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Finance and Economic Development Committee meeting – October 4, 2016 – Audio Stream
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
A
B
Good
morning,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
flask
members
of
council
to
take
this
seats,
we'll
start
the
meeting
in
one
minute
of
our
mole
sale
event
on
June
minute,
and
if
anyone
would
like
to
speak
to
any
item,
that's
on
the
agenda
if
they
could
fill
out
the
form
under
the
television
screen
and
hand
it
to
the
City
Clerk's
office.
We'd,
be
pleased
to
hear
from
you.
B
Good
morning,
ladies
and
gentleman,
visual
momentum,
this
is
the
Finance
and
Economic
Development
Committee
meeting
for
the
4th
of
October
hula
kept
October.
Do
mid-size
declarations
of
interest
declaration
identity,
confirmation
of
minute
setups
on
the
process
bell
bold
policy
septembre
do
mid-size
for
the
six
of
September
2016
carried
communications
as
presented
legislative
services
that
lecture
on
de
Silva
Solis,
let's
see
if
special
area
levy
and
local
improvement
change,
councillor
Moffett
as
emotion.
So
we'll
come
back
to
that
item.
Two
Corporate
Services
Department,
revised
2017-2018
budget
directions
and
strategy.
We
have
a
delegation.
B
Come
back
to
that
item.
Number
three
status,
update,
Ottawa
2017
from
the
economic
development
innovation
services
received
item
number
four
Westborough
village,
BIA
boundary
adjustment
as
just
loaned
a
limit
villas
owned
MLS
shall
commence
on
the
village,
the
Westborough.
We
have
two
delegations
we'll
come
back
to
that
councillors.
Item
councillor
egg
lie
constituency,
services,
budget,
2017
carried
and
information
previously
distributed
is
all
before
you.
So
we'll
go
back
to
the
first
item.
We
have
delegation
for
revised
2017,
2018
budget
directions
and
strategy,
and
we
have
a
technical
amendment
by
councillor
else
interior.
C
C
You
know
we
are
the
tax
increase
1.75,
but
it's
charging
2%
and
was
basically
mathematic
with
the
commercial
but
I
believe
we
have
a
solution
this
time
and
we're
moving
forward
with
2%
exactly
instead
of
1.75,
so
the
increase
will
be
2%
and
we'll
be
shown
on
a
tax
bill
as
a
2%.
If
you
can
explain
it
to
us,
I
would
really
appreciate.
Certainly.
D
Counsel,
this
all
relates
to
the
new
assessment
numbers
that
have
come
in
that
start,
taking
effect
for
2017
in
the
past
commercial
assessment
that
tax
ratio
was
above
the
provincial
threshold,
because
the
the
taxes
for
residential
had
were
significantly
the
assessment
values
had
increased
significantly
higher
than
they
had
for
commercial.
So
you
basically
increase
the
ratio
on
commercial
to
bring
them
back
to
the
taxes
they
were
paying
before.
With
the
new
assessment
rule,
that's
coming
out,
commercial
actually
is
significantly
ahead
in
terms
of
assessment
increase
in
assessment
values,
then
residential.
D
So
you
will
in
fact
be
doing
the
reverse.
You
will
be
lowering
the
ratio
for
commercial
assuming
that
you
adopt
neutral
ratios
again,
and
you
have
every
year
since
2005
when
they
introduced
them.
So
we've
assumed
you're
going
to
do
that
again,
which
means
commercial
will
now
be
below
the
threshold.
When
you
are
below
the
threshold,
there
is
no
longer
the
requirement
under
provincial
legislation
that
they
can
only
receive
half
of
any
budgetary
increase
so
prior
to
2017.
D
When
you
had
a,
if
you
would
have
had
a
2%
tax
increase,
commercial
would
have
had
1%
only
and
the
difference,
because
they're,
not
paying
2%
they're
paying
1%
would
have
gone
on
to
residential
residential,
would
have
actually
had
a
2.25
percent
increase.
Now
commercial
can
get
the
full
increase
of
2
percent.
That
restriction
will
no
longer
be
in
effect,
for
them,
two
percent
will
be
2%
for
residential
and
for
commercial,
okay,.
C
B
E
It's
getting
a
little
old
that
one
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
for
for
allowing
me
to
speak
today,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
Federation
of
citizens
associations.
Many
of
you
are
familiar
with
the
FCA.
We
represent
some
40
community
associations
from
from
the
world
to
the
in
urban
communities.
We
meet
monthly
and,
needless
to
say,
our
community
associations
are
very
much
interested
in
these
services
that
the
city
provides
and
seeing
that
we're.
E
This
is
a
a
document
dealing
with
the
upcoming
budget,
we're
here
today
to
remind
you
that
we're
engaged
right
now
in
the
process
of
public
consultation.
Your
website
does
speak
to
the
fact
that,
but
there
are
two
because
for
ED
consultation
meetings
going
on
right
up
to
November
9
November
9
is
when
the
presentation
of
the
draft
budget
to
City
Council
for
consideration
is
expected
and
the
works.
We
understand,
therefore,
that
the
participation
of
citizens
in
these
budget
consultations
would
have
some
meaning.
E
Your
public
policy
public
participation
policy
has
nine
principles
ranging
from
inclusive,
authentic,
sharing,
supportive,
accountable,
committed,
meaningful,
responsive,
continuously,
improving
and
facilitating
the
building
capacity
for
collaborative
community
under
meaningful
and
responsive.
It
is
the
your
document
speaks
to
ensuring
consultation
is
meaningful
and
valid,
with
clear
objectives
and
expectations
with
respect
to
the
ability
of
the
public
to
impact
the
decision.
Ensuring
consultation
is
conducted
in
timely
manner,
that's
appropriate
to
the
issue
and
level
of
public
involvement.
Ensuring
that
participants
receive
appropriate
feedback
on
the
impact
of
their
input
is
key
to
making
public
participation
meaningful.
E
So,
in
the
context
of
the
document
that
you
have
before
you
here,
which
is
a
budget
directions
document,
our
expectation
is
that
if
public
consultation
is
to
be
meaningful,
that
the
budgets
and
the
taxes
we've
required
to
support
that
budget
is
not
showing
up
today
or
at
the
next
council
meeting
that
in
fact,
you
do
give
the
public
the
opportunity
to
present
their
views.
There
are
many
different
perspectives
and
needs
out
there.
E
Obviously,
not
all
the
resources
are
available
to
meet
them,
but
we
do
expect
that
the
these
public
consultations
and
the
views
that
are
being
presented
will
be
heard
will
be
considered,
will
be
debated
as
part
of
the
budget
process.
So
our
expectation
is
that,
with
this
document
today,
it
does
not
preclude
that
debate.
It
is
not
shackle
that
debate
because
of
the
limitations
that
are
being
spoken
to
here
and
that's
the
message
from
the
FCA
make
the
public
participation
meaningful
and
we'll
be
happy
to
participate.
F
Thank
you,
I
guess
it
will
end
up
being
as
much
strict
questions
to
staff.
Is
this
the
only
delegation,
I
guess
first
I
would
just
say
thank
you
mr.
:,
it's
his
friends.
That
is
a
that
is
clearly
a
point
that
we
often
hear.
Why
should
we
come
out
to
a
consultation
on
anything
if,
in
fact,
it's
already
being
decided?
So,
in
fact
my
question
would
be
to
staff
then
if
we
could
get
some
clarification
to
what
degree
budget
direction
is.
B
F
What
can
we
get
some
interpretation
or
explanation?
What
the
difference
is
between
our
voting
budget
direction
today
is
versus
locking
it
in
can't
be
changed
or
what
order?
What
is
our
latitude?
Can
you
remind
us
that
our
latitude
is
to
make
changes
and
what
the
process
would
that
be?
Should
we
have
already
voted
this
budget
direction
report
through
so.
D
First
of
all,
I'll
say
you
actually
approved
these
directions
more
than
a
year
ago,
you,
you
have
approved
term
of
Council
budget
directions.
Those
directions
are
really
for
us
for
the
administration,
as
opposed
for
you,
because
that
tells
us
how
we
are
to
build
the
budget,
but
that
doesn't
preclude
city
council
from
deciding
when
they
received
that
budget
to
make
changes
to
it
to
decide
to
either
increase
or
to
decrease
the
tax
levy.
Accordingly,
it's
really
is
so
that
we
don't
present
something
in
front
of
you.
D
That
is
beyond
your
ability
to
actually
control
like
we
used
to
do
in
the
past.
We
could
just
put
everything
in
front
of
you
and
it
would
be
a
ten
percent
tax
increase
and
then
you'd
have
to
weed
your
way
through
to
get
to
the
tax
increase
you
wanted.
We
start
with
a
disciplined
approach.
You
give
us
the
parameters
we
table
it.
Then
you
make
the
decision,
whether
that's
acceptable
or
not.
F
Thank
you
for
that,
and
yes,
I
know
that
we
face
this
dilemma
all
the
time
when
we
go
out
to
budget
consultations,
as
do
we
consult
sorority
that
we're
basically
saying
to
our
constituents
hey
what
would
you
like
to
see
in
this
year's
budget,
and
then
we
get
the
whole
wish
a
wish
list
wish
list
with
no
structure
whatsoever
to
it?
How
about
some
of
this?
How
about
some
of
that
or
do
we
go
with
effectively
a
draft
and
say
here's
the
general
direction
that
we
see?
F
B
G
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
mayor
question
for
the
treasurer
I'm
page
six
of
the
report
with
the
table
one.
It
says:
Taxation
targets
for
2017
2018,
the
police
services,
the
chose
going
from
point
nine
and
2017
down
to
eight
point.
Five
in
2018
can
can
you
confirm
is
eight
point:
nine,
the
normal
number
like
what
we've
been
carrying
each
year
or
is
that
a
special
that.
D
Actually
is
a
special
number
in
2016
we
had
an
additional
4.2
million
in
taxes
that
we
raised,
because
the
assessment
growth
was
a
little
bit
higher
than
we
had
predicted
in
the
budget.
That
money
will
be
allocated
out
to
the
to
the
tax
rates
that
generated
it
in
2017,
which
includes
the
citywide
piece,
transit
and
police.
So
they
have
us
a
little
bit
of
a
bump
up
in
2017.
But
really
the
pro
rata
share
would
have
been
eight
point
five.
D
Without
that
little
bit
of
a
bump
up,
you'll
see,
transit
as
well
is
going
to
be
ten
point
one
in
2017,
and
it
drops
to
nine
point
two
H
in
2018,
so
that
little
bit
of
extra
money
in
2016
is
what's
causing
the
little
bit
of
a
bump
up
just
for
2017.
If
there
is
additional
assessment
gold
once
again,
when
we
do
the
2017
budget
and
if
the
role
was
returned
with
more
on
it,
then
we
anticipate
they
would
have
a
bump
up
again
in
2018
and.
D
C
D
D
B
As
amended,
sorry
carry
also
have
to
be
motion.
First
motion
carried
and
report,
as
amended
carried
okay,
the
next
item,
where
we
have
delegations,
the
Westborough
village,
business
improvement
area,
boundary
adjustment
as
a
small
elemental,
a
zone
damn
you
know,
ahsoka
rest
on
the
wet
village
west
burrow.
We
have
two
delegations,
the
first
is
mo
atella
and
we
welcome
mr.
Rotella
and
you
can't
have
a
seat
at
the
public
delegations
spot
and
push
the
button,
and
you
have
five
minutes.
H
Is
that
here,
okay,
good
morning,
your
worship,
community
members
I'm
here
today
to
object
for
the
expansion
of
the
BIA,
where
it
is
actually
on
Richmond
Road
and
they
want
to
go
down.
Hershel
Scott
McCray
I
have
a
petition
here
of
25
property
owners,
they're
objecting
to
it
true.
But
my
understanding
today
is
that
it's
only
the
launch
of
that
procedure
mind
you
I
had
been
approached
by
some
members
of
WIA
originally,
and
they
told
me
that
they
wanna
go
up.
I
have
a
property.
H
My
concern
is
that
I
have
a
property
on
Byron
and
sure.
So
it's
only
a
parking
lot
and
there
was
an
park,
came
I
was
paying
$2,500
a
year
for
tires,
and
the
impact
came
to
tell
you
that
I
have
to
pay
now
sixteen
thousand
five
hundred
for
for
the
party
and
they
I'm
thinking
if
I
have
to
pay
sixteen
thousand
five
hundred,
which
is
fourteen
thousand
dollars,
five
hundred
increase
and
the
BIA
will
come
in
that
we
mean
extra
money
from
my
pocket
and
I.
H
H
So
we
worship
I'm
finding
I
mean.
Why
are
we
going
back?
The
small
businesses
like
that
on
the
parking
on
snow,
I
told
them
like
old
houses
on
Churchill,
like
all
of
them
are
50
square
like
50
feet,
long
properties?
What
they're
going
to
do,
how
they're
going
to
be
the
entertainment
they
do
before
on
the
park?
You
know
with
the
rotation
of
the
superstore
or
on
Roosevelt
around
that
area,
where
they
have
the
torch.
What
do
we
have
on
Churchill?
We
have
nothing
and
Scot.
H
C
Thank
you,
I.
Thank
you,
Miss
America
more
further,
but
earlier
I
had
a
discussion
with
you
about
this
and
today
just
to
launch
the
expansion,
and
really
your
work
is
not
done
yet.
So
you
still
need
to
go
back
to
the
same
business.
People
who
object
this
to
see
if
they
will
continue
that
when
they
get
the
form
whether
they
want
to
be
part
of
their.
But
my
understand
and
I
spoke
with
counsel,
deeper
I,
don't
know
where
Jeff
is
now
and
also
the
BIA
they're
not
looking
to
collect
more
money
in
this.
C
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
think
they're
saying
they
will
work
with
their
budget.
So
anyway,
that's
wait.
Till
you
see
the
luncheon
like
I
mean
the
application,
and
that
will
give
you
the
opportunity
for
you
and
other
fellow
business
to
whether
they
want
to
be
in
a
BIA
or
they
want
to
object
to
to
be
part
of
the
bay.
So.
C
B
H
C
C
He's
right,
mr.
mayor,
because
once
this
the
expansion
air
they
get
bigger
than
the
current
people,
they
will
pay
less,
because
the
other
will
contribute
too.
So
in
one
business
you
will
benefit
your
pay
less
and
the
other
business.
You
will
have
to
pay
you
now,
but
the
concern
about
the
parking
eyes
explained
to
you.
That's
totally
impact
and
I'm
glad
you're,
appealing
that
so
that
has
nothing
to
do
but
I'm
not
to
assume
if
you
want
to
add
something
yeah.
I
You
very
much
mr.
Marin
Thank
You
mr.
Tolliver
for
coming
this
morning.
Would
you
be
happier
with
the
idea
of
joining
the
BIA?
If
you,
if
there
was
a
I'm,
sorry
I
can't,
would
you
be
happier
with
the
idea
of
joining
the
BIA
if
there
was
more
clear
understanding
the
value
back
to
your
business
for
paying
those
additional
fees?
Oh.
H
Absolutely
I
mean
my
only
concern
that
if
I
have
a
parking,
what
does
the
BIA
for
my
parking
and
if
I
have
like
small
businesses
down
on
Churchill,
where
they
cannot
do
too
much
really,
they
cannot
even
stand
on
the
street.
We
can
we
get
tickets
for
parking
there.
Well,
what's
the
problems,
we'll
barking,
they're,
all
they're
gonna,
do
anything
any
event
on
Churchill
I,
don't
know
what
they
can
do.
H
B
J
Good
morning
your
worship
now
Watson
distinguished
councillors,
city
management
and
staff
and
special
guests,
my
name
is
Mary
thorn
and
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
West,
burrow
village
business
improvement
area.
Joining
me
today
is
part
of
the
delegation
from
West.
Burrow
village
is
one
of
our
board
of
management
directors
and
the
business
planning
and
development
task
force.
Leader,
Rick
Morris
I'd
also
like
to
acknowledge
our
board
of
management
directors
and
members
of
the
Westboro
village
BIA
or
in
the
audience.
J
Today
she
was
Schmidt
owner
of
West,
End,
kids,
Gilbert
Russell,
all
over
your
body,
where
Marianne
Petrella
manager
of
Green
Tree,
eco-fashion
and
Dan
Wang
owner
of
+4
Station
dental.
We
are
here
today
to
present
our
case
for
the
proposed
West
burrow
village,
BIA
boundary
adjustment
West
bear
village,
as
we
all
know,
is
one
of
the
oldest
BIA
s
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
established
in
1979.
It
spans
12
blocks
from
east
to
west
and
has
a
current
membership
today
of
186
businesses,
but
it
hasn't
had
is
a
boundary
expansion
since
2007.
J
Over
the
past
nine
years,
West
burrow
has
seen
unprecedented
growth.
The
boundary
expansion
we
are
advocating
for
today,
however,
is
a
modest
one,
and
Rick
will
address
that
in
his
presentation.
We
are
simply
welcoming
nearby
properties
and
businesses
that
have
organically
grown,
expanded
or
located
to
the
cross
streets
along
this
Richmond
Road
and
its
adjacent
corridors.
J
Increasing
our
membership
will
deepen
and
strengthen
the
westboro
brand,
thus
increasing
the
draw
and
attraction
to
West
burrow
as
a
shopping
and
place
to
do
business
business
district.
This
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
business
improvement
areas
exist
for
businesses
to
collectively
work
together
to
create
and
build
viable
rent
and
prosperous
neighborhoods.
We
want
to
see
that
continue
in
Westborough.
Our
proposed
boundary.
J
Expansion
to
the
north
also
dovetails
well
with
the
city's
official
planned
for
Scott
Street
and
the
coming
of
LRT
into
our
business
district
West,
where
village
BIA
is
a
proud,
W,
LRT
rail
champion,
and
we
are
delighted
to
have
two
station
stops
Westborough
and
Dominion
stations.
You
know
this
business
district.
We
are
also
eager
to
work
with
the
city,
our
current
and
new
perspective
members
to
ensure
a
safe,
clean,
graffiti,
free
and
colorful.
J
Welcome
to
all
those
who
ride
the
rails
to
West
burrow
I
want
to
personally
thank
Rick
and
all
the
members
of
the
board
for
the
countless
hours
that
have
gone
into
us
being
able
to
sit
in
front
of
you
here
today.
This
process
began
almost
a
year
and
a
half
ago
and
has
included
consultation
with
our
existing
members,
our
prospective
members
in
our
community.
We
have
followed
the
process
to
a
letter
and
then
some
ensuring
complete
transparency
and
fairness.
J
We
are
passionate
about
our
business
district
and
we
know
that
the
help
of
the
city
in
all
our
stakeholders,
we
can
ensure
its
continued
and
further
growth
and
success.
Bia
expansions
are
one
of
the
items
in
their
Municipal
Act
toolkit
to
help
us
do
just
that.
I
now
turn
it
over
to
Rick
to
drill
down
and
review
the
specifics
of
a
proposed
BIA
expansion,
good.
A
Morning,
my
name
is
Rick.
Morris
I'll
try
to
squeeze
this
in
two
minutes.
When
the
westboro
BIA
began
working
on
this
expansion
project
back
in
2015,
we
realized
that
we
needed
a
rationale
for
the
areas
to
be
added.
Mary
has
already
spoken
to
the
organic
growth
that
has
occurred
within
the
westboro
neighborhood
I'll
direct
it
to
a
map
that
has
been
passed
around
to
all
of
you.
A
We
decided
to
only
add
properties
with
an
underlying
commercial
zoning,
whether
it's
LC,
local,
commercial,
GM,
general,
mixed
or
TM,
traditional
Main
Street,
which
is
mainly
long
Richmond
Road,
and
you
can
see
it
there
along
Scott
Street.
We
have
not
included
the
granite
curling
club
along
Scott
Street,
it's
al1
a
leisure
zone
and
we
have
not
included
some
of
the
light
industrial
properties
along
Richmond
Road.
The
current
West
Road
BIA
boundary
has
a
land
area
of
just
under
177
thousand
square
metres.
A
That's
on
the
second
map
that
was
distributed
and
and
the
current
BIA
boundary
has
a
total
2016
assessed
value
of
131
million
one
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
two
hundred
dollars.
The
proposed
land
area
is:
seventy
eight
thousand
six
hundred
square
meters.
That's
in
the
light
blue,
it's
about
a
44%
increase
in
the
inland
area
and
it
has
an
estimated
total
2016
assessed
value
of
thirty
five
to
forty
million
dollars,
as
some
of
the
properties
are
new
and
have
not
yet
been
assessed.
A
In
early
March
2016,
we
were
aware
the
Rideau
street
expansion
application,
knowing
that
we
would
follow
their
application.
We
worked
harder
as
a
board
to
obtain
as
much
evidence
to
support
that
we
could.
We
obtained
one
hundred
and
forty
five
letters
from
our
existing
membership
of
one
hundred
and
eighty
six
members
if
you
could
wrap
up,
okay
and
and
and
included
in
those
letters
of
support
from
the
expansion
area,
way
of
farmboy,
alterna
and
and
Ashcroft
convincing
businesses
to
spend
additional
monies
on
the
BIA.
Clearly,
not
a
simple
matter.
A
We
understand
that
not
all
businesses
will
be
in
favor
the
additional
costs
and
would
be
skeptical
about
the
benefits.
Two
more
seconds,
please,
the
BIA
program
throughout
the
city
and
the
province
has
been
extremely
successful.
Dozens
of
BIA
s
exist
as
a
result
of
the
Ontario
Municipal
Act
and
each
one
taxes
itself
for
the
greater
good
of
the
neighborhood
and
our
city
as
a
whole.
We
respectfully
submit
that
this
Westborough
BIA
expansion
abides
by
the
spirit
of
the
Ontario
Municipal
Act.
Thank
you
thank
you.
Can
you
just
explain.
A
B
A
The
the
small
one
on
Edgewood
is
a
little
1500
square,
foot,
post,
World,
War,
two
home,
it's
a
residence
in
a
residential
zone
and
then
the
other
one.
That's
on
tweed
smear
is
a
new
four-story
20
unit
condominium
built
within
the
last
couple
of
years
again
a
residential
zone
residential
use.
We
think
there
are
anomalies
up
there
in
and
that's
why
we're
supposed
to
go
to
Richmond
Plaza.
A
B
Just
following
up
from
mr.
at
Ellis
presentation,
you've
taken
off
light
industrial
on
Scott
Street.
Would
you
consider
taking
off
a
parking
lot
because
I'm
wondering
what
the
rationale
for
taking
the
light
industrial
but
keeping
a
parking
lot
in
as
a
parking
lot,
wouldn't
benefit
from
the
VI.
A
the.
A
B
To
find
some
compromise,
you
have
one
member
of
the
community
that
is
concerned
about
a
parking
lot
being
part
of
a
BIA
I
I
can't
see
how
a
parking
lot
would
benefit
from
a
BIA.
You
I
can
see
how
stores
and
shops
and
restaurants
and
so
on
so
anyways.
That
might
be
something
councilor
leaper
might
want
to
address
on
this
item.
So
council
harder,
please
don't
say
why
then
Kel
sorry
thank.
K
Mr.
mayor,
so
just
a
couple
questions
I,
based
on
the
exchange
with
with
their
counselor
I'll
shantoriya
I,
get
the
benefit
for
your
existing
numbers.
Their
rates
are
gonna,
go
down
because
you're
gonna
add
more
members
I,
like
the
mirror,
I'm
struggling
a
little
bit
with
the
smaller
house,
bound
businesses.
So
to
speak.
The
parking
lots
I'm
not
really
seeing
what
they're
gonna
get
out
of
this,
but
what
the
added
value
is
for
them
for.
J
The
new
members-
well,
they
are
currently
par
in
on
the
fringe
of
our
BIA
and
are
enjoying
the
the
branding
that
we
pay
a
lot
for
in
Westborough.
They
would
become
part
of
that.
Branding
that
would
be
part
of
our
directory
listings
are
parking
maps
online,
all
the
online
stuff
that
we
do
as
well.
The
opportunities
for
partnering
and
sponsorship
then
happens
right
now.
J
They
can
be
part
of
the
activities
that
we
have
as
new
members
on
the
street
banner
along
the
street
street
banners
floral
presents.
Rafidhi
removal
is
huge
down
in
that
Scott
Street,
which
is
right
on
the
WL
RT
line
area
a
lot
of
problem
with
graffiti
and
immediately
they
would
become
part
they
would
plug
into
our
graffiti
removal
program
that
keeps
our
Richmond
Road.
J
Looking
so
great,
as
well
as
the
beautification
program,
we
have
for
Richmond
Road
for
a
flower
flower
show
we
started
the
flowers
back
in
bi
A's
last
year
and
now
I'm
glad
to
see
a
lot
of
bi
is
doing
the
same.
The
other
thing
is
the
advocacy
as
well
I
think
that
with
W
LRT
coming
through,
we
have
a
lot
of
things
to
work
with
the
city
on
and
including
those
members
as
part
of
that
voice,
I
think,
is
an
important
one.
So
there's
there
is
a
lot
of
value.
J
Add
not
only
plugging
into
the
all
the
research
that
has
been
compiled
over
the
last
three
years
when
I
joined
the
BIA.
That
was
the
first
thing
I
did
was
commissioned
a
good,
solid
business
research
study
to
identify
our
trade
area
and
our
customers
and
and
those
members
will
then
have
those
new
members.
We
have
that
information
to
help
make
their
businesses
much
much
more
successful.
So
there's
a
lot
of
value
added,
I'm.
K
A
Because
we
are
not
100%
sure
what
the
assessed
value
is
going
to
be
for
the
expansion
area.
I
can't
give
you
an
exact
number
about
what
we've
been
saying
to
our
members
is
probably
somewhere
around
10
to
15%.
Is
the
dollar
amount
of
a
levy
that
will
draw
from
what
they're
currently
paying
in
2016?
So
they
see
a
15
percent
decrease
in
what
they're
paying
about
a
10
to
15
percent
decrease
is
what
we're
expecting
to
see
so,
just
just
because
see
just
because
the
the
base,
the
tax
yeah.
K
A
K
A
No
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
so
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
either
verbal
or
letters
of
supports
I.
I
quickly
calculated
somewhere
around
17
million
six
hundred
thousand
of
assessed
value,
so
out
of
the
total
35
to
40
million
at
the
expansion
area
would
represent
about
seventeen.
Six
is
while
I
calculated
the
assessed
values
of
those
in
support
represent.
J
K
Not
sure
going
to
answer
my
question,
though
my
question
wasn't
that
the
value
of
the
businesses
or
the
properties,
my
question
is
but
the
nature
of
the
businesses.
So
what
I
asked
was?
Were
you
seen
that
same
level
of
support
from
the
small
mom-and-pop
type
operations
that
are
operating,
that
of
renovated
homes,
for
example,
as
you
are
to
the
farm
boys
and
in
the
Ashcroft's
and
everybody
else,
yeah.
A
You
want
to
know
what
that
represents.
It's
probably
that
it's
prolly
about
six
million
of
that
seventeen
million
in
today's
2016
assessed
value.
It's
probably
about
six
million,
the
small
businesses
we
have
numerous
of
those
the
assessed
value
of
those
it
probably
be
somewhere
in
the
three
hundred
four
hundred
five
hundred
thousand
dollar
assessed
value.
I
can
tell
you
specifically
what
the
parking
lots
assessed.
Value
is.
K
Values
I'm
talking
about
the
nature
of
the
business,
that's
I
don't
want
to
hear,
but
the
value
of
the
property
I
want
to
hear,
but
the
type
of
business
it
is
how
many
employees
they
have
they're
a
small
single
person,
operation,
a
mom-and-pop
operation
as
opposed
to
a
more
commercial
or
branded
thing
like
a
farm
boy
and
I'm,
not
hearing
that
answer.
All
I'm
hearing
was
the
dollars.
K
K
K
These
answering
the
question
but
I'll
move
on
so
because
it
doesn't
seem
like
I'm
going
to
get
an
answer
to
the
question.
The
granite
Club
that
you
referenced.
Sorry,
you
would
you
exempt
at
the
granite
Club,
you
said:
that's
not
a
city
facility.
So
so
is.
Is
it
it's
a
not-for-profit
curling
club,
like
I'm,
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
rationale
is
to
have
exempted
that
but
to
leave
in,
for
example,
the
parking
lot
for.
A
J
K
L
K
L
You
I
get
the
fact
that
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
in
the
area,
especially
since
it's
the
such
a
major
investment
that
all
the
tax
payers
are
putting
into
our
LRT
and
certainly
in
the
stage
two
as
well
but
I,
don't
you
know,
I
have
experience
with
bi
A's
I'm,
not
seeing
their
writing
on
the
wall
here
and,
for
example,
the
the
leisure
Club
that
councilor
angle
I
just
mentioned
it's.
If
it's
not
a
city
facility
and
it
is
making
money
and
it's
going
to
be
making
money,
it's
not
it's!
L
It's
a
private
owner
I
would
think
it's
not
a
not-for-profit.
There's,
no
good
reason
that
you
would
not
put
that
in,
but
there's
a
lot
of
good
reason
why
you
wouldn't
have
a
parking
lot
in
it.
Your
your
your
businesses
benefit
from
the
parking
that
is
there
and
to
include
them
to
me.
That's
like
in
this
all
this
orange
here,
yes
yeah.
So
all
that
you
are
adding
here
is
this
all
residential
I
mean
all
business,
there's,
not
any
residential
in
there.
No.
A
L
A
L
L
I,
don't
recall
ever
be
in
a
position
where
I
don't
think
you're
ready
for
us
to
support
this
I.
Just
that's
my
feeling,
I
think,
there's
more
work
to
be
done
and
I
think
it
needs
to
be
more
inclusive
of
the
people
that
you're
bringing
it
just.
My
my
regard
on
it
I'm
not
saying
that
in
the
future,
wouldn't,
but
I
think
that
it's
it's
too
in
some
respects
is
too
opportunistic
for
what
may
come
as
opposed
to
what's
there
now
and
the
benefit,
and
that
concerns
me.
L
B
M
Thanks
very
much
mr.
mayor,
so
I'd,
first,
first
and
foremost,
I
I
agree
with
both
my
colleagues
on
the
the
points
that
they
raised.
I
want
to
go
back,
though,
to
something
that
mr.
Tallis
said
the
kind
of
piqued
my
interest.
He
said
he
seemed
a
little
unclear
about
the
the
process
from
here.
With
respect
to
the
letters
going
out,
I
mean
the
letters
would
simply
be
if
we
greenlight
this.
The
letters
would
simply
be.
M
You
know
saying
that
the
city
plans
to
allow
this
to
happen
and
provide
your
feedback
go
back
to
the
original
request
or
the
original
letter
provided
by
the
Association.
You
reference
in
your
report,
appendix
a
b
c
d
e,
and
I
think,
f,
and
I
think
the
only
one
we
have
is
a
which
is
the
map.
I
know
the
summary
of
the
the
summary.
M
I
M
Think
you
referenced
them
in
your
in
your
letter,
which
is
fine.
You
know
one
was
the
consultation
process.
You
say
it
was
a
very
fulsome
process
and
that's
appendix
B
and
the
meetings
that
were
held
I
would
just
like
to
read
the
context
of
of
the
actual
meetings.
What
was
that?
What
was
the?
What
were
the
objections
or
support
comments,
express
the
quantitative
stuff
or
the
qualitative
stuff,
not
the
quantum
stuff,
if
we
can
get
a
copy
of
that?
M
N
You
very
much
mr.
mayor
just
following
up
in
this
same
vein
and
I.
Think
it's
my
colleagues
I'm
looking
at
the
consultation
piece
in
the
report,
and
it
says
that
a
third
party
consultant
was
retained
by
the
BIA
to
consult
businesses
within
the
proposed
expansion
area
from
April
to
September
of
the
86
businesses
within
the
proposed
expansion
area.
33
indicated
they're
in
favor,
so
just
over
a
third
indicate
they're
in
favor
11
indicated
they're,
not
in
favor
and
over
half
didn't
reply
or
didn't
respond
at
all,
and
one
tells
me
like
I
know
there.
N
Let
me
just
say
that
I
agree
that
the
is
are
great
and
I.
Think
you
have
a
strong
brand
in
Westborough,
and
I
can
certainly
see
why
you
would
want
to
expand
the
boundaries.
I
agree
with
all
of
that,
but
I
don't
know
that
you've
met
the
test
of
bringing
these
people
in.
You
would
think
that
you
would
want
to
be
in
a
position
bringing
people
in
where
they
would
be
clamoring
to
join
the
BIA
because
of
the
benefits
of
joining
a
BIA
and
I.
Just
don't
see
that
you
have
met
that
test,
yet
we.
N
J
N
Typical
to
us,
we've
had
other
bi
ace
expansions
without
so
much
pushback
from
neighbors.
Maybe
if
I
could
ask
the
word
counselor
question
since
he's
sitting
at
the
table,
do
you
feel
there's
been
enough
consultation,
and
do
you
think
that
your
community,
the
business
community
and
most
for
a
would
benefit
from
you
hosting
a
public
consultation
session
to
kind
of
address
this
Thank.
K
You
councillor
Dee's
I
I,
do
want
to
congratulate
the
the
BIA
on
what
I
think
has
been
a
pretty
rigorous
consultation
process.
You're
not
going
to
hit
everybody
all
the
time,
but
in
the
run-up
to
applying
or
to
bringing
this
motion
forward,
the
the
requests
of
the
city
they've
hit
a
lot
of
people.
We
have
a
fairly
extensive
consultation
period
still
to
come.
I
believe
that
the
deadline
to
put
in
objections
is
something
like
December
22nd,
and
we
do
have
that
opportunity
to
make
sure
that
there
is
considerable,
more
awareness-raising.
K
I've
heard
that
they
are
aware
of
this,
and
the
process
is
such
that
there
will
be
objections
and
we've
outlined
what
the
thresholds
are
in
order
to
be
able
to
accept
this
I
do
have
some
questions
for
staff,
with
respect
to
what
we
might
be
able
to
do
here
today
to
provide
committee
with
more
comfort
but
I
guess
we'll
get
to
that
one.
When
we
get
to
those.
N
Questions
I
mean
because,
when
I'm
hearing
from
my
colleagues
around
the
table
is
discomfort
today
with
moving
forward,
because
what
we're
really
being
asked
to
do
is
trigger
a
bylaw
and
trigger
the
notice
that
it
is
council's
intention
to
pass
a
bylaw
to
alter
the
existing
business
improvement,
boundaries
and
I.
Don't
think
that
we,
as
a
committee
here
today,
are
feeling
comfortable
with
that,
based
on
the
consultation
and
the
results
of
the
consultation
that
have
been
done
so
far.
N
So
I
guess
my
feeling
is:
what
are
we
going
to
do
about
that
and
I'm
I'm
thinking?
Maybe
we
should
table
this
for
now
and
suggest
to
the
word
counselor
that
he
go
and
host
a
consultation
with
their
businesses.
That
would
be
impacted
and
come
back
to
us
and
tell
us
if
you've
met
a
higher
test
of
acceptance
and
if
there's
any
suggestions
in
terms
of
things
like
the
parking
lot
and
the
curling
club
that
should
be
altered
before
we
ultimately
make
a
decision.
So
it
would
you
be
comfortable
with
that.
K
Am
I
think
that
the
the
consultation
process
today
has
been
fairly
rich
and
I
think
the
fact
that
mr.
Rotella
is
coming
to
the
table
with
25
objections
in
his
pocket
already
speaks
to
the
level
of
awareness
around
us,
but
there
are
clearly
scenarios
where
merchants
are
are
still
wondering.
What
is
the
process
ahead?
We
don't
know
that
we've
reached
all
the
merchants
and
I'd
be
very
pleased
to
facilitate
a
conversation
among
the
affected
affected
merchants.
Moving
forward.
Okay,.
O
J
I
So
my
question
is:
if
this
is
gonna,
be
a
net
zero
change
in
terms
of
your
revenue,
how
are
you
going
to
expand
the
service
offering
to
all
these
new
properties?
You
talked
about
how
you're
gonna
do
more
graffiti
and
the
area
that
you're
adding
is
graffiti
prone.
You
talked
about
adding
planters,
you
talked
about
adding
banners.
How
are
you
gonna
do
that?
If
you
have
no
more
new
money,
we're
expecting
the
budget
to
increase?
That's.
A
I
A
J
A
J
I
F
Thank
you,
I've
not
quite
take
a
position
on
this
yet
I'm,
looking
to
see
what
sort
of
motions
come
forward
and
how
that,
where
the
word
counselor
lands
on
this
I
guess,
I
would
just
make
a
comment
as
as
as
a
ward
councillor
and
therefore
a
board
member
of
the
Glebe
EIA,
which
all
of
our
mutual
service
I
think
show
are
the
most
direct
competitors,
the
most
comparable
with
each
other.
One
side
of
me
would
like
to
say
anything:
I
knew
to
weaken
the
you
know.
F
Competitor
would
be
useful,
but
on
occasion
I
try
to
be
a
city.
Councillor
and
I
recognize.
There's
real
challenges.
We've
seen
this
both
with
the
Glee
BIA
in
terms
of
new
membership,
but
also
especially
when
I
was
part
of
an
initiative
a
couple
of
years
ago
to
get
an
old
Ottawa,
South
BIA
launched,
and
we
run
into
a
real
problem.
This
whole
concept
of
BIA,
of
getting
businesses
and
property
holders
owners
to
understand
what
the
value
is
to
them.
They
see
the
so-called
tax.
F
Often,
that
word
is
used.
Inaccurate
might
be
the
levy,
but
there's
a
real
convincing
needed
for,
for
the
benefits
of
being
members
we
found
was
when
we
went
out
with
the
soft-sell
with
a
really
informative
education
campaign.
We
got
the
vast
majority
of
potential
members
in
support,
so
we
then
prepared
we
went
through
the
formal
process
to
the
point
of
going
out.
We
were
almost
at
that
final
hurdle
and
in
the
very
last
minute
it
got
scuttled.
F
This
is
in
old,
Ottawa
South
by
the
fear
of
the
cost
to
us,
and
what's
it
going
to
do
for
us,
so
in
a
sense,
what
I'm
hearing
is
objections
are
familiar
to
a
parking
lot
owner
as
an
example.
What's
the
benefit?
Well,
if
you're
a
parking
lot
owner
in
in
in
a
BIA,
that's
doing
really
well
and
is
expanding
and
doing
even
better
or
the
benefit
is
you're.
You've
got
more
customers
more
paying
customers
to
your
parking
lot
and
the
same
applies
also.
F
If
you
will
the
challenge
of
getting
them
to
want
to
come
on
board
and
to
see
the
benefits
being
significant
enough,
so
I
am
going
to
wait
to
see
what's
coming
forward
on
this
heavily
I
wasn't
just
filibustering
here,
but
maybe
a
whether
I
can
support
it
at
this
time.
It
is
clear
to
me
that
it's
not
a
really
positive
case
at
this
point
and
I'm
not
therefore
not
inclined
to
support
right
now.
Okay,.
L
Thing
that
the
motion
is
more
of
a
tabling
motion
than
a
deferral
motion,
because
the
Ferol
motion
has
a
time
it's
time-sensitive
and
it
comes
back
in
a
certain
time
frame.
If
you
will
so,
the
taping
is
better
I.
Just
don't
think
that
I'm
ready
to
punt
the
ball
to
allow
the
counselor
to
go
to
encourage
the
counselor
to
go
and
have
a
discussion
with
people
that,
quite
frankly,
are
not
going
to
be
engaged
in
the
process
because
they
will
be
future
businesses
someday
and
I.
L
Think
by
setting
it
up
this
way,
there's
a
great
opportunity
in
this
area.
I
think
that
there's
more
work
that
needs
to
be
done.
I
think
there
has
to
be
different
consideration,
as
councilor
blaze
said,
rather
than
on
solely
the
the
the
issue
of
zoning
and
so
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
support
today.
That
doesn't
mean
I'm
not
going
to
support
next
year
and
I'm.
L
D
may
change,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
will
change
the
Confederation
Line
is
going
to
change
it's
going
to
be
a
massive
change
and
with
it's
going
to
come
up
or
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
people
that
are
going
to
be
part
of
that
change
and
benefiting
a
Westborough
are
cognizant
of.
What's
going
on
today
and
and
I,
don't
and
I,
don't
think
that
that's
the
playing
field,
we
have
Thank
You
mr.
mayor.
L
N
Will
say
table
so
that
under
number
four
be
tabled
and
that
the
ward
councillor
host
a
public
consultation
with
the
goal
of
making
necessary
changes
to
ultimately
enhance
acceptance
of
the
boundary
expansion.
So
this
would
give
them
if
I
could
just
speak
to
flee.
This
would
give
them
the
opportunity
to
take
away
what
you
heard
here
today
that
there's
concern
around
this
table
that
there
isn't
enough
public
acceptance
that
there
seems
to
be
some
decisions
that
you've
made
in
terms
of
who's
in
and
who's
out,
that
this
committee
isn't
entirely
comfortable
with.
N
L
A
table
in
motion-
and
so
my
comment
on
that
is
I,
say
I
could
support
a
tabling
motion,
but
not
with
the
piece
that
says
the
warbound
of
the
ward
councillor
goes
out
and
has
an
accession.
That's
not
going
to
give
you
the
people
that
were
including
in
a
large
way
in
here
the
future
businesses
so
that
they
have
a
say.
So
what
I'm
suggesting
is
that
we
table
it?
N
L
B
Well,
I
think
a
counselor.
Maybe
let
me
just
read
it
because
I
think
you
might
be
missing
something
here.
Councillor
Dean's
is
as
except
at
the
tabling
which
I
think
there
seems
to
be
some
general
consensus.
We
don't
want
to
kill
this
out
right
because
I
think
there's
some
merit
and
looking
at
this
objectively
but
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
the
ward
councillor
who's.
B
Also
a
member
of
the
board
of
the
BIA
leading
the
charge
on
on
and
making
sure
that
you
know
we
understand
that
he
will
reach
out
to
all
of
the
non
BIA
members
as
well
as
the
BIA
members.
So
all
of
them
are
in
the
same
room,
otherwise
I'm
not
sure
who
else
would
hold
the
consultation,
yeah
I
think
it
makes
him
and
I
think
councillor
Dean's
has
put
in
here
to
deal
with
your
concern
goal
of
making
necessary
changes
ultimately
to
enhance
the
acceptance
of
the
boundaries.
So
the
whole
purpose
is
and
okay.
L
L
Well,
we
checked,
and
now
it's
and
it's
the
same
thing
I
think
it's
larger
than
that
and
I
think
that
it's
really
important
that
we
get
it
right
because
of
the
as
much
as
success
as
Westborough
is
today.
The
opportunity
for
its
future
is
phenomenal
and
I.
Think
that
that's
one
of
the
reasons
to
why
we're
all
kind
of
hesitant
on
what
that
looks
like
well.
B
K
K
Those
of
us
that
are
concerned
about
the
proposal-
it's
not
so
much
about
mr.
Tallis
parking
lot,
though
that's
a
an
example.
If
you
will
but
I
think
councilor
blaze
said
it
best.
It's
the
underlying
principle
that
this
is
being
based
on
zoning
as
opposed
to
actual
use.
So,
if
I'm
going
to
support
this
motion,
I
want
some
commitment
or
some
wording
in
the
motion
that
says
that
the
underlying
principle
of
your
expansion
will
also
be
Kat
and
reviewed
as
to
whether
that's
the
appropriate
direction
to
go.
That's
what
that's!
What
I'm
looking
for?
K
It's,
not
just
about
one
property
or
parking
watering
else,
I
think
our
uneasiness
is.
This
decision
will
be
made
for
people
who
aren't
actually
operating
businesses
today
and
all
of
a
sudden
you're
going
to
be
in
the
BIA
whether
you
want
to
be
in
the
BIA
or
not
so
I,
don't
know
what
you
can
say
to
me
and
my
colleagues
that
will
give
us
some
comfort
or
some
wording
staff
might
normally
mr.
Schmitt
might
be
able
to
suggest
some
wording
that
we'll
get
across
the
idea
that
it's
not
just
about
having
a
consultation.
K
It's
not
just
about
talking
about
the
objectors,
but
it's
also
about
looking
at
the
underlying
principle
that
the
BIA
has
brought
to
us
as
to
why
or
how
they're
going
to
go
forward.
A
lot
of
concern
is
catching
people
that
are
actually
are
not
going
to
have
a
say
in
in
the
process.
Okay,
so
counselor.
B
K
So
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
today
and
I
agree
with
it
is
that
the
the
committee
would
not
be
comfortable
with
a
BIA
expansion,
that
is
a
fishing
trip
or
that
is
seeking
to
a
speculatively
increase
its
boundaries
that
the
BIA
boundaries
should
reflect
when
it's
actually
the
the
business
area.
The
business
district
operating
today
I
will
take
that
to
heart
and
I
will
make
that
my
principle
moving
forward
and.
B
K
I
do
appreciate
councilor
leapers
comments
in
that
word.
I
just
I
just
wanted
him
to
understand,
and
the
VI
understand
what
an
underlying
concern
is.
It
isn't
just
because
mo
showed
up
and
said:
I,
don't
like
it
as
much
as
we
all
like.
No,
it's
it's
it's
bigger
than
that.
It's
it's
the
underlying
principle
that
that
fed
your
study,
if
you
will
so
I,
think
I
think
councillor
Weaver's
got
that
and
acknowledged
that
and
and
we'll
work
with
that
going
forward
before
before
we
see
you
again
so
I
appreciate
that.
B
As
since
we
have
a
replacement
motion
from
councillor
Dean's
that
item
for
be
tabled
and
the
award
councillor
host
a
public
consultation,
the
goal
are
making
necessary
changes
to
ultimately
enhance
acceptance
of
the
boundary
expansion,
in
addition
to
other
consultation
as
required
carried.
Okay
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
We'll
go
back
to
item
number
one
because
in
the
one
person
has
come
forward
to
speak
to
the
special
area
levy
and
local
improvement
charge
motion
I'll
ask
councilor
Moffitt
first
to
read
his
motion,
so
people
know
what
it
is
and
then
speaking
I
believe
in
opposition
to
it
is
Nancy
Wilson.
So
mr.
councillor
Moffat,
if
you'd
like
to
read
the
motion
for
everyone.
Q
Where
possible
and
report
back
to
the
committee
with
their
recommendation
and
by
q2
2017,
the
the
reality
is,
if
you
look
at
some
of
the
most
recent
utilizations
of
special
area
levies
under
your
local
improvement
process,
they
still
could
have
done
it
the
same
way.
You
can
still
come
to
council,
you
don't
always
have
to
go
to
the
community
with
the
2/3
on
a
little
improvement
Church.
The
difference
is,
if
it's
approved
by
council
there's
actually
an
appeal
process,
you
can
bring
it
to
the
OMB.
Q
You
can
actually
have
a
say
and
right
now
the
special
area
levy
is
approved
by
council
implemented
and
that's
it.
There
needs
to
be
more
public
process
when
it
comes
to
special
area
levies.
This
direct
staff
to
go
away
to
look
at
this
to
look
at
local
improvements
and
special
levies
bring
for
a
recommended
process
for
slope
for
special
area
levies.
That
looks
that
takes
away
from
a
little
improvement
process
and
then
just
come
back
to
Council
in
a
second
in
the
second
quarter
of
next
year,
with
their
recommended
process.
Okay,.
B
O
I'm
representing
the
city
of
Community
Association,
and
we
oppose
this
motion.
We
live
in
a
democratic
society
whose
society
will
Ex
our
prime
minister,
our
provincial
representatives
and
you,
the
City
Council,
with
a
democratic
vote.
If
the
municipal
elections
were
held
to
the
same
accountability
level,
the
councillor
Moffitt
is
proposing.
Few
people
would
be
elected
to
define
democracy
as
government,
but
by
the
more
or
equal
to
51%
of
society
of
community.
A
system
of
government
in
which
power
is
vested
in
the
people
who
rule
either
directly
or
through
fully
elected
representatives.
O
I
hold
up
the
recent
results
of
the
British
referendum
to
move
the
European
Union
as
evidence
of
50
plus
a
percent
plus
one
vote
should
be
considered
legitimate
in
Ottawa
councils
eyes.
This
motion
will
affect
community
initiatives.
Many
community
initiatives
do
not
result
in
costing
the
city
money,
but
communities
to
serious
issues
and
engaging
residents
and
democracy.
An
example
is
a
traumatic
mosquito
spring
cost
community.
This
cost
the
community
only
$14
more
a
year.
It's
something
that
they
wanted
and
brought
in
with
their
democracy.
Things
should
move
forward.
50%,
plus
one
vote
her
agreement.
O
Our
question
is:
why
are
you
trying
to
change
a
democratic
rights?
This
would
do
nothing
but
add
much
confusion
and
things
at
a
community
level
might
never
be
allowed
or
move
forward
and
end
on
a
positive
at
with
the
positive
outcomes
for
our
communities.
This
is
what
I
really
City
View
Community
Association
that
are
opposed
to
this
motion.
L
Find
it
interesting
that
and
you're
from
city
view
yeah,
we
didn't
hear
that
so
any
we
found
out.
So
that's
I
find
it
interesting,
though
you're
talking
about
the
democratic
right
when
actually
what
councillor
Moffat
has
suggesting
actually
gives
you
that
democratic
right
it
gives
everybody
the
same
right,
but.
Q
L
Q
When
it
comes
to
something
like
a
local
improvement
charge,
there
are
three
criteria:
one
of
them
happens
to
be
two-thirds
majority.
There
are
other
processes
where
you
actually
could
still
do
what
councillor
Wilkinson
did
in
kadai
north,
which
actually
had
less
than
twenty
percent
support
of
the
residents.
So
that's
not
fifty
percent
either.
You
could
still
go
that
way.
The
difference
is,
it
gives
an
avenue
for
Appeals
so
that
20%
can't
dictate
to
the
other
eighty.
Q
What
they're
going
to
pay
for
the
eighty
percent
actually
has
an
opportunity
to
appeal
that
process
under
special
area
levies.
You
do
not
have
that
this
doesn't
try
to
make
something
undemocratic.
It
makes
it
more
democratic
right
now
the
special
area
levy
can
be
done
by
one
person
and
one
person
only,
but
that's
that's
not
democratic.
Q
The
councillor
brings
forward
something
as
special
or
levy.
Okay.
All
you
have
to
do
under
the
current
process
is
bring
it
to
committee
and
council
for
approval.
It
doesn't
matter.
If
there's,
if
there's
opposition,
okay,
they
can
still
do
that
and
then
it's
up
to
the
council
vote,
but
ultimately
that's
how
the
process
is
there.
O
C
O
Q
The
process
was
specifically
the
same
as
special
Olevia,
so
as
local
agreements,
then
yes,
your
counselor
could
comes
committee
and
council
still
bring
something
forward.
The
same
especially
levy
the
difference
is,
there
would
be
an
avenue
for
appeal
which
doesn't
exist
today.
That's
a
democratic
process.
Okay,.
O
Q
I
have
not
developed
a
process
yet
the
motion
direct
staff
to
develop
a
process,
but
if
the
process
was
the
same
as
local
improvements,
I
said
this,
but
three
times
already,
but
you
could
still
come
to
council
with
your
counselor.
The
only
difference
would
be
that
it
could
be
appealed.
That's
it
okay!
Thank
you.
Hey.
D
B
C
Think
would
hear
from
my
colleague
back
and
forth.
Special
levee
and
I
know
come
soon.
You
had
your
hand
up,
can
ask
staff
to
explain
something.
Okay,
so
council
person
wants
to
speak
with
okay,
Thank
You
council
works.
My
question
to
staff
is:
can
you
outline
the
difference
between
special
levee
and
local
improvement.
N
I
also
agree
with
this
motion,
but
probably
for
a
little
bit
different
reason
than
most
to
me.
The
reason
I
agree
with
it
is:
if
you
look
to
our
southern
neighbors
in
the
US,
you
will
see
that
special
levy
areas
have
grown
exponentially,
they're
everywhere
and
they're
being
they're
replacing
taxes
in
many
places.
So,
instead
of
taxes
going
up
special
area
levies
go
up
and
they're
becoming
very
commonplace.
I
don't
want
that
to
happen
here.
N
I
want
the
test
to
be
higher
because
I
believe
special
area
levies
create
haves
and
have-nots
communities
and
that
the
poor
communities
will
never
have
the
things
that
the
richer
communities
have
because
of
special
area
levies
that
are
really
just
another
tax
and
but
they're
there.
So
for
that
reason,
I
totally
agree
with
councilor.
Moffitt
will
support
this.
P
You
mr.
chair
I
have
no
objection
to
having
a
process.
I
would
have
loved
a
pattern
when
I
was
doing
the
mesquita
one,
because
I
had
to
create
a
process
and
I
created
a
process
that
contacted
every
single
household.
Now,
not
everyone
wants
to
run
vote.
They
didn't
all
vote
for
their
own
vote
in
elections
I
there
there's
some
municipalities
that
only
have
20%
voting
is
it.
The
number
of
people
have
the
opportunity
and
by
tying
it
to
the
local
Improvement
Act,
which
is
therefore
it's
for
physical
types
of
developments.
P
It's
not
for
it's
called
Capital.
This
is
not
a
capital
one.
In
most
cases,
I
think
I
would
like
to
see
the
motion
change
to
be
that
staff
develop
a
process
without
linking
it
to
anything
else,
because
the
local
there
two
or
two
different
acts
for
a
reason,
the
local
proven
act,
is
very
specific
on
what
kinds
of
things
and
how
its
judged
and
has
to
be
done
by
engineers
and
all
the
rest
of
it.
P
The
special
levy
is
something
that
is
more
community
focused
and
it
needs
the
process
and
it's
a
good
process
that
makes
people
are
contacted.
People
don't
always
pay
attention
with
their
contact
that
you
have,
you
know.
Are
people
going
to
vote
that
don't
even
know
where
the
candidates
are
even
we've
had
campaigns
and
signs
all
over
the
place,
but
you
can't
make
this
thing.
You
take
a
horse
to
water,
but
you
can't
make
them
drink.
Everybody
in
my
community
was
contacted.
I
had
many
public
meetings,
I
wrote
about
it
in
paper.
P
In
the
things
we
sent
out
to
every
household
everything
and
some
people
said
they
didn't
know
about
it.
That
will
happen,
but
if
we
have
a
process
at
least
we
can
lay
out
how
to
do
it.
So
I
agree
with
councillor
Malik.
We
need
a
process.
I
disagree
strongly
that
if
she
based
on
the
local
improvement
I
think
should
based
be
based
on
the
specialists,
F
levee
legislation,
as
which
is
own
standalone
one,
because
the
two
are
entirely
different
and
whether
the
PDA
appeal
or
not,
we
don't
appeal
be
raised.
P
We
do
a
budget
for
the
city,
it's
not
appealable
to
the
OMB,
all
right
as
long
as
council
has
approved
it,
and
if
they
have
a
good
type
of
a
process
that
the
council
that
is
comfortable
in
approving
it,
and
if
the
process
is
not
as
lacks,
then
you
won't
approve
it.
Then
I
don't
see
why
we
have
to
have
that
in
there
there
are
very
specific
things
for
Appeals:
I
went
to
affects
people's
personal
property.
These
ones
don't
affect
people's
personal
properties.
P
P
I
could
do
it
at
full
council,
but
I
would
prefer
to
have
it
down
here.
I
think
it
should
be
a
more
generic
motion
and
the
council
staff
can
look
at
local
improvement.
They
can
look
at
other
things
and
they
could
nor
other
things
said:
I
don't
want
to
try
their
hands,
so
it
asks
if
somebody
on
counselor.
B
I
I
It's
good
that
we're
talking
about
it
because
the
it
is
a
serious
business
and
I
it's
not
as
if
councillor
Moffat
the
councillor
just
willy-nilly,
imposes
attacks.
I
have
the
utmost
respect
for
the
taxes
that
are
imposed
on
the
community
and
it
is
important,
as
councillor
Wilkinson
said,
to
distinguish
between
local
improvement
charges
and
special
area
levies.
They
are
used
very
differently
and
and
also
want
to
be
emphasized.
As
was
said,
the
the
the
special
area
levee
has
to
be
accepted
by
committee
has
to
be
accepted
by
council.
I
In
my
case,
you
know
it's
it's
an
issue
that
I
ran
on
explicitly
in
2014
it
and
its
funding
ads
in
the
newspapers,
consulting
with
community
associations,
Flyers
meetings
to
make
sure
that
that
everyone
was
aware
of
the
process
and
my
intentions
in
imposing
a
special
area
levee
on
to
accomplish
a
project.
I
understand
what
councillor
Dean's
is
saying
in
terms
of
this.
Replacing
taxes
and
and
I
have
I
understand
that
I.
I
Disagree
that
it's
a
have
and
have-not
issue,
but,
but
it
is
the
funding
of
our
recreational
facilities-
are,
is
an
issue
that
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
deal
with.
So
all
that
to
say
I
agree
that
a
process
is
important.
A
formal
process
is
important,
but
trusting
the
local
councillor
to
know
his
his
or
her
community
to
take
responsibility
again.
I
This
is
a
transparent,
direct
form
of
funding
that
has
direct
benefits
to
a
community,
so
I
would
in
closing
agree
to
if,
if,
if
this
community
would
see
fit
to
remove
the
in
the
there
fors
special
area
levy,
removing
using
the
criteria
set
out
in
the
local
improvement
charges
process
where
possible,
just
that
sentence
would
would
would
make
this
motion
much
better
Thank
You
mr.
mayor.
B
Thank
you
I
think
they
I
don't
counselor
cherish.
Echo
wants
to
speak,
but
I
think
you,
you
and
your
predecessor,
councillor
Hume,
set
a
very
good
gold
standard
in
terms
of
that
consultation.
But
the
challenge
I
think
councillor
Moffat
is
dealing
with
is
not
every
counselor
would
necessarily
follow
that
depth
of
consultation
to
get
a
real
sense
of
support
for
the
for
the
initiative.
So
I
think
it's
trying
to
bring
some
level
playing
field
to
to
what
goes
into
making
that
final
decision.
So
I
appreciate
your
your
input.
So
councillor
mishchenko
has
the
floor.
B
F
F
What
specifically
in
front
of
us,
I
I
find
very
interesting
because
I'm
looking
ahead
in
the
coming
year
to
possibly
raising
money
for
a
significant
community
project
using
one
of
these
two
and
frankly,
at
the
moment,
I,
don't
understand
them
well
enough
to
know
which
one
I'm
going
to
be
using
so
I
would
benefit.
The
community
would
benefit
from
understanding
better.
What's
the
difference
between
them,
should
they
have
the
same
rules?
I
do
have
one
particular
concern
which
is
e,
o
and
B
appeal.
I,
don't
think
I
want
to
go
further
down.
F
F
So,
unless
he's
changed
his
mind,
I
would
put
forward
as
a
motion
that
this
be
done
exactly
as
set
out
by
councilor
Moffitt,
but
with
that
line
tying
it
to
the
local
improvement
charge
process
that,
in
a
sense,
staff
come
forward
with
us
to
us
with
recommendations
on
a
special
area
levy
process,
but
that
that
not
be
necessarily
made
as
identical
as
possible
to
the
to
the
local
improvement
charge
process.
Okay,.
F
L
You,
mr.
mayor
and
I'm
not
going
to
be
supporting
that,
and-
and
you
know
and
and
having
said
that,
I
mean
there's
over
the
years
there
have
been
people
elected
people
that
have
used
the
process
that
there's
this
purely
their
right
to
do
so.
So
this
isn't
about
anything
that
has
gone
on
in
the
past
that
any
counselor
has
decided.
But
when
it
comes
to
spending
the
taxpayers
money,
you
need
to
have
a
process
that
defends
their
dollar.
L
If
you
really
really
really
wanted
something
and
you're
not
going
to
have
to
defend
that
as
other
counselors
have
and
who
have
gone,
the
way
of
the
special
levy,
then,
what's
to
stop
you
from
putting
something
in
place
with
really
no
parameters
at
all,
we
need
to
have
a
process
that
defends
the
taxpayer.
The
special
levy,
the
local
improvement
charge.
Does
that
I'm
not
worried
about
the
number
of
appeals
were
going
to
have
councilor,
Moffitt
and
I
were
on
what
was
the
name
of
that
committee
of
revision?
L
Okay,
which
was
exactly
about
local
improvement
charge
as
I
was
the
chair
and
he
was
on
with
councilor
Qadri.
Perhaps
okay,
we
heard
from
the
public.
It
was
a
process.
We
had
lots
of
people
come
out
and
say:
wait
a
minute!
I!
Don't
want
you
to
do
that
to
me,
so
we
had
a
post,
that's
that
even
allowed
them
when
they
made
that
decision
which
still
allowed
us
to
go
ahead
with
a
special
levy
with
am
local
improvement
charge.
But
there
was
the
ability
for
people
to
opt
out
in
certain
circumstances
without
that
process.
L
G
You
mister
man,
I
just
want
to
clarify
something
here.
I
read
the
report
for
council
Moffitt's
motion
the
way
I'm
interpreting
this
is.
We
are
asking
staff
to
go
away,
look
at
the
two
processes
and
come
back
with
a
report
for
us
that
we
will
then
debate
at
that
time,
whether
they're
suits
our
purposes
and
and
for
today
and
for
tomorrow,
so
I'm
a
little
curious
about
why
we're
so
worried
about
this
motion,
if
at
all,
it's
asking
for
is
a
report
so
I'm
seeking
some
clarification
here
on
the
process.
B
F
Haven't
received
it
back
yet,
but
it
is,
it
is
essentially
I
mean
to
councillor
Hugh
Billy's
point
it's
the
time.
I,
absolutely
love
the
idea
of
staff
coming
back
with
recommendations
on
a
better
process
for
the
special
area
levy.
It's
the
line
that
says
using
the
criteria
set
out
in
the
local
improvement
charge
process.
So.
B
That's
because
I
think
we
spent
a
fair
amount
of
time
on
this.
Why
don't
we
just
call
yeas
and
nays
on
councilor
Qian,
ischenko
removal
of
the
words
using
the
criteria
set
out
and
the
local
improvement
charge
process
where
possible.
So
this
is
an
essence.
The
Wilkinson
motion
moved
by
Councillor
trynozhenko,
so
yeas
and
nays
Kausalya.
I
F
G
B
K
B
So
the
quite
the
inquiries
does
the
City
of
Ottawa
currently
purchase
to
require
the
purchasing
of
fairly
traded,
teas,
coffees
or
sugars
to
serve
at
its
facilities,
if
not
one
of
the
implications
of
substituting
these
products
for
fairly
trade
at
once.
This
is
an
inquiry.
Okay,
any
other
inquiries.