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Environment and Climate Change Committee
Meeting #: 2
Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2023
Time: 9:30 am
Location: Champlain Room, 110 Laurier Avenue West, and by electronic participation
A
There's
a
lot
to
go
through
with
several
delegations
for
for
several
items,
so
first
I'll
just
see
if
there's
any
Declarations
of
Interest,
okay.
Seeing
none
next
item
is
the
confirmation
of
minutes
are
the
minutes,
one
of
the
environment
and
climate
change.
Community
meeting
of
Tuesday,
the
23rd
of
February
2023,
confirmed
okay.
A
There
is
an
item
Communications
and
correspondence
that
treat
clearing
near
the
Taiwan
area,
this
item's
on
the
agenda,
because
there
was
a
significant
interest
and
obviously
there's
12
delegations
that
have
or
13
delegations
that
have
registered
for
that
item.
There's
also
a
staff,
three
staff
presentation,
as
well
as
a
draft
Direction,
so
with
the
willow
committee,
I'd
like
to
lift
this
item
onto
the
agenda
for
the
consideration,
and
we
can
listen
to
a
number
of
delegations
that
have
come
out
today
to
speak
is
that
is
that
carried
fantastic?
Thank
you.
A
C
D
C
A
You
very
much,
and
hopefully
with
the
willow
committee,
we
can
just
carry
on
where
I
had
left
off
breezing
through
the
agenda
here.
So
number
four
point
one
is:
is
held:
5.1
there's
the
environmental
stewardship
advisory
committee
end
of
term
closeout
report.
There
is
a
delegation
so
we'll
hold
this
items.
We've
got
the
one
registered
speaker,
5.2
the
status
update
environment
and
climate
change,
committee
inquiries
and
motions
for
the
period
ending
March
10th.
There's
no
speakers
or
no
correspondence
on
this
item.
Can
we
receive
this
item?
A
Thank
you
item
six,
the
6.1,
the
Wastewater
energy
transfer
pilot
project,
we're
gonna,
hold
this
item.
Staff
have
a
presentation
and
we've
got
one
registered
delegation
so
excited
to
hear
that
report
later
on
to
see
today,
Public
Works,
Department
financial
statements
for
in-house
solid
waste
collection-
external
audits.
A
A
We'll
come
back
to
those
pieces.
So
the
first
item
up
is
our
Communications
correspondence,
the
tree
clearing
near
the
Taiwan
area,
and
there
are
several
registered
speakers
but
I
think
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
go
to
City
Staff
first
for
just
a
brief
presentation
or
a
brief
overview
and
then
we'll
move
into
the
registered
speakers.
E
So
a
little
background
on
February
17th
staff
were
made
aware
of
a
tree
cutting
operation
in
the
within
the
Taiwan
area.
The
land
where
the
tree
cutting
was
occurring
is
within
the
larger
K1
ownership
area,
but
is
not
within
the
area
that
was
approved
for
urban
expansion
by
City
Council
on
the
province.
E
The
ownership
group
subsequently
provided
notice
that
the
tree
cutting
was
to
support
future
agricultural
operations.
The
tree
protection
bylaw
does
include
an
exemption
or
tree
permitting
requirements.
If
the
tree
removal
is
required
for
normal
Farm
practices,
documentation
that
the
tree
clearing
was
done
in
preparation
for
farming
activities
was
provided
to
City
staff
by
the
Taylor
ownership
group,
based
on
staff's
review,
legal,
legal
and
planning
staffs
review
of
the
information
provided,
it
was
confirmed
that
the
tree
cutting
is
exempt
from
the
tree
protection
bylaw.
E
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
for
that
introduction
there'll
be
a
chance
to
ask
staff
questions
after
we
hear
from
delegations
and
there
is
a
direction
as
well
that
we'll
read
in
as
well
we'll
go
after
delegations
on
that
piece.
So
the
first
delegation
is
William
Van
giest
program
coordinator
for
Ecology
Ottawa,
William
you're
up
for
five
minutes.
A
F
F
Even
if
it
took
five
days
for
them
to
do
so.
Surely
we
thought
the
destruction
was
over
to
our
shocked
horror.
However,
the
city
lifted
the
work
order
on
March
7th,
permitting
the
destruction
to
continue
and,
in
fact,
the
landowners
enjoy.
The
city's
blessing
to
this
very
moment
as
members
of
the
environmental
sort
of
the
environment
and
climate
change
committee
on
a
day
that
the
United
Nations
has
designated
International
Day
of
forests.
You
don't
need
me
to
remind
you
of
the
critical
importance
of
trees.
F
F
We
are,
as
I
mentioned
outraged.
So
too
are
hundreds
of
ottawans.
On
March
2nd,
we
launched
a
petition
calling
on
the
city
to
investigate
the
clear
cutting
to
hold
the
landowners
accountable
to
take
steps
to
prevent
future
clear-cutting
and
to
increase
funding
to
enforce
the
treat
protection
bylaw
to
date.
Over
600
people
from
across
the
city
have
signed
this
petition.
F
F
F
Obviously
it's
too
late
to
save
this
Forest.
The
damage
is
done.
Here's
what
we're
asking!
First
of
all
transparency.
How
did
the
city
come
through
the
decision
to
lift
the
stop
work
order?
Secondly,
future
protections:
a
requirement
that
groups
show
in
advance
that
they're
in
agricultural
operation
before
claiming
this
exemption
to
the
relevant
bylines.
F
We
have
heard
that
this
mayor
and
Council
have
ambitious
plans
to
plant
trees
and
reforest
the
canopy,
and
that
needs
to
be
complemented
by
protecting
the
trees
and
forests
that
we
already
steward
I
will
be
watching
your
deliberations
today,
I
and
the
hundreds
of
ottawans
who
understand
the
value
of
our
precious
forests.
Thank
you.
A
G
H
H
First
I
want
to
thank
committee,
chair
Menard,
for
raising
this
issue,
so
residents
are
able
to
speak
to
it
today.
It's
important
that
we
have
some
Avenue
to
discuss
this
in
a
public
forum
given
tax,
incredible
incredibly
incredible,
lack
of
transparency
around
it
with
residents
of
the
surrounding
community
of
Carlsbad
Springs,
as
well
as
residents
across
the
city
to
whom
this
issue
is
also
of
extreme
importance.
H
The
rally
that
we
held
two
weekends
ago
in
Carlsbad
Springs
was
a
notable
example
of
how
rural,
suburban
and
urban
residents
are
united
in
their
opposition
to
the
actions
of
tagger,
as
well
as
in
support
of
more
action
when
it
comes
to
climate
change.
Yesterday,
several
news
outlets
wrote
about
the
synthesis
report
from
the
ipcc
or
intergovernmental
panel
on
climate
change
that
was
published
and
the
Outlook
is
grim.
The
report
is
a
full-throated
call
for
the
massive
yet
doable
changes
our
government.
H
Our
governments,
rather
must
enact
to
limit
the
damage
that
comes
with
each
fraction
of
a
degree
of
warming.
The
report
says
that
quote:
there
is
a
rapidly
closing
there's
a
rapidly
closing
window
of
opportunity
to
secure
livable
and
sustainable
future
for
all
the
choices
and
actions
implemented
in
this
decade
will
have
impacts
now
and
for
thousands
of
years.
In
fact,
the
report
also
mentions
some
important
mitigation
measures
when
it
comes
to
climate
change
that
includes
trees
like
integrating
trees
into
Farmland.
H
If
the
land
is
truly
being
used
for
farming
and
I
have
my
touts,
then
it
should
integrate
this
measure,
for
example,
and
carbon
removal
through
the
planting
of
more
trees,
not
cutting
more
of
them
down.
I'd,
also
be
incredibly
remiss
if
I
didn't
mention
the
mayor's
own
goal
of
planting
one
million
trees
in
the
next
four
years
or
250
000
annually,
I'd,
say
The
Cutting
of
cutting
of
now
tens
of
thousands
of
trees
probably
puts
a
dent
in
that
plant.
H
For
someone
who
made
such
a
bold
and
ambitious
promise
on
tree
planting
and
our
tree
canopy,
it
has
been
disappointing
but
entirely
predictable,
to
say
the
least.
The
Sierra
mayor
be
almost
completely
silent
on
this,
to
mention,
obviously,
the
climate
emergency
that
the
city
announced
in
2019,
of
which
very
little
hasn't
done,
are
the
profits
of
developers
more
important
to
our
mayor
and
Council
than
climate
policy
and
preserving
our
ever
shrinking
tree
canopy,
but
on
the
topic
of
developer
profits
and
perceived
influence.
H
It's
important
to
note
that,
based
on
our
own
reports
from
Horizon
ottawa's
database
of
developer
donations
to
the
2018
election,
the
2022
donations,
of
course
aren't
available.
Yet
Taggart
spent
the
most
money
over
seventy
one
thousand
dollars
in
donations
to
candidates,
one
of
them
being
the
counselor
for
the
area,
Georgia
ruse
and
another.
One
of
note,
being
a
member
of
this
very
committee,
councilor
Tierney,
who
accepted
13
of
his
total
donations.
Forty
four
hundred
dollars
from
the
tiger
group
of
companies
out
of
his
total
thirty
two
thousand
dollars
in
donations.
H
And
if
our
rules
allow
for
tag
or
it's
massive,
clear
cutting,
then
those
rules
in
our
tree
protection
byla
have
to
be
reformed.
As
the
previous
speaker
also
said,
No
Good,
Tree
protection
bylaw,
would
have
allowed
for
this
developer,
to
clear,
cut
over
25
000
trees
and
then
be
Exempted
without
any
question
when
they
said
it
was
very
questionably
for
farming
purposes
and
how
do
they
prove
this
to
the
city?
Those
documents
or
any
evidence
need
to
be
made
public
and
is
the
land
much
of
it.
That
is
on
a
wetland
even
firmable
and
further.
H
H
We
we
need
to
be
building
homes,
we're
in
a
housing
crisis
and
I
was
very
happy
yesterday
to
see
that
the
planning
and
housing
committee
approved
the
contested,
affordable
housing
development
in
Orleans,
but
we
need
more
of
that
denser,
affordable
and
livable
neighborhoods
built
in
existing
parts
of
the
city
where
there
is
infrastructure
to
sustain
it,
not
incredible
sprawl
that
we
know
is
incredibly
bad
for
our
environment.
We
need
more
housing.
We
certainly
do
but
housing
that
people
can
afford
on
housing
that
doesn't
lead
to
unnecessary
destruction
of
our
shrinking
tree
canopy.
A
I
Okay,
that's
awesome:
okay,
so
I'm
Angela,
Keller
Herzog,
the
executive
director
of
cafes
nice
to
see
you
here
this
morning,
Cafe's
next
slide.
Please
cafes
is
ottawa's
environment
and
climate
Network
I.
Think
most
of
you
know
us
next
slide.
Please,
and
we
have
a
mandate
to
support
Community
Action
to
Be
an
Effective
advocacy
network
and
to
build
community
next
slide.
Please
so
I'm
I'm
gonna
be
not
as
wide-ranging
and
deep
and
fundamental
as
the
preceding
delegations,
but
a
little
bit
more
focused
and
pointed
so.
I
We've
lost
an
estimated
25
000
trees
in
this
clear-cut.
Perhaps
more
perhaps
more
trees
are
being
cut.
It's
a
large
tract
of
land.
So
we
we
understand-
and
we've
come
to
realize
that
you
don't
need
to
go
to
Brazil
to
to
have
clear-cut
on
fairly
poor
agricultural
land.
But
that's
happening
right
here.
So
my
question
is:
what
are
the
policy
tools
for
for
how
we
deal
with
the
loss
of
forest
cover
in
the
rural
area?
I
And
if
we
look
at
the
official
plan,
indeed
that
there
is
provision
to
protect
the
city's
natural
environment
and
to
identify
the
natural
heritage
system
next
slide?
Please,
and
under
that
4.8
set
of
policies,
policy
number
five
then
tells
us
that
the
city
shall
take
a
no
net
loss
approach
with
respect
to
evaluated
wetlands
and
also
to
Forest
cover,
so
this
would
apply
fairly
squarely
next
slide.
Please
looking
at
not
just
rural
but
also
Urban.
I
So
these
are
our
policy
statements
then.
So
the
question
is:
what
are
the
tools
for
us
to
be
actually
ensuring
this
no
net
loss
for
sure
we
need
to
measure
what
we
want
to
manage
and
when
I
have
questions
about
where's
the
data
on
our
rural
Forest
cover?
Where
is
the
data
on
our
Urban
canopy?
What
are
the
losses
due
to,
for
example,
the
direct
show?
What
are
the
losses
due
to
Urban
Development
I'm,
not
able
to
get
that
data?
I
I
can
get
numbers
per
word
about
the
very
small
number
of
trees
that
have
been
planted,
but
I
can't
get
the
data
in
terms
of
the
trees
that
we've
lost.
So
if
we're
going
to
have
a
no
net
loss
policy,
then
we
first
of
all
need
to
have
that
data
and
right
now.
The
word
is
that
there's
no
capacity
for
that
next
slide,
please.
I
So,
in
the
context
of
the
budget,
we
saw
that
there
was
only
a
small
budget
increase
to
the
Natural
systems
and
forest
service,
but
we
know
that
if
they
don't
even
have
the
capacity
to
measure
and
track
this
for
counselors
and
for
the
public,
are
we
really
on
track
to
planning
planting,
protecting
and
financing
this
Equity
Equitable
40
tree
canopy?
And
how
are
we
actually
implementing
this?
No
net
loss
policy
next
slide,
please.
I
One
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
evident
and
obvious
is:
is
that
to
do
this?
We'll
take
resources
so
to
have
this
green
infrastructure?
In
balance
with
our
great
infrastructure
is
going
to
take
allocation
of
effort
and
resources
and
I
Look
to
You
Council,
to
figure
out
what
the
plan
for
that
is
and
how
those
resources
get
allocated.
How
do
we
replace
those
25,
000
trees
that
have
just
been
clear-cut
and
that
spent
30
years
growing?
J
Yeah,
thank
you
Mr
chair
and
thank
you
for
the
delegation.
I
I'm
really
interested
in
the
the
concept
of
the
kind
of
looking
at
our
ratio.
I
like
the
gray
versus
Green
Space
concept,
I.
Think
it's
a
fair
comparable
to
look
at
I
out
in
barhaven.
I
hear
a
lot
about
the
the
golden
space
as
well.
You
know
and
the
the
agricultural
piece
that
we
we
see
you
know
just
north
of
barhaven
up
in
the
in
the
in
I.
J
Guess
it's
the
green
belt,
but
really
it's
more
of
a
golden
belt,
because
it's
Agriculture
and
and
I
would
just
be
interested
in
your
take
on.
You
know
that
ratio,
including
a
component
of
agricultural
land
because
I
know
that
that's
what
this
is
looking
to
move
towards,
but
you
know,
and
and
also
you
know,
just
from
the
perspective
of
you-
know:
sustainable
food
economies
and
such
and
local
local
producers,
and
such
you
know
how.
How
does
that
factor
into
this
analysis?
From
your
perspective,.
I
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
this
question.
Councilor
Hill,
so
there's
there's
really
two
issues.
One
is
in
in
my
slide.
I
was
actually
talking
about
investment
in
Gray
infrastructure
versus
investment
in
green
infrastructure
and
for
I
mean
if
we're
talking
about
these,
these
broad
buckets.
I
Perhaps
there
need
to
be
incentives
for
owners
of
Woodlands
to
be
protecting
that
green
infrastructure.
That
provides
us
with
these
environmental
and
ecological
Services
so
and
and
again
so
that
that
boils
down
to
the
budgets,
and
we
know
that
when
it
comes
to
gray
infrastructure
budgets,
those
are
very
quickly
hugely
expensive
right.
We're
talking
millions
of
dollars
right
away
as
soon
as
like
I
don't
know,
the
engineers
want
to
change
a
culvert,
that's
going
to
cost
you
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
right.
So
so
that's
that's.
I
One
discussion
in
terms
of
the
the
land
use,
I
I!
Don't
think
that
in
Ottawa,
we're
talking
about
the
gold
belt
anymore,
I
think
that
what
that
idea
was
was
ditched,
but
in
general,
I
think
that
the
protection
of
prime
agricultural
land
is
something
that
certainly
the
the
previous
chair
of
the
environment
committee.
I
Councilor
Moffat
would
speak
to
very
strongly,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
debate
like
around
when,
when
the
discussion
on
the
urban
boundary
came
up
where
a
lot
of
people
were
speaking
in
favor
of
that,
so
I
mean
I
think
that
we
should
support
that
as
as
a
very
strong
value.
Now
when
it
comes
to
the
table
land
in
question,
I
think
counselor
de
Roose
has
described
the
proposed
agricultural
use
as
an
an
interim
or
intermediate
temporary
use.
I
So
the
implication
is
that
this
is
and
I
mean
I
think
that
the
land
developers
they
have
long-term
time
Horizons.
So
the
idea
is
I
believe
that
this
land
is
now
getting
cleaned
up
so
to
speak,
and
then
maybe
in
10
years
the
urban
boundary
will
move
again.
So
I
don't
think
that
there's
so
much
of
a
gold
belt,
but
as
councilor
DeRose
has
described
it.
This
is
an
intermediate
stage
for
this
land.
K
I'll
make
sort
of
three
points
today:
I'll
talk
to
the
wording
and
intent
of
the
exemption,
we'll
talk
again
about
the
policy,
the
natural
heritage
system
policy
that
Angela
has
just
spoken
about
and
I'd
like
to
talk
about
tree
protection
in
the
Perry
urban
area.
So
those
three
points
I'll
cover
in
my
comments.
K
First,
the
wording
and
intent
of
the
exemption
under
the
tree
protection
bylaw.
We
we
know
that
it
applies
to
this
piece
of
land
and
we
know
that
there's
certain
agricultural
exemption,
but
if
we
look
at
the
wording
carefully
it
it's
an
exemption
if
the
destruction
is
carried
out
as
a
normal
Farm
practice
as
part
of
a
agricultural
operation
carried
out
by
a
farm
business.
K
Those
words
are
explicit
in
the
bylaw
carried
out
by
a
farm
business.
So
there's
there's
something
about
a
sort
of
a
class
of
applicant
here
that
is
mentioned
in
the
bylaw
in
the
sad
alteration
by
law.
We
talked
less
about
it,
but
it's
also
applicable
in
this
case,
in
particular
the
protection
of
natural
environment,
section
section
11
of
the
bylaw,
because
this
land
is
covered
by
the
natural
heritage
feature
overlay,
so
in
schedule
B
of
the
bylaw.
The
map
will
show
that
this
is
covering
this
particular
land.
K
Now
both
these
bylaws
have
this
exemption
because
of
provincial
legislation,
so
the
Ontario,
Farm
and
Food
production
protection
act
makes
this
exemption
available,
but
that
act
also
defines
agricultural
operation
and
it
defines
a
farmer.
It
says
a
farmer
is
an
owner
or
operator
of
an
agricultural
operation.
K
So
the
question
is:
what
is
the
intent
here
of
the
bylaw
of
these
two
bylaws
and
what
is
the
intent
of
this
legislation?
Is
this
exemption
really
intended
for
Farmers
agricultural
operators
so
as
to
not
restrict
their
agricultural
work?
Their
agricultural
operation,
director
and
opportunities
on
their
land
is
is
this?
Is
that
the
intent?
K
What
about
non-farm
businesses,
for
example,
a
land
developer,
who
carries
out
this
destruction
in
the
expectation
of
earning
leasing
revenues?
Is
that
covered
by
the
bylaw?
Is
that
covered?
Is
that
consistent
with
the
legislation?
I
think
this
is
an
open
question.
I
think,
and
you
know
we.
We
certainly
can't
answer
that
I
mean
the
the
ownership
of
this
situation
is
very,
very
complicated.
K
So
two
other
points,
the
policy
that
Angela
referred
to
4.8.1
policy,
five.
So
shallow
approach,
rural
Forest
cover
loss
on
a
no
net
loss
basis.
How
will
the
city
implement
this
policy?
It's
an
official
plan
policy.
Now,
in
the
context
of
this
particular
instance,
we've
lost
25
000
trees.
How
do
we
achieve
the
balance?
The
no
neck
loss
balance?
Where
do
we
get
25
000
new
trees
to
balance
it
out
in
accordance
with
this
official
plan
policy?
K
And
finally,
the
tree
protection
in
the
Perry
urban
area?
The
Perry
urban
area
is
that
ring
around
the
entire
Urban
boundary,
extending
two
kilometers
out,
which
is
always
at
high
risk
for
preemptive
deforestation.
The
city's
known
this
the
city
wanted
to
address
it
in
the
site
in
the
significant
Woodland
policy
work,
it
wasn't
done.
Eventually
it
was
supposed
to
get
into
the
to
the
true
protection
bylaw.
It
wasn't
it's
in
the
program
of
work
for
the
site.
Alteration
bylaw
I
mean
for
the
tree
protection
bylaw.
K
L
L
It's
I
also
learned
from
one
of
these
delegates
that
that
today
is
it's.
No,
no
irony
that
no
small
amount
of
irony
that
today's
the
UN
has
declared
today
being
an
international
Forest
day.
I
think
it's
great
that
we're
having
this
conversation
on
International
Forest
day
from
what
I
understand.
The
theme
of
this
year's
un
celebration
aims
to
highlight
how
forests
sustain
health
and
I
think
it
sounds
like
our
goal
here
today
is
to
talk
about
how
we
can
work
to
better
support
and
sustain
the
forests
that
sustain
us.
L
I
do
have
just
a
couple.
Questions
I've
been
noting
down
questions
from
some
of
the
delegates
already
which
I'll
get
to
when
we
get
to
staff,
but
just
a
few
questions
for
for
Mr
Johannes
here,
based
on
what
I
heard
so
Mr
Johannes
I
heard
you
mentioned
with
regards
to
the
the
the
tree
protection
bylaw
that
I
think
I
heard
you
say
that
it's
overdue
for
review
as
I
understand
it.
I,
don't
believe
it's
overdue
for
review.
L
I
think
it's
scheduled
for
the
final
bylaw
review
in
this
term
of
counsel
I'm
going
to
be
talking
to
that
later
about
the
timeline
for
that
bylaw
review
and
the
criteria
for
it,
but
Mr
Johannes
are
you?
Are
you
kind
of
advocating
or
suggesting
that
it's
your
belief
that
the
tree
review
bylaw
process
should
perhaps
be
expedited.
K
Certainly,
with
respect
to
the
issue
of
the
Perry
urban
area,
depending
on
like
really
right
now,
based
on
this
precedent,
there's
a
very
large
area.
Forested
area
treat
areas
outside
the
newly
expanded
Urban
boundary
in
North
Canada
in
Statesville,
IN,
Bar
Haven
in
Riverside
South
in
Leitrim,
in
this
Tailwind
land
area,
in
in
even
in
the
Orleans
area
that
are
at
risk
of
being
cleared
using
exactly
the
same
arguments
and
the
same
and
the
same
interpretation
of
the
bylaw.
K
So
I
would
think
that
the
site,
the
the
the
the
tree
protection
in
the
Perry
urban
area
has
now
taken
on
extremely
urgent
character.
It
needs
to
be
addressed
ahead
of
it
doesn't
have
to
be
done
as
part
of
the
overall
review
of
the
tree
protection
by
law,
but
simply
completing
the
work
that
was
supposed
to
have
been
done
in
the
work
program
when
the
bylaw
was
implemented
in
January
2021.
L
Yeah,
thank
you
yeah
as
I
understand
it.
The
the
framework
for
how
and
when
bylaw
reviews
take
place
is
is
based
on
a
number
of
factors,
including
how
old
the
bylaw
is.
I
think
the
reason
that
this
bylaw
is
as
late
in
the
term
as
it
currently
is
is
because
the
bylaw
is
relatively
new,
but
among
the
various
criteria,
for
this
determining
when
a
bylaw
should
be
reviewed
include
matters
of
whether
it's
a
matter
of
urgency
or
whether
there
are
sufficient
Community
interest
in
the
review.
K
The
thank
you
for
that.
The
the
policy
itself
lists
means
by
which
this
could
be
achieved.
This
is
through
land
use
through
stewardship
agreements
through
land
acquisition,
so
there's
ways
that
are
listed
in
the
policies,
but
that
you
know-
and
there
could
be
others
there
could
be.
You
know
voluntary
restitution
and
any
number
of
of
other
means
that
could
be
used
to
implement
the
policy.
K
L
Thank
you,
and-
and
finally
I
did
hear
you
mentioned
in
your
remarks-
your
interpretation
of
some
of
the
exemption
Clauses,
whereby
you
know
such
exemptions
are
permitted
when,
in
the
case
of
an
agricultural
operation
and
a
farming
business
I,
do
appreciate
what
you
were
raising
about
the
intent
or
the
the
likely
intent
behind
that
exemption
and
what
might
Define
a
farmer
or
a
farming
business
I'll
likely
get
to
that
when
it's
time
for
us
to
direct
questions
to
staff.
But
thank
you
for
raising
it
yourself.
A
M
Thanks
so
much
through
you
chair,
so
this
tree
protection
bylaw
came
into
effect
just
two
years
ago,
so
we're
sort
of
still
considering
it
quite
new
in
terms
of
what
we
have
on
Deck.
We
had
a
motion
from
the
last
term
of
council
to
reduce
the
diameter
that
the
diameter
of
tree
that
the
bylaw
covers
in
the
Suburban
area,
from
50
to
30
centimeters
to
be
consistent
with
the
urban
area,
and
we
will
be
coming
back
to
this
Committee
in
council
with
that.
M
Well,
we
have
to
do
some
consultation
and
then,
with
that
amendment
in
Q2,
and
so
that's
what's
immediately
on
deck.
For
us,
there
are,
as
Paul
mentioned,
the
Perry
Urban,
Woodland
protection
was
or
sorry
Perry
Urban
protection
of
the
bylaw
was
on
the
work
plan
for
the
original
tree
protection
bylaw.
M
A
N
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today.
I
have
to
say,
I
come
from
a
peri-urban
area,
so
I
have
a
personal
interest
as
well
as
a
professional
interest
in
in
my
comments,
I'm
going
to
really
concentrate
on
terms
of
the
biodiversity
loss,
our
at
the
wildlife
center.
That
is
certainly
our
primary
concern.
N
I
I
think
I
would
like
to
sort
of
process
at
that
by
saying
that,
we
can't
pretend
to
really
be
serious
about
climate
change
if
we're
only
left,
as
we
are
sitting
here
today,
to
meekly
respond
to
to
the
fact
that
there
isn't
any
protection
or
any
lack
of
policy
to
protect
these
areas.
Even
if
the
developers
stated
intention
is
to
is
to
to
use
these
lands
for
agriculture
purposes,
and
if,
in
fact,
that
is
what
turns
out
to
happen
and
I
think
those
are
two
very
big
ifs.
N
The
bottom
line
is:
is
it's
much
more
likely
to
be
used
for
cash
crops
and
does
Ottawa
really
need
another
hay
or
cornfield,
particularly
when
you're
considering
what's
at
risk
here
is
the
loss
of
a
forest.
The
the
Taiwan
development
is
a
partnership
between
the
Algonquin
of
Ontario
and
Taggart
to
the
Taggart
group,
and
it
really
promoted
this
project
as
something
that
was
going
to
be
based
on
sustainable
sustainability
and
environmentally
sensitive
planning.
N
It's
very
hard
to
reconcile
this
promise
with
one
where
Town's
first
action
is
to
level
a
forest,
particularly
in
Winter.
That's
what
I
really
want
to
sort
of
stress
today.
You
can't
clear,
cut
70,
Acres
of
of
land
and
up
to
25
or
more
treats
thousand
trees,
that
is
home
to
hundreds
of
different
species
of
animals
and
birds
in
the
middle
of
winter,
and
that's
particularly
such
a
bad
time
to
be
doing
this
kind
of
work.
N
It
has
a
very
deadly
impact
on
Wildlife,
clear
cutting
requires
heavy
equipment
that
crushes
hibernating
animals
that
are
underground
and
then
and
burls.
It
really
essentially
some
species
that
are
not
very
active
during
the
colder
months,
such
as
flying
squirrels
fats,
a
number
of
species
that
might
be
in
tree
cavities
are
killed
when
the
trees
are
fell.
In
addition
to
that,
the
real
mortality
comes
when
animals
are
displaced
during
winter,
losing
their
Denning
sites
and
their
food
sashes
and
without
trees
without
any
leaves
on
the
trees.
There
is
going
to
be
newborns.
N
But
tawan
is
a
shocking
example
that
without
some
forward-looking
policies
and
protections
really
were
very
much
putting
these
resources
at
risk.
We
urge
the
city
of
Ottawa
to
join
those
regions
across
Canada,
and
we've
talked
with
a
number
of
them
that
have
adopted
a
municipal
natural
asset
strategy
compared
to
the
high
cost
of
services
that
rely
on
engineering
and
infrastructure.
In
addition
to
protecting
biodiversity,
assigning
a
dollar
value
to
these
natural
assets
in
our
remaining
forest
and
in
our
Wetlands
will
ensure
that
we
better
appreciate
and
protect
them
in
the
future.
L
Thank
you
very
much
for
bringing
that
to
my
attention.
The
the
nature
of
the
impact
that
this
tree
cutting
operation
had
on
biodiversity.
I
had
already
had
my
uneducated
Assumption
of
what
the
impact
was,
but
to
hear
you
describe
it
so
clearly
paints
a
vivid
picture.
You
use
the
word
thoughtless
cruelty.
The
word
spotless
cruelty,
I
myself
have
been
accused
of
being
thoughtless
by
the
woman
that
gave
me
this
ring
sometimes,
and
my
defense
to
that
is.
L
But
you
know,
but
honey
I
had
no
intentions
and
she
said
exactly
you
had
no
intention.
You
didn't
put
thought
into
it.
So
when
you
Levy
a
charge
of
thoughtless
cruelty
against
the
instigators
of
this
action,
you
might
not
be
stating
that
you
believe
that
there
was
intention
to
Levy
this
kind
of
damage
on
species,
but
perhaps
that
the
thought
wasn't
there,
but
there
was
no
thought
given
to
the
impact
on
species.
N
Personally,
I,
don't
think
there
has
been
any
really
thought
to
it.
I
think
again,
well,
back
a
number
of
years
ago,
developed
with
organizations
like
ourselves
having
a
fair
amount
of
input
into
a
wildlife
protection
during
construction,
it
was
called
a
protocol
and
sadly,
unfortunately,
although
there
was
really
good
intent
on
the
part
of
the
staff
who
helped
develop
it
and
the
community
that
had
input,
that
strategy
was
really
gutted.
It
was
what
was
supposed
to
be.
N
A
protocol
became
simply
a
guideline,
though
I,
don't
think
really
collectively,
as
a
society,
we
have
put
much
concern
or
or
yeah
concern
into
the
fact
that
there
are
other
species
besides
ourselves
that
occupy
these
lands
and
I.
Think
that
is
the
nature
of
the
problem,
hopefully
going
forward.
I
think
with
a
more
Progressive
approach.
Certainly
I
think
the
understanding
that
biodiversity
is
very
much
at
risk
and
that
we
all
have
a
responsibility
to
consider
it
in
terms
of
construction
and
and
living
with
it
I
think,
hopefully,
we'll
see
some
changes
in
the
future.
Thank.
L
You
and
I
hadn't
considered
the
impact
that
this
action
taking
place
in
Winter
would
have
had
if
this
action
had
taken
place
during
another
time
and
often
when
I
hear
about
the
impact
on
biodiversity
I'm.
Just
thinking
of
the
word
biodiversity
as
a
lovely
word,
but
what
you're
saying
is
that
biodiversity
means
living
breathing
creatures
that
are
vital
to
our
infrastructure
and
and
that
have
lives
as
well
and
many
of
which
you
say
many
of
those
lives
of
animals.
May
no
longer
be.
L
With
that
in
mind,
would
you
therefore
be
advocating
that
the
city
should
be
taking
these
kinds
of
environmental
impacts
into
consideration?
If
and
when
exemptions
for
tree
cutting
operations
of
this
massive
70
hectare
scale
that
the
city
should
we
have
to
be
taking
a
leadership
role
in
protecting
that
kind
of
biodiversity
in
this
in
the
kitchen,
in
the
situations
where
applicants
might
not
have
put
thought
into
it
themselves,
absolutely.
D
D
D
I
was
surprised
to
learn
from
you
about
timing
and
that
and
not
that
I'm
advocating
for
clear
cutting
for
sure,
but
it's
unusual
to
do
it
in
the
dead
of
winter
in
in
well
the
in
terms
of
the
biodiversity
and
the
effect
on
Wildlife
I
I.
Wasn't
aware
of
that.
Could
you
give
me
more
information
on
that.
N
Yes,
I
think
I
know
the
the
wildlife
protection
during
construction
protocol,
as
I
said,
which
unfortunately
just
ended
up
being
a
guideline
really
did
talk
about
the
stresses
on
Wildlife
during
winter
and
I.
Think,
there's
so
often
a
rush
to
get
some
trees
felled
and
some
construction
started
in
Winter
simply
to
avoid
the
migratory
bird
season
because
then
they're,
restricted,
I
think
tree
cutting
can't
happen
after
a
certain
time
frame.
N
I
think
it's
April
sometime,
so
it
does
mean,
obviously
that
often
winter
is
a
season
where
construction
happens
and,
as
I
said,
I
think
we
need
to
be
re
thinking
about
that,
a
little
bit
and
greater
detail
as
to
how
we
can
mitigate
some
of
the
negative
impacts.
Sometimes
it
has
to
happen,
but
there
are
definitely
ways
to
mitigate
some
of
those
impacts.
D
Okay,
since
they're
just
guidelines,
as
you
were
saying,
wouldn't
if
somebody
was
very
concerned
about
Wildlife,
would
they
not
consult
with
someone
to
an
organization
or
the
city
to
make
sure
that
Wildlife
are
protected
when
something
like
this
happens
again
not
advocating
for
it
with
what's
what
has
gone
on?
But
what
would
be
a
proper
protocol.
N
I
think
you
know
it's
really
interesting
because,
ultimately,
when
the
wildlife
protection
during
a
while
protocol
for
protection
for
wildlife
during
construction
was
to
go
forward,
we
found
out
through
access
to
information,
but
it
was
the
head
of
the
greater
Ottawa.
Homebuilders
Association
had
had
really
certainly
spoken
against
it,
and
the
protocol
became
not
just
a
protocol.
N
It
became
just
simply
a
guideline
with
no
requirement,
but
there
are
definitely
smaller
developers
that
our
Center
has
worked
with
that
are
prepared
to
take
some
minimal
actions
to
to
to
to
to
avoid
some
of
the
problems
during
construction,
and
so
but
I.
Don't
think
you
can
assume
that
larger
construction
companies,
larger
contractors,
larger
developers
they
do
not
want
to
see
any
impediment
and-
and
so
therefore,
I
think
that
it's
really
going
to
be
up
to
the
city
to
establish
some
a
protocol
that
has
got
some
teeth
to
it.
D
N
Well
interesting,
councilor,
Kavanaugh
that
you
should
mention
that,
because
our
Center
and
we
as
individuals
worked
very
hard
with
the
Algonquins
during
the
development
or
the
proposed
development
for
the
South
March
Highlands,
and
they
stood
very
strongly
behind
obviously
trying
to
prevent
that
development
and
and
so
to
me
it
really
is
kind
of
the
flip
side
of
that
coin.
To
sort
of
see,
daggart
really
involved
in
this
occasion
in
terms
of
not
taking
that
kind
of
approach,
not
taking
a
more
a
more
concerned
approach
to
protecting
biodiversity.
N
A
O
We
could
bring
that
up
we'll
get
that
right
out.
I
I
have
a
I'm
old
Hendrickson
with
Sierra
Club
Canada
Foundation
I
have
a
PhD
in
ecology
and
I
worked
for
28
years
as
a
federal
Forest
research
scientist
and
a
biodiversity
science
advisor
and
I
chair,
the
Sierra
clubs,
National
Conservation
committee
and
I
also
published
an
online
article
yesterday
in
rebel.ca,
with
the
same
title
as
my
presentation
next
slide.
Please.
O
Next
slide:
thanks,
here's
a
view
of
the
you
know,
backup
one
I
just
want
to
show
that
they
went
clear-cut,
looking
north
towards
the
Gatineau
Hills
in
the
distance
and
then
here
on
this
slide,
we
can
see
from
Geo
Ottawa
that
a
significant,
a
significant
part
of
this
day
when
land
is
flood
plain
that
smaller
rectangle
is
the
Tiger
Property
and
it's
surrounded
by
Algonquins
of
Ontario
Realty,
Corporation
property.
Next.
O
And
the
Google
map
of
that
block
shows
that
the
area
was
very
heavily
wooded
before
defar
station
Carter
Park
from
that
little
rectangle
of
Taggart
property.
Next
slide,
please,
the
Ontario
agricultural
Atlas
shows
the
Smith
Gooding
Municipal
drain.
Now
north
of
the
drain
is
in
the
urban
boundary
and
but
cutting
occurred
south
of
the
drain,
the
the
city
is
responsible
for
maintaining
the
drain.
O
Now
the
city
does
not
require
a
permit
for
tree
cutting
in
the
rural
area.
I
recommend
that
the
bylaw
be
amended
to
require
a
permit
for
cutting
an
area
greater
than
one
hectare
anywhere
in
the
city.
Next
slide,
however,
the
Tailwind
lands
are
included
in
schedule,
M
of
the
tree
protection
bylaw
and
the
bylaw
prohibits
injury
or
destruction
of
any
tree
with
a
diameter
at
breast
height
of
10,
centimeters
or
greater
and
I
think,
as
others
have
said,
that
probably
at
least
25
000
trees
of
that
size
were
destroyed.
O
O
So
the
mayor's
office
says
that
destruction
of
trees
was
required
for
farming
practices,
but
it
left
out
it's
part
of
subsection
82-7
of
the
protection
bylaw.
So
questions
was
destruction
of
trees
done
by
a
farming
business,
or
was
it
done
by
a
real
estate
business?
Did
the
city
staff
investigate
this?
Is
there
a
report
from
their
investigation?
O
Does
the
committee
have
a
copy?
Can
I
get
a
copy?
What
city
officials
were
involved
in
the
investigation?
Was
there
anyone
from
the
forest
management
branch
next
slide,
so
CBC
Drone
footage
in
the
next
slide?
Please
it
shows
a
really
a
major
Timber
Harvest
operation
carried
out
in
winter
when
the
ground
was
frozen,
so
they
could
get
the
equipment
in
there.
They
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
do
this
in
the
summer.
It
would
have
been
too
wet,
so
this
isn't
normal
Farm
practice.
This
is
a
Timber
harvest.
O
The
deforested
area
likely
now
exceeds
100
hectares,
not
just
70.
and,
as
others
have
noted,
deforestation
contributes
to
climate
change
and
the
extinction
crisis.
Taiwan
means
home
in
the
Algonquin
language.
This
area
was
home
to
Cedars,
Tamaracks,
poplars,
frogs,
moose,
Eagles
and
many
many
other
species.
O
Now
the
developers
say
they
will
install
tile
drains,
but
the
agricultural
Atlas
shows
class
5
soils
that
are
not
suitable
for
field
crops.
It's
far
more
likely.
This
area
will
simply
lie
idle,
its
Wildlife
value
destroyed
with
little
or
no
value
for
food
or
Timber
Productions.
So
if
the
ownership
group
cannot
just
demonstrate
this
is
a
farming,
business
I
would
recommend
that
a
fine
be
imposed
and
the
area
be
reforested.
A
P
Can
you
hear
me
now?
Okay,
good
good
morning,
counselors
at
the
environment
and
climate
change
committee
and
City
staff
I'm
very,
very
grateful
for
the
opportunity
to
address
you
today.
My
name
is
Monica
Brewer,
my
family
and
I
have
been
residents
of
Piper
Hill
Road
in
Carlsbad
Springs
for
over
50
years.
I
come
here
as
a
resident.
P
I
am
here
to
speak
about
the
timeline
of
events.
As
we
residents
of
the
area
experienced,
everybody
else
has
talked
about
in
more
detail
and
and
with
much
more
expertise
about
other
things.
But
I
can
tell
you
what
we
as
residents
experience
at
the
time
in
mid-February
of
this
year,
a
Carlsbad
Springs
Community
engagement,
Facebook
site
of
which
I'm
one
of
the
admins.
P
We
have
over
400
members
and
the
members
started
to
report
all
sorts
of
distress,
noise
in
the
middle
of
the
night,
smell
of
the
trees,
huge
trucks
coming
and
going
with
huge
trunk
full
of
trunks
of
trees
and
and,
of
course,
everybody's
already,
a
bit
nervous
about
this
development
and
how
it's
going
to
impact
our
roads
and
our
our
our
whole
system,
because
we're
on
trickle
water
system,
we
don't
have
sewage,
and
anyway,
everybody
has
different
ideas.
What
it's
going
to
do
to
us.
P
So
when
we
see
these
trucks
we
get
nervous-
and
this
is
really
important-
then
we
got
aerial
photos
which
were
demonstrated.
We
were
horrified,
everybody
is
writing
and
saying.
What's
going
on?
What's
going
on,
so
we
approached
our
counselor.
The
ruse
is
a
new
counselor
to
us,
because
we
were
we,
we
changed
and
also
he
approached
the
Taggart
Corporation
and
Michelle
Tucker
and
very
quickly.
P
The
council
was
kind
and
and
reported
back
to
us
and
and
what
we
got
was
was
was
that
they
were
doing
just
slight
cleanup
of
the
direct
show
that
there
was.
It
was
mainly
bushes.
It
was
a
public
safety
hazard
that
they
had
to
go
in
there
and
clean
up
and
that
they
were
also
doing
some
testing
sites,
which
we
now
have
all
over
this
area,
because
there's
a
lot
of
testing
done
for
us.
This
was
hard
to
see.
P
So
the
safety
issue
to
me
is
hard
to
see
the
explanation
about
farming
came
later
and
for
us
I,
don't
understand
the
farming,
because
only
450
acres
are
going
to
be
developed,
as
still
when
the
other
Thousand
Acres
there's
tons
and
tons
of
Farmland
right
now,
it's
it's
Crash
crops,
but
why
is
it
that
they
have
to
destroy
the
forest
to
do
farming
when
they
own
thousands
of
Acres
of
farm
already?
So
this?
This
is
a
little
bit
strange.
We're
also
really
concerned
about
the
water,
because
there
this
these
are
wetlands
there.
P
P
So,
basically
we're
left
sort
of
wondering.
Why
is
it
that
all
of
this
has
has
happened?
We
don't
really
have
answers
and-
and
it
doesn't
help
the
trust
with
the
developers.
It
doesn't
help
the
trust
with
the
city
and-
and
these
are
personal
experiences
that
I
think
are
important
because
we
are
residents
and
we're
citizens
of
your
city,
and
this
is
a
huge
ask
to
change
from
or
rural
to
Urban
and
not
just
Urban
but
a
city.
So
therefore,
it
would
be
nice
to
be
treated
with
more
respect
and
more
information.
Q
Hi,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation.
It's
great
to
hear
from
a
local
resident
about
the
impact
of
the
community.
I
just
have
a
question:
I'm
not
super
familiar
exactly
with
the
area,
so
you
spoke
about
how
those
a
lot
of
areas
that
are
already
being
within
the
taywin
lands
lands
that
are
not
being
developed
that
are
currently
being
used
for
agriculture.
I
wondered
if
you
could
speak
a
little
bit
about
they're
already
being
used
for
farming.
Q
If
you
could
detail
a
little
bit
about
your
understanding
of
what
those
existing
lands,
what
what
is
being
farmed
on
those
lands?
I'm
just
really
interested
just
because
I
know
in
the
area
that
we're
The
Cutting
was
done.
There
was
no
site
servicing,
there's
no
water
servicing,
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
the
agricultural
activities
in
the
other
areas.
So.
P
Right
in
front
of
my
house,
and
in
behind
my
house,
you'll
see
huge
fields
and
for
the
last
50
years
in
the
80s
it
was
some
sod
and
then
it
changed
to
corn
fields
and
soybeans
and
every
year
there's
huge
combines
that
go
and
collect
this.
So
these
areas
are
part
of
Tailwind
lands
because
I'm
in
the
center
of
Taiwan.
P
But
then,
if
you
just
have
to
drive
down
the
road-
and
you
see
areas
that
are
outside
of
the
city
boundary
that
are
also
farmlands,
a
lot
of
trees
have
already
been
cut
by
these
operations.
The
land
is
cleared.
So
if
there
is
a
need
to
farm,
especially
for
crash
crop,
they
they
can
Farm
in
these
in
these
areas,
there's
no
need
to
go
into
the
tree
area
that
land
now
with
the
trees
in
there
I
I
believe,
is
acidic.
It
needs
to
be
amended.
P
L
Hello
Monica,
thank
you
for
being
here,
I
hadn't
planned
to
ask
questions,
but
you
just
you.
You
shed
a
little
bit
more
information
on
the
timeline
from
what
the
community
heard
and
experienced.
You
mentioned
that
at
some
point.
So
obviously
your
community
was
aware
of
what
was
going
on
well
before
I
was
early
February,
yes
early
February.
Now
the
first
that
I
heard
that
the
city
was
made
aware
of
of
this
work
was
February
17th.
L
P
E
P
The
same
the
same
story
from
both
both
sides,
the
farming
issue-
was
either
not
mentioned
or
said
as
an
aside
as
we're
there
and
we're
cleaning.
We
might
do
some
farming,
but
it
wasn't
the
we're
Farmers.
Everybody
should
know
we're
farming
and
we're
clear
cutting
and
it's
within
our
rights
and
I'm,
so
sorry
about
the
trees,
but
we
need
this
land
to
farm
and
we
have
we
have
permits
from
the
city.
Everybody
knows
this:
it.
L
P
And
the
other
part
was
that
they
were
going
to
do
some
testing
and
the
testing
would
be
on
the
neighboring
site,
which
is
part
of
this,
of
the
city
boundary
not
on,
so
it
doesn't
make
sense
that
they
would
have
gone
into
the
into
the
forest.
My
other
concern
is
the
trees
are
not
hurting.
Anybody
like
they're
the
trees
that
fall
down
on
a
forest
are
not
toxic.
We
do
not
need
to
go
in
there
and
clean
up.
That's.
L
L
L
P
So
so
we
spoke
to
to
through
the
website.
The
media
also
got
involved
and
I
was
interviewed
by
CBC
by
Kate
Porter
and
at
around
the
same
time,
which
was
the
17th
was
when
the
city
finally
got
back
to
us
and
said
you
know,
and-
and
this
was
you
know
a
few
days
after
the
aerial
photos,
because
initially
all
we
had
was
smells
and
sounds
and
people
being
upset,
but
we
didn't
know
what
was
going
on
it
wasn't
until
we
saw
the
aerial
photos.
P
That
was
the
only
way,
but
the
fact
that
the
city
had
to
be
informed
by
residents
through
aerial
photos
done
by
residents.
It's
it's
a
little
Troublesome,
because
it
wasn't
just
10
trees
or
thousands
of
trees.
So
I
think
this
doesn't
work.
If
that's,
if
that's
the
way
that
the
city
protects
our
our
forests,
that
we
all
have
to
be
on
on
Facebook
and
have
little
drones
running
around
telling
you
which
trees
are
being
cut
like
this,
this
there's
got
to
be
a
better
way.
There's
got
to
be
permits.
P
A
G
R
R
Thank
you
very
much
so
I'm
here
today
to
speak
about
the
impact
of
clear-cutting
on
the
Carlsbad
Springs
Community,
because
I
too
live
there
and
I
want
to
focus
on
what
comes
next.
But
in
order
to
get
there,
we
want
I
think
you
need
to
really
consider
how
we
got
here
and
how
it
has
not
inspired
trust
up
to
this
point
so
land
planners
that
the
city
evaluated
options
and
did
not
recommend
this
area
for
development.
But
city
council
approved
it
anyway.
R
It
was
recommended
that
various
studies
on
financial
environmental
implications
be
done
with
a
return
to
Council
in
2026,
but
that
was
voted
down
in
the
area
was
included
in
the
expanded
Urban
boundary.
Thank
you,
councilor
Menard,
for
your
efforts
to
ensure
the
studies
got
done
and
then
Taggart
pitched
a
sustainable
community,
and
then
they
started
by
clear-cutting
at
night.
Just
next
to
the
urban
boundary
they
tried
to
avoid
detection
and
then,
when
they
were
caught,
they
explained
they
were
clearing
up
from
the
direct
show,
then
that
it
was
for
Public
Safety.
R
The
bylaw
shall
not
apply
to
restrict
a
normal
Farm
practice
carried
on
as
part
of
an
agricultural
operation,
and
it
defines
agricultural
operation
as
an
operation
that
is
carried
on
in
the
expectation
of
gain
or
reward,
and
the
reason
I
emphasize
is
carried
on,
it
doesn't
say,
will
be
carried
on
nor
was
carry
on
in
the
past.
It
is
in
present
tense.
It
refers
to
existing
agricultural
operations,
and
so
I
would
argue
that
the
exemption
does
not
apply.
R
That
was
not
the
intent
has
already
been
mentioned,
but
the
process
followed
for
Taiwan
and
now
the
clear
cutting
with
its
lack
of
consultation
and
transparency
undermines
the
the
Integrity
of
our
democratic
system
and
the
trust
that
citizens
feel
that
decisions
are
being
made.
Based
on
evidence
and
I'm.
Going
to
ask
you
a
question
if
I
decide,
I
want
to
be
a
farmer
and
I
plan
to
clear
my
six
acres
of
land
in
the
same
area
could
I
just
do
it
without
any
City
approvals
without
any
environmental
impact
assessment?
R
And
if
the
answer
is
yes,
there's
a
problem
with
the
legislation
and
if
the
answer
is
no,
then
AO
and
Taggart
should
be
treated
the
same.
So
I
strongly
recommend
this
committee
look
into
improving
the
legislation
to
avoid
further
clear
cutting
which
undermines
our
climate
change
goals
and
I
just
want
to
say
a
few
words
about
the
area
itself.
R
So
the
land
around
Carlsbad
Springs
is
full
of
wetlands
and
lead
a
clay
with
a
high
water
table
and
tremendous
biodiversity.
As
people
have
mentioned,
city
council
approved
445
hectares
of
the
original
1400
Acres
proposed
for
Taiwan.
That
means
there
is
a
significant
amount
of
land
owned
by
aoo
and
tiger
that
falls
just
outside
of
the
new
Urban
boundary
and
what
happens
to
that
land
is
of
a
big
concern
to
me.
R
If
new
positive
incentives
were
created,
there
is
much
land
in
this
area
that
could
be
reforested,
helping
the
city
to
meet
its
tree
planting
goals,
and
if
you
allow
this
one
parcel
of
land
to
be
clear-cut
without
any
eia
and
no
permit,
then
there
is
nothing
to
stop
hundreds
of
hectares
in
the
surrounding
areas
from
being
cleared
in
a
similar
fashion,
using
agriculture
as
an
excuse
to
clear
the
land.
There
is
a
planned
eia
for
the
proposed
Taiwan
area
within
the
new
Urban
boundary.
R
However,
what
we're
witnessing
is
significant
land
use
change
just
outside
that
boundary
without
an
eia,
and
these
changes
in
the
surrounding
areas
prior
to
doing
that,
Taiwan
eia
are
going
to
actually
impact
the
outcome
of
that
eia.
You
destroy
everything
around
it.
There's
going
to
be
a
different
result
when
you
do
it
so
citizens
do
not
expect
that
there's
no
development,
but
we
do
expect
decisions
to
be
evidence-based,
and
that
means
full
consideration
of
environmental
implications.
R
So
I'm
making
a
few
requests
to
the
committee
prevent
any
further
land
changes
in
the
2N
and
surrounding
area
until
the
full
eia
is
completed,
and
this
should
be
completed
before
any
change
in
land
use
can
start,
including
the
area
around
the
urban
boundary.
Please
reconsider
the
exemption
change
tree
protection
legislation.
A
lot
of
people
have
talked
about
it,
but
we
need
to
remove
those
loopholes,
so
this
can't
happen
and
that
there's
no
doubt
about
its
applicability
in
the
future.
R
In
particular,
there
should
be
an
application
for
an
exemption
made
before
any
trees
can
be
cut,
and
we
need
to
specify
that
it
refers
to
an
existing
agricultural
operation.
If
that's
in
doubt-
and
please
require
Taggart
to
plant
an
equivalent
number
of
trees
to
replace
those
lost
and
create
incentives
for
landowners
to
protect
and
plant
trees
to
help
a
city
meet
their
climate
change
goals.
R
S
I
do
share
and
I
had
asked
questions
of
Staff
early
on
when
this
came
out
about
the
the
time
of
day
that
the
work
was
taking
place,
as
you
mentioned
overnight,
and
the
the
response
I
got
back
did
seem
to
be
a
reasonable
and
rational
answer.
But
I
just
and
I
do
have
more
questions
for
staff
later
on.
Once
delegations
are
wrapped
up,
but
I
just
wanted
to
know
from
you
or
your
perspective
being
a
resident
nearby.
R
P
The
majority
of
the
work
prior
to
the
stop
order
was
reported
by
the
locals
and
and
US
gonna
driving
around
trying
to
figure
out
what's
going
on
was
mostly
in
the
evening
and
and
very
night
hours
like
into
two
and
so
o'clock.
In
the
morning,
people
were
texting
and
putting
things
on
Facebook
at
that
time.
P
Now,
of
course,
they're
doing
it
during
the
day
you
can
just
go.
There
see
these
huge
machines,
they
grab
the
bottom
of
the
tree,
they
cut
it
in
five
seconds.
You
get
a
tree
that
has
been
there
for
17
years
gone.
It's
it's
incredible
to
to
see
this,
and
you
can
now
see
it
from
the
road
because
they're
no
longer
all
that
careful
about
keeping
that
border
of
trees
all
the
way
around,
so
you
can
actually
go
and
observe
the
the
whatever
Massacre
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
of
the
trees.
So
so.
P
I
think
so
now
it's
it's
reported
by
me
and
a
few
other
people
that
are
in
the
area,
and
you
know
we're
very
much
more
aware
of
it.
I
mean
initially
when
we
started
we,
you
know
it's
just
conversations
between
people
and
especially
the
night
work
was
what
was
upsetting
people,
because
that's
when
we
would
never
have
this
amount
of
noise.
P
A
T
R
C
V
W
W
Also
a
wealth
of
academic
literature
and
I
also
sent
a
few
academic
articles
and
research
papers
that
prove
that
Wetlands
present
increased
challenges
for
farming,
particularly
when
they
are
drained
and
converted
to
agricultural
land,
which
is
what
tag
art
plans
on
doing.
Wetlands
have
unique
soil
types
and
nutrient
cycles
that
can
be
difficult
to
replicate
or
manage
effectively
in
agriculture,
which
results
in
the
land
not
even
being
used.
W
Most,
it
just
ends
up
being
empty
and
Wetland
drainage
can
cause
soil
subsidence,
leading
to
increased
flooding
and
erosion
over
time,
and
all
of
this
is
without
taking
into
account
the
adverse
effects
that
farming
has
on
the
environment,
including
the
loss
of
biodiversity
through
Forest
fragmentation
and
habitat
destruction
and
poor
farming
practices
that
lead
to
that
result
in
soil
erosion
and
degradation.
But
this
is
this
is
all
stuff
that
we
all
or
should
all
know
already,
which
makes
me
all
the
more
frustrated
when
I
read
City
memos.
W
That
give
me
the
impression
the
committee
is
just
going
to
dismiss
the
situation
and
simply
take
tag.
Arts
word
at
face
value,
despite
Haggart.
Never
having
been
involved
in
agriculture
before
it's,
in
my
opinion
that
the
developers
should,
at
the
very
least,
publicize
its
plans
for
the
land
and
prove
that
it
will
actually
be
used
for
Farmland
I.
Ask
that
the
committee
also
stay
on
top
of
the
situation
and
ensure
the
land
is
actually
used
and
not
left
empty.
W
I
think
it's
important
to
acknowledge
this
project
is
not
the
only
one
of
its
kind
in
Ottawa
and
there
is
a
potential
for
future
projects
to
post
similar
threats
to
our
natural
spaces.
Therefore,
the
city
must
make
changes
to
the
protection
bylaw
to
prevent
developers
from
exploiting
loopholes
and
pushing
unsustainable
projects
that
threaten
our
environment.
W
Also,
in
the
city
memo
there
was
the
Ontario
of
farming
and
food.
Provisions
Act
was
brought
up
as
an
excuse
or
to
explain
the
the
exemption
for
tag
art,
but
when
I
had
read
the
ACT
I,
all
I
I
understood
from
it,
was
the
fact
that
that
only
comes
into
play
when
it
causes
disturbances
to
those
living
on
adjacent
lands.
W
Memo
that
that
exemption
comes
from
the
the
Ontario
food
and
farming
Provisions
act,
which,
once
again
from
what
I
understood,
didn't,
have
anything
to
do
with
farming.
Exemptions
for
tree
cutting
I
think
that
as
a
city,
we
have
a
responsibility
to
protect
our
environment
and
ensure
that
our
growth
is
sustainable.
W
A
X
Good
morning,
I
appreciate
being
here:
I'm
I'm,
a
citizen
not
close
at
all
today
and
I,
really
had
very
little
information
about
that
development.
I
hadn't,
taken
it
in
in
detail.
I
just
was
sorry
that
the
city
was
continuously
expanding.
However,
my
interest
is
in
trees
and
climate
condition
that
we're
in
the
city
has
declared
an
emergency,
but
the
mild
Meek
response
that
has
come
from
facing
this
situation
is
very
inappropriate.
It's
really
appalling
that
the
city
has
such
a
mild
response.
X
X
The
South,
Nation
River
was
mentioned
and
I
know
it's
prone
to
Leah
clay,
landslides,
the
conservation
Authority,
having
no
power.
The
fact
that
the
construction
protocol
suggested
some
years
back
has
never
become
a
protocol.
There's
many
small
things
or
they
sound
small,
but
they're,
not
they're,
very
they're,
very
fundamental
for
protecting
the
environment
that
we
have.
You
know
the
city
does
need
more
housing,
but
it
doesn't
need
more
housing
at
the
expense
of
green
space
and
tree
canopy.
In
fact,
the
city
will
become
less
livable
every
time.
X
We
need
to
have
an
urgency
in
our
response
and
not
only
response,
but
our
prediction
of
things
like
this,
that
we
start
acting
in
advance.
But
now
it's
clear
from
many
comments
of
presenters
that
this
law
by
law
regulation
around
Forest
is
too
weak
and
needs
to
be
strengthened
as
part
of
a
change
that
we
need
to
be
taking
in,
for
example,
if
they
do
replant
25
000
trees,
they're
going
to
be
little
seedlings,
presumably
or
small
saplings,
and
they
cannot
replace
the
trees
that
were
young,
mature
trees.
X
There
and
I
want
to
say
that
it
seems
also
clear
from
comments
and
the
close
reading
of
the
bylaw.
That
does
exist,
that
this
operation
does
not
meet
the
farming
requirement
at
on
any
obvious
way,
and
I
also
want
to
complement
the
comments
of
Donald
Ray
about
the
fall
I,
don't
know,
or
the
residents
about
the
Fallen
trees
being
an
ecological
resource.
We
have
to
have
a
whole
new
appreciation
of
what
an
ecology
is,
including
a
city
ecology
that
has
anything
living
besides
humans
in
it
and
pets.
X
I
don't
know
if
people
have
a
definition
of
the
Algonquins
of
Ontario
operation,
whether
that
is
primarily
a
Development
Group
I'm
interested
in
that
and
the
ownership
and
just
the
whole
conflicts
of
things
that
come
down
and
Destroy
nature
that
it
can
be
done
so
easily
and
so
radically
is
shocking
and
we
should
be
shocked
and
we
should
take
urgent
action.
Thank
you.
A
Y
My
name
is
Phil
Mount
I
come
from
a
farm
family,
we're
in
race,
on
a
dairy
farm
in
southeast
corner
of
rural
Ottawa,
my
wife
and
I
operate
a
farm
in
the
South
End
of
Ottawa
I
have
a
PhD
in
sustainable
Regional.
Food,
Systems
and
I
currently
serve
as
president
of
the
national
Farmers
Union
Local
I
sat
on
the
Lear
Committee
of
the
city
of
Ottawa,
which
established
a
cultural
resource
areas
that
would
be
protected
in
our
city
and
also
relevant
to
this
discussion.
Y
I'm
sure
if
it's
in
Ontario
Provincial,
cross-sectoral
policy,
Alliance
that
promotes
healthy
food
and
farming
and
finally,
I
work
on
food
and
farming
policy
locally.
Through
my
role
as
associate
director
with
just
food,
which
many
of
you
know
is
our
regional
Food
Systems
organization.
I
want
to
talk
about
two
fairly
specific
questions
this
morning,
the
first.
What
is
a
normal
Farm
practice?
Y
Y
It's
unlikely
they
would
have
made
this
recommendation
if
there
was
consensus
that
tree
removal
was
a
normal
Farm
practice
and
therefore
exempt
the
Ontario
Ministry
of
Agriculture
food
and
Rural
Affairs
recommends.
Even
farmers
in
rural
areas
should
be
circumspect
when
it
comes
to
clearing
large
numbers
of
treaties,
keep
in
mind
they're
talking
here,
rural
Farmers,
not
those
on
a
plot
of
land,
immediately
adjacent
to
the
urban
boundary
of
a
major
city
in
an
area
specifically
included
in
its
tree
protection.
Bylaw.
Y
Y
Y
A
D
You
thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Mount
I
found
that
very
interesting.
Are
you
saying
that?
Well
obviously,
what
the
city's
been
looking
at
this
and
has
had
legal
look
at
this,
but
you're,
seeing
that
this
should
not
have
been
accepted,
that
they're,
based
on
your
knowledge
of
of
Agriculture
lands
and
ownership
Etc,
is
that
what
you're
saying
that
there
is
a
way
to
say
that
this
should
not
have
gone
ahead.
Y
I
am
saying
that
I'm
questioning
the
city's
decision
of
immediately
accepting
that
these
were
normal
Farm
practices
of
an
agricultural
operation.
I,
don't
believe
that
is
accepted.
Consensus
among
the
farming
population,
among
Farm
organizations
among
policy
makers,
envir
involved
in
foreign
policy
and
certainly
hasn't
been
established
by
the
normal
Farm
practices.
Protection
board.
D
A
G
Z
We
know
that
the
city
of
Ottawa,
through
the
official
plan
process
and
the
changes
to
it
by
the
provincial
government
that
we're
under
continual
and
increasing
pressure
for
Urban
Development
and
the
tools
we
have
in
place
right
now
to
constrain
development,
have
not
been
capable
of
protecting
natural
areas
and
agricultural
land
and,
in
fact,
incentivizes
deforestation
happening
in
the
Perry
urban
area.
To
avoid
an
immediate
rule
to
avoid
future
Environmental
Studies.
Z
Given
the
critical
importance
of
addressing
both
preservation
of
Farmland
from
development
and
the
critical
role
of
both
tree
canopy
and
sustainable
agriculture
in
climate
change
strategies,
both
already
being
discussed
at
length
within
your
own
climate
change
process,
right
now,
we're
requesting
the
following
actions
so
related
to
process.
We
are
asking,
so
this
is
not
a
let's
go
in
the
future,
as
Phil
said.
We're
asking
for
the
immediate
stop
order
until
you
confirm
that
this
is
a
normal
Farm
practice
which
we
believe
strongly.
It
is
not.
Z
We
are
asking
also
for
a
written
record
of
the
statutes
and
Analysis
undertaken
directly
by
City
staff
that
led
to
this
decision
to
provide
an
exception.
An
exemption
and
lift
the
first
stop
work,
order
to
be
shared
with
stakeholders,
including
the
organizations
that
have
presented
today
within
two
weeks
of
this
environmental
committee,
allowing
for
clarification
of
the
legal
issues
that
still
need
to
be
addressed.
To
close
this
loophole
that
permits
preemptive
deforestation
and
also
to
strengthen
transparency
with
the
community,
which
the
owners
have
attested
they'd
like
to
do.
A
new
process
is
needed
in
Ottawa.
Z
That
requires
information
to
be
provided
to
you
by
landowners
in
advance
of
tree
removal
that
demonstrates
eligibility
as
an
agricultural
business.
As
identified,
we
do
not
believe
that
there
is
an
agricultural
business
that
presented
the
permit
and-
and
there
has
to
be
clear
and
significant
consequences
for
not
doing
so,
for
not
getting
the
clarification
of
the
exemption.
First
entities
cannot
continue
to
be
allowed
to
decide
for
themselves
whether
or
not
they
qualify
for
an
Agricultural
exemption
and
leave
the
city
and
the
community
to
deal
with
and
suffer
the
consequences.
Z
Now
what
we
have,
we
feel
this
action
must
have
consequences
as
a
deterrent
to
preemptive
tree
removal
by
any
developers
who
are
using
short-term
farming
as
a
loophole
to
prepare
the
ground
for
their
housing
developing
aspirations
within
a
short
number
of
years,
tied
to
the
next
discussions
about
the
urban
boundary
expansion.
This
is
a
age-old
tool,
that's
used.
So
what
we're
asking
for
at
that?
Z
Trees,
sap,
trees,
not
trees,
fruit,
trees
in
line
with
broader
biodiversity
goals,
and
then
the
no
net
loss
for
ottawa's
tree
canopy
and
then
in
particular.
What
we
want
to
stress
is
that,
given
the
owner
cleared
the
land
with
the
stated
intention
of
Agriculture
that
the
owners
now
be
required
to
place
an
agricultural
easement
as
a
consequence
to
going
ahead
with
this
tree
exemption
when
they
were
not
eligible
on
the
full
property
that
was
clear-cut
in
perpetuity
and
commit
to
emphasizing
regenerative
agricultural
practices
which
can
include
trees
as
well.
Z
The
loss
of
of
such
a
great
natural
Community
Asset
must
be
replaced
by
another
Community
natural
asset
into
perpetuity,
which
is
sustainable
farmland.
So
these
consequences
are
considered
proportionate
and
significant
to
deter
other
attempts
to
misuse
the
tree
protection
by
law
by
other
non-agricultural
landowners.
I'm
happy
to
explain
what
a
Farmland
easement
is.
If
someone
would
like
to
ask
me
that
question.
Thank
you.
D
Z
Was
just
to
describe
what
that
is,
because
what
we're
finding
is
people
might
not
understand
that
this
is
a
tool
that
has
been
used
many
many
times.
It's
a
private
legal
contract,
that's
negotiated
between
the
property
owners
and
the
land,
trust
or
a
conservation
authority
of
which
we
have
those
in
in
this
region
that
do
this.
So
it's
a
register
it's
registered
on
the
property
title,
which
means
it
applies
to
all
future
owners.
So
this
means
the
Farmland
owners
continue
to
own
their
land
farm.
Z
It,
you
know,
have
the
right
to
sell
their
land,
but
that
Farmland
easement
agreement
allows
for
the
in
perpetuity
use
of
Farmland.
It
doesn't
restrict
the
normal
Farm
practices,
but
again
we
have
to
determine
what
that
is,
and
we
do
not
believe
that
deforestation
is
one
of
those
and
it's
designed
to
support
a
wide
range
of
farm
types
and
agricultural
uses.
Z
Course,
that's
I
we're
asking
for
this
Council
to
agree
at
this
committee
meeting
that
that
the
restitution
is
required.
Now
you
need,
to,
as
Phil
pointed
out,
make
sure
that
stop
re-examine
the
normal
Farm
practices,
so
that
you're
assured
that
yes,
this
does
not
fall
under
there
and
that
this
is
not
an
agricultural
entity
that
brought
the
permit
forward
both
separately.
Z
Then
getting
rid
of
the
exemption
that
that
you
know
making
that
exemption
ineligible
and
then
as
such,
because
we
believe
you
will
find
that
as
such.
If
that
exemption
was
not
eligible
that,
then
we're
asking
you
to
put
in
these
consequences
the
no
net
tree
loss
in
that
Carlsbad
spring
area.
We're
supporting
you,
know,
Community,
quests
and
and
environmental
groups
requests
on
that,
and
what
we
want
to
see
is
that
Farmland
easement
that
that's
a
requirement
so
that,
if
that's
what
they're
saying
the
intent
is
then
put
that
into
ready.
D
Z
That's
going
to
be,
that
is
something
that's
going
to
have
to
be
sorted
out
for
within
a
legal
framework,
and
that's
our
concern
about
the
quickness
of
the
interpretation
by
City
staff.
In
this
issue.
We
think
it
was
premature
and
if
there
was
other
information
that
the
community
is
not
aware
of
that
this
was
based
on.
We
would
love
to
see.
Obviously,
we
recognize
the
proprietary
nature
of
communications
between
the
actual
owners
and
City
staff.
Z
You
know
that's
a
that's
a
requirement
for
you
know
atipping
or
whatever,
that
is
from
meepa,
but
the
actual
considerations
that
City
staff
made
can
be
shared
with
us
within
two
weeks,
so
that
we
all
have
an
understanding
of
what
the
criteria
is,
and
we
do
believe
that
there
was
a
misstep
around
the
Farm
practices
board.
That
we'd
like
to
see
happen
whether
or
not
you're
going
to
separate
consequences
from
that
because
you've
already
given
you
know,
City
staff
interpretation.
That's
that's
outside
of
our
of
our
expertise,.
D
Z
Our
our
interest
is
in
a
determining
if
there
is
an
agricultural
entity
that
brought
this
forward
B
to
determine
that
if
this
was
a
normal
Farm
practice
to
Deforest
this
extent,
and
we
do
not
believe
it
is
so
we
are
a
Food
Systems
organization.
We
recognize
the
need
to
protect
Farmland.
We
are
also
in
partnership
with
broader
entities
that
are
seeking,
first
and
foremost
before
Farmland
is
created
to
ensure
that
it
is
first
and
foremost
following
the
other
land
and
tree
and
water
protection
policies
that
the
city
has.
Z
So
you
have
that
in
place,
based
on
lots
of
expertise
and
and
and
alignment
to
strategies
that
the
city
has
these
have
to
be
followed.
We
don't
believe
they
were
followed.
We
are
just
offering
now
a
second
tier
option,
because
the
clear
the
clear
cutting
the
deforestation
has
already
happened,
but
this
is,
we
do
not
want
to
see.
Farm
been
used
as
a
tool
to
avoid
environmental
assessments
that
that
are
actually
prepping
land
for
housing.
Z
We
welcome
you,
know,
farmland
and,
and
we
want
to
support
New
farmers
in
this
area.
We
want
to
support
existing
farmers
in
this
area
and
to
support
policies
that
that
support
farming,
in
particular
for
for
for
food
domestically,
not
just
to
export,
but
we
do
not
believe
that
these
are
the
issues
that
are
Central
here.
So
the
Farmland
East
meant
that
we're
suggesting,
as
a
consequence,
is
to
then
firm
up
the
the
owners
in
stated
intent
that
it
is
farmland.
A
T
Fantastic,
thank
you
well
good
morning.
Please,
let's
first,
take
a
step
back
and
consider
that
the
entire
two
in
urban
boundary,
expansion
and
approval
of
the
development
seems
squarely
found
it
on
corruption,
as
explicitly
defined
in
the
criminal
code.
Article
123,
section
2,
States
that
every
person
is
guilty
for
an
indictable
offense
and
liable
to
imprisonment
who
influences
or
attempts
to
influence
a
municipal
official
to
vote
in
favor
of
or
against
the
measure
emotional
resolution
or
to
Aid
in
procuring
or
preventing
the
adoption
of
a
measure.
Emotional
resolution
by
suppression
of
the
truth.
T
In
the
case
of
a
person
who
is
under
a
duty
to
disclose
the
truth.
The
city
council's
vote
on
approving
the
urban
expansion
allowing
the
two
in
development
was
achieved
by
former
mayor
Watson
and
his
allies
by
introducing
a
last-minute
surprise
Edition
and
forcing
a
vote
without
an
opportunity
for
counselors.
Some
of
you
here
included
to
have
proper
discussion,
let
alone
sharing
all
the
information
surrounding
the
plans
and
on
the
law
being
carried
out
by
the
Developers.
T
So
I
think
you
can
see.
There
are
clear
textbook
case:
a
criminal
code
definition
case
of
Municipal
corruption,
corruption,
but
I
have
little
expectation
that
the
current
Council
will
order
an
investigation
with
possible
charges
and
overturn
the
decision,
but
I
do
expect
this
new
Council
to
at
least
prevent
new
crimes
and
further
impunity.
T
It's
obvious
that
there
was
no
farming
operation
registered
or
in
place
at
the
site,
as
would
be
required
by
the
tree,
bylow
extension,
so
the
cities
claim
to
give
their
developers
Infinity
since
blatantly
dishonest.
This
makes
it
impossible
to
trust
the
city
anymore
and
it's
fully
Justified
to
question
its
competence
and
integrity.
Please
think
about
that.
T
Please
think
also
that
this
was
a
very
much
a
live
forest
and
wetlands
that
had
not
even
been
evaluated.
We
don't
even
know
how
valuable
and
replaceable
is
the
loss,
but
we
already
know
that
this
forest
was
a
rich
habitat
part
of
a
wildlife
Corridor
and
a
natural
linkage
to
Greenbelt
lands
which
are
essential
to
keep
the
diversity
and
health
of
the
Greenbelt
and
the
city's
natural
wealth.
T
T
I
know
these
are
very
wealthy
and
very
well
connected
developers,
but
how
much
longer
will
they
be
allowed
and
enabled
by
the
city
and
by
this
Council
to
get
away
with
anything
they
want?
If
this
doesn't
do
it,
I
really
don't
know
what
will
I
truly
hope?
You
all
realize
also
the
implications
of
granting
impunity
here.
Anyone
will
now
be
legally
backed
by
this
president
if
they
go
about
decimating
forest
and
Wildlife
and
then
claim
after
the
fact
that
they
had
the
intention
of
farming
later
on.
T
Please
think
about
the
implications
of
setting
such
a
present.
The
city
seems
to
be
willingly
playing
stupid
and
turning
a
blind
eye,
the
city
and
unless
we
see
otherwise,
quite
frankly,
all
of
you
are
choosing
to
wash
your
hands
turn
the
Blind
Eye
and
allow
this
Forest
Massacre
to
go
on
with
total
impunity.
Please
don't
foreign.
A
That's
fine
and
I
would
just
say:
I
mean
I,
think.
The
reason
why
we're
we're
meeting
right
now
and
why
this
is
lifted
on
the
agenda
is
because
we're
not
turning
a
blind
eye,
and
so
just
want
to
be
just
want
to
be
clear
that
obviously
there's
work
to
be
done
here
and
that's.
Why
we're
having
this
discussion
now
a
committee,
but
please
take
your
last
minute.
Thank.
T
You
yes
well,
I
was
saying
unless
we
see
otherwise
so
I
hope
we
see
otherwise
not
just
a
discussion
that
goes
nowhere
but
actual
action.
So
yes,
I,
do
have
that
hope
and
that's
why
I'm
here,
I'm
hoping
I'm
not
wasting
my
time
and
your
time
on
everyone's
time.
So
thank
you,
but
well.
I'll
take
my
remaining
time
to
answer
a
question
made
by
councilor
Kavanaugh
to
Donna
debris
earlier.
It's
about
the
wildlife
protection
during
construction
guidelines.
T
City
staff
did
excellent
work
and
produced
very
solid
protocols
to
be
followed,
but
under
the
planning
committee
chairing
of
former
counselor
Johnny
harder,
they
were
watered
down
dramatically
and
from
required
protocols
they
were
turned
to
suggested
guidelines.
The
only
cell
result
was
a
stated
commitment
by
staff
to
present
them
to
developers
early
on
the
application
processes
and
offer
to
work
with
them
for
I
hope
that
some
of
its
contents
might
be
considered
no
teeth,
no
requirements.
T
A
A
D
S
A
A
Q
When
there's
a
requirement
for
farming
practices
and
that's
because
of
Ontario's
farming
and
food
production
protection
act
and
that
laser
requirement
for
those
exemptions.
I
was
interested
in
hearing
the
delegates
from
just
food
speak
about
how
you
can
get
a
determination
for
normal
farm
for
Farm
practices
under
the
normal
Farm
practices.
Protection
board
and
my
question
to
City
staff
is
whether
or
not
this
is
something
that
is
contemplated
when
there
is
an
agricultural
exemption.
E
AB
Yes,
thank
you.
Mr,
chair,
Stuart
Huxley
with
legal
services.
There
is
two
two
items:
there's
the
exemption
under
the
municipal
Biola,
the
tree
bylaw
that
speaks
of
an
exemption
for
normal
Farm
practices,
the
language
that
Council
used
in
enacting
that
file
up
mirrors
the
language.
That's
in
the
provincial
legislation
that
the
counselor
has
asked
about.
Q
Okay,
thank
you.
Can
I
just
ask
another
quick
question:
can
I
just
confirm
with
staff
the
the
understanding
I
Heard
delegation?
Speaking
about
you
know,
knowing
that
the
developer
is
not
engaged
in
agricultural
operations,
but
can
I
confirm
it's
not
the
developer
itself
that
made
the
application
for
agricultural
uses?
It's
it's
a
leaser
of
the
property.
If
we
can
just
confirm
that
and
and
just
confirm
my
understanding
that
that
agreement
itself
could
not
be
shared
publicly
because
of
privacy,
Privacy
Act,
correct.
E
Thank
you
chair
a
couple
of
comments
so
that
I
just
want
to
correct
the
terminology.
There's
no
application
for
agriculture
per
se.
There
is
a
lease
agreement
between
the
owners
and
the
agricultural
operation
for
the
use
of
the
lands.
It
has
been
shared
with
the
city.
It
is
commercially
confidential,
so
we
cannot
release
it
recently.
Just
been
able
to
work
through
with
the
city,
clerk
and
legal
that
there
is
the
ability
to
have
council
members
view
this
documentation
on
a
you
know
as
anyone.
L
Thank
you
chair,
so
my
questions
today
have
to
do
with
the
the
principles
of
of
fairness,
transparency
and
good
governance.
So
last
Thursday
Counselor,
Clark,
Kelly
and
I
sent
in
a
series
of
questions
to
staff.
We
got
the
answers
yesterday.
Thank
you
very
much,
of
course.
As
often
happens,
the
the
answers
lead
to
more
questions.
One
question
that
we
asked
was
in
a
clear-cut
of
this
magnitude.
L
Would
the
city
normally
expect
to
receive
an
official
application
for
a
permit
before
making
a
determination
of
whether
or
not
an
exemption
could
apply,
and
in
the
answer
that
we
got
from
from
staff?
There
was
a
segment
that
read
quote
the
tree.
Protection
bylaw
provides
guidance
to
residents
on
the
bylaw
requirements
and
exemptions
in
cases
where
a
resident
believes
an
exemption
should
apply.
It
is
prudent
to
confirm
that
directly
with
City
staff
before
proceeding,
especially
in
cases
where
distinctive
trees
or
large
numbers
of
trees
are
proposed
for
removal
and
what
I
found
interesting
was
in.
L
The
answer
was
the
use
of
the
word
resident
because
we
didn't
ask
how
the
bylaw
applied
to
individual
residents.
We
asked
how
the
bylaw
is
applied
to
incidents
of
this
magnitude
and
in
the
answer
we
received.
If
you
replace
the
word
resident
with
applicant
or
even
Corporation,
then
it
seems
like
the
city's
opinion
is
that
it
would
have
been
prudent
for
these
applicants.
These
landowners
to
have
applied
for
a
permit
in
this
situation,
and
so
my
first
question
to
staff
today
is
in
cases
where
large
numbers
of
trees
are
proposed
for
removal.
M
Thank
you
through
you,
chair.
Thanks
for
your
question,
counselor
Devine
I
think
the
the
use
of
the
word
resident
in
that
case
I
think
we
can
replace
it,
like
you
said,
with
landowner
with
Corporation,
whatever
the
entity
that
we're
dealing
with
I
think
is
the
best
way
to
say
that.
So
yes,
there
should
be
no
difference
in
the
way
things
are
treated
so.
M
L
Thank
you
for
that.
So
we've
heard
from
staff
that
the
exemption
to
the
tree
protection
bylaw
was
applied
in
this
case
because
the
land
is
being
developed
for
agricultural
purposes
as
part
of
a
future
farming
operation.
A
lot
of
the
questions
that
I
had
for
staff
staff
revolved
around
the
timeline
of
events
and
how
that
timeline
raises
questions
about
when
and
how
the
arrangement
for
a
farming
operation
between
the
landowners
and
a
local
farmer
came
into
place.
L
We
have
been
told
that
a
lease
has
been
signed
between
the
landowners
and
a
local
farmer,
specifically
the
questions
I
had
for
staff
were.
When
did
the
city
become
aware
of
the
clear
cutting
on
what
date
was
the
lease
agreement
signed
and
when
was
the
city
provided
a
copy
of
that
lease?
So
we
know
now
that
the
city
became
aware
of
the
clear
cutting
on
February
17th,
because
we
were
told
that
in
the
memo
we
received
on
February
28th.
L
The
lease
was
signed,
the
lease
came
into
effect,
therefore,
on
March
3rd
now,
as
I
understand
it,
this
will
mean
that
on
February
17th,
when
clear
cutting
had
already
been
underway
and
when
the
city
became
aware
of
this
clear,
cutting
that
there
was
no
lease
in
place
and
that,
therefore
there
wasn't
yet
a
legal
farming
operation
to
speak
of
for
me
now,
this
clears
up
any
confusion.
Over
What
legislation
was
in
effect
on
February
17th,
as
there
wasn't
any
legal
farming
business
in
place
at
that
time.
L
This
action
was
not
covered
by
Ontario's
farming
and
food
production
protection
act.
This
action
at
the
time
of
the
city's
Discovery,
fell
under
the
jurisdiction
of
the
city's
tree
protection.
Bylaw,
section
82.7
of
the
tree
protection
bylaw
states
that
a
tree
permit
is
not
required
where
the
injury
or
destruction
is
a
normal
Farm
practice
carried
out
as
part
of
an
agricultural
operation
by
a
farming
business.
So
what
have
we
learned
today?
L
We've
learned
that
one,
the
applicants
were
not
farmers
at
the
time
that
the
work
began,
two,
that
there
was
no
lease
in
place
until
March
3rd
and
three,
that
there
is
no
precedent
from
the
provincial
panel.
That
would
see
this
as
a
normal
farming
practice
under
the
act,
and
so
my
question
to
staff
is
if
on
February
17th,
when
clear
cutting
had
already
been
happening
and
which
is
the
date
when
the
city
became
aware
of
this
clear
cutting.
L
If
at
that
time,
there
was
not
yet
a
lease
in
place
between
the
landowners
and
the
farm
owner
and
the
farmer.
If
there
wasn't
there
for
a
farming
business
in
place
to
justify
the
exemption
and
if,
as
we
heard,
farming
experts
themselves,
don't
believe
that
what
happened
can
be
seen
as
a
normal
Farm
practice.
Has
the
tree
protection
bylaw
been
properly
enforced.
AB
In
the
context
of
the
counselors
inquiry,
staff
did
review
following
up
on
complaints
from
the
community
and
did
issue
a
stock
work
order
and
upon
certain
information
being
provided,
which
the
general
managers
indicated
will
be
available
for
view
to
members
of
council
that
information
led
to
the
lifting
of
the
stock
work
order.
But
I
do
pause.
AB
A
note
that
this,
the
municipal
tree
bylaw,
remains
in
effect
the
onus
and
obligation
of
anyone
that
is
seeking
an
exemption
either
to
establish
or
to
maintain
such
a
an
exemption
lies
with
the
the
person
affected,
the
property
owner
or
other
person.
Acting
on
their
behalf,
and
as
the
general
manager
indicated,
the
city
staff
continued
to
monitor
the
site
for
adherence
to
the
bylaw.
E
So
certainly
the
lease
was
a
was
a
key
component
to
that
determination
and
I.
Don't
want
to
speak
for
illegal,
but
the
stop
work
order
was
not
lifted
as
per
one
of
the
memorandums
to
council
until
we
had
that
that
evidence
in
place.
There
was
also
you
know,
commitments
in
terms
of
tile
drainage
and
all
the
other
activities
that
would
support
the
future
agricultural
use
that
informed
that.
AB
Chair
each
case
will
be
assessed
on
the
specifics
of
each
of
each
case,
so
I
can't
say
on
each
individual
case.
The
legislative
scheme
which
this
bylaw
applies
to
also
does
allow
for
a
normal
Farm
practice
to
be
demonstrated
by
intention
or
demonstrated
plans
or
demonstrable
plans
which
may
be
through
intention.
Maybe
a
letter
of
understanding,
maybe
a
lease.
A
S
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
thank
you
to
the
members
of
committee
and
delegates
and
staff
for
for
allowing
me
to
a
few
minutes
to
to
ask
some
questions
today
as
I'm.
Not
a
member
of
the
committee,
but
very
interested
in
the
discussion
that's
being
had
today
and
I
I
do
come
from
an
agricultural
Community.
S
So
so
my
concerns
are
more
around
the
process
and
and
how
this
played
out
so
I
guess.
My
first
question
is
around
the
definition
of
what
is
a
normal
Farm
practice,
and
you
know
given
this
fact
that
I've
heard
already
today
that
the
city
has
not
ever
that's
based
on
what
I
heard
approached
the
normal
friend
practice
protection
board
to
make
these
determinations
I'm
wondering
if
the
city
has
a
definition
that
they
consult
or
what
what
they
use
to
make.
S
It
is
prudent
to
confirm
that
directly
with
City
staff
which
which
I
think
I
agree
with.
But
you
know
when
you,
when
you
see
the
word,
believes
an
exemption
should
apply
I'm
thinking
that
would
be
open
to
Great
interpretation
by
people.
So
I'm
wondering
what
what
resources
the
city
staff
use
to
make
the
determination
as
to
what
a
normal
Farm
practice
is
or
is
not.
AB
Gary,
if
I
respond
to
that,
first
and
foremost,
staff
use
the
language
that
Council
provided
in
the
tree
protection
bylaw
a
tree
protection
bylaw
sets
out
for
normal
foreign
practice,
a
definition
of
that.
We're
also
mindful
that
provincial
legislation
uses
and
mirrors
that
language
in
the
farming
and
food
protection,
food
production
protection
act,
and
there
are
certain
interpretations
by
the
board
that
deals
with
applications
for
normal
form,
practicing
that
provides
guidance
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
G
AB
That,
but,
first
and
foremost,
we
have
to
look
to
the
bylaw.
That's
what
the
expectation
of
anyone
reading
the
Bible
would
be.
What
does
the
bylaw
say?
That's
what
councils
put
in
that's
what
members
of
the
public
looking
to
determine
whether
the
bylaw
applies
and
ultimately,
what
a
court
if
there
were
to
be
a
preceding
arising
out
of
that
bylaw
would
have
to
look
at
first
and
foremost.
E
Thank
you
chair.
So
in
terms
of
the
lifting
of
the
stop
work
order,
it
was
based
on
the
agricultural
operation.
It
was
not
based
on
the
directo
cleanup
I,
think
that
would
be
in
terms
of
that
timeline
or
thinking.
That
would
be
a
question
for
the
day
when
ownership
to
group
in
term
to
respond
to,
in
terms
of
you
know,
looking
at
the
impacts
of
the
major
Echo
being
on
site
and
when
that
decision
to
shifts
those
lands
to
Central
agricultural
use
happened.
E
S
E
S
Is
there
another
case
that
we
could
look
at
some
amalgamation
that
we
could
see
some
similarities
between
the
two
and
then
on
that
no
similar
to
that
from
the
city
perspective
and
from
a
planning
perspective
when
land
is
cleared
for
agricultural
purposes
and
I
know
that
you
have
mechanisms
in
place
to
monitor
what's
going
on,
but
just
from
a
planning
perspective?
Is
there
standards
or
that
you
would
like
to
see
match?
S
You
know,
because
there's
a
loss
of
trees,
so
I
we
would
obviously
be
looking
for
a
net
benefit
overall,
as
a
community
in
a
city.
So
is
there
something
that
you
would
be
looking
at
in
terms
of
a
number
of
years
that
this
land
should
be
used
for
agricultural
purposes
if
it's
cleared
for
that
purpose
like
is
there
any
way
or
any
mechanism
in
place
or
guidelines
in
place
to
to
keep
that
land?
That's
been
cleared
for
agricultural
purposes
as
a
as
a
function
of
Agriculture.
S
M
Thanks
so
much
through
you
chair,
so
just
on
your
first
question,
so
we
are
generally
aware
that
there
have
been
larger
scale.
Removals
like
this
for
a
variety
of
purposes
since
amalgamation,
and
we
don't
have
specific
information
on
many
of
these,
except
in
cases
where
planning
act.
Application
was
in
you
know,
was
involved
or
a
bylaw
complaint,
or
something
like
that,
but
some
of
them
have
been
for
agricultural
purposes.
Others
been
have
been
for
Rural
Development
or
aggregate
extraction
projects.
E
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Counselor
and
I.
Don't
want
to
steal
the
chairs.
I,
don't
want
to
steal
the
chairs
Thunder,
but
there
is
a
Daft
Direction.
That's
that
will
be
tabled.
That
will
ask
staff
to
look
at
what
we
can
do
within
the
context
of
the
governing
legislation
and
we're
also
looking
at
any
improvements
we
can
make
to
the
web
page.
In
terms
of
that,
you
know.
E
Clarity
about
consultation,
like
I,
think
it's
been
acknowledged
by
the
the
landowners
that
there
was
a
failure
and
communication,
and
you
know
they've
certainly
admitted
to
that.
How
can
we,
as
a
city,
you
know,
make
sure
we're
better
positioned
to
make
sure
those,
even
if
there
is
an
exempting
that
that
communication
happens
and
that
there's
staff
involvement
for
work
starts.
A
Thank
you
chair
thanks
very
much
counselor
I,
just
I
guess,
might
as
well
read
in
that
direction
to
staff
now
I,
don't
know
if
we
can
get
up
on
screen,
but
I'll
read
that
through
and
it's
the
direct
staff
to
investigate
and
report
back
on
potential
changes
to
exemption.
82
7
of
the
city's
tree
protection
bylaw
to
require
landowners,
obtain
a
formal
exemption
with
evidence
provided
and
communicate
with
neighbors
the
local
city,
councilor
and
City
staff
prior
to
tree
removals,
including
where
a
permit
is
not
required
by
bylaw.
A
AC
Thank
you,
and
really
on
that
very
note.
Obviously,
this
is
a
very
unfortunate
situation.
All
around
I
could
go
on
at
length.
It's
very
upsetting,
I
guess
what
I
couldn't
understand
from
the
very
start
of
this
is
that
this,
the
Taiwan
development
I
wasn't
on
council
at
the
time,
but
it
was
an
extension
of
the
urban
boundary.
So
we
decide
as
a
council
we're
going
to
extend
the
urban
boundary
at
that
point.
Does
the
urban
boundary
land
not
have
some
specific
designation?
AC
That
would
then
prevent
anybody
from
doing
anything
too
quickly
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
because,
if
this
were
seen
as
obviously
this
is
going
to
be
a
bunch
of
subdivisions
I
think
about
you
know
we
have
them
in
Canada
North.
We
know
that,
what's
going
to
happen,
is
there
going
to
be
subdivision
after
subdivision,
as
it
builds
out
that
this
particular
section
of
trees
could
have
been
a
park?
E
Thank
you
for
the
question
through
the
chair,
so
certainly
I
think
this
has
been
a
point
of
confusion
with
you
know.
Members
of
the
community
spent
a
lot
of
Staff
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
clarifying
this,
so
the
land
where
the
tree
removal
occurred
is
not
within
the
area
that
was
added
to
the
urban
boundary,
so
they,
although
they're
owned
by
the
Algonquins
of
Ontario,
they
are
not
within
the
urban
boundary
they're
adjacent
to
it.
E
AC
So
and
I
did
read
all
that
I
just
felt
that
you
know,
then
it
still
could
have
been
looked
at
differently.
Despite
it's
so
close
to.
You
know
we
had
the
urban
boundary
in
Canada
and
then
immediately
there
was
another
Urban
boundary
extension
right
behind
it.
I
just
think,
though,
there
could
be
some
type
of
special
designation,
I
understand.
We
have
a
tree
bylaw,
but
I
guess
you
know
we
can
talk
about
that
further,
depending
on
what
the
direction
is
to
stop.
What
comes
back,
but
the
other
thing
I
guess
I
would
ask.
AC
Is
that?
Does
staff
do
staff
not
have
already
some
recommendations
when
I
I
just
want
to
tell
a
very
quick
story
and
that
we
had
a
golf
course
in
Canada,
our
famous
golf
course
and
a
bunch
of
trees
were
cut
down
and
the
puny
said
what
is
going
on
here
and
same
thing?
It
wasn't
communication.
Well,
a
simple
email
to
the
golf
course
means
now
that
every
single
time
they
prune
a
tree
they're
communicating
with
me
and
staff.
It
happened
overnight.
AC
M
That
kind
of
thing
so
I
know
that
and
and
so
to
be
very
open
with
Communications
there.
So
I
know
that
that's
already
in
place
for
that,
although
this
one
did
fall
through
without
communication
like
that
so
yeah,
we
think
that
that
is
a
good
idea
and
I
think
under
this
direction.
That
counselor
Menard
has
just
indicated
we'll
be
looking
at
how
we
can
put
that
into
the
bylaw
if
possible.
But
in
the
meantime
we'll
look
at
our.
M
We
have
a
you
know,
extensive
website
for
the
tree
protection
bylaw
and
how
we
implement
the
tree
protection
bylaw.
We
have
a
section
on
that
website
on
exemptions
and
we've
always
been
focused
on
the
Hazardous
tree
exemption,
so
we
don't
require
a
permit
if
there's
a
hazardous
tree
and
we
we
don't
want
to
have
to
have
people
come
to
us
in
that
situation.
If
it's
hazardous,
it
needs
to
come
down,
but
we
always
recommend
in
this
in
that
case,
is
take
a
picture
record.
M
Your
art
like
to
arborist
record
your
assessment
and
in
case
people,
ask
us
about
this.
You
know
so.
We've
got
that
on
the
web
pages,
we're
going
to
update
our
web
pages.
We
can
do
it
immediately
so
that
they
it
says
if
there's
other
exemptions
such
as
agricultural,
please
talk
to
City
Staff.
First,
we
recommend
that
that
kind
of
thing
so
we'll
make
that
kind
of
change.
Immediately.
I,
don't
know
Don.
If
you
want
to
add
anything.
AC
Thanks
I
would
I
would
highly
recommend
that
I
just
think
for
all
the
confusion
that
there
is
out
there
that
people
should
have
to
call
before
they
do
anything.
You
know
when
the
one
one
call
goes
comes
out
and
tells
you
where
your
bell
line
is,
and
you
say,
oh
it's
nowhere
near
where
I
was
going
to
do
anything,
but
at
least
you
found
out
you
know,
I
think
that
would
go
a
long
way
anyway.
Thank
you.
AD
Chair
it's
been
a
long
morning
and
as
I've
sat
here
and
listened
I
thought
there's
got
to
be
a
way
here
to
get
a
win
out
of
this.
The
Taggart
and
algonquin's
look
bad.
The
city
looks
bad.
This
is
a
huge
hit
to
the
environment,
and
certainly
the
community
has
been
impacted,
so
I
appreciate
the
direction,
but
if
there's
more
that
we
can
do,
we
have
a
bylaw
review
work
plan.
AD
That's
going
to
be
before
all
of
us
this
this
calendar
year
and
if
we
think
that
this
bylaw
needs
to
be
reviewed,
then
I
would
alert
all
of
my
colleagues
to
keep
this
front
and
center
similar
to
comments
that
my
colleague
just
made
five
developed
relationships
with
my
developers,
who
have
active
files
in
my
ward
so
that
when
they
are
about
to
do
something
different
than
what
they've
been
doing
up
to
now,
they
give
my
office
a
heads
up.
So
we
can
communicate
that
with
local
residents
to
keep
them
in
the
loop
on
expectations.
AD
I
can't
believe
a
company
like
Taggart
thought
that
removing
25
000
trees
in
the
middle
of
the
night
was
a
good
idea
and
we're
not
going
to
tell
the
local
counselor
we're
not
going
to
tell
the
community
and
we'll
just
try
and
explain
ourselves
once
we
get
caught.
I,
don't
accept
that
at
all.
This
is
not
past
the
smell
test
at
all
Taggart
for
a
company
as
large
as
you
are,
with
the
experience
that
you
have
no
one
is
buying
this.
AD
M
Thanks
for
the
question
through
you
chair,
so
the
municipal
act
lays
out
the
fines
that
are
indicated
in
the
tree
protection
bylaw.
And
what
happens
is
that
it
will
it.
It
would
go
through
court
and
the
fines
would
be
decided
then.
But
the
range
of
fines
are
anywhere
from
a
minimum
fine
of
500
to
a
maximum
fine
of
a
hundred
thousand,
and
it
doesn't
indicate
whether
it's
one
tree
or
two
trees.
It
depends
on
the
situation
and
it
would
get
decided
in
court.
AD
Because
that
is
a
huge
number
twenty
five
thousand
times
five
hundred
dollars
is
twelve
and
a
half
million
dollars.
The
concerns
that
we
heard
that
were
given
for
this
work
originally
about
the
direct
show
safety
concerns.
I
just
want
to
to
raise
that
with
staff
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
you're
the
best
to
answer
this,
but
my
ward
was
hit
during
the
2018
tornado
and
my
ward
was
once
again
hit
in
the
2022
direct
show.
AD
We
have
thousands
of
trees
in
my
ward
in
common
areas
where
people
walk
about
that,
the
NCC
that
the
city
and
others
have
not
addressed
they're,
aware
of
it,
bring
it
to
the
ncc's
attention.
But
if
you
go
by
Riverside,
where
the
tornado
came
by,
you
can
see
an
NCC
land,
Southern
Corridor
Licking
McCarthy
park.
There
are
trees
everywhere
and
when
I
fly
to
Toronto
for
Amo
and
I
come
through.
AD
You
know
the
plane
comes
from
the
south
and
come
in
there's
significant
tree
damage
from
from
the
direct
show
in
this
city
and
I.
Remember
after
the
West
Carleton
tornado,
coming
in
from
the
West
significant
tree
damage,
so
either
there
are
safety
issues
other
earned,
and
if
there
are
safety
issues
we
certainly
have
significant
public
areas
where
trees
exist,
that
have
not
been
addressed
and
probably
will
not
be
addressed.
AD
AB
That
monitoring
will
continue
and
obviously
intentions
will
be
a
factor
in
any
circumstance,
so
bona
fide
intentions
as
to
what
the
use
of
the
land
is
going
to
be
so
through
that
monitoring
process.
If
staff
are
not
seeing
that
bonifide's
articulates
to
the
site,
then
that
would
be
a
concern
for
further
investigation
action
to
be
taken
on
any
particular
file.
AD
Okay,
so
I
guess
my
my
final
thoughts.
Having
listened
to
the
delegations
and
read
a
significant
amount
of
Correspondence,
and
some
very
good
questions
from
my
colleagues
today
is
even
if
the
bylaw
as
it
exists,
now
permits
the
use
and
permits
what
has
happened
here.
There
was
a
gross
failure
to
communicate
and
to
make
their
intentions
clear
with
the
city
and
the
public
to
explain
this
process
to
allow
the
public
to
ask
questions
before
this
happened
and
as
a
result,
we
have
where
we
are
today
where
people
are
very
upset
with.
AD
What's
happened
with
little
explanation
and
the
explanation
that's
been
provided
by
the
applicant
for
many
does
not
pass
the
smell
test
at
all,
so
Mr,
chair,
I,
do
look
forward
to
some
changes
here
and
I
do
offer
the
fact
that
bylaws
in
the
aggregate
are
being
reviewed
by
the
city
that
we're
going
to
go
through
a
bylaw
review
that
members
of
council
are
going
to
be
asked
for
input
on
which
bylaws
should
get
attention.
This
term
of
counsel
and
I
again
want
to
make
colleagues
aware
of
that
process
as
well.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
A
E
A
E
AE
M
AE
Perhaps
the
actions
taken
on
this
property
don't
pass
the
smell
test.
There's
one
thing
that
I
always
like
to
tell
folks
is:
there's
nothing
more.
That
I
would
like,
as
a
rural
counselor
than
to
keep
all
the
development
in
urban
Ottawa,
and
so
anytime
it
comes
out
to
the
rural
area.
It
always
raises
many
concerns.
The
one
thing,
though,
that
I
would
like
to
speak
on
is
ensuring
that
farmers
aren't
negatively
impacted
by
any
change
that
might
come.
AE
You
know
and
I
appreciate
the
direction
that
the
chair
read
out
today
and
happy
to
hear
staff
are
willing
to
take
that
away
and
see
what
else
we
can
do.
But
you
know
in
rural
Ottawa
having
a
developer
own
property
and
having
Farmers
rent
that
land
or
lease
that
land
out
to
continue.
Farming
operations
is
not
uncommon
and
in
fact
there
are
lands
in
my
ward
that
have
been
owned
for
decades
by
Developers,
but
the
farmers
are
still
on
that
property
every
year,
actively
farming
it,
and
so
you
know
this
situation
is
not
uncommon.
AE
One
of
the
benefits
of
that
particular
Arrangement
and
many
farmers
use
the
sale
of
land
to
finance
retirement,
but
until
they're
ready
to
retire,
they
carry
on
I
know
again.
This
is
not
specifically
what's
happened
in
this
instance,
but
at
one
point
this
land
was
farm,
and
so
a
staff
go
away,
I'd
like
to
ensure
that
no
negative
impacts
are
going
to
hit
Farmers
or
landowners
and
Rural
Ottawa.
The
one
thing
I
will
say
and
I'll
wrap
up
chair.
AE
The
one
thing
I
will
say
is
back
in
2018
when
the
Urban
Tree
bylaw
first
came
in
to
a
force
here
in
the
city
of
Ottawa.
There
was
a
tremendous
amount
of
concern
with
rural
landowners
that
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
clear
their
land
for
purposes
that
under
legislation
is
deemed
correct
and
accurate
farming
being
probably
the
predominant
one
and
so
I
know
of
landowners
who
went
out
and
preemptively
cleared
land
just
so
they
wouldn't
lose
the
value
of
their
property.
AE
Even
though
the
bylaw
didn't
extend
into
the
rural
area,
there
was
a
significant
amount
of
concern,
and
so,
as
we
go
forward,
if
we
want
to
make
sure
something
similar
doesn't
happen
and
chair
I
can
promise
you
it
will,
because
land
is
valuable
and
landowners
will
protect
the
value
of
that
land
and
for
Farmers.
That
means
being
able
to
actively
Farm
that
when
we're
looking
at
updating
the
viola,
we
ensure
that
the
proper
oversight
goes
into
protecting
rural
landowners,
protecting
trees
and
Ottawa
is
important.
AE
Ottawa
is
a
an
agricultural
City
and
many
might
not
see
that,
but
80
percent
of
the
city
of
Ottawa
is
in
rural
Ottawa
and
so
making
sure
that
we
continue
with
that
very
proud.
History
is
something
that's
important
to
me
and
I
know
my
colleagues
who
sit
on
Iraq
so
chair.
Thank
you
very
much
and
again
thank
you
to
the
delegates,
staff
and
colleagues
for
hearing
what
I
have
to
say.
Thank.
D
AB
A
As
well
so
I
think
councilor
Kavanaugh,
it
sounds
like
it
is.
It
is
possible,
so
if
we
can
get
some
language
drawn
up
to
ensure
that
that
direction
is
worded
appropriately
and
that
it
would
rise
to
council
upon
this
committee's
report,
Rising
the
council,
that
would
be
helpful,
so
just
ask
staff
to
work
with
you
to
to
draft
that
direction
before
the
end
of
the
item.
So
that
can
be
read
in.
D
Okay,
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
and
I'd
like
to
know
how
Lear
is
taken
into
consideration
once
when
you
know
a
said,
landowner
says
that
their
land
is
going
to
be
used
for
agriculture
use,
notwithstanding
that
it
had
been
at
one
time,
but
is
extremely
poor
quality,
and
given
how
you
know
a
far
treat
treat
the
land
is,
is
as
valuable
as
agricultural
land
too.
D
That
was
actually,
if
you
go
back
even
further,
but
Geo
Ottawa
doesn't
go
that
far
back
when
everything
was
treat
that
that
would
be
important
as
well
so,
but
is
that
taken
into
consideration
when
somebody
says
they're
going
to
be
using
this
land
for
Farmland?
Perhaps
that
comes
into
the
normal
farming
practice
protection
board.
E
D
E
So
chair,
the
in
terms
of
the
question:
it's
it's
not
a
question
of
zoning
you
would.
It
would
be
an
official
plan
change
to
designate
the
land
agricultural
resource,
as
mentioned
the
the
rural
Countryside.
Zoning
permits
the
agricultural
art
activity,
but
in
terms
of
that
long-term
protection
that
would
require
an
official
plan.
Amendment.
D
E
It's
not
designated
agricultural
resource.
We
have
large
areas
of
the
rural
parts
of
the
city
that
are
agricultural
resource
and
large
areas
that
are
rural,
Countryside
or
general
rural
under
the
old
plan.
That
also
can
allow
you
know
firming
activities
on
them,
but
they
don't
have
the
same
quality
of
land
or
protection
afforded
under
the
agricultural
resource
designation.
D
Okay,
well,
it's
kind
of
you
know
after
the
horse
is
bolted
from
the
barn
kind
of
thing,
but
I
what
I?
What
I
really
want
to
know
is
if
we
can
take
another
look
at
this
and
I
think
we're
doing
that
with
this
direction.
So
I
appreciate
adding
on
that
amendment
that
I've
requested
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you.
Q
E
Q
Q
E
Q
L
L
So
my
question,
or
my
possible
direction
to
staff,
would
be
to
inquire
about
whether
or
not
possible
amendments
to
section
45
could
be
included
and
I
know
that
I've
spoken
with
staff
about
this
before
section
45
of
the
bylaw
says
any
person
who
intends
to
endure
or
destroy
a
tree
under
this
part
shall
submit
to
the
general
manager
and
application
for
a
tree.
Permit
it's,
and
so,
when
I
see
that
all
I
hear
is
any
person
who
intends
to
cut
down
a
tree
shall
apply
for
a
permit.
L
It
doesn't
say
any
person
with
the
exemption
of
those
who
believe
that
they
would
fall
under
under
an
exemption,
and
so,
as
we
look
at
revisiting
the
tree,
protection
by
law
I
would
ask
if
we
can
amend
our
direction
to
staff
to
see
whether
or
not
fleshing
out
of
section
45
could
be
included.
So
I'm
not
sure.
If
that's
a
question
as
much
as
a
suggestion.
I.
A
E
I'll
I'll
start
in
perhaps
with
our
second
add-on,
so
certainly
section
82
overrides
the
section
45
and
so
the
exemption
supersedes
that
it
would
also
be
very
careful
about.
You
know
a
broad,
a
broad
Rush
approach,
not
just
the
the
rural
considerations
that
councilor
Brown
articulately
informed
in
terms
of
the
history
of
the
bylaw,
but
also
in
terms
of
the
you
know,
the
staff
resourcing
implications
and
the
fact
that
they
could
draw
staff
away
from
other
priorities
in
terms
of
the
tree.
E
L
E
Yeah,
certainly
we
have
an
indication
of
the
timing.
You
know
that
that
would
be
in
place
by
next
year.
Obviously,
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
has
to
happen.
You
know
to
see
that
to
fruition.
I
think
you
know
to
yourself
counselor
and
other
counselors
I
think
perhaps
viewing
the
supporting
documentation
may
may
provide
you
some
of
that
level
of
assurance
in
terms
of
their
intentions,
which
we
will
continue
to
Monitor
and
keep
track.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
counselor
and
we'll
go
back
to
councilor
Kavanaugh
in
a
moment
for
that
Direction
and
just
just
on
the
there's,
a
couple
delegations
that
raise
the
no
net
loss
approach
in
the
official
plan
and
in
the
rural
area.
Maybe
staff
could
just
just
comment
on
that
piece
because
we
heard
several
delegations
speak
to
that.
G
M
Thank
you
Don
and
thanks
for
the
question
chair,
so
this
the
implementation
of
these
policies
as
I
understand
it.
Is
that
we'll
be
doing
it
sort
of
a
variety
of
ways
and
one
of
the
things
I
hope
you
can
hear
me
as
I'm.
Looking
at
my
notes
on
this,
one
of
the
things
is
that
we're
looking
at
refocusing
our
rural
acquisition
and
our
stewardship
budget
to
improve
our
natural
heritage
system,
especially
in
linkage
areas.
So
we've
identified
those
kinds
of
things
and
expect
to
pick
that
up
and
move
forward
with
that.
M
We're
also
going
to
be
looking
at
areas
where
we
can
improve
both
the
natural
heritage
system
and
tree
Wetland
cover
Through
restoration
under
that
same
kind
of
stewardship
type
of
activity,
making
Partnerships
with
landowners
that
kind
of
thing.
So
those
are
our
intentions
and
I.
Imagine
that,
as
we
get
to
the
green
space
and
urban
Forest
master
plan,
which
is
to
come,
we
will
have
a
little
bit
more
information
on
and
detail
on
those,
no
net
loss
policies
and
the
implementation
of
them
in
there.
Okay,.
A
That's
helpful
detail.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
Just
some
comments
for
me
before
I
go
to
counselor,
Kavanaugh
I
think
there.
The
balance
we're
trying
to
strike
here
is
between
the
very
good
comments
that
councilor
Brown
made
about
the
roll
farming
and
the
exemptions
that
have
been
in
place
there
with
clearly
what
was
initially
a
request
to
add
this
area
to
the
urban
boundary
and
what
seems
like
something
that
not
really
intended
for
long-term
farming,
but
that
this
developer
May
intend
indeed
to
develop
in
the
future
and
that
that's
the
concern.
A
I
think
that
we've
that
we've
got
here
is
that
balance
and
striking
that
balance,
and
so
my
concern
here
is
how
to
prevent
that
type
of
incident
in
the
future
without
affecting
you
think
the
the
comments
that
counselor
Brown
made
so
hopefully
that
direction
can
help
get
us
to
that
better
place.
The
Perry
Woodlands
update
and
then,
as
well
as
the
comments
you
just
made
about
that
no
net
loss.
This
is
a
very
concerning
think
incident
that
happened
in
the
city,
and
this
is
the
type
of
thing
we
you
know.
A
If
you
had
a
area
in
the
rural
area
that
you
intended
to
farm
and
at
least
sign,
what's
what's
to
stop
massive
take
down
of
trees
in
those
in
those
cases
right,
and
so
that's
that's
where
we
have
to
balance
is-
is
to
protect
that
that
that
portion,
while
understanding
there
are
legitimate
exemptions
for
farming
activities
that
have
occurred
in
the
past
and
will
continue
to
occur.
So
just
some.
Some
final
comments
on
my
end:
councilor
Kevin.
Are
you
ready
to
put
in
that
direction
that
you
had
mentioned.
A
D
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
I
think
just
having
read
that
in
counselor
we
can
just
take
that
direction.
We
can
refine
it
prior
to
council
as
well,
if
needed,
because
I
guess
it
has
to
go
to
council
anyway,
but
I
think
the
general
Direction
you're
providing
is
What's
Understood
by
the
committee
and
staff
is
well
understood,
so
we'll
we'll
we'll
take
that
work
on
the
formal
direction
for
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
and
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item,
because
I
think
that's
it
for
that
item.
A
Q
AB
Yes,
I
understood
the
direction
to
be
to
that
effect
to
to
city
of
Ottawa
or
to
council,
to
deter
staff
to
consider
what
an
application
to
the
normal
Farm
practices
protection
board
for
determination
of
whether
or
not
the
intention
to
the
farm.
The
land
in
question
that
the
city
has
been
made
aware
of
would
constitute
a
normal
Farm
practice
pursuant
to
the
farming
and
food
production
protection
act,
1998.
Q
AB
Yes
and
that's
why
I
think
that
my
submission
would
be
the
direction
provides
to
allows
staff
to
provide
what
the
potential
process
would
be
and
the
outcomes
whether
it
would
be
that
it
would
constitute
a
normal
Farm
practice
or
it
would
not,
and
what
the
ramifications
and
circumstances
would
relate
to
that
as
it
applies
to
the
tree.
Protection
bylaw.
AB
Q
AB
At
this
point
in
time,
the
bylaw
contemplates
its
stop
work,
orders
are
issued
by
the
ultimately
by
the
general
manager
has
delegated
into
bylaw,
and
the
circumstances
to
date
are
that
a
stock
work
order
was
issued.
Initially,
there
are
certain
conditions
that
have
to
be
met
in
order
to
issue
a
stop
work
order
I.E
that
there's
the
belief
that
there
is
a
contravention
of
the
bylaw,
but
that
that
delegation
ultimately
lies
to
the
general
manager
on
upon
him
being
satisfied.
Those
conditions
exist.
E
E
Certainly
would
have
to
take
a
closer
look
at
that.
In
terms
of
you
know,
the
initial
information
we
received
and
the
advice
that
you
know
that
I
received
was
that
you
know
there
was
no
grounds
to
have
that.
Stop
work
order
stay
in
effect,
so
that
would
require
a
revisiting
of
that
that
direction.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
Vice
chair
Carr
appreciate
that
extra
information
that's
helpful,
so
we're
moving
on
to
the
environmental
stewardship
advisory
committee
end
of
term
closeout
report.
There
is
a
speaker
on
this
and
it
is
Chris
Nanda,
chair
of
the
environmental
stewardship
advisory
committee.
So
Chris
I'll
ask
you
to
come
up
now
and
speak
to
the
closeout
report.
AF
Thank
you
very
much,
Mr
chair,
I
just
would
ask
if
I
get
a
two
minute
and
30
SEC
and
a
30
second
warnings,
because
I
don't
want
to
run
over
so
I
want
to
just
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
the
governance
reports
submitted
by
the
environmental
stewardship
advisory
committee
esac
for
the
2019-2020
term.
It's
nice
to
be
back
in
the
Champlain
room
after
being
away
for
several
years
to
decode
due
to
covid,
because
this
is
where
we
used
to
meet
prior
to
covet.
AF
This
past
term,
we
were
fortunate
to
have
a
council
liaison
and
you
Mr
chair,
who
gets
the
importance
of
environmental
stewardship,
particularly
given
the
looming
threats
from
climate
change.
Unfortunately,
as
has
been
the
case
in
the
past,
the
effectiveness
of
esac
has
been
hampered
and
it
has
never
reached
its
potential
due
to
what
many
esac
members
past
and
present
have
seen
as
flaws
in
the
governance
structure.
AF
Hopefully,
these
drawbacks
will
be
rectified
when
the
next
environmental
advisory
committee
is
created
sooner
rather
than
later.
We
hope.
We
also
hope
that
the
environment
committee
and
Council
in
general
will
take
to
heart
the
recommendations
for
Council
priorities
priorities.
The
esac
members
have
worked
hard
on
to
develop
and
that
are
included
in
the
report.
AF
Several
people
have
asked
me
why
no
advisory
structure
has
been
set
up
to
deal
with
the
environment
when
the
recruitment
process
for
other
advisory
committees
are
well
underwear,
I
had
no
answer
for
them
and
given
the
latest
dire
warnings
about
imminent
threats
from
climate
change
in
the
U.N
report
released
yesterday,
breaking
a
successor
to
the
to
esac
early
in
this
Council
term
is
imperative,
particularly
given
the
threats
to
the
well-being
of
present
and
future
generations
of
Ottawa
residents
due
to
pressing
environmental
issues.
Chris.
Thank
you.
For
example,
we
could
esack.
AF
Our
successor
could
have
be
involved
in
providing
guidelines
on
revising
the
regs
and
policies
for
tree
protection,
something
that
we
spoke
about
in
in
the
item.
Regarding
tawin,
the
prior
esac
had
members
who
were
very
seized
with
tree
protection
issues.
There
are
lots
of
positive
aspects
included
in
the
report
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
over
to
those
in
the
interests
of
time.
There
are
also
some
areas
of
improvement
and
I'll.
AF
There
was
also
perceived
hesitancy
among
some
esac
members
that
City
staff
only
used
the
committee
to
provide
advice,
late
late
in
the
process
of
developing
processes,
strategies
and
programs,
and
we
would
encourage
esac
to
staff
to
ask
for
esect
to
be
asked
for
advice
well
in
advance
of
tabling
draft
budgets
and
the
city
staff
should
consult
esac
and
other
committees
at
the
beginning
of
the
process.
To
ask
for
specific
recommendations.
AF
Esac
advice
should
be
conveyed
to
the
city
staff
before
initial
reports
are
completed
whenever
possible,
and
this
information
should
be
conveyed
to
the
appropriate
standing
committee
before
it
considers
the
matter
and
also
we
would
suggest
staggering
terms
so,
there's
greater
continuity,
SEC
more
items
with
fewer
agenda,
rather
than
fewer
meetings
with
more
agenda
items.
We
suggest
five
bi-monthly
meetings,
September
November,
January,
March
and
June,
with
extra
meetings
as
necessary,
and
also
this
is
my
last
point
before
I
conclude.
The
mayor
should
reinstate
having
annual
biannual
meetings
with
chairs
and
co-chairs
of
advisory
committees.
AF
This
was
actually
very
effective,
gave
us
a
chance
to
actually
meet
with
the
mayor
and
for
the
mayor
to
hear
what
was
said
so
overall
esac
commends
the
city
of
Ottawa
for
establishing
citizen
citizen-based
advisory
committees,
and
we
urge
that
the
city
would
better
refine
the
role
of
esack
or
its
successor
and
consider
how
Council
and
City
staff
can
fully
use
the
committee
with
its
qualified
members
in
developing
various
initiatives
related
to
environmental
stewardship.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
for
that
delegation.
I
see
a
couple
of
hands
up
for
you
as
well
I'll
just
mention
before.
Just
before
going
to.
There
is
a
governance
review
right
now,
going
on
of
the
advisory
committees
in
the
city
of
Ottawa,
as
well
as
counselor
sponsors
groups,
and
so
it's
a
good
time
to
have
this
delegation
and
the
information
come
forward.
Counselor
Curry,
yeah.
AC
AF
AC
AF
C
AF
Yeah,
no
I
would
just
again
the
things
these
themes
about,
like,
for
example,
the
number
of
meetings
and
having
a
little
bit
more
power
and
not
being
a
little
able
to
have
a
little
bit
more
initiative,
respecting
the
role
that
we're
just
there
to
advise.
We're
not
there
to
make
policy.
But
those
are
things
that
were
frustrating
and
the
other
thing
I
would
mention.
AF
I
mean
Chris
was
very
helpful,
but
I
think
it
would
also
be
beneficial
if
possible,
if
there
could
be
more
resources
to
the
Secretariat,
because
I
think
he's
juggling
a
lot
of
of
balls
in
the
air,
and
that
would
help
because
one
of
the
things
that
that
was
very
frustrating
is
there
were
very
some
of
the
responses.
Questions
that
we
had
queries
that
we
never
received
an
answer
to,
and
it
seems
like
it
would
have
been
nice
to
have
follow-up
and
I'll.
AF
Just
give
one
example:
one
one
thing
that
I
I
put
forth
I
came
across
a
2007
document
which
talked
about
the
city's
notional
targets
for
split
in
transportation,
between
active
Transportation,
public
transit
and
private
vehicle,
and
that
was
for
the
year
2022.
And
what
I
asked
for
about
a
a
year
ago-
I,
don't
remember
exactly,
but
was
what
were
the
most
current
things
like
up
to
2020
and
we
never
heard
back
from
staff
and
to
me
that
would
be
something
that
there
should
be
on
hand.
AF
You
know
we
were
just
asking
for
the
most
current,
but
ideally
it'd
be
nice
to
have
that
and
and
again
the
other
thing,
I
would
just
say
is
stress
the
importance
of
actually
having
a
chance
to
provide
input
like
not
just
the
week
before
the
meeting
the
the
matter
goes
to
the
environment
committee
or
in
the
case
of
the
budget.
Before
the
you
know,
on
the
draft
budget.
That's
just
already
been
tabled
because
it's
almost
like
it's
almost
like
we're
rubber,
stamping
it
and
I
think
that
was
very
demoralizing
to
people.
AF
Q
Q
Q
The
value
of
esac
was
as
sort
of
an
Advisory
Group
over
perhaps,
and
the
difference
it
could
make
when
looking
at
sort
of
these
stakeholder
organizations
and
I
asked
that
I'm
not
part
of
the
the
governance
review,
that's
being
undertaken
right
now,
but
it
would
be
helpful
for
me
to
understand
how
you
saw
that
that
value
of
esac
as
compared
to
sort
of
the
stakeholder
organizations
that
actively
work
on
these
issues.
I.
AF
It
was
helpful
to
for
them
to
at
least
hear
us
and
I
know
and
I
really
think
that
I'm
just
related
to
that
having
the
the
meeting
with
the
mayor
was
very
helpful
and
we
had
one
instance
I
think
it
was
in
2018
or
2019..
There
was
a
weather
issue,
and
so
the
mayor
had
arranged
to
meet
with,
with
myself
and
and
the
other
member
from
esak,
and
maybe
one
of
the
other
committees
and
well,
we
showed
up
nobody
else
did
because
of
the
weather.
AF
We
didn't
get
the
memo
that
the
meeting
might
be
canceled
well,
the
donuts
were
there,
the
coffee
was
there
so
myself,
the
other
member
and
the
mayor
and
one
of
his
assistants.
We
just
sat
in
the
mayor's
office
and
had
a
very
Frank
conversation
I,
don't
know
how
much
difference
it
made,
but
it
was.
The
mayor
was
taking
notes
and
it
was
pretty
hard
for
him
to
ignore
what
was
said
and
I
just
think.
AF
We're
there
to
try
and
help
council
do
its
business,
we're
not
there
to
try
and
steal
their
Thunder,
we're
not
trying
to
steal
the
the
Thunder
of
the
city,
officials
and
I.
Think
that
that's
something
that
we
had
in
that
and
and
I
think
we
tried
not
to
be
it's
a
fine
line
between
advising
and
advocating,
and
we
were
trying
to
to
maintain
that
in
terms
of
your
your
question
about
dealing
with
the
other
stakeholder
groups.
AF
That
was
an
area
where
it
was
kind
of
unclear
like
whether
the
extent
to
which
delegations
could
come
I.
Don't
think
that
a
lot
of
organizations
knew
that
they
could
actually
approach
to
speak
to
issues
that
were
on
our
agenda
and
I.
Think
that's
something
that
could
be
improved.
We
did
have
some
informal
like
I
would
get
emails
from
organizations?
Oh
can
we
you
know,
can
we
speak
to
this?
AF
A
A
You
I'm
wondering
everyone:
okay
to
just
keep
powering
through
here.
I
know
we
had
just
a
five
minute
break,
but
everyone
all
right.
Okay,
we
had.
We
had
that.
We
had
that
break
if
people
need
to
go
on
their
own
feel
free,
but
unless
people
really
want
another
break
right
now:
okay,
okay,
good,
let's
keep
going
so
next
up
is
the
Wastewater
energy
transfer
pilot
project
and
so
I'll
ask
staff
to
come
up
and
give
a
presentation
and
there's
one
delegation
for
this
item
as
well.
X
AG
AG
This
is
a
brief
presentation
summarizing
and
recommending
to
counsel
the
approval
of
a
Wastewater
energy
transfer
pilot
project.
Next
slide,
please
I'd
like
to
also
just
say
we
have
representation
for
any
questions
available
to
you
today
from
Legal
Services,
as
well
as
finance
and
Corporate
Services,
if
required.
AG
So
I'm,
just
going
to
run
through
the
agenda
for
today,
we're
just
going
to
briefly
introduce
you
to
what
wet
systems
are:
Wastewater
energy
transfer
systems,
I'll
talk
about
the
benefits
of
wet
systems.
I'll
briefly
outline
the
pilot
project.
I'll
explain
the
memorandum
of
agreement
that
was
signed
between
the
city
and
Thea
Partners
in
Vari.
We'll
talk
about
some
of
the
risks
to
be
mitigated,
recommendations
to
council
and
then
next
steps
next
slide,
please!
AG
So
what
are
wet
systems?
The
sewage
collection
system
provides
a
continuous
flow
of
sewage,
as
you
know,
with
relatively
stable
temperatures.
Wastewater
provides
a
medium.
Therefore,
for
heat,
recovery
or
heat
rejection
also
known
as
a
source
sink,
and
it
can
be
used
for
building
Heating
and
Cooling
when,
coupled
with
a
heat
exchange
system,
there's
different
types
of
wet
systems
on
the
market,
some
have
the
heat
exchanger
plates
that
are
directly
inside
the
sewer
pipe
others
take
a
section
of
the
sewer
out
and
replace
it
with
a
heat
exchange
system.
AG
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AG
AG
By
comparison,
the
average
car
with
average
mileage
produces
about
four
metric
tons
per
year.
Wet
systems
also
provide
a
continuous
flow,
with
relatively
stable
temperatures,
they're
useful
for
both
Heating
and
Cooling
loads.
They
are
energy
and
efficient
and
they're
economical.
When
they're
used
for
large-scale
use,
they
help
support
sustainability
goals
using
our
existing
Municipal
infrastructure
and
they
provide
an
additional
source
of
revenue
for
the
city.
AG
According
to
the
Canada
Green
Building
Council,
the
dream
Liberton
project
will
be
the
country's
largest
residential
zero
carbon
development
via
Partners,
in
partnership
with
envary
holding
Inc,
have
been
engaged
by
dream
to
design
and
build
a
proposed
wet
system
to
supply
zero
emission.
Heating
and
Cooling
to
the
developments
on
the
right
is
a
location
map
of
the
development
site,
which
is
at
665
Albert
Street
at
the
northeast
corner
of
booth
and
Albert
streets.
AG
The
dream
site
is
shown
on
the
image
to
the
right.
You
can
see
that
the
location
of
the
Interceptor
out
fall
sewer
and
the
East-West
tunnel
of
the
combined
sewage
storage
tunnel
that
cut
through
the
Northwest
portion
of
the
property
next
slide.
Please
the
city's
planning
and
infrastructure
and
Water
Services
departments
and
entered
into
a
memorandum
of
agreement
in
June
of
2022.,
the
Moa
formalized,
a
commitment
to
pursue
the
design,
construction,
operation
and
maintenance
of
a
wet
system.
AG
A
technical
advisory
committee
was
formed
with
representatives
from
infrastructure
and
Water
Services
planning
and
real
estate
legal
and
finance
and
Corporate
Services,
who
looked
at
a
number
of
wet
system
connection
Concepts.
We
completed
a
municipal,
Municipal
scan
of
comparable
wet
projects
and
fees.
We
looked
in
person
at
some
comparable
projects
in
Washington
DC
and
we
discussed
opportunities
and
constraints
to
expand
the
potential
wet
system
Beyond,
just
the
dream
property.
AG
AG
AG
AG
The
connection
to
the
Sewer
is
the
only
element
of
the
wet
system
to
be
located
within
the
sewer
Network
next
slide.
Please
there's
five
recommendations
that
we
offer
to
you
today
in
support
of
this
project.
The
first
is
that
you
authorize
the
general
manager
of
infrastructure
and
water
services
or
they're
designate
to
consider
the
approval
of
a
connection
to
the
city's
Wastewater
infrastructure
for
the
wet
system
pilot
which
would
be
subject
to
detail,
design
and
third-party
review.
AG
Secondly,
to
approve
a
new
wet
system,
design
review
fee
and
an
annual
energy
transfer
fee,
the
first
being
to
recover
staff
costs
for
wet
design,
review
and
the
second
being
to
recover
costs
for
ongoing
monitoring
and
inspection.
Once
the
system
is
operational
and
we
will
validate
these
fees
as
part
of
the
pilot
implementation.
AG
The
third
recommendation
is
to
delegate
authority
to
the
general
manager
of
infrastructure
and
water
services
to
enter
into
a
wet
agreement
with
Thea
partners
and
Vari
to
be
guided
by
the
draft
term
sheet
next
slide.
Please,
we
also
recommend
being
directed
to
review
existing
procedures
when
private
utilities,
such
as
District
energy
companies,
propose
to
locate
infrastructure
within
the
municipal
right-of-way.
And
lastly,
we
recommend
that
Council
direct
staff
to
report
back
on
the
results
of
the
wet
pilot
project
no
later
than
18
months.
AG
Following
the
implementation
of
the
project
next
slide,
please
should
Council
support
the
report
recommendations.
The
next
steps
would
be
to
review
and
refine
the
technical
advisory
committee
and
the
governance
structure
for
the
pilot
to
consider
the
detailed
design
and
third
party
review
negotiate
the
terms
of
the
wet
agreement,
carryout
inspections
during
construction
and
operation,
followed
by
ongoing
monitoring
and
to
report
back
on
the
results
of
the
wet
system
pilot
following
implementation,
and
that
is
the
last
slide
and
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
J
Thank
you
very
much
Mr
chair
and,
and
thank
you
to
the
staff
team
for
for
this
proposal
and
to
all
that
we're
involved
in
it
to
you
know.
Clearly,
Innovation
and
Technology
are
critical
enablers
when
it
comes
to
to
what
we're
looking
at
in
terms
of
our
obligations
to
to
to
fight
climate
change
issues,
and
you
know
this
is
an
exciting
project.
My
my
biggest
concern
is,
one
of
you
know
introducing
fragility
into
our
infrastructure.
J
AH
Thank
you
chair.
The
city
has
connections
into
our
sewer
system
all
the
time,
and
so
this
is
not
a
new.
You
know
basically
we're
allowing
a
connection
into
our
sewer.
It's
common
practice.
We
have
designs
and
and
fail
safes
to
ensure
the
Integrity
of
that
connection,
and
the
risk
is
no
different
than
any
other
connection
that
would
be
coming
into
our
system.
A
U
U
Just
very
quickly,
we
talked
that
it's
the
developer
is
dream:
we're
not
the
developer.
In
this
case,
stream
chose
us
as
their
energy
partner
and
so
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
difference
there.
We
talked
a
whole
bunch
about
the
development
already,
but
I
would
point
out
to
counselor
Brown
there's.
This
is
600
units
downtown,
which
is
nice
and
for
everyone,
who's
been
here
all
morning.
There's
no
trees
on
this
site.
Is
it
contaminated
place
with
a
couple
of
bushes
near
the
LRT?
U
So
it's
a
great
site,
it's
going
to
be
full
of
affordable
housing
and
we
want
to
make
it
as
clean
as
possible.
Next
slide,
so
who's,
Thea
and
and
who
would
be
involved
with
this.
So
Thea
is
a
boutique
scale.
Development
company,
we're
best
known
for
our
work
at
zebi,
where
we
worked
to
take
a
contaminated
site
and
and
create
an
ecological
based
development
assistant
will
development
there.
U
In
particular,
we
designed
and
constructed
and
developed
the
district
Energy
System,
which
is
based
on
recovered
energy
and
then
in
Vari
I.
Don't
think
that's
a
mystery
to
anybody
on
Council,
but
envary
is
a
is
a
private
company
but
wholly
owned
by
Hydro
Ottawa,
which
is
fully
owned
by
the
city
of
Ottawa,
and
so
they
are
really
our
partner.
And,
interestingly,
we
have
worked
very
closely
together
because
Hydro
is
also
a
partner
in
the
district
Energy
System
at
CB
next
slide.
U
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
why
we're
the
right
team
for
a
pilot
I
think
when
you
do
something
different,
you
want
somebody
to
come
to
the
table.
Who
has
some
experience
in
this
area?
We've
worked
very
closely
with
staff
to
talk
about
what
we
want
to
do,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
people
to
understand
that
we're
trying
to
reduce
the
risk
by
being
we're
already
in
this
business.
So,
as
I
said,
we
developed
the
ZB
Community
utility
we've
worked
together.
U
The
zcu
is
the
largest
zero
carbon
utility
in
Canada
of
its
type,
and
it
also
is
based
on
recovering
heat
and
rejecting
heat.
And
so,
although
we
didn't
use
a
sewer
in
that
case,
we
used
a
factory
and
the
river,
it
is
still
really
really
a
very
similar
concept,
so
we
use
similar
Technologies
behind
the
scenes,
so
we're
an
experienced
team
we've
already
worked
together.
We
have
functioning
governance,
we're
appropriately
financed
and
really
our
whole
reason
to
exist
is
to
find
you
know,
economic
solutions
to
environmental
problems.
So
this
is.
U
I
think
it's
also.
You
know.
We
talked
a
little
bit.
Marilyn
talks
a
little
bit
about
the
delineation
of
risk,
and
this
is
a
really
small
graphic
for
anybody
in
this
room,
but
hopefully
in
front
of
you
can
see
it,
but
essentially
that's
the
city's
sewer
on
the
left-hand
side
of
the
screen.
In
this
case,
it's
a
hundred
feet
below
the
surface,
and
so
we've
got
to
go
down
and
the
what
you
see
is
the
vertical
shaft
on
the
right.
That
would
be
the
wet.
U
Well,
that's
what
we
need
to
construct.
So
this
is
a
big.
This
is
a
big
hole
that
we're
digging
down
to
get
to
this
sewer,
and
then
we
make
the
connection
but
understand
that
everything
that's
the
cities
is
is
just
that
sewer
everything
to
the
right
of
this
page
is
ours,
so
we
build
the
wet
well,
we
maintain
the
wet.
Well,
we
maintain
the
pumps.
We
maintain
the
energy
exchange
that
happens
in
the
building,
and
so
really
the
city
is
just
talking
about
whether
there's
a
gate
open
or
a
gate
close.
U
We
either
take
sewage
or
we
don't,
and
so,
if
something
fails
on
our
side
of
the
system,
it
just
doesn't
take
sewage
anymore
and
doesn't
give
it
back.
There's
there's
nothing
introduced
here,
we're
not
in
the
chain
of
getting
to
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
we're
on
the
side
of
the
chain,
so
we
either
take
the
effluent
or
we
don't
take
the
F,
there's
nothing
more
than
that.
Next
slide,
you
guys
are
very
busy.
Obviously
everybody
is
really
busy.
So
why
do
this
at
all?
Really
it
comes
down
to
the
economics.
U
So
this,
this
piece
of
infrastructure
is
really
enabling
technology
to
allow
people
to
Electrify
their
heating
load
at
the
dream.
Development
it'll
save
almost
1200
tons
of
CO2
in
perpetuity,
which
is
outstanding
and
at
the
full
scale,
this
project
save
over
four
kilotons
a
year.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
AC
Up
yeah
just
quickly
I
was
going
to
ask
you
how
similar
it
was
to
zibi.
Then
you
said
it's
very
similar,
so
the
reason
why
I
guess
I
would
ask
staff
this
as
well
is,
and
why
is
this
really
a
pilot?
Then
it
and
I
always
find
this
interesting,
because
this
is
a
pilot,
because
then
we're
going
to
do
it
all
over
the
city
or
do
we
even
have
the
ability
to
do
that.
U
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question,
so
the
reason
it's
a
pilot
is
that
nothing
at
ZB,
for
instance,
interfaces
with
a
piece
of
City
infrastructure
so
that
the
sewer
itself
belongs
to
the
city.
The
effluent
in
the
sewer
belongs
to
the
city,
and
so
this
is
an
interface
with
a
piece
of
infrastructure.
At
ZB
we
had
to
do
a
similar
process,
much
less
governance,
but
we
had
to
go
to
Kruger
and
we
had
to
say:
can
we
take
your
waste
heat,
and
so
we
had
to
go
through
a
process,
a
legal
process,
a
technical
process?
U
AC
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
delegation.
Any
other
questions
for
the
delegates.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
much
for
being
here
nice
to
have
you
and
I
know
the
local
counselor
will
want
to
speak
on
this
I
know.
Counselor
King
also
had
his
hand
up.
Did
you
want
to
defer
to
the
local
counselor
first
or
no
okay,
counselor
truster?
Thank.
AA
You
well,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
say
I'm
very
excited
about
this
technology.
I
was
explaining
it
to
my
daughter
last
night
and
she
summarized
it
so.
They're
gonna
use
poop
from
the
sewers
to
heat
a
building
and
I'm
like
yes,
they
are,
but
no,
it
is
really
really
interesting
and
labretin
is
such
a
cool
property
because
it
could
then
be
scaled
out
at
lebraten
like
two
other
buildings
at
lebraten
I.
Just
there
were
a
couple
of
questions
that
occurred
to
me
after
we
met
I'm.
U
U
AA
Would
happen
yeah,
okay,
that's
good
to
know
and
then
I
know,
councilor
Curry
was
asking
about
scaling
out.
Will
they
be?
Will
there
be
priorities
in
the
future
to
establish
which
projects
can
construct
a
wet
system
that
would
be
for
City
staff
I?
Guess
because
this
is
a
pilot,
so
the
idea
is
to
try
to
not
just
do
it.
One.
AA
A
AI
Yes,
they're
all
just
rap,
because
the
Thunder
was
stolen
by
both
counselor
Curry
and
the
councilor
at
roster.
I
wanted
just
to
really
ask
about
the
the
potential
of
a
templating,
because
you
were
talking
about
templating,
that
was
procedural
versus
now
the
infrastructure
and
whether
the
infrastructure
could
be
extended
to
other
energy
districts
proposed
energy
districts
and
I.
Think
I
had
an
answer
to
my
question,
so
I
just
really
want
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
the
Innovation.
AI
That's
really
being
demonstrated
here
and
I
think
that
you
know
we're
we're
really
killing
two
birds
with
one
stone
here:
ensuring
that
we
can
provide
the
services
that
are
necessary,
obviously
for
energy
heat
and
doing
it
in
in
a
way
that
is
carbon,
neutral
and
I
think
this
is
where
we
need
to
go.
So.
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
Chair.
A
AG
Thank
you
chair
for
the
question,
so
the
dream
development
is
going
to
time
occupancy
of
these
buildings,
so
the
wet
system
needs
to
be
operational
by
the
time
of
occupancy
of
the
the
buildings,
so
the
detailed
design
scope
of
work
will
have
to
be
executed
fairly
quickly
in
order
to
get
this
implemented
to
then
be
able
to
report
back
to
you
on
progress.
So
timelines
are
quite
tight
to
be
able
to
meet
dreams.
Commitments
for
operation,
okay,.
A
We
are
moving
on
to
the
financial
statements
for
in-house
solid
waste
collection,
the
external
audit
review
and
there's
no
speakers
on
this
item.
But
there
is
a
staff,
presentation
and
I
think
this
is
relevant
for
the
committee.
Just
because
there's
going
to
be
some
decision
points
around
these
items
coming
later
on
this
year,
and
so
just
an
important
piece
of
information
as
an
update.
Thanks
for
waiting
again
and
being
here.
B
B
AJ
Thank
you
online
hi,
please,
though,
not
as
sexy
as
what
we've
talked
about
before,
but
still
very
vital
to
everything
that
we
do
so.
Thank
you
for
your
attention.
So,
as
Elena
mentioned,
my
name
is
Shelley
McDonald
I'm,
the
director
of
Solid
Waste
Services
for
the
city
of
Ottawa,
so
Solid
Waste
Services
connects
with
the
majority
of
residents
weekly
through
our
curbside
collection
contracts.
AJ
This
contract
divides
the
city
in
five
zones
serviced
by
two
groups,
so
Miller
Waste
collects
from
zones
one
two
and
four,
so
that's
shown
in
somewhat
beigey
gray,
on
the
graphic,
primarily
in
the
West
Central
and
South
End
of
the
city
and
the
in-house
team
collects
from
zones
three
and
five
shown
in
the
the
teal
bluish
color
on
the
screen
in
the
core
and
the
East
End
of
the
city.
So
these
teams
have
the
responsibility
for
the
collection
of
recyclables,
Organics,
leaf
and
yard
waste
and
garbage
next
slide.
Please.
AJ
So
before
sharing
the
results
for
the
in-house
collections,
audit
I
wanted
to
provide
you
with
a
little
bit
of
background
and
insight
as
to.
Why
do
we
do
these
reports?
The
city's
current
curbside
collection
contract
was
approved
and
awarded
back
in
2011..
This
was
done
through
a
managed
competition
process
that
is
unique
where
the
city
participates
as
a
bidder
on
a
contract,
in
order
to
ensure
that
the
procurement
process
is
transparent,
open
and
fair.
A
fairness,
commissioner,
is
involved.
AJ
Two
zones
were
awarded
to
the
city
through
this
process,
the
in-house
group
Zone
3
and
the
urban
core
and
zone
5
in
the
East
End,
so
through
the
awarding
and
the
approval
process,
Council
directed
staff
to
report
back
annually
on
the
expenditures
for
The
Works
awarded
to
the
city's
owns.
This
requirement
remained
in
place
when
the
three-year
extension
for
curbside
collection
was
approved
back
in
2019..
AJ
Typically,
this
report
is
brought
forward
in
November,
but
because
of
the
municipal
election
last
year,
the
report
was
pushed
to
today.
I
will
be
seeing
you
again
later
this
year
for
the
the
next
review,
which
will
be
the
last
year
of
the
contract.
Next
slide,
please
so
good
news.
There
was
a
surplus
for
the
the
contract
in
both
zones,
so
the
in-house
had
an
operating
surplus
of
1.4
million
in
zone
three
and
over
800
000
in
zone
five
for
a
cumulative
surplus
of
over
2.2
million.
AJ
So
this
Surplus
was
realized
due
to
various
factors.
Staff
used
lessons
learned
from
previous
contract
experience,
When
developing
the
bids
for
the
extension
and
increase
the
bid
price.
Accordingly,
the
contract
extension
included,
replacing
14
aged
garbage
trucks
and
acquiring
five
new
garbage
trucks
to
accommodate
the
growing
zone.
Five.
These
vehicles
were
operational
during
the
second
year
of
the
extension
resulting
in
lower
Fleet,
Maintenance
and
Repair
costs.
AJ
AJ
So,
in
addition
to
providing
the
audited
financial
statements
for
the
in-house
collection
group
staff.
Also
summarize,
service
requests
received
through
311
and
ottawa.ca.
The
in-house
Collections
Group
received
a
weekly
average
of
2.63
requests
for
1
000
households.
The
majority
of
these
requests
were
due
for
were
for
the
replacement
of
the
blue,
black
and
green
bins
and
final
slide.
AJ
A
AK
G
AK
Yeah,
so
the
financial
statements
reflect
how
we're
comparing
to
the
contract
amount,
but
it
fits
into
the
overall
Solid
Waste
Services
budget,
which
is
funded
by
the
garbage
fee.
So
the
revenue
shown
in
the
financial
statements
are
not
related.
It's
just
for
comparison
purposes.
It's
the
garbage
fee
that
actually
recognized
as
Revenue
in
the
city,
financial
statements
and
the
Surplus
that.
A
G
AI
Oh,
thank
you
so
much
chair
and
colleagues
I'm
pleased
to
have
worked
to
advance
a
revised
motion
that
aligns
with
the
ongoing
work
of
staff
on
a
corporate
EB
policy
and
a
personal
EV
strategy.
As
we
know,
as
of
last
year,
up
to
only
five
percent
of
all
vehicles
in
Canada
are
either
fully
electric
or
hybrid
at
that
percentage,
of
course,
is
expected
to
climb
in
the
coming
years
by
2020
by
2030.
AI
One
out
of
three
automobiles
sold
will
be
electric
and
there
are
expected
to
be
over
1
million
EVS
on
the
road
in
Ontario
by
2035.
The
federal
government
will
insist
that
all
new
new
vehicles
in
Canada
will
be
electric
as
electric
vehicles
gain
popularity
it'll
be
important
to
ensure
that
the
city
invests
in
critical
charging
infrastructure
to
be
able
to
help
accommodate
this
technological
shift,
as
well
as
make
a
positive
impact
on
the
environment
and
help
reach
our
gas
emission
targets.
AI
As
this
will
be
a
long-term
transition,
it
will
be
imperative
that
the
city
staff
and
Council
continue
to
review
its
approach
to
electric
vehicles
and
I
believe
that
this
motion
helps
achieve
that.
Helps
talk
about
the
the
fact
that
staff
is
looking
at
charging
stations
that
are
a
part,
a
major
part
of
the
city's
efforts
to
support
the
uptake
of
electric
vehicles
in
Ottawa.
AI
AI
Throughout
the
policy
update
and
strategy
development
process
to
ensure
alignment
of
strategic
priorities
and
identification
of
risks
and
opportunities,
staff
will
also
provide
an
opportunity
for
public
feedback
on
the
personal
EV
strategy
and
consider
Community
priorities
and
staff
will
report
back
in
the
fourth
quarter
of
this
year,
with
recommendations
related
to
to
both
the
corporate
EV
policy
and
the
personal
EV
strategy,
which
will
come
back
to
committee
and
will
ultimately
rise
to
council.
Thank.
I
Right
great
so
I
have
a
mini
visual
presentation
for
your
edification,
just
a
couple
of
visuals
that
I
thought
were
good
to
put
our
eyes
on
so
anyways
I'm
still
Angela
kellehertzog
here
for
cafes,
the
ottawa's
environmental
and
climate
Network.
So
as
you're
quite
aware,
cafes
definitely
wants
climate
action,
however,
and
the
visual
presentation
is
coming
right.
I
I
Do
we
want
a
lot
of
them?
Do
we
want
a
few
of
them
next
slide,
please.
So
this
is
a
picture
of
what
Ottawa
looks
like
from
charge
Hub.
So
this
is,
if
you
have
a
an
EV
you're
coming
into
Ottawa,
you
want
to
see
where
you
can
charge.
These
are
level
two
and
level
three
Chargers
next
slide.
Please
boom!
That's
Montreal!
That's
what
Montreal
looks
like
and
I
I
I've
tried
to
keep
this
scale
similar
on
on
the
two
maps.
So
let's
go
back
to
slide
number
two.
I
So
the
question:
isn't,
though,
how
many
Chargers
is
the
city
of
Ottawa
going
to
be
providing?
The
question
really
should
be
to
make
the
energy
transition?
What
kind
of
outcome
do
we
want
in
terms
of
there
being
sufficient
Chargers?
So
the
question
then,
is
in
terms
of
the
how
to
pay
for
it.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
Ottawa
has
applied
for
all
the
federal
subsidies
and
financing
supports,
including
perhaps
the
infrastructure
bank.
Again,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
procurement
is
competitive
and
that
we
don't
suddenly
get
that
surprise
announcement
about.
I
Oh,
yes,
the
north
south
line
is
going
to
be
diesel
without
any
discussion
which
we've
had
those
kinds
of
surprises
before
we
want
to
make
sure
that
no
Monopoly
supplier
suddenly
gets
their
wedge
in,
but
that
it
is
competitive
in
Ottawa.
We
also
want
to
see
that
we
have
proper
cost
benchmarking,
because
if
suddenly
something
is
costing
a
hundred
three
hundred
five
hundred
thousand
and
we're
finding
out
that.
Well,
it's
because
we're
electrifying
a
building
or
a
Parkade
that
didn't
have
electricity
at
that
emperate.
I
I
Why
not
incentivize
some
other
private
building
new
building,
building
undergoing
reconstruction,
with
a
margin
of
the
cost
and
then
have
the
output
of
chargers
for
users
rather
than
pay
for
the
full
cost
under
some
project,
which
is
insisting
that
we
need
to
have
exactly
so
many
Chargers
fully
paid
in
exactly
this
accessibility
configuration?
So
we
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
maneuvering
and
now
I'd
like
to
go
to
slide
five,
please.
I
AI
AL
AL
We
really
need
to
think
about
what
the
charging
infrastructure
will
look
like
in
the
future,
so
here
I,
look
at
I,
try
to
project
as
to
what
things
will
look
like
in
2040
to
inform
us
as
to
what
we
should
do
between
now
and
2040
right.
So,
if
you
look
at
the
the
bottom
there
by
2040,
we
expect
that
charging
at
home
will
be
as
prevalent
as
block
heaters
were
back
when
I
was
a
kid.
AL
So
when
I
was
a
kid,
every
single
parking
spot
that
someone
had
assigned
to
them
had
a
block
heater
plug
there.
So
we
expect
the
same
thing
will
happen
over
time.
Okay,
so
next
slide,
please,
so
most
people
will
be
able
to
charge
at
home
in
the
future.
However,
meanwhile
we
need
public
charging
for
people.
Don't
have
charging
at
home
at
the
moment.
AL
So
condos
and
others,
but
the
two
main
groups
that
this
will
address
long
term
is,
is
what
we
refer
to
as
garage
orphans,
so
people
who
do
not
have
charging
available
to
them
at
home
or
because
they
don't
have
an
Ascent
parking
space,
and
this
in
Ottawa
happens
to
be
neighborhoods
like
the
Glebe
and
some
some
places
in
Vania
and
other
places
of
the
city
where
we
have
lower
income
people
and
the
other
group
that
this
would.
This
would
Target
is
visitors.
AL
So
right
now
you
saw
Angela
showed
you
some
maps
of
the
number
of
chargers
we
have
in
our
one.
Yes,
we
do
have
a
shortage
of
chargers
to
be
able
to
to
service
the
needs
of
visitors
to
our
city
right,
so
so
garage
orphans
and
visitors
are
likely
to
represent
less
than
the
total
Fleet
again
when
we're
talking
2040.
AL
So
a
lot
of
people
might
be
thinking
that
you
know
this
is
going
to
take
a
huge
amount
of
infrastructure,
but
in
fact
it's
gonna
take
a
lot,
but
not
maybe
as
much
as
people
would
think.
So.
Next
slide,
please
laughs
so
here.
Just
briefly,
just
to
give
you
an
idea:
I
don't
want
to
talk
in
details
about
the
different
levels
but
level
three,
essentially
the
cost
of
implementing
level.
AL
Three
is
about
10
times
the
cost
of
a
level
two
charger
and
the
level
2
charger
is
about
10
times
the
cost
of
a
level
one.
So
the
point
there
is
that
we
shouldn't
neglect
level,
one
in
solutions
that
we
are
looking
at
long
term,
because
for
every
level,
three
charger
that
we
are
deploying
we
could
probably
deploy
about
a
hundred
level.
One
okay,
so
next
slide,
please
so
the
next
slide
I
believe
looks
at
the.
AL
This
is
what
the
Zev
mandate
is
proposed
by
the
federal
government
looks
like
so
by
2030,
60
of
new
vehicles
would
be
electric
and
by
2035
and
Beyond
100
of
new
vehicles.
Now
that
does
not
meet
the
mean
the
fleet
would
all
be
electric.
If
you
go
next
slide,
please
so
I've
got
an
estimate.
There
I
believe
in
that
slide
of
the
numbers,
so
so
bottom
line
is
won't
get
into
the
details
of
all
the
calculations,
but
bottom
line
is
a
a
relatively
back
of
the
envelope.
AL
Calculation
tells
us
that
we'll
need
somewhere
around
thirty
thousand
level,
one
and
level
two
Chargers
public
Chargers.
So
these
are
not
the
ones
you
would
have
at
home
if
you,
if
you
have
a
dedicated
parking
spot,
but
these
are
public
Chargers
and
we
need
somewhere
around
a
thousand
level.
Three
public
charges
also
to
serve
the
community
in
2040.,
so
that's
a
fair
amount
of
infrastructure
to
deploy
so
next
slide.
Please
so
solutions
to
to
consider
here
and
I
really
look
forward
to
talking
more
to
the
city
about
this
to
to
staff.
AL
We
have
had
discussions
in
the
past
about
this
quite
a
few
occasions,
but
again,
Level
One
charging
has
I
believe
has
a
place
there,
and
we
should
look
at
that.
We,
we
really
need
to
provide
support
to
merb,
so
multi-unit
residential
buildings
that
are
trying
to
provide
trading
infrastructure.
The
city
should
find
ways
to
try
to
support
that
as
much
as
possible,
can't
which
countries
can't
wait
so
there.
AL
AL
So
the
the
the
point-
the
more
important
point,
is
the
one
at
the
bottom
there.
So
what
we
have
seen-
and
this
is
something
we
see
with
charges
that
are
free.
So
if
you
provide
free
charging,
there
tends
to
be
some
abuse,
so
we
actually
saw
there
was
one
station
at
the
city
that
was
occupied
by
a
car
all
the
time,
and
so
we
we
think
that
there
should
be
a
token
fee
for
a
level
two
or
level
three
charging
and
there's
also
be
an
idle
fee.
AL
What
you
see
on
the
right
hand,
side
there
is
the
idle
fee
example
from
Tesla's
to
superchargers,
so
they
charge
up
to
a
minute
per
up
to
a
dollar
per
minute.
If
you
exceed
your
charging
timer,
so
if
you're
plugged
in
and
you're
not
charging
after
five
minutes,
or
so
that
you'll
start
paying
a
dollar
per
minute,
so
that
really
intends
people
to
move
away
and
and
leave
the
place,
leave
the
charging
station
available
to
someone
else.
So
that's
that's
it
for
me
today.
Thank
you.
AI
I,
just
really
wanted
to
repeat
my
thanks
for
the
input
that
Ray
has
provided
on
on
this
motion.
It's
much
appreciated
and
I
think
that
there
will
be
a
continuing
opportunity
to
talk
about
price
structures
and
other
important
elements
as
well.
As
you
know,
the
the
necessary
deployment
to
see
and
accommodate
the
the
future
Fleet
that
that
will
emerge
due
to
changing
regulations
and
in
a
changing
industry
in
a
changing
environment.
AL
AM
AM
I
attended
your
public
meeting
on
February
21
2023
and
witness
Mr
Tom
Harris,
who
I
learned
is
the
head
of
the
international
climate
change.
Coalition
Canada
expressed
his
serious
concerns
about
the
city's,
dangerous
and
expensive
climate
and
energy
plan
for
a
non-existent
climate
climate
change
emergency.
AM
Could
the
committee,
please
tell
me
if
you
have
all
studied
the
climate
change
reconsidered
reports
of
the
unbiased
non-governmental
International
Panel
on
climate
change,
that
Mr
Harris
left
with
you
during
the
February
21
meeting
the
committee
meeting?
These
reports
are
important
since
they
show
that
the
climate
emergency
on
which
councilor
King's
motions
and
every
and
the
environmental
stewardship
advisory
committees
report
are
based
on,
does
not
exist.
AM
AM
AM
AM
AI
Just
a
comment,
chair,
I,
do
look
forward
to
reading
a
report.
That
report
is
the
report
released
Yesterday
by
the
intergovernmental
panel
on
climate
change,
which
is
a
body
of
experts
convened
by
the
United
Nations.
My
understanding
is
that
they
worked
seven
years
on
on
that
report.
It
was
multiple
countries,
multiple
scientists
who
contributed
to
it,
and
the
understanding
of
that
report
is
that
the
planet
is
changing.
AI
AI
You
know
we
are
dealing
with
science.
That's
before
us
and
we're
also
dealing
frankly
with
technological
change.
That's
that's
happening
before
us.
We
have
regulations
that
are
saying
that
we
will
be
adopting
new
technologies,
and
so
it's
going
to
be
imperative
for
the
city
to
ensure
that
it
starts
to
make
those
adjustments,
as
the
automobile
industry
also
makes
adjustments.
So
I
look
forward
to
reading
that
report.
AI
A
AC
Thank
you
very
much.
This
emotion
is
simply
just
do
a
report
find
out
all
this
information
right.
So
one
of
the
questions
I
just
want
to
ask
for
staff
is:
do
you
think
this
will
be
a
lengthy
Endeavor,
you're
agreeing
with
this
motion
you're,
you
have
an
estimate
of
how
much
time
it
might
take
you
to
do
this.
AN
AC
AC
V
AC
Okay,
that's
very
clear,
so
my
I
talked
to
counselor
King
ahead
of
time.
My
only
thought
was
to
count
the
emotion
you
had
beforehand:
Hydro
Ottawa,
being
a
member
of
hydro,
Iowa
I
ran
it
by
them
and
they
had
some
changes.
So
now
this
is
a
new
one
that
they
haven't
seen
I'm
wondering.
Would
it
be
okay
if
you
had
them,
look
at
it
before
we
get
to
council?
This
pass
is
here
and
you
could
just
have
a
conversation
with
Bryce
or
Julie.
Absolutely.
J
Thank
you
very
much
Mr
chair
and
thank
you
to
my
Council
colleague
for
for
raising
this.
This
motion
I'm
supportive
of
of
this
motion
as
it's
going
to
go
forward.
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
to
populate
the
grid
downtown
and
across
the
city
with
with
the
resources
that
are
going
to
feed
the
the
need
that
we're
going
to
have
going
forward
for
electric
vehicles
and
certainly
of
the
delegations
I
saw
today
on
this
topic.
J
And
if
we're
looking
at
that
problem,
10
years
out
and
saying
in
2035,
I
think
I
think
one
of
the
delegates
mentioned
that
by
20
I
think
by
2030,
a
third
of
the
EVS
sold,
a
third
of
the
vehicles
would
be
electric
sold
and
by
2035
all
new
vehicles
will
be.
Electric
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
preparing
ourselves
over
the
next
10
to
15
years
to
look
at
this
issue
of
electrification
from
a
broader
City
grid
perspective
and
what
that's
going
to
mean
to
us
so
that
we're
not
caught.
J
J
I,
don't
know
whether
you
know
staff
can
answer
the
function
of
if
that
that
type
of
question
will
be
incorporated
into
that
report
or
or
perhaps,
if
there's
any
other
comment
on
how
we
interface
with
Hydro
Ottawa,
as
we
go
forward
on
this
because
I
think
that's
a
critical
issue
in
terms
of
how
we're
going
to
actually
see
some
form
of
reality
come
from
our
our
ambitious
plan.
Thank
you.
V
Thank
you
for
the
count
of
the
question
counselor
through
you
chair.
We
certainly
recognize
that
there
are
a
number
of
limitations
in
the
electrical
grid
and
the
question
around
what
the
role
of
the
City
versus
the
role
of
not
only
our
local
distributed
distribution
companies
like
Hydro,
Ottawa
and
hydro
one,
but
also
what
the
role
of
the
province
is
in
our
Electro
or
provincial
bulk
electricity
grid
is
important
in
terms
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
with
Hydro
Ottawa.
We
have
a
monthly
meeting
with
them
in
order
to
to
discuss
a
range
of
issues.
V
Separate
from
that,
there
are
also
regular
meetings
which
have
started
with
invari
around
understanding
what
the
what
the
case
is
for
public
charging
and
how
that
will
proceed.
Several
of
those
issues
we
considered
within
the
personal
electric
vehicle
strategy,
but
some
of
them
are
outside
of
the
direct
control
of
the
municipality
itself.
Y
J
What
what
our
ambition
is
with
regard
to
scale
up
or
electrification
and
just
making
sure
that
our
infrastructure
and
resources
meet
that
demand,
and
we
look
at
you
know
how
we're
going
to
get
there
and
I
know
some
of
that's,
perhaps
not
within
the
the
remit
of
our
committee,
but
I
think
certainly
the
second
order
effects
of
it.
We're
going
to
feel
so.
I'll
I'll
ponder
that
and
perhaps
have
maybe
an
inquiry
or
something
prepared
for
you
for
our
next
meeting.
Thank.
A
You,
okay,
thanks
for
that
counselor,
not
seeing
any
more
discussion
hands
up.
So
is
this
motion
carried
hey?
Thank
you
for
that.
I
did
just
want
to
mention
before
we
move
on
there's
a
notice
of
motion,
but
our
last
our
previous
item
on
the
the
tawin
tree,
cutting
I
just
wanted
to
mention
it
to
committee
that
there
was
the
public
discussion
and
Tim
Marks.
A
Provided
me
advice
as
well,
and
our
city
clerk's
office
has
also
mentioned
that
the
direction
that
councilor
Kavanaugh
has
provided
will
rise
to
as
committee
recommendations
to
council
has
originally
drafted,
though
normally
these
would
be
motions
with
the
opportunity
to
amend
them
at
Council
in
consultation
with
legal
services.
So
we're
going
to
include
the
additional
narrative
in
the
minutes
to
extract
on
that
piece
and
just
wanted
to
make
sure
people
were
aware
of
that.
A
That
they'll
still
be
work
on
that
as
it
rises
to
council,
given
the
the
Kavanaugh
Direction,
so
appreciate,
councilor,
Kavanaugh
and
staff
working
through
that
and
getting
us
to
a
better
place
for
in
time
for
City
Council,
okay.
So
moving
on
we're
now
at
I
believe
the
introduction
of
notice
of
motion,
and
that
would
be
over
to
Vice,
chair
Carr.
A
A
Thank
you.
Vice
chair
cars
that'll
be
considered
at
our
our
next
meeting
and
appreciate
your
dedication
there,
along
with
cassia
plant,
who
you
know,
took
part
in
that
and
have
been
working
diligently
with
this
on
with
City
staff
inquiries.
I
believe
we
do
have
an
inquiry
from
counselor
Hill
councilor
Hill.
Is
that
correct.
J
J
Okay,
yeah.
Thank
you.
So,
following
the
discussion
from
the
February
23rd
meeting
of
the
environment
climate
change
committee,
please
consider
the
following
supplemental
questions.
In
addition
to
the
three
building
retrofit
projects,
Municipal
residential
and
Commercial-
are
there
any
other
pilot
programs
that
the
five
million
dollars
allocated
in
the
2023
budget
will
be
spent
on?
J
What
are
the
specific
budgets
for
each
individual
study
or
project
captured
by
the
five
million
dollars,
for
example,
how
much
money
has
been
set
aside
for
the
municipal
residential
pilot
project
and
what
key
performance
indicators
will
be
used
to
measure
the
success
or
failure
of
each
building
retrofit
program
or
any
other
pilot
project
captured
by
the
ccmp
spending?
And
how
will
these
kpis
be
measured?
When
will
these
kpis
and
Associated
data
be
provided
to
committee
and
when
can
Council
expect
to
receive
the
studies
funded
by
the
2023
ccmp
spending?
Thank
you
very
much.