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Community Services Committee - March 28, 2023
A
D
A
A
E
F
E
Would
like
to
lift
the
item
please,
okay,
so
I
understand.
We
have
a
motion
on
if
the
committee
would
concur
to
lift
that
item
Indy
coordinator.
Could
we
do
that
with
concurrence
of
committee
as
opposed
to
a
vote?
Okay,
does
the
committee
concur
with
lifting
that
item
to
the
agenda?
Okay,
wonderful,
so
we'll
put
that
item
on
hold.
E
E
A
E
It's
just
a
list
of
the
inquiries
in
the
motion
that
they're
looking
at
still
okay.
Is
that
received
received
okay,
wonderful
7.1.
It
is
the
sale
of
naming
rights,
Canada,
Recreation
Complex.
We
don't
have
any
motions,
we
don't
have
any
presentations.
Did
someone
want
to
and
we
don't
have
any
delegations,
but
did
somebody
have
a
question
or
want
to
hold
that
item?
Can.
A
E
Okay,
so
we're
going
to
go
back
to
the
held
items
then
so
we'll
go
back
to
4.1.
That's
the
court
we'll
keep
going
through,
but
that's
at
the
end.
Okay,
we
were
just
going
through
the
consent
until
we
got
to
start
okay,
we'll
go
back
to
4.1.
That's
the
Court
ruling
on
Waterloo,
homeless,
encampment
and
I.
Understand
that
counselor
plant
had
a
question
about
this.
F
H
Through
you,
chair
on
behalf
of
Legal
Services
I
know,
Stuart
Huxley
is
just
logging
on
as
well
and
he
worked
on
the
inquiry
and
works
closely
with
bylaw
Services,
but
the
inquiry
does
look
at
other
municipalities
and
some
rulings.
It's
my
understanding
that
you
know
from
the
media.
Kingston
is
also
looking
at
this,
but
other
than
what
is
in
the
inquiry
response.
That's
the
extent
of
the
information
that
we
have
on
this
topic
at
this
time.
F
Thank
you,
I
just
wanted.
You
know,
because
there
is
a
robust
level
of
case
law
that
is
now
coming
out
of
British
Columbia
and
the
United
States
on
this
issue.
That
is
consistent
with
the
idea
that
you
know,
homes
provide
dignity
and
people
deserve
a
home.
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
that
was
also
taken
into
account
into
the
analysis
as
well.
Messi.
H
Through
you
chair,
the
charter
applies,
you
know
entirely
in
in
Canada,
however,
bylaws
are
here
by
the
municipality,
and
so
we
can
consider
what
other
provinces
have.
However,
what's
important
to
note
is
also
the
jurisdiction
and
the
application
of
Court
decisions,
and
so
Court
decisions
at
the
Superior
Court
in
Ontario
are
not
binding
on
other
provinces,
and
so
this
is
the
same
at
the
court
of
appeal
level,
and
so,
while
they
might
consider
other
decisions
from
other
provinces,
it's
really
the
Supreme
Court.
I
Thank
you
very
much,
chair
I
was
just
wondering,
so
it
seems
that
the
Waterloo
decision
hinged
on
the
fact
that
the
municipality
did
not
have
shelter
space
available
at
the
time.
So
I'm
just
curious.
What
tools
do
we
have
to
monitor
our
capacity
in
the
shelter
system
here
in
Ottawa,
and
how
would
we
find
out
as
a
committee
if
the
shelters
are
full
for
the
purpose
of
our
legal
obligations
when
it
comes
to
encampments.
H
You
know
situation,
so
the
assessment
also
included
the
incampment
in
question,
whether
you
know
the
the
use
of
the
land,
these
circumstances
of
the
residents
in
the
encampments
and
the
services
that
were
available.
If
you
know
adequacy
and
accessibility
to
shelters
and
I'll
hand
it
over
to
staff.
With
with
that
sort
of
framework
of
the
analysis.
J
Yeah,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
very
good
point
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
we
have
sufficient
capacity.
If,
when,
when
responding
to
people
who
are
unsheltered,
especially
if
dismantle
is
in
order
and
fortunately
in
Ottawa,
we
have
had
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
provide
sufficient
shelter
beds
for
people
who
want
to
come
inside.
That
has
always
been
a
guiding
principle
which
continues
today,
and
we
hope
that
we
will
be
able
to
continue
that
practice
in
the
future
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
A
system.
I
Thank
you
very
much
now.
I
know
that
our
shelter
system
is
provided
by
a
mix
of
different
organizations
contracted
out
by
the
city,
as
well
as
the
physical
distancing.
Centers
have
City
staff
in
them.
Do
we
have
any
sort
of
mechanism
for
comparing
contrasting
shelter
conditions?
I'll
just
tell
you
in
my
office
when
people
come
to
us
at
the
end
of
the
line
in
our
needing
shelter,
they
certainly
Express
fear
about
some
facilities
rather
than
others
in
terms
of
the
condition.
I
J
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Luckily,
in
Ottawa
we
have
what
we
call
Ottawa
shelter
standards
that
are
approved
that
were
approved
by
Council
and
and
certainly
encouraging
all
municipalities
to
have
these
standards
in
place,
and
so
shelters
are
expected
to
follow
basic
requirements
and
in
all
areas
of
functioning
of
of
the
shelter,
to
make
sure
that
that
safety
is
Paramount
in
in
that
the
operations
are
in
the
best
interest
of
the
clients
and
our
staff.
I
Sorry,
one
more
follow-up,
so
if,
if
we're
hearing
from
residents
that
they
have
experienced
conditions
that
they
don't
believe
to
be
acceptable,
because
I
know
that
one
of
the
concerns
with
the
Waterloo
encampment
were
you
know
in
the
Toronto
encampments
which
were
ultimately
dismantled
were
concerns
about
shelter
conditions.
Who
might
we
connect
with
what
is
the
process
for
reporting?
Because
you
know
people
who
are
experiencing
the
system
obviously
have
a
different
experience
than
people
who
are
managing
the
system.
So
what's
the
best
mechanism
for
reporting
up
that
experience.
J
Yes,
very
good
question
Madam
chair
the
the
best
process
would
be
to
to
communicate
with
Housing
Services
communicate
with
our
staff,
and
we
will
make
sure
that
we
follow
up
on
any
complaint
that
is
brought
forward
about
a
particular
organization
or
a
particular
program,
and
we
we
will
follow
up
to
make
sure
every
complaint
that
we
get.
We
follow
up
to
make
sure
that
that
it's
investigated
thoroughly.
J
K
K
So
if
you
have
an
encampment
in
your
city
and
the
shelters
are
full,
then
there
are
no
other
options
for
people
to
take
I'm
paraphrasing
the
Justice's
decision
here
and
if
people
don't
like
the
fact
that
there's
an
encampment
in
a
park
for
example-
and
they
feel
that
there
are
rights
to
enjoy
the
park,
are
being
infringed
upon.
That
does
not
Trump
someone's
right
to
housing
and
it's
very
clear,
very
clear
that
housing
trumps
many
other
rights.
K
We
think
we
have,
as
a
member
of
a
neighborhood
or
a
community,
and
so
municipalities
going
forward
will
have
to
ensure
that
all
available
options
are
exhausted
before
taking
action
against
encampment.
Should
that
be
erected
in
their
city,
but
is
a
very
interesting
conversation
and
we
had
someone
from
Waterloo
to
present
as
well.
There
were
some
technical
issues
which
he
will
follow
up
and
share
with
with
the
board
at
a
later
date,
but
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
this
morning.
F
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
a
bit
on
Council
truster's
comments
about
a
complaint
mechanism.
Auto
Inner,
City
Health
has
been
asking
for
several
years
for,
like
an
ombudsman
type
position
where
people
could
go
and
Report
complaints
and
in
like
an
impartial
manner,
they
would
be
looked
at
and
I
just
want
to
make
a
clarifying
comment
too
to
yourself
counselor
Brockington,
that
shelters
are
not
housing,
they
are
just
sort
of
keeping
people
overnight
and
then
in
the
morning
they
have
to
sort
of
fend
for
themselves.
Thank
you.
L
Counselor
Carr
hi
thanks
I,
just
wanted
to
get
some
clarification
from
staff.
I
heard
that
in
in
Ottawa
that
we
were,
we
have
shelter
capacity.
Have
we
over
the
past
three
years?
For
example,
have
we
ever
had
a
case
where
we
haven't
had
the
capacity
to
House
people
that
we've
either
sleeping
rough
in
the
street
that
we've
tried
to
house?
Have
we
ever
had
an
issue
where
shelters
are
at
capacity
and
and
what
steps
have
been
taken
in
order
to
ensure
that
anyone
that
wants
a
bed
can
have
one.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
to
to
my
knowledge,
and
thankfully,
we
have
not
been
in
a
situation
where
someone
was
refused
shelter,
for
example,
coming
to
a
shelter
door
asking
to
come
in
and
being
turned
away
because
they
could
not
accommodate
them.
I
just
want
to
say
that
our
community
shelters
are
doing
extraordinary
work
in
extraordinary
circumstances,
and
they
will
do
everything
they
can
to
make
sure
that
the
person
is
not
left
outside.
L
Can
I
just
ask
a
poem
yeah
so
and
just
a
point
of
clarification
in
your
current
triage
system
that
includes
the
shelter
system,
physical,
distancing,
centers,
there's,
never
a
case
where
anyone
is
turned
away
or,
and
just
the
corollary
to
that,
just
with
respect
to
encampments.
Is
there
any
proactive
work
that
is
being
done
when
meeting
with
folks
in
the
encampments
to
get
them
in
into
into
the
system
into
the
shelter
or
physical
distancing
Center?
L
J
Yes
and
again
to
to
the
question:
no,
we
we
don't
have
an
instance
where
someone
was
turned
away.
However,
people
may
choose
not
to
come
in,
which
is
which
is
different,
but
to
my
knowledge,
no
one
has
been
turned
away
in
that
in
that
situation,
with
respect
to
reaching
out
to
encampments.
So
we
have
Outreach
Services
that
are
are
reaching
out
to
people
who
are
in
campus.
They
identify
the
individuals
they
they
do
case
management
they
follow
up
on
on
their
needs.
J
L
What
does
that
mean
for
us
in
terms
of
breaking
up
the
encampments?
Do
we
have
the
like?
If
people
don't
want
to
go
into
the
system?
Is
the
outcome
of
the
decision
the
same
that
the
encampments
have
to
be
left?
Even
if
we
have
space
I
guess
is
my
question
and
maybe
that's
a
question
for
for
legal
I'm,
not
sure.
J
No
I
mean
we.
We
try
to
support
the
the
people
to
move
along
as
much
as
as
possible
and
to
and
to
take
the
time
required
to
find
more
suitable
housing.
There
may
be
some
some
circumstances
where
a
dismantle
may
be
required
due
to
safety
reasons
or
other
reasons,
but
we
really
try
to
balance
the
needs
of
the
community
and
the
needs
of
people
experiencing
homelessness
and
using
a
Humane
approach.
L
L
Yeah,
in
light
of
the
decision,
can
we
permit
encampments
in
the
case,
you
know
here
in
Ottawa
we
have
enough
space
in
the
shelter.
It's
not
the
same
system
where
we
haven't
it's
not
the
same
situation.
Where
we
haven't
had
the
space,
we
don't
have
the
space,
it's
my
understanding.
So
do
we
continue
to
permit
encampments
is
my
question:
if
we
have
the
spaces.
H
True
you
chair.
What
the
Waterloo
decision
tells
us
is
that
first,
we
use
the
reasonable
Outreach
and
support
efforts
that
staff
were
explaining
a
few
moments
ago
and,
second
of
all,
if
we
do
decide
that
you
know,
we've
done
the
reasonable
Outreach
and
supports
and
that
the
encampment
remains
and
and
individuals
wish
to
remain
in
the
encampment
and
I
think
it
becomes
a
staff
decision
to
look
at
what
the
Waterloo
decision
tells
us
in
terms
of
the
factual
assessment.
H
That
needs
to
be
done
so
not
just
the
shelter
space
and
and
determine
if
we're
comfortable
with
you
know,
being
able
to
satisfy
the
the
requirements
of
the
Waterloo
decision
and
determine
if
it's
best
to
evict
the
the
individuals
in
the
encampment
or
determine,
if
there's
a
risk
that
you
know,
a
similar
decision
would
be
issued
here
in
Ottawa.
Considering
the
facts
of
the
situation.
B
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
Steph,
and
thank
you
to
my
colleague
for
for
basing
this
it's
the
first
thing,
I
think
of
as
chair
of
Ottawa
Community
Housing
is
what
is
the
data
on
this
so
that
you
know
we
can
put
more
pressure
to
to
get
dollars
for
for
housing?
We
we
don't
want
to
put
people
in
shelters
and
I
just
want
to
know.
Are
we
monitoring
these
situations?
It
sounds
like
they're
going
to
pop
up
the
weather's.
Getting
better.
J
J
J
J
Yes,
because
every
person
who's
that
once
they're
identified
on
the
street
there's
Street
Outreach
workers
would
complete
the
centralized
wait
list
application
form
to
put
them
on
the
list
so
that
they
can
have
the
homeless
status
and
then
get
the
housing
benefits
and
so
on.
So
that's
part
of
the
paperwork.
Let's
just
say
that
needs
to
happen
and
that
our
staff
do
do.
J
H
G
Okay
and
then
would
I
be
correcting
my
interpretation
that
the
injunction
was
to
remove
the
encampment.
The
the
the
request
for
the
injunction
in
Waterloo
and
then
in
Toronto
Hamilton
was
to
request
the
removal
of
that
of
that
encampment,
and
then
it
failed
in
Waterloo
because
one
possibly
they
applied
and
a
bylaw
that
was
less
effective
and
then
two
that
reasonable
Outreach
and
efforts
to
support
these
people
was
not
provided
prior
to
seeking
that
injunction.
H
That
said
that
one
sentence
taken
on
its
own,
it
doesn't
really
represent
exactly
the
assessment
that
the
court
later
goes
on,
to
explain
and
to
sort
of
outline
the
considerations
that
should
be
taken
into
account,
but
I
think
that
that
very
fact
that
there
wasn't
enough
shelter
beds,
you
know,
did
help
answer
the
question
that
they
could
not
tear
it
down.
At
that
time.
H
So
the
decision
does
say
that
they
did
not
have
to
analyze
the
enjoyment
of
the
land
in
particular,
because
it
wasn't
a
park
in
this
case,
so
it
would
be.
You
know,
to
be
determined
how
a
court
might
rule
differently
if
it
was
a
park.
However,
councilor
brockington's,
pointing
out
of
of
life
and
Liberty,
perhaps
trumping
the
enjoyment
of
a
park
would
have
to
be
debated.
F
D
E
G
G
But
do
we
have
any
say
in
how
long
that
name
is
because
Tony
Graham,
Automotive,
Group,
Recreation
Complex
Canada,
is
arguably
a
little
long
and
and
Tony
Graham
I
think
is
enough
of
a
household
name
in
the
city
that
people
can
just
say.
Tony
Graham
know
that
we're
not
talking
about
Tony
Graham
the
person,
but
rather
Tony
Graham
the
corporation.
N
Thank
you
chair
generally.
Our
approach
is
to
negotiate
this
with
with
the
corporate
sponsor,
obviously
because
they
are
paying,
and
in
this
case,
a
million
dollars
over
10
years.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
this
is
part
of
their
marketing
part
of
their
their
branding
of
the
complex
to
to
meet
their
business
purposes.
N
N
We
can
ask,
certainly
we
can
ask
again,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
because
we
are
selling
them
the
naming
rights
and
it
is
to
be
of
optimal
benefit
to
them
to
do
this
this.
What's?
This
is
what
attracts
corporate
sponsors
to
us.
This
is
not
the
first
time
we
had
a
hard
time
getting
our
heads
around
Cardell
wreck,
for
example
a
couple
of
years
ago.
N
It
doesn't
necessarily
flow
off
the
tongue,
but
they
did
make
a
case
that
this
was
their
marketing
brand
in
Calgary,
where
they
did
a
similar
thing
and
they
insisted
on
it.
So
we
can
certainly
have
a
discussion
about
the
length
of
it
with
them,
but
I
I
have
to
tell
you
that
to
get
their
signature
on
a
contract,
it
may
well
be
their
preferred
name
that
we
go.
K
Thank
you.
Yes,
it's
their
money,
but
it's
our
building
in
a
community
that
we
serve
for
residents
of
the
West
End
of
the
city.
The
name
is
too
long.
I
understand
what
the
general
manager
stated,
but
there's
a
way
to
get
that
shortened.
I
think
we
have
to
give
that
some
serious
consideration
a
way
to
finesse,
whether
signage
on
the
interior
of
the
building
could
have
the
full
name.
K
If,
if
what
gets
printed
has
the
full
name,
but
just
that
outside
sign
and
and
how
we
refer
to
it,
I
think
could
be
shortened.
You
also
don't
want
people
to
think
that
this
is
actually
an
automotive
body
shop
when
people
answer
the
phone
and
get
confused
when
they
they
Google
it
and
get
an
address
and
they
show
up
and
it's
a
Rec
Center,
but
all
that
aside,
I'm
more
concerned
about
how
the
monies
get
dispensed
throughout
the
year.
K
N
So
you
know
the
basic
reason
that
we
set
about
doing
this
and
that
we
do
this
is
to
be
able
to
meet
that
unmet
Revenue
in
in
the
budget.
However,
since
2005
we've
also
come
to
realize
was
not
necessarily
part
of
the
initial
program
that
sponsors
want
to
see
their
money
in
action
for
Community
good,
especially
sponsors
like
Tony
Graham
that
have
been
you
know
into
philanthropy
and
and
supporting
Community
causes.
N
There
is
great
interest
and
great
attraction
to
being
able
to
have
some
of
their
sponsorship
dollars,
go
back
into
the
community,
so
in
this
case
and
staff
work
with
them
and
offer
them
a
variety
of
opportunities
to
sponsor
whether
it's
things
like
public
skating
or
participation
in
one
way
or
another.
In
this
particular
case,
we
landed
on
youth,
Fitness
access
for
youth
to
our
fitness
spaces
during
the
summer
months,
and
a
good
portion
of
the
money
that
you
see
identified
there
will
be
going
to
to
offset
the
Lost
revenue
from
that.
N
The
other
part
that
we
have
learned
over
the
years
is
that
the
local
community,
because
their
facilities
now
has
a
sponsor,
is
hoping
to
see
some
return,
and
so
there
is
a
provision
in
there
that
site
and
that
facility
our
host
of
things
like
Canada
Day
and
various
Community
celebrations.
So
there
is
money
there
to
to
support
a
more
local
initiative
on
an
annual
basis.
The
other
portion
is
upfront
activation.
N
This
some
funds
will
be
required
to
as
as
counselor
you
mentioned,
changing
the
signs
internally
and
externally
to
the
building,
and
even
though
the
sponsor
will
be
responsible
for
most
of
that,
there
are
always
incidentals
that
at
least
in
the
first
first
year
or
two
will
require
some
City
funding.
The
rest
of
it
is
really
applied
against
a
gap
of
it's
probably
in
the
area
of
800
000
of
unmet
sponsorship,
Revenue
that
that
the
department
holds
we
are
seeing
the
market
come
back.
This
is
a
good
indication.
K
N
K
N
A
good
portion
of
the
building,
the
the
non-arena
part,
was
in
almost
unusable
shape
for,
for
a
period
of
time,
the
first
renovation
created
large
public
spaces,
upstairs
large
rooms,
meeting
rooms,
Community
programming
rooms,
and
there
is
more
work
to
do
which
phase
three
of
isip
funded
will
be
starting
this
year.
This.
K
N
Chair
not
for
Capital
purposes,
these
are
operating
purposes.
These
are
operating
funds
that
come
into
the
City
and
disappear
at
the
end
of
each
year.
So
there
are
a
few
thousand
dollars
made
available
to
the
local
community
to
support
Community
animation,
but
the
funding
is
not
going
towards
the
sponsorship.
Funding
is
not
going
towards
Capital
Renovations
of
any
significance.
There
may
be
things
like
equipment
that
supports
programming
those
kinds
of
things,
but
by
and
large
we're
talking
about
Opera
supportive
programming.
K
N
K
I
only
raise
this
Madam
chair,
because
when
we,
when
the
city
sells
land
in
River,
Ward
I
always
ask,
can
we
dedicate
part
of
the
proceeds
to
riverward
needs?
The
answer
is
no.
When
private
billboard
owners
sign
agreements
with
the
city
and
I
need
to
sign
off
on
those
I
always
ask:
can
part
of
those
proceeds
go
towards
River
Ward
needs?
The
answer
is
always
no.
K
So
when
I
see
a
motion
like
this
before
us,
where
a
center
that
is
much
younger,
that's
been
renovated
a
few
times
and
I
want
to
generalize
a
community
that
can
afford
to
pay
for
Recreation
services
and
their
community
centers
in
the
city
that
have
not
had
that
same
treatment.
That's
a
concern
for
me
because
I
don't
think
it's
an
equitable
distribution
of
those
funds.
It's
not
a
large
portion,
we're
talking
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
over
10
years,
but
I
am
interested
in
youth
programming
opportunities.
K
E
And
just
and
just
for
my
clarity,
I
have
a
quick
question.
Then
we
have
aging
facilities
across
the
city
and
you
know
once
again
we
know
of
many
opportunities
that
have
had
happened
already
and
that
will
have
in
the
future
for
the
sale
of
naming
rights.
My
question
is:
is
that
did
Tony
Graham
Automotive?
Did
this
Corporation
specifically
want
this
facility?
Is
that
why
this
was
selected,
or
was
this
something
that
was
consulted
with
them
with
a
couple
of
options
on
the
table.
N
Thank
you
chair.
The
city
does
have
options
of
available
facilities
that
were
approved
as
part
of
the
initial
sponsorship
program
report
and
Canada
Recreation
Complex
is,
is
one
of
them.
There
are
a
host
of
others.
Almost
every
facility
of
notable
size
that
doesn't
have
a
commemorative
name
attached
to
it
is,
is
on
there.
N
In
this
case,
staff
did
present
them
with
some
options.
Canada
Rec
Center
is
very
close
to
the
Kanata
car
dealerships
in
that
area,
and
so
this
fits
their
area
of
Interest
where
they
want
to
profile
their
their
corporate
name
and
at
the
end,
this
is
what
they
selected
as
as
the
naming
rights
they
want
to
purchase.
Okay.
N
F
Just
to
repeat
in
English
so
Elizabeth
Graham,
who
was
his
wife,
was
an
equally
impressive
woman.
She
raised
the
children
she
cared
for
her
husband
when
he
was
having
dementia
she's
raised
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
for
dementia,
and
only
13
of
our
community
of
our
city.
Amenities
are
named
after
women
that
include
streets,
libraries,
Parks,
community,
centers,
rinks
Etc.
So
my
question
then,
through
the
chair
is,
is
there
a
way
we
can
ask
the
organization
if
we
can
include
Elizabeth's
name,
although
I
understand
it
will
lengthen
the
name
of
the
community
center?
F
N
N
We
have
had
discussions
on
commemoration
with
with
this
family
and
they
are
interested
outside
of
the
sponsorship
in
looking
at
commemorating
the
family
name
in
a
broader
way,
and
that
is
a
discussion
that
we've
taken
to
in
into
another
file
and
would
like
to
come
back
here.
Should
it
lead
to
to
positive
results.
F
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
Mr
shenyi
through
you,
the
chair,
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
what
the
process
is,
but
there
is
there
a
way
by
which
we
can
go
back
to
the
family
in
some
official
I.
Don't
know
if
we
have
to
officialize
it
right
here
today
to
ask
if
we
can
put
Elizabeth's
name
on
the
commem
on
the
naming
of
the
community
center.
D
E
Something
within
the
realm
of
council
to
decide
and
determine
we
consult
with
the
community.
We
we
can
change
the
dynamic
we've
determined
that
we
don't
have
enough
of
our
community,
represented
in
those
names,
whether
it's
regarding
gender
or
racialized
communities
or
other
communities
that
we
represent,
and
we
certainly
have
changed
the
way
we've
looked
at
that
this
is
a
this
is
the
sale
of
naming
rights
to
a
corporation.
This
is
a
marketing
tool
that
corporations
use.
E
So,
while
I
would
say
that
could
be
an
offhand
thing,
the
counselor
is
more
than
welcome
to
reach
out
to
the
corporation
and
see,
if
they're
coming
forward
and
asking
for
a
name
so
that
they
can
Market
their
brand,
so
they
can
generate
more
money
for
their
company
and
then
in
turn,
potentially
raise
more
money
to
put
into
our
own
facilities.
I,
don't
see
any
problem
with
that.
It's
unfortunate.
E
The
name
is
a
little
long,
I'm
sure
that
residents
in
the
community
will
come
up
with
their
own
nicknames
because
we've
seen
that
in
other
cases,
but
you
know,
for
instance,
my
own
Community.
We
recently
renamed
the
Blackburn
Arena,
the
lowest
Camp
Arena
after
a
phenomenal,
pioneering
icon
in
ring
at
and
women's
sports
and
the
community,
so
we're
on
the
trajectory
to
name
more
facilities
after
women.
We
will
see
that
through
the
Commandment.
E
Forgive
me
through
the
commemorative
naming
process,
but
in
this
case
we
have
a
corporation
that
wants
to
give
the
city
money,
save
taxpayers
some
cash
and
put
money
into
youth
programming.
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
that
we
have
any
problem
with
this,
so
what
I
would
suggest
is
if
the
counselor
wants
to
reach
out
to
them
that
we
do.
We
do
that.
Thank
you.
Counselor
Carr.
L
Thanks
very
quickly,
and
thank
you
for
that
explanation,
chair
well,
I'm,
certainly
no
fan
of
privatization
in
any
sort
of
any
public
amenities.
I
do
see
the
value
in
terms
of
Revenue
generation
for
the
city.
With
respect
to
this
I'm,
not
a
huge
fan
of
of
continuing
to
raise
taxes,
I
find
that
property
taxes
are
progressive,
form
of
Taxation,
so
I
certainly
accept,
except
that
we
need
to
do
things
like
this.
My
question
is
actually
with
respect
to
staff
on
the
naming
rights
program.
L
I
understand-
and
perhaps
this
is
an
inquiry
I
understand
this
program's
been
in
place
for
a
number
of
years
and
I
think
it's
been
used
for
for
Lansdowne
many
of
our
community
centers.
If
I
was
interested
in
understanding
the
revenues
that
are
generated
from
that
program,
is
it
best
to
put
in
an
inquiry
more
because
I
didn't
there
wasn't
any
background
information
offered
with
this
committee?
I
still
consider
myself
to
be
new
I.
N
N
It
has
the
sponsorship
stream
that
we're
talking
about
today,
and
it
has
an
advertising
stream
and
we
we
do
produce
on
an
annual
basis,
a
report
that
itemizes
both
the
the
cash
value
and
the
in-kind
value
of
what
we
receive
from
sponsors
and
advertisers
and
I'd
be
glad
to
provide
your
office
with
last
year's,
which
gives
you
a
fairly
from
year
to
year
it.
It
does
not
significantly
vary,
but
we
can
certainly
provide
members
of
the
committee
with
all
of
that
information.
It's
readily
available,
yeah.
P
Can
staff
comment
on
how
they
intend
to
distribute
that.
Will
it
be
an
application
program?
Will
it
be
in
every
city
facility?
Will
it
just
be
if
someone
who's
between
the
ages
of
13
and
17
signs
up
for
a
membership?
It's
free
and
is
the
intention
for
that
to
be
annual
for
the
next
10
years
for
the
length
of
the
sponsorship.
N
Thank
you
chair.
We
will
promote
this
and
all
of
our
facilities
to
to
make
sure
that
it's
widely
available,
of
course,
as
youth
come
to
get
a
membership
for
the
summer,
there
would
be
no
cost
sign
up
would
be
the
usual
you
know
through
each
facility,
then
generally
this.
This
is
an
in-person
transaction,
because
membership
cards
require
a
photograph
to
go
on
your
on
your
card,
so
we
will
promote
it.
N
P
Great,
thank
you.
So
how
did
you
arrive
at
that?
35?
000
number.
Is
that
typically,
what
we
see
in
revenue
from
that
age
group
and
if
that's
like,
if
the,
if
it's
more
popular
than
we
expect
well,
we
is
it.
A
first
come
first
serve
like
just
trying
to
get
a
better
understanding,
because
I
think
it
will
be
popular.
N
We
arrived
at
it
by
looking
at
the
current
membership
and
assuming
that,
if
it
was
free
there
would
there
would
be
an
uptake
in
in
in
taking
taking
it
on
and
again
we
will
Monitor
and
see
how
you
know
it
could
be
that
we
get
twice
as
twice
as
many
as
that
or
or
half
so
so
we
really
don't
know
we
had
to
make
calculation
for
the
purpose
of
of
getting
this
going.
We'll
get
a
good
indication.
N
Those
those
kinds
of
things
it's
still
a
fairly
limited
market
in
terms
of
a
summer
activity
for
youth
who
generally
have
summer
jobs
all
those
other
things,
but
we
think
other
organizations
have
tried
I've
tried
this
I
believe
GoodLife
did
it
last
year
or
the
year
B
for
and
they
did
not
see
a
huge
kind
of
Groundswell
of
people's
getting
memberships.
But
we're
happy
to
report
back
as
well
on
how
we're
doing
in
terms
of
the
uptake
of
this
and
whether
it's
it's
as
we
anticipated
or
or
otherwise,.
Q
Q
This
is
a
file
Recreation,
that
more
often
than
not
when
we
we
opened
our
binders
it's
or
open
our
our
our
e-devices.
You
know
not
enough
swimming
spaces,
not
enough
ice
time,
not
enough
soccer
fields,
not
enough
pickleball
and
the
list
goes
on
and
on
and
on-
and
you
know
this
is
a
tremendous
opportunity
to
to
really
bolster
our
facilities
and
our
and
our
program
so
I'm
thrilled
to
see
it
and
having
been
here
for
for
some
time
these
these
don't
come
often
very
often
Mr
Shania.
N
Area,
it's
it's
a
fairly
rare
occasion
and
with
the
pandemic
it
became
even
rarer,
because
the
eyes
on
the
facility
are
are
the
key
thing
and
when
that
decreases
so
does
the
value
of
these.
So
we
are
in
recovery
phase
and
we're
starting
to
see
interest
now,
but
million
dollar
deals
are
few
and
far
apart.
Yeah.
Q
That's
fantastic
and
as
a
hockey
and
soccer
Dad,
when
I'm
with
my
kids,
you
know
in
Ottawa
and
across
eastern
Ontario
and
across
Ontario.
We
see
this
kind
of
sponsorship,
whether
that
be
companies
or
unions
coming
forward
and
I
often
hear
from
parents.
You
know
why
doesn't
the
city
do
more
of
this
so
that
we
can
stretch
our
resources
to
to
do
more
for
the
public?
Q
So
I
want
to
just
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you've
done
on
this
file
and
and
make
it
a
positive
experience
for
Tony
gramick
Automotive,
because
the
work
we're
doing
today
will
hopefully
attract
other
companies.
It
could
be
a
company,
it
could
be
a
union
to
come
forward
and
and
do
more
for
the
residents
of
the
city
of
Ottawa.
So
I
just
want
to
go
on
record,
saying
thank
you
to
Tony
Brandt
Automotive
for
their
Investments
that
hopefully
will
approve
today.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
chair
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
comments
earlier.
It
actually
reminded
me
of
a
conversation
that
that
came
up
around
the
time.
We
were
building
stage
one
LRT
when
there
was
a
proposal
to
shorten
the
name
of
Tony's
pasture
to
Tunis
and
it.
The
argument
that
I
made
at
the
time
was
that
we
should
keep
the
formal
name
and
then
people
showing
it
on
their
own.
So
I
do
want
to
thank
you
for
bringing
that
back
up,
and
that
was
the
it's
just
a
comment.
Thanks.
R
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
thank
you
for
having
us
on
the
agenda
today.
I
want
to
start
by
thanking
Dan,
chanye
and
a
staff
for
all
the
work
on
this
I
want
to
share
with
my
colleagues
that
this
just
didn't.
Pop
up,
Dan
and
I
have
been
working
on
a
sponsorship
agreement
for
this
location.
For
literally
years,
we
were
very
close
to
closing
a
deal
just
pre-pandemic
and
then,
when
we
shut
down
all
the
facilities
and
as
you
know,
businesses
closed
and
everything
during
the
pandemic.
R
That
opportunity
was
put
aside
and-
and
so
now
here
we
are
today
with
something
for
the
community.
I
can
tell
you
that
we
I've
talked
about
the
sponsorship
program
for
years
at
public
events
in
the
community
and
explained
to
Residents
that
this
was
the
only
way
that
or
one
of
the
best
ways
for
us
to
get
upgrades
to
our
facilities
and
not
have
to
go
to
the
tax
base
to
get
it.
R
Although
I'm
going
to
pause
here
and-
and
let
you
know
chair,
that
I
did
great
exception
to
a
counselor's
comments
that
the
people
of
Canada
have
enough
of
their
own
money.
So
they
don't
need
corporate
sponsorship
or
tax
dollars.
That
I
think
will
debate
later,
but
it
was
a
very
offensive
comment
that
50
000
people
in
the
city
that
are
taxpayers-
and
you
know
we
have
people
in
affordable
housing.
We
have
a
shelter
out
here.
R
We
can't
take
every
single
resident
and
start
charging
them
to
fix
roads
and
rec
centers
that
are
in
need
of
repair,
because
someone
else
feels
that
they
were
well
off
out
here.
Going
back
to
this
particular
issue,
Tony
Graham
Automotive
is
a
nearby
business.
You
can
obviously
see
it
from
the
rooftop
of
the
KRC.
R
His
family
is
as
councilor
Platt
mentioned.
His
family
is
well
known
in
the
city,
the
great
citizens,
and
we
appreciate
that
they
and
we're
honored
that
they
want
to
lend
their
name
to
this
facility
and
assist
us
in
building
a
future
for
this
former
I.
Do
that
I
can't
remember
who
asked,
but
this
was
built
in
the
80s.
The
actual
land
at
a
time
was
amassed
by
the
original
mayor.
Some
might
remember
her
as
a
former
counselor
Marion
Wilkinson.
So
this
has
a
long
history
in
our
community.
R
We
do
our
Canada
Day
celebration
here,
where
we
get
anywhere
from
30
to
40
000
people
on
site
for
Canada
day.
It's
been
occurring
there
for
well
pre-amalgamation,
and
so
it's
an
honor
to
get
this
name
in
here,
so
that
we
can
wrap
up
or
get
started
on
a
few
projects
that
will
benefit
the
area.
I
also
want
to
explain
why
it's
important
that
we
get
going
with
the
naming
here.
R
When
there's
hockey
tournaments
at
Walter,
Baker
Center
in
Bear
Haven,
sometimes
they
show
up
at
the
Canada
Rec
Center,
which
is
Walter
Baker
park
and
it
or
vice
versa.
Where
are
people
supposed
to
be
in
Canada
and
they're,
going
to
firehaven
so
much
so
that
staff
have
a
paper
on
hand
that
they
hand
out
to
people
that
have
directions
to
the
other
facility
on
it?
So
it's
an
ongoing
problem.
It's
not
just
one
or
two
people.
R
It's
it's
a
it's
a
conflict
and
anybody
that's
ever
taken
their
kids
to
a
hockey
tournament
know
that
they
don't
need
that
extra
stress
in
their
life
during
that
period.
So
anything
we
can
do
to
help
such
as
putting
another
name
on
this
facility
is
going
to
help,
and
so
I
think
the
chair
mentioned.
What
does
happen
in
this
case
here?
R
This
was
known
as
the
Canada
rec
center,
but
the
community
shortened
it
to
KRC
and
that
that
was
the
acronym
that
was
used
a
lot
for
here,
I'm
sure
something
will
come
of
this
name.
People
will
find
a
way
to
manage
it.
I,
don't
think
it's
up
to
us
as
politicians
to
do
that
for
them.
Let's,
let's
just
see
what
the
where
the
community
goes
with
it.
R
What
I
think
the
the
community
will
appreciate
a
lot
is
the
investment
in
the
area,
the
and
the
youth,
the
contribution
towards
the
youth
program
and
across
the
city
I
support
that
I
I
I,
give
kudos
to
Dan
and
the
staff
for
for
figuring
these
things
out.
I
also
want
to
point
out
Madam
chair
that,
with
references
to
the
the
naming
of
this
being
a
male
gender
versus
female,
we
have
a
lot
of
parks
in
Canada
South
named
after
females.
R
Many
of
them
I've
done
myself
or
been
a
part
of
there's
Laura
DuBois
Park
was
our
most
recent
one
that
we
did
There's
Hope
cluche
Park,
there's
Christina
kiss
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
her.
She
was
on
the
women's,
the
national
women's
soccer
team
and
scored
a
rare
goal
for
a
king
Canada
on
there
and
we
and
she's
a
young
lady.
That's
in
she
doesn't
live
in
this
area
anymore,
but
she's
been
to
the
park.
R
She
was
there
when
we
did
the
naming
and
it
really
helps
young
people
in
the
community
know
that
it's
possible
to
succeed
in
in
sports
at
a
national
level.
When
they
hear
her
story,
we
also
have
a
my
account
six
parks
that
are
named
after
families,
so
we
I
think
we're
doing
our
part
to
it
might
not
be
balanced
because
there's
less
products
named
after
men,
but
we're
doing
our
part
to
make
sure
that
the
people
that
are
deserving
and
the
families
that
are
deserving
of
recognition
are
getting
it.
R
So
I
I,
don't
know
if
those
same
stats
would
apply
and
across
the
city.
That's
something
for
each
of
you
to
figure
out
yourself
for
your
your
areas,
but
I'm,
quite
proud
of
the
gender
balance
that
we've
got
out
here
in
Canada,
South
I.
Think
Madam,
chair,
I've,
covered
off
everything
that
has
got
mentioned
there.
R
Oh
Dan
mentioned
that
what
the
money
might
get
used
for
locally
in
the
first
year,
what's
going
to
do
is
help
with
the
Canada
Day
Celebrations
going
to
actually
pay
for
the
rental
of
the
stage
that
and
that's
going
to
help
a
community
group.
That's
beating
up
a
volunteers
to
put
on
this
annual
event.
It's
going
to
help
them
a
lot,
because
the
money
will
be
available
for
them
up
front.
They
won't
have
to
go
out
and
raise
that
piece,
so
hopefully
more
money
can
go
into
programming.
R
E
N
It
will
be
across
the
city,
the
the
KRC
actually
does
not
have
a
fitness
facility,
but
there
are
Fitness
facilities
of
nearby
Canada
Leisure
Center
Hunt,
Club
Riverside
and
councilor
Brockington
Bob
McCrory
in
in
Europe.
So
any
City,
Class,
A
or
B
fitness
facility
that
is
in
a
city
building,
will
be
eligible
for
this.
P
No,
it
was
more
about
the
allocation
of
the
thirty
five
thousand
dollars,
I'm
just
wondering
if
staff
would
accept
his
direction,
that
any
program
that
they
create
to
allocate
These
funds
would
be
barrier
free,
so
no
application
process
for
those
youth.
It
would
just
be
that
if
they
are
at
a
qualifying
facility
within
that
age
bracket
that
they
would
get
the
free
Fitness
pass.
P
So
when
you're,
when
you're
determining
how
you're
going
to
create
whatever
program,
this
would
be
for
a
youth
to
have
free
memberships,
that
there
would
not
be
an
application
process.
So
a
youth
would
not
have
to
apply
for
a
free
membership.
They
would
apply
for
membership,
how
they
would
normally
apply
for
a
membership
and
if
they
qualify
in
that
age
range
at
a
facility
that
is
part
of
this
program.
They
would
just
get
it.
P
So
it's
not
like
a
a
hand-in-hand
program
where
there's
a
subsidy
or
an
equipass
where
they
have
to
make
an
application
for
a
low
income
or
whatever
it
might
be
just
if
they
are
13
to
17
years
old
at
a
facility.
That's
offering
this
free
pass,
they
come
and
apply
as
normal
and
there's
no
additional
barrier
to
access.
The
free
membership
agreed.
N
E
Thank
you
wonderful,
so
is
this
item
carried
carried
wonderful
good
discussion,
though
everyone
I
think
it
was
important
that
we
kind
of
delve
into
that
a
little
bit
further
item
number
9.1
is
an
ipd
originally
distributed.
It
was
used
to
delegated
authority
during
2021
by
the
community
and
Social
Services
Department.
E
Wonderful
and
that
item
is
just
for
notice
or
just
for
information
item
10.1.
That
is
the
motion
that
was
brought
forward
by
Council
plon
about
private
security
used
in
and
around
shelters.
I
understand
that
counselor
plant
in
her
introduction
of
this
has
a
presentation
that
she
wanted
to
speak
to.
I
will
just
clarify
that
we'll
keep
to
the
five
minutes.
Of
course
I
know.
We
also
have
a
delegation
as
well
too
rectum.
A
F
Mod
thank
you
for
being
here.
This
is
a
very
sort
of
large
issue,
that's
happening
in
around
the
city,
but
then
in
a
more
Niche
aspect
is
happening
and
mushrooming
in
and
around
Ward
12.
So
it's
sort
of
the
use
of
private
Securities,
Private
Security
in
and
around
our
shelters
and
with
me
today.
I
also
have
Paul
Stamm
and
Sebastian
de
May,
who
are
our
constables
in
the
byword
market,
and
they
will
speak
more
to
the
operational
side
after
my
presentation
is
done,
mercedesla.
F
F
We
have
them
around
construction
sites,
hospitals
if
you've
ever
gone
to
a
concert
or
a
festival,
a
post-secondary
institutions
that
includes
also
the
colleges
osei
principal
condos
and
apartments
OCH-
has
their
own
version
of
security,
bars
and
restaurants
and
for
the
purpose
of
today's
presentation,
shelters
next
slide
everything:
okay,
okay,
so
a
bit
of
the
legal
framework
around
this
issue,
so
private
security
companies
are
not
subject
to
the
Charter.
The
charter,
section
32
of
the
charter,
says
that
the
charter
applies
to
government
action.
F
Therefore,
the
charter
is
not
intended
to
govern
relations
between
private
actors.
So
in
this
case,
obviously,
a
private
security
company
is
a
private
actor,
the
leading
case-
and
this
is
R
versus
buhay,
which
is
the
Supreme
Court
of
Canada
adjudicated
in
2003
in
British
Columbia.
In
this
case,
the
court
found
that
private
security
guards
who
conducted
a
search
on
a
bus
depot
storage
locker,
were
not
acting
as
agents
of
the
police
when
they
search
the
locker.
F
F
Police
are
obligated
to
respect
an
individual's
Charter
rights,
including
the
right
of
free
and
unreasonable
search
and
seizure,
Section,
8,
arbitrary
detention,
section
9
rights
to
council,
section
10,
and
they
get
training
on
these
rights
and
are
liable
to
be
cross-examined
on
how
they
have
handled
a
particular
situation.
The
remedy
can
be
that
the
evidence
gathered
is
excluded
or
the
whole
cases
stayed
thrown
out
there
in
there
are
internal
disciplinary
measures
under
the
police
services
act,
and
we
have
people
who
are
in
this.
E
F
F
So
we
have
like
I
said
we
have
a
lot
of
Private
Security
in
and
around
our
shelters
in
the
downtown
core.
There
was
a
recent
Auto
Inner
City
Health
recent
did
a
sort
of
survey
or
sort
of
working
group
with
some
of
their
users,
and
it
was
described.
The
private
security
would
describe
this
way:
participants,
Describe
the
impact
of
interactions
with
security
guards
who
work
in
shelters
and
stress
the
importance
of
providing
better
training,
supervision
and
expectations
of
compassion
when
dealing
with
their
clients.
F
There
are
many
disturbing
descriptions
in
their
response
to
people
suffering
from
symptoms
of
mental
illness
and
the
role
in
making
the
impacts
of
trauma
worse
through
their
actions.
This
was
noted
to
be
a
particular
concern
to
women
who
generally
describe
feeling
unsafe
in
the
presence
of
security
guards.
There
was
a
lengthy
discussion
about
the
kinds
of
training
which
are
needed,
an
agreement
that
clients
would
be
willing
to
help
with
the
development
of
training
materials.
Next
slide.
F
So,
like
I
said
in
the
beginning,
we
have
a
whole
array
panoply
of
Private,
Security
Options
in
and
around
the
city,
not
just
in
my
ward.
I
wanted
to
sort
of
highlight
two
of
them.
So
Neptune
is
a
private
security
company.
They
are
currently
under
investigation
by
the
Quebec
government
because
of
their
hold
on
one
second,
because
of
they
managed
an
immigration
detention
center
and
according
to
cbsa,
their
work
jeopardized.
F
Some
of
the
things
I
hear
often
and
we
sort
of
just
address
this-
is
that
we
can't
talk
about
this
because
it's
you
know
it
has
to
do
with
policing,
or
this
is
the
right
Forum,
but
it
is
a
bit
of
a
I.
I
would
actually
acknowledge
that
it
is
a
bit
of
a
murky
case
because
we
Shield
security
was
heavily
involved
in
the
application
to
move
the
Salvation
Army
from
the
byword
market
in
the
planning
application
to
Montreal
Road.
F
They
recorded
over
10
000
incident
report
reports
between
2017
and
2022
I'm
happy
to
share
those
incident
reports
with
you
and
I
I
this.
This
was
a
a
planning
application
that
had
gone
in
in
the
previous
Council
and
then
it
was
approved
and
then
the
plan
was
to
go
forward
on
Montreal
Road
I'm,
not
all
that
thrilled
with
Shield
security.
But
that
is
another
discussion.
F
For
another
day
in
June,
2022
Housing
Services
received
a
subsequent
direction
to
ensure
that
any
future
funding
contracts
between
the
city
of
Ottawa
and
Salvation
Army
include
the
provision
of
24
7
on-site
security,
with
an
active
neighborhood
Patrol
to
provide
supports
and
responses
within
a
two-block
radius
of
the
facility.
Currently,
Shield
security
is
sort
of
I,
don't
want
to
say,
holding
the
neighborhood
a
bit
hostage,
but
because
there's
been
some
funding
Cuts
because
of
a
coveted
contract
they
got,
they
are
not
patrolling
the
site.
F
24
hours
a
day,
they're
only
patrolling
from
I
believe
it's
like
nine
to
five
they're,
not
patrolling
at
night
anymore,
so
it
seems
like
security
guards
are
taking
over
some
of
the
duties
that
police
officers
normally
do.
We
have
no
idea
what
kind
of
training
they're
getting
we
don't
know
the
extent
of
their
powers.
We
don't
know
if
they
take.
We
don't
even
know
if
we
take
notes,
which
is
why
I
was
hoping
we
could
do
a
direction.
F
E
So,
just
just
for
clarity,
we
have
a
motion
on
the
floor.
It
is
a
motion
that
you
presented
as
I
noticed,
emotion,
the
last
time
so,
if
you're
going
to
I
just
for
clarity
of
your
intention,
are
you
looking
still
for
to
discuss
this
motion,
or
are
you
looking
to
replace
it
with
a
direction?
We
would
need
concurrence
of
the
committee
to
go
for
that.
E
Would
hesitate
to
bring
forward
a
direction
until
we
have
some
conversation
with
our
best,
because
we
still
are
looking
at
the
motion
as
it
stands
on
the
floor
that
was
presented
before
wonderful.
Thank
you
for
that
clarification.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
I
will
now
ask
our
our
delegation,
our
constables,
Lemay
and
stem
and
I
will
just
clarify
once
again.
This
is
Community
Services
committee,
so
once
again
in
the
realm
of
the
conversation
of
and
this
committee's
mandate,
so
it's
not
necessarily
about
policing.
E
S
E
I'm
gonna
I
just
want
to
make
really
clear
and
I
think
this
might
be.
This
is
our
second
committee
and
the
first
one
was
45,
plus
delegations
long
was
budget.
This
is
our
second
one.
I
will
just
say
that
that
going
forward
I
will
absolutely
be
adamant
that
committee
discussions
remain
within
the
scope
of
this
committee.
We
have
a
very
important
committee.
It
impacts
so
many
people
in
our
city.
E
It
has
one
of
I
think
it
has
the
largest
budget
and
it
has
many
many
implications
for
the
decisions
we
make
on
people
and
their
well-being.
So
I
really
do
appreciate
where
we're
going
with
this,
but
I
will
say
that
if
you
can
direct
your
questions
to
this
committee
proper,
because
if
it's
matters
of
policing
that
belongs
at
the
police
board,
because
that
is
very
separate
from
our
ability
to
influence
her
so
I
will
let
you
go
ahead
with
that,
but
I'll
just
say
for
for
future.
But
okay,
please
proceed.
F
S
All
of
those
stakeholders
Madam
chair,
we
definitely
are
in
communication,
with
on
a
almost
daily
basis.
There
are
some
scheduled
meetings,
either
weekly
or
monthly,
with
those
different
stakeholders,
but
on
any
given
day
responsible
salmon
myself
make
ourselves
available
to
address
those
stakeholders
needs.
So
again
it
can
vary
between
once
or
twice
a
day
to
you
know
several
times
a
week.
S
So
that
would
be
likely
up
to
the
security
companies
to
to
speak,
but
as
a
police
officer,
I
have
seen
them
engage
on
on
those
examples
that
you're
giving
depending
on
the
security
company
and
the
Mandate
that
they're
given
by
the
shelter
that
hires
them
there
might
be
some
training
into.
Obviously,
first
aid
and
administering
Narcan
for
say,
overdoses,.
A
S
E
You
ever
do
you
know:
I'm
gonna
cut
in
and
I
I
apologize
for
coming
in
I,
think
everybody's
still
figuring
out
the
committee
process
and
everything,
but
I
don't
believe
that
we're
in
order
here
in
respect
to
this
typically
delegations
will
come
and
speak
and
do
a
presentation
on
their
thoughts,
their
expertise
and
those
things.
It's
not
a
matter
of
them
coming
and
then
we
we
asking
them
questions.
We
ask
them
questions
based
on
their
presentation
to
us.
So
what
I'm?
What
I
would
like
to
know
is.
F
M
A
E
E
F
Please
go
go
ahead
direction
that
the
general
manager
of
community
and
Social
Services
Department
be
directed
to
continue
the
work
with
auto
Public
Health
on
the
processes
used
together
any
available
data
of
drug
paraphernalia
from
relevant
sources
by
leveraging
existing
systems
and
report
back
to
community
service
committee
and
council.
With
the
results
of
these
discussions.
E
I'm
going
to
ask
staff,
have
you
worked?
You've
worked
with
the
counselor
on
this
is.
Can
you
provide
some
insight
because
I
know
there
was
some
question
in
respect
to
public
Ottawa
Public
Health
being
mentioned
in
this,
and
they
also
can't
take
direction
from
us.
So
can
you
provide
some
clarity
around
this
Direction,
please
and
if
you're
in
support
and
whether
you've
worked
with
Ottawa
Public
Health
on
this.
T
T
The
actual
removal
of
that
paraphernalia
in
community
is
the
purview
of
Ottawa,
Public,
Health
and
governed
by
the
Health
Board.
The
auto
Public
Health
Board
Auto
Public
Health,
has
indicated
to
us
as
staff
and
Community
Social
Services.
We
do
not
have
jurisdiction
over
the
collection
of
drug
paraphernalia,
Ottawa
Public
Health
has
indicated
to
us
that
they
are
willing
to
work
with
us
to
review
their
processes
and
gather
some
information
that
we
could
bring
back
to
this
committee
for
the
purposes
of
information.
E
I
Problem
sure
counselor
could
you
so.
The
initial
presentation
was
about
private
security
market,
and
now
this
direction
is
about
drug
paraphernalia.
Could
you
just
explain
what
the
concern
is
that
led
you
to
bring
this
forward
because
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
by
the
request
and
I'm,
also
not
sure
it's
the
right
place
for
it?
This
might
be
a
Public,
Health,
Board
matter.
F
So
when
okay
so
I'll
just
back
up
a
little
bit
when
we
were
initially
having
these
discussions,
one
of
the
things
that
came
to
light
was
like
these
private
security
companies
do
a
lot
more
than
just
sort
of
Patrol
the
grounds
they
do.
They
do
first
aid
interventions,
they
do
administer
Narcan,
they
do
pick
up
needles.
They
are
sort
of,
like
I,
said
a
bit
of
a
buffer
between
a
lot
of
our
Frontline
Services,
which
they
pray
for
privately.
They
don't
have
any.
F
They
do
not
gather
any
data
as
far
as
I
know,
they
don't
tell
us
how
often
that
happens,
and
so
we
don't
actually
know
what's
going
on
in
the
market
in
terms
of
overdoses
in
terms
of
needle
pickup.
In
terms
of
you
know,
anything
under
the
criminal
code,
and
so
I
wanted
to
know
if
our
private
security
companies
could
be
not
compelled
but
asked
to
provide
this
information
on
either
a
weekly
basis.
So
that
way
we
can
have
better
data
in
the
market.
F
I
E
L
I
P
A
I
Thank
you,
chair
cancer
plan.
Do
you
have
a
specific
goal
in
collecting
this
data?
So
is
it
to
try
to
get
a
handle
on
the
opioid
crisis
in
your
ward
is
to
try
to
get
a
handle
on
the
the
work
that
private
security
is
doing,
that
City
staff
should
be
doing
I'm
just
really
trying
to
understand
the
reasoning.
F
F
I
would
like
them
to
get
better
trained
on
things
like
Dei
use
of
force,
which
I'm
not
a
fan
of,
and
the
kind
of
things
that
can
better
have
outcomes
for
our
residents
who
are
in
shelters
because,
as
you
know,
it
can
sometimes
be
a
very
tenuous
situation
and
I
don't
like
hearing
about
these
conflicts
that
can
pop
up
every
now
and
then
that
you
had
described
earlier.
I
would
like
it
to
be
more
of
a
welcoming
place
for
everyone.
I
F
E
E
You're
seeking
information
about
this
and
then
potentially
Solutions
I
have
to
say
the
roundabout
way
that
we've
gotten
here
and
the
fact
that
it
overlaps
other
committees,
but
it
also
has
involved
with
Ottawa
Police,
and
it's
I
think
that
there's
some
confusion
in
regards
to
whether
not
just
whether
it
belongs
here,
but
whether
you're
actually
going
to
get
the
results
that
you
want
out
of
the
direction
that
you're
putting
forward
or
even
the
motion
that
you
had
originally
put
forward.
I
I,
have
to
say:
I
will
not
be
supporting
the
direction.
E
I
will
ask
for
a
called
yes
on
this
and
I
would
encourage
anyone
to
vote
with
their
conscience.
But
I
think
that
you
absolutely
should
have
that
conversation.
We
should
have
that
conversation
as
a
city.
We
should
be
worried
about
the
outcomes
of
it
in
terms
of
the
implications
for
your
community
and
the
entire
community
of
the
city,
but
I.
Don't
think
you're
going
to
achieve
that
with
what
you're
directing
staff
to
do
right
now,
but
I
think
that
there's
other
ways
we
can
get
those
answers.
So
I
am
going
to
call
the
vote.
E
B
A
A
P
E
E
E
Thank
you
very
much,
counselor
deroche
item
13.
We
don't
have
any
other
business
at
this
point.
I
do
want
to
before
we
completely
conclude.
I
did
want
to
take
a
moment
today
is
at
this
committee
meeting.
Is
the
last
committee
meeting
the
last
formal
meeting,
I
believe
for
Donna
gray
as
the
general
manager
of
community
and
Social
Services
Department
and
I'm,
going
to
pause,
I'm
going
to
speak
very
slowly
here,
because
we
do
have
a
presentation
filled
with
photos
is
Donna
there,
I
can.
E
Oh
there
we
go
yep,
so
it
was
funny
because,
as
Eric
as
our
committee
coordinators
prepping
it
up,
I
had
I
had
the
opportunity
to
to
meet
Donna's
family,
her
parents,
her
husband,
her
children,
I
think
even
a
niece
at
a
at
a
luncheon
that
was
held
in
her
honor
and
I.
I
slyly
went
over
to
your
relatives
and
said
you
know,
if
there's
any
photos
that
you
can
share,
that
she
doesn't
want
to
share,
but
they
they
didn't.
They
didn't
send
me
anything
lucky
for
you.
E
They
didn't
send
me
anything
certainly
heard
some
wonderful
stories
which
I
won't
share,
but
I
thought
it
was.
Quite
wonderful
to
meet
your
family
and
they
are
not
sure
that
you're
ever
gonna
completely
rest
and
relax.
They
think
it's.
They
said
it
wasn't
in
your
demeanor
that
you'll
be
busier
than
you
probably
ever
have
been
in
retirement
than
than
ever
before,
but
I
did
want
to
quickly
speak
and
maybe
not
so
quickly.
E
E
Donna's
leadership
in
integrating
the
gender
and
race
Equity
inclusion,
indigenous
relations
and
Social
Development
service
area
into
the
community
and
social
services
department
has
been
absolutely
essential
in
identifying
the
barriers
diverse
communities
in
Ottawa
face
in
accessing
so
many
of
our
essential
services
and
how
we
can
work
together
with
our
community
to
remedy
this
and
Achieve
systemic
change
and
I
thought.
This
was
quite
interesting
and
I
didn't
know
this
about
Donna,
but
in
fact,
her
career
started
with
community
and
Social
Services.
E
She
was
on
the
front
lines
as
a
caseworker
and
she
did
that
for
15
years.
She
stayed
in
Social
Services
for
15
years,
so
her
whole
career
brought
her
full
circle
where
she
was
able
to
now
finish
as
the
general
manager
of
that
department
making
continued
and
sustainable
change
for
our
community
and
over
the
years,
Donna
has
moved
into
to
various
and
different
leadership
positions
and
throughout
different
departments
as
well,
and
she
eventually
became
part
of
the
senior
leadership
team.
E
She
funneled
her
desire
to
make
a
difference
by
focusing
on
waves,
to
improve
workplace
culture
and
to
evolve
the
services
the
city
delivers
on
a
personal
note,
I.
Actually,
when
I
was
a
city
of
Ottawa,
employee
I
actually
worked,
I,
think
three
or
four
levels
underneath
Donna
and
I
remember
the
first
time
I
knew
I
was
going
to
get
a
chance
to
meet
her.
She
was
actually
the
general
manager
I
believe
at
the
time
of
service,
Innovation
and
performance,
one
of
those
long
names
that
the
city
loves
to
adopt
and
I.
E
E
You
know
I
could
hear
her
coming
with
her
heels
and
she
came
in,
and
it
was
interesting
because
Donna's,
warmth
and
Charisma
and
willingness
to
listen
to
everyone
around
the
table,
regardless
of
how
high
or
low
they
were
on
the
chain
of
command
so
to
speak,
was
so
impressive
that
you
just
wanted
to
give
more
and
be
more
involved
in
the
outcome
of
whatever
project
you're
working
in
whatever
you're
doing
for
the
city.
So
I
know
that
I'm
not
alone
in
having
experienced
that
I
know.
Many
of
her
staff
have
felt
that
way.
E
I
know
as
counselors.
We
have
benefited
from
her
expertise,
her
her
history
with
the
organization,
but
also
her
outside
the
box.
Thinking
of
how
to
address
the
issues
that
our
city
faces,
but
also
come
up
with,
Solutions
I
totally
went
off
script
here.
Let's
just
kill
so
Donna
officially
retires
on
Friday,
and
while
she
was
recently
vetted
at
city
council
for
her
extraordinary
career,
we
would
be
absolutely
remiss
to
not
recognize
her
at
this
committee,
where
she
has
spent
the
last
many
years
of
her
work
career
and
has
made
such
lasting
impacts
Donna.