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Finance and Economic Development Committee meeting – September 10, 2018 - Audio Stream Part 2 of 2
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A
In
our
case,
we
have
the
above-ground
and
the
underground.
The
second
is
the
corridor
itself,
which
is
made
up
of
the
track,
the
overhead
catenary,
the
power
stations
and
the
signals,
and
then
the
third
is
the
control
system,
which
is
the
brain
that
operates
the
entire
system
and
then,
lastly,
is
the
vehicles.
So,
with
respect
to
overall
construction.
Update
of
the
station's
I
can
confirm
that
at
the
east,
so
from
Blair
to
Ottawa
you
things
are
nearing
final
occupancy
and
wood
there
just
into
fit
and
final
finishes
and
they've.
A
Actually
looking
at
mobilizing
cleaners
to
get
everything
polished
up
and
finished
up
with
respect
to
the
underground
stations.
Reto
continues
to
be
the
station
that
were
carefully
monitoring.
It
has
some
work,
some
significant
amount
of
construction
work
and
mechanical
electrical
still
remaining
to
be
done,
so
we're
watching
that
and
then
Parliament
and
Lyon
are
nearing
completion
and
RTG
has,
and
we've
seen
the
data
they've
added
resources
to
to
those
stations
and
some
additional
oversight
to
to
ensure
that
they
move
forward
in
the
West.
A
There's
been
good
progress,
particularly
in
the
last
month,
or
so
with
respect
to
those
above-ground
stations.
So
Pema
see
baby
you
and
Tenney's
there
they're
progressing
well,
and
they
also
have
a
plan
to
undertake
testing
and
commissioning
concurrently
in
the
remaining
stations
that
have
construction
activities,
both
the
above-ground
and
the
underground
so
very
quickly,
just
some
slides
in
the
East
End
these
stations,
as
you
can
tell,
are
finished
all
the
elements
are
there.
All
the
passenger
facing
elements
are
also
there,
the
exterior
landscaping
you
could
drive
by
them.
Many
of
them
are
nearing
completion
center.
A
Tremblay
station
same
thing,
active
testing
going
through
that
you
can
see
the
finishes
that
are
completed
there
and
saying
with
herd
members
all
a
significant
landscape
component
with
urban
station.
Just
if
you
see
some
missing
panes
of
glass,
that
is
intentional,
those
are
access
ports,
they
keep
those
open
to
move
equipment
in
and
out
and
final
materials
police
station
same
thing
and,
as
I
mentioned
early
on
you're,
going
to
start
to
see
these
get
polished
up
from
a
cleaning
for
opening.
You
Ottowa
lots
of
work
being
done
there
a
lot
of
work
on
railings.
A
As
you
can
see,
the
temporary
ones
are
being
replaced
by
permanent
fixtures
that
machine
on
the
left.
That's
called
prep
tech
that
prepares
the
surfaces
for
their
final
treatment.
So
and
then
you
can
see
the
lighting.
That's
on
some
people
ask:
why
is
the
lighting
on
during
the
they
spread?
The
testing
and
commissioning
of
all
the
amenities
within
the
station
with
respect
to
the
underground
stations
are
going
to
start
off
with
Rito?
This
shot
is
a
shot
of
the
Rideau
station.
It's
massive.
As
you
know,
this
is
a
temporary
scaffolding
system.
A
That's
been
in
place,
it
does
two
things:
it
enables
all
the
activities
and
construction
activities
to
continue
concurrently,
as
we
want
to
start
testing
in
the
tunnel
with
trains,
and
the
other
thing
it
does
is:
there's
a
short
piece
of
catenary,
so
the
overhead
power
distribution
system
to
the
trains
that
is
suspended
from
this
scaffolding,
but
that
gives
you
an
indication
of
some
of
the
work.
That's
remaining
to
be
done.
The
scope
and
scale
of
what's
left
to
do
in
Rito
station
Parliament
on
the
floor.
Those
tiles
are
all
done.
A
That's
protective
plywood
on
there
same
with
the
columns
to
the
left.
That
is
a
large
array
of
the
lion
same
thing
flowing
is
done.
Those
columns
are
complete.
They
just
insert
LED
lighting
where
those
slots
are
and
then
there's
you
can
tell
they're
doing
the
final
ceiling
panels.
Elevators
up
and
running
so
lion
is
approaching
that
final
completion
piece
with
respect
to
the
west.
You
have
Pema
see
that
is
undergoing
extensive
landscaping.
You've
seen
a
lot
of
shots.
That
I
would
say.
A
Oh
people
are
tweeting
out
in
terms
of
the
scope
in
the
scale
and
how
it's
set
up
for
the
future,
build
around
that
great
location
same
with
Bayview
that
landscaping
that
you
see
them
working
on
that
was
just
last
week.
That's
all
been
completed
and
again
some
of
those
open
glass
panels
are
for
access
for
materials
and
final
things
that
they
need
in
the
station's.
A
Tenney's
pasture,
you
get
to
see
the
cameras
there,
some
the
signage,
the
skylight,
that's
forms
part
of
the
outwork,
and
if
you
go
by
there
at
an
evening
times,
you'll
generally
see
two
vehicles
parked
in
that
location.
The
next
element
is
the
corridor
itself,
and
it
contains
the
track
that
you
see
here
the
overhead
catenary
power
stations.
You
see
those
distributed
throughout
the
corridor
and
signals
that
has
all
been
completed
so
end-to-end.
A
All
those
elements
are
done
with
respect
to
the
real
piece
that
just
gets
swapped
out
as
part
of
the
final
final
finish
once
that
scaffolding
comes
down
next
in
terms
of
the
railroad
build,
is
the
communication
based
train
control
system
and
it's
the
system
that
controls
the
Train
it.
It
is
the
brain
of
the
entire
system.
It's
highly
sophisticated.
It's
been
used
around
the
world,
it's
by
Tallis
I've
mentioned
that
to
you
before
and
it's
critical.
It's
like
the
human
brain.
It
provides
all
the
functionality
to
to
the
railroad.
A
The
path
to
Revenue
Service
requires
that
we
pay
critical
attention
and
focus
on
the
commissioning
of
the
CB
TC
and
all
the
other
systems,
as
they're
vital
to
completion
of
the
delivery
of
this
program.
It's
hidden
from
view.
I
know
the
public
can't
see
it,
but
it
is
essential
to
the
safe,
reliable
operation
of
the
system,
and
it's
made
up
of
the
following
components
that
all
work
together.
There's
a
system
in
train
controllers,
so
there's
the
overall
system
controllers
and
then
there's
controllers
within
the
individual
trains.
A
I'll
show
you
a
picture
of
that
in
a
moment.
There's
what's
called
zone
controllers,
the
network
is
broken
into
zones
and
then
there's
the
automatic
train,
supervision
or
ATS.
That's
what
gets
fed
into
the
control
system
so
that
we
can
see
the
active
movement
of
all
trains
and
we
know
where
every
train
is
all
the
time
in
operation
of
what
schedules.
So
this
is
the
schematic
I've
used
this
in
the
past
and
it
shows
all
those
elements
and
how
they
they
connect
together.
A
A
Spaced
apart,
it
gives
you
the
latitude
in
the
future,
to
increase
your
service
levels,
your
head
ways,
so
the
time
between
trains
and
so
forth,
so
that
computer,
that
computer
system
is
doing
a
lot
of
things
behind
the
scenes.
It
is
proven
technology.
It
is
used
around
the
world
and,
as
you've
probably
heard
about
new
york
city
in
toronto
and
some
of
the
older
systems
they're
all
converting
to
these
systems,
so
they
have
older
systems
that
doesn't
give
them
the
flexibility
that
we
have
you're
getting
state-of-the-art.
A
There's
a
four
step
process
to
commissioning
a
complex
piece
of
systems.
They'll
like
this
there's
what's
called
system
integration
testing
are
all
the
parts
talking
to
each
other.
There's
system
acceptance,
so
the
vigorous
acceptance
protocols,
it's
it's.
It's
standard
engineering
protocol,
both
from
a
computer
perspective
and
a
railroad
operation
perspectives
and
there's
what
are
called
safety
cases.
So
you
need
to
ensure
that
the
trains
can
do
everything
that
they're
designed
to
do
under
various
safety
scenarios
and
then
there's
trial
operations.
A
Now
the
fourth
element
of
the
railroad
is
the
trains,
and
that
is
what
people
see
they're
critical,
that's
what
carries
our
precious
most
important
commodity
in
this
whole
program.
That's
our
customers,
and
you
know
we
need
to
ensure
that
our
customers
get
the
trains
and
the
service
that
that
they're
paying,
for
so
the
trains
and
the
cVTC
system
need
to
be
communicating
continuously
throughout
the
entire
corridor.
They
always
have
to
be
in
constant
communication.
A
Unfortunately,
to
date,
not
all
the
trains
are
fully
outfitted
with
this
capability.
We
have
two
that
don't
have
the
computer
modules
that
I'm
about
to
show
you
and
but
once
they
are
outfitted.
Obviously
the
trains
go
through
the
extensive
trial
running
that
I've
talked
about
in
the
past,
and
we
need
to
demonstrate
the
full
capabilities,
communicating
end-to-end
along
the
corridor.
A
Now
this
last
point
is
important.
The
city
requires
all
our
vehicles
to
be
fully
tested
in
Commission.
To
ensure
service
can
be
provided
to
the
level
prescribed
to
the
project
agreement.
That
number
of
34
is
not
a
city
number.
The
way
this
p3
worked
is
you
provided
the
private
sector,
the
service
level
that
we
needed
to
move
ten
thousand
seven
hundred
passengers
per
hour
per
direction.
You've
heard
me
use
that
number
over.
No,
then,
that
is
your
morning
rush
hour
on
your
current
BRT
and
there's
always
folk
a
pavilion
you
expand
in
the
future.
A
Proponents
need
to
come
needed
to
come
back
and
demonstrate
to
this
city
based
on
those
outcome
service
levels,
how
many
vehicles
they
needed
so
that
this
is
an
RTG
number
and
the
way
the
math
works
is
the
following
and
I'll
talk
about
double
conscious.
In
the
moment
we
need
30
vehicles
for
the
morning
rush
hour,
so
vehicle
one
to
30
is
what
we
need
to
maintain
our
service
levels
in
the
morning.
A
31
and
32
is
what
is
called
a
hot
spare
train,
it's
always
on
standby
in
the
event
that
a
vehicle
goes
down
and
you
have
a
spare
no
different
than
athletes,
bus
service
and
then
33
and
34
yrs
are
their
maintenance
spares
that
RTG
has
said
in
order
to
keep
your
fleet
of
30
going
all
the
time
we
need
the
hot
spare
and
we
need
the
maintenance
fare.
So
it
is
their
number
and
we've
been
clear
that
we
need
all
34
vehicles.
A
This
is
an
example
of
some
of
the
control
systems
in
the
Train
highly
sophisticated.
A
lot
of
elements
to
it
and
each
train
has
these
components.
Now
the
testing
and
commissioning
the
trains
in
terms
of
the
status
there
were
we're
able
to
move
in
that
full
automated
mode
between
Blair
and
you
auto
loss.
That's
our
test.
Loop
we've
been
doing
those
tests
along
the
western
corridor,
sort
unease
to
pema,
see
the
trains
are
electrified
and
there's
some
testing
underway
there.
A
You
may
have
seen
that
those
movements,
cVTC
testing
in
the
West,
is
also
commenced
and
there
have
been
some
training
movements
in
the
tunnel
now.
The
full
cVTC
testing
of
those
trains
in
the
tunnel
is
scheduled
to
start
in
the
next
few
weeks
when
were
in
service.
So
in
the
morning
rush
hour
afternoon
rush
hour
throughout
the
day
throughout
the
week,
you
will
see
a
two
car
configuration,
so
those
30
vehicles
translate.
A
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
this
and
I
just
want
to
bring
us
back
to
what
revenue
service
availability
means
and
how
its
defined
it's.
It's
very
important
to
emphasize
revenue
service
availability
is
defined
in
the
contract
that
you
have
signed
with
RTG,
it's
written
it's
in
black
and
white,
it's
a
term
that
they
agreed
to
in
the
contract
and
no
different
than
moving
into
a
new
house.
The
position
the
city
took
which
r2g
agreed
to
is.
It
can
only
be
minor
deficiencies
when
we
move
into
revenue
service.
A
So
that's
substantial
completion
of
all
the
civil
work,
the
mechanical
and
electrical
systems,
delivery
of
all
vehicles,
in
this
case
the
34
that
they
said
they
needed
to
ensure
they
meet
our
service
standards.
All
the
customer
facing
elements,
the
signage,
the
next
train,
announcements,
the
wayfinding
and
so
forth,
and
commissioning
and
overall
system
performance
and
verification.
You'll
recall
I've
been
talking
extensively
about
system-wide
integration
that
is
part
of
the
revenue
service
available
definition.
That's
in
the
contract,
maintenance,
readiness,
so
RTG,
you
recall
morphs
into
our
TM
rito
transit
maintenance
group.
A
They
need
to
demonstrate
to
us
that
they're,
ready
for
maintenance
and
they've
done
a
very
good
job
in
that
regard,
operational
readiness.
Are
they
ready
as
an
organization
to
support
the
system,
safety
and
system
assurance?
We've
talked
about
that
extensively
and
then
there's
sign-off
by
the
safety
auditor.
It
is
not
the
city
safety
auditor.
It's
the
safety
auditor,
that's
been
appointed
to
the
project.
A
Then
there
is
the
independent
certifier,
which
is
also
required
to
issue
a
certificate.
Acknowledging
revenue
service
availability
has
been
achieved.
So
there's
a
lot
of
steps
to
achieving
our
essay
and
it's
enshrined
in
the
contract.
Also,
under
the
terms
of
the
RSA
you've
heard
me,
use
the
term
trial
running
and
I
want
to
share
with
you
the
details
associated
with
that
that's
contained
in
the
contract.
The
objective
of
trial
running
is
to
demonstrate
that
the
complete
integrated
system
works
and
to
end
all
subsystems,
all
personnel
are
there.
A
The
procedures
are
in
place,
so
we
can
confirm
we
can
go
into
revenue
service
and
project
Co.
In
this
case,
RTG
is
required
to
conduct
12
days
of
continuous,
near
perfection
running
to
demonstrate
that
ability
to
us
it's
12
days
of
near
perfection.
They
can
have
some
minor
deviations,
but
we
want
to
see
that
those
double
trains
are
running
end-to-end.
A
Stopping
the
lay
location
opening
announcing
the
next
stops,
everything's
working
skaters
up
and
running,
we
can
do
whatever
is
all
those
things
and
at
the
end
of
the
exercise,
the
integrated
system
is
ready
for
Revenue
Service.
Now
this
bullet
on
the
top
of
page
30
is
important
because
it
relates
back
to
when
I
talked
to
you
about
the
schedules.
Remember
the
preloaded
schedules
that
go
into
the
computer.
We
need
to
see
that
we
can
move
the
passenger
volumes
in
those
regular
and
both
for
peak
and
non-peak
schedules.
A
That's
the
important
of
the
importance
of
the
trial
running
and
the
train
can
now
move
into
service
from
tiny
sub,
where
it
only
moves
into
service
from
Tiny's
to
Blair.
Once
there's
full
testing
commissioning
and
trial
running
is
complete
the
safety
other
signs
off
and
then
we're
ready
for
Revenue
Service.
A
So
the
key
activities
that
we
need
to
carefully,
monitor
and
continuously
push
RTG
on
is
the
Rideau
station,
multiple
trains
operating
in
CBD
c
node,
the
Western
alignment
and
how
things
are
going
there:
visa
vita
vehicles,
the
end-to-end
testing
of
Tiny's
to
Blair,
with
double
conscious
verification
of
all
the
systems,
the
fire
alarms.
The
next
stop
announcements.
All
those
things
safety
assurance
skate,
o
skate
is
very,
very
important.
A
It
feeds
into
the
control
center
all
of
the
system
elements
so
that
in
our
control
center
over
at
cellar,
all
we
know
what's
occurring
throughout
the
entire
corridor
and
full
fleet
operational
testing
and
CBC
cVTC
mode
from
Blaire's
to
Tony's,
and
then,
of
course,
once
the
stations
are
completed,
final
expense,
inspections,
code,
compliance,
fire
inspections
and
so
forth.
So
let's
talk
about
where
our
TG
is
on
the
November,
2nd
date
that
they
provided
to
us
on
February
5th
your
call
on
February
5th.
A
They
advise
the
city
that
it
would
achieve,
RSA
by
November
2nd
and
we
have
been
meeting
with
them
constantly
and
and
being
on
top
of
them
in
terms
of
how
they're
going
to
achieve
that
when
it.
When
are
they
going
to
achieve
it
and
so
forth.
Last
week,
RTG
met
with
the
city
and
they
requested
that
the
city
carve
out
certain
requirements
of
that
RSA
list.
That
I
just
walked
you
through.
A
So
what
our
TG
requested
in
a
carving
out
exercise
that
a
Mott
is
a
modification
to
the
fleet,
size
of
partial
station,
opening
a
burrito
and
reducing
the
requirements
of
the
prescribed
child
running
the
twelve
days
of
consent,
a
consecutive
testing
from
their
project
agreement.
They
also
asked
us
to
consider
partial
line.
Openings
and
soft
starts
some
important
factors
in
our
decision
making.
A
In
this
regard,
number
one
you've
heard
me
say
over
and
over
again
this
is
a
conversion
of
the
busiest
BRT
in
North
America
to
light
rail
an
opening
day,
the
busiest
light
rail
system
in
North
America,
unlike
our
new
LRT
lines
or
line
extensions.
Our
line
is
required
to
handle
the
very
significant
passenger
loads
that
are
currently
using
our
VAR
v
RT
and
the
trial
running
requirements,
which
is
as
I
said
over
repeatedly,
is
the
demonstration
of
the
ability
of
the
system
to
run
and
function.
A
The
way
it
was
designed
from
n
to
n
reliably
handling
our
passenger
loads
at
the
headways
and
the
travel
times,
and
those
are
all
important
things
that
were
included
in
RTG
has
been
so.
Our
position
is
the
following:
we
reviewed,
we
listened
attentively,
we
assessed
we,
we
continue
to
bring
our
extensive
team
of
experts
to
the
table
and
what
they
proposed.
Last
week
we
have
rejected,
based
on
the
following.
A
We
also
said
we
are
not
on
for
the
dilution
of
the
prescribed
child
running
requirements.
It's
clearly
outlined
in
the
PA
and
they've
been
contractually
agreed
to
by
RT
G,
and
it
degrades
our
ability
to
be
assured
that
the
system
will
operate
as
designed
a
risk
were
not
prepared
to
take
with
respect
to
any
partial
station
opening
we
we
are
clear.
We
know
how
our
system
works.
It
will
impact
transfer
points,
the
multimodal
linkages
that
you've
asked
for
it
introduces
confusion
to
our
customers.
A
What
they've
put
forward
transfers
the
risk
to
us
to
the
city,
to
our
taxpayers
and
to
our
customers
on
many
fronts,
operationally
reputationally
and
potentially
lead
to
additional
costs
and
with
respect
to
the
oversight,
I
can
assure
you
that
we
have
had
extensive
and
rigorous
oversight
by
a
comprehensive
team
of
experts,
including
rail
vehicles,
railroad
control
systems,
project
controls,
SCADA
and
so
forth.
Mr.
Krebs
has
assembled
a
team
of
experts
from
day
one
and
we've
been
overseeing
every
single
element
of
the
build
and
their
schedules.
A
In
addition
to
those
resources,
we
brought
in
an
independent
expert
panel
from
across
North
America
of
CEOs
designers,
constructors
and
people
that
have
operated
these
systems
to
to
ask
us
to
assess
the
schedule
and
to
conduct
independent
assessments
throughout
the
project
relating
to
revenue,
service
availability.
So
recall
when
our
TG
kept
saying
you
know
we
can
make
November
we
can,
we
can
make
sure
we
can
make,
may
we
can
make
may
and
we
call
them
out
it's
it's
through
this
oversight
that
we've
been
able
to
do
that
now
on
the
way
home.
A
Last
Friday
I
got
a
call
from
RTG
and
they
notified
us
that
they've
submitted
a
schedule,
not
a
change
in
RS,
a
notice
but
a
schedule
that
they
now
plan
to
achieve
revenue,
service,
availability
by
November
30th.
The
preliminary
analysis.
We
have
to
do
a
deep
dive
on
that
of
that
information
provided
by
them.
Late
Friday
shows
that
all
vehicles
and
testing
commissioning
would
not
be
completed
until
the
new
year.
That's
our
preliminary
assessment
of
it.
A
So,
despite
that
late
Friday
evening
development
and
the
request
of
last
week,
the
assessment
of
when
the
city
would
be
in
a
position
to
enter
Revenue
Service
remains
the
same.
If
they
do
not
achieve
November
2nd,
the
liquidated
damage
fee
of
a
million
dollars
will
be
applied
against
the
next
payment
to
RTG
and
based
on
the
assessment
by
the
city,
its
expert
advisors
and
the
information
that
our
TG
just
recently
provided
to
us.
A
The
cities
of
the
view
that
the
LRT
system
will
not
enter
Revenue
Service
in
2018
and
the
last
independent
assessment
we
conducted
indicated
q1
2019.
Now
that's
before
we
receive
the
information,
late
Friday,
so
protecting
our
investments.
We
will
continue
to
use
every
single
tool
or
disposal
under
the
PA,
including
I,
can
assure
you
that
all
the
remaining
milestone
payments
continue
to
be
deferred.
A
We
are
recovering
our
costs
into
the
project
agreement,
including
ability
matter
deductions
and
the
monthly
service
payments
to
our
team
have
not
been
paid
out
and,
as
part
of
the
p3,
the
city
has
put
in
a
measures
in
place
to
protect
the
taxpayer,
and
these
measures
are
part
of
the
p3
AFP
procurement
model,
which
ensures
taxpayers
are
protected.
Customers
get
the
safe,
convenient
and
reliable
class
world-class
system
they
paid
for
and
RTG
is
responsible
with
the
derivative
system
in
accordance
with
the
project
agreement.
A
B
Certainly
I
think
sorry,
I
think
this
is
very
disappointing
news
and
I
think
probably
a
lot
of
people
I
know
I'm
anyways
I'm,
not
I'm,
pretty
angry.
Actually
right
now
so
I'm
going
to
ask
some
questions
and
I,
probably
going
to
say
some
things
on
August
13th.
We
got
a
memo
outlining
progress
of
the
project
for
mr.
Krebs,
and
certainly
it
indicated
that
we
had
to
continue
to
focus
on
certain
elements
of
the
project,
but
there
wasn't
any
red
flags
or
you
know,
kind
of
big
Oh
My
gods
in
the
memo
I.
B
A
We
saw
some
things
we
did
not
like.
We
spoke
to
RTG
and
last
Tuesday.
They
came
forward
and
put
forward
the
proposal
that
I'm
talking
to
you
about
where
they
carve
out
the
RSA
RTG
has
continued
to
hold
steady
and
firm
and
fast
on.
They
will
make
November
2nd
and
we
called
them
out.
We
did
our
due
diligence
and
said
sewing.
We
are
not
seeing
evidence
and,
as
I've
said
over
and
over
to
them,
I
was
not
waiting
to
November
1st
to
come
and
tell
you
any
bad
news.
A
So
we
saw
the
first
indication
in
end
of
August.
We
forced
them
to
come
in.
They
came
in
and
presented
information.
We
did
not
like
that
and
then
last
Tuesday
they
came
out
with
this
proposal
to
carve
out,
say
and
then
Friday
on
my
way
home
I
think
was
around
6
p.m.
they
then
subsequently
I
gave
me
the
updated
schedule
and.
B
A
Party
independent
assessment
team,
same
team,
that's
been
reviewing
the
entire
project,
that's
the
team
that
helped
me
call
out
RTG
when
I
raise
the
flag
on
May
date,
and
so
is
that
team,
and
it's
done
concurrently
with
us
and
with
RTG.
By
the
way
we
go
ahead.
We've
we
walk
the
entire
line,
we
look
at
stations
and
we
ask
them
pointed
questions
so.
B
A
So
not
to
get
into
too
many
details,
but
I
was
driving
and
I
said.
What's
what
does
November
30
give
me
yeah
because
I
said
unless
it's
every
single
element
of
RSA,
my
story
too
to
fedko
is
not
changing,
and
so
they
said
well,
no,
we
still
have
some
vehicles
that
those
missing
components
and
that
you
can
proceed
without
all
the
vehicles
and
I
said
two
things
number
one:
it's
not
all
about
the
vehicles.
You
know
we
saw
a
redose
street.
B
A
A
You
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
will
have
a
world-class
system,
the
work
they
are
doing,
there's
no
concern
with
work.
I
don't
want
people
to
start
speculating,
you
know,
are
they
fast
tracking
and
safety
and
compromising
the
oversight
that
mr.
crips
has
the
oversight
that
we
have
through
the
certifier?
The
independent
safety
certifier
fired
as
the
safety
assurance
program
very
robust,
build
I
trust
them
with
their
build
I
trust
them
with
the
vehicles.
I
trust
them
with
all-out,
there's
nothing
that
leads
me
to
doubt
them
in
any
respect.
A
In
that
regard,
you
just
have
to
go
and
visit
the
infrastructure
and
see
a
firsthand,
and
also
those
independent
leaders
that
we
brought
here
have
operated
things
like
New,
York,
City,
Boston
and
other
systems.
St.
Louis
they've
been
around
complex
systems.
They've
not
raised
any
flags
to
mr.
crypts
to
myself,
and
you
have
those
layers
of
oversight
embedded
in
the
project
agreement.
So
we
can
trust
them
on
the
build.
I
can't
comment
on
what
motivates
them.
I
suspect.
It's
commercial
issues.
You
have
to
remember.
B
C
D
B
D
B
Mr.
McCauley,
you
said
that
you
know
the
civil
work
at
the
end
was
some
of
the
easiest
stuff
and
not
to
worry
about
that,
etc,
and
you
know
there's
still
some
civil
work
to
do
as
I
understand
it
is
that
work
that
can
be
done
effectively
during
the
colder
winter
months
like
can,
can
concrete
hold
up
if
it's
poured
after
in
the
winter
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
Yes,.
A
I
think
the
the
good
news
on
that
front
is
there's
not
much
of
that
left
to
be
done.
All
the
major
landscaping
and
so
forth
is
done
so
they're
not
into
those
things
that
are
susceptible.
They
will
have
to
heat
their
work
areas
for
their
employees
if
they
need
to
do
fit
ups
in
those
above-ground
stations,
but
those
are
tracking.
A
Well,
it's
really
Rito
is
the
one
that
they've
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do
and
all
the
concrete
is
done
in
the
logistics
on
Rito
for
them
is
complicated
because,
while
we're
doing
active
train
testing-
and
this
is
where
we
grilled
them-
they
need
to
move
material
in
and
out
in
between
our
train
testing
and
so
forth.
So
it's
Rito
is
the
is
a
complicated
one.
Okay,.
A
A
few
things
Stage
two
there's
nothing
that
we
know
of
that.
We
see
that
will
impact
stage
two.
As
you
know,
you've
already
ordered
the
vehicles.
The
msf
expansion
is
well
underway.
The
procurement
is
continuing,
there's
no
dependency
on
do.
We
need
to
be
in
service
to
get
our
stage
two
underway,
so
that
is
fine
and
then
what's
very
important
to
is.
Is
the
customers
is
on
the
bus
service?
A
B
Thank
you,
I'm
glad.
You
mentioned
our
customers
because
you
know
I'm
sure
we've
all
heard
from
our
customers
and,
let's
remember
our
customers-
are
our
neighbors
about
the
impacts
that
we've
seen
and
it
was
always
under
the
understanding
that
they
were
going
to
get
this
amazing
new
system
and
they
were
going
to
get
it
in
the
spring.
And
then
we
asked
for
some
patience
and
they
would
get
it
mean,
fall
and
now
we're
asking
for
even
more
patience
and
I.
B
You
know
I
hope
that
the
cup
hasn't
run
of
over
and
it's
not
just
bus
riders
either.
We
have
to
remember
that
the
the
road
detours
that
have
been
in
place-
for
you
know
in
the
case
of
Elaine's
years,
to
accommodate
this
and
in
fairness,
I
know
that
there's
no
more
route
changes
coming,
but
there
are
other
changes
that
that
might
come.
I
presume
before
the
Train
might
open.
B
Given
we
don't
know
now
and
so
I
would
really
I
would
not
support
changing
fares
until
allergies
open
at
this
point,
if
you
recall,
we
had
changed
the
fare
schedule
to
January
one
implementation,
I'm,
not
sure
that
I
could
support.
Chinjung
fares
in
this
environment,
and
so
mr.
Mehra
I'd
like
to
direct
staff
to
review
the
fare
options,
including
a
delay
in
the
implementation
of
the
Faro
table.
The
new
fare
table
until
LRT
is
ready
to
go
and
I
presume
and
the
clerk's
office
can
correct
me
at
presume.
B
This
is
probably
something
that
needs
to
be
considered
by
the
next
council
so
to
have
that
that
information
and
a
recommendation
back
to
the
next
council
at
the
earliest
opportunity
of
the
new
council,
mr.
mayor,
okay
and
I,
would
also
add
that
staff
identify
a
revenue
stream
for
sure
that
it's
appropriate.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
mr.
mayor.
Thank
you
councillor.
Bleh
just
would
clarify
mr.
Mahoney,
because
I
don't
quickly
redouble
it
it
specifically
with
respect
to
the
trains,
because
for
many
months
on
our
green,
yellow
and
red
progress
chart
the
train
system
of
the
trains.
A
Well,
if
you
look
back
at
the
presentations
I've,
given
you
two
date,
train
production
was
moving
along
very
well.
We
tweeted
out
the
34th
train,
build
and
so
forth
and
again
we
were
surprised
RTG
a
few
weeks
ago,
came
in
and
said
we
have
a
bit
of
an
issue
and
we
asked
what's
the
issue
and
we
were
surprised
to
learn
it's
with
the
train,
build
they.
They
had
parts
that
went
missing
and
it
was
a
range
of
everything
from
the
actual
hard
parts
on
the
train
they
were
able
to.
A
Austin
was
able
to
either
remanufacture
those
parts
or
get
suppliers
to
reroute
components
to
them.
What's
missing
right
now
are
two
critical
computer
systems
that
go
into
the
computer
modules
that
go
into
the
last
two
trains
and
that
are
provided
by
Tallis,
so
in
there
in
contract
with
ortc.
So
the
city
does
not
own
that
risk.
We
do
not
get
into
that
space.
B
A
Correct
we,
as
you
recall,
we
balance
the
transit
budget,
so
it's
a
net
impact
of
zero
and
that's
through
the
old
backs
of
the
RTM
maintenance
period
and
also
the
continuation
of
the
levies
of
they're
charged
for
detours.
That
continues
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
that
and
the
city
manager
has
given
us
direction
to
we're
not
sending
them
in
an
invoice
with
deducting
that
from
the
milestone
payments.
Thank.
B
Think,
mr.
mayor,
so
a
couple
of
comments
and
questions.
First
of
all,
when
you
know
I
have
a
lot
of
sympathy
for
the
remarks
made
by
my
counselor
bleh
and
in
the
direction
that
he's
given
to
review
what
we
might
be
able
to
do
for
our
customers.
I,
fully
support
that
I
think
that's
a
discussion
that
we
need
to
have,
especially
if,
as
you
see
the
suggester
semantics,
only
that
we're
not
going
to
get
service
on
November
30th
we're
probably
not
going
to
get
service
until
sometime
in
2019.
B
B
Users
have
been
more
than
patients
over
the
last
number
of
years
and
what
we've
held
out
for
them
is
it's
going
to
get
better
you're
going
to
have
a
better
system,
a
safer
system,
a
more
efficient
system,
a
cleaner
system,
all
those
things
and
I
do
truly
believe
we
are
going
to
have
that,
but
we're
certainly
not
going
to
have
it
when
we
anticipate
it
we're
going
to
have
it
and
we'll
certainly
not
going
to
have
it
when
they
anticipate
it,
they
were
going
to
have
it.
So
it's
a
good
direction.
B
I
think
we
need
to
have
that.
We
need
to
have
that
discussion
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
to
ease
the
transition
and
and
also
to
ease
the
bad
news
that
were
we're
providing
you
would
you
talked
about
the
fact
that
you've
balanced
the
OC
Transpo
budget,
so
we're
at
a
sort
of
a
sum
0
for
this?
Will
that
that's
for
this
year
does
that
carry
into
next
year
as
well?
All
mister
man
point
does
that.
B
A
The
balancing
of
the
transit
bus
should
you're
quite
right.
Councillor
was
for
this
year
we
bought
or
to
transit
commission
that
we
good
the
work
that
we
have
to
do
based
on
last
Tuesday
and
Friday
evenings
call.
Now,
let's
go
back
and
balance
that
again
for
whatever
comes
in
the
new
year,
but
our
position
is
we're
going
to
continue
to
keep
loving
those
charges
off
of
the
milestone
payments.
Okay,
and
we
cannot
change
and
I'll
use.
B
Just
so
I'm
clear
the
the
changes
that
have
already
been
made,
the
additional
transfers,
even
though
you're
putting
a
whole
you're,
putting
a
hold
on
further
changes
to
the
system,
but
changes
that
you've
made.
This
fall,
for
example,
they're,
going
to
stay
in
place
until
the
train
goes
into
service.
They
are.
A
But
we
need
a
bit
of
breathing
room
because
again
there
was
a
lot
torn
out
of
us
last
week.
I
need
to
go
back
and
meet
with
you'll.
See,
transfer
team
I
need
to
understand
all
this,
but
yeah.
The
current
plan
is
to
hold
it
the
way
it
is
right.
Now
we
don't
want
to
be
flip-flopping
back
and
forth.
The
point
of
any
future
changes
is
that's
when
all
of
the
the
future
transit
transfers
getting
infused
and
obviously
they
can't
be
implemented
until
we
go
to
launch
right.
B
But
I
just
think
that
adds
more
substance
to
the
direction
given,
because
there
are
some
people
out
there
making
those
transfers
in
anticipation
of
the
Train
opening
in
November,
and
now
we're
saying
that's
not
going
to
happen,
we're
still
going
to
expect
you
to
make
those
transfers,
and
so
your
trip
is
going
to
be
different
than
it
used
to
be
and
not
as
good
as
we
promised.
It
was
going
to
be
so
again,
I
think
that
that
adds
to
the
direction
request.
B
So
then
that
that
begs
the
question
for
me:
why
didn't
we
know
if
we
were
on
top
of
them?
As
you
said,
if
we
were
meeting
regularly
is,
is
it
a
question
that
RTG
is
not
telling
us
everything?
Is
it
a
question
that
they're
there
we're
not
asking
the
right
questions
like?
How
do
we
get
to
this
point
if
we're
having
these
regular
meetings?
B
If
we
have
these
oversight
bodies
as
the
experts
from
New,
York
and
Boston
and
everything
else,
looking
at
the
system
and
looking
at
the
development
and
now
we're
finding
out
that
it's
not
going
to
work
on
time
and
we're
finding
out
in
you
know,
let's
just
say:
if
you
go
back
to
the
August
memo,
everything
seemed
to
be
mostly
fine,
no
real
red
flags
and
here
we're
less
than
a
month
later
and
there's
a
lot
of
that
flag.
So
how
do
we
get
there?
Well.
A
I
won't
comment
on
what
our
GG
is
telling
us
and
not
telling
us,
because
I
can't
speculate
and
be
wrong
for
me
to
do
that.
I
can
tell
you.
We
have
not
been
wrong
to
date.
I
think
our
TG
would
have
hoped
that
you
would
have
been
sitting
back
in
May
waiting
for
that
train
to
go
I
think
they're
not
used
to
a
client
that
is
as
insistent
as
I
am
in
the
regard
of
we're
not
going
to
flinch
and
deviate
and
I.
A
Think
if
there's
a
part
of
the
equation
that
perhaps
gets
lost
in
the
optimism
to
get
this
thing
built
is
that
we
need
to
be
perfect
on
day
one.
There
isn't
another
competitor
of
this
system,
we're
full
loads
transfer
over
on
day,
one
so
we're
in
other
builds.
They
may
have
had
clients
that
are
prepared
to
do
soft
openings
or
one
less
entrance
to
a
station
and
so
forth.
We
can't
because
you're
busy
you're
transferring
all
those
loads
live
on
day
one
and
so
does
that
get
lost
in
them.
A
B
B
What
can
you
say
to
us
today
that
you're
taking
steps
have
additional
safeguards
so
that
we
don't
find
out
in
the
first
quarter
of
next
year
that
all
of
a
sudden,
that's
not
going
to
happen
to
the
summit?
So
so,
what
additional
steps
are
you
and
your
team
taking
to
hold
our
T
G's
feet
to
the
fire,
to
make
sure
we're
asking
the
right
questions
and,
more
importantly,
to
make
sure
they're
giving
us
complete
and
full
answers.
A
So
the
first
thing
is
the
parts
for
those
trains.
They
need
to
give
us
an
answer
on
that
one.
We
will
then
take
their
new
schedule
with
which,
when
you
start
this
massive
build
its
pages
and
pages
of
data,
now
we're
down
to
the
critical
five
six
milestones
that
they
need
to
to
build
and
through
the
scheduling,
extroverts
that
we
have
we
look
at.
Can
they
achieve
those
dates,
and
those
builds
in
that
you're
not
tripping
over
on
critical
paths?
How
much
float
time
do
they
have?
How
do
they
get
there?
A
So
we'll
be
back
in
the
room,
looking
through
all
those
elements
and
asking
the
most
questions,
and
they
have
to
give
us
the
evidence
on
how
they
get
to
whatever
date.
They're
choosing
to
pick
I
can
tell
you
verbally
on
Friday,
I
told
them
unless
the
all
of
the
RSA
elements
are
in
there,
November
30th
doesn't
meaning
to
me
so.
B
A
A
That
is
the
objective
that
we
want
to
get
to
knowing
what
we
know
now,
but
perhaps
things
change
after
today
you
know
I'm
sure
they're
going
to
be
looking
to
us
as
to
what
we're
saying
to
you
today
and
what
the
response
is
and
it's
non-negotiable.
We
need
those
trains
that
we
need.
Those
parts
found,
so
they
may
maracas
show
up
with
parts
and
things
may
shift
and
we
we
want
the
train
and
service
just
as
much
as
anybody
else.
A
We
want
the
the
pressure
point,
the
issues
the
stress
over
on
our
customers
in
our
staff.
You
know
I,
have
to
go
back
and
talk
to
Union
leaders
and
talk
about
the
layoffs
and
so
forth.
There's
a
lot
of
things
that
we,
the
city,
have
to
do
as
a
result
of
this,
and
so
the
sooner
the
better,
and
it
is
our
full
force
that
we're
going
to
hold
their
feet
to
the
fire.
A
B
Again,
to
go
back
the
concept
of
carving
out
pieces
and
doing
it
earlier
and
that
sort
of
thing
to
keep
it
as
simple
terms
as
possible.
If
we
take
the
train
system
with
any
of
the
RFC
requirements
outstanding,
it
would
be
a
little
bit
like
buying
a
piece
of
furniture
IKEA
from
the
osdas
department.
You
can't
bring
it
back
and
say:
I
found
another
day.
Another
scratch
we're
done.
Is
that
a
fair
way?
To
sum
it
up,
here's.
A
My
analogy
on
it:
it's
a
great
question
su
you
and
your
spouse
want
to
build
a
house.
You
go
to
a
builder,
you
said:
I,
don't
know
anything
about
houses,
here's
the
size
of
my
family,
here's!
What
I
want
to
do
here.
Some
of
the
amenities
I
want
de
menos
come
back.
You
give
me
a
place
and
a
date
as
to
when
I
can
move
into
that
house
and
it's
fully
complete.
So
they
come
back
and
they
say
based
on
your
family
size
based
on
your
many
deeds.
You
want
an
office
and
so
forth.
A
You
want
Wi-Fi,
you
want
great
appliances,
we're
going
to
build
you
a
four-bedroom
house
and
here's
your
move-in
date.
Move-In
date
arrives
and
they
say,
and
you
go
in
and
say:
well,
the
fourth
bedrooms
aren't
not
available,
but
don't
worry
about
that.
You
don't
need
that.
Fourth
bedroom.
What
about
the
power
me
in
the
kitchen?
It's
not
fully
there
and
some
of
those
stay
there
at
appliances.
I
wanted
in
the
Wi-Fi
is
not
up
and
running.
Just
just
take
that
that
you'll
be
fine.
That's
the
analogy!
I
bring
to
it.
A
You
asked
for
a
four-bedroom
house
fully
equipped
tested,
commissioned
ready
for
you
to
move
in,
and
you
went
to
an
expert
because
you
didn't
have
expertise
in
building
a
home
and
you
knew
you
had
you
needed
you
giving
your
family
signs.
In
your
case,
it's
the
customer
volume.
They
gave
you
the
design,
they
gave
you
the
price
fixed.
They
gave
you
the
testing
and
commissioning,
and
they
said
when
it's
done.
It's
yours.
A
The
only
thing
you
can
come
back
and
talk
to
us
as
about
is
the
odd
scratch
or
the
odd
touch-up
paint,
and
in
this
case
it's
defined
as
minor
deficiencies,
not
a
missing
bedroom,
not
missing
appliances,
not
Wi-Fi,
that's
not
working
and
so
forth,
and
we
have
had
minor
deficiency
discussions
with
our
teaching.
We've
been
very
fair,
very
reasonable,
because
we
do
have
a
great
legal
team
that
reminds
us.
You
got
to
be
reasonable
in
these
things.
Okay,.
D
You,
mr.
mayor
and
M,
as
concerning
my
nose,
I've
been
I've,
wrote
gentle
a
lot
of
questions
and
fortunately
a
lot
of
them
have
been
asked
so
I'm
not
going
to
repeat
that,
but
building
on
what
you're
talking
about
as
far
as
the
staff,
because,
as
we
know,
I
know,
many
of
the
drivers
have
been
talking
to
me
about.
You
know
their
notice
and
stuff
like
that.
I
mean
I'll,
be
interested
for
that
update,
because
I
think
that's
critical.
D
We're
going
to
have
people
that
have
been
available
that
haven't
found
something
else
to
do
and
made
a
commitment.
You
know
when
they
were
anticipating
leaving,
but
my
concern
on
that
as
well
as
we
haven't
likely
been
investing
in
our
fleet
because
we
anticipated
not
needing
as
many
of
them.
So
some
things
everything
like
winter
tires.
You
know
they
and
absolutely.
A
Yes,
you
do,
and
so
I
think
you
know
it's
it's
people
and
the
fleet.
So
on
the
people
we
will
work
with
the
union
leaders
who
have
been
very,
very
good
with
us
and
we'll
move
that
and
you
know,
for
those
unfortunate
employees
of
get.
You
know,
got
a
layoff
notice
that
David's
going
to
change
into
the
new
year
and
we
may
go
month
to
month
or
something
like
that.
We'll
work
with
the
Union
to
sort
that
out
on
the
fleet.
A
We
were
anticipating
to
get
through
the
end
of
the
year
because
we're
in
November,
so
it's
November,
December
and
then
we
dispose
of
the
fleet
we'll
have
to
do
some
things
with
that,
but
I
think
it's
all
manageable
and
again
those
are
all
costs.
Are
we're
going
to
track
and
we're
going
to
add
it
to
the
bottom
line.
So.
D
A
You
find
on
the
D
to
a
cost,
because
it's
analogy
all
nr8
I
think
some
of
the
things
that
we
need
to
do
is
we'll
be
very
selective
on
you
know,
or
deferring
some
of
the
maintenance
on
those
vehicles
that
were
non-essential
a
seat.
That's
ripped
and
those
types
of
things.
So,
but
if
there's
anything
that
we
need
to
do
to
continue
beyond
December,
31st
will
certainly
track
all
that
they.
D
Said
I'm
also
another
counselor
Blair
brought
up
the
stage
too,
and
whether
there
be
a
delay
or
not,
but
I
think
that
that
is
fundamental
to
the
success
of
our
chi
in
our
city,
we've
been
west
of
Tony's.
We've
been
hanging
on
with
bated
breath
where
people
are
excited
now
about
China
coming
out
too
far
ahead
and
going
up
to
Canada
and
it's
critical.
D
So
do
we
have
the
ability
to
stay
on
schedule
with
that
I
mean
and
are
you
concerned
that
we
actually
have
a
deal
or
contract
is
actually
with
our
DG
to
be
the
manager
of
the
next
stage
to
have
confidence
in
that
and,
if
necessary,
can
you
reverse
the
order
of
the
start?
So,
for
example,
you
could
start
the
work
at
baseline.
We
already
have
a
tunnel
underneath
the
station
to
go
that
way.
D
A
Counselor
you're
fine
on
stage
too
there's
nothing,
there's
no
direct
dependency.
That's
going
to
compromise
your
timelines
or
yours,
or
your
issues
there
and
on
the
confidence
of
our
taeju
habits.
I
think
this
helps
bolster
a
position
as
to
what
we
want
for
stage
2
in
terms
of.
Perhaps
they
need
to
bring
in
some
different
approaches
and
personnel.
I
can
tell
you
they're
getting
used
to
our
style
as
a
city
in
terms
of
we
want
what
we
paid
or
paying
for
one.
D
Thing
that
time,
certainly
I'm
finding
out
with
the
work
that
I'm
doing
on
Aven
and
precision
agriculture
and
that
sort
of
thing
that's
unique
to
us
is
our
weather.
Do
you
think
that
there's
a
chance
that
our
the
weathered
extreme
weather
conditions
that
we
have
in
Ottawa
are
a
factor
that
maybe
no
organization
that
has
built
this
sort
of
LRT
of
any
kind
tunnels
etc
has
had
to
deal
with
and
that
that
is
part
of
a
learning
curve
as
well
dee?
A
Don't
think
climate
is
the
issue.
I
think
we
need
to
remind
ourselves
and
I'm.
You
know
I'm,
not
defending
our
T
G,
but
I'm
sympathetic
to
the
following.
They
did
have
a
massive
sinkhole
and
to
their
full
credit
they
did
a
phenomenal
job
of
responding
to
the
restoration
of
that
and
it's
an
what
they
did
there
to
to
get
that
tunnel
reconstructed
and
the
issues
there
again
I'm,
not
speaking
on
their
behalf.
This
is
John
Mahoney,
observing
in
hindsight,
should
they
have
taken
some
time
to
assess.
Could
that
have
caused
some
of
this
delay?
A
I
don't
know,
but
the
weather
I
think
there's
a
bunch
of
offsets
that
gives
them.
Advantages
such
as
we've
got
a
dedicated
right
away,
so
they're
working
unlike
some
of
the
builds
in
Toronto
and
so
forth,
they're
not
in
mixed
traffic
they're,
not
shutting
down
businesses,
they
are
deterring
buses,
but
they've
got
a
dedicated
corridor,
so
that's
much
easier
for
laying
track
and
catenary
and
so
forth.
So
the
weather
contractors
are
used
to
the
weather
and
Ellis
dawn
is
doing
some
of
the
major
civil
on
the
stations
they're
used
to
cold
weather
climate
pieces.
C
Okay,
well
very
much
mr.
Mann
Thank
You
mr.
Marconi,
for
the
presentation
and
I
mean
I
share
the
disappointment
of
people
around
the
table,
but
maybe
I
don't
necessarily
share
the
surprise
as
much
because
I've
been
feeling
for
months.
Just
listening
to
your
monthly
updates,
the
magnitude
of
the
challenge
that
was
facing
our
TGA-
and
maybe
it's
just
because
my
experience
with
the
press
to
implementation,
which
I
recognizes
really
small
potatoes
compared
to
implementing
something
like
this.
C
But
when
you
have
other
systems
that
need
to
work
together
and
be
integrated,
it's
complicated,
it's
very
complex
and
just
watching
the
monthly
updates
I
had
a
strong
feeling
that
this
date
was
not
a
realistic
date.
In
fact,
I've
been
telling
my
constituents
that,
on
the
doorstep,
that,
although
I'm
hopeful
of
my
but
we're
going
to
move
that
date
and
I
very
much
agree
with
your
approach,
we
don't
call
the
most
safe
day.
We
don't
compromise
reliability
of
this
service,
even
if
it
takes
longer
as
disappointing
as
that
is.
C
This
is
a
system
that's
going
to
be
running
in
this
city
for
many
many
years
to
come,
and
it
has
to
be
done
right
and
it
has
to
be
safety
first,
if
it's
going
to
take
longer.
Unfortunately,
maybe
it's
just
the
Presto
thing
in
there,
but
if
it's
going
to
take
longer,
it's
going
to
have
to
take
longer,
but
it
has
to
be
done
right
and
so
I
agree
with
you.
C
But
what
I
see
is
the
domino
effect
that
this
is
going
to
have
on
on
the
city
and
on
the
corporation
and,
of
course,
like
a
lot
of
different
lines,
for
example,
we're
waiting
for
their
transportation
master
plan
to
see
how
traffic
patterns
changed
with
the
train
running
so
now
the
trains
delay.
Presumably
the
TMP
will
get
a
further
delay.
C
A
We
need
to
look
at
the
revised
schedule.
Certainly
we
need
the
year.
Then
we
will
make
some
arrangement
if
we
can
go
month
by
month,
but
it's
complex
right
because
they
do
their
bulking,
as
you
know,
counselor
Dean's,
on
work
and
so
forth.
So
we
have
to
work
all
that
out
with
the
Union
president.
Okay.
A
No
more
route
changes.
What
we
implemented
in
the
fall
schedule
stays
in
place.
The
next.
The
key
message
to
customers
is
that
the
next
route
changes
will
be
the
transfer
points
to
the
to
the
main
hubs
once
the
LRT
open.
So
there's
we're
not
going
to
impose
any
more
changes
to
our
customers
on
routes.
C
A
You
recall,
we
did
have
an
audit
by
mr.
Hughes
and
it
was
along
way.
It
was
all
about.
This
had
talked
about
operational
readiness
and
it
is
those
systems
and
subsystems
that
he
identified
and
remember
find
it
as
a
very
good
process.
Although
subsidence
goes
right
back
to
councillors,
question
you
know
what
were
you
doing
to
make
sure
that
we
knew
about
this
and
all
of
the
systems
worked?
We
have
the
monitoring
programs
in
place.
A
We
have
the
independent
assessment
team,
all
those
things
and
it
has
been
audited
by
Monsieur
dues,
and
he
was
very
pleased
with
all
the
systems
so
that
you
would
did
not
get
to
the
day
before
the
day
before
November,
2nd,
with
a
surprise
on
your
hands.
So
the
early
indicating
system
worked
and
I
said
in
the
past,
I
was
going
to
wait
till
the
last
minute,
so
here
we
are
as
soon
as
we
knew
it.
The
week
after
were
briefing
him.
Okay,.
C
I'm,
just
learning
about
the
financial
arrangements
with
our
to
do
our
teacher
I
know,
there's
the
million
dollar
payment,
but
there's
also
going
to
be
additional
cost
to
the
corporation
as
a
result
of
this,
for
example,
paying
the
bus
drivers
longer
whose
cost
is
that
is
that
ours
or
is
it
theirs?
That's.
A
A
Is
the
direction
that
we
have
given
mr.
crypts
and
his
team
that
came
late
from
the
city
manager,
and
you
saw
that
when
we
bought
the
transit
restated
budget
before
you
have
a
treasurer
and
I,
we
worked
all
the
numbers,
and
so
it's
made
up
of
the
deferred
maintenance
payments.
I
think
it's
around
four
million
dollars,
plus
all
of
the
payments
that
they
are
obligated
to
pay
for
detours,
not
the
bus
detours,
but
the
traffic
detours.
Those
fund,
our
bus,
t2a
costs,
so
we're
continuing
to
duct
our
costs
off
of
their
next
milestone.
Payments.
Okay,.
A
So
if
you're
asking
me
my
opinion,
I
would
not
see
that
being
our
cost.
The
question
will
be:
can
you
flow
that
back
to
our
TG,
so
I
don't
know
if
the
treasurer
wants
to
comment
on
that,
but
I'm
assuming
that's
where
based
on
the
comments
around
the
table,
the
direction
would
be
would
see
if
you
can
charge
that
back
to
our
TG.
C
C
It
is
for
the
treasurer
to
prepare
for
members
of
council
a
financial
implications
document
that
would
look
where
you
would
outline
the
payments
that
are
being
held
back
and
the
additional
cost
that
the
city
is
anticipating
as
a
result
of
the
delay,
and
just
so,
we
can
have
that
one
place
and
we
can
have
a
better
picture
of
the
costs
and
the
potential
for
recovery
of
those
causes.
That's
something
that
would
be
reasonable.
D
C
C
A
So
they
confirmed
last
week
that
they
could
not
locate
those
parts
they
indicated
to
us.
A
few
weeks
ago,
I'm
going
to
say
three
maximum
I
don't
have
exact
date
in
front,
but
it
was
weeks
ago
that
they
had
an
issue
with
the
vehicles
and
that
they
were
missing
parts
but
their
position
at
the
time
to
mr.
Krebs
and
Iowa's.
They
were
confident
they
had
a
plan
to
either
acquire
the
parts,
find
the
parts
or
the
four
other
or
train
orders
and
get
the
parts.
A
C
A
The
the
power
issue
in
the
stations
is
I
believe
mr.
krasnikov
young,
some
of
the
stations
were
being
fed
from
other
transformers.
So
once
but
there's
a
bridging
of
power
and
relay
station
is
the
final
one
to
have
full
power.
But,
as
you
tell
by
the
photos,
there's
electricity
in
that
there
were
some
final
connections
that
they
needed
to
do
and
I
believe
all
the
power
now
is
100%
through
all
the
underground
stations.
Thank.
A
Than
me
and
members
of
council
but
I
think
to
be
more
accurate,
no
one
could
be
more
disappointed
than
many
people
who
have
suffered
through
endured
patiently
put
up
with
the
many
delays
that
have
been
caused
throughout
this
construction
period,
and
many
many
thousands
were
or
look
look
that
so
naturally
we're
all
I,
probably
say
all
about
I
was
disappointed
today.
That
being
said,
though,
I
want
to
thank
you,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
two
things.
A
A
A
A
B
A
B
B
That
continues
to
be
deficient
because
that's
not
a
minor
deficiency
I
think
we
can
all
agree.
No.
So
as
part
of
the
quality
management
system
for
the
project,
the
RTG
is
responsible
for
Quality
Assurance
quality
control
and
in
the
city,
puts
pleasures
in
place
to
ensure
that
they're
meeting
those
requirements
so
the
non
conformance
that
you're
referring
to
or
anything
it
doesn't
meet
the
specifications
of
the
project
agreement
so
to
close
out
those
non-conformance
--is.
B
Our
TG
is
required
to
come
up
with
with
well
to
assess
the
non
conformance
and
come
up
with
an
acceptable
solution
to
it
or
acceptable
closeout
to
it.
So
it
might
be
testing
a
material
might
be
rejecting
and
replacing
a
material
could
be
treating
it,
treating
the
material
in
some
way,
but
all
of
those
have
been
closed
out.
So
there's
nothing
there's
nothing
out
there
today.
That
needs
to
be
actioned
in
terms
of
non
conforming,
concrete
or
any
other
meant
for
that
matter.
D
B
So
it's
been
a
variety
of
things,
but
again
each
one
of
those
needs
to
be
assessed
on
it.
Sort
of
own
merits.
What
the
situation
is,
what
the
non-conformance
is.
There
are
times
when
RTG
will
bring
in
experts
in
that
material.
That's
concrete
or
some
other
material
they'll
bring
in
experts
to
do
a
review
of
that
and
then
come
up
with
the
appropriate
remediation
plan
and
again
the
city
monitors
and
tracks
all
of
those
things
to
make
sure
they
have
been
closed
in
a
satisfactory
manner.
A
B
By
definition,
in
the
project
agreement,
a
minor
deficiency
is
something
that
will
impede
or
impair
the
city's
user
enjoyment
of
the
elements.
Oh,
so
you
know,
a
cosmetic
cosmetic
item
could
be
one
of
those,
but
if
it's,
if
it's
some
of
the
things
mr.
Manku
he's
been
talking
about
vehicles
stations,
those
would
potentially
or
would
impact
the
city's
user
enjoyment
of
the
system.
So
it
falls
beyond
the
definition
of
minor
deficiency.
B
B
A
B
B
A
B
Work
so
there's
no
security
risk
to
these
missing
parts
for
the
system.
No.
Okay!
Thank
you.
That's
a
good
relief
I
agree
what
my
colleagues
said
when
this
system
does
start
I'd
like
it
to
be
fully
tested
and
make
sure
that
we're
not
going
to
get
into
breakdowns-
and
you
know
shutting
it
down
for
weeks
for
service
and
trying
to
move
everybody
doctor
buses
I
think
we've
asked
so
much
of
our
residents
to
have
patience.
B
Well,
we
get
the
system
going
that
I
really
want
that
first
date
to
be
solid,
and
so
I
appreciate
what
I'm
hearing
from
you
today
that
you
are
pushing
back
and
standing
firm
on
that
position
with
people,
because
I
can
tell
you.
I've
talked
to
a
lot
of
residents
the
majority
by
far
understanding
that
you're
trying
to
get
a
world-class
system
running
here,
but
there
has
been
impacts
to
their
trip.
B
We're
hearing
about
you
know
15,
20,
minute,
longer,
commutes
and
and
a
lot
of
disruption,
especially
in
the
winter,
so
going
into
an
another
winter
on
those
buses,
I'm
sure
no
one's
looking
forward
to
that,
but
I
think
you've.
Given
us
a
lot
of
information
here
today
that
the
majority
will
understand
that
it's
necessary
to
delay.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
hope.
B
We
have
a
means
to
communicate
that
to
the
riders
as
well
to
make
sure
that
they
know
some
of
the
like
the
fact
that
you're
not
going
to
make
any
more
changes
and-
and
if
we
do
this
thing
there
hold
off
on
the
rate
increase
I,
think
that
would
be
some
good
news
for
people.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Thank
You,
mr.
Mack
Thank
You
del
Sur
cosima,
that's
hoopla!
Do
you
miss
me?
Yes,
sir,
not
surprising,
they
never!
B
What
everyone
is
a
bit
frustrated
about
the
the
news
and
yes,
that
I
find
some
point
saying
they
say
you
mentioned
that
there
is
no
effect
on
Phase
two
making
that
moving
forward
contract
being
a
warrant
design
plans
for
Phase
two,
what
possibly
expanding
to
April.
How
can
this
not
have
an
effect
on
the
timeline
for
start
and
completion
of
phase?
Two?
B
A
A
great
question
because
your
early
works
on
stage
two
there's
you're
not
connecting
to
the
live
Network.
At
that
point,
you
can
start
all
your
civil
work
and
so
forth
and
there's
no
dependencies
from
stage
one
to
stage
two.
The
vehicle
builds
for
Stage,
two
that
orders
already
been
given
and
that's
preceding
the
maintenance
and
storage
facilities.
So
we
can
house
all
those
vehicles.
A
B
And
that
disappointment
you
mention
that
its
bus
routes
will
not
be
change
and
that's
good
news
and
bus
routes
will
not
be
change
right
now
or
then
you're,
not
making
that
going
back
to
the
changes
that
we
made
in
Labor
Day
a
longing
for
resonance
and
express
that
the
about
to
use
more
transference.
It's
a
long
wrote
it's
a
longer,
walk
and
we're
going
through
winter
time.
B
Before
we
see
the
completion
of
phase
one.
A
lot
of
these
residents
were
quite
happy
with
the
service
and
we'll
get
in
before
and
they're,
not
very
happy
with
new
changes
have
been
made.
The
changes
were
made
due
to
start
on
November
in
preparing
for
November.
Will
it
not
be
better
to
roll
back
most
changes
to
say
March
right
before
we
were
anticipating
the
signup
of
the
phase
1.
A
It's
very
good
question.
Great
changes
are
one
big,
complicated
algorithm
that
takes
between
6
to
8
months
to
map
out,
because
we
do
run
it
through
the
community
simulation
to
get
all
those
run
times.
You
have
to
take
it
through
booking
operations.
You
have
to
do
your
bus
fleet
count,
you
have
to
match
up
your
operating
account
and
so
forth.
So
the
issue
is-
and
this
is
why
the
information
March
EG
is
important,
and
this
is
why
we're
going
to
be
relentless
and
reminding
them
that
we've
got
operations.
We
need
to
balance
on
our
side.
A
Imagine
if
I
unpack
the
route
changes
only
to
be
caught
midway
through
and
then
have
to
repack
them,
so
AI
won't
have
enough
time
to
unpack
the
recent
route
changes
and
then
B.
If
they
do
make
q1,
we
will
reap
absolutely
with
flip-flopping
back
and
forth
to
our
customers.
So
it's
that
balancing
act
so
counselor
I,
don't
have
an
answer
for
you
today,
but
the
current
position
based
on
what
I
know
is.
It
would
be
bad
to
flip
back
either.
All
of
those
route
changes
are
some
of
them.
Based
on
what
I
know.
A
I
have
to
assess
all
of
that
and
I
don't
even
know
if
I
could
do
it
in
time
by
when
to
do
that
algorithm
to
get
all
those
things
done.
So
it's
a
very
valid
question.
I
understand
the
concern.
I
hear
the
complaints
about
those
that
got
impacted,
but
I
don't
have
an
answer
for
you
today
on
that
one.
The
current
position
is,
my
recommendation
is
hold
the
line
on
where
we
are,
let's
see
where
we're
going
and
we
can
assess
them.
B
B
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
too
comprehensive
to
roll
about
is
already
on
the
process
in
place
right
up
until
Labor
Day,
which
was
just
a
week
ago,
where
everybody
was
used
to
the
roots
and
everything
and
to
some
minor
of
any
information,
no
to
the
public
that
we
are
going
back
to
other
convenience
for
the
residents
in
the
winter
months,
and
we
will
institute
these
changes
that
we
had
as
an
example
in
38
closer
to
unity.
So
no
it
was
answer
suggestion
I,
don't
sin
on
transit,
I,
hope
that
discussion
is
add.
A
So
if
they
don't
think
the
November
2nd
date,
the
1
million
dollar
penalty
gets
deducted
from
their
next,
its
a
liquidated
damages
payment
and
then,
of
course,
they
are
not
getting
all
of
those
multi-million
dollar
payments,
so
their
bottom
line
is
being
impacted.
They
they
obviously
have
to
go,
get
funding
sources
from
their
short-term
lenders
at
higher
interest
costs.
A
So
there
is
a
direct
cost
to
them
in
terms
of
the
obviously
you
know
eroding
into
their
profit
margins
or
losses
or
whatever
we
don't
have
eyes
into
their
books,
but
that
is
the
other
impact
to
them.
Also
and
and
I
would
also
say:
reputationally
I
can
sense.
The
tension
in
the
room
and
they've
heard
my
frustration
on
where
they
are.
B
I
do
on
1.01,
we
mentioned
the
martini
schedule,
so
the
drivers
mean
like
go
and
so
on,
and
you
had
discussions
with
the
Union.
There
is
a
too
early
in
that
pains
to
odd
that
discussion
with
the
Union
to
say:
listen,
remember
the
drivers
for
the
natural
you
know
for
months,
you
know
and
what
does
unintel
moving
forward
that
way.
I
have.
A
The
three
union
presidents
on
standby,
because
I
told
them
I,
would
be
calling
them
after
that
covered
they're
learning
about
this
information.
Through
this
forum,
I
always
inform
council.
First,
we
will
use
our
positive
labor
relations
that
we
have
with
those
union.
Presidents
and
I
am
concerned
about
staff
they've
been
working
very
very
hard,
so
we
needed
to
care
them
also.
It's.
B
The
reason
I
ask
is
I
mean
the
alone
in
these
jokers
on
the
date
of
final
completion,
dates
or
anything,
I'm
sure
some
amendment
phone
alternate
employment,
I'm
sure
some
amendment
ultimate
plans
and
we
have
any
plans
in
place.
You
know
say,
have
and
them
say
no
I've
already
made
plans.
So
everything
to
you
know
to
move
forward.
I.
A
I
think
the
ones
that
we're
going
to
leave
would
have
left
by
now
and
we're
not
seeing
a
mass
exodus.
Remember
and
we've
met
with
every
single
one
of
them
have
320
whatever
that
number
is.
We
gave
them
a
piece
of
paper
when
they
joined
over
two
years
ago.
Saying
you
might
let
be
let
go
well.
This
is
frustrating
and
change.
You
know
the
positive
to
them
is
you're
sticking
around
for
a
bit
and
we're
giving
them
support.
B
A
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
concert
early,
please
thanks
very
much
mr.
mayor
and
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
I
had
have
been
answered.
Asked
by
my
colleagues,
so
appreciate
that
John
I
feel
for
you
here.
You
have
a
reputation
for
being
a
capo
capable
and
competent
manager
with
the
track
record,
we're
getting
things
done
and
and
I
think
you
have
lived
up
to
that
you're
still
living
up
to
that
today.
B
I
think
the
one
thing
we
probably
left
out
of
that
contract
was
the
requirement
to
have
our
DG
come
and
sit
here
in
front
of
us
as
well
as
you,
but
I
understand
that
you're
the
person
responsible
to
relate
for
the
project.
So
you
know
we
heard
some
of
my
colleague
Karen
ischenko
talked
about.
You
know
you
didn't
kind
of
shirk
your
requirement
to
come
here
and
tell
us
about
this,
so
I
was
standing
that
it
wasn't
going
to
be
pleasant
news.
B
So
I
wanted
to
ask
you
about
your
impression
about
that
good
faith.
I
think
we
have
it
with
your
team.
My
question
is:
does
it
extend
to
RTG?
You
know
there
comes
a
point
where
you
start
to
feel
like
the
kid
who
shows
up
the
night
before
to
tell
you:
I
was
assigned
a
project
two
weeks
ago
and
I
didn't
do
it
and
now
I'm
in
a
bind.
So
you
know
I'm,
concerned
or
I'm
interested
in
what
your
opinion
is
about,
how
this
delay
again
the
missing
parts
that
disappeared
out
of
the
blue?
B
How
does
this
impact
your
view
of
the
good
faith
relationship
that
we
have
with
RPG,
because
I
think
it's
important
because
you
know
I
don't
want
to
get
to
a
scenario
where
we
go
operational,
they're
responsible
for
you
know,
maintenance
and
all
the
other
products
down
the
line
and
the
relationship
is
eroded
to
the
point
where
they'd
say:
well,
look:
that's
not
written
in
the
contract
that
wasn't
in
black
and
white.
So
if
we
don't
have
to
do
it,
we're
not
going
to
do
it.
So
can
you
speak
about
that?
A
little
bit.
A
Certainly
an
that
is
a
very
good
point.
We
have
a
30-year
relationship
with
this
organization.
They
transform
themselves
to
RTM
I
can
guarantee
you
that
the
relationships
are
professional.
Courteous
am
I
frustrated
at
some
of
the
elements?
Yes,
I
think
they're
doing
what
commercially
based
organizations
typically
do
they
look
to
whether
or
not
there's
any
latitude
on
the
client.
They
are
not
surprised
by
what
I'm
telling
you
today.
I
spoke
to
their
CEO
into
Friday,
Saturday
and
I
told
them.
You
know.
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
Is
there
anything
I've
got
wrong
here.
A
So
there's?
No!
You
know
after
today
it
won't
be.
Oh,
no,
that's
not
exactly
what
we
meant
I
I
literally
walked
in
through
this
is
what
you're
proposing
in
this
is
our
position.
We
have
very
good
relationships.
Mr.
clips
and
his
team,
you
know
a
phenomenal
rage
ship
with
them.
Mister
kantor
lacus
does
myself
and
with
the
RTM
organization,
there's
a
general
manager
there.
They
are
very
good
people
there
we
get
together
and
talk
about
this
stuff
collectively,
so
I'm
not
worried
about
the
relationship
eroding.
A
B
B
You
just
get
into
a
game
of
you
know.
How
do
you
minimize
them
you've
said:
there's
no
impact
to
stage
two
there's!
No,
you
know
until
we
get
to
that
connectivity
point
with
stage
1,
which
is
down
the
pipe.
You
know,
there's
no
delay
in
the
the
planning
and
the
moving
forward
on
stage
2.
My
question
would
be:
how
do
your
experiences
on
here
on
stage
1
to
date?
A
A
The
the
other
thing
that
we
have
to
our
advantage
is
prescriptive
language
as
to
who
they
can
assign
to
lead
these
projects,
and
when
we
get
to
that
point
about
you,
know
the
successful
proponent
and
who
they
plan
to
put
onto
these
projects.
I
think
we
have
the
learnings
from
stage
one
and
stage
two
that
we
can
apply
in
terms
of
the
types
of
resources
at
the
senior
level
and
at
the
project
management
level
of
wherever
the
consortium
is
so
lots
of
learnings,
and
they
don't
stop
it's
not
just
at
one
time.
A
B
With
respect
to
the
route
changes
under
no
kellerman,
I
just
went
through
that
with
you
and
you
know:
I'm
a
counselors
had
some
route
changes
in
in
my
warden.
You
know
heard
from
my
constituents
that
for
some
of
them
well,
it
was
a
great
change
and
it
works
well
for
them.
You
know,
there's
a
there's
a
set
of
them,
whom
it
doesn't
work
well
and
it's
introducing
new
transfers
and
you
know
the
ability
to
say
to
them.
Well,
look
it's
you
know.
B
Eventually,
it
was
going
to
hook
you
up
with
the
Train
and
you
know
make
a
make
for
new
options,
for
you
was
the
only
silver
lining
that
we
had
to
your
comment
to
Carroll
sermonette
about.
Well,
it's
a
complex
system
to
introduce
move
changes
and
it's
not
easily.
It's
not
easy
to
walk
back.
I!
Think!
That's!
You
know.
Some
of
the
some
of
the
impacts
that
we've
spoken
about
around
this
table
are
exactly
that.
You
know
we
can
we
can
codify
in
an
agreement.
What's
the
penalty,
you
hey?
B
What's
the
you
know,
if
you
don't
deliver
this?
What
do
we
do?
Part
of
the
challenge,
though,
is
there's
a
there's,
a
reputational
risk
to
the
point
where
the
ripples
in
the
pond
just
get
further
out.
Then
you
know
you
ever
thought
they
would.
So
you
know
at
some
point.
It
affects
ridership
levels
right
if
you
can't
deliver
the
service-
and
you
know
beer
constantly
moving
the
milestones
at
some
point,
we
didn't
predict
that
we
would
have.
You
know
this
much
of
an
effect
on
X
right.
B
So
if
we
can't
walk
back
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is,
if
we
can't
walk
back
something
like
a
route
change
easily,
then
there
are
thresholds
that
we
can
be
forced
to
cross
based
on
the
timeline
that
RTG
gives
us
that
we
can't
walk
back
and
there
are
going
to
be
impacts.
Maybe
they're,
not
financial,
or
at
least
not
immediately
financial,
but
they
could
be
reputational.
So
you
know
I
would
urge
that
we
somehow
look
at
embedding
not
in
the
future.
B
You
know
stage
two
and
and
beyond
deliberations,
because
there's
always
going
to
be
an
impact
and
if
we
put
ourselves
in
a
position
where
we
can't
reverse
something,
because
it's
just
too
complex
to
do,
then
we
really
are.
We
have
given
up
that
lever
to
them
notwithstanding
what's
in
the
contract,
so
I'll
leave
that
with
you.
My
final
comment,
I
guess,
would
be
for
a
council
you'll
help
you
back
on
the
list
Capulet.
Thank
you.
Oh
look
at
that
Thank
You
councillor
Kenny.
Please.
D
D
You
know
to
lessons
learned
and
understand
how
we
can
perhaps
get
certainly
better
information
and
more
timely
information
out
of
our
TG
in
the
future,
because
I
don't
see
that
that's
happened
to
date,
but
what
I
do
want
to
pick
up
on
our
transit
riders
and
in
particularly
those
transit
riders
who
count
on
our
transit
system,
our
buses
to
move
about
not
just
to
get
into
working
back
every
day,
but
those
who
have
no
other
option
but
to
ride
our
transit
or
local
transit
routes.
Many
of
those
are
seniors.
D
Many
of
those
are
folks
with
disabilities.
Many
parents
with
children
who
have
no
other
option
but
to
take
our
buses
every
day.
That's
how
they
get
to
do
their
shopping,
to
do
the
groceries
it's
how
they
go
to
our
libraries,
it's
how
they
get
around
the
city
and
I'm.
Going
to
you
know
when
we
talk
about
the
route
changes,
I
didn't
I,
wasn't
supportive
of
the
changes
that
happened
at
labor
day,
but
it
was
going
to
be
for
two
months
and
it
was
going
to
be
through
a
period.
You
know
time
fall,
which
you
know.
D
You
know
it's
all
about
algorithms,
so
I
realize
you
can't
get
from
confederations
station
anymore,
to
read
of
Center
I'm,
not
going
to
tell
people
that
the
algorithms
are
too
difficult
and
we
don't
know
how
to
walk
it
back,
because
we
do
it's
a
segment,
we'll
ask
them
for
the
same
route
that
was
in
place
before
Labor
Day,
so
I.
You
know
I'm
appealing
to
you
today,
I'm
going
to
ask
you.
You
know
I
had
the
conversation
with
councilor
Reaper
as
well.
D
Residents
are
very
much
affected
by
that
will
change
it's
not
just
a
simple
transfer.
It
means
that
there
is
a
walk
that
is
not
accessible
to
people.
People
and
there
are
many
people,
I
can
do
it.
I
can
jump
off
the
bus
at
Confederation
station
go
down
that
hill
slip
them
slide.
A
little
bit
go
under
the
tunnel,
get
back
out
scoot
across
the
street
dodge
traffic,
but
many
many
people
can't
and
I
have
the
up.
D
I
have
the
option
not
to
do
it
when
I
don't
want
to
it
when
it's
when
they
the
weather,
doesn't
allow.
So
I
am
going
to
ask
you
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
route,
especially
the
11.
It
is.
There
is
no
other
option
for
people
folks
taking
the
11.
Are
not
civil
servants
coming
in
to
the
downtown
earning
a
decent
living
and
going
back
out.
These
are
folks
that
need
the
local
trends
that
they
need
to
be
able
to
get
to
do
the
day-to-day
living
and
they
don't
have
an
option.
D
A
Counselor
I've
heard
you
all
loud
and
clear
and
me
it
wasn't
clear
in
my
response
to
councillor
Manette,
so
I'll
clarify
I
got
all
this
news.
Last
week,
I'm
going
to
mobilize
our
team
I
need
to
know
from
our
TG.
What's
the
date
we're
working
to
to
your
point,
if
it's
three
four
three
weeks,
two
weeks
whatever
that
get
or
if
it's
months
I
am
going
to
mobilize
Pat
in
his
planning
team
and
I
want
to
go
route
by
route
on
those
last
changes
which
are
the
ones
that
are
causing
us
difficulty.
A
I've
seen
those
I
know
where
they
are
and
can
we
walk
them
back
and
if
so,
how
do
we
do
that?
And
can
we
do
that?
I,
just
don't
want
to
say
yesterday
without
knowing
all
the
inputs
from
RTG
and
whether
or
not
I
can
end
by
when
so
I
totally
get
what
you've
just
said,
we've
got
to
take
care
of
the
customer
I'm
going
to
take
our
staff
regarding
those
routes.
A
So
I
want
to
think
through
that
and
manage
those
expectations
well,
and
we
will
circle
back
with
the
affected
councillors
before
we
do
anything
in
that
regard.
Obviously,
and
then
we
have
to
tie
it
into
the
master
ready
for
rail
campaign,
because
we've
got
a
package
up
the
messaging
on
all
of
us
to
say
what
are
we
telling
our
customers?
Are
we
telling
them
about
who
changes?
What
are
we
telling
them
if
we
are
walking
back
whenever
certain
routes
and
so
forth?
D
Thank
you
I
appreciate
that
and
I
appreciate
that
that
has
been
brought
up
several
times
today.
So
just
again,
I
just
want
to
emphasize.
You
know
timing,
because
you
know
we
we
have
told
the
residents
that
you
know
November
2nd
is
coming
so
again
when
we're
when
we're
back.
You
know
when
we're
getting
the
phone
calls
when
we're
talking
to
folks
when
one
law
on
the
bus
with
them.
You
know
we
need
to
be
able
to
give
them
some
assurance
that
that
we
will
have
have
answer
so
I
just
want
to
leave
that
up
there.
B
You
Velma
Kenny
else,
a
guai
second
round,
I
think
mr.
just
a
quick
follow-up
question
to
to
legal,
so
we've
been
given
two
dates
so
far.
Neither
one
has
panned
out,
unfortunately,
if
a
third
date
is
agreed
to
by
the
city
with
our
TG
and
it,
and
that
also
does
not
pan
out
am
I
correct
in
understanding
that,
in
addition
to
holding
back
the
money,
we
would
owe
them
there
would
be
yet
another
million
dollar
penalty
to
RTG
for
every
date
miss
that
we
agreed
to
yes,
mr.