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Finance and Economic Development Committee meeting – March 9, 2020 - Special Meeting – Audio Stream
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A
A
B
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
so
just
here
to
to
give
an
update
on
the
design
construction
progress
for
for
Stage,
two
of
the
trillium
line,
as
well
as
stage
two.
The
confederation
line,
pleased
to
be
here
as
part
of
this
quarterly
update.
So
just
as
a
reminder,
the
the
map
for
the
expanded
network
when
we
build
it
out
so
2022
I've
gotten
a
few
questions
from
people
about
whether
this
includes
a
full
build-out
to
the
airport.
Is
that
the
entire
system?
B
So
just
some
of
the
work
that's
ongoing,
so
stage
2,
as
we
all
know,
44
kilometers
of
new
rail
24,
new
stations
to
maintenance
and
storage
facilities.
So
we
have
the
new
maintenance
and
storage
facility,
that's
being
built
out
on
court
near
cork,
stone,
Road
and
moody
in
that
general
area.
We
also
have
the
new
Walkley
Road,
msf,
that's
being
built,
so
we'll
have
three
maintenance
facilities
for
the
new
trains
or
at
once
stage.
B
B
B
B
Just
so
right
now,
people
residents
will
see
a
couple
of
major
new
new
sites.
Construction
sites
that
have
started
up
you've
got
a
big
set
of
trailers
near
baseline
station.
You've
got
a
big
set
of
trailers
near
Montreal,
Road
interchange.
You
know
there
have
been
several
hundred
people
here
in
Ottawa
on-site
working
on
construction,
but
later
this
year,
transit
NEX
will
have
approximately
700
people
working
on
the
project
across
that
line,
and
then
resource
will
peak
at
roughly
1600
by
the
end
of
the
summer.
B
I'm
having
clicker
problems,
you
do
it,
ok,
so
just
a
little
bit
of
background.
So
this
is
a
financial
table
that
we
include
in
the
quarterly
memo
that
goes
out.
The
next
one
is
due
to
go
out
in
the
next
week,
or
so
just
gives
you
a
sense
of
for
stage
2.
We
switched
to
an
earned
value
model
as
opposed
to
a
a
milestone
model
that
we
used
in
stage
1.
So
on
a
monthly
basis,
we
receive
earned
value
payments,
submissions
that
are
provided
by
the
two
teams.
B
This
the
trillium
line
contract
actually
had
a
69
million
dollar
initial
capital
investment
as
part
of
the
p3,
so
they
had
to
do
69
million
dollars
worth
of
work
validated
by
the
independent
certifier
prior
to
us,
making
any
construction
period
payments
so
they've
made
they've
achieved
the
69
million
and
there's
another
35
million
of
design
and
construction
work
essentially
completed.
So
there
are
over
a
hundred
million
dollars
into
their
project
against
636
million
during
the
the
construction
period
payment.
B
There
was
a
question
earlier
about
stage
2,
as
it
relates
to
the
work
that
our
TG
has
done.
Obviously,
the
the
500
million
dollar
variation
to
their
contract
was
let
a
couple
of
years
ago
that
included
roughly
a
hundred
million
dollars
for
them
to
expand
the
maintenance
building.
But
it
also
includes
this
stage:
2
stage
two
vehicles,
so
there
was
a
large
mobilization
fee
and
they
are
slowly
working
through
that
that
contract.
B
So
that'll
be
a
you
know,
very
visible
presence,
as
you
see
that
vehicle
wrapped
up
and
on
basically
a
flatbed
truck
coming
to
the
the
maintenance
facility,
where
they're
gonna
break
it
up
in
two
pieces.
Put
it
back
together,
put
those
two
pieces
back
together
at
the
the
mainus
facility
at
belfast
and
then
it'll
be
put
on
the
line
for
the
dynamic
testing.
So
a
lot
of
work
underway
there
with
with
the
stage
2
vehicle
contract.
B
So,
just
quickly
give
you
some
updates
on
the
Trillium
line
the
progress
we're
making
there
so
construction
drawings,
a
big
activity-
that's
happening
this
year-
is
the
work
at
the
airport
station.
We
actually
had
to
close
a
loading
dock
at
the
airport
facility.
We
have
an
agreement
with
the
airport
to
close
a
road
that
approaches
the
the
loading
dock
for
a
large,
the
better
part
of
this
year
to
get
in
do
our
work
and
get
out
of
the
way
so
that
work
is
underway.
B
Final
designs,
trillium
line,
is
really
marked
by
a
number
of
rail
/
road,
great
separations,
the
the
Confederation
Line
is
more
road
/
rail
and
on
the
Trillium
rail
/
Road.
So
a
lot
of
these
these
structures
are
in
the
ground
or
their
final
designs
for
the
piers
and
the
pier
caps
and
the
girder
structures
are
underway,
so
we're
making
good
progress
there.
B
And
then,
in
terms
of
kind
of
the
designs
that
are
coming
out
later,
some
preliminary
designs
for
a
couple
of
there's
a
couple
under
passes
under
the
Trillium
Line
at
Carleton
University,
so
we're
increasing
double-tracking
at
those
locations,
and
so
we
actually
have
to
widen
or
lengthen,
depending
on
the
your
orientation
those
structures
to
allow
that
double
tracking
at
those
locations.
So
that's
that's
a
lot
of
work.
That's
going
to
be
happening
at
the
campus
once
we
start
that
closure,
obviously
the
via
great
separation
and
then
all
the
work,
all
the
work
to
the
south.
B
Now
that
the
the
structures
are
kind
of
advanced
or
to
a
point
where
they're
under
construction
and
the
designs
are
advanced.
We're
into
the
point
now,
where
we're
doing
the
final
guide,
wases
the
track
and
the
switch
layout
for
the
Trillium,
Line
south
and
then
early
very
early
design.
Preliminary
designs
on
some
of
the
signage
work,
the
comm
system.
So,
as
you
know,
for
the
Trillium
Line,
we're
upgrading
all
of
the
the
platform
signage
to
include
next
trade.
B
So
next
next
slide
shows
the
construction
schedule
and
just
kind
of
in
terms
of
the
work
that
we've
already
started:
a
lime,
Bank,
south
keys
and
the
airport
link.
Obviously
you
know
the
beginning
of
May
is
when
we're
going
to
shut
down
the
existing
line.
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
second,
so
this
this
map
is
basically
on
the
precipice
of
having
every
single
area
of
the
line
under
construction
shortly,
so
give
you
a
few
shots
of
some
of
the
construction
progress,
so
Walkley
msf.
So
this
is
the
maintenance
and
storage
facility
a
purpose-built
facility.
B
It
needs
to
be
in
the
ground
right
away.
We've
got
a
we're
currently
operating
the
Trillium
Line
out
of
an
existing
CP
facility.
Our
lease
is
ending
there.
We
need
to
get
out
of
that
facility
and
enter
our
new
facility,
so
this
will
be
one
of
the
first
kind
of
structures
that
will
be
fully
complete
a
bunch
of
work.
That's
going
on
at
that
location.
Again,
it's
adjacent
to
live
tracks,
the
existing
Trillium
Line
and
adjacent
to
an
active
cen
storage
yard.
B
So
a
lot
of
activity
in
a
very
confined
space,
but
they're
they're
moving
quickly
in
terms
of
getting
the
foundation
work
done
now
which
are
showing
on
the
next
slide
foundation.
So
helical
piles
going
into
the
ground
welding
cap
caps
being
welded
on
top,
will
put
beams
across
that
and
that'll
serve
as
the
foundation
for
the
structure
so
that
once
they
get
going
with
those
beams,
that
structure
will
come
out
of
the
ground
rather
quickly.
You
know
it
would
be.
B
The
next
shot,
just
just
to
kind
of
give
you
a
sense
of
proximity
to
the
to
the
existing
rail
line,
the
act
of
line,
there's
a
fence
there
between
the
construction
site
and
and
the
line
the
Trillium
Line
vehicles
as
they're
launched
into
service.
So
this
is
kind
of
a
and
then
just
on
the
other
side
of
that
as
an
act
of
C
n
yard,
where
C
n
does
freight
deliveries
to
that
location
storage.
B
But
we
also
still
have
an
obligation
throughout
the
construction
period
to
provide
freight
deliveries
to
the
NRC
facility,
just
shut
just
south
of
Lester
Road,
which
is
a
very
kind
of
a
big
logistical
challenge
for
the
project
terms
of
making
that
access
available
at
all
times
or
within
discrete
periods
for
the
NRC.
So
just
a
summary
of
the
construction.
So
there's
a
total
of
19
structures
that
are
being
new
structures
or
existing
structures
that
are
being
refurbished.
Five
are
essentially
underway.
The
first
four
they're
airport,
parkway
I'll,
show
you
some
photos
of
that
uplands
drive.
B
B
So
Airport
Parkway,
so
you've,
probably
seen
if
you
drive
that
Road
you
see
that
on
the
right
hand,
as
you're
going
to
where's
the
airport,
the
right-hand
side,
you
see
the
the
piers
and
the
pier
cap
on
the
left-hand
side.
You
see
the
pier
caps
I
think
underway
now,
but
we've
actually
reserved
space
for
a
future
widening
of
the
airport
Parkway
so
further,
as
you're
approaching
the
airport.
B
Further
to
the
your
left-hand
side,
there's
another
set
of
columns
and
another
pier
cap
that
will
be
there
to
allow
the
future
widening
to
happen
without
any
impact
on
on
the
service.
So
we
go
to
the
next
one.
You
can
see
the
the
pier
cap
under
way
the
photo
of
it
so
there's
the
the
caissons
and
then
the
piers,
and
then
the
pier
cap,
which
is
going
to
support
girders.
B
So
later
this
year
you
should
I,
don't
have
the
exact
date
yet,
but
at
some
point,
there'll
be
an
overnight
closure
or
weekend
closure
of
the
airport
Parkway
to
place
the
girders
that
go
between
the
two,
pier
caps
across
that
location.
So
they'll
close
the
road
while
they
do
that
work
go
to
the
next
one.
This
is
the
pier
cap
after
it's
stripped
off,
so
this
is
kind
of
the
finished
product.
B
One
look
one
out
of
the
three:
if
you
go
to
the
next
one,
you
see
the
you
see
the
other
columns
and
future
pier
cap
location
kind
of
coming
out
of
the
ground.
So
you
see
you
know
the
the
airport
is
in
the
distance
and
then
the
foreground
shows
the
the
existing
caissons
and
piers
that
are
in
progress
and
then
behind
us
would
be
where
the
additional
peers
and
pure
cap
would
be
installed
for
that
kind
of
secondary
that
roadway.
That
will
be
built
in
the
future,
the
other
one.
B
If
you
drive
past
the
airport,
if
you
take
uplands
to
get
to
the
airport,
there's
a
it,
doesn't
need
to
be
as
wide
at
that
location,
it's
down
to
a
single
track,
but
there's
a
pier
cap
formed
at
one
location
in
Port
and
set
and
ready
to
go
the
other
location.
So
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide
and
show
you
the
picture
of
that.
So
there's
the
the
pier
cap,
construction
underway
on
the
other
side
of
the
road.
B
But
you
know
making
good
progress
there,
Earl
Armstrong
same
thing,
mobilization
of
the
caisson
subcontractors
number,
the
caissons
and
the
piers
are
underway.
This
is
actually
also
in
in
the
design
we've
provisioned
for
the
future
widening
of
Armstrong
Road
there's
also
some
work
to
take
out
the
funny
jog
and
the
curve
at
that
location,
and
so
that
Armstrong
goes
straight
through
so
just
a
photo
of
the
the
activity
that
you'll
see
at
the
location.
B
If
you
drive
past
so
they've
mobilized
on
the
ground,
you
see
on
the
right-hand
side
a
series
of
the
the
essentially
the
the
column
pieces
that
are
used
to
for
the
caisson,
and
then
the
drill
rig
there
too,
to
actually
get
it
into
the
ground
line.
Bank
is
the
next
one.
So
line
bank
is,
as
you
know,
as
we
reported
at
the
last
Fed
codes
or
maybe
a
couple
ago
now,
I'm
going
to
an
elevated
station,
so
we're
going
to
a
change
from
what
was
shown
at
the
bid
phase.
B
Where
was
that
grade
this
one's
elevated?
So
we
have
to
do
multiple
structures
to
get
to
an
elevated
line,
Bank
station
up
over
the
road
and
then
up
to
an
elevated
station
of
that
location.
Just
some
older
photos
of
line
Bank
station.
Obviously
this
is
is
back
from
the
fall
just
to
give
a
sense
of
how
much
work
was
done
at
the
time.
So
the
Foundation's,
the
granular
base,
has
been
installed
at
those
locations.
Making
good
progress
in
terms
of
getting
ready
as
soon
as
Sooners
winter
leaves
us
we'll
be
back
in
there
with
force.
B
So
a
couple
more
photos
of
just
some
of
the
guideway
work:
that's
happening
in
those
locations,
so
the
act
great
guideway
work
is
fairly
straightforward.
It
can
progress
quite
rapidly
once
the
foundation
is
set,
you're,
just
building
up
ballast
and
euros
into
installing
rail
right
away,
so
that
can
go
quite
quickly.
Some
upcoming
activities
for
for
later
this
year
so
start
up
a
rail
bridge
or
a
hunt.
Club
Road,
so
Hunt
Club
right
now,
there's
a
single
rail
bridge
over
the
road
and
we're
actually
double
tracking
at
that
location.
B
B
Reference
here
to
the
underpasses
or
carlton
will
be
working
on
the
new
new
stations
along
the
extension.
Guideway
construction
will
continue,
and
then
you
know
the
big.
The
big
one
here
is
really
the
shut
down
on
May
3rd
2020
to
facilitate
the
work
on
the
existing
line.
So,
on
the
next
slide,
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
work
so
extending
all
of
the
state's
existing
stations
adding
two
new
stations
a
station
at
Walkley
a
station
on
Gladstone.
Obviously
the
the
MTO
is
going
to
be
doing
their
bridge
replacement
project.
B
If
you,
if
you
drive
by
at
that
location
right
now,
you'll
see
the
preliminary
form
works
in
place
for
them
to
be
able
to
push
that
that
new
new
bridge
into
place.
The
existing
bridge
is
going
to
be
demolished
basically
in
the
vertical
direction,
so
it'll
be
dropped
down
and
then
they'll
push
the
new
structure
in
overtop
over
a
weekend.
B
Closure
I
don't
have
the
date
for
that
closure,
but
as
soon
as
you'll
be
the
first
to
know
as
soon
as
I
know,
that
would
be
a
kind
of
a
big
event,
I
think
to
replace
that
bridge
and
obviously
the
the
replacement
bus
service
coming
in
and
will
provide
a
bit
more
detail
on
the
routing
and
the
updates
and
the
quantity
of
buses
at
the
March
18th
Transit
Commission,
so
train
East.
So
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
activity
going
on
in
the
in
the
eastern
section
yeah.
B
So
just
to
kind
of
give
you
a
highlight
of
you
know.
The
crux
of
the
the
work
in
the
East
is
related
to
greens,
Creek
and
some
culverts
over
a
major
creek
in
that
area.
Montreal
flyover
bridge.
So
this
is
actually
a
new
rail
bridge.
That's
going
to
take
the
train
from
the
middle
of
the
road
to
the
side
of
one
side
of
the
highway
to
be
able
to
kind
of
get
it
into
Blair
station
and
then
the
actual
montreal
montreal
structure
itself
for
the
Montreal
Road
overpass,
but
also
a
Montreal
station.
B
And
I've
pretty
pretty
well
advanced
in
terms
of
final
design,
but
obviously
still
some
opportunity
to
influence
the
the
minutiae
of
those
stations
and
the
connectivity.
Pre
final
designs:
traction
power,
substations,
comm
systems,
traction
power
system,
wide
track
and
guideway
overall
design.
So
you
know
the
the
Confederation
East
has
a
bit
of
a
kind
of
a
longer
life
span,
so
we
see
stuff
coming
in
a
little
bit
more
quickly
on
the
trillium
line.
B
These
ones
have
a
little
bit
more
time
to
develop,
and
then
the
construction
schedule
here
again
similar
to
similar
to
the
Trillium
Line.
Essentially
the
entire
line
is
going
to
be
under
construction.
By
the
end
of
this
year
we
should
see
stations
start
to
pop
up
by
the
end
of
the
year.
You
should
see
major
works
happening
at
Montreal
Road
over
the
summer,
so
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
activity.
B
The
activity
right
now
is
focused
on
Montreal
Road,
as
well
as
greens,
Creek,
but
very
quickly
behind
that,
as
soon
as
they
get
some
work
done,
there
they'll
be
able
to
move
very
quickly.
So,
just
in
terms
of
some
of
the
construction
tree
and
vegetation
clearing
is
approximately
98%
complete.
Obviously,
we've
got
an
April
1st
deadline
after
April
1st
because
of
the
bird
migration
season.
B
We
need
to
stop
vegetation
removal
so
we'll
certainly
respect
that
deadline
and
then
a
bunch
of
work
at
Montreal
Road
with
the
interchange
so
we're
putting
in
supports
to
support
the
existing
structures
that
are
there.
While
we
build
out
the
new
structures,
some
water
main
relocations
and
then
an
access
road
to
be
able
to
get
into
greens
Creek
to
do
the
work,
we
need
to
do
there.
B
So
if
you,
if
you
bear
with
me-
and
this
is
actually
a
lot-
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
questions
about
how-
how
do
we
run
the
the
LRT
down
the
middle
of
the
the
174?
And
so
this?
This
video
is
a
very
good
visual
of
of
essentially
the
work
that
were
some
work.
That's
ongoing,
but
also
it
ends
with
a
little
piece
on
how
we're
adjusting
the
road
and
how
we're
getting
the
the
station
in
between
the
two
lanes
of
the
road
network.
B
B
You
see
on
the
bottom
right
one
of
the
lane
configurations
that
was
already
done
kind
of
last
year
in
terms
of
moving
a
lane
out
of
the
way
they'll
be.
You
know,
you
can
kind
of
see
an
abandoned
set
of
lanes
there
on
the
right-hand
side
as
well.
So
there'll
be
a
series
of
reconfigurations
through
this
area.
I
think
the
next
next
couple
of
slides
kind
of
give
you
a
sense
of
you
know
the
type
of
work
that's
going
on
at
that
location,
just
in
terms
of
it.
B
Actually
we
go
back
one
Mattos
tall,
one
more
thing:
I'll
just
say
about
Montreal
Road
in
the
middle
of
Montreal
Road.
We
actually
have
to
install
six
piers
to
support
the
existing
or
the
new
structures
and
the
new
roadway
structures
in
order
to
get
into
the
roadway
we're
going
to
start
seeing
lane
closures
on
Montreal
Road
in
this
section,
starting
in
April
part
of
that
you
know,
the
contractor
we've
given
them
authority
under
the
contract
to
start
June
to
essentially
the
Labor
Day,
is
in
the
contract.
B
They've
come
back
to
us
and
asked
if
they
can
start
have
an
early
start
in
April,
with
those
lane
closures
still
being
finished
by
Labor
Day,
but
then
it
being
a
one-time
deal
where
they
don't
have
to
come
back
to
this
location
or
do
any
additional
lane
closures
on
Montreal
Road
in
the
future
and
so
I'm.
You
know
we
thought
that
was
a
pretty
good
offset
in
terms
of
doing
it
in
one
summer,
rather
than
having
to
split
that
work
over
multiple
summers,
and
so
that's
the
that's
the
current
plan
for
this
area.
B
B
So
this
is
kind
of
the
the
piles
going
into
the
ground,
and
then
you
see
the
filling
it
with
the
the
wood
structure
to
kind
of
hold
back
the
existing
ground,
allowing
them
to
backfill
and
work
on
either
side
and
work
on
the
one
side,
and
then
the
next
slide
just
kind
of
a
lot
of
excavation
in
this
area
to
make
space
for
poor
that
station.
That's
in
the
in
the
middle
of
the
road.
B
So
just
a
little
bit
of
the
look
ahead,
yeah,
so
we're
gonna,
the
the
highway
174
widening
is
continuing
the
flyover
preparatory
work.
They're
doing
some
work
at
John
dark.
The
intersection
reconfiguration
is
scheduled
to
happen
later
this
summer,
which
is
good
news.
There'll
be
some
work
on
trim,
interchange,
the
reconfiguration
there
to
make
way
for
the
station
and
the
the
final
Road
roadway
configuration
there.
B
Labor
Day
is
kind
of
their
deadline
to
get
off
of
there.
In
addition,
there'll
be
some
temporary
off-peak
lane
closures.
Previously
I
had
spoken
to
this
group
about
widening
of
the
entire
174
to
make
space
in
the
middle.
The
contractor
is
now
looking
at
between
Montreal
Road
and
Blair
station,
moving
all
the
traffic
to
one
side
of
the
road,
maintaining
the
trans
away
on
kind
of
the
northern
side
and
all
five
lanes
of
traffic.
Regular
traffic
will
be
on
the
southern
side.
They're
still
they're
still
reviewing
that
analyzing
it.
B
So
looking
at
the
West
it
just
in
terms
of
the
progress,
the
things
that
that
are
going
on
going
in
the
West,
the
construction
drawings
in
progress
with
the
the
track,
design,
light
maintenance
and
storage
facility,
a
lot
of
interface
with
the
MTO
and
this
that
means
the
storage
facility.
A
lot
of
interface
with
the
NCC,
obviously
doing
a
lot
of
work
in
their
area.
We
still
have
another
Parkway
detour
to
be
completed
to
move
the
the
SJM
out
of
the
way
to
create
space
for
the
future
tunnel
construction.
B
So
that's
supposed
to
happen
this
summer
and
then,
obviously
throughout
that
area,
there's
a
series
of
here
they're
called
overpasses.
It's
a
road,
overpass
and
pedestrian
or
pass
to
get
to
to
get
to
the
shoreline.
So
it'll
be
a
series
of
activities
on
those
structures
as
part
of
the
rope,
the
road
movements
to
make
sure
that
the
access
is
maintained.
B
B
We
we
essentially
gave
the
design-builder
than
90%
design
for
that
work,
and
so
they
advanced
it
further
just
to
kind
of
make
it
make
it
a
hundred
percent
some
preliminary
designs
that
are
underway,
so
a
series
of
stations
that
we're
working
on
additional
work
on
the
storage
facility
at
the
light
maintenance
facility
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
appropriate
storage
for
the
trains,
some
ramp
work
and
then,
obviously
all
the
stations.
Recently,
we
were
able
to
confirm
that
corks,
Town
Road
can
be
configured
as
a
two-way
road.
B
At
one
point,
during
the
design
due
to
the
lack
of
space,
Moody
was
going
to
essentially
cause
a
one-way
Road
through
that
area
we
can.
We
are
now
looking
at
a
two-way
Road
along
corks
town
past
moody
station,
which
is
I
think
in
the
interest
of
the
community.
I
think
they
pushed
for
that
very
hard,
so
glad
to
be
able
to
do
that
in
terms
of
the
construction
schedule
on
the
next
slide.
So
this
is
still
the
status
quo,
except
obviously
by
the
end
of
2020.
B
We
expect
the
entire
the
entire
West
to
be
under
construction
sieve
and,
except
for
the
last
bit
of
the
existing
transit
way
between
Tunney's
and
Dominion.
So
there's
still
some
additional
work
to
be
done
there,
infrastructure
Services,
is
doing
some
sewer
renewal
work
in
that
area.
We
need
to
install
a
temporary
bridge
across
the
trip,
the
trains
away
before
we
take
traffic
off
the
trends
away
onto
Scott
Street,
so
still
a
lot
of
planning
to
be
done
there
to
get
that
work
underway.
B
Some
vegetation,
cleanup
activity
so
still
underway
with
with
tree
removals
and
other
things
again,
our
April
1st,
being
our
deadline
for
when
we
need
to
stop
before
we
can
kind
of
restart
at
the
end
of
September
I,
don't
think,
there's
much
to
say
there
beyond
us.
Just
removing
trees
in
you
know
all
places
possible
at
this
time
to
support
construction
just
to
kind
of
a
look
at
Lincoln
fields,
some
of
the
the
preparatory
work
and
the
space
that
we
need
to
build
out.
B
The
network
at
that
location,
iris
station,
just
kind
of
a
quick
overview
of
the
location
that
virus
future
iris
station.
So
this
this
location,
you
know
we
removed
a
lot
of
trees
in
this
location,
but
and
and
we're
starting
construction
as
early
as
possible.
This
location
in
part,
because
there's
so
much
work
to
be
done
on
on
the
creek
through
this
area
moving
the
location
of
the
creek.
B
Essentially,
you
know,
through
the
area
the
blank
space
putting
in
a
new
station
having
to
build
a
new
road
overpass
as
a
series
of
things
here
that
we're
doing
to
essentially
reen
a
chiral
eyes.
The
area
improve
the
quality
of
the
street,
the
quality
of
the
stream
bed
and
the
street
like
the
creek
itself
and
and
so
we're
getting
an
early
start
to
the
extent
that
we
can
and
then
just
kind
of
looking
back
towards
towards
where
the
station
will
be
located.
B
Pine,
Crest,
Creek
pond,
so
we've
done
some
work
on
a
multi-use
pathway
in
that
area.
They
are
preserving
some
of
the
root
wads.
You
may
see
those
from
the
existing
trees.
You
may
see
those
starting
to
pile
up
in
different
locations,
they're,
actually
collecting
these
root
wads,
because
they're
going
to
be
used
in
the
construction
of
the
pond.
Apparently
I
I
didn't
wasn't
aware
this
to
you.
You
turn
them
over
and
stall
them
in
the
pond
and
they
prevent
not
pride.
B
They
prevent
loafing
and
nesting
opportunities
for
geese,
so
discouraging
the
geese
nesting
in
that
pond
likely
connected
to
the
you
know
the
pathways
for
the
for
the
nearby
airport,
just
a
quick
overview
of
what
the
the
Pinecrest
Creek
pond
design
looks
like
so
still
maintaining
all
the
multi-use
pathways
true
through
this
area.
Obviously,
the
big
in
catchment
area
at
the
bottom,
that
you
see
there
a
lot
of
work,
a
lot
of
investment
in
terms
the
number
of
trees
and
vegetation.
B
That's
going
back
into
this
area
once
it's
in
its
final
state,
so
some
upcoming
activities
that
you
that
you'll
see
in
the
community
so
byron
linear
park.
So
the
big
crux
of
a
challenge:
there
is
kind
of
moving
some
hydro
lines
out
of
the
way
hydra
one
has
a
restriction
on
when
we
can
move
essentially
hydra.
B
Once
we
have
that,
though,
they'll
start
in
earnest
on
that
location
and
a
lot
of
work
over
by
baseline
as
well,
we
can
get
access
into
that
location
quite
easily.
The
underground
station
already
exists,
and
so
once
the
designs
are
done,
we
should
be
able
to
work
in
there
pretty
much
unfettered
some
additional
activities
later
this
summer.
So
I
mentioned
the
the
sgm
relocation
to
make
way
for
the
tunnel.
So
then
that
cut
and
cover
tunnel
construction
will
start.
B
We
do
expect
to
see
the
moody
light
rail
facilities
start
up
as
well
we're
hoping
to
have
that
completed
by
2021
2022,
so
that'll
be
one
of
the
first
structures
that's
up
and
running
early
on
in
the
project.
So
just
a
reminder
of
the
s
gem.
Some
of
the
current
configuration
the
top
line
there.
So
you
see
the
the
yellow
line,
which
is
kind
of
conflicting
with
the
the
planned
future
rail
line.
B
So
we
need
to
move
that
out
of
the
way,
build
a
straight
line
and
then
we
get
into
that
temporary
condition
where
the
s
gem
is
out
of
the
way
and
allows
us
to
kind
of
build,
build
the
tunnel
and
then
the
parkway
will
be
moved
back
over
the
tunnel
in
certain
areas
once
we
come
back
and
put
it
in
its
final
configuration
just
from
a
high
level.
These
are
the
locations
and
the
tunnels,
so
parkway
tunnel
through
the
design
period,
is
expanded
a
little
bit.
B
It's
a
little,
it's
closer
to
three
kilometers
now
and
then
we've
got
a
cannot
tunnel
which,
in
the
bottom,
left
of
the
the
diagram,
they're
short
six
hundred
metre
tunnel,
roughly
just
to
kind
of
get
get
through
the
park
area
and
then
over
to
to
the
space
adjacent
to
the
highway.
Through
that
location,
we
thought
we'd
just
provide
it's
a
little
bit
tough
to
to
see
from
a
distance.
But
essentially
this
is
a
sequence
of
diagrams
that
show
the
methodology
to
do
the
cut
and
cover
tunnel.
B
So
starting
from
the
top
left.
You
know
you
have
the
traffic
in
the
way,
and
so
the
step
two
is
to
to
move
the
traffic
out
of
the
way,
which
is
kind
of
the
step
where
and
now
moving
the
sgm
out
of
the
way,
a
third,
the
top
right.
You
know
a
box
essentially
put
in
the
support
of
excavation,
so
you're
drilling
down,
depending
depending
on
the
the
ground
conditions,
there's
a
few
different
techniques
that
you
do
to
put
that
support
in
place
and
then
the
second
row.
B
You
essentially
excavate
the
space
between
the
supportive
excavation
before
you
fill
in
the
box,
which
becomes
your
tunnel
and
then
you
fill
it
over.
You
know
with
dirt
and
soil,
in
our
case
we're
putting
two
to
three
meters
of
cover
on
to
be
able
to
support
future
vegetation
or
in
some
instances
you
see
the
bottom,
the
last
nut
box
number
seven,
you
put
the
road
road
traffic
back
over
the
the
tunnel
so
that
that
will
be
the
case
in
some
locations,
but
not
all
all
locations.
B
But
this
essentially
gives
you
the
sequence
for
building
out
that
tunnel.
There'll,
be
a
variety
of
different
techniques
to
use
to
excavate
the
material
there'll
be
some
blasting
there'll,
be
some
kind
of
hammering
or
rock
header
style
movement
of
rock
through
that
area,
but
there'll
be
a
lot
of
work
to
remove
all
that
material.
B
So
if
you
get
go
to
the
next
slide,
you
see
a
kind
of
a
sense
of
when,
when
they're
planning
to
work
through
this
area,
so
they're
not
you
know,
because
it's
cut
and
cover
they
can
essentially
work
in
all
areas
all
the
time
they
don't
need
to
there's
nothing
sequential
necessarily
about
their
construction
activity.
So
you
see
a
couple
areas
where
they're
trying
to
get
in
there
in
the
spring
and
then
the
summer
after
the
detour
is
done.
They
want
to
go
as
quickly
as
they
can
into
that.
B
Putting
the
sports
in
and
then
excavating
material
next
slide
cannot
so
the
cannot
tunnel
and
then
the
station
at
that
location.
A
little
bit
later
in
the
year
back
into
the
fall
they've
got
some.
You
know,
obviously
a
difficult.
You
know
very
constrained
areas
to
get
in
and
out
of
that
location,
essentially
between
the
highway
in
an
industrial
park.
There
is
a
OC
transpose
facility
at
that
location.
B
It
gives
us
some
additional
access,
an
opportunity
to
get
in,
but
otherwise
fairly
constrained
and
so
they're
still
working
through
some
of
the
methodologies
on
how
they're
gonna
build
build
the
tunnel
and
essentially
build
a
new
cut
area
through
that
that
section
of
the
track
next
slide
just
shows
pine
grass
trench.
So
this
is
going
underneath
the
roadwork
they're
building
through
a
trench
to
provide
the
station
at
that
location
trying
to
get
in
there
by
this
fall
and
then
the
next
you
may
have
seen
the
stage
two
all
stone
citizens
vehicles
that
are
undergoing
testing.
B
So
we
are,
you
know
there
are
a
number
of
vehicles
still
being
assembled.
The
next
12
vehicles
are
being
assembled
in
Ottawa.
You
you've
probably
seen
a
few
of
these
vehicles.
We've
labeled
them
in
this
fashion
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
confusion
about
getting
on
these
trains
accidentally
because
they
do
run
during
service
hours,
primarily
in
the
late
weekday
evenings,
they've
been
bid
being
on
the
track,
we're
essentially
trying
to
prove
them
out
and
demonstrate
that
they
can
run
in
service
reliably.
The
next
two
are
close
to
being
ready.
B
There's
a
couple
of
there's
a
there's:
one
snag
that
we're
we've
asked
RTG
to
work
through
before
they
hand
those
trains
over.
Otherwise
we
are
going
through
and
making
sure
that
the
vehicle
is
up
to
date
with
the
latest
modifications,
so
they
do
have
the
strap
hangers.
There
are
a
couple
of
mitigations
for
the
inductor
failures.
B
They've
got
the
new
lids
on
on
the
roof
of
those
inductors
they've
got
the
insulators,
so
we
are
kind
of
following
up
and
making
sure
that
any
software
modifications,
Hardware
modifications
that
are
being
applied
to
the
existing
fleet
are
applied
to
the
to
the
new
vehicles
as
they
come
off
the
line.
So
just
overall,
where
are
these
38
vehicles,
so
23
still
in
production,
are
awaiting
production
for
in
production.
Seven
are
undergoing
testing,
and
so
there's
various
stages
of
testing
happening
here
and
in
Brampton
and
for
vehicles
are
in
in
acceptance
testing.
So
essentially
they've.
B
We've
received
the
safety
certification
from
the
signalling
supplier
from
the
the
train
manufacturer
and
we're
just
putting
them
through
their
paces
on
the
line
out
of
service
to
make
sure
that
they're
ready
to
go
once
we
do.
The
final
acceptance
and
confirm
that
we're
satisfied
with
their
operation,
then
they
would
be
added
to
the
existing
fleet
of
34
vehicles
and
you
hopefully
you'll
go
up
to
36
shortly
then
38
after
that.
So
to
help
essentially
bolster
the
fleet
that's
available
for
a
peak
service.
That's
that's
the
plan
with
those.
B
So
just
a
little
bit
to
end
on
a
note
regarding
engagement,
so
we've
done
a
number
of
drop-in
sessions
across
the
city
in
different
areas.
There's
been
different
requests
coming
in,
so
we've
got
a
large
team.
That's
that's
working
on
those
they're,
obviously
very
happy
to
to
participate
and
share
that
share
the
message
about
the
work.
That's
upcoming,
you
know,
are
doing
one-off
sessions
with
councillors
when
there's
specific
questions
and
trying
to
provide
as
much
information
about
the
design
and
the
current
progress
of
the
the
project
as
we
can
as
we
move
forward.
A
A
A
You
know,
I
know
you're
doing
the
bridge
over
the
the
Rideau
River,
but
as
if
you
looked
at
every
possible
way
to
try
to
keep,
because
you
know
the
students
and
the
staff
and
employees
are
you,
know,
love
the
the
o
train
and
or
to
replace
it
with
bus
service
for
a
long
period
of
time
is
I.
Think
they're
gonna
find
very
frustrating.
So
if
we
looked
at
seeing
if
we
can
keep
sections
of
it,
because
you
don't
have
the
same
catenary
system,
it's
a
diesel
train
very
self-contained.
I.
B
You
know
I
think
that,
prior
to
the
Trillium
Line
project
kind
of
being
awarded,
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
working
with
the
MTO.
The
MTO
was
coming
to
us
and
asking
for
access
to
the
line,
they're
looking
to
be
able
to
do
their
work
in
a
manner
that's
as
efficient
as
possible,
and
so
even
prior
to
the
us.
Knowing
about
having
the
shutdown,
there
was
a
series
of
requests
from
them
to
shut
the
line
down
for
a
couple
of
summers.
B
We
came
close
to
doing
a
shutdown
for
them
last
summer
or
I,
don't
recall
if
it
was
as
long
as
they
wanted,
but
certainly
you
know
their
scope
of
work
and
the
activity
that
they
need
to
do
in
that
area
prohibits
us
from
running
from
Carling
to
Bayview,
for
this
we've,
essentially
given
them
that
land
to
do
the
work
in
that
area.
The
other
crux
of
the
area
is
really
the
the
great
separation
at
via
diamond,
which
is
a
major
bridge
structure
that
needs
to
be
built
and
so
very
quickly.
B
C
Thank
you,
I
think
mr.
mayor
and
I'd
like
to
begin
by
thanking
staff
for
been
here
all
day
and
answer
some
question
and
I'd
like
to
begin
by
asking
the
city
manager,
so
we
have
among
us.
We
have
the
procurement
process
chief
I
believe,
and
the
fairness
commissioner
with
us
is
that
who
we
have
with
us.
So
my
question
to
the
fairness
Commission
first
I'd
like
to
ask
we
hear
time
and
time
again:
council,
delegate
authority
to
staff
and
staff.
C
D
C
D
C
C
I'm
not
but
I
want
to
meet
I
want
to
understand
with
the
furnace
Commission
and
the
procurement
chief
of
what
they
involve
with
this
process
and
were
they
at
least
satisfied
with
the
process
took
place
or
I
mean
I
can
wait
a
little
to
hear
it
after
I
know
that
the
LRT
is
not
coming
to
Karp
anytime
soon,
I
understand
that,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
are
followed
that
process
here
and
and/or.
The
process
was
followed
because
I
did
when
I
met
with
stuff
I
didn't
ask
them.
A
E
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
Mike
for
for
all
your
work
on
all
the
projects
that
are
going
on.
It's
a
big,
complicated
project
and
it's
it's
about
getting
communications
and
information
out.
That's
really
important
residents
see
things
happening
and,
and
it's
it's
it's
important
that
they
have
it
in
a
timely
fashion.
One
of
the
issues
we
came
across
lately
was
a
tree
that
we
thought
was
going
to
say
for
one
more
year
we
got
less
than
24
hours
noticed
that
it
was
going
to
be
taken
down.
E
B
Yes,
sir
I
mean
that
mr.
mayor,
the
the
incident
with
the
the
tree
that
was
removed
was
was
unfortunate,
but
it
certainly
to
east-west
connectors
flagged.
You
know
a
big
concern
because
it
was
escalated
to
myself
and
to
the
city
manager
pretty
immediately
so
I
think
that
there
are
aware
of
that
issue
and
they
they
need
to
be
more
cognizant
of
where
they
make
commitments
regarding
when
they're
going
to
do
work
when
they're
not
going
to
do
work.
I
think
you
know
that
applies
to
both
teams.
B
I
just
had
a
the
team
on
the
Trillium
Line
give
a
commitment
that
they're
going
to
wait
on
some
tree
removals
between
beech
and
young
for
another
four
months,
and
so
you
know
they
need
to
be
held
to
account
to
those,
and
so
we've
certainly
escalated
that
issue
within
east-west
connectors.
They
know
they
need
to
do
a
better
job
of,
especially
on
the
logistical
side,
when
they're
mobilizing
into
a
site,
so
I
agree
with
you
and
having
to
work
with
your
office
to
make
sure
that
gets
done.
Thank.
E
You
and
one
of
the
things
we're
going
to
be
doing
coming
going
forward
is
having
working
groups.
I
found
that
worked
really
well
with
the
Clery
station
that
Jeff
had
got
started
earlier
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
way
to
deal
with
it,
not
just
having
boards
up,
but
having
in-depth
meetings
where
you
have
representatives
the
community
working
together
to
get
deeper
answers,
because
there's
just
so
much
information.
E
B
So
there's
there's
a
few
different
policies
generally,
when
we
describe
it,
it's
a
two
to
one
ratio
on
the
policy,
but
there
are,
there
can
be
different
different
factors
that
influence
a
specific
race
replacement
ratio
depending
if
it's
a
species
at
risk
or
a
larger
tree
or
on
MTO
versus
NCC
land.
There
are
different,
depending
on
the
area.
There
can
be
a
different
requirement,
but,
broadly
speaking,
we
talk
about
a
two
to
one
ratio.
E
Thank
you,
I
do
want
to
thank
you
for
the
work
on
courts,
Town
Road,
making
it
to
way
I'm
glad
you
mentioned
it
today,
because
that
certainly
was
a
concern
to
the
community
it
to
have
it.
One
way
was
was
very
problematic
for
a
community
that
doesn't
have
shopping
in
it.
So
event
that
was
a
major
route,
so
I
appreciate
it.
But
one
of
the
parts
of
it
is
the
fact
that
now
that
we
are
having
definitely
two-way
traffic
is
to
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
speed,
because
it
is
a
cut-through
Road.
E
It
is
a
road
that
parallels
the
Queensway
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
people
do
not
speed,
and
we
put
in
a
request
and
I
spoke
to
the
VG
about
this,
and
she
agreed
with
me
about
possibly
a
raised
intersection
at
Crystal
Beach
Road,
to
help
slow
down
the
traffic
and
I
wonder
if
you
can
comment
on
that.
I.
B
E
I'd
appreciate
that
that
cooperation
in
terms
of
Lincoln
field
station,
we
really
appreciate
the
opening
up
of
the
ponds
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
can
see
that
the
creek
is
totally
delighted.
I
know
this
is
something
the
NCC
was
pushing
for
and
it
is
their
property.
Is
it
possible
to
get
the
whole
Creek
delighted
I.
E
E
The
one
question
that
comes
up
a
lot
is
the
fact
that
we're
doing
a
whole
study
on
Lincoln
fields
and
the
secondary
plan,
but
the
the
problem
is,
is
that
the
connectivity
between
the
station
in
this
whole
area
this
whole
development
that
is
going
to
be
redone
is
very
poor.
It's
right
now
you
you're
supposed
to
go
along
carling
avenue,
and
I
can
tell
you
it's
very
dangerous.
It's
basically
the
similar
to
an
off-ramp
off
of
a
off
of
a
highway
when
you
cross
over
and
that's
about
it
and
the
connectivity
with.
E
B
Absolutely
we've:
you
know:
I've
made
a
commitment
at
this
session
to
go
through
all
the
areas
and
review
the
connectivity.
We
we
started
with
the
some
connectivity
sessions
in
the
east
that
we're
working
through
now,
the
next,
the
next
section
that
we're
focused
on
working
with
planning
and
transportation
planning
is
wanting
to
resolve
Walkley
Road,
and
then
we
would
turn
our
attention
to
to
the
West
connections.
After
that.
Thank.
E
You
because
I
think
it'd
be
a
real,
missed
opportunity
not
to
have
some
sort
of
better
connection,
I
think
it's
very
important
not
just
for
Lincoln
field
property,
but
for
those
that
live
west
and
north
of
the
transit
station.
Currently
it's
not
even
maintained
its
it's
very
poorly
maintained
in
the
winter,
so
it's
very
difficult
for
people
to
get
there.
E
Another
issue
is,
is
in,
cannot
look
at
the
Pine
Crest
station
and
are
you
combing
at
the
Pine,
Crest
or
sorry?
Pardon
me,
the
Queen's
View
station?
You
call
that
I
just
saw
you
talking
about
the
cannot
tunnel,
but
the
Queen's
View
station
right
now,
there's
no
designated
access
that
to
get
to
the
station
and
it's
certainly
up
in
the
air
and
and
it's
a
big
mystery
when
we
have
answers
on
on
that.
I'd.
B
E
F
Mara
Montiel
be
fairly
short.
I
do
want
to
pick
up
on
what
you
had
mentioned
about
the
the
oat
rings,
I
hear
to
every
time,
I'm
at
Carlton.
There's
there's
concern
with
some
of
the
administration,
but
also
people
aren't
as
aware
as
they
should
be
so
we're
putting
it
on
our
newsletter.
We
haven't
had
a
session,
yet
at
Carlton
I've
been
asking
to
get
a
date,
so
is
there
a
date
now
booked
for
Carlton
before
the
students
get
into
exam
time
and
they're
very
busy
I'd
like
to
have
that
happen?
F
B
No
I
don't
have
a
date
for
the
comm
session.
I
know
that
our
comms
team
has
been
working
with
Carlton
University
to
kind
of
help
inform
their
you
know
in
their
students
and
help
inform
you
know,
people
who
are
planning
where
they're
gonna
live.
You
know
next
year.
You
know
that's
kind
of
equally
as
an
important
decision,
but
happy
to
work
with
you
to
ensure
that
we're
aligned
on
the
communications
with
Carlton
University
and
make
sure
that
we're
getting
out
from
doing
a
session.
If
you
want
one
at
that
location,
yeah.
F
No
I've
been
speaking
with
any
good
child,
we're
just
kind
of
getting
to
a
point
where
we
need
to
get
a
date
soon,
because
people
are
gonna
be
in
exams
and
the
other.
The
other
piece
is
just
the
communication
in
general,
so
I
saw
this
is
an
item
coming
I
guess
in
mid-march
on
the
are
to
service
yeah
that'll
be
happening,
but
people
aren't
aware
of
how
long
we're
shutting
the
o
train
down
and
yeah
the
r2
service
is
a
big
one.
F
So
the
more
the
city
can
do
to
publish
this
to
get
this
information
out
the
better.
It's
mostly
students
that
use
that,
like
not
exclusively
but
a
lot.
The
biggest
user
of
that
line
is
students,
and
many
of
them
just
just
are
not
aware
so,
the
more
we
can
do.
You
have
some
ideas
on
what
we
can
do
to
communicate
this
in
the
next
little,
while
I
assume
that
March
19th
session
is
a
big
way,
any
other
ways
that
we
can
communicate.
This
yeah.
B
F
B
Mean
it's
it's
too
early
to
tell
if
it's,
if
it's
late
or
not,
you
know,
I
think
that
there's
some
indicators
for
me.
You
know
the
first
Stadler
vehicle
is
supposed
to
show
up
in
the
fall
of
2021,
so
I'm
gonna
be
watching
for
that
truck
delivery.
If,
if
we
don't
see
those
first
of
you
go
showing
up,
then
that
would
be
an
early
indicator
to
me
that
we
have
an
issue.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thanks,
Mary,
all.
A
Right,
Thank,
You,
Kelsey
right
line.
Please
I
think
mr.
mayor
just
a
quick
follow-up
question.
Mr.
Morgan
on
the
trains
you're
testing,
so
obviously
we,
the
trains
are,
in
theory
the
same
trains
we
have
now
which
were
not
satisfied
with
which
we've
asked
for
fixes
on.
So
how
does
that
work
when,
when
what's
the
drop-dead
data?
Guess
is
the
way
to
put
it
for
the
new
trains
to
have
all
the
modifications
that
we
would
like
to
see
in
there?
A
So
it's
not
the
same
as
the
original
product
we've
got,
but
it's
it's
better,
performs
more
efficiently
more
reliably
and
went
to
that
sort
of
thing.
So
when,
when
the
trains
that
are
being
tested
now,
when
did
they
become
hours
and
what's
the
drop-dead
date
to
have
modifications
of
basically
from
lessons
learned
from
the
first
version
of
the
Train.
B
So,
to
the
extent
that
there
are
modifications
available
today
we're
applying
those
modifications
to
those
vehicles,
as
new
modifications
come
online
well,
we
would
progressively
apply
those
modifications,
so
just
by
way
of
example,
so
the
inductors
have
been
failing.
They've
been
shorting
out
due
to
the
build-up
of
dirt
salt,
water
grime.
So
we
short
out
the
inductors
on
on
the
roof
of
the
vehicles,
and
so
there's
a
couple
of
minute.
For
that
one.
Is
they
built
a
new?
B
B
So
now
that's
not
the
final
mitigation
for
that
issue,
but
our
final
solution,
but
it
is
the
current
mitigation,
and
so
we
would
expect
that
any
current
mitigations
or
current
software
modifications,
Hardware
modifications
are
available
today
would
be
on
that
vehicle
understanding
that
you
know
we
expect
a
new
software
release
on
the
door
system
to
come
out
later
this
year.
As
that
becomes
available,
we
would
put
it
on
that
vehicle.
B
B
We
bargained
for
is
that
accurate
that
that's
accurate,
the
the
exception
being.
We
did
pay
extra
for
the
strap
hangers
right,
but
that's
still
a
bit
of
a
mystery
but
yeah,
but
otherwise
the
technical
modifications,
the
door
software,
the
inductor
changes,
the
you
know
we're
expecting
later
this
year,
some
brake
modifications
talking
about
all
those
things
are
included
in
the
price,
so
we're
paying.
Okay.
G
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
and
I
want
to
thank
your
group
us
in
the
Eastern
Bloc
we're
short
one
right
now,
but
we'll
get
one
back.
Eventually,
you
were
assuming
on
that
you've
been
very
great
with
us.
We've
met
with
you
a
couple
of
times
about
a
couple
of
different
things:
I
think
I've
been
at
a
couple
of
meetings.
One
was
with
a
cycling
group
actually
in
the
East
End,
and
we
attended
a
meeting
in
our
area
and
they
were
concerned
about
the
connectivity.
G
Now
we've
had
previews
of
some
of
the
samples
that
you
guys
have
put
together
that
I
think
they
would
really
enjoy
seeing
we've
taken
a
lot
into
consideration
with
pedestrian
and
cycling
connectivity,
especially
to
Montreal,
Road
station
I,
know,
Laura
and
I
are
very
passionate
about
that.
One.
At
what
point
are
we
going
to
be
able
to
I
already
know
the
answer,
but
if
you
can
say
it
in
the
public
record,
when
are
we
going
to
be
able
to
go
to
the
community
and
share
these
great
visions
and
get
feedback
I.
B
Think
that
you
know,
we've
been
tasked
with
a
deadline
of
the
first
week
of
April
there's
a
public
public
consultation
that
we've
been
asked
to
get
the
designs
advance
to
a
point
that
we
can
share
them
and
put
in
a
format.
That's
you
know
visually
understandable,
and
so
that's
what
we're
working
towards
that's.
G
B
G
We
have
them.
I
see
these
at
these
projectors.
Actually,
three
separate
projects
going
on
in
States
you
at
the
same
time
and
I
forget
who
is
talking
about
if
it's
on
time.
Where
are
we
going
to
have
some
kind
of
constant
barometer
or
thermometer
of
some
sort
for
all
three
projects
to
show
the
progress
on
all
the
projects?
So,
let's
face
it,
there'll
always
be
a
little
bump
in
the
road
on
some
of
them.
B
Yeah
absolutely
there's
different
kind
of
in
early
indicators
for
each
of
the
projects.
They
each
have
kind
of
different
challenges.
You
know
for
Confederation
East.
You
know
we
want
to
make
sure
the
additional
stage
two
vehicles
are
ready
to
go
and
you
know
and
and
that
we
get
through
Montreal
Road,
really
those
kind
of
early
indicators
wanting
to
see
more
Stage
two
vehicles
and
getting
Montreal
Road
station
well
under
construction
kind
of
the
first
two
and
then
there'll
be
subsequent
ones.
To
that
crate.
G
And
maybe
is
Steve
Willis
around
Steve.
If
I
can
bug
you
for
one
quick
second
I
did
want
to
kind
of
highlight
something:
councilor
lool
off
and
I
were
at
a
recent
conference
of
landlords
and
we're
adding
with
people
and
I
got
to
brag
about
the
fact.
The
decision
that
this
council
made
we
back
in
the
day,
I
I,
remember
very
clearly:
Peter
Hume,
bringing
up
transit,
oriented
development
and
what
kind
of
intensification
would
be
around
those
transit
nodes
and
I
brought
up
facts
at
condos.
G
Small,
very
small
condos
in
my
area
have
jumped
from
200,000
300,000
in
the
period
of
two
years,
we're
seeing
four
actually
520
two-story
towers
at
Blair
Station,
a
thirty
two
storey
tower
blair
station
Forcier
ville
apartments
coming
in
plus
a
hotel.
What
are
we
seeing
on
the
rest
of
the
spine
in
regards
to
transit,
oriented
development
so.
A
Deputy
mayor,
what
we
saw
the
lesson
we
saw
in
the
stage
one
as
the
construction
continued
and
actually
got
closer
to
completion.
We
saw
a
very
significant
uptick
in
interest
in
transit,
oriented
development,
so
I
asked
my
staff
recently,
for
it
was.
It
was
a
presentation
we
were
doing
to
put
give
me
a
quick
list
of
what's
in
the
Tod
areas,
and
I
can
say
that
at
unease,
lion,
Parliament,
Rideau,
Pema,
C,
Bayview,
Lee's
cell
or
Sayreville
and
Blair
station.
A
We
have
either
approved
redevelopment,
active
development
applications
or
very
seriously
advanced
applications
being
moved
on
and
we're
now,
just
at
the
cusp
of
stage
two
starting
to
see
some
development
interest
activity
and
we've
have
approved
applications
at
Cleary
West
burrow
station.
We
have
a
very
significant
file
coming
forward
at
Gladstone
station,
a
planning
committee
in
the
next
couple
of
months,
and
we
are
also
getting
pre
development
inquiries
in
the
highway
174
corridor.
G
Great
and
just
to
wrap
up
on
that
I
think
I
know:
counselor
Duda,
ass
and
myself
as
well
have
a
lot
of
concern
around
mantra,
railroad
station
and
some
future
opportunities
and
then,
of
course,
cancer
lulav
way
out
in
the
the
further
east,
the
Far
East
I'll
call
you
with
the
tons
of
development
going
on
out
there.
So
I
know
it's
successful
in
the
East
I
just
want
to
see
what's
happening
in
the
rest
of
the
system.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Thank
you,
too
man,
madam
chairman,.
A
Thanks
chair,
the
I've
got
to
two
things
that
I'm
interested
in
the
first
is
I.
Think
one
of
my
biggest
concerns
around
the
state
shoe
project
is
the
Ottawa
Hospital,
the
new
campus
and
a
connection
with,
with
our
whole
train
with
the
stage-two
line.
How
is
that
planning
going?
It's
it's
going
to
be
critical
with
the
the
many
thousands
of
staff
we're
going
to
be
working
there
that
it's
connected.
How
far
along
that
path
are
we.
A
Councilor
we've
been
meeting
with
the
Ottawa
Hospital
plan
planning
group
for
the
last
I
think
we
met
with
them
last
summer
and
they've
showed
us
their
high
level
concept
and
we're
doing
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
is
how
we're
going
to
push
people
to
the
Carling
station.
We've
give
them
suggestions
on
whether
or
not
they're
open
to
looking
at
connections
on
all
modes
to
the
bus
and
the
rail
station
that's
accessible
to
them.
It's
I
think
a
lot
of
us
consider
at
least
the
the
lay
folks
are
community
members.
A
We
consider
it's
critical
to
have
something
that
is
basically
weather
proof,
a
weatherproof
connection
from
the
Train
into
their
workplace
bingo.
We,
we
went
right
there
very
quickly.
We
had
a
high-level
planning
session,
we
kind
of
laid
out
some
parameters,
make
the
connection
really
convenient,
weather
proof
and
so
forth.
So
we
don't
have
any
details
on
that,
but
we're
totally
aligned
with
what
you're
talking
about
what
are
the
odds
that
it's
going
to
happen?
A
It's
too
early
in
the
process
deputy
mayor
that
the
Ottawa
Hospital
is
still
going
through
its
various
second
stage
of
approvals
with
the
province.
They
will
outline
the
programming
needs
they're
at
a
very
different
level
of
detail
than
say
a
development
application
they're
more
at
how
many
square
foot
are
needed
for
a
cardiac
units.
How
many
for
this
care
in
that,
but
they've
certainly
built
into
their
program
all
of
these
elements,
as
we've
asked
and
suggested.
A
Ultimately,
the
province
decides
what
the
program
they
will
altima
proved
through
the
next
stage,
but
the
city
has
been
consistent
in
asking
for
those
high-quality
connections.
Is
there
some
future
proofing
that
we
need
to
do
in
terms
of
how
we
build
stage
2
out
or
it's
mainly
on
there?
We
push
the
envelope
with
them
too
and
said:
don't
discount
autonomous
shuttles
to
get
you
to
those
spots
from
within
the
campus.
That
technology
is,
you
know
with
our
test
track
and
so
forth
is
evolving
very
quickly.
They
were
intrigued
by
that.
A
In
terms
of
staying
very
open
on,
how
do
you
move
people
around
that
campus
to
those
they've
got?
They
got
great
bus
service
and
they
got
great
rail
service.
So,
let's
leverage
it,
it
was
a
message
know
it's
gonna
be
critical
for
that
neighborhood.
As
you
know,
we
continue
to
deal
with
increasing
traffic
levels
and
we
are
hoping
staff
will
arrive
by
train
as
much
as
possible.
Thank
you.
A
B
You
know
so
we
there
is
a
quality
assurance
process.
There
is
a
non
conformance
reporting
process,
and
so
we
are,
you
know
we
are
starting
to
see
the
odd
one
can
in
we're
tracking
those.
You
know
we
haven't
I,
wouldn't
say
that
you
know:
we've
got
we've
gotten
to
this
place
where
there's
kind
of
any
critical
ones
that
have
us
concerned.
You
know
there
was
some
process
ones.
A
key
individual
was
swapped
out,
didn't
follow
the
process
late
and
they
did
that
on
one
of
the
projects.
Another
another
project,
you
know
installed
non-standard
traffic
barriers.
B
You
know
so
we're
starting
to
see
a
few.
You
know
so,
but
it's
still
I
think
that
terms
of
the
ramp
up
of
construction
over
this
summer.
You
know
you
see
the
number
of
people
going
from
say
two
to
five
hundred
people
today,
building
doing
works
on
the
ground
to
the
end
of
the
summer,
where
we
expect
to
have
over
1500.
B
A
A
Yeah,
my
encouragement
is
to
is
to
be
as
proactive
as
possible
with
with
that
kind
of
information,
I
think
the
in
stage
one
you
know.
Obviously
there
was
a
sinkhole
that
put
everything
back,
but
I
think
a
number
of
us
were
surprised
by
how
far
behind
schedule
we
were
as
a
result
of
the
deficiencies
when
I
trains
themselves.
So
as
we
see
these
non-conformance
etcetera,
please
be
as
proactive
as
possible,
because
I
know
our
friends
up
in
the
gallery
will
be
looking
at
closely
at
that
as
well.
All
right,
thank
you,
Jeff
right,
thank
you!
J
I
just
want
to
thank
you
and
your
team
for
your
advance
work
on
Jean
d'arc
that
you
highlighted
here
today.
It's
very
important
to
my
community
and
I
really
appreciate
the
work
that
you
guys
have
put
into
it,
and
the
fact
that
you
front-loaded
that
work.
It's
it's
an
incredible
show
of
faith,
and
we
really
appreciate
it.
J
We'd
like
to
see
what
that
design
looks
like,
and
hopefully
we
can
front-load
that
the
people
in
Orleans
wood
and
convent
Glen
and
the
villages
have
been
waiting
for
a
very
long
time
for
a
noise
barrier.
This
is
a
wonderful
opportunity
to
get
that
work
done
for
them,
so
I'm
hoping
that
you
might
be
able
to
take
that
away
today.
I
appreciate
that
I
also
really
appreciate
our
recent
conversations
regarding
connectivity
with
stations,
including
the
widening
of
pedestrian
walkways
close
to
the
stations
to
2.5
meters
and
beyond.
B
J
J
B
J
B
J
With
her
permission,
I
will
do
that
I've
had
some
trouble
with
this
issue
office.
So
when
it
comes
to
organizing
information
sessions,
it
took
a
considerable
amount
of
work
to
get
our
Fall
session
organized
and
we
weren't
able
to
announce
it
very
quickly
because
of
how
long
it
took
to
organize
not
giving
a
lot
of
leeway
for
us
to
make
that
announcement.
I've
been
terribly
impressed.
The
speed
at
which
our
spring
session
is
being
organized
can
I
tell
my
residents
today
that
on
April
6
we'll
have
a
session
in
early.
J
A
K
K
The
trillium
line
is
coming
into
riverside
south
and
by
august
of
2022,
which
is
really
quite
exciting
for
for
the
community,
but
there's
also
a
little
bit
of
angst,
given
the
problems
that
we've
had
with
stage
one
and
we're
contracted
that
with
one
of
the
same
companies
that
we've
had
some
problems
with
and
anecdotally.
We've
had
some
people
point
out.
Some
issues
that
we've
already
had
so
I'm
wondering
is:
is
there
any
possibility
at
all
that
we
have
more
oversight
built
into
the
contract
as
it
goes
out
to
long
Bank?
K
B
The
early
construction
that's
taking
place
so
trying
to
essentially
embed
a
construction
team
with
the
existing
construction
team
right
from
the
start
has
been
kind
of
one
of
the
things
that
we've
one
of
the
changes
that
we
made
having
them
co-located
in
the
field
at
the
site.
Trailer
is
another
change,
but
having
having
boots
on
the
ground
right
from
the
start
is
one
of
the
keys
I
think
that
potentially
the
difference
with
the
Trillium
Line
is
that
we're
starting
from
a
place
where
city
staff
have
an
in-depth
knowledge
of
how
that
system
operates.
B
We've
got
people
who
know
the
existing
Alstom
vehicles
inside
now.
They
know
that
they
know
each
of
those
individual
switches
on
the
existing
line
inside
note,
they've
been
responsible
for
the
how
they
were
configured
and
maintained
and
installed,
and
so
we've
got
a
level
of
deep
knowledge
on
the
maintenance
of
the
existing
system.
B
We
also
have
a
pool
of
45
highly
qualified
operators
who
know
how
to
operate
the
Alstom
Link
vehicles
and
so
out
of
the
gate,
the
second
that
we
have
track
to
run
trains
on
well,
we
already
have
qualified
staff
who
can
operate
existing
trains
on
on
on
that
track,
and
so
it
gives
us
kind
of
a
leg
up.
You
know
between
the
the
construction
staff
being
in
the
field
from
the
beginning.
B
Our
technical
background
on
the
Trillium
line
and
having
operators
who
can
get
out
there
with
trains
as
early
as
possible
means
that
we
can
do
start
testing
as
quickly
as
possible
and
get
get
a
head
start
on
on
issues
that
may
have
been
delayed
in
stage
one
because
we
didn't
get.
You
know
you
didn't
get
the
vehicles
weren't
ready
right
away.
The
track
wasn't
ready
right
away.
Now.
We've
got
operators
and
trains
standing
by
ready
to
run
a
new
track
and.
B
B
Absolutely
yeah,
you
know
we
get.
You
know
John
occasionally,
but
me
had
a
more
regular
basis.
We
get
real-time
updates
on
the
construction
work
in
the
field,
so
yeah
you
know.
Early
this
morning
we
got
got
an
update,
saying
that
they're
ready
to
start
caisson
drilling
at
Montreal
Road.
You
know
stuff
like
that
where
it's
just
it's
coming
in
we've
got
people
out
there
taking
photos
and
monitoring
and
being
present
absolutely
gives
us
better
information,
but.
B
K
B
K
I,
don't
want
to
have
to
go
through
any
of
the
retrofits
that
we've
had
to
have
on
the
Confederation
one.
So
far,
are
we
allowed
to
take
a
look
at
those
designs
because
I
know
we've
had
that
some
of
them
didn't
have
elevators.
There
was
just
ramps,
and
things
like
that.
Can
we
get
a
look
at
those
before
they're
actually
constructed
absolutely.
B
B
Like
that
I
can
we
can
reach
out
to
your
office
and
have
a
session
to
go
through
those
some
of
the
stuff,
like
some
of
the
the
conceptual
stuff,
the
changes
that
have
been
made,
for
example,
the
addition
of
stairs
and
elevators
that's
available.
Now,
that's
an
updated
renderings
and
updated
concept
drawings.
You
know
some
of
the
advance
details
like
the
the
electronics,
that's
going
on
the
platforms
or
the
layout
of
cameras,
we're
just
starting
to
see
that
now,
but
they're,
certainly
very
advanced
design
or
very,
very
dense
information.
A
A
K
B
Sew
some
yes
and
some,
no
so
I
think
if
you
look
at
like
a
Walkley
station,
a
Walkley
station
will
have
a
due
to
its
kind
of
the
change
in
elevation
at
that
location.
You'll
see
a
use
of
kind
of
a
more
modest
but
use
of
the
same
roof
line
that
you
saw
in
stage
one
and
on
the
structure.
That's
used
to
announce
the
presence
of
the
station
of
that
location.
I
think
line
Bank
will
be
similar
in
you
know.
B
Some
of
its
distinctive
features
you'll
see
a
little
bit
of
the
same
roof
lines
on
like
the
elevator
banks
and
some
of
the
covered
walkways
on
the
basel
and
Leitrim
station.
But
you
won't,
you
know,
so
you
won't
get
a
the
equivalent
of
a
herdmen
station
on
the
Trillian
line
today.
Something
like
Moonies
Bay
will
still
be
a
modest
platform
station
with
with
shelters.
Do.
K
B
B
We've
also
been
talking
about
replicating
any
of
the
the
covered
walkways
that
that
we've
seen
you
know,
we've
only
seen
the
temporary
covered
walkways
go
in
at
herdmen
and
and
tönnies,
and
the
there's
some
conceptual
ideas
that
are
out
there
for
Blair,
but
replicating
some
of
that
same
type
of
weather
protection,
basically
from
the
train
to
the
bus
at
the
key
locations.
Okay,
so
we're
still
working
through
that
I'd.
K
Love
to
take
a
look
at
them
at
some
point:
okay
before
it
thank
you
and
they
there's
still
people
who
are
expressing
really
like
shocked
and
concerned
that
we
don't
have
a
park-and-ride
at
Lime,
Bank
Station,
which
is
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
it's
the
terminus
of
where
the
train
is
going
to
come
in
to
this
new
Riverside
South,
Community,
Center
and
so
I'm
telling
people
whether
it
is
a
park-and-ride
at
River
View,
which
is
fairly
close
and
BOS
ville.
But
we're
trying
to
find
out
the
what's.
K
B
I
think,
with
the
you
know,
as
part
of
the
project
with
the
Leitrim
Park
and
Ride,
with
the
pose
new
BOS
ville,
Park,
&,
Ride
and
then
kind
of
the
adjacent
connectivity
to
to
any
others
or
across
the
across
the
river.
You
know
we,
you
know,
there's
a
discussion
to
be
had
on
the
bus
network
in
general
and
how
it
will
be
revised
to
reflect
the
connectivity
to
Lyme
Bank
station
and
so
to
have
that
conversation
or
might
need
to
bring
service
planning
into
the
mix.
But.
K
K
Okay,
one
last
question:
I
can't
go
have
to
talk
about
that
one
a
little
bit
further,
though
just
as
some
someone
who
has
been
driving
in
on
Nicholas
a
lot
are
we
going
to
be
taking
those
plywood
boards
down
between
the
Queensway
and
the
off-ramp
and
the
station,
because
a
lot
of
people
come
in
that
way?
It's
just
it's
a
lovely
lovely
thing
to
look
at
I
know
it's
protecting
the
tracks,
but
it's
not
coming
down
anytime
soon.
I.
B
Don't
have
a
timeline
for
when
those
come
down,
but
I
assume
that's
part
of
the
general
winter
we
deactivate
from
winter.
They
come
down.
It's
protecting
the
train
from
snow
being
snow
and
ice
being
thrown
out
on
the
roofs
of
the
trains
and
onto
the
tracks.
I
don't
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
the
date
for
when
those
come
down
so.
K
B
A
D
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
before
I
I
started
I
was
just
just
as
an
introduction
I'd
like
to
also
introduce
the
experts
that
are
at
this
table
in
addition
to
Remo
Butchie,
who
have
introduced
Jeff
Gilbert
Michael,
Morgan,
Isabel
Jasmine,
who
are
here,
of
course
John
is
still
here
and
will
MacDonald
our
chief
procurement
officer
and
Rick.
D
We
also
have
our
fairness,
commissioner,
he's
here
with
us
from
p3
advisors,
Jillian
Newsome,
who
would
be
in
the
far
the
far
end
and
Louise
penitent
of
p3
advisors
Jillian,
who
many
of
you
met
at
the
technical
briefings,
is
the
senior
vice
president
of
p3
advisors
and
has
worked
with
the
firm
since
2008
to
date,
she's
participated
in
over
120
fairness.
Mandates.
Louise
is
a
familiar
face
of
some
of
you
she's,
a
president
of
p3
advisors,
26
years
of
experience
in
procurement
in
20
years
of
experience.
D
That
happened,
the
questions,
so
that
everyone
is
on
the
same
level
playing
field
before
we
open
it
up
to
what
questions
on
my
first
slide.
I
don't
want
to
spend
due
time
and
too
much
time
on
this
Michael
just
went
through
it,
but
that
council
I
just
want
to
talk
about
what
council
approved
last
March
for
a
project
that
was
defined
by
council
in
2017.
D
Actually,
the
procurement
process
was
developed
to
address
the
fact
that
the
winning
proponent
was
having
having
to
design
build
finance,
maintain
the
system
that
Council
of
Valarie
approved
with
the
key
elements
that
they
wanted
for
the
public.
So
the
type
of
train
had
already
been
determined
the
location
the
maintenance
facility
had
already
been
determined.
D
The
new
airport
Lincoln
extension
to
Lyme
Bank
and
all
the
other
system,
upgrades
and
enhancements
were
built
into
the
RFP
process,
and
these
elements
are
referred
to,
and
this
was
discussed
at
some
of
the
meetings
by
procurement
experts
as
output
specifications
and
it's
a
term
you're
going
to
be
hearing
more
about
during
the
discussions
today
when
we
get
to
questions.
It's
also
important
to
remember
that
using
a
p3
model
was
a
condition
of
the
federal
provincial
funding.
We
receive
four
for
stage
two.
D
Last
Monday
we
released
twenty
one
hundred
and
twenty
two
pages
of
documents
that
show
from
start
to
finish
how
the
Trillium
land
procurement
was
conducted
and
why
the
integrity
of
the
process
was
confirmed
by
both
the
city's
independent
fairness.
Commissioners,
who
are
here
today
and
by
counsels,
independent
Auditor,
General
and
I,
want
to
thank
every
member
of
Council
media
and
the
public.
It
took
time
to
read
through
these
documents,
because
I
think,
once
you
see
the
process
for
yourselves,
you
can
see
the
time
care
and
due
diligence
that
was
taken
at
every
step.
D
You
know
in
hindsight
and
I
think
this
is
the
opportunity
to
say
this
to
council.
We,
we
should
have
proactively
released
these
documents
as
soon
as
the
selective
slices
were
made
public
through
the
media.
It's
critical
that
not
only
those
of
us
who
were
involved
know
the
process
was
fair
and
conducted
in
accordance
with
best
practices,
but
that
council
and
the
public
can
also
see
it
for
themselves
and
I'm,
hoping
that
today
we
move
closer
to
that
to
that
outcome.
D
However,
releasing
actual
procurement
documents
had
never
been
done
before
that
we
could
find
here
and
I
want
to
thank
Council
for
making
that
happen.
I
want
to
note,
want
counsel,
to
know
that
going
forward
we're
going
to
be
looking
for
guidance
on
how
and
when
to
best,
communicate
with
council
and
the
public
during
major
commercially
confidential
procurements,
keeping
the
Bellamy
inquiry
cautions
in
mind
and
other
other
constraints
that
we
believe
we
had.
D
We
hope
to
begin
that
discussion
with
Council
when
we
receive
the
results
of
the
lesson
learned
report,
which
I
think
is
a
is
a
great
idea
for
us
to
be
able
to
build
forward
as
we
look
at
future
large
procurements.
Finally,
I
want
to
thank
all
those
member
of
councils
in
the
media
who
took
the
time
to
attend
the
technical
briefings
and
the
people
who
are
here
today
to
answer
your
questions.
Those
briefings
as
I
said,
gave
us
a
good
sense
of
what
areas
we
need
to
be
clear
in
our
communications
and
I.
D
Think
that's
another
area
where,
as
you
saw
from
our
last
in
camera
briefing,
these
are
complex
projects
and
it's
hard
to
distill
them
into
clear
communication.
Narrative
and
tracks.
First
was
the
issue
of
who
developed
the
RFP,
and
the
answer
is
a
lot
of
experts
working
together.
What
wasn't
clear
was
the
fact
that
most
of
the
RFP
was
templated.
Only
people
know
that
the
RFP
was
templated
and
was
based
on
precedents
and
the
experts
in
each
particular
section
of
the
eight
RFP
tailored
the
document
to
meet
the
city's
requirements.
D
Obviously,
the
technical
evaluations
were
focused
on
many
questions
and
I've
tried
to
summarize
the
answers
to
the
most
common
questions
here,
namely
the
scoring
grid
was
a
template
based
on
industry
precedents.
It
was
developed
by
technical
experts
and
it
wasn't
developed
by
our
lawyers.
The
technical
evaluations
were
qualitative
and
because
of
this
there
was
training
provided
to
the
evaluators
to
try
and
standardize.
What
does
the
70%
look
like
training?
The
evaluators
is
an
area
the
AG
made
recommendations
for
improvement
for
next
time.
D
The
bid
evaluation
steering
committee
did
not
ask
the
evaluators
to
rescore
the
results.
I
cannot
state
this
more
clearly.
The
bes
C
asked
evaluation
teams
due
diligence
questions
about
how
the
first
technical
evaluation
scores
related
directly
to
the
output
specifications
in
the
RFP.
That
kind
of
due
diligence
is
their
job.
It's
one
of
their
main
roles
of
that
committee.
In
fact,
both
the
decision
and
rescore
all
the
technical
submissions
from
all
of
the
teams
and
the
decisions
on
the
scores
were
made
solely
by
the
technical,
evaluators.
D
The
steering
committee
made
the
decision
to
move
the
bidder
with
the
lowest
score
to
the
financial
evaluation
stage
without
knowing
who
the
bidder
was
or
anything
about
their
financial
submission.
I
cannot
state
that
strongly
enough.
We
made
the
decision
because
it
made
sense
because
it
was
reasonable.
The
RFP
have
allowed
for
it.
The
score
was
in
3
percent
of
the
threshold,
and
none
of
the
issues
that
were
identified
in
the
technical
submission
were
so
severe
that
they
couldn't
and
wouldn't
be
addressed
in
the
contract
negotiations.
D
D
A
failure
to
achieve
in
applicable
minute
minimal
score
did
not
constitute
a
material
deviation,
but
simply
meant
that
the
proposal
was
a
poor
quality
which
I'm
on
record
of
stating
recently,
unless
the
failed
score
was
so
fundamental
that
it
fits
one
of
the
categories
for
material
deviation,
and
we
have
already
established
that
none
of
them
met
that
threshold.
We
made
the
decision
to
protect
the
city's
interests.
D
We
knew
that
the
end
result
of
negotiating
with
any
of
the
teams
as
a
preferred
proponent,
would
mean
ensuring
that
those
parts
of
the
technical
bids
that
didn't
meet
the
city's
output
specifications
would
in
fact
meet
the
city's
requirements
in
the
project
agreement
or
they
or
they
wouldn't
be
the
preferred
proponent.
At
the
end
of
the
process,
the
fairness
Commission
confirmed
that
this
was
acceptable
within
the
process.
D
I
also
want
to
confirm
that
there
was
no
outside
informal,
hallway
or
off-the-record
conversations
between
members
of
the
B
ESC
and
the
executive
steering
committee
on
this
or
any
part
of
this
procurement.
Ever
all
of
our
interactions
in
the
procurement
process
were
on
record
and
overseen
by
the
fairness,
commissioner.
So
we
decided
to
move
all
three
bids
to
the
next
phase,
with
their
scores
unchanged
and
without
knowing
which
team
had
which
score.
D
So
now,
with
respect
to
the
financial
submissions,
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
this
part
of
the
presentation,
deputy
city,
treasurer
Isabel
jasmine,
who
will
clarify
the
major
questions,
the
financial
evaluation
phase
and
how
the
fact
that
one
bid
was
only
that
the
fact
that
one
bid
was
only
six
percent
higher
doesn't
actually
mean
that
it
was
affordable
to
the
city.
Isabel.
D
E
You
so
the
financial
evaluations
are
conducted
separately
from
the
technical
evaluations
to
affordability.
Caps
were
set
one
for
the
construction
period,
which
was
set
at
six
hundred
and
sixty
three
million
and
one
for
the
contract
in
total,
including
the
maintenance
period
which
was
set
at
1.7
billion.
The
affordability
caps
were
based
on
the
capped,
two-thirds
funding
from
the
federal
and
provincial
governments.
Any
amounts
above
that
cap
would
have
to
be
funded
by
the
city.
Only
transit
next
bid
was
below
both
affordability
caps.
E
All
bidders
were
required
to
include
the
same
price
for
the
Stadler
trains,
and
all
bidders
were
required
to
invest
equity
of
thirty-five
million
minimum,
which
would
be
paid
back
by
the
city
over
the
term
of
the
contract.
Transit
neck's
invested
an
additional
hundred
million
in
deferred
capital,
which
brought
their
construction
period
price
below
the
cap
without
compromising
the
overall
capital
cost
for
the
Trillium
extension
and
maintaining
the
total
contract
price,
including
maintenance
below
the
total
cap
per
the
RFP.
If
only
one
bidder
is
affordable,
all
bidders
continue
on
to
the
financial
evaluation
scoring
stage.
E
The
financial
score
is
based
on
a
total
of
five
hundred
points.
Four
hundred
fifty
for
the
submission
price
and
fifty
points
for
the
quality
of
the
financial
financing
plan,
total
price
is
calculated
as
the
net
present
value
of
all
construction
period.
Payments,
vehicle
cost,
substantial
completion,
payment,
maintenance
terms,
service
payments,
maintenance,
term
capital
payments
and
life
cycle
payments,
the
maximum
score
of
four
hundred
and
fifty
points
is
assigned
to
the
lowest
price.
Thirty
points
are
then
deducted
from
the
maximum
score
for
every
percentage
point,
a
proponents
price
exceeds
the
lowest
price
bid.
E
It
was
this
1
billion
in
city
funding
that
was
built
into
the
long
range
financial
plan
and
affordability
model
for
the
transit
for
the
next
30
years.
The
affordability
model
then
tests
to
ensure
that
we
have
a
sufficient
projected
revenues.
The
projected
revenue
available
for
capital,
S
capital
requirements
for
the
next
30
years
determines
the
debt
required
and
the
model
ensures
that
debt
servicing
doesn't
exceed
our
annual
net
revenue
available.
E
This
amount
fails
if
the
if
this
amount
falls
below
zero
in
any
year
or
in
other
words,
if
we
are
an
issuing
debt
to
pay
for
debt
which
is
not
allowed,
then
it
is
unaffordable.
That
is
why
the
affordability
caps
are
so
important.
They
have
an
important.
They
have
an
impact
during
the
construction
period
and
over
the
30
years
if
either
is
exceeded,
the
city
must
fund
the
difference
and
this
impacts
the
feasibility
of
the
capital
plan
going
forward.
D
Thank
You
Isabel,
the
last
part
of
procurement
process
is
a
negotiation
phase
of
the
first
proponent,
which
ended
up
being
transit.
Next,
this
part
involved
ensuring
that
the
technical
nonconformist
issues
identified.
The
technical
evaluation
phase
were
addressed
to
the
city,
satisfaction
and
committed
to
you
by
way
the
project
agreement,
because.
H
H
D
You
deputy
mayor,
the
last
part
of
the
procurement
process
of
the
negotiation
phase
with
transit
next,
this
part
involved
ensuring
that
the
tactical
nonconformist
issues
identified
in
the
technical
evaluation
phase
were
addressed
to
the
city.
Satisfaction
a
committed
to
by
way
the
project
agreement
before
T
next
was
recommended.
The
City
Council's
preferred
proponent
because
of
all
of
the
technical
bits
of
issue
that
had
issues
of
non
conformance
and
I.
This
is
an
important
point.
All
of
the
all
of
the
technical
bid
submission
had
issues
of
nonconformist.
D
This
exercise
would
have
been
undertaken
with
which
ever
team
and
placed
as
a
preferred
proponent,
if
Phoenix
had
not
committed
to
the
city's
satisfaction
to
deliver
the
quality
system,
counsel
required
within
its
bid
price.
The
city
would
have
moved
on
to
the
second
place
bid,
but
they
did
meet
the
requirements
and
our
city
and
our
project
agreement
requirements
never
changed.
D
They
committed
to
meeting
them,
so
they
became
the
recommended
proponent
to
counsel
and
closing
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
the
final
bullets
on
these
slides,
because
these
are
the
last
of
the
of
the
of
the
issues
that
arose
that
required
clarification.
The
technical
performance
review
established
at
the
technical
submission
by
all
three
performance
paths-
the
goal,
no
goal
conformance
test
for
consideration
that
was
expressly
set
out
in
the
procurement
documents.
D
Any
poor
quality
response
to
the
technical
submission
requirements
for
the
proponents
and
the
technical
evaluation
phase
does
not
reduce
any
of
the
proponents
obligations
to
meet
project
design,
construction,
maintenance
operations
and
financing
in
the
project
agreement
should
they
be
selected
as
the
preferred
performance.
All
three
proponents
had
issues
that
would
have
needed
to
be
expressly
addressed
as
part
of
the
negotiations
phase.
The
discretion
exercised
by
the
executive
steering
committee
with
respect
to
the
technical
evaluation,
as
recommended
by
the
B
ESC,
was
blind.
D
No
member
of
the
committee
knew
which
firm
had
which
score
and
the
discretion
was
exercised
without
any
knowledge
of
the
financial
submission
which
the
fairness
Commission
confirmed
as
an
acceptable
practice.
From
a
fairness
perspective,
contract
negotiations
addressed
all
of
the
deficiencies
in
transit.
Next
are
submission
before
they
were
recommended
as
a
preferred
proponent,
the
City
Council
in
the
report
that
was
considered
on
March
6
2019,
the
executed
project
agreements
required
transit
next
to
meet
councils
criteria.
D
For
the
project,
design,
construction,
maintenance
operations
and
financing
for
stage
2
alert,
II
Trillium
Extension
construction,
including
early
works
of
preliminary
preparations,
began
in
early
2019,
as
Michael
just
walked
through
we're.
Well
on
our
way,
the
project
is
well
within
its
scope
when
completed
in
August
of
2022,
which
isn't
that
far
away
this
project
will
provide
new
light
rail
connections
for
communities
in
Riverside
south,
while
bringing
in
rail
closer
to
manitech,
Finley,
Creek,
really
Osgood
and
provide
connections
to
bus
service
in
bar
Haven
via
the
Vimy
memorial
bridge.
D
Before
we
get
to
questions
I
like
to
ask
from
our
advanced
Commission
advisors
to
do
a
brief
presentation
on
their
role
and
answer,
some
of
the
questions
that
require
clarification,
I
think
we're
illustrative
for
members
of
the
four
members
of
the
media
and
council,
so
Louise
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
Thank.
L
You,
as
mentioned
by
the
city
manager,
my
name
is
Louise
panettone
I'm,
the
owner
and
president
of
p3
advisors,
a
proud
ottawa-based
woman
owned
business.
So
thank
you.
So
what
I
thought
I'd
start
by
doing
is
really
telling
you
a
little
bit
what
a
fairness
Commissioner
does
and
what
type
of
qualifications
we
have
to
undertake
the
work
that
we
perform
similar
to
many
other
types
of
advisors.
L
None
of
the
procurements
that
we've
been
involved
in
have
been
successfully
challenged.
So
we
have
a
good
reputation
of
observing
these
types
of
processes.
In
the
last
five
years,
we've
been
involved
in
procurements
of
approximately
twenty
three
and
a
half
billion
dollars
and
fairness
mandates
in
excess
of
thirty
two
billion
dollars.
Just
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
the
scope
of
what
we're
involved
in
both
Jill
and
Newsome
and
myself
are
also
repeated
faculty
members
at
York,
University's
odds
good
certificate
in
training,
both
in
fairness
and
procurement.
L
L
We
act
as
facilitator
in
the
case
of
where,
where
there
are
some
fairness,
issues
that
arise
and
any
potential
issues
through
the
process
and
at
the
end
we
prepare
a
written
report
that
we
deliver
to
the
city
on
on
the
process
on
the
next
slide.
We'll
see
that
as
it
relates
to
the
evaluation
process,
which
is
an
important
part
of
any
project,
we
review
all
the
documentation,
including
the
framework,
the
evaluation
frameworks.
We
observe
the
meetings
and
you
know,
as
the
city
manager
mentioned,
we
participated
in
the
evaluation
steering
committee
meetings.
L
We
advise
the
bid
evaluation
steering
committee
on
on
the
adherence
to
the
process
by
the
evaluation
participants
and
we
participate
in
the
review
of
the
potential
conflicts
of
interests.
At
the
end
of
the
evaluation
process,
we
provided
an
attestation
confirming
that
the
process
had
been
managed
in
a
fair
manner.
L
The
the
process
that
the
city
adopted
had
strict
governance
applied
to
it.
One
of
the
committees
or
teams
that
was
set
up
as
part
of
the
process
was
the
conflict
review
team.
So
what
their
role
is
through
the
process?
It
was
to
assess
the
relationships
both
with
the
participants
and
the
proponents,
so
looking
at
it
from
both
angles
to
identify
whether
there
was
potential
conflict
of
interest.
L
If
there
were
matters
that
were
disclosed,
then
the
the
conflict
reviewed
committee
would
make
a
recommendation
and
we
would
a
pine
or
weigh
in
on
whether
it
was
fair
again.
This
conflict
review
team
provided
a
report
and
as
part
of
the
overall
process
confirming
that,
but
the
process
from
a
conflict
review
perspective
was
was
reasonable.
So
the
fairness,
commissioner,
is
not
a
member
of
conflict
review
team,
and
this
is
generally
the
case
in
t
threes.
So
this
is
not
abnormal.
L
It's
what
we
typically
see
through
these
processes,
so
continuing
on
as
part
of
our
role
in
the
in
the
process,
we
do
participate
in
the
review
of
conflict
of
interest.
So
all
of
the
participants,
the
evaluation
participant
sign,
a
conflict
of
interest
form
and
those
that
disclose
relationships
are
then
escalated
to
the
fairness
Commissioner.
For
us
to
look
at
them
from
a
fairness
perspective,
there
were
a
few
questions
related
to
Norton
Rose.
L
L
L
L
H
G
C
You
thank
you,
madam
vice
chair
and
my
polish,
to
the
furnace
Commission,
because
I
already
know
was
going
to
be
a
presentation
but
I'm
glad
I
waited
and
hear
your
full
presentation.
Yeah
I
did,
as
I
indicated
earlier,
I
did
had
the
opportunity
meet
with
staff
and
legal
and
I
met
with
the
furnace
Commissioner
as
well.
Can
it
a
little
bit
more
about
the
independent
of
of
the
furnace
commission
when,
when
he
or
she
in
general,
attend
those
meetings.
L
So
a
couple
of
elements
that
are
very
important
as
it
relates
to
both
our
firm
and
our
approach,
so
p3
advisors
has
made
a
very
conscious
decision
not
to
work
with
any
of
the
bib
teams
on
any
mandate.
So
we
don't
have
any
relationships
as
it
relates
to
any
of
the
bid
teams
or
any
of
their
their
subs.
So
we
are
impartial
to
any
of
the
proponent
teams.
C
My
other
question
to
you
and
I
so
I'm,
trying
to
wrap
my
mind
about
the
delegated
authority
council,
give
to
staff
to
basically
through
the
whole
process
and
I'm,
not
sure
who's
going
to
answer,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
half
staff.
They
stayed
with
the
framework
of
the
the
delegate
authority.
Council
asked
two
for
staff
to
to
work
with.
Have
you
reviewed
that
portion
of
it
so.
L
I
can
speak
to
the
the
governance
of
your
project
and
the
overall
implementation
and
in
terms
of
the
delegation
of
authority,
would
refer
it
back
to
the
city
in
terms
of
how
that
that
progressed.
So
the
the
process
and
the
various
committees
that
were
set
up
again,
we're
very
similar
to
processes
set
up
in
other
Petrie's
or
large
projects
of
this
nature.
So
having
independent
and
essentially
having
subcommittees
of
evaluators
that
were
empowered
to
score
and
and
in
fact,
instructed
and
trained
on
scoring
against
a
pre-established,
approved
evaluation
framework
is
leading
practice.
L
Having
an
evaluation
committee
such
as
you
did
through
the
bid
evaluation.
Steering
committee
is
also
leading
practice
where
essentially,
each
each
one
of
the
evaluation
teams
reports
back
in
and
the
B
ESC
then
acts
in
terms
of
applying
due
diligence
in
again
in
relation
to
the
RFP
and
the
evaluation
committees.
C
D
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir
kind
of
like
I
said
what
I,
because
I
asked
a
question
when
I
met
with
with
the
team
is
about.
If
the
furnace
Commission
itself
check
on
a
governing
part
have
to
have
we
followed
that
process,
how
we
have
followed
the
best
practice
we
give
you
the
delegate
authority,
have
you
step
out
of
that
delegated
authority,
so
we
heard
twice
now,
one
from
the
adult
general
and
one
from
the
furnace
commission
process
was
follow
through
the
only
problem.
I
would
I
have
to
make
my
comment.
C
Madam
novice
chair
is
the
communication.
The
availability,
for
you
know
we
met
with
with
the
team
with
the
senior
team
that
the
procurement
officer
that
their
furnace
commission
and
the
legal,
but
after
the
fair
I,
would
love
to
have
that.
You
know
during
that
you
know
I'm,
not
sure.
How
much
can
you
relieve,
but
I
mean
to
be
able
to
see
some
of
the
document
and
understand
that
process.
It
would
have
been
very
helpful
to
be
able
to
answer
some
of
the
communities
can,
sir,
especially
when
it
comes
to.
C
You
know
how
you
develop
that
criteria.
How
did
you
arrange
it
and
I
read
some
of
the
number
and
I
know
some
of
them
hidden
before
a
good
reason,
but
I
mean
process
has
been
follow
a
system
and
say
why
didn't?
Why
didn't
we
show
it
before
and
and
make
make
sure
that
the
media
and
the
community
and
all
of
us
included
understand
that
full
process
well.
D
I
think
that
you
know
with
with
hindsight
you
know
we're
looking
back
at
how
this
whole
thing
whole
thing
evolved.
We
were
in
March
of
2019
before
council
approving
the
recommendation
from
staff
who
exercised
a
delegated
authority.
The
council
provided
to
several
years
ago
in
terms
of
the
process
which
the
author
general
and
the
fairness
commissioner,
said
they
followed
it.
Then
you
know,
as
more
information
was
coming
out
from
a
media
perspective,
we
ended
up
with
the
Auditor
General
being
retained
for
to
look
at
the
audit.
D
Then
we
went
into
a
silent
period
while
the
audits
staff.
We
don't
comment
when
an
audits
as
part
of
the
protocol,
the
out
of
general.
We
don't
comment
when
an
audits
underway
because
he
was
reviewing
and
interviewing
all
the
staff
and
seeking
all
the
documentation,
and
then
he
comes
it
back
in
I
think
it
was
November
of
2019
or
there
abouts
I,
don't
remember
the
date
where
he
basically
said.
D
Process
was
followed
and
was
fair,
transparent
and
they
were,
but
there
were
a
number
of
recommendations
fair
enough,
but
that's
what
I
think
the
lessons
learned
report
that
we're
going
to
and
you're
going
to
talk
about
today.
The
scope
document
is
for
its
to
go
and
look
and
say,
despite
what
we
did,
despite
the
fact
that
yeah
it
followed
the
rules
of
the
time.
D
Is
that
the
best
way
to
do
it
in
a
public
procurement,
with
counsel
with
the
public
and
everyone
else,
and
still
retain
some
kind
of
discipline
and
protection
to
City
Council
in
the
city
in
terms
of
a
live
procurement
process?
I
want
to
know
the
answer
to
that
too.
It's
not
every
day
that
city
staff
are
doing
multi-billion
dollar
procurements.
That's
that's
a
fact,
and
so,
and
it's
outside
of
our
normal
procurement
bylaw
was
a
separate
process
that
was
set
up
as
directed
by
Council
as
part
of
the
initial
combinations.
D
The
report
and
I
welcome
the
lessons
learned
report
to
say:
okay,
if
we
could
do
better,
let's
do
better.
Let's
then
change
their
processes.
Let's
have
checkpoints
to
communicate
with
council.
Let's
have
a
different
communication
protocol
and
still
be
able
to
respect
the
the
the
ultimately
any
challenges
or
protect
ourselves
from
any
challenges
from
potential
bidders
or
any
other
things
that
can
come
up.
D
C
L
I've
been
working
with
the
cities
since
2003
on
various
fairness
mandates
and
so
for
this
specific
procurement.
We
we
were
selected
in
April
of
2017
for
the
RFP
process
and
the
RFQ
process,
but
we
were
involved
in
other
public/private
partnerships
with
with
the
city
going
back
to
the
Shankman
Center,
so
yeah,
okay,.
H
M
I
appreciate
that
I'd
met
with
staff
and
my
questions
were
were
answered
yet
it
since
I've
began
to
read
some
of
the
the
information
I
got
caught
up
on
the
initial
point,
which
is
can
I
understand?
Why
did
we
set
out
70
percent
I
come
from
the
sport
world
if
you're
anywhere,
you
have
a
goal
to
achieve
you
achieve
that
goal
or
you
don't
so
I
want
to
understand
how
the
70
percent
was
established
and
what
is
the
purpose
of
having
a
percentage
point.
I
Mm-Hmm,
madam
chair
I'll,
start
70%
is
a
benchmark.
That's
been
selected
by
infrastructure
Ontario
in
connection
with
its
LRT
projects,
both
the
ones
where
it's
been
sponsored,
as
well
as
where
it's
been
advisor.
It's
considered
a
best
practice
point
in
those
projects
and
so
I
think
that
the
city
team,
looking
at
that
issue,
felt
it
was
the
right
starting
point.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
has
any
further
guidance
to
provide
on
that
point,
but
that's
the
starting
point.
N
The
minimum
requirement
could
be
50
that
commute
the
70
could
be
a
50.
It
could
be
an
80,
it's
just
it's
basically
just
the
baseline
that
you're
starting
from
and
the
objective
when
you're
doing
a
qualitative
evaluation,
as
you
are
in
a
technical
basis.
What
you
try
to
train
the
evaluators
do
is
say
the
70
gets
you
what
you
want,
what
the
open
specification
says
and
then
from
the
70
up
to
the
up
to
100
everything's
out
of
ten.
N
So
from
up
above
the
seven
to
the
ten
ten
is
like
they've
more
than
exceeded
it
right
now,
could
the
70
be
a
60?
Could
the
60
be
of
50?
Yes,
and
then
you
would
just
say.
Well
then,
in
the
case
of
it
vina
50,
the
50
is
the
baseline,
so
the
70
itself
doesn't
have
any
significance
from
a
technical
perspective.
I've
never
seen
a
study
done
by
an
engineering
firm
that
says.
70
points
tells
you
it's
it's
it's
technically
compliant,
it's
just
basically
a
in
industry
standards,
as
mr.
N
Gilbert
has
said,
that
infrastructure
Ontario
is
used
as
the
baseline
and
I
think
it
also
gives
the
connotation.
When
you
see
technical
scores.
You
know,
70
is
a
B
minus
B,
plus
right,
if
you,
if
you
set
it
at
50,
it
just
doesn't
have
the
same
visual,
it
doesn't
have
the
same
impact.
Is
it
what
if
you
de
set
it
at
70?
So
there's
it
is
a
very
it.
Frankly,
it's
somewhat
arbitrary.
M
Right
but
we
still
set
that
threshold,
so
I
want
to
understand
further,
so
the
group
meets
with
the
proponents.
Does
their
evaluation
identify
strengths
and
weaknesses
and
and
those
charts
are
very
helpful
and
then
fail?
One
of
the
proponents,
or
one
of
the
proponents
doesn't
meet
the
70%.
So
then
they
submit
the
report
in
two
I'll
call
it
the
professional
group
of
folks
I'm.
Sorry,
the
name
escapes
me.
The
evaluation
steering
committee
is
that
possibly
the.
M
M
But
to
me
that
is
a
position
of
conflict.
If
I'm,
if
I'm
a
university
professor,
it
put
it
put
yourself
like
this
you're
you're,
judging
diving,
you
judge
all
the
competitors
and
then
at
the
end
of
it
you
know
the
results.
The
final
results
of
each
group,
although
I
recognize
you,
you
have
to
view
them
separately
and
I
know
who
failed
and
I'm
asking
that
I'm
asking
you
as
an
overall
to
review
your
entire
process.
I,
don't
understand
how
that
is,
not
a
bias.
I
No
bias
the
framework
the
process
is
set
up
for
the
bid
evaluation
committee
to
undertake
that
diligence
of
those
scores.
So
if
I
can
provide
your
diving
example,
if
the
requirement
to
the
competition
was
that
someone
do
a
triple
flip
and
when
you
got
the
score
back,
the
person
did
a
triple
flip,
but
they
did
a
quadruple
flip
and
then
the
bid
evaluation
steering
committee
would
say.
Well
wait
a
min.
Wasn't
the
requirement
about
a
triple
flip.
How
did
this
quadruple
flip
in
influence?
Your
score?
I
That's
the
kind
of
questioning
that
we
as
a
bit
evaluation
steering
community
are
supposed
to
do
we're
supposed
to
make
sure
that
the
evaluators
scoring
is
based
on
RFP
requirements,
and
so
we
question
them
on
that
and
we
said
to
them
make
sure
you
answer
these
questions
for
all
the
proponents.
All
the
proponents
have
these
kinds
of
questions
and
if
you
believe
it
is
necessary,
you,
the
technical
evaluators,
because
we're
not
the
technical
evaluators,
then
go
ahead
and
rescore
and
that's
what
they
did
and
they
report
it
back
to
us.
So.
M
I
So
it's
Authority
is
derived
from
the
framework.
Again
everybody
is
trained
on
the
framework.
Everybody
is
trained
on
how
the
process
will
be
set
up,
as
p3
advisors
have
said
bit.
Evaluations
during
committee
is
a
is
a
best
practice
in
a
procurement
to
have
a
diligence
check
to
make
sure
that,
in
fact,
the
technical
evaluators
are
matching
bid
requirements
together
with
scores,
so
it's
not
hidden
to
anybody.
This
is
exactly
how
the
evaluation
framework
was
set
up.
Okay,
I
could.
N
But
if
I
may
sir
I
just
had
one
more
point-
oh
sorry,
counselor
is,
we
would
actually
been
negligent.
Our
duties
as
bit
evaluate
and
being
an
a
member
as
I
was
a
member
and
bid
evaluation
steering
committee.
If
we
didn't
read
the
results
and
if
we
didn't
ask
the
questions
we
did,
we
would
have
been
negligent
of
our
responsibility
that
we
were
doing
the
job
that
we
had
been
asked
to
do
in
the
evaluation
framework.
But.
M
The
bid
evaluation
steering
committee
yeah
I
mean
to
me
it's
it's
odd,
because
when
I,
when
we
met
the
other
day,
you
said,
we've
never
asked
a
couple
of
you
up
front.
How
often
does
the
proponent
not
meet
the
minimum
threshold?
All
of
you
said
all
I've
never
seen
that
it's
the
first
time,
I
see
that
there's
something
unique
in
this
case.
I,
don't
know
what
your
net
that
I
want.
I
To
distinguish
that
counselor
from
someone
not
meaning
a
threshold
to
us
having
a
diligence
session
where
technical
evaluators
base
their
evaluation
and
diligence
requirements
in
a
manner
that's
defensible
quite
often
was
sitting
on
bit
evaluation
steering
committees.
We
have
to
ask
evaluators
questions
about
how
it
is
they're
coming
to
their
results.
In
fact,
as
mr.
Boucher
said,
it's
it's
part
of
the
job
of
who
bid
evaluations
during
committee,
so
sending
evaluators
questions
back
and
having
them
understand
how
they've
routed
their
evaluation
is
an
essential
part
of
the
process.
N
Just
every
eight
or
a
couple
points
you're
only
dealing
with
the
lead
of
the
technical
evaluation
committee,
so
you
never
actually
interact
with
the
evaluators
individual
evaluators
themselves
and
at
no
time
it's
very
carefully
structured.
We
do
not
give
instructions
to
score.
It's
not
our
job.
You
won't
see,
in
the
evaluations,
framework
bid
evaluation,
scaring
steering
committee
to
comment
on
scoring.
That
is
not
something
that
with
that.
That
is
our
responsibility.
N
So
when
you
go
back
and
or
you
go
back
and
you
ask
questions
of
either
the
financial
or
technical
evaluation
team,
it
has
to
be
clearly
scripted.
It
has
to
be
reviewed
by
multiple
parties
before
go
through
include
the
procurement
leads,
including
fairness
to
make
sure
you're
not
leading
the
evaluators,
and
what
you're
trying
to
do
is
just
give
the
evaluators
a
little
bit
more
instruction,
because
you
saw
something
that
you
thought
might
not
have
been
completely
consistent
with
the
criteria
they're
evaluate
against.
N
M
F
L
So
we
we
did
team
members
of
my
team
participated
in
all
of
the
meetings
with
the
BSC
with
the
ESC
and
as
the
BSC
sent
back
some
some
very
clear
questions
to
the
evaluators.
Again,
our
team
was
represented
in
those
meetings
to
ensure
that
there
was
consistency
in
in
the
manner
in
which
they
were
applied.
So
we
were
there
every
step
of
the
way.
Okay,.
M
Thank
you,
I
want
to
go
back,
so
the
group
sends,
or
the
B
ESC
sends
back
for
a
revaluation.
The
revaluation
everyone
sort
of
bumps
up,
but
hey,
there's
still
an
anomaly.
There's
a
group
that
still
doesn't
need
this,
the
70.
So
at
that
point
a
decisions
made
to
go
to
executive
committee
and
at
my
meeting
I
asked
this
is
all
about
how
the
risk
was
identified
to
the
executive
group
and
I'm
told
read
the
minutes.
M
The
minutes
are
very
generic
and
they
say
there's
a
verbal
update,
but
then
I
find
this
document
that
was
provided
on
for
that
meeting
on
October,
26th
and
I'm
surprised
by
the
recommendation,
because
I
thought
that
PSC
that
the
built
evaluation
steering
committee
was
advisory.
But
on
one
of
the
slides,
I'll
read
the
point
it
says,
BSC
is
recommending
the
continued
of
evaluation
of
this
proponents
proposal
and
asked
ESC
to
confirm
this
recommendation
and
direct
the
the
continued
consideration
of
this
proposal.
M
I
Think
if
you
look
at
the
framework-
and
you
look
at
all
of
the
guidelines
that
were
set
up,
there
was
no
requirement
for
BSC
to
be
a
neutral
body.
We
were
required
to
be
a
fair
body
that
upheld
the
principles
of
the
RFP,
and
so
in
looking
at
all
of
the
different
options,
we
made
a
recommendation
to
executive
steering
committee.
I
It
was
there
a
decision
ultimately
as
to
what
to
do,
but
I
think
was
entirely
appropriate
for
us
to
make
a
recommendation
and
provide
them
with
some
guidance
based
on
what
we
had
seen
in
particular,
as
you
think
about
the
factors
that
permit
the
exercise
of
that
discretion.
We,
as
the
bid
evaluation
steering
committee,
were
closest
to
those
items.
Mr.
Buchi
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
anything
dad
yeah.
N
I
would
distinguish
me
and
look
not
looking
down.
That's
not
good
way
to
say,
but
dealing
with
the
evaluation,
the
evaluators,
the
financial
technical
evaluators
we
we
provide
due
diligence
just
ask
questions.
One
of
the
one
of
the
roles
of
the
evaluation
steering
committee,
as
mr.
Gilbert
is
saying,
is
to
advising
executive
steering
committee,
as
is
the
case
with
any
analysis
of
options.
You
go
forward
with
an
analysis
of
options.
N
You
do
some
sort
of
weighing
of
pluses
and
minuses
it,
because
otherwise,
that
the
meeting
needs
a
little
bit
of
structure
and
then
the
evaluation
steering
committee
has
at
its
disposal
the
analysis
was
done
and
could
either
accept
the
recommendation
or
go
in
a
different
direction.
That's
a
fairly
standard
approach,
I'll.
D
Select
I'd
also
let
that
now
share
that
in
the
framework
it
is
the
role
of
executive
steering
committee
which
comprised
myself
Rick,
O'conner,
John,
Mack
Kony
and
our
former
treasurer
Marion.
Similarly
to
make
that
decision.
So,
ultimately,
the
way
the
thing
was
set
up,
they
had
to
come
to
the
executive
steering
committee
to
get
that
approval
to
put
them
through,
so
they
brought
a
recommendation
based
on
a
set
of
circumstances
that
they
came
upon
and
we're
dealing
with
otherwise.
Well,
you
can't
just
show
up
to
the
meeting
and
say
we
have
these
scores.
D
H
F
Very
much
madam
chair,
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
meet
with
you
previously
and
helped
answer
some
of
my
questions
that
still
some
remain,
though
some
some
anomalies
seem
to
remain
so.
The
the
bid
evaluation
steering
committee,
the
technical
evaluation
steering
committee.
They
were
not
blind
bids.
They
knew
the
technical
scores
that
had
come
back,
but
the
executive
steering
committee
that
was
supposed
to
be
a
blind
bid
for
them.
They
weren't
aware
of
the
technical
scores
that
had
come
back
that
SNC,
reliable
I
had
received
a
sub
threshold
score.
Did
anyone
else
outside
of
those
committees?
N
Perhaps
just
the
administrative
team
that
was
part
of
the
evaluation
coordination
function,
because
the
folks
that
would
have
been
in
in
the
in
the
consensus
meetings
helped
him
take
the
notes
that
would
have
been
in
our
bid
evaluations
during
a
meeting
take
in
the
notes,
but
other
than
that.
That's
it
and
and
by
the
way
they're
identified
in
the
evaluation
framework
as
coordinators
or
procurement
leads.
So
they
are
basically
non
scoring
members
and
not
due
diligence.
Members
of
BSC
and
they're
just
helping
the
project
management
of
the
process
who.
I
N
I
F
I
We
explained
before
Norton
Rose
Fulbright
declared
its
conflicts
to
the
fairness
commissioner,
and
to
the
city
with
all
proponents,
where
we
had
a
relationship
in
this
mandate.
Our
only
client
was
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
that's
who
we
do
owed
our
duty
of
loyalty
to
and
that's
who
reacted
in
the
best
interest
of,
and
that
goes
for
every
lawyer
at
the
city.
Our
conflicts
were
not
lawyer,
specific.
They
were
for
every
lawyer
at
the
firm
who
was
acting
on
behalf
of
another
proponent
on
unrelated
matters,
as
we've
explained.
I
We've
explained
before
and
is
a
matter
of
public
record.
The
firm
has
had
a
relationship
with
us
and
see,
but
they
were
not
our
client
in
respect
of
this
matter.
In
respect
to
this
matter,
we
owed
the
duty
of
loyalty
to
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
we
discharged
that
duty
of
loyalty
and
acted
only
in
the
city
of
Ottawa's
interests
to.
F
L
We
did
not
receive
a
conflict
of
interest
form
for
mr.
Norris,
so
two
points
I'd
like
just
to
bring
up.
First
is
we
only
received
forms
for
individuals
where
there
was
a
statement
related
to
a
relationship?
So
that's
the
first.
However,
in
the
case
of
mr.
andit
raspy
cuz,
he
was
not
an
evaluation
participant.
We
would
not
have
expected
to
receive
a
conflict
of
interest
form.
He
was
not
part
of
the
evaluation.
He
was
not
an
evaluation
participant,
which
was
that
those
are
the
individuals
who
completed
the
conflict
of
interest
forms.
How.
I
It
was
the
subject
matter
of
the
opinion
that
they
were
providing
right.
They
were
providing
an
opinion
about
the
exercise
of
discretion
and,
as
a
result,
they
had
to
understand
that,
as
we've
said,
the
very
clear
factors
that
may
or
may
not
permit
the
exercise
of
that
discretion,
one
of
which
is
the
closeness
of
the
score
to
the
threshold.
So
they
were
aware
of
all
the
facts
and
circumstances
in
order
to
provide
the
best
possible
opinion
to
the
city
on
the
subject,
so
that
the
city's
interests
were
protected
at
all
times.
Okay
and
mr.
I
Know
I
was
not
the
one
who
informed
my
colleagues
Martin
masse
was
the
legal
subject
matter
expert
throughout
the
course
of
the
evaluations.
I
was
a
member
of
the
bit
evaluation
steering
committees,
you
know
so
Martin
Mass
would
have
been
well
aware
of
the
scoring
because
he
was
participating
in
the
training
participating
in
the
illegal
subject
matter.
Expert
questions
that
came
along
so
Martin
was
fully
aware.
He
did
not
need
me
to
inform
him
okay,
so
through
Martin,
a
Stephen
mattress
found
out
about
this.
Why
assume,
somehow
Martin
and
Stephen
communicated
that
okay
did.
D
The
team
was
advised
to
BES.
C
was
advised
by
our
fairness,
commissioner,
in
fact
not
bring
that
legal
opinion.
So
our
discussion
at
the
executive
steering
committee
was
based
on
a
number
of
factors,
one
of
which,
yes,
we
got
into
the
legal
portion,
but
it
was
not
the
sole
matter
in
terms
of
whether
we
made
a
decision,
so
I
did
not
feel
the
time
that
I
needed
validation
of
the
legal
opinion,
because
the
legal
opinion
was
not
the
thing
that
triggered
the
decision
solely
to
be
able
to
move
forward.
L
So
we
we
asked
that
the
consideration
for
the
purposes
of
the
application
of
the
discretionary
right
be
based
on
the
language
in
the
RFP
at
the
onset.
So
the
recommendation
moving
to
the
ESC,
as
I
mentioned
before,
was
based
on
the
proximity
of
the
final
scores,
which
was
less
than
3%,
and
the
significance
of
the
elements
of
the
scores
that
were
lower
than
70%,
based
on
what
the
bes
c
indicated.
L
So
in
terms
of
the
recommendation,
it
was
based
on
what
was
in
the
RFP
the
city,
as
I
mentioned
before,
as
do
many
of
the
clients
we
work
with,
retain
the
right
to
seek
legal
advice
when
there
consider
making
a
decision
of
this
nature.
So
they
they
did
that
in
their
right
to
obtain
information
on
on
the
risks
associated
with
making
the
decision.
But
the
recommendation
was
based
on
the
elements
that
were
considered
part
of
the
RFP
process.
Okay,.
F
So
that
memo
was
or
the
the
legal
opinion
was
drafted,
but
not
not
given
to
the
executive
steering
committee
there
was
there
was
legal
opinions,
but
that
one
we're
talking
about
was
not
given
to
them
and
there
I'm,
where
I'm
hearing
that
you
folks
recommended
against
giving
that
opinion.
I'm
asking
why,
for.
L
Because
the
recommendation
that
moved
forward
was
based
on
the
elements
that
that
formed
part
of
the
RFP,
so
first
the
recommendation
was
to
be
based
on
the
language
in
the
RFP
and
the
considerations
that
we've
indicated.
So
our
again,
our
recommendation
to
the
city
was
begin
with
the
elements
in
your
RFP
and
they
they
made
very
solid,
clear
statements
related
to
each
of
the
elements
that
were
considered
and
as
I
mentioned.
Then
the
city
could
consider
whatever
other
elements
they
desired
as
part
of
the
overall
final
decision.
F
Okay,
it's
not
clear
to
me
based
on
this
specific
ilegal
opinion,
though
why
you'd
say
that
should
go
the
other
elements.
I
understand
I'm
gonna,
ask
question
about
that,
but
why,
on
the
specific
legal
opinion
that
shouldn't
go
in
addition
to
the
other
elements,
I
understand
the
RFP
on
the
other
elements,
but
but
why
not
the
legal
opinion
I'm
try
to
zero
in
on
that
without
the
RFP
information?
Why
not
that
so.
L
L
Executive
committee
again
is
a
little
bit
different
than
than
the
B
ESC.
The
executive
committee
are
the
decision-makers
on
behalf
of
the
of
the
city,
so
essentially,
what
was
recommended
had
to
stay
in
art
from
our
perspective,
from
a
fairness
perspective
needed
to
stay
aligned
with
the
RFP
again
once
the
recommendation
was
made
so
which
it
was
then
the
city
could
consider
other
matters
in
making
your
decision
to
proceed.
L
F
D
D
We
talked
about
the
elements
that
led
to
the
scores
over
below
70%
we
talked
about
when
we
got
to
the
legal
part
about
material
deviation
or
was
so
significant
that
they
should
be
excluded,
and
we
talked
about
where
we
being
reasonable
and
excluding
proponent.
That's
less
than
three
points
or
three
percent
off
of
the
minimum
threshold.
D
Ultimately,
if
that
happened
and
what
would
be
the
significance,
what
would
be
the
ability
of
the
proponent
to
hold
us
up
and
how
strong
a
case
would
they
have
in
front
of
a
judge
with
respect
to
us
turning
them
away
for
three
points
when
the
issues
that
they
that
fail
to
get
them
to?
Seventy
were
not
of
such
significance
that
couldn't
ultimately
be
rectified,
and
the
final
piece
was
and
I.
D
So
I
felt
I
had
an
op
to
be
able
to
basically
turn
away
that
proponent.
Despite
what
their
final
score
was.
If
they
didn't
satisfies
once
they
met,
got
into
negotiations,
of
which
I
believe
Michael
was
involved
in.
It
came
back
that
they
satisfied
all
the
requirements
of
which
the
documentation
you
have
and
therefore
validated
putting
them
through,
because
we
ended
up
with
with
the
proponent
that
ultimately
was
recommended
at.
F
D
Not
at
all,
in
fact,
I
can
remember
in
my
own
mind,
trying
to
guess
who
the
proponent
might
be
and
I
was
actually
surprised
when
I
saw
the
final
score,
who
it
actually
was,
I
guess
the
wrong
person.
I
did
not
I
thought
that
they,
quite
frankly,
I
thought
they
would
be
disadvantaged
going
forward
because
they
carried
the
lower
score
and
we
did
not
change
their
score
to
allow
them
to
go
forward.
So
I
thought
they
did
be
disadvantaged.
F
D
No
I
had
no
idea,
or
none
of
us
had
any
idea
what
the
what
the
financials
would
be
or
how
close
they
would
be
or
whether
they
were
over
cap
or
anything
we
had.
We
had
no
idea.
We
were
dealing
with
the
matter
at
hand,
which
is
one
proponent.
That
was
three
points
off,
and
what
do
we
do
with
them?
Okay,.
B
So
when
we
we
met
and
we
received
the
discretion,
the
direction
from
BSE-
and
you
know
we
went
back
and
for
every
comment
that
they
provided
back
to
us.
We
went
back
to
that
that
section
and
in
fact
we
went
through
the
entire
document.
We
went
through
all
the
sections
and
made
sure
that
there's
a
clear
linkage
between
the
specific
comment
we
made
and
and
and
the
score
and
and
the
requirements
made
sure
that
there
was
kind
of
clear
linkage
and
that
you
could
be
defendable
and
in
some
cases
we
found
that
comments.
B
You
know
needed
to
be
tightened
up
or
were
washed
away
and
then
what
we
were
left
with
didn't
necessarily
rash.
You
know
provide
good
rationale
for
the
score,
and
so
we
adjust
it
where
we
thought
it
was
appropriate
and
we
did
that
across
the
board.
For
all
three
teams,
there
was
a
general
kind
of
uptick
in
all
the
scores,
but
but
we
felt
that
the
end
product
that
we
provided
after
the
direction
was
much
stronger
and
much
more
defendable
in
terms
of
potential
scrutiny
at
a
later
date.
Okay,.
F
B
F
B
F
D
The
the
I
went
back
and
looked
at
that
on
March
4th
that
well
actually
what
happened.
I
just
I'll
give
a
bit
background.
There
was
a
meeting
inquiry
concerning
the
70%
that
that
came
in
and
we
met
staff
met
only
on
with
mr.
Gilbert
on
March
4th
at
1
o'clock
to
1:30
to
discuss
the
the
discretionary
score
in
the
fact
we
had
a
media
inquiry
and
what
our
response
will
be
to
that
and
how
we
will
deal
with
that
at
council.
F
F
Way
before,
okay,
how
long
after
that
meeting
was
it
contemplated
to
release
that
information?
Because
we
had
gone
through
this
thing
where
we
were
asking
questions
at
that
meeting?
It
seemed
like
there
was
some
of
aces
and
it's
happening
there,
because
you
didn't
feel
you
could.
You
could
say
that
score,
but
we
you
you
were
saying
that
they
were
the
lowest
financial
bid
around
the
time.
So
I
guess.
How
could
we?
You
know
what
was
the
contemplation
of
staff
after
that
of
how
to
release
that
information.
D
Well,
you
know
the
the
the
council
meeting
itself,
I
think
that
you
know,
based
on
our
legal
advice
at
the
time
that
we
didn't
release
it,
because,
as
we've
seen
in
further
discussions,
the
the
risk
of
course
was
that
a
discussion
would
incur
that
was
dealing
with
material,
that
the
bidders
would
not
have
known
in
advance
was
part
of
the
process.
So
you
were
exposing
yourself
to
introducing
introducing
a
an
input
into
the
final
decision.
D
From
the
we
were
still
exposed
because
we
had
to
get
the
waivers
signed
off
by
the
losing
proponents
and
the
winning
proponents,
and
so
that
the
confidentiality
and
they
wouldn't
be
suing
the
city
or
taking
action
against
the
city.
So
the
decision
was
made
shortly
after
council
meeting
that
once
we
achieved
those
waivers
which
took
several
months
and
for
one
of
them
it
took
a
lot
longer.
Quite
frankly,
it
was
a
european-based
that
would
then
we
would
release
the
information
when
we
were
safe.
D
G
H
D
I
can
own
time
eeen,
nor
normally
we
haven't
I
mean
I.
Think
we'll
is
here.
We
don't
there's,
there's
clear
rules
around
that
and-
and
you
know
I
know,
some
councils
become
irritated
cuz.
You
reference
justice,
Bellamy,
but
justice
Bellamy
set
the
standard
based
on
what
happened
in
Toronto.
In
terms
of
where
councillors
are
elected,
officials
should
get
involved
in
in
procurement.
We're
obviously
looking
at
lessons
learned
and
to
see.
If
is
there
room
to
do
that
and
be
more
creative,
but
I
can
answer
on
this
specific
on
this
specific
procurement.
D
The
report
that
ultimately
was
approved
by
counsel
delegating
authority
and
then
which
set
into
motion
the
procurement
process
effectively
eliminated
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
share
that
information
with
Council
in
real
time,
because
we
were
totally
exposed
because
we
were
still
in
a
a
live
procurement
process.
We
hadn't
finalized
the
procurement
because
we
told
council
even
after
council
approves,
we
still
had
work
to
do
to
finalize
the
contract
with
the
preferred
recommended
proponent.
A
Thanks
just
one
question,
I'll
might
take
a
bit
to
explain.
No,
the
the
winning
bidder
had
had
seen
hits
technical
submission
evaluated,
failed
to
make
70%
the
the
the
next
level
asked
them
to
reevaluate.
It
still
didn't
make
70%,
but
mr.
Cadillac
owes
you've
told
that
they
have
committed
to
meet
the
requirements
and
I'm
I'm.
B
So
it
was
a
fulsome
team
that
that
did
the
review
to
assess
you
know
the
the
updated
responses
you
know.
For
example,
we
had
be
engaged
with
service
planning
at
transit
and
and
others
to
look
at
the
station
design
to
say
you
know
this
ramp.
Only
designed
does
that
work
for
anybody.
Is
that
really
achieving
the
outcomes?
B
And
so
you
know,
where
possible,
we
engage
the
stakeholders
to
look
at
the
solutions,
and
that's
that's
where,
where
we
are
today
in
terms
of
when
you
look
at
an
upland
station
or
Leitrim
boswell
and
now
they've
they've
gone
away
from
the
ramps,
only
and
Leitrim
BOS
will
have
the
stairs
ramps
on
both
sides.
You
know
the
outcome
is:
is
bearing
itself
in
the
actual
designs
that
we
see
now.
Okay,
so.
A
I
Chair,
the
other
bidders
would
have
had
that
exact
same
opportunity.
This
is
a
normal
part
of
every
p3
procurement
process,
the
first
negotiations,
proponent
stage.
The
rules
are
set
out
right
in
the
RFP,
so
everybody
who
participates
knows
that
they'll
be
this
stage
where
they're
non-conformance
--is
will
be
negotiated
so
that
they're
resolved
before
in
fact,
they're
made
their
preferred
proponent.
So
they
would
have
expected
it
and
we
would
have
undertaken
that
process,
irrespective
of
which
of
the
proponents
had
been
successful.
Okay,.
I
L
Question
of
from
a
fairness
perspective,
the
price
did
not
change.
Oh
that
happened
and
again
I
concur
that
this
is
a
normal
practice
as
part
of
p3
projects.
All
that
occurred
was
that
the
there
was
greater
clarity
and
that
you
addressed
through
the
negotiation
process,
some
of
the
minor
non-conformance
--is.
So
there's
no
fairness
issue
as
it
relates
to
other
proponents,
because
their
bid
was
enriched
and
their
price
was
not
modified.
Okay,.
A
I
You
look
at
the
last
couple
of
paragraphs
of
the
letter,
maybe
even
in
the
start
of
the
letter,
it's
indicated
that
that
letter
and
all
of
its
resolutions
form
part
of
what's
called
approach.
Echo
proposal
extracts
it's
actually
a
binding
schedule
to
the
project
agreement.
All
those
resolutions
must
be
adhered
to
as
covenants
perfect.
Thank
you,
chair.
K
I
and
thank
you
for
going
through
this
again
with
us,
I
would
like
to
ask
about
the
delegation
of
authority
and
I
have
been
told.
Actually
the
furnace
Commissioner
mentioned
here
this
evening
that
the
discretionary
clause
that
was
was
disclosed
in
the
RFP,
which
we
all
know,
but
it
was
more
substantive
than
you
have
seen
in
other
contracts.
Can
you
explain
what
you
mean
by
that?
Yes,.
L
So
there
several
of
the
p3s
will
have
discretionary
rights
that
allow
the
authority
to
take
certain
actions
in
other
p3
projects.
They
did
not.
They
don't
typically
have
the
list
of
the
bullets
underneath.
So
your
three
bullets
that
clearly
set
out
the
elements
that
the
sponsor
in
this
case
the
city
may
take
into
account.
So
those
elements
were
clearer
than
what
we
would
see
in
other
procurements.
Okay,.
K
Apparently,
I'm
told
that
the
discretionary
clause
is
is
part
of
p3s
and
we
at
the
City
Council
have
signed
discretionary
clauses
in
the
past
and
but
no
not
to
the
extent
that
it's
been
involved,
such
a
mega
project.
So
do
you
think
it
was
fair
that
we
didn't
understand
just
exactly
what
we
were
delegating
away
mr.
Cadillac
Asst,
because
we
seem
to
we.
While
we
do
the
standard
that
you
we
give
you
the
authority
to
do
things.
K
Basically,
all
we
were
allowed
to
do
at
the
end
of
this
process
was
to
sign
the
contract,
and
you
saw
counsels
counselors
time
and
again
over
the
whole
process,
asking
for
oversight
asking
for
and
nobody
ever
saying.
Well,
we
you
have
absolutely
no
right
to
ask
these
questions
and
everybody
seemed
to
be
a
little
bit
confused
by
the
process.
So
maybe
would
it
have
been
a
good
idea
to
explain
just
the
blanket
authority
that
we
had
delegated
away
well,.
C
D
Report
I
think
what
you're
raising
is
something
that
we
put
in
the
scope
with
that
report,
because
that
is
the
fundamental
issue
of
why
some
counselors
or
counselors
feel
that
geez.
You
know
we
didn't.
We
didn't
know.
We
hadn't
seen
the
RFP,
we
delegated
authority
staff
to
run
the
RFP.
It
wasn't
unlike
stage
one
quite
frankly,
but
that
in
the
scope
document,
you'll
see
that
they're
looking.
D
What
are
the
best
practices
to
bring
back
to
council,
milestone
information
or
key
critical
points
in
the
process
to
inform
you,
I'm,
I'm,
totally
open
to
looking
at
that
I.
Don't
have
a
you
know.
I'm
I
come
into
this
kind
of
with
the
view
that
you
know
we
followed
a
process
that
we
were
directed
to
do.
K
The
RFP
was
not
made
public
I
guess
you
say
that.
Do
you
do
that
in
hindsight
we
could
do
that
going
forward,
but
we
didn't
know.
City
councillors
did
not
know
that
there
was
a
discretionary
clause
in
this
until
the
we
learned
about
it
from
the
Auditor
General
in
November
of
last
year
and
I
think
I
speak.
We
were
all
quite
surprised
that
this
existed
and
I
was
sitting
around
this
council
table.
When
my
colleagues
were
asking
is
there
anything?
Is
there
anything
that
we
don't
know
about?
K
That
would
allow
a
bid
to
go
through
if
it
did
not
meet
the
70
percent
threshold
technical
threshold
and
that
wasn't
even
revealed
to
it.
At
that
point
we
were
told,
and
we
were
told
no
right-
we
were
told
no
there's
nothing
that
you're
missing
well.
Clearly
there
was
something
that
was
missing
a
discretionary
clause,
but
nobody
even
mentioned
that
at
that
point
so
which
leads
me
maybe
I.
You
know
I
just
think
that
why
didn't
you
tell
us?
K
Why
didn't
you
tell
us,
because
I
know
that
all
the
bidders
in
the
process
knew
that
there
was
a
discretionary
clause,
so
you
weren't
letting
anything
out
of
the
bag?
That
would
jeopardize
any
of
the
other
bids.
So
why
didn't
you
tell
us
that
day
that
there
was
a
clause
that
was
in
there
because
to
me,
though
you
were
try,
it
was
secret.
You
wanted
this
to
be
kept
secret.
D
I'm
going
about
to
answer
that
because,
as
I
said
earlier
and
I
think
this
is
something
that
you
know
I
want
to
reiterate,
we
set
out
the
criteria
for
how
this
bid
was
going
to
be
approved.
The
criteria
did
not
include
council
involvement
in
the
procurement
process,
which
was
clearly
communicated
to
the
bidders
before
they
actually
submitted
anything
to
start
the
process.
D
So
you
effectively
cut
yourself
out
from
knowing
that
information,
because
introducing
that
information
into
a
live
council
meeting
when
the
bidders
have
been
told
that
council
is
not
involved
up
front,
would
effectively
open
up
the
decision-making
process
of
how
they
ended
up
being
the
preferred
proponent.
So
on
legal
advice
and
that
day
I
know
you
didn't
like
it,
but
on
that
day
our
legal
counsel
was
actually
protecting
staff
and
yourselves
from
the
proponents
that
are
lost
coming
in
reaching
in
and
saying
wait
a
minute.
This
is
not
fair.
D
D
K
H
H
K
Anybody
can
back
me
up
that
with
the
answer
to
that
question
when
we
asked
it
at
Council
was
there
was
nothing
that
we
were
missing.
Is
that
true
I
mean
am
I
not
remembering
correctly
it's
iffy,
okay
I
will
take
that
back.
Mr.
Cadillac
Asst,
we
just
didn't
get
a
clear
answer
then
to
that,
but
going
forward.
You'll
will
know
that
exactly
the
extent
of
what
we're
delegating
away,
the
bidders
knew
that
apparently,
that
we
didn't
have
any
input
into
this.
Well.
D
Madam
chair,
as
I,
said
you're
looking
at
lessons
learned,
we
have
heard
what
counsel
wants
you.
You
have
a
report
in
front
of
you.
That's
basically
looking
at
all
the
things
you've
asked
for
and
all
the
things
that
counsel
me
and
has
asked
what
else
can
I
tell
you
I'm
bringing
you
back
a
report
by
third
quarter,
that's
going
to
provide
all
the
answers
to
you
and
then
you
may
get
to
make
the
decision
based
on
the
advice
of
staff
and
the
total
totality
of
the
information
you
have
we're.
Bringing
that
back
to
you.
Thank.
D
H
M
Okay,
miss
madam
miss
our
joint,
so
I
want
to
go
back
to.
Why
do
we
put
a
percentage?
It
really
bugs
me.
It
really
bugs
me.
We
all
went
to
high
school
and
there
was
a
point
where
you
have
to
Pat.
You
need
this
amount
to
pass
and
I.
Don't
understand
why
we
would
set
out
a
criteria
and
then
not
respected
when
I
read
the
documents,
there's
like
a
a
strengths
weaknesses
for
each
bid
and
I
appreciate
that
that
was
shared
and
then
there's
the
word
fatal
flaw
that
comes
out
and
to
me
I.
M
Don't
know
how
other
colleagues
felt,
but
it's
like
whoa
wait
a
minute
and
you
start
reading
into
it
in
terms
of
the
technicality
of
the
bids,
say:
wait
like
elements
in
the
that'd,
be
the
train
system,
control
that'd,
be
the
details
of
the
integration
that'd,
be
the
onboard
equipment.
There's
tons
of
information
that
we're
not
meeting
so
I
want
to
know
what
options
did
executive
committee
face.
I
see
the
recommendations,
but
what
was
the
range
of
options
that
the
committee
had.
M
I
Steering
community,
obviously
they
chose
the
recommended
path
that
they
could
have
chose
I.
They
could
have
chose
to
not
allow
the
bidder
to
proceed.
They
could
have
abandoned
the
procurement
process
and
started
a
new
procurement
process.
There
are
several
hypothetical
scenarios
that
they
could
have
pursued.
The
facts
and
circumstances
clearly
indicated
to
the
BSc
that
the
recommendation
should
be
made
that
they
be
allowed
to
continue
for
all
the
reasons
that
we've
carefully
outlined
here
today
can.
N
I
just
clarify
son.
Sorry,
if
I
may,
there
were
two
steps.
The
technical
evaluation
was
the
technical
conformance
done
by
I
think
up
to
70
individual
engineers
or
specialist
engineers
that
then
provided
a
report
to
the
technical
evaluators.
So
and
Michael
can
speak
more
about
some
of
the
specific
elements
that
had
to
be
addressed
prior
during
the
first
rank
negotiation
process,
but
one
of
the
factors
we
talked
about,
which
was
proximity,
the
score,
the
second
point,
which
is
no
material.
N
N
M
A
lay
person
I'm,
not
an
N
I'm,
not
an
engineer,
I'm,
not
a
lawyer,
the
bidding
or
really
looking
at
the
score
to
me
as
a
I
know,
you
don't
agree
with
me,
but
I'm
gonna
say
it
I!
Think
it's
an
odd
process!
I
just
I
already
failed
I've,
no
I,
fail
them
and
still
I
I
push
them
through.
That's
that's
odd
to
me:
I!
Don't.
D
Madam
chair
man,
just
I
can
understand
how
that
perception
is
there
and
that
somebody
could
come
to
that
conclusion.
But
I
also
have
to
say
that
we're
dealing
with
people
who
have
done
you
know
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
procurements
across
this
country
and
I
have
to
defer
to
their
advice
when
we're
there
as
a
team.
Quite
frankly,
I'm
not
talking
to
a
layperson
to
get
advice
on
how
to
manage
through
a
4.6
billion
dollar
project.
D
On
behalf
of
the
City
of
Ottawa,
my
job
as
your
main
public
servant
is
to
ensure
that
you're
protected
and
you
have
the
best
possible
advice
around
you
in
terms
of
what
to
do.
I
receive
the
best
possible
advice
based
on
a
number
of
factors,
as
I've
explained.
Ultimately,
we
made
the
decision
to
move
them
through
because
we
felt
we
had
the
best
advice.
We're
lay
people
to
a
certain
extent,
I've
done
a
lot
of
procurements,
but
none
of
that
magnitude
we
we
needed
to
understand
all
the
risks,
including
not
putting
them
through.
D
We
discuss
that.
What
are
our
options?
Don't
put
them
through
start
over
I.
Remember
Jeff
talking
about
all
those
things,
it's
not
about
what
someone
thinks
as
a
lay
person
it's
about.
What
do
people
who
do
this
all
the
time,
advise
us
to
ensure
that
the
city
is
best
positioned
to
get
what
they
need
out
of
this
procurement
process.
That's
what
you
have
to
have
here
and
I
know
I'm
asking
for
a
lot
but
you're,
trusting
experts
who
do
this
all
the
time
to
give
you
that
it's
best
advice
to
keep
you
out
of
trouble.
D
N
Was
no
rebidding
to
be
clear,
I
just
had
there
was
or
something
we
would
call
sort
of
bid
repair.
There
was
none
of
that.
What
we're
talking
about
here
is
interpretation
of
the
scoring
the
moving
forward
from
a
process
perspective
to
ensure
that
those
technical
non-conformance
'iz
could
be
cleared
before
you
go
to
prefer
proponent.
That
standard
in
a
p3,
oh
I,
should
say
I'd,
be
careful
in
an
output
based
contract,
because
interpretation
of
a
specification
requires
technical
judgment
so
in
every
design,
build
finance
main
I've
been
involved
in
even
design
builds.
N
But
then
the
point
is
you
need
to
then
sit
down
with
that
first
rank
negotiations
proponent
and
ensure
their
interpretations
consistent
with
yours
and
better
than
that,
because
you
have
competitive
tension,
that's
your
opportunity
to
try
to
make
it
very
clear
that
you're
getting
what
you
want
and
you're,
not
changing
the
price
and
you're,
not
changing
the
the
project
agreement
and
you're.
Not
changing
the
RFP
you're,
just
holding
them
to
your
collective
understanding
of
what
they're
providing
you,
because
you
don't
have
a
hundred-percent
design.
N
M
Maybe
if
it's
8:00
p.m.
so
my
terminology
might
be
loose
just
for
the
public
record.
Sorry
yeah
so
I
want
to
understand
we're.
We
have
not
been
sued
by
the
other
two
procurement
teams,
so
there's
an
NDA
of
some
sort
and
we've
made
the
payments.
Can
you
maybe
describe
to
us
what
that
process
is
because,
if
I'm
on
the
other
side,
hey
these
guys
don't
meet
the
percentage
I
want
to
I
want
fairness.
M
I
As
part
of
the
process,
you
have
debriefs
with
the
other
proponents
which
we
had
or
we
walked
them
through
the
strengths
and
weaknesses
of
their
own
proposals.
Following
those
debriefs,
you
present
to
them
a
waiver
which,
where
they
sign
all
the
members
of
their
proponent
team,
everyone
who
makes
up
their
proponent
team
signs
that
waiver
in
exchange
for
participating
in
the
process,
those
bid
teams
receive
their
honorariums.
We
went
through
that
process,
as
mr.
Kenna
lacus
explained.
I
I
M
I
The
others
participated
in
the
process
fully
completely
and
you
know,
were
debriefed,
went
through
the
waiver,
they
they
and
as
the
furnace
Commissioner
said,
I'll.
Let
them
comment,
but
the
others
participated
in
a
process
and,
and
it
met
their
expectations.
The
exercise
of
discretion
clause
was
was
something
that
all
proponents
were
aware
of,
and
all
proponents
understood
the
circumstances
under
which
it
could
possibly
be
exercised
and
those
were
the
circumstances
under
which
it
was
exercised.
Okay,
I'll.
M
Wrap
up
my
comment
that
for
me
when,
when
we
voted,
we
asked
questions
on
the
process
and
now
we
know
the
disclosure
piece
now
we
know
the
going
back
yet
I'm
supporter
of
face.
It
just
feels
like
it
wasn't
as
transparent
as
we
wanted
to
and
I
wish
that.
Maybe
it
was
our
the
way
we
wrote
the
delegation
of
authority
I
wish.
We
would
have
gone
back
in
camera
that
you
would
have
explained
that
process.
M
So
then,
when
we
made
that
vote
on
phase
2,
we
would
have
known
that
hey
here's,
the
final
price,
because
to
me
it's
feels
very
heavily
weighted
on
price
alone
and
a
hundred
million
dollars
in
the
bigger
context.
Where
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
heavy
lifting
by
Michael
and
his
team
to
make
sure
that
they're
compliant
because
their
bids
is
wasn't
I
mean
it's
not
allowed
visa,
as
we
would
say
in
French,
it
was
the
other
two
were
really
good.
Technically
they
were
awesome.
Maybe
the
price
was
different.
M
Maybe
it
would
have
given
us
a
different
outcome.
If
counsel
would
have
would
have
gone
in
camera
at
the
time,
I
recognize
what
I'm
describing
as
comments,
but
that's
certainly
how
I
feel
about
it.
I
mean
I
hope
that
the
lesson
learned
report
will
will
look
into
without
political
influence
in
the
process.
Political
awareness
of
of
those
decisions.
O
Flurry
just
said,
and
for
the
last
year
or
so,
we've
had
a
handful
of
members
of
counsel
that
have
been
a
little
bit
smearing
the
reputation
and
the
professionalism
of
our
of
our
staff,
and
when
we
get
an
answer,
we
don't
like
the
answer
and
they
ask
the
AG
to
investigate
and
the
AG
investigates
and
they
don't
like
the
facts
presented
by
the
AG
and
counselor
McKenney
and
I'm.
Sorry
she's,
not
here
sure
she
would
verify
what
I'm
about
to
say.
O
On
November
26th
came
to
me
after
the
Audit
Committee
meeting
and
said
I'm
disappointed
in
the
Auditor
General.
He
doesn't
work
for
us.
Never
truer
words
have
been
spoken.
He
does
not
work
for
individual
council
members
in
their
agenda.
As
he
said
he's
he
said.
The
job
of
the
AG
is
to
say
what
we
found.
Not
what
someone
wants
us
to
find
members
of
council
deny
facts
presented
by
the
fairness.
Commissioner,
deny
fact
presented
by
our
managers.
O
Peddling
conspiracy
theories,
if
you
will
so
I,
would
ask,
after
this
debate,
we're
about
to
go
on
to
item
three,
maybe
at
the
end,
lessons
learned
very
important
part
of
this
very
important
part
of
the
Menard
Watson
motion
of
February
12th
to
turn
the
page
so
that
we
could
stop
a
hacking.
I
think
that
we
have
the
totality
of
the
facts.
We
released
all
the
documents
of
procurement,
Stage,
two
they're
there
they're
all
out
there,
it's
in
the
interests
of
our
residents
and
yeah
and
I
think
I
think
I
think
it's
it's
fair.
O
We've
seen
it
as
part
of
the
the
news
conference
last
week
that
was
given
by
members
of
the
coalition
that
you
know
the
motives
are
that
we
don't
like
p3s,
perhaps
in
some
ways,
as
as
my
colleague
to
my
right
has
said,
you
know,
is
it
to
cancel
stage
two,
because
it's
a
p3
you've
just
said
no.
Okay,
let's
have
the
courage
to
to
continue
with
with
Phase
two
to
make
it
the
best
we
can
to
engage
in
an
intelligent
debate
about
the
benefits
of
stage
two
to
our
residents
to
the
city
as
a
whole.
O
We
wanted
to
extend
from
Blair
to
trim
and
South
to
the
airport
and
to
Bo's,
ville
and
west
to
Bayshore
I.
Think
it's
time
to
move
on
after
everyone
has
spoken,
of
course,
to
lessons
learned
and
to
make
it
the
best.
We
can
I
appreciate
that
Jessica
cäcilie
the
end
Xia
appreciate
what
the
council
Flurry's
just
said.
He
supports
sir
states
to
that
to
say
that
to
recognize
it
wasn't
a
perfect
process.
Nobody
said
it
was
a
perfect
process.
O
O
The
way
we
wanted
to
and
we
need
to
do
better
and
we
will
do
better
and
we'll
apply
all
the
conditions
to
make
it
better,
but
the
tone
that
I'd
heard
and
some
of
the
comments
with
respect
to
some
of
the
advice
that
we
have
counselors,
not
professionals,
we're
not
procurement
or
legal
or
rail
experts
that
that
we
need
to
we
chew
as
counselors
need
to
do
better
for
the
residents
of
our
city.
Thank
you,
madam
deputy
mayor.
B
Madam
chair,
we
remember,
considers
that
a
members,
rights,
immunities
or
integrity
or
the
rights,
immunities
or
integrity
of
the
council
as
a
whole
have
been
impugned.
The
member
may,
as
a
matter
of
privilege,
rise
at
any
time
with
the
consent
of
the
mayor
or
chair
for
the
purpose
of
drawing
the
attention
of
the
matter
to
council.
Upon
being
recognized
by
the
mayor,
a
chair,
the
member
may
state
the
question
of
privilege.
You,
madam
chair,
would
then
determine
the
question
and
require
whether
or
not
anything
further
would
need
to
be
done.
H
M
O
D
J
Did
the
winning
proponents
meet
all
of
the
thresholds,
technical,
financial
and
otherwise
before
the
contract
was
awarded?
Yes,
they
did
wonderful,
okay.
Why
are
we
still
here?
Colleagues,
look
Stage,
one
will
never
work
properly
without
stage
two
we've
had
three
groups
of
independent
investigators
and
auditors
tell
us
that
we
got
the
best
deal
and
that
the
process
was
followed.
J
We
should
not
give
up
on
stage
two
I
have
four
stations
coming
to
my
ward,
I
didn't
vote
on
the
process,
but
we
did
vote
at
the
very
end
or
at
the
very
beginning
of
our
term
here
on
council
to
go
ahead
and
finish
the
procurement
process
that
was
started
by
the
previous
council
I,
just
like
I,
like
I,
don't
know
what
we're
picking
at
here
look.
Are
there
issues
with
the
procurement
process?
Yes,
but
did
this
council
approve
that
procurement
process?
Yes?
F
Thanks
my
chair,
I,
just
I,
don't
know
that
the
commentary
right
now
around
this
type
of
thing
is
helpful.
The
public
has
questions,
we
have
questions
or
legitimate
questions.
They're
outstanding
questions
and
people
are
wanting
answers
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here
by
asking
questions.
So
you
know
that's
legitimate
role
of
counsel,
even
though
the
process
may
have
been
approved
by
a
previous
Council.
It
doesn't
mean
that
that
process
was
exemplary
and
that's.
F
Why
we're
doing
this
now
to
make
sure
that
anything
in
the
future
is
changed
or
looked
at
in
a
way
that
we
get
the
best
process
possible,
because
this
one
certainly
wasn't.
My
question
is
around
the
RFP
document
that
we
had
put
out
for
this
procurement
in
there.
It
states
that,
if
a
proponent
believes
there's
any
term
or
condition
that
in
an
RFP
document
that
is
ambiguous,
the
proponent
can
notify
shall
notify
the
sponsor
of
that
ambiguity.
I
F
I
F
I
We
did
not
communicate
the
lowest
price.
What
was
part
of
the
council
presentation
a
year
ago
was
the
budgetary
elements
of
the
entire
stage
to
program.
I
can
turn
it
over
to
Miss
Jasmine
to
talk
about
the
things
that
were
discussed,
but
we
did
not
give
the
exact
final
price
and
we
did
not
give
the
financial
scores.
What
we
did
do
and
wasn't
myself.
It
was
Miss,
Jasmine
and
and
Marian
talked
about
the
budgetary
implications,
which
obviously
gave
you
a
picture
of
what
those
prices
generally
were
and
what
the
impact
was.
I
E
F
I
The
consideration
of
the
budgetary
elements
at
the
time,
particularly
given
that
on
the
Confederation
line
in
East
West,
as
you
may
recall,
there
was
a
significant
overage
from
the
affordability
caps,
which
had
significant
budgetary
impacts,
and
so
it
was
absolutely
necessary
from
budget
perspective
that
Miss,
Jasmine
and
Marian
similar.
Give
you
all
the
necessary
information
to
make
good
budgetary
decisions
at
the
time.
F
I
The
facts
and
circumstances
under
which
that
information
was
provided.
It
was
absolutely
necessary
in
order
for
councillors
to
understand
the
budgetary
constraints
that
they
were
working
under
and
the
budgetary
constraints
that
they
were
facing.
Given
the
unaffordability
of
the
east-west
connectors
proposal,
okay,.
D
F
I
F
To
go
to
the
public-private
partnership
aspect
of
this,
because
what
we're
facing
now
is
obviously
we're
seeing
potential
legal
risks
associated
with
LRT,
and
so
I'd
like
to
ask
in
the
decisions
to
go
forward
with
p3s
and
a
DB
FM.
The
way
we
have
we've,
we
have
risks
taking
into
account,
and
in
this
case,
when
you
didn't
look
at
the
risks,
it
made
more
sense
for
the
public
sector
to
procure
this
project.
When
you
took
into
account
the
risks,
then
you
said
it
made
more
sense
for
the
private
sector
to
to
take
on
the
project.
F
N
Madam
chair,
yes,
so
there's
two
components
to
a
value
for
money
assessment.
The
first
is
the
risk
matrix
whereby
you
would
compare
each
risk
and
its
likelihood
and
probability
of
occurrence
under
your
baseline
design-bid-build.
That's
typical
versus
the
option.
You're
considering-
and
this
was
designed-
build
finance
maintain.
N
The
one
thing
I
would
point
out
is
that
the
vast
majority
of
those
risks
which
are
not
programmatic,
like,
for
example,
scope
changes,
tend
to
be
more
prevalent
under
design-bid-build
than
p3s,
but,
for
example,
some
of
the
issues
that
have
been
encountered
on
the
stage.
One
project
geotechnical
issues
on
a
tunnel,
the
the
integration
of
the
system
with
the
and
the
manufacturing
of
the
trains.
Those
are
not
p3
issues,
those
are
project,
specific
issues.
So
what
you'd
see
in
the
V
F
in
the
value-for-money
assessment
is
that
the
the
size
of
that
risk?
N
Then
the
question
is
who's,
got
the
integration
and
coordination
risk
under
that
contract
and
that's
the
primary
difference
in
the
risk
transfer.
When
you
look
at
an
integrated,
design-build
maintained
versus
a
traditional
project,
then,
and
and
really
that
is
what
we
call
the
retained
risk,
are
you
retaining
that
risk
or
not?
Based
on
the
security?
N
That's
in
the
contract
and
risk
allocation,
then
you
add
to
that
the
incremental
cost
of
financing,
because
theoretically
and
at
the
point
you're
getting
to
is
you've,
got
a
you've,
got
a
private
financing
structure
and
that
adds
cost
and
if
that
added
cost,
plus
the
risk
that
you've
retained
or
transferred
is
lower
than
the
the
baseline
you've
got
value.
What
I
would
tell
you
is
if
you're,
if
you're
seeing
projects
that
have
higher
risk
than
aren't
p3
based
like
you've,
got
a
you've
got
a
sinkhole
or
you
have
trouble
with
the
manufacture
in
the
vehicles.
N
F
I
want
to
be
clear,
is
a
legal
risk
associated
with
the
initial
valid
for
money
aspect,
so
I
know,
there's
brownfield
risk
the
the
proponent
could
find
a
brownfield,
that's
a
risk,
but
is
it
considered
in
the
risk
assessment
that
we
could
be
sued
by
the
proponents,
either
within
the
RFP
phase
or
or
later
on?
And
my
understanding
is
that
is
not
taken
into
consideration.
The
value
for
money
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
I'm.
N
Sorry
there
are
procurement
RIF,
depending
on
which
risk
matrix
you
use.
There
are
some
risk
matrices
that
have
procurement
risks.
In
this
case,
did
we
use
I
think
we
had
a
two
levels
and
there
one
level
of
procurement
would
be
the
injuring
procurement
construction
risk
that
one
the
general
contractor
is
doing,
and
then
the
procurement
of
the
authority
is
doing
that's
the
programmatic
risk.
N
I
was
Tony
and
I
have
to
go
back
and
look,
but
if
we
were
using
I
think
we
were
using
a
second
generation
infrastructure,
Ontario
template
at
the
time
there
probably
would
have
been
a
programmatic
type.
Now
it
wouldn't
have
been
as
pedantic
enough
to
say
it's
litigation
based.
It's
just
saying
we'll
you
have
a
failed
procurement
and
there
are
a
variety
of
reasons
why
it
may
fail.
Okay,
thanks.
F
For
that
I
think
we
find
ourselves
in
a
situation
where
the
city
has
taken
on
a
lot
of
risk
and
what
we've
done
in
the
last
little
while
the
way
projects
have
turned
out
with
with
stage
one
and
the
risk
we
took
in
undertaking
the
process
in
this
piece
for
Stage
two,
those
need
to
be
measurable
for
this
city
going
forward.
We
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
incorporating
those
sorts
of
risks.
Have
we
not
taken
on
a
p3?
We
wouldn't
be
the
situation,
we're
in
stage
one
right
now.
F
We
would
not
be
but
we're
there,
because
we
took
this
on
in
a
DBF
mp3
and
that
that
is
that's
the
situation
we
find
ourselves
in
now.
So
I
think
we
need
to
really
reflect
in
this
city
how
we
go
about
mitigating
the
risk
to
our
residents,
because
we've
taken
on
and
they're
saddled
for
30
years
now,
that's
a
decision.
That's
been
made
in
both
stages
and
it's
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
risk
that
they've
taken
on
and
we've
done
it
in
a
way
that
people
think
that
there's
there's
question
in
a
questionable
manner.
H
You
know,
the
City
of
Ottawa
also
undertook
a
very
successful
p3
with
the
Royal
Ottawa
Hospital,
which
has
won
accolades
from
many
many
outlets.
So
once
again,
we
that
might
be
a
conversation
for
another
day,
we're
all
incredibly
tired.
I
would
like
to
extend
a
sincere
thank
you
to
city
staff,
our
legal
teams
here
and
the
fairness
commissioners
for
being
here
and
answering
all
these
very,
very
important
questions.
I
think
this
puts
a
lot
of
perspective
on
the
situation
and
just
to
provide
some
clarity
that
I
think
that
we
were
lacking.
H
C
A
H
H
This
one
is
the
information
previously
distributed:
Marama
Daum
from
the
city
manager
with
respect
to
release
of
the
stage
two
light:
rail
transit,
Trillium,
Line
project
procurement
augments,
as
directed
by
City
Council
motion
27-6
of
February
12
2020.
Can
we
receive
these
received?
Okay,
perfect
number,
three
LRT
stage
to
procurement,
lessons-learned
scope
that
Finance
and
Economic
Development
Committee
recommends
council
approved
the
LRT
stage
to
procurement
lessons-learned,
planned
scope
of
work
in
response
to
items
three
and
four
from
the
motion
substitute
for
Minard
Meehan
motion:
LRT
Stage,
two
procurement:
can
we
receive
this
or
Carrie
Carrie.
F
Very
much
madam
chair
I,
just
very
quick
I
read
through
these.
It
looks
very
good
to
me,
I
think
you're,
hitting
on
the
elements
that
are
outside
of
the
the
the
motion.
Specifically,
that
already
covers
some
of
the
other
pieces
around
delegation
of
authority.
So
it's
what
I
wanted
to
see
in
terms
of
some
of
the
analysis,
the
piece
that
I
want
to
if
I
could
just
give
direction.
Hopefully
it's
easy
enough
is
around
the
weighting,
the
weighting
of
scores
within
our
our
purchasing
policy
or
our
p3
policy.
F
I
understand
some
of
its
outside,
but
some
of
it
would
be
hopefully
within
the
lessons
learned.
So
the
weighting
of
scores
for
me
is
important
to
get
to
get
that
piece
back
and
then
the
that
I
wanted
to
ask
a
question
of
staff
around
the
cities.
The
p3
policy
review
that
I
understand
is
coming
back
at
the
midterm
governance
review
for
a
discussion
there,
and
will
you
be
making
recommendations
at
that
midterm
governance
for
potential
changes
or
how
is
that
going
to
work.
F
F
B
A
You
I
guess
my
concerns
from
lesson
learned,
really
revolve
around
risk.
The
idea
of
systemic
risks
for
certain
projects
that
we
undertake
under
these
models
I
noticed
that
the
word
risk
only
appeared
once
in.
In
this
lesson.
Learned,
scope,
and
so
I
was
just
curious
as
to
the
consideration
that
staff
will
be
taking
to
mitigate
and
evaluate
the
potential
of
technology
failure
or
non
delivery
of
the
services
that
we
are,
that
we
are
purchasing.
A
So,
madam
chair,
one
of
the
items
that
I've
aligned
in
the
scope
of
work
is
a
review
of
the
different
project
delivery
methodologies,
which
are
based
around
the
allocation
of
risk,
and
so
as
part
of
the
scope
of
work.
That
would
be
a
recommendations
around
how
to
procure
a
similar
or
a
second
light
rail
project,
and
so
that
allocation.
A
I'd
also
like
to
underline
specifically
turbulence
risks
or
those
risks
that
emerge
in
large
scale
projects
when
we
have
unforeseen
events
which
I
understand,
and
we
had
a
kind
of
chain
of
unforeseen
events
which
didn't
allow
for
full
disclosure
of
a
fulsome
disclosure
of
information
to
council
council
was
really
just
confronted
with.
You
know
a
decision
and
I
think
that
often
you
know
we
need
to
have
a
more
fulsome
process
in
terms
of
really
assessing
some
of
these
risks.