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Finance and Corporate Services Commitee — 2023/09/05
Date: Tuesday, September 5, 2023
Location: Champlain Room, 110 Laurier Avenue West, and by electronic participation
A
C
Good
morning,
everyone
bonjour
timond
good
afternoon,
As
We
Begin
our
meeting
today
and
on
behalf
of
Ottawa
city
council
I,
wish
to
acknowledge
that
Ottawa
is
built
on
unseated
anishinaabe,
Algonquin
territory.
The
peoples
of
the
anishinaabe
Algonquin
Nation,
have
lived
on
this
territory
for
millennia,
their
culture
and
presence
have
nurtured
and
continue
to
nurture
this
land.
The
city
of
Ottawa
honors,
the
peoples
and
land
of
the
anishinaabe
Algonquin
nation
and
honors
all
First
Nations,
Inuit
and
metis
peoples
and
their
valuable
past
and
present
contributions
to
this
land.
E
C
You
are
there
any
Declarations
of
Interest
all
right
confirmation
of
minutes.
First,
the
committee
minutes
from
July,
the
4th
are
those
approved
carried
and
then
from
the
confidential
minutes.
Also
on
July,
the
4th
is
that
carried
carried
all
right.
Let's
move
to
item
four
on
the
agenda:
finance
and
Corporate
Services.
C
We
have
items
4.1
the
2023
tax
rate
operating
and
capital
budget,
Q2
status
and
4.2
the
proposed
2024
budget
directions,
timeline
and
consultation
process,
so
we're
going
to
have
a
presentation
on
both
those
items
at
the
same
time,
and
then
we
will
have
delegations
on
the
second
item
and
then
questions
on
both
that's
all
right
with
everyone.
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
zero
for
a
presentation
this
morning
go
ahead.
C
Oh,
oh
right,
sorry,
what's
that
we
we
have
turned
the
air
conditioning
on
okay.
We
can
sorry
I,
wasn't
thinking
about
the
other
items.
So,
let's
we
can.
We
can
move
through
a
few
of
these
items
without
and
then
come
back
to
those.
So
4.3
is
the
Ottawa
Community
ice
Partners
loan
guarantee
is
that
carried.
C
Item
5.1
is
the
Canada
Central
Business
Improvement
area
I
understand
you're,
going
to
speak
to
that
right,
so
we'll
hold
that.
Well,
we
can
come
back
to
that
and
same
with
the
heart
of
Orleans
business.
Improvement
area
will
hold
5.3
item.
5.4
is
the
sale
of
a
portion
of
751
Peter
Moran
Crescent
in
exchange
for
lands
required
for
various
active
Transportation
connections?
Is
that
carried
sure.
C
C
Item
5.6
is
a
request
to
waive
market
value
for
1325
Avenue
L.
Is
that
carried
item?
5.7
Declaration
of
surplus
land
2690
Paget
road?
Is
that
carried
item
5.8
Declaration
of
surplus
land,
two
pretty
Street
and
transfer
to
Ottawa
Community
lands,
Development
Corporation,
okay,
old
item
5.9?
Is
a
delegation
of
authority
to
sign
mutual
agreement
for
drainage
works
at
2121,
Huntley
Road?
Is
that
carried
okay?
J
J
So
today
we're
going
to
give
an
overview
of
the
Q2
status
report
in
the
full
year
forecast
for
2023,
in
addition
to
the
2024
budget
directions
report,
so
I'm
joining
my
colleague,
Suzanne
snob
manager
of
financial
services
planning
and
budging.
We
also
share
the
the
presentation
with
me
this
morning.
So
as
a
reminder,
as
per
the
council
2023-2026
Council
government's
review,
Council
approved
the
budget
process
for
each
year.
J
Part
of
that
process
is
directing
the
chief
finance
officer
and
Treasurer
to
bring
forward
a
report
that
details
the
budget
timetable
and
provides
budget
directions
in
advance
of
each
yearly
budget.
In
this
presentation,
we'll
provide
an
overview
of
the
key
highlights
and
recommendations
of
the
directions
report
and
provide
an
overview
of
the
budget
process
between
now
and
December.
J
But
before
we
get
into
the
actual
presentation,
I
do
want
to
extend
and
acknowledge
a
special
thanks
to
the
entire
Finance
team.
The
entire
senior
leadership
team,
extended
management
team
to
date,
there's
been
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
done
so
far
for
the
2024
budget
and
that
will
continue
into
the
next
coming
months
in
terms
of
the
tabling
and
committee
review
and
adoption
December
next
slide,
please
and
Suzanne
the
slide.
K
K
J
Next
slide,
please
so
before
I
get
into
the
actual
Financial
numbers.
This
slide,
as
if
you
recall,
was
presented
when
we
provide
an
update
for
our
q1,
so
this
slide
provides
an
overview
of
the
winter
weather
data
that
illustrate
the
impact
on
the
2023
budget,
the
overall
Q2
year.
Today,
deficit
is
driven
by
significant
first
half
of
the
2023
winter
season,
with
snowfall
and
freezing
rain.
It's
substantially
above
the
five-year
average.
J
The
first
half
of
the
2023
winner
season
saw
snow
accumulation
of
221
centimeters,
which
is
26
higher
than
the
five-year
average
of
175
centimeters
increasing
freezing
rain
hours,
which
was
73
higher
than
the
five-year
average
and
a
minor
increase
in
the
in
the
one
percent
increase
for
free
stall
Cycles.
As
a
reminder,
as
we
speak
to
the
second
half
of
the
presentation
each
year
during
the
budget
process,
we
do
review
and
look
at
the
three
year.
Five
year
ten
year,
average
the
kind
of
seasonality
out
in
terms
of
winter
impacts
in
the
weather
season.
J
J
The
next
column
to
to
your
right
we're
demonstrating
a
6.6
million
dollar
forecasted
deficit
to
the
end
of
the
year,
again,
largely
driven
by
the
first
half
of
the
winter
season,
mitigated
by
continued
discretionary
spending,
freeze,
hiring
polls
and
additional
revenues
from
investment,
mainly
investment
income
in
a
non-departmental
area.
Next
slide,
please.
J
So
the
purpose
of
the
budget
directions
report
is
the
seed
committee
and
Council
approval
for
the
targeted
property
tax
increase
and
seek
endorsement
of
the
budget
strategies
outline
the
report,
in
addition
to
the
proposed
timeline,
consultation
and
engagement
process
for
a
tabling
review
and
Adoption
of
the
2024
budget,
a
council
approved
direction
for
predefined
tax
increases
as
standard
practice
in
Minnesota
budget.
It
provides
strong
fiscal
discipline
and
financial
management
in
which
councils
play
the
leading
role
in
the
city's
approach
to
fiscal
prudence
and
find
sustainability.
J
J
So
immediately,
following
the
adoption
of
the
2023
budget
in
March
staff
began
a
detailed
process
of
laying
out
the
foundation
for
the
2024
budget
process
and
review.
Regular
reporting
and
engagement
with
all
levels
of
the
organization
has
been
ongoing
and
will
continue
to
be
ongoing
into
the
tabling
committee
review
and
final
option
of
the
2024
budget.
J
The
budget
is
driven
by
strong
policies
and
plans
which
have
led
to
our
continued
Financial
sustainability.
Examples
such
as
our
long-range
budget
plans,
our
fiscal
framework,
strategic
Asset,
Management
plans,
Reserve
management
policy
in
2018
that
was
developed
in
our
first
long-range
financial
plan
for
housing
in
2021,
which
I'll
be
bringing
we'll
bring
back
forward
later
this.
This
fall
with
updated
version
of
that
long-range
financial
plan.
J
In
addition
to
the
formal
programs,
in
order
to
achieve
annual
draft
budgets
that
the
early
Council
directions,
the
senior
leadership
team
engaged
in
a
vigorous,
Challenge
and
function,
employing
numerous
mechanisms
to
identify,
strengthen
and
Achieve
fishy
improvements
prior
to
the
draft
budget
being
tabled
to
council
next
slide.
I'll
pass
over
to
Suzanne.
K
K
J
So
the
proposed
2024
property
tax
levy
is
no
more
than
2.5
in
assessment
growth
of
1.5,
which
is
based
on
preliminary
impact
information.
Final
tax,
roll
information
from
Impact
and
assessment
data
will
only
be
known
towards
the
end
of
December.
As
a
reminder.
In
2023
assessment,
growth
was
2.2
percent,
and
this
was
driven
largely
by
a
surge
in
building
permits
in
Prior
demand,
where
the
market
kind
of
caught
up
to
the
growth
and
came
online
in
2022.,
which
is
one
of
the
largest
assessment
schools
that
we
had
seen
in
recent
history.
J
Although
there's
a
reduction
in
the
property
tax
levy
driven
by
the
assessment
growth,
there
are
three
substantial
factors
that
need
to
be
considered:
5.7
million
dollars
of
additional
base
tax
revenue,
which
was
communicated
in
April
through
the
2023
tax
policy
report.
At
the
time
it
was
recommended
and
approved
and
allocated
to
the
tax
stabilization
Reserve.
This
is
incremental
based
taxation,
Revenue.
That
has
not
been
allocated
to
operations
which
we're
recommending
to
bring
that
money
into
operations
for
the
operating
budget
as
well.
In
2023,
the
capital
CPI
was
6.33.
J
Current
projections
is
sitting
around
three
percent
with
continued
projections
to
hit
around
two
percent
throughout
2024.,
so
from
a
comparison
from
a
6.3
to
a
three
percent,
which
is
what
we're
factoring
today
for
estimates,
that's
a
reduction
in
the
4.2
million
dollar
pressure.
When
you
compare
the
pressure
that
was
in
front
of
us
as
part
of
2023
budget,
the
other
substantial
change
from
the
2023
to
2024
budget
build
perspective
is
the
cost
of
fuel.
So
we
do
Edge
our
contracts.
We
enter
into
Edge
contracts
for
our
fuel
and
right
now.
J
Currently,
our
contracts
are
yielding
an
eight
percent
Savings
in
2024
versus
2023.,
so
from
a
year
over
year
perspective
that
reduces
pressure
from
a
3.5
million.
When
you
compare
it
to
the
pressure
that
we
had
to
deal
with
in
2023..
So
again,
those
three
components
are
significant
changes
that
we
do
not
have
to
face
as
we
build
the
2024
budget
that
we
were
challenged
with
in
the
2023
budget
process.
J
It's
also
important
to
note
that
what
you
see
in
front
of
you
is
just
a
tax
levy
increase
component.
It
does
not
factor
in
any
user.
Fee
increases
additional
revenues
that
we're
reviewing
through
the
service
review
expenditure
savings
through
resource
review
or
multitude
of
continuous
improvements
that
we're
looking
for
as
well.
All
that
information
will
presented
and
be
part
and
detailed
in
the
table
draft
budget
in
November
next
slide.
Please.
J
So
input
feedback
is
integral
to
the
development
of
the
city's
budget.
Providing
feedback
to
the
budget
process
can
be
done
at
any
time
throughout
the
year.
It's
not
restricted
to
what
we
would
table
as
the
the
budget.
Hot
season,
which
starts
today
into
the
fall.
There's
various
opportunities
for
residents
to
provide
feedback
through
the
ward
counselors
reports
at
committee
engage
Ottawa,
various
other
Mexicans
that
they
can
have
input
into
the
budget
process.
J
J
C
L
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
and
thank
you,
members
of
finance
and
development
Economic
Development
Committee.
My
name
is
Alex
Cullen
I
am
the
past
president
of
the
FCA
and
here,
on
behalf
of
the
FCA,
to
speak
to
this
issue
of
the
budget
directions
we're
speaking
to
the
budget
Direction
document
with
respect
to
the
city's
insurance
program
that
supports
community
activities
such
as
Community
outdoor
rinks,
Community,
Gardens
and
other
activities.
L
L
Proposed
rise
in
insurance
deductible
to
be
borne
by
Community
groups
from
five
hundred
dollars
to
then
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
committee
direct
us
now
to
review
the
cpip
to
eliminate
the
inequity
and
coverage
and
to
consult
with
Community
groups.
The
insurance
deductible
was
later
reset
at
five
hundred
dollars
in
May,
2022
staff
did
submit
a
report
on
the
CPI
Peter
fedco
as
directed.
However,
there
was
no
consultation
with
Community
groups.
L
Fedco
referred
the
report
without
recommendation
to
city
council
to
the
main
meeting
of
city
council
and
city
council
did
not
accept
the
recommendations
of
the
report
and
director
staff
to
consult
with
Community
groups.
Aside
from
a
questionnaire
posted
on,
engage
Ottawa,
there
has
been
no
consultation
with
Community
groups.
Despite
our
repeated
requests
for
this.
We
even
asked
to
meet
with
the
mayor
on
this
topic,
but
have
obtained
no
response.
L
The
May
26
white
memo
still
speaks
of
the
fixed
program
providing
City
Insurance
to
153
Community
groups
and
a
separate
open
program
where
Community
groups
can
obtain
Insurance
those
who
are
not
on
the
fixed
program
they
can
obtain
shares
at
their
own
costs.
That
includes
the
new
communities
in
the
new
neighborhoods.
L
Our
understanding
from
November
2021
was
that
this
two-tier
system
of
providing
City
Insurance
was
to
end.
There
are
about
30
Community
groups,
paying
Market
insurance
rates
for
providing
the
same
Services
as
those
under
the
city's
fixed
program.
This
is
clearly
unfair
and
should
end
as
well.
The
deductible
for
Community
groups
participating
in
the
cpip
is
to
increase
from
500
to
a
thousand
dollars.
L
Most
Community
groups
do
not
have
this
money,
we
are
volunteer-based
non-profit,
and
this
has
caused
a
number
of
community
groups
to
reconsider,
providing
these
activities
so
that
many
of
you
as
City
councilors,
do
like
to
attend.
We
are
aware
that
the
cost
of
the
cpip
program
is
indeed
a
budget
pressure,
but,
as
mentioned
earlier,
this
is
a
modest
program
that
has
cost
the
city
about
250
000
annually.
Claims
here
are
few.
L
M
Thanks
very
much
mayor
thanks
for
being
here,
Mr
Cullen.
This
has
been
a
long-standing
issue
and
I
know
you've
been
on
it
for
a
while
now,
I
guess,
if
you
could
just
succinctly
outline
for
this
committee,
what
the
remaining
issues
are,
what
what
is
the
big
concern
from
an
average
Community
Association
that
might
not
be
covered
under
what
they
would
have
previously
been
covered
for,
but
the
city's
insurance
program,
if
you
could
just
spell
that
out
for
people
I.
L
L
There
are
three
points:
the
first
is
the
uneven
playing
field
that
why
some
Community
associations
running
a
community
rig
have
to
pay
market
rate
and
their
neighboring,
Community
or
somewhere
else
in
the
city
is
covered
by
the
insurance.
The
city's
insurance
program.
That's
just
clearly
not
fair.
It's
a
legacy
item
from
the
amalgamation,
so
that
needs
to
be
addressed
and
we
thought
it
was
addressed.
The
second
issue
deals
with
deductible
deductible
is
a
cost
to
Community
groups
and
500.
L
Okay,
that
looks
after
the
the
minor
claims
that
there
are
any
claims
or
quite
few
claims,
but
when
you're
talking
a
thousand
dollars,
most
Community
groups
will
say:
oh
we,
you
know,
we
don't
have
that
money.
Should
we
engage
in
this
program?
Should
we
do
this
community
garden?
Should
we
do
this
outdoor
ring?
Should
we
run
the
field
house
on
behalf
of
the
city
which
would
we
do
we
provide
the
volunteers
to
run
these
programs,
so
that
creates
a
chill
and
the
third
is.
L
We
talked
about
outdoor
ranks,
we
talked
about
Community
Gardens,
but
there's
a
whole
host
of
other
unresolved
issues
when
communities
hold
activities
that
we
don't
have
a
clear
policy
for,
and
we
just
want
to
talk
to
the
city
to
understand
what
are
the
do's
and
don'ts
what
we
can
do,
what
we
can't
do,
what
we
can
work
out
an
arrangement,
for
example,
winter
carnivals,
got
approved
in
the
last
go
round
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
You
had
to
go
and
talk
to
recreation
parks,
not
cities,
not
the
city
solicitor
to
get
approval.
L
M
N
You
mayor,
thanks
for
being
here
this
morning,
Alex
and
I
really
appreciate
your
persistence
in
this
issue.
I
really
do
I
was
hoping
that
you
might
be
able
to
describe
for
us
when
you
say
you
know
that
the
previous
Direction
was
to
consult
with
community
and
you
received
that
engage
Ottawa
survey.
As
a
result,
can
you
describe
for
us
what
your
expectations
are,
what
the
expectations
are
of
the
FCA
for
that
more
fulsome
conversation
about
the
options
in
front
of
them?
Could
you
describe
for
this
committee
what
the
expectation
is
so.
L
Counselor,
as
you
may
recall,
at
one
time,
I
held
a
seat
on
city,
council
and
I've,
been
involved
in
consultations
with
all
kinds
of
parties
coming
to
speak
to
the
city,
about
all
kinds
of
issues,
and
basically
it
is
a
face-to-face
meeting
with
City
staff
to
go
over
the
issues
find
out
their
constraints.
Have
them
learn
about
our
environment,
see
what
we
can
work
out?
Are
there
modifications
that
we
can
live
with?
L
N
Thank
you
for
that
description,
I
think,
that's
something
that
we
should
be
working
towards.
Having
accommodated
and
I
also
wanted
to
raise.
You
know
an
echo
for
what
you
said
in
terms
of
the
parks
department.
I
have
found
that
department
to
be
very
forthcoming
and
trying
to
resolve
these
issues
and
I'd
like
to
thank
Den
Chenier
for
his
leadership
there.
Okay
I'll
turn
it
to
my
colleagues
and
I'll
have
questions
for
staff
after
thank
you
and.
L
And
if
I
can
just
follow
up,
this
is
one
of
the
problems
of
dealing
with
this
issue.
The
operations
people
are
in
parks
and
rec
and
they
are
very
accommodating.
The
people
who
are
on
the
budget
are
in
the
legal
department
and
they
just
you
know,
do
their
job
running
the
budget.
It
is
two
different
kingdoms
and
it's
very
frustrating
that
we
can't
get
a
full
conversation
going
between
those
parties.
L
I
can't
answer
that
all
I
know
is
that
this
program
has
been
in
place
now
for
23
years
since
amalgamation.
It
actually
predates
amalgamation.
The
different
municipalities
prior
to
amalgamation
had
different
sorts
of
programs
that
had
to
be
merged
in
the
year
2000,
so
until
recently,
the
the
pressure
from
kovid
and
the
impact
it
had
on
insurance
rates.
L
This
wasn't
much
of
an
issue
except
for
the
part
of
the
growing
communities
in
your
ward
in
Orleans
Bar,
Haven,
Riverside
South
out
in
Canada,
because
those
communities
were
coming
on
stream
and
they
were
new
to
the
game
now
they're.
Finding
out
that
there's
a
two-tier
system
and
I
can't
speak
to
the
other
municipalities.
Some
I'm
sure
are
more
generous
than
others,
but
this
is
a
program.
That's
been
in
place
for
decades
in
the
in
Ottawa.
L
I'm
not
aware
of
that,
but
I
do
welcome
as
all
my
members
do,
every
one
of
you
when
you
attend
our
activities,
and
this
has
been
supported
politically
Council
after
Council
after
Council
and
think
of
it,
you
are
leveraging
volunteer
activity
that
benefits
the
community.
These
are
people
working
for
free.
If
we
are
faced
with
financial
barriers,
then
these
communities
can't
do
these
things
and
the
quality
of
life
deteriorates,
and
you
don't
get
to
visit
the
winter
carnival.
No.
O
I
totally
understand
this:
is
it's
it's
difficult.
You
know
when
we
get
a
new
insurance
company
on
board
to
maintain
the
rates
that
we've
had
with
a
long-standing
insurer.
So
it's
a
bit
more
complicated,
I
think
than
we're
letting
on
today,
but
this
may
be
an
opportunity
for
the
fcm
to
come
together.
You
know
and
pool
risk
across
Community
associations
across
Canada,
which
would
be
a
much
larger
risk
pool
than
just
the
community
associations.
Here
in
Ottawa
you
might
be
able
to
get
a
better
rate.
L
A
A
I
am
very
much
hoping
that
today's
meeting
is
going
to
be
the
spur
to
finally
getting
that
done
just
for
the
sake
of
members
of
the
public
for
the
Press
who
are
here.
What
are
the
kinds
of
activities
that
are
affected
by
the
insurance
issue
and
and
what
is
the
interaction
between
permission
to
run
a
community
event
and
insurance
right.
L
So
there's
a
range,
the
the
most
obvious
one
are
the
community
outdoor
rinks.
This
does
involve
an
agreement
between
the
rink
operator,
it's
usually
a
community
group
and
the
city,
so
the
city
does
set
down
criteria
that
the
the
community
group
must
meet
so
thus
straightforward,
Community
Gardens
much
the
same
thing.
L
There
are
other
activities
such
as
field
houses,
some
City
grounds,
supporting
a
park
where
the
community
is
undertaken
to
provide
support
for
that
activity
and
they
are.
It
is
third
party
coverage
right,
we're
not
talking
about
personal
insurance,
we're
talking
about
a
third-party
cover,
so
that
if
someone
is
on
a
rink
and
has
an
accident
that
the
Community
Association
is
covered
by
the
city's
insurance,
so
it
is
a
range.
L
The
most
obvious,
as
I
said,
was
the
community
outdoor
rinks,
but
Community
Gardens
with
there
is
an
issue
with
winter
Trails
for,
for
example,
because
they
meet.
They
have
an
arrangement
with
the
city,
a
contract
with
the
city
to
provide
a
service.
They
do
get
some
funding,
but
they
have
to
raise
their
own
money
outside
from
the
market
so
and
I'm
aware
of
field
houses.
That
I
think
you
have
other
delegations
that
will
speak
to
it
later
on
on
the
agenda.
P
A
L
I
just
want
to
remind
folks
this
is
a
very.
Very
minor
program
is
less
than
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
We're
talking
about
here,
I
think
a
bigger
fish
to
fry
elsewhere
in
in
the
city,
but
for
Community
associations.
It's
a
deal
breaker
for
our
financial
resources
can
accommodate
these
shifts
in
Insurance
demands,
and
we
are
looking
for
the
city
to
help
us
out
have.
E
Great
thank
you
very
much
today
for
your
delegation.
I
appreciate
it
and
I
wish.
Fcm
could
do
something
like
this.
We're
really
honing
in
on
housing
and,
as
you
know,
insurance
is
provincial.
So,
but
we
do
have
your
Amor
rep
here
too.
That
could
certainly
speak
to
you
for
144
municipalities,
I
think
we
have
a
housing
crisis.
That
being
said,
I
completely
agree:
I
love,
Community
associations.
How
did
we
get
in
this
pickle
because
this
happened
before
2010?
E
L
All
these
issues
came
to
to
the
new
Council
and
I
was
a
member
of
that
new
Council
and
at
the
time
staff
recommended.
No.
We
have
all
these
different
programs
jettison
the
program
and
and
council
at
the
time
said.
No.
This
is
very
valuable
to
the
community
small
bucks
to
the
city,
we're
going
to
continue
the
program
and
revisit
it,
so
they
kept
it
at
around
I.
Think
was
200
communities
at
the
time
not
amalgamation
and
Council
vowed
to
come
back
to
it.
L
Well,
Council
never
did
come
back
to
it
and
over
time
immunity
associations
come
and
go.
Some
of
the
community
ranks
weren't
renewed,
but
the
Citigroup,
and
so
two
years
ago
we
at
the
FCA.
We
started
hearing
complaints
from
greater
Avalon
from
City
View
from
other
community
groups
that
weren't
in
the
Legacy
program.
What's
now
called
The
Fix
program
saying
how
come
we
have
to
pay
full
Freight
when
we're
doing
the
same
thing
that
everyone
else
does
and
well,
we
didn't
have
an
answer
for
that.
L
This
is
this
is
crazy,
so
it
needs
a
look.
It
needs
to
be
reset.
We
understand
that
we
certainly
adhere
to
the
principle
that
staff
enunciated
in
their
original
report
that
there
needs
to
be
a
relationship,
a
city
sanctioned
a
relationship
between
the
city
and
the
organization.
That's
fine,
not
a
problem.
There,
we're
not
going
to
do
bouncy
councils
if
the
city
doesn't.
L
E
C
Q
Q
Well,
I'll
just
start
and
say
that
start
from
where
I
was
mentioning,
that
we
pay
around
fifty
seven
hundred
dollars
for
insurance
and
gas
for
our
car
and
that
money
would
be
great
to
go
into
Renovations,
because
we
recently
experienced
the
flash
floods
and
our
basement
flooded.
So
we
have
to
redo
all
of
our
floors.
Q
In
addition,
I
am
a
really
concerned
about
climate
change.
I
would
love
not
to
have
emissions
or
be
have
that
be
part
of
my
personal
footprint.
I
know
that
realistically
not
going
to
make
a
big
difference,
but
when
I
sometimes
feel
like
city
council
could
be
bolder
in
implementing
its
energy
Evolution
plan.
At
least
the
idea
of
getting
rid
of
my
car
gives
me
a
sense
of
agency
over
a
deeply
concerning
issue
that
is
affecting
my
house
and
my
life
in
lots
of
different
ways.
Q
Q
It
will
force
me
in
fact,
to
use
my
car
more.
It
will
force
me
to
pay
more
for
parking
pay
more
for
gas.
It
will
force
me
to
use
Rideshare
companies
that
are
picking
up
on
the
city's
missed
opportunity
for
not
having
putting
investment
into
a
more
robust
transit
system
and
Uber
doesn't
need
cities
the
city
of
ottawa's
help
in
making
profits.
I
don't
want
to
use
them.
I
would
much
rather
pay
for
a
reliable,
frequent
transit
system
than
pay
for
Ubers.
Q
There
is
a
straightforward
option.
I
know
it's
probably
not
going
to
sound
great
to
all
of
you,
but
the
straightforward
option
is
to
increase
property
taxes
Beyond
this
2.5
percent
and
I
will
explain
why
it
is
quite
simply
because
I
already
feel
like
I
am
paying
an
additional
tax
to
live
in
Ottawa,
and
that
is
a
car
tax,
because
the
thing
the
money
I
put
into
my
car
is
the
equivalent
of
a
125
percent
increase
in
my
property
taxes
and
keep
in
mind.
I
don't
have
car
payments.
Q
The
average
person
in
Ontario
who
has
car
payments
is
paying
7
800
a
year
just
on
car
payments.
That's
not
counting
Insurance,
that's
not
counting
gas.
That
is
a
huge
amount
of
money
that
they
are
spending
on
their
car
that
they
shouldn't
have
to
and
comparatively
to
even
a
3.5
or
4.5
increase
in
property.
Taxes,
like
the
total
for
2.5
percent,
is
113
on
my
annual
property
taxes
compared
to
fifty
seven
hundred
dollars.
That
is
just
ridiculous.
Q
I
don't
want
to
pay
the
car
tax
anymore.
I
want
investments
in
our
Transit
I
want
money
going
into
a
more
frequent
and
reliable
transit
system,
and
I
am
happy
to
pay
for
that,
and
even
if
someone
is
not
in
the
city,
they
care
about
their
car,
they
love
it.
They
think
it's
part
of
themselves,
even
if
they're
able
to
use
transit
to
pay
one
time
less
to
fill
up
for
gas
in
a
month.
Q
C
M
So
I
appreciate
that
one
question
is
around
the
2.5
increase
on
transit
fares
versus
a
freeze
for
transit
fares,
which
I
assume
you're
advocating
for
last
year:
Council
froze
trans
Affairs
in
the
first
year,
despite
that,
we
still
have
some
of
the
highest
cash
fares
in
North
America,
but
we
did
freeze
them
last
year
is
your
is
your
ask
of
us
today
to
to
freeze
fares
again
in
this
budget
cycle?
Is
that
what
you're
asking
us
to
do?
Yes,.
M
Q
My
husband
actually
did
a
PhD
on
why
people
use
cars
in
Ottawa
and
the
primary
reason
is
that
they
do
not
trust
that
that
Transit
will
get
them
where
they
need
to
go
when
they
need
it.
So,
ultimately,
the
price
like,
if
you
made
it
free
so
completely
hypothetically
people,
there
are
some
people
who
still
would
not
use
it
because
they
don't
trust
it
we'll
get
them
where
they
need
to
go.
So
it's
it's,
not
just
a
price
issue.
M
Yeah,
absolutely
you
know
the
services
is
an
issue
and
that's
that's
probably
the
biggest
issue,
but
we
often
hear
that
that
people
say
well,
don't
reduce
the
cost,
just
make
the
service
better,
but
then
we
don't
get
better
service.
So
that's
the
issue
that
we're
seeing
with
with
those
arguments,
often
around
here,
so
really
appreciate
your
delegation
and
thanks
for
coming
out.
R
So
as
we'll
come
as
no
surprise
to
any
of
you
out
here
to
speak
to
the
recommended
increase
in
the
police
services
Levy
and
just
to
be
clear,
I'm
not
here,
because
I
think
anything
I
say
might
stop.
Most
of
you
ultimately
recommending
Council
approve
the
increase
and
yet
another
multi-million
dollar
police
budget
increase.
R
You
will
do
that,
since
only
a
small
minority
of
you
make
evidence-based
decisions
about
the
police
budget,
and
we
appreciate
those
of
you
who
have
the
courage
to
do
so,
but
you
will
continue
to
be
outvoted
by
those
who
don't
so
I'm
here
simply
to
provide
evidence
that
most
of
you
will
ignore
as
you
consistently
do,
but
it
will
be
on
the
record.
So,
as
groups
use
increasingly
militant
tactics
to
stop
the
harm
you're
enabling
you
won't
be
able
to
say
you
didn't
know
what
we
were
doing.
R
The
evidence
I'm
going
to
share
is
directly
related
to
the
recommendation
that
the
Police
Services
Board
developed
their
draft
budget
based
on
a
2.5
maximum
2.5
percent
police
services.
Levy
increase
and
everything
I
will
share,
is
directly
related
to
the
process.
The
Police
Services
Board
uses
to
produce
the
budget.
It
recommends
the
council
I'm
saying
this,
because
the
last
time
I
attempted
to
speak
at
a
city
council
committee,
meeting
I
was
accused
of
being
off
topic
and
not
allowed
to
finish
and
I'd
like
to
avoid
that
happening
again.
R
The
first
thing
I
want
to
point
out
is
how
the
process
actually
works.
The
Police
Services
Board
doesn't
actually
develop,
develop
a
draft
budget.
The
auto
Police
Service
does
and
submits
it
to
the
board
that,
for
the
LA
for
the
last
four
years
has
approved
every
penny.
The
police
have
asked
for,
with
one
exception
in
2021,
following
much
pressure
and
the
work
of
councilman
Kings.
R
When
he's
on
the
police
board,
the
board
recommended
Council
will
give
the
police
three
million
dollars
less,
which
than
they
asked
for
which
Council
approved
so
first
recommending
no
more
than
a
2.5
percent
increase
in
the
police
services.
Levy
has
led
to
annual
increases
in
the
police
budget
of
between
11
million
and
15
million
dollars
over
the
last
four
years.
Second,
the
Police
Services
Board
is
supposed
to
provide
counsel
with
recommendations
based
on
effective
public
consultation,
but
the
board
hasn't
done
this
for
years.
R
For
the
last
four
years,
successive
boards
have
led
or
hired
someone
else
to
lead
ineffective
consultations,
and
this
year
is
no
exception.
Actually,
there
is
something
exceptional
about
this
year,
and
that
is
the
chair
of
the
Police
Services
Board
Dr
Gail
Beck.
Releasing
a
document
on
the
consultations.
She
personally
led
to
quote
gather
feedback
to
inform
the
boys
2023-2026
strategic
plan,
unquote
and
gather
feedback.
R
Where
you
can
see
what
black
and
Indigenous
students
say
about
their
school
environment?
Furthermore,
successful
police
boards
have
imposed
ever
increasing
restrictions
on
public
delegations
and
meetings,
which
has
led
to
no
oral
public
delegations
like
this.
At
the
board's
last
three
meetings,
the
board
has
Justified
limiting
public
delegation,
saying
it
allows
them
to
complete
the
board's
important
work.
R
Really.
Let
me
finish
by
setting
an
example
of
the
important
work
they're
doing
doing
at
its
May
first
meeting,
the
auto
Police
Services
Board
policy
and
governance
committee,
including
mayor
Sutcliffe,
voted
on
whether
to
address
or
dismiss
a
motion
table
by
former
board
share
Council
of
dine
Deans.
The
call
for
the
engagement
with
the
Ottawa
Aboriginal
Coalition,
another
potential
indigenous
groups
to
identify
the
indigenous
Truth
and
Reconciliation
Commission
calls
to
action
that
apply
to
both
the
opsb
and
the
Ops.
R
They
voted
unanimously
to
dismiss
the
motion,
but
only
after
doing
a
land
acknowledgment
like
the
mayor
did
today
and
earlier
this
year
the
entire
board
voted
on
another
motion
by
the
previous
board
for
the
auto
Police
Service
to
review
its
use
of
force.
They
wanted
to
accept
that
motion,
but
only
for
information,
and
we've
heard
nothing
since,
and
this
is
despite
the
fact
that
the
ops's
own
data
confirms
they're
still
using
force
disproportionately
on
black
indigenous
and
Middle
Eastern
people.
R
This
is
the
work
the
board
is
doing
in
the
absence
of
essential
public
input,
and
this
will
lead
them
to
recommend
that
you
and
your
Council
callings
approve
yet
another
multi-million
dollar
budget
increase
without
evidence,
without
effective
consultation
and
as
usual,
Without
Shame,
but
not
without
consequences.
That's
why,
on
August,
9th
the
613819
black
Hub
and
other
community
groups
filed
a
lawsuit
against
the
auto
Police
Services
Board
for
violating
our
freedom,
our
right
to
freedom
of
expression.
R
O
S
S
S
One
must
just
look
at
our
history
as
recently
as
15
years
ago,
or
15
years
or
so
ago,
when
Larry
O'brien,
you
know
said
he
was
going
to
refuse
to
raise
taxes
only
having
you
know
to
eventually
be
forced
to
raise
property
taxes
by
five
percent
in
the
years
that
followed
his
promise
going
to
show
that
taxpayers
will
eventually
have
to
make
up
for
the
shortfall
in
Revenue
mayor.
You
are
only
just
slowing
down
the
inevitable
while
ensuring
that
our
city
services
continue
to
suffer
the
brunt
of
it.
S
S
Well,
with
the
new
parking
Levy
sales
tax
and
hike
in
the
vacant
unit
tax,
the
city
of
Toronto
will
generate
millions
in
Revenue
to
maintain
city
services,
which
are
all
things
we
can
very
well
do.
While
this
report
suggests
residents
to,
for
example,
pay
more
for
transit
system
that
barely
even
works,
which
is,
quite
frankly,
insulting
to
the
average
Transit
Rider.
S
As
we
heard
earlier
in
delegate
Emma
biter's
delegation
and
taxpayer,
who
who
paid
for
this
system,
I
could
say
that
if
if
this
Council
wasn't
raising
property
taxes
at
least
they're
coming
up
with
new
Revenue
generating
tools,
but
you
aren't
even
doing
that
in
this
report
and
for
every
budget
that
you
don't
our
services
deteriorate
a
little
bit
more.
A
little
creativity
and
vision
can
go
a
long
way,
but
you
instead
decide
to
take
the
quote
simpler
way
out
to
destroy
our
trans
system.
That
is
a
massive
hole
in
it.
S
Without
New
Revenue,
generating
tools
or
an
increase
in
property
taxes
that
will
only
continue
to
grow
again.
Mayor
Sutcliffe
and
chair
Gower.
You
are
only
leading
us
closer
to
the
inevitable
and
don't
get
me
wrong.
I
I
support
asking
for
operational
dollars
from
the
provincial
government,
but
everyone
around
this
table
knows
as
well
as
I
do
that
that
money
is
not
going
to
come
the
potential
government,
just
as
it
didn't
come
last
year.
At
a
certain
point,
you
only
have
yourself
to
blame
and
we
have
unfortunately
come
to
that
point
I
believe.
S
But
if
we
bring
in
new
tools,
we
can
fill
that
hole.
It's
simple
math
outside
of
that,
though,
is
obviously
the
question
of
prioritizing
funding,
because
we
know
that
this
isn't
the
only
about
you
know
generating
more
Revenue,
but
but
how
our
city
spends
their
existing
Revenue.
For
example,
our
city
could
reallocate
funding
for
mobile
riding
or
expansions
to
fill
the
hole
in
our
Transit
budget,
as
Community
groups
asked
for
earlier
this
year,
that's
in
crisis
but
chooses
not
to.
S
Instead,
there
is
a
note
in
here
asking
Council
to
raise
Fair
as
an
optimized
roof
switch.
Let's
face
it,
our
Cuts,
despite
what
Cherry
Gower
might
say
in
the
Press,
our
city
could
put
more
money
towards
mitigating
the
effects
of
climate
change
like
ensure
pools
and
beaches
are
open
for
longer
hours.
S
So
residents
could
stay
cool
during
the
heat
wave
we're
facing
in
the
week
to
come,
for
example,
but
it's
choosing
to
instead
invest
Millions,
increasing
and
already
blow
to
police
budget
that
no
one
is
really
able
to
criticize,
because
participation,
as
the
previous
delegate
said,
has
been
heavily
Limited
at
the
Police
Services
Board
The
Province,
not
giving
our
city
enough
funding
for
multiple
things
is
hurting
us
it's
true,
but
our
city
can
also
spend
our
money
better.
Instead
of
actively
choosing
to
make
the
lives
of
residents
more
difficult
again.
S
At
a
certain
point,
you
know
you're
you're,
the
problem
so
I
would
I
would
plead
with
members
of
this
committee
to
not
cleanse
our
city
even
further
into
Financial
disarray
and
deficit.
For
you
know,
or
residents
into
suffering,
by
rejecting
this
report
and
coming
back
to
the
table
was
something
that
actually
benefits
all
residents,
not
just
a
certain
sector
of
the
city.
You
know
the
election
campaign
finished
almost
a
year
ago,
and
and
now
we
need
a
budget
for
for
all
of
Ottawa.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
A
S
As
someone
on
this
table
has
have
said,
and
and
also
you
know,
things
like
I
said,
you
know,
parking
Levy,
I
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
that
the
city
could
be
looking
at,
but
instead
of
looking
at,
you
know
different
ways
to
generate
revenue
or
to
increase
property
of
taxes
where,
instead
of
looking
at
service
cuts
and
raising
transit
fares,
which
will
only
lead
to
you,
know
more
suffering
and
and
and
decrease
ridership.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things.
A
Yep
I'm,
assuming
you
would
agree
that
we
should
be
looking
not
at
what
the
rate
of
Municipal
increase
is.
So
we're
probably
today
going
to
vote
to
cap
the
budget
at
an
increase
of
2.5
percent,
not
sure
why
that's
the
right
number
but
2.5
percent,
every
one
percent
increase
in
taxation
brings
in
20
and
a
half
million
dollars.
A
four
percent
tax
increase
would
allow
us
to
cover
and
more
the
operational
deficit
and
that
would
cost
less
than
a
hundred
dollars
per
year
to
the
average
household
in
Ottawa.
A
S
Yeah
I
mean
again
I
I,
you
know,
I,
don't
want
to
be
too
whatever,
but
I
I
do
think.
You
know
this
is
the
two
and
a
half
percent
as
an
arbitrary
number
and
I
and
I
understand.
You
know
that
mayor
Sutcliffe
committed
to
a
number
during
the
election
campaign
but,
like
I,
said
we're
not
in
an
election
anymore.
S
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
Hirsch,
just
just
before
we
move
on
just
a
question
for
staff,
just
to
clarify
just
to
be
clear
that
I
understand
the
delegates.
Point
was
not
about
specific
measures,
but
we
do
not
have
the
same
authority
to
introduce
other
Revenue
tools
that
the
city
of
Toronto
does.
Is
that
correct?
They
have
they're
governed
under
a
different
act
that
allows
them
to
have,
for
example,
a
land
transfer
tax
that
we're
not
allowed
to
to
do,
among
others
right.
S
Yeah,
if
I
may
just
mayor,
if
you'll
allow
me
to
should
make
a
final
point
I
just
you
know
again.
My
point
wasn't
necessarily
that
there
are
certainly
different
things
that
Toronto
as
a
jurisdiction
do.
But
you
know
there
are
things
that
we
could
do
like
again:
parking
raising
parking,
Levy,
raising
certain
fees
on
things
that
that
were
not,
and
and
could
lower
other
fees
like
Recreation
fees
and
and
Transit.
C
C
U
U
Okay,
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
share
some
personal
experiences
and
how
that
might
help
you
to
consider
what
you
fund
with
this
next
budget,
yeah
I've
I've
experiences
with
the
Ottawa
Police
one
day,
biking
home
I
was
yelled
at
for
taking
up
too
much
space
in
the
road.
I
was
kind
of
not
hugging
the
shoulder,
because
the
lane
was
narrow
and
cars
were
passing
very
fast.
It
was
a
on
Maitland
crossing
over
the
highway
and
I
told
the
officer.
U
U
So,
at
the
same
time
as
we're
funding,
the
police,
more
and
cutting
Transit
funding
kind
of
seems
like
getting
more
drivers
off
the
road
which
would
make
my
commute
to
work
every
day
safer
and
also
help
out
people.
A
lot
would
be
might
be
better
to
fund
the
transit
and
not
the
police
as
much.
Although
I
do
also
have
good
I've
had
good
experiences
with
Auto
police
as
well
yeah.
Another
thing
I
want
to
share
is
I'm
from
Niagara,
where
Transit
has
completely
failed
the
poor
in
our
community.
U
My
parents
are
constantly
driving
around
family
and
friends
from
church.
There's.
One
family
in
particular
that
live
in
public
housing
and
their
oldest
child
hasn't
graduated
high
school,
but
I
think
he's
kind
of
given
up
on
that,
and
it's
just
very
sad
to
see
the
suffering
and
hardship
and
just
how
much
harder
their
lives
are,
because
it's
impossible
for
them
to
function
in
Niagara
without
a
car
and
it'd
be
great.
U
If
we
could
try
to
help
the
poor
in
our
community
and
just
make
everyone's
lives
better
by
funding
Transit,
and
especially
for
him,
he's
at
risk
of
probably
getting
involved
in
crime
or
that
kind
of
thing,
without
a
high
school
degree,
and
without
really
access
to
entertainment
or
anything
fun,
you
can
do
without
cutting
a
car
and
obviously
they
can't
afford
a
car.
So
he
kind
of
really
relies
on
people
from
our
church
to
drive
them
around.
U
N
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
delegation
today.
My
name
is
Lane
I'm,
the
counselor
for
college
Ward,
so
that
overpass
at
Maitland
is
within
College
Ward
I
share
it
with
Bay
Ward
Teresa
Kavanaugh
is
also
on
the
call.
So
we
know
that
area
quite
well.
My
family
is
also
from
Niagara,
so
I
feel
like
we're
firing
on
all
cylinders.
Here
we
probably
have
family
in
common
I.
N
I
really
appreciated
your
delegation,
because
you
the
way
that
you
were
able
to
create
that
intersectionality
between
so
many
issues
like
enforcement,
Street
design,
you
know
density
in
our
our
neighborhoods
and
car
usage.
It
really
exemplifies
the
complexity
of
decision
making
that
has
to
come
through
a
budget.
So,
given
that
you
know
the
police
budget
is
assigned,
you
know
by
The
Police,
Services
Board
and
under
the
police
act
and
so
on
within
the
city
of
ottawa's
purview.
N
When
you
describe
those
types
of
Investments
that
you'd
like
to
see,
you
mentioned
Transit,
but
you
also
also
mentioned
road
safety
and
vulnerable
Road
users
are.
Could
you
describe
for
me
what
kind
of
interventions
you'd
like
to
see
within
within
that
scope?
Are
there
Road
Road
designs
that
you'd
like
to
see
or
protections
that
you'd
like
to
experience
in
your
neighborhood.
U
Oh
yeah,
absolutely
there's
a
ton
of
very
busy
roads
in
Ottawa
that
I
see
people
trying
to
bike
on
that.
Have
no
protected
cycling
infrastructure.
They
don't
even
have
painted
bike
Lanes
a
lot
of
them
like
Maitland,
for
example,
if
there's
really
nothing
over
the
highway
and
that's
one
of
the
only
ways
to
cross
the
highway,
which
is
a
really
big
barrier
in
being
so
yeah
protected
bike
infrastructure,
a
lot
more
traffic
calming
all.
There's
all
these
signs
in
the
PM
that
say
traffic
on
neighborhood.
U
But
then
the
roads
are
super
wide.
There's
no
sidewalks
cars,
there's
nothing
really
to
slow
down
the
cars
except
for
a
few
Flex
posts,
and
they
take
those
out
in
the
winter
and
especially
there's
a
school
right
by
where
I
used
to
live
in
Nepean
be
nice
to
put
in
a
modal
filter
there.
So
you
don't
get
through
traffic
there.
U
You
can
only
get
people
going
to
their
houses
and
dropping
off
kids
from
school,
because
you
really
there's
no
need
to
have
through
traffic
right
past
a
school,
especially
when
there's
tons
of
other
roads
around
that
they
could
be
taking
yeah,
but
yeah
traffic.
Calming
better
cycling
and
infrastructure
and.
N
Thank
you
for
that.
I
appreciate
your
time
and
your
suggestions
that
way
right
now.
Traffic
calming
is
controlled
by
a
separate
budget.
That's
under
each
one
of
our
counselors,
but
certainly
as
part
of
our
budget
conversations.
We
are
hoping
to
expand
the
ways
in
which
we
can
increase
traffic
calming
in
our
older
neighborhoods
that
aren't
designed
to
more
modern
specifications.
So
thank
you.
V
But
it
speaks
to
a
bigger
budget
item
and
that
is
having
cycle
lanes
and
making
that
a
priority,
because
people
like
yourself
are
using
these
main
roads
to
get
around,
and
you
can't
always
take
routes
that
take
you
further
away.
You
need
to
get
places
directly.
Counselor,
Johnson
and
I
are
working
on
making
Maitland
more
accessible,
and
that
means
working
with
the
MTO.
That
is
the
provincial
government,
because
they
control
the
bridges
believe
it
or
not.
They
overpasses
so
is
this
is
I.
V
U
Yeah
absolutely-
and
it's
definitely
something
that
stops
a
lot
of
people
from
being
able
to
bike
to
work
or
bike
to
school
or
let
their
kids
back
to
their
friend's
house
by
themselves.
Yeah
those
overpasses
there's
only
a
few
ways
to
cross
the
highway,
so
it
really
divides
the
community
and
the
sidewalk
super
narrow,
there's
no
protection
against
cars.
Yet.
V
Yeah
and
currently
it's
actually
not
legal
to
for
cyclists
to
go
on
sidewalks,
yet
it's
safer
and
to
go
on
roads,
it's
supposed
to
be
where
they're
supposed
to
be,
but,
as
you've
pointed
out,
even
there
you're
getting
accused
of
doing
something
wrong.
So
it
sounds
to
me
like
we
need
to
Advocate
more
for
these
cycling
infrastructure
on
these
roads
that
people,
like
yourself,
are
using
them
for
main
routes
to
get
where
you
need
to
go.
V
U
U
It
really
makes
no
sense
that
an
empty
parking
lot
downtown
pays
less
tax
than
an
apartment
building
when
a
parking
lot
is
kind
of
a
negative
use
that
we
should
be
trying
to
work
against
while
a
apartment
building
is
housing
and
is
something
we
should
encourage.
It's
just
a
perverse
incentive
to
tax
based
on
the
value
of
the
structures
in
the
land,
rather
than
the
value
of
the
land
itself.
We
should
be
encouraging
the
best
land
use
possible,
especially
with
the
housing
crisis
going
on.
V
C
W
I'm,
a
researcher
at
the
University
of
Ottawa,
with
a
PhD
in
urban
planning
for
Miguel
and
I
first
want
to
amplify
and
state
my
support
for
the
other
delegates
that
who
are
speaking
to
the
need
for
higher
budgets
for
a
variety
of
Social
and
Community
Services
to
become
the
most
livable
mid-sized
city
in
North
America,
which
is
our
aspiration
in
the
Ottawa
official
plan.
We
need
robust,
Social
and
Health
supports
and.
T
W
Essential
city
services
I
also
want
to
amplify
and
state
my
support
for
the
other
delegates
who
are
speaking
to
an
obvious
space
in
the
city
budget,
where
those
efficiencies
can
be
found
in
the
bloated
budgets
reduced,
and
that
is
the
police
services
budget
at
the
bare
minimum.
I
support
the
option
to
not
approve
a
2.5
increase
and
to
allocate
those
funds
to
higher
priorities
and
and
more
cost
effective
city
services.
W
So
my
professional
and
academic
credentials
aside
I,
want
to
share
two
brief
personal
experiences
that
inform
my
position.
First,
my
own,
as
a
young
professional
who
has
been
living
on
a
student
budget
for
a
long
time
and
trying
to
find
affordable
housing
that
meets
my
needs
and,
second
about
my
parents
who
both
recently
gave
up
their
driver's
license
and
what
planning
in
an
aging
for
our
aging
population
will
mean
in
the
coming
years.
So
my
partner
and
I
have
been
searching
for
an
apartment
for
well
over
a
year
in
this
current
unaffordable
housing
market.
W
My
partner
I
both
currently
work
to
commute
to
work
either
by
bike
or
by
foot,
and
to
consider
moving
outside
of
our
downtown
neighborhood.
We
needed
to
assess
the
reliability
and
affordability
of
public
transit
as
an
option.
The
first
obstacle
is
that
the
cost
of
two
adult
monthly
bus
passes
of
250
far
exceeds
the
rent
savings
that
we
were
seeing
by
moving
outside
of
the
downtown
core.
W
In
some
ways.
My
partner
I
have
chosen
this
this
car
free
lifestyle,
but
in
many
ways
we
don't
have
a
choice.
We
cannot
afford
it
and
our
planet
cannot
afford
the
continued
Reliance
on
personal
vehicles,
and
so
now
thinking
about
my
parents
and
the
need
to
invest
in
proving
public
transit
for
our
aging
population
and
others
who
are
unable
to
drive
both
in
their
late
60s.
This
summer,
both
of
my
parents
surrendered
their
driver's
license.
First,
my
father
realized
he
was
having
difficult
teams
with
his
sight
and
his
reaction
time
and
as
a
paramedic.
W
He
had
spent
decades
driving
and
was
even
the
instructor
driving
instructor
for
The
Paramedic
Services
in
London
and
I
appreciate
for
him.
It
was
deeply
tied
to
his
identity
and
to
a
sense
of
freedom,
and
so
I
have
really
deep
appreciation
and
respect
that
he
recognized
it
was
time
to
give
it
up
and
that
his
Service
as
a
paramedic,
really
drove
his
recognition
that
the
potential
life-threatening
harm
of
continuing
to
drive
was
not
sufficient
to
keep
his
his
to
balance
against
his
sense
of
Freedom.
W
So
suddenly,
then,
my
mother
was
forced,
developed,
an
eye
condition
and
required
to
suspend
her
license
and
they
were
both
found
themselves
now
without
a
car
having
to
adjust
to
to
life
with
public
transit.
They
noticed
difficulties
in
just
getting
bus
passes
the
lack
of
a
of
seating
at
bus
stations
and
these
great
wait
times
and
limited
services,
so
I
understand
that
a
lot
of
residents
who
rely
on
their
cars
and
who
do
not
currently
or
perhaps
have
ever
really
used
public
transit.
W
H
W
Need
and
have
no
other
choice
but
to
rapidly
develop
more
economically
and
environmentally
and
socially
sustainable
transportation.
So
really
a
balanced
approach
does
not
mean
2.5
across
the
board.
We
need
to
balance
budget
considerations
with
our
priorities
as
a
city,
our
future
needs
and
really
weighing
the
minimal
savings
to
the
average
household
through
a
tax-free
against
the
disproportionate
cost
and
impact
of
those
who
most
need
these
city
services.
Thank
you.
D
D
W
I
mean
obviously,
yes,
the
tax
tax
levy,
the
2.5
percent,
is
a
drop
in
the
bucket
of
what
is
needed,
but
I
think.
It
is
also
that
we
see
delegates
showing
up
time
into
time
again
on
these
issues
of
budgets,
even
when
it's
small
amounts,
because
we
see
that
the
city's
choices
council's
decisions
about
where
that
money
goes
is
reflective
of
our
overall
priorities.
W
And
we
want
to
see
a
city
council
that
reflects
the
priorities
of
the
city
and
whether
or
not
that
is
a
solution
to
the
the
long
term
and
the
full
extent
of
the
needs
that
we
need
to
assess
I.
Think
even
just
developing
trust
among
among
the
constituents
and
the
residents
really
gets
reflected
in
the
decisions
that
are
made
even
at
least
these
smaller
scales.
A
W
I
mean
I
think
it
is
important
that
we
need
to
consider
that
that
additional,
so
on
top
of
whatever
tax
increase,
that
as
Sam
and
some
of
the
other
delegates
have
mentioned,
that
that
fees,
that
Transit
fees
are
a
form
of
Taxation,
and
so
if
we
are
also
increasing
those,
we
are
further
taxing
on
top
of
of
those
residents.
Those
residential
taxes
and
so
I.
W
Think
that
that
we
should,
we
really
should
prioritize
keeping
the
if
we
want
to
tie
it
to
housing,
affordability,
to
increasing
access
and
options
for
housing
across
the
board.
That
a
very
simple
way
is
to
try
to
at
least
freeze,
Transit
and
and,
if
not
start,
to
reduce
transit
fares
that
had
we
been
given
the
option
of
a
hundred
dollars
a
month
as
being
our
our
increase
Transit
fee
that
would
have
opened.
You
know
another
radius
of
homes
that
we
could
have
been
looking
at,
we
could
have
been.
W
X
Good
morning
guys
just
a
reminder:
we
are
on
the
traditional
territories
of
Algonquin
and
Mohawk
territories.
My
first
presentation
of
federal
in
the
21
years
I've
been
here
LRT
commission
said
the
people
of
Ottawa
deserves
accountability.
Some
on
Council
and
mayor's
officer
telling
Ottawa
our
elected
officials
are
making
decisions
for
the
citizens
of
Ottawa.
True,
what
is
the
definition
of
accountability?
X
We
don't
have
a
total
amount
of
legal
spent
on
the
Westboro
bus
crash.
We
don't
have
totals
from
the
legal
on
the
collapsed
tunnels
by
University
and
Regal
Street.
We
don't
have
totals
on
the
legal
fight
whether
to
get
out
of
the
public-private
partnership.
We
don't
have
totals
of
the
recent
shutdown
of
the
LRT.
Only
thing
we
have
on
public
marketers
are
our
current
city
clerk,
an
unelected
official
telling
people
well
I.
X
Don't
we
won't
see
those
numbers,
because
the
legal
reasons
my
life
on
paratransol
has
sucked
on
these
decisions
that
could
improve
para
transfer,
100
percent.
Our
numbers
can
keep
increasing,
but
others
keep
getting
rewards
for
their
Transit
recent
decisions
on
the
on
proposed
using
paratransport
bus
for
conventional.
X
Our
last
thing,
setting
the
percentage
to
every
year
doesn't
help
make
sound
decisions
and
in
a
way
it
is
unelected
officials
making
decisions
for
you
and
your
rubber,
stamping
them
certain
presenters.
Certain
percentages
there's
an
easy
way
out
in
the
budget
system
that
is
failing,
Ordinary
People
of
autism.
What
will
I
really
want
to
know-
and
my
fellow
group
members
at
Ottawa
Transit
Riders
group-
want
to
know
what
will
good
service
cost
for
C
transfer?
X
C
M
Yeah,
thank
you.
Mayor,
I
I
was
looking
through
the
the
budget
directions
report
and
I
was
a
bit
confused
because
last
year
we
had
an
agreement
around
this
table
that
we
would
come
back
this
year
with
differentiated
buckets
based
on
Council
priorities.
We
passed
a
motion
together
to
do
that
last
budget
directions
so
but
I'm
seeing
the
same
thing
again:
I'm
seeing
2.5
percent
right
across
the
board,
no
differential
and
so
for
public
health.
M
That
means
an
extra
million
bucks
for
the
auditor
General's
office
who's
been
telling
us
she's
been
having
problems
with
resources.
It
means
an
extra
hundred
and
ten
thousand
dollars
for
our
police.
It
means
an
extra
over
13
million
right.
So
we
we
talked
about
this.
Last
year
we
passed
a
motion
about
it.
We
didn't
just
talk
about.
We
passed
a
motion,
Council
passed,
emotion,
collectively
and
so
I,
don't
know
where
that
is
in
the
report.
M
I'm
not
seeing
it
there
I'm
not
seeing
any
differentiation
between
those
buckets
number
one
and
number
two
I'm,
not
seeing
the
rest
of
what
that
motion
spoke
about,
which
was
that
we
were
going
to
have
an
elevated
process
of
consultation.
I'm
saying
the
same
thing
same
thing:
we've
been
doing
year
after
year,
so
I
guess
the
question
to
you
mayor
and
to
staff
is
what
happened
with
that
motion.
Where
is
the
information
that
we
were
supposed
to
see
as
a
result
of
council
unanimously
passing
that
motion
I'm
not
seeing
it
here.
J
I
M
J
I
guess
I'll
have
to
bring
up
that
motion,
but
to
be
clear,
what
you
have
in
front
of
you
right
now
is
basically,
as
per
the
term
of
council
governance
review,
which
speaks
to
the
setting
City
Treasurer's
Chief
finance
officer
would
bring
forward.
A
report
speaks
to
the
tax
increase
and
the
pro
rata
share
allocation
to
the
boards
and
commissions,
so
the
2.5
percent
is
allocated
to
each
of
the
boards
and
the
commissions,
as
well
as
the
assessment
growth
provider
share,
teach
those
that
that
aligns
to
the
the
governance
review
from
a
tournament.
J
Council
priorities
perspective.
We
will
be
flushing
that
out
in
one
of
the
documents
that
we
reference
in
the
transmittal
report
or
the
directions
report,
we
will
be
bringing
forward
a
new
transmittal
type
report
and
in
that
report
we'll
have
additional
information
in
terms
of
key
areas.
Alignments
to
the
term
accounts
of
priorities
which
were
just
passed
in
June
and
where
that
kind
of
resides
with
the
budgets.
So
there
will
be
a
new
documentation,
a
new
level
of
detail,
included
in
the
tabling
of
the
budget
documents
and,
lastly,
I
your
last
question
in
terms
of
Engagement.
J
So
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
do
differently
this
year
is
immediately
following
the
adoption
of
the
2023
budget.
I
met
with
reached
out
teach
individually
met
with
each
of
you.
We
did
a
resident
survey
right
following
the
2023
budget.
We
got
those
results.
Those
are
part
of
the
feedback
that
we
list
in
this
report
and
it's
also
part
of
the
considerations
that
we
will
be
building
and
including
an
additional
documentation
that
will
bring
forward
through
the
tailing
documents.
J
I've
also
met
with
several
Community
groups
in
the
meetings
scheduled
with
additional
Community
groups
as
well
meetings
with
your
each
of
the
counselors
individually
with
the
mayor's
office
city
manager,
myself
have
already
been
set
up
as
well,
which
is
earlier
than
normal.
We
have
you
know
we
are
continuing
to
leverage
engagement,
we're
doing
a
technical
briefing
on
the
budget.
101.
again,
that's
a
new
product
I
will
be
doing
additional
meetings
as
well,
where
needed
so
there's
a
number
of
new
things
that
we
are
doing.
J
M
But
what
I'm
seeing
in
front
of
us
is
an
across
the
board
approach,
the
same
as
we
all
we've
always
had
year
after
year,
and
so
I
guess
before
Council.
What
I'd
be
looking
for
is
how
exactly
are
you
going
to
exercise
what
council
passed,
which
was
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
priorities,
everyone's
just
not
getting
the
same
thing?
People
some
people
and
departments
need
more
because
they've
been
historically
underfunded
and
others,
perhaps
they're
not
doing
as
well
and
might
not
get
as
much
right.
M
I
want
to
see
some
prioritization
based
on
outcomes
so,
and
the
motion
was
very
clear
that
seconded
by
the
mayor
that
we
were
going
to
do
this
right.
So
we
passed
that
motion
together
and
all
of
council
passed
it
that
we
were
going
to
do
this
and
I'm
not
seeing
it
here.
I'm
not
seeing
reflected
so
I
guess.
C
What
that
be
sorry
to
jump
in,
but
wouldn't
that
be
I
mean.
First
of
all,
we
are
still
reflecting
priorities
in
the
budget
based
on
the
decisions
we
make
about
where
money
will
be
allocated
from
the
smallest
detail,
to
the
to
the
largest
portion
of
the
budget,
we're
always
prioritizing,
but
wouldn't
any
decisions
about
allocating
more
resources
to
one
particular
budget
and
fewer
to
another
budget,
be
something
that
would
be
part
of
the
process
from
this
point
forward.
Would
that
not
be
the
case.
J
Mr
Mayor,
that
is
correct,
so
this
gives
us
the
limit
to
work
within
then,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
presentation,
it
doesn't
account
for
any
additional
user
fees,
service,
review
efficiencies,
continuous
Improvement
efficiencies,
which
all
commission
boards
and
departments
are
aligned
to
doing
so
that
will
be
part
of
the
budget
build
and
that
well,
we
that's
where
we
will
be
going
through
and
aligning
those
two
priorities
again.
Each
department
is
not
given
an
allocated
base
amount
within
the
services.
M
So
just
I
guess
before
Council
mayor
or
on
this
item
be
helpful
for
me
to
just
see
how
we're
enacting
the
motion
that
that
we
passed
in
in
writing
and
to
potentially
update
that
based
on
the
directions
from
Council
from
last
year,
because
I
think
we're
not
served
well
with
just
a
everyone's
getting
2.5
percent
have
at
it
right
doesn't
doesn't
make
sense
with
the
the
way
our
budget's
allocated.
Public
Health
only
has
a
certain
amount
of
money,
so
2.5
percent
doesn't
equate
to
a
lot
for
them.
M
Motion
about
budget
directions
right
so
that
that's
what
I'm
getting
at
is
this
sets
the
framework
and
we
did
speak
about
it
in
the
motion.
So
look
at
I
think
there's
work
to
do
before
the
the
council
meeting
on
this
and
I'm
happy
to
work
with
with
staff
and
yourself
to
to
make
sure
this
happens
at
least
to
outline
the
process
of
how
how
this
will
occur,
that
it's
not
just
going
to
be
across
the
board
right.
M
So
on
the
overall
piece
in
here
I'm
having
some
trouble
with
it,
I
think
our
current
inflation
rate
is
3.3
percent.
It's
come
down,
obviously
from
the
6.3
percent.
Previously,
we've
heard
councilor
Gower
speak
about
a
potential
increase
in
rates
today,
I,
don't
know
it's
after
10
a.m
and
off
the
bank
is
announced,
something
or
not,
but
obviously
it's
it's
been
a
struggle
for
a
lot
of
people,
but
a
2.5
tax
increase
essentially
amounts
to
a
cut
based
on
where
inflation
is
I
know.
M
City
of
Auto
inflation
is
usually
larger
as
well
right.
We
got
a
lot
of
contracts
that
we're
having
to
ensure
that
we're
funding
and
we
have
a
lot
of
road
building
which
has
added
a
lot
of
additional
increases
recently,
so
really
difficult
for
us
to
I
think
keep
Pace
with
the
service
requests
that
are
coming
in
in
our
Awards.
M
When
we're
looking
at
that
across
the
board
approach,
so
I
think
you
know,
we
need
to
make
sure
we're
looking
at
the
municipal
price
index,
obviously
you're
going
to
create
a
municipal
price
index,
but
I
understand
that
you're
not
getting
that
before
approving
the
budget
Direction.
So
can
you
just
explain
further
the
municipal
price
index
that
we
talked
about
last
budget
cycle
and
then
what
you're?
Considering
for
this?
This
cycle.
J
Mr
Mayor,
yes,
so
we're
bringing
forward
the
MPI
report
in
October.
That's
when
we're
scheduling
that
forward,
so
we've
been
staff
been
doing
a
review
on
that
and
just
as
a
reminder
as
I
stated
in
the
2023
budget
process,
we
do
go
through
an
owner's
process
in
terms
of
our
inflation
indicators.
48
of
our
budget
is
directly
related
to
compensation,
which
is
directly
related
to
Collective
agreements.
The
significant
number
of
our
Collective
agreements
have
settled
for
2024
below
the
two
percent,
so
from
a
racial
perspective,
that's
the
largest
component.
J
We
also
have,
in
our
edging
contract,
feel
as
a
big
big
driver
as
well
we're
actually
seeing
a
reduction
there,
so
we
use
the
even
in
the
CPI
for
6.3
for
Capital
we're
seeing
three
right
now
as
our
Benchmark.
The
projections
is
to
get
that
down
to
two
in
2024,
but
three
is
what
we're
using
today,
but
as
a
percentage
perspective
in
your
total
budget,
it
doesn't
mean
that
we
need
three
percent
globally
to
increase
everything,
because
it's
a
smaller
percentage.
J
Some
of
our
areas
like
water,
water,
is
two
percent
some
of
our
contracts,
where
we
have
two
or
three
sign
year:
contracts,
the
annual
inflation
there's
two
percent,
so
we
look
at
every
depending
on
the
service,
the
contract
and
the
utility.
That's
how
we
kind
of
factor
in
that
our
electricity
is
that
I
think
is
just
over
four
percent,
so
we
will
lay
all
that
out
in
the
MPI
report.
M
Glad
to
see
we're
creating
that
Minister
price
index
be
really
interested
to
see.
I
know
our
construction
contracts
have
gone
way
up.
We've
had
a
lot
of
those
that
inflation
there
so
I'm
interested
to
see
where
that
lands,
I
have
to
say
mayor
I,
don't
think
we
should
be
increasing
trans
Affairs
this
year,
2.5
percent
I
think
we're
struggling
with
ridership
in
the
first
place.
M
M
J
So
Mr
Mayor,
just
so
I'm
clear
if
we
do
a
fair
freeze,
what
that
correlation
increase
would
be
required
on
the
levy.
I
think
that's
what
you're
asking
that's
right,
yeah,
so
approximately
a
fair
freeze
would
be
approximately
about
3.8
million
dollar
impact
and
that
would
correlate
to
about
a
one
percent
increase
on
the
transit
Levy.
But,
what's
important
to
note
is
the
the
compounding
impact
of
a
fair
freeze?
J
M
C
That
is
time,
councilman
art,
so
he's
welcome
to
get
back
in
line
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
something,
though
you
you
referred
to
inflation
as
being
at
about
3.3
and
therefore
at
2.5
percent
tax
increase,
meaning
that
we're
cut
effectively
cutting.
But
is
it
not
true
that
our
revenues
are
increasing
by
four
percent
because
of
growth
anticipated
at
1.5
percent?
So
if
indeed,
inflation
is
at
3.3
percent
and
the
tax
increase
is
a
2.5
percent
and
growth
is
at
1.5
percent.
We're
actually
investing
more
money
proportionally
not
not
cutting.
Is
that
accurate,
Mr,
Merida.
A
J
A
Y
Y
But
in
some,
regardless
of
how
the
budget
is
adopted
and
has
to
be
adopted
in
Courts
at
the
municipal
act
and
regulations,
council
is
not
bound
by
whatever
Direction
This
is
guidance
at
this
point,
but
ultimately,
the
the
adoption
of
the
budget
will
be
governed
by
Bill
3
and
the
regulations
and
not
is
not
set.
Today.
A
So
when
we
get
a
budget
in
front
of
us
that
is
tabled
and
we're
looking
and
those
persistent
issues
in
our
Awards,
the
ones
that
we
cannot
seem
to
solve,
because
the
resources
are
not
there,
we
can't
get
recycling
in
Parks
expanded.
We
can't
get
those
sidewalk
cracks
and
those
potholes
finally
fix
properly.
A
We
can't
get
bylaw
to
enforce
to
the
degree
that
residents
expect.
We
can't
get.
You
know
the
speed
humps
and
the
traffic
calming
and
the
creative
Traffic
Solutions
that
people
are
looking
for.
When
we
look
at
the
budget
and
say,
can
we
get
these
things
that
residents
have
a
right
to
expect
that
their
city
is
going
to
provide?
Y
Y
It
is
then
open
to
the
mayor
to
veto
that
Amendment
and
is
then
open
to
council
to
overturn
that
event
and
the
the
details
as
to
how
all
this
works
will
be
explained.
More
will
be
set
out
in
the
the
kind
of
the
budget
briefing
memo
that
my
office
and
and
Mr
O'connor's
office
would
have
previously
pair
jointly
and
we'll
now
just
be
prepared
jointly,
but
that
is
the
essence
of
it.
Okay,.
X
A
Z
A
Helpful
and
and
just
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
not
going
to
support
setting
a
two
and
a
half
percent
increase
today.
I
think
it's
an
arbitrary
number.
Last
year,
I
get
paid
26
times
a
year.
I
have
a
house
that
is
worth
pretty
much
exactly
what
an
average
home
in
Ottawa
is
worth.
It's
assessed
at
that
in
2021,
2022
I
put
away
222
dollars
every
pay
into
my
taxes.
D
J
Mr
Mayor.
Obviously,
a
lot
of
work
has
been
done
specifically
when
I
look
at
one
of
the
main
ones.
In
my
in
my
department,
the
Fleet
Service
review
we're
well
on
track
to
present
some
savings.
I,
don't
like
to
give
a
number
before
we
have
the
final
review
final.
You
know
across
the
t's
dot
the
eyes,
because
then
the
number
sticks,
but
there
will
be
significant
Savings
in
the
millions.
Yes,
I,
don't
proceed.
J
J
D
D
D
D
D
D
The
report
also
identifies
a
number
of
ways
that
staff
are
looking
at
to
find
new
Revenue
sources
or
savings.
The
on-demand
pilot
that's
being
explored,
we'll
have
details
on
that
in
our
next
Transit
Commission.
Meeting
deferral
of
capital
projects,
the
root
review,
Fair
increases
in
property
tax
levy.
Are
there
I
I
think
we
need
both
of
those
I
think
that
we're
in
a
very
difficult
financial
situation
and
we're
going
to
need
both
of
those
and
I
think
we
also
need
to
be
looking
at
other
Revenue
sources.
D
There
have
been
a
few
that
come
up
that
have
come
up
today
through
delegations
and
through
council
members
and
I.
Do
wonder
if
that
2.5
tax
levy
is
enough?
I
think
it's
one
lever.
We
have
to
try
to
make
our
budget
whole,
but
I'm
also
concerned
about
cost
of
living.
That
I
mentioned
before
a
lot
of
pressure
on
everyone
in
our
city,
due
to
the
rising
rate
of
pretty
much
everything.
D
I
almost
think
it's
unfair,
sometimes
that
we
come
in
as
a
city
and
although
your
phone
bill's
going
up
and
your
your
gas
bill
is
going
up
and
you're
paying
more
income
tax
to
the
government
and
so
on
and
so
on.
At
the
city
we
always
seem
to
be
like
the
last,
the
last
defense
on
that,
but
I
do
think
we
need
to
be
as
fiscally
responsible
and
as
conservative
as
as
we
can,
because
it
makes
a
big
difference.
D
So
this
is
a
direction
to
staff
that
we're
we're
giving
today
to
to
budget
based
on
that
2.5
percent.
I
think
that's
prudent,
but
we're
gonna
have
to
see
the
final
numbers
in
front
of
us
and
be
really
aware
of
what
the
implications
of
that
are
either
way.
So
thanks
staff
for
the
presentation-
and
that's
it
for
me.
Thanks.
AA
AB
C
AA
AA
K
K
AA
V
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
and
thank
you
for
start
for
the
presentation
and
to
delegates
for
coming
out
today
and
and
expressing
their
concern.
Definitely
we
need
services
for
for
our
for
our
residents
and
I
wanted
to
address
the
concerns.
There's
many
concerns
that
have
been
raised,
but
I
want
to
focus
on
the
cycle
infrastructure.
V
We
heard
from
a
delegate
who
was
actually
pulled
over
by
police
for
riding
his
bike
on
the
road
and
I.
Don't
know
how
many
times
I've
heard
from
residents
complaining
about
cyclists
on
sidewalks-
and
this
is
part
of
our
climate
change
Focus-
that
we
need
to
have
that
cycle
infrastructure
to
make
people
feel
safe
and
and
give
them
that
option,
which
is
makes
us
a
better
City
and
I
just
want
to
know
how
active
transportation
is
being
considered.
V
I
realize
we
have
a
climate
change
lens,
a
climate
lens,
but
I
I'm
concerned
it's
interesting.
This
happened
on
Maitland,
which
is
actually
a
focus
that
we're
working
on
that
I'm
working
on
with
councilor
Johnson,
because
we're
involving
the
MTO
and
we
have
an
opportunity
to
make
it
safer
coming
up
very
soon
when
the
bridge
gets
replaced
or
the
overpass.
So
I
want
to
know
if
this
can
be
prioritized.
J
V
Yeah
and
just
to
remind
yourself
and
our
active
Transportation
team,
this
is
time
sensitive,
because
this
is
coming
up
soon.
This
is
a
about
an
overpass
replacement.
As
you
know,
the
MTO
does
these,
so
they
have
a
tight
schedule,
and
so
we
need
to
work
with
them
very
closely
and
I
appreciate
the
cooperation
with
my
my
my
colleague,
councilor
Johnson
of
college
board
on
this,
because
in
her
board
it's
equally
important
and
and
helpful
and
will
make
residents
safer.
V
One
of
the
driving
factors
is
the
fact
that
stage
two
is
behind
schedule
and
particularly
in
my
ward
This
concerns
me,
because
we
had
at
first
anticipated
way
back
that
2024
was
the
big
year
that
we
were
switching
over
to
stage
two
and,
of
course,
that's
not
happening.
It's
still
2026
if
we're
lucky,
and
that
means
that
the
bus
routes
have
to
continue.
I
want
to
raise
that
concern,
because
this
was
probably
not
budgeted
in
the
long
term,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
my
residents
aren't
shortchanged
because
of
this
delay.
AC
Mr
Mayor
the
the
budget
for
next
year,
will
be
based
upon
the
current
service
that
we're
running
not
assuming
anything
about
the
the
opening
of
the
the
Westerly
extensions
of
the
O
train,
but
will
also
be
guided
by
the
results
of
the
root
review
which
all
counselors
and
many
many
customers
were
part
of
and
where
the
analysis
continues.
Now.
AC
V
AD
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
in
terms
of
the
the
shortfall
we're
looking
at
for
2023
councilor
Gower
asked
a
question:
I
had
about
this
service
review,
but
aside
from
that,
do
you
have
any
idea
sort
of
where
we
might
be
looking
like?
Is
it
largely
going
to
come
from
the
savings
from
the
service
review,
or
is
there
something
else
that
you're
looking
at
too
make
up
the
difference?.
J
Mr
Mayor,
so
you're
referring
to
deficit
for
2023,
projected
yeah
yeah
so
right
now
the
current
projection
is
a
6.8
million.
Approximately
deficit
for
tax
supported
services
that
would
have
to
come
from
the
tax
stabilization
Reserve,
so
the
First
Source
we
would
go
to
would
be
the
tax
stabilization
Reserve.
J
Mr
Mayor,
so
the
continuing
discretionary
spending
freeze,
which
you
have
in
place,
the
hiring
Paul's
with
respect
to
where
there's
no
impact
of
Frontline
Services
there's
an
hiring
policy
review
in
place.
We're
still
trying
to
you
know
come
out
of
the
pandemic.
Where
there's
a
number
of
vacancies
that
you
know,
Staffing
is
starting
to
turn.
J
It's
been
a
real
struggle
to
stop
positions
in
the
city
and
elsewhere
in
across
the
city,
but
we're
seeing
a
little
shift
now,
where
we
are
getting
kind
of
getting
back
in
track
in
terms
of
good
kind
of
pulling
skill
set.
So
we
are
looking
at
our
staffing
as
well
in
terms
of
where
there's
no
impact
to
Services.
Okay,.
AD
I
I
can
start
and
zero
can
add.
To
my
answer,
I
mean
the
hope
is
to
fill
the
positions
that
we
will
have
a
balanced
budget
when
we
bring
that
to
council.
But
what
we
do
have
built
into
the
budget
every
year
is
a
bit
of
gapping.
So
we
know
that
there's
going
to
be
some
turnover
and
that's
built
in
so
you're
going
to
see
that
as
we
bring
the
budget
forward.
J
It's
great
questions:
if
you
don't
mind,
I'll
I'll,
add
some
content
to
that.
You
know,
as
we
stated
in
2022
and
to
2023
budget
process,
you
know
all
organizations
were
challenged
with
staffing
issues,
just
the
nature
of
coming
to
the
pandemic.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we're
looking
at
we're
doing
a
deep
dive
right
now
in
terms
of
our
temporary
staffing,
as
you
recall,
old
pH.
As
an
example,
throughout
the
pandemic
at
over
3000
temporary
positions,
we
did
lots
of
shifts
around
Parks
and
Rec
all
that
stuff
that
we
previously
communicated.
J
So
one
of
the
things
we're
doing
now,
we're
trying
to
you
know
HR
as
part
of
my
portfolio
we're
trying
to
restabilize.
The
kind
of
you
know
bring
people
back
in
terms
of
refocusing
because
now
we're
moving
forward.
So
that's
part
of
the
review
we're
doing
right
now
is
you
know
aligning
our
vacancies,
removing
the
temporary
positions
making
the
permit
where
it
makes
sense
just
to
restabilize
our
internal
Workforce,
so
we
can
move
forward.
So
that's
part
of
the
process
that
we're
also
doing
right
now.
Okay,.
AD
Thank
you
and
I
do
have
a
couple
questions
just
about
the
Community
Partners
insurance
program.
I
recognize
it's
a
bit
granular
for
the
overall
budget
directions,
but
since
we
we
started
a
conversation
and
certainly
lots
of
frustration
in
the
community,
it's
been
dragging
for
a
bit
so
I
guess
to
David
White.
Where
are
we
at
in
that
process?.
Y
Mayor
in
the
context
of
that,
through
the
the
last
renewal
prove
challenging
in
that
there
was
only
one
insurer
that
was
prepared
to
to
show
any
interest
in
supporting
the
program
which
is
in
part
which,
what
drives
some
of
those
elements
of
it.
In
that
context,
the
program
was
renewed
in
its
current
state
for
the
and
the
renewal
of
that
program,
the
its
annual
it
runs
June
to
June.
Y
So
it
exists
in
that
state
staff
are
currently
looking
at
a
variety
of
options
in
that
way,
and
that
extends
to
the
program
itself,
which
is
in
essence
a
in
a
sort
of
funding
challenge
and
working
with
with
Dan
Chang.
His
team
on
that
the
other
part,
and-
and
this
is
alluded
to
through
the
the
comments
which
is
you
know,
how
might
the
city
go
about
kind
of
minimizing
or
mitigating
the
impact
of
its
own?
Y
Of
the,
for
example,
the
insurance
costs
that
it
imposes
where
groups
are
looking
to
participate
in
City
programs
or
receive
a
city
Grant
or
these
kinds
of
things,
and
we
take
a
more
let's
say,
robust
and
flexible
risk
management
approach
in
that
regard,
and
perhaps
roll
some
of
those
back
rather
than
imposing
them
kind
of
by
rote.
So
that's
the
work
and
that
is
Target
getting
again
as
discussed.
That
would
be
targeting
the
November
fedco
meeting.
Okay.
AD
AD
AD
You
know
even
even
just
that
you
can
get
an
insurance
certificate
with
a
Park
rental.
For
example,
I
don't
know
if
everybody
knows
that
so
I
think
you
know.
I'll
leave
this
with
you,
but
I
think
holding
a
similar
Forum
would
be
very
helpful
either
in
the
lead
up
or
after
we
we
get
the
report
recommendations,
preferably
in
advance,
but
thank
you.
N
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Mayor
and
I
have
a
direction
for
staff
on
this
very
issue.
Counselor
kit,
so
I
think
we're
going
to
be
covered
off
well,
but
I
just
did
want
to
take
the
opportunity
to
ask
staff
directly
what
has
happened
with
communication
with
community
members
and
councils
who
have
been
engaged
on
this
issue
since
the
winter.
Y
Mayor
as
again
staff
reached
it
appreciating
that
the
the
scope
of
this
program
has
always
been
a
challenge
and
the
reason
they
say
that
is
because
you
know
you
can
hearken
back
to
the
expression.
What's
in
a
name
as
as
kind
of
foreseen,
when
this
first
came
forward
in
2001
the
scope
of
a
program
that
would
look
at
the
insurance
needs
of
groups
operating
in
the
community
right
now,
there
are
approximately
120
to
130
that
are
that
are
kind
of
captured
by
that
that
0-1
Council
decision.
Y
One
thing
I
would
note,
and
this
this
gets
to
the
structure
of
the
program
and
the
the
information
sessions
that
have
been
held
is
that
you
know
there
may
be
some
misconception
on
this.
The
rink
operators,
which,
which
tended
to
be
a
large
component
of
it,
are
no
longer
part
of
the
Community
Partners
insurance
program.
Y
N
So
certainly,
you
know
I'm
I'm,
encouraged
by
the
fact
that
staff
recognize
the
complexity
and
breadth
of
the
insurance
issue,
as
councilor
leaper
was
describing.
We
have
many
instances
in
which
community
members
have
a
really
great
idea
on
how
to
support
their
communities
and
find
roadblocks
Financial
roadblocks
when
they
try
and
execute
on
them,
and
you
know,
certainly
within
my
own
Ward
I-
have
had
one
Community
Association
kenson
Park
that
had
to
close
another
one.
N
City
View
was
mentioned
by
Mr
Cullen
in
terms
of
having
to
drop
Project
funding
because
they
couldn't
secure
the
insurance
in
time,
and
so
this
is
not
the
kind
of
encouragement
that
we
want
to
give
to
communities.
So
without
a
doubt,
scoping
out
a
project
is
as
broad
as
we
have
I
think
is
the
right
solution
and
I
look
forward
to
Dan
chanye's
Uber,
complicated
spreadsheet.
That
will
accompany
this
report
in
November
7th.
N
But
what
has
I
think
happened
as
an
unintended
consequence
is
that
we
have
failed
to
communicate
with
community
members
in
a
time
where
they
were
asked
to
create
more
financial
stress
for
themselves
and
that
I
think
left
people
feeling
very
discouraged
and
I'll
be
honest.
These
are
you
know
the
spiciest
words
I'll
ever
use,
but
I've
been
feeling
very
frustrated
as
well.
N
I
have
been
feeling
like
I
have
been
chasing
this
answer
since
the
spring
and
I
haven't
been
able
to
have
a
a
simple
solution,
and
so
no
means
do
I
like
to
bring
that
to
committee
here,
but
for
this
instance,
I
want
to
assure
my
communities
that
we
have
been
working
to
try
and
get
this
off
the
floor,
and
my
direction
will
actually
be
able
to
finally
put
a
point
on
when
this
is
delivered.
But
just
further
to
this,
and
thank
you
for
the
the
Indulgence
mayor.
N
N
Although
I
appreciate
counselor
leaper's
idea
of
putting
a
dollar
figure
on
it,
if
you
actually
do
the
you
know
do
a
bit
of
a
dive
on
what
it
looks
like
for
a
dollar
figure
for
volunteer
hours.
Often
it's
hard
to
calculate
because
in
a
moment
where
someone
needs
their
medicine
or
their
breast
milk
to
be
put
in
a
fridge
in
a
freaking
dirt
direct
show
that's
priceless
right,
like
all
of
a
sudden
that
is
not
2104
an
hour,
and
so
we
have
the
power
here.
We
are
the
institution.
N
We
are
the
city,
and
so
we
can
do
better
and
we
should
hold
ourselves
to
a
better
standard
in
communicating
with
those
communities
that
rise
up
in
those
occasions
where
we
cannot
deliver
and
I'll
I'll
be
pursuing
this
between
now
and
and
November
and
within
the
direction
that
Menard
will
read
in
for
me
and
I
appreciate
that
immensely
it
has
a
reflection
of
of
consultation
for
counselors
and
for
committees
or
communities,
so
we'll
work
together
to
get
something
like
that
off
the
ground.
Counselor.
Kids,
if
you
like,
thank
you.
AE
AE
The
very
next
day
budget
planning
for
this
year
began
right
budget
is,
you
know
every
single
day
of
the
year,
and
so
the
mayor,
councilor,
Carr
and
I
sent
out
an
email
to
all
of
you
explaining
what
we're
doing
on
this
service
review,
and
hopefully
you
all
read
it,
but
a
lot
more
to
come
as
well,
but
not
all
of
it
necessarily
for
this
budget.
But
just
so
you
know,
I
mean
every
Department
presents
to
us
and
talks
about
what
they're
planning
to
do
internally
and
what
their
own
processes
are,
but
to
come.
AE
I
think
next
week
now
this
week
and
next
week
we
have
about
15
presentations
and
from
every
group
you
can
imagine
and
potentially
more
to
come,
but
all
the
Departments
again
Union.
All
the
union
groups,
Hydro
Ottawa
Ottawa
Public,
Health,
Ottawa,
Public,
Library
Ottawa
Police
Service.
The
list
goes
on
and
on
OC
transfo
again
will
talk
to
us
and
give
us
ideas
for
budgets
to
come
right,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
us
as
a
group
that
have
to
decide
if
we
like
these
ideas
right.
AE
The
comment
about
the
2.5
across
the
board.
I
mean
we
didn't
do
that.
Last
year,
I
mean
budgets
were
all
over
the
map,
as
you
can
imagine,
and
remember
like
that's.
Not
something
we
would
do
say
everybody
you
get
2.5
or
really
four,
if
you
add
the
two
together,
because
that
wouldn't
make
any
sense,
so
we
didn't
do
that
last
year
and
we
wouldn't
be
doing
it
again.
AE
The
other
thing
I
was
going
to
say
to
you
is
that
you
know
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
Municipal
land
transfer
tax
that
Toronto
has
with
their
Toronto
act
that
we
don't
have
right.
If
that's
something
you
want
to
look
at,
then
that
that
will
entail
a
process.
How
do
you
go
about
doing
that?
Ask
the
premier,
if
that's
okay,
do
you
want
to
do
that?
What
does
that
do
to
people
who
are
selling
their
properties
and
and
how
happy
will
they
be,
and
how
much
can
they
afford
that?
AE
So,
when
we
get
a
budget
direction,
we
get
a
budget
presented
to
us
at
the
end
of
the
day.
It's
up
to
us
to
say
whether
or
not
we
agree
with
these
things
right.
It's
not
like
you
know.
Staff
are
going
to
tell
us
what
it's
going
to
be
and
that's
the
end
of
the
conversation
so
I
just
leave
it
that
I'm
agreeing
with
the
direct
the
direction
glad
to
hear
it
and
just
that
there's
a
lot
more
to
come.
M
M
J
Mr
Mayor!
Yes,
so
we
are,
you
know,
pretty
far
advanced
in
the
updated
housing
long-range
financial
plan
as
I
committed
to
during
2023
budget.
Again.
This
is
another
prime
example
where
it
will
be
a
true
correlation
alignment
to
determine
Council
priorities,
and
we
will
be
presenting
that
in
the
fall
as
well.
You
know
you
recall
a
couple
weeks
ago,
the
vut
that's
going
to
be
a
big
component
in
terms
of
the
incremental
funding
that
we'll
be
leveraging
as
part
of
that
review
of
the
the
housing
non-range
financial
plan,
refresh.
M
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
On
the
municipal
land
transfer
tax
appreciate
councilor
Curry's
comments
have
have
I.
My
understanding
against
staff
have
asked
the
province
for
that
in
the
past,
they've
actually
requested
some
information
from
The
Province
on
Municipal
and
transportation.
Whether
municipality,
Steve
Ottawa
would
be
open
to
have
that
tool
that
the
city
of
Toronto
currently
has
is.
That
is
that
accurate.
M
J
M
That's
good
food
for
thought
for
future
councils
on
that
piece.
Mayor
I
do
need
to
just
go
back
to
that:
2.5
increase
in
the
inflation
rate
and
and
the
growth
so
just
to
break
this
down
into
its
pieces.
The
growth
we
speak
about
comes
from
from
new
housing.
Is
that
correct?
Okay?
This
comes
from
new
housing,
so
does
that
new
housing
cost
money
to
serve.
J
Mr
Mayor,
it
does
so
so
maybe
if
I'll
try
and
give
a
little
bit
of
a
simplified
background
on
this,
the
DC
background
is
a
very
complex
tool
that
we
use
in
terms
of
growth,
specifically
beyond
the
infrastructure
side.
In
that
process,
we
break
down
what
you
would
know
as
the
BTE
so
benefit
to
existing,
so
even
even
from
a
capital
infrastructure.
There's
always
a
component
that
benefits
the
existing.
J
When
you
look
at
operating,
it
would
literally
be
you
know,
not
impossible,
but
very
owners
to
kind
of
determine
that
split
in
terms
of
benefit
to
existing
from
an
operating
assessment
property
tax.
If
you
follow
so
something
as
simple
as
like
your
winter
operations,
as
I
spoke
with
you
about
in
the
past,
as
more
streets
get
added
to
the
system,
obviously
just
more
Lane
climbers
to
go.
J
We
also,
you
know:
we've
increased
the
winter
operations
budget
significantly
over
the
years,
so
we
don't
just
arbitrarily
increase
it
based
on
a
true
Lane
kilometer,
because
we
also
gotta
look
at
the
seasonality
impact
in
terms
of
the
weather
events.
So
yes,
this
winter
season,
we've
seen
an
extraordinary
Outside
The
Five-Year
average
past
three
years
we've
had
surpluses
and
winter
operations,
so
it
always
comes
down
to
that
mix.
Where
you
know
growth
in
some
years.
J
M
It's
understandable,
I,
just
I,
guess
I'm,
just
making
the
point
that
the
growth
that
we're
seeing
like
above
that
2.5
percent,
that
1.5
in
growth,
is
from
new
housing
that
new
housing
is
not
free
to
the
city.
It
costs
us
money
to
serve
that
housing.
So
you
can't
just
add
on
that
new
money
that
we're
receiving
and
say
that.
That's
all
that
positive,
that
money,
ostensibly
is
supposed
to
be
used
a
portion
of
it
anyway
to
serve
those
new
homes
and
new
housing
right.
M
So
it's
not
just
like
a
four
percent
increase
overall
that
money
has
to
serve
the
new
houses
that
we're
growing
with.
So
yes,
there's
a
there's
funds
there
that
come
in,
but
those
funds
are
being
used
to
service
the
new
housing.
That's
coming
on
and
so
I
think.
The
point
of
this
is
that,
even
though
there's
new
growth,
the
growth
costs,
money
and
growth
doesn't
always
pay
for
growth
in
our
city,
depending
on
where
you
build,
so
that
that's
the
point
that
I
was
trying
to
make
earlier
mayor
on
transit
fares.
M
So
I
do
need
to
to
highlight
this
because
I
think
I
heard
the
chairs
say
that
we
need
both.
We
need
the
fair
increase
and
the,
and
that
surprises
me,
the
fair
increase
and
the
levy
and
I'm
hoping
we
change
our
mind.
Change
Minds
on
that,
because
I
think
in
2022
Ottawa
had
the
highest
fare
of
the
transit
systems
of
the
11
biggest
cities
or
regions
in
Canada,
the
third
highest
cash
fare.
Our
fare
rate
was
20
more
higher
than
the
average,
and
the
cash
flow
is
about
seven
percent
higher.
M
We
had
the
third
highest
monthly
pass.
So
I
guess
you
know
we're.
Obviously
on
Transit
side,
we
need
to
do
a
lot
of
work
here
to
make
sure
that
that
cumulative
impact
of
increases
doesn't
deter
new
ridership
and
that
we
increase
service
we've
been
doing
the
opposite.
We've
have
left
service
because
we
have
less
of
those
Capital
budgets
we're
reducing
service
to
realign
with
our
ridership,
and
our
fares
are
going
up
so
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
compute.
M
M
M
C
C
Okay,
so
let's
move
back
to
item
4.1
and
just
that,
that's
just
the
the
report
on
the
tax
and
rate
operating
and
capital
budget
Q2
status.
So
just
on
that
report
is
that
received
received
okay
and
then
on
item
4.2,
which
is
the
budget
directions,
timeline
and
consultation
process,
and
we
have
a
recorded
vote
on
that.
Please.
M
I
C
C
Nays
great,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
discussion
around
that.
So
let's
move
forward
to
item
5.1,
which
is
the
Canada
Central,
Business,
Improvement
area
and
I
believe
councilor
Curry,
and
possibly
thank
you
to
staff
for
that
presentation
as
well.
Councilor,
Curry
and
possibly
councilor
Hubley
are
going
to
speak
to
this
and
we
also
have
Laurie
Musa
the
executive
director
of
the
Canada
Central
Bia
available
to
answer
questions.
AE
I
just
couldn't
find
the
right
paper.
Okay,
so
I
wanted
to
say
that
our
executive
director,
Lori
Musa,
is
online.
So
if
any
of
anybody
has
any
questions
about
the
process
or
what
it
means,
she's
willing
to
answer,
questions
and
I
number
one
would
start
with
thanking
her
very
much
for
this
long
and
an
interesting
process.
I
gather
counselor
leaper.
Yours
was
the
model,
hey
I.
Think
yours
was
the
last
boundary
extension.
AE
AE
That
they've
recognized
the
success
of
the
Canada
Central
model
already
and,
as
you
see,
Canada
Town
Center,
with
all
the
apartment
buildings
growing
around
the
transit
to
come,
but
around
Bill
Terran
Park,
most
of
them
have
commercial
below.
So
this
will
include
some
of
that.
The
area
around
Costco,
which
is
really
Canada,
South,
even
Statesville.
They
also
wanted
to
be
a
part
of
it.
So
I
think
that
it's
going
to
help
I
mean
it
has
been
a
hugely
successful
model.
AE
Already
you
have
Kanata
Centrum
if
you're
following
many
more
businesses
have
have
come
in
around
the
movie
theater
and
largely
due
to
the
work
of
the
Kanata,
Central
Bia.
Obviously,
Lori
Musa
and
Joanne
matar,
our
chair,
promoting
being
there
going
out
and
talking
to
business
owners
non-stop,
it's
an
excellent
model.
Our
bias
are
just
a
godsend,
an
excellent,
an
excellent
model
and
so
to
expand.
It
I'm
really
happy
that
we're
doing
that
and
many
many
more
businesses
will
be
served
so
I
hope
you
will
support
this
and
I.
AE
I
C
AF
AF
AF
The
biggest
piece
of
this
project,
of
course,
was
communication.
We're
pretty
confident
that
we've
done
the
work
to
obtain
ample
support
to
proceed
with
the
expansion
and
I
would
just
like
to
quickly
thank
Mike
Bureau
for
his
guidance
and
as
well
as
our
counselors
for
their
support
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
O
Thanks
so
much
not
necessarily
a
question,
but
just
a
a
note
of
thanks
to
both
Madame
President
you'll,
see
this.
This
Bia
plays
a
really
important
role
in
the
economic
development
of
Saint
Joseph
Corridor,
and
certainly
very
pleased
to
support
their
expansion
efforts
and
hope
to
see
the
diversification
of
businesses
represented
on
the
board.
I
think
that
goes
a
long
way
to
bringing
in
new
ideas
fresh
new
ideas
of
as
to
how
we
can
improve
the
Bia
in
in
Orleans.
O
O
O
I
know
that
they're
quite
excited
to
to
give
to
this
wonderful
organization
and
I
certainly
look
forward
to
seeing
some
of
these
policies
that
are
going
to
bolster
the
great
work
that
our
ba
Bia
does
coming
to
fruition
over
the
course
of
the
next
decade
or
so,
and
finally
realizing
a
streetscape
model
that
we've
had
on
the
books
for
for
close
to
two
decades.
It's
going
to
make
a
massive
difference
and
I
think
that
that
this
expansion
is
going
to
go
a
long
way
too.
It's
realizing
those
goals.
O
So
again,
don't
often
get
a
chance
to
talk
about
the
great
work
that
that
Tanis
Pascal
the
board
do
in
public
forums,
so
I
just
want
to
take
a
note.
I
take
take
the
time
to
to
take
note
of
that
great
work
that
you
do
every
single
day
on
behalf
of
our
businesses
in
the
East
End.
So
thank
you
for
that.
AG
AG
So
you
know
associate
memberships,
but
also
had
the
opportunity
to
highlight
areas
of
the
East
that
didn't
even
fall
within
their
boundaries.
So
I
I'd
have
to
say
that
this
expansion
is
almost
a
natural
progression
and
I
wanted
to
thank
Pascal
and
Tanis,
because
you
know
you
have
always
been
advocating
for
the
East
End
as
a
whole.
AG
I
know
that
other
businesses
have
been
actually
asking
to
see
if
you
could
expand
even
further
than
what
you're
doing
right
now,
but
you
had
filled
the
Gap,
sought
the
opportunity
and
leveraged
the
the
advantages
that
the
East
End
has
and
will
continue
to
have.
As
we
see
the
Orleans
Corridor
secondary
plan
implemented
with
the
coming
of
of
LRT
and
just
all
the
other
opportunities
that
are
on
our
doorstep.
So
I
wanted
to
thank
you
for
that,
because
the
East
End
is
growing,
it's
strong
and
there's
only
you
know
so
much
more
progression.
AG
AD
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
just
a
quick
question.
Obviously,
even
though
the
Bia
is
outside
my
catchment
area,
I
love
working
with
the
heart
of
Orleans
I
was
just
wondering
if
there's
ever
been
any
discussion
about
expanding
the
boundaries
even
further
to
include
some
of
those
businesses
south
of
Ennis,
or
would
that
just
make
sort
of
the
the
catchment
area
to
unwieldy.
AF
Drew
you
Mr,
Mayor
I
can
answer
that
we
have
looked
at
including
all
of
Orleans,
because
we
have
been
asked
by
small
businesses
to
Encompass
all
of
Orleans
I
think
at
this
time.
It's
just
simply
impossible.
We're
doubling
our
expansion
area
today
and
I
think
we're
focusing
on
the
original
around
the
original
Main
Street
we're
encompassing
the
four
LRT
stations,
we're
taking
into
consideration.
The
Orleans,
Corridor,
study
and
I
think
that
was
why
the
decision
was
made
to
include
the
boundaries
we
have
understood.
AD
C
AF
C
AH
The
subject
site
is
located
on
8.7
Acres
at
the
western
edge
of
Alta
Vista
Ward,
it's
adjacent
to
bang,
Street,
just
east,
and
it's
at
the
corner
of
Kilbourne
and
lemura.
It's
well
served
by
public
transit
with
access
to
shopping
community
and
Social
Services.
It
does
have
a
an
older
building
on
the
site.
The
eastern
half
of
the
building
sort
of
the
right
side
of
the
slide
are
office.
Space
administrative
uses
and
historically
the
the
Western
Wing
of
the
building
was
used
for
residences.
AH
The
the
site
is
zoned
to
permit
a
range
of
community
uses
and
institutional
accommodations,
and
it's
currently
owned
by
the
Roman
Catholic
episcopal
episcopal
Corporation
of
Ottawa,
so
staff
have
negotiated
a
purchase
price
of
18.5
million
dollars.
That
price
is
supported
by
two
appraisals.
We
had
an
external
appraisal
completed
as
well
as
an
internal
appraisal.
The
corporate
real
estate
office
does
have
a
valuation
team,
that's
staffed
by
accredited
appraisers.
So
we
do
do
an
internal
appraisal
as
well
we're
currently
in
the
due
diligence
phase.
T
T
T
T
T
T
AH
Thank
you,
Paul
Mary
is
coming
later
recommendation,
so
we
have
two
recommendations
before
committee
today.
The
first
recommendation
is
to
approve
the
acquisition
of
1245
Kilbourne
place,
and
the
second
recommendation
is
to
delegate
authority
to
staff
to
take
the
necessary
steps
to
complete
the
purchase
once
our
our
due
diligence
has
been
completed
and
we
feel
comfortable
with
that.
C
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Thank
you
both
merci
and
just
we're
we'll
hear
from
the
delegates
and
and
then
I'm
sure
counselors
will
have
questions,
but
just
to
be
clear,
as
we
start
that
what's
before
us
today
is
simply
the
acquisition
of
the
property,
not
the
future
use
of
the
property
after
it's
acquired
is
that
correct,
you're,
correct,
Mr,
Mayor,
and
so
if
the
property
is
acquired,
all
future
decisions
about
the
use
of
the
property
will
come
back
and
there
will
be
full
consultation
on
that.
AI
There
are
no
conditions
on
this
recommendation,
meaning
what
the
committee
is
being
asked
to
approve
today
and
if
so,
ultimately,
counsel
is
that
we
acquire
this
property
and
it's
my
understanding
that
a
number
of
conditions
have
to
be
met
first
for
staff
to
be
satisfied
to
close
that
deal.
Why
is
that
not
reflected
in
the
wording
of
the
actual
motion.
AH
The
well,
the
second
recommendation,
provides
the
the
direction
to
stop
to
complete
the
due
diligence
and
and
to
delegate
the
authority
to
complete
the
transaction.
So
there's
a
condition
in
the
existing
purchase
and
sale
agreement
that
we're
to
see
Council
approval
of
this.
And
then
we
asked
for
delegated
authorities
to
complete
the
deal.
AI
C
AJ
All
right,
good
morning,
everyone
or
good
afternoon,
thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
and
members
of
the
committee
I'm
speaking
today
on
behalf
of
the
alliance
and
homelessness,
an
organization
representing
over
75
agencies
in
Ottawa
in
the
housing
and
homelessness
sector.
This
new
opportunity
for
Supportive
Housing
at
1245,
Kilbourne
Ave,
is
an
exciting
and
a
smart
investment.
Local
Supportive
Housing
providers
report
seeing
over
90
percent
success
in
people
staying
housed
long
term
through
Supportive
Housing.
AJ
It's
a
key
step
in
the
road
to
ending
homelessness,
affordable,
non-profit
housing
includes
a
large
spectrum
of
housing
types
and
the
number
of
terms
can
be
confusing.
Supportive
Housing
is
one
type
of
housing
that
fits
along
the
Spectrum.
It
means
housing
that
is
subsidized
to
be
affordable
where
practical
support
services
are
provided
on
site.
These
can
include
counseling
support
connection
to
other
services,
life
skills,
training
and
more.
There
are
Supportive
Housing
providers
in
Ottawa
who
have
nine
to
five
support.
Others
have
24
7
Staffing
and
some
have
staff
just
a
few
times
a
week.
AJ
People
may
not
realize
that
group
homes
are
a
form
of
Supportive
Housing.
Long-Term
care
is
Supportive
Housing.
There
is
the
board
of
housing
in
every
ward
in
Ottawa.
It
is
not
isolated
to
downtown
and
it's
the
kind
of
housing
that
people
need
to
have
the
dignity
and
stability
to
survive.
Supportive
Housing
is
not
a
shelter.
It's
permanent
housing
people
are
not
forced
to
move
on
after
a
certain
amount
of
time,
they
are
housed
and
they
are
home.
AJ
Since
2015,
the
cities
adopted
a
policy
of
housing,
first,
a
philosophy
and
a
service
practice
where
a
person
experiencing
homelessness
is
provided
with
housing
with
no
conditions.
Housing
first
means
that
a
person
does
not
jump
through
hoops
to
access
the
most
basic
of
Necessities,
a
safe
place
to
call
home
a
person
is
not
mandated
to
resolve
a
personal
crisis
or
deal
with
the
mental
health
condition
in
order
to
obtain
a
home.
Housing
is
the
housing.
First
is
the
recognition
that
without
safe,
stable
housing,
very
few
of
us
can
thrive.
AJ
In
other
words,
if
you're
drowning,
it
does
not
help.
If
your
rescuer
insists
that
you
swim
before
you
return
to
shore
in
Ottawa,
we
have
a
waiting
list
of
369
people
in
need
of
Supportive
Housing.
This
bed
count
May
reduce
that
list
by
almost
25
percent
a
significant
step
in
the
right
direction.
Further
Supportive
Housing
is
cost
effective.
It
costs
53
dollars
a
day
to
house
someone
in
a
supportive
unit.
In
contrast,
a
hospital
bed
is
one
thousand
dollars
a
day.
AJ
An
emergency
Hotel
bed
is
three
thousand
dollars
a
month
and
shelter
costs
are
over
30
million
a
year.
Supportive
Housing
is
both
more
cost
effective
and
more
compassionate
than
emergency
responses.
Well,
I
realize
there's
been
pushback
on
this
acquisition.
I
urge
Council
to
continue
to
support
this
purchase,
and
we
deeply
appreciate
your
support
so
far.
We
desperately
need
this
kind
of
housing
in
our
community.
We
need
all
kinds
of
affordable,
non-profit
housing
to
end
homelessness,
and
this
particular
type
is
crucial
to
giving
people
the
dignity
that
they
deserve.
AJ
Supportive
Housing
is
also
decentralized.
It
is
in
every
ward
in
our
community
likely
in
most
neighborhoods.
Yet
there
is
pushback.
Often
because
people
may
not
have
a
strong
understanding
of
what
it
is
increasing,
these
types
of
units
is
a
core
component
of
ottawa's
10-year
plan.
The
plan
is
a
policy
Direction
approved
by
Council,
and
it's
critical
that
we
continue
to
move
forward
with
it.
We
cannot
continue
to
have
a
referendum
on
who
gets
to
live
in
a
neighborhood
every
time
a
new
building
is
developed.
AJ
This
building
is
also
in
my
ward
and
no
one
got
to
decide
if
I
lived
there
or
not.
So
why
should
it
be
different
for
anyone
else?
Ending
and
reducing
homelessness
is
absolutely
possible.
We
have
Canadian
and
international
examples
of
it.
The
most
notable
example
is
Finland.
They
focused
on
building
non-profit
housing
at
scale,
much
of
it's
supportive
for
those
who
needed
it.
The
Kilbourne
building
is
part
of
the
story
of
how
our
city
will
reduce
and
end
homelessness,
let's
get
on
with
it
together.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
Katie.
Thank
you,
as
always
for
the
work
that
you're
doing
in
the
community
and
thank
you
for
your
delegation
today.
You
said
that
the
acquisition
of
this
property
could
reduce
the
wait
list
for
Supportive
Housing
by
around
25
percent.
I.
Think
do
you
think
you
said
that
wait
list
was
around
380
people.
A
AJ
369
was
the
number
that
was
put
in
the
report
in
terms
of
the
Supportive
Housing
wait
list
for
people
staying
in
shelter
and
the
other
number
the
25
is
based
on
the
thought
that
there's
around
90
units
that
are
possible
in
this.
That's
not
potentially
that's
the
number
that
I've
heard
I'm,
not
sure,
that's
the
final
number,
but
we
also
know
that
the
site
itself
is
certainly
large
and
provides
lots
of
opportunity
for
other
kind
of
mixed
communities.
So
it's
92
beds
would
be
25
so.
A
This
is
a
huge
parcel,
the
the
the
notion
of
using
it
to
house
just
85
people
is
or
sorry
I
forgot.
The
number
80
people
is
the
it
doesn't
seem
quite
right,
I'm
wondering
you
were
obviously
key
to
the
creation
of
the
scaling
up
housing
report,
which
our
planning
committee
received.
Thank
you
for
that.
How
else
could
this
large
parcel
immediately
adjacent
to
transit
in
an
amenity,
Ridge
area
be
used
to
support
our
housing
homeless
goals.
AJ
You're
giving
me
the
dream
question:
this
is
fantastic,
I
mean
seven
acres
of
land
is
incredible.
This
could
be
our
St
Lawrence
Market,
honestly
think
about
what
Toronto
did
I
forget
how
many
hectares
exactly
I
think
it
was
less
than
this.
Certainly
that
was
4
000
units
of
mixed
affordability
standards
and
look
at
what
it
became
right.
We
have
an
opportunity
with
the
land
to
be
able
to
develop
a
really
vibrant,
beautiful
Community.
It's
not
that
far
from
where
I
live
and
I
would
frankly
like
to
go
and
be
able
to
be.
AJ
You
know,
amongst
that
area,
think
about
the
shops.
As
you
said,
the
amenities,
the
transit.
It
could
be
a
really
phenomenal
space.
So
if
I'm
dreaming
about
it,
I
mean
I'm
going
to
say
like
walking
space,
there's
a
ton
of
trees,
it's
naturally
I
think
actually
heat
reducing
when
you
think
about
what
we
need
in
our
cities
in
terms
of
just
even
tree
cover,
so
I
mean
dream
big.
We
could
have
thousands
of
units
there
of
mixed
housing.
AJ
A
And
I
think
we're
setting
ourselves
up
today
for
an
interesting
discussion
as
we
move
into
deciding
how
to
actually
use
this
land
with
respect
to
its
availability
to
the
not-for-profit
sector
versus
the
market
sector
versus
Ottawa,
Community
Housing
I
I'll
be
curious
to
see
how
staff
slice
and
dice
this
there
is
the
potential
that
staff
may
come
back
to
us
to
say
some
Market
housing
would
provide
additional
operational
funding
for
more
housing.
That
is
either
rgi
or
that
is
supportive.
AB
Hi,
yes,
hi
Katie
nice
to
see
you
coming
to
you
live
from
Vanier
I
know
you
love
venue
very
much
so
I
thought
I'd
mention
that
I
just
wanted
to
know
because
I
was
reading.
I
I
got
some
very
interesting
emails
in
my
inbox
this
weekend
about
this,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
comment
like
it's,
not
just
people
who've
experienced
homelessness,
who
require
Supportive
Housing.
There's
many
other
people,
let's
let's
say
with
some
sort
of
setback
who
needs
Supportive.
AB
AJ
Yeah
absolutely
I
mean
you've
named
two
key
groups
right
there,
I
would
also
say
young
people
actually
really
do
need
Supportive
Housing
we've
got
some
great
properties
throughout
our
city.
For
that,
and
certainly
I
would
say,
families
at
this
stage
there's
a
few
families
that
would
fit
in
that
kind
of
category.
Not
that
many
but
seniors
are
the
other
big
one.
I.
AJ
Care
is
Supportive,
Housing
and
I.
Think
also
folks,
who
are
waiting
for
a
bed
that
is
in
a
supportive
environment
who
are
staying
in
hospital.
That
number
is
huge,
they're,
an
alternative
level
of
care
beds,
certainly
with
the
Royal
Ottawa.
That's
a
context,
and
then
especially,
the
long-term
care
story
is
very
much
that
story
as
well.
AB
And
thank
you
and
then
just
quick
follow-up
do
I
know.
Montreal
did
their
assessment
that
you
know
someone's
staying
in
a
shelter
is
I,
believe
15
000
a
month
and
then
Supportive
Housing
was
three
to
five
thousand
do.
Do
we
have
those
numbers
for
Ontario
what
the
cost,
what
cost
savings
would
be
on
this.
AJ
A
Thank
you
and
thanks
for
the
Indulgence
in
the
second
question,
Katie
you've
watched
a
lot
of
different
projects
in
the
housing
sector
move
forward.
This
parcel
is
going
to
cost
us
18
and
a
half
million
dollars.
We
know
we
have
the
funding,
but
for
a
parcel
is
large.
Are
you
surprised
at
the
price
tag.
AJ
Yeah,
it's
the
land,
it's
the
land.
That's
the
really
good
piece
of
this
right.
Does
the
strike
you
as
over
pain?
No
I
think
this
is
underpaying
if
anything
else,
because
of
the
land
and
I
think
really
having
spoken
actually
with
the
the
Archdiocese.
They
very
much
said
you
know
we
could
have
gotten
a
lot
more
for
this,
which
is
absolutely
true,
probably
50.
60
million
was
their
estimate,
so
they
are
choosing
to
do
something
for
the
community
by
by
having
it
be
given
to
the
city
for
18
million.
C
AK
AK
There
are
links
to
these
documents
from
within
the
report
and
another
document
that'll
integrated
transition.
These
reports
I
set
eyes
on
them
five
days
ago
and
reading
just
a
snippet
from
the
integrated
transition
document,
whereas
Minister
Clark,
minister
of
Municipal,
Affairs
and
Housing,
when
announcing
the
investment
into
the
program,
stated
that
these
Investments
were
critical.
AK
O
AK
Lemura
Street
in
particular,
have
been
the
low-hanging
fruit
for
our
municipality
and
our
elected
officials
have
exploited.
This
I've
tried
to
deal
with
the
city
over
many
years
with
various
issues,
one
being
with
the
transportation
Corridor
that
was
imposed
upon
the
community
Without
Really
thorough
investigation
to
the
consequences
of
that.
AK
AK
How
was
it
that
the
only
way
the
homeowners
became
aware
of
this
is
on
account
of
an
article
by
the
Ottawa
Citizen
I
reject
this
label
at
first
first
I
heard
this
labels
a
few
days
ago.
Nimbyism
This
Acronym
has
nothing
to
do
with
our
concerns,
our
freedom
of
speech
and
expression
and
the
right
to
fair
and
reasonable
representation
by
our
elect.
Our
elected
representative
has
been
interfered
with.
AK
C
AK
AB
Hi.
Sorry,
sorry
about
that.
Thank
you
for
coming
to
delegate
today.
I'm,
not
quite
sure,
I
understand
how
this
is
a
freedom
of
speech
or
Freedom.
Your
rights
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
that's
being
trampled
on
here,
but
I
would
encourage
you
if
you
want
to
explore
this
a
bit
more
just
around
the
corner
at
the
courthouse
at
155
Elgin.
AB
There's
a
trial
going
on
right
now,
where
some
of
the
best
legal
Minds
in
the
country
are
unpacking
this
in
terms
of
what
happened
with
the
Convoy,
and
that
might
help
you,
and
it
will
certainly
be
something
that
I'm
interested
in
following
to
see
how
that
is
not
the
case
in
this,
and
it
certainly
wasn't
the
case
in
the
Convoy
either
so
I.
Thank
you
for
your
delegation,
but
I'm
not
sure
this
is
the
type
of
forum
for
what
you're
trying
to
say
here.
AB
AE
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
thank
you
for
your
delegation
today,
I'm
wondering
if
your
concept
of
Half
Baked
may
maybe
something
you
could
see
as
a
good
thing
when
I
think
half-baked
I.
Think
then
there's
a
lot
still
to
be
baked
like
there's
a
lot
more
to
come
and
that's
what
the
motion
indicates
that
there's
a
lot
of
consultation
and
a
lot
of
thinking,
the
the
property
itself
has
to
go
through
a
few
analyzes
and
conditions
of
sale.
AE
AK
No
I
do
see
that
it's
a
good
thing,
that
it
is
Half
Baked
and
recognizes
being
Half,
Baked,
I,
think
but
my
point
of
contention,
as
well
as
several
of
the
homeowners
in
the
area
that
I've
spoken
to
and
we've
spoken
among
each
other-
is
that
our
counselor,
our
elected
representative,
did
not
contact
all
of
Ward
18..
We
only
find
out
about
this
five
six
days
ago
by
via
VIA
media.
AK
AE
Yeah
well,
thank
you
for
that
I
mean
I.
Guess
the
clarification
would
be
that
on
a
purchase
of
this
sword
is
not
necessarily
a
consultation
opportunity.
We
don't
do
that
normally,
but
all
the
rest
of
it
there
will
be
tons
of
consultation
that
you'll
have
a
lot
of
time
to
participate
in,
but
anyway,
I'll
leave
that
with
you.
C
AK
C
Just
before
you
go,
though,
just
before
you
get
started,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
turning
a
microphone
officer
just
before
you
leave,
thank
you,
oh
sure,
sure,
just
hang
on
one
sec
just
before
yeah,
okay,
while
we're
waiting
for
you
to
get
online
Peter.
Can
you
just
explain
the
normal
process
of
when
we
acquire
a
piece
of
land
for
any
purpose?
AH
In
Mr
Mayor,
so
the
corporate
real
estate
office
is
really
governed
by
the
land
acquisition
policy,
that's
approved
by
Council.
That
guides
us
through
the
process
to
acquire
land.
So
we
have
to
follow
that
process
and
then
there's
also
the
delegate
of
authority
bylaw.
So
in
this
case
the
property
that
we're
looking
to
purchase
is
over
two
million
dollars,
which
is
above
any
delegated
authority
threshold
for
staff.
If
this
property
we're
below
2
million
dollars,
this
would
be
done
in
a
delegated
authority
level.
This
is
really
when
we're
acquiring
property.
AH
The
the
real
estate
office
is
doing
it
because
there's
a
request
from
a
department
to
acquire
the
land.
It's
really
a
business
matter,
and
if
again,
if
this
property
was
under
two
million
dollars,
it'd
be
done
at
delegated
authority.
The
ward
counselor
be
made
aware,
but
it
wouldn't
be
coming
up
to
this
type
of
of
public
discussion.
We
would
report
up
to
council,
as
we
do
twice
a
year
on
all
our
delegated
authority
actions.
C
And
similarly,
properties
are
exchanged
all
the
time
in
the
marketplace
without
if
and
if
the
purpose,
the
use
of
the
property.
If
there's
a
change
in
the
purpose
of
of
the
use
of
the
property,
then
that
is
an
issue
that
would
come
before
planning
committee
and
come
before
Council,
but
the
acquisition
itself.
There
are
all
kinds
of
properties
that
change
hands.
Sometimes
the
cities
involved
in
the
transaction.
Sometimes
it's
not,
but
the
actual
transaction
would
not
be
something
that
would
be
the
subject
of
widespread
public
consultation.
Is
that
right?
That's.
AH
Correct
Mr
Mayor
again,
a
lot
of
it
depends
on
the
value
when
the
city's
involved,
if
it's
over
2
million
we're
before
committee,
if
it's
under
2
million,
is
done
at
a
staff
level
yeah
and
again,
and
it's
predicated
on
a
request
from
a
department.
So
after
we
acquire
it
that
the
group
that's
going
to
program,
it
will
then
present
a
plan
to
committee
and
Council
on
what
they
want
to
do
with
the
property
once
it's
purchased.
But
this.
C
AL
You
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
address
the
committee
about
the
proposed
acquisition
of
244
1247
Kilbourne
place.
So,
while
a
silly
city
has
been
examining
solutions
for
the
Urgent
and
acute
Supportive,
Housing
need
and
apparently
negotiating
the
price
of
this
site
for
some
time
due
to
confidentiality
agreements
with
the
seller.
AL
And
a
concern
is
that
spending
a
substantial
amount
of
money
earmarked
for
Supportive
Housing
on
this
single
site
effectively
locks
the
city
into
using
this
one
site
as
a
primary
location
for
solving
the
supporting
housing
shortage,
and
this
will
have
been
done
without
consulting
the
surrounding
community
and
only
after
the
site
is
purchased
and
the
city's
locked
into
using
it.
For
this
purpose,
will
the
community
be
consulted
now?
This
is
too
late
to
engender
local
support
for
the
site's
development,
which
is
ultimately
going
to
be
crucial
for
its
success.
AL
It's
important
that
the
community
expected
to
integrate
the
support
of
housing
be
consulted
before
the
sites.
Act
was
position.
Certainly
something
of
this
magnitude
now
I
understand
that
nothing
is
being
finalized
and
Council
Cara
said
that
the
site
could
potentially
house
over
a
hundred
people,
and-
and
it
was
mentioned
that
this
represents
roughly
a
quarter
of
almost
the
400
people
on
the
current
wait
list
for
Supportive
Housing
now
housing.
These
people
is
both
important
and
Urgent.
AL
Nobody's
arguing
with
that,
but
expecting
one
Community
to
be
responsible
for
solving
such
a
large
proportion
of
the
supporting
housing
crisis
is
unreasonable
and
not
a
viable
solution.
The
Equitable
solution,
with
the
best
chance
of
success,
involves
all
of
ottawa's
communities
in
24
Wars,
from
Cumberland
to
West
Carleton
from
Rito
Vania
to
Rito
goldburn,
so
to
be
clear:
I'm
not
opposed
to
the
city
acquiring
the
site
for
Supportive
Housing
or
to
Simply
protect
its
development.
AL
In
fact,
because
it's
unclear
what
exactly
the
city's
plan
for
the
site
is
I'm
unable
to
say
one
way
or
another,
whether
I
support
it
s,
acquisition
or
I
oppose
its
acquisition.
But
the
fact
that
the
local
community
has
not
been
consulted
has
only
been
made
aware
of
the
site's
acquisition
in
its
11th
hour,
does
not
engender
trust
and
I.
Think
it's
reasonable
for
the
community
to
be
apprehensive.
Based
on
this
quick
turnaround.
AL
Time
alone
never
mind
the
ambiguity
and
so,
for
this
reason,
I
think
it's
not
unreasonable
to
propose
a
motion
that
the
committee
delay
approving
acquisition
until
the
appropriate
consultation
and
engagement
with
the
community
through
some
sort
of
open
and
transparent,
inclusive
town
hall,
meeting
or
meetings
just
make
us
a
partner
to
discuss
this,
and
my
hope
is,
is
that
increasing
you
know
increasing
that
inclusivity?
Will
that
will
come
out
of
that?
You
know.
AB
For
your
for
your
presentation
and
shout
out
to
the
the
sort
of
24
and
24
that
you
referenced,
that's
from
Sydney
of
the
Lower
Town
Community
Association,
they
have
been
advocating
for
that
quite
some
time
now.
I
just
wanted
to
push
back
on
your
comment
that
Ward
12,
which
is
a
Ringo
venue
which
you
mentioned,
needs
to
sort
of
take
its
fair
share.
As
you
know,
we
have
the
highest
concentration
of
men's,
only
shelters,
injection
sites
day
centers.
AB
We
have
children
living
in
motels
because
they're
refugees,
we've
also
have
our
belnagra
made
recreational
center,
which
is
being
used
right
now
to
house
people.
So
we
have
done.
We
are
doing
our
fair
share.
We
are
quite
concerned
with
the
housing
and
homelessness
crisis,
and
you
know
I
would
I
would
suggest
that
putting
us
in
a
basket
of
people
who
aren't
doing.
That
is
not
really
fair
and
yeah
thanks.
That's.
AL
AL
C
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation,
I'll,
just
reiterate
again
that
this
is
there.
There
will
be
consultation
on
the
use
of
the
property.
This
is
purely
about
the
acquisition
of
the
property.
That's
the
only
decision
that's
being
made
today
we're
going
to
go
back
to
Scott
charlwood
to
see
if
we're
able
to
connect
Scott
charlwood.
If
you're
there
please
go
ahead.
Hello.
F
F
F
F
I
feel
that
the
consultation
and
the
timeline
of
the
consultation
seems
to
be
what
people
are
having
a
difficult
time
with.
You
know
I
feel
that
we
as
voters
we
as
Citizens,
would
you
know,
prefer
the
courtesy
of
a
little
bit
of
of
leeway
in
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
come
up
with.
You
know,
points
on
one
side
of
the
argument
or
the
other,
as
our
last
speaker
pointed
out.
You
know.
Most
of
us
aren't
against
this
idea.
F
However,
I
think
we're
against
the
idea
of
what
kind
of
feels
like
things
were
done
quickly
behind
closed
doors,
so
that
things
could
get
kind
of
moved
along,
really
quick
without
people
having
a
lot
of
time
or
opportunity
to
be
able
to
say
something
so
I
think
that's
kind
of
where,
from
what
I've
gathered.
Speaking
to
my
my
neighbors
in
the
community
and
as
I
said,
a
lot
of
people
are
not
opposed
to
this
as
myself.
F
I'm
not
completely
opposed
to
this
I
would
just
like
a
little
bit
more
of
a
timeline
for
us
to
be
able
to
understand,
as
the
citizens
in
direct
contact
within
a
few
blocks
of
the
proposed
site.
I
think
that
it
would
be
beneficial
to
everyone
on
Council,
as
well
as
the
citizens
in
my
area.
Just
to
know
that
we're
being
heard
before
everything
is
said
and
done
now,
I
do
understand
that
you
know
this
is
this
is
just
the
vote
as
to
whether
or
not
the
land
will
be
picked
up
and
purchased.
F
So
I
guess
really.
The
one
thing
that
I
I
do
want
to
want
to
point
out
is
that
there's
a
price
tag.
That's
been
put
out
of
18
million,
which
by
all
means
seems
like
a
really
good
price
to
pick
up
this
parcel
of
land
or
whatever
the
end
outcome
would
be,
but
I
do
have
one
kind
of
searing
question
involved
in
this
now.
One
other
amount
dollar
amount
that's
been
put
on.
F
This
is
the
21
million
dollars
for
remediation
now,
I'm
sure
that
you
were
all
aware
that
this
site
is
highly
contaminated
with
asbestos.
Now.
This
is
the
reason
why
the
Archdiocese
decided
not
to
move
forward
with
doing
the
remediation
themselves,
because
they
found
that
the
price
was
too
cost
prohibitive,
prohibitive
story,
and
they
figured
that
it
would
be
better
to
release
this
cost
to
the
next
purchase
next
purchaser,
which
in
this
case
could
very
well
be
our
city.
F
AM
Yeah
thanks
thanks
very
much
Scott
for
your
presentation.
I,
absolutely
understand
you
know
your
concerns
with
consultation
and
I'll,
be
putting
forward
via
counselor
leaper
later
a
direction
that
that
staff
will
work
with
me
as
the
counselor
and
and
the
community
on
consultations.
Once
the
site
has
been
purchased.
There
will
be
extensive,
extensive
consultations
on
this
and
and
I'm
hoping
you
and
everyone
else
in
the
community
will
participate.
AM
Our
real
estate
transaction
process
doesn't
allow
for
Public
public
input.
It's
just
not
one
of
those
processes,
but
there
will
be
a
lot
of
consultation
to
come
ahead.
I'll
also
just
mention
you
mentioned
about
the
state
of
the
building
as
part
of
the
conditions
of
the
acquisition
there.
There
is
a
requirement
for
a
building
condition.
AM
Audit
a
phase
one
and
phase
two
environmental
site
assessment
as
well
and
and
one
of
my
colleagues
are
putting
forward
a
direction
that
that
information
will
come
back
to
to
council
and
I'm
just
going
to
make
one
point
of
clarification.
I
don't
believe
that
it's
21
million
proven
mediation
I,
believe
that
includes
the
price
but
I'm
just
going
to
ask
staff.
If
you
could
respond
on
that.
That
would
be
helpful.
AH
AH
AM
But
yeah
perfect,
so
sorry
Scott
that
that
21
million
just
includes
the
cost
of
the
building
plus,
you
know
closing
costs
and
other
Associated
costs,
but
once
we
have
all
the
reports
done,
then
we'll
get
a
better
idea
of
what
any
repair
costs
are.
But
thank
you
very
much
for
coming
out
today.
I
appreciate
it.
Okay,
great.
F
I
F
F
Of
those
types
of
things
where
you
need
to
be
pretty
careful
if
you're
going
to
purchase
a
building,
you
know
put
the
cart
before
the
horse.
You
don't
know,
what's
inside
that
building,
you
could
be
talking
some
serious.
You
know
either
serious
health
issues
for
the
proposed
new
tenants
or
major
cost
overruns
when
it
comes
to
actually
actual
remediation.
So
is
this
something
that's
that's
been
baked
into
the
cost.
C
AN
AN
AN
I
am
aware
of
the
housing
crisis
in
our
city.
I
know
how
desperate
the
situation
is.
However,
it
looks
like
the
city
is
rushing
to
decide
on
such
a
big
project
without
providing
enough
time
to
consult
residents
on
a
change
that
will
have
significant
effects
on
their
neighborhood
safety,
property
prices
and
quality
of
life.
Also
How
would
how
would
the
prospective
residency
themselves
living
in
a
single
out
isolated
campus
arrangement?
AN
Is
this
fair
to
them?
Has
the
city
studied
and
taken
account
of
the
risks
of
this
massive
proposal
for
the
community
at
large,
including
safety,
environment
and
property
valuation?
If
so,
I
would
like
to
know
the
results.
If
not
I
would
like
to
know
if
it
intends
to
carry
out
one,
why
doesn't
the
city
consider
small-scale
Supportive
Housing
projects
dispersed
within
the
across
the
border
Community,
rather
than
singling
out
a
particular
neighborhood
with
a
large
scale
and
concentrated
project?
AN
Also
you
you
have
talked
about
this
meeting
is
about
buying
the
property,
not
use
of
the
property,
but
the
word
is
came
out.
We
accidentally
figured
it
out
what
this
property
is
going
to
be
used
for.
So
therefore,
it's
legitimate
for
us
to
talk
about
the
project
that,
therefore
we
need
to
talk
about
this
project.
AN
As
in
when
I
first
arrived
to
this
country,
my
I
was
lucky
to
live
in
a
one-bedroom
basement
apartment
within
the
community
that
my
integration
was
really
possible
because
I
knew
who
my
neighbor
was
I,
knew
when
I
don't
have
the
bread
whose
house
I
am
going
to
not
if
we
consult,
if
we
bring
with
segregate
these
people,
it's
not
fair
to
them.
It's
it
look.
It's
gonna,
look
like
like.
AN
If
we
keep
it,
as
is,
it
will
look
like
a
a
prism
to
me
like
it's
really
important
when
the
refugee
comes
to
this
country
or
when
the
homeless
is
on
the
street,
we
need
to
really
provide
them
a
place
at
G7
country.
We
live
on
a
G7
country.
We
need
to
provide
a
sound
and
safe
space
that
they
are
able
to
comfortable
their
neighbor
will
feel
so
comfortable.
We
don't
want
to
have
the
stigma
on
those
people
that
we
so-called
name
it
vulnerable,
vulnerable
people.
AN
AO
AO
AN
AO
I
just
finish
sure,
and
they
are
often
large
concentrations
of
60
or
more
homes,
because
these
buildings
have
built-in
support
for
people.
I'll
tell
you,
though,
we
have
the
highest
number
of
unregulated
rooming
houses
in
my
ward,
and
that
is
where
we
experience
a
lot
of
challenges
and
we
also
experience
challenges
in
the
encampments
that
are
set
up
in
my
neighborhood,
because
there
isn't
enough
Supportive,
Housing,
so
I
also
I
just
want
to
clarify
from
staff.
We
have
not
predetermined
how
many
supportive
homes
might
be
on
this
site.
AO
AN
When
I,
when
I
said
isolated,
it's,
it
looks
like
going
to
be
a
campus
correct.
That's
what
that's!
This
is
what
we
are
confused,
because
it's
not
clear
when
you
say
we
are
going
to
house
a
vulnerable
population.
It's
not
really
clear
to
us
to
me,
especially
because
I'm,
the
advocate
of
of
you
know,
I'm
the
advocate
for
pop
against
poverty,
that
the
social
housing
and
this
and
that,
but
it's
isolating
a
building,
a
campus
and
putting
100
so-called
100
that
that's
what
the
number
was
given
to
us.
C
AO
AB
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
I
didn't
catch
your
your
first
name,
but
I
just
wanted
to
invite
you
sorry
hi.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
much
and
I,
just
I
was
just
gonna.
Invite
you
I
have
some
really
wonderful,
Supportive
Housing
projects
in
Ward,
12.,
John,
Howard,
Society,
and
options
by
town
in
particular.
I,
don't
like
to
play
favorites,
but
I
do
like
them
a
lot,
and
so
I
would
invite
you.
If
ever
you
want
to
come
and
see
the
work
they
do
I'm
happy
to
come.
Give
you
a
tour.
AB
You
know,
they're,
really
great
projects
and
I
think
it
will
just
sort
of
help
sort
of
give
a
bigger
picture
for
what
your
concerns
are,
because
they
do
have
about
the
same
number
of
people
in
their
units,
depending
on
which
John
Howard
unit
we're
looking
at.
But
you
know,
I'm
I
would
love
to
have
you
come
downtown
and
we
can
go
visit
them.
If
ever
you
want
to
take
that
opportunity,
so
just
the
invite
I'm
just
putting
it
out
there.
Thank
you.
It's
thank.
AN
You
for
invitation,
I
know
what
that
what
this,
when
it's
built
in
in
the
community
I
hundred
percent
I
will
be
there
and
one
is
at
altavis
across
my
my
street
and
it's
perfectly
fine.
It
I'm
not
against
that
I
am
against
the
bill
buying
at
this
proportion
of
the
huge
property
and
making
it
a
designated
to
vulnerable
people.
I,
don't
like
the
the
naming
I.
Don't
like
you
understand
what
I'm
trying
to
say
it's.
If
it's
in
into
disperse
into
the
community,
absolutely
I
am
for
it
absolutely.
AN
C
AN
C
C
AP
AP
Our
organization
believes
that
the
city's
proposal
to
purchase
1245
Kilburn
place
for
Supportive
Housing
is
a
solution
to
ottawa's
delivery
of
affordable
housing,
as
well
as
addressing
ottawa's
homelessness
crisis
at
options
by
town.
We
offer
deeply
affordable,
low
barrier,
permanent
Supportive
Housing
to
people
experiencing
homelessness.
We
do
this
through
the
operation
of
four
apartment
buildings
in
residential
neighborhoods,
where
we
provide
individual
units
and
on-site
supports
seven
days
a
week
in
order
to
help
our
tenants
remain
housed
and
find
stability.
AP
The
supports
we
offer
include
help
accessing
Health
Services
access
to
mental
health
and
substance.
Use
Health
supports
help
applying
for
financial
assistance,
help
getting
food,
Pet,
Care
Help,
addressing
hoarding
behavior,
and
sometimes
it
really
is
just
a
matter
of
being
there
to
help
reduce
the
loneliness
and
isolation
that
can
come
from
having
spent
years
living
in
shelter
and
on
the
streets.
AP
AP
We
have
tenants
who
become
familiar
faces
in
their
neighborhoods
and
participate
in
every
Community
event.
We
have
neighbors
who
call
us
when
they
see
someone
struggling
the
street,
because
our
neighbors
trust
us,
and
they
know
that
we're
here
to
help
and
we
have
neighbors
who
come
to
train
to
us,
looking
for
opportunities
to
volunteer
and
to
donate
items
to
help
your
tenants.
AP
Over
2
000
people
are
currently
homeless
in
our
city.
Hundreds
of
people
are
on
the
waiting
list
for
Supportive
Housing
and
many
of
which
are
just
waiting
for
options
for
item
alone.
So
there's
a
need
for
Supportive
Housing
that
our
city
has
a
responsibility
to
meet,
and
we
know
that
Supportive
Housing
puts
an
end
to
homelessness
at
options
by
town
and
99
of
our
tenants
remain
housed
at
options
by
town.
AP
AP
AB
AB
I
got
stuck
in
their
elevator
a
couple
months
ago
for
quite
some
time
anyway
and
number
two
I
was
just
wondering
when
you
talk
about
sort
of
having
that
sense
of
community
and
having
people
sort
of
live
in
a
space
and
they
all
sort
of
trust
each
other.
Can
you
talk
about
why
that
is
important
for
someone
who
is,
you
know
maybe
coming
out
of
the
out
of
the
shelter
system
or
someone
who
may
be
living,
maybe
leaving
a
dangerous
situation
like.
AB
AP
I
think
that
having
a
sense
of
community
could
be
important
for
anybody,
but
especially
folks
who
are
coming
out
of
the
shelter
system.
Some
people
spend
years
in
the
shelters
living
in
the
streets
and
it's
extremely
traumatic
and
my
experience
with
working
as
a
housing
based
case
manager.
I
could
see
that
whenever
we
transitioned
someone
into
housing
from
shelter,
those
first
few
months
are
extremely
crucial.
It's
a
very
isolating
experience
to
Now,
find
yourself
alone
in
an
apartment
and
kind
of
cut
off,
perhaps
from
some
of
the
supports
that
you
had
received
before
that's.
AP
AB
Thank
you,
and,
and
just
a
quick
follow-up
I
hear
the
term
High
Acuity
sort
of
being
thrown
around
a
lot
as,
like
you
know,
should
someone
go
into
shelter?
Should
someone
go
in
support
of
housing
should
they
go
into
social
housing,
affordable
housing
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
address
what
that
tag
means
and
how
we
can
sort
of
assess
people
in
a
way
that
is
going
to
get
them
into
the
housing
that
they
deserve.
AP
We
do
typically
do
assessments
at
the
shelter
and
then
we
continue
to
do
those
assessments
with
the
individual
where
we
explore
different
areas
of
their
life
and
through
that
assessment
we
get
a
sense
of
what
their
level
of
support
need
is,
and
that
might
give
us
some
indication
whether
this
person
would
do
better
living
in
support
of
housing
or
living
independently
in
a
private
Market.
Catherine
I,
don't
know
if
there's
anything
you
wanted
to
add.
AA
A
Thank
you
very
much,
and,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
the
work
that
that
you
do
in
the
community.
Obviously,
it's
critical
to
to
our
success
as
a
city,
the
two
questions,
I
think
for
you,
based
on
some
of
the
things
that
I've
heard
from
delegations
this
morning.
The
first
was
we
heard.
One
of
the
delegations
speak
to
a
highly
distributed
model
of
Supportive
Housing,
in
which
people
are
in
households
of
an
apartment
here,
an
apartment.
There
is
that
practical.
AP
No,
that
would
not
be
practical.
It
wouldn't
be
possible
to
offer
supports
to
people
when
they
are
living
in
individual
Apartments,
spread
out
across
the
city,
and
that's
why
it's
most
practical
and
I
assume
cost
effective
to
have
a
singular
building
that
has
the
supports
built
in
in
our
buildings.
For
example,
tenants
can
just
take
the
elevator
when
they
work
down
to
the
main
floor
and
they
can
access
our
housing
support
office,
so
their
supports
are
pretty
literally
right
outside
of
their
door.
AP
AP
AP
Yeah
and
and
also
people
who
require
those
supports
or
who
want
those
supports,
typically
need
them
right
away.
It's
it's
not
feasible
to
have
to
get
on
a
bus.
You
know
we
talked
about
Transportation
earlier
today
to
get
on
a
bus
for
two
hours
to
get
a
support
for
calling
your
doctor.
You
know
it,
it
wouldn't
work.
No.
A
A
Forgive
me
phase
the
wrong
word:
cluster
sizes.
How
how
big
are
your
buildings?
Do
you
have
thoughts
on
the
appropriate
size
ability
in
order
to
achieve
the
best
outcomes,
and
and
what
can
we
tell
residents
about
the
right
size
of
Supportive
Housing
Development
to
put
on
this
site,
as
we
make
those
decisions
in
the
months
to
come?.
AP
A
So
as
we
move
through
the
decision
about
how
to
use
this
site,
you
know
it's
it's
possible
that
the
entire
was
the
Seminary
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
a
seminary.
What
was
the
building
is
that
the
appropriate
word?
Thank
you,
Pedro
Seminary.
You
know
some
of
that
may
be
best
to
use
for
administration
and
services
that
go
along
with
it.
A
Maybe
the
right
thing
to
do
with
this
parcel
is
to
build
a
new
building
on
the
property
that
is
right,
sized
for
the
outcomes
that
we
want
to
achieve,
but
it's
interesting
to
hear
the
size
of
buildings
that
you
have
which
sound
intuitively
like
the
right
ones,
but
I'll
look
forward
to
that
consultation.
All
right.
Thank
you.
Chair.
C
C
C
C
H
Was
trying
to
keep
track
of
when
I
would
be
up
on
this
meeting?
I
apologize
yeah,
so
I
just
wanted
to
express
my
support.
I'm
a
community
family
doctor
in
Ottawa
I've,
been
working
in
the
community
for
over
10
years
and
I've
also
been
working
that
whole
time
at
the
Ottawa
Hospital
on
an
inpatient,
acute
Hospital,
Ward
and
so
I'll.
H
And
you
know
in
my
roles
as
a
community
family
doctor
and
also
working
in
the
hospital
I,
see
firsthand
the
impacts
on
people
in
terms
of
their
health
when
they
are
unstably,
housed,
unsheltered,
experiencing
homelessness
or
vulnerable
to
to
experiencing
homelessness,
and,
in
contrast,
I
also
see
people
who
greatly
benefit
from
Supportive
Housing
environments
due
to
their
complex
psychosocial
and
medical
needs.
And
it's
really.
H
It
makes
a
tremendous
difference
for
the
healthcare
provider
in
terms
of
providing
care.
When
you
know
that
your
patient
has
housing
and
has
the
supports
that
they
need
in
the
community-
and
it
makes
it
a
lot
easier
for
healthcare
professionals
to
do
their
job
job
and
much
more
fulfilling
for
the
patient
and
for
the
healthcare
provider
and
I
just
wanted
to
really
note
that
patients
who
are
unhoused
or
precariously
or
unstably
housed
come
from
all
over
the
city
of
Ottawa.
I,
definitely
see
this
in
my
practice.
H
You
know
they
come
from
Suburban
communities,
they
come
from
Urban,
rural
all
areas
and
but
I
practice,
basically
in
Vanier
and
so
I
see
firsthand
and
I
know
through
living
in
these
communities
that
you
know
this
area
has
a
disproportionate
amount
of
the
services
and
affordable
housing
and
shelter
services
for
the
entire
city,
and
so
I.
I
do
think
that
these
challenges
need
to
be
addressed
across
the
city
and
I.
Think
it's
a
really
positive
development
to
see
this
large
amount
of
land,
hopefully
becoming
available
for
Supportive,
Housing
and
I.
H
Just
you
know
we're
working
in
the
hospital.
We
see
a
huge
impact
on
length
of
stay
so
how
many
days
people
stay
in
hospital
when
they
don't
have
stable
housing
or
especially
when
they
need
Supportive
Housing,
and
this
is
a
main
reason
that
people
stay
in
hospital
longer
than
they
need
to
so
they're
ready
to
go
home,
but
they
don't
have
a
stable
place
to
go.
They
don't
have
the
Supportive
Housing
that
they
need
and
it's
similar
to
the
long-term
care
crisis
and
I.
H
Think
it's
just
you
know
it's
terrible
when
people
you
know
can't
leave
the
hospital
they're
well
enough
to
do
so
or
they
do
and
they
go
back
to
a
very
unstable
situation
and
and
inevitably
will
come
back
to
the
hospital.
Lastly,
I
just
wanted
to
comment
that
I
live.
You
know
between
like
near
where
my
my
clinic
is
there's
the
Water
Ridge
Development,
which
has
veterans
house
I'm.
Sure
many
people
are
aware
of
it.
It's
a
brand
new
mixed
use,
residential
development.
There
are
beautiful
parks
nearby.
H
There
are,
you
know,
a
wide
diverse.
You
have
people
living
in
that
Community
already,
although
it's
still
under
construction
and
Veterans
house
from
what
I
understand
has
about
40
single
units
in
its
own
building
with
beautiful
facilities
and
having
you
know
rid
of
my
bike
through
there
many
times
it,
you
know
it
seems
to
function
really
well
and
I've
never
heard
anything
negative
about
it.
So
I
would
encourage
people
to
be
supportive
of
this,
and
if
there
are
questions
that
I
can
answer,
I'd
be
happy
to.
AM
Hi
Dr
Waters.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
delegation
today.
I
just
have
a
quick
question.
In
your
experience
and
in
working
with
people
what
sort
of
services
would
you
see
as
as
good
to
be
integrated
in
a
development
like
this?
That
has
a
lot
of
potential
I
mean
those
discussions
will
be
happening,
we're
going
to
have
lots
of
them,
but
I
just
wondered
why
we
have
you
on
the
line
now,
if
you
could
share
any
insights.
H
H
You
know
just
Community,
you
know
community
health
workers,
personal
support
workers.
You
know
people
often
need
just
to
know
that
there's
someone
else
there
someone
they
can
talk
to
someone.
They
trust.
During
the
covid
vaccination
period,
I
went
in
to
do
community
vaccination
with
Ottawa
Public
Health
at
options
by
Town
throughout
Vanier
and
Overbrook,
and
so
I
experienced
firsthand.
H
You
know
working
alongside
a
lot
of
the
staff
that
options
by
town
has
and
one
of
the
things
that
was
really
great
is
they
have
you
know,
tenant
support
workers
as
well
so
peer
support,
and
that
you
know
seems
to
be
quite
effective
and
yeah
I
I
mean
I,
think
there's
probably
the
possibility
of
some
on-site
Medical
Services,
but
I,
don't
think
that's
necessary,
I!
Think
it's
more
the
social
services
that
people
need
the
human
human
connection
and
support.
C
C
C
AR
It
is
a
long-term
Strategic
investment
in
program,
support
and
services
for
some
of
our
communities
most
marginalized
and
disadvantaged
members.
Ottawa
Silas
is
very
pleased
to
endorse
this
purchase
following
housing,
first
best
principles
and
best
practices.
Together
with
the
city
and
our
Community
Partners.
We
can
see
this
purchase
as
the
foundation
to
reimagine
how
we
will
advance
Supportive
Housing
unit
development,
but
also
coordinated
Service
delivery
and
integration
across
the
housing
and
homeless
sector
and
our
broader
Health
Care
system.
AR
A
Thank
you
and
Mark.
Thank
you
for
being
here
today.
You
know
the
Regard
in
which
I
hold
the
work
that
you
do
and
I'm
pleased
that
you're
doing
it
so
much
in
gives
us
a
reward
where,
where
we
need
it,
Mark
you've
seen
the
price
tag
18
and
a
half
million
dollars.
I
know
that
Salas
is,
is
sort
of
constantly
in
a
a
look
around
with
respect
to
land
and
the
ability
to
expand.
Are
we
overpaying
at
18
and
a
half
million.
AR
No,
that's
that's
an
incredible
deal
for
a
piece
of
land
that
size
and
the
potential
and
what
we
have
to
think
about
is
think
about
the
potential
of
What,
Might,
Be,
Imagined
and
we're
starting
in
that
Journey.
But
this
is
the
investment
up
front
and
it's
a
solid
investment.
From
salus's
perspective.
AR
I
I
did
I
actually
have
driven
by
to
really
get
a
good
sense
and
look
at
all
the
services
that
are
close
by
it's.
A
really
good
location
and
I
think
you
know
right
now.
We
have
ideas,
the
community,
everybody
has
ideas,
but
what
we
have
to
do
is
allow
a
process
to
unfold
to
see
what
we
can
imagine
together
as
a
community
and
the
location
is
an
excellent.
AR
C
AS
Go
ahead,
sir
hello,
so
looking
at
this
file
and
the
acquisition
of
the
land
makes
me
think
a
lot
about
a
conversation
I
had
with
one
of
the
counselors
during
the
last
election.
I
won't
name
names,
but
they
said
that
other
companies
succeed
because
they
have
a
culture
of
moving
fast
and
breaking
things,
and
in
Ottawa
we
have
a
culture
of
moving
slowly
and
missing
things.
AS
AS
Could
you
imagine
if
you
called
a
fireman
to
your
house,
because
your
house
was
on
fire
and
he
got
there
and
he
wanted
to
make
sure
he
was
parked
in
a
place
that
wasn't
going
to
inconvenience
anyone
and
what
color
are
you
going
to
paint
the
kitchen?
Once
you
start
rebuilding
and
everything
and
no
your
house
is
on
fire.
He
moves
quickly.
He
moves
decisively.
He
gets
things
done.
AS
We
every
day
that
homeless
people
or
people
suffering
from
homelessness,
whatever
language
you
choose
to
use
remain
on
the
street,
is
a
day
that
poses
a
danger
to
them,
whether
it's
exposure
or
drug
addiction
or
violence.
The
city
has
had
an
opportunity
to
buy
a
property
at
a
pretty
respectable
value.
I
appreciate
that
it's
not
the
solution
that
a
lot
of
us
would
like
the
location
is
not
great.
It's
not
very
walkable.
Altavista
is
largely
a
monoculture
of
mediocre
single-family
homes.
You
know
the
building
is
in
rough
shape.
AS
AS
AT
Hello
good
afternoon,
everyone
thank
you
for
having
me
today.
My
name
is
Rachel
Wilson
and
I'm,
the
CEO
of
the
Ottawa
Food
Bank
I'm
here
representing
the
Ottawa
Food
Bank,
and
the
112
emergency
food
programs
that
are
members
of
our
Network.
We
strongly
support
the
city's
proposal
to
acquire
1245
kilborn
place
for
permanent
Supportive
Housing.
This
acquisition
represents
a
critical
opportunity
to
address
homelessness
and
affordable
housing
in
our
city
in
Ottawa.
Food
insecurity
is
a
significant
symptom
of
poverty,
exacerbated
by
issues
such
as
inflation,
income,
equality
and
the
lack
of
affordable
housing.
AT
The
number
of
visits
have
increased
to
food
banks
by
37
percent
in
the
last
year
alone.
This
has
led
to
a
crisis
think
of
food
banks
as
early
indicators
of
community
distress
when
our
numbers
rise.
It
signals
a
deeper
issue
and
the
link
between
food
and
security
and
housing
are
clear.
People
go
without
meals,
first,
followed
by
bills
and
rent.
We
consistently
find
that
the
lack
of
affordable
housing
is
the
primary
driver
of
hunger
in
our
community.
AT
Nearly
50
percent
of
the
individuals
who
rely
on
a
food
bank
in
our
Network
are
paying
Market
rents,
revealing
that
even
those
meeting
their
housing
expenses
often
struggle
with
food
insecurity.
Many
are
forced
to
make
the
difficult
decision
between
paying
for
housing
or
buying
groceries,
leading
them
to
turn
to
a
food
bank
in
an
emergency
food
program
to
make
ends
meet.
This
underscores
the
vital
link
between
stable
housing
and
access
to
nourishing
meals.
We
align
ourselves
with
the
city's
perspective
that
we
urgently
need
more
affordable
housing
to
comprehensively
address
poverty.
AT
The
concept
of
permanent
Supportive
Housing,
as
exemplified
by
the
proposed
acquisition
of
1245
Kilbourne
Place,
represents
a
significant
step
towards
achieving
this
essential
goal.
Food
programs
in
Ottawa
do
all
they
can
to
address
the
basic
needs
of
families
and
individuals.
Our
Network
continues
to
serve
hundreds
of
people
housed
in
hotels
and
motels
rooming
houses
and
in
need
of
supportive
and
permanent
housing,
but
emergency
food
support
is
not
enough
to
keep
people
off
the
streets
or
out
of
shelters.
AT
Our
city
has
a
significant
lack
of
affordable
housing,
and
until
this
is
addressed,
we
will
continue
to
see
record
numbers
of
people.
Turning
to
food
banks,
permanent
Supportive
Housing,
like
the
possibility
envisioned
at
1245
Kilbourne
Place
aligned
seamlessly
with
this
preventative
approach.
This
is
a
good
investment,
whether
it
is
Supportive,
Housing
or
Market.
Rent
more
housing
will
help
alleviate
the
current
crisis.
The
cost
of
poverty
is
clear.
AT
If
the
city
is
not
willing
to
support
this
purchase
now,
you
will
pay
for
it
later
through
increased
costs
and
shelters,
hotels
and
police
and
Health
and
Social
Services.
We
urge
you
to
approve
this
purchase
as
a
pivotal
step
in
the
fight
against
homelessness
and
housing
in
our
city.
By
investing
in
affordable
housing,
we
can
reduce
the
dependence
on
food
banks
and
shelters,
ultimately
working
towards
a
more
secure
and
proper
prosperous
City
for
all.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration.
AT
C
I
AU
AU
AU
Your
property
drops
just
buy
a
couple
percentage
points.
It
seems
like
we
have
our
priorities
kind
of
misaligned
there
when
there's
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
people
are
having
to
live
on
the
streets
during
our
cold
Winters,
not
knowing
where
they're
going
to
be
tomorrow,
you
worrying
about
whether
your
house
dropped
a
couple
thousand
dollars
and
and
value
seems
kind
of
insane
to
me.
It
seems
like
we
kind
of
laughed
with
sympathy
that
I
I
feel
like
at
hope.
Our
city
members
should
have
towards
each
other.
AU
It
almost
seems,
like
some
people,
don't
view
homeless
people
as
humans,
they
kind
of
view
them
as
someone
that
they'd
wish
they'd
get
out
of
their
their
city.
Another
thing
people
keep
mentioning
is
that
this
would
bring
kind
of
a
safety
concern
to
their
Community,
as
I
think
Stephanie
Pond
has
mentioned
a
couple
times
like
her.
Her
word
obviously
deals
a
lot
of
this
and-
and
it
doesn't
seem
fair
to
put
this
into
just
one
specific
area
of
the
city.
AU
AU
To
fix
this.
You
know
I,
think.
Another
thing
too,
is
when
we
talk
about
whether
we
should
you
know
tackle
this
issue
or
whether
it
should
be
left
to
how
we're
currently
dealing
with
things.
It's
very
obvious
that
our
current
solution
or
lack
of
solution
is
not
enough.
We
apparently
a
lot
of
the
ways
that
we
deal
with
this
housing
issue
for
homeless.
People
is
short-term
housing,
as
others
mentioned,
and
in
the
long
run,
this
costs
the
city
more
money.
AU
You
know
the
people
that
have
to
live
in,
shelters
or
hotels
or
whatever
this
costs
the
city
more
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things
so
worrying
about
whether
your
tax
dollar
is
going
towards
this
community
housing
here
or
whether
it's
going
to
go
to
the
short-term
housing
that
they're
currently
using
to
help
their
issues
is.
It
seems
insane
because
you're.
C
AV
So
if
they
see
that
they're
on
social
assistance
or
if
they're
receiving
a
housing
supplement,
they
won't
get
the
opportunity
to
rent
one
of
those
units,
even
though
they
may
have
the
the
means
to
do
so.
And
so
one
person
not
getting
the
support
of
housing
that
they
need
can
sometimes
not
only
affect
them
as
an
individual.
But
it
would
also
have
an
effect
on
possibly
four
five
six
other
people
not
getting
housing.
That
would
have
been
able
to
get
that
housing
other
otherwise,
because
of
the
effect
that
it
might
have
on
the
landlord.
AV
AV
I
I
want
to
push
back
on
the
idea
of
needing
to
slow
down
on
these
decisions
and
and
increase
consultations.
In
my
experience,
slowing
down
is
how
we've
gotten
to
the
point
where
we
have
400
almost
400
people
on
the
waiting
list
right
now
and
the
I
want
to
speak
to
the
effects.
You
know
we
kind
of
have
people
talking
about
the
effects
of
of
they
want
more
consultation
or
they
want
the
things
to
take
longer
and
how
it
might
affect
them.
AV
The
I
don't
think
we
can
understate
the
effect
that
not
having
a
safe,
affordable
place
to
live,
has
on
somebody's
mental
state
on
their
ability
to
to
to
feel
good
about
themselves
to
to
overcome
their
their
challenges.
And
I
would
unashamedly
ask
that
city
council
move
more
quickly
and
not
slower
on
this
issue.
AV
E
Great
thank
you
very
much
Jan
for
your
delegation
today
and
I'm
just
a
little
a
little
confused,
so
you're
in
support
of
what
counselor
Carter
is
doing
here
and
you're
saying
we
should
be
expeditious
in
making
sure
that
we
make
people
much
happier
good
and
so
on
that
the
other
thing
is
so
you
have
no
concerns
with
this
and
you
support
Council
moving
forward
on
this
specifically
council
card.
That's
led
the
charge
on
this.
AV
C
G
G
I
know
that
being
a
location
is
important
being
close
to
facilities
such
as
grocery
stores,
Transit,
Social,
Services,
Medical
Care
is
very
important
because,
most
of
the
time
like
my
family
hadn't
had
a
car
for
a
while
and
being
able
to
walk
to
our
to
local
Services,
especially
as
some
someone
who's
tight
on
money
with
Equity
pass
and
affordable.
Transit
makes
it
easier
if
those
locations
are
closer
to
those
people
all
right.
So
sorry.
C
G
Time,
yeah
location
is
very
important
for
people
in
situations
such
as
people
in
support
of
housing,
look
yeah,
the
being
able
to
access
services
and
school
schools,
medical
care
and
all
that
with
a
reasonable
distance,
as
well
as
access
to
Transit
throughout
the
giving
you
access
throughout
the
city
is
very
important.
It's
location,
beside
Billings
Bridge,
as
well
as
beside
other
affordable
housing,
give
people
who
would
potentially
live
in
support
of
housing
on
this
land
advantage
in
trying
to
move
up
in
their
life.
G
The
location
where
I
live
is
close
to
Affordable
food,
affordable
service,
affordable
health
care
and
Affordable
Services,
which
I
was
able
to
use
for
most
of
my
life
growing
up
and
I'm.
Now,
at
a
point
where
I'm
able
to
move
out
of
those
supportive
elements
and
move
on
with
my
life
eventually,
but
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
be
in
the
position
where
I
am,
if
it
wasn't
for
those
Services
I
would
had
access
access
to
because
of
the
location
I
lived
in.
So
this.
G
What
I'm
saying
is
basically
having
this
location
being
Supportive
Housing,
especially
with
its
proximity
to
many
services,
that
people
of
lower
incomes,
desperately
need
is,
is
very
important
as
well
as
the
main
reason
I
came
to
speak
out
was
because
of
social,
certain
conflicts
and
intention
that
just
brought
in
the
media,
where
people
who
spoke
out
against
the
project
brought
up
certain
statistics
that
have
effect
that
I
have
experienced
negatively
affect
people.
In
my
situation,
where
the
idea
that
low-income
housing
in
general
bring
Crime
or
certain
other
poorly.
G
Instead
statistics
and
I
just
thought
it
would
be
not
just
beneficial.
It's
important
for
me
to
come
out
and
speak
out
against
those
stereotypes
that
might
can
be
built
in
my
community
have
been
faced
with
just
because
we
are
of
lower
income
or
that
people
who
need
support
of
housing
doesn't
mean
that
it
would
negatively
impact
the
community
around
them,
and
it
just
means
that
we
just
need
a
little
bit
more
help
moving
up
in
life
and
yeah.
That's
yeah!
That's
what
I
want
to
say.
C
AB
AW
AW
Okay,
my
apologies
I
can
see
okay
anyway,
so
my
name
is
Mary
Huang
I
am
the
president
of
Central
Time,
Community,
Association
and
I'm.
The
coach
here
of
the
housing
affordability
working
group
I,
am
also
on
the
steering
committee
and
treasurer
of
Auto
community
business
benefits,
Network
and
I'm.
Also
on
the
task
force.
You
Revitalize
Ottawa
downtown
today,
I'm
here
to
speak,
both
as
an
individual
and
as
the
president
of
Samsung
Community
Association
in
support
of
the
acquisition
of
1245
people
in
place.
AW
The
central
city
of
Ottawa
has
declared
housing
performance
as
emergency
in
January
2020,
and
there
is
we
have
both
the
city
of
August
10
year.
Housing
homeless
is
playing
in
2020
2023
and
the
integrated
transition
housing
strategy
from
this
year.
Everyone
can
see
that
the
homelessness
issue
is
getting
much
worse
in
over
the
last
few
years.
AW
AW
AW
The
coupon
project
is
a
unique
opportunity
that
can
address
some
of
these
adults
need
for
Supportive
Housing,
with
the
ability
to
do
some
quick
conversion
for
a
number
of
units
and
potentially
build
more
Supportive,
Housing
mixed
housing
or
even
long-term
care.
So,
whatever
you
know,
even
even
Market
housing,
if
we
want
to
so
the
it's
a
Unique
Piece,
it's
a
very
significant
piece
of
land
that
doesn't
come
on
the
market
very
often
and
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
to
do
with
it.
AW
There's
a
lot
of
high-end
development
coming
up
at
banking
Riverside,
and
this
will
keep
or
bring
a
little
mix
of
the
community
and
and
it's
a
perfect
15-minute
neighborhood
near
Transit
shopping,
Services,
Community,
Etc,
so
I
I
don't
understand
why
their
own
residence
said
it's
not
a
good
location
because
they
choose
you
live
there,
so
yeah
they
might
have
chose
to
live
there.
For
some
reason.
In
central
town
we
have
a
lot
of
Supportive
Housing,
such
as
options
by
Town,
Youth,
Services
Bureau
and
the
new
John
Howard
Society
at
500.
AW
AW
I
know,
there's
some
resistant
even
to
the
the
indigenous
women
shelter
at
500,
the
blister
and
for
some
questions
today.
But
a
lot
of
the
people
in
Centertown
are
supported
of
that
project
and
we
we,
the
Central
Community
Association,
are
trying
to
gather
donations
to
make
up,
welcome
kits
for
the
incoming
residents.
We
are
taking
off
their
share.
So
I
I
disagree
with
the
speakers
who
said
the
rest
of
this
city
are
not
taking
their
fair
share.
AW
We
are,
and
probably
more
than
our
fair
share,
but
I
think
it's
needed
and
and
I
think
it's
it's
necessary.
So
we
strongly
urge
members
of
this
committee
and
the
council
to
support
the
acquisition
of
to
continue
to
support
the
acquisition.
Note,
12
45,
kill
one
place
and
to
use
it
for
supportive
and
mixed
housing
and
some
some
services.
AW
C
AX
Hi
I'm
here
hi.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
in
support
of
acquisition.
The
acquisition
of
1245
Kilbourne
place
for
Supportive
Housing
I,
moved
to
Ottawa
in
2009
and
have
lived
in
four
different
neighborhoods
I've
lived
in
Lower,
Town,
new
Edinburgh,
Britannia
and
Canada
and
I'm
here
today
to
share
my
lived
experience
as
a
person
who
has
lived
in
support
of
housing,
with
the
hope
that
it
will
help
the
committee
to
decide
to
support
the
purchase
of
this
property.
AX
AX
I
grew
up
in
Toronto
in
what
looked
like
a
typical
middle
class.
Family
I
never
wanted
for
any
material
thing.
I
went
to
Camp
I
took
art
classes
and
ballet
lessons,
but
I
was
also
being
abused
by
my
parents
in
1989.
Remember,
I
said
this
was
more
than
30
years
ago,
when
I
was
16
years
old.
I
left
my
parents
home
for
my
own
safety.
AX
I
thought
I'd
leave
school
for
a
few
months
and
return
in
September.
Little
did
I
know
that
I
would
spend
the
next
10
years
living
a
life
of
uncertainty
and
poverty
in
the
first
14
months
on
my
own
I,
couch
surfed
and
house
SAT,
but
it
was
all
temporary.
I
did
not
realize
it
at
the
time,
but
I
was
experiencing
homelessness.
AX
Living
in
poverty
is
hard.
You
constantly
worry
about
whether
you
have
enough
food
or
money.
I
was
a
16
year
old
kid
who
was
now
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
live
as
an
adult
I
didn't
know
how
much
things
cost
and
I
had
no
clue
about.
All
that
is
involved
in
running
a
household.
You
have
to
pay
rent
utilities,
public
transit,
food
phone,
find
change
for
the
laundromat
and
more
plus
I
was
alone
in
dealing
with
the
aftermath
of
the
trauma.
I
had
experienced,
I
found
a
job
as
the
cashier.
AX
The
retail
job,
as
a
cashier
and
I
worked
full-time
hours
earning
minimum
wage,
and
it
was
all
that
I
was
qualified
to
do
with
a
grade.
10
education,
I'd
earned
enough.
I'd
earned
enough
to
pay
the
rent
and
not
much
else
in
March,
1990
I
was
at
work
on
a
busy
day.
I
looked
up
to
see
the
next
customer
in
line
was
the
Rector
of
my
childhood
Church,
with
whom
I
had
been
very
close,
but
had
lost
contact.
AX
He
asked
about
what
I
had
been
doing
so
I
made
arrangements
to
visit
his
office
a
few
days
later
when
I
filled
him
in
on
what
had
been
happening
in
my
life,
he
was
shocked.
The
next
thing
that
happened
changed
the
direction
of
my
life.
The
church
had
entered
a
into
a
partnership
with
a
women's
shelter
to
build
Supportive
Housing
in
our
community.
AX
AX
AX
The
first
thing
I
did
was
apply
for
student
welfare
now
called
Ontario
Works,
then
I
registered
in
high
school
and
resumed.
My
education,
I
also
began
therapy
to
address
the
trauma
of
the
abuse.
I
had
entered
Supportive
Housing,
provided
me
with
the
security
that
comes
from
having
a
safe
and
affordable
place
to
live.
AX
What
I
think
many
people
don't
understand
is
that
all
of
this
takes
time.
People
expect
instant
results
and
believe
that
there
should
be
a
time
limit
for
how
long
people
should
be
allowed
to
access
social
services.
But
nothing
is
a
quick
fix,
especially
complicated
issues
such
as
poverty,
food
insecurity,
mental
health
supports
and
access
to
housing.
I
did
not
fully
understand
the
impact
that
leaving
an
abusive
home
would
have
on
me.
I
didn't
realize
that
I
would
spend
the
next
10
years
living
in
poverty
and
another
12
years
repaying
student
loans.
AX
It
took
22
years
to
get
to
the
other
side
of
a
situation
that
was
entirely
caused
by
the
actions
of
others.
I
spent
that
time
working
hard
in
school
and
in
therapy
worrying
about
having
enough
money
to
pay
my
bills
and
then,
if
I,
would
ever
find
a
job
to
repay
the
student
loans.
The
Life
I
Lived
today
is
a
direct
result
of
accessing
Supportive,
Housing
social
assistance,
student
loan
programs,
Therapy
Services
and
food
banks.
AX
AX
AX
If
the
finance
committee
approves
the
proposal
to
purchase
1245
Kilbourne
place
and
I
sincerely
hope
that
it
does,
it
will
mean
that
the
city
of
Ottawa
is
committing
to
invest
both
money
and
services
into
helping
vulnerable
people
access
the
supports
and
services.
They
need
that
will
Empower
them
to
make
decisions
that
will
positively
impact
the
direction
of
their
lives.
C
C
AO
All
right
here
we
go
again.
Thank
you
so
much
Sharon.
Thank
you.
Laura
for
sharing
your
lived
experience,
I
think
it's
really
important
I'm,
just
wondering
if
you
could
speak.
You
know,
because
some
of
the
concerns
from
coming
from
the
community
are
about
concentration
of
services
and
concentration
of
people
and
I'm,
just
wondering
if
you
could
speak
to
the
benefits
or
drawbacks
of
living
with
other
people
before
going
through
similar
struggles
and
how
that
benefited.
Your
trajectory.
AX
Or
you
don't
remember
you
don't
know.
I
was
17
when
I
moved
into
this
apartment
and
I
lived
there
until
I
was
25.
and
we
were
15
women
and
we
had
weekly
meetings
with
as
a
community
as
a
building.
We
talked
out
our
problems.
Everyone
got
to
see
everybody
else's
struggles,
the
majority
of
my
neighbors
and
my
friends.
These
people
became
family.
AX
They
were
in
recovery
from
substance
addiction,
and
this
was
a
result
of
the
trauma
that
they
had
endured
and
that
community,
knowing
that
there
was
a
safe
place
where
you
could
go
at
the
end
of
the
day
and
close
the
door
behind
you
and
know
that
you
were
completely
safe
because
you
were
surrounded
by
people
who
cared
about
you.
It
made
all
the
difference.
AX
AB
Yes,
hi.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
just
wanted
to
Echo
the
mayor's
comments.
Thanking
you
for
coming
today
and
delegating
I
know
we
keep
sort
of
coming
back
to
this.
We're
only
talking
about
the
acquisition
of
the
building
and
not
Supportive
Housing
directly,
but
I
do
want
to
thank
you
again
for
for
coming
today.
It's
really
really
important
that
people
hear
stories
such
as
yours.
AX
Thank
you.
I
know
that
this
is
just
about
buying
the
land,
but
I
know
that
there
is
potential
here
and
we
hear
about
the
people
who
don't
want
this
in
their
Community.
We
hear
from
the
people
who
provide
the
services
to
those
who
need
them,
but
we
don't
hear
often
from
people
who
have
lived
experience
with
these
issues.
AX
AX
I
guess
I'm
glad
I'm,
showing
the
emotion
around
it,
because
it's
important
for
people
to
know
there's
a
way
through
and
there's
a
way
to
the
other
side.
You
cannot
do
it
alone
and
it
takes
investment
and
I
know.
We
talk
about
budget
cuts
and
the
city
budget
right
now
and
everything
that's
going
on
and
everything
is
so
expensive.
But
if
we
continue
to
not
support
our
most
vulnerable
people,
we
will
just
continue
to
grow
a
class
of
vulnerable
people.
AN
C
X
X
X
Recently
I
was
a
volunteer
on
a
committee
for
the
federal
study
building
on
Heron
Road
I
pushed
for
30
affordability,
housing
units
of
the
600
unit.
Federal
policy
is
10,
but
an
end.
20
is
the
recommendation
on
property.
Recently,
with
the
Kilbourne
property
was
put
on
the
agenda.
You,
an
unnamed
Source,
started
handing
out
doing
too
much
that
too
much
vulnerable
people
are
as
a
Bad
Thing
quote
in
the
dark
letters.
That
said,
there
is
nothing
wrong
with
Supportive
Housing,
but
there
is
everything
wrong
with
concentrating
too
many
vulnerable
people
in
one
place.
X
I
call
that
crap
there's
my
honest.
We
can
look
at
hearing
gate.
We
have
a
former
city,
councilor
Peter
Hume.
We
have
an
interim
leader
of
the
Ontario
Liberal
Party
John
Fraser,
and
now
we
have
a
couple
of
NFL
football
players
all
lived
in
the
area.
It
is
sad
that
we
have
to
have
the
mentality.
Everything
is
Everything
the
mentality
that
everything
is
good,
but
not
in
my
area.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
AM
AY
AY
Thank
you
good
afternoon,
members
of
the
finance
and
Corporate
Services
committee.
My
name
is
dejane
or
Ryu
daudia
and
first
off
I
want
to
mention
that
this
is
my
first
time
speaking
in
front
of
council
today,
I'm
here
representing
the
Ottawa
mission,
where
I
work
and
I
want
to
discuss
the
critical
importance
of
the
proposed
Supportive
Housing
Development
at
1245
Coburn
Place
I
also
want
to
thank
those
who
have
spoke
before
me
in
support
and
those
who
have
shared
their
invaluable
lived
experience.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
for
your
contribution.
AY
AY
each
one
of
those
369
individuals
on
that
waiting
list
represent
a
unique
story
and
struggle
at
the
mission.
We
see
these
stories
unfold
daily
men,
women,
young
adults
and
seniors
people
of
all
diverse
genders
and
backgrounds,
all
of
whom
are
facing
varying
adversities
and
yet
Thrive
for
one
common
goal:
a
home,
a
stable,
affordable
and
safe
environment
to
live
in
to
truly
comprehend
the
urgency
and
significance
of
this
issue,
I'd
like
to
share
the
stories.
One
of
the
stories
of
of
our
client
that
I
met
during
my
work.
AY
Michael
Michael
first
came
to
the
mission
searching
for
a
means
to
rebuild
his
life.
Despite
battling
personal
health
challenges,
Michael
successfully
graduated
from
the
missions,
Food
Services
training
program,
securing
him
a
full-time
job,
and
so
he
began
a
hopeful
new
chapter
in
his
life
just
a
year
or
so
after
he
began.
Working
Michael
was
renovated
from
his
rental
unit,
a
story
that
is
far
too
familiar
within
our
current
housing
climate.
AY
Today
Michael
is
forced
to
share
a
studio
apartment
with
two
other
men
due
to
the
skyrocketing
costs
of
rentals
in
our
in
our
city.
So
just
imagine
free
grown
adults
each
with
their
personal
struggles
and
stories.
Force
misses
such
cramped
quarters
because
they
simply
cannot
afford
upwards
of
two
thousand
dollars
per
month
for
rent
for
as
an
average
one
bedroom.
AY
If
we
at
the
mission
and
other
service
providers
like
us,
are
providing
the
training,
the
support
and
a
pathway
to
personal
progress,
only
to
have
individuals
pushed
back
into
unattainable
living
situations
due
to
lack
of
affordable
and
Supportive
Housing.
How
far
are
we
truly
advancing
as
much
as
we
strive
to
empower
individuals
by
providing
them
with
the
tools
and
skills
necessary
to
lead,
independent
and
individ
and
fulfilling
lives?
Our
hands
remain
tied
when
we
can
modify
one
of
the
most
essential
human
needs.
AY
AY
AY
In
the
last
eight
years,
new
statistics
from
the
Ottawa
real
estate
board
show
that
the
average
sale
price
for
a
free
health
Freehold
property
in
July
this
year
is
up
five
percent
from
the
July
of
last
year
and
I
would
also
like
to
remind
committee
that,
for
every
one
unit
of
affordable
housing
built
in
our
city,
seven
are
lost
due
to
practices
like
Renovations
and
dumb
evictions.
So
in
conclusion,
we
stand
at
a
pivotal
moment.
AY
The
property
at
12,
45
Kilbourne,
represents
a
Beacon
of
Hope
that
many
are
on
the
waiting
list
and
some
of
us
that
one
day
could
be
on
the
waiting
list
could
really
benefit
from.
So
let's
really
prioritize
compassion
and
understanding
and
the
well-being
of
all
citizens.
So
we
urge
the
committee
to
see
past
the
stigma
and
recognize
the
immeasurable
value
that
this
project
can
bring
to
our
city.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
for
your
consideration.
A
A
AY
I
would
Echo
many
of
the
same
sentiments
that
some
of
the
other
delegates
have
presented.
I
think
it's
a
a
really
great
location,
because
it
really
allows
us
to
provide
the
services
that
folks
might
need
once
they
transition
after
coming
and
receiving
our
services
here
at
the
mission,
and
it's
also
one
that
is
closer
to
things
like
Transit,
where
people
can
be
in
an
environment
around
them.
AY
That
not
only
has
other
folks
who
are
understanding
of
the
community,
but
they
can
also
enrich
the
community
that
they're
in
through
the
participation
in
various
community
events
and
just
cultural
contributions
in
general.
It's
really
I
view
it
as
not
only
just
a
life-saving
measure
for
a
lot
of
the
folks
But,
ultimately
an
enriching
experience
for
all
of
us
in
the
city
to
really
rub
shoulders
with
one
another
and
and
understand
what
it's
like.
You
know.
AZ
AZ
So
with
regards
to
the
financially
responsible
planning,
I
think
it's
important
to
have
planning
security
for
informed
recommendations.
The
former
diocesean
Center,
building
a
1245
Kilbourne
place
and
was
recently
vacated
due
to
asbestos
in
the
air,
plenums
I
believe,
according
to
a
report
commissioned
by
the
Archdiocese
in
2022.,
another
report
and
that's
the
one
too,
the
current
finds
and
corporate
service
committee
today,
and
also
to
the
Council
of
course,
on
September
13th.
AZ
AZ
So,
therefore,
the
completion
of
cellular
mediation
will
be
required
as
part
of
the
Redevelopment
of
the
of
the
site
so
to
put
in
in
context
as
everybody
knows,
asbestos
has
essentially
been
from
use
in
Canada
since
2018.
It's
carcinogenic
and
causes
cancer,
phcs
Are,
soil
contaminants.
They
consist
of
a
wide
range
of
organic
compounds.
They're
often
found
in
complex
mixtures
that
can
cause
a
wide
variety
of
problems
related
to
the
toxicity,
mobility
and
persistence.
That's
why
the
United,
States,
Environmental,
Protection,
Agency
or
EPA
has
listed
16
of
these
phds
as
priority
pollutants.
AZ
So
because
of
these
contaminants,
the
Archdiocese
currently
deems
the
site
unsuitable
for
occupation
and
so
there's,
in
my
opinion,
a
strong
potential
for
the
cost
to
expand
beyond
the
allocated
budget
of
20
million
dollars.
There's
a
real
risk
in
investing
what
I
understand
to
be
the
whole
annual
budget
to
improve
the
city's
Supportive
Housing
situation
into
a
single
site,
of
course.
Ethically
and
legally,
the
solution
cannot
be
to
house
a
vulnerable
population
contaminated
building
or
uncontaminated
grounds.
AZ
This
means
that
the
money
which
could
otherwise
be
used
for
acute
action
towards
Supportive
Housing
in
Alta,
Vista
or
elsewhere
in
the
city
will
need
to
be
spent
beforehand.
What
the
potential
of
ballooning
costs
and
significant
delays
all
at
the
expense
of
the
population,
urgent
need
of
Supportive
Housing
right
now.
AZ
I
was
very
pleased
to
learn
that
the
Raptor
report
includes
the
following
condition
that
the
city
has
time
to
review
and
satisfy
itself
with
a
BCA,
so
building
condition
outage
audit,
and
in
that
regard,
of
course,
a
qualified
consultant
was
retained
to
complete
a
BCA
in
order
to
provide
options
to
Housing
Services
as
to
any
future
use
of
the
Improvement
mothball
demolition,
renovation
and
repair.
The
report
will
provide
an
estimate
of
the
lifespan
of
the
building's
elements
and
systems
and
determine
the
repairs
Renovations
required
in
the
short
and
long
term.
AZ
It
will
also
provide
an
estimate
for
the
costs
for
each
of
these
options
and
the
same
report
states
that
the
market
value
compensation
was
supported
by
both
an
internal
City
appraisal,
as
well
as
a
third-party
independent
appraisal.
Both
appraisal
reports
concluded
that
the
highest
and
best
use
of
the
property
was
Demolition
of
the
existing
buildings
and
Redevelopment
for
residential
users.
AZ
Only
then
can
we
have
an
informed
decision
to
maximize
the
outcome
with
regards
to
the
supportive
housing
crisis,
it's
crucially
important
that
both
timeline
and
costs
associated
with
environmental
remediation
do
not
occur
at
the
expense
of
the
population
and
urgent
need
of
supportive,
high
quality
housing
right
now.
I
also
believe
that
it's
important
to
Foster,
true
integration
within
communities,
all
stakeholders,
including
the
local
population
of
Alta
Vista,
the
community,
asked
to
embrace
long-lasting
changes
and
deserve
constructive
discussion.
AZ
I
think
we've
heard
already
from
many
speakers
today
that
they're
quite
polarized
opinions
in
the
media,
like
the
Ottawa
Citizen,
for
example,
and
so
I-
think
it
is
really
really
important
to
also
get
the
community
on
board,
because
ultimately,
what
we
were
striving
for-
and
this
potentially
really
really
useful
project
is,
of
course,
to
not
only
have
the
support,
but
ideally
the
active
participation
and
involvement
of
the
rooted
Community
around
this
side.
Thank
you.
E
E
E
AZ
AZ
E
AZ
In
the
city,
I
think
everybody
does
and
I
think
everybody
should
participate
in
in
in
these
Supportive
Housing
activities.
I
think
it's
really
important,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
anybody
debates
that
I
think
the
question
for
the
financial
committee
is:
is
it
the
best
way
to
to
spend
this
money
in
this
one
location?
So
it's
it's
an
annual
budget
is
that
is
that
correct
for
that's
designated
for.
E
E
AZ
AZ
AI
If
any
major
issues
of
concern
are
raised
as
part
of
the
one,
the
building
condition,
audit
to
phase
one
and
phase
two
environmental
site
assessments
and
three,
the
title:
transfer,
free
and
clear
of
any
encumbrances,
so
committee
will
get
a
report.
Should
there
be
any
major
issues
on
any
of
these
three
items?
Thank
you.
A
So
this
is
on
behalf
of
a
councilor
Carr.
The
report
does
note
that
once
purchased
the
property
would
be
developed
and
the
year's
going
to
be
a
need
to
determine
exactly
what
to
do
with
it.
So
the
direction
that
she's
asking
staff
to
take
through
me
is
that
staff
work
with
the
ward,
counselor
and
partners
in
the
housing
homelessness
sector
to
design
a
comprehensive
consultation
process
to
inform
the
additional
housing
and
services
to
be
developed
over
the
long
term
of
the
site.
I
AH
A
AH
AD
AM
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Mayor
and
appreciate
the
chance
to
speak.
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
the
direction
that
Council
Libra
presented
on
my
behalf
and
and
to
provide
assurances
that
there
will
be
robust
consultation
with
the
community
and
all
Partners
on
this
going
forward.
It's
something
that
I
will
insist
upon
and
work
very
closely
with
staff
on
over
the
last
few
weeks,
people
were
obviously
concerned
to
hear
about
the
purchase
and
I
think
it's
really
important.
AM
I
think
it
was
well
explained
today
that
the
the
real
estate
policy
simply
doesn't
it
it's
not
something
that
we
consult
externally
on
based
on
the
policy,
so
I
know
that
people
in
the
neighborhood
were
certainly
surprised.
I'll
also
mention
that
my
counselor,
my
fellow
counselors,
were
also
surprised.
They
also
did
not
know
about
this
acquisition
and
and
that's
something
that
even
when
I
told
people
in
the
community
that
they
were,
they
were
surprised
about
it.
AM
It's
just
the
nature
of
the
the
transaction
that
most
people
didn't
know
about
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
really
thank
staff
as
well
for
all
the
work
on
this.
It's
a
tremendous
opportunity
for
the
community
and
I
know
that
we'll
have
lots
of
lots
of
people
engaged
in
the
process
as
we
work
through
this
over
the
next
year.
So
thank
you
very
much.
E
Great,
thank
you.
Mr
Mayor
I.
Don't
really
have
questions,
but
if
it's
okay
with
you
I'll
just
do
a
quick
wrap
up
in
in
saying
that
that
first
of
all,
I
want
to
applaud
counselor
Carr,
you
know
you.
This
is
your
first
term
and
to
be
Brave
and
Bold
and
make
these
moves
is.
Is
good
news,
I
drove
by
a
hotel,
a
motel,
sorry,
a
motel
in
my
neighborhood
that
has
kids
playing
in
the
parking
lot.
It's
not
a
community.
E
Something
I'll
continually
fight
for
even
on
an
fcm
call.
Today,
I
actually
brought
it
up
yet
again
and
that's
no
fault
of
the
MP
for
the
area
of
Mona
Forte.
It's
just
a
bureaucratic
challenge,
so
I'm
very
impressed
with
what
you've
done
here.
You
should
be
proud
of
what
you've
done
for
your
community
and
you
have
my
full
support.
Obviously,
on
trying
to
make
make
life
more
livable
for
people
in
Ottawa.
That's
all
I
have
today
Mr
Mayor.
Thank
you.
AG
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
I
had
a
question
to
staff,
so
you
hadn't
mentioned
that
following
today's
decision,
you're
continuing
to
do
your
due
diligence
that
includes
the
various
assessments
as
you
go
through
the
process.
Will
there
be
a
point
where
the
amount
that
we're
approving
today
could
be
less
based
on
your
findings,
whether
that's
through
the
building
audit
or
the
environmental
assessments?
Is
there
an
opportunity?
It
could
be
a
lesson.
A
lesser
amount.
AH
AG
AH
Mr
Mayor
so,
as
we've
discussed,
we're
we're
in
due
diligence
period
right
now,
we
have
until
January
2024
to
make
ourselves
comfortable
through
this
due
diligence
once
that
date
hits.
We
then
have
60
days
to
to
close,
not
to
say
that
if
we
finish
the
due
diligence
early
and
we're
comfortable
that
we
couldn't
close
earlier,
but
it
would
be
60
day
at
the
outset.
It'd
be
60
days
from
when
due
diligence
ends.
AG
Okay,
so
I
for
my
clarity
and
it
this
is
helpful.
None
of
this
is
being
done
with
a
snap
of
a
finger.
It's
not
like
shovels
will
be
in
the
ground.
Tomorrow
there's,
not
only
in
addition
to
the
acquisition
portion
of
this,
the
due
diligence
and
then
the
if,
if
the
land
is
acquired
the
process
and
that
there
is
then,
in
addition,
the
Folsom,
Public
consultation
piece
so
for
the
community
that
is
directly
adjacent
to
this
and
those
who
are
interested
the
stakeholders.
This
is
a
longer
term.
AG
AG
Clarity
and
one
of
our
delegations
mentioned,
they
were
speaking
to
the
founder,
to
find
property,
but
I
know
as
part
of
the
city's
integrated
transition
to
to
housing
commitment
and
our
our
housing
commitment
in
general.
The
city
is
constantly
looking
for
properties
and
different
Partnerships
in
all
areas
of
our
city,
and
this
is
not
the
only
one.
This
is
one
of
many
that
are
always
being
considered,
and
the
city
is
constantly
looking
for
opportunities
to
increase
our
portfolio
and
our
Partnerships
for
more
housing
for
our
community
is
that
is
that
the
case.
AG
Well,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
answers
and
I
wanted
to
to
compliment.
Councilor
Carr
I
know
that
this
is
a
difficult
situation
when
you're,
when
you're
in
the
midst
of
this
and
trying
to
work
with
the
community
and
I
have
to
say
she's
doing
a
phenomenal
job
handling
this
and
I'm
sure
she
will
have
a
robust
public
consultation
going
forward
at
where
the
community
will
have
an
opportunity
to
have
their
say.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Mayor.
A
You
very
much
this
is
a
great
opportunity
and
clearly
there's
the
motivated
seller
here
who
wants
to
leave
a
legacy
in
the
city.
They
could
sell
to
any
number
of
parties
for
significantly
more
money,
but
they've
chosen
to
work
with
the
city
and
that's
to
their
credit.
But
let's
take
a
look
at
the
worst
case.
I
want
to
understand
what
is
the
worst
that
could
happen.
A
Let's
say
that
this
land
is
is
unmitigatable.
It's
it's
prohibitively
expensive
to
try
to
build
on
it,
for
some
reason
that
we
cannot
think
of
today.
The
building
cannot
be
renovated.
It's
Pro
prohibitively
expensive
to
do.
The
bottom
falls
out
of
operating
agreements
between
the
province
and
our
agency
partners
are
are
not-for,
profit
Partners.
We
just
can't
move
ahead
with
this.
A
Would
it
be
fair
and
I'm
gut
checking
myself
here
to
assume
that
this
land
is
going
to
continue
to
appreciate
in
value
it's
obviously
a
very
good
location
I'm,
assuming
it's
going
to
continue
to
appreciate
in
value?
If
we
can't
do
what
we
want
to
do
with
the
land,
we
should
be
able
to
sell
it,
pocket
the
profits
and
have
even
more
money
available
for
some
sort
of
housing
initiatives
elsewhere.
AH
Mr
Mayor
investing
in
land
is
always
a
good
thing,
but
I
I
would
point
out
that
with
the
direction
we
have
I
mean
we'll
know,
if
there's
any
major
roadblocks
before
we
close
also.
So
if
we
do
have
a
major
issue
that
we
have
to
come
back
before
committee
and
Council,
then
they'll
staff
within
be
seeking
direction.
Do
you
still
want
to
go
forward,
given
this
major
hurdle
we
have
to
overcome
on
the
land
so.
A
I
have
more
than
enough
information
to
take
that
calculated
risk
today,
the
the
value
of
that
property
is
not
going
down,
but
I
also
want
to
nudge
staff,
I've
nudged,
the
mayor
I
know
the
mayor
agrees
that
we
also
want
to
get
moving
on
getting
those
consultations
done
and
and
using
this
land
for
the
purpose
for
which
would
be
acquiring
it.
Thank
you
very
much
mayor.
C
Thank
you,
councilor
leaper
I'll
just
quickly
add
a
comment
that
I
want
to
thank
Staff.
First
of
all
for
bringing
this
opportunity
forward,
because
I
think
it
is
a
huge
opportunity-
and
this
is
exactly
the
kind
of
thinking
and
the
kind
of
action
that
we
need
in
order
to
tackle
an
issue
like
this
one.
So
I'm
grateful
to
staff
for
their
initiative
on
this
and
their
leadership.
This.
This
really
gives
us
options.
C
It
gives
us
a
lot
of
very
good
options
and
we'll
be
discussing
those
options
with
the
community
and
Consulting
with
them
before
we
move
forward.
But
it
sets
us
up
to
have
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
tackle
a
pervasive
problem
and
a
chronic
problem
in
our
community
and
I
also
want
to
thank
councilor
Carr
for
her
leadership
and
collaboration
on
this.
We
together
wrote
an
article
that
was
published
in
the
citizen
on
this
topic
and
and
I.
C
Think
counselor
Carr
has
shown
great
leadership
in
looking
at
the
at
the
bigger
picture
here
and
the
opportunity
that
this
presents
for
our
entire
Community
to
move
forward
with
some
some
pretty
exciting
potential
Solutions.
So
with
that
is
the
motion
carried
okay.
Thank
you.
Let's
move
to
item
and
thank
you
Peter.
Thank
you,
Paul.
C
D
Do
comments
in
question
and
a
direction
to
staff
as
well
I
wanted
to
raise
this,
because
this
is
a
old
building
from
the
ear
of
the
goulburn
township
built
around
1960
I.
Don't
know
the
whole
history
of
this
building,
but
a
lot
of
the
community
facilities
back
then
were
fundraised
and
built
as
a
result,
a
direct
result
of
the
community
people
who
literally
did
walkathons
and
rolled
up
their
sleeves
and
put
the
concrete
bricks
into
the
building.
D
So
anytime,
we
have
a
disposal
of
a
property
Redevelopment
of
a
property
relating
to
goldburn
I,
always
treat
it
with
a
lot
of
sensitivity
and
caution
and
I
also
appreciate
staff.
I,
know
they're
well
aware
of
this
and
have
been
helpful
through
this
process,
and
this
building
has
been
used
as
a
daycare,
countless
Community
meetings,
most
recently
the
Stittsville
goulburn
Horticultural
Society,
the
local
guides
many
City
Rec
programs.
D
AH
AK
D
Thank
you,
and
the
other
thing
that
I
know
is
important
in
the
community
is
this
is
part
of
a
broader
plan
to
reinvest
in
community
facilities.
Specifically,
we
have
a
property
at
1631,
Statesville,
Main,
Street,
that's
currently
home
to
the
Statesville
food
bank
and
the
vision
or
the
idea
for
this
property
is
that
it
is
also
nearing
the
end
of
its
lifespan
and
similar
vintage
to
the
pretty
Street
Community
Association.