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Description
Finance and Corporate Services Committee - February 7, 2023
A
A
As
we
begin
our
meeting
today
and
on
behalf
of
Ottawa
city
council
I
wish
to
acknowledge
that
Ottawa
is
built
on
unseated
anishinaabe,
Algonquin
territory.
The
peoples
of
the
anishinaabe
Algonquin
Nation,
have
lived
on
this
territory
for
Millennia
their
culture
and
presence
have
nurtured
and
continued
to
nurture
this
land.
The
city
of
Ottawa
honors,
the
people
and
land
of
the
anishinaabe
Algonquin
nation
and
honors
all
First
Nations,
Inuit
and
metis
peoples
and
their
valuable
past
and
present
contributions
to
this
land.
A
C
E
B
A
A
F
C
I,
have
it
right
here:
Mr,
chair,
okay,
go
ahead
thanks!
Thank
you
very
much,
whereas
at
its
meeting
on
February
7th,
the
2023
finance
and
Corporate
Services
committee
will
consider
an
information
report,
titled
update
on
the
public
order,
emergency
commission
and
whereas
document
one
of
the
report
being
institutional
reports
submitted
by
the
city
of
Ottawa,
includes
information
about
the
2022
Freedom
convoys
impact
on
residents
with
disabilities.
But
this
content
was
inadvertently
omitted
from
the
report's
accessibility
impacts.
C
Section
therefore
be
resolved
that
the
report's
accessibility
impact
section
be
amended
to
include
the
following
comments,
as
noted
in
document
one
being
the
city
of
ottawa's
institutional
report,
the
impact
of
the
Convoy
on
ottawa's
residence,
particularly
those
who
live
in
the
downtown
core,
was
well
documented
in
the
media
and
in
thousands
of
emails
sent
to
elected
officials
at
City
at
the
city.
During
the
relevant
time,
City
staff
documented
common
and
persistent
impacts
to
Residents,
including
seemingly
never-ending,
noise
from
horns,
fumes
for
MyLink
trucks,
issues
with
food
security,
Transportation
safety
and
mental
health.
C
For
more
information
about
the
impact
on
residents
with
disabilities.
Please
see
Section
5
of
document,
one
being
the
impacts
of
demonstrations
in
early
2022
in
the
city
of
Ottawa,
its
residents
and
businesses
in
particular.
Several
accessibility
impacts
are
described
under
the
subsection
II
being
impact
on
health.
This
includes
impacts
on
people
with
disabilities,
isolation
and
mental
health
challenges,
the
effects
of
air
pollution,
the
impact
on
health
care
workers
and
the
Health
Care
System.
C
H
Thank
you
mayor
just
generally
on
the
whole
report.
We
can
ask
questions.
Yeah
I
just
want
to
ask
staff.
The
final
paragraph
of
the
report
talks
about
the
next
steps,
we're
of
course
waiting
for
the
commission's
report
to
be
released.
It
certainly
goes
through
the
federal
process
and
the
last
paragraph
says
in
this
in
our
staff
report,
any
findings
and
recommendations
of
the
commission
with
implications
for
the
city
will
be
assessed
and
considered
in
the
context
of
the
auditor.
I
Or
if
I
may
I
think
it's
important
to
distinguish
the
commission
that
was
established
under
the
emergencies
act
from,
for
example,
the
olit
Commission,
in
that
the
latter
was
very
much
directed
at
the
city
of
Ottawa.
The
city
was
at
the
center
of
that
the
poec,
as
we
call
it
was
established
by
Statute,
is
a
requirement
of
the
emergencies
act.
I
It's
for
that
reason,
while
the
city
of
automate
well
have
been
the
venue
for
these
events,
or
at
least
one
of
the
venues,
it's
important
to
note
that
the
city
of
Windsor
and
the
Ambassador
Bridge
was
also
you
know,
a
significant
focus
of
the
inquiry,
as
well
as
the
blockades
and
Coots
and
along
the
Pacific
Coast
Highway.
For
that
reason,
and
that's
why
it's
framed
in
that
way,
it's
not
expected
that
there
are
going
to
be,
for
example,
recommendations
directed
at
the
city
or
even
findings
directed
at
the
city.
I
But,
unlike
the
olrt
inquiry,
the
city
of
Ottawa
really
was
not
the
focus.
We
were
a
provider
of
of
information
and
that's
why
the
report
is
framed
in
that
way
and
that
we
are
not
really
anticipating,
given
the
nature
of
the
inquiry
itself
and
its
own
statutory
mandate,
that
there
are
going
to
be
things
that
are
directed
at
the
city
in
the
same
way
as
the
recommendations
were
in
the
olit
inquiry.
H
Yeah
and
I
I
appreciate
that
added
context
and
I
think
that's
important.
All
I'm
saying
Mr
Mayor
is
that
in
the
event
that
there
are
comments
or
recommendations
stemming
from
this
commission's
report
that
are
directed
towards
the
city
of
Ottawa,
that
Council
has
an
opportunity
through
our
staff,
to
react
to
that.
So
thank
you.
E
Thank
you,
I'm
going
to
assume
staff
are
aware
of
the
Ottawa
people's
Commission
report.
They've
released
part,
one
of
that
publicly
and
I
think
there's
a
part
two
coming
in
March
at
some
point,
I'm
curious.
If
that
report
has
been
submitted
formally
in
any
way
to
the
city,
either
through
the
clerk's
office
or
perhaps
the
mayor's
office,
if
we,
if
we've
received
that
directly.
E
E
A
A
K
A
M
M
You
can
go
right
into
the
next
slide
if
you
don't
mind,
I'm,
not
sure,
oh
okay,
so
today
I'll
go
with
an
overview
of
the
overall
presentation
for
the
draft
2023
budget
for
the
finance
and
Corporate
Services
committee.
Typically,
this
is
followed
with
Publications,
but
public
delegations,
but
we
have
known
today
then
we'll
follow
up
with
questions
to
staff
and
then,
of
course,
recommend
a
budget
to
Council
next
slide.
M
Please,
the
finance
and
Corporate
Services
budget
includes
budgets
from
several
different
departments
and
I'm
joined
by
my
colleagues
here
to
address
any
questions
that
you
may
have
in
the
governance,
which
includes
the
mayor's
office
counselor's
office,
City,
Clerks,
legal
services
and
the
city
manager,
Office
shared
administrative
services.
This
is
where
you
see:
Economic,
Development,
corporate
real
estate,
I.T
HR
service,
Ottawa
and
the
finance
department.
M
M
M
M
tax
increase
is
also
for
City
police
transit
services,
as
per
the
council
approved
direction
of
2.5
percent
for
tax
levy.
On
the
growth
side,
the
budget
does
include
Grove
related
expenditures
and
revenues.
The
contribution
to
Capital
includes
additional
1
million
contribution
to
tax
supported
assets
for
growth
in
the
asset
base.
The
vut
program
is
also
captured.
There's
a
net
of
4.4
million
dut
contributed
to
the
housing
reserve
for
affordable
housing
and
the
overall
assessment
growth
again
is
increasing
by
42.2
million,
which
is
your
2.2
percent
increase
for
2023.
M
There's
also
discretionary
savings
related
to
travel
office,
supplies,
conferences
and
other
discretionary
spending
elements
in
this
budget,
there's
295
K
thousand
dollars
of
discretionary
Savings
in
the
finance
and
Corporate
Services
budget.
In
addition,
there's
2.2
million
dollars
of
savings
related
to
the
recent
organizational
realignment
and
there's
a
number
of
Revenue
increases
that
are
increasing
across
various
sources,
such
as
POA,
user
fees
and
purchasing
card
rebates.
M
M
M
The
draft
2023
budget
includes
3.1
million
for
life
cycle,
renewal
replacement
for
works
in
the
general
government,
such
as
City
facilities
as
Ben
Franklin
constellations,
City
Hall,
10.5
million
Investments
for
the
cities
in
I.T
infrastructure
and
Technology
Transformations,
such
as
the
city's
ebrp
system
and
there's
375
000
for
service
announcements
related
to
installation
of
accessibility
features
in
existing
General
government
facilities,
Mr
Mayor.
That
concludes
my
presentation.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you.
I
have
a
few
just
looking
for
additional
details,
so
you
mentioned
the
2.2
million
dollar
savings
which
is
related
to
the
combining
of
the
Innovative
services
and
finance
Services
Department.
As
that
savings
already
been
allocated
elsewhere,
or
is
that
an
amount
that
we
might
be
able
to
do
something
with.
M
Mr
Mayor,
so
first
off
the
savings
is
already
allocated.
That's
reflected
in
the
non-departmental
section
of
this
budget
and
just
for
a
point
of
clarification.
I
should
have
mentioned
in
my
presentation.
The
actual
budget
book
is
not
aligned
to
the
new
structure.
The
new
structure
was
announced
eight
days
before
we
tabled,
so
we
never
had
the
opportunity
to
kind
of
shift
around
the
structure
of
the
templates
just
for
as
a
FYI
that
will
flow
through
in
the
final
book.
E
Okay,
I
was
really
hoping
we
might
have
just
found
2.2
million
to
put
towards
affordable
housing,
but
we'll
keep
looking
okay
page
38,
it's
Supply
Services
operating
resource
requirement.
There's
Revenue
listed
of
2.99
million,
which
is
up
significantly
from
last
year,
which
was
785
000..
What
is
that?
What
is
the
revenue
included
on
that
line?.
M
Mr
Mayor:
this
is
what
we
refer
to
as
our
purchasing
card
Revenue
that
we
get
back
so
be
right
settled.
Basically,
we
have
a
corporate
credit
card
program
in
the
city
where
we
purchase
easy,
like
the
tangible
Assets
in
terms
of
the
supplies
that
we
need
to
operate
our
business
and
then
we
get
a
rebate
based
on
certain
thresholds
that
we
meet.
So
this
was
established
going
back
to
2017-2018
time
frame,
so
we've
been
looking
at
our
historical
averages,
our
actuals
over
the
years
and
we've
been
actually
increasing
that
Revenue.
M
Over
the
years
it's
slightly
grows,
so
we
once
we
get
a
good
snapshot
of
a
three
four
five
year
average.
Then
we
can
kind
of
increase
that
so
now
it's
at
a
good
level,
that's
kind
of
our
five
year
average
run
rate.
So
we
look
at
that
every
year
and
now
is
the
time
to
kind
of
increase
that
budget.
Okay,.
E
F
E
M
E
M
E
N
M
Mr
Mayor
assessment
girl
effectively
is,
is
any
new
house
that's
built,
so
any
new
house
that
will
now
be
functional
living
taking
the
benefits,
paying
a
property
tax
bill
in
2023
is
what
that
assessment
reflects.
So
any
new
house
or
a
residential
commercial
property
that
is
brought
onto
the
base
in
2022
that
effectively
will
be
part
of
the
tax
roll
in
2023.
M
N
Thank
you.
The
reason
I'm
asking
is
because
I
want
to
know
what
services
are
required
if
it's
new
developments
like
if
there's
a
whole
new
section.
This
is
you
know
it's
going
to
be
more
costs,
maintaining
roads
and
sewers
Etc
as
opposed
to
infill,
which
would
use
existing
services.
So
it
does
make
a
difference
on
our
budget,
so
it
would
be
helpful
to
know
where
that
growth
is.
Thank.
You.
H
Thank
you
mayor
and
thank
you
to
staff
for
the
presentation
this
morning.
The
first
of
many
over
this
month.
I
have
a
few
questions.
Regrettably,
my
budget
does
not
have
page
numbers,
so
I'm
just
going
to
have
to
do
my
best
to
refer
to
the
item,
and
the
first
is
regarding
the
budget
line,
Realty
initiatives
and
development.
This
is
in
the
corporate
real
estate
office
page
and
we're
proposing.
H
Perhaps
you
could
talk
to
me
about
sort
of
the
budget.
Revenue
estimates
for
2023,
as
well
as
the
expenditures,
the
type
of
like,
what's
Incorporated,
in
the
expenditure
line,
what
makes
up
costs
in
addition
to
staff,
perhaps
this
line
is,
is
parred
with
some
additional
budget
information
that's
further
in
the
fedco
budget.
O
O
Includes
acquisition
of
land
and
buildings
to
support
city
services
and
initiatives,
there's
environmental
remediation
costs,
soil
management
of
city-owned,
land
oversight
of
our
leasing
performance
portfolio,
a
number
of
valuations
and
appraisals
required
yeah.
So
it's
a
variety
I
could.
If
you
want
to
go
into
more
detail,
I
could
have
Mr
Reggie
break
it
down
further
for
you.
H
H
Maybe
you
can
explain
that
that
separate
budget
line,
because
that's
a
revenue
line
as
well
1.5
million
down
from
last
year's
forecast
of
9
million.
What
what
are
we
estimating
to
bring
in
next
year
due
to
the
sale
of
surplus
lands?
Is
it
specifically
what's
the
difference
between
the
5
million
figure
and
the
1.5
million
dollar
figure.
O
P
Thank
you,
Don
Mr
Mayor,
the
the
separation
between
the
two
Revenue
targets,
one
is
for
ocldc
and
it
is
a
set
amount
of
5
million
to
cover
costs,
and
it
really
depends
we
generally
hit
over
that
it
just
depends
on
what
we
can
bring
to
the
market.
The
sale
of
surplus
lands
are
general
sales,
so
that
might
be
little
remnants
pieces
that
the
city
owns
that
we
dispose
of
throughout
the
year
and
that
that
is
just
a
general
Revenue
sale.
So
it
doesn't
go
through
the
ocldc.
H
P
We
put
together
a
work
plan
every
year
to
to
go
through
potential
sales
that
we
can.
We
can
bring
to
the
market
both
through
ocldc
and
our
General
Revenue
sales,
and
we
do
an
annual
I'll
call
it
a
scrub
of
of
what
we
have
in
our
inventory
in
terms
of
General
Surplus
lands
and
every
once
in
a
while.
Some
lands
pop
up
where
a
resident
might
live
next
to
an
abandoned,
right-of-way
or
or
Alleyway
that
they'd
like
to
purchase.
And
then
we
we
work
towards
the
sales
ad.
Also,
okay,.
H
P
H
Okay
and
my
last
question
Amir
is
regarding
a
line:
that's
identified
as
100
constellation
lease
6.4
million
dollars.
How
many
can
someone
talk
to
me
again
globally
about
rent
that
we're
paying
in
various
facilities?
This
is
a
big
budget
line,
but
obviously
I
assume
we
we
use
the
whole
building.
Are
we
doing
a
cost,
benefit
analysis
of
continuing
to
pay
leases
versus
owning
buildings
outright?
If
you
could
just
give
me
a
global
answer
in
that
regard,.
P
Mr
Mayor
I'll
be
specific
on
the
constellation
because
that
that's
a
lease
to
own
and
so
I
believe
in
20
2029
2026,
yes,
there'll
be
a
a
payment
to
the
the
owner
final
payment,
and
it
will
will
make
that
payment.
Then
we'll
we'll
own
that
one,
so
that's
a
least
owned
situation
in
terms
globally.
We
you
know
in
in
acquisition
leases.
We
will
always
you
know,
work
with
the
client
Department,
that's
looking
for
space.
P
Q
So
one
it
appears.
There's
a
an
875
000
spend
I
think
we
had
approved
8
million
in
in
spending
previously
as
a
council,
but
in
the
two
line
items
I'm
seeing
under
the
city
manager's
office,
there's
Authority
for
875
000.,
so
I
don't
know
if
that's
just
a
typo,
it
should
be
8.75
or
or
not,
but
I'm
just
wondering
what
that
875
000
is
for
for
the
Lansdowne
spend
and
what
that's
being
spent
on.
J
Q
M
Q
You
know
you
can
keep
going
okay,
so
I
I,
just
the
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
I
guess
with
the
the
first
question
is
we
had
approved
8
million
and
and
I'd
like
to
know
what
we've
spent
of
that
8
million
so
far,
but
then
in
the
project,
description
of
the
budget.
We
also
have
this
875
000
spend
so
I
just
want
to
know
the
difference
between
those
two
and
what
we've
spent
so
far.
Those
two
line
items.
D
F
M
Mr
Mayor
that
the
report
that
we
have
in
our
budget
book
is
as
of
end
of
August.
So
at
that
time
no
that
would
have
been
spent
because
the
report
was
just
approved
in
May.
What
we
will
do
is
what
we,
when
we
report
back
to
our
disposition
and
I,
can
actually
provide
the
whips
at
December
31st
before
Council.
If
you
like,
it's
just
a
timing
in
terms
of
when
we
do
our
budget
book
in
terms
of
when
we
do
the
final
report.
M
Q
Program:
okay,
thanks
for
that,
obviously
Lansdowne
hasn't
been
consulted
on
and
we're
saying
we're
in
a
period
of
fiscal
restraint:
the
332.6
million
dollar
debt
Authority.
If
there's
going
to
be
changes
through
those
consultations
and
discussions,
the
process
would
be
that
that
would
that
may
go
up
or
down,
and
then
we
go
back
to
the
debenture
committee
to
take
on
that
332
million
dollar
debt
or
what's
the
process
to
this
point.
D
So
it
goes
to
the
dementia
committee
once
after
the
construction
work
is
done,
so
the
debt
Authority
is
approved
as
part
of
the
budget.
So
when
it
goes
back
to
council
for
approval,
whether
it
goes
up
or
down
that's
when
the
debt
Authority
gets
approved
and
then
throughout
the
construction,
we
we
pay
for
the
works
and
from
and
then
we
issue
the
debt
afterwards
and
that's
when
it
goes
to
the
Venture
committee.
So
the
debt
Authority
is
already
approved
before
the
ghosted
adventure.
Okay,.
Q
Are
we
planning
to
mitigate
this
risk
in
the
in
the
near
future,
and
you
know
I
guess
how
will
consultations
be
operated
in
order
to
get
at
what
the
public
wants,
because
something's
been
approved
without
any
consultation?
Obviously,
we've
got
a
lot
of
money
in
the
budget
coming
for
it,
I
suspect
there'll,
be
changes
given
feedback.
O
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
I'll
start
and,
if
Isabelle
or
what
do
you
want
to
add
the
so
as
directed
last
last
summer,
we
will
be
coming
back
to
this
committee
and
council
with
an
updated
business
plan.
If
you
will
looking
at
all
those
cost
issues,
there
were
a
number
of
directions
and
motions
that
were
provided
to
staff
to
look
at
that
have
costs
associated
with
them.
O
You
know
the
green
roof
access,
affordable
housing
targets,
to
name
a
couple
so
in
terms
of
Engagement,
we'll
be
starting
off
getting
folks
caught
up
with
that
concept
that
was
tables
last
summer
and
then
yeah
finding
out
what
is
important
to
to
our
residents
in
terms
of
a
future
Landsdowne.
Looking
at
that
bringing
bringing
forward,
ultimately
a
report
that
looks
at
all
those
asks
and
balances,
those
costs
and
ultimately,
Council
will
weigh
in
on
that.
M
Mr
Mayor
so
I
think
to
be
clear,
I
think
the
counselors
speaking
to
the
service
framework
and
review
that
we
highlighted
in
the
transmittal
report
so
from
a
staff
perspective,
one
step
I'll
call
it
working
group
is
established.
Obviously
I'll
be
part
of
that
working
group
and
then,
depending
on
what
areas
we
focus
on.
M
So
if
we
focus
on
a
certain
area
of
the
business,
the
respective
Finance
team
will
support
me
and,
and
that
group,
as
we
go
through,
that
due
diligence
and
review
and
obviously
get
the
input
with
that
working
group.
The
Mr,
Mayor
councilor
large
city
manager's
office,
so
that'll
be
established
shortly
thereafter.
If,
if
the
budget
is
adopted
on
March
1st.
R
M
Mr
Mayor,
yes,
so
what
the
budget
does?
Is
it
seeks
the
authority
to
add
debt
to
our
portfolio?
If
you
will,
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
actually
go
out
and
issue
debt
when
we
do
go
through
the
issue
process,
we
do
report
back
and
we
we
do
monitor
the
markets
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we
capitalize
on
on
the
rates
rates
are
increasing
this
year,
but
you
gotta
treat
debt
as
more
of
a
longer
term
strategy.
In
terms
of
you
know,
historical
rates
future
looking
rates.
R
Okay,
thank
you,
my
next
question
here
the
city's
increasing
our
contribution
to
the
Citywide
reserve
for
Capital
assets.
Well,
above
the
the
two
and
a
half
percent
increase
and
I
know
we
have
a
an
infrastructure
deficit
at
the
city,
so,
with
the
increase
in
investment,
are
we
going
to
start
catching
up
on
that
deficit
and
to
close
it
with
the
current
Council
approved
plan.
M
Mr
Mayor,
yes,
so
we
are
still
talking
to
the
the
long-range
Financial
plans
for
tax
and
rate
and
the
housing
specifically
for
tax.
We
are
making
that
additional
contribution
as
per
to
plan,
and
that
plan
is
still
on
track
to
close
that
infrastructure
Gap
by
2026
so
effectively.
Yes,
we're.
We
continue
to
remove
the
backlog
and
get
to
that
threshold
by
2026.
M
Roughly
right
now
we
are
around
originally
when
the
long-range
financial
plan
was
tabled.
We
had
a
70
million
dollar
infrastructure
Gap.
It
was
125
versus
the
need
of
195,
excluding
inflation,
so
we
are
three
years
away
so
effectively
we're
about
between
50
and
20
million
away
from
that
Gap
that
we're
going
to
close.
R
M
Mr
Mayor
I
would
point.
I
would
suggest
I
point
you
back
to
the
transmittal
report.
In
the
transmittal
report,
we
created
several
different
tables
which
highlights
the
breakdown
of
those
resources
and
there's
about
38
that
are
funded
from
the
property
tax
roll,
but
a
little
bit
of
a
caveat
paramedics,
there's
14
paramedics
within
that
38
50
of
the
paramedic
funding
does
come
from
the
province.
M
Then
the
majority
of
the
other
ftes
we
have
it
broken
down
in
terms
of
other
sources
outside
of
the
tax,
so
the
significant
increase
would
be
on
the
community
Social
Services
side,
which
are
funded
by
provincial
funding
and,
of
course,
there's
a
number
of
different
ftes
there
for
other
Revenue
sources.
But
the
details
are
pretty
good
in
the
trans
middle.
If
you
do
have
further
further
questions,
you
can
reach
out
to
me.
If
that's
okay,.
R
Thank
you
very
much
in
terms
of
making
the
budget
a
little
easier
to
read
for
the
public
and
Council
colleagues.
What
are
we
doing
to
actually
make
those
improvements
like
where,
where
are
we
going?
How
are
we
going
to
make
sure
that,
if
we
open
this,
we
don't
have
to
be
experts
in
Municipal
budgeting
to
actually
decipher
and
pull
information
out.
M
That's
a
small
step
in
terms
of
helping
it
helping
residents
and
counselors
understand
that,
through
this
feedback
and
through
the
counselor
consultations
that
we're
going
through
we're
looking
at
other
opportunities
and
avenues
like
how
do
we
kind
of
make
that
Beast
of
a
document
pardon
my
words,
more
user
friendly,
some
sort
of
more
of
a
summary
level,
so
we're
taking
that
feedback
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
consolidate
that
detail.
The
challenge
is
always
with
you
know
the
significant
detail
that
we
do
publish
at
relatively
low
one
of
the
lowest
levels.
M
R
M
R
M
Again,
Mr
Mayor:
these
are
this
item
and
similar
to
the
self-surplus
land
item
as
well,
is
we
we
look
at
not
a
one-year
view.
We
try
and
look
at
our
historical
averages
as
well,
because
we
do
Budget
on
a
base
base
budget
perspective.
If
we
increase
it
one
year
and
then
it
goes
down
the
other,
we're
basically
doing
more
of
the
Peaks
and
valleys.
M
So
we
kind
of
streamline
our
process
to
make
sure
that
we
there's
not
too
much
risk
by
inflating
it
this
year,
just
to
come
back
and
create
a
pressure
to
follow
here.
So
we
monitor
that
we
also
provide
that
update
throughout
the
year
in
our
quarterly
status
reports
and,
of
course,
in
our
core
Q2
reports,
where
we
provide
guidance
on
our
forecast.
D
So
most
much
of
the
Investments
are
related
to
our
reserves,
so
they
are
committed
for
capital
projects.
Credit
rating
agencies
look
at
our
liquidity.
It's
a
it's
a
significant
factor
that
they
look
at
in
terms
of
our
overall
rating.
We
have
to
maintain
sufficient
liquidity
from
it
to
manage
year-over-year
fluctuations,
so
we
do
manage
it
as
best.
We
can
and
balance
it
with
appropriate
sustainability
factors.
The
credit
rating
rating
agencies
look
at.
S
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor,
a
lot
of
the
questions
I
had
are
asked.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
asking
them
and
for
the
answers.
The
one
question
I'm
going
to
ask
is
about
the
vacant
unit
tax
and
what
I'm
seeing
is
I.
Think
an
assumption
in
the
budget,
but
I
know
we're
getting
a
little
more
lengthy
report
on
it
and
I
know
that
we
just
received
a
memo
indicating
that
70
of
property
taxpayers
have
have
gone
on
and
and
made
their
declaration.
S
However,
we
were
told
when
we
approved
it
that
it
would
cost
about
8
million.
We
would
bring
in
32
million
the
net
cost
net
income
would
be
about
24
million.
That's
what
I
remember.
Can
you
just
explain
to
me
what
part
of
the
vacant
unit
tax
that
you
mentioned
in
your
presentation
is
a
part
of
this
budget,
and
is
it
really
just
an
assumption,
or
is
this
unknown.
M
M
But
of
course
we
need
to
remove
the
operating
costs
in
terms
of
supporting
program
for
a
net
4.4,
as
you
alluded
to,
we
will
be
back
I
think
is
in
May
time
frame
with
a
follow-up
report
in
terms
of
the
status
and
I
think
the
latest
number
that
we
reported
was
76,
which
was
as
of
the
week
and
a
half
ago.
So
the
numbers
are
looking
good.
T
Thank
you
very
much
Mr
Mayor
and
thank
you
to
the
team
for
the
presentation.
Can
everyone
hear
me:
okay,
yeah,
okay,
thank
you.
So
I
just
I
have
two
questions,
so
one
is
I'm
interested
in
exploring
just
as
an
understanding
the
the
health
of
our
human
resources.
So
you
know
I'd
like
to
understand
what
sort
of
the
trends
have
been
with
respect
to
filling
vacancies,
as
I'm
speaking
to
many
departments
they're
describing
to
me
that
they
are
currently
experiencing
vacancies
and
we
do
know,
there's
a
labor
shortage.
T
So
how
has
the
city
of
Ottawa
been
able
to
maintain
its
status
as
a
competitive
employer
and
whether
or
not
we're
predicting
any
challenges
with
that
and
I'd
love?
I'd
love
to
understand.
You
know
both
within
the
the
bureaucracy,
but
also
within
the
trades
that
are
supporting
many
of
our
activities.
I
think
there
is
something
to
be
looked
at
there.
So
could
I
get
an
understanding
of
a
trend.
M
Mr
Mayor,
yes,
I
mean
the
city
of
Ottawa
is
like
any
other
organization.
There
is
a
real
challenge
in
the
marketplace
in
terms
of
getting
Talent
and
that's
across
the
board.
I
can
speak
to
you
know
from
a
finance
perspective
and
Corporate
Services.
It
is
challenging
to
find
resources,
there's
quite
a
demand
out
there.
We
still,
you
know,
we
still
invest
in
our
people,
invest
in
our
organization.
We
do
have
some.
M
You
know
some
additional
support
in
HR
for
2023
to
kind
of
help
us
go
through
some
of
the
Java
Java
evaluation,
criterias,
the
health
and
safety
of
our
of
our
Workforce
Etc.
So
we're
continuing
to
invest
in
that
area,
but
we
are
challenged
like
any
other
organization.
It's
a
challenge
that
I
speak
to
my
colleagues
across
public
sector
and
private
sector.
You
know
it's
a
challenge
that
everyone's
mad.
There
is
no
answer.
M
T
And
are
we
taking
any
any
Creative
Steps
when
it
comes
to
the
type
of
qualifications
that
people
might
need
to
present?
Whether
that's
formal
schooling
versus
experience
are
we?
Are
we
having
the
doors
open
to
those
conversations
within
departments,
so
that
we
sure
we're
sure
that
we're
casting
a
wide
net.
M
Mr
Mayor,
yes,
we
I
mean.
Obviously
we
always
ensure
that,
depending
on
the
job
that
the
qualifications
and
the
experience
in
education
matches,
the
skills
that
required
I
can
speak
to
from
a
finance
perspective.
We
do
partake
in
different
initiatives
with
universities.
Cpa,
that's
a
certified
public
accounting
designation.
So
we
do
work
with
different
organizations.
M
In
terms
of
you
know,
attracting
talent
and
kind
of
you
know
selling
the
organization,
because
it's
a
great
organization
to
work,
so
we
do
kind
of
cast
that
broad
net
and
that's
true
for
all
different
skill
sets
and
resources.
We
are
part
of
many
many
associations
from
professional
engineering
associations
to
project
management
associations,
Etc.
T
M
T
F
Yeah
I'm
happy
to
start
counselor,
so
we
haven't
made
any
changes
to
the
budget
as
of
yet
because
we
haven't
fully
flushed
out
one
that
new
Corporation
is
going
to
look
like,
as
well
as
the
terms
of
reference
associated
with
it.
The
mayor
spoke
to
that
I
believe
in
his
address
a
week
or
two
ago,
and
that's
work.
That's
going
to
be
undertaken
in
the
next
coming
weeks
and
months
and
bring
that
forward
to
council
and
I'll.
Just
ask
Mr
Mayor.
If
there's
anything
you
wanted
to
add
foreign.
A
No
I
think
you've
covered
it
I
think
as
as
you
know,
councilor
Johnson
I
we're
excited
about
the
opportunity
to
work
on
this
and
and
we'll
engage
with
everyone
about
what
that
could
look
like
and
including
the
terms
of
reference
and
the
and
the
opportunities
we
might
have
to
to
move
forward
on.
So
there'll
be
more
to
come
on
that
in
the
days
and
weeks
ahead.
T
Thank
you,
Mr
Mayor
and
I
look
forward
to
being
on
the
board
to
to
have
those
types
of
conversations
and
it's
an
opportunity
to
flag
that
come
2024.
We
might
have
a
very
different
conversation
about
how
we
use
land
and
and
it
may
impact
the
way
that
we
create
revenues
and
expenses
and
and
it
will
be
something
to
consider
when
when
looking
for
2024..
So
thank
you
very
much.
That's
all
I
have
right
now.
U
Great,
thank
you
very
much.
Mr
Mayor,
first
of
all,
I
just
great
great
work
on
on
the
budget.
I
always
do
concern
myself
when
it
comes
to
it,
because
I've
lived
through
the
dancing
bananas
and
the
DDOS
Denali
service
attacks.
I,
don't
know
if
he
constantly
increased
funding
in
the
way
of
security
and
audit
and
testing.
Is
this
a
sufficient
amount
to?
Because
it
is
our
our
backbone
now,
for
sure
I
mean
we're
doing
everything
online
and
to
lose
access
to
our
own
systems
would
be
concerning.
M
Mr
Mayor,
the
simple
answer
is
yes:
I
mean
we
do
have
in
this
budget.
You
do
see
two
additional
resources
for
what
we
label
as
a
Cecil,
so
the
security
organization,
so
myself
and
Sandra
our
CEO
are
working
closely
kind
of
moving
that
strategy
forward
and
moving
that
work
forward.
A
lot
of
work
has
been
done
and
now
this
budget
gives
us
that
beefed
up
resources
to
kind
of
continue
moving
it
forward
and
keep
making
sure
we
are
secure.
H
Thank
you
mayor,
just
a
few
more
questions.
The
hydro
Ottawa
dividend
is
something
we
need
to
take
close.
Look
at
and
what's
being
budgeted
this
year
is
I
understand
the
minimum
contribution
that
they
are
supposed
to
be
making
and
can
staff
just
talk
about
what
happens
if
Hydro
doesn't
generate
a
profit
or
generates
a
profit
below
20
million
dollars?
What
is
the
payment
expectation
to
the
city
of
Ottawa.
M
H
H
I
Mayor
those
like
any
other
ticket,
whether
it
be
issued
under
part,
one
part,
two
or
part
three
of
the
provincial
offenses
act.
There
are
certain
initial
processes
that
you
know
and
without
getting
into
all
the
details.
Tickets
can
be
paid
up
front
if
you've
ever
received
one,
but
they
may
also
require
trial,
for
example,
and
so
the
the
revenue
that
you
see
from
any
particular
ticket,
it
might
be
generated
right
up
front
or
it
might
take
some
time
alternately.
Of
course,
there
are
costs
that
go
along
with
that.
I
We
don't
tend
to
track
individual
tickets
or
anything
like
that.
But
there
are
mechanisms
available
under
the
provincial
offenses
act
that
allow
recovery,
depending
on
the
nature
of
the
ticket
by
plate,
suspension,
license
suspension
and
those
kinds,
those
those
are
the
kinds
of
of
mechanisms
that
the
city
and
and
any
other
municipality
tend
to
employ
to
ensure
a
collection
of
fines
either
imposed
at
the
at
the
outset
or
after
trial.
H
Despite
the
volume
of
tickets
issued,
I
just
want
to
see
clarification
from
the
city
that
it
is
the
city's
intention
to
seek
payment
from
people
who
have
not
declared
whether
they've
paid
the
ticket
or
indicated
they'd
like
a
court
date.
If
they've
just
been
silent,
it
is
the
city's
intent
to
ensure
we
get
our
revenues
from
these
tickets.
Is
that
correct.
H
M
Mr
Mayor,
so
the
automated
speed
enforcement
I
I,
don't
know
what
page
you're
looking
at
apologize
to
that.
But
there
is
incremental
Revenue
coming
in
in
2023,
there's
additional
cost
support
costs
for
the
program
and
there's
a
contribution
to
the
Road
Safety
Reserve.
As
per
the
policy
and
the
report
that
was
approved.
So
there
is
incremental
Revenue.
You
might
I'm
not
sure
if
the
lineup
is
net
zero
because
the
the
cost
and
the
expense
ultimately
that's
out
to
zero
because
they
yeah.
H
I'm
gonna
guess
that
my
hard
to
read
page
number
is
51..
I
just
see
the
very
top
of
the
number,
but
it's
non-departmental
operating
resource
requirement
and
it
lists
a
number
of
revenues.
Hydro
dividends,
provincial
offenses
act,
red
light,
camera,
automated
speed
enforcement,
Rito
Carlin,
Raceway,
Lottery
fees
for
the
automated
speed
enforcement
line.
H
M
H
V
Thank
you.
Your
worship
and
I'd
like
to
thank
staff
for
the
in-depth
work
that
they've
undertaken
on
this
budget
and
also
for
to
my
colleagues
for
asking
a
wide
array
of
exhaustive
questions
that
have
really
pointed
out
some
of
the
the
issues
in
this
budget
and
and
has
really
some
of
the
questions
that
I
was
going
to
ask.
But
I
do
have
one
in
that
revolves
around
the
business
and
Technical
Support
Services
item
in
the
planning
real
estate
and
economic
development
office
is
operating
budget.
M
V
Q
Q
Thanks
very
much
so
I
I
wanted
to
just
walk
through
this
a
little
bit
because
the
the
service
review
has
has
been
tabled
and
obviously
it's
a
bit
different
than
what
we
were
originally
considering
at
Council.
One
of
the
principles
that
came
up
was
the
otter,
General's
involvement
during
those
discussions.
F
O
Q
I
think
you
know
where,
where
we
said
that
that's
what
we
had
wanted
previously
and
I
I
do
have
some
concerns
about
her
not
being
involved.
The
other
concerns
I,
guess
that
exist
within
this
report.
For
me,
are
the
big
idea
seems
to
be
contracting
out
or
more
p3s.
That
seems
to
be
the
big
idea
in
in
these
documents
and
what
we're
lining
up
for
and
so
principle,
four
states.
Q
F
That's
not
necessarily
the
focus
that
we're
looking
at
here,
counselor
in
terms
of
the
framework
that
we
have
before
you
and
the
principles,
it's
really
around
challenging
ourselves
in
terms
of
how
we
do
our
business
and
that
challenge
can
take
many
functions.
As
you
know,
it's
looking
at
the
processes,
I
think
process.
Mapping
is
huge
in
terms
of
how
we
do
things,
how
we
approach
things
are
we
doing
them
the
most
efficiently
and
then
putting
those
ideas
forward
to
the
committee
to
say:
here's
what
we've
looked
at?
F
Q
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
I
mean
that's
more
in
line
with
what
I
was
comfortable,
seeing
as
that
type
of
review,
I,
just
I'm,
not
seeing
it
as
reflected
in
the
document
as
I
I
guess,
would
be
helpful
and
I
think
I'll
work
with
staff
on
a
motion
for
Council,
but
just
to
highlight
some
of
the
issues
that
I'm
seeing
the
service
delivery
options
for
consideration
are
internal,
as
is
internal
re-engineering,
manage
competition,
Contracting
out
and
p3s.
Q
That's
what
the
report
States
and
so
one
of
the
big
savings
that
we
may
potentially
have
with
this
term
of
council
is
actually
not
listed
here,
which
is
I,
guess,
p3s,
that
we
were
running
through
the
Sip
program
and
through
Brownfield
program
representing
tens
of
millions
and
more
of
dollars
in
a
pipeline
into
the
future.
Those
sorts
of
things
should
also
be
I,
think
highlighted
in
the
principles
and
that
that
would
be
more
of
a
change
to
a
current
P3
and
looking
at
a
different
type
of
In-House
model.
Q
F
That's
correct:
we
we
would
look
at
everything
and
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
I'm
going
to
say
a
bit
of
a
grocery
list
in
terms
of
some
of
the
things
that
we
think
we
could
hit,
that
are
larger
items
to
bring
those
forward
to
the
committee.
To
start
with,
remember
this
is
going
to
take
us
through
the
term
of
council.
It's
going
to
take
us
some
time
time
to
get
through
this,
but
we
do
plan
to
take
a
look
at
everything.
Q
The
other
piece
that
they
had
mentioned
is
around
the
commercial
confidentiality
used
to
justify
secrecy
that
occurs
with
these
programs
and
I.
Remember
asking
for
information
in
this
P3
and
couldn't
get
it
because
of
that
commercial
confidentiality
and
then.
Finally,
the
report
found
that
deloitte's
report
did
not
fully
consider
the
disadvantages
associated
with
P3
model
for
the
delivery
of
the
LRT
and
that
the
downsides
were
not
thoroughly
analyzed
and
so
I
don't
want
to
get
into
a
situation
where
we're
Contracting
out.
Q
P3
is
more
city
services,
where
we
just
have
a
very
important
LRT
reporting
us
in
front
of
us.
That
says
we
should
be
really
considering
these
these
types
of
risks.
So
if,
if
if
I
can
mare,
I
just
want
to
ask
have
to
work
with
me
and
Advance,
a
council
to
I,
guess,
ameliorate,
some
of
the
documents
that
have
been
put
forward
to
make
sure
we're
it's
a
breadth
of
options.
Q
N
Thank
you
very
much.
I
just
wanted
to
go
back
on
on
Surplus
lands
and
see
if
I
understand
you
mentioned
answering
a
previous
question
about
some
of
the
General
Revenue
goes
to
housing.
How
is
it
treated
if
the
actual
Surplus
land
is
used
for
housing?
How
do
you
do
that
on
the
books?
Is
that
a
contribution,
for
example,
if
it's
near
Transit
and
it's
ideal
for
affordable
housing?
How
is
that
treated.
P
N
P
M
That
is
correct,
yeah,
yeah,
Mr
Mayor,
just
for
a
little
bit
of
clarity.
So
if
it's
a
million
dollars,
it
wouldn't
be
a
cash
transaction.
If
we
quasi
give
it
to
the
amount
of
value,
so
we
wouldn't
collect
a
million
and
put
it
through
the
housing.
It
would
actually
be
considered
at
the
fair
market
value
directly
to
the
housing,
affordability.
N
Okay,
but
that
okay,
that's
what's
generally
done,
okay,
that's
what
I
wanted
to
understand
and
I
understand
it's
on
the
books
and
it's
not
really
a
cash
transaction.
I
just
wanted
to
understand.
If
we,
you
know
just
swallow
it
or
we,
we
say
that
that's
the
contribution
to
affordable
housing
and
the
reason
I
want
to
know
is
because
we're
we
have
15
million
that
we're
putting
to
affordable
housing
and
is
that
counted
into
it.
M
T
Thank
you
and
sorry
counselor
King,
it's!
It
is
a
bit
exhaustive,
but
just
you
can
blame
counselor
Menard,
because
he
brought
in
the
service
review
framework
here
and
so
now.
I've
got
just
a
couple
more
questions
and
because
I'm
on
Zoom
I
can
really
see
the
reactions
to
what's
happening
right
now.
Very.