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Finance and Corporate Services Committee - April 4, 2023
B
C
B
Foreign
city
council
I
would
like
to
acknowledge
that
we
are
on
unseated
anishinaabe
Algonquin
territory.
The
peoples
of
the
anishinaabe
Algonquin
Nation,
have
lived
on
this
territory
for
Millennia
their
culture
and
their
presence
have
nurtured
and
continue
to
nurture
this
land.
The
city
of
Ottawa
honors,
the
peoples
and
land
of
the
anishinaabe
Algonquin
nation
and
honors
all
First
Nations,
Inuit
and
metis
peoples
and
their
valuable
past
and
present
contributions
to
this
land.
So
I'll
now
ask
the
committee
coordinator
to
do
a
quick
roll
call
of
all
members.
E
D
F
B
B
B
H
Mayor
I
can't
say
from
Legal
Services
standpoint,
part
of
what
we
do
is
when
we
assess
and
determine
whether
there
are
things
that
could
be
changed
or
modified
for
risk
management
perspective.
We
liaise
with
the
operating
Department
involved
and
provide
whatever
kind
of
advice
or
guidance.
We
might.
G
G
I
just
want
to
know
are
like
if
there
are
repeat
injuries
or
repeat,
incidents
that
cause
damage
to
vehicles,
for
example,
because
potholes
are
referenced.
I
just
have
want
to
get
a
sense,
whether
we're
making
improvements
to
lower
the
number
of
incidents
and
I
just
want
to
have
a
comment
on
that.
That
matter.
H
If
you
were
to
look
at
those
two
years
as
compared
to
2022,
you
would
see
a
not
huge,
but
you
would
see
an
increase
over
time.
Of
course,
as
the
the
city
grows,
we
do
see
an
increase
just
in
the
number
of
claims
overall,
and
that
may
be
potholes.
That
can
just
be
slipped.
That
could
be
all
types
of
claims.
H
I
Today's
presentation
is
an
overview
of
the
results
of
the
2022
operations
for
all
attacks
and
rates
supported
city
services
and
programs
as
part
of
the
finalization
of
the
2022
operations
and
preparation
for
our
2022
financial
statements.
Council
approvals
required
for
this
position
of
any
surpluses
or
funding
of
any
deficits.
Next
slide.
Please.
I
The
Citywide
tax
supported
Services
ended
the
year
with
a
three
million
dollar
deficit
in
comparison
to
our
previously
provided
forecasts,
which
is
forecasting
a
deficit
of
9.8
million.
So
the
city
continued
throughout
2022
to
continue
to
apply
cost-saving,
mitigations
and
risk
mitigations
to
ensure
that
we
can
reduce
that
for
debt
forecast
the
deficit
down
to
the
three
million
dollar
deficit.
I
The
combined
overall
tax
supported
services,
including
police,
Transit
and
Library
results
in
overall
tax
supported
deficit
of
23
million,
which
is
largely
driven
by
transit
services,
which
I'll
speak
to
a
little
later,
and
the
overall
rate
supported
program
finished
a
year
with
a
6.2
million
dollar
deficit
compared
to
the
previously
communicated
2.4
million
dollar
deficit.
In
our
forecasts
next
slide,
please.
I
So
this
is
a
high
level
summary
of
the
overall
results
by
Department
document.
2
in
the
supporting
documentation
does
provide
additional
details
by
service
area
within
each
of
the
respective
departments.
So
I'm
going
to
take
a
moment
just
to
kind
of
speak
to
some
of
the
key
drivers
in
the
overall
financials
for
2022..
I
One
of
the
biggest
impacts
that
we
were
faced
with
in
22
was
the
the
directorial
severe
weather
event
which
occurred
in
May
of
2022,
which
had
a
significant
impact
across
the
operations.
Approximately
19
million
dollars
worth
of
costs,
mainly
in
the
public
works
department
related
to
clean
up
and
addressing
the
storm.
I
Again,
there
was
no
funding
allocation
from
the
potential
level
or
any
other
level
to
kind
of
support
that,
in
addition
to
the
19
million
operating
costs,
there
was
an
additional
two
million
dollars
worth
of
capital
repair
costs
that
were
all
also
fully
absorbed
within
the
overall
2022
numbers
that
you
see
in
front
of
you.
The
continued
impact
of
the
the
pandemic
continues
to
significantly
impact
Transit
operations
within
the
2022
Transit
operating
results.
I
We
did
receive
77.4
million
of
provincial
funding,
resulting
in
a
funding
gap
of
25
million
dollars
due
to
timing
in
our
accounting
process
in
terms
of
closing
the
fiscal
year
in
So
at
the
end
of
2022.
As
we
closed
at
our
financials,
there
was
a
25
million
dollar
funding
Gap
with
respect
to
Transit
funding.
Subsequently,
two
weeks
ago,
we
did
receive
additional
confirmation
that
we
will
receive
an
additional
7.4
million
related
to
the
shortfall
in
2022.
I
So
in
this
again
in
this,
what
you
see
here,
because
of
our
time
again
practice
we
need
to
reflect
the
25
million
dollar
deficit.
We
did
get
further
confirmation
of
the
7.4
which
will
be
contributed
to
the
transit
operations
Reserve,
which
I'll
speak
to
in
in
the
later
slides,
the
the
Convoy
occupation.
Again
overall
across
city
services
and
Transit,
there
was
a
6.7
million
dollar
impact.
4.5
million
of
that
was
was
directly
impacting
transit
in
terms
of
their
revenue
loss
and
the
response
to
the
occupation.
2.2
million
of
that
was
across
city
services.
I
In
terms
of
response
to
our
our
response
to
supporting
Ottawa
Police
in
that
occupation
in
the
2022
Financial
results,
there
is
no
funding
received
from
the
federal
level
we
again
because
of
timing.
We
did
receive
confirmation
last
late
last
week
that
we
will
be
getting
Sun
funding
from
a
city-wide
perspective
and
a
transit
services
perspective.
We're
expecting
to
get
about
2.3
million
dollars
worth
of
funding
against
that
6.7
million
dollar
cost
impact
again
once
that
money
is
received
that
will
be
contributed
to
the
the
tax
stabilization
Reserve
with
respect
to
Citywide
Services.
I
Any
cost
that
we
receive
in
terms
of
the
transit
perspective
will
be
contributed
to
the
transit
operating
Reserve.
A
couple
other
items
I
would
like
to
highlight
on
this
slide
is
in
a
non-departmental
area.
We
are
seeing
deficits
again:
continuation
of
the
pilt
deficits
resulting
from
the
reduced
business
education,
tax
and
and
reduce
airport
pilts,
and
some
higher
tax
rebates
and
remissions
and
one
one
of
the
good
good
numbers
on
the
page
is
from
a
recreational
culture
and
Facilities
perspective.
We,
we
did
see
a
significant
Improvement
in
terms
of
our
Revenue.
I
When
we
compared
to
the
budget
of
2022,
we
actually
seen
a
much
faster,
quicker
return
in
terms
of
resumption
of
services
and
programs
in
the
recreational
culture
perspective
when
you
compare
to
when
we
set
our
budget
in
2022,
because
we
were
still
in
the
midst
of
that
pandemic.
So
that's
where
you're,
seeing
the
Improvement.
I
So,
overall,
when
you
look
at
the
overall
numbers
in
consideration
in
terms
of
those
key
drivers
that
I
highlight
there
I
think
that's
a
significant
Improvement
in
terms
of
what
we,
as
a
city,
been
able
to
absorb
and
risk
mitigate
in
terms
of
those
costs
that
we
have
limited
to
no
control
over
I
will
now
pass
over
to
my
colleague
Suzanne
to
speak
to
the
next
slide.
Next
slide.
Please.
J
I
Next
slide,
please
thank
you.
Suzanne
overall
in
2022,
again
a
summary
of
the
the
major
covet
challenges
and
cost
pressures.
We
did
experience
about
called
200
million,
199
million
in
terms
of
cost
pressures
that
was
40
million
in
Citywide
Services,
60
million
Ottawa,
Public,
Health
and
then
transit
services
of
99
million.
I
We
did
a
funding
of
193
million
to
apply
against
those
costs
again,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
with
respect
to
transit
in
our
numbers
for
2022
again,
25
million
is
the
gap
that
we
show,
but
with
the
incremental
7.4
that
we've
received
confirmation
a
couple
weeks
ago,
the
overall
gap
for
Transit
is
18
million.
What
that
means
is
going
into
2023.
We
still
have
approximately
11
million
dollars
of
on-use
funding
that
we've
received
throughout
the
pandemic.
A
portion
of
that
approximately
3
million
is
earmarked
fraudible
Public
Health
on
the
Citywide
Services.
I
If
I
just
take
a
minute
to
remind
in
20
at
the
end
of
2021
going
into
2022,
we
did
carry
forward
24
million
dollars
of
unused
SRA
money,
and
now
in
2023
we
have
a
residual
9
million
that
we're
carrying
forward
from
a
Citywide
perspective.
So
we've
been
really
diligent
in
terms
of
really
trying
to
stretch
the
envelope
and
really
carry
forward
that
funding
to
address
any
issues
that
we
still
see
the
ripple
effect
that
continues
next
slide.
Please.
I
So
this
slide
basically
shows
the
deal
raw
disposition.
The
ins
and
outs
in
terms
of
out
of
those
those
deficits
and
surplus
are
attributed
to
the
various
reserves.
Again,
each
of
the
reserves
does
accompany
respective
by
law.
When
we
look
at
the
overall
there's
approximately
5.4
million
of
solid
waste
Surplus
that
is
required
to
go
into
the
solid
waste
Reserve
fund.
I
When
we
look
at
Transit
again,
25
million
that
are
that
I've
been
speaking
to
that
came
out
of
the
transit
reserve
and
I'll
speak
to
reserves
on
the
next
Slide,
the
overall
surplus
of
library
that
goes
into
the
library
reserve
and
then
the
raid
supported
programs.
Those
deficits
are
funded
from
the
respect
of
three
different
rate.
Reserves
next
slide,
please
so
again.
This
is
basically
the
opening
balance.
So
just
just
so
I'm
clear.
If
you
look
at
the
transit
operating
reserve,
the
opening
balance
is
1.2
that
reflects
the
25
million
already
taken
out.
I
So
in
2022
we
had
to
address
that
deficit,
so
we
are
opening
2023
with
a
1.2
million
dollar
balance
in
the
reserve.
We've
already
taken
care
of
2022..
If
you
go
to
the
end
of
that
projection,
that
8
million
wears
that
additional
funding
coming.
That's
the
7.4
million
that
I
spoke
to
earlier
assessed
the
residual
7.4
that
we
just
got.
Confirmation
from
in
terms
of
2022
22
is
already
closed
out
from
an
accounting
perspective,
so
that
will
be
contributed
right
to
the
reserve.
I
B
K
Hi
I
want
to
speak
only
to
the
transit
deficit
item.
It
is
great
that
we've,
you
know,
finished
off
2022,
but
I
need
you
to
start
discussing
now
what
you're
doing
for
2023,
since
it
is
clear
we're
going
to
have
a
significant
issue.
The
reason
I'm
asking
you
to
accelerate
your
discussion
is
I
know
it
takes
six
months
to
adjust
things
with
the
transit
plans.
L
I
Mr
Mayor,
so
first
I
do
want
to
apologize.
The
French
presentation
wasn't
up
when
I
was
going
through.
My
presentation
seems
I
didn't
log
on
this
morning,
so
I
apologize
for
that
just
for
50
years
ago,
so
overall
counselor
the
overall
Citywide
Services,
we
kind
of
net
each
other
out,
so
that
Surplus
has
really
applied
to
the
other
deficits
which
brings
us
down
to
that
bottom
line.
So
then,
that
that
basically
brings
the
city-wide
services
to
a
three
million
dollar
deficit.
I
Then,
when
we
start
laying
here
in
a
different
components
within
their
these,
the
solid
waste
Surplus
must
go
to
the
solid
waste
Reserve.
So
we
take
within
that
three
million.
There's
a
five
million
surplus
assault,
solid
waste
that
goes
into
that
Reserve.
Then
the
8
million
residual
comes
out
of
the
tax
stabilization
to
fund
that
overall
deficit,
then
the
Ottawa
Police
Services.
They
had
a
million
dollar
Surplus
that
goes
into
the
tax
legal
tax,
stabilization
Reserve.
So
the
net
is
a
draw
of
7.4
coming
out
of
tax
stabilization
to
address
city-wide
services.
L
Line
yeah
so
that
that
Surplus
does
not
be
near
marked,
then
for
our
CFS
purposes,
it's
going
to
offset
deficits
elsewhere
in
the
budget.
Thank
you.
So
we
will
finish
the
year
with
a
projected
Transit
operating
reserve
of
nine
million
dollars.
Are
we
count?
I
I
believe
our
budget
is,
is
counting
then
on
or
how
much
are
we
going
to
need
in
terms
of
assistance
to
make
our
budget
whole.
I
So
Mr
Mayor,
as
through
the
budget
process,
we
did
have
a
30
million
dollar
funding
requirement
from
upper
tier
support.
You
know
coming
out
of
2022
there's
a
residual
gap
of
17
million,
we're
still
going
back
and
working
with
our
partners
to
see
if
there
is
a
residual
component
that
might
come
from
2022.
Okay,
as
you
recall,
on
2022,
we
did
get
confirmation
later
in
the
year.
In
terms
of
that
63
million
dollars.
There
was
a
call
out
to
all
municipalities.
I
We
submitted
our
requests
once
all
that
came
in
there
could
be
or
could
be,
a
further
opportunity
where
there
could
be
some
residual
funding
available
for
other
municipalities
as
they
roll
up
their
numbers.
You
know
the
ins
and
outs.
Some
municipalities
might
have
been
allocated
more
than
they
needed.
That's
where
that
7.4
came
from
two
weeks
ago.
Okay,.
I
We're
continuing
to
work
with
those
Partners
to
see
if
there's
more,
ideally,
we
can
go
back
and
you
know
fund
that
full
17
million
dollar
Gap
and
then,
of
course,
still
work
with
our
partners
in
2023
to
address
that
39
million
dollar
Gap.
But
to
your
point
as
of
today,
you
know
with
the
projected
balance
of
nine
and
the
39
million
there's
a
30
million
dollar
funding
Gap
today
that
we're
still
working
with
in
terms
of
addressing.
L
Yeah,
so
and
theoretically,
if
the
pro
or
other
levels
of
government
were
to
come
in
with
zero
assistance
in
2023,
that
would
completely
wipe
out
that
Reserve.
We
we
do
not
have
enough
reserves
to
cover
that
to
cover
that
hole.
So
I
I'm
wondering
what
OC
Transpo
is
doing
by
way
of
planning
for
for
Plan
B.
I
So
I
mean
Mr,
Mayor
I'll
speak
to
a
little
bit
and
Renee
might
want
to
top
me
up
or
Pat.
But
again
you
know
we
will
be
continuing
to
do
like
we
did
in
previous
years.
Throughout
the
pandemic,
discretionary
spending
freezes
really
monitoring
our
hiring
practices.
Ensuring
that
core
services
are
addressed
continue
to
review
our
our
Capital
programs
Etc.
M
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayors,
for
sure
we
will
continue
to
to
do
some
marketing
to
see
if
we
can
attract
more
customers
and
we
will
work
on
the
service
delivery.
As
I
promised
last
Transit
Commission.
We
we
would
like
to
achieve
99.5
percent
of
that
Service
delivery
on
the
bus
side
to
make
sure
that
we
can
retain
those
customers
and
attract
more
and
we
are
working
as
well
with
my
team
to
see
where
we
can
reduce
our
costs
to
continue
to
deliver
the
same
level
of
service.
L
All
right,
so
my
last
question
today,
thank
you
very
much
to
Renee
the
other
deficits
that
we
saw.
Some
of
those
smaller
deficits
and
some
of
the
other
areas
that
are
maybe
rate
supported.
For
example,
I
took
a
look
at
those
I'm,
not
seeing
any
big
red
flags
of
systemic
issues.
Is
there
anything
staff
are
concerned
about
on
on
some
of
those.
I
No
I
mean
overall
I
think
as
I
spoke
earlier,
you
know
things
you
would
never
hear
a
Treasurer
say
even
with
ending
the
year
with
a
small
deficit.
I
think
the
organization
did
really
well
in
terms
of
managing
your
risks,
and
you
know
those
Convoy
costs,
the
Draco
costs
and
the
residual
Transit.
So
I
think
we,
we
did
a
great
job
in
terms
of
you
know,
working
together
as
a
city
we'll
continue
that
into
2023
I'll,
be
back
here
in
early
June
with
the
q1
status
reports.
I
I
Most
of
the
deficits
in
the
rate
supported
programs
is
again
that
continuous
shift
from
the
tier
four
to
tier
two
consumption,
because
you
know
more
people
were
still
working
remotely
working
from
home
in
2022,
so
just
a
little
shift
there.
We
did
see
a
you
know
more
rain
in
the
summer
season
as
well
in
2022.
So
you
know
those
two
factors:
kind
of
can
kind
of
fluctuate,
a
little
bit
which
really
drives
up.
N
I
N
I
Mr
Mayor,
yes,
I,
will
speak
to
the
the
tax.
Stabilization
is
a
bit
higher
that
required
maximums
around
54
million
one
of
the
major
drivers.
There
again
was
in
the
2022
budget.
We
were
expecting
to
draw
about
25
million
out
of
that
Reserve
to
deal
with
pandemic,
because
we're
able
to
carry
over
24
million
from
2021
of
SRA
funding,
we're
able
to
leverage
just
over
18
million
of
that
funding
alone.
So
we
didn't
take
that
draw
from
tax
stabilization.
I
If
you
look
at
some
of
the
other
reserves,
like
the
city-wide
capital
reserve,
that
balance
the
opening
balance
is
around
99
million.
The
closing
balance
is
around
60.
again.
Those
are
all
these
mitigation
strategies
that
we
put
in
place
last
couple
years,
Capital
deferrals
Etc
as
I'll
remind
you
that
during
the
budget
process
we
removed
all
those
deferrals.
We
got
all
that
back
into
play.
So
that's
why
you're
seeing
like
a
little
bit
of
a
draw
there.
So,
overall,
the
reserves
are
in
a.
N
N
I
Mr
Mayor
so
I'll
remind
members
of
committee.
In
again
this
is
part
of
the
program
that
was
established
late
in
2022
by
The
Province,
I
I,
don't
quote
me,
but
I
think
it
was
505
or
700
million
or
so
that
the
province
committed
to
given
to
municipalities.
They
basically
made
that
allocation
out
based
on
predetermined
factors.
At
that
time
they
did
communicate
that
municipalities
would
cement
the
request
in
and
depending
if
how
much
was
supported
and
leveraged.
Some
municipalities
didn't
need
as
much
as
others.
I
I
O
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor.
With
respect
to
the
duration
costs,
we
know
that
the
ministry
of
natural
resources
and
Forestry
just
announced
funding
for
22
small
municipalities
that
were
impacted
by
the
storms,
so
I'm
wondering
was
Finance
staff,
aware
that
this
funding
was
being
considered.
Were
there
any
conversations
with
the
ministry
I'm
I'm
a
bit
frustrated
because
I
feel
like
as
a
city,
we
really
made
known
how
impacted
certain
neighborhoods
were
by
the
storm,
so
I'm
trying
to
discern
how
these
funds
were
allocated
and
how
these
municipalities
were
chosen.
I
Mr
Mr
Mayor,
no
I,
don't
have
any
information
additional
information.
There
was
the
five
million
announcement
last
week
or
the
week
before
last.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
that,
as
soon
as
this
event
occurred,
I
worked
closely
with
mnah.
They
do
have
a
program
in
terms
of
the
threshold
and
for
large
municipalities
like
ourself.
The
the
threshold
for
us
to
activate
that
program
is
roughly
around
58
59
million
dollars
worth
of
costs.
So
we
were
nowhere.
You
know,
even
though
we
incurred
20
to
25
million
dollars
worth
of
costs.
I
We
weren't
meeting
that
threshold
of
that
high
level
at
the
time.
I
had
several
discussions
with
with
that
Ministry
in
terms
of
re-looking
at
that
program,
because
we've
seen
successive
years
of
significant
events
where
we
don't
hit
that
very,
very
high
threshold,
but
we
do
hit
a
very,
very
high
impact
to
our
financials.
You
know
I'll
continue
to
advocate
for
that
and
work
with
those,
but
obviously
there's
no
other
communication.
I
did
not
receive
any
communication
in
terms
of
if
those
smaller
municipalities
met
that
threshold
or
why
we
were
Exempted
or
didn't
receive
funding.
O
G
G
I
G
Mr
marify
made
just
for
Madame
amical.
If
you
could
please
clarify,
will
the
Transit
Commission
be
receiving
any
type
of
revised,
not
a
revised
budget,
but
at
least
a
revised
plan
on
how
the
Transit
Commission
is
going
to
financially
sustain
itself
this
year?
When
will
the
Transit
Commission
get
receive
that
type
of
update
and
discussion.
M
I
Yeah
Mr
Mayor
apologize
not
to
interrupt
you
but
just
add
to
Renee's
comments.
Yes,
so
we'll
be
back
in
q1,
typically
around
May
early
June,
when
we
report
q1,
so
Transit
Commission
will
see
a
q1
update
and
and
then
in
Q2
it's
a
little
later
because
usually
comes
in
August
September
time
frame.
That's
when
we
really
provide
a
Q2
year
result
and
a
forecast
remaining
so
in
between
there
I'm
sure,
we'll
be
working
together
with
the
transit
team.
To
kind
of
give
you
an
update,
I'm.
G
You
know
we
I
voted
in
favor
of
this
budget,
because
there
was
some
positive
assurances
that
upper
levels
of
government
May
likely
contribute
to
offsetting
our
proposed
deficit,
and
in
light
of
that,
coming
to
fruition,
the
Transit
Commission
needs
a
plan
on
how
we're
going
to
get
through
this
year,
and
so
I
I
need
to
see
an
update
sooner
rather
than
later,
but
I'll
park
it
there
for
now.
Thank
you.
B
I
P
P
P
Following
the
budget
approval
staff
present,
the
annual
tax
policy
report
recommending
the
tax
policies
based
on
the
budget
requirement.
Council
must
approve
the
following
items:
annually:
optional
tax
classes
and
class
discounts,
tax
ratios,
adoption
of
the
notional
tax
rate,
adjustment,
public
institution
levies,
mitigation
programs
and
other
related
programs.
P
Q
Tax
growth
is
defined
as
new
construction
and
major
Renovations
demolitions,
Productions
and
additions
to
real
property
added
to
the
tax
roll.
During
the
year,
growth
is
eroded
by
property
assessment
appeals
within
the
year.
Growth
provides
new
revenues
to
the
city
in
2022,
Ottawa
experienced
record-shattering
property
tax
growth
of
42.2
million
or
2.2
percent.
Q
The
highlights
of
this
unpresented
unprecedented
growth
were
7
800,
new
residential
units,
3740
rental
apartments
in
large
multi-residential
buildings
and
the
new
Amazon
facility
in
Barrhaven,
based
on
current
market
trends,
staff
expect
growth
to
return
to
the
normal
pace
of
around
one
and
a
half
percent
in
2023
next
slide.
Please.
R
R
The
value
of
all
the
homes
are
added
up
and
divided
by
the
town's
cost,
which
gives
us
the
tax
rate.
This
tax
rate
is
applied
to
all
the
houses
to
get
enough
money
to
pay
for
all
of
the
services.
So
e
ACH
homeowner
pays
according
to
how
much
their
house
is
worth
every
four
years.
The
houses
are
reassessed.
Let's
say
all
three
properties
have
gone
up
equally
in
value.
If
we
go
back
to
our
calculation,
the
total
cost
of
services
hasn't
changed,
but
the
total
property
value
has
increased.
R
When
this
happens,
there
will
be
a
decrease
in
the
tax
rate.
Now,
when
we
apply
that
new
rate
on
all
the
homes,
everyone
still
pays
the
same.
Let's
recap:
property
taxes
are
based
on
what
a
home
is
worth
if
reassessments
all
increase.
Equally,
then
everyone
pays
the
same
taxes
as
before.
Now,
let's
say
another
four
years
has
gone
by
and
these
homes
are
reassessed.
R
During
this
time,
the
house
on
the
right
became
more
valuable
in
the
market
than
the
other
two
okay,
so
time
for
a
little
more
math,
the
total
value
of
all
the
homes
have
increased,
which
means
the
town
has
to
calculate
a
new
tax
rate.
With
this
new
tax
rate,
the
first
two
homes
will
actually
pay
less
than
the
home
on
the
right.
That
was
reassessed
at
a
higher
value.
Since
the
cost
of
services
hasn't
changed,
the
town
doesn't
need
to
collect
more
property
taxes.
R
However,
since
property
taxes
are
based
on
a
home's
value,
those
taxes
could
potentially
go
up
or
down
based
on
the
rest
of
the
homes.
So
what
happens
when
the
cost
to
provide
services
goes
up?
Well,
it
means
more
property.
Taxes
need
to
be
collected
from
every
home
and
a
new
tax
rate
is
calculated
to
get
the
new
rate.
We
take
that
amount
that
the
town
now
needs
and
divide
it
by
all
the
property
values.
R
The
new
rate
is
applied
to
all
the
homes,
and
now
everyone
has
to
pay
the
new
tax
amount
to
continue
to
fund
all
of
the
services.
So,
let's
review
one
property.
Taxes
are
based
on
the
value
of
a
home
when
homes
are
reassessed.
Equally,
each
homeowner
will
pay
the
same
amount
proportionately
as
before.
R
Two
when
homes
are
reassessed
at
different
values,
each
homeowner
will
pay
a
different
amount
proportionately,
based
on
how
much
their
home
increased
in
value.
Three
from
the
town's
cost
to
provide
services
increases
property
tax
increase.
Then
everyone
pays
their
share
proportionately
across
the
board,
and
that
explains
the
relationship
between
Pro.
Q
Q
Q
P
P
P
P
P
5900,
Properties
or
10
000
businesses
will
automatically
qualify
for
the
small
business
subclass,
based
on
the
criteria
approved
by
Council
in
2022.
These
properties
sold
a
seven
and
a
half
percent
reduction
in
taxes,
resulting
in
a
municipal
tax
savings
of
4.8
million
and
2.3
million
in
education
taxes
for
small
businesses
in
Ottawa
in
2023.
These
properties
will
now
see
an
additional
7.5
tax
reduction
for
cumulative
discount
of
15
of
the
appropriate
commercial
and
Industrial
tax
rates.
P
This
additional
discount
equates
to
a
further
5.1
million
in
Municipal
tax
savings
and
2.6
in
education.
Tax
savings
in
2023
for
the
small
business
community
in
Ottawa
now
fully
phased
in.
The
total
savings
equates
to
14.8
million
in
annual
savings
to
small
business,
to
the
small
business
community
in
Ottawa
on
a
go
forward
basis.
P
The
5900
properties
in
the
small
business
subclass
will
see
this
reduction
on
the
final
property
tax
bill
due
in
June,
an
average
small
business
assessed
at
700
000
will
see
a
further
reduction
in
2023
of
1800
in
Municipal
and
education.
Taxes
on
their
property
tax
bill
now
fully
phased
in.
This
equates
to
3200
an
annual
reduction
for
this
for
the
average
small
business
in
Ottawa
next
slide.
Please.
P
The
notional
tax
rate
adjustment
to
the
property
tax
rates
was
introduced
in
2016
by
The
Province
to
allow
municipalities
to
recover
assessment
appeal
losses
from
the
prior
year.
The
city
has
adopted
the
notional
tax
rate
adjustment
every
year
since
2016,
and
this
report
recommended
be
adopted
for
2023.
P
P
In
2021,
The
Province
reduced
the
business
education
tax
rates
for
taxable
commercial
and
Industrial
properties
to
provide
relief
to
businesses
from
the
pandemic.
Municipalities
retain
all
payment
in
lieu
business,
education,
tax
revenues
that
form
part
of
the
annual
budget.
Therefore,
the
province
left
the
payments
in
lieu
of
taxes,
business
education
rates,
the
same
as
they
were
in
2020,
ensuring
that
municipalities
did
not
suffer
any
unintended
Financial
consequences.
P
The
province
has
confirmed
2023
business
education,
tax
rates
for
taxable
and
peeled
properties
will
remain
the
same
as
they
were
approved
in
2021.
in
2021.
Some
peeled
corporations
used
the
lower
taxable
business
education
tax
rates
to
make
their
payment,
resulting
in
a
loss
of
11.5
million
in
pilch
Revenue
in
2021
and
11.5
million
in
2022..
P
Ottawa
is
the
largest
in
in
Ontario,
given
the
large
presence
of
the
federal
government
in
the
city,
the
city
has
filed
an
application
to
the
federal
court
seeking
full
payment
of
the
pilt
amount
owed
to
the
city.
There
are
ongoing
discussions
between
the
city,
a
provincial
government
and
the
federal
government
to
find
a
solution
to
this
issue.
Discussions
are
both
at
the
staff
and
political
levels.
If
no
resolution
is
found,
the
city
will
lose
another
11.5
million
in
pilch
Revenue
in
2023..
P
P
B
E
B
S
Let
me
make
sure
that's
the
the
correct
thing
on
that
that
you
made
a
change
of
the
property
tax
accounts
to
exclusively
rely
on
the
impact
bi-weekly
updates
and
instead
of
receiving
individual
updates
from
lawyers
for
immediate
ownership
changes
on
real
estate
real
estate
transaction.
Now
there
are
hundreds,
if
not
thousands,
of
real
estate
transactions
every
month
in
within
the
city
of
Ottawa
and
owing
to
that
at
the
interim
time
of
March
February,
March
and
May
June.
Those
are
the
main
months
and
then
that
this
discrepancy
comes
into
play.
S
Unfortunately,
my
self
fell
into
that
discrepancy
last
year
and
it
has
repeatedly
been
ignored,
despite
numerous
numerous
evidence
of
it
being
a
repeated
issue
that
keeps
coming
up,
but
no
and
there
are
Avenues
to
fix
that
this
is
due
to
the
municipal
act
in
2001.,
as
I
mentioned.
Let
me
just
quickly
go
through
what
happened
as
you
can.
S
You
might
see
in
some
of
the
documentation
that
myself
we
closed
on
a
property
on
May
31st
of
last
year,
then
on
June
15th,
the
city
of
Ottawa
printed
property
tax
statement
regarding
our
property
taxes,
our
final
property
taxes
that
were
due,
then
the
city
sent
that
out
on
June
16th.
The
due
date
was
June
16th
with
that.
So
we
did
not
receive
that
property
tax
bill
until
June,
23rd
and
promptly
paid
the
full
amount
there.
S
But
the
problem
was
that
on
these
properties,
where
ourselves
fell
into
and
numerous
other
on,
Ottawa
taxpayers
fall
into
then
their
when
they
fall
into
this
window
and
because
the
city
changed
their
system
to
rely
exclusively
on
the
bi-weekly
Municipal
property
assessment
corporations
updates.
There
is
this
window
in
between
when
they
send
out
the
Revenue
Services
send
out
their
property
taxes
either
their
interim
or
the
final
one,
and
when,
if
a
property
changes
ownership,
then
it
actually
gets
assessed.
S
So
the
big
issue
that
that
came
up
was
that
it
was
sent
out
last
year
between
May
19th
to
May,
26th
and
then
to
the
old
property
owner
and
then,
but
we
close
on
May
31st.
So
we
then
become
a
taxpayer
until
May,
31st,
June,
1st,
and
so
as
part
of
the
the
municipal
act.
2001
section
343
set
one
it
states
the
treasurer
sells,
shall
send
out
a
tax
bill
to
every
taxpayer.
S
At
least
21
days
before
any
taxes
shown
on
the
tax
bill
are
due
now
myself
and
numerous
other
people
that
fall
into
this
in
the
interim
and
final
period
there
that
they
don't
become
a
taxpayer
until
they
close
on
the
property.
So
we
then
become
a
taxpayer
until
on
that
property
until
June
1st.
So
by
that
nature,
that
was
not
covered
on
the
municipal
act
and
then
alternatively,
It
also
says
that
under
Municipal
act,
2001
section
343,
2A
a
tax
bill
shall
contain
the
name
of
the
taxpayer.
S
Effective
June
1st
that
name
on
that
property
tax
was
incorrect
because
it
would
be
the
old
property
tax
owner.
Yet
it
was
still
trying
to
be
enforced
for
the
June
16th
due
date.
So
I
shouldn't
need
to
be
here.
There
shouldn't
be
a
big
issue,
because
it's
it's
a
very
legislative
issue
with
a
mutual
attacks.
S
Those
two
months
there's
an
issue
that
happens
within
those
windows.
The
Revenue
Service
is
very
proud
and
I'm
sure
they
are
very
efficient
in
regards
to
the
system
that
they
have
set
up.
It
wouldn't
take
a
lot
to
propose
to
be
able
to
make
an
adjustment
to
the
system
so
that
in
those
two
months,
because
they've
changed
the
system
to
rely
on
exclusively
on
the
mpac
reviews,
then
then
make
an
allotment
for
that
and
that's
my
time.
Yeah.
K
You
hear
me
charm,
yep,
so
before
we
begin,
I
have
a
point
of
personal
privilege
here:
could
the
computer
that's
being
used
for
the
zoom
display
be
logged
out
from
all
notifications?
Well,
we
can't
read
them
the
blood.
The
square
blocks
do
take
up
a
lot
of
space.
If
that
could
just
be
an
operating
procedure
that
takes
place.
K
That
would
be
great
all
right
so
for
my
presentation,
I'm
here
to
speak
today
about
process
items,
just
as
your
other
delegation
has
the
first
one
I
would
like
you
to
take
on
is
a
commitment
to
advertise
the
tax
relief
program
for
seniors
and
low-income
persons.
It's
not
the
sort
of
program
that
you
are
aware
is
out
there
when
you're
panicking
about
your
budget.
If
you
would
advertise
this
on
buses
included
in
counselors
newsletters,
that
would
be
helpful.
It's
the
sort
of
program
people
don't
find
out
about
until
they're
in
a
hole.
K
The
second
item-
I'd,
like
you
to
take
a
look
at
in
terms
of
process,
would
be
the
decision
to
do
50
in
the
interim
tax
bill
and
50
on
the
final
tax
bill.
Since
I
assume,
you
will
need
to
raise
taxes,
I
would
like
you
to
adjust
the
needle
slightly
on
the
first
tax
bill
to
be
somewhere
between
55
and
60
percent,
so
that
the
tax
Bills
remain
equal
in
the
end,
if
you
don't
change
the
taxes,
that
means
our
second
bill
will
be
smaller.
K
That
would
be
great,
but
otherwise
there's
the
risk
that
the
second
bill
would
be
significantly
larger.
So
just
if
you
could
adjust
the
needle
that
would
be
helpful
to
us
and
the
third
one
is
I'd
like
you
to
consider
asking
staff
if
it
is
possible
to
move
for
small
businesses
and
to
homeowners
to
three
tax
bills
rather
than
two
many
people
don't
know
that
they
can
apply
for
the
monthly
program.
K
It's
the
kind
of
thing
that
you
don't
realize
that
when
you're
building
a
budget
that
your
taxes
are
going
to
come
due
or
where
they
are
at
so
as
people
are
struggling,
they
run
into
a
hole
at
the
end.
So
if
we
could
just
adjust
it
so
that
it's
doing
three
parts
that
would
be
helpful
to
homeowners
who
are
not
strong
in
their
finances
without
impacting
your
income,
just
some
things
to
make
it
easier
for
people
as
you
go
along,
as
the
tax
rates,
no
doubt
should,
change
will
need
to
change
this
year.
T
T
One
of
the
issues
that
keeps
coming
up
is
around
how
that
actually
gets
transferred
to
the
small
businesses
that
might
be
leasing
that
space
from
the
owners
of
these
buildings,
because,
as
I
understand
it,
the
owners
of
the
buildings
are
in
receipt
of
that
tax
reduction.
So
I
guess
the
questions
are
Does.
It
show
the
savings
specifically
for
for
those
owners
of
those
buildings
on
their
tax
bills,
and
how
can
we
better
get
those
building
owners
to
then
transfer
it
to
what
would
be
those
those
small
businesses
existing
within
their
buildings?.
P
This
means
that
any
property
tax
reductions
and
any
other
actual
operating
expenses
for
the
building
get
automatically
passed
down
to
them,
and
what
we
found
in
our
research
is
that
a
majority,
if
not
all,
of
these
small
businesses
that
we
were
actually
targeting
were
either
owners
of
the
property
or
were
renting
from
larger
property
owners
that
have
net
leases
with
their
clients.
So
it
is
more
than
likely
that
those
savings
will
automatically
be
passed
on.
T
T
T
The
second
issue
I
wanted
to
raise
is
around
the
older
multi-residential
building
property
tax
ratios,
so
for
those
new
multi-res
we
charge
them
at
the
one-to-one
ratio
same
as
single
unit
homes
and
and
I'm
wondering
the
1.4
that
exists
now.
Do
we
have
the
ability
to
change
that
to
bring
that
in
line
with
where
new
multi-res
is
or
and
what's
the
what's,
the
reason
why
we're
stuck
at
that
1.4
number
when
we're
trying
to
incentivize
those
types
of
apartment,
buildings
in
the
city.
P
Thank
you
very
much
Mr
Mayor,
so
the
multi-residential
class,
which
is
different
from
the
new
mall
2s
class,
the
new
mall
2s
classes
newer,
multi-residential
buildings
which
are
taxed
at
the
ratio
of
one.
The
multi-res
buildings,
as
you
noted,
are
the
older
multi-residential
buildings
which
are
currently
are
at
a
ratio
of
1.4.
P
Traditionally,
the
city
has
adopted
neutral
ratios
and
we've
seen
that
ratio
naturally
come
down
from
where
it
started
off.
I
think
close
to
like
two
point
something
and
it's
slowly
come
down
to
where
it
is
today
at
1.4,
and
we
expect
that
to
continue
to
to
go
down
over
time,
but
naturally,
if
the
city
was
to
make
conscious
effort
to
reduce
that
ratio
to
one
today,
it
would
mean
tax
shifting
from
the
multi-residential
class
to
the
residential
class.
P
The
average
property
assessed
at
415
000
would
likely
see
an
increase
of
68
dollars
annually
as
a
result
of
that
shift.
If
counsel
was
to
make
that
decision
to
move
that
out
outside
the
natural
reassessment
process.
So
our
recommendation,
as
staff
has
been
to
allow
that
ratio
to
naturally
go
down
over
time,
which
it
actually
has
and
we've
actually
seen
it
come
down,
and
we
recommend
that
it
continue
to
do
so
unless
Council
was
to
think
about
moving
that
or
accelerating
that
in
a
in
a
more
rapid
Pace.
P
U
T
I
appreciate
your
work
and
all
your
help
with
our
office.
You've
been
extremely
well
versed
in
speaking
with
residents
and
always
available.
So
just
I
want
to
thank
you
so
much
for
that.
Then,
the
natural
kind
of
drawdown
that
you're
mentioning
is
that
a
recommendation
that
comes
from
staff.
How
do
how
does
that
work?
Is
it
sort
of
a
year
to
year,
if
you're
coming
down
by
point
five
percent
or
something?
How
does
that
he's
starting
to
come
down,
and
this
would
just
be
a
recommendation.
P
P
So
the
last
reassessment
which
we
had,
which
was
2016
I,
think
I
believe
brought
that
ratio
down
quite
a
bit.
I
think
we
started
off
at
maybe
one
point
for
something
and
we've
really
sort
of
come
down
to
1.4
ish
and
it
continues
to
come
down
every
time
we
go
through
a
reassessment
now
we
haven't
had
a
reassessment
I
think
the
last
reassessment
was
scheduled
for
2021.
It's
been
delayed,
but
I
do
expect
that
once
we
do
have
a
reassessment
that
we
should
potentially
continue
to
see.
That
ratio
continue
to
come
down.
T
T
Obviously,
property
growth
has
occurred
quite
substantially
in
terms
of
the
prices
that
we're
seeing
on
the
market
through
the
pandemic
and
it'll
affect
I.
Guess
our
our
our
rate
that
we
charge
we'll
have
to
change
change
it
based
on
the
reassessment
that
happens,
so
it's
her
best
knowledge
of
when
they
may
be
coming
back
to
actually
reassess
properties.
Given
the
long
delay.
P
Mr
Mayor
at
this
point
we're
waiting
for
the
provincial
government
to
give
direction
in
terms
of
when
that
reassessment
will
occur.
So
mpac
is
on
standby.
They've
told
us
many
times
that
they're
ready
for
the
provincial
government
to
give
direction
in
terms
of
when
that
reassessment
will
occur.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
mayor.
N
P
Mr
Mayor,
our
tax
ratios,
compare
well
they're,
well,
I
believe
below
the
average,
especially
when
we
compare
it
to
similar
size
municipalities
when
we
look
at
our
multi-residential
rate,
our
commercial
rate
and
our
ratio
and
our
industrial
ratio
they're
well
below
other
cities
such
as
Toronto
and
Mississauga.
So
we're
doing
extremely
well
not
in
that
direction.
There
are
some
caps
that
the
provincial
government
has
put
should
municipalities
exceed
certain
thresholds,
it
reduces
the
amount
of
increase
annual
tax
increase
passed
by
Council
that
can
be
passed
on
to
these
properties.
N
P
N
Just
occurs
to
me:
you
know
most
years,
they're
they're
neutral,
they
don't
change
very
much
and
they
must
have
started
with
the
justification
at
some
point.
You
know
years
ago
when
they
were
set,
but
I
just
wonder
if
it
might
be
worth
looking
into
whether
they're
achieving
the
objectives.
I
assume.
The
reason
for
having
a
higher
tax
ratio
is
because
of
a
higher
cost
of
operations
and
servicing
I.
Just
wonder
if
it
still
reflects
the
reality.
N
I
have
no
suggestions
today,
but
maybe
something
to
think
about
over
the
next
few
years
of
council
and
the
second
question
Mr
Kirk.
The
delegation
raised
some
concerns.
I
don't
want
to
look
into
his
case
specifically,
but
he
suggested
that
there
are
a
number
of
property
owners
that
might
be
affected
by
this
situation
of
timing
and
and
penalties
are
staff.
Aware
of
this,
are
there
anything
that
the
staff
are
pursuing
to
address
any
of
the
issues
that
were
raised
today
in
that
file?.
P
Mr
Marisol
the
issue
raised
today,
is
very
similar
to
the
process
that
all
Property
Owners
will
go
through
during
a
sale,
not
just
at
that
point
in
time
when
the
property
tax,
sale,
property
tax
bills
are
being
issued
generally,
what
we
expect
or
what
we
would
see.
That
is
that
this
is
a
private
transaction,
the
city's
not
involved
in
that
private
transaction
as
part
of
that
transaction.
The
lawyers
generally
would
prepare
a
statement
of
adjustment
and,
within
that
statement
of
adjustment,
there
should
be
consideration
for
property
taxes.
P
The
city
is
required
to
send
out
bills
to
the
owner
on
the
role
at
the
time
of
issuance,
which
we
did
that's
what
we're
legally
required
to
do.
Last
year,
those
bills
went
out
were
mailed
or
hit
the
mail
between
the
days
that
were
mentioned,
March
19
to
26th,
so
the
property
owner
jet
property
owner
generally
will
have
those
bills
in
their
hand
before
the
end
of
May,
and
can
make
the
appropriate
adjustments
in
terms
of
whose
owes
Wharton
who's
making
what
payments
to
the
city.
P
So
that
consideration
continues
to
be
our
approach
and
our
view.
We
do
send
out
courtesy
bills
because
in
some
cases
we
do
see
changes
in
property
ownership
and
we
do
want
to
assist
new
prop
property
owners
that
have
just
taken
ownership
and
we
send
them
courtesy
bills
in
the
event
that
they
have
not
accounted
for
this
in
their
closing,
but
they're.
Just
that
they're
courtesy,
they're,
not
a
legal
requirement.
L
L
P
So
Mr
Mayor
we
we
are
not.
We
would
not
for
legislatively
we're
not
allowed
to
increase
the
ratio
and
even
if
we
were
allowed
to
increase
it
or
decrease
it,
all
it
actually
does
is
shift
the
burden
from
one
class
to
the
other.
So
we
have
the
overall
approved
budget
value
that
cities
allowed
to
collect
and
if
we
start
moving,
the
ratios
around.
P
L
L
P
So
Mr
Mayor,
we
do
expect
that
property
assessment
growth
should
return
to
the
normal
place.
I
think
where
we've
sort
of
seen
it
in
past
years,
which
has
been
around
1.5
percent
last
year,
was
an
exceptional
year.
I,
don't
think,
we've
seen
a
year
like
that
before
in
Ottawa
in
a
very
long
time,
at
least
as
long
as
I've
been
around
and
I
think.
P
A
lot
of
that
was
driven
by
the
huge
demand,
I
think
that
was
created
by
that
covid
market,
pre
and
pre
and
post
and
now
I.
Think
all
the
indicators
that
we're
seeing
is
that
the
market
is
returning
pretty
much
to
a
normal.
It's
actually
slowed
down
quite
a
bit,
so
we're
expecting
to
go
back
to
that
one
half
percent,
or
thereabouts
and.
I
I'm
going
on
I
know
where
you're
going
I
think
I
know
where
you're
going
so
just
to
be
Mr.
Marriage,
so
just
be
clear:
the
2.2
that's
solid
for
2023
right
because
we
just
passed
a
budget
for
2.2,
so
we're
good.
What
we
see
is
we're
predicting
that
you,
you
know
we
will
probably
go
back
to
that
normal
1.5
growth
going
forward
as
what
we
know
today,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
thinking
there's
a
little
bit
of
risk
to
the
2.2
that
we
budgeted
for
for
23.
yeah.
No,
we're
good
that.
I
That's
there
set
that
2.2
that
Joseph
and
Chris
mentioned
that
42
million,
or
so
that's
what
we
flow
through
the
budget
so
that
that
was
added
to
our
base
in
the
2323
budget.
Now,
if
we
were
to
start
building
a
2024
budget,
what
we
know
today
is
we'll
probably
see
growth
come
back
to
that
1.5
range
is
what
we
would
historically
see.
V
Thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you
for
staff
for
the
presentation
in
terms
of
the
payments
and
those
taxes
program,
the
11.5
million
the
federal
government
owes
us.
This
was
a
provincial
initiative
to
help
businesses
how
the
heck
did
we
end
up
having
to
give
a
discount
to
the
federal
government
and
I
I.
Think
it's
where
we've
kind
of
pressure
like
was.
There
was
no
way
we
could
make
that
distinction.
P
Mr
Mayor,
so
the
the
traditionally
we've
had
one
rate
for
business
education,
taxes
in
2021
the
province
in
order
to
help
businesses
reduce
the
taxable
rate
for
Education
taxes,
meaning
that
all
properties,
all
business
and
Industrial
properties
that
were
not
built
were
allowed
to
pay
a
lower
rate
and
the
pill
properties
paid.
The
traditional
older
rate
that
they
had.
We
had
used
in
2020
now
the
pilt
properties
some
pill,
Property
Owners
decided
that
they
were
going
to
use
the
lower
rate
to
make
their
payment
to
the
city.
P
So
that's
where
the
dispute
is
in
terms
of
the
the
ongoing
dispute
and
the
application
that
we
fought
to
the
federal
court
is
that
the
city
is
saying
we're
owed
these
monies
by
the
federal
federal
government
based
on
the
rates
that
were
set
by
The
Province.
So
the
intent
of
the
province
was
to
keep
municipalities
whole
and
make
sure
that
they
were
not
impacted
in
their
budgets.
V
P
So
the
rate
there
is
a
rate
that
is
set
for
the
federal
government
and
built
properties,
but
they
have
refused
to
pay
on
that
rate,
they're
choosing
to
pay
on
the
lower
rate.
So
the
province
has
done
what
they
need
to
do
by
separating
the
Federal
Government
properties
and
making
sure
that
they
continue
to
pay
at
the
old
rate,
however,
they've
chosen
to
pay
at
the
lower
rate.
V
Unbelievable
they're
shortchanging
us
and
that's
money
that
could
have
been
used
for
affordable
housing,
I'm
appalled
that
that
they're
treating
it
like
a
discount
that
they're
grabbing
so
I
I,
hope,
I,
hope
that
gets
talked
about
it.
Fcm
Tim,
so
yeah
I
know
that
that's
very
concerning
and
thank
you
for
bringing
that
to
light.
V
I
think
we
we
need
to
look
at
that
and
I
think
they
should
be
saying
to
us:
okay,
we'll
we'll
pay
up
and
we'll
give
all
that
money
to
affordable
housing
or
something
along
that
line,
because
this
is
an
opportunity
for
them
to
to
make
good.
Thank
you
in
turn.
I
just
want
to
I
know,
there's
some
confusion
about
the
vacant
property
tax
and
the
vacant
unit.
P
Mr
Mayor,
so
the
the
vacant
unit
tax
and
the
vacant
property
bylaw
are
two
separate
initiatives.
I
think
both
targeted
dealing
with
vacancy
issues
within
the
city,
one
is
a
tax
and
the
other
is
a
bylaw
regulatory
regime
and
both
of
them
have
separate
criteria
in
terms
of
where
the
tax
applies
and
where
the
regulatory
regime
would
apply
in
terms
of
the
vacant
unit,
tax
I
were
getting
to
the
till
end
of
our
declaration
so
far.
P
We're
about
98
percent
in
terms
of
declarations
and
we're
working
towards
a
target
of
99
and
a
half
percent,
as
we
sort
of
move
towards
that
final
due
date
of
April
30th
I
can't
really
speak
too
much
to
the
to
the
regulatory
regime,
because
that's
a
that's
a
completely
different
area.
What
I
can
say
is
that
the
vacant
unit
tax
only
applies
if
there's
a
home
on
the
lot.
I
think
we've
had
that
question
come
up
a
couple
of
times
where
people
are
wondering.
P
Mr
Mayor,
so
we
are
we're
continuing
to
do
an
analysis
of
all
the
Declarations
that
have
been
submitted.
There
is
an
opportunity
where
well,
depending
on
the
information,
that's
provided.
Yes,
you
could
automatically
be
deemed
vacant
and
also,
depending
on
the
information.
That's
provided
we'd,
actually
do
an
analysis
and
sort
of
put
that
bylaw
lens
on
it
to
see
if
that
property
would
be
deemed
vacant
based
on
the
pro
bylaw
lens
or,
if
would
be
deemed
occupied.
So
that
analysis
is
ongoing.
P
V
Okay,
okay,
just
I'm
just
wondering
how
it's
going
appreciate
it
and
appreciate
the
clarifications.
I
think
that's
important
for
everyone:
I
was
I
was
aware
of
it,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
make
that
distinction,
because,
because,
with
those
two
categories,
it's
and
appreciate
the
fact
that
we
do
have
the
vacant
land
subclass.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
councilor
Kavanaugh,
and
to
be
clear
just
on
the
first
point
you
raised
there.
There
are
discussions
happening
with
the
federal
government
and
the
provincial
Finance
Minister
on
resolving
the
issue
with
the
pilts,
so
I
hope
the
federal
government
is
listening
on
that.
So
we'll
fingers
crossed
we'll
have
more
to
say
about
that
in
the
future.
But
thank
you
for
raising
that
councilor
Brockington.
G
Thanks
mayor
no
question,
but
just
a
comment
on
some
of
amo's
work
with
respect
to
the
impact
assessments,
the
deputy
City
Treasurer
was
bang
on
in
his
answer
to
counselor
Menard,
but
I
just
want
to
share
as
ottawa's
rep
on
the
board.
That
Amo
is
strongly
committed
to
advocating
for
an
immediate
assessment
process.
There's
some
concern
that,
after
this
calendar
year,
the
province
will
not
want
to
proceed
as
we
get
closer
to
a
provincial
election
and
Amo
continues
to
raise
this
point
with
with
the
ministry.
G
B
Thank
you.
Everyone.
Let's
move
to
item
6.1,
which
is
the
application
by
HAC
Ottawa
Airport
LP
for
an
Ottawa
International
Airport
Community
Improvement
plan
grant
for
one
zero,
8-5
airport,
Parkway
private.
We
have
a
presentation
from
staff
and
we
have
eight
delegations,
so
I'll
just
give
staff
a
moment
to
set
up
and
we'll
hear
their
presentation.
U
Just
to
recall
just
where
this
program
came
from.
This
program
is
part
of
the
the
package
that
came
from
the
official
plan,
documentation
that
was
recently
approved
by
the
province
and
by
this
past
Council
to
establish
the
Ottawa
airport
as
a
strategic,
special
economic
District.
As
part
of
that
package,
a
community
Improvement
plan
was
approved
by
last
Council
back
in
July
to
provide
that
incentive
program
to
to
bolster
and
stimulate
development
as
it
flowed
through
to
allow
the
airport
to
recover.
U
So
what
we're
going
to
do
in
the
presentation
is
Staff
will
provide
a
very
brief
overview
of
the
CIP
program,
the
application
before
you
in
terms
of
how
it
fits
within
the
context
of
that
program
and,
of
course,
answer
any
questions
that
that
you
may
have
and
I'll
present
it
I'll
turn
it
over
to
I.
Think
it's
Chris
we'll
be
doing
the
presentation
next
slide.
Please.
W
The
program
was
developed
in
response
to
significant
impacts
on
Airport
operations
during
the
pandemic,
including
the
suspension
or
cancellation
of
development
projects,
of
which
there
were
several
like
other
cips
permitted
under
the
planning
act.
This
program
provides
Financial
incentives
in
the
form
of
a
tax
increment,
equivalent,
Grant
or
Teague.
Grants
are
calculated
on
a
portion
of
the
tax
increment
and,
in
this
case,
75
percent
of
the
increase
in
the
contribution
to
Municipal
property
taxes
resulting
from
new
assessment
created
through
development.
W
The
availability
of
the
airport
CIP
makes
the
area
more
attractive
for
private
sector
investment.
Investment
generates
new
airport
lease
revenue
for
the
airport
operations,
improvements
to
passenger
experience
and
Air
Service
development
and
provides
additional
economic
benefits
from
construction,
employment,
growth,
new
LRT,
ridership
and
more.
W
W
Another
point
of
clarification.
Cip
grants
are
provided
annually
or
the
duration
of
the
grant
period,
and
only
after
annual
property
taxes
are
paid
in
full
payment
of
property.
Taxes
occurs
only
after
a
project
has
been
completed
and
has
been
assessed
by
mpac
and
no
CIP.
Grant
funds
are
provided
in
advance
of
project
completion,
nor
is
the
total
value
of
the
CIP
incentive
provided
all
at
once.
Next
slide,
please,
the
airport
CIP
application
received
for
1085
airport
Parkway
private
is
for
a
new
alt
Hotel.
W
The
proposed
180
room,
alt
Hotel,
will
be
eight
stories
and
will
total
7473
square
meters.
It
will
include
325
square
meters
of
meeting
rooms
and
other
amenities,
including
a
restaurant,
a
business
center,
Lobby
workstation
and
fitness
room.
A
significant
feature
is
a
covered
pedway
connecting
to
the
alt
Hotel
directly
to
the
airport
terminal
via
the
Parkade.
This
offers
enhanced
passenger
accessibility
and
convenience
and
supports
the
needs
of
the
local
corporate
Community
for
convenient
access
for
meetings
and
training.
Etc
next
slide.
Please.
W
Germain
hotels
was
in
pre-development
on
the
alt
Hotel
project
prior
to
the
pandemic.
At
that
time,
costs
were
projected
to
be
42
million
dollars,
but
by
the
summer
of
2020
the
project
was
abandoned
due
to
an
increasingly
challenging
business
climate
resulting
from
pandemic
impacts
on
air
travel
and
visitation
to
Ottawa,
mandated
business
closures
and
supply
chain
issues
affecting
costs
in
the
fall
of
2021,
anticipating
a
resolution
to
the
pandemic
and
resumption
of
normal
business
activity.
Germain
hotels
re-examined
the
project,
but
they
found
costs
had
risen
to
55
million
dollars.
W
The
airport
reached
out
to
Germain
hotels
following
council's
enactment
of
the
airport
CIP
in
July
2022,
to
see
if
the
project
could
be
revived
and
after
determining
that
the
airport
CI
program
would
have
a
material
impact
on
Project
feasibility.
Germain
hotels
decided
to
move
forward,
but
only
if
they
could
secure
the
financial
incentive
available
next
slide.
Please,
staff
reviewed
the
subject:
application
and
determined
it
was
complete
and
importantly,
it
met
the
eligibility
requirements
of
the
airport
CIP
program.
W
The
application
details
are
as
follows:
the
projected
property
assessment
at
project
completion
will
be
approximately
19.8
million
dollars.
The
estimated
Municipal
portion
of
the
property
tax
increase
attributed
to
the
project
is
from
zero,
since
this
is
new
development
on
vacant
land
to
393
796
dollars
in
year,
one
which
is
projected
to
be
2025..
W
Now
the
CIP
Grant
to
the
applicant
will
be
295
000
or
295
347
in
year,
one
and
approximately
13.1
million
dollars
over
25
years.
The
city
will
retain
4.4
million
in
new
property
taxes
over
the
same
period,
the
estimated
value
of
locally
supplied
materials
and
labor
to
build
the
hotel
is
approximately
30
million
dollars.
W
Project
permits
and
fees
payable
to
the
city
is
also
estimated
at
about
3.7
million
dollars.
An
estimated
50
new
full-time
jobs
will
be
created
once
the
new
alt
hotel
is
open
and
impacts.
Of
course,
on
peripheral
Services.
It
is
important
to
note
that
tilt
or
payment
lieu
of
taxes,
payments
to
the
city
by
the
airport
are
not
negatively
affected
by
this
application,
as
the
pilt
calculation
is
based
on
Airport
passenger
volumes
next
slide,
please.
X
Thanks
very
much
Chris,
as
David
noted
in
his
opening
remarks,
the
proposed
investment
by
Germain
hotels
supports
the
airport's
designation
as
a
special
economic
District.
In
the
city's
new
official
plan,
the
project
will
generate
needed
momentum
and
Signal
confidence
in
the
local
economy
and
facilitate
opportunities
for
the
airport
to
grow
as
a
commercial
and
employment
hub
for
other
Aviation
dependent
and
related
companies.
X
The
lack
of
direct
routes
servicing
key
business
destinations
has
been
identified
by
Economic
Development
stakeholders
as
critical
to
Advanced
City
priorities
and
capitalize
on
ottawa's
competitive
advantages.
I
would
point
out
that
of
the
100
hectares
of
land
that
are
currently
available
at
the
airport
within
the
CIP
boundary
for
development.
That
has
the
ability
once
fully
built
out
to
generate
an
additional
10
million
dollars
in
Revenue
to
the
airport
annually.
X
The
new
alt
Hotel
will
be
a
Mac
collector
mat,
Revenue
funds,
tourism,
marketing
convention
sales
and
destination
development
activities
through
Ottawa
tourism
and
lastly,
I
would
like
to
note
that
cips
are
the
only
Economic
Development
tool
available
to
Ontario
municipalities,
to
incentivize
and
stimulate
directed
private
investment
in
the
local
economy,
to
deliver
growth,
jobs,
urban
renewal
in
in
certain
contexts
and
expand
the
commercial
tax
base.
The
airport
CIP
was
conceived
and
developed
both
to
respond
to
pandemic
impacts,
including
canceled
projects,
and
to
position
the
airport
to
attract
new
development
and
to
compete
with
other.
X
B
Y
E
B
Y
Increased
property
tax
collected
from
the
applicants
developed
property,
whereas
the
increased
property
taxes
collected
from
the
past
CIP
Grant.
Applicants
have
been
directed
by
Council
to
specific
city
services
and
programs
such
as
expressly
for
affordable
housing,
whereas
the
city
of
Ottawa
has
declared
a
housing
and
homelessness
emergency,
whereas
the
city
of
Ottawa,
Recreation
and
community
centers
are
currently
being
repurposed
to
support
ottawa's
already
overburdened
and
stretched
emergency
shelter
system,
whereas
the
city
of
Ottawa
also
relies
heavily
on
Contracting
third-party
motels
at
a
significant
financial
cost
to
the
city
to
fill
gaps
in
the
shelter
system.
B
B
Z
Thank
you
good
morning.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
on
behalf
of
the
Ottawa
Board
of
Trade
regarding
the
Ottawa
International
Airport
Community
Improvement
plan
and
the
application
for
Germain
hotels.
The
Ottawa
Board
of
Trade
is
the
voice
of
business
and
a
key
advocate
for
economic
development
in
our
nation's
capital.
Our
mission
is
to
cultivate
a
thriving
world-class
business
Community
one
that
drives
affordable,
inclusive
and
sustainable
city
building
and
Community
Prosperity.
Z
We
work
closely
with
our
colleagues
at
the
Ontario
and
Canadian
Chambers
of
Commerce,
as
well
as
key
economic
Partners
at
all
levels
of
government.
The
Ottawa
Board
of
Trade
supports
the
Grant
application
for
Germain
hotels
under
the
Yow
CIP
as
a
future
thinking,
Innovative
investment
executed
on
the
principles
of
fiscal
Prudence
planning
for
growth
and
optimizing
opportunities.
Our
business
leaders
have
been
long
concerned
with
the
support
for
our
airport
as
a
key
economic
driver
in
our
region.
Z
For
that
reason,
we
hosted
an
aviation
Summit
in
the
fall
of
2019
to
understand
the
issues
and
explore
the
opportunities
we
learned
that
businesses
were
hindered
to
attract
Talent,
grow,
their
investment
or
host
meetings
in
our
city
due
to
a
lack
of
direct
flights,
Ottawa
is
uniquely
challenged
because
of
our
proximity
to
Montreal
and
Toronto.
We
also
learned
about
the
importance
of
the
airport
for
leisure
and
business
travel,
as
well
as
attracting
major
cultural
and
sporting
events
that
elevate
our
lifestyle.
Z
Tourism
is
the
front
door
to
every
form
of
Economic
Development,
attracting
potential
Travelers
residents
visiting
family
and
friends,
entrepreneurs
and
investors,
who
all
directly
reduce
our
tax
burden
and
generate
economic
activity.
Five
months
later,
the
pandemic
changed
the
conversation
for
business
and
tourism
from
thriving
to
surviving.
The
airport
team
mitigated
the
disproportionate
impact
to
travel
with
care,
expertise
and
A
View
to
build
forward
better.
During
this
time,
international
airports
across
the
country
were
offering
generous
cash
incentives
for
new
routes.
Of
course,
we
discussed
this
as
a
possibility,
a
true
cash
in
hand
incentive.
Z
Instead,
we
decided
to
build
on
our
decision
to
make
the
airport
an
economic
development
Zone
and
create
a
community
Improvement
plan
to
stimulate
long-term
and
targeted
investment
in
good
faith
and
armed
with
the
city's.
Only
economic
incentive
tool,
airport
leaders
reached
out
to
germane
hotels,
to
invite
them
back
to
the
table.
The
hoteliers
were
forced
to
withdraw
from
their
new
hotel
plan
during
the
pandemic,
after
already
investing
over
a
million
dollars
on
the
site.
Z
This
project
is
exactly
the
private
investment
we
were
hoping
for
less
than
a
year
ago,
when
City
staff
expertly
crafted
and
recommended
the
CIP
when
obot
and
other
key
economic
Partners
endorsed
it,
and
when
the
city
council
approved
it,
we
appreciate
that
you
are
not
the
same
Council
who
approved
the
plan,
and
we
applaud
your
commitment
to
carefully
consider
all
programs
and
services,
including
the
CIP
as
part
of
our
overall
growth
strategy.
However,
this
project
was
pursued
by
all
parties
with
high
confidence
that
it
would
be
supported.
Z
Allowing
this
project
to
go
forward
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
signal
to
investors
that
we
are
open
for
business
and
can
offer
assurance
and
integrity
during
these
uncertain
times.
We
know
there
is
some
misunderstanding
in
our
community
that
some
think
that
we
are
spending
13
million
that
we
already
have,
instead
of
receiving
4.4
million,
that
we
may
never
have
if
this
project
is
not
approved.
The
reality
is
that
we
will
have
new
tax
revenue,
new
job,
a
new
amenity
for
our
city
and
significant
economic
spin-offs.
Z
In
addition,
we
will
have
revenue
for
the
airport,
which
pre-pandemic
generated
2.2
billion
in
economic
impact
and
supported
ten
thousand
jobs.
This
project
is
aligned
with
the
airport's
long-term
vision
and
the
timing
is
brilliant.
It
is
Chevrolet,
it's
shovel
ready
and
will
build
momentum.
Alongside
our
recent
announcements
for
Air,
France
and
Porter
Germain
hotels
is
a
canada-based
owner
already
invested
in
our
region.
They
are
here
because
we
made
a
gen
a
genuine
offer
to
them,
and
no
one
else
is
on
the
table.
Z
Cities
all
over
the
world
are
investing
heavily
in
their
post-pandemic
recovery
plans,
and
we
urgently
need
a
growth
agenda
that
leverages
the
private
sector
investment
to
compete,
to
address
our
greatest
challenges
and
to
reach
our
full
potential.
Thank
you
very
much
to
the
mayor
and
city
council
and
your
staff
for
your
passionate
support
of
our
city.
We
remain
here
to
work
with
you
on
a
growth
agenda
to
protect
and
enhance
the
quality
of
life
for
everyone
in
Canada's
capital
region.
Thank
you.
Z
G
We're
not
going
to
get
anywhere
so
I'm
just
parking
that,
because
I
think
that
is
part
of
a
discussion
that
we
have
to
have
after
today
is
how
can
the
city
and
the
airport
work
better
together
and
addressing
some
of
these
big
ticket
issues
that
have
a
significant
impact
on
the
competitiveness
of
our
airports.
Thank
you.
B
AA
That's
why
I'm
here
to
express
Ottawa
tourism
support
for
the
Grant
application
for
Germain
hotels
under
the
Ottawa
Airport
International
Airport
Community
Improvement
plan.
There
seems
to
be
a
great
deal
of
misinterpretation
of
this
funding
lever
out
there
and
we've
seen
a
narrative
of
upfront,
Cash
Out
Risk
by
the
city,
which
is
just
not
the
case.
The
Grant
application
proposes
A
reduced
tax
burden
over
25
years
to
the
new
adjoined
hotel,
creating
essentially
a
scenario
in
which
the
city
will
receive
incremental
new
tax
revenues
on
a
property
that
we
currently
do
not
receive.
AA
So
from
our
vantage
point,
we
see
positive
effects
that
this
could
have
on
growing
our
connectivity,
our
on
our
ability
to
attract
visitors
and
investment
to
the
destination,
as
tourism
is
a
key
economic
driver
to
Ottawa
and
ottawa's
second
largest
private
sector
industry,
pre-pandemic
we'll
get
there.
We
believe
that
a
full
economic
recovery
for
Ottawa
must
include
recovery
for
tourism
and
that
foundational
to
that
is
our
Airport.
So,
for
example,
when
we're
competing
for
a
major
International,
Convention,
we're
often
up
against
bigger
cities
that
are
major
Airline
hubs.
AA
Our
competition
is
likely
to
have
all
kinds
of
such
adjoining
businesses
in
their
airport
districts,
whether
it's
retail
complexes
or
Hangar,
warehouses
or
rental
car
companies
and
a
suite
of
Hotel
options
or
take
investment
attraction.
As
the
goal,
a
new
route
would
assess
a
potential
new
market
and
decide
whether
to
align
with
a
destination.
So
if
a
traveler
from
Peterborough
picks
a
departure
from
Toronto
over
a
departure
from
Ottawa,
because
they
can
stay
at
the
adjoining
Hotel
the
night
before
their
early
morning,
flight.
AA
That
kind
of
seemingly
minor
decision
can
compound
and
it
can
eat
into
our
overall
market
and
render
our
destination
less
attractive
to
investment
in
new
routes
and
new
routes,
don't
just
benefit
the
airport
District.
They
benefit
this
whole
destination,
increasing
our
ability
to
attract
visitors
and
growing
our
base
of
visitor
spending
to
our
destination,
which
also
comes
with
all
with
tax
revenues,
to
all
three
levels
of
government.
AA
So
why
should
the
Greater
Community
see
this
as
a
strategic
move?
Well
because
it
supports
growing
back
the
strengths
of
Ottawa
as
a
destination.
This
brings
in
money
from
other
places
to
be
spent
here
in
our
city,
supporting
our
businesses,
supporting
our
workers
and
generating
new
additive
tax
revenues
here
in
Ottawa,
instead
of
the
business
going
to
other
cities,
and
every
tax
dollar
that's
generated
by
visitors
is
a
tax
dollar
that
doesn't
have
to
come
from
residence.
AA
So
when
we
say
that
the
visitor
economy
as
far
or
I
guess
when
can
we
say
that
the
visitor
economy
is
firing
on
all
cylinders
and
that
it
will
be
the
economic
force
that
we
want
it
to
be
for
this
community?
For
that
we
need
our
domestic
markets
back.
We
need
our
key
connections
and
U.S
markets
and
strategic
hubs,
and
we
need
our
cities
European
and
international
connectivity
back.
AA
A
vote
in
favor
of
the
motion
is
to
go
for
the
shot,
using
the
tools
available
that
this
city
has
that
will
position
the
airport
competitively
as
we
rebuild
and
to
say
yes
to
incremental
new
tax
revenue
for
the
city
in
the
short
term.
In
closing,
Ottawa
tourism
is
fully
supportive
of
this
approach
to
use
a
strategic
and
fiscally
sound
funding
lever
that
doesn't
Place
burden
on
taxpayers
and
helps
the
airport
attract
investment.
Increase
revenues
ultimately
expand
its
root.
Network
better
serve
this
community
and
strengthen.
E
G
AA
AA
G
AA
I
think
the
point
that
I'm
trying
to
make
is
less
about
the
hotel
itself,
attracting
tourism,
it's
more
for
the
support
of
amenities
for
the
airport
to
become
to
increase
its
competitivity
so
having
another
hotel
I
mean.
Obviously,
there
are
hotels
that
service
that
part
of
the
city
having
a
hotel
that
adjoins
to
the
airport
is
a
different
type
of
Hotel,
a
different
type
of
amenity.
It
offers
options
to
visitors
and
and
travelers,
are
looking
for
different
options.
AA
G
E
AB
AA
We're
optimistic
for
2023
the
the
projections
are
in
fact
we're
in
line
with
the
three-year
average
pre-2019,
so
2017,
18
and
19.
at
you
know.
Currently,
however,
we're
not
up
to
2019
levels.
There
are
estimates
that
we
would
be
receiving
the
same
sort
of
visitor
spending
revenues
as
2019
toward
the
end
of
the
year,
but
set
against
inflation
and
recession.
Those
dollars
don't
go
as
far
so
if
you
adjust
that
for
the
projections
going
forward,
it's
more
like
2024
2025.,
great.
AB
Thank
you
as
the
board
counselor
in
the
area.
Many
of
those
hotels
are
are
in
my
ward
and
I've
heard
from
a
few
of
them
now
that
are
concerned
that
this
application
will
disadvantage
their
businesses
and
their
occupancy
rates
and
I
appreciate
your
comments
that
they
might
not
be
attracting
the
same
clientele
I'm,
not
sure
that
those
businesses
in
that
vicinity
feel
the
same
way.
Thank
you
for
your
delegation.
B
B
AA
Y
AA
I,
don't
have
information
like
that
on
hand,
although
maybe
my
colleagues
from
the
airport
who
are
speaking
have
have
information
like
that.
However,
I
can
tell
you
that
we
partner
with
the
airport
I
mentioned
earlier,
it's
a
Weather
Vein
and
it
is
one
of
the
ways
that
I
really
love
that
we
partner
with
the
airport
is
that
we
deploy
a
Wi-Fi,
enabled
survey
for
visitors
and
for
residents
at
the
airport.
AA
So
when
you
go
to
the
airport,
you've
probably
seen
this
survey
before
you
go
to
log
in
on
the
Wi-Fi,
and
you
will
be
asked
the
question
on
a
scale
of
one
to
ten
How
likely.
Are
you
to
recommend
Ottawa
to
your
friends
or
relatives
and
that's
the
net
promoter
score
and
from
there?
It
asks
whether
you're
a
local
or
whether
you're
from
out
of
town.
So
we
actually
can
gauge
resident
pride
and
visitor
Pride
based
on
that
net
promoter,
score
question
and
some
other
questions
that
follow.
That
are
logic
based.
AA
It's
a
really.
It's
a
really
great
tool
that
we
use
and
we
monitor
it
every
month
and
we
have
I,
can
tell
you.
We
have
a
really
good
score.
We
actually
have
a
higher
score
for
our
residents
than
for
our
visitors
at
this
time,
but
but
that
also
is
consistent
with
our
with
our
research
about
the
resident
Pride
that
people
have
in
Ottawa
about
their
own
City
and
it's
good
news,
and
but
both
of
the
scores
are,
are
very
high
for
net
promoter
scores.
So
it's
it's.
Y
That's
excellent
to
hear
that
does
answer
my
question,
because
you
know
once
again
and
I've
I've
been
lucky
enough
to
travel
to
many
places
in
the
world
I'm
thinking
of
Shuffle
airport,
where
they
have
a
direct
LRT
connection.
We're
about
to
have
that
there
is
amenities
within
an
incred
walking
distance,
including
really
lovely
hotels
and
different
opportunities
and
options
within.
E
Y
Hotel
proper
and
sorry
the
airport
proper.
What
I'm
wondering,
though,
is
is
that
you
know
we've
been
through
the,
as
you
mentioned,
the
thing
that
cannot
be
mentioned
to
covid
and
our
Airport
lost
many
flights.
We
lost
so
many
flights
as
a
result
of
whether
it
was
covet
or
just
the
industry.
It
was
very
detrimental
to
our
airport
and
its
abilities.
Y
So
a
lot
of
those
wonderful
first
impressions
will
were
never
going
to
happen
through
that
period.
We've
lost
that
opportunity,
we're
trying
to
get
back
to
Bringing
people
to
our
city
and
not
just
MPS,
who
are
going
to
be
flying
in
and
out
anyways
we're
talking
about
visitors
who
will
bring
money
and
spend
their
money
across
city
property,
so
I'm
asking
I,
guess
my
question
to
you
is
you
know
whether
we're
talking
about
a
hotel
right
now
at
this
application
or
we're
talking
about
other
amenities
that
will
be
coming
because
they're
stimulated
by
the
CIP?
AA
AA
It
absolutely
acts,
as
you
know,
all
of
these
things
add
momentum
and
act
as
magnets
for
other
businesses
that
come
in
there,
and
it
definitely
helps
to
create
an
airport
district
with
all
of
these
options
for
travelers
as
they're
coming
through
that
other
cities
are
benefiting
from
at
their
in
their
airports
as
well.
So
it's
kind
of
all
part
of
the
of
the
overall
recipe
of
regrowing
the
industry.
It's
hard
to
take
one
ingredient
out
of
it
and
say
you
know:
can
you
still
make
hummus
without
tahini
like
it's?
AA
It's
all
part
of
the
overall,
the
overall
rebuilding
of
the
industry
and
it's
kind
of
irrelevant
that
it
that
it's
a
hotel?
It's
you
know
something
that
we
favor,
because
it
provides
an
amenity
that
that
can
create
more
competitiveness
for
the
airport,
but
even
if
it
was
any
other
type
of
business,
we
would
still
be
here
supporting,
because
this
is
the
type
of
thing
that
we
need
to
see
in
our
airport
District.
Thank
you.
O
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor.
You
touched
on
this
in
your
presentation
and
and
again
respond
to
my
colleague,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
there
is
industry,
research
and
statistics
that
hotel
is
located
in
close
proximity
to
the
airport
or
connected
to
an
airport,
do
increase
in
and
out
frequency
specifically
for
those
late
night
early
morning.
Flights
is.
Is
that
your
understanding,
based
on
your
research,
that.
AA
That
was
exactly
the
the
example
that
I
gave
and
so
absolutely
you're
hitting
the
nail
on
the
head.
A
visitor
that
is
coming
in
from
a
further
from
a
little
further
afield
can
choose
different
departure
airports
and,
if
they're
taking
an
early
morning
flight
out-
and
it
is
easier
for
them
to
stay
in
an
adjoining
Hotel,
then
they
they
probably
will
you
know,
pick
an
airport
that
allows
them
to
do
that.
So
that's
part
of
the
competitiveness
for
Yow
that
we're
proposing
here
great.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
AA
AA
I
mean
you're
asking
me
to
kind
of
be
a
little
bit
speculative
on
that,
but
we
are
rebuilding
our
industry
as
a
whole
is
in
a
rebuilding
phase,
so
we're
not
at
the
numbers
that
we've
seen
in
2019.
However,
this
is
a
gap
in
the
in
the
overall
mix
of
things
that
we're
offering
visitors.
So
from
that
perspective,
I
would
see
a
market.
AA
AC
AC
In
our
discussions
with
the
city
of
Ottawa
in
2021
and
2022,
it
was
clear
that
providing
direct
financial
assistance
to
Yow
comparable
to
that
received
by
utter
midsize,
Canadian
Airport
peers,
was
not
an
option.
The
city
of
Ottawa
told
us
that
an
airport
CIP
was
the
best
way
and
the
only
way
it
was
willing
to
provide
assistance.
AC
AC
There
are
several
reasons
why
it's
important
that
support
that
you
support
the
CIP
application.
First,
the
project
meets
every
requirement
under
the
CIP
framework
and
the
program's
original
intent.
Second,
the
city
acknowledged
the
airport's
role
in
creating
a
prosperity
for
the
region
when
it
designated
it
as
an
economic
development
Zone.
In
the
official
plan.
Support
for
this
project
in
the
form
of
a
CIP
is
a
meaningful
and
tangible
demonstration
of
the
designation.
AC
The
project
represents
an
upside
for
the
city,
with
net
new
revenues
upon
completion,
as
identified
in
the
staff
report.
As
you
know,
Porter
Airlines
is
investing
substantially
in
our
city
and
Airport,
making
Ottawa
a
primary
maintenance
base
for
their
new
Fleet
of
50
Embraer
Jets,
a
number
that
will
likely
grow.
It
confirms
their
confidence
in
our
market
and
ensures
that
ylw
figures
in
their
aggressive
growth
plan,
Air
France
new
non-stop
service
to
Parry,
shows
the
potential
for
additional
International
and
transatlantic
service.
A
terminal
Hotel
will
enhance
our
prospects
for
achieving
similar
success
in
the
future.
AC
We
do
not
come
to
the
city
with
cap
in
half.
On
the
contrary,
we
committed
to
cover
the
cost
of
now
completed:
16
million
dollar
LRT
Airport
Terminal
Station,
because
we
believe
it
was
vital
for
the
city.
We
help
secure
nearly
150
million
dollars
in
provincial
and
federal
funding
to
cover
the
entire
construction
cost
of
the
airport
link.
AC
We
pay
near
nearly
five
million
dollars
annually
for
the
Ottawa
Police
Service
for
the
great
service
they
provide
in
policing
in
the
terminal.
That
amount
is
above
the
annual
pilt
of
5
million
dollars
that
we
pay.
We
continue
to
invest
funds
generated
by
the
lease,
such
as
the
one
with
alt
hotel
and
other
commercial
activities
into
new
initiatives
like
Porter
hanger
development.
All
of
these
projects
provide
new
tax
streams
to
the
city
coffers
and
help
Yow
grow
and
offer
your
roots.
AC
There
is
no
question
that
these
projects,
coupled
with
more
connecting
passengers,
will
accelerate
our
recovery.
Our
conservative
forecasting
suggests
two
million
more
passengers
in
the
next
five
years,
or
sooner
with
more
connecting
passengers.
We
pay
the
city,
one
dollar
and
eight
cents
in
payments
in
UF
tax,
for
every
arriving
and
departing
passenger
that
uses
our
airport.
That
amounts
doubles
when
a
passenger
connects
through
ylw.
These
passengers
also
contribute
Revenue
to
ylw
that
help
us
meet
our
goal
as
an
economic
engine
for
the
city,
we
have
a
fantastic
project
that
is
shovel
ready.
AC
Thanks
to
the
council,
approved
CIP,
we
were
able
to
breed
life
into
the
project.
Last
Summer.
The
company
is
ready
to
start
in
may
or
as
soon
as
the
CIP
is
approved.
The
sooner
we
start,
the
sooner
we
can
offer
passengers
the
amenities
they
expect
in
the
hub
airport
and
airports
who
aspire
to
become
a
hub.
The
time
to
build
is
now
approving
the
CIP
application.
Before
you
is
critical
to
achieving
our
shared
goals
for
the
Ottawa
International
Airport
and
the
City
of
Ottawa
merciful,
consideration.
AB
Thank
you,
Mr
Marin,
and
thank
you
Mr
LaRoche
for
being
here
and
for
the
value
that
the
airport
brings
both
to
our
city
into
the
south.
End
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that,
while
the
former
council
did
approve
the
community
Improvement
plan,
they
did
not
delegate
the
authority
to
staff
to
approve
all
applications
that
met
the
criteria,
so
that
meant
that
each
application
had
to
be
evaluated
on
its
own
Merit
and
to
ensure
that
it
demonstrated
value
for
the
city
based
on
the
objectives
that
we
wanted
to
achieve
through
the
community
Improvement
plan.
AB
So
with
that
in
mind,
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
could
explain
to
me
a
little
bit
more
in
detail
about
how
you
see
this
particular
application,
attracting
more
direct
routes
or
perhaps,
if
there's
projections
on
how
this
particular
application
will
attract
more
passengers
to
the
Ottawa
airport.
Thank
you.
AC
Yes,
thank
you
mayor
this.
This
airport
is
a
like
I,
say:
we've
been
trying
to
have
a
terminal
hotel
for
the
last
seven
years.
We
went
to
Market
three
times
and
we
finally
in
in
2019
and
that's
when
the
market
was
really
good.
We
had
over
5
million
passengers,
we
had
a
German
hotel.
We
convinced
them
to
proceed.
AC
The
reason
why
the
pandemic
slowed.
It
is
because
they
introduced
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
risk
and
and
essentially
they
they
backed
away
the
construction
cost
went
up
and
now
the
the
business.
What
I
call
the
business
pro
forma
just
doesn't
work
anymore.
So
we
are
imposing
a
lot
of
restrictions
on
the
hotel.
We
don't
want
any
kind
of
Hotel.
It's
an
hotel,
that's
connected
to
the
terminal.
We
are
enforcing
them
to
take
additional
costs,
for
example,
putting
that
pedway
we're
restricting
them
on
a
piece
of
land.
AC
That's
not
necessarily
conducive
to
an
hotel,
that's
because
that
is
the
only
piece
of
property
available
for
a
terminal
Hotel.
So
that
is
what
it
provides
the
airport
and
why
is
it
important
for
an
airport?
We
have
the
aspiration
to
become
a
hub
airport
and
that's
very
important,
because
the
hub
airport,
that
brings
in
more
passengers
from
outerwear
and
that
enables
us
as
an
airport,
to
provide
additional
flights
and
additional
direct
routes.
Now
that
opportunity
does
not
happen.
AC
It
is
a
high
risk,
Gamble
and
stake,
and
that
opportunity
does
not
come
often
so
the
air
Ottawa
airport
is
all
in,
for
example,
in
supporting
an
airline
like
border,
that's
building
a
large
Hangar,
because
we
see
that
possibility
of
becoming
a
hub
airport,
and
that
is
the
only
possibility
that
will
change
the
Dynamics
of
this
airport.
If
we
do
not
become
in
the
hub
airport,
we
are
going
to
continue
feeding
Toronto
40
times
a
day.
That's
that's
going
to
be
we're
going
to
be
a
regional
airport.
AC
The
geography
is
not
in
our
favor
right
here,
so
whatever
we
can
do
to
offer
an
airport
and
and
a
whole
package
of
things,
the
LRT
coming
to
the
airport.
That's
great!
That's
why
we
invested
with
the
city
to
attract
it
that
connects
the
airport
to
the
downtown.
It's
not
direct,
but
it's
a
start
offering
a
terminal
hotel.
AC
That's
another
amenity
where
people
are
going
to
say:
I
want
to
connect
to
Ottawa
airport
I,
don't
want
to
go
to
Toronto
I,
don't
want
to
go
to
Montreal
I
want
to
connect
to
Ottawa
that
will
bring
passenger
flow,
and
that
takes
time
to
Bill
and
right
now
we
have
this
opportunity
with
this
Airline
who's
buying
50
aircrafts
and
he's
going
to
put
them
where
the
best
place
possible.
I
want
that
to
be
the
Ottawa
airport.
AB
I
I
appreciate
those
comments
that
I
recall
from
the
previous
council's
conversation
around
this
CIP
staff
spoke
at
length
about
attracting
uses
that
would
support
Aviation
use
and,
while
I
I
guess
Hotel
could
could
be
that
I
I
was
hoping
to
see
businesses
more
like
what
you're
talking
about
headquarters
for
regional
Airlines,
Hangar
services
and
expansion
of
freight
related
services
in
the
Ottawa
businesses.
That
I
think
would
really
attract
more
businesses
to
to
this
location,
which
I
think
is
what
we
wanted.
AB
I
mean
I'm
concerned
with
a
hotel
that
we
already
have
a
lot
of
hotels
at
the
airport
that
have
been
struggling
so
is.
Is
this
disadvantaging
the
existing
Hotel?
So
that's
one
of
my
concerns,
but
there
there
are
many
more
and
so
I
don't
want
to
indicate
the
fact
that
I
think
that
this
is
a
great
project.
It's
whether
this
project
requires
this
subsidy
to
exist
and
does
it
achieve
the
goals
that
we
set
out
in
the
CIP?
AB
One
question,
though,
for
you
and
perhaps
it's
better
directed
towards
staff,
but
in
the
staff
presentation
it
mentioned
that
there
were
a
number
of
projects
that
were
canceled
pre-pandemic
because
of
of
obviously
this
industry
was
effect
by
the
pandemic.
Are
you
aware
of
any
other
applicants
that
are
coming
back
because
of
this
incentive.
AC
AB
N
AC
F
AC
Okay
and
the
50
million
is
because
they're
they're
asking
for
more
right
now
and
they're
supposed
to
get
it
man
and
that's
my
number,
and
so
yes,
there
is
examples
like
that.
There's
how
the
facts
that
are
getting
provincial
and
Municipal
support
Winnipeg
that
use
that
support
to
attract
The,
Lax
direct
flight,
for
example.
AC
Sadly,
airlines
are
expecting
incentives
to
come
to
an
airport
and,
if
you're
not
prepared
to
play
a
game
on
on
that
basis,
they
will
go
elsewhere
and-
and
you
know-
and
that's
the
game
we
haven't-
played
in
Ottawa
and
we're
paying
the
price
so
whatever
non-aeronautical
Revenue
that
I
can
get.
For
example,
funds
from
Elise
I
can
use
that
to
incentivize
an
airline
this
flight,
this
direct
Air
France,
connects
from
Ottawa
and
Paris
did
not
happen
by
luck.
AC
N
AC
F
AC
The
total
revenue
I'm
talking
about
the
total
revenue
that
we
generate
from
not
only
this
project
but
all
project
is,
is
close
to
the
one-term.
Non-Aeronautical
is
our
Revenue,
so
that
would
be
33
million,
but
that
is
the
commercial
activity
like
renting
cars,
restaurants,
leases
and
all
that
that
represents
approximately
one-third
of
our
our
budget
and
Revenue
covers
operations.
Also,
okay,
okay,.
N
There's
a
suggestion
that
there'll
be
a
market
for
an
airport
for
an
airport
hotel,
eventually,
obviously
the
the
the
budget
or
the
cost
construction
that
that's
why
the
CIP
is
attractive
to
this
applicant,
but
there's
a
suggestion
that
we
just
wait
and
see.
Eventually,
ridership
will
recover
and
they'll
be
there'll,
be
a
reasonable
way
to
build
this
without
a
CIP
I'm
sensing,
some
emergency
from
you,
but
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
comment
on
that
general
idea
that
we
should
just
let
the
market
play
out
and
and
see
what
happens.
N
AC
Let
the
market
play
out
and
I
waited
for
seven
years
and
that
one
that
was
pre-pandemic
again.
There
is
a
sense
of
urgency,
because
this
is
part
of
a
puzzle.
This
is
the
puzzle
to
make
the
Ottawa
airport
a
hub
airport.
It's
an
amenity,
it's
an
attraction.
You
can't
specifically
say
what
item
is
gonna
make
gonna,
be
the
Tipping
Point
to
become
a
hub
airport.
It's
just
one
part,
so
I
think
there
is
an
urgency
and
the
the
construction
build.
AC
Time
is
two
years
two,
two
and
a
half
years
since
about
airport
just
announce,
building
a
terminal
of
nine
gates
with
a
no
tell
directly
trying
to
capture
traffic
from
Eastern
Canada
borders
flying
there.
I
do
not
want
them
to
eat
our
lunch
and
take
away
the
opportunity
to
become
a
hub,
so
I
want
to
have
the
best
airport
possible
because
those
assets,
those
aircrafts,
are
very,
very
mobile.
AC
B
AC
B
Yeah,
so
there
are
benefits
to
having
the
hotel
attached
to
the
airport,
to
the
city
of
Ottawa
and
the
national
capital,
regardless
of
whether
it
generates
revenue
for
the
airport.
Yes,
okay,
so
the
revenue
for
the
airport
is
in
addition
to
the
benefits
that
would
be
created
by
having
the
hotel
on
site
Mr.
AC
Mayor,
the
revenue
from
the
from
from
the
airport
was
the
you
know.
I
would
prefer
to
have
direct
Revenue,
which
I
would
then
give
a
break
on
the
lease
to
get
the
terminal.
Tell
I
don't
have
that
option.
I'm,
not
getting
revenue
from
elsewhere.
I
have
to
generate
my
own
Revenue.
So
if,
if
I
provide,
for
example,
the
Builder
a
zero
Revenue,
then
for
me,
I
cannot
generate
Revenue
that
I
can
incentivize
to
attract
new
routes.
I.
B
Know
I
understand
that,
but
what
I'm
saying
is:
there's
there's
a
multitude
of
benefits,
you're
describing
from
having
a
hotel
attached
to
the
terminal.
Yes,
some
of
those
are
Financial,
the
rent
that
you
would
generate,
and
some
of
those
are
not
Financial
in
the
sense
that
they
they
improve
the
ability
of
the
airport
to
to
attract
flights
early
in
the
morning
late
at
night,
those
kinds
of
things
and
and
build
towards
being
a
hub.
B
AC
Correct,
that's
one,
that's
one
of
the
that's!
That's
the
whole
reasoning
behind
that,
and
that's
that
was
the
spirit
of
the
CIP.
The
city
of
Ottawa
says
we
cannot
support
directly
the
airport
with
funds
right.
Here's
the
best
tool
that
we
can
do
and
the
benefit
of
that
is
take
those
funds
that
you're
going
to
generate
from
lease.
So
you
can
do
your
job
to
attract
Airlines.
Okay,.
B
AC
B
Right,
so
you
would
still
be
able
to
get
those
other
benefits,
but
you
wouldn't
get
the
financial
benefit
which
would
be
applied
to
attracting
international
funds
and
I
know
that
we
can't
predict
the
future,
but
is
it
reasonable
to
think
that
someday
without
a
without
a
CIP
that
some
days,
somebody
would
build
a
hotel
on
that
site?
Is
it
reasonable
to
think
that
at
some
point
in
the
future,
that
would
happen.
AC
Mr
Mayor,
the
the
question
here
is
that
timing.
Our
timing
is
to
we
think
the
timing
now
is
to
have
those
amenities
in
place
to
become
a
hub
airport.
Certainly
if
the
day
we
are
a
hub
airport
I'm
going
to
have
people
that
are
going
to
bid
to
come
on
a
site
like
that,
but
I
have
to
get
to
the
hub
airport
status.
First
now
I
went
to
Market
three
times
competitive
market
and
we
weren't
able
to
attract.
AC
In
fact,
we
had
a
builder
operator
walk
away
because
the
cost
of
construction
on
that
site
was
too
high.
So
there
is
a
constraint
by
imposing
that
and
they
have
to
be
able
to
charge
a
premium
on
their
rooms
in
order
to
pay
for
the
cost
of
construction.
You
were
talking
about
metrics
of
Hotel
before
refpart
Revenue
per
available
rooms,
ADR
average
daily
rates
I
operated
the
Intercontinental
Hotel
in
Downtown
Toronto
for
five
years,
when
I
was
at
Canada
Alliance,
it's
a
585
rooms,
so
I'm
very
familiar
with
with
hotel
management
and
operation.
AC
Another
metric
is
the
cost
per
key.
You
know
how
much
does
it
cost
to
build
each
room
and
how
much
revenue
that
you
can
get
so
the
higher
the
cost,
the
higher
the
revenue
right
now,
our
Market
may
not
be
able
to
sustain
the
revenue
of
the
cost
of
construction
of
the
motel.
So
that's
why
the
negotiation
with
Jeremy
was
so
difficult,
like
he's
yeah
great,
that
he's
on
board.
B
I
understand
and
accept
all
of
that.
The
the
question
I
have,
though,
is:
is
it
reasonable
to
expect
that,
sometime
in
the
next
five
or
ten
years
or
15
years
that
there
would
be
a
hotel
built
on
that
site?
Only
if
there's
growth
at
the
airport,
okay,
but
it's
possible
that
there
would
be
a
hotel
built
there
eventually
with.
G
G
Ottawa
Porter
is
The
Shining
Star,
as
you've
alluded
to
their
investment
since
day,
one
has
been
fantastic,
Sunny
destinations
or
even
the
north
could
be
Niche.
When
you
talk
about
a
hub,
can
you
just
share
with
us?
What
would
we
be
a
hub
for?
Would
we
be
a
niche
destination
Market?
Would
it
be
with
one
of
the
major
carriers
you
want
to
attract
American
carriers
back?
Can
you
just
expand
on
your
thoughts
on
hub
airport.
AC
Thank
you,
Mr
Brockington,
for
that
question.
Yes
becoming
a
hub
airport
is
important
because,
like
I
say
it
brings
connecting
passengers
and,
for
example,
an
aircraft
that
a
direct
flight
from
Ottawa
and
San
Francisco.
The
current
market
of
the
Ottawa
is
probably
not
big
enough,
so
I
need
passengers
coming
from,
for
example,
Halifax
Moncton
Fredericton
and
used
Ottawa
airport
to
connect
that
way
it
can
fill
up
the
aircraft.
The
airline
can
make
money.
So
that's
the
importance
of
a
Hobby
Airport.
It
creates
opportunities.
AC
If
we
don't
go
to
a
hub
airport,
the
only
thing
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
because
the
airlines
they
prefer
to
connect
at
their
hub,
Toronto
and
Montreal
are
big
hubs.
Our
geography
is
really
bad
compared
to
that
word,
and
that's
the
frustration
that
we
have,
because
they
always
say:
you're
a
G7
airport
yeah
we're
in
a
G7
airport
with
a
small
market
and
the
big
markets
are
Montreal
and
and
and
Toronto.
AC
G
I
was
just
pulling
up
a
porter
ticket,
I
I
used
to
go
to
Amo.
A
few
weeks
ago.
The
fair
was
92.50,
the
taxes
were
77,
83
percent
of
my
ticket
was
taxes
and
fees.
A
month
from
today,
I'm
going
to
London
England
66
of
my
total
ticket
are
taxes
and
fees.
Obviously,
there's
two
countries
there
I
fly
domestically
within
the
states.
My
taxes,
I
pay,
are
minuscule
they're,
tiny.
The
American
government
subsidizes
some
Airlines
to
fly
to
certain
markets
to
make
sure
those
markets
remain
open.
They
subsidize
airport
fees.
G
I
know
you
don't
like
this
I've
flown
out
of
Ogdensburg
once,
but
the
fees
charged
there
for
the
ticket
again
are
are
minuscule.
So,
as
I
said
to
one
of
the
delegates,
we
have
a
competitive
disadvantage
in
this
country.
Not
just
our
population
is
small.
It's
hard
for
Airlines
to
have
big
volumes
to
sustain
themselves,
but
the
airport
rents
that
you
have
to
pay
and
the
fees
on
our
tickets
is
is
is
absurd.
If
you
look
at
it,
we
talk
about
growth,
particularly
tourism
growth.
G
So
we
have
to
have
a
discussion
after
today,
but
this
year
on
how
the
city
and
the
airport
can
better
work
together,
we
have
another,
a
multiple
Mutual
challenges
that
we
have
to
address
and
work
together
on
a
plan,
but
just
to
ask
you
federally
your
advocacy,
your
lobbying
with
the
federal
government
on
Airport
rents
fees
that
are
charged.
Is
there
any
possibility
for
relief
in
these
areas?
That's
more
money
in
your
pocket
to
do
exactly
that,
you're
talking
to
entice
Airlines
to
come
in
and
other
businesses
that
support
the
airport.
AC
Yes,
mayor
and
thank
you
for
your
question:
Mr
rockington,
the
Air
Canada,
the
the
Canadian
airport
model-
is
a
hundred
percent
user
pay.
Now
that's
a
decision.
That's
above
my
pay
grade
like
to
use
that
expression.
It
is
a
government
policy
decision
and
it's
it's
the
policy
for
all
airports
across
Canada
So,
based
on
that
we
have
a
Level
Playing
Field
between
airports.
So
yes,
that
model
has
its
disadvantage
when
compared
to
the
US
model.
AC
The
U.S
model
is
the
airports
are,
most
of
them
are
actually
municipally
owned,
like
LAX
is
a
municipal
airport,
so
they
they
get
grants
and
receive
money,
but
that's
a
different
model.
So,
right
now
our
costs
are
are
fixed.
I,
don't
see
any
hope
that
the
federal
government
is
going
to
change
that
model
of
governance
of
its
airport
and
there
is
a
consultation
process.
L
AC
Yes,
Mr
Mayor,
we
are
covering
the
cost
of
all
policing
at
the
terminal
100.
In
fact,
we
just
renewed
the
agreement
with
the
city
and
the
city
is
a
tough
negotiator.
They
didn't
give
us
any
breaks
on
the
cost.
It's
100
cost
I
pay
overtime,
I
pay
for
equipment,
I
pay
for
everything
for
the
21,
I,
think
21
police
officers
that
in
the
terminal.
So
if
I
have
to
increase
policing.
It's
on
me
so.
L
AC
Protection
and
we
provide
our
own
fire
hall
and
it's
for
our
our
fire
service
on
the
ramp
and
on
the
runway.
We're
not.
We
don't
respond
for
structural
Fires
at
the
airport,
the
City's
Fire
Services.
They
do
respond
for
structural
fire
service
and
in
assistance
to
our
firefighters.
But
the
initial
response
is
our
fire
hall.
E
L
AC
It's
the
the
hotel
is
being
built
on
a
piece
of
vacant
land
and
it
probably
is
going
to
generate
more
Revenue
than
it's
going
to
cost
the
people
that
are
going
to
stay.
There
are
going
to
take
the
LRT
they're
going
to
go
downtown,
they're,
probably
going
to
eat
in
the
restaurant.
They
may
come
back
to
the
hotel,
that's
what
it
creates.
It
creates
traffic,
it
creates
connectivity
and
it
creates
a
business
opportunities.
The
hotel
as
such
is
it
just
another
structured
right
on
the
terminal
and
I.
L
Think
councilor
Bradley
very
correctly
pointed
out
that
the
previous
Council,
when
it
approved
the
Sip
program
overall
I
I,
didn't
vote
for
it,
but
it
left
Council
approval
as
the
final
check
box
in
the
Sip
you
we
had
an
election
in
October.
We
had
a
mayor
elected
who
has
strong
concerns
about
sips.
That
was
six
months
ago.
What
work
have
you
been
doing
to
ensure
that
you're
going
to
have
the
political
support?
That
is
the
final
hurdle
to
sip
approval.
AC
Mr
Mayor
we're
here
today.
That's
the
work
we've
been
doing
prior
to
the
work
we
would.
We
have
been
engaging
with
counselors
who
want
to
engage
with
us
on
on
that
subject
and
and
to
that
and
we
we
I,
have
met
with
the
mayor,
and
he
knows
my
thoughts
on
this
and
I
know
his
also
and
yes,
that
is,
that
is
part
of
how
we
engage
directly,
so
the
political
support.
First
of
all,
we
that's
not
typically
what
we
do
like.
AC
I
guess
you
could
ask
that
to
Mr
Germaine
after
he's
he's
going
to
be
following,
but
I
know
he
hasn't
cured
Costas
just
to
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
Sip.
He
had
to
furnace
a
study
from
an
evaluator
and
assessor
to
and
and
and
again
he
has
to
he's
hoping
that
the
project
will
start
so
he's
trying
to
get
ready
with
his
plans
and
specifications.
L
AD
Thank
you.
So
much
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
financial
benefits
that
come
to
the
city
from
the
Ottawa
airport.
So
right
now
we're
currently
receiving
a
payment
in
year
of
taxes
on
the
on
the
federal
land,
we'd,
also
any
land.
That's
rented.
We
also
receive
a
property
taxes
on,
but
it's
you
keep
talking
about
the
importance
of
increased
traffic
at
the
Ottawa
airport.
AC
We
pay
a
pill
payment
in
a
year
of
tax
and
that's
a
dollar
eight
per
passenger,
and
that
was
decided
way
back
when,
instead
of
arguing
on
the
value
of
the
property,
like
typically
we
do
on
a
business
or
on
the
revenue
flow,
there
was
an
agreement
put
forward
that
each
passenger
would
provide
a
dollar
eight
in
tax
equivalent.
So
that's
the
importance
of
growing
because
for
for
for
tax
payment,
but
I
think
the
benefits
go.
Way
Beyond,
the
municipal
tax.
The
benefit
is
for
all
the
businesses
in
our
community.
AC
That
day
after
day,
I've
been
CEO
for
10
years
now,
there's
not
a
week
I
passed
by
is
Mark.
Why
don't
you
get
a
direct
flight
to
the
West
Coast?
Why
don't
you
get
this?
Why
don't
you
get
that
constantly,
but
that's
the
market
that
creates
that
Dynamic,
and
so
what
we're
betting
on
is
and
that's
the
vision
of
the
board
is
we're
all
in
that's
why
we
went
all
in
with
Porter.
AC
We
want
to
become
a
hub
airport
because
the
only
way
we're
going
to
be
able
to
offer
all
those
flights
is
to
grow
our
market
and
that's
not
the
national
capital
region.
Market.
That's
the
market
of
connecting
passengers,
so
every
connecting
passenger
that
goes
through
the
Ottawa
airport
doubles
the
dollar
innate,
but
I
I
again,
I
say
that
is
this:
that
is
small
potatoes.
What
it
rates,
for
example,
Amazon
when
they
came
here
they
want
to
know.
Where
are
you
connected?
Shopify
I
have
a
relationship,
a
direct
relationship
with
the
CEO.
AC
He
phones
me
at
least
six
months
and
gives
me
heck,
because
I
don't
have
enough
direct
flights.
He
said
you're
killing
me
I
have
to
I
have
to
bust
my
people
to
Montreal,
so
we
are
laser
focused
on
becoming
a
hub.
That
is
why
we
put
we're
really
pushing
hard
for
a
no-tel
connecting.
That
is
why
we
are
increasing
our
concessions
in
the
hotel,
and
that
is
in
a
market
that
has
not
recovered
yet
because
the
timing
is
now
I
didn't
decide
to
buy
50
aircrafts
and
put
them
somewhere.
AC
AC
Y
AC
AC
The
the
terms
that
were
negotiated
were
germane
was
hoping
for
the
CIP.
When
we
brought
them
back
to
the
table.
He
was
gone
last
year
essentially,
and
it's
with
the
CIP
that
I
say
can
you
can
and
you
come
back
so
that
was
so.
It's
going
to
be
a
business
decision
on
Jermaine
and
you
can
ask
the
question
to
Mr
Germany
yeah.
Y
You're
coming
to
us
in
good
faith
ever
having
been
given
the
criteria
for
a
CIP
you're
working
under
that
impression,
you're
coming
to
us
now
what
message
if
this
is
decline
today
or
a
council?
What
message
does
that
send
to
Future
applicants
under
the
CIP
and
actually,
what
messages
does
this
send
to
you
from
us.
AC
AC
It's
not,
but
it's
the
only
tool
that
the
city
made
available
and
it's
the
only
tool
that
they
say
they
can
do,
allow
under
the
province
of
Ontario
on
the
planning
Act.
So
it's
not
the
perfect
tool,
it's
the
best
tool,
it's
very
appreciative
of
the
tool,
but
now
it
now
that
I
got
my
first
applicant
and
you
pull
that
tool
away.
The
the
signal
I
don't
have
to
indicate
what
kind
of
signal
that
sends
it's.
It's
pretty
obvious.
Y
You
had
you
had
spoken
about
other
jurisdictions,
other
municipalities
across
Canada
that
provided
incentives,
I'm
assuming
the
vast
majority
of
that
then
came
from
taxpayers.
They
were
providing
straight
out
money.
I
recall
when
the
airport
came
to
our
Council
and
said:
listen,
we're
struggling.
We
cannot
make
it
unless
we
get
some
help
and
Council
came
back
and
said
we
do
not
in
good
faith,
feel
that
we
can
come
to
you
and
give
taxpayer
dollars.
Y
The
only
tool
that
we
can
use
that
does
not
rely
on
our
residents
is
a
CIP
I'm
I'm,
making
that
a
point
I'm
not
asking
for
your
comment
on
that
and
I
think
that
today,
for
you
to
come
here
and
expect
for
us
to
approve
this
I
think
that
you're
you're
entitled
to
feel
that
you
should
get
that
approval
based
on
the
criteria
we
laid
out
and
on
the
fact
that
this
is
not
our
residence
money.
This
is
found
money
that
would
come
into
our
city
and
support.
Y
What
you're
trying
to
do
is
to
become
a
hub
to
become
a
real
airport
for
the
nation's
capital,
not
that
you're,
not
a
real
airport,
but
like
once
again
something
that's
competitive,
something
that's
oppressive,
something
that
draws
people
back
and
makes
our
residents
proud
to
go
through
Ottawa
instead
of
driving
to
Toronto
or
Montreal.
So
I
appreciate
that
there
wasn't
really
a
question
in
that
one,
but
I
appreciate
you
being
here
today.
Thank.
AE
AE
How
do
you
go
about
incentivizing
that
growth
that
we
would
need
if,
if
this
airport
is,
is
not
there?
How
do
you
increase
the
growth
which
would
therefore
allow
for
the
market
conditions
to
to
to
be
such
that
that
a
hotel
would
want
to
to
to
grow
organically?
Because
that's
what
I
heard
from
you
is
that,
in
the
absence
of
growth,
you
do
not
see
the
market
conditions
that
there
will
be
a
hotel
that
would
come
into
this
parcel
of
land.
AC
Thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you,
counselor,
yes,
again,
a
very
speculative
in
order,
if
I
don't
have
growth
and
I,
don't
have
Partners
to
to
assist
us
in
that
growth,
then
I
have
to
rely
100
on
my
own
funds,
which
I
have
so
far.
This
is
the
first
time
that
we're
applying
to
the
city
for
assistance,
because
we
have
a
vision
of
becoming
a
hub
airport
and,
and
it
requires
a
lot
of
money
and
there's
a
lot
of
risk
with
our
hotel.
AC
Yes,
for
example,
to
come
into
the
market
at
this
point
of
the
game
where
we're
not
fully
recovered
and
and
where
our
construction
costs
are
probably
very
high
because
of
the
constraints
of
the
property
and
inflation
and
and
credit
risk
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
if
we
don't
have
the
CIP,
that
means
we're
back
to
the
drawing
table
and
we
try
to
find
another
one
because
I,
you
know,
I'll
I'll
continue
to
try
to
look
for
a
terminal
hotel,
but
I
have
one
right
now
and
that's
the
opportunity
that
I
want
to
seize.
AC
It
took
seven
years
to
get
to
this
point,
and
that
was
pre-pandemic.
That's
when
we
were
pushing
at
5.2
million
passengers
we're
trying
to
get
the
formula
in
this
year,
but
I
have
a
vision.
That's
much
further
than
the
next
two
or
three
years
again
to
become
a
hub
airport
takes
time
and
it's
one
block
at
a
time
and
finally,
there's
a
Tipping,
Point,
Airlines
start
moving
and
and
connecting
passengers
to
it.
AC
We
got
one
part
of
the
puzzle
with
Porter,
putting
a
tech
hanger
and
that's
a
huge
bill
that
pays
more
than
it's
going
to
pay
more
in
Municipal
tax
than
than
than
this
CIP
program.
Just
that
one
alone,
it's
going
to
create
200,
200
jobs
or
something
like
that,
and
so
again
we're
trying
to
seize
the
opportunity.
That's
provided
to
us.
AE
AE
Are
you
able
to
offer
a
comment
or
question
about
what
other
sites
could
be
in
the
pipeline
in
the
area?
There
were
some
specific
comments
to
that
made
by
our
MPP
when
we
had
an
economic
development
meeting
in
in
Nepean
a
few
weeks
ago.
So
do
you
have
any
comments
on
perhaps
other
CIP
type
applications
that
could
be
coming
in
the
pipe
that
could
perhaps
support
this.
AC
We
have
several
projects
and
I
have
to
be
careful
because
most
projects,
when
they
come
to
the
airport,
they
make
a
sign
non-disclosure
for
commercial
reasons.
They
don't
they
wanted.
They
don't
want
to
tip
our
hands.
So
what
I
can
say?
There's
property,
that's
ready
for
development,
a
large
property
that
is
ready
for
redevelopment
and
buy
our
taxiway
Romeo
I
know
it
probably
doesn't
see
ASA
a
lot
to
people,
but
it
brings
access
direct
to
the
flight
line,
and
that
is
in
play
right
now
there
are
people,
inquiring
and
they're.
AC
T
I
think
we've
heard
a
lot
about
the
the
tools
the
municipality
has
to
to
help
the
airport
and
we've
heard
a
lot
that
this
is
sort
of
the
the
only
one
but
I
do
wonder
your
perspective
on
the
municipality
making
Investments
as
a
tool
to
support
the
airport
in
other
ways.
I
suspect
that
you
would.
You
would
agree
that
the
multi-billion
dollar
investment
in
stage
two
to
get
out
to
that
Spur
Line
in
the
north-south
route
is
also
a
tool.
T
AC
When
I
came
on
as
CEO
and
it's
through
the
efforts
with
the
city
to
convince
the
province
and
the
federal
to
fund
and
pay
for
the
whole
Capital
Construction
of
the
airport
link
and
when
there
was
like
we
say,
the
ludan
gals
in
French,
when
there
were
issues,
I
convinced
our
board
to
to
Pony
up
and
say
we
will
pay
for
the
station,
because
it's
better
for
the
city.
It
doesn't
do
anything
to
our
Revenue.
AC
In
fact,
it's
probably
a
negative
revenue
on
the
airport
operations,
because
people
that
use
the
LRT
do
not
park
and
I'm
not
saying
that's
a
bad
thing.
I'm
just
saying
that
on
financial
for
financial
reason,
it's
a
net
loss,
probably
for
it,
for
the
airport,
as
public
transport
city
has
to
subsidize
public
transport.
So
we
are
a
good
corporate
citizen.
We
invest
in
that
because
we
believe
in
in
in
in
the
LRT,
but
the
funding
was
paid
for
also
by
the
airport
and
and
we
will
we'll
we'll
continue
to
be
a
bit.
T
AC
So,
on
the
enticement,
what
we
are
saying
hub
airport
is
for
connecting
passengers
and
for
connecting
passengers
that
allows
us
to
increase
direct
routes,
so
they're
they're
not
necessarily
coming
to
use
the
the
the
amenities
of
the
city.
Now
those
flights
are
already
coming
in
the
original
destination
to
Ottawa.
Tourism
does
a
great
job
with
a
hub
airport.
AC
T
F
Enjoy
excellent
relationships
with
all
of
our
tenants
and
during
the
peak
of
the
pandemic
we
were
excellent
partners
with
them
by
forgiving
rent
conditions
in
order
to
help
them
survive.
Everyone
had
an
equal
opportunity
to
participate
in
the
three
rfps
and
we
are
left
with
Germaine
and
not
not.
One
piece
of
communication
came
to
me
and
I'm
responsible
for
those
leases
about
any
concern
about
the
CIP
directly
from
any
of
those
properties
or
any
attendant.
That's
on
the
airport
land
can.
T
B
Thank
you.
Councilman
are
just
a
quick
follow-up
on
that
and
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
a
question
to
you
or
to
staff,
but
but
my
understanding
is
that
the
expectation
is
that
the
the
light
rail
spur
to
the
airport
will
not
pay
for
itself
and
that
we
are
subsidizing
the
the
cost
on
an
operating
level
of
of
running
the
trains.
B
So
it's
it's
effectively
a
partnership
where
everybody's
chipped
in
some
money,
including
the
city,
to
make
sure
that
there
is
a
link
to
the
airport
and
the
city,
is
contributing
to
that
as
well.
It's
not
it's,
not
the
airport
and
the
federal
government
paying
for
everything.
We're
we're
a
partner
in
that.
Is
that
fair
to
say
your
mic's,
not
on
Mark,
exactly.
AC
Mr
Mayor,
just
like
public
transport
to
bus
right
now,
probably
doesn't
pay
for
itself
when
it
comes
to
the
airport.
Those
are
the
servers
that
typically
should
be
paid
for
our
dollar
eight
and
payment
in
the
year
of
tax.
That
and
that's
how
we
support
it.
But
any
public
transport
is
not
a
for-profit
business.
E
B
O
Thank
you,
chair
I
think
you
provided
a
lot
of
examples
about
the
vision
for
the
airport
and
and
how
you're
hoping
to
grow.
But
I
was
hoping
you
could
explain
just
to
be
perfectly
clear.
The
difference
between
aeronautical
and
non-aeronautical
revenue
and
the
cascading
effect
that
non-aeronautical
Revenue
has
on
improving
airport
competitiveness.
AC
Yes,
mayor,
thank
you,
councilor,
kids,
excellent
question
very,
very
poignant.
Non-Aeronautical
revenue
is
all
the
revenue
that
we
get
from
concessions.
Commercials
leases,
essentially
that
we
don't
collect
at
the
airlines.
So
the
cup
of
coffee,
that
passenger
buys
at
Tim
Horton
that
there's
a
there's
a
revenue
float
at
us.
AC
The
aeronautical
revenue
is
the
fees
that
the
airline
pay
when
they
land
on
the
on
the
on
the
on
the
tarmac
and
on
the
runways
and
the
gating
services,
and
all
that
so
as
a
principal
you
don't
use
Airline
fees
or
aeronautical
for
commercial
Ventures.
You
use
your
non-aeronautical,
you
have
more
flexibility,
you
don't
want!
You
don't
want
to
subsidize
another
airline
with
the
fees
that
you
collect
at
another
airline.
That
wouldn't
be
fair,
so
our
non-aeronautical
revenue
is
the
one
that
we
have
more
flexibility
and
it
goes
to
our
purpose.
AC
Our
purpose
in
in
the
airport
is
it's
not
only
to
safely
connect
people
and
move
good
is,
but
it's
to
create
economic
Prosperity
so
with
the
non-air
non-aeronautical
revenue
that
gives
us
flexibility
to
create
that
economic
prosperity
to
the
region
and
that's
what
we
use
it
for
and
and
but
we
use
it
to
cover
some
of
our
operations,
because
we
want
to
keep
our
fees
our
aeronautical
fees
as
low
as
possible.
In
order
for
us
to
be
competitive.
O
O
B
AB
Sorry
I
just
had
a
one
final
question.
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor.
It
was
just
a
point
that
was
raised
by
your
colleague
that
the
hotels
that
you
currently
have
a
lease
with
you
forgave
some
of
their
lease
Revenue
during
the
pandemic.
Are
you
concerned
at
all
that
this
first
inaugural
investment
that
we're
making
in
this
site
CIP
is
a
business?
AC
They
all
have
a
terminal
Hotel
and
if
we
want
to
play
in
the
league
of
a
hub
airport,
we
have
to
have
those
amenities
and
right
now
we're
we're
trying
to
get
our
timing
right
because
we
have
a
business
opportunity
and
timing
is
everything
and
you
know
the
more
we
delay.
That's
that's
what
kills
all
deals
and
the
delay
I've
seen
it
time
and
time
again.
AB
Thank
you
for
that.
I
guess.
I
can
appreciate
that
connecting
hotel
is
something
that
the
airport
is
really
interested
in
I'm.
Just
thinking
in
terms
of
our
city
investment.
Does
it
make
more
sense
for
us
to
be
investing
if
we're
going
to
be
providing
a
subsidy
into
a
business
that
might
be
more
insulated
from
you
know,
I
mean
this
pandemic's
not
over,
and
certainly
I
think
that
we
understand
that
there
could
be
future
pandemics
and
so
for
being
strategic
about
our
city
investment.
AB
L
B
B
B
AF
So
good
morning,
mayor
Sutcliffe,
Vice,
chair,
kids
and
committee
members,
my
name
is
I'm
the
vice
president
of
operations
for
German
Hotel,
a
Canadian
third
generation
family
business
that
owned
18
hotels
across
seven
provinces
in
the
country,
we're
almost
Coast
to
Coast
I'm
today
in
front
of
you
representing
our
company,
but
also
my
family,
for
which
I'm
fortunate
to
work
alongside
five
other
members.
Our
model
is
quite
unique.
We
typically
develop
we
own
and
manage
manage
hotels.
AF
We
invest
for
the
long
run
and
we
pride
ourselves
with
the
efforts
we
put
in
creating
beautiful,
inspiring
places.
Everywhere
we
go.
Our
portfolio
of
hotels
counts,
a
few
of
the
truly
Canadian
Brands,
so
Legend
and
escad
hotels.
As
some
of
you
may
know,
we
currently
own
two
properties
in
the
city
of
Ottawa
legia,
which
is
part
of
oag
a
project
we
did
in
partnership
with
the
city
a
couple
of
years
ago,
and
also
the
out
on
Slater
Street
near
Bank.
AF
Those
two
properties
have
collectively
paid
close
to
6.5
million
in
property
tax
since
opening
the
first
hotel
in
2016..
Our
positive
experience
in
primary
airport
context
we're
currently
at
Pearson
and
Halifax,
led
us
to
respond
to
RFP
to
integrate
one
of
our
hotels
at
Yow.
After
going
through
three
RFP
processes,
as
we
mentioned
earlier
over
the
course
of
seven
plus
years,
we
were
successful
in
securing
a
deal
with
the
airport
Authority
on
the
third
try
on
July
18
2018
out
Canada
investment
partnership
signed
an
offer
to
lease
with
the
airport
Authority
about
a
month
later.
AF
The
investment
committee
about
Canada
also
approved
the
project
under
the
following
conditions.
It
was
180
room
hotel
for
a
budget
estimated
at
42
million
on
January
10
2019.
Given
the
approval
of
the
investment
committee,
the
lease
was
signed
with
the
airport
Authority
under
the
conditions
contained
in
the
initial
offer
to
lease
over
the
course
of
the
following
months.
We
work
towards
getting
the
plans
done
with
the
Architects
with
our
Professionals.
In
parallel,
we
initiated
the
work
in
in
order
to
obtain
the
required
approvals
from
the
city
to
build
the
hotel
at
the
airport.
AF
Therefore,
about
2
million
were
spent
over
the
course
of
that
preparation
and
to
get
the
project
ready
on
its
way.
On
January
to
our
30th
2020
site
plan
control
application
was
approved,
but
the
agreement
was
never
registered.
At
that
point,
we
were
getting
ready
with
our
Builder,
which
is
also
a
local
family
business,
a
fuller
construction
to
put
together
the
game
plan
to
start
construction
by
the
spring
of
2020.
AF
on
March
13
2020.
The
pandemic
hits
from
that
day.
At
that
point,
we
lost
95
percent
of
our
revenues
from
one
day
to
another.
At
that
moment,
we
put
all
our
development
activities
in
the
country
on
Old
in
order
to
protect
our
company
and
ensure
its
survival
in
the
fall
of
2021
part
of
our
internal
review
processes.
Our
construction
team
worked
on
updating
the
budget
in
order
to
better
understand
the
impact
that
the
pandemic
add
on
the
construction
costs.
The
following
results
on
the
budgeting
exercise
for
the
project.
AF
We
went
from
initial
budget
of
42
to
a
estimated
budget
of
55
million,
which
represented
a
30
increase
in
construction
costs.
Although
out
Canada
investment
partnership
agreed
that
the
opportunity
at
the
airport
was
a
strategic
one.
The
significant
increase
in
construction
costs
was
making
it
impossible
to
support
and
justify
the
risk.
We
asked
the
airport
to
postpone
certain
of
the
key
dates
in
our
agreements
in
order
to
find
a
way
forward
with
this
Strategic
investment.
AF
Our
excellent
relationship
with
the
airport
enabled
us
to
keep
the
deal
alive
to
try
to
find
different
ways
to
make
it
go.
In
the
summer
of
2022,
the
airport
Authority
informed
us
that
they
had
worked
with
the
city
in
order
to
develop
a
community
Improvement
plan
that
could
have
significant
impact
on
the
feasibility
of
the
project.
It
is
at
that
moment
that
we
started
to
model
the
incentive
impact
and
talks
with
our
investors
to
resume
the
development
process
in
the
fall
of
2022.
AF
Nearly
four
years
after
signing
the
lease
with
the
the
airport,
we
managed
to
obtain
a
resolution
from
our
Canada
investment
committee
recommending
the
go-ahead
with
the
project
under
certain
Key
conditions.
The
main
conditions
were
the
following:
first
one
to
be
able
to
secure
the
incentive
offered
by
the
city
of
Ottawa,
the
CIP
aimed
to
help
to
develop
the
airport,
sorry
attract
private
sector
investment
and
development,
and
also
be
able
to
present
a
project
that
would
cost
no
more
than
55
million.
AF
So
it's
not
an
easy
task.
Our
team
is
currently
finalizing
is
value
engineering
work
in
order
to
get
the
project
on
its
weight
when
it
budget
our
goal
is
to
start
construction
and
the
story
shortage
delay
once
the
CIP
is
approved
and
the
city
approvals
are
obtained.
We're
looking
forward
to
obtaining
an
opening,
sorry,
our
third
property
in
the
city
of
Ottawa
and,
most
importantly,
showcase
our
know-how
and
our
expertise
for
this
key
strategic
tourism
infrastructure.
We're
proud,
proud
corporate
citizens
of
this
city
and
intend
to
continue
playing
a
positive
role
in
the
community
foreign.
G
Thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you
very
much,
sir,
for
coming
down
today
and
advocating
for
this
Grant
with
the
city.
This
will
be
the
ninth
hotel
in
the
vicinity
or
at
the
airport,
serving
the
Ottawa
International
Airport.
Do
you
believe
that
there
is
a
market
for
this
hotel,
obviously
you're
putting
the
application
forward,
but
even
our
tourism
rep
couldn't
answer
this
question?
Do
you
believe
there
is
a
financially
sustainable,
financially
viable
Market
to
support
your
hotel.
AF
So
we
we
do
believe
in
the
airport
Market.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
you
know
we've,
we
do
have
two
hotels
right
now
in
airport
context.
What's
in
a
way
in
the
way
we
evaluated
the
opportunity
at
Ottawa,
it
was
always
a
question
we're
in
Pearson,
where
we
have.
You
know
Pearson
before
the
pandemic,
that
we're
going
to
be
eating
50
million
passengers
a
year
no-brainer.
You
know
lots
of
passengers,
lots
of
people
coming
in
and
out
the
airport
in
Halifax,
it's
a
maritime,
it's
the
Hub
of
the
maritime.
AF
So
it's
it's
where
people
are
leaving
too
and
sometimes
even
going
to
Europe
direct
connection
and
everything
like
that
being
a
hub.
It's
probably
an
easier
bet,
although
the
passenger
account
is,
is
lesser
than
what
we're
currently
seeing
in
Ottawa.
What
we
got
many
questions
from
our
investors
about
the
Ottawa
Market.
It
was
that
it
was
the
end
of
the
line.
It
was
not
necessarily
a
hub,
so
it
is,
it
was
in
fact
you
know
very
interesting
because
it
was
the
terminal
opportunity
at
the
airport.
We
understand
there's
value
in
this.
AF
The
question
mark
is
always
the
the
fact
that
it's
the
end
of
the
line-
it's
not
the
Hub.
That
being
said,
we
we
were
interested
and
that's
why
we
kept
interest
over
the
course
of
those
seven
years
to
do
a
project
here.
As
you
know,
we're
committed
in
this
market.
We
we
know
that
you
know
it's
a
flagship
location.
It's
it's
good
visibility
and
everything
like
that.
G
Are
you
thinking,
though,
that
your
investment
is
going
to
be
hedged
with
this
Hub
concept?
If
I
live
in
Moncton
or
Charlottetown
and
I'm
going
to
San
Francisco,
it
sounds
like
I'm
not
staying
in
Ottawa
I'm
connecting
I
start
in
the
morning,
I
change
planes
in
Ottawa
and
I
go
out
west,
so
I'm
in
the
Ottawa
airport
for
an
hour,
90
minutes
I'm,
not
using
Hotel
Services.
Who
do
you
envision?
Your
target
market
is
for
your
hotel
if
it's
built,
who
will
be
staying
there
well.
AF
AF
Obviously,
if
you
got
a
good
good
amenity
for
the
local
local
citizens
going
on
vacation
and
everything
like
that,
getting
closer
to
the
point
of
departure,
the
the
terminal
aspect-
you
know
just
you
wouldn't
realize,
like
we
were
talking
about
additional
hotels,
but
one
one
thing
for
for
terminal
hotels,
which
is
interesting
for
for
the
guests
and
the
user.
Is
that
the
certainty
and
the
when
we're
talking
about
amenity
you
when
you
know
that
you
can
be
at
your
gate
within
12
minutes,
let's
say
including
passing
security.
This
is
this
is
comforting.
AF
This
is
something
that
that
people
like
and
and
I
can
tell
you
when
I'm
staying
at
the
Pearson
alt
I
know
that
I
can
be
at
my
gate
in
22
minutes
when
I'm
taking
the
People
Mover.
Imagine
if
I
can
just
cross
a
pathway.
You
know
this
is
like
we're
talking
amenity.
This
is
stop
amenity
if
you
want
to
have
something.
That's
really
state
of
the
art
and
I.
Think
Ottawa
deserves
that.
That's
really
a
a
good
argument
to
have
a
hotel
connected
to
a
sorry,
a
terminal
terminal
facility.
G
AF
So
so
the
if
the
grant
is
not
not
approved,
we
will
have
to
go
back
and
talk
to
a
the
airport
and
and
look
at
the
commercial
terms
of
what
we
have
as
a
deal
right
now.
The
other
thing
we'll
have
to
do
is
you
know,
obviously
a
hotel
of
this,
this
an
investment
of
this
magnitude
with
we're
talking,
55
million.
You
can
imagine
that
we're
not
doing
this
all
cash,
so
we
have
a
partner.
AF
We
have
a
lender,
that's
going
to
be,
and
the
lender
is
entertaining
this
as
a
additional
source
of
help
in
order
to
justify
doing
an
investment,
as
you
can
imagine,
with
the
pandemic,
lenders
were
much
more
cautious
in
our
industry
and
they
were
not
offering,
let's
say
the
same
type
of
conditions
we
would
get.
We
were
getting
prior
to
the
pandemic
and
getting
them
at
the
table
required
additional
arguments,
and
this
was
one
of
them.
AF
G
I
would
just
close
by
saying
there
are
eight
airports
that
exist
now
and
they
exist
because
there's
demand
for
their
service
and
you're,
offering
probably
a
higher
level
service
targeting
a
certain
type
of
client
that
may
or
may
not
be
absent
in
the
immediate
area,
which
would
benefit
you
and
Mr.
Laroche
has
stated
that
over
five
years
he
thinks
passenger
volume
will
increase
by
two
million
people.
That's
a
50
increase
than
what
he's
targeting
this
year,
which
means
that
people
will
need
hotels
that
that
demand
will
only
go
up.
G
So
if
you
have
a
product
that
people
want
and
it's
priced
at
a
rate
that's
attractive,
you
will
be
financially
viable
without
a
grant,
even
without
a
grant.
So
I
would,
as
a
long
time
ottawan
say
I've
seen
our
hotel
evolve
from
a
Backwater
little
facility
to
a
award-winning,
International
Airport,
and
it's
worth
investing
in
and
I
would
ask
you
to
consider
that
even
if
this
grant
is
not
approved,
there
is
long-term
value
for
your
corporation
to
invest
in
the
city
of
Ottawa.
Thank
you.
L
Thank
you
and
the
bad
faith
argument
is,
is
one
that
I
think
we've
heard
a
couple
of
times
this
morning,
you
as
a
company
have
spent
at
least
a
million
I.
Think
I
heard
in
your
remarks:
two
million
two
million,
but
they
should
get
ready
for
this
bid.
Yeah
I
just
want
to
understand,
has
the
the
bulk
of
that
money
to
get
ready
to
build
a
hotel
been
spent
prior
to
or
since
fall
2022,
when
your
investors
gave
you
that
most
recent
go
ahead.
I.
O
AF
So
part
of
I
mentioned
in
my
in
my
speech
that
we're
doing
value
engineering
so
the
one
thing
that
is
very
important
that
the
airport
has
been
very
through
the
entire
process.
The
airport
has
been
very
specific
on
what
they
were
expecting
and
Etc.
You
know,
rightfully
so
I
think
it's
very
important,
as
you
mentioned
they're
looking
for
a
product
that
will
resonate
to
the
the
quality
of
the
overall
installation
of
the
airport
and
to
that
matter,
when
we
came
back
with
the
budget
at
55
million
in
2021.
AF
It's
the
same,
we're
just
reallocating
some
space
in
the
building,
we're
also
putting
more
emphasis
on
making
it's
very
important
for
the
airport
that
we
have
a
restaurant
in
the
hotel.
So
we're
trying
to
come
up
with
something
super
Dynamic,
very
nice
state
of
the
art
I
think
people
will
enjoy
again,
not
necessarily
the
most
expensive
joint,
but
something
that
people
will
will
enjoy
consuming
at.
AF
So
that's
the
essential
of
what
we've
been
doing,
basically
value
engineering
and
being
more
efficient
with
our
building
keeping
super
high
quality
building
we're
doing
we're,
not
we're
not
cheaping
out
on
materials.
We
need
to
spend
a
lot
of
attention
on
Acoustics,
as
you
can
imagine
in
the
airport
context,
with
the
amount
of
decibels
with
the
Airlines
and
everything
like
that.
We
need
to
have
mass.
AF
We
have
to
get
a
good
soundproof
with
the
windows
and
everything,
so
that
needs
to
be
a
top-class
building
and
that's
the
reason
why
it's
so
expensive
and
that's
putting
more
constraints
on
our
ability
to
make
it
work.
You
know
just
to
give
you
an
idea.
You
know
our
budgets
for
hotels,
terminal,
hotels
and,
as
you
look
Pearson,
whenever
it
went,
it
doubled
the
price
of
what
we
were
paying
10
years
ago.
So
you
can
imagine
the
stress
it
puts
when
the
the
ADR
is
not
necessarily
following.
AF
AD
You
very
much
Mr
Mayor,
so
one
of
the
major
travel
sites
that
sometimes
I
use
when
I'm
booking
travel,
which
is
not
very
often
because
I
can't
really
afford
to
travel
with
a
one-year-old
and
a
three-year-old
at
home,
but
it
lists
the
average
hotel
price
in
our
city
at
214
a
night.
The
alt
Hotel
downtown
the
weekend
price
for
this
weekend.
AD
Right
now
is
189
a
night,
so
I'm
wondering
you
know,
because
it
seems
that
you
know
your
per
night
about
your
per
night
rate
is,
is
actually
below
average
for
the
city
of
Ottawa.
Where
do
you
think
you're
going
to
sit
of
an
ecosystem
of
of
the
other
accommodations?
The
other
hotels
at
the
at
the
Ottawa
airport.
AF
Obviously
we're
very
cognizant
of
what's
going
on
around
us,
and
everything
like
that,
I
think
the
most
important
thing
for
us
it's
to
be
able
to
offer
good
value
and
we've
been
doing
this
in
Canada
throughout
all
our
hotels
and
it's
not
going
to
be
different
in
Ottawa,
so
I
think
it's.
The
focus
is
really
to
have
good
quality.
The
best
service
have
you
know
like
human
contact
and
everything
like
that.
It's
our
it's
part
of
our
culture.
It's
a
family
business.
AF
So
we
try
to
bring
this
everywhere,
so
I
think
having
that
also
that
figure
and
that
type
of
service
in
a
city
like
Ottawa,
the
first
entry
when
you're
coming
in
you're
meeting
with
our
people
I
think
it's
also
that's
adding
to
the
amenity
aside
from
being
in
good
value.
I
think
that's
also
the
other
element
we
need
to
take
into
consideration.
AB
Thank
you,
Mr
mayron,
thank
you
for
delegating.
Today,
I
just
had
a
question
around
construction
inflation,
so
originally
pre-pandemic
in
2019
the
hotel
was
estimated
to
cost
42
million
I.
Think
and
since
then
it's
risen
to
55
million.
In
your
opening
remarks,
you
had
suggested
that
if
those
costs
continue
to
escalate
that
this
project
would
not
be
viable,
so
I
guess
my
question
to
you
is:
if
you
receive
this
grant
and
construction
inflation
continues
to
rise.
Would
you
back
out
of
this
project.
AF
So
in
order
to
be
able
to
fit
in
to
that
that
budget
and
also
have
enough
contingencies
in
order
to
deliver
a
project
within
those
scope,
so
I
understand
the
question
is
saying:
if
it
rises
more,
will
we
still
be
building
I
I
still
have
to
render
some
accounts
to
our
investors
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
condition
is
to
be
able
to
build
for
55
million.
Not
more
so
that's
my
focus,
and
you
know
obviously
having
this
the
the
the
ability
to
come
back
and
and
say
that
we
have.
E
AF
Benefits,
that's
not
what
I
was
answering
I'm
just
saying
that
right
now
we're
working
really
diligently
with
our
team
and
everything
to
make
it
happen.
I
think
the
fact
that
we've
been
around
the
table
for
seven
years,
you
know
and
obviously
through
the
pandemic.
You
can
understand
that
we
we
took
a
little
break
on
development,
but
you
know
I,
think
I.
Think
the
fact
that
we're
here
today
is
the
fact
that
we're
committed
to
this
Market.
AB
Great
thank
you
for
that
and
I'm
just
following
up
on
councilor
luloff,
with
the
comment
on
the
average
nightly
rate
because
I
know
I
just
booked
a
hotel
for
an
upcoming
fcm
conference
and
I
think
it
was
like
500
a
night,
something
like
that.
It
was
insane,
so
is
your
average
nightly
rate
closer
to
189
dollars,
and
otherwise
that
is
that
accurate.
AF
AB
B
AG
You
I
just
have
a
short
statement.
Poem
entitled
wither
are
tax
dollars,
Hotel
on
the
take
when
deciding
our
dollars
to
spend
tough
decisions
to
make
a
hotel
dollars
to
lend.
No
not
lend
Grant
means
fewer
trees
to
plant
for
the
rest
of
us,
we
get
to
eat
cake,
13
million
and
change
for
what,
in
exchange
a
fancy
hotel.
AG
While
so
many
live
rough,
no
place
to
dwell
enough
Mr,
Mayor
I
hear
you
said.
No
could
you
please
say
this
is
so
to
all
attending
with
clear
understanding
that
our
money
will
go
not
to
Jermaine
how
insane,
but
to
those
meeting
shelter
no
longer
in
Helter
Skelter.
Just
a
place
to
live
is
yours
to
give
I
hope
to
hear
from
you,
Mr
Mayor
as
to
whether
what
I
have
heard
is
in
fact
true.
Y
Foreign,
then
my
motion
would
take
the
found
money
from
this
money
that
we
wouldn't
receive
if
this
project
doesn't
go
ahead
and
put
it
directly
towards
getting
families
out
of
Emergency
Shelters
and
into
permanent
housing.
So
there
is
no
question
there.
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
in
case
you
had
missed
me
reading
in
that
motion.
Thank
you
for
being
a
delegation
today.
Thank.
AG
B
AH
AH
So
I
think
that's
important,
as
Council
deeper
mentioned,
that
being
a
final
hurdle
which
is
important,
which
I
I.
Don't
think
that
you
know
this.
The
the
airport,
Authority
and
germano
tells
has
done
enough
to
convince
the
public
of
that
and
and
I
want
to
First
address
the
Assumption
in
the
staff
presentation
that
there
is
never
a
choice
to
be
made
between
providing
CIP
funding
to
another
priority
and
that
no
taxpayer
money
is
being
used
to
fund
this.
Well.
It
may
be
true
that
no
direct
funding
is
going
towards
this
hotel.
AH
AH
As
we
know,
the
same
program
was
used
in
May
2021
to
give
a
2.9
Million
Dollar
tax
break
to
a
poor
scholarship
advantage
or
the
guise
of
a
community
benefit,
but
there
was
never
a
guarantee
that
any
extra
Revenue
the
city
captured
from
the
new
dealership
would
be
reinvested
in
Social,
Services
or
housing,
let
alone
a
neighborhood
of
Annie
itself,
and
the
same
principles
can
be
used
here
as
well,
though
I
I,
the
the
motion
from
counselor
dudas,
is
warranted.
I
I
still
think
that
you
know
this
Grant.
AH
This
money
would
be
better
spent,
obviously
elsewhere
and,
as
I
said
untaxed
money
is,
is
revenue
lost,
regardless
of
how
you
spin
it?
You
know
and
I
mean
we
just
heard
from
the
city
treasurer
earlier,
how
much
we
are
hurting
when
it
comes
to
Transit
by
voting
in
favor
of
this
property
tax,
you're,
essentially
telling
residents
of
the
city
of
Ottawa
that
giving
Germain
hotels
a
benefit
is
more
important
than
finding
a
critical
funding,
a
critical
service
rather
like
Transit.
AH
According
to
the
report,
a
CIP
is
an
economic
development
tool
which
allows
a
municipality
to
provide
Financial
incentives
directly
to
Property
Owners,
to
simulate
new
development,
Redevelopment
or
other
property
upgrades.
Why,
then,
for
example,
is
this
not
being
used
to
further
to
further
the
development
of
new,
affordable
housing
instead
of
a
luxury
hotel?
The
city
has
a
CIP
specifically
for
affordable
housing.
Why
not
do
that
in
this
area?
AH
And
you
know,
and
to
the
mayor's
point
on
on
his
recent
comments
on
Twitter
also
rightfully
so
you
know
said
that
sips
should
be
used
for
portable
housing,
for
example,
you
know
why
prioritize
ensuring
that
a
private
Corporation
saves
as
much
money
as
possible,
because
this
is
not
about
ensuring
this
project
moves
forward.
We
know
that
this
sip
Grant
is
not
necessary
for
the
advancement
of
this
project.
I
mean
we
just
heard
from
previous
delegate.
The
first
delegate
I
believe
that
this
project
is
shovel
ready.
AH
I'll
give
credit
where
credit
is
due
I'm
glad
the
mayor
is
now
opposing
this
project
and
I
hope
he
brings
the
same
principle
to
using
public
funding
for
a
certain
Arena.
But
that's
another
conversation.
For
another
day
again,
this
grant
or
incentive
doesn't
seem
like
it's
needed
for
the
project
to
move
forward.
The
money
the
city
would
be
making
in
labor
in
permits,
et
cetera,
as
the
staff
presentation
was
talking
about,
will
be
made
anyways
regardless.
AH
K
E
K
I'm
ready
to
go
ahead,
so
I
am
speaking
today
against
this
proposal.
I
see
it
as
a
lose
lose
proposition.
It
is
a
lose
for
the
hotel
in
that
you're,
not
listening
to
your
financial
stuff
and
following
the
directions
of
your
board.
If
13
million
dollars
is
the
make
or
break
on
this
project,
I
suspect
that
for
far
less
than
13
million
you
could
move
to
a
site
farther
from
the
hotel,
where
you
don't
need
to
do
all
the
insulation
and
provide
a
luxury
limo
service
to
the
hotel
to
the
airport.
K
It
is
a
lose
for
the
airport
Authority,
because
hotels
aren't
what
change
an
airport
into
a
hub.
The
amenities
that
attract
airlines
are
things
like
handling
baggage,
better,
reducing
gate
time.
That's
where
airport
Airlines
lose
money,
so
the
more
that
Pearson
makes
it
difficult
to
do
connecting
flights
domestically.
That's
the
pitch
for
becoming
the
Toronto
domestic
airport,
even
though
we're
way
over
here
in
Ottawa
with
High-Speed
Rail
we're
much
closer
to
those
two
big
airports.
Instead
of
investing
in
a
Toronto
East
Ottawa
is
well
positioned
to
be
a
Canadian
domestic
hub.
K
Not
so
much.
We
don't
have
the
market
for
an
international
Hub,
so
if
you're
going
to
invest
in
an
amenity,
it's
not
a
hotel.
That's
going
to
attract
an
airline,
it's
facilities
in
the
airport,
under
your
Authority
that
reduce
their
costs
of
doing
connecting
flights
via
Ottawa
instead
of
Pearson,
and
that's
how
you
need
to
attack
that
for
the
city,
this
is
a
loss,
because
this
isn't
going
to
be
a
Landmark
Hotel.
It's
currently
designed
as
a
box.
K
It's
not
going
to
be
visually
striking
from
the
air
when
you
head
to
an
airport,
you
don't
take
a
look
at
the
architecture
of
the
airport
buildings
you're
generally
focused
on
traveling
in
or
out
since
we
are
not
currently
a
hub,
we're
not
going
to
see
great
occupancy
in
this
hotel.
People
don't
choose
the
expensive
hotel
when
there
are
four
or
five
cheaper
hotels
in
the
area
that
are
quite
easy
to
get
to
the
airport.
K
So
my
question
is:
are
we
going
to
see
the
occupancy
rates
that
guarantee
you
get
a
return
from
the
tax
in
the
end,
because
the
worst
Landmark
we
could
have
would
be
a
hotel
that
has
changed
hands
four
times
in
10
years
and
is
still
struggling
or
is
only
partially
open?
If
we
want
to
have
an
amenity
that
attracts
people
to
the
area
and
brings
in
money
to
the
airport,
probably
destination
shopping
would
have
been
a
better
choice.
K
If
you
put
an
outlet
mall
there,
lots
of
people
would
go
and
that
would
bring
money
to
the
airport.
It
doesn't
attract
visitors,
but
the
point
here
is
to
increase
your
tax
revenues
and
that
involves
having
something
that's
fully
occupied
and
if
you
want
the
additional
benefits
for
other
people,
put
something
that's
more
useful
to
Residents
there.
K
Please
don't
go
ahead
with
this:
it's
not
something
we
need
now
park
it
for
five
years
for
when
airports
have
recovered
and
there's
a
need
for
this.
It's
just
the
wrong
amenity.
It
meets
the
criteria
of
the
program,
but
the
hotel
and
the
airport
should
have
gone
around
councilor's
role
wrote
to
confirm
that
there
is
interest
in
proceeding
with
a
hotel.
K
B
AD
AD
So
any
assertion
that
this
is
a
luxury
hotel
is
relative
at
best
and
ramped
up
rhetoric
at
the
in
the
worst
frankly,
air
travel
itself
is
a
luxury,
but
it's
a
luxury
that
pumps,
millions
of
dollars
into
our
economy,
stimulating
businesses
and
allowing
for
expansion
and
providing
for
increases
in
property.
Taxes
that
allow
us
to
better
serve
our
residents
of
the
city,
including
our
most
vulnerable.
Tourism,
supports
local
businesses
and
when
local
businesses
are
supported,
local
families
are
supported
and
much
more
tax
revenue
is
collected.
We
passed
this
program
seven
months
ago.
AD
AD
The
city
is
up
3.7
million
dollars
in
permits
and
fees,
something
that
doesn't
provide
any
value
to
anybody
in
the
city,
but
we
get
that
tax.
We
get
that
revenue
and
4.4
million
dollars
over
the
life
of
the
agreement,
This
Is
50,
new
jobs
in
our
city,
50
new
jobs.
We
heard
today
that
we'd
like
to
see
different
businesses
apply
for
the
CIP,
but
why
would
anyone
in
their
right
mind
apply
for
this?
If
we
shut
down
the
first
application
that
comes
in
front
of
us?
AD
What
message
does
that
send
when
we
have
an
applicant
that
meets
every
single
criteria
and
we
deny
them?
This
is
a
winning
policy
for
the
city.
It
helps
the
airport
do
the
work
it
needs
to
do
to
attract
more
carriers,
reducing
the
cost
of
air
travel
and
frustration
for
residents
and
those
visiting
our
city,
and
we
heard
today
that
you
know,
depending
on
how
many
more
people
come
through
the
city.
You
know
we
could
see
major
tax
uplift
for
the
city
as
well.
Our
staff
are
incredibly
intelligent.
X
Mr
Mayor
and
thank
you
for
your
question.
We
haven't
done
a
specific
economic
impact
assessment
on
what
the
impact
would
be
in
that
hotel.
I
think
that
we
have
heard
from
the
airport
and
Mr
jamae
and
Ottawa
tourism
that
there
certainly
is
capacity
within
the
market.
Jermaine
would
not
be
moving
forward
or
considering
contemplating
an
investment
in
a
new
hotel
if
there
wasn't
capacity
available,
I
think
that
their
product
will
stand
out
and
it
is
specifically
attached
to
the
terminal.
X
So
it
creates
an
opportunity
that
doesn't
currently
exist
in
the
market
and
with
the
growth
in
air
passenger
volumes
over
time.
It
will
create
additional
demand.
I
fully
expect
if
the
airport
is
correct
in
their
assessment
of
what
growth
will
happen
in
passenger
volume,
that
we
may
see
other
airport
development
in
and
around
the
airport
lands.
T
X
When
the
airport
CIP
was
developed
and
given
the
nature
of
the
types
of
developments,
we're
hoping
to
attract
to
build
out
the
airport,
District
excuse
me
as
a
special
economic
District.
We
felt
the
order
of
magnitude
of
the
grant
up
to
25
million
and
the
the
period
of
time
25
years
made
sense.
In
that
context,
the
other
cips
that
we
have
available
the
integrated
Orleans
CIP,
the
Montreal
Road
CIP.
X
T
T
X
Is
development
Mr
Mayor?
Thank
you
for
the
question.
There
is
development
obviously
happening
all
across
the
city.
The
community
Improvement
plan
program
provides
directed
targeted
incentives
for
specific
purpose
in
the
in
the
in
the
example
of
Montreal
Road
for
and
and
integrated
Orleans.
It's
for
urban
renewal
property
upgrades
Redevelopment
for
the
airport.
It's
to
drive
new
development
to
facilitate
creation
of
new
Revenue
income
for
the
airport
to
allow
them
to
pursue
airport
operations,
passenger
experience,
but
most
significantly
new
Airline
service
development.
Getting
those
new
Airline
routes
to
the
city
would.
X
X
I
think
you've
heard
from
both
the
airport
and
from
Germain
that
the
it
would
be
called
into
into
question
I,
don't
speak
for
Germaine
hotels
or
or
their
investors
or
what
would
be
required
in
terms
of
their
threshold
for
return
on
investment,
but
I
suspect
that
any
any
future
investment
in
a
hotel,
certainly
in
the
immediate
term,
would
be
called
into
questions.
Yeah.
U
If
I
can
just
jump
in
for
a
second,
we
also
have
to
recall
just
with
respect
to
that
is
that
the
official
plan
did
establish
this
as
a
special
economic
District
within
the
official
plan
in
terms
of
the
policies
Council.
Actually
Council
directed
us
to
look
for
ways
in
which
we
might
incentivize
the
development
of
that
special
economic
District.
That
report
in
terms
of
bringing
forward
that
CIP
plan
was
part
of
the
basket
of
tools
or
the
programs
that
stock
brought
forward
and
how
to
realize
that
economic
District.
U
So
those
are
decisions
that
have
been
made
that
have
led
us
to
this
point.
It's
not
a
question
about
whether
or
not
staff
are
the
perspective
of
whether
or
not
this
would
succeed
or
not.
The
program
as
it
is,
has
been
provided
as
an
incentive
mechanism
under
Section
28
of
the
planning
act,
which
is
a
program
that
is
available,
and
the
intent
of
that
is
to
stimulate
that
investment
and
supportively
policy
for
realizing
the
airport
as
a
special
economy.
T
And
that
includes
a
committee
and
Council
vote
as
part
of
that
as
part
of
that
process.
That
is
correct,
counselor
and
I.
Just
wonder
if,
if
we
are
really
talking
about
this
as
sort
of
found
money
or
new
money,
why
wouldn't
we
offer
sips
everywhere
in
the
city
we
could
have
so
much
new
money
because
of
the
sips.
Everyone
said
understand
why
we
don't
operate
for
every
single
new
development.
If
we're
talking
about
tax
increment
financing,
why
doesn't
every?
T
U
Oh
counselor
I
would
say
that
that's
a
that's
a
choice
the
council
can
make
certainly
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
opportunities
that
Council
has
to
provide
any
kind
of
incentive
across
the
city.
There
are
very
few
tools
that
are
available.
One
of
those
tools
is,
of
course
through
Section
28
of
the
planning
act
or
the
community
Improvement
plan.
We
have
cips
that
are
in
certain
strategic
areas
where
Council
has
directed
and
interest
in,
seeing
revitalization
or
investment
in
that
that
is
council's
decision,
whether
or
not
they
would
like
to
apply
that.
T
T
I
did
just
want
to
mention
that
we
did
receive
a
letter
from
agarolls
and
I
believe
the
delegation
I
knew
that
was
going
to
be
here
and
they
expressed
the
following.
No
taxpayer
dollars
have
been
granted
to
the
four
airport:
hotels,
Homewood,
Suites
and
Hampton
Inn
by
Hilton
Auto,
Airport,
Holiday,
Inn,
Express
and
Residence
Inn,
Marriott
Auto
airport,
with
development
costs
of
greater
or
equal
value
to
that
of
germane,
hotels
of
which
we
are
partners.
T
The
building
of
this
new
hotel
will
create
competition
and
inevitably
erode
our
property's
market
share.
For
this
we
take
no
issue
that
is
representative
of
the
market
economy
which
we
choose
to
operate.
Obviously
we
take
considerable
exception
to
being
obliged
to
pay
for
any
portion
of
this
ill
thought
out:
tax
relief
program
which
they
call
absurd,
and
so
I
guess
mayor.
It
is
important
to
consider
that
this
is
real
dollars.
This
is
tax
per
dollars
over
time.
That's
what
this
is,
and
indeed
all
sips
our
taxpayer
dollars
over
time.
T
It's
not
just
found
money
or
free
money.
This
is
money
that
we
expend
as
a
city
to
Grant
to
offer
grants
and
so
I
think
the
principle
that
we're
operating
on
these
programs
obviously
is
being
reviewed
now,
thank
goodness,
but
on
this
one
I
just
don't
see
the
incentive
of
creating
a
whole
bunch
of
new
flights
that
are
going
to
justify
I
think
what
would
be
a
minor
increase
in
pills
in
this
case.
T
So
I'll
be
running
against
it
and
in
terms
of
the
counselor
dudas's
motion,
I
appreciate
the
the
motion
and
I
know
we
saw
similar
ones
in
the
past,
I
guess
I,
don't
think
we
should
be
dictating
site-by-site
taxes
in
this
way
right
if
every
development
comes
forward
and
say:
okay
25
of
this
development,
only
on
this
one,
that's
going
for
affordable
housing,
I
think
that's
a
job
for
Council
strategic
priorities.
That's
a
job
for
our
budget
setting
exercise!
That's
a
job
for
issue
reports
to
committee.
It's
not
a
job
for
each
individual
development.
T
N
Thank
you.
We've
been
spending
a
lot
of
time
today
debating
the
viability
of
the
CIP
as
a
program
rather
than
looking
at
the
report
in
front
of
us
and
what's
in
front
of
us
and
I
know,
people
want
to
have
that
discussion,
but
we
did.
We
did
go
over
this
less
than
a
year
ago,
when
we
approved
the
CIP,
we
did
have
a
20
to
4
EA
vote
at
city
council.
We
did
have
strong
support
from
invest,
Ottawa,
Ottawa
tourism,
Board
of
Trade
the
bias,
and
they
continue
their
support.
N
X
N
Council
did
approve
in
December
a
review
of
cips,
but,
despite
that,
any
cips
in
progress
in
any
new
cips
of
command
are
still
being
considered
and
are
still
progressing.
Is
that
correct?
That
is
correct?
Okay,
if
I'm
looking
at
the
report,
there's
three
criteria
for
cips
for
an
applicant.
They
need
to
have
a
pre-consultation.
They
need
to
submit
a
document
outlining
the
details
of
the
proposal
and
they
need
to
prepare
a
tax
study
so
that
you
can
estimate
the
tax
increase.
That's
correct
that.
N
So
there's
no
requirement
that
they
have
to
prove
they
need
this
grant
in
order
to
build,
there's
no
requirement
of
a
broader
economic
study
to
say
that
they
won't
be
competing
with
other
hotels
in
the
region.
It's
it's
just
those
three
requirements
that
is
correct
and
in
staff's
opinion
the
applicant
has
met
those
three
requirements.
X
N
It
goes
back
to
Ottawa
tourism
to
attract
even
more
people
and
all
of
this
through
a
self-funded
program
with
zero
Financial
Risk
to
the
city.
That's
a
pretty
incredible
deal
when
I
was
a
kid
one
of
my
favorite
Christmas
presents
was
a
board
game
called
hotels.
It's
a
lot
like
Monopoly
and
the
the
difference
there
was
before
you
got
to
build
your
hotel.
Even
if
you
had
all
the
money
you
needed
to
build
it,
you
had
to
roll
a
dice
and
there
were
green
dots
and
there
were
red
dots.
N
If
you
got
a
green,
you
could
build
the
hotel
if
you
got
a
red.
No,
you
can't
build
it,
so
those
are
the
rules
in
that
game.
We've
set
up
rules
through
the
CIP
and
now
we're
telling
this
applicant
to
roll
the
dice
it's
fun
for
a
board
game,
but
it's
a
horrible
way
to
do.
Economic,
Development
and
city
building,
so
I'm
going
to
support
this
application
and
encourage
committee
members
and
council
do
the
same
thanks.
Thank.
AI
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
and
I'm
not
going
to
roll
the
dice
like
Council
Agoura,
but
I
appreciate
that
I'm
always
you
but
I
also
like
to
highlight
my
my
comment
on
this
CIP,
even
though
most
of
you
know,
I
will
support
CIP
Grant
in
the
city
of
Ottawa
and
probably
last
year.
I
did
the
supporter
at
Council,
but
today,
I,
I,
probably
I,
have
a
little
I
won't
be
able
to
support
the
CIP
for
multiple
reasons
and
not
the
same
reason
that
some
of
the
delegates
highlighted
or
mentioned.
AI
Unfortunately,
at
the
recent
transportation
meeting,
the
committee
voted
to
defer
the
airport
Parkway
widening
until
the
transportation
master
plan
is
completed,
also
to
see
if,
after
the
Trillium
line
is
operational
for
two
years.
This
is
that
was
a
political
motion
to
move
it
to
go
to
the
re-prioritize.
The
road
and
I
find
it
a
little
ironic
that
after
we
decide
to
delay
the
airport
Parkway,
now
we
are
going
to
vote
to
support
a
hotel
Grant.
These
two
projects
would
have
supported
each
other
and
should
have
gone
gone
hand
in
hand
I.
AI
You
know
we
always
build
things
backwards
in
the
city,
and
we've
been
hearing
from
our
resin
our
community,
that
we
always
build
the
the
homes
and
the
subdivisions
and
hotels.
Then
we
try
to
put
the
road
so
for
that
reason,
I
I
will
not
be
able
to
support
this
and
I
need.
The
city
need
to
start
realizing
that
we
need
to
build
things
properly
and
also
I
understand.
AI
There
is
some
of
the
delegation
realizing
and
highlighting
that
no
there
is,
there
is
a
game
for
the
city
for
four
million
and
I
do
understand
that
there
is
also
30
million
dollar
investment
in
local
Supply
and
supplies
and
and
construction
and
contractor,
but
unfortunately
I'm
looking
forward
in
the
next
next
application
or
next
time.
We
have
an
issue
like
that.
To
think
about.
Our
infrastructure
is
our
road.
Before
we
start
planning
on
building.
This
is
a
G7
City,
a
country,
and
we
have
an
airport
Parkway
that
you
you'll,
be.
AI
You
won't
be
proud,
driving
it
at
night
or
in
the
morning
to
go
from
downtown
to
the
to
the
airport.
These
are
where
we
need
to
concentrate
and
focus,
and
this
is
where
I'm
disappointed.
Also
the
airport
Authority
didn't
even
realize,
and
even
come
to
the
to
the
Committees,
a
transportation
committee
to
defend
those
those
Investments
that
we're
doing
in
our
city,
for
that
Mr,
Mayor
I
will
not
be
able
to
support
the
application.
Thank
you.
L
R
U
A
mayor
there's
there's
a
number
of
packages
that
are
included
within
the
permits
and
fees.
Of
course,
when
an
application
comes
in
through
the
door,
they
have
to
pay
for
the
site
plan,
control
application
for
any
other
processing
and
application
development
review
is
a
self-funding,
so
those
fees
go
in
through
that
piece
building
permits
as
well.
There
is
a
cost
associated
with
the
building
permit
associated
with
all
of
those
things.
Legal
agreements,
all
of
those
other
pieces
that
are
part
of
just
the
apparatus
of
of
getting
an
application
through
the
city.
U
Part
of
that
as
well,
is
also
development
charges,
so
the
development
charges
portion
of
this
would
be
is
actually
a
fairly
substantial
portion
of
it.
We
don't
have
the
exact
number
on
hand
right
now,
but
it's
generally,
you
know,
somewhere
on
the
order
of
60
to
70
percent
of
the
total
kind
of
fee
package
that
someone
ends
up
paying
for
those
things.
U
U
Mr
Mayor,
the
that
number
is
actually
is,
is
flows
over
time.
So
there
is
a
an
initial
starting
value
of
around
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
so
that
it
would
start
upon
initial
construction
and
then,
as
that
development
flows
over
time,
that
tax
dollar
would
change
Chris
did
you
want
to
go
into
a
little
bit
more
detail.
W
L
X
No,
we
would
not
have
any
level
of
detail
on
that.
I
think
that
was
part
of
discussion
with
one
of
our
with
one
of
our
delegations.
I
believe
the
airport
highlighted
that
many
of
the
municipal
services
that
are
required
at
the
airport
are
sort
of
bought
and
paid
for
by
the
airport,
and
that
service
would
then
be
extended
to
all
of
the
amenities
that
operate
at
the
airport.
U
Just
to
again
just
to
supplement
that
as
well,
the
development
charges
portion
of
this
would
be
with
respect
to
the
benefit
to
growth
pieces
that
are
calculated
as
part
of
that
infrastructure
and
Roads
plans.
So
in
terms
of
the
services
packages
that
are
anything
that
is
necessary
in
terms
of
that
expansion
of
services
that
are
required
to
support
General
growth
in
that
area.
Those
are
included
within
the
development
charges
package
that
the
applicant
would
be
paying.
L
E
L
L
L
We
have
a
lot
of
pressing
needs.
Councilor
Gower
spoke
to
the
need
on
the
the
transit
hole
that
we
have.
13
million
dollars
is
a
lot
of
tax
revenue
to
forego
for
what
I
think
is
a
hotel
that
would
be
built
anyways
the
big,
the
big
increase
in
property
value.
We
don't
benefit
from
that
for
another
25
years
by
which
time
I
don't
think
anyone
around
this
table
would
deny
that
that
hotel
would
have
been
built.
L
L
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
I
think
staff
have
made
the
correct
recommendation.
They
check
the
boxes,
but
the
final
box
is
Council
approval
and
you've
got
a
responsibility
to
be
responsible
stewards
of
residence
taxpayer
money
you've
got
a
responsibility
to
ensure
that
we
are
spending
money
on
the
priorities
that
the
residents
of
Ottawa
have
told
us
they
have,
and
this
isn't
one
of
them.
Council.
L
L
We
establish
a
budget
that
establishes
that
x
amount
of
our
budget
x
amount
of
tax
revenue
is
going
to
go
into
these
big
broad
category
areas
and
if
we
start
going
down
the
path
of
trying
to
slice
and
dice
that
the
property
taxes
from
this
are
going
to
go
to
that
pretty
soon
we're
going
down
the
path
of
pitting
neighborhoods
against
each
other.
To
say
this
neighborhood's
taxes
are
going
to
go
into
that
neighborhood's
priorities
that
neighborhoods
this
stakeholders
groups.
Taxes
are
going
to
go
into
this
priority.
L
AB
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
just
touch
on
some
comments
by
my
colleague,
counselor
Drewes,
with
regard
to
the
airport,
Parkway
and
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
we
are
still
making
investments
in
infrastructure
to
the
airport
and
a
major
investment
at
that
with
our
Spurling
for
stage
two.
So
just
wanted
to
note
that
my
second
point
is
is
on
councilor
gowers
comments
with
regard
to
the
discussion
around
whether
or
not
cips
are
a
value
or
not
and
I.
You
know.
AB
I
certainly
welcome
the
mayor's
review
on
this,
and
certainly
when
we
have
major
programs
like
this
I
think
it's
always
smart
to
check
in
to
ensure
that
there's
a
good
return
on
investment
for
taxpayers.
I
think
my
focus
really
has
been
on
this
application
in
particular,
and
whether
or
not
this
is
the
right
application
under
this
program
that
we
expected
to
see
the
criteria
that
the
previous
Council
approved
was
extremely
vague
and
I.
AB
Think
the
fact
that
we
did
not
delegate
the
authority
of
the
previous
council
did
not
delegate
the
authority
to
staff
speaks
to
the
fact
that
we
wanted
to
take
a
critical
eye
to
each
application
to
ensure
that
it
it
had
value.
I,
guess
my
question
to
staff
here
with
the
vague
criteria,
for
example,
a
restaurant
might
be
an
amenity
that
would
be
a
value
to
passengers
coming
in
and
out
of
the
airport.
Would
a
restaurant
qualify
for
a
grant
under
this
program.
X
There's
a
requirement
to
generate
an
increase
in
in
assessment
and
there's
a
threshold
on
the
assessment
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
Thank
you,
250
000
threshold.
So
if
a
restaurant
on
a
piece
of
land
could
increase
the
assessment
on
that
site
by
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars,
they
they
would
qualify
as
an
applicant.
AB
Thank
you
very
much
for
that,
and
so
perhaps
a
singular
restaurant
might
not
meet
that
threshold,
but
a
plaza
of
restaurants
might
and
I.
Guess,
that's
just
to
speak
to
how
vague
this
criteria
really
is
and
what
what
would
support
an
aviation
use,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point
that,
while
it
meets
all
of
the
criteria,
is
it
the
right
business
that
we
want
to
incentivize
at
the
airport?
AB
In
the
staff
presentation
it
was
mentioned
that
in
pre-pandemic
there
were
a
number
of
applications
that
came
forward
on
Airport
land
and
I
just
want
to
know
if
you
could
speak
to
what
type
of
applications
those
were
so
that
we
could
maybe
have
some
foresight
in
what
we
could
expect
to
see.
Come
back
under
this
program.
X
Mr
Mayor,
thank
you
for
the
question.
The
the
staff
presentation
didn't
specifically
identify
applications.
It
alluded
to
projects
and
conversations
that
had
been
ongoing
with
the
airport.
Pre-Pandemic
I
think
made
a
a
good
presentation
and
indicated
that
they
are
constantly
looking
for
opportunities
to
develop
the
airport
proper
to
generate
new
lease
Revenue.
So
part
of
the
ongoing
narrative
in
our
discussions
with
the
airport
over
time
have
been
about
those
ongoing
conversations
and
efforts
to
attract
new
development.
This
is
the
first
specific
application
under
the
airport
CIP
program.
X
X
AB
Thank
you
I
recall
from
the
previous
Council
on
discussions
about
the
CIP
that
that
the
only
other
example
of
a
CIP
around
an
airport
was
in
Thunder,
Bay
and
I'm,
just
wondering
if
staff
have
have
looked
to
that
example,
because
I
think
it
was
established
back
in
2019,
so
it
was
even
pandemic.
What
type
of
applications
they've
received
if
they've
seen
any
success,
what
metrics
they're
using
to
measure
that
success
that
we
could
maybe
look
or
at
least
explain
what
benefits
we
could
expect
to
see
out
of
this
program
here.
X
We
did
do
some
investigation.
Actually,
my
colleague
Chris
did
some
investigation
with
the
Thunder
Bay
airport
in
the
preparation
of
the
airport
CIP
staff
report.
We
certainly
have
not
engaged
with
them
since
that
staff
report
was
brought
forward
in
and
approved
in
July
of
last
year
they
had
had
some
moderate
marginal
I
would
say
marginal
success,
better
word
than
moderate
success
with
their
program.
X
However,
I
don't
think
we
can
compare
the
Thunder
Bay
airport
to
the
Ottawa
International
Airport,
so
certainly
the
expectations
and
the
objectives
that
we're
trying
to
achieve
related
to
this
CIP
are
dramatically
different
and
with
respect
to
the
idea
of
a
hotel
as
a
first
application,
I
think
we're
fixated
a
little
bit
on
the
idea
that
it's
a
hotel.
It
could
be
any
type
of
development,
that's
going
to
create
jobs
and
Economic
Opportunity
direct
indirect
and
induced
economic
benefits.
It
just
happens
that
the
first
application
is
a
hotel.
AB
You
know
I
appreciate
that
and
I
don't
think
anyone's
arguing
the
benefit
of
development
in
our
city.
It's,
whether
or
not
it
requires
a
subsidy
of
taxpayers.
That
I
think.
That's
that's
the
question.
That's
the
question
that
I'm
struggling
with
is,
of
course,
we're
going
to
see
economic
benefit
from
any
development
that
occurs
in
the
city.
It's
whether
or
not
we
need
to
subsidize
that
development,
and
you
know
well
we're
fixated
on
a
hotel.
AB
It's
because
that's
the
application,
that's
in
in
front
of
this
committee
today
it's
for
a
hotel
and
the
jobs
that
come
from
that
you
know.
Maybe
those
aren't
the
jobs
that
we're
looking
to
attract
in
this
market,
that
we're
already
seeing
it's
very
difficult
to
find
that
type
of
Labor
right
now
we're
seeing
it
within
our
own
City
departments.
We
can't
keep
our
libraries
open
long
enough.
We
can't
find
you
know
workers
in
our
Recreation
facilities
right
now,
so
those
types
of
jobs
are
maybe
not
necessarily
the
jobs.
AB
U
Mr
Mayor
in
terms
of
the
evaluation
that
would
be
the
subject
for
the
future
DC
bylaw
review
that
will
be
coming
place
next
year.
Dc
bylaw
as
a
whole
is
impacted,
of
course,
by
Bill
23
and
the
changes
the
legislation
of
the
changes,
development
charges,
act
that
will
have
to
be
pursuant
to
the
infrastructure
master
plan.
U
The
transportation
master
plan
that
will
be
coming
to
council
later
this
year
will
also
be
laying
out,
however,
capital
projects
that
are
associated
with
that
the
DC
bylaw
would
be
updated
with
any
costs
that
are
flowing
from
the
infrastructure
or
master
plan,
then
we
would
then
apply
whatever
changes
that
the
province
might
be
imposing
with
respect
to
the
bill.
23
legislation.
AB
AJ
They
have
National
provincial
and
Municipal
Financial
significance,
and
you
know,
speaking
from
the
Canada
North
Tech
Park.
You
know
you
see
the
attention
to
it
by
the
federal
government
by
the
provincial
government
and
buy
us
with
the
Nokia
development
to
start
and
more
to
continue,
but
that
Canada
North
Tech
Park
brings
in
13
billion
of
Canada's
GDP
13
billion
I.
AJ
That
person
goes
to
the
room
drops
off.
Their
bags
gets
on.
Our
LRT
takes
the
LRT
North,
then
West
to
Moody
or
eagleson,
when
we
have
stage
three
and
then
and
gets
on
an
autonomous
vehicle
shuttle
also
from
the
technology
from
the
tech
Park
and
goes
to
work
and
or
that
employee
that
is
from
any
country
in
the
world.
AJ
You
name
the
countries
and
they
are
represented
in
the
tech
Park
not
only
by
the
companies
by
the
but
the
employees
who
want
to
come
to
live
in
Ottawa
for
many
reasons,
but
one
of
them
being
that
we
have
a
flight
back
to
their
Homeland,
where
they
can
go
visit
their
relatives.
It
was
funny
listening
to
the
airport
manager
there
saying
you're
killing
me
I,
get
that
all
the
time
in
the
tech
Park
Kathy
is
killing
me.
We
don't
have
a
flight
to
Silicon
Valley.
AJ
How
crazy
is
that
we
have
the
largest
tech
Park
in
Canada,
and
we
are
second
in
North
America,
because
the
other
one
is
Silicon
Valley
and
we
can't
get
a
flight
to
Silicon
Valley
and
our
employees
can't
get
a
flight
home
easily.
The
route
cannot
be
from
Qatar.
Doha
cannot
be
to
Frankfurt,
then
to
New
York,
then
to
Montreal,
then
to
Ottawa.
It
can't
be
it's
craziness,
so
we
have
to
have
a
hub
airport,
and
this
is
the
start
of
it.
AJ
This
is
the
virtuous
circle
that
I
talked
about
the
other
day
that
once
you
do
this,
you
bring
about
a
climate
around
your
airport.
That
ensures
people
realize
this
is
an
International
Airport.
This
is
a
city
that
is
welcoming
international
business.
Just
so
you
know.
Within
the
last
few
years
the
income
to
the
tech
park
has
been
90
percent
international
business
International.
AJ
Yet
we
have
a
provincial
Airport,
an
airport,
that
you
know
you
go
to
Halifax
and
I
love
Halifax,
but
we
need
to
have
an
airport
that
has
direct
flights,
and
this
is
how
you
build
it.
You
build
it
and
they
will
come.
That's
sort
of
the
message
you
know
I
hear
some
of
you
saying,
but
I
think
I
think
it'll
happen
anyway.
That
I
don't
know
that
we
can
do
that.
Crystal
balling.
The
time
is
now
I
think
that
was
in
many
of
the
submissions
the
times
now,
not
some
date
in
the
future.
AJ
That
is
unknown.
You
know
I,
don't
like
to
use
these
hokey
sayings,
but
a
bird
in
the
hand
is
better
than
two
in
the
bush.
You
know
we
have
this
opportunity
now
that
we
set
up,
we
laid
out
all
the
criteria
and
really
the
income
in
so
many
ways
that
has
been
listed
here
today
by
so
many
is,
is
multiple
to
the
city,
the
amount
of
money
this
will
bring
into
this
city
in
so
many
different
ways.
AJ
It's
such
an
asset
that
we
could
have
here,
and
you
know
I-
think
I'm
thankful
to
my
Council
colleagues
that
have
come
out
to
the
tech
Park
Tech
Tuesdays
is
tonight.
If
anybody
you
want
to
come,
you
can
see.
What's
going
on
out
there
I
know
some
of
you
have
already
come
out
and
I
really
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
understand
what
the
special
economic
district
is
there,
but
I
think
that
this
is
the
start.
AJ
This
is
an
opportunity
we
may
not
get
for
a
long
time
and
I
would
really
encourage
you
to
support
this
I
want
to
tell
you
that
so
much
of
why
I
am
so
pro-economic
development
I
was
sad
to
see
it
come
out
of
the
title
of
this
committee.
Actually
I'm
so
pro-economic
development,
because
when
all
of
the
income
comes
into
this
country,
Province
City,
then
we
have
more
tax
dollars
to
spend
on
affordable
housing
to
spend
on
getting
people
out
of
the
shelter
system.
AJ
All
of
that
is
where
that
money
can
come
from,
because
people
buy
houses,
they
pay
property
tax,
they
have
jobs,
they
pay
income.
Tax
economic
development
is
the
foundation
for
making
sure
you
have
housing
for
everyone.
The
two
are
so
intimately
connected
and
I
always
just
think
how
can
people
not
see
that
it
starts
with
economic
development?
And
this
is
one
of
those
tools.
AJ
O
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
I,
don't
have
any
questions
for
staff.
I
thought
your
presentation
was
great,
so
thank
you
and
I.
Think
several
of
the
delegations
and
and
now
my
colleagues
have
touched
on
a
lot
of
the
comments
I'd
like
to
offer,
but
I
I
think
they
bear
repeating,
because
there
has
been
a
narrative,
that's
been
creative
around
this
application
and
cips
in
general.
That
I
think
presents
information
in
a
misleading
way.
So
I
want
to
go
over
some
of
the
points
that
stuck
out
to
me.
O
O
You
heard
the
numbers
in
the
presentation:
counselor
Gower
repeated
them,
17.5
million
in
increased
Revenue
once
that
is
paid
in
full.
We
are
giving
the
hotel
a
portion
of
that
money
that
they
paid
back,
not
money.
You
paid
money
that
they
paid
and,
and
that's
the
incentive
of
building
in
this
specific
location
that
would
give
Revenue
to
the
airport
to
grow,
to
to
fulfill
the
vision
that
they've
laid
out.
It's
a
significant
investment
or
incentive,
but
the
airport
is
a
significant
economic
driver.
O
O
The
airport
needs
to
be
doing
well
financially
in
order
to
grow
their
business
without
non-aeronautical.
Revenue
like
this
Ottawa
won't
become
that
hub
for
connections.
We
heard
that
today,
but
again
beyond
all
of
that,
there
is
a
very
key
takeaway
as
to
why
the
city
would
have
a
vested
interest
in
helping
the
airport
rebound
from
the
pandemic,
and
this
is
something
that
I
did
not
know
before.
I
was
sitting
in
this
seat.
The
city
of
Ottawa
makes
money
off
of
each
passenger
that
lands
and
takes
off
from
our
Airport
and
I.
O
I
really
hope
that
that's
a
key
takeaway.
We
have
this
payment
structure
in
place
where
the
city
gets
money
per
passenger
over
over
a
dollar
per
head.
So
simply
put
the
airport's
success
is
the
city's
success
when
the
airport
makes
money
the
city
makes
money
and
if
you're
a
taxpayer,
that
means
if
the
airport
is
doing
well,
it
translates
into
investment.
There's
not
yours
into
our
city.
O
Pre-Pandemic,
the
2019
payment
in
lieu
of
taxes,
totaled
5.5
million
2021
during
the
pandemic,
1.4
million
73
percent
dis
decrease
in
revenue
for
our
city,
so
sure
the
hotel
might
get
built
sometime
in
the
next
25
years,
but
the
airport
needs
the
investment.
Now,
that's
why
we
created
the
CIP
and
until
they've
recovered.
O
We
as
a
city
are
making
less
money
as
well
a
hundred
million
dollars
in
Lost
Revenue
throughout
the
pandemic,
and
you
know
it's
certainly
not
the
only
business
or
industry
that
suffered
other,
but
other
mid-sized
cities
have
done
what
we're
being
accused
of
doing,
which
is
writing
a
check
to
assist
with
the
recovery.
You
heard
some
of
the
numbers-
Edmonton
10
million
Halifax
11
million
Winnipeg
5
million.
The
list
goes
on,
but
the
city
of
Ottawa.
We
said
we're
not
going
to
do.
O
We
don't
feel
comfortable
doing
that,
but
what
we
will
do
is
we'll
create
this
CIP
that
will
act
as
an
incentive
and
and
not
use
property
taxpayers
money,
but
we'll
instead,
the
companies
that
choose
to
invest
here
they
will
write
you
the
check
so
I'm,
probably
going
close
to
my
time
here,
but
last
July
a
vote
of
20
to
four.
We
approved
the
CIP
as
our
contribution
we
listed
21
permitted
uses
and
one
of
them
was
a
hotel.
O
So
if
we
had
a
problem
with
hotels
being
included
in
the
CIP,
why
did
we
pass
that
list?
Why
didn't
we
make
a
change
then
and
I
appreciate?
There's
a
lot
of
new
counselors
and
new
mayor
that
have
a
different
Vision
on
cips,
but
we
set
the
Rules
of
Engagement.
We
approve
the
criteria,
they've
complied
and
now
we
we're
going
to
say
we
have
a
change
of
heart.
You
know
I
I,
believe
in
cips
we
have
one
for
Orleans,
an
area
of
the
city
that
has
consistently
struggled
with
attracting
Economic,
Development
and
I.
O
Y
B
Y
E
Y
X
Mr
Mayor,
thank
you
for
the
question.
No
there's
no
Financial
Risk
to
the
city
other
than
opportunity.
Cost
Financial
Risk
of
not
proceeding
with
this
application,
sends
a
message
broadly
to
the
the
business
community
that
we're
not
in
the
economic
development
business
here
at
the
city
and
that
we
don't
see
value
in
capitalizing
on
the
opportunity
afforded
us
at
the
airport
as
a
special
economic
District.
Y
Y
What
this
is
is
we
have
two
options:
we've
got
an
option
where
we
can
approve
this
application
and
if
it
gets
built
and
it
proceeds,
then
we
see
we
reap
the
benefit
of
4.36
million
dollars
that
doesn't
even
bring
into
account
all
the
man
at
like
labor
hours
and
jobs
that
it's
going
to
create
I'm,
not
just
talking
about
in
the
hotel,
but
the
construction
of
it
that
doesn't
even
mention
about
the
3.7
million
dollars
in
city
permits
and
fees.
30
million
in
locally
supplied
materials
like
I
wrote
this
all
out.
Y
The
list
goes
on
councilor
Gower
mentioned
all
of
this.
That
doesn't
even
speak
to
this
we're
talking
about
4.36
million
dollars
that
doesn't
exist
for
us.
That
will
eventually
that's
just
sitting
there
and
there's
been
comments
about
foul
money.
It
doesn't
matter
how
we
categorize
it.
The
money
doesn't
exist
today
and
if
we
say
no
to
this
application,
it
might
not
ever
exist,
but
there
is
no
risk
to
us
if
we
say
yes,
so
I'm
kind
of
embarrassed
by
this
conversation
today,
I
really
am
because
we
are
a
nation's
capital.
Y
We
saw
value
in
cips
because
they
specifically
did
not
take
money
out
of
taxpayers
pockets.
They
were
new
money,
unfounded
money,
money
that
would
stimulate
a
project
to
the
point
of
starting
it
and
seeing
that
eventual
Revenue.
Now
there
is
no
third
option:
there's
no
17
million
that
we're
ever
going
to
get
it's
just
not
going
to
happen,
because
if
the
hotel
decides
not
to
build,
we
don't
see
that
money.
It
just
disappears.
Y
So
we're
talking
in
these
hypotheticals.
Where
there's
this
this
here,
this
there
we're
going
to
give
money.
We're
not
the
plain
fact
is:
we
have
two
options.
We
say
yes
and
we
receive
four
million
4.36
million,
plus
all
the
jobs,
all
the
additional
costs,
all
them
all
that
not
costs
revenues
that
we
will
see,
or
we
say
no,
we
get
nothing.
It
seems
like
such
an
easy
decision
to
me
that
It
embarrasses
me
we're
having
this
conversation
and
I
understand.
Y
People
have
their
feelings
on
this,
but
it
is
truly
feelings
because
when
you
put
the
logic
pen
to
paper-
and
you
listen
to
our
staff-
and
you
listen
to
all
the
delegations
who
have
come
out
or
have
written
to
us,
that's
what
they're
saying
that
they
need-
and
we
are
not
Market
experts-
we
don't
know
if
they
need
a
hotel
or
not.
We
have
feelings
that
we're
expressing
about
what
kind
of
business
belongs
there,
but
we
actually
listen
to
our
experts.
Y
Some
of
these
same
people
are
here
today
and
they
said
as
part
of
the
CIP
seven
months
ago,
a
hotel
would
stimulate
growth.
It
would
be
the
impetus
for
additional
economic
Boon
in
this
particular
area
and
I'll
just
quickly,
and
you
know
I'll
just
speak
to
my
motion.
You
know
once
again
a
comment
was
made.
I
don't
mean
to
be
calling
anybody
out,
but
slippery
slope
towards
designating
money
to
specific
items.
I
get
that
we've
done
it
before.
We
did
it
with
the
other
CIP.
Y
We
put
it
towards
affordable
housing
and
we
know
we
do
not
have
enough
housing
in
our
city,
and
we
know
that
we
have
people
who
are
in
Emergency
Shelters.
We
know
we
are
housing
them
in
our
recreation
centers
because
we
do
not
have
enough
homes
and
we
know
we
don't
have
the
money
right
now
to
fix
that
so
I'd
rather
be
on
this
slippery
slope.
Y
I
I'd
rather
say:
okay,
you
know
what
let's
designate
this
money
if
it
changes
in
a
future
Council
when
this
money
comes
in
and
then
that's
their
prerogative,
but
at
this
point
in
time,
there's
money
on
the
table
that
we
can
designate
to
helping
families
in
Emergency
Shelters
find
permanent
housing
to
me,
it's
a
no-brainer,
so
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I'm
supporting
this.
It's
probably
obvious
from
my
comments.
You
know,
I
respect
that
everybody
has
their
individuals.
Y
Opinions
on
this
I
hope
this
can
get
to
council
that
we
can
support
it
here
today,
so
it
can
get
to
council.
So
we
can
hear
all
the
other
Council
colleagues
who
are
not
here
who
are
not
able
to
speak
to
this,
because
we
won't
be
able
to
be
present.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have
this
discussion,
but
I
also
think
it's
important
that
we're
discussing
facts
and
not
fallacies
that
are
out
there
in
the
public,
because
our
public
are
smart
and
they
respect
honesty
and
they
respect
factual
information.
Y
B
B
X
B
B
B
B
Right
and
the
math
I'm
doing
there
and
sorry
for
bringing
math
into
this,
but
the
math
I'm
doing
is
that
if
we're
giving
a
75
percent
effectively
rebate
on
the
taxes
to
a
project
of
a
certain
size,
then
unless
new
development
doesn't
happen
for
75
percent
of
the
next
25
years,
if
it
happens
earlier
than
75
percent
of
25
years,
then
we
would
actually
collect
more
money
than
we
would
collect
from
this
from
this
project.
That.
X
B
B
I'm
not
arguing
with
staff
about
your
you
did
your
job
in
bringing
this
forward.
I'm
arguing
the
notion
that
this
is
found
money
that
we
would
never
ever
ever
receive
unless
we
said
yes
to
this
one
specific
project
today,
there
actually
are
lots
of
scenarios
where,
in
the
next
25
years,
some
type
of
development
could
happen
on
that
site
and
we
would
collect
a
hundred
percent
of
the
property
tax
revenue
from
it.
B
We
would
collect
property
tax
revenue
and
it
would
add
up
to
more
than
the
4.4
million
dollars
we're
going
to
collect
from
this.
So
it's
not
found
money.
So
I,
don't
you
know
I,
don't
accept
the
argument
that
this
is
all
new
revenue
and
therefore
we
can
spend
it.
However,
we
want
it
doesn't
cost
us
anything.
So
that's
one
of
my
objections.
AE
U
AE
B
AE
AE
AE
You
know
what,
if
that
businessman
from
Qatar
that
came
down
on
that
airplane.
You
know
four
years
from
now
to
the
cannot
attack
Park
reports
back
to
his
CEO
and
says
you
know
what
the
place
we
want.
Our
regional
headquarters
in
North
America
is
Ottawa
that
could
generate
a
fair
bit
of
money
in
the
Connecticut
Park
I.
AE
Don't
think
we
should
discount
that
what,
if,
as
well
in
terms
of
hedging
I,
think
the
the
core
of
this
issue
is
that
we
don't
know
the
future
and
it's
a
very
reasonable
proposition
that
in
five
or
ten
years
we
could
make
more
money
if
the
market
value.
If
the
market
system
works
and
a
hotel
comes
in,
but
we
don't
know
that,
maybe
it
won't
happen,
maybe
it
would
happen
in
two
years.
Maybe
it
won't
happen
at
all,
but
what
we
do
know
and
I
appreciate
the
burden
hand
argument.
AE
Is
we
have
the
opportunity
to
close
a
deal
or
to
get
close
enough
to
close
a
deal
right
now
that
will
be
a
winner
for
the
city
we
will
win.
We
will
end
up
ahead,
not
just
on
the
four
million
dollars
in
taxes
and
the
three
million
dollars
in
permitting
fees
and
such,
but
in
the
opportunities
that
we're
providing
our
airport
to
the
broader
City.
From
from
a
big
Vision
perspective,
what
are
we
trying
to
do
in
in
the
city?
I
appreciate
you
can't
get
to
a
hub
if
you
don't
grow.
AE
In
that
regard,
you
know,
maybe
businesses
will
see
the
the
profit
motive
and
an
opportunity
to
come
in
and
develop
an
airport
hotel
in
a
couple
years,
because
you
know
they
see
the
business
case,
but
they
may
also
look
at
this
and
say
you
know
the
city
of
Ottawa.
This
is
what
they
did
with
one
company
that
came
in
on
good
faith
under
a
program
that
the
City
built
in
order
to
incentivize
that
growth
and
we're
not
going
to
do
business
with
you.
AE
Think,
from
my
perspective,
could
we
potentially
you
know,
do
nothing
and
end
up
better
off
perhaps,
but
we
have
an
opportunity
to
put
our
hand
on
the
lever
and
push
it
knowing
that
we're
hedging
our
bet,
we
could
be
getting
more,
but
we
could
be
getting
a
lot
less
and
we
got
an
opportunity
for
a
win
right
now
and
I,
say:
I
think
the
win
is
worth
it
when
I
heard
all
of
the
advantages
that
that
the
delegations
gave.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
G
It's
many
years
away,
and
they
just
don't
like
to
see
this
grant
opportunity
being
used
for
this
specific
purpose.
When
we
have
identified
key
priorities
for
this
city
to
address
this
isn't
at
the
top
of
the
list
and
so
I
think
that's
some
of
the
frustration
with
my
residents
and
I
do
believe.
This
program
is
not
well
understood
and
I
think
the
communications
have
been
hijacked
and
I,
don't
think.
G
As
a
city,
we
do
a
good
job,
communicating
and
controlling
the
messaging
something
I've
said
over
and
over
and
over
again,
we've
heard
from
staff
today
that
they
do
agree
that
there'll
be
growth
at
the
airport.
That
demand
will
increase.
Mr
LaRoche
believes
two
million
passengers
over
five
years.
We
know
that
the
city
itself
is
going
to
increase
by
400
000
people
over
the
next
30
Years,
which
is
now
28
years
and
Eastern
Ontario
Western,
Quebec,
Northern,
New
York
will
continue
to
grow
as
well
and
feed
into
to
our
airport.
G
When
I
see
the
Ogdensburg
airport
at
the
Ottawa
travel
show
and
we're
not
there
when
I
see
other
airports
advertising
locally
and
we
are
not
celebrating
and
communicating
well
about
how
great
it
is
to
fly
out
of
our
own
airport,
a
modern
airport,
award-winning
airport,
where
We're
Not
tooting
our
own
horn
and
we're
letting
others
eat
our
lunch.
That's
an
issue
for
me.
We
need
to
do
better
in
in
celebrating
and
communicating
the
benefits
of
flying
out
of
Ottawa
Airport.
There
are
many
benefits
we
can't
ignore
rent.
G
We
have
to
follow
up
on
this,
the
taxes
that
are
paid
who
got
on
the
foreign
the
phone
and
called
the
CEO
of
WestJet
when
WestJet
said
we're
pulling
out
of
Ottawa
we're
gonna
have
one
fly
today
to
Toronto:
that's
absurd
for
an
airline
that
calls
itself
a
national
airline.
We
can't
let
that
happen
and
our
U.S
airlines
that
have
not
come
back.
We
have
just
a
pittance
of
U.S
flights,
so
I
think
the
main
issues
are
fair
and
direct
flights
that
attract
people
to
airports.
Yes,
the
overall
experience
is
important.
G
The
fact
that
we
have
a
Tim
Hortons
kiosk
and
not
a
real
Tim
Hortons
in
the
departure
area.
It
doesn't
make
sense
to
me-
and
there
are
some
other
takeaways
or
shortcomings
of
the
airport
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
today,
but
that
doesn't
take
away
from
my
decision
whether
I
fly
out
of
Auto
or
not,
especially
if
I
fly
with
my
kids,
it's
what
am
I
paying
and
can
I
get
there
directly,
because
covid
was
a
disaster
connecting
in
Pearson
and
people
try
to
avoid
at
all
costs
going
through
Pearson.
G
They
try
and
look
at
what
other
airlines
they
can
use
or
go
through
Montreal
or
other
it's
just
what
people
are
looking
at
now,
so
I
talk
about
fares,
because
the
research
I
read
when
these
new
low-cost
Airlines
opened
up
in
Canada.
Recently,
we've
seen
a
handful
of
Airlines
even
coming
out
of
ottawa's.
They
attracted
a
brand
new
type
of
Passenger
passengers
who
didn't
fly
the
same
frequency
or
maybe
chose
not
to
fly
at
all
because
they
couldn't
afford
it,
and
it
was
that
heavily
discounted
fare
that
attracted
new
people
to
the
industry.
G
That
I
think
is
something
that
can't
be
ignored
and
the
direct
flights
are
also
very
important.
Kathy
councilor
Curry
talked
about
Silicon
Valley.
It
reminds
me
when
Canadian
Airlines
offered
direct
flights
to
Rally
same
type
of
argument,
not
sustainable.
They
collapsed
over
a
short
period
of
time.
Those
direct
flights
I
think
a
huge
delegation
from
Ottawa
went
a
number
of
years
ago,
and
so
airlines
are
in
the
business
of
making
money
and
if
we
can't
sustain
those
flights,
they'll
never
come
to
Ottawa
and
I.
G
Think
that's
the
challenge
that
the
airport
has
is
to
prove
to
Airlines.
Here
Canada.
We
need
to
come
back
and
offer
that
London
flight.
Why
hasn't
British
Airways
filled
that
hole
they've,
because
they've
run
the
numbers
and
perhaps
it's
not
sustainable,
so
we
can
dream
about
Qatar
and
Asian
airlines
and
South
African
airlines
and
other
airlines
coming
to
Ottawa
or
right
now,
a
city
of
a
million
people
in
the
middle
of
two
major
Air
Canada
hubs,
and
so
Mr
Mirage
has
to
be
as
creative
as
he
can.
G
G
That
is
a
huge
discussion
that
continues
big
question
mark
there
so
anyway,
to
the
issue
before
us.
If,
if
counsel
does
not
approve
this,
we
have
to
make
a
statement
about
the
Sip
at
the
airport.
Is
this
something
we're
going
to
continue
on
the
books
or
are
we
going
to
pull
it
and
if
we
continue,
are
we
going
to
make
any
modifications
to
what
qualifies
as
an
application,
because
we
could
get
another
hotel
a
year
from
now
we
could
get
other
businesses.
G
So
if,
if
members
have
concerns
about
this
ZIP
or
businesses
that
we
would
like
to
Target,
then
I
think
some
work
is
needed
in
that
regard.
So
I
am
of
the
camp
that
if
this
grant
is
not
approved,
given
that
the
growth
projections
I
think
are
reasonable,
there
will
be
another
player
in
the
market
if
Jermaine
walks
away.
I
think
they'd
make
a
big
mistake,
because
I
think
they
can
make
money
here
even
without
the
Grant
I
think
the
demand
is,
there
I
think
they
know
they're
offering
a
niche
product.
G
They
have
a
golden
opportunity
to
build
at
the
terminal
with
the
walkway
and
I
think
they
can
be
sustainable
on
their
own
without
the
grants
and
even
if
they
choose
not
to
then
there
will
be
future
opportunities.
So
I
factor
that
all
in
I
do
believe
that
the
airport
has
a
right
to
be
concerned
with
Council.
Just
approving
the
Sip
and
the
applicant
meets
qualifications
to
this
point.
G
B
I
Mr
Mayor,
my
simple
answer
is
no
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why
I
mean
every
year
we
go
through
a
really
robust
budgeting
process.
You've
heard
me
say
that
word
robust
several
times
in
the
month
of
March
and
February.
We
really
need
to
look
at
all
the
revenue
incremental
Revenue
that
comes
into
the
system
on
an
annual
basis
and
really
then
work
with
our
operational
departments
to
really
see
what
the
incremental
cost
is
from
a
growth
perspective
and
incremental
costs.
That
also
leads
into
our
maintaining
our
overall
services.
I
So
in
doing
so,
I
think
this
will
be
a
very
extreme
administrative
task.
It
opens
up
the
door
for
continuation
of
specific.
You
know:
Parcels
of
land
or
property
taxation
by
property
taxation
by
property
by
growth.
So
for
me,
I,
don't
support
this
in
terms
of
the
overall
budget
process.
In
addition,
I
did
commit
to
coming
back
this
term
before
the
2024
budget,
with
an
updated
long-range
financial
plan.
So
I
appreciate
the
perspective
of
directing
this
funds
to
that
need.
I
X
X
But
as
I
noted
earlier
in
the
presentation,
there's
within
the
CIP
boundary
there's
a
hundred
hectares
of
available
land,
that's
right
for
redevelopment
and
development
that
could
generate
10
million
dollars
a
year
in
lease
Revenue.
If
it's
fully
built
out
and
I
think
that
that's
what
the
airport
is
certainly
very
focused
on
today,
because
that's
what's
going
to
lead
to
Air
Service
development,
because
you
can't
get
a
route
to
London
unless
you
buy
it.
B
Thank
you
councilor
luloff.
So
let
me
let
me
just
I'll,
be
very
quick
because
we've
we've
covered
a
lot
of
ground
already,
I
want
to
say.
First
of
all,
you
know
for
the
record.
I
actually
think
this
has
been
a
healthy
discussion
and
I,
don't
I
with
all
due
respect
to
counselor
dudas,
who
I
esteem
greatly
and
and
respect
I'm,
not
embarrassed
by
by
us
having
a
healthy
discussion
over
an
important
issue
like
this
I.
Think.
B
That's
what
the
community
expects
of
us
and
it's
okay
for
us
to
debate
this
and
not
agree
and
again,
with
all
due
respect
to
counselor
dudas,
who
I
esteem
and
respect
greatly.
I.
Don't
think
that
on
one
side
it's
facts
and
on
the
other
side
it's
emotions,
I
think
both
sides
are
entitled
to
look
at
this
through
the
lens
of
the
information
they've
received
and
make
decisions
based
on
on
their
criteria
for
those
decisions.
B
So,
just
to
be
clear:
I
don't
think
we
can
support
and
I
don't
think
we
should
support
counselor
dudas
motion
because
I,
while
I
don't
oppose
the
intent
of
that
motion
and-
and
we
all
want
to
invest
more
in
in
supporting
the
most
vulnerable
in
our
community
I.
Don't
think
this
is
the
way
to
do
it
and
I.
Don't
think
we
have
the
moral
Authority
or
the
legal
authority
to
bind
councils
of
the
next
25
years
on
a
particular
on
where
the
property
taxes
from
one
site
go.
B
That's
effectively
what
we
would
be
doing
we're
talking
about
telling
the
city
council
of
2045.
the
city
council
of
2046,
where
a
chunk
of
the
property
taxes
from
one
property
will
go
and
I,
don't
think
we
should
be
in
that
business.
So
I,
don't
support
that
motion.
As
you
know,
I
do
not
support
the
motion.
B
If,
if
the
logic
were
that
any
new
property
taxes
were
found
money,
then
if
any
one
of
us
built
an
extension
on
our
house,
the
city
government
should
give
us
back
75
percent
of
that,
because
it's
all
new
money
and
I
don't
support
that.
There
will
be
development
in
the
future
and
if
there's
a
market
for
hotels
in
Ottawa,
there
will
be
hotels
in
Ottawa
and
so
again,
I
greatly
appreciate
the
investment
that
Germaine
hotels
has
made
in
our
city.
B
I
greatly
appreciate
the
hard
work
of
the
airport
and
the
difficult
circumstances
they've
been
in,
but
I
do
not
support
this
model.
I
ran
in
the
election
opposing
this
model,
I
promise
to
review
it
and
that's
what
I
intend
to
do
so.
The
alternative
here
is
not
zero
dollars.
It
is
some
other
development
happening
eventually
which
will
generate
property
tax
revenue
for
us.
If
this
is
a
grant,
that's
why
it's
called
a
grant
and
we
don't
support
every
good
idea
that
comes
before
us
with
tax
dollars.
B
AI
A
D
F
F
F
AA
D
AJ
A
B
T
Chair
staff
staff
have
waited
through
the
meeting.
I
do
I,
do
wonder
if
there's,
maybe
just
it's
an
important
report,
maybe
just
two
minutes
from
staff.
If
they're,
if
you
want
to
I,
would
just
maybe
we
should
just
ask
Steph
if
they're
they
have
waited
and
it's
a
good
report.
Do
you
want
to
or
not
I
don't
know,
okay,
yeah.
AK
So
I'll
give
you
the
presentation
on
the
Better,
Homes
Ottawa
Loan
program
and
some
amendments
we'd
suggest
to
the
program.
To
date.
The
program
has
the
program
was
launched
in
November
of
2021.
It's
we
secured
some
zero
percent
loan
capital
from
the
Federation
of
Canadian
municipalities.
Alongside
a
grant,
it
was
oversubscribed
by
April
of
2022.
We
recapitalized
the
program
in
June
of
2022
with
an
additional
15
million
from
Vancity
Investment
Bank.
As
of
March
of
this
year,
we've
had
65
projects
completed,
320
initiated
and
another
700
in
the
queue.
AK
AK
AK
As
you
can
see
from
this
map.
As
of
this
month,
we've
got
projects
across
many
Wards,
not
all
when
we
add
the
layer
of
the
initiated
projects.
However,
we
do
have
coverage
of
every
Ward
and
we
encourage
counselors
to
get
in
touch
if
they'd
like
to
promote
the
program
in
their
ward.
In
particular,
some
of
the
program
changes
that
we
propose
in
order
to
specifically
make
the
program
more
accessible
are
to
lower
the
minimum
loan
value.
AK
We
recommend
expanding
the
eligibility
criteria
for
low-income
qualified
applicants.
Currently,
the
the
definition
is
tied
to
the
Enbridge
home
winter
proofing
program.
We'd
recommend,
including
Property
Owners,
afford
of
affordable
units
property
owners
who
commit
to
affordability
in
their
units
for
the
next
10
years,
we'd
like
to
include
them
as
eligible
as
well,
and
we
offer
beneficial
services
such
as
zero
percent
loans,
waived,
administrative
fees,
a
free
retrofit
manager
and
doubling
of
incentives
for
heat
pumps
to
those
eligible
applicants.
AK
The
some
of
the
other
proposed
changes
for,
in
particular
for
buildings
that
have
multiple
units
on
one
property,
we'd
like
to
lift
the
maximum
of
125
000
to
just
simply
being
the
10
of
assessed
property
value
and
that
will
specifically
help
non-profit
housing
providers
like
housing.
Co-Ops
take
advantage
of
the
program.
AK
We
also
are
adding
a
heat
pump
incentive
thanks
to
some
funding
that
Council
approved
and
that
we
were
received.
We
received
by
way
of
Grants
we'd
like
to
offer
a
heat,
an
incentive
specifically
for
the
installation
of
high
quality
heat
pumps
and
those
are
a
particularly
beneficial
technology
for
eliminating
greenhouse
gas
emissions
from
space.
AK
Heating
we'd
also
like
to
authorize
retrofit
managers
to
pay
contractors
on
behalf
of
the
homeowner
homeowners
when,
through
our
delivery
service
agent,
which
is
Enviro
Center
in
this
case,
that
again
will
help
manage
the
cash
flows
for
homeowners
and
build
trust
with
account
with
the
contractors.
Next
slide.
Please.
The
last
change
is
to
delegate
authority
to
the
Chief
Financial
Officer
and
the
general
manager
of
pred
to
make
future
program
changes.
AK
AK
AK
AD
Have
to
point
out
the
delicious
irony
that
we
literally
just
use
this
as
a
straw,
man
argument
against
the
last
thing
that
we
just
voted
and
now
we're
going
to
give
people
a
grant
back
on
making
improvements
to
their
private
property.
I'm
supporting
this
absolutely.
But
it's
just
it's
a
delicious
irony.
Thanks.
T
Menard
I
I
think
there's
some
differences
here
around
that,
but
I
won't
go
into
that
today.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
staff
for,
for
all
you've
done
on
this
I
think
the
changes
that
you're
making
to
the
program
make
perfect
sense
and
the
big
pieces
around
those
heat
pumps
right
that
that's
really
the
transition.
You
can
get
high
quality,
cold
climate
heat
pumps
in
the
city
of
Ottawa.
T
Now,
where
you
can
transition
off
of
that
fossil
fuel,
heating
and
I,
guess
the
question
to
staff
would
just
be
you
know
the
the
uptick
on
those
heat
pumps.
Do
we
anticipate
a
much
higher
uptake
with
the
changes
here?
And
you
know
what
are
the
benefits
of
switching
to
heat
pumps
for
for
residents
around
yeah
people?
Don't
know
perhaps
around
air
conditioning
and
heating,
your
home
and
you
know,
saving
money
along
the
way.
AK
AK
As
we
see
the
carbon
tax
increase
that
that
price
on
natural
gas
will
also
go
up,
and
so
we'd
like
to
protect
our
residents
before
that,
that
happens
to
them.
Finally,
the
incentive
will
is
it's
not
a
large
incentive,
it's
enough
to
sort
of
peak
people's
interest,
but
in
addition
to
the
incentives
offered
from
Enbridge
and
from
from
the
federal
government,
we
think
this
is
going
to
make
a
strong
case
for
particularly
selecting
cold
climate
heat
pumps
that
do
a
better
job
of
meeting
100
of
our
heating
needs.
T
T
B
B
B
All
right,
let's
get
started
again.
Thank
you.
Everyone
for
the
benefit
of
those
joining
us
online.
The
finance
and
Corporate
Services
Committee
just
met
in
Cambridge
in
order
to
receive
a
presentation
on
the
Strategic
collective
bargaining
mandate
for
negotiations
for
the
Civic
Institute
of
professional
Personnel.
These
matters
will
not
be
reported
out
as
they
relate
to
subsections,
13-1-d,
labor
relations
and
employee
negotiations
and
13
1f,
the
receiving
of
advice
that
is
subject
to
solicitor
client
privilege,
including
Communications,
necessary
for
that
purpose.
B
B
O
O
So
it
is,
is
there
a
policy
limiting
the
number
of
years
a
staff
position
can
remain
vacant
before
it
must
be
filled
or
eliminated,
and
two
how
many
staff
positions
have
been
vacant
four
and
then
there's
an
a
five
years
or
more
B.
Four
to
five
years
c,
three
to
four
years,
D,
two
to
three
years,
then
e
one
to
two
years.
O
B
B
T
F
B
E
T
The
reason
it's
come
today
is
I
was
going
to
give
notice
last
meeting,
but
staff
and
the
mayor's
office
asked
me
to
work
with
them
to
bring
it
back
today,
instead
of
giving
notice
last
time
and
the
motion,
because
they
wanted
some
time
to
work
on
it.
That's
why
it's
coming,
but
it's
time
sensitive
because
of
the
consultations
are
starting
now
so
yeah.
B
T
And
I'll
be
quick,
mayor,
I.
Think
I,
don't
think
it's
too
controversial
but
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
I'll
read
the
therefore
be
it
resolve
is
just
in
response
to
some
of
the
emails
we've
been
getting
about
the
consultation
on
this
and
as
it
moves
forward,
it's
that
staff
be
directed
to
ensure
that
the
Lansdowne
2.0
public
engagement
will
include
the
following
key
elements.
B
AD
E
T
AD
Y
I
I
was
going
to
ask
that
I,
just
maybe
if
it
was
no,
it's
fine
I'm
glad
it
was
asked.
I
was
curious
about
that,
because
I
didn't
know
what
kind
of
map
you're
talking
about.
So
the
clarity
and
the
motion,
but
at
least
I
know
I
wanted
to
ask
about
number
three
I.
Don't
have
it
in
front
of
me
but
number
three
and
talking
about
not
adhering
to
the
financial
model
that
was
approved
in
2022.
T
Agree
and
yeah
good
comments,
I
think
this
is
just
so
that
you
know
if
there's
ideas
like
a
roof,
overhang
or
a
walkable,
you
know
green
roof
or
a
different
unit
potential
that
they
are
allowed
to
be
considered
and
that
their
input
will
be
heard
by
staff
and
that
that
analysis
will
be
done
and
I
know,
staff
have
kind
of
started
that
analysis
already
for
some
of
those
ideas
that
came
through
prior
to
this
process,
starting
so
yeah
fully
agree
and
those
things
need
to
be
properly
costed.
Okay,
thank.