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Finance and Economic Development Committee Special Meeting - Agenda 23 - Friday, April 23, 2021 - video stream
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A
few
reminders
for
today's
meeting,
which
is
being
used,
is
being
held
using
zoom
members,
account
committee
and
staff.
Please
stay
on
mute
at
all
times
unless
called
upon
to
speak
members
of
council.
If
you
wish
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an
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at
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or
star
nine
for
members
on
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phone,
and
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meeting
will
be
live
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youtube.
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A
A
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B
C
D
B
Birthday
eli
take
out
friday,
so
we
look
forward
to
seeing
what
you're
going
to
order
for
you
and
maha
declaration
of
interest
declaration
today
finance
services.
This
is
our
one
item
on
the
agenda:
2021
tax
ratios
and
other
tax
policies.
We
have
wendy
stephenson
and
joseph
mahoney
are
going
to
do
a
presentation.
We
have
no
members
of
the
public
who've
signed
up
for
this
and
then
we'll
go
to
questions
and
comments
from
members
of
council
so
wendy
the
floor
is
yours.
E
That
will
go
out
in
early
may,
and
I
know
the
report
is
a
little
bit
technical,
so
we're
going
to
do
our
best
to
simplify
the
conversation
this
morning
and
lastly,
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
all
of
the
members
for
the
special
meeting.
We
were
delayed
slightly
this
year
as
a
result
of
covid,
and
we
very
much
appreciate
the
meeting
today
to
walk
you
through
this
next
slide.
Please
carol.
E
So
following
budget
approval,
as
you
know,
staff
present,
the
annual
tax
policy
report,
which
recommends
tax
policies
based
on
our
budget
requirement
and
council,
must
approve
the
following
items
every
year.
So
we
have
to
approve
all
of
the
tax
classes
and
our
discounts
that
are
associated
with
those.
Our
tax
ratios
the
adoption
of
our
technical
adjustment,
our
public
institution
levies,
our
property
tax,
due
dates
for
the
following
year,
as
well
as
our
mitigation
policies
and
programs.
E
It's
also
an
opportunity
to
provide
updates
and
recommendations
on
other
property,
tax
issues
and
revenue
issues
and
the
recommendations
that
you're
going
to
see
today
are
very
consistent
with
those
from
previous
years
and,
lastly,
we're
going
to
present
a
framework
on
the
optional
small
business
subclass
that
we
plan
to
consult
with
the
business
community
once
the
report
is
approved
by
council
proceed.
Possibly
next
slide,
please.
E
E
Every
year
the
first
bill
went
out,
which
was
due
the
third
thursday
in
march,
and
the
final
bill
will
go
out
in
I'm
going
to
say
mid
to
late
may,
with
a
due
date
of
thursday
in
june
and
property
taxes
are
pretty
simple
equation:
it's
basically
the
tax
rate
times
the
property
assessment
value,
and
the
bill
also
includes
our
provincial
education
amount
where
the
city
bills
and
collects
and
remits
to
the
province.
So
we
do
that
on
their
behalf
and
approximately
six
times
a
year.
E
We
do
our
supplementary
and
our
additional
tax
bills
for
things
like
new
construction
and
work.
That's
been
done
on
properties
where
folks
have
retained
a
permit
for
that,
and
it
adds
value
to
the
actual
property
and
we've
gone
a
long
way
in
terms
of
I'm
going
to
say,
automating
our
process
as
well
as
those
folks
who
pay
electronically
and
approximately
80
of
our
owners
pay
electronically,
which
is
I'm
going
to
say
the
least
expensive
way
to
pay.
So
it's
music
to
our
ears
and
as
announced
by
the
province,
we
know
that
reassessment
is
again
delayed.
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F
Tax
shifting
causes
one
class
to
benefit
at
the
expense
of
another,
and
therefore
each
year
council
may
adopt
prior
year
ratios
and
prior
year
ratios
will
allow
for
tax
shifting
or
they
can
adopt
neutral
ratios,
which
mitigate
the
tax.
Shifting
traditionally,
council
has
adopted
neutral
ratios
to
keep
the
tax
burden
from
shifting
between
classes.
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A
F
F
F
The
province
has
provided
the
flexibility
to
municipalities,
to
define
a
small
business
to
reflect
their
local
circumstances,
since
the
enabling
provincial
regulation
is
still
pending
and
consultation
with,
stakeholders
is
required.
The
most
interested
municipalities
are
considering
implementation
in
2022
and
beyond.
F
In
reviewing
the
small
business,
subclass
staff
were
guided
by
some
of
the
following
principles:
the
first
one
being
the
small
business
subclass
should
not
add
administrative
burden
to
the
city
or
burden
the
residential
class.
The
second
is,
there
is
no
funding
available
and
therefore
the
introduction
of
the
small
business
subclass
must
remain
revenue
neutral.
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F
A
small
business
subclass
defined
by
revenue
or
number
of
employees
will
have
to
be
application
based
and
because
the
city
must
consider
at
the
administrative
aspect
in
creating
a
definition.
A
small
business
definition
based
on
revenue
or
number
of
employees
is
not
recommended
square
footage.
However,
and
properly
used
information
is
readily
available
through
mpac
and
can
be
used
to
define
a
small
business
next
slide,
please.
F
So
how
did
we
go
about
this
in
terms
of
determining
what
a
small
business
definition
would
look
like?
All
properties
are
assigned
a
property,
a
primary
use
code
by
mpac,
based
on
a
review
of
all
these
codes
staff
have
determined
that
the
following
lend
themselves
to
a
small
business
definition
or
a
definition
that
houses
small
businesses.
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F
F
F
Please,
in
addition
to
these
properties,
there
are
larger
properties
that
may
house
small
businesses,
but
will
need
to
be
capped
by
15
000
square
feet
in
order
to
qualify.
These
include
specialty
automotive,
neighborhood
shopping,
centers,
community
shopping,
centers,
multi-type
complexes,
mixed
retail
standard,
industrial
properties,
assembly
halls,
community
halls
and
clubs,
both
private
and
fraternal
next
slide.
Please.
F
This
is
because
large
retail
properties,
with
over
25
000
square
feet,
attract
the
shopping
class
rate,
which
is
1.4
times
the
residential
rate,
while
small
commercial
properties
under
25
000
square
feet
attract
a
commercial
class
rate
which
is
1.8
times
the
residential
rate.
As
a
result,
large
retail
properties
already
enjoy
a
reduced
tax
rate,
while
smaller
commercial
properties
do
not
next
slide,
please.
F
F
F
A
small
business
subclass
discount
to
qualifying
properties
will
be
funded
by
a
slight
increase
in
taxes
to
the
residual
properties.
Next
slide,
please,
okay!
So
let's
see
what
that
small
business
discount
would
look
like,
so
the
province
may
choose
to
match
the
city's
approved
small
business
subclass
discount
on
the
education
taxes.
F
In
this
example,
a
small
business
assessed
at
600
000
and
pays
15
000
in
municipal
and
education.
Taxes
will
receive
a
one
thousand
dollar
discount
off
their
tax
bill
and
an
additional
five
hundred
dollars.
Should
the
province
choose
to
match
the
discount
on
the
education
rate,
so
in
total
this
property
would
receive
a
fifteen
hundred
dollar
discount
at
the
10
rate.
A
F
The
small
business,
which
equates
to
five
million
dollars
will
be
funded
by
a
slight
increase
of
taxes
for
the
7
300
residual
properties.
In
this
example,
a
commercial
residual
property
assessed
at
4
million
and
pays
102
in
municipal
and
education.
Taxes
in
2021
will
see
an
increase
of
900,
which
equates
to
a
0.88
increase
or
900
next
slide.
Please,
okay.
F
In
this
example,
in
2020,
a
commercial
residual
property
assessed
at
4
million
paid
104
000
in
municipal
and
education
taxes
in
2021.
This
property
will
see
a
permanent
business
education,
tax
reduction
of
four
thousand
dollars,
as
discussed
earlier
in
this
presentation,
and
a
municipal
tax
increase
of
two
thousand
dollars,
resulting
in
a
total
tax
bill
of
a
hundred
and
two
thousand
dollars
in
2021.
F
in
2022.
This
property
will
see
the
anticipated
annual
municipal
tax
increase
of
two
thousand
dollars
and
a
potential
optional.
Small
business
subclass
increase
of
nine
hundred
dollars,
resulting
in
a
total
tax
bill
of
a
hundred
and
two
thousand
dollars.
Nine
hundred
this
means
that
over
three
years,
this
commercial
property
will
see
a
nine
hundred
dollar
tax
increase
or
zero
point.
Eight
six
percent
this
compared
to
other
properties
in
other
classes,
which
will
experience
a
6.2
percent
tax
increase
over
the
same
period.
F
F
F
In
2017,
the
province
gave
municipalities
the
option
to
reduce
or
eliminate
this
discount
through
provincial
regulation
and
in
the
fall
of
2020
through
the
provincial
budget.
Further
streamlined
the
process
by
allowing
municipalities
to
do
so
through
a
bylaw,
the
province
eliminated
the
excess
land
subclass
discount
on
the
education
rates
in
2019
in
ottawa,
there
are
430
properties
that,
with
an
excess
land
component,
this
equates
to
3.3
percent
of
the
total
commercial
and
industrial
properties
in
here
in
ottawa.
E
B
A
lot
of
the
big
businesses,
as
you
know,
recorded
significant
increases
in
profits,
walmart's,
costco
amazon.
They
did
very
well
and
they're
continued
to
do
very
well
during
the
pandemic.
It's
the
small
businesses,
mostly
family
owned,
that
are
having
a
very
very
difficult
time,
so
we're
asking
those
big
businesses,
those
large
corporate
citizens,
to
pay
a
little
more
so
that
the
small
businesses
can
pay
a
little
bit
less
and
I
think
most
people
would
would
agree.
This
is
a
reasonable
proposal.
That's
been
put
forward.
B
B
C
E
C
And
I
I
I'm
obviously
I'm
in
full
support.
Definitely
thank
you
for
that,
but
it
should
be
a
communication
just
for
that
item.
If
you
don't
mind
to
be
you
know,
so
we
can
share
it
in
our
farming
community,
because
that
is
a
good
news
and
to
be
shared
around.
My
other
question
is
so
the
large
businesses
pay
1.5
percent
of
the
residential
and
the
small
business
pay.
1.8
is
those
set
up
by
by
the
the
province
or
or
we
can
make
some
changes,
permanent
changes
to
them.
F
So
the
ratios
that
we
have
today
were
initially
established
when
we
switched
into
this
new
tax
regime
regime
that
we
are
in
in
in
2001,
and
those
ratios
are
governed.
Very
our
guess,
in
terms
of
how
we
can
change
them
is,
is
very
much
prescribed
by
provincial
regulations.
So
in
certain
cases
the
province
will
allow
those
ratios
to
shift
naturally,
depending
on
the
assessment
changes
that
are
occurring
within
the
industry
for
those
classes
and
in
most
cases
municipalities
can
only
bring
those
ratios
down,
but
we're
not
really
able
to
increase
them.
F
C
C
I
mean,
I
know,
there's
a
government.
I
know
I
understand
all
what
you're
saying,
but
the
question
to
you
is
is
there's
an
appetite.
There's
a
is,
there's
a
way
where
we
can
engage
the
province
and
make
some
changes,
because
we,
the
small
businesses,
they're
suffering
enough
and
but
to
see
in
the
end
of
the
day
they
are
paying
more
than
the
large
businesses.
F
I'll
say
the
the
commercial
class
covers
a
lot
of
different
properties,
so,
unfortunately,
some
of
the
smaller
businesses
were
lumped
in
with
some
of
the
larger
commercial
properties,
and
you
know
just
blanketly
bringing
down
the
commercial
rate
would
probably
not
be
the
best
approach.
The
tool
that
I've
actually
been
offered
here
through
the
small
business
class
discount
is
probably
a
tool.
That's
actually
a
little
bit
more
targeted
that
helps
us
identify
those
small
businesses
and
provide
relief
where
it's
needed,
while
keeping
some
of
the
larger
businesses
within
that
category.
F
C
Well,
thank
you
and,
and
my
my
final
question,
and
I
know
this
is:
maybe
we
need
a
little
bit
more
time
to
digest
it
the
impact,
so
the
impact
is
obviously
they're
behind
because
of
the
pandemic
and
because
now,
with
with
with
the
market
value,
the
way
it
is
in
in
ottawa
or
in
major
city
of
ontario,
and
the
lack
of
high
rises
or
offices
valued
in
declining.
Is
that
going
to
make
a
huge
shift
for
for
the
for
our
city
or
it's
premature
to
to
to
think
about
it?.
F
I
think
it's
it's
it's
a
little
bit
too
soon.
I
think
we're
yet
to
see
what
the
province
will
announce
in
terms
of
the
timing
of
the
reassessment
once
the
reassessment
dates
are
announced
and
once
the
new
values
come
out,
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
see
based
on
the
valuation
date
that
is
announced
by
the
province,
we'll
be
able
to
see
how
the
office
valuations
have
changed
in
comparison
to
some
of
the
other
commercial
or
industrial,
valuations
and
residential
valuations,
and
that
will
sort
of
dictate.
C
C
Wonderful.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
just
have
two
quick
questions.
My
understanding
when
the
province
announced
this
was,
is
that
they
had
also
indicated
they
may
have.
They
may
be
matching
municipal
property
tax
reductions
if
we
were
to
implement
this,
is
that
still
your
understanding
that
they
might
go
forward
with
that.
E
C
Okay,
so
what
we're
talking
about
is
not
only
the
municipality
providing
supports
for
our
businesses,
our
small
businesses,
but
also
that
it
would
be
matched
by
the
provincial
government.
So
we'd
have
a
double
whammy,
correct,
okay
and-
and
I
also
wanted
to
just
get
a
little
bit
of
an
understanding
as
to
how
you
landed
on
the
10.
So
for
my
my
reading
through
the
provincial
documents,
it
doesn't
give
a
set
number
and
that
some
of
our
our
businesses
have
asked
for
for
a
higher
percentage.
E
C
Perfect
and
I
I
think
that
the
permanency
of
this
measure
is
incredibly
important.
I
know
that
we
heard
yesterday
from
ottawa
tourism
that
our
tourism
sector
is
going
to
be
burying
the
the
brunt
of
the
financial
impacts
from
covet
19
for
many
years
to
come.
Our
businesses
are
going
to
take
many
many
years
to
get
through
this,
but
this
isn't
just
a
coveted
measure.
C
A
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
wendy
for
the
conversation
we
had
last
night.
I
was
able
to
share
that
with
the
business
community
out
here
that
staff.
You
know
the
the
firm
assurance
that
you'll
be
consulting
under
this
framework.
Once
we
received
the
optional
small
business
property
tax
subclass
today
and
reporting
back
in
q3.
That
was
really
important
because
there's
a
lot
of
questions.
A
So
thank
you
for
that,
and
you
know
councilor
suds
and
I
have
spoken
about.
You
know
the
difference
for
wins.
If
you
will
for
businesses
and
different
parts
of
the
structure
of
our
city,
because
it
is
so
diverse,
but
I
do
have
a
question
for
you.
If
the
cap
is
15,
000
square
feet
and
shopping
center
begins
at
25
000.
What
about
that
missing
middle?
What
happens
to
the
ones
that
fall
in
between
there
aren't
already
getting
the
lower
tax
rate
of
shopping
center
classification.
E
So
I
can
start
off
and
then
I'm
going
to
ask
joseph
to
speak
to
the
actual
square
footage
piece.
I
think
it's
important
this
morning
to
understand
and
to
know
that
all
businesses
across
ottawa
and
all
in
ontario
will
see
a
reduction
in
their
business
education
taxes
and
we
know
that
that
reduction
is
going
to
be
10
and
30
percent
for
some
of
the
smaller
in
terms
of
industrial
properties.
F
Thank
you
andy,
so
we,
when
we
reviewed
all
the
properties
that
were
out
there,
that
we
felt
house
small
businesses,
I
think
15
000
square
feet
is
the
number
that
sort
of
really
popped
out,
because
we
wanted
to
be
cognizant
that
we
were
not
extending
this
benefit
to
properties
that
are
not
small
businesses
right.
So
there
is
your
rate.
There
is
a
gap
between
the
15
000
and
the
25
000,
and
that
is
something
we
can
continue
to
review.
A
I
think
that
you
know
it
may
be
different
in
certain
areas
in
some
of
the
areas
and
that's
why
I'm
glad
that
we
have
the
con
consultation
period
yeah.
But
thank
you
for
that
and
I
just
have
an
another
question:
what
does
this
mean
for
the
mixed-use
properties
that
are
both
residential
and
commercial
who
operate
businesses
at
already,
a
significantly
lower
tax
rate
than
competing
businesses
in
the
area.
F
So
I'll
say
in
in
properties
that
are
mixed,
residential
and
commercial.
The
commercial
component
is
already
attracting
the
commercial
rate.
So
if
there's
commercial
business,
that's
going
on
within
a
residential
property
or
within
a
residential
building,
and
it's
kind
of
split
as
a
mixed
use
and
a
portion
of
its
commercial
and
portion
is
residential.
The
residential
component
will
attract
the
residential
rate
and
impact
will
assess
the
commercial
component
under
the
commercial
rate,
so,
ideally
a
person
across
the
street.
That's
also
renting
or
that's
in
a
building.
D
Yes,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor
and
yes,
like
my
colleagues,
have
said,
thank
you
to
the
finance
department,
ms
stephenson
and
mr
mahoney,
for
for
your
work
not
only
on
this,
but
in
in
keep
giving
us
the
information
we
need
with
respect
to
the
pandemic
and
and
dealing
with
the
the
issues
that
the
city
deals
with
just
so
that
I'm
clear
the
the
elements
of
the
report
we're
passing
today.
The
ratios
are
for
2021.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
You
are
suggesting,
first
of
all,
with
respect
to
who
is
eligible
and
employees
or
square
footage,
and-
and
you
also
suggested
revenues,
and
there
are
elements
of
the
income
tax
act
for
small
businesses
that
that
generally
work
on
revenue,
and
is
that
a
consideration
to
be
used
to
if
we
choose
to
go
to
revenues
as
as
a
delineating
factor.
E
We
are
not
recommending
that
we
follow
those
limits,
and
I
say
that
because
one
of
the
guiding
principles
in
terms
of
what
we're
putting
in
front
of
committee
and
council
today
is
that
we
need
it
to
be
or
have
this
program
needs
to
have
the
least
amount
of
administration
possible
and
so
in
working
with
our
partners
at
mpac.
What
we
have
identified
in
terms
of
defining
the
small
businesses
are
readily
available
information
that
they
have,
that
we
don't
have
to
collect
separately
through
an
application
process.
D
D
F
D
D
You
are
recommending
that
this
be
funded
by
what
you
refer
to
as
residual
properties
in
that
in
that
class
and
not
across
all
the
other
subclasses,
which
might
include
residential
classes,
which
would
mean
that
increase
being
a
little
bit
less
just
flattening
that
curve.
Can
you
explain
to
me
a
little
bit
more?
Why
that
is
your
recommendation?.
F
So,
for
you
know
for
say,
for
example,
the
excess
land
will
fall
under
the
commercial
broad
class,
and
if
we
were
to
sort
of
increase
or
decrease
the
discounts,
the
benefits
or
the,
I
would
say,
the
lack
of
benefits
would
sort
of
fall
towards
that
broader
class.
There's
no
opportunities
for
us
to
shift
it
out
now.
C
D
Through
that,
it
might
be
dictated
as
it
might
be
supported
by
other
other
programs.
It
might
be
dictated
by
the
regs
of
the
regulations
of
the
province.
Correct.
Okay,
thank
you
and
on
another
subject,
rather
than
if
I
can
my
last
question
with
respect
to
slide
four,
I
just
need
to
understand
business
education
rate
reduction.
D
How
does
that
impact
the
revenue
of
the
municipality?
I
I
thought
we
get
a
budget
or
an
amount
that
we
need
to
collect
from
various
school
boards.
It's
apportioned
between
the
classes
and
we
receive
money.
We
pass
it
along
to
the
school
boards
or
or
to
the
province.
If
there's
a
business
education
rate
adjustment.
D
D
G
Thanks,
it's
not
directly
related
to
the
report
today,
but
just
something
that
that's
come
up
recently
and,
as
you
know,
the
when
it
comes
to
paying
taxes,
many
of
our
our
residents
and
businesses
in
the
rural
area
pay
at
the
at
the
client
service.
Centers
that
are
open
and
bill
have
the
ability
to
collect.
G
G
I
see
george
nodding
his
head,
which
he's
kind
of
in
the
same
boat
right,
because
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
people
would
go
out
to
to
metcalf
to
pay
their
taxes,
and
now
they
can't
they
have
to
go
into
canada.
They
have
to
go
into
somewhere
else.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
thoughts
to
that,
that
I
didn't
mean
to
email
you.
But
here
we
are.
E
No,
it's
a
it's
a
good
question
counselor
and
I'm
actually,
I
I
think
we
could
take
it
offline
with
yourself
and
counselor
deruse.
We
have
have
put
I'm
going
to
say
a
lot
of
communication
in
place
in
terms
of
talking
about
what
those
alternate
options
are
because
it's
extremely
important
right
now,
knowing
that
you
know,
there's
limited
in-person
interaction.
G
B
G
G
B
G
B
G
Well,
if
you
put
your
letter,
if
you
put
your
your
check
in
the
mail
a
week
ahead
of
time
and
you
get
a
penalty
because
it
didn't
get
there
on
time,
I'm
not
sure
that's
fair!
No,
no!
But
you
just
said
they're
paying
by
cash
right
so
in
in
lieu
of
the
ability
to
pay
by
cash,
they
have
sent
in
a
check
right
and
they
still
got
a
late
penalty.
Even
though
the
check
was
sent
a
week
before
the
day,
they
normally
would
pay.
Okay,
well.
F
Thanks,
I
I'd
like
to
add
on
that.
We
we
will
be
communicating
as
we
send
out
the
final
tax
bill,
different
options
that
are
available
to
pay
for
folks,
especially
that
have
been
paying
at
client
service
centers
we're
going
to
be
recommending
that
they
could
actually
pay
their
tax
bills
at
their
local
bank.
F
Most
banks
will
accept
cash
payments,
check
payments
or
even
direct
withdrawals,
and
they
offer
that
service.
Those
funds
get
bundled
up
if
they
provide
their
tax
bill
and
their
roll
number.
Those
funds
will
be
sent
directly
to
the
city
and
they
will
receive
the
same
service
as
they
would
have
received
at
a
client
service
center.
So
those
will
be
options
that
we
will
be
providing
in
additional,
in
addition
to
other
options
that
other
people
may
be
interested
in,
such
as
electronic
payment
options
right.
H
H
Are
proposed
by
the
provincial
government
are
are
setting
a
new
tone,
obviously
through
the
pandemic,
but
a
really
urgent
tone
to
survive
our
main
street
and
support
our
main
streets.
I
hope
that
additional
measures
are
contemplated.
I
I
know
that
the
mayor
and
others
of
advocating
for
what
will
downtown
ottawa
look
like
for
the
federal
government
in
terms
of
office
spaces,
which
I
think
has
also
a
major
implication
for
some
of
those,
the
main
the
some
of
the
the
businesses
on
main
street,
specifically
in
the
city
core.
H
In
this
case,
my
question
is
back
to
maybe
jan
and
john's
question,
and
it
relates
to
the
the
tang
the
the
restrictions
or
capture
of
the
square
footage.
But
I
guess
I
I'm
I'm
I
I
have
no
understanding
of
you
and
I
think
eli
talked
about
that
after
too,
where
how
do
we
make
sure
that
it
goes
to
the
actual
business
right,
because
there
are
a
number
of
agreements
and
factors
where
sometimes
in
in
the
in
the
lease
it's
it's
paid
by
the
individual
business?
Sometimes
it's
paid
by
the
landlord.
H
If
you
will
what
I
know
and
what
the
second
question
to
that
is
really
relating
to
what
happens
in
a
strip
mall,
I
I
assume
that
if
in
a
bigger
strip,
mall
that
meets
the
let's
say
above
the
25
000-
and
I
don't
know-
I'm
thinking
izu
plaza
out
of
you
know
just
to
give
you
a
location
in
mind
where
there
are
a
number
of
small
ones.
But
the
collective
is
way
above
the
threshold
that
you're
describing.
F
F
So
this
approach,
just
to
you
know
in
terms
of
the
pre
previous
question
that
was
asked,
will
actually
allow
properties
to
receive
this
discount
automatically.
There
is
no
application
required,
so
there's
no
opportunity
to
forget
or
miss
a
deadline,
and
so
on
so
forth.
So
it
is
a
little
bit
more
efficient
in
that
way
and
if,
if
property
owners
are
not
passing
on
that
discount,
then
we
will
have
the
power
to
revoke
it
and
we're
going
to
be
working.
H
They
they'll
hear
the
complaint
if
the,
if
there's
a
particular
challenge
with
payment
or
if
it's
it's
a
high
payment,
but
the
opposite
is
not
is
not
true
necessarily,
so
I
wonder
if
we
could
be
proactive
and
work
with
our
bias
to
inform
them
within
their
district
what
the
saving
has
been
for
the
the
small
business
community.
I
think
that
that
would
be
a
nice
tool
to
have.
H
E
Yeah
we'll
bring
a
report
forward
that
will
summarize
the
consultation
that
we've
done
over
the
summer
and
I'm
gonna
say
really
refining
the
framework
that
we're
putting
in
place
and
then
what
you're
going
to
see
is
once
that's
approved.
It
would
carry
forward
to
our
next
tax
policy
report
for
2022.
H
My
final
sort
of
comment
on
small
businesses
and
it's
not
necessarily
related
to
the
city,
it's
more
to
different
tools
that
the
province
and
the
feds
have.
What
I
hear
from
businesses
often
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
short-term
loans
that
are
provided,
but
businesses
are
looking
for
a
long-term
loan
where
they
could
absorb
the
period
the
pandemic
period
and
repay
it
when
everything
is
sort
of
back
to
normal
over
a
number
of
years.
H
So
I
know
wendy,
that's
not
in
your
in
our
municipal
jurisdiction,
but
as
the
federal
and
provincial
programs
have
come
into
play,
that's
the
the
missing
link
that
I'm
sure,
eli
and
others
are
hearing
about
is
just
how
do
you
absorb
the
period
and
not
incur
fixed
costs?
That
are,
you
know
that
are
that
are
continuing
to
come
in,
and
how
do
you
absorb
that
over
over
time?
So,
just
just
for
the
record
and
again
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
for
for
the
work
on
this.
E
Counselor
was
introduced
in
the
framework
when
they
tabled
this
last
fall,
so
my
assumption
is
that
it
will
be
a
valid
option
and
the
way
they
explained
it
is
once
the
municipality
makes
a
decision
to
adopt
this
subclass.
We
will
then
make
application
to
them,
and
what
I
can
tell
you
is
based
on
my
experience
from
other
things.
They
have
never
declined
an
application,
so
I
think
they
want
to
be
a
very
willing
participant,
and
I
say
that
because
they've
actually
introduced
the
ability
for
us
to
put
the
small
business
subclass
in
place.
A
Okay,
excellent,
that's
great
to
hear,
and
also
I
wanted
to
share
my
thanks
wendy
to
yourself
and
also
to
joseph.
You
humored
me
with
a
lot
of
questions
over
the
last
month
and
getting
into
the
weeds
a
bit
about
this,
specifically
from
y
ward,
which
I
really
appreciate.
Those
conversations
were
really
helpful
in
understanding
what
this
actually
looks
like,
but
also
the
commitment
to
consultation
moving
forward.
I
would
echo
counselor
flurry's
comments.
A
I
I
don't
think
the
results
will
be
equal
across
the
city
in
our
different
bia
districts,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
those
conversations
happen
and
that
transparency
is
there
so
that
everyone
knows
what
this
is
going
to
look
like
at
the
end
of
the
day,
but
a
lot
of
great
work,
I
know,
has
gone
into
this,
and
and
my
thanks
to
both
of
you.
Thank
you.
I
Thank
you
mayor,
so,
just
picking
up
on
the
threat,
I
think
you've
heard
from
some
of
the
other
counselors
there
is
an
assertion.
That's
been
made
to
me
at
least
that
some
businesses
that
we
want
to
capture
may
not
be
captured
because
the
overall
square
footage
of
buildings
that
are
you
know
fairly
large,
have
not
been
turned
into
condos
for
the
individual
tenants
who
are
in
the
building.
So
on
the
traditional
main
street
on
richmond
road.
F
I
will
say
that
we
are
including
properties
such
as
industrial
malls
and
industrial
malls
would
be
owned
by
a
specific
owner
and
but
would
house
multiple
small
businesses.
So
we've
looked
at
all
these
properties
codes
at
empakka
signs
and
the
goal
of
our
review
was
to
generally
try
and
understand,
based
on
those
property
use
types
which
properties
are
either
lend
themselves
to
the
definition
of
a
small
business
or
we
believe
actually
house
small
businesses.
F
So
an
industrial
mall,
for
example,
is
a
very
large
property
and
could
house
you
know
several
tens
of
businesses
right
and
therefore
we're,
including
that
industrial
mall
in
sort
of
a
blanket
fashion.
Even
though
it's
a
you
know,
large
property,
it
may
exceed
the
15
000
square
feet
threshold,
but
we
know
for
a
fact
that
all
the
people
that
are
actually
in
that
industrial
mall
are
actually
small
businesses.
F
So
on
the
presentation
that
we
provided,
the
first
list
actually
is
businesses
that
are
sort
of
being
included
without
any
square
foot
threshold
caps.
But
then
the
second
list,
which
is
a
much
shorter
list,
is
really
a
list
of
properties
that
we
think
need
our
cap.
In
order
to
make
sure
that
these
benefits
are
not
being
passed
on
to
the
wrong
people,
okay,.
I
F
I
Follow-Up
question:
with
respect
to
the
tax
deferrals
and
the
enforcement
mechanisms
that
we
have
did
we
receive
any
complaints?
I
know
the
mayor
was
very
strong.
When
we
first
introduced
the
deferrals
in
letting
landlords
know,
our
expectation
was
that
those
would
be
passed
on.
Did
we
end
up
having
to
investigate
any
complaints
that
the
deferrals
were
not
passed
on
to
tenants.
F
I
can
say
we
did
not
receive
any
complaints
for
more
complaints
for
us
to
investigate.
In
fact,
what
we
heard
is,
I
think
the
the
landlords
were
pretty
good
in
terms
of
being
able
to
give
their
tenants
a
bit
of
a
break.
There
were
some
complaints,
you
know
on
informal
complaints,
but
the
landlords
quickly
sort
of
responded
to
that
and
fix
the
situation.
I
A
F
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
sometimes
there's
some
small
change
like,
for
example,
there's
chains
that
are
within
ottawa,
but
there's
a
number
of
them.
So
are
they
all
treated
individually?
For
I
don't
want
to
give
any
examples,
but,
let's
just
say
a
pizza
place
is
in
several
locations,
but
it's
the
same
owner.
How
is
that
treated.
F
It'll
all
be
treated
based
on
how
or
where
they're
located
I'll
give
you
a
really
good
example.
You
may
have
a
pizza
store,
that's
located
in
a
small
strip
mall
that
may
receive
a
small
business
discount,
but
you
may
have
the
same
pizza
store,
perhaps
owned
by
the
same
owner
inside
a
mall
and
the
malls
are
not
going
to
be
receiving
the
small
business
discount.
However,
they
are
going
to
sort
of
they
still
sort
of
attract
that
retail
rate
and
are
already
sort
of
paying
that
lower
rate
that
we
talked
about
earlier.
F
So
this
approach
sort
of
talks
about
is
property
driven,
which
is
how
property
taxes
are
generally
assessed,
they're
sort
of
driven
towards
the
property
itself
and
therefore
we're
not
sort
of
driving
it
towards
the
owner.
Because
then
there
would
be
a
bit
of
a
disconnect
or
the
business
type
we're
driving
it
towards
a
property
so
that
it
can
dovetail
well
with
the
property
taxation
regime
that
we're
in.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Anyone
else
wish
to
speak.
I
don't
see
anyone
else
on
the
with
their
hand,
up
just
a
question
wendy
a
little
off
topic
in
terms
of,
in
my
case,
I
get
a
water
bill,
even
though
I'm
it's
deducted
out
of
my
bank
account.
My
understanding
is,
I
think,
for
some
provincial
law
that
requires
you
to
send
out
a
notice
which
sort
of
defeats
the
purpose
of
trying
to
save
the
money.
B
If
I'm,
you
know
getting
it
deducted
by
my
bank
account,
could
we
not
do
maybe
once
or
twice
a
year
statement
as
opposed
to
every?
I
don't
know
when
the
water
bill
comes?
Is
it
every
month
or
every
quarter?
I
can't
recall
it
just
seems
like
a
waste.
You
know
the
whole
purpose
of
me.
You
know
going
to
online
to
allow
them
to
take
it
out
of
my
bank.
Account
is
so
that
we
save
the
paper
and
save
the
dollar
a
stamp.
E
Really
great
question,
mr
mayor:
first
of
all,
we
we
are
legislated
in
terms
of
our
automated
withdrawals
through
the
canadian
payment
association,
so
we
are
required
to
send
a
notification,
but
what
I
would
emphasize
here
is
we
have
an
online
service
where
you
can
sign
up
to
get
an
ebill
and
we
are
promoting
that
significantly
across
the
city.
So
we
don't
need
to
print
a
bill
and
send
it
to
you.
We
can
simply
deliver
it
electronically.