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Finance and Economic Development Committee meeting – March 5, 2019 – Audio Stream
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For
those
who
would
like
to
speak
to
any
item,
including
the
budget
I
think
you
can
sign
up
just
the
the
door
over
there.
Declaration
of
interests
declared
a
CEO
dented
ass
confirmation.
Two
minutes
that
opción
the
process
ville
bow
for
the
12th
of
february
20
19
aries,
we're
gonna,
go
to
the
items
that
have
public
delegations
first,
so
we'll
come
back
to
confederation
line
and
go
through
the
consent
agenda,
corporate
services,
information
technology
subcommittee
terms
of
reference
carried.
A
A
A
B
Like
it
down
mr.
mayor
sure,
where
is
the
association
of
municipalities
of
Ontario
amyl
in
an
August
2018
statement,
said
that
the
principle
joint
and
several
liability
is
costing
municipalities
and
taxpayers
dearly
in
the
form
of
rising
insurance,
premium,
service
reductions
and
fewer
choices,
and
whereas
the
significant
negative
consequences
arising
from
the
principle
of
joint
and
several
liability,
also
referred
to
as
the
1%
rule,
are
being
felt
by
the
city
of
ottawa
in
the
same
manner
as
all
of
the
other
ontario
municipalities
and
whereas
ottawa
city
council.
B
By
way
of
a
resolution
passed
on
august,
25th
2010
has
previously
endorsed
a
Moe's
efforts
to
seek
joint
and
several
liability
reform
in
Ontario
through
changes
to
the
provincial
negligence
Act.
And
whereas
the
Premier
of
Ontario
recently
announced
that
his
government
is
launching
consultations
on
reforming
joint
and
several
liability
in
the
province.
And
whereas
both
emo
and
the
association
of
municipal
managers,
clerks
and
treasurer's
have
stated
that
reforming
the
1%
rule
and
I
quote:
could
save
the
municipal
sector
27
million
dollars
in
insurance
cost
and
quote.
B
That
would
provide
fair
compensation
to
seriously
injured
persons,
while
also
protecting
municipal
taxpayers
from
having
to
bear
a
disproportionate
share
of
the
responsibility
for
providing
that
compensation
and
finally,
be
therefore
resolved
that
the
city,
clerk
and
solicitor
be
recta
to
provide
fedko
with
a
future
update
on
the
Ontario
government's
consultation
process.
Once
we
know
more
about
it,
Thank
You,
mr.
man,
okay,.
A
Next
is
planning
infrastructure
and
economic
development
Silvester
plenty,
few
guys
sold
in
the
length
with
structure
to
develop
my
Kaname
item,
seven
brownfields
grant
program
application
three
hundred
moody
Drive.
We
have
one
speaker,
the
the
proponent
who,
unless
people
want
to
hear
from
them,
is
there
consensus
to
move
forward
with
the
brownfields
grant
they've
carried
so
mr.
Kerr
Patrick,
you
don't
need
to
speak,
I
assume,
okay,
thank
you
all
right!
So
we'll
go
back
now
to
the
budget
and
we
have
a
road
map
from
the
vice
chair.
Mr.
councillor
Tierney,
please.
C
A
D
As
you
mentioned,
so
we
have
a
very
short
presentation.
You
then
we'll
have
the
delegations
questions
to
staff
you'll
go
through
the
basically
the
review
of
the
operating
and
capital
budgets
and
emotions
to
amend,
and
then
the
recommend
the
budget
to
Council,
at
which
time
I
guess
we're
following
the
roadmap.
So
the
areas
review
review
in
this
budget
are
very
broad.
You
have
all
of
your
governance,
which
includes
the
mayor
and
city
councillors,
offices,
it's
the
city,
manager's
office
and
the
city
clerk
and
solicitor.
You
have
a
number
of
Sheridan
administrative
services.
D
Here
you
have
service
innovation.
Performance
development
is
here
most
of
Corporate
Services,
except
for
fleet.
You
also
have
the
office
of
the
general
manager
of
planning,
infrastructure
and
economic
development.
As
part
of
that,
you
also
have
the
rail
construction
program.
You
have
the
offices
for
both
the
old
train
construction
and
the
planning
are
part
of
this
budget,
and
then
you
have
non
departmental.
Non-Departmental
is
basically
all
the
expenditures
and
revenues
that
are
not
specifically
related
to
one
particular
service.
So
you
have
all
of
your
contribution
to
capital.
D
In
here
you
have
a
number
of
common
or
citywide
expenditures
such
as
HR
provision,
etc.
So,
overall,
this
is
a
bit
of
a
this
is
a
high-level
snapshot,
but
it's
sort
of
distorted
by
the
fact
that
you
have
all
the
tax
revenue
in
these
accounts
as
well.
In
non-departmental,
you
bring
in
all
all
the
taxation
for
across
the
entire
city
for
all
of
the
levies.
D
So
under
the
governance,
as
I
mentioned
you,
your
offices,
the
mayor's
city
managers,
city,
clerk
and
solicitor,
is
about
48
million
dollars
in
expenditures,
some
recoveries
and
allocations
to
other
departments
and
then
small
amount
of
revenue
coming
in.
So
the
net
requirement
is
42
million,
which
is
1.3
million
higher
than
last
year.
The
shared
administrative
services
total
roughly
125
million
dollars.
D
There
is
recovery,
though,
of
18
million,
where
we
charge
out
to
other
departments
for
the
services
they
receive,
and
then
we
have
revenue
primarily
in
the
finance
area
of
8.4
million
dollars,
leaving
a
net
of
98
million,
a
3.3
million
dollar
increase
overall,
the
rail
construction
office.
It's
eight
point,
six
million
dollars,
but
you
see
it's
completely
recovered
its
charged
to
the
capital
project.
So
there
is
no
net
impact
on
this
particular
line
item
non-departmental.
You
have
expenditures
of
398
million,
primarily
the
contribution
to
capital.
You
do
have
some
recoveries
from
other
areas.
D
The
debt
is
in
there
as
well,
so
we
have
Recovery's
from
development
charges,
etc
and
then
there's
revenue
and
that's
the
big
one.
This
is
where
we
receive
all
the
provincial
gas
taxes
and
various
other
sources
of
revenue
to
leave
you
with
a
net
contribution
of
forty
five
million
dollars,
which
is
an
increase
of
1.6
million
dollars,
more
contribution
towards
the
operating
budget
than
in
the
previous
year's
assessment
growth.
D
Twenty
three
point:
seven
million-
that
is
the
one
point:
five
percent
for
the
entire
city
of
Ottawa
that
we
had
forecast
in
the
as
part
of
the
budget
and
then
the
property
taxation
of
an
increase
of
forty
nine
point,
six
million,
which
is
includes
the
police.
It
includes
the
transit
levy,
the
citywide
levy,
that's
all
included
in
there.
So
then
the
net
result
is
that
the
entire
budget
that
you're
looking
at
is
not
a
is
a
seventy
million
dollars
to
the
good.
In
other
words,
it's
contributing.
D
Seventy
million
dollars
towards
all
the
other
services
across
the
city,
so
the
highlights
of
the
change,
so
you
have
in
this
budget,
as
you
have
in
every
other
budget,
you
have
adjustments
for
potential
2019,
cost-of-living
increments
and
benefit
adjustments.
There
is
also
the
increase
to
capital
contribution
built
into
this
budget.
D
The
9.8
million
dollars,
which
is
to
keep
our
assets
in
a
good
state
of
repair,
there's
also
an
inflationary
adjustment
to
the
contribution
to
capital,
which
we
do
every
year
to
make
certain
that
you're
not
losing
ground
because
of
the
fact
that
construction
costs
continue
to
increase.
There
is
the
tax
increase,
as
I
mentioned,
for
the
city
police
transit.
There
is
the
elimination
of
the
vacancy
rebate
program.
Last
year,
council
agreed
that
we
would
phase
that
program
out.
So
it
is,
it
is
ended
now.
D
So
that's
six
point:
nine
million
dollars
that's
being
added
back
for
other
purposes.
Within
the
budget.
There
is
a
contribution
to
the
tax
Stabilization
Reserve
and
there
is
also
contribution
from
the
tax
Stabilization
Reserve
built
into
this
budget,
and
then
the
rail
construction
office.
The
operating
costs
reflect
our
presumed
revenue
service
availability
of
March
31st.
If
that
does
not
happen,
we
will
amend
the
budget
as
we
did
last
year
when
we
didn't
achieve
the
the
main
delivery
date.
D
D
Also
have
some
growth.
There
is
again
we
increase
the
contribution
to
capital
to
reflect
the
fact
that
the
number
the
value
of
the
assets
you
have
every
year
increases.
So
not
only
do
you
have
to
catch
up
with
the
gap,
you
also
have
to
use
inflation
at
inflation.
You
also
have
to
add
on
more
to
account
for
more
assets.
D
There
is
additional
processing
support
associated
with
the
activation
of
the
new
red-light
cameras,
that's
been
added
in
and
then
there
is
additional
tax
revenue
related
to
assessment
growth
within
the
city,
the
capital
budget,
very
small
in
this
area.
This
year,
the
buildings
for
renewal
of
assets,
the
general
government
there's
six
million
dollars
for
repair
and
upkeep
of
the
various
administrative
buildings
and
then
there's
a
couple
of
service
enhancements.
D
We
always
have
accessibility
for
the
general
government
offices
725,000,
and
then
we
have
a
general
account
for
accommodation,
fit
ups
and
renovations
as
we
move
staff
around
and
need
to
change
the
area
that
they
work
in.
We
do
half
a
million
dollars
typically
every
year,
and
that
is
the
end
of
the
presentation.
Mr.
mayor,
okay,.
A
E
E
Great,
so
thank
you
for
having
us
here
today.
So
for
those
of
you
not
familiar
with
the
Canadian
Federation
of
Independent
Business,
we
represent
independent
and
small
medium-sized
businesses
across
Canada.
We
have
over
a
hundred
and
ten
thousand
members
across
the
country
with
over
two
thousand
members
in
the
Ottawa
area,
we're
non
partisan,
not-for-profit
organization,
and
we
deal
with
governments
at
all
three
levels.
E
So,
as
you
can
see
on
slide
three,
when
we
ask
business
owners
what
would
help
their
business
succeed,
they
point
to
reducing
property
taxes
and
the
regulatory
burden
of
some
of
the
top
measures.
Business
owners
also
see
the
upkeep
of
municipal
infrastructure
as
important
than
their
success.
So,
in
this
presentation,
I
will
focus
my
comments
on
three
areas,
so
taxation,
red
tape
and
construction
mitigation.
On
slide.
E
This
gap
means
that
the
plan
increases
to
property
taxes
will
hit
small
businesses
harder,
so
57%
say
that
property
taxes
have
made
it
harder
to
make
investments
in
their
business,
such
as
hiring
new
employees
and
60%
say
that
they
are
more
difficult
to
absorb
than
other
types
of
taxes
as
their
profit
insensitive.
This
means
that
they
must
pay
them.
E
Whether
or
not
their
business
makes
any
money
that
year
on
slide
five,
you
will
see
that
almost
70%
of
businesses
in
Ottawa
don't
think
that
the
city
is
doing
a
very
good
job
of
keeping
the
regulatory
burden.
Low.
Small
businesses
must
deal
with
red
tape
from
all
three
levels
of
government,
and
these
can
add
significant
costs
time
and
stress
when
drafting
policies,
regulations
or
bylaws.
It's
important
for
municipal
policymakers
to
consider
their
own
path
on
small
businesses
on
slide
six,
we
asked
her
members
about
the
impacts
of
construction
on
their
business.
E
The
top
concerns
businesses
expressed
when
it
comes
to
construction
are
related
to
their
cash
flow,
mainly
their
ability
to
keep
customers
coming
through
their
doors,
as
the
August
Street
project
is
now
underway.
Many
of
our
members
located
along
the
street
do
remain
optimistic
about
the
outcomes
of
the
project,
but
are
nevertheless
concerned
about
what
the
impacts
on
their
business
will
be.
While
the
project
is
ongoing,
so
on
slide,
7
&
8,
you
will
find
our
key
recommendations.
E
E
Secondly,
we
would
like
to
see
the
city
make
a
commitment
towards
regulatory
modernization
to
help
small
business
owners
save
both
money
and
time.
By
implementing
some
of
the
measures
we
have
listed
below,
such
as
a
red
tape
charter,
an
advisory
panel
and
improving
services
to
small
businesses
from
frontline
departments.
E
Providing
better
online
services
is
also
essential
to
reducing
the
red
tape
burden
for
small
businesses,
as
many
of
them
will
look
online
for
information.
However,
the
City
of
Ottawa
website
is
difficult
to
navigate
and
many
times.
Business
owners
are
forced
to
call
3-1-1
to
find
information
on
bylaws
and
permits.
E
Lastly,
on
slide
8,
we
recommend
that
the
city
implement
a
comprehensive
construction
mitigation
strategy
that
allows
staff
to
carry
forward
the
best
practices
and
lessons
learned
from
project
to
project,
for
example.
Taking
any
lessons
the
city
may
have
learned
from
Bank,
Street
or
Main
Street
renewals
and
using
the
towards
future
projects.
E
It's
also
important
that
the
city
ensures
that
communications
are
tailored
to
small
business
owners
and
use
simple
language.
We've
heard
from
business
owners
that
their
definition
doesn't
necessarily
always
match
up
with
the
cities.
So,
for
example,
if
there's
utilities
work
going
on
for
a
small
business
owner,
that's
defined
as
construction.
However,
the
city
doesn't
define
utility
work
as
construction,
but
if
there's
the
world
closed
and
people
in
hard
hats
doing
construction
work
for
them,
it
is
construction
and
finally,
providing
compensation
is
about
recognizing
that
construction
has
an
impact
on
a
business's
cash
flow.
E
F
Good
to
see
you
again,
miss
Hayes
always
enjoy
hearing
the
perspective.
One
of
the
questions
we
get
most
frequently
as
counselors
in
ottawa's,
with
respect
to
the
relatively
higher
residential
tax
rate
compared
to
jurisdictions
like,
for
example,
Toronto
Ottawa
residents,
pay
more
on
the
value
of
their
home
than
Toronto
residents
do
on
a
mill
rate
basis,
I
think
it's
critical
that
we
grow
our
commercial
sector
so
that
the
residential
tax
base
in
Ottawa
has
to
bear
less
of
the
burden
of
paying
for
the
services
that
we
need.
F
We
can't
just
always
raise
taxes
in
order
to
raise
the
income
we
need.
We
have
to
grow
the
pie
and
I
think
that
the
commercial
sector
needs
to
contribute
more
to
the
overall
base.
If
we
were
to
get
regulation
right,
if
we
were
to
reduce
the
regulatory
drag,
if
we
got
the
tax
rates
right
for
the
commercial
sector
has
CFIB
done
any
analysis
in
terms
of
how
we
could
shift
the
residential
and
commercial
comparative
tax
burdens.
Have
you
done
that
analysis?
I.
E
C
E
F
Be
interested
in
taking
a
look
at
that.
The
the
assertion
is
not
that
commercial
tax
rates
should
go
up
to
contribute
more,
but
that
we
need
a
bigger
commercial
base
sitting
in
more
valuable
real
estates.
With
the
assessment
value
on
those
properties
is
higher
so
that
we
can
achieve
something
closer
to
Toronto's
comparative
base.
Yeah
I'd
like
to
get
the
and
if
regulatory
drag
is
a
key
issue.
Yeah.
E
E
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
in
not
only
expanding
the
base,
but
also
encouraging
more
businesses
to
invest
in
Ottawa
if
they
see
Ottawa's
some
somewhere.
That's
small
business
friendly
or
just
business
friendly
in
general
you're,
going
to
enlarge
your
commercial
base
just
by
having
more
businesses
willing
to
invest
exactly.
E
Many
municipalities
are
doing
really
great
work
again.
The
city
of
Halifax
has
done
some
great
work
on
this
and
they've
done.
A
lot
of
stakeholder
outreach
and
they've
done
a
lot
of
work
that
you
even
had
a
red
tape,
charter
and
I've
got
a
copy
along
if
any
of
the
councillors
are
interested,
but
they've
expressed
to
us
that
they
want
to
help
other
municipalities
along
this
path
to
reducing
regulatory
burden,
so
their
staff,
some
other
councillors,
are
willing
to
reach
out
to
any
of
the
city
councillors
here
and
any
of
the
staff
yep.
E
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Emily
for
your
presentation
as
a
councillor
who
have
been
representing
the
mayor
on
Ottawa
Council
of
BIA
for
a
number
of
years,
and
we
made
a
conscious
decision
with
our
colleague
and
the
BIA
to
inform
them
one
utility
or
when
construction
is
going
to
take
place
in
their
community.
We
make
sure
they
have
a
handle
on
report
of
what
come
and
not
just
what
is
coming
this
what's
upcoming
and
they
are.
What
are
you
talking
about
other?
G
E
C
E
What
we've
heard
from
business
owners
and
when
we've
gone
to
work
door-to-door
to
talk
to
them
is
not
just
you
know
communicating
while
ahead,
but
sometimes
the
definitions
that
the
city
uses
around
construction
and
what
it
is
doesn't
necessarily
jive
with
what
their
definitions
are,
and
some
of
the
language
used
in
communications
might
be
a
little
overly
complex,
not
necessarily
tailored
to
what
their
specific
needs
are.
Often,
communications
are
aimed
at
residents
rather
than
the
small
businesses
in
that
community
that
are
affected.
So
it's
important
to
really
tailor
those
communications
as
well.
Well,.
G
I
might
agree
with
you
some
there,
but
I
mean
most
of
the
businesses
if
they
are
in
a
catchment
area
of
PA
aid.
The
odd
is
the
odd
in
their
be
is,
and
they
are
working
with
the
BIA
or
if
it's
not
part,
the
BA
in
like
some
in
my
community.
They
belong
to
to
the
Ottawa
Board
of
Trade
and
and
they're
good
communicator
that
involve
in
a
decision.
We
share
with
them
information
at
time
and
I'm
interested
when
we
talk
about
red
tape
so
has
mr.
G
Willis
and
I
wishes
came
from
a
conference
in
Toronto
where
the
provincial
government,
they
are
current
direct
tape.
Have
you
presented
them?
Have
you
give
them
some
idea,
because
we
also,
we
want
to
cut
the
red
tape,
but
yet,
if
anything,
any
application
say
we
want
more
oversight
and
want
more
accountability,
and
more
so
I
need
to
understand.
What's
your
position
on
this?
What's
a
red
tape
to
you
so.
E
Red
tape
is
unnecessary
regulatory
burden.
So
our
members
understand
the
need
to
protect
health
and
safety,
but
it's
the
things
that
go
above
and
beyond
so
even
things
like
bad
customer
service
or
things
like
having
to
spend
hours
and
hours
searching
for
a
bylaw
on
a
website
or
trying
to
peruse
the
the
bylaw
I'm,
not
understanding
how
it
applies
to
your
business.
All
these
things
are
red
tape
and
we've
worked
very
closely.
Are
we
have
colleagues
in
Toronto?
E
A
Counselor
any
other
questions
to
the
delegation
No.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation
is
Erin
Andrews
here
from
healthy
transportation,
okay,
okay!
So
we're
now
into
questions
of
staff
before
we
there
and
then
we'll
go
on
to
the
road
map
that
councillor
a
Tierney
has
moved
any
questions
to
staff
all
right.
John
sturly,
/.
F
G
Mr.
mayor,
first
of
all,
the
the
additional
funding
to
invest
Otto
of
half
a
million
is
only
$300,000
towards
the
talent
attraction
file.
200,000
of
it
is
going
to
the
global
expansion
activities
component
of
invest,
ottawa's
activities,
invest
Ottawa
is
developing
a
talent
strategy
in
cooperation
with
the
major
institutions
in
the
city
and
major
players.
They
are
focused
on
it's
a
multi-year
program
for
focused
on
international
recruitment,
trying
to
bring
people
expats
with
specialized
skills.
So
excuse
me,
I
mean
people
specialized
skills
to
back
to
Ottawa.
G
They
are
focusing
on
expat
communities
with
lots
of
concentrations
of
people
who
would
have
lived
an
auto
at
one
point
because
out
there,
the
chances
of
getting
them
back
or
higher
and
because
it
is
an
international
focus.
That's
why
the
funding
is
in
the
scale
that
it's
in
the
focuses
will
be
in
target
global
markets
in
Europe,
Asia
Pacific
in
the
Americas,
and
this
is
all
about
bringing
top
talent
people
back
to
Ottawa
to
work
in
it.
G
F
G
G
Again,
it's
it's
certainly
an
area,
that's
one
of
the
what
you
hear
consistently
from
the
tech
sector,
particularly
inaudible,
but
they're,
not
the
only
sector.
By
the
way,
there
are
other
sectors
in
in
Ottawa
that
also
suffer
from
talent
problems,
for
example,
if
you
want
to
be
a
skilled
Mason
and
what's
actually
hard
to
hire
someone
with
skill
masonry
project,
but
it
the
factors
of
success
are
the
number
of
people.
G
They
will
help
attract
to
Ottawa
based
companies,
but
it
will
also
be
the
deployment
of
a
sales
program
for
any
Ottawa
company
to
attract
talent
to
Ottawa
and
I.
Think
that
the
presence
of
that,
which
is
something
that
doesn't
really
exist
today
in
itself,
is
a
deliverable
that
will
be
really
important
to
us.
Okay,.
F
F
Think
it's,
it
is
good
to
focus
on
talent,
attraction
and
retention.
Part
of
the
the
big
key
I
think
is
to
actually
make
this
a
city
in
which
people
want
to
live,
work
and
play,
but
reaching
out
to
those
knowledge,
workers
and
letting
them
know
about
the
advantages
that
Ottawa
has
is
also
critical,
so
I'll
be
interested
to
watch
that
program
as
it
moves
forward.
If
you
do
have
some
further
information
about
what
our
targets
and
goals
are
I'd
very
much
appreciate
receiving
that
Thank
You
mayor
great.
A
I
think
in
my
capacity
as
co-chair
of
invest,
Ottawa
I
can
also
talk
about
the
post-secondary
institutions.
This
is
one
of
their
big
priorities
for
the
next
five
years
as
well
is
attracting
students
retaining
the
talent
both
from
an
academic
point
of
view
and
as
ands
people
working
in
the
economy
and
I
know
I.
Think
Metsu
Cannavale
might
have
sent
some
information
on
along
those
lines,
but
I'll
get
them
to
resend
it
to
you,
Thank
You,
councillor
Dean's,
please.
H
Thank
you
and
mr.
mayor.
My
first
question
is
about
the
motion
that
councillor
tyranny
is
putting
on
your
behalf
about
the
reduction
in
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
budget
and
the
money
going
into
toward
two
million
dollars
going
toward
housing
and
then
395,000
going
to
culture
and
recreation,
Community
Grants.
So
two
questions
on
that,
first
being
who
will
determine
which
organisations
receive
the
cultural
and
recreational
community
advance
and
what
will
the
criteria
be
that
they
use?
And
then
the
other
question
is
what
happened
to
that
other
$5,000.
A
D
A
D
H
Maybe
I
can
ask
tomorrow
during
the
budget,
but
I
would
just
hope
that
crime
prevention
Ottawa
would
be
considered
for
some
of
those
funds,
since
they
are
dealing
specifically
with
you
that
at-risk.
My
next
question
is
on
the
okay
train
construction
on
page
74,
there's
about
a
million
half
dollar
reduction
in
the
budget
that
is
being
attributed
to
a
change
in
staffing
level
as
a
result
of
completed
projects
and
revenue,
service
availability
of
the
Confed
stage,
one
LRT
will
in
all
likelihood
continue
to
be
delayed
for
a
number
of
months.
H
I
H
One
small
point:
I
wanted
to
make
on
change
of
surname
fees,
because
the
resident
raised
this
with
me
during
a
prior
budget
process.
A
number
of
years
ago,
council
moved
to
reduce
costs
at
the
city
by
implementing
user
fees
for
services
which
are
not
provided
to
all.
This
was
done
to
ensure
that
those
who
do
not
use
a
service
do
not
pay
increase
rates
to
offset
the
cost
of
the
service.
However,
in
some
cases
these
fees
disproportionately
affect
women,
in
particular
the
change
of
name
user
fee.
H
D
Answer
that
counsellor
and
that's
a
very
good
point,
what
we're
doing
in
2019
is
we're
actually
having
a
complete
review
of
those
fees
in
finance.
That's
the
one
you're
referring
to,
and
we
will
look
at
those
through
the
the
gender
lens
to
see
if
they
are
impacting
women
more
than
men.
That
would
be
coming
back
to
you
later
in
2019,
okay,.
H
Thank
you
for
that
and
my
final
question
mr.
mayor
is
pertaining
to
your
office
budget.
Page
33
contains
the
budget
for
the
offices
of
counsel
and
the
mayor,
and
my
question
with
regards
to
me
is
with
regards
to
the
mayor's
office
budget.
I
was
actually
quite
surprised
to
see
that,
according
to
the
2019
budget
documents,
the
mayor's
office
budget
for
2018
was
nine
hundred
and
twenty
nine
thousand
dollars
I
have
with
me
a
copy
of
the
2018
budget
and
council
only
actually
approved
eight
hundred
and
forty
nine
thousand
dollars.
D
D
D
H
G
D
D
Some
are
lower
where
they've
done
you'll
see
where
they're
zero,
it's
actual
cost
in
a
lot
of
cases,
so
we
don't
actually
put
a
percentage
where
they
have
looked
as
well
at
if
you've
had
an
increase,
for
example,
in
your
additions
to
the
tax
roll,
we
increase
that
by
a
dollar
when
we
went
to
2018
just
to
have
a
round
number,
the
costs
probably
have
not
increased
sufficiently
to
actually
increase
it
even
further.
But
as
I
mentioned,
when
councilor
Dean's
asked
these,
all
the
costs
in
the
finance
area
are
being
reviewed.
D
Now,
with
the
implementation
of
the
of
our
automated
meter
reading
and
the
fact
we're
not
sending
out
people
to
read,
accounts
anymore,
we
are
going
to
be
revising
all
of
these
and
we'll
look
at
these
again.
But
the
reasons
why
would
be
it
wasn't
justified
by
the
cost
or
there's
a
market
comparison
or
we're
charging
actual
cost.
G
D
This
is
one
of
the.
Unfortunately,
you
only
have
one
line
on
this
sheet,
but
this
is
a
combination
of
probably
more
than
a
dozen
different
numbers
added
together.
So
we
make
a
contribution
to
the
tax
Stabilization
reserve
of
approximately
I
think
about
5.4
million
and
then
but
then
we're
taking
contributions
from
it
within
the
budget
as
well.
So
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
accounts
that
are
going
to
receive
money
from
the
tax
Stabilization
Reserve.
So
you
have
to
read
that
line
actually
in
our.
If
you
go
to.
D
On
page
112,
you'll
see
that
we're
actually
taking
a
contribution.
It
says
here
of
eleven
point
two,
but
there's
other
money's
built
within
the
budget,
we're
taking
actually
contribution
of
about
16
million
from
the
tax
Stabilization
Reserve
in
2019
to
fund
a
variety
of
things.
So
the
net
effect
is
that
the
reserve
is
actually
coming
down
by
approximately
11
million
dollars,
leaving.
D
G
L
Very
much
mr.
mayor,
in
one
of
the
documents
counsels
received
about
the
long
range
financial
plan,
there
was
a
description
in
there
about
a
higher
than
expected
federal
gas
tax
revenue.
Can
you
just
tell
me
where
you
know
why
it
was
unexpected
that
we
received
more
federal
gas
tax
revenue,
then
than
we
anticipated.
D
There's
a
couple
of
reasons:
the
first
off
is
that
the
federal
gas
tax
revenue
actually
flows
to
a
moe
first
and
they
keep
it,
and
then
they
distribute
it
occasionally
they
will
have
because
they
put
it
in
an
interest-bearing
account.
They
will
have
some
interests
that
they'll
distribute
among
all
the
users.
The
second
one
would
be
when
they
do
their
calculation.
If
there's
a
change
in
our
proportionate
share
of
the
the
population
or
of
the
ridership
that'll
change
our
number
slightly
as
well.
L
Okay
and
we
have
there's
a
2%
inflation
as
you'll
know,
that
gets
calculated
once
there's
a
hundred
million
dollars
more
in
that
account.
So
it's
not
2
percent
annually.
It's
every
few
years
we
get
a
hundred
million
more
on
the
2
billion
dollar
federal,
and
then
it
gets
distributed.
Municipalities.
The
reason
I'm
bringing
this
up
is
I'm
wondering
if
you're,
anticipating
an
increase
in
the
federal
gas
tax
fund,
as
we
are
in
the
provincial
gas
tax.
Are
you
anticipating
an
increase
besides
the
2
percent
inflation
over
time.
D
L
And
I
mean
eyes:
councillor
Tierney
will
know
in
his
good
work
with
FCM
there's
been
a
lot
of
push
to
get
more
allocation
based
funding
from
the
federal
government.
This
2019
budget
and
2019
election
coming
up
that
should
potentially
see
more
federal
gas
tax
plan
and
again
I
raise
this
because
right
now
we're
counting
on
high
increases
to
fares
over
time,
but
there
could
be
increases
to
the
federal
gas
tax
fund,
which
the
majority
I
think
the
vast
majority
goes
to
transit
fares.
In
the
first
place.
D
Council,
when
we
received
initially
the
both
the
gas
taxes,
the
requirement
for
the
provinces,
it
has
to
go
to
transit,
but
council
elected
to
devote
all
of
the
federal
gas
tax
as
well
to
transit.
So
it
all
goes
there
and
I
certainly
hope
you're
right.
Counselor
I
would
like
to
see
more
revenue
coming
from
the
federal
gas
tax,
but
we
don't
have
anything
at
this
point
in
time
to
tell
us
that
it's
more
than
what
they'd
already
promised.
Okay.
M
D
D
M
M
A
D
Municipal
Act
does
require
that
if
you
set
a
fee
you're
supposed
to
recover
the
cost
of
providing
that
service,
so
you
can
build
in
there
your
capital
costs
in
into
that
fee,
but
it's
for
parking
and
transit
does
have
some
parking.
So
there
may
be
some
opportunities
to
look
at
using
some
of
that
to
deal
with
transit,
parking,
Park
and
Ride,
etc.
D
M
We
can
have
some
interesting
conversations,
but
it
would
be
good
to
know
if
there's
any
other
restrict
if
there's
any
restrictions
that
we
need
to
deal
with
before
that.
Thank
you
can
I
ask
another
question:
okay,
I
just
want
to
talk
about
childcare.
I
noticed
there
was
a
drop
for
next
year
in
in
childcare.
I'm,
sorry
I
couldn't
I
just
lost
the
page
there,
but
I
just
want
to
know
going
forward
what
our
plans
are.
M
D
What
you're
referring
to
is
actually
the
contribution
from
the
tax
Stabilization
Reserve
into
the
childcare
area
to
support
their
works.
Our
plan
was
approved,
I
think
at
least
four
years
ago,
where
we
were
looking
to
basically
bridge
the
childcare
area
because
they
used
to
have
their
own
reserve
and
they
put
money
aside
to
basically
help
them
out
every
year
and
that's
what
is
reflected
here
is
actually
that
plan.
So
this
is
all
they
require.
D
D
M
N
Mr.
mayor,
my
suggestion
would
be
that
that
question
be
asked
tomorrow
at
Budget,
Committee
with
council,
when
general
managers
hear
from
community
social
services
because
that
item
we
don't
have
staff
here
to
answer
questions
outside
of
the
federal
budget
and
the
treasurer
asks
the
ads
for
the
reserve
question.
However,
the
operational
issues
are
Janet's
Janice's.
N
O
Thank
you,
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
councilor
Gaines's
questions
about
the
delegated
authority
that
you
had
to
adjust.
The
mayor's
office
budget
was
that
I
just
want
to
understand
what
the
historical
issue
was.
I
missed
that
at
the
end,
was
it
an
adjustment
to
Cola,
or
did
it
come
from
the
the
reduction
in
2011
to
the
to
the
budget
to
that
budget
line,
in
particular
I'll.
D
D
O
C
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
whereas
marche
Ottawa
market
municipal
service
corporation,
assume
management
by
the
bar
wood
market
in
Parkdale
markets
on
January,
1st
2018,
whereas
council
delegated
authority
to
the
municipal
service
corporation
to
administer
the
provisions
of
the
Parkdale
market
program,
bylaw,
a
2008
4
for
8
and
byward
market
program
by
word.
Bylaw
2008
4
for
9
include
the
collection
and
retention
of
the
fees
for
operational
purposes,
whereas
these
fees
must
still
be
approved
by
City
Council
annually
as
part
of
the
budget
process.
C
Whereas
marche
Ottawa
market
user
fees
were
not
included
in
the
financial
and
Economic
Development.
Committee
budget
tabled
at
the
council
on
February,
6
2019
and
including
the
fedko
agenda,
therefore
be
it
resolved
at
the
Finance
and
Economic
Development
Committee
receiving
consider
the
attached
marché,
dada
market
user
fees
schedule
and
it
to
be
appended
to
the
Finance
and
Economic
Development
Committee
budget
book.
As
pages
44,
a
44
B
and
44
C.
C
Thank
You
mr.
mayor,
where
is
the
role
of
the
Ottawa
Police
Service
Board,
is
to
ensure
that
the
police
service
is
focused
on
keeping
Ottawa
safe,
which
includes
keeping
the
financial
house
in
order,
whereas
the
Ottawa
Police
Service
Board,
reduce
their
original
budget.
Ask
from
for
four
point:
seven:
nine:
five
million
from
the
tax
rates
of
the
subsidized
reserve
fund
to
two
point:
four
million
on
February
20th
2019
at
the
finance
and
Audit
Committee
meeting.
C
A
So
on
the
motion
carried
on
the
draft
operating
capital
budget
as
amended
for
fedko
carried
okay.
So
we're
back
to
item
number
one.
Now:
a
confederation
line
update
visa
joseline
della
Confederacy,
all
those
staff
who
are
not
required
to
be
here
we'll
see
you
later
and
we
have
mr.
man
Kony
and
his
team
at
a
PowerPoint
presentation.
I
I
Good
morning,
mr.
mayor
members
of
committee,
joining
me
today
is
Michael
Morgan,
who
you
know
is
the
stage
2
and
stage
1
director
of
light
rail
construction
and
mr.
Peter
Lau
who's,
the
CEO
of
RTG
I'm,
going
to
start
off
today's
presentation
with
a
ready
for
rail
campaign,
video,
it's
a
video
that
demonstrates
the
experience
our
customers
will
have
when
they
are
inside
the
light
rail
vehicles.
I
Mr.
mayor,
this
next
slide
is
the
artwork
of
Parliament
Station.
The
last
time
you
saw
this
as
a
council
was
renderings
and
it
is
an
amazing
piece
of
work.
It's
will
welcome
our
tourists,
our
customers
and
I'm
sure
we'll
be
photographed
by
many
they're,
literally
in
the
final
stages
of
some
panels
of
this
artwork
and
Parliament
Station.
I
So
mr.
mayor,
you
recall
at
the
the
last
fedko
meeting,
there
were
eight
critical
elements
that
we
were
tracking
I'm
going
to
go
through
all
of
those
again
today
and
give
you
a
status
report
on
each
one
of
those
I've.
Also
added
number
9,
which
is
winter
operations.
That's
a
new
one
and
I'll
speak
to
that
I
know.
There's
been
some
some
questions
and
comments
about
vehicle
performance
and
winter
operations
and
so
forth.
I'm
happy
to
report
mr.
I
mayor
that
RT
g
has
done
some
amazing
work
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks
and
overall
there
is
significant
progress
on
every
one
of
these
elements
and
so
I'll
go
through
them
all
with
fleet
availability,
the
station
occupancy
the
tunnel
ventilation
systems,
the
train,
control
systems,
our
control
room,
the
control
systems
on
the
trains
themselves,
the
system
assurance
program,
which
is
the
oversight
by
the
independent
safety
auditor,
the
end-to-end
practice
running
and
the
winter
operations
we've
talked
about.
But
first
mr.
I
mayor
I'd
like
to
talk
about
the
vehicle,
because
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
questions
and
I'm
I
want
to
address
all
of
your
questions,
both
in
the
PowerPoint
presentation
and
any
questions
from
member
of
committee
and
council.
First
and
foremost,
I've
heard
the
comments
about
this
being
a
vehicle
that
is
not
used
anywhere
else
in
the
world.
There
are
2600
of
these
vehicles
in
60
cities
and
23
countries
around
the
world.
The
countries
are
listed
there
and
including
in
winter
climate
and
the
emphases.
On
these
light.
Rail
vehicles
is
the
city.
I
This
spirit
has
been
used
and
with
every
different
application
they
get
adapted
to
the
environment,
of
that
local
environment
as
weather
conditions.
So,
if
you're
an
extreme
heat
as
some
of
those
countries
are,
they
add
extra
HVAC
components
to
increase
the
cooling
effects
in
the
vehicles
if
you're
in
winter
conditions
they
adopt
the
vehicle
for
the
conditions
that
it
will
experience
now,
I
want
to
go
back
in
how
these
vehicles
got
put
onto
the
test
track
and
mr.
mayor,
we
didn't
simply
just
pick
a
vehicle
and
put
it
out
there.
I
There
is
rigorous
testing,
independent
testing
oversight
and
inspections
and
countless
thousands
of
hours
of
reviews
before
you
put
a
vehicle
out
into
testing
track
conditions
we're
blessed
in
Ottawa
that
we
have
the
National
Research
Council
Laboratory,
it's
one
of
the
few
laboratories
of
its
kind
in
the
world.
It's
recognized
as
an
industry
leader
and
whether
you're
buying
trains,
diesel
trains,
electric
trains,
military
equipment,
fire
equipment,
police
equipment,
snow
plows.
I
So
these
are
photos
of
the
actual
testing
and
the
the
independent
engineers
and
technicians
that
were
conducting
the
various
assessments
to
ensure
that
the
vehicle
could
meet
Ottawa's,
extreme
climates
and
I'm,
emphasizing
that,
because,
yes
and
under
winter
operations,
I
will
talk
about
what
occurred
with
the
vehicle
that
was
stuck.
It
had
nothing
to
do
with
the
vehicle,
had
everything
to
do
with
the
maintenance
of
the
track
system,
which
I
will
talk
about
in
great
detail
in
my
presentation
and
the
respond
that
RTG
has
brought
forward
in
that
regard.
I
I
It's
also
been
used
in
other
cold
weather
climates,
st.
Petersburg
Moscow.
So
this
is
the
same
vehicle
and
you
recall
when
you
chose
this
vehicle
years
ago,
the
nose
the
front
of
the
vehicle
gets
picked,
so
we
went
with
a
different
nose,
configuration
and
the
door
configuration
so
the
vehicle,
the
guts
of
the
vehicle,
the
platform
and
all
those
elements
are
standard,
and
then
you
basically
pick
the
look
and
feel
of
the
external
via
a
vehicle
that
you
want.
This
is
out
in
service
in
st.
I
Petersburg
and
Moscow,
and
this
is
in
France
and
note
the
track
conditions.
The
track
conditions
are
clear.
Now,
let's
talk
about
what
the
vehicle
did
this
winter,
we
have
been
out
all
winter
long
and
like
all
of
us,
whether
you
are
flying
driving
in
a
bus
and
a
truck
in
a
car.
You
experience
all
these
winter
conditions
and
these
vehicles
have
experienced
all
these
winter
conditions,
I've
seen
them
firsthand
in
snow
ice
pellets.
I
You
can
talk
to
Kevin
Wiley
about
the
record
level,
freezing
rain,
the
rain,
the
extreme
freeze,
thaw
temperatures
and
winds
and
so
forth.
The
vehicles
have
been
out
in
all
those
conditions
and
yes
with
our
rigorous
oversight,
we
have
been
very
critical
when
we
need
it
to
be
so.
Some
of
those
log
reports
that
you
heard
about-
and
we
have
also
been
very
acknowledging
of
when
they've
performed
well
and
I'll,
get
to
that
in
a
moment.
So
the
vehicle
has
been
used
in
the
winter
conditions
and
as
these
pictures
demonstrate,
this
is
the
single
vehicle.
I
This
is
a
single
and,
as
many
of
you
saw,
coincidentally,
this
was
in
the
citizen.
Today
we
have
had
double
train
configuration
and
winter
conditions
and,
more
importantly,
they
have
been
out
since
last
summer,
including
and
double
the
train
configuration
so
I'm
happy
to
receive
any
comments
or
questions
about
what
vehicles
have
been
out
when
they've
been
out
in
all
types
of
winter
conditions.
I
So,
let's
talk
about
the
nine
critical
elements.
Major
progress
on
fleet
availability
from
RTG-
you
recall
I
was
not
pleased
where
they,
where
before
they
have
made
some
significant
progress
and
the
experts
that
we
have
on
this
project,
including
CEOs
from
New,
York,
City,
Chicago,
Boston,
st.
Louis
I've.
All
told
us
that
when
you
get
to
this
end,
part
of
the
project,
things
will
come
in
bunches.
You'll
get
a
lot
of
progress
in
clusters
and
so
on,
fleet
availability.
I
You
know
the
numbers,
it's
15
double
trains
and
4
spare
vehicles,
so
the
total
34
vehicles
I'm
happy
to
report
that
last
week,
four
consecutive
days,
24
712
single
train
vehicles.
At
one
point
we
got
to
13
and
14
and
15
for
continuous
days
of
operation.
700
hours
running
occurred
and
they
traveled
17,500
kilometers,
with
virtually
no
issues
or
errors,
and
this
weekend,
because
I
heard
a
comment
they
weren't
out
on
the
track.
No,
they
were
not
out
in
the
track
that
was
designed.
I
There
was
a
full
D
energization
of
the
track
system,
they're
out
testing
new
winter
equipment,
which
I'll
get
to
in
a
moment,
and
they
were
doing
some
adjustments
and
some
cVTC
testing
on
station
occupancies
major
progress.
I'm
happy
to
report
that
nine
stations
are
now
ready
for
occupancy.
There's
some
final
paperwork
and
minor
touch-ups
that
need
to
be
done.
The
other
stations
are
literally
around
the
corner
and
they're
tied
to
the
tunnel
ventilation
system
which
I'll
talk
about
next
on
the
tunnel
ventilation
system.
I
That's
trending
very
well
the
final
testing
late
Friday,
because
some
of
the
reports
come
through
from
Vancouver
the
experts
are
there.
We
received
additional
reports,
there's
one
test
that
needs
to
be
completed
in
the
connector
tunnel
that
connects
the
storage
facility
to
the
main
line-
that's
scheduled
for
later
this
week
or
early
next
week,
and
once
we
receive
those
final
reports,
we'll
be
able
to
sign
off
on
the
tunnel
ventilation
system
and
again
on
the
oversight.
I
I
I
Ensuring
that,
in
the
future
we
can
respond
to
those
will,
we
have
very
significant
snowfalls,
like
we
had
that
week,
absolutely
and
the
the
best
that
you
do
is
you
you
adapt.
You
ensure
that
you
have
a
good,
solid
winter
operations
plan
and
you
bring
in
equipment
like
this.
This
is
what
they
were
testing
on
the
weekend.
I
I
The
testing
and
commissioning,
including
a
12
consecutive
day,
trial
running
period,
needs
to
be
near
perfect,
there's
requirements
for
that
and
that's
why
we're
big
proponents
of
the
practice
plan
so
that
they
can
be
successful
not
and
that
we've
see
the
positive
results
and
that's
running
your
actual
train
volumes,
your
train
capacities,
your
head
waves
and
so
forth.
All
the
systems
working
the
way
they're
sendin
to
do
if
you
have
to
comply
with
all
the
safety
requirements,
as
approved
by
this
city's
safety,
auditor
and
operational
readiness
on
all
fronts,
including
maintenance.
I
I
They
will
be
providing
us
with
a
new
date
and
technically,
while
they
do
have
60
days
under
project
agreement,
to
give
us
a
new
RSA
date,
they've
advises,
they
will
not
be
exercising
the
full
60
day
period.
What
we've
had
and
we
had
very
positive
discussions.
Last
week,
the
city
manager
myself
mr.
Morgan
and
the
executive
team
of
RTG
and
their
board
was
that,
prior
to
issuing
that
new
day
and
publicising
and
so
forth,
we
will
bring
in
our
experts
with
mr.
I
louses
team
and
they
will
present
to
us
a
line,
a
path
as
to
how
they're
going
to
get
to
that
new
RSA
date,
and
we
want
to
be
fully
cognizant
and
understanding
of
how
they
will
achieve
it
and
what
what
issues
lie
before
them,
so
that
we
have
a
good
understanding
of
that.
So
key
key
things
as
I'm
sure
that
we're
going
to
be
raised.
The
draft
2019
budget
does
not
change,
nor
is
it
at
risk.
I
The
fare
freeze
for
July
1
remains
in
place
and
is
subject
to
council
approval
as
part
of
our
overall
budget
and
stage
2
is
not
affected.
This
is
not
delay
stage
2.
In
any
way,
the
steps
looking
ahead
continue
to
monitor
all
the
critical
elements
that
I've
outlined
continue
our
operational
readiness
program
and
again
the
transit
commission
members.
Yesterday's
had
a
taste
of
some
of
the
activities
are
going
on.
I
It's
a
lot
of
work
behind
the
scenes
plan
for
RSA
the
schedule,
the
workforce
adjustment
route,
changes,
booking
logistics
and
so
forth,
and
to
give
you
some
comfort
there,
yesterday
I
showed
the
chair
the
the
massive
booking
operation
we
have
underway.
We
have
what's
called
a
double
booking,
so
we
have
pre
bus
service
and
post
LRT
service.
I
And
we
continue
to
work
with
RTG
on
negotiating
through
the
project
agreement.
No
we're
not
in
court
suing
each
other
there's
none
of
that
going
on.
At
this
time
no
payments
have
been
issued
to
RTG
and
as
directed
by
the
city
manager,
we
continued
to
track
all
our
incremental
costs,
which
are
going
to
be
deducted
from
our
T
G's
standing
payments,
including
in
a
reminder
because
I've
been
asked
during
in
the
budget
process.
How
are
we
funding,
freeze
and
so
forth?
I
A
B
You
mr.
mayor
and
thank
you
mr.
Mahoney,
for
your
presentation,
one
of
the
questions
I
have
and
you've
touched
a
bit
on
it.
There
is
we're
seeing
reports
about
that.
There's
four
cars
out
today
being
tested.
You
mention
that
we've
had
a
couple
of
double
car
tests.
Now
it
seems
some
frame
that
as
there's
problems
with
the
cars
and
that's
why
the
testing
regime
changes
every
day.
Can
you
in
fact
confirm
for
us
that
it
is
a
serious
at
different
tests
as
part
of
the
the
protocol?
B
I
Yes,
mr.
mayor,
there's
all
sorts
of
testing
commissioning
and
training
going
on
so
last
night
we
had
four.
Then
we
went
to
five
vehicles.
Then
we
went
to
a
double.
They
were
not
running
from
Tunney's
to
Blair.
As
an
example,
we
had
segments
blocked
off
so
that
we
could
get
multiple
driver
training
operations
going
on.
Mr.
Lau's
was
also
doing
some
CB
TC
work
on
the
weekend,
so
there
was
vehicles
out
on
a
a
small
portion
of
the
track
and
with
the
state-of-the-art
control
systems
and
CB
t
see
that
you
have.
I
We
have
the
ability
to
do
all
that
blocking
off
and
so
forth,
so
you'll
have
various
counts
of
vehicles.
Various
operations
underway
and
you'll
see
different
things
and
yes,
eventually
you'll
get
to
that.
15A
double
contest
trains
going
from
Tiny's
to
Blair,
like
we
saw
last
week
with
the
12
going
Tiny's
to
Blair.
Thank.
B
B
If
we've
been
criticized
for
it,
we've
been
told
we're
hiding
behind
safety,
but
one
of
the
things
that's
recently
been
reported
is
on
these
incident
reports
that
come
out
of
testing
and
development
of
these
trains.
Can
you
please
confirm
that
incident
reports
like
this
or
changelogs
are
very
common
in
not
just
the
building
of
a
train,
but
a
road,
a
building.
B
All
major
projects
will
have
incident
reports
and,
if
I,
my
second
part
to
that
question
is
that
the
issues
identified
and
we'll
take
an
example
about
the
recently
reported
panels
coming
off
the
trains
that
those
issues
get
addressed
and
they're
fixed
and
that's
not
going
to
be
an
ongoing
issue.
Could
you
address
that?
Please,
with.
I
Any
build
of
any
infrastructure,
you
want
oversight,
and
it's
a
question
of
what
do
you
do
with
that
oversight,
I'm
proud
of
what
our
staff,
what
our
experts
have
been
doing
and
mr.
lovscheim
sure
can
speak
to
it?
We've
been
unrelentless
and
we've
we've
been
very
rigorous
in
ensuring
that
any
and
all
defects
are
reported
to
him
and
his
team
and
he's
been
very
responsive
with
respect
to
the
panel's
flying
off.
The
side
of
the
vehicle.
I
I
believe
was
that
one
vehicle
that
was
stuck
that
was
a
buildup
of
snow
on
the
side
and
pushing
out
the
fiberglass
panels
and
yeah
that's
going
to
occur
because
the
accumulation
on
the
track
that
we
talked
about
so
we're.
We
are
overseeing
every
single
aspect
of
this.
We
have
not
just
city
staff,
we
have
rail
and
system
experts
and
we
report
and
we
we
make
sure
that
everything's
followed
through
accordingly
and.
B
One
of
these
reports
that
were
in
the
media
from
an
interim
report
also
said
that
there
was
a
suggested
that
the
system
shut
down
at
35
centimeters
of
snow.
Can
you
address
that
was
that
shut
down
just
during
the
testing
piece,
or
they
recommend
you
that
the
system
not
operate
above
35
centimeters
of
snow?
No.
I
The
system
is
intended
to
operate
during
all
winter
conditions.
That
particular
day
we
made
the
decision
jointly
with
our
TG,
to
shut
this
to
bring
that
vehicle
that
was
stuck
in
and
we
knew
that
they
hadn't
kept
up
with
the
snow
clearing
operation,
so
they
needed
to
get
a
restore
of
the
track
to
the
condition
that
it's
appropriate
for
that
in
the
future.
I
There
is
no
system
in
the
world
that
never
shuts
down,
and
will
you
be
in
a
situation
we'll
have
an
extreme
ice
storm
or
something
like
that?
You
know
nobody
can
guarantee,
or
nobody
should
guarantee
you
in
this
seat,
that
you
will
never
shut
the
system
down.
You
will
modify
your
plan
according
to
winter
conditions,
so
that,
if
you're
snowing
during
the
day-
and
you
you
have
you
know,
your
volumes
are
low.
You
can
adapt
service
and
so
forth
and
get
ready
for
your
next
peak
service
day.
It's
very,
very
dynamic.
B
Thank
You
mr.
McCarney,
can
you
also
for
the
benefit
of
Council,
and
the
public
confirm
that
OC
Transpo
is
prepared,
for
whatever
is
happens
in
the
next
quarter,
like
we're
ready
for
when
the
train
comes,
but
you've
you've
just
completed
a
double
booking,
so
you're
ready
to
run
the
bus
service
if
we
have
to
through
the
whole
second
quarter
and
beyond,
but
you're
also
ready
to
transition
over
to
rail
if,
if
rgg
meets
a
date
in
the
second
quarter,.
I
We
are
ready,
we
continue
to
be
ready
and
that's
why
we're
gonna
work
with
this
date.
We
need
to
overlay
our
pieces
onto
it
to
make
sure
that
we
can
it's
not
just
a
random
date.
That's
picked
that
doesn't
work
for
us,
because
we
we
have
a
lot
of
logistics
and
I
know
that
many
of
cancers
have
asked
about
the
bus
routes
and
so
forth.
So
you
have
a
budget,
that's
before
you.
That
gives
us
all
the
tools
and
resources
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
and
we're
very
lucky.
I
B
You
and
in
an
earlier
fedko
presentation
when
we
were
first
talking
about
the
March
31st
state,
you
were
very
blunt
and
I
appreciate
your
honesty
to
the
public
and
the
council
that
you
weren't
comfortable
with
that
March
31st
date
given
and
I.
Believe
there's
a
lot
of
good
news
in
this
presentation
today.
I
hope
my
colleagues
agree
that
progress
is
being
made.
Are
you
much
more?
Do
you
have
a
much
higher
level
of
confidence
in
this
q2
plan.
I
We
like
what
we
see
that
list
of
eight.
It
seems
like
a
long
list,
but,
like
I,
said
in
the
last
couple
weeks,
a
lot
of
things
have
come
through
and
we
can't
minimize
them,
because
what
what
getting
things
like
station
occupancy
out
of
the
way,
the
tunnel
ventilation
system,
the
control
room
and
so
forth
that
enables
mr.
Lau
and
his
team
and
our
team
to
focus
on
the
single
most
important
thing.
I
B
You
my
last
question
for
you:
we're
gonna
go
back
to
OC
Transpo
I'm,
getting
comments
from
counselors
that
people
are
abandoning
the
service.
Can
you
give
us
an
update?
In
fact,
the
last
update
you
showed
that
the
ridership
numbers
were
going
up
a
bit.
Can
you
confirm
if
we're
still
trending
up
or
are
we
going
the
reverse.
I
Well,
as
I
reported
during
the
tabling
the
budget
last
year,
we
were
up
1%
and
I'm
happy
to
report
that
we
just
got
the
January
numbers
in
and
we're
2
percent
higher
than
last
year,
so
I
I,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
where
this
word
abandoning
the
service
is
occurring.
We
are
through
with
all
the
detours
that
we
have
going
on
and
the
harsh
winter
conditions
in
January
to
be
up.
2%
I
think
that's
an
amazing
indication
that
people
are
not
abandoning
the
service.
Quite
the
opposite.
Thank.
B
N
You
very
much
for
your
presentation
I'm,
really
pleased
to
hear
that
you're,
conferring
with
Boston
in
Chicago
on
lessons
learned
a
very
similar
climates
deaths.
I'm
really
also
pleased
to
hear
that
these
trains
run
in
st.
Petersburg
here.
It's
really
balmy
this
time
of
year
and
I
can
only
imagine
that
we
have
very
very
similar
climate.
So
that
gives
me
a
lot
of
confidence.
I'm
also
pleased
to
hear
that
that
this
current
delay
that
you
guys
have
announced
today
will
not
delay
stage
two.
We
need
stage
two
to
come
to
trim.
N
We
really
really
need
to
make
sure
that
we
get
stage
two
through,
because
Stage
one
doesn't
make
sense
without
stage
two
so
I'm
pleased
to
hear
that
and
I'm
really
pleased
to
see
quite
a
few
questions
about
winter
operations.
Obviously,
considering
you
know
reports
this
week
really
glad
to
see
the
melter
I
was
wondering
if
you
guys
might
be
able
to
spend
just
a
couple
of
moments
talking
about
what
this
piece
of
equipment
does,
how
often
it'll
be
deployed
and
really
how
it
operates.
I'll.
K
Thank
You
mr.
mayor,
so
we
did
a
trial
run
this
weekend
and
it
worked
extremely
well
what
it
will
do
in
addition
to
the
snow
clearing
equipment,
what
it
does.
It
allows
us
to
clear
the
snow
between
the
tracks
and
that
then
exposes
the
transponders
on
the
transponders
work
with
snow
cover.
But
if
you
wanna,
you
want
to
try
to
keep
that
to
a
minimum.
So
we
did
a
trial
run
this
weekend,
as
I
said,
and
we're
gonna
be
procuring.
K
Right
now
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
commit
to
one
I
can
tell
you
that
our
team
is
making
a
strong
case
for
getting
a
second
one.
So
we'll
definitely
have
one
and,
as
I
said
well,
we'll
have
we'll
probably
get
a
second
one,
but
there
is
a
contingency
plan
and
that
we
are
renting
this
locally
yeah.
So
if,
if
need
be,
we
can
always
use
that
as
a
as
a
as
a
resource.
K
We
need
to,
we
need
to
try
it
I
think
one
would
be
sufficient
for
stage
one
but,
as
I
said,
I'm
also
I'm.
Also
a
fan
of
redundancy,
so
I
think.
Well,
you
know,
I
will
probably
end
up
seeing
two
out
there
and,
as
I
said,
we
have
a
third-party
contractor.
They
can
provide
us
one
on
short
notice,
with.
K
J
So
that
mr.
Mayer,
through
you
that
question
that
section
of
track,
you
know,
if
you
strand
a
vehicle
in
a
in
a
remote
location,
typically
on
a
transit
system,
you
would,
you
know,
rely
on
emergency
services
to
assist
at
that
location
to
do
kind
of
a
direct
transfer
to
a
bus.
Equally,
you
can,
depending
on
the
scenario
you
can
use
another
train,
an
operable
train
to
quickly
connect
to
it
and
tow
it
to
the
adjacent
the
nearest
station.
J
That's
obviously
the
the
preferred
approach
is
to
get
to
a
station
and
then,
depending
on
the
impacts
on
service,
there's
some
opportunities
to
other
traffic
around
rail
traffic
around
that
that
train.
That's
something
that
we've
built
into
the
network
to
kind
of
mitigate
those
scenarios
where
you
do
have
a
kind
of
a
blockage
on
the
network
and
then
in
very
extreme
cases.
J
You
know
you,
you
can
do
alternate
service
if
you
need
to,
but
we're
working
on,
ensuring
that
we
have
the
capacity
to
kind
of
run,
a
minimum
headway
around
any
any
obstructions
on
the
track,
and
the
team
is
looking
at
all
those
scenarios
to
see
to
see
where
you
know.
For
train
stops
in
this
location,
how
would
we
recover
that
train?
How
would
we
assist
the
passengers
in
those
events,
we're.
N
I
So,
with
safety
and
reliability
being
the
underpinning
of
everything
associated
with
this
system,
that's
the
focus
that
I
have
on
it:
the
oversight
to
ensure
that
the
taxpayers
get
everything
they
are
paying
for,
and
the
2.1
billion
dollar
contract.
That's
number
two!
You
know
we
can
go
back
months
ago
when
we
were
having
discussions
with
RTG
and
they
were
they
were
doing
what
commercial
companies
do
they're
asking
if
we
would
take
a
phased
approach
to
launching
and
so
forth.
I
We
said
absolutely
not
the
relentless
pursuit
for
perfection
in
terms
of
what
they're
supposed
to
deliver
the
continuous
message
of
its
ready
when
it's
ready
and
and
ready
according
to
what
the
project
agreement
calls
for
all
those
things
wrapped
up
in
terms
of
accountability
and
ensuring
that
we
give
you
you
city,
council,
in
the
taxpayer's
2.1
billion
dollar
system
that
meets
the
ten
thousand
seven
hundred
passengers
per
hour
per
direction
requirement
at
the
end
of
the
day.
It's
about
that
and
yes,
I
understand.
I
Customers
are
frustrated,
I
heard
my
concern
about
the
bus
service
and
what
our
customers
have
to
have
been
enduring
mr.
Lau
hears
about
it
from
you
know.
He
called
me
after
the
the
last
Transit
Commission
and
said
I
didn't
know:
I
was
responsible
for
buses
being
late,
trying
to
get
to
people
and
service,
and
that's
because
they've
been
on
detour,
and
so
all
those
things
are
important
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
getting
what
we
paid
for
that's,
safe
and
reliable,
is
the
focus
and
will
continue
to
be
the
focus.
Let's.
I
I
Believe
I
went
through
the
list
last
week,
I'm
gonna
say
about
six
or
seven
major
concessions
with
us,
where
they're
getting
extra
operators
in
that's
why
the
cancellations
are
down
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks,
by
the
way,
they're
working,
every
single
piece
of
overtime
that
we
could
put
out
there
and
yes,
I
know
people
will
say
they're
paid
well
for
that,
but
they're
exhausted.
Also,
and
it's
been
a
tough
winter
for
them.
We
have
mechanics,
we
have
attendants,
we
have
people
working
throughout
the
weekend.
I
The
double
booking
that
I
talked
about
was
was
on
the
weekend.
That
was
so
that
we
did
not
disrupt
service,
so
we're
being
very
innovative
with
our
staff
and
with
our
unions.
The
fleet
count
is
doing
very,
very
well
even
with
the
the
harsh
winter
conditions,
so
that
gets
the
reliability
up
and
the
oversight
in
the
control
room
again
the
tour
that
we
did
yesterday,
where
we're
trying
to
ensure
that
you
know
we
really
minimize
the
number
of
canceled
trips
out
there.
I
N
N
I
Two
things
the
first.
The
timing
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
delay
of
LRT
one.
So
it's
not
that
a
stage
one
is
not
delaying
stage.
That's
the
bidders
coming
back,
as
you
know,
based
on
the
market
saying
they
need
more
time.
You
on
stage
two
you've
already
commenced,
worked.
You've
bought,
you've
purchased
the
vehicles,
you've
expanded
the
maintenance
storage
facility,
we're
doing
some
early
works
for
the
Trillium,
Line
extension
and
so
forth.
The
lessons
learned
there
was
a
public
report
that
went
out
a
few
years
ago
and
then
myself,
mr.
Morgan
mr.
I
swale
have
a
list
pages
long
of
lessons,
learn
things
we
can
do
better
and
so
forth
that
have
all
been
incorporated
into
the
procurement
of
stage
2
and,
having
said
that,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
went
that
are
going
well
in
stage,
1
terms,
the
accountability
and
the
financial
pain
that
mr.
Lau
and
his
team
are
feeling
which
had
this
been
a
conventional
design-bid-build,
you,
you
would
have
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
being
drained
out
of
your
reserve
accounts
to
cover
the
sinkhole
to
cover
the
continuing
construction
costs
and
so
forth.
I
I
N
I
really
appreciate
your
presentation
today.
I
just
want
to
end
on
a
comment
that
I'd
like
to
read
about
the
kind
of
emphases
this
might
be
to
staff
in
general
and
your
responses
to
them
before
I
read
about
it
in
Joanne,
Qian
Ellis
call
him
next
time
it
would
have
made.
It
would
have
gone
a
long
way
for
me
to
have
that
information
that
that
imp
have
information
that
that
was
going
out.
You
know,
prior
to
being
flooded
with
questions
from
constituents.
I
do
really
appreciate
your
presentation
today.
N
I
think
it
goes
a
long
way
to
building
confidence
here
at
Council.
It
certainly
has
built
a
lot
of
confidence
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
and
I
hope
that
my
constituents
agree
with
me.
Mr.
mayor
I'd
like
to
address
that
that
issue
that
the
councillor
raised,
because
as
far
as
we
know
or
will
confirm,
there
has
been
known
fit
for
release
of
the
information.
N
That's
been
reported
in
the
media
that
was
received
by
I
guess
a
leak,
someone
distributed
that
information,
so
staff
were
not
aware
of
the
information
being
in
the
media
until
was
actually
in
the
media.
The
same
as
council,
so
there's
no
way
for
us
to
prevent
that.
Obviously,
someone
is
talking
to
the
media
and
we
are
very
diligent
about
ensuring
that
council
has
information
when
we're
in
fitting
it
and
providing
the
information
to
this
committee
or
by
memo
to
Council.
We've
been
very
consistent
about
that
hover.
N
We
can't
respond
to
something
we
don't
know
about
to
all
staff,
then
look
we're
all
part
of
the
same
team
when
you
catch
us
off
guard
with
something
like
that.
It
makes
us
it
makes
it
very
difficult
for
us
counselors
to
work
with
you
and
to
back
you
up
so
I
would
appreciate
some
some
discretion
moving
forward.
You
know
we
work,
we
work
for
you
guys.
You
work
with
us.
Let's,
let's
act
as
one
team,
we're
one
team
here
at
the
city
and
I'd
like
to
see
that
moving
forward.
Mr.
N
F
H
F
F
I
appreciated
the
information
you
provided
last
month
and
I
remind
you,
sir,
that
last
month
you
said
with
confidence
that
you
would
be
able
to
deliver
the
handover
to
the
city
by
March
31st
of
this
year,
and
you
were
aware,
because
I
asked
you
of
what
the
outstanding
tasks
were
to
accomplish
as
part
of
the
handover,
and
you
were
aware,
because
you
acknowledged
how
long
each
task
would
take
and
given
that
mr.
man
Kony
has
said
today
that
you
made
significant
progress,
which
is
a
good
report.
F
K
Thank
You
mr.
mayor,
so
when
I
was
here
last
month,
I
did
say
that
I
was
confident
the
31st
of
March
date
and
that
wasn't.
That
was
me
speaking
on
behalf
of
RTG,
and
it
was
based
on
honest
that
we
had
with
all
our
TC
and
with
Alstom
and
if
you
recall,
I
said
that
of
the
eight
critical
items
that
we
were
tracking.
The
key
to
success
was
the
fleet
availability
and
the
end-to-end
running.
K
Well,
we've
had
a
very
very
good.
Last
week
as
mr.
McKenna
man,
kony
noted
in
the
presentation
on
the
28th
of
February,
we
were
obliged
by
the
PA
to
advise
the
city.
If
we
were
going
to
meet
the
date
or
not
and
as
I
said
our
decision
to
to
confirm
or
not
confirm
that
date
was
predicated
on
fleet
availability
and
and
running
on
the
28th
of
February.
We
were
not
comfortable
enough
with
where
we
were.
We
had
been
making
good
progress,
but
we
had
not
seen
consistent
progress.
K
K
F
Today,
March
5th
you're,
aware
of
the
same,
ask
you
the
same
question
you're
aware
of
the
outstanding
tasks
that
need
to
be
completed
by
your
team,
I,
hope,
you're,
aware
of
how
long
each
task
will
take,
whether
it's
independent
or
concurrent
to
the
other
tasks,
and
today
we're
hearing
that
the
new
target
date
is
q2
of
2019.
Are
you
confident
that
you
will
be
able
to
hand
over
this
system
to
the
city
by
q2,
2019.
K
Yes,
mr.
mayor,
yes,
I
am
confident
we
also
had
discussions
with
with
the
city
last
week.
Mr.
Cadillac
is
mr.
Manku
me
mr.
Morgan
and
and
our
executive
committee.
The
trend
is
very
positive
right
now
and
we
want
to
see
this
trend
continue
over
the
next
10
to
14
days.
So,
as
mr.
Mahoney
said,
we
want
to
load
the
system
with
with
20
single
vehicles
that
will
tax
the
system.
That
will
see
the
the
overhead
catenary
system
that
will
tax
the
the
zone
controllers.
K
Once
we've
done
that
repetitively
and
consistently,
which
is
which
is
our
line
of
sight,
which
should
be
you
next
week,
then
we'll
start
to
couple
vehicles,
and
so
within
about
fourteen
days.
We
should
have
that
confidence
based
on
how
we're
trending
now
and
then
we'll
be
in
a
position
to
discuss,
say
a
new
date
with
in
q2
with
with
the
city
and.
F
K
F
I
All
of
those
route
changes
are
linked
to
to
the
the
bus
network
that
you
have
and
that
you're
transitioning
to
I
did
last
week
because
I
know
councillor
Cavanaugh
asked
me
the
same
question:
is
there
any
of
those
routes
that
could
be
done
sooner?
I
put
mr.
Scrimgeour
and
his
team
to
the
paces
to
say:
is
there
any
of
those
route
enhancements
that
can
be
done,
unfortunately?
No
because
it's
so
intertwined
into
everything
else
and
again
I'm.
I
Just
going
back
to
what
the
chair
saw
yesterday,
the
booking
logistics
of
three
train
and
post
train
sincerely
count,
sir,
if
I
could
make
those
route
adjustments.
I
know
how
important
they
are
to
you
and
your
customers,
I
would
do
them,
and
I
can
assure
you
that
I've
done
my
diligence
I've
asked
Pat
to
take
another
look
at
it
with
his
team
and
he's
he's
out
of
loss.
He
can't
figure
out
a
way
to
do
it
that
wouldn't
cause
a
double
adjustment
to
you
and
make
things
worse
is.
F
That
five
million
dollar
value
an
annualized
number
based
on
you
know
we
were
assuming
a
handover
of
March
31st,
so
is
that
been
calculated
from
April
1st
to
December,
31st
2019?
And
if
so,
if
we
don't
get
the
service
opening,
let's
just
say,
Canada
Day.
Is
there
more
opportunity
using
that
five
million
dollars
to
add
more
roots,
since
it's
no
longer
gonna
cover
nine
months?
Do
you
know
what
I'm
getting
at?
Yes.
I
I
do
but
unfortunately
can't
do
that
because
then
your
annualized,
you
would
have
a
budget
pressure.
You'd
create
a
budget
pressure
and
if
I'm
wrong,
Marian
will
correct
me
you'll
create
a
budget
pressure
for
yourselves
in
twenty
twenty
five
million.
Is
your
annualized
portion
and
you'll
get
in
some
difficulty?
Okay,.
G
G
I
Direction
to
staff
is
immediately
following
the
opening
of
the
Train.
We
get
those
route
changes
in
as
quickly
as
possible.
I
have
to
see
what
the
new
data
is
to
map
all
that
out
and
my
assurance
to
every
councilor
is.
We
will
circle
back
with
you
to
give
you
the
exact
timing
on
that,
because
when
I
tabled,
the
budget
I
said
I
know,
you'd
want
to
be
involved
in
the
rollout
of
the
announcements
and
so
forth
to
your
community.
So
Pat
has
to
map
all
that
out
for
us.
Okay,.
I
The
mitigation
measures
that
I
mentioned
earlier
are
helping
note
unreliability,
so
we've
we've
had
a
good
week.
Hopefully
spring
is
around
the
corner,
that
that
helps
significantly
both
from
a
traffic
volume
perspective
and
a
stress
on
the
vehicles
and
and
so
forth.
So
I'm
pleased
with
the
with
the
mitigation
measures.
That's
helped
and
we're
not
done
that
yet
so
I
think
you
can
take
that
back
and
better
weather
will
certainly
help.
O
You
mr.
mayor
I
just
want
to
pick
up
on
some
of
the
points
that
you
raised.
Mr.
Mann
Coney
about
the
reliability
of
the
trains
in
winter
weather
conditions,
especially
in
the
the
winter
event
that
we
had
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
I
guess
I,
guess
I
what
I'm?
What
I'd
like
to
know
is,
you
know,
have
there
ever
been
any
concerns
expressed
by
our
staff
or
our
TG
about
the
reliability
of
trains
in
winter
weather.
I
O
So,
prior
to
that
day,
and
since
that
day,
there
have
never
been
any
concerns
raised
by
staff
about
the
overall
reliability
of
the
trains
and
and
the
the
regulator
that
clears
the
track.
Then
let
me
let
me
expand
the
my
question
a
little
bit
so
in
terms
of
the
snow
clearing
by
the
the
ballast
regulator
and
in
terms
of
the
the
trains
moving
along
the
track.
There
have
been
your.
I
I'm
not
saying
that
counselor,
as
I
said
in
my
presentation,
we
have
had
we've
shared
concerns.
Issues,
testing
commissioning
results
for
the
last
five
years
with
RTG,
and
you
know
when
you
use
the
term
ballast
regulator,
that's
the
technical
term,
that's
out
there
I.
You
know
to
pick
up
what
mr.
Connell
a
kisses
things.
Somebody
is
releasing
documents
and
what's
unfortunate,
is
reading
documents
in
isolation
without
having
the
rest
of
the
story,
including
my
staff
have
been
wrong.
Sometimes
an
RTG
staff
have
been
wrong.
I
I
know
one
staff
member
release,
some
information
about
catenary
being
down
on
the
yard
and
I
was
asked
if
I
knew
about
it,
I
absolutely
knew
about
it
and
yes,
some
catenary
came
down
the
yard
and
RTG
fixed
it
up
and
so
forth.
We
had
winter
issues.
Last
last
fall
we
had
I
think
it
was
an
early
snowstorm.
There
were
some
vehicles
that
were
stuck
in
the
yard.
I
J
So
I
just
I
mean
a
little
bit
about
the
loading
of
the
vehicles.
You
know
it's
a
pretty
laborious
process
to
load
the
vehicles
up
with
sandbags
to
simulate
those
600
people
being
on
the
train
and
then
taking
that
train
moving
around
the
system,
ensuring
that
it's
working
correctly
accelerating
as
we
expect
decelerating
you
know,
braking
as
we
expect
you
know
to
verify
the
overall
performance.
Do
we
do
that
on
a
subset
of
the
vehicles
to
make
sure
that
the
complete
system
will
work?
J
O
You
have
used
that
full
load
that
full
weight
load
capacity
on
trains,
both
single
and
double,
on
an
incline.
We
because
we're
looking
at
a
handover
of
possibly
q2
2019.
There
won't
be
snow
anymore.
It
will
be
spring.
So
what
I
need
to
I
need
to
understand
and
I
need
to
hear
from
staff
that
you
are
absolutely
confident
that
those
trains
can
operate
on
an
incline
with
full
full
load
weight
capacity
and
that
that
you've
actually
tested
that.
O
And
at
the
at
the
last
meeting,
one
of
the
one
of
the
elements
that
you
had
said
were
being
monitored
that
were
critical
to
Revenue.
Service
was
our
DG's
system
assurance
with
the
sign-off
from
our
the
city's
safety
auditor
I
asked
at
the
time
what
they
were.
You
said
there
were
about
12
left
out
of
a
couple
of
hundred,
so
I
wonder
if
you
could
tell
us
how
many
of
those
safety
considerations
are
still
are
and
what
are
they
I'll.
K
Thank
you
for
sparing.
So
as
far
as
the
safety
assurance
process
is,
it's
concerned
we're
almost
there
we're
trending
very
well,
there's
a
an
audit
going
on
a
two-week
audit
going
on
right
now
with
the
city's
safety
auditor
and
the
last
the
last.
The
last
element
to
to
review
and
to
agree
is
the
e
sac.
K
So
it's
the
engineering
safety
assurance
case
and
that's
being
reviewed
this
week
with
the
safety
auditor
the
whole
process,
it's
theirs,
we're
tracing
25,
critical
documents,
and
these
are
the
documents
where
we
have
statements
of
no
objection
from
the
city
auditor.
But
the
overall
process
involves
about
2,000
documents
and
all
those
documents
have
been
submitted
have
been
reviewed,
are
part
of
the
engineering
safety
case,
and
so
we
anticipate
in
the
next
week
or
two
we
should
have
sign-off
so.
K
We've
we
did
have
some
doors,
I,
wouldn't
say,
freeze,
but
get
stuck,
and
one
of
the
reasons
was
is
because
they
weren't
cycling
as
much
as
they
should
so
repeated
opening
and
closing
so
part
of
the
part
of
the
testing
process
is
when
we
get
to
a
station.
We
should
be
opening
and
closing
them
on
a
regular
basis
to
replicate
Revenue
Service.
The
operators
wanted
to
keep
the
heat
in
the
train.
K
O
How
will
we
know
if
we're
getting
handover
in
q2
2019
that
when
we
get
the
handover
that
all
of
these
issues-
and
there
are
some
issues
with
winter
weather-
are
not
going
to
be
outstanding-
that
we
won't
find
ourselves
next
winter,
with
a
train
that
you
know
has
panels
that
come
loose
or
get
you
know
is
not
able
to
to
move
freely
across
the
track?
You
know
doors
I,
think
you
said
being
stuck
or
not
opening
bit
of
a
nuance
there,
but
how
can
we
get
that
assurance
and
I
I
guess
I'm
asking
mr.
I
Morgan
talks
about
the
one
thing:
I
love
railroad
engineers,
but
they
do
not
break
the
logistics,
are
doing
that
testing.
They
literally
load
up
those
trains
with
the
sand.
This
is
industry
best
practices,
they
do
that
full
crush
load
and
they're
testing
that
train
non-stop,
braking
hills
so
forth
and
and
the
reason
the
hill
is
brought
up
is
because
we
have
that
hill
going
into
the
tunnel
on
the
Ottawa.
You
end,
so
it's
the
test
results
numbers
don't
lie.
Those
test
results
are
either
pass
or
fail.
I
There's
no
in
between
and
there's
been
five
years
of
oversight
and
when
we
needed
experts
we
brought
the
experts
in
the
experts
are
still
here
and
the
other
insurance
piece
that
you
have
is
that
the
Train
cannot
meet
service.
It
doesn't
go
out
and
they're
not
paid
part
of
that
four
million
dollars
service,
because
they're
paid
by
kilometres
rolled
on
a
monthly
basis,
so
they're
incentivized
to
make
sure
that
they
have
the
full
fleet
count
that
goes
out.
I
O
I
As
I
said,
the
base
is
similar.
Every
one
of
those
trains
gets
adapted
for
their
conditions,
they're
all
customized
to
the
operators
configurations,
interiors
exteriors.
Your
train
is
unique
in
that
it
goes
100
kilometers
an
hour
because
you
need
that
for
stage
2
and
it
has
passed
that
test
by
the
way.
So
there
are
differences
to
adapt
it
to
our
service
need
and
our
winter
needs.
Ok,.
O
I
J
So
the
spirit,
the
version
that
we're
gaining
goes
up,
200
kilometers
an
hour,
so
it's
a
slightly
faster
train.
You
know
there's
some
adaptation
as
John
mentioned
to
to
the
Ottawa
climate.
Obviously
the
the
train
control
system
is,
is
you
know,
custom
to
to
our
operation
on
a
street
running
system?
You
use
a
much
simpler
train
control
system.
Ours
is
a
much
more
complex,
moving
block
system
to
be
able
to
move
the
number
of
passengers
and
achieve
the
headways
that
we
need.
Those
are
the
primary
differences
so.
F
K
F
K
F
F
I
Well,
I,
I
guess:
I,
disagree,
I,
don't
think
there's
so
many
things
left
to
do.
The
trains
have
operated
all
winter
long
in
one
of
the
harshest
winters.
You've
seen
many
of
them
count,
sir.
As
you
know,
I
walk
in
your
ward,
every
night,
I've
seen
them
constantly
single
trains,
double
trains
and
so
forth.
I
As
we've
said
over
and
over
again
on
the
nine
things,
the
maintenance
piece,
the
winter
maintenance
piece
where
there
was
lessons
learned
on
that
major
severe
storm
up
until
then,
everything
was
fine.
They've
adapted
they're,
changing
their
contractually
required
to
change
the
getting
to
the
the
15
double
vehicles
and
to
end
is
what
we're
striving
for,
and
we
will
get
to
that.
There
is
a
bit
of
winter
left
in
March.
I
There
always
is
I
used
to
I've
been
in
public
works,
so
there's
always
one
or
two
storms,
there's
still
a
lot
of
snow
buildup
on
the
right
away
and
I
know,
there's
a
big
emphasis
on
snow,
but
the
one
that
keeps
should
keep
us
up
at
night
is
freezing
rain.
That's
what
loads
up
your
catenary
and
caused
your
catenary
to
come
down,
and
we
have
not
had
any
of
that
considering
our
harsh
winter
conditions
and
when
you
move
to
summer
there's
all
kinds
of
challenges
for
contraction
and
heaving
and
so
forth.
I
F
J
So
we
we've
gone
through.
We've
started
the
inspection
process
to
do
kind
of
a
walkthrough
of
the
interiors.
You
know
check
on
the
performance.
You
know
so
that
that
initial
inspection
33
vehicles
been
done,
but
you
know
there's
still
final
decals
to
be
put
on
the
vehicle.
There's
final
kind
of
customer
facing
issues
to
be
cleaned
up
before
they're
they're.
Officially,
ours.
J
You
know
so
those
inspections,
those
walkthroughs
generate.
You
know
a
long
list
of
open
items,
deficiencies
that
we
track,
that
that
we,
you
know
Joe.
We
do
a
joint
inspection
with
RTG
on
those
vehicles
to
make
sure
that
they're.
You
know
they're
aware
of
what
our
concerns
are.
All
of
those
things
get
tracked
those
go
into
a
car
history
book,
which
is
a
volume
of
tests
that
are
tracked
for
those
vehicles.
J
The
the
power
story
book
has,
you
know
reference
to
the
type
tests
that
are
done
for
the
global
testing
program,
but
also
the
individual
tests
that
are
done
on
those
vehicles,
so
that
package
you
know
in
the
industry
is
referred
to
as
a
car
history
book
is
available
for
us
to
understand
the
confining
configuration
of
the
vehicle
and
to
ensure
that
its
state
is
ready
for
a
service
that
includes
things
like
the
towel.
Is
the
train
control
safety
certificate
the
sign-off
by
alstom,
that
it's
ready
to
go?
F
J
Know
so
the
delivery,
the
delivery
of
the
trains,
unlike
in
in
other
systems,
where
you
have
it,
you
have
a
system.
You
are
exact:
accepting
delivery
to
run
trains
on
an
existing
system
in,
in
our
case,
it's
really
wrapped
up
as
part
of
the
overall
project.
It's
part
of
the
overall
handle
or
the
system
to
the
service.
You
know
RTG
is
accountable
to
provide
a
level
of
performance
to
the
city.
So
it's
it's
less
about.
You
know,
accepting
specific
individual
vehicles
and
it's
more
about
accepting
hand
over
the
complete
integrated
system,
but
before.
F
I
Mr.
mayor,
the
project
agreement
is
very
specific.
It
says
under
the
definition
of
the
RSA
and
how
they
can
get
the
substantial
completion.
There
can
only
be
what
is
referred
to
as
minor
deficiencies,
and
so
RTG
can
put
in
front
of
us
any
penny.
They
can
put
their
list
in
front
of
us.
We
we
will
agree
or
not
agree
to
it
being
a
minor
deficiency,
it's
defined
and
what
it
basically
says
is.
It
cannot
impede
the
successful
use
of
the
system
as
per
the
project
agreement.
I
So
when
you
hear
about
decals
and
when
you
hear
about
minor
things,
those
are
you
know
it
can
only
be
very
minor
things
no
different
than
when
you
buy
your
house
and
you
move
in
with
the
blue
tape,
and
you
just
put
you
know:
here's
the
drywall,
that's
nicked
and
so
forth.
That's
the
stage
we're
in
and
what's
their
incentive
money,
they
don't
get
their
money
until
they
get
through
the
12
consecutive
days.
I
F
I
Haven't
finalized
the
list,
there's
nothing
major
outstanding
on
the
vehicle
save
and
except
on
a
few
of
them,
there's
an
issue
with
a
power
surge
protector
issue
which
they're
looking
at,
which
they've
isolated
and
they're
looking
at
the
retrofit.
For
that,
that's
the
only
thing
that
I
would
consider
as
anything
of
significance.
The
rest
are
all
minor
things
that
we
would
agree
that
they
could
go
into
service
that
wouldn't
compromise
the
safe,
reliable,
consistent
application
of
that
service
is.
I
K
Provided
safety
certificates
for
24
of
the
vehicles?
Okay,
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
other
vehicles
aren't
operating,
they
are
operating.
But
what
remains
is
the
24
certified
vehicles
right
now
are
being
operated
by
Oct
drivers
and
all
RTC
drivers
are
operating
the
additional
ten.
We
expect
to
have
another
five
certified
by
Friday
and
then
the
last
five
by
next
week,
and
it's
strictly
a
function
of
access,
access
to
the
track
to
carry
out
the
dynamic
picot,
a
sorry,
a
dynamic
post
installation
check
out
tests
and
paperwork.
Okay.
F
I
K
Thank
you,
miss
Barrett,
so,
as
mr.
Mahoney
says,
yes,
they
are
working.
We've
been
doing
coupling
tests
in
the
yard.
For
the
last
several
weeks
we
have,
we
did
some
tests.
Last
night
we
have
a
couple
vehicle
out
there
today,
the
the
issue
there's
no
issues
whatsoever
with
mechanical
coupling.
There
were
some
issues
just
with
with
some
instrumentation
just
making
sure
that
one
cab
talks
to
the
other
and
that's
been
rectified.
Okay,.
F
One
of
the
things
I
think
mr.
Mahoney
raised
earlier
was
you
know,
there's
a
number
of
tests
that
are
occurring,
testing,
commissioning
and
training.
Oc
Transpo
is
training
its
drivers,
we're
testing
the
mechanics
on
the
trains,
we're
testing
the
communication
system
overall,
who
is
overseeing
all
of
these
tests
to
make
sure
that
no
one
is
stepping
on
each
other's
toes?
Who
has
the
overall
view
of
that.
I
F
I
I
Cadillac
as
two
years
ago,
when
I
got
handed
this
mandate
and
he
supported
me
unequivocally
and
he
I
brought
in
the
experts
that
I
mentioned
earlier
on
and
I
could
go
on
and
on
with
a
long
list
of
people
that
we've
brought
in
and
I,
and
we
wanted
extra
oversight
and
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
shared
with
you
and
you
had
clear
line-of-sight
as
to
where
we
were
with
the
project.
Every
step
of
the
way.
So
we've
gone
above
and
beyond.
What's
required
and
I
will
give
mr.
lavish
credit.
I
Technically
speaking,
he
could
tell
us
to
just
wait
for
the
keys
to
be
delivered.
He
has
not
done
that
under
his
leadership.
He
has
worked
with
us
and
participated
in
those
oversight,
meetings
in
the
and
the
assessments
and
in
the
various
and
the
hundreds
of
meetings
that
we've
done
in
terms
of
looking
at
where
we
are
with
the
project
is.
F
I
Because
he,
because
when
I,
did
the
research
on
how
complicated
this
project
was
I
believed
that
we
needed
to
bring
in
some
extra
railroad
expertise
from
people
that
have
bought
cars,
built
systems
implemented
systems.
And
hence
the
decision
to
bring
those
people
in
to
get
that
independent
view
and
support
and
advice
and
oversight.
F
I'll
follow
up
again
on
wanna
counselor
McKinney's
questions
with
respect
to
the
the
testing
under
load.
We
have
a.
We
have
a
12
day,
testing
period.
My
understanding
is
that
the
six
of
those
days
have
to
be
flawless
and
they
have
to
be
done
under
I.
Think
what
the
industry
calls
like.
It's
a
w3
standard,
so
we
have
to
test
the
trains
fully
loaded
with.
F
I
Counselor
respect
for
you.
That
is
not
how
that
system
is
set
up.
It's
12
days,
near-flawless,
okay,
aw,
three,
we're
throwing
out
technical
terms
here
again.
Yes,
that's
part
of
the
the
load
testing
that
mr.
Morgan
talked
about
and
as
I've
said
over
and
over
again,
we
aren't
going
to
ensure
we
get
everything
that
we
are
required
under
the
project
agreement
to
provide
the
safe,
reliable
system-
that's
required,
but
to
be
clear,
they're
required
to
go
into
after
they've
achieved
substantial
completion.
I
F
K
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
the
only
outstanding
work
at
Salem
Rock.
We
have
to
do
what
we
call
an
F
gas
test,
which
is
basically
where
we,
you
simulates
a
a
fire
in
a
vehicle,
and
you
have
to
make
sure
that
that
communicates
with
the
train
control
system.
That
is
the
last
remaining
test
we
have
to
do
before.
We
get
a
C
CL
and
a
t
CL,
which
is
construction,
conformance
letter
and
design
conformance
letter
and
then
to
answer
your
question.
Yes,
they
will
be
certified
for
two
vehicles:
okay,.
E
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation
and
the
update.
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
respect
to
some
of
the
logistics
I'm
pleased
to
see
that
the
1
million
dollar
penalty
will
be
enforced.
I
am
curious,
though
I
know
the
city
has
been
tracking
and
telling
up
the
costs
in
terms
of
this
impact
and
the
previous
delays
and
I'm
wondering
where
we
are
right
now
and
what
our
process
is
going
forward,
knowing
that
we're
still
waiting
for
a
new
date
for
delivery.
I
D
Update
went
in
December,
but
it
actually
covered
all
the
way
till
March
31st.
So
once
we
get
past
March
31st,
so
then
we'll
start
adding
on
the
cost.
But
don't
forget
that
whole
analysis.
We
did
showed
that
the
additional
costs
you
have
you
have
savings
or
expenditures
you're,
not
going
which
offset
those
plus
we
have
through
the
project
agreement.
We
have
an
ability
to
recover
for
lane
closures,
which
basically
offsets
your
detour
costs.
Okay,.
D
Fed
cleft
I
would
imagine
we
will
wait
until
after
the
March
31st
date
and
then
really
for
us
to
do
our
analysis.
What
we
need
is
that
the
date
when
it's
being
handed
over
so
we
can
do
the
cost
implications
up
to
that
particular
date.
So
as
soon
as
we
have
a
date,
we'll
do
some
more
work
on
this
and
provide
an
update
to
Council,
okay
and.
E
That
leads
into
my
next
question
and
then
how
will
we,
as
as
council
and
the
public,
be
it
but
through
council,
be
kept
in
the
loop
in
respect
to
a
new
date
being
set?
What's
next
steps,
because
we
obviously
need
to
be
aware
of
every
detail
going
forward.
This
is
such
an
important
project
and
it's
important
to
our
constituents.
Yes,.
I
Absolutely
it's
a
good
question:
the
we're
going
to
do
our
due
diligence
once
we
receive
a
new
date
from
RTG
and
then
we'll
provide
the
updates.
I
look
to
the
mayor,
whether
it's
through
fedko
or
whether
it's
a
memo
in
terms
of
the
new
update.
But
the
plan
is
to
obviously
communicate
that
to
you
and
to
our
customers
and.
E
I,
just
it's
going
to
be
a
realistic
date
right
because
I
mean
I
I'm.
A
huge
fan
of
project
management.
I
know
that
deadlines
need
to
to
be
in
place
and
I'm.
I,
love
deadlines,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
setting
something
that
was
realistic,
that
we
as
a
city
can
can
look
towards
and
our
residents
can
can
actually
anticipate
will
be
the
real
date.
I.
E
Also
I
was
a
little
disappointed
and
I
understand
the
nuances
in
respect
to
not
being
able
to
enact
some
of
the
bus
route
changes
that
were
set
out
in
the
2019
budget
as
a
ride
or
as
a
transit
rider.
Knowing
that
a
lot
of
my
constituents
were
hoping
to
have
some
of
those
changes,
so
I
am
going
to
ask,
though,
about
some
of
the
detours
that
are
in
place
in
pretty
specifically
the
174
detour.
I
know
that
there's
some
some
aspects
about
that
make
it
a
little
difficult.
I
Councillor
yourself,
counselor,
blade
counselor
journey,
have
all
asked
me
about
that
detour
and
they've
begged
me
to
pull
that
one
out.
If
I
could
I
would
it's
a
major
safety
issue,
we've
consulted
with
MTO?
What
I
have
said
is
I've
instructed
Phil
Landry,
who
is
going
to
be
unpacking
all
those
detours
that
that
be
the
first
one.
So
that's
on
the
work
plan,
because
we
know
that's
the
one
that,
from
from
a
benefit
to
your
communities,
is
significant.
Thank.
E
E
Good
and
I
guess
I,
just
you
know
just
to
say,
because
I
see
have
a
woman
on
the
clock.
You
know
as
a
transit
rider
I
am
disappointed
because
I'm
very,
very
eager
to
get
on
that
train
like
I,
cannot
wait
for
that
train
to
go
and
I
am
very
much
looking
forward
to
having
discussions
about
Stage
two,
because
you
know
we
won't
really
see
the
benefits
in
the
East
End
until
we
have
that
second
stage
of
LRT
but
I
understand
completely
from
a
taxpayer
perspective.
We
can't
accept.
E
We
can't
accept
something
that
doesn't
we
don't
doesn't
meet
our
operation
and
operational
and
testing
standards
so
I.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
due
diligence,
mr.
Mahoney
and
city
staff,
and
respect
to
making
sure
that
we're
not
accepting
something
that
doesn't
meet
our
standards.
I
am
looking
forward
to
a
realistic
date
being
set
and
that
we
have
an
effective
communication
going
forward.
So
we
know
all
the
details
as
we
as
we
proceed.
Thank
you
very
much.
L
Very
much
mayor
and
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
The
word
confidence
has
been
used
a
lot
throughout
this
process
and
in
this
room
today.
So
I've
heard
from
our
TG
we're
saying
we're
confident
on
q2
of
2019
I've
heard
from
other
staff
that
were
confident
for
the
calendar
year
of
2019
before
the
end
of
the
calendar
year
of
2019,
and
you
know-
and
our
mayor
has
been
clear
previously
on
great
confidence.
The
city
could
take
control
by
the
end
of
March.
L
I
So
counselor
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
which
of
my
staff
are
telling
you
they
look
to
the
end
of
the
year,
because
I
don't
know
how
anybody
would
do
that
without
having
the
detailed
information
that
we
don't
have
yet
from
RTG.
So
to
make
that
forecast,
you
know
you
can
check
my
track
record,
I'm,
very,
very
cautious
in
giving
out
dates
and
specifics
to
the
point
that
I
know
it
annoys
some
of
you,
because
you
want
a
date
and
I'm
trying
to
ensure
that
we
manage
expectations
so
I
just
caution.
I
If
anybody
from
my
team
is
telling
you
that
it's
the
end
of
the
year
I
need
to
see
the
information.
What
gives
me
confidence
is
what
I've
said
today
that
things
are
trending
in
the
right
direction
if
mr.
Lau
and
his
team
continue
to
do
what
we've
seen
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks
and
we
get
that
list
down
to
just
the
vehicles
and
we
get
vehicles
going
from
Tiny's
to
Blair,
to
the
point
that
the
public
says.
I
Ok
enough,
we've
seen
it
many
many
many
many
days
day
after
day,
the
confidence
level
will
be
there
and
confidence
gets
built
with,
with
the
the
information
coming
in
and
positive
test
results
and
like
I,
reported
I'm
difficult
on
RT
g,
when
I
need
to
but
I'm
also
very
fair
and
equitable,
when,
when
they've
performed
in
the
last
couple
weeks,
they've
performed
some
some
very
impressive
things
and
the
experts
are
writes.
This
stuff
comes
in
in
in
big
chunks
towards
the
end,
like
any
major
system.
Rollout,
ok,.
L
I
L
I
Have
not
achieved
what's
required
in
the
project
agreement
which
they
have
not
achieved.
Substantial
completion,
that's
the
first
piece
that
and
substantial
completion
is
a
fancy
term
for
all
of
the
construction
work.
All
the
occupancy
permits
are
done.
There
can
only
be
very,
very
minor
things
left,
so
they've
not
achieved
that
they
don't
they
don't
believe
they
can
achieve
that
in
the
time
line
required
leading
up
to
RSA.
I
L
I'm,
looking
for
more
specifics,
where
you
can,
can
you
can
you?
Let
me
know
if
these
statements
are
true
or
not
at
any
point
during
the
testing,
vehicles
are
currently
unreliable
to
the
point
that
it
has
not
been
demonstrated.
That
operations
can
be
sustained
during
a
major
winter
weather
event.
Is
that
true,
right
now
right.
L
I
K
So
there's
been
no
panels
flying
off,
as
mr.
Mahoney
said,
the
only
time
that
a
panel
actually
came
off
that
was
last
summer
during
the
tornado,
and
that
was
because
of
a
latch
that
wasn't
fastened
tight
enough
that,
since
been
addressed.
Okay
as
far
as
the
winter,
the
winter
event
is
concerned,
there
was
one
panel
that
came
off
it
didn't
fly
off.
It
was
pushed
out
slightly
because
of
the
because
of
the
ingress
of
snow
underneath
and
then
how
does
it
approach
one
of
the
stations
it
clipped
the
side
of
the
platform
and
it
broke?
K
L
And
you're
saying
that
these
haven't
occurred
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks.
That's
what
I'm
saying!
Okay,
can
you
tell
me
if
this
statement
is
true
the
for
both
brakes
and
the
bogies,
both
the
under
the
under
frame
of
the
rail
car
that
holds
the
wheels
they
freeze
up
if
the
vehicle
sits
for
any
amount
of
time?
Was
that
occurring.
K
Thank
You,
mr.
mayor,
the
answer
is:
no:
the
vehicles
are
designed,
there's
actually
a
skirt
that
protects
the
brakes
and
the
bogies
we're
talking
about
the
one
occasion
where
the
vehicle
was
stuck
in
the
snow
and
that's
where
we
had
a
buildup
of
snow
and
in
the
bogie
and
it
did.
It
did
freeze
the
gearbox
on
the
brake.
Okay,
so.
L
Okay,
sorry,
yes,
that's
correct!
Okay,
so
just
given
that
I
mean
it
seems
like
the
news
report
that
came
out
was
accurate
in
many
instances.
That's
what
it
seems
like
to
me
based
on
those
answers.
There
may
have
been
a
couple
of
things:
were
there
questions
around
it,
but
on
those
answers
it
seems
like
that
was
fairly
accurate
stage.
L
1
and
stage
2
are
intimately
linked
because
we've
purchased
38
more
of
these
exact
vehicles
for
the
extension,
it
is
my
understanding
that
was
done
in
2016,
correct
we've
purchased,
though,
or
we
made
the
a
Memorandum
of
Understanding
to
purchase
the
additional
38.
Have
we
actually
given
over
the
money
for
that
or
we
just
have
a
memorandum
to
say
we're
going
to
purchase
those
vehicles.
I
L
So
we've
been
testing
those
other
vehicles
for
a
long
period
of
time
before
2016.
Then,
if
you
had
the
chance
to
do
it
over
again
with
the
vehicles
that
we
purchased,
would
you
wait
to
potentially
see
what
the
testing
produce
for
some
of
you
and
look
at
other
vehicles
that
exist
out
there?
Given
that
my
understanding
is
the
Alstom?
The
spirit
is
the
first
in
north
america
there
may
be
in
other
places,
but
the
spirit
is
the
first
for
normal
North
American
Ottawa.
I
I
But
these
reports
that
are
out
floating
about
staff
holding
our
TG
accountable
for
an
incident
that
occurred
you're
getting
state-of-the-art
vehicles.
They
will
not
be
put
into
service
until
they're,
completely
tested
and
meet
the
every
single
standard
that
we
put
out.
There.
You've
had
independent
assessment
from
the
National
Research
Council.
I
So
if
we
want
to
talk
to
those
scientists
and
those
lab
technicians
and
so
forth,
about
the
-40
they've
been
used
elsewhere
in
the
world
and
we're
confident
that
we're
getting
very
good
vehicles
and
purchasing
rail
vehicles
and
putting
them
into
service
is
a
complicated
task
and
we
have
a
complicated
system
with
some
of
the
amenities
that
have
never
been
done
before
in
terms
of
the
doors
and
so
forth.
And
everything
else
and
they're
performing
very,
very
well
on
many.
Many
many
fronts
would.
L
I
Of
the
p3
contract
that
you
signed
is
you
actually
do
not
own
the
vehicle
risk?
Our
tea
tree
RTG
has
the
contract
with
Alstom.
You
are
not
accountable
for
the
vehicles.
That
was
a
conscious
decision
that
we
did
and
unlike
other
jurisdictions,
where
you're
building
the
system
and
then
you're
procuring
the
vehicles.
You
have
double
risks.
The
risks
are
all
with
mr.
Lau.
He
has
to
put
those
vehicles
into
service
and
he
gets
the
financial
and
so
forth.
Yes,
sirs
delays
to
us
in
our
customers,
but
the
financial
risk.
I
If
you
had
done
a
conventional
procurement
model,
you'd
be
on
the
hook
for
all
those
issues
that
they're
dealing
with
right
now
and
you'd
be
struggling
through
it
and
taking
more
time
and
money
and
resources,
and
so
the
procurement
team
that
put
that
first
p3
together
did
what
other
jurisdictions
now
wish
they
had
done
because
there's
other
jurisdictions,
you
know
and
look
they're
waiting
for
their
vehicles
and
they're
well
beyond
a
year
waiting
for
vehicles.
So.
I
They
have
to
have
enough
vehicles
to
provide
that
service
count
that
I
told
you
about.
They
don't
get
their
monthly
four
million
dollar
payment,
there's
penalties
associated
with
not
just
the
vehicles
but
escalators
and
elevators
any
sub
system
that
isn't
working
and
yeah
they're
required
to
to
put
vehicles
out
there,
and
they
also
have
the
stage
to
order
vehicle.
That's
coming
online.
So
they
can
also
backstop
that
in
the
interim
for
stage
one
if
they
want
to
okay.
L
And
on
the
on
the
process,
I
mean
I,
think
there's
been
a
fair
amount
of
a
lack
of
information,
sometimes
coming
out
to
councillors
and
the
public
and
so
I
think
some
of
the
problem
that
we
have
is
that
we're
not
communicating
enough
during
this
period
of
time
to
both
counselors
and
and
the
public
on
these
issues,
and
so
I
guess
mr.
Locke,
this
question
is,
for
you
I
think
it's
clear,
Council
and
the
public
want
more
information
until
service
launch.
L
N
Mayor
I'd
like
to
to
comment
on
that
just
for
because
I
before
mr.
louse
provides
an
answer
just
to
I
can
understand
council
being
concerned
because
they're
hearing
about
you
know,
items
or
issues
that
come
up
in
the
media
and
other
sources
that
come
through
about
the
trains
motor
before
was
about
the
construction
civilan
around
the
site's
I,
totally
understand
your
anger,
because
you're
hearing
it
and
there's
no
context
for
you
to
process
what
that
means.
N
In
relation
to
the
overall
project
and
I
like
to
say
that
that
you
know
we
are
in
testing
and
commissioning
that
there's
the
the
point
of
of
identifying
problems
and
creating
issues
logs
and
and
fixing
them,
and
we
can
get
you
know
we're
sitting
there.
Every
week
we
have
a
weekly
meeting
with
the
RTG
group
and
the
Executive
Committee
of
the
constructor
and
we're
dealing
with
this
I'm
dealing
with
a
daily
I
mean
these
conversations,
and
we
don't
focus
on
the
individual
issues
that
come
up
over
the
logs,
because
those
things
are
supposed
to
happen.
N
There's
no
I
want
to
debunk
the
myth
that
a
train
is
constructed
and
then
dropped
on
a
truck,
and
it
works
perfectly
you're,
basically
building
and
you're
taking
ownership
of
autonomous
vehicles.
We
her
leading
edge
in
the
sense
that
we're
building
vehicles
that
are
controlled
by
computers,
even
though
we
have
an
operator
on
board
they're
very
complex,
which
you
know
which
mr.
McCarney
mr.
Lowe
has
talked
about,
but
I
think
that
the
the
first
of
all
you
know
the
belief
that
individual
issues
that
come
up
on
the
issues
log
during
the
testing-
that's
normal.
N
That's
what's
supposed
to
happen.
That
is
part
of
the
process
of
any
kind
of
construction
or
infrastructure
project,
and
we
don't
react
that
because
what
council
has
done
in
their
governance
role
as
total
as
what
they
want.
We
issued
a
contract
telling
us
what
we
want.
What
we
want
is
a
city.
Mr.
Lau
has
responsibility
to
tell
us
how
to
do
that
and
how
to
develop,
and
the
contract
was
set
up
that
way
to
get
that.
I
don't
get
involved
in.
N
Quite
frankly,
in
me,
in
the
individual
issues,
unless
I
see
that
they're
trending
towards
system-wide
broader
problems,
that's
the
issue.
If
the
issues
that
are
going
on
the
log
sheet
that
I've
been
identified
are
our
issues
that
are
seeing
that
we
have
systemic
issues
or
system-wide
issues
or
things
totally
wrong
with
all
the
trainsets.
N
So
the
notion
that
you
know
and
I'm
not
sure
if
that
was
a
deliberate
use
of
the
word
truthful
in
terms
of
the
question,
we've
always
been
truthful
I
think
we
have
a
different
perception
in
terms
of
what's
relevant
to
the
final
outcome
that
you
want
versus
what
an
individual
counts
to
remember
the
public
all
month.
So
I
understand
when
you
hear
that
you
go
WOW
what's
happening,
but
I
can
assure
you
that
we
look
at
these
things.
We're
paying
attention
to
all
of
them
and
we're
monitoring
it
against
the
standard
of.
N
Is
this
going
to
impact?
What
council
has
asked
for
to
deliver
and
our
belief
is
absolutely
not
because
we
are
tracking
it.
The
independent
assessment
team
we
brought
in
is
on
top
of
all
the
issues,
we're
doing
more
governance
and
oversight
that
we
were
required
to
do.
Mr.
Lau
has
been
totally
cooperative
in
terms
of
opening
up
everything
he
has
to
show
us
those
things,
and
we
are
very
confident
that
those
trains,
because
they
are
running
in
other
jurisdictions
all
over
the
world,
is
mr.
Mahoney's
showed
in
the
presentation.
Those
trains
will
be
running.
N
The
beauty
of
it
is,
and
I
I've
said
this
to
my
team.
Can
you
imagine
where
council
would
be
right
now
and
staff
if
we
were
doing
a
design
build
ourselves
and
we
were
a
year
late
and
we
were
funding
everything
they've
had
to
fund
for
the
last
13
months?
Can
you
imagine
they're
paying
for
all
the
construction
costs
and
all
the
staff
that
are
on
that
whole
line,
they're
paying
for
all
the
penalties
they're
paying
for
all
the
financing?
We
haven't
paid
them
since
February
of
2018,
not
a
dollar.
N
That's
the
protection
that
our
tax
payers
have
that's
the
value,
the
money
our
tax
payers
have,
and
that's
one
of
the
beauties
of
having
a
contract
like
this
there's
some
compromise,
of
course,
because
yeah
we
don't
have
total
control
of
everything,
because
we've
asked
them
to
build
it
for
us.
We've
hired
a
general
contractor
to
build
it,
but
I
can
assure
you
that
we
have
been
very
forthcoming
with
any
issue
and
it's
a
matter
of
perspective,
but
the
issues
that
we
believe
are
relevant
for
counsel,
from
a
governance
perspective
and.
L
I
and
I
appreciate
that
that
thorough
answer
I
really
do
but
I
guess
at
this
point
there's
a
huge
thirst
for
information
from
counselors,
the
public
and
others
that
we
get
more
information
about
this
as
we
move
along
so
I'm
asking
for
a
commitment
from
mr.
Lao
and
you
folks
here
that
we
get
and
I
say,
truthful
because
look:
we've
had
three
deadlines
pass
when
we
said
there's
confidence
here,
we're
gonna
deliver.
We
have
it.
So
that's
what
I
mean
when
I
say
it.
Can
we
get
that?
Can
you
can
make
that
commitment
here
today?
L
N
It's
again
it's
a
question
of
what
is
what
level
of
information
counsel
needs
as
we
proceed
forward
and
I'm,
not
I'm,
not.
You
know,
you're
you're
reacting
to
my
answer,
but
I'm
not
saying
I,
don't
want
to
give
you
information.
It's
if
you
have
information
that
I
don't
know
another
bogey
froze
because
it's
gonna
be
22
below
tomorrow.
What
do
you
do
about
it?
It's.
N
The
Ovilus,
our
commitment,
is
that,
as
information
comes
up,
that's
relevant
to
the
project
in
the
end
they're
receiving
the
project,
we
will
provide
counsel,
as
we've
been
directed
to
do
by
counsel
and
we'll
come
back
to
fat,
khont
provider
updates
at
the
calling
of
the
chair
of
the
committee.
So
that's
what
we
provide
our
information
we've
been
directed
by
counsel
in
terms
of
how
we
provide
information,
we're
living
up
the
battle
and,
if
counsel
wants
to
change
that
direction
through
a
vote
here
and
ultimately,
counsel
staff
will
comply.
C
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
mayor
and
thank
you
very
much.
John
I
know
I
keep
bringing
up
time
and
time
again
that
ramp
and
I
guess
our
constant
pining
and
whining
has
got
it
to
the
top
of
the
deck.
So
I'm
very
happy
about
that.
Also,
you
mentioned
the
cancellations
and
I
did
highlight
that
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
in
a
question,
and
you
were
brutally
honest
and
that
quote
was
used
for
quite
a
while
and
I
can
attest
to
those
cancellations
are
being
reduced.
I
Yes,
we're
continuing,
you
know,
I
can't
guarantee
you
that
we'll
get
down
to
zero.
Like
I
said
we
had
a
better
week
this
week
and
you
know
just
to
share
with
everyone.
There
are
roots
being
canceled,
some
of
which
we've
never
cast
in
the
past
and
I
know
your
award
because
you
made
it
loud
and
clear
to
me:
it's
never
been
canceled
and
so
you've
had
some
challenges
in
your
work.
C
Great
thank
you
for
that.
So
I'll
keep
keep
an
eye
on
that.
We're
talking
about.
You
know
the
end
of
the
second
quarter,
giving
a
date
I
think
a
lot
of
the
concern
that
we've
seen
is
you
know
we
do
the
math,
simple
math.
You
need
those
12
days,
we're
doing
the
countdown
I'm
thinking
worst
case
scenario
the
end
of
the
second
quarter.
C
So
if
I
count
back,
are
we
gonna
start
seeing
those
12
days
starting
early
in
that
second
quarter,
or
are
you
gonna
hold
off
to
those
last
12
days,
because
I
think
that
people
want
to
see
momentum
and
I
certainly
see
the
trains
running
in
and
out
of
Blair
station
coupled
uncoupled,
not
to
the
frequency
I'm?
You
know
excited
about
yet,
but
I
think
people
need
those
visuals
to
be
able
to
say
yeah.
This
actually
works.
So
when
would
you
anticipate
that
12
days
of
testing
taking
place?
C
K
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
so
and
as
I
said
earlier
in
terms
of
giving
a
date
when
we
want
to
have
is
we
only
have
10
to
14
days
of
consistent
running
single
double
vehicles?
Then
the
countdown
starts
we
have.
The
project
agreement
is
very
prescriptive
in
terms
of
the
notices
that
we
have
to
give
and,
in
the
opinion
periods
allocated
to
the
independent
certifier
in
the
city.
K
Once
we
issued
the
substantial
completion
notice,
there's
a
tenday
opinion
period
and
then
we
start
trial
running
and
that
prior
learning,
as
we've
noted,
is
12
days
at
the
end
of
that
trial
running,
we
can
have
revenue
service.
So
if
you
you
know
you
can
work
backwards
from
there.
Obviously,
it's
in
our
best
interest
to
do
this
as
quickly
as
possible,
and
that's
why
this
next
two
weeks
is
will
be
very
telling
great.
C
Well,
on
that
I'm
hoping
we
see
it
in
March
or
April,
and
not
me
and
June
when
that
starts,
it
would
certainly
give
more
more
to
our
clientele
that
want
to
ride
this
thing.
I
tell
you,
people
are
excited
about
it.
John
the
cellphone
capabilities
through
the
tunnels
are
those
repeaters
in
place.
Will
people
have
access
to
cell
service
and
the
tunnels
on
day?
One.
I
C
Thank
you
so
I
think
a
lot
of
the
questions
today,
we're
around
the
spirit,
brand
or
the
spirit
model
of
the
vehicle
and
I
think
it's
been
repeated
a
few
times,
but
I
just
want
to
say
it's
kind
of
like
a
car
right
like
you
want
to
air
power
windows
ashtray.
You
know
leather
seats
turbo.
Is
that
what
we're
talking
about
here
with
these
trains
they
we're
not
talking?
This
is
some
kind
of
prototype.
The
base
model
is
the
same.
I
J
C
This
again,
this
is
comforting
and
I
think
we've
loud
and
clear.
This
is
just
a
different
brand
different
model.
That
being
said,
I
did
learn
a
lot
in
the
presentation
today,
and
this
is
something
I
think
we
really
have
to
give
to
our
constituents.
These
are
things
I'm
not
reading
in
the
media,
and
I
would
like
to
deliver
some
of
this
information
to
our
constituency,
and
it's
kind
of
you
know.
C
Councilor
Menards
point
it'd
be
great
to
have
something
that
we
can
provide
in
our
eblasts
by
Facebook
by
Twitter
that
we
can
push
out
that
isn't
a
graphical
representation,
something
in
a
text
format,
maybe
some
graphics
as
well.
Is
that
something
that
is
that
John,
your
shop
that
would
do
or
me
or
maybe
a
it
would
be
RTG
in.
I
March
there's
the
Transit
Commission.
There
is
a
detailed
report
on
all
those
customer-facing
elements
and
you,
as
counselors,
will
get
all
sorts
of
documentation
in
various
forms
and
formats
that
you
can
push
out
because
the
customers
want
to
know
about
how
do
I
ride
it.
What
are
the
elements
and
sub
elements
and
so
forth?
Yes,
great.
H
Thank
you
and
mr.
mayor
and
thank
you
for
your
presentation
today.
I
have
to
admit
to
being
a
little
confounded
about
the
change
in
tone
and
confidence
level
from
last
month
to
this
month,
and
especially
with
the
backdrop
of
the
media
report
last
week.
That
said,
an
internal
memo
said
that
vehicles
are
currently
unreliable
to
the
point
that
it
has
not
been
demonstrated
that
operations
can
be
sustained
during
a
winter
weather
event.
So
is
that
a
mythical
memo
or
did
that
memo
actually
exist?
H
I
Chair
I,
don't
know
what
it
is,
I,
don't
know.
If
it's
a
memo,
I
would
love
to
get
a
copy
of
it,
and
I
would
love
to
sit
down
with
the
employee
that
provided
it
so
that
context
can
be
given
that
somebody
has
leaked
something
to
the
media.
I
don't
even
know.
It's
omit.
We
issue,
as
mr.
Cadillac
has
said,
hundreds
and
hundreds
and
thousands
of
pages
of
documentation
all
the
testing
protocols.
So
this
memo
or
whatever
the
document
is
I,
don't
know
what
it
is.
I
cannot
comment
on
it
I'm
sure
so.
H
H
H
I,
don't
have
a
copy
I,
just
read
it
in
the
media
and
I
would
like
to
know
if
there's
an
internal
report
that
said
that
last
week,
how
did
the
confidence
level
change
this
week
so
that
I
here's?
What
I'm
worried
about
I'm
worried
that
we're
gonna
take
this
system
sometime
in
June
when
flowers
are
blooming
and
that
we
don't
have
any
way
of
testing
a
winter
condition
in
June?
And
we
accept
this
and
we
end
up
with
a
three
season
service
and
then
next
winter,
it's
not
reliable.
I
So
again,
we've
been
testing
the
vehicles
all
winter
long
and,
as
I've
said
in
the
presentation,
the
incident
of
that
vehicle
being
stuck
was
not
related
to
the
vehicle,
wasn't
really
to
the
bogies.
It
wasn't
related
to
the
brakes.
It
wasn't
related
to
the
panel
was
related
to
the
track
not
being
cleared.
They
had
a
challenge
with
the
winter
clearing
operations.
They
responded
to
that.
I
We
have
the
independent
assessment
team
and
our
experts
that
have
will
run
winter
operations,
far
more
complicated
than
what
we
do
and
they're
overseeing
the
winter
plan,
they're
overseeing
the
equipment,
they're
overseeing
the
how
they're
gonna
test
the
winter
maintenance
equipment,
and
so
we've
run
vehicles
all
winter
long.
We
saw
that
major
storm.
I
We
saw
all
the
other
storms
that
everybody's
been
through
and
though,
and
the
vehicles
have
operated
through
those
things,
and
so
that
builds
the
confidence
on
that
and,
let's
be
clear,
we've
said:
they've
had
a
very
productive
two
weeks,
but
your
insurance
policy
council
is
your
p3
agreement,
because
here
are
the
hurdles
they
need
to
clear
before
we
give
them
the
go-ahead.
They
have
to
reach
substantial
completion,
which
means
everything
is
done.
The
only
thing
that
can
be
outstanding
are
minor
minor
issues,
no
no
different
than
your
own
house.
I
Then
they
have
to
pass
the
12
day,
trial
period
of
continuous
running
and
to
end
perfect
running
and
while
everybody's
focused
on
winter
I
could
tell
you,
that's
a
very
challenging
test
to
go
through
and
that's
why
they've
agreed
to
the
practice
plan,
which
will
be
an
early
indicator
and
then
they
can
go
to
RSA.
So
they
have
to
get
through
all
those
hurdles,
safety,
auditor
review
and
so
forth.
So
there's
a
lot
of
hurdles
go
through
and
what
I'm
simply
reporting
on
today
you
know
counselors
have
asked
for
what
are
the
facts.
I
They
had
a
really
good
couple
of
weeks
and
of
nine
major
issues.
A
lot
of
them
are
trending
very
well,
I,
didn't,
say
they're
all
done
in
the
confidence
level
that
I
will
get
to
answer.
Your
question
is:
if
mr.
Lau
is
successful
and
clearing
up
all
those
other
eight
things
and
he's
left
with
the
vehicles
and
run
time
on
the
track.
I
N
Mayor
little
so,
let's
say
that
you
know
the
the
notion
that
that
we're
coming
to
the
conclusion
errs.
Meteor
people
come
a
conclusion.
The
system
is
unreliable
because
of
I,
don't
know
what
the
report
is
or
what
the
log
is
or
what
it
is
that
the
reporter
has
again
it's
context.
One
person,
if
that's
the
case,
made
a
comment
about
the
reliability
of
the
system
based
on
what,
based
on
one
incident
based
on
one
frozen
bogie
based
on
what
John
has
explained
has
happened.
N
I
have
a
hard
time
accepting
that
if
I
could
see
the
report,
if
someone
would
give
me
that
report,
we
could
provide
counsel
with
a
fair
context
in
terms
of
what
was
that
in
relation
to?
Is
it
a
broad
system
based
who
was
the
person
that
did
it
and
what
level
and
under
what
basis
of
information
or
expertise,
do
they
have
to
be
able
to
make
that
conclusion?
I'd
love
to
do
that,
then
we
could
give
you
a
fulsome
answer
in
response
to
what
what
is
our
comment
about?
H
Just
don't
understand
why,
if
it's
an
internal
memo,
that's
issued
on
daily
basis,
you
they're
not
available
to
you,
but
I
want
to
move
on
in
the
interest
of
time.
I
heard
Matthew
mr.
Manku
talk
about
the
insurance
policy,
which
is
the
p3,
but
my
issue
with
that
is
the
insurance
ends
the
day
we
take
on
the
risk-
and
my
worry
is
if
we're
taking
on
a
system
that
this
concerns
about
winter
operations,
and
we
can't
test
it
in
winter
conditions.
How
do
we
have
the
confidence
of
taking
that
risk
for
the
taxpayers
again.
N
Mr.
mayor,
the
risk
does
not.
The
insurance
does
not
end
when
we
take
over
the
system.
The
RTM,
the
maintenance
company,
that's
being
formed
by
RTG
after
we
take
over
the
system,
was
fully
responsible
to
make
sure
they
can
maintain
service,
make
sure
they
repair
the
trains.
As
mr.
Marconi
went
through
the
entire
process,
they
have
the
entire
risk
to
make
sure
our
system
runs
and
it
runs
reliably
every
day.
That's
their
responsibility.
The
insurance
is
actually
even
better
after
we
actually
take
the
system.
H
J
So
the
front
of
the
vehicles
has
a
as
a
coupler
cover
on
it
that
coupler
cover
needs
to
be
manually
removed
using
a
tool
so
that
so
two
couple
two
vehicles
together.
If
you
have
two
singles
and
the
covers,
are
on
both
end,
you
need
to
get
you
know
a
maintainer
down
onto
the
track
too,
to
remove
those
couple.
J
Coupler
covers
and
set
the
vehicle
up
for
coupling,
so
is
it
automatic
in
the
sense
of
you
know,
other
systems
that
I've
worked
on
fully
driverless
fully
automatic
coupling
even
on
those
systems,
we've
been
to
supervised
coupling
on
this
system.
You
know
because
it's
driver
based
because
you
need
to
get
down
on
the
ground
and
actually
take
off
the
covers
this.
The
idea
that
it's
fully
automatic
coupling
is
not
really,
you
know,
true
as
compared
to
a
driver,
the
system
where
you
actually
do
remotely
from
a
computer
command
and
control
automatic
coupling
so.
I
You
know
that's
a
great
question,
mr.
mayor.
This
is
where
the
experts
come
in.
If
you've
run
railroads,
don't
decouple
trains,
you
decouple
trains,
your
connection
gets
broken
and
that's
where
your
risk
occurs,
and
so
we're
gonna
have
our
double
trains
coupled
99.9
percent
of
the
time
we're
not
getting
into
decoupling.
Mr.
Lau
has
a
requirement
to
show
that
they
we
can
decouple
if
we
choose
to
or
if
he
has,
to
split
a
train
to
get
service
back
up
and
running
and
so
forth.
I
I
H
I
I
I
H
I
Those
those
bus
drivers
give
them
full
credit,
they're
sticking
with
us.
They
know
we
have
been
clear
with
them
in
the
future
if
we
do
hire
more
drivers
through
retirees
and
so
forth,
it's
good
for
them
to
have
a
really
good
track
record
and
attendance
and
performance
and
so
forth.
So
we
are
not
losing
drivers.
It
is
a
difficult
market
to
recruit
new
drivers,
there's
a
shortage
of
drivers
and
industry
as
a
whole
and
for
those
that
are
getting
displaced.
I
We
we
have
great
working
relationships
going
on
right
now,
with
Sto
Kingston,
Toronto
and
Montreal
for
those
bilingual
communities.
If
we
have
bilingual
drivers
that
get
let
go
we're
going
to
transition
them
over
if
they
want
to
do
that
and
for
the
other
unilingual
operations,
where
we
know
that
there's
going
to
be
opportunities
for
them,
so
we're
taking
care
of
them,
they've
been
taking
care
of
us
and
our
customers.
H
K
Thank
You
mr.
mayor,
as
I
said,
my
level
of
confidence
was
was
was
predicated
on.
Fleet
availability.
I
was
always
quite
confident
with
everything
you
know
anything
construction
related
safety
assurance
that
was
that
was
well
under
control,
as
mr.
mank
Oni
showed
just
the
last
week,
or
so,
where
we've
had
about
eight,
almost
18,000
kilometers
700
hours.
We
showed
that
consistency
we're
building
on
that
now,
even
so.
So
since
early
last
week,
we've
consistently
can
be
getting
vehicles
out
and
their
stay
on
the
line
are
our
supplier,
Alstom
has
stepped
up.
K
We
have
insets
you
vehicle,
Tech's,
keeping
them
on
the
line,
so
we're
not
troubleshooting
in
the
yard
anymore.
If
there
is
an
issue
or
troubleshooting
on
the
line
at
the
station,
so
keeping
the
vehicles
going
so
that
that
in
itself
has
up
my
confidence
because
we're
keeping
the
vehicles
on
the
track
and
that's
key-
that's
key
for
on-the-job
training.
That's
key
for
getting
close.
K
The
whole
track
we've
been
testing
end
to
end
for
well,
as
as
we
said
for
for
a
long
time,
but
the
running
that
we've
been
doing
the
last
week.
That's
completely
end-to-end
full
loop
and,
as
mr.
Mahoney
said,
simulating
simulating
a
full
run.
Twenty
three
and
a
half
minutes
stopping
at
each
station
opening
and
closing
all
the
doors.
H
K
H
H
M
Thanks
for
the
information
and
thanks
to
my
colleagues
for
many
good
questions
on
the
subject
already,
one
of
your
comments
earlier
was
that
you've
been
accused
of
abandoning
OC,
Transpo
riders,
and
you
say
that
that's
that's
a
bit
harsh,
but
I'm
gonna
tell
you
that
the
OC
Transpo
riders
are
feeling
abandoned,
because
I'm
hearing
loud
and
clear
that
you
know
the
changes
that
were
made
to
the
schedules
back
on
September
2nd
were
pretty
harsh
on
them.
They
were
done
in
anticipation.
M
It
was
always
tied
in
with
this
project
and
and
of
course,
this
has
been
delayed,
delayed
and
and
I
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
you're
now
realizing
that
the
route
11
that's
my
best
example
of
this
is
is
worth
bringing
back
and
I'm
really
appreciate
that
very
very
much.
However,
people
are
waiting
and
they're
waiting
to
find
out
a
date
and
it's
really
hard
on
them.
This
is
something
that
they
rely
on
daily
and
at
this
point
we
don't
have
any
answers.
I
want
to
know
in
terms
of
the
handover
date.
M
What
kind
of
lag
do
we
have
here
in
terms
of
where
we
can
say
you
can
get
on
your
bus
and
go
to
Bayshore?
What,
when
you
get
your
hand
over
date?
Are
you
going
to
give
us
a
date
fairly
quickly
in
terms
of
this
is
now
our
date
of
when
we're
going
to
start
the
schedule
I
want
to
get
an
idea
to
what
I
can
tell
people.
I
Yes,
certainly
what
we've
articulated
for
the
last
year
so
now
the
plan
is
once
they
achieve
RSA,
so
they
flip
it
over
to
us.
We
need
a
couple
of
weeks
to
do
some
final
testing
and
and
orientation
and
so
forth.
So
we've
always
said
within
a
month
of
that
RSA
date
we
would
launch
and
the
overlay
that
I'm
now
putting
on
to
it.
I
Well,
counselor
I'm,
not
seeing
anything
right
now
that
says
it's
gonna
go
beyond
q2,
based
on
what
what
we've
heard,
but
part
of
the
reason
why
I
want
to
do
the
I
want
to
see
their
line
of
sight
as
to
what
date
they're
giving
us
is
for
exactly
that
reason
and
I
know
he's
probably
not
going
to
cut
public
comment
today,
but
mr.
Lewis
gets
reminded
by
every
single
day
that
I
have
23.
M
And
I'd
like
to
remind
mr.
Lodge
that
the
people
that
are
relying
on
these
decisions
may
not
even
use
the
LRT
the
this
is
to
do
with
routes
that
are
right
in
their
own
neighborhood
and
they're,
very,
very
important
to
them
and
they've
been
affected.
My
question,
my
next
question
is
in
regards
to
the
big.
The
biggest
part
of
the
hold
back
I
was
going
by
the
stations
this
morning.
Looking
at
them,
trying
to
figure
out
did
they
look
like
they're,
ready
and
I'm
trying
to
figure
out?
Is
this
the
delay?
K
Thank
You
mr.
mayor,
so
as
this
term
I
only
showed
in
a
slide
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
the
stations
the
stations
are
all
occupancy,
ready,
with
the
exception
of
two
of
the
underground
stations
and
say
LA
and
San
Juans,
only
waiting
on
the
final
F
gas
test
for
the
tunnel
ventilation
system
which
which
I
mentioned
so
the
stations
aren't
the
holdup.
The
issue
right
now,
as
I
mentioned,
is
just
consistent
fleet
availability
and
consistent
and
reliable
running
of
the
vehicles
and
we're
definitely
converging
in
that
direction.
Okay,.
J
J
Having
said
that,
it's
it's
kind
of
interesting
that
if
we
go
back
to
the
very
beginning
and
look
at
when
the
train
was
supposed
to
be
turned
over
in
September,
we
would
not
have
had
I'm
going
to
use
the
term
opportunity
in
quotes
to
see
the
potential
issues
around
the
winter
storm
that
we
experienced.
We
would
have
had
a
service
in
or
train
and
service,
rather
with
with
real-life
passengers,
not
sandbags
that
we
would
have
had
to
have
dealt
with
so
in
a
weird
kind
of
way.
J
J
I
have
a
number
of
questions,
though
around
that
and
and
before
I
go
there
sitting
here.
Today
is
a
little
bit
like
watching
our
staff,
shadowboxing
they're
being
asked
to
respond
to
allegations
from
an
unknown
document
from
an
unnamed
source
who
performance.
We
don't
know
what
role
in
the
LRT
project
and
that's
difficult
to
do
and
having
said
that,
I
think.
J
The
information
that
you
provide
us
today
in
the
slideshow
will
be
very
helpful
and
I
was
happy
to
see
you've
shared
it
with
us
already
so
two
counts
returnees
point:
we
can
get
some
of
that
information
out
to
the
residents,
so
there
is
a
counterbalance
to
the
to
the
stories
that
are
out
there
floating
around
as
to
what
the
situation
is
from
the
city's
perspective.
So
I,
thank
you
for
that.
I
still,
don't
think
we
have
the
full
story.
We
still
don't
have
an
end
date.
J
So
one
of
the
questions
I
wanted
to
ask-
was
there
been
a
number
of
councillors
have
raised
the
issue
about
about
modifications
to
the
Train
and,
and
one
of
the
questions
was
well.
The
gearbox
is
on
the
outside
of
the
Train,
and
the
question
was
you
know:
do
we
see
that
in
other
winter
challenged
climates
and
so
the
question
they
have
for
you?
Mr.
McCarney
issue,
you
raised
the
the
fact
that
the
city
had
partnered
with
the
NRC
to
do
winter
testing.
J
K
K
You're
right,
yes,
it's
it's
it's
completely
protected
and
to
answer
your
question:
when
we're
doing
the
climatic
chamber
test
at
the
NRC,
we
were
cycling
and
the
gearbox
was
working.
The
only
reason
we
had
this
one
off
with
the
gearbox
was
because
we
had
a
train
stuck
in
the
snow
for
three
days:
no
power,
no
heat
so
the
same
way
as
if
in
but.
J
I
I
K
So
we
have
a
very
rigorous
testing
regime
and
we
go
through
its
it's
a
very
detailed
schedule
which
we've
shared
with
the
city
and
we
review
on
a
weekly
basis,
in
addition
to
a
w3
load,
testing,
speed,
test
and
and
so
forth.
One
of
them
was
the
climatic
chamber
test
and
we
passed
all
the
tests
and
we
have
a
certification
to
testing
to
that.
J
K
Yes,
some
of
them
were
implemented.
Some
of
them
had
to
do
with
better
seals
on
the
windows
and
the
cab.
Some
of
them
have
to
do
with,
with
with
the
tighter
closure
of
the
doors.
So
we
got,
we
received
a
list
from
the
NRC,
we
received
recommendations,
and
then
we
looked
at
them
and
then
based
on
their
merit
where
they're
implemented
them
or
parked
them.
Sorry,
what
was
the
last
part
of
that?
So
if
we
either
implemented
them,
if
they
had
merit
cry,
if
not,
we
we
parked
them.
J
I
So
I'll
just
use
the
seal
as
an
example.
There
was
one
window
I
believe
that
water
was
penetrating
with
intense
storm
conditions,
and
that
was
part
of
the
seal
fix
that
was
work,
the
defroster
on
the
vehicle,
so
we're
talking
about
that
daily
log.
I'm
sure!
That's
on
that,
because
we
had
operators
complaining
for
weeks
on
and
during
our
very
cold
winter
that
the
defroster
was
in
keeping
up.
That's
been
retro
fide.
There
was
heater
cab
issues
and
so
forth.
So,
yes,
we
have
a
vehicle
experts
full-time
on
overseeing
this
we've.
I
J
And
I'm
glad
you
talked
about
the
experts
again
and
that
you've
reached
out
to
people
in
New,
York
and
Chicago
and
Boston,
because
all
you
have
to
do
is
google
any
of
the
those
train
lines
add
in
the
word
winter
storm
and
you're
going
to
see
headline
after
headline
about
how
they've
they've
had
challenges.
They've
had
delays
or
they
they've
trains
have
stopped
or
what-have-you
because
of
the
weather
were
we're
a
winter
country
and
that's
something
that
we'd
prefer
not
to
deal
with,
but
we
need
to
deal
with,
which
leads
to
my
next
question.
J
Mr.
Louch
or
mr.
van
Coney
are
both.
You
would
indicate
it
you're
now
responding
to
a
winter
event
in
a
different
way
than
you
originally
planned.
So,
and
we
saw
a
picture
of
the
melter,
for
example,
that
you've
now
got
in
service
and
available.
Can
you
tell
us
what
other
lessons
you
learn
from
that
storm
event
and
what
different
approaches
you're
going
to
use
when
the
trains
in
service
should
we
have
another
significant
winter?
In
that
winter
event,.
K
Thank
you,
Miss
America,
so,
in
addition
to
testing
vehicles,
excuse
me,
in
addition
to
testing
additional
snow
clearing
equipment
this
past
weekend.
We've
also
done
a
complete
survey
of
the
line
when
we
had
the
storm
after
the
last
big
one,
we
deployed
maintenance
staff
to
all
the
stations
along
all
the
guideway.
We
took
a
look
at
SMO
fencing.
We
took
a
look
at
the
the
encroachment
of
the
snow
banks
if
we
need
to
revise
that
with
with
new
equipment,
we've
also
have
a
maintenance
contractor.
Alston
is
also
one
of
our
maintenance
contractors.
K
We
work
together
with
them
to
look
at
additional
resources,
and
these
are
all
built
up
and
we
have
we're
issuing
a
revised
winter
maintenance
plan
in
mid
April.
In
the
meantime,
we've
been
working
with
the
city
on
a
regular
basis.
There
was
a
meeting
again
yesterday
what
we're
looking
at
opportunities
for
improvement
and
those
opportunities
are
being
implemented
into
the
into
the
new
winter
maintenance
plan.
Okay,.
J
Mr.
Mahoney's
question
for
you,
in
light
of
coordinating
with
those
other
cities,
have
it's
similar
experiences?
Is
there
something
in
the
proposed
new
plan
that
other
cities?
That's
a
rather
that's
not
in
the
proposed
new
plan
that
some
of
those
other
sort
of
Eastern
northern
type
cities
are
our
deal
used
to
deal
with
a
storm
when
it
happens
so
things
you
would
like
to
see
in
the
plan
that
are
not
in
mr.
watch's
plan
now.
I
I
believe
it's
all
trending
in
the
right
direction
and
the
the
feedback
from
our
experts
and
their
staff
has
been
good
and
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
it's
not
just
the
city
and
our
experts
telling
our
T
G
they've
been
very
innovative
on
their
own
dime
I
might
add,
bringing
in
some
winter
mitigation
measures
while
we're
focused
on
the
vehicles.
It
was
our
TG
that
came
to
us
and
said
they
wanted
to
move
to
full
heated
platform
so
that
there's
no
buildup
of
snow
and
ice
on
the
platforms
and
to
their
credit.
I
They
did
that
that
that
means
less
maintenance.
That
means
less
risk,
less
ice,
buildup
and
so
forth.
They
also
did
modifications
to
the
apron
approach
at
Ottawa.
You
wear
the
deep
tunnel
entrances.
That's
got
a
melter
incorporated
to
that.
So
they've
been
done,
a
lot
of
good
things
and
my
staff
and
the
consultants
and
mr.
louses
RTM
staff
went
down
to
Boston
and
saw
their
operation
firsthand,
because
I
have
a
lot
of
key
contacts
down
there
and
also
the
former
staff
members
that
helped
Boston
recuperate
and
buy
new
equipment
and
resources
for
that
big
storm.
G
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
pick
up
on
something
that
you
said
earlier.
Mr.
McCarney
said
so
I
think
counselor
Cavanaugh
was
asking
whether
or
not
you
were
confident
that
this
was
going
to
be
delivered
in
q3,
you
and
q2,
and
you
said,
given
what
you
are
told.
I
thought
that
you
had
some
independent
consultants
down
watching
the
progress
of
the
work.
Sorry.
G
I
I
I
G
I
Nine
critical
elements
that
I
went
through
if
he
addresses
all
of
those
and
all
he's
left
with,
is
the
vehicles
which
are
trending
well
right.
Now
he
will
be
in
very
good
shape
to
to
land
this
in
q2
of
20:19
he's
going
to
give
us
his
plan,
we'll
bring
our
experts
in
we'll
review
that
plan
and
then
we'll
be
able
to
articulate
back
to
you
what
we
believe
his
new
data
is
and
whether
we're
confident
in
that.
I
I
Brought
it
in
I
believe
was
two
years
ago
and
I
was
not
in
charge
of
the
file
and
I'm,
not
critiquing
or
criticizing
that
they
should
have
been
brought
in
earlier.
It's
an
innovative
approach.
It
hasn't
been
done
anywhere
else
on
p3s
I've
other
jurisdictions
that
are
either
doing
p3s
or
contemplating
p3s
are
looking
at
doing
the
same
thing
and
on
lessons
learned
for
stage
two.
We
are
gonna
have
the
same
thing,
and
even
additional
oversight
and
dependent
assessment
to
do
a
look
ahead
on
things
like
that.
F
You
mayor
sorry,
mr.
Cadillac
host
has
raised
a
really
important
point
that
I,
don't
think,
has
enough
mainstream
awareness
among
residents
in
Ottawa
the
financial
penalties
that
RT
g
has
incurred
as
a
result
of
missing
the
deadline.
You
know
a
couple
of
million
dollars
really
pale
in
comparison
to
the
costs
that
you're
undertaking
having
not
been
paid,
the
milestone
payment
so
you're
bridging
that
you
don't
need
to
tell
us
how
much
you're
paying,
but
we
can
make
some
assumptions
and
it's
a
it's
a
fairly
significant
amount.
F
K
I
I,
just
I
don't
want
to
answer
for
mr.
Laos,
but
let's
be
clear,
while
we
may
have
disputes
on
who
owes
who
what
money?
Mr.
Lao
has
been
a
hundred
percent
of
line
that
he
is
gonna
give
us
the
system,
the
2.1
billion
dollar
system.
So
I
just
want
mr.
Lao
to
correct
what
he
just
said
there,
because
there's
disputes
on
change,
orders
and
things
like
that
that
I
all
get
handled
through
the
project
agreement,
but
I've
never
heard
art.
I
F
That's
that's
critical
to
understand
is
that
there's
no
contemplation
of
asking
for
any
relief
of
any
of
the
provisions
of
the
PA
in
order
to
get
RSA
to
to
achieve
or
to
be
able
to
get
more
milestone
payments.
So
that's
that
is
comforting
to
hear
and
then
again,
I
I
think
the
amount
of
money
that
RTG
is
likely
paying
out
to
bridge
in
the
absence
of
the
milestone
payments
is
very
success.
Very
significant
may
I
just
ask
mr.
Raj
what
is
our
TGS
commitment
to
completing
this
project.
K
We
have
a
contractual
obligation
to
complete
the
project
and
we're
committed
and
I
think
our
efforts
have
proven
that
we've
not
once
we've
not
once
not
taking
own
taking
ownership
of
any
of
the
issue
and
we
continued
to
to
to
move
along
towards
the
Revenue
Service
availability
availability
date.
Fantastic.
That.
G
K
Thank
You
mr.
mayor,
but
to
date
we
haven't
seen
an
issue
with
with
ice
buildup
on
the
catenaries,
but
they
are
designed
to
take
ice
buildup
load.
They
are
a
temperature
sensitive
system.
If
you've
been
out
on
the
line,
you
see,
there's
counter
weights
throughout
and
those
get
automatically
adjusted
and
they're
also
adjusted
seasonally.
So
it's
something
that
we're
monitoring,
but
today
we've
not
had
an
issue
and
so.
I
Some
of
the
best
practices
learned
lessons
learned
out
of
Boston
is,
if
you,
even
though
you
shut
down
the
system
at
night,
you
would
keep
a
number
of
trains
running
so
that
you
avoid
the
build-up.
You
don't
go
to
ice
cutting
blades.
Those
have
not
worked
well,
so
you
just
keep
the
trains
running
up
and
down
a
minimal
number
of
fleets
and.
G
So
during
those
snowstorms
that
are
happening
overnight
and
you're
gonna
have
vehicles
running
overnight
to
avoid
buildup,
etc.
What
kind
of
risk
does
that
put
on
because
the
system's
supposed
to
be
shut
down
at
night
for
maintenance?
So
what
kind
of
risk
does
that
pose
from
a
maintenance
perspective
like?
Would
we
expect
to
be
short
trains,
the
next
service
day
or.
I
G
I
G
I
That's
a
good
question:
it's
not
the
bus
count.
It's
logistics
count
on
its
logistics
detail
associated
with
the
routes
and
that's
the
piece
that
I've
challenged
Pat
on
and
so
far
he
hasn't
been
able
to
unlock
that
one
there.
So
it's
not
about
bus
shortage
availability,
because
what
we
would
do
if
we
could
I
would
bridge
it
with
some
of
those
vehicles
that
were
getting
rid
of
and
hang
on
to
some
operators.
If
we
needed
to
and
that's
what
I
was
discussing
with
Pat
last
week,
because
again
all
of
you
are
asking
for
that.
J
G
And
then
going
back
to
councillor
judas
and
the
the
417
which
I
you
know,
we've
talked
about.
Quite
often,
it
doesn't
appear
to
be
in
very
good
shape.
The
ramp
and
so
I'm
I
doubt
that
if
the
Train
were
to
open
tomorrow
it
would
be
usable
or
do
we
know
from
MTO
what
the
plan
is
to
rehabilitate
that
and
what
kind
of
lag
time
there
might
be
or
if
there
is,
if
there
the
lag
time
a.
I
L
Thanks
thanks
mr.
maryk
just
very
quickly
the
the
five
million
dollars
in
changes
that
we
were
going
to
put
into
service
as
of
I,
guess
April
1st
or
when
when
the
line
would
be
running.
Maybe
the
end
of
April.
We're
gonna
get
some
time
back
on
that
now,
so
the
cost
may
not
be
as
high
as
5
million
in
total.