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Finance and Economic Development Committee meeting – March 9, 2020 – Audio Stream
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
A
Good
morning,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
and
welcome
to
fedko
for
the
9th
of
march
twenty
twenty
billion
annual
Fed
Cup
will
enough
mouse
van
just
so.
Members
of
council
and
committee
are
clear:
we're
dealing
first
with
the
regular
fedko
agenda
this
morning
at
9:00
a.m.
and
then
we
have
a
special
council
meeting
that
will
take
place
at
1:30
p.m.
or
15
minutes
after
this
fedko
meeting.
Whichever
comes
first
and
following
the
special
council
meeting
one
half
hour
after
the
special
council
meeting,
we'll
have
the
special
fedko
meeting.
A
So
we
have
three
meetings
and
that's
the
the
timetable.
I
also
want
to
take
a
moment
to,
on
your
behalf,
to
express
our
condolences
to
councilor
hubely
and
the
loss
of
his
mother.
Our
sympathies
Alan
declaration
of
interests,
confirmation
of
minutes
at
dusk,
on
adoption,
the
process
available,
pool
cat
febri,
a
new.
C
A
Agreeable
buried,
it's
finance
services,
direction,
generally,
service
diffidence,
2019
statement
of
remuneration
benefits
and
expenses
paid
to
members
of
council
and
the
council.
Pointees
received
innovation,
client
services,
silvus,
novotel,
pool
of
clientele
legal
services,
comprehensive
legal
services
report
for
the
period
July
1st
to
December
31st
2019
cap
also
has
a
service
Judique
for
the
period
the
premier,
o
Conte
and
disarm,
but
a
de
midi
sniff
carried
received,
I'm
sorry
office
of
the
city
clerk.
D
Do
mr.
mayor,
this
is
where,
as
the
report
for
the
application
for
approval
to
expropriate
lands,
Montrell
road,
revitalization
project
phase,
2
recommends
initiation
of
the
phase
2
of
expropriation
proceedings
for
the
montreal
road
revitalization
project
by
seeking
approval
of
the
making
of
an
application,
pursuant
to
section
4
of
the
expropriations
act
for
approval
to
expropriate
property
interests
that
are
required
for
purposes
of
the
Montrell
road,
revitalization
project
and
whereas
document
1
contains
a
draft
by
law
authorizing
the
making
of
an
application
for
approval
to
expropriate
property
interest
for
the
purposes
of
the
Montrell
road.
D
Revitalization
project,
whereas
the
second
paragraph
in
the
draft
bylaw
refers
to
bus
stops
in
two
instances
and
should
also
refer
to
bus
shelters
and
whereas,
due
to
a
clerical
error,
two
sketches
describing
property
interests
listed
in
schedule.
A
of
the
draft
by
law
were
in
averted,
Lee,
omitted
and
Schedule
B
of
the
draft.
Bylaw
and
document
1
therefore
be
resolved
that
the
Finance
and
Economic
Development
Committee,
recommend
council
1,
add
the
words
and
shelters
in
the
two
instances.
A
Ok,
so
that's
the
technical
amendment
by
councilor
dude
asks
on
the
motion
carried
on
the
report.
As
amendment
carried
economic
development
and
long-range
planning
develop
mark
anomic,
a
de
planificación
long
term,
soundstage
campus
and
creative
hub
loan
agreement
are
called
up
red
and
a
complex
creative
to
the
studio
to
tone.
We
have
many
delegations
on
that.
So
we'll
come
back
to
that.
A
Excuse
me
film,
by
law,
regular
mall
municipal,
solid
tonnage.
We
have
Carol.
Do
we
have
a
presentation
or
we
have?
We
do
have
a
presentation
on
us
so
we'll
come
back
to
that
as
well.
It's
on
the
by
long
planning
service
is
Silvester.
Planificación
brownfield
grant
program,
application,
1545,
Bank
Street
councillor
Cloutier
has
a
motion,
I
believe
counselor
Massey.
E
Be
sure
in
math,
Thank
You,
mr.
mayor
and
under
report
for
the
brownfield
grant
program,
application
1545
Bank,
the
financial
implications
section
of
the
report
was
omitted
and
there
the
motion
is
that,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
finance
economic
development
committee
recommend
Council
at
the
following
paragraph
to
the
financial
implications
section
of
the
report.
I
could
read
it
if
you
wish
the
maximum
grant
under
the
2015
brownfield
redevelopment.
Community
Improvement
Plan
program
is
160
1345.
In
addition,
the
estimated
municipal
leadership
strategy
contribution
is
thirty.
E
Six
thousand
nine
hundred
and
forty
four
a
total
requirement
of
a
hundred
ninety
and
285
budget
Authority
requirements
will
be
brought
forward
through
the
annual
budget
process
development
charges
of
a
hundred
and
forty
two
thousand
two
hundred
ninety
are
eligible
for
deferral.
Under
the
development
charge,
deferral
program
deferred
DC's
would
be
subject
to
interest
so.
A
A
And
then
we
have
one
in-camera
item
that
we'll
go
to
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
So
we'll
go
back
to
our
first
item
that
has
delegates
members
of
the
public
to
come
and
speak
to
us.
That's
item
ten
sound
stage
campus
and
creative
hub
agreement,
I
called
the
fair
play
of
a
complex,
creative
ADA
studio
to
tone
ash.
A
F
A
F
F
There
has
been
considerable
growth
in
Ontario's,
film
and
television
industries
in
recent
years
in
2019
production
levels,
increased
fifteen
percent
to
two
point:
one:
six
billion
dollars
with
close
to
forty
five
thousand
people
employed
in
the
sector
and
increases
seventy
five
hundred
new
jobs
in
the
past
year
alone.
In
recognition
of
this
growth,
a
new
ministers,
film
and
television
advisory
panel
was
recently
established
by
the
Ontario
government
to
advise
on
opportunities
to
support
and
grow
the
provinces,
film
and
television
industries.
F
Even
further
Minister
McLeod
in
remarks
related
to
the
advisory
panel
announcement
highlighted
the
significant
impact
of
the
sector
on
the
economy,
jobs
and
cultural
identity.
In
order
to
fully
realize
this
economic
growth
potential
Ontario
needs
more
sound
stages
which
deliver
controlled
environments,
separate
from
other
adjacent
land
uses
where
productions
can
take
place
24
hours
a
day
without
disturbing
or
interacting
with
neighboring
land
uses
in
terms
of
noise,
vibration,
glare
and
truck
access.
F
Ottawa's,
film,
television
and
animation
sector
is
already
contributing
significantly
to
the
local
economy,
providing
hundreds
of
skilled
jobs
and
creating
profile
for
our
city
across
Canada
and
around
the
world.
However,
there
is
clear
opportunity
to
capitalize
on
Ottawa's
numerous
attributes
and
advantages
to
increase
the
size
and
impact
of
the
film
television
and
animation
sector
locally,
specifically
our
safe
and
stable
work
environment,
our
low
cost
of
doing
business
relative
to
other
major
cities,
a
crew
base
working
in
both
official
languages
post
secondary
film
training
programs.
F
The
Ottawa
Film,
Office
and
tri
Bros
studios
have
partnered
on
the
development
of
a
soundstage
campus
and
creative
hub
on
an
8.4
hectare.
Parcel
of
land
at
the
NC
sees
Greenbelt
research
firm
phase.
One
of
the
project
includes
420
thousand
square-foot,
sound
stages,
25,000
square
feet
of
workshops,
50,000
square
feet
of
production
office,
space
to
be
sublease,
longer-term
for
production
companies,
postgraduate
training,
creative
industries,
co-working
space.
F
As
noted
in
the
staff
report,
the
Ottawa
film
office
is
a
not-for-profit
organization
with
the
mandate
to
foster
the
growth
and
development
of
the
local
film
industry
and
promote
the
region
within
the
screen
based
media
sector.
Their
partner,
Tri
Bros
studios
is
an
experienced
production
studio
company
that
has
been
operating
a
200,000
square
foot
soundstage
facility
in
Toronto
at
capacity
since
opening
in
2014.
F
The
Ottawa
film
office
has
made
significant
progress
on
the
soundstage
campus
and
creative
hub
project
over
the
past
18
months.
They
have
successfully
navigated
negotiations
with
the
NCC
to
secure
a
site
at
the
Greenbelt
research
firm
and
are
now
engaged
in
the
review
process
to
obtain
federal
land
use,
design
approval,
the
NCC
board
and
City
Council
have
approved
policy
and
bylaw
amendments
to
create
the
required
alignment
to
permit
the
project
to
move
forward.
F
There
are
clear
financial
and
economic
reasons.
The
city
should
consider
supporting
the
project
by
providing
a
loan
and
uplift
in
property
taxes,
obviously
development
charges
and
building
permit
fees
and
the
eventual
elimination
of
city
funding,
support
to
the
Ottawa
film
office,
based
on
anticipated
lease
revenue
to
the
ofö
from
Triboro.
F
In
addition,
there
will
be
significant
economic
impact
associated
with
both
the
construction
and
ongoing
operation
of
the
soundstage
campus
and
creative
hub,
including
approximately
400,
temporary
construction
jobs
and
approximately
40
million
dollars
in
new
economic
activity
within
the
first
few
years
of
studio
operations
and
more
than
400
new
full-time
jobs.
It's
important
to
highlight
that
all
of
these
benefits
will
be
realized
at
no
cost
to
Ottawa
taxpayers
and
beyond
the
purely
financial
and
economic
impact
of
the
project.
The
sound
stage
campus
in
creative
hub
will
deliver
additional
city
building
benefits.
F
A
2016
study
conducted
by
the
bar
Haven
BIA
identified
a
film
and
television
soundstage
as
a
key
potential
contributor
to
economic
growth
in
the
south
end
of
our
city.
The
project
will
support
the
distribution
of
employment
activity
outside
of
the
downtown
core
and
create
a
new
employment
node
along
the
planned
stage.
Three
LRT
wrote.
F
Another
key
project
benefit
is
the
opportunity
to
support
the
new
film
and
media
production
program
at
Algonquin
College
and
the
extended
program
at
la
CK.
Finally,
increased
sector
profile
resulting
from
the
new
soundstage
campus
and
creative
hub
will
help
attract
and
retain
industry
talent
in
companies
and
grow
Ottawa's
reputation
as
a
cultural
and
creative
destination.
F
It
is
also
important
to
note
the
staff
report
recommendations,
support
councils,
new
strategic
priorities
approved
in
January
of
this
year,
in
particular
the
economic
growth
and
diversification
term
of
council
action,
which
outlines
support
for
the
Ottawa
film
office
in
delivering
a
sound
stage
campus
and
creative
hub.
Let's
turn
our
attention
to
the
proposed
loan
agreement.
F
Section
107
of
the
Municipal
Act
2001
provides
that
the
city
may
make
a
grant
in
the
form
of
a
loan
to
an
organisations
such
as
the
Ottawa
film
office,
for
any
purpose
that
council
considers
to
be
in
the
interests
of
the
municipality
disbursement
of
loan.
Funds
to
the
Ottawa
film
office
would
be
managed
by
the
city
and
based
on
the
achievement
of
city
approved,
milestone,
progressed
targets.
F
The
loan
would
be
fully
guaranteed
by
triple
group.
Tribe
rose
parent
company
and
secured
with
a
significant
letter
of
credit.
The
Ottawa
Film
Office
would
own
the
facility
and
sublease
it
to
try
bro
to
operate.
Try
bro
would
be
able
to
acquire
ownership
of
the
facility
for
a
nominal
amount
once
loan
principal
and
interest
was
fully
repaid
prior
to
recommending
proceeding
with
a
loan
to
the
Ottawa
film
office.
Economic
development
services
requested
a
business
case
from
the
ofö
to
demonstrate
overall
project
feasibility.
F
We
engaged
a
consultant
to
review
the
business
case
and
provide
an
opinion
on
general
thoroughness
and
project
feasibility.
The
consultant,
determined
the
assumptions
and
operating
pro
formas
contained
in
the
business
case,
were
reasonable.
Further.
The
consultant
highlighted
that
a
significant
risk
mitigation
factor
is
the
guarantee
of
loan
principal
and
interest
payments
to
the
city
by
triple
group.
The
consultant
found
triple
group
to
have
a
real
estate
asset
base,
far
exceeding
the
proposed
loan,
which
reduces
cash
flow
and
investment
risk
to
the
city.
F
As
you
consider
this
opportunity,
we
hope
you
will
reflect
on
the
extensive
financial,
economic
and
cultural
benefits
to
the
corporation
and
the
city
in
proceeding
with
loan
financing
for
the
sound
stage
campus
and
creative
hub
to
ensure
we
are
able
to
capitalize
on
the
substantial
growth
in
the
screen-based
sector
as
quickly
as
possible.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
you
very
much.
Cindy
for
a
great
presentation
like
I
said
we're
gonna
hold
the
question
for
staff
for
after
delegation.
We
do
have
ten
delegation
and
we
start
with
Katherine
gallery,
chair
of
our
film
office
and
I.
Think
you
have
a
presentation
and
you
have
five
minutes.
Please
followed
by
Bernie
ash
member
of
the
board
of
director
of
our
film
office.
H
Development
Committee
councillors,
city
staff,
industry,
our
board
members
and
members
of
the
public
I'm
Catherine
calorie
and
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
board
for
the
Ottawa
film
office.
Thanks
for
taking
the
time
to
hear
from
us
today,
I'm
pleased
to
kick
off
the
presentation
that
that
our
delegation
will
offer
and
provide
some
context
of
the
Ottawa
film
offices,
mission,
governance
structure
and
overall
strategic
direction.
I
H
Established
under
new
leadership
of
Bruce
Harvey
in
2017,
with
a
new
board
of
directors,
to
provide
a
strategic
direction
for
the
organization.
The
vision
and
mission
were
synthesized
in
our
strategic
plan,
which
is
2018
to
2023.
So
we
find
ourselves
now
in
year.
3
of
that,
and
that
strategic
plan
sees
the
production
industry
in
Ottawa
as
a
true
economic
driver
for
the
city
that
intersects
with
many
other
sectors
of
our
economy
and
increases
the
prominence
of
both
the
city
and
the
National
Capital
Region
as
a
full-service
production
destination,
la
misión
gbo
mission.
H
H
The
strength
of
the
Board
of
Directors
is
the
diversity
of
its
makeup,
allowing
the
film
office
to
gain
insights
from
other
sectors
such
as
tourism,
post-secondary,
education,
entertainment
and
sport,
the
music
industry,
business
interests
and
the
long
term
visions
of
both
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
the
National
Capital
Commission,
to
name
a
few.
This
board
works
in
tandem
with
the
film
and
TV
Advisory
Committee,
which
has
proceeded
our
board,
our
film
board
and
of
which
two
members
hold
seats
on
our
board
of
directors
combined.
H
To
achieve
these
pillars,
we
envision
the
ofö
playing
a
role
within
multiple
projects
related
to
workforce
development,
mentorship
advocacy,
reputation,
building
and
sector
alignment
at
many
levels
of
the
industry
from
growing
the
skills
of
those
just
starting
out
to
promoting
the
well-established
players.
I
won't
steal
the
thunder
from
the
other
colleagues
who
will
speak
after
me
about
the
importance
of
the
sound
stage
to
all
of
these
focus
areas.
But
I
will
say
this
with
the
city
of
Ottawa's
desire
to
foster
knowledge-based
industries
and
innovation.
H
I
H
A
E
You
mr.
mayor
no
question,
but
just
to
thank
madam
calorie
for
her
incredible
dedication
and
visionary
leadership
of
the
Ottawa
film
office.
Hopefully
we
will
will
pass
this
and
and
item
11
is
a
film
by
law
that
I
hope.
We
will
also
pass
this
on
the
eve
of
a
new
new
economic
development
in
our
country
and
in
this
very
important
industry.
So,
through
that
same
time,
at
MSC,
madam
caliber
I.
A
J
You,
mr.
mayor
good
morning,
Bonjour
mr.
mayor
and
city
councillors,
as
you
heard,
my
name
is
Bernie
Ashe
I'm
a
volunteer
member
of
the
board
of
directors
of
the
Ottawa
film
office,
I'm
pleased
to
be
here
to
support
the
development
of
a
sound
stage
in
I've
experienced
as
a
board
member
and
executive
in
several
major
development
projects
in
Ottawa.
I
was
a
board
member
at
the
Shaw
Center
during
their
successful
redevelopment
and
more
recently,
as
the
mayor
stated,
I
was
the
CEO
of
Oh
sake
during
the
redevelopment
of
Lansdowne
park
at
ofö.
J
We
have
a
strong
board
with
diverse
industry
experience.
They
represent
the
film
and
animation
industry,
the
music
industry
and
local
colleges.
My
personal
focus,
however,
is
as
chair
of
the
soundstage
subcommittee
of
the
board.
Since
this
project
began,
I
have
provided
direction
and
guidance
in
negotiations
between
the
film
office
and
Triborough.
I
was
also
involved
in
the
development
of
the
soundstage
campus
and
creative
hub
business
case
that
was
prepared
by
the
film
office
staff.
J
Once
we
proceed
to
construction,
I
will
provide
ongoing
board
level
oversight
to
ensure
we
have
a
successful
construction
phase,
I'm,
confident
that
our
ofö
Board
and
Bruce
Harvey
or
film
Commissioner
have
negotiated
smart,
fair
deals
with
all
parties,
including
the
city,
the
NCC
and
Triborough.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
K
K
In
fact,
I've
been
running
a
production
company
in
production
service
company
here
in
Ottawa,
and
have
had
the
opportunity
to
witness
the
growth
of
the
industry,
the
challenges
that
we
have
in
the
industry
in
Ottawa
being
in
between
and
in
betwixt,
if
you
will
Toronto
and
Montreal
and
how
that
can
be
challenging
for
growth
of
cultural
industry
at
film
Intel.
An
animation.
K
But
I
can
say
that
with
incredible
optimism
that
we
have
really
seen
a
turnaround
in
the
business
area
and
growth
of
the
industry
over
the
last
four
to
five
years,
and
it's
it's
been
quite
significant.
The
overall
industry
in
Ontario
is
growing
and
I
wanted
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
Advisory
Committee.
To
say
that
the
industry
as
a
whole
in
the
advisory
committee
is
some
20
plus
participants
from
both
the
animation
film
and
television
businesses.
K
The
industry
as
a
whole
supports
this
initiative,
sees
it
as
a
very
important
and
a
very
critical
step,
and
in
fact
it's
a
real
game-changer.
If
you
will
so
there
is
broad
industry
support.
The
creation
of
the
creative
hub
will
provide
access
as
well
to
all
members
of
the
community.
There's
a
lot
of
not
so
much
specifically
in
the
business
but
Alton
cultural
industries
and
support
groups
like
saw
video
if
Co
other
organizations
that
will
benefit
from
this
Center
and,
of
course,
the
college's
City
collegial
and
Algonquin
College.
K
K
As
I
said,
it's
a
real
game-changer.
It
contributes
significantly
to
ensuring
economic
diversification,
not
only
within
the
city's
overall
economic
environment,
but
that
of
the
industry.
Many
cities
and
regions
in
Canada
Ontario
in
North
America
compete
to
attract
film
and
television
as
they
realize.
The
significant
economic
benefits
to
film
and
television
dollars
that
come
in
to
pay
for
productions
really
are
a
hundred
percent
of
those
dollars
come
in
from
outside
of
the
region,
and
that's
all
new
money
that
comes
in
and
so
that
the
economic
yes
benefit
of
that
is
quite
significant.
K
The
new
stones
Sage
allows
for
a
whole
new
sector
of
the
entertainment
business
to
come
in
as
well,
so
we're
talking
about
not
just
an
increase
in
business
with
respect
to
the
current
film
and
television
production
that's
going
on,
but
it
opens
up
a
whole
new
sector,
which
is
the
dramatic
side
and
what
we've
all
seen
I'm
sure
some
of
you
do
tend
to
watch
Netflix
and
Amazon
and
non
Canadian
production.
But
there
is
a
huge
growth
in
dramatic
television
series
and
to
be
able
to
work
in
that
area.
K
A
I
Morning
you
have
five
minutes
in
or
in
English
or
French
in
French
good
morning,
mayor
members
of
the
board,
the
people
of
Oregon
I'm,
a
Manny
Pia
da
hippie
chair
company,
which
is
called
slalom,
a
resident
of
Ottawa
I'm
involved
in
production
I've
been
so
in
25
years.
I
study
now
I'm
also
chair
of
the
City
Board
I'm.
Here
to
talk
about
my
industry,
which
is
mostly
french-speaking
television
production.
You
probably
saw
us
on
the
streets
with
big
trucks
we
block
streets.
I
We
also
shot
a
lot
in
a
former
one
dollar
stores
in
shopping
centers
for
five
years,
I
rented
the
premises
56.
We
have
to
be
very
innovative
and
very
daring
in
our
choices,
because
we
don't
have
access
through
a
specific
space.
We
are
in
the
process
of
discussing
this.
This
is
taking
shape.
I,
think
it's
a
wonderful
opportunity
for
the
City
of
Ottawa
I
think
that
it
will
also
be
beneficial
to
our
students.
We
have
very
strong
programs
at
the
city,
a
collisional
or
at
Algonquin
College.
I
We
also
have
universities
who
have
communications
and
journalism
and
writing
programs.
It
would
be
a
wonderful
opportunity
for
the
City
of
Ottawa
to
be
yeah
investing
in
this
project.
We
call
this
creative
hub
in
French.
What
we
shouldn't
forget
is
that
we
should
be
able
to
adjust
the
project
to
various
economic
realities.
I
English
speakers
don't
have
the
same
of
budgets
as
francophones
of
members
of
the
original
communities,
so
it
would
be
important
so
that
we
can
important
to
be
able
to
tell
about
our
culture
about
language
and
to
be
able
to
de
to
strengthen
our
cultural
identity.
So,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much.
Are
there
any
questions?
Thank
you.
Well,
the
our
next
speaker
will
be
claude
boule
from
it's
a
wonderful
thing
that
our
two
colleges
are
working
together
and
for
the
member
of
the
council
and
for
the
public.
I
We
had
a
breakfast
celebrating
the
francophone
community
and
we
will
have
highlights
so
that
the
four
chairs
of
the
committee,
mr.
Baca
mr.
Brule
Elizabeth
Shaw
and
the
president
of
the
University
of
Ottawa
are
for
French
speakers.
So
it's
the
first
time
in
our
history
that
we
were
celebrating
this.
So
mr.
Polly,
the.
L
L
Our
mandate,
as
well
as
that
of
all
Ontario
colleges,
is
to
offer
a
comprehensive
set
of
programs
of
curry,
oriented,
post-secondary
education
and
training
to
assist
individuals
in
finding
and
keeping
employment
to
meet
the
needs
of
employers
and
the
changing
work
environment
and
to
support
the
economic
and
social
needs
of
their
local
and
diverse
communities.
In
Ottawa
we
have
a
growing
film
and
media
production
industry
that
supports
local
crews.
Our
School
of
Media
and
Design
at
Algonquin
College
is
introducing
a
new
film
and
media
program.
L
This
September
to
meet
the
needs
and
interest
of
students
in
our
region
and
to
develop
the
well-trained
production
crew.
The
industry
needs
to
flourish
in
order
to
continue
to
grow
this
important
local
sector
Ottawa
needs
a
purpose-built
ound
stage.
The
proposed
Triborough
sound
stage
is
conveniently,
as
mr.
mayor
noted,
located
3
kilometres
from
Algonquin
College,
making
this
an
ideal
partnership
opportunity
for
our
learners
and
our
faculty.
L
Algonquin
College
has
held
initial
discussions
about
co-locating
our
new
film
and
media
production
program
on
site
at
the
sound
stage,
and
it's
an
important
point
of
differentiation
for
this
program,
which
already
is
becoming
very
popular.
This
colocation
will
allow
students
from
our
region
to
be
immersed
in
a
creative
environment
that
will
support
and
advance
their
learning.
The
sound
stage
location
will
enhance
theory
by
providing
opportunities
for
graduating
students
to
have
co-op
placements
internship
and
participation
in
real-world
environment,
making
graduates
more
employable.
L
This
new
facility
will
create
more
films
and
series
and
therefore
create
opportunities
for
these
new
graduates
to
start
their
career.
In
this
booming
industry.
With
over
50
creative
skill
and
enthusiastic
graduates
joining
the
workforce
each
year
we
will
get
to
stay
to
work
and
live
in
Ottawa,
rather
than
leave
Ottawa
to
go
to
Toronto,
Montreal
or
Vancouver.
Finally,
we
regularly
hear
that
Ottawa's
animation
industry
needs
talented
staff.
In
order
to
take
on
more
projects,
companies
have
been
asking
us
to
grow
our
successful
animation
program,
but
we
don't
have
sufficient
space
at
our
Ottawa
campus
phase.
L
Two
of
our
partnership
with
Triboro
is
to
consider
moving
our
animation
program
to
the
sound
stage
where
we
could
expand
our
footprint
and
produce
more
graduates.
For
these
reasons,
I'm
proud
to
be
here
today
on
behalf
of
Algonquin
College,
to
speak
in
support
of
the
sound
stage
as
we
all
work
together
to
make
Ottawa
a
thriving
center
for
film
and
media
production,
Thank
You.
Mr.
mayor
members
of
the
committee
for
your
time
and
consideration
of
seppuku
mr.
B
B
Gemma
yep
at
leader
do
I'd
like
to
talk
about
two
things
which
are
important
for
our
industry.
First
of
all,
the
support
or
the
benefit
for
the
two
colleges
Algonquin
College
and
our
College,
as
well
through
the
construction
of
this
new
center
part
I
talk
to
you
about
how
the
college
can
support
the
industry
through
this
new
infrastructure.
First
of
all,
I'm
very
pleased
that
you
mentioned
in
cooperation
between
our
two
colleges
we
are
indeed
linked
together
are
our
two
institutions.
Our
parts
are
of
the
ofö
board
and
I.
Think
it's
clear
really.
B
That
of
the
building
of
the
sound
stage
campus
will
support
to
the
expansion
of
this
industry,
which
is
important
for
our
students
and
expanding
our
programs
at
Algonquin
College
Center,
College,
LA
City.
It
will
also
support
other
programs
in
other
institutions
that
we
don't
tend
to
mention
very
much.
There
are
many
students
in
this
area.
It's
six
growing.
Several
of
them
will
be
able
to
stay
here
to
work
in
in
companies
like
a
slalom
to
CT.
For
example,
our
graduates
are
all
bilingual
and
they
are
able
to
support
the
industry
as
well.
B
However,
some
must
move
away.
They
must
move
away
to
major
centres
like
Toronto
and
Montreal,
and
we're
very
very
pleased
to
be
able
to
support
the
Ontario
industry
overall.
What
would
be
even
more
pleased
if
our
students
were
able
to
stay
in
Ottawa,
one
of
the
ways
of
enabling
that
is
to
build
a
sound
stage?
The
center
stage
campus
it
allowed
students
to
build
their
careers
here
in
Ottawa
and
to
benefit
the
industry
as
a
whole
and
Ottawa.
B
Also,
so
both
of
our
colleges
support
the
industry,
and
we
will
support
this
industry
through
our
programs,
which
continue
to
to
grow
through
additional
infrastructure.
I'd
like
to
talk
to
the
other
areas
that
are
represented
at
college
ICT,
which
will
also
experience
additional
support
through
the
increased
infrastructure,
for
example,
all
those
professions
that
will
be
necessary
for
major
and
smaller
productions,
administrative
workers
or
specialized
trades
construction,
electricity
engineering,
the
wrong
represented
at
the
college.
B
A
Is
Alka
Sharma
president
Ottawa
music
industry
coalition
and
we
thank
Erin
and
and
Alka
for
their
great
work
with
councilor
leaper.
We
had
a
great
announcement
last
week
about
music
here
at
City
Hall,
and
we
appreciate
your
cooperative
approach.
The
floor
is
yours,
speak
loud.
Please
we'll
just
push
that
button
there.
Oh.
N
N
As
president
of
the
Ottawa
music
industry
coalition,
we
are
in
support
of
the
being
built,
as
it
will
provide
an
economic
impact
for
not
only
in
the
City
of
Ottawa,
but
also
for
the
artists
of
Ottawa.
The
artists
will
have
an
opportunity
to
apply
to
have
their
music
in
the
films
and
TV
shows
that
we'd
be
that
would
be
filmed
and
produced
here
in
Ottawa.
This
is
a
very
important
aspect
to
support
the
musicians
and
the
community.
N
A
A
K
You
worship
know
no
danger
of
me
being
a
leader
of
the
Liberal
Party
of
Ontario,
yes
I'm.
The
president
CEO
of
Ottawa
tourism,
on
behalf
of
auto
furs,
I'm
very
proud
to
be
here
to
reiterate
our
support
for
the
proposal
to
build
a
soundstage,
campus
and
creative
hub.
This
would
be
an
exciting
new
addition
to
Ottawa,
adding
depth
to
Ottawa's
economic
development
ecosystem
and
a
major
catalyst
to
the
to
the
capacity
of
Ottawa's
film
industry.
A
soundstage
in
Ottawa
would
attract
productions
that
would
otherwise
film
outside
the
province.
K
Productions
who
choose
Ottawa
at
their
filming
location
often
mean
large,
cast
and
crew
entourages
who
stay
in
our
city's
hotels
dine
in
our
restaurants
visit
our
attractions
during
their
free
time,
use
our
various
transportation
options
and
contribute
strongly
to
ottawa's
visitor
economy.
We
also
support
the
jobs
in
the
creative
sector
that
are
created
by
the
film
television
and
animation
community.
A
city
with
a
thriving
creative
community
is
almost
always
an
interesting
destination
for
people
to
visit.
K
We
look
forward
to
the
proposed
soundstage
campus
and
creative
hub
of
becoming
a
reality
for
Ottawa,
and
we
support
the
City
of
Ottawa
in
its
efforts
to
move
the
soundstage
forward
as
expeditiously
as
possible,
so
the
resulting
economic
activity,
creation
of
jobs
and
indirect
benefits
of
this
facility
will
be
experienced
by
residents
and
businesses
in
Ottawa
sooner
rather
than
later.
Thank
you.
A
O
O
You
know
I
just
wanted
to
come
here
and
show
my
support
for
all
the
others
that
are
here
for
their
support
on
this
project.
Essentially,
Triborough
opened
5
years
ago,
and
we've
been
busy
ever
since
our
expansion
plans
moved
on
to
Pickering,
where
we're
building
a
large
development
there
that
will
include
you,
know:
casino,
hotels,
restaurants
and
more
film
studios.
The
expansion
process
in
our
family
is
is
looking
at
growing.
The
film
industry
as
much
as
we
can
in
a
long-term
play.
Ottawa
came
in
to
the
picture
with
with
conversations
with
the
Ontario
Film
Authority.
O
Sorry
Ontario
film,
commissioner,
who
introduced
me
to
the
Ottawa
film
commissioner.
The
amount
of
support
that
came
out
of
this
city
was
substantial
enough,
where
we
looked
at
it
as
a
great
place
to
to
grow
the
industry.
There's
a
wonderful
industry
here
now,
one
of
the
key
factors
that's
missing
in
Ottawa
is
soundstages.
There
are
so
many
productions
that
are
coming
to
Ontario
and
why
Ottawa
is
not
one
of
them
as
a
major
spot
is
because
of
the
sound
States,
the
lack
of
sound
stages,
so
the
conversation
went
further
from
there.
O
We
are
looking
at
the
first
phase
of
the
studios
to
be
the
the
central
growth
of
the
studio
industry
here
and
hopefully
the
growth
will
be
substantial
enough,
where
Ottawa's
is
one
of
the
main
places
that
people
look
at.
It's
got
fantastic
locations,
incredible
people
that
are
here
great
crew
and-
and
you
know
really
without
the
sound
stages,
the
industry
already
has
a
substantial
number.
A
O
So
Netflix
has
been
with
us
for
the
last
two
years,
producing
their
television
series,
spinning
out
genie
and
Georgia
recently,
a
prior
to
that
we
had
shows
like
killjoys,
which
did
four
seasons
at
our
Studios
Canadian
production.
We
also
had
TBS's
people
of
earth
first,
so
those
of
you
who
don't
know
and
a-
and
he
did
a
TV
series
called
Damien,
which
did
really
well
as
well.
O
We
owe
not
only
offer
sound
stages.
We
also
offer
lockup
facilities,
carpentry
shops.
So,
for
example,
there's
a
TV
series
called
see
on
Netflix
on
Apple
TV
right
now,
that's
filming
in
Toronto.
They
built
their
their
sets
in
our
studios.
We
also
house
lock
up
spaces
for
working
moms,
American
Gods.
These
are
the
types
of
shows
that
utilize
the
space,
because
the
industry
itself
traditionally
as
a
landlord
in
industrial
properties.
You
know
we
look
for
long-term
tenants,
but
in
the
film
side
of
the
industry
we
we
understand
that.
O
Sometimes
they
only
need
it
for
six
months,
three
months,
five
months-
and
you
know
it's
hard
for
most
people
to
wanna
lock
those
types
of
tenants.
In
now
we
have
a
new
Netflix
series
coming
in
which
begins
in
in
June
and
we
hope
to
see
them
come
to.
You
know
second
season
third
season
and
growth
from
there,
but
we're
you
know
we're
at
capacity
in
Toronto,
so
we
are
doing
our
best
to
accommodate
as
best
we
can,
and
hopefully
Otto
will
be
the
next
place
that
we
move
quicker
on.
Thank.
A
P
A
P
Morning
mr.
mayor
members
of
council,
I
think
I
can
say
that
I've
dealt
with
almost
all
of
you
in
one
capacity
or
another,
as
the
film
commissioner
really
want
to
speak
to.
Why
why
this
project?
And
why
now
and
why
it's
important
to
us
and
give
a
context
that
is
understandable,
I
think
for
most
of
city
councillors
here
Ottawa
right
now,
I
want
to
focus
on
live
action
drama
where
we
do.
Last
year
we
had
a
record
year,
twenty
eight
and
a
half
million
dollars.
It's
growing
quite
considerably.
P
The
problem
with
being
based
in
a
TV
movie
industry
is
the
budgets
for
TV
movies
are
dwindling
when
I
was
doing
TV
movies
in
the
1990s.
My
budgets
were
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
to
do
a
TV
movie
for
a
lifetime.
Today,
it's
less
than
half
that
to
do
the
budget.
Contrary
to
that,
it's
the
exact
opposite
for
TV
dramatic
series,
where
dramatic
series
back
in
the
1990s
would
typically
have
a
budget
of
around
two
million
dollars
u.s.
today,
there's
one
shooting
in
Toronto
that
I'm
told
has
a
seventeen
million
u.s.
P
dollar
budget
per
episode
in
2012.
There
are
about
just
under
two
hundred
TV
serie
Matic
series
being
produced
from
the
United
States,
plus
the
ones
that
were
generated
in
Canada.
Now.
That
number
is
more
than
doubled,
as
most
counselors
know,
if
you
were
to
tell
your
residents
that
Tom
Selleck
was
coming
to
their
neighborhood,
most
be
pretty
excited,
tell
them
that
Tom
Selleck's
come
to
their
neighborhood
for
40
weeks
out
of
the
year
for
the
next
seven
years
and
he's
bringing
with
him
thirty
trucks
and
200
vehicles
for
his
cast
and
crew.
P
Probably
wouldn't
be
very
happy
about
that
and
I
know
that
you
know
I've
had
dealings
in
the
Glebe
in
that
Center
town
and
out
in
Westborough
in
particular.
We've
had
a
lot
lately
where
these
can
be
a
burden.
Tv
series
where
all
the
money
exists
require
a
lot
of
space
and
that's
why
they
built
a
TV,
sound
stages.
Right
now,
in
North
America
there
are
about
half,
as
many
sound
stages
are
required
for
the
existing
dramatic
series
that
are
being
produced
in
North
America.
P
So
what
that
means
is
that
people
are
scrambling
around
trying
to
find
whatever
warehouse
space
they
can,
whatever
old
grocery
stores
or
big-box
stores
they
can
find.
These
are
not
really
ideal
because
they
have
pillars
in
them
which
we
don't
like.
They
have
lower
ceilings
and
40
feet
which
we
don't
like
and
they're
not
sent
sound
attenuated.
So
the
idea
of
having
sound
stages
to
attract
business
is
what
is
really
desirable
for
us.
P
One
of
the
other
big
things
that
happen
to
us
is
that
we
had
someone
come
to
us
and
ask
about
building
a
soundstage
in
Ottawa.
It
wasn't
us
reaching
out
and
trying
to
find
someone
to
do
it
with
Triboro.
They
came
to
me
through
justin
cutler
at
the
province
and
so
that
they
were
very
excited
about
coming
to
Ottawa
I'm
building.
Here
they
understood
what
our
locations
look
like.
They
got
a
good
sense
of
what
our
crew
was
like
and
it
was
a
very
positive
right
from
day
one.
P
So
what
will
the
impact
of
a
TV
series
be?
If
you
look
at
these
numbers?
These
are
three
TV
series
from
across
Canada
and
trust
me.
These
aren't,
you
know,
cherry-pick
to
get
the
best
numbers,
but,
as
you
can
see
from
the
numbers
up
there,
the
dollars
that
come
from
one
TV
series
are
better
than
what
we
have
in
our
entire
live-action
production
going
in
Ottawa
right
today.
P
If
you
compare
shows
like
Star
Trek,
where
you
can
have
a
hundred
and
eighty
wardrobe
people
working
on
the
show
what
we
have
for
our
crew,
this
is
an
amazing
growth
opportunity
for
us.
The
other
thing
to
note
is
when
you
look
at
the
the
labor
numbers
there
versus
the
goods
and
services
number.
Those
goods
and
services
are
numbers
that
are
not
the
crew
and
cast
that's
lumber.
Car
rentals
hotel
rentals.
P
When
you
know,
when
you
watch
a
TV
series,
anything
that
exists
in
the
real
world
could
be
in
that
TV
series.
It
doesn't
matter
whether
it's
a
pen,
it
could
be
a
spaceship,
could
be
anything
and
all
of
those
things
have
to
be
purchased
from
the
community.
So
the
benefits
to
other
businesses
are
incredible.
P
These
are
just
a
few
numbers
of
what
shows,
when
an
episode
of
tv
series
cost
that
it's
getting
produced,
something
like
the
crown
which
is
in
the
10
million
dollar
range
down
to
the
Americans
four
million.
You
can
easily
see
how,
if
we
land
one
TV
series,
we
can
increase
our
production
in
Ottawa.
The
sound
stages
that
were
paired
up
proposing
can
handle
up
to
two
TV
series
at
the
same
time
and
more
than
than
two
a
year.
So
it's
a
big
growth
I'll
leave
it
at
that
and
answer
any
questions.
Should
you
have
them.
A
A
It
was
becoming
more
and
more
expensive
for
hotel
rooms,
catering
and
so
on,
and
what
what
really
impressed
me
was
the
fact
that
they
were
still
coming
here,
despite
substandard
facilities
and
you're,
saying
now
that
will
attract
more
because
the
cost
of
converting
an
old
fruit
store
is
significant,
as
opposed
to
a
purpose-built
studio,
sound
studio
that
we
need
that
will
bring
their
costs
down
and
will
make
us
even
more.
He
didn't
say
the
cheapest
place.
He
said
the
least
expensive,
and
they
have
to
look
at
their
bottom
lines
and
that
the
case.
P
So
the
the
biggest
cost
is
that
when,
when
TV
series
are
being
developed,
the
production
designers
doesn't
always
know
where
it's
going
to
be
shot
and
they
can
come
up
with
us.
You
can
imagine
a
world
that
doesn't
exist
anywhere
if
you
move
into
a
warehouse
and
try
and
accommodate
that
all
of
a
sudden,
the
design
has
to
change
to
accommodate
all
of
those
pillars
that
were
holding
the
roof
up
the
open
concept
of
a
soundstages.
P
This
is
40
feet
high,
it's
it
tend
to
be
20,000
square
feet
or
bigger,
with
not
one
pillar
in
the
room.
The
other
big
benefit
of
studio
shooting
today
is
that
they
have
green
screens
at
the
end
and
they're
able
to
extend
that
20,000
square
feet
into
the
full
universe
and
to
be
able
to
do
that
again,
you
can't
have
pillar
pillars
in
the
way
you
have
to
be
able
to
get
back
away
from
that
wall
and
shoot
for
the
extent
of
it.
So
it's
really
it's
quite
something.
P
You
know.
The
advantage
that
we
have
today
is
that
the
industry
is
growing
like
crazy
and
if
we
wait
a
year
or
two,
who
knows
how
many
new
sound
stages
will
be
built
in
Toronto.
Who
knows
how
many
we
built
in
Hamilton?
Will
you
hear
about
once
trying
to
be
built
in
Sudbury?
It's
an
opportunity
for
us
today
to
get
into
the
market
and
to
do
something
where
there's
huge
demand
for
it.
We
know
that
our
locations
are
the
probably
the
best
in
North
America.
We
know
that
our
crews
are
substantial.
P
I
I
I
I
We
are
called
by
javac
new
partner
pca,
look
construction,
actual
more
a
travail
avec
nous
a
Richard
Maxie
Roger
Richards
Oh
Keith
Kelly
pay
s
console
view,
holder,
cinema,
whiskey,
a
patent
area;
no,
no
patent
area.
You
ho
ho
Yong
the
medicinal
tower
rasul'allah
proprietary,
exclusive
dispatch,
Amari
kalalau,
whole
tribe,
o
nosso,
associate
a
decision.
He
buys
whatever
studio
news:
oh
no
illusio
a
over
loo-loo,
a
panic
at
home
and
Azam.
I
Louis
to
do
so,
Harkins
tree
cursor
press
record.
A
open
windows,
kappa
cos,
Savita
sense,
a
posse,
a
voltage,
Oh
Paula
villa
la
votación
ferret
have
a
hollow
VDC,
dota
WA
sa
computer
via
patent
era,
a
copper
Jenny
hidey-ho
set
devezin
continued
complete
souvenir
her
autonomic.
If
Katie
confi
on
otra
cosa,
dnesossi,
Impala,
ville,
sur
la
new
parameter,
waha
program,
the
development
of
la
formación
de
Fuca,
please
compile
affair
her
kvitko
finest,
my
actual
canoed
on
level
of
when
I
met,
nor
ever
see
la
ville.
Like
antique
trip.
I
Oh
don't
continue
to
become
proposed
la
la
auntie,
the
up
to
near
her
Lucas.
If
a
Lilu
visited
hey,
do
you
play
a
note?
Chivalric
abhor
no
mechanism.
As
for
more
I'm,
a
modern,
a
Sisyphean
su
sitio
position,
a
seizure,
Lu,
a
low,
complex,
creative,
Kayla,
Laguna
location
of
Italy
to
zoo,
Louie
Oh
criminals
are
not
look
at
the
principal
as
a
real
key
service.
Rg
do
syllabi
Java
Crescent
Avenue
kal-el
relation
retrieve,
Oh
lob
DC
on
a
negotiate
in
provinces
boxer.
I
They
have
new
net
a
tour
finest
Mahalo
Villa
rock
Lulu,
Principality
cetera
a
cool
episode.
A
solid,
a
lot
of
events
is
Poisson
day.
There
was
a
net
poetry,
boo,
kazoo,
verse,
a
OB
decir
una
Posse
DoCoMo,
a
controversy
for
full
a
deep
oceans.
A
nice
Jean
like
Anita
Park,
raha
venmo,
do
three
so
he'd
rip
on
da
SE,
ki,
sio
Escovedo
to
question
a
lot:
o
Soniya
javi,
no
Sutra
contra
su
contra
industry.
You
feel
it
at
Resort,
Park
of
edom
leader,
a
Canadian
wahala
porta,
potti,
Hey
Cesario
see
the
program
telefilm.
P
Well,
the
biggest
risk
for
the
Ottawa
film
industry.
The
government
is
committed
to
sustainable
tax
credit
system,
so
we
feeling
fairly
comfortable
there.
One
of
the
the
biggest
issues
we
had
was
the
ability
to
train
new
crew
and
our
office
has
been
working
very
diligently,
I
think
with
lacet
a
algonquin
all
the
union's
to
create
training
programs
to
build
our
crew
base,
the
job
fair
that
our
staff
puts
on
every
year
is
the
envy
of
Ontario
and
the
rest
of
Canada.
P
The
number
of
people
that
we
get
out
of
that
job,
fair,
is
is
not
match
anywhere
else
in
the
country.
So
there
is
a
big
demand
for
crew
to
come
in.
Here
we
have.
The
biggest
thing
is
infrastructure,
and
that
is
a
that
is
by
far
the
biggest
issue
that
we
have
that's
facing
us
today
and
what
I
would
say
when
you
look
at
the
dollar
and
you
look
at
the
subsidy
systems.
Yes,
those
are
critical
when
those
if
they
were
to
go
away.
P
J
A
Thank
you.
Sorry,
I,
just
I
wanted
to
clarify
I,
perhaps
misspoke
when
I
said
that
the
special
City
Council
meeting
will
be
at
1:30
or
15
minutes
after
the
adjournment.
Not
whatever
is
earlier.
So
it's
1:30
unless
this
meeting
goes
on
longer
it'll
be
15
minutes
after
the
end
of
the
meeting,
so
apologize
for
that.
Okay.
Q
Q
Q
Affordable
housing
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
you've
taken
a
look
at
where
crews
will
be
accommodated.
I
know
they'll,
be
here
for
sometimes
months,
maybe
and
shorter
periods
than
that.
What
what
are
we
looking
at?
Do
you
think,
in
terms
of
where
we're
going
to
people
are
going
to
be
able
to
live
rental,
accommodations,
shared
accomodations
hotels
like
can
you
pay
me
what
a
picture
first.
P
Thing
I
would
say
is
that
by
far
the
majority
of
people
will
be
Ottawa
residents-
oh
good,
that's
so
it!
This
is
not
it's
not
a
transient
workforce
industry!
It's
a
transient
industry,
in
fact
where
the
producers
go
and
where
the
the
star
talent
goes
from.
But
the
majority
of
the
the
people
working
on
the
film
sets
will
be
Ottawa
members
that
are
working
today.
People
from
lauda
wood
that
have
gone
to
other
centers
and
will
come
back
and
they'll
be
long-term.
P
We
don't
see
a
large
number
of
individuals
that
are
be
coming
and
going
on
each
of
these
productions
in
the
early
stages
that
will
be
more
coming
from
Toronto.
So
what
we
had
on
fat
men,
which
was
a
major
production
that
you
shot
here
but
again
I,
would
I
think
it
was
more
than
80%
of
the
crew
was
from
Ottawa
not
from
from
outside
Toronto.
P
So
the
majority
will
be
here,
and
the
other
advantage
is
that,
as
we
all
know,
whenever
you
bring
foreign
direct
investment
dollars
into
a
community,
it
increases
the
economic
activity
in
the
city.
It
increases
a
tax
base
in
the
city
and
it'll,
provides
more
money
to
the
city
to
allow
you
to
to
build
more
affordable
housing
and
see
whether
things
for
the
community
have.
P
A
A
You
can't
do
that
on
television
with
Alanis
Morissette
and
Willie
and
Floyd
and
hometown
cafe,
and
then,
when
the
the
building
burnt
down,
that
was
one
less
venue.
So
those
shows
alone.
You
know
we
sort
of
snicker
it.
You
know
amazing
Kreskin,
but
it
was
a
staple
for
years
and
years
on
on
TV
Thank,
You
councillor
du
das.
Please.
D
D
D
He
say
under
30
or
under
40,
because
I'll
take
under
30,
oh
dang,
it
no
I,
know
we're
all
estatic
around
this
table
about
this
opportunity
and
and
certainly
would
want
to
miss
the
boat
on
this
I
just
want
to
point,
and
please
clarify
this
for
me.
You
said
it
was
twenty
eight
point:
five
million
that
we're
currently
seen
generated
by
the
the
film
industry,
no.
D
P
P
D
Plus
all
the
jobs
that
you
just
spoke
about
in
terms
of
four
hundred
jobs,
each
production-
this
is
a
phenomenal
opportunity,
I'm
just
wondering-
and
you
said
that
this
will
happen
regardless
of
today's
decision.
However,
missing
this
opportunity
and
delaying
by
what
one
year
two
year,
what
will
that
mean
to
our
local
film
industry
and
to
our
opportunities
to
compete?
Well,.
P
P
The
other
major
thing
that
we
would
lose
is
we
would
lose
the
revenue
stream
for
the
film
office
and,
as
I
mentioned
the
councillor
leaper
by
year,
six
that's
estimated
to
be
in
the
six
hundred
thousand
dollar
a
year
range
and
will
grow
substantially
over
that
over
the
term
of
the
the
soundstage
as
well,
so
the
it's
not
that
we
won't
get.
There
is
just
we
won't
get
there
soon
enough
and
I.
P
A
J
Thanks
for
coming
out
this
morning,
we
will
see
you
and
I
have
talked
about
this
many
times
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
for
working
on
this
project.
The
vote
today,
I
think
just
confirms
something
that
I've
known
all
along
that
Ward
9
is
the
most
creative
part
of
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
and
the
best
place
to
do
business,
but
but
seriously,
this
this
project
is
is,
is
fascinating.
J
Positive!
It's
going
to
do
so
much
for
the
city,
we're
already
seeing
the
spin-off.
We
heard
from
all
Algonquin
the
programs
they're
putting
into
place
it's
going
to
create
jobs,
it's
going
to
create
excitement,
and
you
know
I
I,
just
can't
say
enough
how
much
hard
work.
Here's
your
staff
and
you
have
put
into
this
making
this
reality
and
I,
would
urge
all
my
all
my
colleagues
to
please
vote
in
favor
of
this,
because
this
is
nothing
but
a
good
news
story
for
the
city.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
efforts.
Thank.
P
G
G
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
work
in
with
our
partner,
which
is
I,
know
Peter
and
many
other
delegation
here,
spokes
about
it
from
Algonquin
la
city
and
many
other
many
other
partners,
but
just
the
amount
of
the
people
that
they
work
on
the
set,
and
thank
you
for
inviting
me
so
to
so
many
sets
in
the
late
couple
years,
I've
been
visiting
some
sets
and
I
know.
In
the
winter
time
we
had,
we
had.
G
The
film
was
videos
and
magnetic
and
I
know
that
one
of
producer
reach
out
because
they
want
to
keep
the
Christmas
decoration
and
magnetic,
and
it
was
the
venue
was
amazing
and
I
was
visited,
the
site
and
the
amount
of
the
people
and
what
brought
to
the
village
itself.
We
cannot
forget
about
the
economy,
what
it
inject
in
the
local
economy
and
in
January.
G
Specifically,
where
the
businesses
are
down,
the
village
was
very
hype,
and
very
people
very
happy.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
very
much
for
your
effort
and
I
know
that
city
staff
that
they've
been
working
very
closely
with
you
and
your
office
and
the
partner.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
all
the
work
you
do
in
our
community
and
to
bring
to
the
film
industry
itself.
Thank
You
Sammy
right.
E
And
for
those
who
are
over
30,
the
old
town
cinema
beechwood
in
the
venue
Parkway,
indeed
just
very
briefly,
Bruce.
Thank
you
for
your
work
as
the
film
commissioner
and
bringing
all
these
the
productions
encouraging
all
the
productions
that
that
you
bring
Todd
one
just
very
briefly.
I
also
want
the
mayor
alluded
to
your
small,
but
mighty
staff
at
the
Ottawa
film
office,
and
certainly
Stephanie
and
Ivy,
are
important
parts
of
all
the
work
that
goes
into
that
went
into
this
developing
this
project
and
as
we'll
be
dealing
with
the
the
film
by
law.
J
P
About
trades
in
the
industry,
carpenters
set
designers,
lighting
people,
in
fact,
in
our
film
industry.
The
major
union
that
handles
those
activities
in
film
is
exactly
the
same
union
group.
That
does
it
for
four
stage
and
does
it
for
festivals
and
that's
Iasi
and
I.
Ansi
has
had
a
presence
in
Ottawa
at
the
National
Art
Center
for
decades,
the
film
industry.
They
were
not
as
active
until
we
announced
the
sound
stage
and
since
the
announcement
of
the
sound
stage
the
Yahtzee
representatives
I
had
the
International
came
to
our
job.
Fair
saw.
P
The
interest
in
the
industry
got
a
sense
for
how
many
people
were
there.
Originally
they
thought
that
they
would
try
to
service
the
production
activity
in
Ottawa
from
Northern
Ontario,
not
knowing
how
much
activity
we
had
here.
They
quickly
found
out
that
they
had
I,
think
they're
up
to
350
members
right
now
in
their
their
crew
base
in
Ottawa.
So
it's
a
the
cross
pollenization
between
stage
and
and
film
is,
is
quite
quite
prominent.
It
happens
all
the
time.
It's
been
that
way
since
I
started
in
the
industry
back
in
the
late
80s.
P
So
there's
a
the
type
of
jobs
that
are
there:
no
volunteer
jobs,
very
few
volunteer
jobs,
they're
all
paid
jobs
and
they
pay
fairly
well.
But
it's
it's
really
the
same
people
you
see
putting
up
rigging
for
Parliament,
Hill
or
people
that
are
what
we
call
high
riggers
and
low
riggers
that
do
sound
stage
work.
So
it's
I'd
like
to
see
that
there's
almost
no
job
that
you
can
have
in
the
real
world
that
doesn't
have
a
similar
job
in
the
film
and
TV
world.
P
There's
the
whether
you're
a
driver,
whether
you're
a
cook,
whether
you're
doing
hair
and
makeup
or
wardrobe
you're
an
electrician.
It's
they're,
all
plumbers,
we
use
everyone,
and
so
it's
a
vast
exposure
for
everyone.
That's
working
the
festival
world
I
think
we're
expecting
that
it'll
be
a
good
crossover
between
them
and
I
know
that
a
lot
of
the
festival
groups
are
reaching
out
to
the
film
unions
right
now
to
find
ways
to
train
their
members
to
you
to
be
film
employees
that.
J
A
P
Think
we're
hoping
that'll
be
this
summer
that
shovels
will
be
in
the
ground.
We
have
some
proposals
for
how
we
can
maybe
speed
up
some
of
the
work
and
get
some
of
the
ground
work
done
earlier
than
when
we
get
the
final
building
plans
approved,
as
you
know,
we're
going
through
both
federal
approvals
and
municipal
approvals
and
we're
expecting
that
those
will
all
be
in
place
by
the
end
of
spring
and
it
would
open
wet
how
long
a
construction
period.
A
P
D
Want
to
certainly
applaud
staff
in
respect
to
all
the
work
that
they've
done
to
get
us
to
this
point.
I
did
have
one
question,
though,
in
regards
to
the
negotiations
you're
going
to
undertake.
If
we
delegate
authority,
is
there
an
opportunity
for
this
committee
to
receive
an
update
on
how
that
goes
before
it's
it's
finalized,
chair.
F
And
committee
members-
yes,
absolutely
economic
development
services
will
come
back
with
an
IP
D
once
the
loan
agreement
related
agreements
are
signed,
we'll
be
able
to
confirm
at
that
time
that
the
guarantees
and
securities
we've
spoken
about
today
are
appropriately
in
place
and
also
provide
a
high-level
overview
of
how
the
funds
will
be
dispersed
based
on
milestone
progress
targets,
and
if
there
are
other
related
project
updates,
we
can
provide
them
in
the
IPD.
At
that
time.
Wonderful.
C
C
F
C
A
Q
F
F
The
delegated
authority
will
be
with
the
city
manager
and
the
city
treasurer
to
build
the
loan
agreement
in
the
best
interests
of
the
city.
We
would
say
that,
based
on
our
assessment
of
the
business
case
that
was
submitted
by
the
ofö
and
the
subsequent
review
that
we
had
by
Ernst,
&
Young
through
their
Toronto
office,
were
satisfied
that
the
pro
forma
that's
been
provided
and
the
cost
estimates
are
appropriate.
F
C
Q
C
S
C
No,
that's
not
that's,
not
accurate.
Mr.
mayor
there's
new
councilmen.
Are
you
have
any
other
questions?
Yes,
I
do
so,
if,
if
we,
if
there
is
a
default
on
the
payment
of
the
loan
based
on
us,
not
let's
say
getting
the
vendors
that
we
need
within
the
space,
the
city
is
at
risk
for
what
up
to
I
mean
if
there's
a
guarantee
of
up
to
ten
million?
C
F
C
There
is
it
there
is
a
clause
in
the
report.
I've
read
the
report
that
states
that
we
would
then
sell
the
facility
after
the
terms
of
the
loan
are
repaid
which
I
don't
know
how
many
years
it
you
said,
30
years
over
30
years
for
a
nominal
fee,
and
that
would
be
to
the
Ottawa
Film
Office
or
that's
to
the
partner.
The.
F
C
Things
I
just
want
to
be
clear:
we're
leasing
out
the
facility
for
the
next
30
years
to
try
bro,
who
then
subleases
leases
it
to
other
partners,
but
at
the
end
of
that
agree,
I'm
asking:
is
there
not
a
rationalization
for
the
the
city
or
ofö
to
continue
to
own
the
facilities
they're,
not
an
advantage
to
that?
Why
would
we
put
in
the
in
the
right
now
that
in
30
years
we
would
say
we
gonna
sell
it
for
a
nominal
fee?
I
just
understand
the
I.
F
J
Thanks,
so
I
am
interested
in
taking
a
look
say
at
the
next
decade
or
so
of
those
pro
forma
assumptions
can
I
just
ask
it.
It
sounds
like
the
financial
work
on
this
deal
was
done
by
the
city
or
I'm,
just
not
sure
mayor.
Why
the
Ottawa
film
office?
Why
I've
been
asked
to
talk
to
the
treasurer
about
this
when
the
Ottawa
film
office
is
an
independent
body,
but
are
you
speaking
on
behalf
here
of
the
Ottawa
film
office?
We're.
F
Absolutely,
and
as
part
of
that
due
diligence,
we
took
the
business
case
and
engaged
a
third
party
consultant
Ernst
&
Young,
who
assigned
that
to
their
Toronto
office.
They
felt
that
there
was
an
appropriate
level
of
expertise
on
on
this
type
of
a
business
case
in
their
Toronto
office,
to
do
a
very,
very
careful
review
of
that
business
case
and
they
submitted
a
final
report
back
to
economic
development
services
and
that
factored
into
our
decision
to
bring
forward
the
recommendations
that
are
before
you
today
and.
F
J
A
J
J
F
On
my
recollection
of
the
30
year,
pro
forma
that
we
did
examine
you
know
months
ago,
as
part
of
our
due
diligence
around
this
staff
report,
there
is
the
prospect
of
a
small
we
call
it
profit
or
revenue
stream,
starting
essentially
in
year,
one
or
two,
after
all,
expenses
and
loan
repayment,
taxes
etc,
and
obviously
that
will
grow
exponentially
over
time
as
some
of
the
larger
productions
that
mr.
Harvey
spoke
to
are
successfully
attracted
to
the
facility
and
other
long-term
leases
are
put
in
place,
as
was
described
earlier.
What.
J
F
Mr.
Harvey
did
a
very
good
job,
explaining
that
there
are
a
number
of
factors
that
will
make
it
possible
for
the
soundstages,
and
indeed
the
entire
industry
and
Ottawa
to
continue
to
be
successful.
You
know
withdrawing
any
one
of
those
benefits.
Hopefully
we
have
enough
going
on
in
terms
of
infrastructure
or
available
crew
that
if
tax
credits
were
to
some
degree
rolled
back,
we
would
still
be
able
to
market
ourselves
as
a
as
a
first
class
destination
for
film
production
and
television
production
is.
J
J
F
F
In
and
of
themselves
would
not
be
responsible
for
for
building
a
reserve
of
capital.
There
wholly
funded
at
the
present
time
by
the
city
of
ottawa.
I
think
that
the
maintenance
and
capital
would
have
to
be
embedded
into
the
annual
operating
pro
forma.
That
Triborough
would
would
build
and
submit
to
ofö
as
the
owner
to
review
and
approve
come.
F
J
J
End
of
30
years
that
the
building
is
ready
to
hand
over
what
kind.
What
is
the
scale
of
operating
expenses
that
ofö
is
going
to
put
in?
It
strikes
me
that,
if
all
they're
really
doing
is
receiving
a
check
from
Triboro
not
responsible
for
actually
doing
the
bookings
not
responsible
for
capital,
o
fos
exposure
must
be
fairly
low.
On
this
ofö.
F
Exposure
would
be
very
limited.
Their
mandate
will
continue,
as
it
always
has
in
terms
of
promoting
ottawa
to
the
screen-based
sector
and
continuing
to
grow
and
advocate
on
behalf
of
the
industry.
Their
funding
from
the
city
is
not
intended
to
increase
at
any
point
in
the
coming
years.
So
they'll
continue
to
do
a
lot
with
a
lid
until
the
sound
stage
is
able
to
deliver
more
of
a
financial
benefit
for
them
that
will
allow
them
to
potentially
grow
their
operations
over
time.
J
Q
A
M
A
Q
F
Q
F
A
There
was
actually
a
decision
made
to
take
an
abandoned
golf
course
on
Bank
Street,
which
was
on
NCC
land
and
naturalized
it
so
that
it
would
be
almost
two
to
one
ratio
of
gaining
back
green
space
to
compensate
for
the
sound
stage
studios.
So
from
an
ecological
point
of
view,
it
was
actually
a
good
deal.
A
They've
taken
a
golf
course
which,
as
you
know,
has
got
lots
of
chemicals
on
it,
naturalized
it
and
it's
twice
the
amount
of
space
that
is
being
taken
over
by
the
Triborough
studio
and
also
in
that
site,
there's
probably
a
dozen
or
so
buildings
in
17
kilometers
of
Road.
So
it's
not
actually
pure
green
space.
It's
it's
fairly,
developed
that
most
people
don't
get
in
there
because
of
security
concerns.
So.
C
C
So
my
understanding
is
correct
on
that.
So
was
this.
Was
this
put
out?
Is
this
going
to
be
put
out
too
competitive
procurement,
or
was
it
put
it
too
competitive
procurement
by
the
Ottawa
film
office
to
say
who
would
manage
the
site
or
they
are
confident
in
this
one
supplier
to
do
it?
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
whole
lot
of
other
suppliers
that
can
do
it.
F
A
Any
other
questions
and
comments,
I'll
offer
just
a
couple
of
comments.
First
of
all
to
thank
the
film
office
and
tribe
robe
for
this
unique
opportunity
to
bring
a
missing
piece
of
the
puzzle
in
the
film
and
animation
business
right
here
to
our
own
backyard
in
councilor
egg
lies
Ward
with
the
building
of
a
soundstage.
You
know
when
you
think
of
some
of
the
city
building
projects
that
we've
been
involved
with
for
the
last
couple
of
years:
Arts
Court,
Ottawa,
Art,
Gallery,
the
Shaw
Center,
Innovation,
Center,
and
now
the
soundstage.
A
We
really
are
bulking
up
our
ability
to
become
an
even
better
known
center
of
culture
and
performance
and
innovation
and
art
as
a
result
of
these
investments.
So
I
would
encourage
members
of
committee
to
vote
for
this
project
and
thank
the
presenters
we
had
I
think
close
to
10.
If
not
11
presenters
come
forward
from
different
sectors
and
you
realize
what
a
big
job
creator
this
facility
is
councillor.
A
So
my
thanks
to
councillor
Cloutier
for
his
work
on
this
file
and
members
of
the
board,
who
are
all
here
on
a
voluntary
basis
and
our
post-secondary
institutions,
whose
students
in
the
future
not-too-distant
future,
2
or
3
years,
will
benefit
from
this
particular
facility.
So
on
the
report
carried.
Thank
you.
Next,
we're
staying
with
the
film
business
for
item
number
11
film
by
la
Vega,
Dumanis
postulate
or
nage.
We
have
a
presentation
I
believe
by
is
it
dawn?
A
E
Thank
You
mr.
mayor,
my
submission
man.
Yes,
thank
you.
Two
colleagues
for
their
support
of
item
number
10
that
we
just
went
through
on
item
number
11,
which
is
the
film
permit
bylaw,
which
again
streamlines
the
the
permitting
process
to
grow
the
industry.
There
is
a
clarifying
motion
and
I
won't
the
where
asses
talk
about
the
the
industry
and
consultation
with
with
the
industry
and
after
the
report
was
published.
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
film
permit
by
l'a
be
amended
to
provide
as
intended
that
once
an
application
is
received
by
the
timelines
in
schedule.
E
A
that
film
permits
are
issued
within
those
timelines,
that
the
noise
exemption
application
time
be
amended
to
20
business
days
from
40.
I
believe
is
what
is
in
the
report
and
that
the
bylaw
further
provide
that
the
issuance
of
permits
is
not
unreasonably
withheld
and
that
section
35
of
the
guidelines
be
amended
to
clarify
the
requirements
for
applicants
to
demonstrate
approvals
from
other
levels
of
government.
Be
it
further
resolved
that
the
noise
by
law
be
amended
to
include
filming
events
within
the
definition
of
special
events.
A
R
Mink
committee,
my
name,
is
Jamie
Hurst
I'm,
an
economic
development
officer
with
the
city's
economic
development
services
unit.
I
am
joined
today
by
my
colleague,
Amanda
Mullins
program
manager
with
event.
Central
also
here
with
us
today
is
Greg
Kent
manager
of
traffic
management,
as
well
as
gilt
8
program
manager
of
traffic
services.
We
are
here
this
morning
to
present
Ottawa's
new
film
bylaw.
R
As
you
have
heard
in
previous
presentations
and
delegations,
Ottawa's
film
industry
is
growing
in
addition
to
several
television
series,
commercials
short
films
and
corporate
videos
filmed
in
Ottawa,
the
city
hosted
19,
made-for-tv
movies
and
six
feature
films.
Last
year
the
Ottawa
Film
Office
has
reported
that
we
are
on
track
for
a
record
filming
year
in
2020
the
number
of
filming
days
over
the
last
two
months-
increased
50
percent
over
the
same
period
in
2019.
R
What's
more,
the
budgets
of
these
field,
films
are
also
much
higher
the
product.
The
total
production
budgets
of
film
shot
in
Ottawa
over
the
last
two
months
was
seventeen
point
five
million.
This
is
compared
to
5.6
million
in
January
and
February
of
last
year.
In
the
spring
of
2018,
the
Ottawa
film
office,
Board
of
Directors
and
film
commissioner,
requested
that
the
city
undertake
the
development
of
a
film
by
law.
R
The
proposed
film
by
law
applies
to
any
filming,
taking
place
on
city
property
or
on
any
other
property
that
require
city
resources
or
are
in
view
of
the
public
and
include
the
presence
of
replica
weapons,
replicas
emergency
vehicles
or
uniforms.
The
film
by
light
does
not
apply
to
filming
that
is
conducted
by
the
city
of
ottawa
or
to
student
projects,
street
interviews,
newscasts,
press
conferences
or
visual
recordings
for
personal
purposes.
R
The
process
to
develop
the
film
by
Allah
included
significant
engagement
and
consultation
with
the
local
industry,
including
the
Ottawa
Film
Office,
and
the
Ottawa
film
and
TV
Advisory
Committee,
as
well
as
residents.
In
addition,
city
staff
conducted
a
scan
of
filming
bylaws
across
Canada,
with
focus
on
Ontario
municipalities,
and
we
consulted
extensively
with
city
staff
and
Emergency
and
Protective
Services
recreation,
culture
and
facility
services,
traffic
services
and
clients,
our
innovation
and
client
services.
R
The
proposed
film
bylaw
is
designed
to
provide
a
clear
and
consistent
process
for
the
industry
when
seeking
city
approvals,
it
will
support
Ottawa
and
becoming
a
film
friendly
destination
by
facilitating
the
creation
of
a
film
permit,
providing
film
and
production
companies
with
a
streamlined
application
and
approvals
process
and
establishing
two
new
temporary
film
industry.
Adviser
positions
within
the
cities,
event,
central
and
traffic
services
units
to
ensure
the
city
can
seamlessly
implement
the
film
bylaw
and
have
avoid
disruptions
to
existing
city
services.
R
These
dedicated
resources
provide
capacity
for
the
city
to
assume
the
new
functions
of
processing,
film,
permit
requests
and
coordinating
film
activity
in
a
timely
manner,
making
Ottawa
and
appealing
filming
destination.
The
film
by
law
will
also
provide
greater
coordination
of
city
services
and
help
minimize
potential
disruption
to
residents,
businesses
and
institutions.
During
filming
events,
the
bylaw
establishes
that
the
city's
events
central
unit
will
receive
all
film
permit.
Applications
circulate
the
applications
to
the
appropriate
city,
services
and
issue.
The
film
permits
and/or
liaised
with
industry
representatives
to
troubleshoot
issues,
as
required.
R
Additional
information
on
the
application
process
and
more
operational
aspects
of
filming,
such
as
parking
and
street
closures.
Will
continue
to
be
contained
in
the
Ottawa
film
guidelines,
which
are
intended
to
be
the
plain
language
instructions
on
how
to
film
in
Ottawa
staff
have
committed
to
reviewing
the
guidelines
annually
in
consultation
with
the
Ottawa
film
office
and
the
industry
staff
will
conduct
a
review
of
the
implementation
and
report
back
to
committee
within
one
year.
Part
of
this
review
will
include
collecting
data
on
turnaround
times
for
permits
and
approvals
under
the
new
application
process.
R
R
We
would
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
thank
the
many
internal
and
external
stakeholders
who
have
contributed
to
the
development
of
this
bilah
over
the
past
18
months.
The
new
film
by
law
reflects
the
spirit
of
collaboration
evident
throughout
its
development
and
will
complement
the
ongoing
work
of
the
Ottawa
film
office
and
the
local
sector
to
attract
more
productions
to
Ottawa.
It
will
also
ensure
that
Ottawa
is
well
positioned
to
support
our
growing
film
and
television
industry
and
that
we
remain
competitive
with
other
Canadian
filming
destinations.
J
It's
not
what
I
need
an
answer
to
today,
but
I
have
a
request
of
of
the
film
office
a
number
of
we're,
seeing
a
lot
more
filming
in
Wellington
West
in
Westborough,
I
love.
It
I'm
glad
that
I'm
glad
that's
an
attractive
destination
for
that
we're
seeing
a
few
productions
coming
through
that
are
using
replica
weapons,
often
within
a
block
or
two
of
locations
where
there
have
been
incidents
that
are
significant.
Concern
of
residents
can
and
in
each
case,
I
have
asked
the
permitting
folks.
J
Can
you
please
ask
the
production
company
either
to
go
behind
a
screen
in
that
location
or
just
make
sure
that
they
mark
the
hell
out
of
this
as
a
film
set
film
set,
I
would
love
to
stop
having
to
do
that
cannot
be
done
proactively
with
the
production
companies.
If
there
is
going
to
be
a
replica
weapon,
police
cars,
things
that
look
like
emergencies,
just
ask
the
production
company
and
reassure
me
that
the
production
company
will
be
using
screens
so
that
violent
film
incidents
being
filmed
are
not
visible
to
to
the
public.
D
J
J
R
S
Thank
you,
I'm,
going
to
jump
in
and
and
and
follow
up
on,
counselor
leapers
piece
I
recognize
that
each
setting
is
different,
but
I
do
think
that,
like
in
the
bard
market,
it's
a
great
venue
for
it.
The
green
yellow
pylons
have
been
on
the
sides
of
the
streets
and
in
different
spots,
I,
just
wonder
if
our
visual
can
can
shift
it
when
we
have
a
construction
site.
That
happens.
S
We
provide
like
a
dashboard
of
what's
happening
on
the
street,
so
I
wonder
if
we
can
develop
proactively
that
information,
it
doesn't
need
to
provide
all
the
details
because
I
would
understand
there'd,
be
some
privacy
components
around
the
filming,
but
just
from
a
general
nature,
because,
though
I've
seen
those
pylons,
it
feels
like
sometimes
they're
occupied.
Sometimes
they
aren't
so,
but
if
the
area
was
properly
properly
framed
and
properly
advertised
I
think
the
community
would
be
not
only
excited
but
also
more
aware
of
what's
happening.
Q
S
I
recognize
that
and
I
appreciate
that
that
is
a
a
good
stream
of
information.
I
I
wonder
for
the
average
person
walking
near
or
coming
to
the
area
that
might
not
have
received
notification.
Just
seeing
green
pylons
on
the
side
of
the
street,
and
it
depends
on
the
setup,
obviously
can
can
just
create
hey
I
can
I
park
there
and
then
we've
gotten
complaints
in
the
past
about
a
ticket.
So
I
just
want
us.
T
C
So
we
we
saw
the
the
capital
cost
of
about
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
a
little
less
than
that
one
hundred
and
then
we're
seeing
additional
operational
costs
every
time.
There's
a
need
there,
I
guess
you're
having
more
on
the
days
that
there's
counsel
me
or
a
meeting
in
this
room
you're
having
more
on
those
days
than
you
would
on
regular
other
days.
That's
correct:
okay,
okay
with
regard
to
the
I
just
want
to
get
a
sense
of
the
timing,
because
you're
you're
doing
more
consultation
and
review
right
now
of
the
overall
security
policy.
C
M
Mayor
the
timing
for
that
report
is
fall.
I'll
follow
up
with
you
directly
when
we
think
we're
going
to
have
it
on
the
legislative
agenda
following
our
last
CPS
and
request
from
our
chair
as
well
to
there's
a
more
comprehensive
process
and
in
fairness-
and
you
know
we
had
discussions
following
some
of
your
inquiries.
M
We
looked
back
and
said:
yeah
we
could
have
done
a
better
job
at
communicating
that
we
there
were
some
deferral
there,
so
you
should
it'll-it'll
you'll
be
receiving
that
this
fall
and
I'll
give
you
all
follow
up
with
your
office
to
get
exact
the
exact
date
of
where
we
planning
on
the
CPS
agenda.
You'll
shall
have
that.
Okay.
C
I
do
appreciate
that
mr.
Dumont
aid,
just
in
terms
of
the
communication
piece,
obviously
with
this
you'd,
want
to
do
some
consultation
before
implementing
something
like
that
along
with
these
security
measures.
So
the
report
you're
bringing
forward
it'll,
include
sort
of
a
review
of
the
security
outside
of
council
chambers
and
we'll
have
the
ability
to
discuss
that
at
that
meeting.
Correct.
M
Mayor
and
as
well,
it
is
also
it'll
meet
all
the
way
the
the
auditor
had
done
also
review
and
had
both
comments
and
the
recommendations,
and
both
of
those
will
be
captured
in
that
will
to
include
public
consultation.
Counselor
consultation
with
our
with
our
chair
actually-
and
she
mentioned
in
our
last
CPS
with
all
of
council
and
then
the
academic
review
so,
and
the
threat
threat
risk
assessment
from
the
passional.
So
you'll
have
all
that
body
of
work
in
front
of
you
for
a
wholesome
public
policy.
Debate:
okay,
because.
C
Obviously,
the
concern
is
just
is:
is
how
much
right?
How
much
are
we
doing
that
could
be
affecting
public
participation,
I've
heard,
anecdotally,
I
know
you
receive
formal
complaints
verbally
and
otherwise,
but
anecdotally
I'm,
getting
a
lot
in
for
people
saying,
look
at
I'm
not
coming
anymore,
I,
don't
want
it,
don't
want
to
go
through
that
process,
and
so
that's
the
big
concern
here
is.
We
know
research
by
people
like
Dave
Maslin
has
talked
about.
You
know
personal
danger
to
elected
officials.
C
The
biggest
personal
danger
inside
these
chambers
is
usually
elected
officials
themselves
with
other
elected
officials,
and
so
that's
the
sort
of
concern
you
know
that
I
have
is
how
much?
How
far
are
we
going
in
terms
of
the
security
policy
out
there?
This
the
search,
the
search
that
we
have
going
on
I'd
like
to
know
and
you're
under
your
bench.
A
Minorities,
councillor
Menard
I
believe
that
the
staff
have
indicated
that's
coming
back
in
the
third
quarter
and
I'm,
not
quite
sure
anecdotally.
We
should
be
basing
security
policy
on
a
few
people
who
don't
like
going
through
security
checks,
maybe
to
staff
mr.
Poirier,
how
many
formal
complaints
that
we
received
and
what's
the.
A
T
C
Thanks
mayor
thanks
for
giving
me
back
my
time
here
and
interrupting
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is
that
there
was
no
consultation
to
do
this
in
the
first
place.
Staff
have
said
that
very
clearly
and
we
should
have
had
consultation
in
the
first
days
because
people
are
being
denied
when
they
shouldn't
for
things
like
getting
utensils.
C
So
how
far
we
go
with
the
policy
is
the
question
here
and
we've
set
this
up
without
consultation
of
elected
officials
without
consultation
of
the
public,
even
though
we
know
there's
supposed
to
be
a
consultation,
the
auditor-general
record
it
coming
back
to
cps,
so
the
anecdotal
examples
that
you
and
I
can
here
agree
here,
neither
here
no
there
but
we're
hearing
over
and
over
again
that
there
is
an
issue
here
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that's
addressed
in
the
in
the
process
that
we're
setting
up
here.
So
it's
important.
C
We
know
the
cost
of
this
we're
hearing,
there's
more
operational
costs.
It's
not
just
the
capital
upfront.
There
is
more
additional
cost
here,
and
the
cost
of
public
participation
is
also
important.
So
I,
you
know
the
fear
factor
and
all
this
I
think
is
playing
a
role
and
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
getting
to
the
bottom
of
that.
Thanks
for
for
that
time,
mr.
mayor,
so.
A
T
Q
Thank
you
very
much
in
one
of
the
aspects
of
security,
I'm
I'm
wondering
about
gender
lens
and
and
how
it's
been
applied,
because
it's
not
it
not
just
on
this
side
of
the
table,
but
also
for
those
who
come
here.
Security
is
an
issue,
that's
very
important
both
to
the
residents
of
Ottawa
and
and
to
us
that
work
here
at
City
Hall,
and
we
don't
want
people
to
feel
intimidated,
and
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
it
takes
into
consideration
the
gender
lens.
T
The
gender
lens
is
will
be
applied
during
our
consultation
process
and
also
part
of
the
public.
Engagement
piece
will
also
be
inclusive
of
other
issues,
with
respect
to
accessibility,
recognizing
that
our
focus
is
is
not
just
the
the
council
and
the
councillors,
but
also
staff
and
the
security
also
of
visitors
and
the
public
within
this
facility.
So
our
focus
will
be
on
all
of
these
components
within
this
room
and
with
redundant
standing
and
appreciation
for
the
diversity
and
inclusion,
and
the
public
engagement
process
that
we
will
engage
in
has.
A
Q
Would
ensure
that
people
don't
feel
intimidated
to
come
in
here,
because
sometimes
we
hear
that
one
of
the
top
concerns
we
heard
about.
Obviously,
the
first
concern
for
most
people
was
housing
in
terms
of
when
we
consulted
with
the
general
public.
Another
one
was
security,
and
this
is
just
City
Hall.
They
talked
about
security,
obviously
in
the
broader
sense,
but
it's
very
important
that
we
look
at
the
gender
lens
I.
Think.
A
Q
A
Q
I
agender
lens
I'm,
sorry,
it's
for
everybody
that
comes
into
this
place
and
for
far
too
long.
In
my
opinion,
we
haven't
had
that
that
comfort
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
word
for
it
that
caring
and
knowing
there's
been
times
when
we've
had
a
very
vitriolic
group
of
people
that
have
been
very
passionate.
We
haven't
had
any
ability
to
understand
whether
or
not
we
were
at
risk.
They
were
at
risk.
Other
people
we're
at
risk.
Q
Our
staff
were
at
risk
anybody
in
this
chamber,
but
this
is
a
place
where,
if
everybody
should
be
able
to
come
no
matter
what
your
gender
is
for
heaven's
sakes,
I
personally,
don't
want
our
staff,
who
have
documentation
from
people
like
the
the
auditor
saying
that
this
is
the
right
way
to
go
common
practice,
common
best
practice,
whether
it's
at
Toronto
City
Hall,
whether
it's
at
Parliament
Hill,
whether
it's
at
Queen's
Park,
show
that
when
you're
having
a
situation
where
people
are
coming
together-
and
they
are
welcome
to
come
together
at
any
time.
Mr.
Q
mayor
you're
always
talking
about
this
place.
As
this
is
your
place,
we
all
say
that
this
is
your
place.
Everybody
has
the
right
to
be
safe
and
you
know
what
these
experts
I
don't
want.
You
spending
your
time
my
time
on
this
nonsense.
It
is
nonsense
to
think
that
we
are
going
to
cause
you
to
go
and
do
a
bunch
of
work
to
come
to
counts.
Suds,
chairs,
suds
committee,
with
what,
while
other
people
had
take
the
time
to
drum
up
some
more
G's
I'm
uncomfortable
geez
I.
Q
Had
my
my
eating
utensils
taken
away
from
me,
you
know
I
hope
we
do
that
with
respect,
but
I
don't
mind
the
fact
that
you
do
it
because
you
should
be
doing
it
and
you
should
have
been
doing
it
a
long
time
ago.
I
think
it's
absolute
nonsense
that
we're
wasting
this
time
today.
Talking
about
this,
this
is
not
an
issue.
It's
a
smart
thing
to
do.
Q
We
all
deserve
to
have
everybody
that
will
ever
come
into
this
room
deserves
to
have
that
mechanism
there
and
you
know
what
it's
just
the
filter
there's
no
guarantee
with
it,
but
it's
something
that
we
innate
today's
times
we
do
and
what's
the
point
you
were
going
to
bring
back
a
report
to
excuse
me
community,
Protective
Services
and
then
what
we're
gonna
argue
about
whether
or
not
we
should
keep
them.
You
know
what
my
family
stands
up
and
says:
keep
the
damn
things
you
should
have
had
them
a
long
time
ago
anyway.
Mr.
Q
mayor,
like
I,
don't
really
like
to
be
provoked
to
have
to
speak
about
this
stuff,
but
sometimes
it
just
gets
too
damn
dumb
and
some
people
like
to
get
on
a
soapbox
and
talk
about
things
that
are
not
important
to
the
majority
of
people
in
this
city.
This
is
one
of
them.
Let's
get
on
and
work
on
some
important
issues.
We've
got
a
big
one.
That's
next
on
the
agenda,
thanks
very
much
right.
T
T
D
T
D
D
I'm
gonna
add
a
gender
lens
being
that
I
sit
with
my
back
to
the
doors
being
that
I
am
NOT
a
six-foot
plus
male,
who
sits
across
the
table
and
can
see
somebody
coming
at
me,
I'd
like
to
just
add
for
clarity
how
many
weapons,
how
many
items?
How
many
things
have
you
confiscated
in
the
short
time
that
these
measures
have
been
in
place
that
may
or
may
not
have
been
used
against
anyone
in
these
chambers
and
including
members
of
the
public
members
of
the
media
members
on
council?
How
many
items
have
you
confiscated
the.
D
Somebody
needs
a
knife
to
sit
in
here
and
to
have
active
participation
as
an
active
engaged
member
of
the
public
I'm,
not
asking
you
to
respond
that
I'm
being
facetious
I
guess.
What
I'm
saying
here
is:
is
that
I
these
measures
are
put
in
place
to
prevent
something
from
happening.
It's
not
to
prevent
people
from
being
engaged.
D
We
have
not
seen
less
people
attending
our
meetings
and
I
anticipate
as
things
come
this
afternoon,
we'll
see
even
more
when
I
was
a
newspaper
reporter
with
the
Ottawa
Sun
I
can't
recall
how
many
times
I
received
death
threats,
threats
to
my
family.
We
have
a
gay
member
members
of
the
media
up
there
and
once
again,
their
safety
is
an
imperative
to
us.
D
B
Counselor
flicky.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
mayor,
well,
I
think
some
on
the
council
have
taken
firm
positions.
I
think
we
should
be
careful
here.
We
should
be
careful
about
several
things.
Firstly,
unlike
on
Parliament
Hill,
where
parliamentarians
come
in
from
across
the
country
to
actually
work
on
the
hill,
while
at
Ottawa
City
city
hall,
all
the
councillors
live
in
the
community.
B
I'm
well
aware
of
the
environment.
I've
attended
many
Olympic
Games.
If
we
focus
only
on
one
area,
one
place
we're
opening
ourselves
up
to
events
in
other
places,
I
felt
it
much
safer
when
people
when
people
are
actually
able
to
come
into
the
building
freely.
We've
attended
debates,
which
were
very,
very
contentious
where
there
was
a
lot
of
unrest
under
security
teams,
really
took
the
situation
in
hand
in
a
very
respectful
way,
so
the
democracy
can
actually
continue
to
take
place.
B
Our
families
and
nobody
wants
issues
to
arise.
Now.
If
we
continue
just
to
focus
on
on
our
committee
rooms
and
the
council
rooms
we're
pushing
the
issue
elsewhere,
a
four
people
intend
to
actually
attack
us
hurt
us.
They
will
hurt
us
where
they
can
now.
My
question
for
mr.
Poitier
mr.
de
Monte,
two
small
questions.
First
of
all,
you've
raised
the
issue
of
the
review
of
other
cities.
You've
chosen
cities
so
where
crime
rates
are
very
very
high.
Winnipeg,
unlike
Ottawa,
for
example,
is
very,
very
different
from
us.
B
So
you
haven't
chosen
cities
which
are
more
like
us,
god,
no
just
across
the
river,
their
context,
perhaps
their
environment
or
the
crew.
Their
crime
levels
are
perhaps
like
ours,
Montreal
Quebec
City
there.
Other
municipalities
also,
which
are
more
like
what
we
face
in
Ottawa
I'd
like
to
understand
why
you've
chosen
the
cities
you've
actually
mentioned
in
your
analysis,.
B
Well,
we
chose
we
chose
ten
cities
across
the
country,
including
Toronto
City
Montreal,
as
well,
and
to
our
knowledge,
the
issues
and
the
security
steps
that
have
been
taken
in
cities
of
our
size
are
comparable
to
Calgary
and
Edmonton
and
less
comparable
with
what's
been
done
in
gatineau.
So
we
think
that
our
comparison
cities
are
quite
violent
and
relevant.
B
Mr.
mayor,
when
you,
when
you
have
the
debate,
we
can
add
other
cities,
and
if
you
have
other
suggestions,
we
can
look
at
them.
So
you're
gonna
have
a
more
exhaustive,
comprehensive
benchmarking
based
against
which
you
can
actually
have
your
debate
in
October.
Now
the
next
question
I
have
I,
read
your
report
and
I
raised
an
issue
with
you.
What
I'm
frustrated
by
really
is
that
so
there's
a
report
by
the
Auditor
General
and
we
received
a
memo
about
a
year
later
saying.
Well,
these
are
the
measures
were
taking.
The
steps
were
taking.
Why?
B
B
B
B
Now
we
enhanced
the
security
on
a
regular
basis,
so
normally
the
debates
should
have
taken
place
before
the
control
or
the
security
systems
were
put
in
place,
but
there
was
a
bit
of
a
delay
and
we
weren't
able
to
actually
present
the
report
to
use
so
that
really
shook
our
process
up
a
bit
and,
as
we
say
in
the
reply,
our
communication
should
have
been
better
because
there
was
an
issue
with
the
timing.
It
there
will
be
a
public
debate,
a
comprehensive
process,
review
of
the
literature
that
your
colleague
has
asked
for.
Also.
B
There
also
be
wholesale
a
consultation
with
counselors,
as
the
president,
the
chair
of
the
committee
has
asked
for.
So
it's
not
an
apology
really,
but
that's
really
what
has
shaken
up
or
do
regular
process
and
we
will
be
making
corrective
measures
before
the
October
report
is
as
they
published
all
right.
Thank
you
well
just
to
ask
one
final
question
and
make
a
statement.
Democracy,
a
municipal
dock
democracy
can
be
quite
tough.
Sometimes
people
have
very
differing
positions,
so
it's
normal
that
there
be
tension
and
that
ordinary
people
want
to
actually
attend
our
hearings.
B
Our
deliberations
I
know
that
all
members
of
the
Council
want
to
feel
safe.
I
know
that
staff
want
to
feel
safe
as
well.
I
understand
that,
but
one
of
the
things
that
was
missing
from
this
process
is
that
we're
all
in
the
community
and
the
social
media
on
social
media.
It's
all.
We
often
tell
people
where
we'll
be
right.
B
N
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
I
just
want
to
start
by
saying.
You
know,
I
think
that
it's
really
important
that
we
not
diminish
the
fears
of
anyone
in
this
room
or
the
concerns
of
anyone
in
this
room
and
we're
talking
about
security
and
and
what
that
means
and
I
think
that
actually
councilor
dude
ass
probably
made
councilor
Cavanaugh's
point.
When
we
talk
about
a
gender
lens
and
I
think
we
have
to
be
really
careful
not
to
just
celebrate
gender
equity
and
gender
lenses
and
International
Women's
Day
and
everything
else.
When
it
only
suits
us.
N
We
have
to
sometimes
the
the
responses
back
will
be
one
that
maybe
we
don't
agree
with,
but
that's
why
we
have
it
so
I
take
a
bit
of
issue
with
it
being
with
it
being
challenged.
But
then
you
know
right
after
we
hear
from
someone.
Who's
got
her
back
to
the
door
and
I
think
that
that
is
something
that
that
we
need
to
take
into
consideration,
and
there
will
be
a
lot
of
that
when
we
look
at
how
our
policies
affect
people
in
different
way
and
and
cause
inequities.
N
That's
what
we
want
to
do
as
a
city
to
build
a
better
city
for
everyone.
You
know
and
the
day
might
come
when
counts,
are
harden
harder
and
I
agree
on
something,
because
you
know
we
are
looking
at
something
through
the
same
lens
and
I.
Think
and
I
don't
mean
to
say
that
council
hardened.
Are
you
probably
agree
on
95%
of
things?
It's
the
other
five
that
we,
you
know,
have
our
differences,
but
but
but
that's
what
that's?
N
So
going
back
to
you
know
why
this
should
have
been
at
committee,
why
this
should
have
been
in
front
of
councilor
suds
as
the
chair
of
CPSC,
and
those
of
us
that
serve
in
that
committee
and
then
over
to
Council
is
because
we
are
still
at
democracy,
and
we
have
got
to
make
these
decisions
around
a
table.
A
diverse
table
with
diverse
opinions
and
asking
these
questions
and
I
think
what
happened
here
was
it
landed
in
front
of
us.
N
We
started
to
build
gates
and
now
we're
coming
in
from
behind
and
asking
all
questions
and
I
think
it's
put
us
in
a
very
difficult
position,
not
one
that
I
want
to
be
in
I.
Don't
want
to
have
a
disagreement
with
counselor
do
to
us
about
whether
she's
and
more
you
know
in
a
more
vulnerable
position
sitting
where
she
is
compared
to
where
I
am
I.
Don't
want
to
have
those
conversations
and
that's
why
that's
that's
how
we
landed
here.
So
you
know
back
to
the
point.
This
does
have
to
come
back
to
committee.
N
I
can
tell
you
when
I'm
out
there
in
my
community,
there
are
many
many
people
that
have
full
access
to
me
and
many
others
that
don't
and
until
I
know,
which
ones
that
don't
I'm
not
being
the
best
counselor.
That
I
can
be
for
my
kit
for
my
community
and
I
think
that
that
is
what
we
want
to
avoid
happening
here.
That
is
what
we
want
to
avoid
happening
in
our
offices.
We
want
people
to
come
and
visit
us.
We
want
to
have
coffee
houses,
we
want
to
be
safe
and
we
want
to
encourage
that.
N
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
the
point
that
you
know
it's
it's
it's.
It's
not
okay,
to
go
fonder!
Lenss.
We
saw
immediately
after
why
that's
important.
There
will
be
many
other
considerations
in
agender
and
equity
lands
that
we
have
to
put
in
place.
We
can't
just
have
these
policies
at
City,
Hall
to
tick
a
box.
We
have
to
have
these
policies
so
that
we
actually
use
them
whenever
we're
making
up
our
policies
and
programs
in
this
city.
Thank
you.
Councillor.
Q
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
first
of
all
and
I'll
concur
with
councilor
McKenney.
This
is
an
important
topic
and
I
think
everyone
brings
their
own
perspective
and
experience
to
this
issue.
I
do
want
to
thank
staff
who
I've
worked
with
closely
over
the
last
number
of
months
and
I
believe
have
taken
necessary,
pragmatic,
smart
steps
on
behalf
of
us
and
the
corporation.
F
T
Q
T
Thank
you,
the
the
real
truth,
I
think
is
that
had
we
not
taken
measures
that,
if
something
untoward
did
occur,
there
would
have
been
a
lot
of
quarterbacking
in
terms
of
saying,
why
didn't
you
put
these
measures
in
place
because
there
have
been
significant
issues
or
of
instead
of
transpired
within
this
city
that
have
given
reason
for
concern
and
reason
to
actually
start
to
implement
these
kinds
of
measures?
Further.
The
concept
here
is
as
much
as
I've
mentioned:
counselors
staff
and
the
public.
T
It's
also
the
the
belief
of
the
democratic
institution
of
this
piece
of
government
and
how
important
it
is
to
to
everyone
in
our
city.
The
fact
that
it's
this
place
a
government
that
probably
has
the
highest
profile
of
all
and
it's
incumbent
upon
us
to
provide
a
safe
environment
for
all
those
who
attend.
Thank.
Q
M
Mayor,
as
the
auditor
had
indicated,
it
is
a
broad
audit
of
corporate
security
and
the
whole
framework
about
the
public
policy
about
security
and
what
you
wish
to
have
in
this
chamber
and
probably
brought
more
broadly
in
this
building,
we'll
be
talking
about
that.
It's
it'll
be
complete
with
public
consultation
council
consultation
on
top
of
what
you
would
requested
at
our
last
committee,
academic,
literature,
review,
clear
benchmarking
and
we'll
add,
there's
a
couple
of
councillors
that
mention
other
jurisdictions,
we'll
add
those
to
our
analysis
as
well
and
industry
best
practice.
M
So
it's
a
broad
corporate
policy
for
security
and
what
we
want
this
to
be
and
you'll
also
have
additional
information
about
what
has
happened
in
the
past.
What
has
transpired
here
at
City
Hall
some
of
the
risks
that
we've
some
of
the
threats
that
we
have
and
put
that
in
perspective
and
some
options
and
balance
for
a
fulsome
debate:
public
policy
debate
by
the
elected
officials
to
direct
us
to
move
forward
with
what
you
wish
and
how
you
want
to
balance.
What
we've
been
discussing
here
this
morning,
terrific.
Q
Thank
you
very
much.
I
look
forward
to
that
report.
I
hope
my
colleagues
have
confidence
that
it
is
a
comprehensive
approach,
that's
being
taken
in
developing
this
policy
that
will
involve
consultation.
So
again,
thank
you
for
the
good
work
and
I
look
forward
to
that
report
coming
to
committee.
Thank
you
great.
J
Thank
You
mr.
Marin
I
also
want
to
thank
staff
for
their
work
on
this
issue
and
I
want
a
comment.
Mr.
mayor,
that
I've
noticed
over
the
years
that
this
term
of
council
there's
been
a
lot
more
protests
outside
the
glass
here
and
I
noticed
that
escalating
to
the
point
where,
at
one
of
the
breakfast,
your
breakfast
series
where
there
was
actually
a
woman
speaking
that
we
had
people
banging
on
the
glass
so
hard
that
there
was
a
fear
that
glass
would
break
what
were
they
trying
to
do?
J
And
it
was
extremely
disappointing
to
find
out
that
some
of
those
people
in
that
crowd.
According
to
the
video
evidence,
worked
in
counselors
offices,
so
I
want
to
know.
Do
these
measures
apply
to
ourselves
and
to
our
staff,
or
will
staff
be
screened
as
they're
coming
in
to
make
sure
they
don't
have
anything
with
them
to
break
the
glass
or
do
anything
like
that?.
T
J
Yeah,
it's
something
I'd
like
to
see
in
the
report,
mr.
mayor's,
what
we're
going
to
do,
because
it's
not
just
to
protect
ourselves
I,
think
there
was
a
probably
close
to
a
hundred
people
in
the
room
when
not
displayed
took
place.
The
safety
of
the
people
that
take
the
time
out
to
come
down
here
and
witness
our
meetings.
J
It's
the
safety
of
everyone
and
I'd
like
to
see
from
the
clerk's
office
a
little
language
in
the
contracts
that
go
to
employees
of
City
Hall
that
they're
not
allowed
to
participate
in
that
kind
of
behavior
being
paid
by
Doc's
dollars.
So
if
we
could
get
that
as
well,
I'd
appreciate
it
Thank
You.
Mr.
J
Lone
Gunmen
made
his
way
from
the
war
memorial
Wade
made
his
way
to
the
war
memorial
and
killed
a
Canadian
Forces
reservist
before
running
up
Parliament
Hill
shooting
a
guard
before
attempting
to
kill
as
many
politicians
as
possible.
Major
changes
were
instituted
on
Parliament
Hill
in
the
aftermath
of
this
attack.
How
prepared
was
the
City
of
Ottawa
at
the
time?
This
is
six
years
ago,
an
especially
City
Hall
staff
to
deal
with
something
like
this.
M
Mr.
mayor,
actually
that's
one
of
the
elements
that
we
looked
at
and
that
was
frankly
worrisome
for
us
when
we
looked
at
that
we
weren't
well
prepared.
There
were,
and
we've
taken
some
measures
to
make
corrections.
Following
that
event,
one
simple
thing:
our
children
go
to
school
and
they
practice
lock
downs.
Now
we
weren't
able
to
lock
down
this
building
the
the
doors
around
the
around
City
Hall,
the
multiple
doors
and
mr.
Poirier
can
tell
you
the
number
had
to
literally
lock
down
by
a
key
with
the
only
two
security
guards
so
that's
evolved.
M
We
have
electronic
systems
now
put
in,
so
we
can
lock
down
City
Hall
training
for
staff
and
for
council
and
for
councillor
staff
has
been
done
about.
You
know,
secured
in
place,
locking
down
City
Hall
those
types
of
events.
It
was
challenging
that
day,
so
we
couldn't
lock
down
City
Hall
as
well
and
I
know
it's
not
quite
related
to
your
question,
but
others
measures
that
we've
been
proactive
and
we
stepped
forward
if,
for
lack
of
a
better
turn,
you've
seen
bollards
and
some
of
the
other
security
measures
we've
protected.
M
We
have
many
events,
so
those
are
all
results
of
things
that
we
need
to
do.
I
think
when
the
auditor
looked
at
that
he
was
also
looking
more
strategically
at
the
future
and
we
didn't
have
a
good
public
policy,
so
we
are
coming
forward
with
that,
but
those
events
actually
were
events
that
we're
wake-up
calls
for
us
from
a
security
perspective.
How
we
balance
things
out,
I,
certainly.
J
Don't
hear
a
lot
of
people
complaining
about
these
additional
security
measures
that
were
put
in
place
on
Parliament,
Hill
and
I
didn't
hear
prior
to
2014
anybody
complaining
about
people
using
metal
detectors
to
to
have
to
scream
visitors
when
they
attend
the
public
gallery.
So,
despite
the
market
difference
in
our
salaries,
I'd
be
mone.
Anyone
who
believes
that
my
life
is
worth
less
than
a
member
of
Parliament's.
Thank
you.
J
I'm
not
going
to
spend
a
bunch
of
time
challenging
the
information.
That's
in
the
in
the
IPD
I
I,
don't
see
anything
in
that
entire
document
that
says
that
screening
stations
are
the
answer.
What
I
see
is
a
lot
of
assertions
that
there
are
protests
at
City
Hall
and
trying
to
link
the
fact
that
there
are
protests
with
screening
stations
which
I,
don't
necessarily
agree
with,
but
what
I?
What
I
want
to
hear
from
staff?
J
Is
that
you
you?
You
have
some
understanding
of
what
those
of
us
who
are
opposed
to
these
additional
measures
are
concerned
about,
because
I'm
worried
that
we're
talking
at
cross-purposes
when
I
I
do
accept
the
need
for
a
safe
workplace.
I
have
heard
councils
are
harder
to
speak
a
few
times
over
the
years
about
the
vulnerability
of
councillors
in
this
chamber,
but
I
understood
in
place
are
neither
effective
towards
keeping
us
safe,
nor
warranted
and
in
fact
they
keep
people
away
from
City
Hall.
J
M
Again,
staff
are
here
to
serve
you
as
elected
officials
and
the
public
policies
you
wish
to
put
in
place.
We
have
been
proactive
as
a
result
of
events
that
try
to
balance
that
off.
We
know
this
has
to
be
a
democracy
in
an
open
space.
So
directly
to
your
question.
I
would
comment
a
little
bit.
We
use
the
concept
of
crime
prevention
through
Environmental
Design
and
it's
a
internationally
known
concept.
The
Australians
are
really
good
at
it.
M
So
having
gates
that
people
know
they're
going
to
get
screened
day,
one
we
had
six
knives,
including
a
significant
size,
hunting
knife.
We
haven't
seen
that
since
that's
happened,
so
one
could
conclude
that
the
cause
and
effect
of
that
is
if
people
know
they're
going
to
be
screened,
they
won't
be
bringing
in
weapons.
M
So
that's
the
first
thing,
so
one
would
suggest
that
this
is
that
said
part
of
our
broad
report,
all
that
informational
before
you
for
the
proper
public
debate,
and
we
respect
that
there
can
be
different
opinions
and
it's
up
to
you
when
we
did
our
benchmarking
analysis
of
other
communities,
they've
completely
closed
down
their
entire
City
Hall.
You
can't
enter
this
the
building
itself
without
going
through
screening
in
some
jurisdictions.
We
haven't
done
that.
We
just
did
this
proactive
and
step
forward
for
this
Justus
chambers.
The
rest
of
City
Hall
is
open.
M
We
control
city
staff,
you
can't
get
into
city
staff
offices
without
getting
screwed
without
being
screened
in
and
you
can't
get
the
councillor
to
the
mayor's
area
without
council
or
other
offices
or
the
mayor's
area
without
being
screened
in.
So
we
have
a
temporary
balance.
We
feel
so
directly.
Your
question
absolutely
we
understand
this
is
a
broad
debate
that
you
have
to
have,
and
you
will
direct
us
into
what
you
feel
at
the
end
is
appropriate.
M
The
measures
we've
put
in
now,
whether
it's
the
bollards
as
a
result
of
world
events
and
vehicle
borne
attacks,
whether
it's
a
Nathan
Cirillo,
being
able
to
lock
down
this
building
like
any
other
building
or
now.
The
security
measures
for
this
council.
We
found
were
justified
based
on
the
threats
that
we
had
and
our
responsibility
to
do
to
ensure
safety
of
everyone
in
this
building.
But
the
more
broad
debate
outcome,
and
unfortunately
it
didn't
come
last
year
when
it
was
supposed
to
so.
M
The
data
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
is
staff
the
don't
support
that
conclusion
just
because
that
said
that
doesn't
mean
that
it
has
exist.
Other
councillors,
some
of
the
councillors,
have
told
us
they're
hearing
a
you
know
through
people
that
that
that
exist,
we've
had
two
very
distinct
cases.
In
both
those
cases.
We've
worked
with
those
individuals
to
allow
access
here
and
when
we
bring
back
the
academic
literature,
the
benchmarking
I
think
then
we're
gonna
have
more
information,
so
you
can
have
a
broader
public
policy.
M
Again,
it's
not
up
the
staff
to
agree
or
disagree.
We
we
just
the
facts,
currently
don't
support
that
conclusion,
but
that
doesn't
mean
it's
it's
not
there,
and
perhaps
the
academic
literature
and
some
of
the
other
information
that
we'll
have
in
the
broader
body
will
bring
that
forward
for
a
more
wholesome
debate.
I
can't
I
can't
support
that
right
now,.
J
Okay,
so
that's
that's
the
chasm
that
that
I
want
to
work
with
you,
especially
to
try
to
cross
it's
important
for
you
to
understand.
Why
we're
saying
that
why
we
feel
that
physical
security
measures
keep
lots
of
people
who
don't
want
to
be
screened
for
all
kinds
of
legitimate
reasons,
away
from
City
Hall
and
our
democracy
is
the
poorer
for
it
all
right.
Thank
you,
chair,
götze,
Terry,
great
Thank,
You
mr.
mayor,
and
it's
a
very
good
discussion.
We're
having
here
today.
J
But
the
things
that
I
think
about
the
most
is:
what
are
the
procedures
now
when
we
have
dignitaries
we're
a
population
of
a
million
people
and
we've
had
some
very
big
names
come
here,
we've
had
our
Prime
Minister
we've
had
Minister
McLeod
here
and
I'll.
Tell
you.
I
was
just
talking
to
councilor
harder
about
the
situation
when
Minister
McLeod
was
here
in
the
past,
where
a
person
that
was
in
the
gallery-
and
this
was
in
the
media
that
has
been
charged
twice
for
harassing
her.
M
Mayor,
it
doesn't
actually
the
case
that
you
you've
indicated
staff
work
whenever
we
have
a
dignitary
of
that
nature
coming
here,
we
work
with
the
MPPs
OPP
protective
detail
in
the
case
of
the
prime
minister.
Obviously
the
RCMP
protective
detail
and
we
adjust
our
plans
based
on
their
protectee
and
we've
had
those
situations
which
you
were
aware
and
we
had
evacuation
plans,
etc.
M
That
was
already
in
place,
but
those
are
all
elements
that
added
to
some
of
the
discussion
that
we
had,
that
we
got
feedback
both
from
the
RCMP
and
the
OPP
and
their
specialists,
as
well
as
Ottawa
police.
That
did
the
the
first
analysis
for
us
about
these
chambers
and
and
committee
rooms
as
well
too.
So
their
professional
opinion
was
part
of
some
of
this
debate
and
again
I
want
to
reassure
everyone
around
this
table
that
that'll
form
part
of
the
information
you'll
have
for
the
broader
debate.
This
fall
as
well
too,
and.
J
It's
funny
you
mentioned
that
about
the
procedures
in
the
event
that
something
would
happen.
I
remember
that
meeting
very
clearly
where
we
were
educated
as
counselors
around
the
table.
Okay,
this
side
of
the
table
you're
going
to
go
in
that
back
room.
If
there's
an
incident
in
this
side
of
the
table,
you're
going
in
there
and
there'll
be
two
cops
waiting
to
protect
you
guys.
If
something
happens,
I
prefer
to
have
the
extra
level
of
security
at
that
door.
The
other
thing
I
just
want
to.
J
Thank
you,
because
please
don't
be
offended
by
the
discussions
here
today.
We
all
really
truly
appreciate
the
work
you
and
your
security
team
do
I've
watched
over
many
years
where
we've
had
death
threats
against
counselors
or
you've
added
on
extra
features,
and
you
test
the
buttons
underneath
any
of
our
desks
to
make
sure
that
they
work
to
ensure
that
staff
as
well
as
elected
officials,
are
protected
and
I.
Don't
hear
anyone
advocating
to
take
those
out
and
open
up
our
doors
there
so
I
think
we're
certainly
moving
in
the
right
direction.
S
Know
I
know
my
card,
my
right
counselor,
dr.
Tiye,
some
of
the
thought
I
was
gonna,
say,
but
I
want
to
thank
staff
sincerely
for
being
proactive
because
security
in
general
in
this
country,
not
just
in
the
city
hall,
it's
always
build
on
and
and
after
the
fact
we
start
taking
our
shoes,
because
a
shoe
bomber
resort
to
put
their
hand
inside
our
pants.
We
got
somebody
smuggling
something
we
start
going.
The
problem
until
just
like
going.
You
know
with
all
the
tight
security
all
because
something
happened.
S
I'm
proud
of
you
of
doing
something
before
something
really
happened,
and
if
that's
very
hard
for
other
to
understand
is
too
bad
when
it
comes
to
operational
security.
Safety.
Is
your
job
not
to
tell
all
the
detail
before
you
do
something
on
a
proactive
side.
So
thank
you
for
doing
this
and
I'm
not
looking
for
a
report
to
the
committee
to
comfort
to
learn
more
about
it
because
I'm
satisfied
with
that
decision,
you
made
Thank.
C
Thanks
very
much
cancer
camo.
You
already
said
something:
your
name
is:
first,
okay,
thanks
thanks
mr.
mayor,
just
just
a
couple
of
points
that
I
want
to
make
because
I
understand,
people
fear
that
they
have
a
potential
fear
being
in
this
place
in
some
cases
or
or
they
could
feel
more
fear
than
say
somebody
does
on
this
side
of
the
table
because
they
could
see
somebody
I
understand
that
and
that
that
fear
is
legitimate
in
some
in
some
cases
you
feel
that
so
you
can't
take
that
away.
Somebody
feels
that
fear.
C
They
feel
that
I
guess
for
me.
There's
there's
two
points
that
I
want
to
highlight
here.
That's
important
that
we
get
back
is
the
evidence
that
what
we're
doing
outside
the
chambers
is
making
a
marked
difference
in
security.
For
us,
we
I
want
to
make
sure
we
see
that
that
that
putting
these
up
actually
does
reduce
the
chance
of
something
occurring.
What
are
the
chances
of
something
occurring?
What
does
the
research
say
in
terms
of
the
chance
of
something
occurring
to
to
us
this
chamber
and
does
what
we've
put
in
place?
C
Have
the
evidence
behind
it?
An
effectiveness
of
what
we're
trying
to
target
and
that's
I've,
asked
that
of
staff.
I
hear
that
that's
going
to
come
back
in
a
review
and
councilor
suds
has
mentioned
it
going
to
committee.
That
is
exactly
what
I
think
should
be
happening.
We
need
to
have
that
discussion.
C
Let's
make
sure
the
evidence
is
there
to
say
yes,
this
is
making
us
safer
in
the
first
place,
because
what
I've,
what
I've,
seen
what
I've
research
it
doesn't
throw
that,
but
I
want
to
see
I
want
to
make
sure
we
get
that
back,
and
the
second
point
that
I
want
to
get
back
is
around
what
councilor
leaper
has
said
that
the
evidence
that
this
doesn't
decrease
democratic
participation.
Those
are
the
two
main
pieces
for
me
in
this
debate.
I,
don't
want
to
take
away
from
someone's
feelings
in
this
room
that
happens.
C
People
feel
the
way
they
feel
it's
and
I.
Don't
want
this
to
be
a
visceral
debate
in
that
way,
I
want
to
make
sure
we
get
the
evidence
to
make
sure
what
we
see.
The
point
is
made
sort
of
what,
if
we
didn't
do
this,
what
if
we
didn't
do
this
I?
Don't
people
getting
so
angry,
but
what,
if
we
didn't,
do
this
and
something
occurred?
Well,
what
if
we
do
this
and
something
occurs?
What
to
what
level
do
we
go
to
here?
C
The
question
can
be
asked
in
that
way
as
well,
so
I
I
want
to
make
sure
we
get
the
evidence
on
the
table.
I'm.
Looking
forward
to
the
report,
I
thank
staff
for
for
going
through
and
giving
us
that
that
information
and
a
piece
about
consultation
that
is
extremely
important,
so
I'm,
looking
forward
to
the
discussion
in
the
future
thanks
man,
so.
A
Q
Thank
you,
I
just
want,
after
the
comments
I
just
have
to
say
something.
I
spent
over
30
years
on
on
Parliament,
Hill
and
I
worked
in
an
office
very
close
with
security.
This
is
not
my
first
rodeo
on
security
and
I,
certainly
understand
it,
and
I
certainly
understand
the
importance
we
worked
with
multi-levels.
Q
This
is
about
asking
about
a
gender
lens
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
no
security.
It
means
looking
at
it
and
through
a
gender
lens,
and
that
was
the
point.
I
was
trying
to
make
to
get
up
on
soap
boxes
and
talk
about
that
security
is
important
and
other
people
don't
think
it's
important
is
not
quite
what
I'm
talking
about
I
made
it
very
clear
that
I
wanted
to
see
a
gender
lens
I
think
that's
important,
because
we've
made
a
commitment
to
that
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
less
security.
Q
A
A
It
was
only
the
Prime
Minister's
protective
detail
that
had
guns,
not
the
armed,
not
the
security
guards
that
are
in
in
security,
outfits
and
guess
what
you
go
up
there.
Now
every
single
security
guard
has
a
gun
has
been
through
the
RCMP
training,
so
the
worst
kind
of
security
is
always
reacting
the
best
kind
and
make
no
apologies
members
of
staff.
You
did
the
right
thing.
We
cannot
micromanage
every
single
aspect
of
this
corporation.
We
have
a
new
security
team.
Here
called
the
commissionaires.
A
We
didn't
have
a
public
town
hall
meeting
to
decide
who
was
gonna
win
the
RFP,
because
we
have
experts
on
staff
who
have
the
responsibility,
the
background
of
the
knowledge
to
make
these
decisions
based
on
evidence
and
data
and
information
from
what's
happening
in
other
places,
and
you
know
what
who
needs
a
hunting
knife
to
come
in
to
a
city
council
meeting.
Thank
goodness
those
steps
were
in
place.
A
You
took
I
think
five,
six
seven
9s,
including
a
hunting
knife
away
from
someone
who
could
have
done
harm
to
a
member
of
the
public
or
a
staff
member
or
an
elected
official.
You
go
to
a
Sens
game.
Now
you
go
through
a
metal
detector.
You
know
a
friend
of
a
counselor
brings
knitting
knives
or
knitting
needles
and
wonders
why
she
stopped
and
she
can't
bring
them
in
try
bringing
that
on
an
airplane.
It's
not
allowed.
The
world
is
changing.
A
The
world
is
unfortunately,
getting
nastier
when
some
people
are
using
a
vehicle
as
their
weapon
of
choice.
Look
at
the
Christmas
market
in
Germany,
closer
to
home,
the
67
people
killed
in
Toronto
I.
Think
there's
only
one
person
around
this
table
who
has
a
background
in
security
and
it's
councilor
lulav,
who
served
us
bravely
in
the
Armed
Forces.
So
the
threats
are
different
and
we
have
to
constantly
be
vigilant
that
there
are
people
out
there
who
may
wish
to
do
us
harm.
A
So
when
the
bullets
came
in
I
thought
that
was
great
because
we
have
so
many
people
that
use
the
plaza
on
Laurier,
Avenue
for
festivals
and
community
activities,
and
so
on.
Can
you
imagine
if
a
car
just
hopped
the
curb
and
went
in
and
plowed
through
10
20,
30
people
and
we
saw
such
carnage
on
our
own
backyard?
A
Give
me
a
break
I'm
sorry,
but
that
is
not
preventing
people
from
coming
from
City
Hall
and
we've
made
this
City
Hall
by
the
way
to
follow-up
in
councilor
harness
point
of
view,
more
accessible,
more
use.
Each
member
council
has
a
free
booking
that
they
can
use.
We've
had
I
think
a
37
percent
increase
in
the
number
of
people
coming
here
because
of
the
art
galleries
and
the
Sports
Hall
of
Fame
and
the
little
Museum
we
have
and
I
think
that's
great.
But
the
reality
is
that
we
have
to
be
vigilant.
A
You
know
when
I
arrived
here,
I
guess
ten
years
ago,
nine
years
ago
and
I
didn't
realize
the
door
in
the
mayor's
office
was
locked
and
you
had
to
swipe
in,
or
you
had
to
buzz
in
I
said:
that's
crazy.
I'm
gonna
have
an
open-door
policy.
You
know
what
that
lasted
a
week,
because
there
were
three
incidents
where
people
came
forward.
They
clearly
had
some
challenges
and
it
was
not
safe
for
my
staff
and
we
have
in
one
of
my
offices
along
the
corridor.
A
One
member
of
staff
keeps
the
the
pictures
of
six
or
seven
people
who
have
threatened
me
or
threatened
the
staff.
I
had
a
death
threat.
The
gentleman
was
charged
and
found
guilty
not
too
long
ago.
I
had
two
others
before,
so
those
pictures
are
reminded
of
the
staff
to
make
sure
that
they're
not
allowed
in
one
person
came
I.
Think
with
us
a
shield
and
a
sword,
one
time
well,
obviously,
they're
not
looking
for
help
on
a
municipal
issue
when
they're
coming
with
that
kind
of
paraphernalia.
A
So
we
have
to
be
vigilant
for
ourselves
for
our
families,
for
the
members
of
the
public
and
certainly
for
our
own
individual
staff,
so
I
fully
support
the
measures.
I,
don't
think
we
have
to
go
through
and
apologize
for
doing
your
job.
Your
job,
mr.
Poirier,
is
to
ensure
that
the
corporate
security
around
this
place
is
taken
care
of
and
that
it's
reasonable
level
of
security
I
don't
want
the
place
to
turn
into
Fort
Knox.
A
But
folks,
that's
not
Fort
Knox,
it's
a
very
minimal
a
process
for
people
to
get
through,
and
anyone
here
and
the
public
have
any
trouble
getting
through.
Today,
I
haven't
had
I,
think
I,
don't
know
if
I've
had
one
complaint
and
I
think
we
heard
from
staff,
there's
been
two
formal
complaints
and
those
two
issues
because
of
accessibility
issues
were
taken
care
of
very
professionally
and
respectfully,
with
the
dignity
of
the
individuals
that
at
heart.
So
thank
you
and
we're
now
off
to
councillor
dude
ass.
D
So
I
have
a
motion
to
resolve
in-camera
that
in
accordance
with
procedure,
bylaw
2019
8,
the
Finance
and
Economic
Development
Committee
resolved
in-camera
pursuant
to
subsection,
13
1d
labor
relations
and
employ
negotiations
and
13
1f.
The
receiving
of
advice
that
is
subject
to
solicitor,
client,
privilege
and
clean
communications
necessary
for
that
purpose.
On.