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Community Services Committee
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2023
Time: 9:30 am
Location: Champlain Room, 110 Laurier Avenue West, and by electronic participation
A
We're
going
to
start
with
today's
Community
Services
committee
for
Tuesday
May,
23rd
2023.
B
A
A
You
very
much
Eric
before
we
start
the
agenda.
I
just
want
to
take
a
moment
to
note
the
launch
of
the
city's
anti-racism
strategy.
Last
week,
the
city
achieved
a
significant
Milestone
with
the
official
launch
of
its
anti-racism
strategy.
This
strategy
is
a
commitment
to
repairing
relationships
with
indigenous
African
Caribbean,
black
and
other
racialized
communities.
Through
truth,
reconciliation
and
Community
healing
everyone
deserves
to
feel
safe
in
our
city,
to
feel
respected
and
to
have
access
to
resources
and
opportunities,
regardless
of
their
ethnic
or
racial
background.
A
The
strategy
is
the
product
of
extensive
Community
consultation
and
will
guide
the
city
as
it
works
to
eliminate
systemic
racism
in
All,
City
policies,
practices,
programs
and
services.
I'm
going
to
ask
Eric
to
show
a
short
video.
That
speaks
a
little
bit
about
the
strategy
that
was
launched
last
Monday.
E
The
city
of
Ottawa
is
launching
a
five-year
anti-racism
strategy
to
repair
relationships
with
indigenous
African
Caribbean,
black
and
other
racialized
communities.
Through
truth,
reconciliation
and
Community
healing
our
goal
is
to
ensure
that
racism
is
no
longer
a
barrier
to
an
individual's
safety
resources
and
opportunities.
F
A
F
Thank
you,
chair
I'd,
like
to
express
my
sincere
appreciation
to
both
City
staff
and
community
members
for
their
Collective
hard
work
over
the
past
three
and
a
half
years,
which
has
led
to
the
launch
of
the
first
stage
of
the
anti-racism
strategy,
I'm
quite
proud
of
the
work
that
the
anti-racism
Secretariat
undertook
and
consultation
with
over
a
thousand
residents
to
create
the
city's
first
anti-racism
strategy
in
2022
that
outlines
a
blueprint
to
address
racial
disparities
that
impact
the
black,
indigenous
and
racialized
communities.
F
The
city's
anti-racism
strategy
aligns
with
the
work
of
the
city
of
ottawa's
women
and
gender
Equity
strategy
and
the
municipal
reconciliation
action
plan
and
recognizes
that
to
combat
racism
and
discrimination,
it
is
not
sufficient
to
Simply
equip
people
with
knowledge
and
tools.
It
is
also
important
that
we
Expose
and
address
all
forms
of
racism,
whether
overt
and
covert
interpersonal
and
institutional,
current
and
historical,
persistent
and
nasians
to
Aid
in
the
advancement
of
equal
opportunities.
When
Ottawa
residents
deal
with
their
municipal
government.
F
The
strategy
will
enable
substantive
action
that
will
meaningfully
and
measurably
address
the
multiple
barriers
and
disadvantages
that
many
people
in
our
city
face.
We
heard
very
clearly
from
Ottawa
residents
that
they
want
issues
of
racial
inequity
addressed
in
governance,
housing,
Economic,
Development,
Health,
child
and
Youth
Development,
the
workplace
and
institutional
practices.
The
Five-Year
anti-racism
strategy
provides
28
recommendations
and
132
actions
to
proactively
identify
and
remove
systemic
barriers
from
City
policies,
programs
and
services
to
help
realize
racial
equity.
F
It
is
very
important
that
the
city
takes
a
lead
role
in
ending
all
forms
of
discrimination
and
oppression
in
order
to
create
an
Ottawa
where
all
residents
are
treated
with
dignity
and
respect,
I'm,
extremely
optimistic
that
we
can
be
successful
in
this
worthy
and
moral
Endeavor
by
ensuring
that
the
strategies,
recommendations
and
actions
are
translated
into
substantive
Investments
by
city,
council
and
I
know
that
all
members
of
council
would
agree.
Thank
you
so
much
chair.
A
So
moving
on
to
the
agenda
on
to
item
number
two,
we
have
not
received
any
Declarations
of
Interest
item.
Number
three
is
the
confirmations
of
of
the
minutes.
Are
the
item
is
the
minutes
confirmed,
confirmed
responses
to
inquiries,
we
have
summer
programming
at
Park
and
rides,
and
that
item
has
been
listed
on
the
agenda.
Anybody.
Anyone
wish
to
lift
that
item
no
scene
is
not.
That
item
is
received
we're
now
on
to
item
5.1,
which
is
the
update
to
local
rules
under
the
Housing
Services
act.
2011.,
we
don't
have
any
delegations.
A
A
Going
to
it,
oh
it's
on
the
agenda.
Oh,
so
it
doesn't
need
to
be
listed
okay,
so
if
you
haven't
yeah
sure
maybe
put
will
you
continue
to
use
zoom
and
if
you
guys
want
to
raise
your
hands
on
it,
then
I'll
know
the
order
you're
still.
First,
okay,
okay,.
H
Sherry,
yes,
okay,
let
me
just
go
through
and
take
a
look
at
some
questions
that
I
have
here
so
so
are
we
changing
any
of
the
rules
because
of
our
own
initiative,
or
is
it
simply
to
comply
provincial
legislation.
I
The
changes
represent
our
response
to
provincial
legislation
and
what
we
feel
we
need
to
change
most
of
them
align
to
provincial
directives
and
standards.
I
What
there
is
one
rule
where
we
are
proposing
that
we
provide
more
time
for
people
who
are
determined
to
be
over
housed
to
seek
a
better
housing
situation,
and
that
goes
beyond
the
provincial
standards,
so
we're
actually
I
feel
providing
a
better
a
better
outcome
through
this
change.
That's.
H
H
I
just
have
a
question:
the
the
asset
limit
of
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
households,
so
somebody's
not
eligible
for
rgi
if
their
household
has
a
fire
asset
base.
My
question
is
what,
if
what
if
someone
loses
their
income
or
gets
laid
off
and
they're
nowhere
close
to
retirement
age
and
they
might
have
a
small
pension
put
away
somewhere
that
they
can't
unlock?
Is
that
still
considered
an
asset
which
means
they
wouldn't
be
eligible
for
subsidized
housing?.
J
Through
you,
madam
chair,
yes,
the
the
asset
or
the
income
would
be
calculated
as
part
of
of
the
review
process.
So.
H
K
Thank
you
very
much.
It
might
take
me
a
second
to
be
organized
sorry.
I
I
do
have
a
couple
questions
on
the
on
the
report
and
specifically
so
I
noted
that
now
because
of
the
ass,
is
it
because
of
the
asset
limits
we
have
because
of
the
income
limits?
There's
approximately
327
households
that
are
over
the
limit,
but
nothing
will
be
done
with
respect
to
their
grandfathered.
In
now
correct.
K
I
When
we
look
when
we're
when
we
have
assessed
how
many
households
on
the
centralized
waiting
list
would
be
affected
by
these
updates,
we
estimate
about
three
percent,
which
is
about
300
and
plus
families,
who
may
not
be
eligible
once
the
asset
and
income
limit
eligibility
calculations
are
applied.
It
will
not
affect
people
currently
receiving
rgi.
K
J
J
K
J
So
the
income
is
is,
is
not
so
much
an
issue
because
it's
it's
reviewed
annually,
the
assets
based
on
our
assessment,
although
we
don't
know
what
the
exact
impact
is
going
to
be
we're
already
doing
some.
Some
verification
around
assessments,
for
example
home
ownership
and
divestment
of
that.
If
the
person
has
registered
savings,
that
is
taxable
that
has
to
be
reported
to
their
Canada
Revenue
Agency,
which
would
appear
on
their
notice
of
assessment
that
they
they
need
to
submit
as
part
of
document
verification.
K
Okay,
and
so
when
they
provide
this
assessment,
it's
on
an
annual
basis
and
that
information
goes
to
provided
whether
it's
the
OCA,
the
Gloucester
housing
and
opinion
housing.
It's
provided
to
to
them
correct,
which
in
turn
is
updated
through
the
is
it
updated
to
the
city,
is
to
you
as
a
service
manager
and
and
so
just
a
question.
There
was
a
talk
about
random
random
audits
being
done
by
the
city.
So
how
often
are
those
done
and
like
what
percentage
is
audited
on
a
on
a
annual
basis.
J
That's
a
good
question:
I,
don't
have
the
exact
numbers
with
me
right
now,
but
I
can
we
can
get
you
that
information
in
terms
of
the
exact
number
of
audits?
Those
are
the
audits
for
fraud
related
right.
K
And
so,
when
I
look
at
the
the
rgi
unit,
so
we
only
have
17
000
about
17
000
rgi
units
in
the
whole
city
of
Ottawa
and
those
numbers
will
not
grow
because
the
program
no
longer
exists
right.
So,
no
matter
how
many
people
we
get
in
how
many
people
come
and
live
in
our
hotels
and
motels
and
acquire
these
units
we're
never
going
to
go
past.
K
Seventeen
thousand
and
so
I
know
when
I
pulled
data
from
your
your
area
before
there's
a
stopping
point
because
we
have
about
400,
we
have
lots
of
people
who
are
over
housed
on
that
wait,
list
of
12
000
people
and
there's
about
400
families
that
need
one
bedroom
units
that
are
in
three
four
two
bedrooms.
I
know:
I've
got
the
data
from
you
before.
K
Will
these
changes
that
you're
implementing
help
clear
that
that
backlog
at
all
and
help
the
list
move,
because
it's
my
understanding
on
that
list
of
about
12
500
that
really
there's
only
about
a
thousand
that
are
actually
homeless,
that
most
of
those
are
unhoused
and
that
most
of
the
they're
just
looking
to
move
around
within
the
system?
Can
you
clarify
that
and
then
speak
to
whether
or
not
these
changes
will
actually
help
with
that
backup
on
the
over
house
list.
J
Thank
you
through
you,
I'm
Madam,
chair.
Yes,
that
is
the
intent
behind
the
the
revisions
that
have
been
made.
J
You're
you're
right
in
that
historically,
there's
been
a
lot
of
households
that
have
remained
in
their
in
their
current
house
form
that
was
deemed
over
housed,
and
so
these,
these
more
stringent
stringent
regulations
will
make
sure
that
that
there
is
an
outflow
of
the
people
that
are
over
housed
more
quickly
and
to
to
so
that
those
units
are
are
more
available
to
families
that
are
more
in
need
of
the
larger
larger
homes.
K
Okay,
I'll
just
ask
a
couple
more
questions
and
then
I'll
get
back
on
the
list.
Thanks
because
I
know,
I'm
gonna
take
over
my
timeline
time
limit
with
respect
to
the
asset
rules
and
the
changes
there
are
those
assets.
Are
they
only
Assets
in
Canada
that
you're
looking
at.
K
Thank
you
and
then
just
my
last
question
for
the
time
being
the
local
priority
rules,
so
the
consultations
that
happened
on
these
these
rules
talked
about
with
the
the
stakeholders.
Can
you
just
clarify
like
at
least
the
in
the
housing
and
homelessness
sector,
or
were
they
individuals
that
are
living
in
these
units
at
all?
K
If
you
can
just
speak
to
the
stakeholders
that
were
consulted
and
also
when,
if
you
could
speak
to
when
Council
will
be
able
to
take
a
look
at
those
local
priority
rules
as
well,
if
there's
updates
in
the
future.
J
Thank
you
through
you,
madam
chair.
Yes,
the
the
staff
completed
a
a
broad
consultation
process,
starting
with
the
with
the
housing
providers
and
then
beyond
the
housing,
improved
social
housing
providers.
As
detailed
in
the
report,
we
have
a
detailed
section
of
the
report.
We
initiated
also
a
surveys
online
surveys
that
you
know
the
providers
could
could
provide
their
feedback
in
in
the
various
areas
to
make
sure
that
we
we
cover
a
broad
range
of
of
feedback
from
from
different
stakeholders.
J
K
J
You,
yes,
we
can
certainly
include
that
as
part
of
our
10-year
plan
refresh,
which
will
be
completed
in
2024.,
and
so
what
you're
referring
to
is
are
the
local
rules
that
Council
has
Authority
or
flexibility
to
modify
to
add
to
delete
and
those
in
particular
some
of
them.
You
know
Council
may
want
to
to
review.
It's
been
a
while
it's
been
since
2017,
since
we
did
our
last
comprehensive
review
of
the
local
priorities.
So
it
would
be
very
timely
in
the
next
10-year
plan
refresh
to
include
those.
A
The
list:
okay,
okay,
thank
you,
councilor
troster,.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
through
you,
mostly
rgi,
but
it
can
include
also
below
Market
rent
units.
H
So
if
somebody
is
on
that
list
now,
yes,
dutifully
updating
their
paperwork
every
year,
they're
found
that
their
assets
are
slightly
over.
What
allows
them
do
they
does
that
mean
they
can't
be
on
the
list
anymore,
or
it
just
means
that
if
their
name
comes
up
they're
not
eligible
for
the
rji
rgi
option,
like
does
it
mean
they're
going
to
get
kicked
off
the
waiting.
H
H
J
Worked
very
closely
with
with
the
housing
providers
and
the
registry,
which
will
update
the
the
information
housing
providers
will
be
in
direct
contact
with
with
the
with
the
households.
Through
various
means.
We,
our
staff,
are
working
on
the
development
of
community
communication
products
with
the
service
providers.
Our
program
administrators
work
very
closely
with
the
with
the
providers
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we.
We
use
a
variety
of
different
tools
to
make
sure
that
people
have
the
information
I.
H
Guess
my
concern
is:
we
know
that
this
list
is
years
long,
so
somebody
might
have
assets
that
are
slightly
too
high,
but
if
they
continue
to
be
in
an
economically
precarious
position,
they
may
drain
those
assets
over
the
years,
while
they're
waiting
on
the
list.
So
my
question
is:
if
they
get
removed
from
the
list,
they
lose
their
priority
position
and
the
interim
they
drain
their
assets.
They
go
back
on
the
list
and
they're
down
here
when
they
should
be
up
here.
D
H
I
So
through
you,
madam
chair,
I,
think
what
Paul's
explaining
is
that
we
work
with
a
systems
group
of
service
providers.
We
we
met.
We
have
a
management
relationship
with
the
registry.
We
work
closely
with
the
registry
and
through
those
relationships,
there's
daily
constant
communication,
we're
also
advised
of
households
who
may
qualify
for
and
supplement
or
other
housing
benefits,
and
we
make
efforts
through
then
the
contracts
we
have
with
local
providers,
Housing
search
workers
through
those
relationships
and
contracts
to
ensure
the
families
on
the
list
are
constantly
made
aware
of
their
options
and
opportunities.
I
H
Okay,
thank
you.
I
just
think.
It's
really
important
that
people
know
what
the
options
are
and
if
they
want
to
maintain
that
spot
that
they
need
to
use
some
of
their
own
assets.
I
I
just
worry
about
somebody.
Slipping
through
the
cracks
in
that
scenario
and
have
their
economic
situation
become
much
more
precarious,
while
they're
waiting
and
then
lose
that
opportunity.
But
thank
you
very
much.
B
I
And
through
you,
madam
chair,
the
the
term
housing
Solutions
is
a
broad
term.
That's
used
as
part
of
the
funding
framework
and
the
funding
streams
that
we
receive
under
the
contract
with
the
province.
It
includes
Emergency,
Shelters
and
other
solutions
that
may
include
Outreach
and
other
and
other
services.
I
Emergency
shelter,
three
Madam,
chair,
Emergency
Shelters,
are
part
of
a
system
of
supports
that
is
part
of
our
housing
system
as
a
whole.
They
provide
short-term
emergency
shelter
and
the
goal
is
to
move
people
out
of
short-term
emergency
shelter
to
housing.
That's
that's
the
goal
as
part
of
our
10-year
plan.
D
I
Through
you,
madam
chair,
without
speculating
as
to
the
the
intentions
behind
the
provincial
decisions,
we
are
facing
a
housing
crisis.
We
know
that
there's
a
shortage
of
affordable
housing
and
these
rules
demonstrate
an
effort
to
ensure
that
those
who
have
the
greatest
need
are
often
offered
first
opportunity
for
a
deeply
subsidized
unit.
I
D
D
H
D
Being
offered
a
a
different
unit,
smaller
unit
I-
guess
so
that
they're
in
the
system
right
now,
but
it
depends
on
the
availability
of
these
units,
correct
of
smaller
units.
D
Thank
you
now,
I'm
just
concerned
about
the
jump
I
mean
in
terms
of
you
were
talking
about
other
programs
that
people
may
be
qualified
for
because,
given
the
differential
between,
even
if
they
play
Pay,
Market,
rent
and
and
leave
these
affordable
units
and
the
private
Market,
it's
a
huge
gap.
Can
you
give
us
a
little
bit
more
about
the
other
housing
programs
if
they
don't
qualify
for
our
GI.
J
Is
through
you,
madam
chair,
if
they
don't
qualify
for
rgi,
there
is
affordable
housing
programs
which
are
could
be
average
Market,
rent
or
80
of
average
Market
rent,
there's
below
Market
rent
programs
as
well.
There
are
housing
allowances
as
well
that
various
housing
allowance
programs
that
are
available
for
different
Target
groups
as
well.
J
D
J
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Kavanaugh,
councilor,
Carr,
I'll,.
K
Be
quick,
I
promise,
so
one
question
that
comes
to
mind
in
light
of
my
colleague's
question.
I
know:
councilor
troster
was
asking
about.
You
know
you
become
ineligible
for
one
program
while
you're
waiting
and
that
to
me
it's
one
of
the
issues.
K
It
seems
to
me
when
we
are
dealing
with
the
the
limited
amount
of
rgi
stock,
we're
dealing
with
a
big,
a
big
list
and
we've
got
programs
like
the
Cobb,
the
Canada
Ontario
housing
benefit
where,
if
you
accept
that
program
which
is
not
in
perpetuity
like
the
rgi
programs
that
you
removed
from
the
registry
list,
so
that's
a
big
issue,
because
people
are
apprehensive
about
their
future
if
they
they're
getting
part-time
work
or
contract
work,
you
know
it's
quite
complex,
and
so
how
can
we?
K
This
is
probably
a
little
bit
deeper
than
this
report
so
I'll,
just
of
course
out
of
my
question
and
and
probably
can't
be
answered,
but
how
can
we
incentivize
the
use
of
these
programs
that
are
not
in
perpetuity
in
order
to,
as
we
continue
to
have
people
coming
here?
Looking
for
these
rgi
units,
what
can
we
do
to
have
programs
where
there's
more
guarantee
in
order
to
continue
to
serve
the
population
that
needs
the
rgi
units
like
I?
Guess,
that's
work,
that's
being
done
in
the
housing
and
homelessness
plan.
J
Thank
you
and
it's
true
you,
madam
chair
and
typically
yes,
you're
you're,
right
counselor
that
there's
there's
some
issues
there
around
uptake
for
for
those
housing,
allowances
and
staff
do
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
Education
a
lot
of
of
a
promotion
of
those
those
housing
allowances.
J
Part
of
part
of
the
part
of
the
decision
making
in
those
situations
for
the
household
is,
is
the
the
the
risk
and
benefits
to
to
the
decision
that
they
that
they
need
to
make,
and
we
really
support.
You
know
the
families
in
making
that
decision
with
informed
choices
so
having
all
of
the
information
they
have
really
available,
so
they
can
make
those
choices.
So
one
could
wait
right
now.
The
average
wait
time
for
rgi
on
the
centralized.
Wait
list
is
5.27
years
or
you
could
get
a
housing
allowance
right
away.
J
I
will
get
you
into
housing
out
of
the
shelters
and
and
you're
on
your
way.
So
far,
it's
it's
long
term
and
it's
unfortunate
that
we
can't
say
it's
forever.
As
long
as
you
need
it,
that's
the
way
the
program
is
set
up,
so
we
do
inform
their
clients
around
the
limitations
of
the
program
but
again
weighing
out
the
the
con.
The
pros
and
cons,
and
the
pros
is
that
they're
going
to
get
housed
very
much
quickly.
Much
much
quicker.
J
Yes,
all
the
time
we
are
in
constant
contact
and
and
providing
information
to
the
province
about.
You
know
what
we're
seeing
on
the
ground,
our
experiences
and
what
we
learn
and
and
what
the
experiences
of
of
our
clients
is
on
the
ground
and
pass
that
on
as
part
of
our
feedback.
K
Okay,
I
just
have
a
follow-up
question
to
councilor.
Troster
asked
a
question
about
a
pension
plan,
specifically,
but
I
noted
on
on
the
report
that
under
regulation
3,
6,
7,
11,
section
32.5
that
funds
in
a
registered
retirement,
Savings
Plan
funds
in
a
whiff
and
funds
in
an
resp
wouldn't
be
included,
but
a
pension
plan
itself
would
be
like
if
I
had
a
a
pension
plan
from
my
job.
That
would
be
counted
as
assets
or
income.
K
I
Could
we
three
men
I'm
sure
we
would
take
that
question
back?
It's
a
it's
a
little
deeper
in
detail.
The
more
come
prepared
to
answer
today.
I
would
like
to
to
your
previous
question.
Counselor
ask
Paul
to
speak
to
the
Innovative
pilot
program
that
we
identify
in
the
report
for
families,
especially
large
families,
is
that
in
the
oven,
I'm
so
excited
about
that
initiative.
That
I
will
come
back
to
that.
K
Carr,
are
you
okay,
yeah
I'll,
just
ask
one
more
question,
because
I
realized
that
I'm
monopolized
the
questions,
the
the
change
in
having
three
housing
offers
to
one
housing
offer
for
over
house
communities
and
I
understand.
You
know
that's
difficult,
because
people
want
to
stay
in
the
community
in
which
they've
raised
their
family
and
that's
part
of
the
challenge
when
moving
with
this.
K
But
do
you
have
any
idea
of
forecasts
on
how
much
you
anticipate
that
particular
change
to
make
a
difference
in
terms
of
people
accepting
the
first
unit
or
being
able
like
the
movement
on
the
list?
If
that
makes
sense,.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
I,
think
I.
Think
one
of
the
benefits
is
that
in
the
first
year
you
you
have
the
right
to
to
refuse
offers,
and
you
might
want
to
you
have
the
opportunity
to
to
select
many
communities.
So
at
least
you
have
the
year
to
to
decide.
If,
if
the
offer
is
good
or
not-
and
hopefully
you
know
by
the
time
the
the
second
year
starts,
then
people
will
have
access
to
to
that
to
that
unit.
Hopefully
they
will.
J
It
will
result
in
in
people
moving
and
unclogging
the
system
and
making
sure
that
both
households
have
their
needs
met,
the
one
that
is
over
housed
and
the
one
that
needs
a
a
a
larger
unit.
J
And
as
for
your
previous
question,
that
counselor,
the
yes
pension
is
income
and
could
could
count
toward
the
income
limits.
Okay,.
K
That's
what
I
thought
thank
you
very
much.
I'll
save
my
next
set
of
questions
for
the
next
report.
H
Okay,
thank
you.
This
is
probably
going
to
lead
into
the
exciting
pilot
that
you
want
to
that.
You
have
put
forward
for
larger
families,
but
am
I
correct
in
assuming
that
people
will
opt
to
stay
on
the
list
and
wait
for
rgi
and
refuse
a
portable
housing
benefit,
because
rents
are
too
high
for
that
affordable
benefit
to
make
enough
of
a
dent.
I
Through
you,
madam
chair,
there
are,
there
are
many
I
think
what
committee
is
identifying
that
as
a
reality,
is
the
complexity
of
the
system
and
the
complexity
of
need,
and
then
the
complexity
of
the
rules
that
we
are
legislated
to
to
implement
to
help
govern
that
system,
and-
and
that
is
why,
as
we
present,
this
local
rules
report,
that
gives
us
a
little
bit
of
discretion
staff.
We
also
the
next
report
that
gives
us
again
some
discretion
to
move
funding
where
the
greatest
needs
are.
I
That
is
how
the
system
works.
Is
that
we're
able
to
identify
where
there's
a
greatest
need
and
then
lever
all
of
the
various,
whether
it's
funding
or
relationships
or
systems
that
we
have
at
our
disposal
to
actually
wrap
around
that
family
and
meet
that
need,
and
so
it
is
a
complex
system.
That's
designed
to
one
get
people
off
the
list
as
quickly
as
possible
and
get
them
housed
as
quickly
as
possible.
I
What
we
do
is
we
wrap
around
with
housing
support
workers,
the
registers
registry
staff,
who
are
wonderful
and
and
have
relationships
with
people
on
the
list
and
the
regular
reporting
that
sort
of
annual
reporting
also
enables
the
housing
provider
to
build
a
relationship
to
maintain
that
relationship.
We
we
would
hope
that
they
do
it
off
more
often
than
that,
but
it
gives
a
formal
opportunity
for
them
to
have
those
conversations
with
that
family.
I
So
it's
very
rare
I
would
I
would
put
forward
that
it's
very
rare
for
a
family
to
be
in
an
rgi
unit
and
all
of
a
sudden
be
told
they
have
to
leave.
That
is
not
the
reality
on
the
ground.
The
housing
provider
would
identify
really
early
on
work
with
the
family
and
we
would
wrap
around
other
supports
with
people
on
the
centralized
waiting
list.
But,
as
I
said
earlier,
it's
an
imperfect
system.
M
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
want
to
know
if
there
is
a
plan
to
set
up
whether
it's
emergency,
transitional,
supportive
or
just
low-income
housing
in
general,
is
there
a
plan
to
set
these
up
city-wide
instead
of
just
concentrating
them
in
certain
areas
of
the
city
like
I?
Don't
think,
especially
when
it
comes
to
families
like
I,
don't
think
they
should
be
forced
to
choose
between
downtown
or
or
bust.
M
There
a
plan
to
kind
of
include
some
of
these
options
in
in
across
the
city,
not
just
downtown,
because
I
do
see
need
like,
especially
when
it
comes
to
some
families,
and
some
people
just
might
not
want
to
always
be
downtown
when,
when
looking
for
these
options,.
I
Through
umam
chair
in
terms
of
emergency
shelter,
transitional
Support
options,
they
do,
they
are
located
across
the
city,
the
our
opportunity
to
identify
suitable
emergency
shelter,
accommodations
for
families,
especially
large
families,
is
hampered
by
availability
in
the
system
of
available
units.
L
I
What
what
we
do
as
staff
and
the
10-year
plan?
That's
going
to
be
refreshed
next
year?
Is
it's
a
10-year
plan?
That's
refreshed
every
year,
because
of
because
of
the
fact
that
the
environment
that
we're
in
changes
the
economy
changes,
the
availability
of
housing
changes,
the
pressures
on
service
providers
change-
and
you
know
the
the
Acuity
level
of
people
who
are
finding
themselves
homeless
is-
is
Shifting
and
changing
and
becoming
more
and
more
acute
each
and
every
day
there
is
no
one.
I
Thank
you
for
your
question.
I
wish
we
had
a
magic
wand
that
we
could
wave.
There
is
no
one
direct
answer.
Our
ideal
scenario
would
be
that
we
maintain
a
system
of
housing.
A
housing
system
whereby
people
who
are
in
the
dot
the
most
dire
need
are,
are
able
right
away
to
find
an
emergency
shelter.
Placement
quickly
move
out
of
that
shelter,
placement
once
they're
stabilized,
have
an
available
Supportive,
Housing
or
transitional
housing
placement
and
then
once
they're,
even
further
they're
capable
move
into
a
more
permanent,
independent
living
situation.
I
L
And
and
just
a
quick
follow-up,
because
this
is
what
I'm
hearing
by
from
the
service
providers
I
heard,
you
say
once
they're
in
the
emergency
shelter
and
then
they
get
stabilized
and
then
they
move
to
Supportive
Housing.
My
understanding
is
that
the
housing
piece
is
the
stabilizing
part
and
that
it's
the
emergency
shelter
part.
L
That's
really
destabilizing
for
people,
because
not
knowing,
if
you'll,
have
a
bed
in
the
morning
having
to
leave
in
the
morning
having
to
then
find
your
meal
and
then
not
having
that
permanent
place
is
really
what's
causing
a
lot
of
people
to
be
in
distress
and
that
actually
giving
people
a
roof
over
their
head.
No
matter
what
their
sort
of
Acuity
level
is
really
what
stabilizes
them,
not
only
in
the
short
term,
but
obviously
in
the
long
term
as
well.
L
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that's
what
I'm
hearing
from
service
providers
in
the
Supportive
Housing
Industry
that
there's
you
know.
If
you
look
at
a
place
like
options
by
town,
they
have
a
92
success
rate
of
taking
chronically
unhoused
people
and
giving
them
Supportive
Housing.
So
that's
what
I'm
hearing
on
my
end
is
that
you,
the
Acuity
level,
is
due
to
the
Emergency
Shelters,
not
a
place
for
them
to
get
stabilized,
because
it's
sort
of
like
an
emergency
room,
it's
sort
of
like
a
bunk
Eddie
Montag
like
it's
not
a
place
for
stability.
A
I
am
just
going
to
remind
everyone
too.
I
will
definitely
throw
it
to
you.
Everyone's
welcome
to
ask
questions.
I
do
want
us
to
stay
on
topic,
though
we
are
talking
about
the
local
rules.
A
lot
of
this
has
been
delegated
by
the
province
that
we
have
to
update.
These
hasn't
been
done
since
2017.
I
know
on
the
next
item.
A
We
will
be
speaking
to
the
the
homeless
prevention
program
investment
plan,
so
some
of
these
questions
might
find
a
home
there
as
well
too,
but
I
just
want
to
remind
folks
we're
on
the
local
rules
item
so
counselor
Carr.
K
You
know,
obviously
it's
speaking
to
the
rgi
units,
and
we
mentioned
earlier
that
you
know
there's
only
17
000
and
there
only
ever
will
be
17
000,
because
the
even
as
our
population
grows.
This
is
a
grandfathered
program
and
so
I
know
that
you
know
that
on
that
social,
Housing,
Registry,
there's
also
BMR,
but
just
in
in
terms
of
when
councilor
Kavanaugh
was
asking
questions
about
OCH
being
the
majority.
They
have
the
majority
of
the
rgi
units.
That
sort
of
thing
you
know
now
that
we
have
new
types
of
affordable
housing.
K
Och
has
a
new,
affordable
housing
portfolio
for
their
new
units
that
are
no
longer
rgi
and
they
they
seek
tenants
through
a
whole
different
means.
So
you've
got
all
these
new,
affordable
housing
providers
that
are
looking
for
for
tenants
on
themselves
doing
their
own
marketing
trying
to
attract
running
their
own
programs.
So
what
does
that
mean
for
the
social
Housing,
Registry
and
and
and
their
role?
K
And
so
probably
it's
a
little
bit
above
local
rules,
but
anyway
something
I
would
like
to
have
a
discussion
about,
because,
when
we're
dealing
with
those
17
000
units
on
rgi
and
I,
don't
know
how
many
BMR
units
there
are
maybe
two
thousand
but
not
sure
how
many
there
are.
But
that's
it's
it's
the
same
list.
K
It's
the
same
people
on
the
list,
just
in
terms
of
how
do
we
consolidate
all
of
that
I
mean
I
understand
this
is
the
local
rules
for
for
just
specifically
to
the
rgi,
but
we're
looking
at
that
breadth
of
programs
and
how
to
to
get
people
more
to
get
them
housed
and
in
place.
K
I
just
think,
as
as
the
population
of
Ottawa
grows,
the
people
looking
for
homes
grows
and
and
we're
still
dealing
with
a
list
for
17
000
units
just
be
interesting
to
talk
in
the
future
about
what
what
we
do
about.
That.
J
Thank
you
through
you,
madam
chair,
so
yeah.
Definitely
the
registry.
This
is
the
single
access
point
for
subsidized
housing.
Having
said
that,
not
everyone
will
qualify
for
the
deepest
subsidy,
which
is
rent
gear
to
income,
and
so
that's
that's
a
separate
group.
Then
we
also
have
a
separate
list
which
is
called
the
BMR
list
and
affordable
housing
falls
under
the
the
BMR
list.
J
So
there's
different
lists
and
I
know
it
can
be
confusing,
and-
and
certainly
you
know
in
the
spirit
of
continuous
Improvement,
we
can
certainly
you
know
I'll
make
note
of
that
and
see
what
we
can
put
into
our
next
10-year
plan
to
see
how
we
can
streamline
the
system
to
make
it
more
efficient.
J
K
Yeah,
thank
you
and
I
know
that's
a
little
bit
outside
of
the
question,
but
it
just
with
all
these
new,
affordable
housing
programs
and,
for
example,
like
hearing
gate.
You
know
they
have
their
own
program
that
they're
going
to
be
administering
and
in
my
community
and
I
know
with
everyone
creating
new,
affordable
housing.
It
just
seems
as
if
there's
just
a
lot
of
data
and
lists
out
there,
but
I
I
understand
you're.
Looking
at
that.
I
Thank
you
for
that
question,
and,
and
through
you,
madam
chair
I,
also
want
to
remind
a
committee
that
we
do
invest
in
housing,
support
workers
and
shelter,
support
workers
who
are
constantly
working
with
with
people
who
are
are
using
Emergency
Shelters
or
on
the
list
to
try
and
find
affordable
units.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Everyone
of
excellent
questions,
excellent
discussion.
Thank
you
for
the
answers,
so
the
report
recommendations
before
us
is
that
the
community
services
committee
recommend
Council
approve
the
local
rules
as
updated
and
set
out
in
full
in
document.
One
is
this
item
carried
very.
N
A
Right
wonderful
item:
5.2
is
the
homelessness
prevention
program,
investment
plan
2023-2024.
We
have
no
delegations
on
the
list.
We
also
do
not
have
a
presentation
before
we
go
to
any
questions
from
anyone.
I
do
want
to
quickly
read
out
the
recommended
like
what
we're
being
asked
to
approve,
because
I
think
that
that
provides
some
context
to
any
discussion.
A
People
want
to
have
is
that
our
committee
recommends
Council,
approve
that
the
director
Housing
Services
be
delegated
the
authority
to
approve
the
city's
homelessness
prevention
program,
2023-2024
investment
plan,
which
sets
out
the
details
of
the
program
and
spending
plan
outlined
in
this
report
and
to
submit
it
to
the
Ministry
of
Municipal,
Affairs
and
Housing
number
two
that
in
the
event,
additional
funding
becomes
available
under
the
homelessness
prevention
program.
Due
to
any
reallocation
by
the
ministry.
A
The
director,
Housing
Services
will
be
delegated
the
authority
to
amend
the
plan
and
allocate
the
additional
funding
within
the
HPP
service
categories.
In
keeping
with
this
report,
three
that
the
consolidation
of
the
city
funded
housing
and
homelessness,
investment
plans
supports
and
social
housing
program
and
other
homelessness
funds
into
a
single
City
homelessness.
A
Funding
program
that
follows
the
guidelines
of
the
provincial
homelessness
prevention
program,
as
well
as
any
applicable
City
policies,
programs
and
objectives
approved
by
Council
as
further
outlined
in
this
report
and
number
four
suspending
the
notice
required
under
subsection,
2329
3
and
34
1
of
the
procedure
bylaw
to
consider
this
report
as
its
meeting
on
May
24th.
In
order
to
consider
the
provincial
timeline,
so
I
just
wanted
to
do
that
so
that
we
have
some
direction
for
the
conversation.
If
anyone
does
have
any
questions,
did
anyone
have
any
questions
about
this
recommendation?
O
Good
morning,
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
understand
what
the
implications
are
for
delegated
authority
with
respect
to
the
ever-evolving
funding
envelope
coming
from
the
province.
How
will
we
expect
reporting
to
come
through
this
delegated
authority
over
time?
And
how
might
we
see
you
know
responsive
reporting
if
things
change
from
The
Province
as
they
do.
I
Three
you,
madam
chair,
delegated
authority,
is
granted
under
the
delegated
delegation
of
authority
by
law,
which
is
reported
to
council
annually.
In
addition,
we,
like
this
report,
we'll
bring
reports
forward
to
council
to
annually
identify
how
that
delegated
authority
is
being
affected
in
terms
of,
for
instance,
in
this
case,
the
HPP
spending
plan.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
Johnson,
councilor,
Carr,
okay,.
K
Sorry
me
again:
I
have
a
few
questions.
So,
first
of
all,
with
respect
to
the
recommendations,
the
report
recommendation
recommended
recommendation.
Three
speaks
to
the
fact
that,
if
oh
hold
on
recommendation,
two
speaks
to
the
fact
that,
in
the
event,
additional
funding
becomes
available
under
the
HPP
due
to
any
reallocation
by
the
ministry.
K
The
director
blah
blah
blah
and
the
report
details
the
fact
that
we're
in
discussions
right
now
with
the
province
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
additional
funding,
if
it's
granted,
goes
to
the
relief
of
the
folks
that
are
living
in
the
physical
distancing,
centers
that
are
in
Ward,
18
and
Ward
12,
because
it
was
indicated
at
the
last
council
meeting
that,
because
there
wasn't
sufficient
funds
received
from
the
province
that
that
was
what
was
in
Jeopardy.
But
yet
the
recommendation
too
doesn't
speak
to
that.
I
Through
you,
madam
chair,
it
is
correct
that
were
if
we
were
to
receive
additional
funding
in
this
year
and
in
2024
that
we
would
take
a
holistic
approach
to
allocating
that
funding.
We
have
been
given
Direction
by
Council
to
move
out
of
physical,
distancing
centers.
So
that
is
a
goal
that
we
are
currently
working
towards.
K
K
Essentially,
your
initial
pilot
is
going
to
help
serve
between
five
to
ten
families
and
it's
basically
going
to
be
a
program
that's
equivalent
to
rgi
so
sort
of
what
I
was
asking
about
last
time
like
how
do
we
create
those
those
units
and
I
just
wanted
the
rationale
with
starting
with
large
families
I
completely
understand
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
them.
K
We've
gotten
living
in
the
hotels
motels,
but
when
I
look
at
that
over
house
data,
what
I
see
is
a
lot
of
people
that
are
over
housed
in
those
four
or
five
bedroom
units,
and
if
we
could
open
up
more
rgi
units
for
one
bedrooms,
which
is
probably
cheaper
and
get
the
list
moving,
would
we
necessarily
need
that
benefit?
So
that's
I'll
leave
that
at
my
my
next
I'll
leave
that
as
my
question
and
then
I
do
have
a
couple
more.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
through
you,
I,
would
say.
I
would
say
both
strategies
are,
are
needed
and
would
be
effective.
I
think
using
a
multi-prong
approach
here
would
be
is
sensible
in
that
we
do
have
some
immediate
needs
where
our
staff
have
been
working
diligently
with
with
certain
families
to
to
address
this.
J
This
critical
need,
because
there
was,
there
is
no
other
option,
and
so
this
pilot
is
going
to
be
very,
very
instrumental
for
us
to
see
if
we
can
be
successful
in
in
moving
those
a
larger
family
into
homes
and
out
of
the
shelters
more
quickly
and
so
that
they
can
enjoy
the
stabilization
that
they
should
have
well
while
raising
their
kids.
J
So
so
the
the
the
the
the
pilot
is
going
to
start
with
families
that
are
seven
and
and
more,
and
we
are
targeting
five
to
ten
families
for
for
the
pilot
and
it's
going
to
give
them
access
to
those
larger
units
on
the
private
Market
that
is
not
factored
in
when
we
have
the
average
Market
rent
in
the
calculation
provided.
So
that's
going
to
give
them
the
upper
hand
to
Access
housing
that
is
more
affordable
and
and
a
unit
that
is
more
appropriately
sized.
K
K
Why
is
that
a
deficit?
Is
there
no
cost
recovery
from
The
Province
like
how?
Why
is
it
that
the
city
needs
to
take
that
on
and-
and
you
know,
if
you
could
just
give
statistics
as
well
about
the
number
of
of
families
in
those
motels
hotels
like
it's
like
a
thousand
or
so
units?
K
J
Great,
thank
you
through
you,
madam
chair,
so
in
in
2013,
The
Province
re
restructured
their
homelessness
funding,
chippy
funding
as
it's
as
called
and
at
that
time
prior
to
2013,
the
city
would
receive
a
per
diem
funding
for
for
the
shelter
shelter
costs
and
which,
in
in
turn,
the
city
would
pass
on
to
the
providers
in
2013
that
stopped
the
province,
capped,
our
our
funding,
amount
for
shelters
and
restructured
the
funding
and
but
gave
us
greater
flexibility
to
move
the
funding
within
different
different
funding
lines,
and
and-
and
so
that's,
why
there's
no
more
money
to
compensate
from
The
Province
if
our
needs
exceed
the
actual
funding
that
we
have
so
right
now,
we're
in
a
period
of
of
an
excessive
needs
that
we
need
to
to
to
provide
services
for,
but
those
those
needs
can
can
fluctuate
and
and
we're
hoping
that
we're
going
to
see
less
investment
in
shelters
and
more
investments
in
permanent
Supportive,
Housing
or
housing
with
supports
to
make
sure
that
people
move
out
of
the
shelters,
but
also
investing
more
in
homelessness
prevention,
which
is
the
other
part
of
the
investment
here.
J
J
So
the
other
Investments
That
We're
proposing
here
is
which
we've
been
piloting
since
2022,
based
on
feedback
from
our
Community
Partners
was
we
needed
something
to
prevent
people
from
households,
families
that
are
struggling,
there's
life
circumstances
change
whether
it's
be
been
a
a
sudden
change
in
income?
Can
we,
just
you
know,
have
something
a
benefit
that
would
just
stop
things
for
for
a
little
while
until
they
got
back
on
their
feet
and
we're
we're
seeing
great
great
results
for
that.
So.
K
Okay,
thank
you,
and
just
with
respect
to
the
allocations
that
are
being
proposed
here
with
for
emergency
shelter,
housing
assistance,
Board
of
housing,
all
of
that
data
that
was
transmitted
to
the
province
in
order
to
get
these
allocations
is
that
all
all
from
heifus
is
that,
where
all
the
data
comes
from.
J
Through
you,
madam
chair,
yes,
it
is
provided
through
heifus.
K
Okay
last
question
and
just
a
follow-up
to
that,
because
it's
all
related
to
the
allocation
are
all
housing
providers,
shelter
providers
within
the
system.
Do
they
all
have
access
to
haifis
and
are
able
to
update.
J
Through
you,
madam
chair,
all
the
all.
The
agencies
are
service
providers
that
are
in
receipt
of
homelessness
funding.
Yes,
they
they
are
they're
a
part
of
heifus,
but
that
would
exclude
like
community
housing,
which
are
not
part
of
this
funding.
Right.
J
H
H
J
Through
you,
madam
chair
I,
think
I
I
think
we
have
a
long
list
of
priorities
right
now
of
things
that
you
know
we
would
like
to
fund
or
are
in
need
of
funding.
We
would,
of
course,
consult
with
our
with
our
service
providers
and
we
would
have
brought
back
an
investment
plan
that
would
have
been
broader,
more
comprehensive
and
and
more
tailored
to
to
many
of
the
needs
that
are
that
are
out
there.
J
But
what
we
are
presenting
is
is
a
plan
that
is
based
on
on
on
the
on
the
funding
amount
that
we
do
currently
have
and-
and
we
can't
say
we
don't
know
if
we'll
have
more
so.
I
And
Madam
chair
I
would
add
that
part
of
refreshing.
The
10-year
plan
will
will
include
consultation
and
engagement
with
our
sector
and
with
people
using
the
system
and
the
services
within
the
system,
and
that
will
give
us
even
more
clarity
as
to
how
we
in
the
future
will
use
the
48
million
dollars.
Investment
by
the
province,
which
I
would
like
to
underscore
is
the
largest
investment
that
the
city
receives
to
support
this
homelessness,
to
try
and
eradicate
homelessness,
to
support
people
who
are
homeless.
We
value
the
partnership
with
the
province.
I
What's
happening
is
the
needs
in
Ottawa
are
shifting
and
changing,
and
as
Paul
explained,
policy
changes
made
before
today
have
moved
us
from
a
per
diem
per
person,
funding
scenario
to
a
block
funding
scenario
and
now
we're
in
a
position
where
we
have
to
move
as
much
funding
around
as
possible
to
adjust
and
and
flex
to
meet
the
the
new
needs
that
become
apparent
as
we
move
along
and
that's
why
the
the
delegated
authority
Provisions
are
to
enable
us
to
make
quick
funding
decisions
that
are
required
to
address
the
needs
in
the
community
and
to
fulfill
the
will
of
counsel,
which
is
to
move
out
of
a
fiscal
distancing,
Center
model
and
move
into
a
more
permanent
Supportive
Housing
model.
I
To
do
that,
we
need
some
flexibility
with
the
funding
of
envelopes
that
we
have
and
right
now,
they're
they're
very
prescribed,
especially
when
we
look
at
the
the
one
that
the
city
is
100
funding
that
enables
us
to
do
quite
a
quite
a
lot
in
terms
of
responding
and
creative
and
innovative
ways,
and
that's
why
you're
seeing
the
family,
the
family
pilot,
the
large
family
pilot,
because
Cobbs
doesn't
give
us
the
tools
so
staff.
Our
staff
are
amazing.
I
Our
staff
have
come
forward
with
a
very
creative
model
to
try
and
help
us
move
families
out
of
a
large
families
out
of
homelessness
into
more
permanent
housing
and
other
other,
the
bridge
housing,
the
bridge,
housing
pilot
or
program.
That's
in
the
report
is
another
one
that
we
started
last
year
with
singles
who
are
in
shelters
to
move
them
out
of
shelters
rapidly
and
sustain
their
housing
with
a
bridge
funding
support
for
six
months.
That
kind
of
creative
approach
is
not
afforded
to
us
under
the
provincial,
the
provincial
program.
I
So
the
flexibility
through
the
delegated
authority
is
critical
to
enable
us
to
bring
forward
in
consultation
with
the
sector
Innovative
and
Creative.
Solutions
to
move
people
out
of
shelter
because
we
are
all
wanting
people
to
not
be
in
shelters
any
longer
than
they
need
to
be
in
shelter,
so
we
want
to
move
them
out
of
shelters,
so
we
need
some
flexibility.
We
need
that
sort
of
authority
to
be
able
to
to
make
those
Flex
decisions.
I
I
Just
sort
of
gathering
my
thoughts,
the
funding
that
we're
that
as
I
explained,
that
we
have
right
now
what
we
want
to
do
as
we
review
over
the
next
year.
Our
10-year
plan
is
to
look
at
the
funding.
We
have
right
now
and
say:
can
we
do
better?
Can
we
move
things
around
a
little
better
in
consultation
with
the
sector,
to
address
the
needs
that
are
today
apparent?
And
you
know,
as
Paul
explained,
given
the
changes
in
the
funding
model.
I
Last
year
we
had
an
an
eight
million
dollar
deficit
that
we
were
able
to
absorb
and
and
find
solutions
for
in
other
ways.
This
year
we
are
projecting
similar
a
similar
deficit,
because
nothing
is
sort
of
changed
in
terms
of
the
needs
right
now.
They
the
needs,
far
away
the
available
emergency
shelter
spaces.
What
we're
doing
is
we're
working
very
closely
with
financial
services
to
identify
all
of
our
anticipated
potential
deficits
to
our
Sheltering
budget
and
to
bring
that
forward
to
council
at
budget
time.
H
So
I
think,
while
I
agree
that
we
shouldn't
be
using
property
taxes
to
fund
things
at
other
levels
of
government
are
doing,
I
think
we're
going
to
hit
a
point
where
the
rubber
hits
the
road
we
have
to
decide.
If
we
want
to
be
ambitious
or
not
on
this
file,
because
I'm
concerned
that,
while
we're
doing
all
this
amazing
work,
the
numbers
are
staying
more
or
less
the
same.
H
There's
still
people
falling
into
homelessness,
there's
still
a
huge
number
of
chronically
homeless
individuals
who
are
spending
more
than
six
months
a
year
in
the
shelter
system
and
that's
really
unacceptable,
but
that
is
I.
I
applaud
all
the
work
you're
doing
and
I
know
that
the
programming
that
you
put
together
really
does
change
lives.
So
thank
you.
So
much
I
just
have
one
more
question.
So
I
really
welcome
the
pilot
project
for
large
families.
H
I
think
that's
great,
but
the
average
price
of
a
one-bedroom
apartment,
certainly
in
my
ward,
is
over
two
thousand
dollars
and
the
numbers
that
you
put
together
for
the
additional
subsidy
assume
that
you
can
rent
a
five-bedroom
townhouse
for
eighteen
hundred
and
eighty
two
dollars
have
have
you
found
such
unicorns,
because
I've
certainly
never
seen
them
I'm,
just
wondering
what
that's
or
is
that
subsidy?
Assuming
that
the
household
has
other
income
that
can
make
up
the
difference.
H
Okay,
so
this
is
page
16,
so
the
couple
with
okay
go
with
the
single
parent
with
six
children.
H
So
it's
fantastic
that
the
pilot
benefit
would
be
much
higher
of
1486.
But
the
question
is,
as
a
Housing
Services
team,
have
you
found
housing
that
would
house
seven
people
for
essentially
fifteen
hundred
dollars
a
month,
or
should
we
be
bumping
that
subsidy
even
higher?
My
concern?
Is
that
it's
more,
but
is
it
even
close
to
enough.
J
J
H
Well,
I
welcome
that
program.
I
would
love
to
see
us
really
closely
monitor
the
outcomes
in
the
next
couple
of
years,
because
I'm
concerned.
The
problem,
of
course,
is
that
supplements
I
know.
People
are
rejecting
supplements.
H
I've
heard
this,
because
the
rents
are
so
high
that
they're
not
getting
them
very
far,
so
they'd
rather
wait
for
rent
geared
to
income,
so
they're
willing
to
stay
in
shelter
longer
because
they
think
they're
going
to
get
a
better
shot
at
permanent,
affordable
housing
and
the
problem
with
these
income
with
these
housing
portable
benefits
they're
great,
but
in
an
out
of
control,
housing
market
they're,
not
getting
you
very
so
I.
Welcome.
A
D
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
the
work,
that's
being
done
for
the
large
families,
because
it's
extremely
sad
because
I
have
a
motel
by
the
way,
just
at
the
top
of
my
street
so
and
the
shelter
across
the
street,
so
they're
not
all
downtown.
But
it's
it's
a
concern
when
you
see
a
family
using
two
hotel,
motel
rooms
and
they're
a
large
family
is
this
a
growth?
Is
this
we're
seeing
more
and
more
large
families
coming
with
like
single
parent
families?
This
is,
or
is
this
just
more
recent.
J
At
present,
we
have
identified
21
families
who
were
in
in
this
situation,
just
to
give
you
a
sense,
but
it's
it's
has
been
a
regular
occurrence
in
in
our
our
goal
is
to
to
eliminate
that
need
through
this
through
this
program,
to
make
sure
that
they
don't
stay
in
the
shelters
longer
than
they
need
to.
Thank.
D
You
I
believe
OCH
is
also
working
on
making
larger
units
continuing
to
create
larger
units,
not
just
the
ones
that
they
have
in
terms
of
the
sites
that
we're
looking
at
for
the
future.
Is
this
part
of
the
strategy
as
well
like
we
have
our.
E
J
Through
you,
madam
chair,
yes,
it's
always
part
of
the
plan
to
include
a
variety
of
of
unit
sizes.
It
it's
more
challenging
to
have
a
four
bedroom
units
in
a
in
a
building
like
a
architecturally.
It's
it's
it's
more
difficult,
but
it's
so
that's
why
we
see
a
lot
less
constructed
as
as
part
of
that,
but
it's
always
every
time.
I
have
an
opportunity
to
put
a
plug
in
for
more
larger
units.
I
do
but
I
I
am
understanding
the
constraints
as
well.
D
Yeah,
no,
we
we've
been
looking
high
and
low
yeah.
As
you
know,
I've
been
I've
been
trying
to
find
places
and
that's
an
issue
with
the
cost
as
well.
In
terms
of
of
the
the
owner
of
the
of
the
properties.
D
Is
there
anything
we
can
do
in
terms
of
the
advocacy
to
the
provincial
government
I'm
happy
to
do
anything.
You
know
because
I
I
still
think
there's
there's
a
glimmer
of
hope,
because
it's
just
so
unfair
right
now.
I
A
I
My
apologies,
I
would
just
expressing
gratitude
to
council
and
the
mayor
for
your
work
in
supporting
our
staff
position
to
request
our
fair
share
of
funding,
and
that
will
continue.
That
will
continue.
D
Thank
you
very
much.
Is
there
I'm
hoping
that
what
we're
looking
at
is
a
non-growth
of
motels,
because
it's
extremely
sad
and
I
appreciate
we
have
our
own
shelter.
The
Carling
shelter,
for
example,
is
is.
Is
there
and
I
just
wanted
to
know
that
we're
we're
definitely
trying
to
curb
that
growth,
foreign.
A
A
That's
a
good
sign
that
they're
they're
validating
the
information
that
they're
working
with,
not
just
the
city,
but
also
our
community,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
lack
of
money
impacts
our
community
and
impacts
the
most
vulnerable,
so
continued
advocacy
through
the
mayor's
office
as
a
funneling
source
and
making
sure
that
we're
there.
You
know
once
again
if
we
need
to
to
work
together
as
a
council
to
make
sure
that
the
province
knows
that
this
funding
is
dire,
is
important
and
directly
needed
so
I,
just
very
quickly.
A
Counselor
King
before
I
go
to
you.
I
did
want
to
ask
following
up
on
one
of
counselor
troster's
questions.
This
is
to
staff
you
had
mentioned.
If
additional
funding
does
become
available,
that
you
will
then
have
delegated
authority
of
these
rep
recommendations
are
approved
to
maneuver
quickly
on
this,
will
there
be
a
mechanism
through
which
you
can
then
report
back
to
committee,
and
let
us
know
how
that
has
been
invested.
A
F
Thank
you
so
much
and
I
do
appreciate
councilor
Kavanaugh's
question
about
advocacy.
F
Just
a
few
weeks
ago,
I
was
able
to
attend
the
association
of
municipality
of
Ontario's
Symposium
on
homelessness
in
Toronto,
and
that
was
a
big
Focus
was
around
advocacy
not
just
for
our
City,
but
also
other
cities
throughout
the
province
and,
frankly,
I
had
the
opportunity
to
buttonhole
the
deputy
assistant
Minister
for
housing
and
really
tell
her
the
challenge
that
that
we
really
face,
which
is
you
know,
choosing
between
being
able
to
fund
Emergency,
Shelters
or
permanent
housing
and
not
being
able
to
do
both.
F
So
it's
very
frustrating
and
I
I.
Really
thank
you
for
that
that
that
line
of
inquiry
with
staff,
the
challenge
is,
you
know,
having
enough
for
funding
for
programming
and
I'm,
really
in
really
pleased
to
see
this
pilot
and,
of
course,
I'm
I'm.
Zealous,
like
all
my
other
colleagues
and
I,
think
Paul
might
have
answered
the
question
in
a
sense
that
I
know
the
report.
It
said
15
families,
but
you
said
21
families,
so
that
might
be
an
updated
number
I'm
just
curious.
F
J
Thank
you
through
you,
madam
chair,
the.
In
the
long
run,
we
fully
intend
to
help
the
21
families,
even
though
this
is
a
pilot,
and
you
know
to
help
those
those
21
families
we're
talking
about
355
to
380
000
annually,
which
would
make
which
would
be
a
Sound
Investment.
But
we
will
we
will.
We
will
start
with
our
our
tan
and
and
evaluate
and
and
go
from
there
as
we
do
with
all
of
our
projects
and
programs.
J
But
you
know
I
foresee
that
we'll
be
able
to
help
all
those
families.
F
I
appreciate
that
answer
and
if
the
number
had
been
more
around
10
to
15
and
we're
only
able
to
help
five
to
ten
would
have
been
my
inclination
to
seek
a
way
to
to
really
help
that
that
number
of
families,
because,
while
I
appreciate
it,
is
seven
to
ten
people,
which
is
a
large
number.
F
When
we
look
at
the
number
that
you
quoted
back
to
us.
Obviously,
in
the
context
of
our
of
our
budget,
that
seems
to
be
a
rounding
error.
So
I
mean
I
agree
with
councilor
troster
that
we'll
have
to
work
harder
to
find
some
more
dollars
for
our
investments.
F
The
next
question
I
had
and
I
guess
their
own
number
of
questions
in
the
sense
is
that
the
the
homeless
prevention
program
from
The
Province
requires
that
all
service
providers
contribute
to
these
cities
by
name
list
when
I
was
at
that
Symposium
I
Heard
excitement
actually
from
the
municipalities
that
they
have
this
tool
to
be
able
to
track
residents
in
real
time
and
try
to
assist
them
either
in
terms
of
prevention
or
for
finding
housing.
F
I
just
wanted
to
know
how
many
and
it
says
in
the
report
that
the
submission
of
the
list
was
supposed
to
close
April
1st,
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
many
people
are
currently
on
that
list.
For
the
city
of
Ottawa.
J
Through
human
M,
chair
I
guess,
the
city
of
Ottawa
has
has
had
a
by
name
list
since
2015
when
we
implemented
the
housing
first
program
has
been
refined
over
the
years
and
with
the
new,
with
the
implementation
of
the
new
HPP
program,
our
staff
has
been
working
diligently
over
the
years
over
the
year
to
you
know,
to
improve
our
data
collection
tools
and
make
sure
that
we
streamline
our
data
collection
and
an
analysis
from
all
of
our
various
funding
streams.
J
So
on
the
the
list
of
of
chronically
only
there's
different
lists,
chronically
homeless,
all
of
homelessness,
but
I
I
could
come
back
to
you
with
those
exact
numbers.
If
you
want
or
send
us
a
request
for
information
in
terms
of
the
exact
type
of
of
data
sets
that
you
would
like
yep.
F
I
would
appreciate
a
listing
because
I
think
other
municipalities
are
seeing
that
as
an
excellent
tool
to
track
progress
and
I
know
that
in
our
first
meeting,
obviously
we
did
move
emotions
that
asked
for
correct
numbers.
F
So
you
know
that
might
be
sufficient
in
and
of
itself
in
terms
of
the
The
Tool,
but
we
definitely
would
love
to
see
that
reporting,
because,
obviously
this
is
an
amazing
tool
for
us
to
ensure
that
we're
making
progress
or,
if
we're,
not
making
progress,
to
ascertain
the
the
added
resources
that
we
would
require
in
terms
of
Investments.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
the
pilot.
F
I'm
really
excited
about
that
and,
like
I
said,
like
my
other
colleagues,
I'm,
really
zealous
about
us
moving
forward
as
quickly
as
possible
to
ensure
that
those
families
that
are
experiencing
chronic
homelessness
are
house
as
quickly
as
possible.
Thank
you,
chair.
L
Hi
everyone
thank
you
for
being
here.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
question
because
it
does
relate
to
delegated
authority.
L
I
know
we
have
instructions
from
Council
to
move
away
from
shelters
in
our
recreational
centers,
but
in
the
event
of
an
emergency
or
some
sort
of
dire
circumstances,
and
we
could
argue
we
are
in
that
that
area
of
that
situation
right
now.
It
would,
however,
give
staff
delegated
authority
to
put
shelters
in
our
recreational
centers.
If
the
need
was
there
correct.
I
L
N
Thank
you,
chair
I
note
from
the
report
that,
as
part
of
the
allocation
we
have
about
2.4
million
dollars
that
we're
going
to
spend
in
administration
and
I.
Don't
doubt
that
that's
needed
to
deal,
though,
with
the
complexity
of
this
file,
but
I,
sometimes
wonder
what
what
are
we
doing
to
track
that
the
admin
Dollar
in
the
administration?
It's
a
very,
very
complicated
field,
with
a
lot
of
providers
doing
all
good
work.
But
you
know
in
the
health
care
sector
and
the
education
sector.
N
You
see,
you
know,
efficiency
as
much
as
it.
It
presents
challenges
I'm,
not
so
sure
it's
an
efficient
system
at
times
and
so
I'm
wondering
as
counselors.
What
tools
do
we
have
sort
of
measure
that
we've
you
know
we're
it's
an
efficient
system
and
we're
putting
in
what's
really
neat
in
terms
of
administration.
I,
look
at
the
multi-faced
Housing
Initiative,
the
veterans,
house
and
I,
sometimes
think
smaller
is
better.
Really
I
mean
they.
They
did
a
lot
on
that
file.
N
They
went
out
and
got
Partners
both
the
federal
government
Veterans
Affairs
as
they
should
they
work
with.
You
know
the
community
to
fundraise
for
it,
and
you
know
they
did
a
fantastic
job
and
I
sort
of
think
sometimes
maybe
smaller
is
better
I
used
to
think
that
it
was
bigger's
better,
but
maybe
we
you
know
we
should
be
looking
at
these
small
organizations
that
seem
to
to
Really
be
a
little
bit
more
efficient,
perhaps
in
terms
of
efficiency.
N
So
I
guess
my
question
is
what
tools
we
have
as
counselors
to
know
that
the
system's
efficient
that
we're
putting
the
least
amount
into
it,
man
as
possible,
so
that
we're
putting
it
towards
actually
providing
housing
units
or
supports
thanks.
I
Three
men
chair.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
So
there
are
two.
There
are
two
Administration
scenarios
that
I
believe
are
are
part
of
your
question.
I
Counselor,
the
one
in
the
report
represents
our
costs
to
operate
the
HPP
program,
so
those
are
internal
to
the
city,
so
City
staff,
the
staff
that
work
on
the
not
only
distribution
of
the
funding,
but
to
your
other,
to
your
second
point,
question
the
engagement
with
the
organization
in
question
that
receives
the
funding
and
building
a
relationship
with
that
organization
and
doing
regular
reviews
with
the
organization
doing
on-site
spot
checks
with
the
organization
and
setting
out
maximum
eligible
maximum
Administration
funds
that
the
each
agency
can
spend.
I
We
are
very
efficient
in
terms
of
how
the
the
systems
and
the
Frameworks
for
accountability
that
we
put
in
into
place
in
addition
to
council
directed
and
approved
Frameworks,
and
each
of
our
providers,
We
Believe,
are-
are
doing
their
very
best
to
be
efficient.
But,
as
you
say,
there's
always
an
opportunity
to
have
those
questions
and
to
have
those
conversations.
And
we
do
that
on
an
ongoing
basis.
And
we
can
do
that
as
well
as
part
of
a
review
as
part
of
our
10-year
plan.
Next
year.
Great.
N
Thanks
and-
and
so
there's
no
like
in
addition
to
that,
there's
no
benchmarks
that
we
use
I
I
learned
that
the
school
boards,
so,
for
example,
The
Province,
will
say
here's
your
allocation
for
schools
right
so
that
it's
consistent
across
the
promise.
There
may
be
some
variation
by
region,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
kind
of
puts
in
a
control
saying
if
you're
going
to
build
a
school.
This
is
kind
of
what
is
the
allocation.
N
So
if
you
want
to
build
something
bigger
and
better,
you
know
you're
kind
of
on
your
own.
So
do
we
have
those
kind
of
tools
that
when
we
fund,
we
say
this,
this
is
kind
of
the
The
Benchmark.
This
is
the
standard
for
housing
so
that
we're
again
efficient
in
in
the
deployment
of
the
resources,
since
it's
so
going
to
decentralized
in
terms
of
administration.
J
Through
you,
madam
chair,
yes,
as
a
community,
we're
in
receipt
of
provincial
Federal
funding
and
as
well
as
the
homelessness
funding,
we
put
together
a
framework
for
our
our
goals
in
terms
of
homelessness
reduction
and
which
is
articulated
into
our
10-year
plan,
and
every
year
we
report
to
the
province
and
to
the
the
the
federal
government,
as
well
as
Council,
through
our
annual
reporting
on
how
we're
doing
in
terms
of
achieving
those
targets
that
we
have
set
for
ourselves.
For
example,
25
reduction
in
overall
homelessness
over
the
next
10
years.
J
We
want
to
eliminate
chronic
homelessness.
We
want
to
reduce
indigenous
homelessness
by
25,
so
so
our
10-year
plan,
that's
our
that's
our
framework,
and
then
we
develop
strategies
to
to
achieve
those.
Those
goals
that
are,
you
know,
aspiration
aspirational.
But
you
know
we
have
to
fight
to
to
get
there.
A
Merci,
councilor
Carr.
K
Yeah
I'll
just
be
quick,
just
I
found
it
really
interesting.
In
response
to
counselor
King's
question
that
to
house
10
to
15
families,
the
cost
was
approximately
385
000
in
operating
funds
a
year.
Is
that
correct.
J
K
So
just
a
comment:
I
previously
asked
for
statistics
when
looking
at
the
over
house
list
and
I
asked
a
question
to
to
staff
in
your
area
when,
when
Donna
gray
was
still
there,
and
it
would
to
you
know
how
to
create
a
program
for
rent
geared
to
income
units
equivalent
to
the
winter
to
income
program
in
perpetuity.
If
we
could
find
251
bedrooms
now,
of
course,
there's
not
251
bedrooms
and
the
answer
was
1.8
million
per
year.
K
I
just
want
to
say
to
my
colleagues
like
these
costs
are
fairly
low,
like
when
we
look
at
the
cost
to
House
people
and
I
think
that
it's
going
to
be
a
really
interesting
term,
as
we
move
forward
in
these
because
compared
to
what
we
pay
for
a
lot
of
things,
these
are
relatively
low
costs
to
house
people,
get
them
out
of
our
hotels,
motels,
get
them
off
of
our
list
and
and
get
them
properly
housed.
It's
almost
just
a
comment.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
Carr,
councilor,
Kavanaugh,.
D
Thank
you
further
to
working
with
on
finding
accommodation
for
large
families.
Is
it
possible
to
approach
our
faith
communities
who
are
looking
at
developing
their
properties?
There
are
a
number
of
them.
We've
seen
one
out
in
Orleans
that
just
redeveloped
a
property
for
affordable
housing,
and
this
is
obviously
a
trend,
we're
seeing
as
congregations
are
reduced
and
they
have
valuable
properties
in
central
locations.
D
J
Through
you,
madam
chair,
yes,
it's
it's
an
ongoing
dialogue
that
we
have
with
with
various
religious
organizations.
J
J
And
I'm,
typically,
typically,
it's
you
know
it's
it's.
The
property
is
sold
and
like
we
can
purchase,
or
you
know,
rehabilitate
as
as
we
see
fit.
But
typically
there
is
it's
an
acquisition.
It's
not
a
lease
and
and
capital
funding
is
required.
Okay,.
E
J
Madam
chair,
we
could
explore
the
feasibility
of
providing
some
housing
subsidies
as
part
of
those
those
units,
apparently
depending
on
the
availability
of
those
subsidies,
the
the
priorities
of
those
subsidies
Etc,
but
it's
not,
it
can
be
explored.
Yes,
okay,.
A
Thank
you
counselor
right,
seeing
no
further
questions.
The
report
recommendations
are
before
us.
Are
these
items
carried.
A
Thank
you,
everyone.
We
are
now
on
item
6.1,
which
is
a
status
update
of
committee
inquiries,
emotions
for
the
period
ending
May
9th
2023.
A
Is
this
item
received,
save
saved?
Okay
number.
Seven
is
in-camera
items
we
have
none
at
the
moment.
Nor
do
we
have
any
notices
of
motion
for
a
subsequent
meeting
number
nine.
We
do
have
two
inquiries
and
9.1
a
concierge
plant
is
physical,
distancing,
Center
reporting.
Did
you
want
to
read
that
into
the
record.
K
L
So
a
physical
distancing,
Center,
also
known
as
pdcs,
have
been
used
across
the
city
since
2020,
with
the
most
concentrated
impacts
on
Wards,
18
and
12.,
a
motion
requesting
a
report
on
the
transition
out
of
pdc's
pass
committee
on
February,
28,
2023
and
Council
on
March
8
2023.
The
motion
requests
a
report
in
Q2
2023
Q2,
ending
in
June
2023
to
cancel.
Last
week
my
office
learned
that
this
report
has
been
pushed
to
June.
L
It
is
unclear
as
to
why
this
decision
was
made
in
the
same
week,
both
counselors
for
Ward,
12
and
18
receive
Community
groups
who
use
Dempsey,
Community,
Center
and
Belmont
Arena,
who
wish
to
use
the
community
center
and
arena
in
the
fall
of
2023.
As
such,
this
inquiry
is
requesting
the
following
questions
regard
this
report
be
answered
by
community
and
Social
Services.
L
Why
was
the
report
pushed
back
from
May
23rd
CSC
meeting
to
June
27th
when
the
PDC
transition
is
meant
to
occur
no
later
than
August?
Will
the
trans?
How
will
the
transition
be
impacted?
What
is
the
communication
strategy
to
inform
Community
groups,
community
members
and
the
recreational
center
residents
of
these
impacts?
To
whom
was
the
reasoning
for
this
delay
communicated
how
many
residents
have
been
occupying
Heron,
road,
balnagaramai
and
Dempsey,
since
the
move
from
Jim
Durrell
in
the
jail
hostel
in
Spring
of
2023,
total
capacity
and
total
occupancy
by
month?
L
How
many
of
these
residents
were
successfully
rehoused?
What
has
been
the
cost
of
operating
physical,
distancing
centers
in
2023
to
date?
What
is
the
projected
cost
for
2023
fiscal
year?
What
is
the
cost
to
rehouse?
The
number
of
individuals
currently
in
the
pdc's
has
BP
Staffing
to
this
end
been
considered.
Merci.
K
Because
I,
like
data,
so
over
the
past
year,
staff
have
worked
to
restructure
the
recording
methods
in
the
system
for
compiling
data
from
all
the
funded
Community
agencies
and
City
operations
successfully
meet
Province
requirements.
Housing
Services
initiatives
have
been
focused
on
building
a
more
robust
data
set
for
the
housing
and
homelessness
sector
that
will
support
data-led
decision
making
both
the
federal
and
provincial
funding
programs,
which,
together,
make
up
over
three
quarters
of
the
city's
homelessness
funding,
prioritize
flexibility,
system,
coordination
and
data,
informed
approaches.
K
The
alignment
between
these
funding
programs
is
essential
for
the
city
shift
towards
building
an
Integrated
Systems
approach
with
a
common
decision-making
process
and
goals
as
such,
access
to
information
and
a
solid
understanding
of
the
Department's
data
is
crucial
for
staff
counselors
and
the
public
to
understand
and
address
the
city's
response
to
the
ongoing
housing
and
how
homelessness
emergency.
The
following
clarifications
are
requested
to
assist
in
understanding
this.
K
K
Oh
I
can
do
it
myself,
capacity
and
occupancy
of
pdc's
capacity
and
occupancy
of
hotels,
motels
capacity
and
occupancy
of
ircc
spaces
and
hotels.
If
we
can
obtain
that
capacity,
occupancy
of
Youth
beds
in
the
shelter
system,
capacity
and
occupancy
of
women's
beds
in
the
Sheltering
system,
capacity
and
occupancy
of
men's
beds
in
the
shelter
system
and
capacity
and
occupancy
of
remaining
beds
not
captured
in
the
previous
three
categories,
in
the
shelter
system
and
beyond
the
shelter
system,
there
are
residents,
sleeping
rough
and
response
to
the
inquiry.
K
A
Thank
you,
counselor
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
to
you
both
and
staff
will
take
those
both
away.
We
are
now
on
item
10,
other
business,
which
we
have
none
of
so
we'll
continue
through,
and
then
the
last
item
is
adjournment
is
that
is
a
German
carried
all
right
have.