yeah
I
mean,
would
we
would
we?
Rather,
there
was
a
different
way
to
have
it
to
have
the
costs
covered
sure,
but
but
that's
not
realistic
in
the
environment
that
we're
in
right
now
too,
and
it's
better
to
take
this
action
now,
so
that
when
we
so
that
we
have
the
right
regulatory
environment
as
we're
coming
into
recovery
of
our
of
our
sectors,
we're
billing
back
the
tourism
sector
and
we're
partners
in
this
right.
We're
partners
in.
M
M
C
N
N
N
It
was
very
commendable
that
the
city
took
the
necessary
time
to
draft
a
plan
that
was
fair
and
that
was
equitable
and
that
engaged
with
a
variety
of
stakeholders
to
hear
all
of
the
perspectives.
I
want
to
take
this
minute
to
thank
valerie
and
jared
and
the
rest
of
the
city
team
that
worked
on
this
file.
N
N
N
The
hardest
thing
to
report
is
about.
80
of
our
staff
have
been
laid
off
so
we're
not
alone.
I
looked
last
night
at
the
air
dna
data
and
it
shows
that
airbnb
is
currently
listing
about
1754
active,
rentals
and
they're,
primarily
in
the
byrd
market,
in
lower
town.
This
figures
down
considerably
over
pre-pandemic
times,
but
it
is
held
fairly
steady
over
the
past
year
and
and
so
that,
for
me,
would
assume
that
most
of
these
unit
units
are
likely
commercial
rentals,
where
the
host
does
not
live
on
site.
N
So,
as
we
come
out
of
the
pandemic,
short-term
rental
companies
will
be
encouraging
more
people
to
pursue
hosting
as
an
attractive
and
profitable,
profitable
business
opportunity.
You
already
see
heavy
investment
in
tv
commercials
by
airbnb
and
expedia,
promoting
travel
and
the
use
of
short-term
rentals
for
accommodation.
N
N
So
this
is
why
enacting
clear
and
concise,
short-term
rental
regulations
in
ottawa
has
never
been
more
important
and
never
been
timelier.
It
is
critical
as
we
head
towards
recovery
from
the
pandemic
and
before
tourism
returns
to
ottawa,
that
city
staff
have
the
time
to
build
out
their
teams
and
prepare
for
execution
of
these
regulations.
N
N
N
C
M
Engagement,
you've
been
obviously
at
the
table
advocating
for
the
membership
for
for
now,
a
number
of
years
and
your
your
comments
are
well
reflected,
I'm
going
to
maybe
bring
you
to
a
different
perspective
in
the
report.
One
of
your
elements
since
day
one
has
been
fairness
and
and
some
some
leveling
of
equality
in
the
process.
So
the
map
tax
appears
to
be
one
of
those
elements,
but
the
second
one,
that's
maybe
not
properly
captured
and
I'll-
have
questions
for
staff
later
relates
to
commercial
property
taxes.
M
N
Thank
you
councillor.
So,
yes,
you
know:
we've
advocated
you
know,
knowing
that
I've
got
a
natural
bias
by
us.
We've
advocated
for
fairness
right
from
the
get-go
and
you'll
often
hear
those
that
use
airbnb
when
they
travel
that
they
save
a
few
bucks.
So
our
industry,
you
know
based
on
our
regulatory
requirements,
our
licensing
requirements.
N
You
know
we
have
to
download
these
costs
to
the
guests.
So
just
just
by
its
very
nature,
hotels
are
ultimately
going
to
be
more
expensive
than
airbnbs.
So
if
you
take
property
taxes,
for
example,
you
know
from
a
commercial
perspective,
you
know
they're
they're,
substantial
they're,
fixed
costs
and
they're
particularly
hard.
At
this
time.
N
Candidly
I
was
speaking
to
ross
at
the
westin
yesterday.
His
gross
revenue
in
april
won't
even
cover
his
property
tax.
Installment.
That's
due,
and
I
know
these
are
unique
times
and
property
taxes
are
necessary
for
the
functioning
of
the
city,
but
the
big
frustration
our
industry
has
is
when,
and
people
always
default
to
the
savings
or
the
little
extra.
You
know
a
little
bit
cheaper
to
use
an
airbnb
because
of
the
you
know
the
fixed
costs
that
they
don't
have
to
spend,
including
commercial
property
taxes.
N
Why
should
somebody
operate
a
business
and
still
be
taxed
at
a
residential
level?
It
just
seems
like
it's
something
that
should
be
addressed
and
ultimately
we're
we're
talking
the
province
about
perhaps
a
hybrid,
whereby,
if
you
do
run
a
commercial
business
out
of
your
residence,
there
should
be
a
hybrid
tax
there
to
create
some
fairness
and
equity.
N
M
C
I
Good
morning,
everyone
I'm
I'm,
really
pleased
to
be
here.
This
is
a
great
day,
so
the
hintonburg
community
association
fully
supports
the
staff
recommendations
for
the
short-term
rentals
and
really
well
done.
Congratulations.
Bravo!
Any
other
word
that
fits
it's.
It's
really
fabulous
to
see
this.
It
was
a
long,
hard
process
of
meetings
and
and
stuff
to
get
to
this
place,
but
well
done,
and
it
is
a
good
time.
I
I
echo
the
previous
speaker's
comments,
it's
a
great
time
for
it
to
come
forward
before
travel
opens
up
and
the
restrictions
ease,
and
I
was
quite
shocked
in
the
report
to
see
the
number
of
rental
nights
in
2020
as
well
as
that
there's
in
the
report.
It
said
1500
listings
available
on
just
two
of
the
platforms
in
february
and
that's
a
lot
of
rental
units
that
could
permanently
house
people.
Excuse
me,
so
we
urge
you
to
move
ahead
quickly.
I
There's
just
one
concern:
we've
been
told
that
we
must
accept
lots
of
density,
and
I
appreciate
chair
harder's
comments
about
kitchissippi,
ward,
but
yeah
we're
told
people
need
a
place
to
live,
so
we
need
to
accept
that
high
density,
but
the
new
high-rise
buildings
that
have
been
built
in
this.
This
area,
all
advertise,
furnished
apartments
for
short
and
long
term
stay,
and
some
of
them
did
state
a
provision
of
a
minimum
30
day
stay,
but
others
don't
mention
those.
I
Some
of
these
are
just
in
residential
zones,
not
in
mixed
use
or
commercial
zones,
where
hotels
would
be
a
permitted
use.
So
we
hope
that
bylaw
will
monitor
these
rental
platforms
to
ensure
that
the
minimum
30-day
stay
is
being
adhered
to,
and
it's
not
just
empty
wording
in
the
ad.
That's
then
just
disregarded
and
it
becomes
really
a
short-term
rental.
I
P
Thank
you
very
much
and
colleagues,
the
hintonburg
community
association
is
facing
issues
around
airbnbs
and
and
short-term
rentals,
both
to
do
with
the
removal
of
significant
housing
stock
from
the
market,
which
is
something
that
none
of
us
want,
as
well
as
party
houses
and
their
endorsement
of
the
short-term
mental
rules
that
are
in
front
of
us
today.
I
think,
should
give
us
all
a
lot
of
comfort
that
the
issues
are
being
addressed
and
they're
being
addressed
meaningfully
so
cheryl.
Thank
you
very
much
for
for
coming
out
to
express
the
hca's
support.
P
C
F
Hello
members
of
council,
thanks
for
hearing
from
us
today,
this
very
important
matter,
first
on
behalf
of
our
community,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
council
for
its
thoughtful
leadership
during
these
difficult
times.
I
also
want
to
commend
the
city
administration
for
its
consultative
approach
on
short-term
rentals
over
the
last
few
months.
As
we
begin
to
see
hope
on
the
horizon,
and
attention
turns
to
the
future,
it's
important
to
consider
how
travel
and
tourism
can
play
a
vital
role
in
ottawa's
economic
recovery.
F
In
particular,
there
is
a
tremendous
opportunity
for
individuals
to
leverage
their
homes,
their
most
expensive
and
valuable
asset
to
earn
extra
income.
This
is
particularly
important,
as
in
2019
52
of
our
hosts
said
that
they
host,
because
it
helps
them
make
ends
meet.
Furthermore,
as
restaurants,
attractions
and
small
businesses
have
struggled
during
the
pandemic,
ottawa
council
can
take
steps
to
support
economic
recovery
for
the
community
and
for
small
businesses,
while
bolstering
government
revenues
with
small
changes
to
the
short-term
rental
framework,
with
so
many
people
and
small
businesses
suffering
during
the
pandemic.
F
This
is
not
the
time
to
consider
additional
restrictions
on
short-term
rentals.
We
encourage
ottawa
to
plan
for
its
recovery
by
delaying
the
implementation
of
this
bylaw,
at
least
until
winter
of
2022..
Our
data
shows
that
canadians
are
very
eager
to
travel
again
when
it
is
safe
to
do
so.
The
anticipated
post
pandemic
travel
is
a
significant
opportunity
for
tourism
destinations
like
ottawa
and
limiting
your
supply
of
short-term
rentals
just
before
the
reintroduction
of
travel
is
a
mistake
which
will
limit
restaurant,
small
business
and
attraction
recovery,
which
is
sorely
needed.
F
Well,
we
encourage
you
to
delay
the
implementation
of
bylaw.
We
have
some
specific
comments
on
the
report
draft
in
front
of
you
today
on
compliance.
If
this
bylaw
is
passed
like
in
toronto,
airbnb
will
work
with
city
administration
to
educate
and
engage
our
host
community
on
their
obligations
under
the
bylaw.
This
will
involve
the
creation
of
a
mandatory
license
field
where
hosts
will
have
to
enter
the
city
approved,
license
before
being
eligible
to
continue
listing
their
short-term
rental.
F
F
We've
also
discussed
the
draft
bylaw
with
city
administration
and
have
offered
to
use
our
new
city
portal
to
support
the
city
with
real-time
access
to
listings
data
and
our
compliance
tool.
Through
the
city
portal,
bylaw
officials
will
be
able
to
see
each
active
airbnb
listing
and
request
the
removal
of
non-compliant
listings
in
the
city
with
the
click
of
a
mess
on
taxes
in
ottawa.
We
are
proud
to
have
partnered
with
the
city
to
collect
the
municipal
accommodation
tact
on
behalf
tax,
on
behalf
of
our
host
community
on
a
valentari
basis.
F
We
do
have
a
number
of
specific
concerns
with
the
language
in
the
bylaw
in
toronto
and
in
most
other
jurisdictions.
Airbnb
has
agreements
to
remove
listings
within
seven
business
days,
while
working
with
other
jurisdictions
to
improve
seven
day
processing
times.
We
have
no
reason
to
believe
a
three-day
requirement
is
in
any
way
feasible,
and
I
ask
that
section.
8
be
amended
as
such,
while
we
can
commit
to
removing
listings
with
which
pose
an
immediate
health
or
safety
risk
within
24
hours.
F
Regular
data
sharing
and
the
creation
of
the
mandatory
license
field
should
significantly
reduce
the
enforcement
burden
on
the
city,
and
we
would
request
a
seven-day
notice
period
for
listing
removals.
We
also
believe
that
the
draft
bylaw
creates
unnecessary
red
tape
and
friction
for
host
registration
in
section
13..
F
The
requirement
for
landlord
consent
is
unnecessary
and
should
be
left
to
a
host.
Who
is
a
tenant
to
discuss
this
matter
with
their
landlord?
This
is
a
private
matter
and
doesn't
require
the
engagement
of
city
hall.
We
also
oppose
the
requirement
for
a
host
to
support,
apply
a
floor
plan,
as
indicated
in
the
draft
by-law.
These
kinds
of
requirements
are
unnecessary,
only
create
confusion,
confusion
and
additional
paperwork
for
hosts,
while
providing
the
city
administration
only
with
additional
work
and
no
useful
information
to
support
compliance
or
enforcement.
F
Finally,
we
asked
the
city
that
the
city
reconsider
its
restriction
of
short-term
rentals
to
primary
residences.
This
policy
will
restrict
the
parents
of
a
university
student
from
short-term,
renting
their
secondary
unit
or
basement
unit
when
their
child
is
away
at
school.
It
will
stop
those
with
a
secondary
suite
whose
parents
are
snowbirds
from
using
their
occasional
home
as
a
path
to
economic
security
and
important
income
for
those
who
are
counting
on
this
policy
to
serve
as
a
pathway
to
solving
the
city's
housing
crisis.
F
I
can
assure
you
that,
looking
to
the
regulation
of
home
sharing
to
achieve
this
objective
will
leave
you
disappointed
in
vancouver,
which
put
in
place
a
similar
primary
residence
restriction.
The
city
reported
that
2000,
short-term
rentals
were
removed
from
the
policy
from
the
city
when
the
policy
came
into
place.
Yet
the
city
saw
only
an
increase
of
300
long-term
rental
units,
while
the
data
in
toronto
was
not
readily
available.
Q
F
C
D
Thank
you,
chair
and
good
morning
to
you
and
thank
you,
mr
rottman,
for
your
presentation.
I
I'm
not
gonna,
you
know,
debate
or
argue
with
me.
There
are.
There
are
merits
to
having
short-term
rentals
there's
utility.
I
think
that's
gonna
be
acknowledged
today,
and
there
needs
to
be
ground
rules
associated
with
how
we
accommodate
this
in
our
city.
Given
that's
been
wild
west
up
to
today.
I
just
want
to
remind
you.
We
are
here
today,
because
aaron
b
airbnb
has
failed
to
address
how
their
houses
have
been
misused
over
time.
D
That's
why
we're
here-
and
you
had
a
colleague
come
to
us
over
a
year
ago,
when
we
were
considering
asking
staff
to
do
this
speaking
against
this,
and
it's
because
of
these
issues
that
airbnb
has
not
addressed
historically,
that
we
had
to
come
here
and
create
laws,
because
companies
like
yours
didn't
address
this.
So
I
think
it
was
important
for
me
to
say
that
today
certainly
welcome
your
comments,
but
we're
here,
because
your
company
has
not
been
able
to
work
with
cities
like
ottawa
to
address
these
legacy
issues.
F
F
So
we're
continuing
to
advance
our
processes
every
day
to
make
sure
that
our
community
and
the
communities
that
we
operate
in
are
safe.
We
also
have
something
called
the
neighbor
tool
at
airbnb.com
neighbors,
where
neighbors
can
can.
Let
us
know
if
there's
a
nuisance,
if
there's
garbage,
if
there's
an
event
happening
in
real
time
and
so
that
we
can
take
action
that
website
both
has
an
online
portal
for
for
making
complaints,
but
also
as
a
24
7
phone
line,
where
you
can
call
to.
F
Let
us
know
about
an
instance
in
in
progress,
so
we
can
take
action.
But
I
appreciate
your
comments
and
I
would
also
just
remind
counselors
that
we
are
not
the
only
platform.
There
are
many
platforms
operating
in
this
space,
many
platforms
that
are
much
less
responsible
on
these
matters.
I
know
I've
heard
my
colleagues
have
heard
from
counselors
on
this
council
with
regard
to
nuisances
and
we
immediately
investigate
and
take
action
with
our
hosts
or
with
our
guests
when,
when
we
receive
those
complaints.
R
Thanks
very
much
chair,
hi
nathan,
good
to
see
you
here.
I
just
I.
I
wanted
to
extend
on
counselor
brockington's
questions,
not
so
much
on
the
individual
issues
that
that
he
was
pointing
out
and
that
you
responded
to,
but
more
so
more
broadly
in
the
city,
and
I
guess
I'm
a
bit
surprised
that
there's
not
some
acknowledgement
of
making
these
these
legal.
R
I
guess
with
consultation
throughout
this
process,
and
so
I
guess
I'm
surprised,
there's
not
some
acknowledgement
in
your
comments
about
the
positivity
of
the
proposed
regulations,
extend
the
legality
of
airbnbs
and
residential
zones
by
changing
that
zoning
to
allow
for
hosts
to
rent
their
principal
residence
through
airbnb,
even
when
they're
out
of
town
for
snowbirds,
for
example,
and
essentially
before
now,
only
airbnb
is
running
in
a
similar
fashion
to
traditional
bed
and
breakfasts
were
clearly
permittable
in
ottawa.
This
is
going
to
change
with
this
report.
F
Thanks
counselor
sorry,
I
had
to
cut
my
comments
a
little
bit
to
to
fill
in.
I
recognize
that
there
are
two
bylaws
that
we're
discussing
today
and
I
was
focused
on
the
on
the
licensing
bylaw,
but
we
we
do
support
the
the
zoning
bylaw
and
I
think
that
the
city
also
made
a
very
smart
decision
with
not
limiting
to
primary
residences
in
the
rural
areas
where
there
are
opportunities,
additional
opportunities
for
the
city
to
benefit
from
an
economic
development
perspective.
J
Thanks
chair,
mr
altman,
just
some
clarification
on
some
of
the
comments
that
you
made
during
your
presentation.
You
said
that
in
vancouver
after
they
brought
in
the
bylaws
that
the
I
guess,
the
the
number
of
units
that
were
cur
were
rented
out
did
not
resort
back
to
housing
stock.
Only
a
fraction
of
them
did.
Can
you
tell
me
what
happened
to
the
units?
The
the
bulk
of
the
units.
F
Good
morning,
council,
sorry,
I
I'm
not
aware
of
what
actually
happened
to
those
units.
In
particular,
I
was
on
a
panel
time
is
all
questionable
these
days,
sometime
sometime
in
the
in
the
in
the
past,
with
the
director
of
licensing
from
the
city
of
vancouver,
who
had
a
slide
with
a
study
that
the
city
had
done.
That
showed
you
know
when
we
had
removed
about
2
000
units
that
the
300
had
moved
only
300
and
moved
to
the
long-term
housing
market.
F
I
think
when
we
talk
to
our
hosts,
what
we
hear
from
them
is
they
use
their
homes
for
different
reasons
throughout
the
year,
and
some
of
them
can
put
their
home
on
the
market
on
a
long-term
basis
and
some
cannot
because
they
use
it
for
their
child
for
their
parents,
for
whatever
other
purposes
for
extended
family
who
are
coming
to
visit
in
better
times.
So
not
every
short-term
rental
unit
that
leaves
airbnb
from
the
short-term
rental
platform
will
make
its
way
onto
the
long-term
housing
market.
J
F
J
C
G
G
My
name
is
tony
miller,
I'm
the
president
of
the
small
landlords,
I'm
sorry,
the
ottawa
small
landlord
association.
We
have
about
1600
members.
Some
of
our
members
do
focus
on
short-term
rentals
next
slide,
please
before
I
begin
just
want
a
big
shout
out
to
jared
reilly,
valerie,
biello
and
jennifer
jennifer
hesketh
for
for
meeting
with
us
and
allowing
us
to
speak
meet
with
them
during
the
stakeholder
meetings,
very
professional
and
really
appreciate
their
help
during
this
process.
G
Next
slide,
please
just
a
quick
update
since
about
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
there's
been
roughly
from
the
province
and
from
the
city
of
ottawa,
let's
say
10
or
so
rental,
housing
regulations
or
bylaws
that
have
been
studied
or
implemented.
So
I
just
wanted
to
to
pass
along.
That's
quite
a
few
next
slide,
please
overall,
I'm
not
here
to
oppose
the
bylaw.
I
just
want
to
provide
the
input
from
a
small
landlord
lens,
and
we
think
that
the
bylaw
will
do
what
it's
set
out
to
do,
what
it
sets
out
to
do
it.
G
G
That
was
mentioned
that
were
mentioned
in
the
consultants
report
next
slide,
please,
the
consultant's
report
just
said
that
there
were
at
the
time,
1
236
units,
and
just
this
slide
just
points
to
how
long
or
what
kind
of
impact
those
units
would
have
if
all
of
them
were
converted
to
long-term
rentals.
So
not
a
huge
impact.
G
G
Excuse
me.
Some
will
be
converted
to
long-term
rentals
for
sure,
and
some
already
have.
Many
of
them
have
been
converted
to
medium-term
rentals.
So
over
60
days-
and
let's
say
up
to
four
five
six
months
and
it's
because
of
new
construction
delays,
health
care
workers,
self-isolation
people
would
need
them
for
self-isolation
periods,
home
sales
when
there's
gaps
in
closing
dates
and
diplomatic
relocations,
we
believe
some
will
be
sold
because
of
the
economics.
The
numbers
don't
work
for
investors
and
because
many
do
not
want
to
return
to
the
long-term
rental
market.
G
Because
of
the
delays
that
the
landlord
and
tenant
board
some
will
remain
short-term
rentals
and
comply.
Some
will
remain
a
short-term
rentals
and
not
comply.
So
hopefully
that
answers
councillor
means
questions
earlier.
Well,
we
appreciate
the
overall
goals
of
the
bylaw.
We
just
have
a
couple
of
concerns.
We
just
wanted
to
to
point
out
the
definition
of
principle.
Residents
excludes
corporations,
many
small
landlords,
purchase
properties
under
corporations
and
move
into
the
homes,
it's
just
part
of
their
overall
plans
and
goals.
G
G
I
just
like
to
point
out,
however,
that
tenants
who
choose
to
rent
out
units
or
rooms
as
short-term
rentals
typically
do
so
without
landlords,
consent
or
knowledge.
So
the
the
pre
that
clause
are
the
the
prohibition
put
in
there
by
the
city
doesn't
help
small
landlords
when
tenants
don't
comply
next
slide.
Please
here's
an
example
of
that
from
an
oslo
member
who
has
a
tenant
and
he
stopped
paying
and
he
she
found
out
that
he
moved
out
and
he's
renting
to
six
people
in
a
one
bedroom
for
45
bucks.
C
C
M
You,
mr
chair,
tony,
just
point
of
clarification
when
I
read
the
report
and
I'll
be,
I
don't
know,
mr
chair,
if
it's
appropriate,
but
my
understanding
is:
if
a
landlord
does
not
want
a
tenant
to
do
short-term
rental,
it
is
completely
possible
you
can
you
can
block,
you,
can
red
circle
the
municipal
address
and
I
believe
that
if
you're
a
tenant,
you
have
to
prove
landlord
compliance
prior
to
getting
a
license
permit.
So,
mr
chair,
based
on
the
information
pri
provided
by
the
delegate,
could
we
get
staff?
H
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
Yes,
the
counselor
is
correct.
We're
going
to
be
addressing
this
issue
both
at
the
front
end
of
the
process
and
at
the
end
of
the
process,
so
in
order
to
get
a
short-term
rental
host
permit,
any
tenant
would
have
to
as
part
of
their
application
package,
provide
consent
from
their
landlord
in
order
to
get
the
host
permit.
H
In
addition,
we
are
going
to
be.
We
are
recommending
that
registration
process
that
mr
miller
referred
to,
where
landlords
can
proactively
register
with
the
city,
their
prohibitions
that
they
might
have
in
place
that
would
effectively
block
any
future
permits
from
being
issued
for
those
prohibited
properties.
C
Okay,
I
appreciate
that
any
further
questions
for
this
delegation
seeing
none
okay,
so
up
next
we
have
nicole
robinson
and
afterwards
heather
pearl.
So
if
you
want
to
get
rather
ready
too
heather,
so
nicole
is
an
articling
student
with
the
davidson
who
allen
llp
in
condominium
law.
So
please
welcome
to
the
committee
nicole
and
please
go
ahead
for
five
minutes.
S
Hi
good
morning,
thank
you.
Yes,
that's
right,
I'm
with
davidsonhole
allen
and
we
are
a
condominium
law
firm,
I'm
an
articling
student,
so
I'm
here
to
speak
to
a
couple
of
concerns
respecting
condominiums
and
short-term
rentals,
namely
that
we
wanted
it
to
be
clear
that
condominiums
will
continue
to
have
authority
to
regulate
short-term
rentals
in
their
communities
and
also
that
they'll
continue
to
have
flexibility
in
regulating.
S
So
right
now,
we've
seen
condominiums
that
prohibit
or
permit
short-term
rentals
in
their
communities,
but
we
also
see
some
creative
approaches
so
they'll
permit
them,
but
with
certain
restrictions,
for
example,
they're
permitted,
but
only
one
per
year
or
a
certain
number
of
short-term
rentals
per
year.
So
with
this
separate
licensing
process
or
permit
process
for
condominiums,
our
hope
is
that
they'll
be
able
to
continue
in
those
flexible
approaches
as
well
and
not
just
either
prohibit
or
permit
them
in
their
communities.
D
D
Thank
you.
Sorry.
I
have
a
number
of
condos
in
my
ward
and-
and
this
was
something
that
came
up
when
we
were
discussing
this
in
2019.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
correctly.
A
condo
can
pass
a
bylaw
that
outlines
its
rules,
its
law
with
respect
to
short-term
rentals.
It
could
prohibit
them
and
should
a
short-term
rental
exist
within
their
corporation
or
property.
D
They
can
take
action
against
that,
but
they
can
also
register
with
the
city
and
have
the
city
enforce
the
law
and
have
the
city
spend
the
time
and
money
and
energy
to
go
after
a
property
owner
in
this
case.
So
why
would
a
condo
spend
all
that
time
and
money
and
try
and
enforce
it
themselves
under
their
own
bylaw
when
they
can
use
the
city
to
do
it?
I'm
just
trying
to
see
what's
in
the
best
interest
of
the
condo.
S
D
I
completely
agree
with
you
on
the
point
about
being
flexible.
I
don't
want
it
the
the
rules
to
be
you
know,
handcuffed,
condos
and
their
ability
to
make
decisions.
I
will
follow
up
with
staff,
because
I
do
want
further
clarification
when
we
get
to
questions
for
staff
about
their
thoughts
on
how
a
condo
corporation
should
go
forward.
I
know
it's
touched
upon
in
the
report,
but
I
thank
you
for
your
presentation
today,
thanks
chair.
C
O
Thanks
hi.
First,
I'm
really
glad
to
see
this.
It's
desperately
needed
as
a
community
that
spent
two
years
dealing
with
a
ghost
hotel.
We
were
very
happy
to
see
this
this
happening.
My
approach
is
always
from
the
public
safety
perspective,
and
so
basically
my
suggestions
are
for
some
tightening
up
in
places.
For
instance,
definition
of
principal
residence
for
short-term
rental
purposes
could
be
further
defined
as
let
the
residents
owned
by
the
person,
rather
than
you
know,
delegated
to
some
to
a
renter,
because
you
do
have
issues.
O
But
at
the
same
time,
if
you
have
a
maximum
of
three
guest
bedrooms,
you
have
a
greater
deal
of
control
over
the
numbers
of
people
who
show
up
all
those
people
drive.
Cars
and
communities
are
not
set
up
to
to
take
to
handle
that
kind
of
parking.
You
could
end
up
with
basically
a
an
extra
large
dwelling
with
eight
bedrooms
having
16
people
coming
in
and
that
just
doesn't
seem
to
work
in
a
residential
area.
O
It
would
be
really
good
if
principal
residents
excuse
me
who
are
traveling
or
are
not
on
site
when
the
residence
is
rented
to
ensure
that
their
neighbors
have
a
contact
so
that
we
can
respond
immediately.
If
something
goes
wrong
in
case
of
ours,
it
we
actually
prevented
the
entire
place
being
trashed,
maybe
burned
down
anything
it
was.
It
was
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
people
in
a
party
in
a
small
house,
and
it
took
us
a
long
time
to
get
people
to
come
from
the
city
and
eventually
the
police.
O
So
the
other
thing
is:
can
the
number
of
days
be
capped
for
principal
residents
to
do
short-term
rentals,
because,
basically
they
shouldn't
be
doing
it,
and
if,
if
we,
we
could
have
them
sliding
around
the
rules,
the
the
owners
sliding
around
the
rules
if
they're
allowed
to
just
do
it
full
time.
So
I'm
really
in
favor
of
a
cap.
O
O
They
discovered
that
they
didn't
even
have
the
option
of
contractual
repairs
to
the
damages
that
were
left
to
them.
So
I
mean
this,
this
group
abused
the
neighbors
and
it
abused
the
new
owners
whom
we
are
really
happy
to
see.
So
that's
that's
really
it
glad
to
see
it.
I
think
it
could
be
a
little
bit
tightened
up
in
a
couple
of
places
and
that
would
be
awesome.
C
P
Thanks
heather,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
general
support
and
I
I
absolutely
hear
the
points
that
you're
looking
for.
There
will
be
a
period
obviously
of
testing
this
and
the
opportunity
to
close
up
loopholes
down
the
road,
and
I
know
that
you
and
others
will
be
watching
that
very
carefully.
I'm
just
curious,
assuming
that
this
passes
in
roughly
the
form
that
it
is
right
now.
Is
it
easily
understood
by
folks,
like
yourself,
community
leaders?
O
Our
problem
always
is
that
people
don't
pay
attention
to
things
until
it's
right
next
door
to
them,
so
I
can
put
stuff
on
my
website,
but
I
I
can
try
to
do
some
kind
of
a
blast
to
everybody,
but
that's
one
off,
so
I
will
be
doing
those
kinds
of
things
but,
as
as
I
said,
I
don't
know
what
else
could
be
done.
I
think
it
needs
to
be
a
very,
very
public
on
the
website.
C
Thank
you
very
much.
That
brings
us
to
the
end
of
our
delegations
today,
so
we'll
move
on
to
questions
for
staff,
so
please
use
the
raise
hand
function
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen.
We
see
a
couple
of
people
chiming
in
here
now,
that's
great.
We
will
begin
today
with
counselor
deans.
Please
go
ahead
for
five
minutes.
Counselor
thank.
A
I
had
lines
of
backpacks
buses
coming
into
the
neighborhood.
It
was
garbage
string
everywhere,
parking
issues,
it
was
awful
and
it
was
not
what
our
neighborhoods
expected
and
when
people
that
didn't
live
in
a
neighborhood
were
allowed
just
to
have
a
free
for
all.
It
was
not
working.
So
this
has
been
a
long
time
coming.
A
I
remember,
council
supported
the
amount
of
money
that
we
needed
to
do
the
background
studies
to
get
us
where
we
are
today,
and
I
am
grateful
that
we
have
come
this
far
and
I
think
even
the
threat
of
a
bylaw
has
actually
helped
a
lot
to
bring
us
to
where
we
are
today.
So
I'm
I
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
the
work
that
they've
done
on
this.
I
think
they've
done
a
really
good
job
and
I
like
that,
it's
a
three-year
period
so
that
we
can
tweak
it
at
the
end.
A
The
one
thing
that
I
worry
about-
and
I
don't
really
agree
with-
and
I
would
like
to
see
an
amendment
if
the
committee
members
would
be
agreeable
to
it
is
around
the
number
of
bedrooms
and
the
the
size
of
the
dwelling
units.
I
don't.
I
agree
with
the
speaker
heather
that
just
spoke
and
talked
about
oversized
dwelling
units.
A
Eight
bedrooms
is
excessive
and
in
some
of
the
residential
areas
that
I
represent,
there
are
large
homes
and
they
have
built
multiple
bedrooms
in
the
basements
and
under
the
definitions
in
this
bylaw
you
could
have
up
to
16
adults
or
32
children
or
some
combination
thereof,
and
that
to
me
is
not
a
resident.
It's
not
in
keeping
with
the
residential
area.
It
will
still
bring
in
the
sports
groups,
it'll
still
bring
in
the
bus
loads
of
people.
It
will
still
be
very
disruptive
in
a
neighborhood,
and
I
don't
think
that
we
need
to
have
that.
A
Many
people
allowed
one
dwelling
unit
even
from
a
safety
perspective.
It
sounds
way
too
much
for
me.
So
I
guess
my
question
to
city
staff
is:
why
did
you
decide
to
go
with
dwelling
units
and
oversized
dwelling
units?
And
why
didn't
you
just
call
them
a
dwelling
unit
and
as
heather
had
suggested
when
she
spoke
limit,
the
number
of
bedroom
uses
to
three
or
perhaps
four.
H
H
So
we
know
that
in
ottawa
there
are
a
small
number
of
listings
for
a
number
of
guests
over
eight
people.
So
we
need
to
recognize
that
and
accommodate
staff's
perspective.
Is
that
to
reasonably
accommodate
those
demands
for
larger
group.
Rentals
up
to
a
absolute
maximum
of
16
will
help
compliance
in
the
regulated
environment
that
we're
proposing.
H
H
G
G
G
G
A
Okay,
I
mean
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
it
does
seem
excessive
in
a
single
family
dwelling
unit
to
allow
that
many
people.
So
I'm
I'm
going
to
stand
down.
Let
the
other
committee
members
hear
what
they
have
to
say,
and
maybe
we
could
there's
nothing
to
prevent
us
from
changing
that
number
moving
it
downward.
If
that
was
the
will
of
the
committee
or
council,
is
that
correct.
K
Who
may
think
that
the
committee's
not
doing
enough
necessarily
because
we're
still
going
to
we're
going
to
actually
legalize
short-term
rentals
and
allow
them
in
the
vast
majority
of
our
communities
wanting
a
staff
could
explain
the
rationale
why
certain
parts
of
the
city
are
going
to
be
treated
differently
than
others.
Why?
The
vast
majority
of
the
city
is
going
to
have
short-term
rentals,
legalized
and
there
will
be
portions
of
the
city
where
it
won't
be
allowed
at
all.
So
I'm
wondering
for
those
listening
in
the
public
and
the
committee.
H
Yes,
mr
chair,
perhaps
I
can
start
off
by
explaining
the
rationale
in
terms
of
the
permit
regime.
That's
proposed
and
then
turn
it
over
to
planning
colleagues
to
speak
about
those
previous
council
decisions
on
bed
and
breakfast
specifically
so
from
a
permit
perspective.
The
use
of
property
as
a
bed
and
breakfast
and
the
use
of
property
as
a
short-term
rental,
are
very,
very
similar,
they're,
practically
identical,
particularly
when
these
short-term
rentals
are
being
listed
on
a
platform.
The
the
listings
resemble
each
other
they're.
They
provide
the
same
gamut
of
services.
H
So
from
a
permit
perspective,
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
allow
short-term
rentals
where
bed
and
breakfast
have
already
been
prohibited
by
council.
It
would
be
very
difficult
to
try
to
untangle
and
distinguish
both
uses
if
we
were
to
allow
short-term
rentals,
but
continue
to
respect
council's
decision
to
prohibit
bed
and
breakfast
in
those
particular
pockets
of
the
city.
H
So
the
permit
regime
is
proposing
to
respect
those
previous
council
decisions
of
prohibiting
bed
and
breakfast
use
in
certain
areas
of
the
city
by
not
allowing
short-term
rental
permits
to
be
issued
in
those
areas
either
in
terms
of
those
particular
council
decisions.
Mr
chair,
I
would
turn
it
over
to
my
planning
colleagues
to
give
you
some
history
on
that.
G
Thank
you
chair.
The
main
concern
that
we
have
here
is
that
we
did
have
a
number
of
historical
sites
located
across
the
city
where
bed
and
breakfasts
have
been
prohibited
for
various
reasons.
The
most
notable
one
would
be
the
one,
the
area
that
prohibits
bed
and
breakfast
within
rock
cliff
park.
The
main
issue
with
that
one
is
that
there's
an
existing
secondary
plan
for
rocklift
park
that
has
prohibited
commercial
uses
and
because.
G
Zoning
measure-
and
it
is
a
pilot
project
staff-
did
not
have
the
mandate
to
open
up
that
secondary
plan
or
really
engage
in
a
fundamental
reinterpretation
of
what
that
might
mean.
It
is
a
three
year
temporary
project,
so
there
is
opportunity
to
revisit
that
and
look
into
that
going
forward,
plus
also
that's
also
something
that
we
would
want
to
look
at
through
the
new
zoning
bala
rewrite
as
to
whether
those
things
are
are
truly
applicable
going
forward.
G
The
other
areas
where
there
are
existing
prohibitions
are
in
certain
rural
areas
as
well,
where,
for
a
variety
of
reasons
again
going
back
to
with
historical
reasons.
Bed
and
breakfast
has
been
has
been
limited
in
some
of
those
areas
and
again,
because
this
is
a
temporary
pilot
project
staff
didn't
feel
that
that
it
was
really
a
good
use
of
our
resources
at
this
time
to
reopen
some
of
those
old
issues.
K
I'm
glad
to
hear
that,
because
I
you
know,
I
think,
we're
one
city.
Now,
we've
been
one
city
for
a
long
time,
and-
and
you
know
we
should
have
similar
loot
rules
throughout
the
city.
I
think
so
I'm
glad
that
it
can
be
revisited
and
monitored
during
during
the
the
pilot
piece.
I
want
to
go
to
one
of
the
comments
that
the
last
delegation
made,
which
was
around
number
of
days
a
principal
residence,
can
be
utilized
for
short-term
rental
and
the
fact
that
to
her
understanding,
there's
no
cap
on
that.
K
G
They'll
create
a
new
one
that
makes
it
look
like
a
totally
different
listing
and
then
repost.
So
it
becomes
very
hard
to
post
that
or
to
enforce
that,
whereas
with
the
principal
residence
requirement
we
provide,
we
require
the
evidence
up
front.
They
have
to
sign
the
declaration.
They
have
to
prove
that
it's
the
principal
residence
at
the
start
and.
G
The
power
to
request
additional
documentation
to
verify
principal
residency
at
any
time
during
the
permitted
period,
so
this
is
an
approach
that
we
have
seen
in
vancouver.
I
think
vancouver
is
the
model
that
our
framework
is
most
closely
similar
to
and
they
have
received.
They
have
achieved
some
very
positive
results
using
this
model.
So
it's
basically
it's
just
easier
to
enforce
through
the
principal
residence
program
principle,
residence
requirement
than
it
is
to
enforce
principal
residents
through
a
nightly
rental
cap.
K
K
H
Mr
chair,
as
jared
has
said,
proving
the
principal
residence
requirement
will
be
one
of
the
key
elements
of
permit
issuance.
So
not
only
will
we
require
permit
applicants
to
sign
a
declaration
that
it
is
their
principal
residence
and
the
definition
essentially
says
this
is
their
home.
This
is
where
they
receive
taxation,
information
insurance
information,
where
you
know
they'll,
have
to
to
show
bylaws
a
piece
of
government
id
such
as
a
driver's
license
or
an
equivalent
piece
of
id
to
show
that
for
the
purposes
of
this
jurisdiction,
this
is
their
principal
residence.
H
K
I
appreciate
that,
but
I
guess
in
the
scenario
I'm
thinking
of
riley
can
own
a
home,
never
live
in.
It
live
somewhere
else
and
claim
the
home
that
he
doesn't
live
in,
because
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
part
of
our
definition
as
his
principal
residents
and
rented
out
365
days
a
year
without
any
supervision.
K
Or
am
I
missing
something
you're
not
asking
for
an
affidavit
of
certification
that
I
actually
reside
in
this
home
you're
saying
I
get
mail
there.
I
get
my
tax
information
there,
I
insure
it,
but
it
appears
there's
no
requirement
that
I
actually
live
there
or
I'm
part
of
that
community
in
in
any
real
way.
Or
am
I
am
I
missing
something.
H
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
clarify
mr
chair.
Yes,
the
declaration
will
require
the
permit
applicant
to
say
that
they
meet
all
aspects
of
the
definition
of
principal
residence,
so
that
this
is
essentially
their
home,
that
this
is
where
they
live
and
that
they
will
abide
by
the
regulations
of
the
host
regime.
K
H
Well,
we
don't
anticipate
that
that
will
occur.
Quite
frankly,
we
are
proposing
to
open
up
the
zoning
rules
to
allow
flexibility
for
local
hosts
so
that
they
can
avail
themselves
of
the
opportunity
to
rent
their
their
principal
residence
either
when
they're
there,
as
is
currently
permitted
under
the
bed
and
breakfast
model
or
when
they're
not
there.
So
we
want
to
create
flexibility
for
the
snowbirds
or
for
people
who
wish
to
rent
out
their
principal
residence
when
they're
away
for
a
week
or
during
long
weekends.
K
So
I'm
going
to
ask
if
staff
can
do
something
between
now
and
council,
I
think
was
jared
referenced
that
you're
following
the
vancouver
model
in
this
regard,
I'm
wondering
if,
if
information
could
be
circulated
in
particularly
how
you
relied
or
what
you
relied
upon
in
the
vancouver
model
or
bylaw
and
regulations
that
jared
has
indicated
had
been
so
successful
in
in
in
dealing
with
this
issue.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
before
the
final
vote
in
terms
of
whether
there
should
be
a
cap
or
there
shouldn't
be
a
cap.
K
I
sound
like
I'm
critical,
but
in
general
I
do
want
to
thank
you
very
much
for
doing
this
now.
My
community,
in
particular,
has
struggled
with
this.
We've
had
a
number
of
issues,
including
a
shooting,
into
a
neighboring,
a
neighboring
home.
So
I
really
do
appreciate
staff's
efforts
in
this
regard,
and
so
you
know
I've
asked
some
tough
questions.
I
appreciate
that,
but
but
the
work
was
important.
It
needed
to
be
done
and
I
think
it
will
provide
some
protections.
K
C
Thank
you
very
much
if
the
committee
will
indulge
me
just
for
a
brief
moment,
because
it
does
pertain
to
to
to
this
line
of
questioning,
I'm
just
wondering
if
staff
can
answer
this.
Is
there
anything
stopping
me
from
from
you
know
renting
out
my
home
on
airbnb.
This
is
my
principal
residence.
I
receive
my
mail
here.
H
There,
no
there's
nothing
in
our
bylaw.
That
would
prevent
you
from
doing
that.
We
don't
anticipate.
There
will
be
a
lot
of
circumstances
where
that
may
arise.
However,
in
in
the
example
that
you
give
you,
as
the
host
permit
holder
will
be
accountable
for
all
the
rental
periods
that
occur
in
your
principal
residence
when
you're
there
and
when
you're
not
there.
H
That
means
that
you'll
have
to
give
emergency
contacts
to
bylaw
so
that
if
there
is
a
situation
that
arises
during
a
rental
period,
you
will
be
responsible
for
answering
to
bylaw
or
your
property
manager
will,
if
there
is
continued
non-compliance
or
issues
of
public
health
and
safety.
Bylaw
has
the
flexibility
to
take
immediate
action,
either
on
your
permit
by
imposing
conditions
or
revoking
or
suspending
your
permit.
In
addition
to
fines,
you
will
have
to
inform
your
guests
about
the
applicable
rules
during
the
rental
period,
including
noise,
garbage
and
parking.
H
C
D
We
are
raising
expectations
that
we're
going
to
have
a
bylaw,
that's
going
to
control
and
even
cap,
even
though
there
is
no
cap,
the
use
of
these
houses
for
short-term
rentals
and
so
here's
the
issue.
If
we
allow
a
home
on
a
street
to
be
used
more
than
six
months
a
year
more
than
50
percent,
how
can
that
then
be
a
principal
residence?
I'm
not
going
to
be
there,
I'm
going
to
be
somewhere
else.
D
So
if
you
have
these
cash
cow
homes
that
are
being
rented
out
all
year,
maybe
to
12
different
renters
for
for
30
day
periods,
it's
it
conforms
to
the
bylaw
but
you're
going
to
have
this
ongoing
issue
in
the
communities.
There'll
be
greater
controls,
because
the
bylaw
is
going
to
put
some
some
rules
and
regulations
there,
but
we're
still
going
to
have
the
revolving
door
of
people
going
through
these
homes.
D
There
should
be
a
cap,
as
I
think
about
this
and
hear
more
of
my
colleagues
talk.
We
we
need
to
cap
the
number
of
nights
in
any
given
year.
The
unit
can
be
rented
out
for
this
purpose,
and
so
I
think
the
maximum
would
be
180.
That's
six
months.
Six
months,
minus
one
day
would
then
allow
the
owner
to
be
there
for
fifty
percent
plus
one
day
to
live
there
in
their
principal
residence
and
then
use
it
for
less
than
that.
I
I
don't
have
anyone
coming
to
me
in
my
comedian
that
says
yeah.
D
D
Now
I
want
to
get
that
out
there
that
I
do
think
we
need
to
cap
the
number
of
nights
in
a
given
year
that
a
unit
is
on
the
market.
Just
some
questions
from
constituents
that
I
have
first
of
all,
the
six
new
bylaw
officers
that
are
being
assigned
to
that.
How
did
you
come
up
with
the
number
six
and
in
the
first
12
to
18
months?
Do
you
think
that's
going
to
be
enough?
I
have
a
feeling
they're
going
to
be
very
busy.
How
did
you
come
up
with
six.
H
C
Q
D
Q
Yeah.
Thank
you,
mr
chair
good
question.
I
mean
it
was.
It
was
a
long
discussion
about.
You
know
any
time
that
there's
new
regulations
that
come
into
effect,
we
always
see
an
increase
in
call
volume,
and
we
were
concerned
about
that.
But
we
also
see
that
you
know
during
you
know
the
first
year
and
in
the
second
year
we
see
a
bit
of
a
a
tail
off
in
in
calls
with
and
also
using
the
the
proactive
model.
Q
D
G
D
D
H
So
what
we're
offering
them
is
a
type
of
protection
where
they
can
come
to
the
city
and
proactively
register
their
own
governance
documents
that
prohibit
short-term
rentals
in
the
face
of
that
registration.
The
city
will
not
issue
a
short-term
rental
permit
for
those
addresses.
So
what
happens
then?
H
If
someone
applies
for
a
permit
for
one
of
those
prohibited
addresses,
they
won't
get
one
if
enforce.
Investigation
and
enforcement
show
that
there
is
actually
short-term
rental
activity
on
those
premises.
Those
hosts
will
be
subject
to
sanctions
under
the
by-law,
including
fines.
If
the
activity
can
continues,
they
will
be
subject
to
escalating
fines
for
continued
non-compliance.
M
M
Of
the
report,
but
I
do
have
some
questions:
can
you
clarify
there's
some
there's
some
elements
of
legal
non-conforming,
that
sort
of
bridges
existing
situations
and
then
the
overall
hotel
zoning,
which
would
be
a
permission
under
short-term
use?
Can
you
that's
sort
of
put
aside,
but
it
is
central
like
because
anywhere
where
a
hotel
use
would
be
permitted,
someone
could
buy
a
property
trigger
that
use
and
and
convert
the
all
the
units
into
a
short-term
rental.
From
what
I
understand
other
than
what
was
just
described
by
councillor
brockington
as
your
primary
residence?
G
Add
there
are
zones
within
the
city
in
part
10
of
the
zoning
bylaw
that,
in
addition
to
allowing
their
mixed
view
zones,
so
in
addition
to
allowing
what
we
would
consider
the
standard
residential
uses,
they
also
allow
hotels
and
therefore
it
would
be
quite
possible
for
someone
who
is
operating
a
short-term
rental
to
claim
an
entitlement
to
continue
with
that
use.
After
the
passage
of
the
proposed
zoning
by
law
and
regulatory
bylaw
as
a
legal
non-conforming
use
and
pursuant
to
the
planning
act,
subsection
349.
M
Okay
and
then
oh,
I
got
feedback,
sir,
if
it's
my
mic,
I
so
with
that
in
mind,
with
the
proposal
for
the
the
short
term,
the
temporary
zoning
bylaw
today.
Couldn't
anyone
make
that
case
in
the
future?
I
just
want
to
understand
how
both
of
those
conditions
don't
lead
us
to
allowing
hotel
uses
anywhere
and
everywhere.
G
Madam
chair,
mr
chair,
the
the
one
of
the
essential
elements
of
a
temporary
zoning
bylaw.
The
first
is
that
it
can
only
last
for
a
maximum
of
three
years,
but
the
second
and
and
very
important
in
this
context
is
that
it
does
not
give
rise
to
illegal
non-conforming
use.
It
is
the
very
essence
of
a
temporary
zoning
bylaw
evident
in
its
name
that
it
is
for
a
limited
time
period
and
at
the
expiration
of
that
time
period
the
right
to
such
use
expires.
M
G
Madam
chair,
mr
chair,
it
is
always
an
option.
That's
open
to
anyone
within
the
city
of
ottawa
to
apply
for
permanent
zoning,
and
so
someone
who
had
had
a
temporary
use
in
the
past
could
pay
the
requisite
fee.
Do
the
requisite
studies
and
apply
for
permanent
zoning.
That
is
a
theoretical
option.
Madam
chairman.
G
Madame
chair
and
mr
chair,
the
the
zoning
for
these
areas
is
quite
clear.
These
areas
are
residential
in
nature.
Principal
commercial
uses
are
not
something
that
we
would
generally
look
upon,
favorably
within
a
residential
context,
and
that
is
also
affirmed
in
the
current
official
plan
as
well
that
residential
neighborhoods
are
primarily
for
residential
uses.
M
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you,
david
for
clarifying
and
thank
you
for
your
work
on
this
okay.
I
have
a
just
a
clarification
relating
to
the
requirements.
So
can
you,
if
I'm
a
condo
board,
if,
if
my
condo
board,
doesn't
want
short-term
rental?
What
is
I
think,
I'm
going
back
to
to
riley's
point
here?
Is
there
an
easy
kind
of
motion
that
we
could
have
on
our
books
that
a
a
board
could
pass
that
would
red
red
zone
the
address
and
then
same
thing
with
the
landlord
like?
M
H
H
Our
proposed
bylaw
will
accept
any
one
of
those
three
as
valid
prohibitions
to
stop
the
issuance
of
a
short-term
rental
permit
for
those
premises,
there's
lots
of
information
already
available
through
the
provincial
condo
authority
on
how
condo
boards
can
get
these
measures
into
place.
There
are
legal
requirements
in
the
legislation
for
them
to
do
that
and,
from
my
perspective,
condo
boards
seem
to
be
very
well
versed
in
how
to
do
that.
So
condo
declarations
and
bylaws
are
the
more
formal
of
the
two.
H
The
rules
is
the
more
relaxed
one,
so
we
are
allowing
rules
to
be
brought
forward
as
evidence
of
a
prohibition
on
a
condo
property.
We
will
work
with
the
representatives
of
the
condo
boards
to
make
sure
that
they
provide
the
information
necessary
to
register
that
prohibition
once
that
prohibition
is
registered.
H
H
So
any
landlord
that
currently
prohibits
short-term
rental
activity
in
their
rental
properties
can
come
forward
as
part
of
that
registration
process
and
provide
a
declaration
and
evidence
of
the
prohibition.
Again,
the
same
thing
would
happen
once
that
registration
is
in
place.
No
short-term
rental
permits
would
be
issued
for
those
rental
properties.
H
If
a
tenant
tries
to
obtain
a
permit,
they
won't
get
one
if
they
are
listing
for
short-term
rentals
on
that
prohibited
property
through
the
web
surveillance
tools
that
mr
chapman
spoke
about.
Those
listings
will
come
forward
and
bylaws
will
investigate
further
for
non-compliance.
The
tenant,
then,
would
be
subject
to
fines
as.
M
M
Thank
you,
mr
chair
joseph.
Thank
you
for
your
time
today.
What
would
be
the
implications
of
a
hybrid
scenario
where
I'm
using
a
counselor
brockington,
as
example,
and
counselor
eglise
example?
If
someone
was
to
be
on
the
platform,
doing
short-term
rental
for
180
days,
half
of
the
period
is
for
commercial
use.
M
How
could
we
hybrid
a
commercial
tax
that
reflects
the
period
on
the
platform,
because
I'm
I
actually
agree
with
the
hotel
industry
and
auto
tourism
on
fairness?
I
think
there
there's.
No.
The
benefit
to
the
pro
this
city
of
ottawa
is
through
property
taxes
and
property
taxes.
Use
is,
is
higher
for
the
hotels
right
now
for
the
commercials,
so
I
understand
how
we
can
create
a
fairness
element
on
from
property
tax
components.
G
G
So
in
this
particular
case,
if,
if
a
property
is
being
used
regularly
for
commercial
purposes
such
as
short-term
rentals,
that's
information
that
we
could
forward
to
impact
and
they
would
have
to
review
that
in
action
that,
based
on
the
assessment
act
and
based
on
the
regulations
that
support
the
assessment
act
as
a
city.
We
are
sort
of
limited
in
terms
of
the
options
that
are
available
to
us
at
this
point
in
time
in
terms
of
addressing
specifically
these
properties
that
are
sort
of
conducting
short-term
rentals
in
residential
properties.
G
However,
under
the
assessment
act
there
could
be
provisions
that
are
available
that
mpac
would
be
able
to
explore
in
order
to
sort
of
change
the
tax
class
as
needed.
But
again,
that's
not
a
piece
that
we
would
be
able
to
conclusively
comment
on.
We
would
have
to
you
know,
take
these
pieces
on
case
by
case
basis
as
they
become,
as
we
become
aware
of
them
and
as
they're
forwarded
to
us
and
make
mpac
aware
of
them
for
review
and
action.
M
Okay,
complex
joseph,
maybe
you
and
I
can
take
it
offline
and
I
I
wonder
if,
if
other
colleagues
are
interested
in
joining
that
conversation,
because
I
I
would
let
me
stake
my
interest,
it
would
be
to
bring
forward
a
motion
to
council
to
gain
those
authorities,
because
I
I
think
we
have
a
really
robust
effort
here
in
in
the
report,
and
I
think
one
of
the
missing
pieces
is-
is
fairness
around
property
taxation
which,
which
is
an
interesting
component
in
all
of
this,
so
so
I'll
reach
out
joseph.
Thank
you.
C
G
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair.
My
question
is
going
to
go
to
roger
chapman,
the
chief
chapman,
and
before
I
I
asked
the
question.
I
do
wanna
thank
our
bylaw
services.
Your
world
was
turned
completely
upside
down
and
we
forget
that
you
used
to
just
ticket
people
ticket
cars,
and
now
you
have
a
whole
new
world
that
you
have
to
deal
with.
So
please
pass
along
my
thanks
to
you
and
all
your
staff
for
the
work
you've
been
doing
during
this
pandemic.
G
G
Excellent,
thank
you,
and
so
on
that,
just
from
a
I'm
thinking,
you
know
how
it
would
work
after
this
goes
through.
Would
that
be
something
like
I'm
just
trying
to
think
chaina
mccan
chain
of
command,
wise,
obviously
you're?
The
top
dog
in
the
department
is?
Is
that
where
the
buck
would
stop,
is
it
would
it
be
you
guys
having
access
to
that
platform
to
be
able
to
remove
them
from
the
platform.
Q
Q
F
C
J
J
I
don't
think
we
were
realizing
the
extent
of
airbnbs,
because
they're
in
residential
homes
and
and
they're
kind
of
stealth,
and
until
they
have
a
problem
and
some
of
them
remain
stealth,
because
they're
not
a
problem
and-
and
I
want
to
recognize
that
that
many
are
are
law
abiding
and
doing
well,
and
I
shouldn't
use
the
term
airbnb,
because
that's
just
one
platform
and
that's
one
of
my
questions
is
it's
reaching
out,
because
it's
it's
not
just
them.
There's
there's
others
as
well,
and
people
can
just
do
it
on
their
own.
J
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
We
have
actually
been
consulting
throughout
the
process
with
three
different
platforms:
airbnb
expedia
that
operates
vrbo
that
has
short-term
rentals
in
ottawa
and
a
smaller
platform
called
mr
b
b.
So
we
have
included
them
both
in
the
first
phase
to
for
policy
development
and
in
the
second
phase
for
development
of
the
bylaw.
J
H
Mr
chair,
that
is
possible
conceivably
again.
It's
up
to
each
condo
board
to
avail
themselves
of
their
powers
under
provincial
legislation
to
put
into
place
the
declarations,
the
bylaws
or
the
rules
to
govern
the
activity
on
their
premises.
City
can't
do
that
for
them,
and
I
I
would
take
that
step
further
and
say
it's
not
the
city's
role
to
do
that.
J
J
Thank
you,
one
of
the
issues
that
that
came
up,
that
that
gave
short-term
rentals
a
really
bad
name
was
shootings
and-
and
there
was
one
in
in
the
downtown
area,
but
it
involved
a
resident
of
mine
and
it
was
a
youth,
and
I
know
that
it
was
tackled
also
by
airbnb
in
terms
of
their
preventing
rentals
to
to
those
under
25.
But
are
we
addressing
that
as
well.
H
H
What
we're
doing
is
creating
a
permit
system
so
that
if
there
are
incidences
of
public
health
and
safety,
there
will
be
measures
available
for
the
director
of
bylaw
and
regulatory
services
to
suspend
the
permit,
put
conditions
on
the
permit
or
revoke
the
permit,
and
I
would
defer
to
roger
chapman
to
explain
to
you
how
he
works.
He
will
work
with
ottawa
police
on
that
basis,
but
the
the
permit
regime
will
be
able
to
account
for
non-compliance
and,
in
particular
conditions
of
concern
about
public
health
and
safety
at
any
rental
property.
J
Thank
you
if
I
may,
the
one
the
one
way
to
find
out
about
these
short-term
rentals
is
from
neighbors.
We
get
the
complaints
we
get
phone
calls
to
our
office
and
the
usual
sign
that
this
isn't.
A
typical
house
is,
there's
a
lock
box
on
the
door,
and
it's
that's,
and
so
you
know
that
there's
no
owner.
So
I'd
like
to
know
what
we
can
advise.
J
If
there's
concerns
about
that,
there
may
be
one.
That's
you
know
in
the
future
once
if
we
pass
this
an
illegal,
short-term
rental,
what
the
telltale
signs
are,
because
they
are
very
still
that
they're
kind
of
meant
to
be.
They
kind
of
that
was
the
whole
porn
to
them
in
the
first
place,
they're
going
in
residential
areas,
but
because
I'm
you
know,
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
we
we
have
a
good
system
in
place
for
when
people
do
their
3-1-1
calls
on
concerns.
H
That
will
help
build
the
city's
database
on
how
these
regulations
are
being
understood
and
being
implemented
and
how
successful
they
are
in
terms
of
identifying
illicit,
short-term
rentals,
which
I
believe
that's
what
the
council
is
asking
about.
Yes,
both
the
upfront
permit
registration
system,
as
well
as
the
investigative
tools
that
this
bylaw
will
enable
will
allow
bylaw
and
regulatory
services
to
identify
them
and
then
take
action
against
them.
J
Okay,
so
if
there
are
a
legal
one
that
has
registered,
we
can
go
to
the
host
and
and
speak
to
them.
If
there's
any
infractions
and
if
they're
illegal,
then
then
we
can
find
them
for
for
exa
for
existing
on
something
they
shouldn't
exist
on.
Is
that
a
lengthy
process,
or
is
that
something
like?
I
think
that
people
would
be
worried
that
it
would,
you
know,
maybe
we're
gonna,
there's
a
lot
to
prove
that
they
were
in
that
situation.
Q
Yes,
thank
you
through
through
you,
mr
chair.
These
are
again
with
our
proactive
enforcement
model
with
the
short-term
rentals,
we're
hoping
that
we'll
be
able
to
capture
a
lot
of
these
unregistered
short-term
rental
locations
before
the
you
know
that
there
are
any
community
impacts,
but
as
as
valerie's
mentioned,
I
you
know,
I
would
encourage
people
to
continue
to
call
3-1-1.
If
they
see
these,
we
can
quickly.
Q
Those
will
be
given
to
the
enforcement
staff
to
to
investigate
and
we
can
quickly
tell
whether
they're,
registered
or
not
in
the
system,
but
again
through
the
proactive
enforcement
model
and
the
the
surveillance
software
that
we
are
procuring.
We're
hoping
that
we'll
be
able
to
to
bring
out
these.
You
know
illegal
illegally,
operating
short-term
rentals
on
board
fairly
quickly.
Q
Well.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
It's
a
good
question.
Hopefully
we
catch
that
one
up
front
I
mean.
Obviously
one
of
the
conditions
for
the
issuance
of
the
permit
is
that
that
host
have
proof
or
a
declaration
from
their
landlord
or
property
owner
that
they're
permitting
the
short-term
rental
to
occur
on
their
property.
So
if
it's,
if
that
host,
has
registered
on
a
short-term
rental
platform,
without
that
permission,
they
should
be
removed
immediately.
Q
C
P
Thank
you
very
much,
a
few
quick
questions,
but
also
just
wanted
to
address
this
issue
of
the
cap
that
has
come
up
over
the
course
of
the
meeting.
I
just
want
to
come
back
to
some
fundamentals,
which
is
we
haven't
identified
as
a
council
through
the
policy
process
that
the
number
of
evenings
a
property
is
rented,
is
a
problem
that
we
are
trying
to
deal
with.
P
You
know
I
I
think
staff
have
succeeded
in
in
following
council's
intent
and
giving
us
a
regulatory
regime
that
impacts
that
I
think
to
put
in
place
a
cap
is
to
say:
wait.
We
have
a
new
policy
goal,
which
is
that
you
know
we
need
to
limit
the
number
of
evenings
that
residential
properties,
well-run
residential
properties
are
used.
So
I
you
know
I
just
I'm
happy
to
for
the
next
three
years,
see
how
this
bylaw
works
in
terms
of
addressing
the
problems
that
we
have
already
identified.
P
H
So
bylaw
will
have
the
ability
to
verify
the
number
of
nights
through
that,
but
also
independently
through
the
web
surveillance
tool
that
is
being
procured
and
the
bylaw
defines
a
short-term
rental.
Now,
as
less
than
30
consecutive
nights,
so
they'll
be
able
to
see
what
the
exact
number
of
rental
nights
are
for
each
rental
period.
P
Great,
thank
you.
So
these
are
some
very
welcome
tools.
You've
heard
from
a
couple
of
our
community
associations.
They
they
are
pleased
with
the
new
regulations.
How?
How
can
we
help
community
understand
associations
and
other
community
leaders
know
what
the
new
rules
are
so
that
they're
in
a
position
to
be
our
partners
in
ensuring
that
those
are
are
being
obeyed?.
H
Mr
chair,
I
would
suggest
that,
as
the
city
is
developing
its
communications
campaign
through
ottawa.ca
producing
materials
and
guides
for
hosts
for
platforms
and
for
property
managers
that
perhaps
council
members
could
assist
by
providing
those
links
through
your
own
networks.
So
I
think
that's
a
very
helpful
suggestion.
If
that
the
counselor
has
made,
and
if
counselors
are
amenable,
we
can
certainly
make
those
links
available
once
they're
ready
and
those
counselors
that
could
then
circulate.
Those
within
your
networks
and
communities
would
be
very
helpful.
P
H
Mr
chair,
I'm
happy
to
start
answering
this
question
and
then
pass
it
over
to
legal
services.
If
necessary,
I
don't
believe
it's
necessary
to
clarify
in
our
bylaw
that
a
provincial
law
applies,
particularly
the
condominium
act.
So
condo
corporations
are
aware
that
they
have
the
ability
to
put
condo
declarations,
condo,
bylaws
or
condo
rules
in
place
to
govern
the
activities
on
their
properties,
including
short-term
rental
activity.
H
L
H
A
A
I've
looked
at
many
bylaws
across,
certainly
north
america
and
and
and
I
I
honestly
believe
that
that
we
have
today
in
front
of
us
what
will
be
the
the
strongest
regulatory
framework
for
short-term
rentals
and
and
managing
short-term
rentals
in
our
our
city,
and
I
just
wanna.
I
just
just
a
a
few
things.
I
don't
wanna.
I
don't
need
to
speak
for
long,
but
I
just
wanna
say
this
that
you
know
there's
there's
some
discussion
about.
A
A
Somebody
else
today
suggested
that
you
know
it
might
only
be
half
of
the
1200
or
a
fraction,
but
you
know
for
the
people
who
need
housing.
I
can
tell
you
that
100
300
600
800
it's
a
lot
of
housing.
It's
a
lot
of
people
out
there
who
would
otherwise
not
have
had
rental
accommodation,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
it's
not
just
what
went
back
on
the
market.
It
was
stopping
the
erosion
of
our
rental
housing
stock.
I
used
to
get
in
my
office
and
I
can
go
back.
I
have
kept
tr
I've
kept
record.
A
A
Some
were
suicidal,
they
knew
there
was
nowhere
else
to
go.
They
worked
at
the
local
grocery
store,
they
were,
they
worked
in
the
service
industry
and
so
the
the
affordable
rental
accommodation
that
they
had,
they
were
losing
and
they
had
to
move
elsewhere,
perhaps
buy
a
car
or
they
they
weren't,
going
to
be
able
to
to
to
survive.
So
you
know
I
caution.
Anyone
who
you
know
thinks
saving
300
units
is
not
a
big
deal.
A
Governments
pay
a
lot
of
money
for
us
to
build
300,
new,
affordable
housing
units
and
between
2010
and
2016
for
every
one
at
the
gov
that
we
built
publicly.
We
lost
seven
in
the
private
rental
market,
so
it
is
a
big
deal
and
you
know
I'll
just
say
this
about.
You
know
the
issue
of
of
safety
and
and
ghost
hotels
and
party
houses.
You
know
I
had
a
a
young
person
who
was
who
was
murdered
in
in
the
war
that
I
represent
in
an
airbnb.
A
It's
one
example
that
of
many
that
we've
heard
from
your
residents
in
mind-
and
it
has
always
been
difficult
for
me
from
day
one
to
get
any
of
the
platforms
to
act
and
to
act
quickly
and
to
shut
down
party
houses
and
to
shut
down
accommodate
their
hosts,
because
this
is
driven
by
by
profit
and
not
by
public
good,
and
we
heard
that
loud
and
clear
today.
So
again,
I
do
want
to
thank
staff.
Thank
council.
A
It
was
almost
immediate
that
the
phone
call
stopped
people
knew
small
landlords
knew
and,
and
others
homeowners
knew
that
the
gig
was
up
once
we
passed
the
the
framework
that
the
erosion
of
of
the
rental
market
stock
stopped
almost
immediately.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
to
staff.
Thanks
chair,
I
don't
have
any
questions,
I'm
very
happy
with
the
report.
C
R
That's
gonna,
clarify
and
and
render
enforceable
the
spirit
of
our
long-standing
zoning
rules
when
it
comes
to
str
type
uses
in
residential
zones,
and
I
think
staff
need
to
be
congratulated
and
really
celebrated
for
the
work
they've
put
in
for
bringing
to
life
a
really
proactive
solution
to
some
of
the
systemic
violations
that
were
happening
with
our
city.
Zoning
and
the
kind
of
permit
system
is
exactly
what
we
need
more
of
in
the
city.
Too
often
we're
really
seeing
a
regulatory
approach,
that's
more
reactive.
R
R
That's
going
to
pay
for
those
new
ftes
to
enforce
it
and
will
also
generate
appropriate
funds
through
the
mat
for
ottawa
tourism
and
for
the
general
public,
and
I
I
want
to
be
clear
as
well
that
illegally
operating
airbnbs
or
other
short-term
rentals
are
are
of
concern,
not
just
because
they
disrespect
our
zoning
by
law
or
because
the
disturbances
that
have
been
caused
to
neighboring
properties
or
because
of
the
hotel
industry's
bottom
line.
The
most
concerning
aspect
is
the
emergence
of
a
illegal
strs.
Is
that
they're?
R
You
know
contributing
to
the
affordable
housing
crisis
and
they
eat
up
properties
on
land
earmarked
for
housing,
folks
longer
term,
and
so
I
think
we
zone
in
areas
of
the
city
as
residential
to
ensure
that
the
land
is
is
specifically
set
aside
for
housing
our
residents
and
has
been
for
a
long
time
and
residential
zoning
is,
is
a
cornerstone
of
our
city
and
should
be
treated
as
as
such.
I
think
this,
this
regulatory
framework
really
can't
come
into
effect
soon
enough
and
again
thanks
to
staff
for
for
putting
us
along
this.
R
N
Thank
you.
Sorry.
It
takes
a
while
to
get
off
mute
here.
I
want
to
say
a
couple
of
things.
If
I
may,
on
this
one
first
off,
I
want
to
thank
our
colleague
councillor
mckinney
she's.
They
have
always
been
able
to
put
a
human
face
on
this
issue
for
us,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
what
was
mentioned
about
this
issue
and
the
work
she's
done
in
the
area.
N
I
talked
to
several
people
on
one
of
the
streets
that
were
impacted,
and
a
year
later
they
were
noticing
that
when
they
would
list
their
homes
for
sale,
people
would
automatically
google
the
address
and
up
would
come
the
story
about
the
party
house
and
they
were
not
realizing
the
full
value
of
their
property.
When
they
tried
to
sell
it,
they
were
getting
negative
feedback
from
potential
buyers,
and
so
there's
more
than
just
the
impact
of
that
weekend,
and
so
I
I
I
joined
with
my
colleagues
and
applauding
staff
on
what
they've
done
here.
N
We
do
have
retirees
that
mainly
retirees
that
want
to
be
able
to
rent
their
homes
out
for
the
winter
while
they
go
visit,
family
or
friends
somewhere
else
for
because
they're
able
to
go
away
for
one
or
two
months
at
a
time-
and
I
see
that
we've
accommodated
their
needs
in
this.
So
I
appreciate
that
one
question
I
have
for
staff
is
on
this
discussion
earlier
about
primary
residencies.
N
I
understand
that
we've
created
our
own
definition
to
it
as
counselor
leaper
read
out
for
us
in
there,
but
there
is
a
legal
standing
for
prime
primary
residents
as
well.
That
says
you
don't
have
to
live
in
there,
for
example,
husband
and
wife,
or
two
partners
can
own
one
home
and
that
home
goes
in
one
of
the
partners
names.
H
Mr
chair,
perhaps
I
can
send
this
question
over
to
legal
services,
but
on
a
preliminary
basis,
I
can
advise
that
we
looked
at
the
definitions
of
primary
residents
that
were
used
in
other
jurisdictions,
as
well
as
the
definitions
that
are
woven
through
different
pieces
of
federal
legislation
for
taxation
or
other
purposes.
Again.
The
key
element
is
that
it
has
to
be
someone's
home.
H
N
H
N
L
Good
morning,
madam
chair,
mr
chair
stewart
huxley
with
legal
services
further
to
miss
biato's
response,
the
definition
of
principle
principal
residents,
uses
the
term
ordinary
or
uses
the
terms,
ordinarily
resident
and
so
and
and
further
to
the
sub
to
the
comments
earlier.
The
language
is
common
language,
ordinary
usage,
and
so
those
factors
that
are
in
the
definition
will
be
looked
at
and
it
is
our
submission
that
it's
a
reasonable
definition.
L
It's
consistent
with
other
bylaws
in
this
particular
area
and
certainly
other
pieces
of
legislation,
may
use
primary
residence
in
in
purposes
of
taxation
or
in
real
property,
but
in
in
legal's
review.
The
term
ordinarily
resident
gives
an
indication
to
someone
who
wants
to
engage
in
this
activity
that
they
know
that
they
have.
This
is
their
where
they
customarily
live
or
reside,
and
so
it
should
give
that
reasonable
notice
and
understanding
to
the
public
as
to
what
arrangement
is
is
required
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
permit.
K
Thanks
and
I'll
be
quick,
because
I've
had
I've
had
one
chance
already
and
I'll
just
give
a
bit
of
context.
This
question
so
building
on
what
mr
huxley
just
said,
and
what
staff
on
on
the
bylaws
side
have
said,
you
know
they're
using
terms
like
home,
ordinarily
resident
and
yet
they've
answered
quite
unequivocally
that
you
can
rent
it
out
365
days
a
year.
You
don't
actually
have
to
live
there
and
to
council
leapers
comments
about
how
he
believes
the
staff
have
addressed
the
concerns.
K
K
But
I
am
not
supportive
of
this
notion
staff
saying
on
one
hand
it's
the
person's
home,
it's
where
they're
ordinarily
resident,
but
on
the
other
hand
they
can
rent
it
out
365
days
a
year
if
they
want
and
never
set
foot
in
the
property
and
we're
okay
with
that.
So
I
want
to
find
out
if
I
can
vote
on
the
package,
but
without
that
particular
piece
in
there
and
descent
on
that
particular
piece,
and
I
think
some
colleagues
around
the
table
may
feel
the
same
way.
G
K
K
K
G
N
G
K
J
H
H
J
P
The
the
assertion
is
there
that
if
you
don't
live
in
the
house,
if
you're
not
ordinarily
resident
there,
that
you
can
actually
never
step
foot
in
the
house
that
you
can
still
rent
on
a
short-term
rental
platform
can
can
I
ask
mister,
can
I
ask
staff,
including
legal
pleas,
to
just
clarify
for
us?
What
does
it
mean
to
be
ordinarily
resident
and
what
restrictions
would
be
in
place
for
somebody
who
never
steps
foot
in
the
in
the
house
but
receives
all
their
all
their
mail
there?
H
What
the
bylaw
requires
will
be
that
any
permit
applicant
complete
a
declaration
and
proof
to
bylaw
and
regulatory
services
that
the
one
property
that
they
are
applying
for
for
short-term
rental
host
permit
is
their
principal
residence.
The
declaration
will
reproduce
the
definition,
that's
in
the
bylaw
that
they
are
declaring
that
this
is
where
they
are
ordinarily
resident,
that
this
is
their
home.
H
Then
they
will
obtain
if
they
meet
those
requirements.
They'll
obtain
a
host
permit.
When
they
do
obtain
that
host
permit,
they
will
be
accountable
for
those
rental
periods,
whether
they
are
there
or
whether
they
are
not
there.
So
as
a
as
a
whole.
The
regulations
that
we're
proposing
today
give
flexibility
to
the
hosts
to
be
there
or
not
there,
so
they
can
rent
out
their
property,
provided
they
have
a
permit
on
a
short-term
rental
basis
during
long
weekends
during
the
winter
months,
if
they're
snowbirds,
but
we
expect
them
to
be
accountable.
H
L
K
K
So
it
seems
to
me
that
there's
words
on
paper
and
which
will
be
applied
in
a
very
different
way
in
practice.
So
that
that's
my
that's
my
concern.
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
an
inquiry
is
going
to
fix
that.
I
think
some
of
my
colleagues
may
be
working
on
a
motion
to
go
forward
at
council
to
speak
to
a
cap,
but
that
that's
the
frustration
here.
Maybe
it's
not
a
point
of
order.
P
P
C
P
B
Mr
chair,
it's
it's
jan,
I'm
just
thinking
that,
because
we've
got
two
very
different
opinions
and
probably
amongst
everybody,
I
see
here
more.
Why
don't
we
take
a
10
minute
break
and
have
this
the
appropriate
staff
have
a
conversation
and
then
come
back
to
us
is
where,
because
we
can
just
continue
with,
I
think
it
said
this,
but
let's
just
find
out
what
their
best
advice
is.
How
about
that?
Madam.
C
Cochair,
I
think,
that's
a
that's
a
very
good
idea.
I
would
also
like
mr
mark
to
take
away
the
question:
should
there
be
a
majority
of
dissenters
on
the
question
of
what
the
definition
of
a
principal
resident
is
residences?
What
does
that
do
to
this
bylaw?
I
think
that
this
committee,
this
joint
committee,
needs
to
be
very
well
informed
of
what
sort
of
decision
they're
going
to
be
making
if
we're,
if
we're,
also
going
to
have
people
dissenting
on
that
definition,.
C
G
C
C
B
C
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
say
that
I
do
apologize
and
staff
apologize
for
any
confusion
that
we
may
have
caused
with
any
members
of
the
committee.
That's
not
our
intent.
I
want
to
be
clear.
The
proposed
definition
of
principal
residence
is
that
it
has
to
be
someone's
home
that
that
is
where
they
reside.
H
That
is
how
that
is
a
key
element
of
the
permit
regime.
So
they
will
have
to
declare
that
that
is.
They
can
only
have
one
principal
residence
in
order
for
the
short-term
rental
permit.
They'll
have
to
declare
that
and
they'll
have
to
declare
that
they
meet
the
requirements
of
the
definition,
so
that
is
where
they
reside,
that
is
their
home.
H
Should
there
be
circumstances
where
either
through
complaints
through
enforcement
action
or
through
independent
investigation
through
web
surveillance,
that
leads
the
director
of
bylaw
and
regulatory
services.
To
think
that
this
is
not
actually
someone's
home
that
the
host
this
is
not
the
host
home,
they
have
provided
misleading
information,
then
the
director
will
be
able
to
take
action
and
investigate
again
the
host
the
director
will
be
able
to
put
conditions
on
that
permit
and
revoke
it
or
suspend
it
as
necessary.
H
C
P
Thanks
chair,
I
actually
don't
think
I
have
any
further
questions.
I
think
the
intent
of
the
definition
is
clear.
You
have
to
live
in
in
the
house
that
you're
renting
out.
I
think
if
we
were
to
put
in
place
a
cap
that
would
be
a
different
policy
direction
for
us.
It
is.
It
is
not
something
the
council
has
said
that
the
number
of
evenings
that
somebody
stays
in
a
short-term
rental
in
the
property
next
door
is
the
issue.
The
issue
is
absentee
property
owners
and
those
absentee
property
owners.
P
C
R
I
think
counselor
ed
right
to
raise
the
question,
because
when
I
asked
this
in
the
briefing
before
this
meeting,
staff's
response
was
similar
to
what
they've,
just
what
they've
just
said
to
us
in
coming
back,
and
I
think
that
that
does
make
sense
and
of
course,
it's
up
to
us
to
enforce
these
pieces.
Sometimes
enforcement
is
not
always
easy
and
you
have
to
do
other
digging
to
do
that,
but
it's
not
unlike
other
bylaws
that
we
already
have
in
terms
of
this,
our
own
enforcement
here.
R
So
I
would
say:
look
at
this
is
a
three
three-year
pilot
that
we're
putting
in
place.
I
think
we
need
to
see
how
this
goes
upon
implementation
and
if
there
is
a
need
to
come
back
and
make
some
changes
and
tweaks
to
this
afterwards,
then
let's
do
that
then
not
right
now
on
the
fly,
I
think
what
staff
have
put
in
places
is
the
right
measure.
Thanks
chair.
C
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
So,
first
off
I
want
to
apologize
for
being
a
bit
snappy,
especially
to
my
colleague,
counselor
leaper,
who
I
I
cut
off.
I
do
apologize
for
that
jeff
a
lot
on
my
plate
these
days,
and
you
know
I
do
appreciate
the
work
that
staff
did
on
the
break
and
but
just
for
for
for
clarification.
I'm
going
to
rephrase
the
question
that
the
chair
asked.
H
H
K
And
I
appreciate
that
answer
I
think
the
confusion
is
is
in
part
what
council
bernard
pointed
to
principal
residents
and
ordinarily
resident
sound
the
same,
but
they're
not
the
same,
and
and
so
I
think,
that's
where
the
confusion
is
coming
from.
But
what
you
seem
to
be
saying
now
is
the
person
needs
to
be
ordinarily
resident
in
that
property
and,
if
there's
suspicion
that
they're
not,
then
that
would
be
investigated
and
followed
up
on.
So
I
appreciate
that
interpretation
on
the
record
and-
and
I
thank
you
for
your
work.
E
The
problem
we
have
now
is
at
several
levels,
but
one
of
them
is
that
there
are
some
investors
groups
that
have
several
properties
that
they
rent
for
short
term,
and
this
is
regulated
in
many
ways
and
we
want
to
protect
the
community
and
protect
the
housing
stock,
the
rental
stock.
So
that
was
said
well
said
before
now
we're
getting
into
the
details
of
the
mechanism-
and
my
question
is
simple-
I
think
for
valerie
or
the
team.
E
If
my
spouse-
and
I
are
one
entity-
we
own
one
property-
if
we
purchase
a
second
property-
whether
it
is
our
main
or
primary
property-
and
we
agreed
to
have
this
on
a
platform-
a
short-term
rental-
and
we
rent
it
for
365
days,
whether
it's
me
or
her,
we
have
a
house
where
we
live
already,
but
we
would
have
a
second
property
that
will
be.
The
primary
resident
of
one
of
the
spouses
could
be
rented
for
365
days
on
a
platform
and-
and
we
both
agree
with
that-
would
that
be?
Would
that
be
allowed.
M
E
So
there
are
several
mechanism
here,
so
the
scalability
here
is
limited,
but
I
think
that's
a
factor
that
should
be
taken
into
consideration,
and
this
is
something
that
we'll
have
to
look
at
again
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
We
have
a
three-year
for
a
pilot,
but
for
now
I
think
it
is
in
line
with
the
goals
that
we
had
given
ourselves.
C
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
so
voting
will
roll
out
as
follows.
On
this
item
on
item
number
one,
we
will
vote
first
on
the
motion,
which
is
the
explanation,
requirements
on
item
number
one
and
then
on
item
number
one
as
amended,
and
then
we
will
vote
on
the
motion
to
correct
item
number
two
and
then
vote
on
that
report
as
amended.
C
B
O
G
C
B
B
Thank
you
to
staff
what
a
big
job
really
congratulations,
such
a
good
team
that
has
worked
on
this
and
I
know
it
all
started
with
counselor
deans
and
I
don't
even
know
how
many
years
ago
that
was
diane,
but
I
remember
distinctly
you
raising
this
and
we've
had
quite
the
story
since
then.
So
it's
really
really
good
that
we
we're
here
today.
You
know
hopefully
we'll
have
good
results
at
council
and
then
we'll
see
the
efforts
of
all
the
work
that's
gone
into
it.
So
thank
you
very
much.
We're
adjourned.