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From YouTube: Planning Committee meeting – November 28, 2019 (Part 1)
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Planning Committee meeting – November 28, 2019 – Audio Stream
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
A
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
1,
2,
4,
5,
6,
7,
8,
9,
10,
11,
13
and
15
on
today's
agenda.
For
the
items
just
mentioned,
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
local
planning
Appeal
Tribunal.
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
local
planning
Appeal
Tribunal.
A
If
counsel
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
90
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
of
Zoning
and
120
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment,
a
comment
sheet
is
available
at
the
door
for
anyone
wishing
to
submit
written
comments
or
to
sign
up
to
speak,
and
so,
if
you
are
intending
to
speak
and
you
haven't
signed
in
yet,
please
do
so
over
underneath
that
TV
set
councillor
Mian.
If
you
want
to
come
and
sit
I,
don't
I'm
not
expecting
councillor
Elgin
Terry.
So
if
you
want
to
come
and
speak
sit
there
for
the
first
item.
A
To
permit
a
daycare
in
office
by
rezoning,
the
property
and
I
have
no
speakers
on
that.
Anyone
have
any
questions.
Is
the
item
carried?
Thank
you
item
number
3.
We
have
speakers
on
that.
That's
the
front
ending
report,
design
and
construction
of
the
Statesville
north-south
arterial
road
within
the
195
hunt,
Mar
Drive
subdivision,
so
we're
holding
that
item.
B
One
of
the
challenges
with
this
neighborhood
is
that
there
is
ongoing
construction.
Obviously,
and
there
are
interim
measures
being
built
along
the
main
arterial
road,
because
the
ultimate
design,
the
design
for
the
ultimate
cross
section,
the
road
is
not
yet
done,
and
so
the
developer
is
interested
in
doing
the
ultimate
design
so
that
there's
less
throw
away
and
they
will
inevitably
save
taxpayers
money
when
the
ultimate
arterial,
road,
I
can't.
B
Save
taxpayers
significant
funds
to
not
undo
the
interim
works
when
the
ultimate
is
eventually
is
eventually
built,
and
so
this
motion
is
whereas
bylaw
rares
report
lists
the
report.
Zoning
bylaw
amendment
1211
Old
Montreal
Road,
recommends
several
minor
readjustments
to
the
existing
zone:
boundaries
in
effect
over
colonel
creek
village,
to
score
to
correspond
with
minor
changes
to
the
plan,
Street
pattern
and
the
lot
and
block
layout
within
the
future
phases
of
the
development.
A
Perfect
anyone
have
any
questions.
Are
you
on
the
item
of
the
zoning
bylaw
mm4
1211
Oman
tree
Road?
Are
you
comfortable
carrying
the
motion,
the
the
well
the
amendment
carried
and
as
the
report
as
amended
carry
oh
and
Oh
Michelle
I'm.
Just
where
are
you
I?
You
don't
need
to
speak.
It
said
so
you
still
don't
need
to
speak
you're
good,
all
right,
perfect!
Thank
you
all
right.
A
A
C
A
A
D
A
A
B
A
A
D
A
A
A
We
do
have
a
motion
and-
and
in
addition
you
want
to
speak
to
it.
Ursula
have
you
seen
the
motion,
so
you
know
what
we're
just
going
to
pause,
that
it
will
give
you
a
copy
of
the
motion
and
then
you
can,
let
us
know,
does
anyone
else?
No
one
else
has
signed
up
to
speak
on
this
item,
so
we're
just
going
to
table
it
park
it,
but
we're
going
to
table
it
until
Ursula
has
a
chance
and
then,
if
she
needs
to
speak
still,
she
can
come
back
and
speak.
A
A
A
A
E
C
All
right,
madam
chair
to
me,
where's
the
report
city,
initiated
zoning
bylaw
amendment
to
allow
places
of
worship
and
urban
employment
areas,
recommends
permitting
small-scale
places
of
worship
facilities
on
189
properties
in
the
industrial
zone
in
the
urban
employment
areas,
whereas
102
bill
Latham
drive
is
subject
to
the
pending
ALP
at
decision,
whereas
additional
clarity
is
not
specifically
due
excluding
102
bill.
A
thumb
drive
from
recommendations
of
this
report,
given
the
pending
help
at
decision.
Therefore,
it
be
resolved.
C
A
A
That
is
right
beside
the
airport,
you
think
of
it
as
the
ey
Center,
where
there's
trade
shows
and
all
that
stuff.
But
there
are
significant
events
there
of
religious
purpose
throughout
the
year
and
I
would
argue
that
you
know
Mathers
The,
Salvation
Army,
the
the
the
the
the
two
temples
that
want
Hindu
organizations
that
want
to
have
new
temples
in
bar
Haven,
whether
it's
the
Jewish
faith
or
on
anybody
Sequoyah
Church.
They
are
going
to
provide.
Always
they
talk
about
community
space
that
is
used
primarily
other
than
a
certain
times
a
week
for
religious
purposes.
A
F
Good
morning,
madam
chair
and
the
members
of
committee
and
councillors,
my
name
is
Lilly
shoe
manager
of
the
Diwan
room
you
South
Branch
to
my
left,
is
Shawn
Moore
senior
planning
our
area
and
Athaliah
the
planner
for
this
project.
The
application
was
received
in
2018
in
the
past
one
year,
and
a
half
staff
have
conducted
extensive
consultation
in
addition
to
the
Planning
Act
and
the
city's
public
consultation
policy
requirements
in
the
next
few
minutes.
I'll
pass
the
microphone
to
mr.
Moore,
well
provide
a
hi
Murray
of
the
Refresh
bar
hebben
town
center
secondary
plan.
G
G
The
kennedy
burnett
stormwater
management
facilities
to
the
west
and
long
fields
drive
to
the
east,
it's
strategically
located
in
bar
Haven,
in
between
highway
416
to
the
west
and
Riverside
south
to
the
east,
and
you
can,
as
you
can
see,
from
the
image
it
is
in
heart
of
bar
Haven
and
really
bridges
bar
Haven
South
with
bar
Haven
north,
and
it's
also
a
major
commercial
district
and
the
hub
of
current
bar
Haven
and
kind
of
in
the
future.
As
we
move
forward,
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
some
key
aspects
of
the
town
center.
G
We
have
future
Chapman
Mills
Drive,
which
will
have
a
modeun
BRT
going
east-west
through
the
town
center.
There
is
a
major
district
potential
district
park
and
what
the
city
is
planning
for
along
the
Jacque
river
and
we
have
major
roads,
Green,
Bank
and
Rockville,
that
that
provides
the
key
elements
of
the
road
network.
There's
also
provisions
for
future
civic
bloc,
which
would
provide
Civic
uses
and
a
gathering
gathering
spot
for
the
community.
G
Past
developments
have
had
to
go
through
specific
site-specific
official
plan
amendments
in
order
to
proceed
highlighted
in
yellow
here.
So
that's
one
element
of
what
we're
bringing
forward
is
to
the
Phasis
facilitate
development
in
the
town
center.
We
know
there's
significant
growth
happening
to
the
east,
sorry
to
the
West
in
the
near
future,
and
another
key
element
will
be
the
future
Green
Bank
realignment
and
the
new
bridge
crossing
to
bar
Haven
south.
G
So
just
moving
back
a
bit
to
how
we
got
here
in
the
early
1990s,
the
former
city
in
opinion
developed
a
secondary
plan
in
1997
and
in
2004
there
was
an
updated
vision
which
implemented
a
community
design
plan
and
a
refreshed
secondary
plan.
So
2006
is
is
the
current
plan
and
that
plan
has
to
end
does
abide
by
the
city's
official
plan.
G
Town
Center
policies,
so
the
town
center
in
our
official
plan
is
an
area
where
it's
a
note
of
central
activity
for
suburban
communities
and
they've
been
long-standing
cores
of
suburban
communities,
they're
also
mostly
centered
around
one
or
more
transit
stations
or
stops
or
future
stops.
There
are
also
areas
where
we
want
to
support
transit
densities
and
where
we
want
to
support
a
minimum
of
10,000
jobs.
So
the
the
current
plans
implement
that
and
then
the
Refresh
bar
Haven
downtown
secondary
plan
also
follows
those
policies.
G
The
objective
that
came
forward
through
Minto
witchcrafts
application
was
to
refresh
the
secondary
plan,
was
one
to
facilitate
development,
to
encourage
a
diversity
of
uses
to
facilitate
investment,
to
remove
barriers
to
development
that
the
current
plan
has
and
to
remove
some
of
the
repetitiveness
through
the
current
CDP
and
the
the
secondary
plan,
and
also
discrepancies
between
those
documents.
As
as
official
plan,
amendments
have
been
moving
forward
over
the
past
ten
years
so
high
level.
This
is
the
existing
land
use
plan
for
for
the
secondary
plan.
G
I'll
just
highlight
quickly
the
policies
the
brown
area
is
called
the
high-rise
mix
juice
and
that's
in
the
core,
and
that
required
a
six
to
twelve
story.
Height
limit
in
a
target
density
of
250
units
per
net
hectare,
flanking
either
side,
east
and
west
was
a
mid-rise
residential
and
that
required
a
four
to
six
storey
height
limit
and
a
target
density
of
200
units.
G
So
if
we
go
to
the
the
proposal
before
us,
the
land
uses,
the
purpose
here
was
to
lower
densities
and
minimum
height
requirements.
Still
in
keeping
with
a
town
centre
still
in
keeping
with
supporting
future
light
rail
and
current
BRT,
but
to
to
allow
developers
to
come
through
with
with
products
that
are
market
ready
and
can
still
support
our
future
growth.
So
in
the
south,
what
is
a
proposed
residential
area
which
allows
for
50
units
per
net
hectare
as
a
minimum
target
as
a
minimum
density
requirement?
G
The
brown
was
now
station
area
designation
and
has
a
minimum
requirement
of
150
units
per
net
hectare
and
and
flanking
that
on
either
side
is
a
mixed
use,
neighborhood,
overlay
or
designation,
which
would
allow
for
sixty
units
per
net
hectare.
So
the
key
here
is:
we
went
from
target
densities
to
a
minimum
required
density
and
we
remove
some
of
the
height
limitations,
so
that
height
could
be
height
and
density
could
grow
over
time.
A
A
F
So,
okay,
thanks
chair,
harder,
chair
Hart,
has
asked
me
today
to
come
and
introduce
our
consultant
team
who
worked
on
the
revisions
to
the
downtown
bar
Haven.
Cdp
I
was
one
of
the
initiators
of
this
exercise
along
with
Kevin
from
rich
craft
and
with
the
significant
investment
and
construction
of
the
South
Nepean
sanitary
collector.
It
really
brought
services
to
both
the
town
center
as
well,
the
other
planned
growth
in
bar
Haven
and
really
started
to
stimulate
growth
and
with
that
services
at
the
door.
F
We
started
to
look
at
the
2006
original
South
Nepean
Town
Center
plan,
and
we
started
to
see
that
we
needed
to
some
of
the
urban
design
principles
within
that
CDP.
We're
still
relevant
today
that
Sean's
pointed
out,
but
we
need
to
revisit
both
the
retail
sector
as
well
as
the
densities
in
terms
of
residential
development
and
in
that
original
CDP.
F
They
anticipate
about
12,000
units,
and
so
we
started
to
have
the
benefit
of
completed
City
C's
DPS
around
the
LRT
stations
downtown
and
that
prescribed
growth
was
2
to
3
times
what
was
planned
around
the
current
Tiny's
pasture
LRT
stations
and
the
number
of
stations
along
that
line.
So
with
that
benefit
of
those
completed
CDP's,
we
started
to
go
down
and
investigate
and
revisit
this
CDP,
and
so
with
that,
we
also
started
to
look
at
the
other
land
uses
within
the
town
center
and
one
of
them,
this
civic
presence
or
Civic
block.
F
So
we
started
to
see
whether
or
not
we
wanted
to
keep
that
within
this
OPA,
and
so
we
engaged
nack
design
and
we
started
to
look
at
similar
townships
municipalities
that
are
similar
to
bar
Haven
in
terms
the
road
network
pattern
and
proximity
to
a
400
series,
and
we
started
to
investigate
what
really
are
elements
of
a
town
center
and
we
start
to
prescribe
about
five
key
ingredients
and
one
of
the
big
big
ingredients
to
a
successful,
vital,
sustainable
Town.
Center
is
a
civic
presence.
F
F
A
F
A
H
Whenever
you're
ready
morning,
madam
chair
members
of
committee,
my
name
is
Paul
black
I'm,
a
Senior
Planner
at
photon
planning,
a
design
and
I
am
here
this
morning
on
behalf
of
them
in
to
enrich
craft,
to
just
provide
a
little
bit
more
context
to
what
both
you've
heard
from
mr.
Moran
from
sue
this
morning.
H
You
can
see
that
that's
significantly
higher
than
places
like
Toni's
pasture,
Preston
and
ZB,
and
so
that
was
a
real
basis
of
this
exercise,
was
to
bring
the
densities
down
to
something
that
would
be
attainable
in
the
town
center
in
a
suburban
context
in
the
short
term,
while
protecting
for
that
growth
over
the
long
term,
as
you
heard
from
mr.
Moore
bar
Haven,
is
also
a
significant
ounce.
Center,
rather
is
an
important
retail
node
within
bar
Haven
as
well.
H
This
map
shows
major
retail
centers
around
the
town
center
and
you
can
see
really
the
town
center
is
the
focus
of
that
and
is
located
centrally
within
bar
Haven,
as
bar
Haven
has
continued
to
grow
to
the
south
east
and
now
to
the
west.
There
is
an
increased
demand
for
retail
uses,
and
so
the
proposed
expansion
of
the
retail
area
is
really
to
respond
to
those
needs
in
the
bargman
community,
provide
additional
options
while
again,
anticipating
future
growth
and
redevelopments
of
those
sites,
especially
as
LRT
and
then
transit
continues
to
develop
in
the
town
center.
H
So
the
real
basis
of
our
amendment
to
the
secondary
plan
was
to
stimulate
the
development.
Maintaining
the
compact
excuse,
walkable,
transit,
supportive
goals
that
were
in
the
existing
secondary
plan,
while
reflecting
the
suburban
town
center
and
facilitating
investment
in
required
infrastructure,
so
that
includes
parks,
but
also
transit
and
density
support,
job
and
population
growth
in
the
town
center
and
around
terms
of
consultation.
H
I've
just
noted
a
few
of
the
highlights
from
that
report,
which
we
have
implemented
into
the
into
the
new
secondary
plan,
and
there
are
others,
but
really
that
Civic
space,
as
you
heard
from
miss
Murphy,
was
an
important
play.
An
important
piece
of
the
whole
thing
to
create
a
place
in
the
town
center
and
in
bar,
even
where
the
community
can
gather
where
events
can
take
place
and
kind
of
a
home
base
for
the
community.
H
And
then
we
also
heard
about
focusing
a
mix
of
uses
north
of
Chapman
Mills
and
keeping
selfish
atman
Mills
more
residential
in
character.
And
so
you
see
that
reflected
in
the
land
use
plan
where
north
of
Chapman
Mills
accommodates
mixes
of
uses
where
south
of
Chapman
Mills
takes
on
that
more
residential
character,
with
more
residential
parks
and
neighborhood
parks.
That
sort
of
thing,
while
still
achieving
the
transit
oriented
densities
prescribed
by
the
Official
Plan.
H
And
finally,
we
heard
about
reducing
the
broad
policies
with
regards
to
retail
at
the
base
of
every
building
throughout
the
town
center
and
instead
focusing
on
a
few
key
character
streets.
And
so,
as
from
mr.
more
we've
identified,
ryokan
Avenue
marketplace
Avenue
and
a
new
east-west
street
on
the
west
side
of
Green
Bank
Road.
H
That
will
provide
important
connections
between
green
space
and
the
Civic
Square,
while
also
providing
connectivity
through
the
community
and,
ultimately,
we
hope
will
become
Main
streets
of
the
town
center,
where
retail
uses
front
the
streets
and
residential
units
are
above
and
ultimately,
the
goal
of
creating
connectivity
and
linking
green
space
has
been
paramount
as
we've
gone
through
this.
This
whole
process,
that
is,
that,
is
my
presentation.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
E
The
the
biggest
I
like
the
direction
in
which
the
secondary
plan
is
going-
and
you
know
if
we're
gonna-
be
a
sustainable
city.
I'm
fielding
questions
every
week
from
residence
to
kitchen
sippy
Ward
asking.
When
are
we
going
to
start
seeing
density
somewhere
other
than
the
downtown
core
and
I'm
able
to
point
to
the
plans
that
we
have
we're
seeing
the
development
around
Blair?
E
This
is
this
is
absolutely
the
right
direction
for
bar
Haven,
so
I'm
generally
pleased,
but
one
big
red
flag
for
me
is
the
expansion
of
the
retail
area
in
which
there
are
going
to
be
large
format
stores.
So
if
the
retail
hope
is
to
create
compact,
mixed-use,
walkable
transit,
supportive
development,
why
are
we
looking
at
expanding
the
area
in
which
large
format
stores
are
allowed?
They're?
The
antithesis
of
everything
that
you've
described
so.
A
H
Ahead
sure
so
three,
madam
chair,
the
the
retail
the
town
center,
has
become
a
retail
node
for
the
entire
community
of
bar
Haven.
The
2006
plan
recognizes
existing
retail
uses
and
drew
a
line
around
that
and
had
aspirations
of
intensification
of
that
over
time.
We've
maintained
that
but
recognize
the
need
for
additional
retail
to
service.
You
know
the
35,000
people
who
live
south,
the
Jacque
River
and
who
rely
on
the
town
center.
H
The
the
large-format
retail
is
an
interim
condition
which
provides
opportunities
for
intensification
like
we're
seen
at
Westgate
like
we're,
seeing
at
Gloucester
those
centers
start
as
large
format
and
provide
the
opportunities
for
when
there's
the
demand
and
where
instance,
the
density
there
excuse
me
and
the
transit
really
is
driving
a
lot
of
that
to
intensify
those
sites
easily.
If
we
were
to
develop
the
lands
as
purely
residential
intensification
is
more
difficult
at
a
larger
scale.
The
retail
areas
provide
in
a
short
term.
They
respond
to
the
needs
of
the
community.
H
The
the
I
should
note
that
the
the
policies
do
support
mixed-use
currently,
so
there
would
be
no
requirement
for
amendments
or
changes
to
permit
mixed
use
development
today,
and
that
is
encouraged
through
the
plan.
But
the
the
I
mentioned
the
numbers
earlier
about
the
ten
thousand
units
based
on
2016
sales
data,
there's
a
68
year
supply
of
condos
in
the
town
centre
under
the
current
plan,
and
so
the
density
just
isn't
there
to
drive
developing
this.
H
And
so
then,
as
as
tall
buildings
as
dense
developments,
and
so
the
intent
is
to
provide
an
interim
condition
that
allows
for
the
town
center
to
develop
while
protecting
for
the
anticipation
of
growth
as
LRT
comes
to
the
town.
Centers
BRT
improves
and
as
we
really
create
this
community
around
the
existing
retail
and
linking
it
with
the
growth
within
the
town
centre.
So.
H
A
I
just
remind
you
of
something
that
recently,
then,
you
were
on
this
committee,
the
in
the
last
term,
council,
we
dealt
with
the
employment
land
review.
One
of
the
strong
pressures
we
had
was
to
start
the
bleed
of
retail
in
bar
Haven,
and
it
was
very
important
for
us,
Sean,
Muir
and
Lily
I
think
you
were
part
of
that
too.
It
was
very
important
to
us
not
to
let
that
happen.
Okay
and,
for
example,
we
have
Costco,
but
we're
not
expanding.
A
Nor
do
we
have
any
intention
and
we
actually
have
rules
that
say
we
can't
expand
retail
there.
Okay,
because
we
want
that.
What
is
there
is
what
is
there,
but
the
rest
will
be
for
prestige
business.
We
had
pressure
along
strand,
heard
between
Boris
okhane
and
Home
Depot
to
add
big-box
stores
and
that
sort
of
thing
there
we
said
no.
We
have
for
my
entire
elected
life
and
way
before
that.
We
had
this
identified
as
our
retail
district
in
the
heart
of
our
Haven,
which
why
I
call
it
a
downtown.
A
It
is
functions
like
that,
but
also
the
difference
is
is
that
we
now
are
almost
at
a
hundred
thousand
people
and
we
do
have
needs
for
retail
and
even
taking
into
consideration
the
the
big
development
that
we'll
have
over
in
Riverside
South
at
line
Bank
the
investment
of
most
you
knows,
and
that
sort
of
thing
that
we
we
flow
across
that
river.
All
the
time
there
is
evidence
to
show
that
bar
Haven
does
not
have
the
retail
capacity
that
it
needs
for
a
you
know,
Brockville
and
Cornwall
and
Prescott
probably
put
together.
A
So
we
have
always
been
careful
on
protecting
where
we
could
have
retail
and
I'm.
I
am
satisfied
with
what
they're
doing
here,
and
what
I
really
like
is
the
fact
that
they're
very
much
protecting
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
at
the
confluence
of
the
the
to
the
to
to
PR
tees
I'll
get
Sean
take
Sean.
You
have
anything
else
that
would
be
relevant
to
or
add
to
what
I
met.
G
G
We
know
that
we've
seen
the
the
bleeding
into
the
employment
lands,
the
city
gate,
pressure
of
commercial
and
number
two.
Is
that
the
pressure
if,
as
mr.
black
said,
if
we
see
an
OPA,
which
we
have
for
multiple
times
throughout
this
2006
plan,
coming
in
for
residential
densities
at
you
know,
sixty
units
in
that
hectare
with
stacked
townhouses
in
this
in
this
area?
Well,
that
that
residential
will
be
there
for
four
in
perpetuity
or
quite
some
time,
whereas
the
the
commercial
gives
us
a
chance
to
to
redevelop
that
in
the
future.
I.
G
A
Just
going
to
show
you
on
this
map,
that's
up
here!
That
Paul
is
you
see
where
it
says
Rio
can
that
purplish
color,
yeah?
Okay,
so
just
back
in
the
late
90s,
99
I
think
it
was
chaplain
Mills.
The
marketplace
was
approved
by
an
appeal
council,
and
that
is
the
area
that
is
in
the
brown
Wow
east
of
green
bank
and
where
that
purple
goes
through
to
the
east
of
that
purple
at
standard
is
Walmart.
A
We
purposely
made
that
ryokan,
which
is
an
inside
the
mall
Road
wide
it's
wider
than
than
the
average,
as
is
marketplace.
That
goes
this
way
along
it,
knowing
that
that
place
would
evolve
in
a
number
of
years,
so
in
that
10
years
from
now,
like
you
just
think
about
how
shopping
has
changed,
how
people
are
doing
that?
Why
you
know
we've
got
you
know
the
threat
of
low
stores,
how
many
45
in
Canada
they're
going
to
be
closing
big
box
and
that
I
can't
you
know
I,
don't
think
Kevin.
A
Are
you
here,
Kevin
yeah,
yeah
Kevin's.
Here
he
was
saying
just
last
week.
They
have
no
idea
whether
or
not
there's
going
to
be
a
big-box
store.
That's
even
going
to
want
to
go
there
right,
I
mean
that
that's
another
thing,
that's
fluid,
but
what's
really
really
neat
about
this
space
and
why
I
think
what
thing
I
think
is
going
to
drive.
A
What
the
heck
Civic
space
can
we
put
in
this
very
southern
suburban
community
that
the
city
would
want
to
invest
in,
it's
I,
know
always
knew
it
was
gonna,
be
a
service
center
and
things
like
that.
But
we
never
really
knew
and
now
having
the
identification
of
that
is
a
game-changer
I.
Think
that
those
two
things
that
and
the
fact
that,
even
though
I
don't
know
a
developer,
that
hasn't,
that
is
too
expensive.
A
My
goal
is
to
have
like
we
have
here
with
the
largest
green
roof
in
the
city.
Festival
Plaza
have
underground
parking
that,
in
the
daytime,
is
a
revenue
generating
park
and
ride
where
the
LRT
convert.
Sorry
conversion
will
go
right
into
that
garage.
Okay,
that's
that's!
That's
where
this
is
taking
us,
but
this
is
that
they're
really
the
beginning
of
the
process.
It's
a
change
again
from
2006,
but
still
all
the
bits
and
pieces
just
like
we've
had
the
Claridge
people
came
in
with
their
application.
The
mento
people
came
in
with
their
application.
A
You
got
a
you
know:
we
get
a
dog
park.
Finally,
a
first
one
along
the
river,
that's
going
to
be
built.
All
of
those
things
are
pieces
and
there'll
be
further
public
consultation,
as
the
nuances
are.
Are
you
know,
fleshed
out
and
become
reality.
This
is
just
something
that
changes
from
13
years
ago.
You
think
about
13
years
ago,
how
many
years
condo
inventory
do
we
have
in
the
2006
plan.
A
F
Ahead,
Thank
You,
chair
I,
they
four
out
of
this
development,
isn't
more
22
and
I
do
support
this
plan
and
I
find
it
quite
exciting.
But
as
someone
who
lives
in
this
area,
I
have
to
ask
a
few
questions
about
the
reality
of
the
plan
in
terms
of
living
in
a
suburban
area
number
one
I
see
they.
There
are
no
new
arterial
roads
planned
in
this
secondary
plan.
Is
that
correct?
Okay?
F
A
F
G
Chair,
that's
that's
what
we're
discussing
in
terms
of
the
redevelopment
schemes.
We
know
that
that
once
LRT
and
the
north-south
and
the
BRT,
east-west
long
Chapman
Mills
comes
in
there's
going
to
be
a
huge
appetite
to
redeveloped.
A
large
format
stores
and
the
policies
would
take
into
effect
for
that
redevelopment,
and-
and
that
means
that
when
we
review
applications,
we
would
be
requiring
that
applications
have
no
underground
parking
more
dense
uses.
G
You
know
the
kind
of
the
point
tower,
with
retail
at
grade
that
we're
seeing
in
the
inner
and
outer
core
and
in
kind
of
the
former
suburb
shopping
malls
being
redeveloped.
So
that's
the
policies
would
take
effect
and
that's
when
staff
would
be
reviewing
site
plans
for
more
intense
development.
Taking
advantage
advantage
of
the
the
transit
network
would.
G
F
Listen
don't
get
me
wrong.
I
am
an
environmentalist
I
I
want
to
see
more
people
taking
transit,
I'd
like
to
see
more
people
leaving
their
cars
at
home,
but
when
we
increase
density
to
the
amount
that
we're
forecasting
here
and
many
people
still
are
going
to
be
living
downtown
and
still
working
out
there
and
if
we're
going
to
shop,
I,
don't
know
the
last
time
you
came
out
of
Costco,
but
I
certainly
couldn't
carry
anything
in
my
arms
on
a
bus
going
anywhere.
F
People
are
still
going
to
be
relying
on
their
cars
out
there,
so
I
I
do
worry
about
people
still
parking,
so
I'm
wondering
how
how
the
city's
the
rebuilding
our
better
suburbs
plan
and
the
the
provisions
that
mr.
Willis
was
talking
about
yesterday,
but
a
formula
to
take
a
look
at
parking.
How
that
is
going
to
be
applied
to
this,
because
we
are
increasing
density,
we're
looking
for
a
new
job.
We
want
to
put
a
lot
more
jobs
in
there.
So
how
are
we
going
to
accommodate
that?
Madam.
G
Chair
there
isn't
just
to
be
clear:
this
is
the
higher
level
policy,
so
there
is
no
prescribed
reduction
in
parking
in
this
plan.
This
is
laying
out
of
the
future
groundwork,
so
I
think
we
would
see
that
when,
when
the
time
comes
for
redevelopment,
each
applicant
is
going
to
have
to
come
forward
with
a
site
plan
and
a
rezoning
probably
to
implement
and.
C
G
I
think
that's
that's
kind
of
in
the
future
of
how
we
would
we
would
be
looking
at.
It
also
keep
in
mind
that
that
it's
not
going
to
all
happen
at
once
when
it's
ready
if
this
area
is
165
hectares
and
it's
equivalent
to
the
size
and
larger
than
the
CBD
of
downtown
and
goes
probably
two
to
almost
st.
Catherine
Street.
If
you
could
imagine
that
size,
so
it's
going
to
it's
going
to
happen
incrementally
and
application
by
application
and
we'll
have
plenty
of
time
to
react
to
what's
happening
so.
G
G
A
H
A
Moore
did
I
think
it
was
Shawn
that
showed
or
Paul
one
of
them
showed
the
expansion
to
the
West
and
how
many
units
that
is
and
how
many
acres
that
is
two
poorest
okhane
and
what
the
impact
is.
This
whole
area
is
very
much
I
think
is
again
like
the
puzzle,
so
we've
got
lots.
We've
got
pieces
that
are
already
done
that
are
going
to
influence
and
we're.
A
You
know
the
change
to
the
Kennedy
Burnett
drain,
where
it
strand
hurt
where
Chapman
Mills
is
actually
going
to
come
up
onto
strand,
hurt
and
future
dedicated
BRT,
which
may
or
may
not
actually
happen
in
the
location.
That
is,
we
don't
know.
There's
lots
of,
we
don't
know
is,
but
as
we,
but
you
know
you
do
know,
and
the
reason
I
mentioned
this
too,
is
that
because
it's
bar
Haven
and
the
same
would
be
happening
in
other
suburban
communities.
A
Really,
you
don't
have
a
lot
of
people
that
come
out
to
speak
to
these
things,
so
we
haven't
had
a
lot
of
presentations
and
that
sort
of
thing
on
what's
happening.
One
of
the
things
we're
going
to
do
that.
Councillor
Dean's
actually
suggest
it
and
we
we
make
a
habit
of
it
and
we're
going
to
do
as
a
councillor.
Gower
and
I
have
talked
about
it
since,
in
the
springtime
we're
going
to
do
that
tour.
So
even
if
you're
on
a
tour
in
the
last
term,
so
much
has
changed.
It
really
is
helpful.
A
D
Madam
chair
members
of
committee,
hello,
my
name
is
Raymond
I
am
an
urban
designer
and
associate
with
NOC
design
strategies,
a
landscape
architecture
and
urban
design
firm
with
offices
here
in
Ottawa,
Toronto
Calgary
and
Orlando.
We've
been
engaged
to
look
at
the
bar
Haven
downtown,
specifically
the
Civic
complex,
taking
a
strategic
view
at
the
opportunities
that
exist
within
the
area
and
develop
an
overall
vision
on
how
to
make
a
great
downtown
destination
within
bar
Haven.
D
Sorry
this
illustration
demonstrates
the
entirety
of
bar
Haven
at
the
heart
of
the
community.
Is
the
downtown
glowing
in
blue
glowing
in
white?
Are
the
major
arteries
of
movement
that
are
converging
at
the
Civic
Complex,
creating
an
opportunity
to
make
this
note
a
great
destination.
The
vision,
therefore,
is
by
building
upon
the
principles
and
strategies
set
forth
within
the
south
opinion
town
center
CDP
bar
Haven
downtown
and
the
Civic
complex
would
become
a
valued
community
asset,
focal
point
and
destination
that
resonates
with
the
people
of
bar
Haven
and
instills.
D
To
discuss
to
us,
this
discussion
is
not
just
about
the
Civic
complex,
but
about
the
strategy
surrounding
it
working
together
to
create
a
great
to
create
greater
opportunities
for
the
community
to
thrive.
First
key
component
is
to
develop
a
strong
civic
and
cultural
hub
that
provoke
promotes
social
interaction
and
community
engagement.
The
second
is
to
support
the
various
modes
and
corridors
of
transportation,
including
Chapman
Mills
Drive
through
the
creation
of
a
community
destination.
The
third
is
to
establish
ryokan
Avenue
as
a
priority
Main
Street.
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
This
proposed
linear
park
will
be
host
to
for
open
space
transitions,
starting
from
the
Civic
Complex.
The
character
will
be
more
urban,
being
more
manicured
in
nature
to
general
urban,
a
transition
from
urban
to
suburban
to
suburban,
a
more
more
pastoral
in
nature
and
an
ending
off
with
the
natural,
a
reflection
of
the
trip
of
the
job,
River
adjacency.
D
This
is
an
artist's
rendering
of
how
all
these
ideas
could
come
together
in
the
fullness
of
time
to
create
a
great
year-round,
civic
and
cultural
destination
within
bar
Haven.
Even
in
the
wintertime,
you
could
have
a
great
space
for
events,
seasonal
decorations,
outdoor
skating
and
Main
Street
shopping,
creating
various
reasons
for
people
to
come
to
the
downtown.
The
key
is
in
supporting
this
in
the
key
and
supporting
the
evolution
of
bar
Haven
weather.
D
In
the
summertime,
the
Civic
Plaza
will
be
even
more
activated
with
opportunities
to
those
outdoor
events,
concerts
fairs
or
market
type
events,
food
festivals
and
more.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
the
vision
of
the
Civic
Complex
is
to
make
this
a
destination
within
bar
Haven
and
the
downtown.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank.
A
A
D
C
A
You
know,
and
it's
a
game
changer
to
be
approaching-
that
close
to
a
hundred
thousand
people.
It's
it
is
a
large
Ontario,
City
and-
and
you
know
it's
in
the
last
couple
of
years-
really
that
people
have
started
saying
hey.
We
want
a
Shankman
and
I
said
well,
we
have
a
center
point
and
they
said
no,
we
want
a
Shankman
bar
Haven
is
older
than
most
people.
A
Think
too,
if
first
people
moved
in
in
1969
so
and
it's
stuck
no
matter
what
people
say,
it
has
stuck
very
much
to
the
plan
from
the
early
days
of
a
Ben,
Franklin
and
Mel
bar
and
in
that
time.
So
the
neat
thing
I
mean
the
fact
that
we
didn't
get
the
north-south
oat
LRT
will
always
be
extremely
unfortunate
in,
but
what
it
did
give
us
is
to
be
RTS
that
meet
that
really
other
places
don't
have
and
I
think
they
gave
us.
The
north-south
LRT
I
think
that
was
about
2000
and
well.
A
Larry
O'brien
was
the
mayor.
So
whenever
he
became
the
mayor
about
2006
I
think
know,
2008
that
that
opened
does
a
game-changer.
Now
we
just
have
to
get
the
buses
on
it
to
serve
the
community,
because
we
will
take
it
because
it
is
there.
Thank
you.
Anybody
else.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
coming
out.
Ron
I
see
you
there
in
the
wings
come
on
forward
ron,
Richards.
I
Hello
members
of
committee,
my
name,
is
ron
Richards
I
act
for
the
BART
Aven
town
center
corporation
and
sonlife,
who
were
the
owners
of
the
bar
Haven
town
center
at
the
southwest
corner
of
strand,
hurt
and
Green
Bank
I
find
it
interesting,
madam
chair,
that
we
called
it
the
bount
bar
Haven
town
center,
when
I
first
developed
this
in
mid
1980s
and
late
late
1980s.
It
was
a
bit
of
a
game
changer
at
that
time,
as
there
was
no
urban
development
permitted
south
of
strand
heard
and
I
think
we
kind
of
had
an
idea.
I
Apropos
councillor
leapers
comments.
My
clients
are
concerned
that
by
adding
additional
retail
land,
it
in
fact
undermines
the
overall
objectives
of
the
secondary
plan
itself.
I've
provided
a
handout
to
everyone.
I
hope
you
have
it
just
for
the
sake
of
identification.
The
property
number
four
is
my
clients,
land
properties,
one
and
two
are
the
lands
that
are
proposed
to
be
included
within
the
standard
retail
district.
They
are
owned
by
me
on
and
rich
craft
and
property.
I
Number
three
is
a
property
that's
owned
by
rich
craft
and
they're,
suggesting
that
it
be
removed
from
the
Strand
to
retail
district.
So
they
do
have
a
component
that
it's
that
they
own.
This
is
within
the
district
and
they
are
suggesting
that
that
be
removed
and
to
be
developed
for
residential
as
you've
had.
As
you
heard
tonight.
The
objectives
are
to
create
a
compact
community
with
various
densities
and
and
a
community
that
will
be
transit,
supportive.
The
use
that's
proposed
for
the
Mian
and
rich
Kraft
lands.
The
retail
use
is
not
that
I
support.
I
However,
this
to
me
just
seems
to
be
an
anomaly,
almost
last-minute
throw-in,
that
we're
going
to
change
all
of
these
policies,
we're
going
to
change
all
the
dance
cities,
all
the
underlying
densities
and
we're
going
to
remove
problems
for
redevelopment
and
oh
and
by
the
way,
we're
going
to
throw
in
a
core
of
a
million
square
feet
of
retail.
So
I
I
am
I,
am
concerned
about
that.
My
clients
are
actively
now
planning
for
intensification
on
their
site.
I
It's
a
long
process
because
there
are
leases
in
place
that
require
almost
a
game
of
checkers
or
chess,
where
we
have
to
say
alright.
This
tenants
coming
up
in
five
years,
let's
move
them
or
let's
change
their
lease
terms,
so
that
they
can
be
moved
when
when
we
would
like.
But
we
are
now
looking
at
intensification
and
I'd
suggest
that
there
may
well
be
an
underestimation
of
the
demand
for
condominium
development
in
this
location
and
certainly
for
high-rise.
I've,
seen
it
elsewhere
across
Ontario,
where
just
because
it
hasn't
happened
yet
doesn't
mean
it
won't
happen.
I
The
cost
of
housing
is
the
driving
factor
and
we
also
see
within
our
Haven.
We
also
see
Lapine
developments
now
creating
rental
and
and
higher
density
rental,
which
is
not
out
of
the
question
for
other
parts
of
the
town
center.
So
I
would
ask
you
to
reconsider
the
recommendation
to
expand
the
bar
Haven
towns,
sorry,
the
Stratford
retail
district,
and
to
just
leave
the
lands
designated
as
they
are
proposed
by
the
underlying
designation.
Thank
you.
E
I
I
Ours
is
not
so
much
competition
where
there
we've
been
there
for
too
long
I
developed
in
1890,
and
it
is
now
coming
to
a
lifecycle,
and
so
we
are
already
seeing
erosion
of
the
types
of
uses
that
we
have
there.
There
are
some
questions
about
the
large
boxes
on
the
site
they're
viable
now,
but
we
continue
to
be
concerned.
I
If
anything
else
we're
now
creating
a
larger
area
that
will
have
to
convert
over
time
and
we're
introducing
new
product
that,
in
and
of
itself,
would
have
it
probably
a
30
or
40
year,
life
lifecycle
and
for
us
to
develop
residential
or
mixed-use
to
the
north
of
that
is
the
sort
of
the
reverse
argument.
That's
been
used
against
myself
and
some
of
the
public
meetings
where
as
well,
we
don't
want
to
build
residential
up
against
a
shopping
center,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
they're
suggesting
it's
appropriate
to
have
the
retail
expanded.
I
Well,
that
argument
can
continue
forever
down
the
line.
In
fact,
you'll
hear
from
mr.
Puckett
next,
who
represents
mian
mian,
originally
wanted
their
designation
to
you
completely
south
down
to
Chapman
Mills,
and
it
was
pushed
back
by
staff,
rightly
so
so
pretty
hard
not
to
deny
competition
on
the
surface
of
it,
but
really
we've
been
around
a
long
time
we're
doing
a
lot
of
major
redevelopments
which
I'm
working
on
a
project
now
in
Toronto
5,000
units
on
an
existing
shopping
center.
I
A
D
Good
morning,
good
morning,
madam
chair
members
of
committee,
my
name
is
Dan
Paquette's
I'm,
a
planning,
consultants
and
I
am
representing
the
meal
family,
which
mr.
Richards
just
referred
to
and
that's
the
property
at
3232
Jacques,
Ville
Road,
that's
the
municipal
address.
It
is
on
the
north
west
corner
of
Green
Bank
and
future
Chapman
Mill
Drive,
better
known
as
the
driving
range,
so
a
source
of
frustration
for
a
lot
of
people
who
are
trying
to
correct
a
slice
at
the
end
of
the
day.
I
I'm
not
gonna,
take
the
five
minutes.
D
My
point
is
very
simple:
we've
worked
with
staff,
we
weren't
one
of
the
applicants,
but
we
were
sandwiched
by
this
application,
so
we
had
to
react.
So
we
worked
with
staff
on
an
appropriate
land-use
program
for
this
property.
We
have
I
think
put
together.
A
staff
has
put
together
some
ideas
that
my
client
is
here
to
support.
So
for
the
record,
the
meal
family
supports
the
staff
report
in
front
of
you
period.
D
D
Report
that
madam
chair
on
that
issue,
rich
crafters,
are
neighbor
to
the
north.
Rich
Graf
requires
a
servicing
easement
through
the
meal
lands
in
order
to
service
their
lands
for
the
sanitary
sewer.
And,
yes,
we
have
been
working
very
hard
and
I.
We
have
established,
as
of
yesterday,
an
agreement
of
the
principles.
So
now
we
still
have
to
write
up
a
cost-sharing
agreement
which
lawyer
then
we
review,
but
we
have
established
the
big
picture
stuff.
So
we
are
definitely
on
first
more
on
first
base
for
sure
which.
A
I'm
really
happy
to
hear
cuz.
You
know,
as
I
I
know
how
critical
it
is
so
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
today,
I'm
going
to
be
tabeling,
but
we're
not
voting
on
a
request
for
the
expansion
of
the
Strand
heard.
Retail
district
land
use
be
limited
to
the
southern
boundary
of
rich
crest
property,
because
between
now
and
December,
the
11th
I
think
you
can
finish
that
I
think
that
there's
a
willingness
to
do
that.
Okay,
so
I,
want
I'll,
make
sure
you
have
a
copy
of
this
and
I'll
make
sure
that
mr.
A
A
Have
any
questions
for
mister
Paquette?
No,
please!
Let
me
know
the
good
news
as
soon
as
you
have
that,
so
the
motion
and
I
would
be
that
counselor
tyranny
would
be
tabeling
is
where,
as
they
report
bar
Haven,
downtown
secondary
plan
seeks
to
update
the
existing
secondary
plan,
which
includes
the
Strand
hood
retail
district,
whereas
in
this
case
I
would
be
limiting
the
expansion
to
the
southern
boundary
of
rich
crafts
property.
A
But
this
will
be
just
tabled
and
I'll
keep
you
posted
between
now
and
Council,
okay,
sometimes
and
we'll
hear
from
councilor
bleh
and
a
little
while
something
that
he's
doing.
Sometimes
these
things
just
have
to
take
place
anyway.
I
have
high
hopes
on
that.
One
I,
don't
think
we
have
any
more
I
think
we
have
any
more
registered
speakers
doing
okay,
but
we
do
have
before
we
get
into
any
other
debate.
We
do
have
counts.
A
vice-chair
tyranny
has
a
technical
kind
of
amend
motion
and
then
I
have
a
very
big
one.
C
Great
thank
you.
Madam
chair,
therefore
be
resolved.
That
planning
committee
recommends
council
delete
the
following
sentence
from
the
legal
implications
section
of
the
report,
as
this
is
a
city
initiated,
amended
amendment
to
the
Official
Plan
and
the
event
council
chooses
not
to
adopt
the
recommended
secondary
plan.
No
rate
of
Appeal
would
exist
and
be
a
further
resolved
that,
pursuant
to
the
Planning
Act
subsection,
34
17
no
further
notice
be
given.
A
That's
the
link,
that's
a
that's
a
legal,
that's
just
a
legal
fixer,
then
so
on
on
the
vice-chair
tyranny
motion
yet
carried.
Okay,
I!
Don't
think
anyone
has
anything
to
discuss
about
that.
So
anyone
have
any
questions
of
the
is
counselor
me
and
still
here.
Okay,
anyone
have
anything
on
the
on
the
report
itself.
K
You,
madam
chair,
my
questions
about
about
the
mixed
use
of
how
to
ensure
or
how
the
the
plan
that's
in
front
of
us
ensures
that
we
actually
have
enough
mixed
use
for
non-residential
and
I'll.
Try
to
explain
this
in
the
context
of
something
I'm.
Seeing
in
my
ward,
we
have
an
area
in
a
planned
community
that
was
designated
ten
years
ago
as
mixed
use,
but
so
far
just
about
all
the
development
has
been
really
predominantly
residential
and
we're
running
out
of
room
for
the
community
amenities
that
that
are
really
required
for
a
healthy
neighborhood.
G
Madam
chair
I
think
the
two
points
are
that,
throughout
the
mixed
juice
designations,
that
one
is
there's
a
minimum
FSI
for
non-residential
uses
of
0.5
so
which
would
which
would
help
trigger
that
buildings
have
to
be
multiple
stories.
And
the
second
is
that
there
is
a
sorry
there's,
there's
a
provision
that
all
the
buildings
have
to
be
a
minimum
two
storeys
in
height
four
for
those
designations,
north
of
Chapman
Mills,
which
would
be
mixed-use.
So
it's
those
policies
are
going
to
force
that
mix
of
uses
through
building
height
and
the
force
base
index
requirements.
So.
K
K
G
Madam
chair,
so
we
did
consult
our
policy
group
through
this
applicant
driven
Opa
and
we
what
we
did
was
if
much
like
a
Tod
plan.
We
pared
it
down
to
two
density
and
height
and
minimum
building
heights
and
took
away
policies
that
would
conflict
or
do
conflict
with
current
OPA,
the
Official
Plan
and
perhaps
a
future
official
plan.
So
we
we
made
sure
that
we
weren't
referencing
a
variety
of
sections
in
our
in
our
current
official
plan,
and
so
when
those
change
that
becomes
irrelevant
or
it's
lost.
So
to
your
point.
G
K
Last
question
is
just
going
back
to
mr.
Richards:
there
are
a
lot
of
landowners
in
this
area.
I
just
want
staff
to
confirm,
on
a
consultation
point
of
view,
how
the
many
landowners
you
know
we're
all
landowners
consulted
with
throughout
this
process
from
you
know,
even
up
to
the
last
couple
of
months
as
this
was
finalized.
Madam.
G
We
held
a
meeting
in
September
for
two
planets
subdivisions
within
the
town
centre
and
we
brought
this
this
item
as
well
to
that
and
in
addition,
we
had
a
in
summer
of
this
summer,
2019
we
had
a
landowners
meeting
where
we
consulted
them
formally
face-to-face
and
previously
not
with
city
staff.
But
fo
10
had
consulted
landowners
on
a
number
of
occasions
previous
to
submitting
their
application.
So.
K
A
You
good
question
and
also
last
night,
I'm
sure
that
I
think
they
copied
people
saw
a
few
people.
Maybe
six
to
ten
people
copied
everyone
on
committee
saying
that
there
hadn't
been
any
public
consultation.
They
didn't
know
about
it.
They
just
found
about
it.
When
Kay
Porter
wrote
her
article
and
and
and
you
know,
and
when
I
read
that
I
think
to
myself.
A
How
can
you
know
how
can
they
not
know
because
I
know
that
my
e-blast
and
my
bar
Haven
independent
article,
all
of
that
stuff,
just
in
public
meetings,
I
have
I'm
excited
to
talk
about?
This
is
a
very
big
initiative,
but
we
do
have
people
moving
in
every
day.
Every
morning,
every
afternoon
every
evening
people
are
moving
in
the
community.
So
if
we
look
at
it
that
way,
then
potentially
they
didn't
know
about
it.
I'm.
You
know
that's
just
a
fact,
but
I
did
ask
mr.
G
G
G
G
A
Okay,
so
I
wanted
to
do
a
bit
of
a
wrap-up
and
and
I
hope
that
you
had
a
chance
to
read.
Jason
McDonald
he's
the
president
or
chair
of
the
bargain
Business
Improvement
area,
and
he
sent
us
in
a
submission
yesterday,
I
think
or
the
day
before.
So,
if
you
haven't
read
that
maybe
before
council
you
could
but
they
talked
to
it
from
a
you
know.
A
One
of
our
largest
BIA
is
certainly
a
proactive
one
because
of
all
the
growth
and
that
sort
of
thing
very
active
on
bringing
employment
high
end
employment
actually
to
bar
Haven.
So
he's
got
some
good
comments,
but
they
also
I
think
refers
in
there
to
the
fact
that
the
BIA
has
spent
$50,000
hiring
GBA.
A
I
could
be
councillor
Gower,
who
is
certainly
facing
with
the
extreme
growth
that
he
has
councillor
any
other
suburban
council
council,
bleh,
councillor,
hubely,
councillor,
suds
and
now
councillor
Moffat
who's,
infringing
on
to
a
suburban
area
out
of
his
rural
community,
both
in
Statesville
and
in
bar
Haven.
As
an
example.
A
Nothing
illegal
me
watch
across
the
line
but
get
across
the
line.
But
my
point
is
councillor:
bland
I
have
been
talking
about
how
long
have
you
been
elected,
Steve,
nine
years,
so
for
nine
years
we
have
known
that
we
are
not
able
to
build
our
transportation
system
to
accommodate
growth
where
growth
is
happening.
We
just
can't
I've
had
many
discussions
over
the
years
with
Marian
similar
car,
our
treasurer,
who
has
done
a
great
job.
A
She
has
said
you
know,
I
said
how
is
it
that
every
large
project
in
the
inner
area
of
the
city
never
misses
a
beat?
It
happens,
it
happens
in
the
year.
They
expect
it
all.
The
people
in
the
city
pay
for
it,
and
yet
ours
get
deferred,
deferred,
deferred,
causing
me
to
do
something
dream
because
of
the
volume
of
traffic
on
what
is
the
new
Hunt
Club,
which
is
strand
her
drive,
so
you
have
the
417.
A
You
have
hunt
club
and
you
have
strand
hair
drive
which
a
third
of
it
is
a
two-lane
rural
road
with
an
ad
grade
crossing
connecting
Kannada,
basically
the
416
Riverside.
So
it
is
obscene
really
to
even
think
about
that.
We
still
continue
to
be
in
that
position
and
I
was
put
in
position
where
I
had
to
make
that
decision.
A
Having
made
that
decision,
I
can
tell
you
that
it
is
not
progressing
at
the
rate
that
it
should
for
a
hundred
and
three
million
dollar
project
now
part
of
the
hundred
and
three
million
dollars,
or
things
like
taking
advantage
of
the
fact
you're
going
to
dig
up
a
role,
so
roads
are
putting
a
new
water
infrastructure
at
a
huge
depth.
All
that
has
done
in
this
year
is
inconvenience
people
who
are
trying
to
drive
on
strand
heard
for
about
two
months.
A
A
The
goba
is
undertaking
an
audit
of
where
all
that
money
has
gone
over
all
these
years
since
amalgamation,
and
it's
a
report
that
I'm
really
excited
that
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
see,
because
I
think
that
it's
going
to
be
shocking
because
we
know
where
it
hasn't
gone.
Since
the
urban
boundary
last
changed
in
2006,
not
one
Road
has
been
widened
in
bar
Haven
and
not
one
new
road
has
been
built
in
the
community
since
2002.
A
That
has
been
the
number
one
growth
area
by
far
one
of
the
top
in
Canada,
and
we've
done
nothing
because
we
haven't
been
able
to
with
our
policies.
So
what
are
we
going
to
do
about
that
so
this
year,
all
that
people
in
bar
Haven
got
after
I
was
forced
to
take
money
from
the
Green
Bank
realignment
4-strand
heard
they
have
got
a
little
piece
wide,
not
too
four
lanes,
Oh
No
between
Costco
and
the
Toyota
one
lane.
A
So,
instead
of
four
lanes,
I've
got
three
lanes
not
such
a
big
help,
especially
when
you
have
the
situation,
the
safety
situation
of
a
via
crossing
and
the
volume
of
traffic
that
continues
to
queue
on
that
track.
Do
people
have
a
death
wish?
Of
course
they
don't.
The
volume
of
traffic
does
not
allow
you
to
have
a
flow.
That
is
reasonable.
You
have
no
idea
when
you're
going
to
need
to
stop.
You
have
no
idea,
you
know,
and
it's
on
AB,
and
you
have
no
idea
how.
A
My
point
is
this:
two
and
a
half.
Maybe
three
years
ago,
I
said:
okay.
I
have
no
choice.
You
can
take
that
money.
Meanwhile,
that
community
was
21%
of
all
growth
in
the
city.
Bar
Haven
was
28%
of
all
growth
in
the
city,
but
that
part
of
bar
Haven
was
21%
of
all
growth
in
the
city.
It
has
now
about
35,000
people.
A
The
community
is
almost
a
hundred
thousand
people
as
94
95,
and
not
one
change
has
happened
and
worse
than
that,
for
me,
is
that
I've
not
seen
the
change
on
strand
heard
so
one
lousy
lane
for
a
little
tiny
piece
and
that
water
work
oh
and
a
turn
lane
on
to
Boras
O'kane,
which
is
a
tremendous
help.
It
really
is,
but
it's
a
turn
lane
for
cars,
because
you
know
what
councillor
Kavanagh
when
you
turn
on
to
burst,
you
can't
guess,
but
it's
a
two-lane
rural
road
with
ditches.
Nobody
in
their
right
mind.
A
No
one
else
is
contributing
anything.
The
deals
still
not
done
so
staff.
Tell
me
that
they're
going
to
put
in
the
detour
the
two
lanes
that
are
between
the
Toyota
and
pass
the
tracks
this
year.
That's
it
to
two
lanes
with
I,
don't
even
know
if
they'll
put
asphalt
on
it,
but
that
will
take
it
around
the
current
crossing
so
that
whenever
they
have
a
deal,
they
might
start
the
work
after
they
might
have
to
change
the
design
etc.
A
We're
talking
2023
for
currently
ninety
five
thousand
people
who
had
Green
Bank
realignment
in
the
pocket
and
now
to
this
point,
have
virtually
got
nothing.
So
my
motion,
which
again
is
a
little
bit
extreme
but
I,
think
that
does
what
I
I
have
a
staff
to
look
at
doing
the
pieces
that
they
can?
You
know
what,
when
we
do
big
projects,
we
actually
want
to
do
them
holistically
so
that
there's
economies
of
scale
on
construction
right
do
as
much
as
you
can
with
the
one
thing.
A
Here's
the
thing
that
I'm
saying
do
all
the
pieces
except
the
overpass,
and
when
we
have
the
the
plans
for
the
overpass,
we'll
worry
about
that
then
and
I
will
be
looking
to
the
federal
government
to
give
us
some
money
for
that.
Why
not
it's
about
safety,
but
in
the
meantime,
I
want
that
other
for
the
fourth
lane
on
strand
heard,
I
wanted
to
go
from
from
the
Toyota
to
the
Costco.
A
For
heaven's
sakes
on
the
new
Hunt
Club,
the
new
east-west
road,
in
Ottawa
in
southern
Ottawa,
I
want
that
I
also
want
the
other
piece
that
goes
from
forest.
Ok,
where
we
have
the
turn
lane
and
the
intersection
that
Fraser
feels
so
those
people
we
didn't
have
to
bar
them
from
coming
on
to
strand
her
because
it's
so
unsafe,
we
had
to
get
them
to
cut
through
through
their
own
community,
to
escape
at
another
place
to
Home.
A
Depot
I
want
that
done,
and
I
also
want
mechanic
AC,
which
is
a
little
road
that
comes
over
from
Moody,
which
smart
people
know
is
an
escape
route
and
you
don't
have
to
deal
with
all
the
rest
of
it.
But
it's
so
close
to
the
tracks.
Ok,
that
I
want
that
closed
off
and
guess
what
we
have
just
on
the
other
side
of
the
tracks
dealership
way,
which
is
at
the
Tri
Meyers
Toyota,
with
traffic
lights.
A
A
And
whereas
a
strand
herd,
Drive.
Widening
project
is
scheduled
to
be
constructed
over
the
next
several
years
and
there
is
yet
to
be
a
final
agreement
with
via
for
the
grade
separation
and
whereas
the
demands
for
all
transportation
modes
crossing
the
Jacque
River
to
Half,
Moon
Bay
are
over
capacity
and
virtually
non-existent.
And
whereas
the
area
south
of
the
Jacque
River
has
grown
to
a
population
of
over
35,000
residents.
A
Road,
we've
done
the
EA
for
all
of
that
detailed
design
and
construction
of
the
extension
of
mechanic
AC
to
dealership
Drive,
including
the
closure
of
mechanic
AC
at
the
via
crossing
for
safety
reasons,
and
provide
this
information
prior
to
the
December
11th
council
meeting.
So
that
motion
may
be
considered
during
councils.
Consideration
of
the
2020
budget
in
committee
of
the
whole,
be
it
further
resolved
that,
pursuant
to
Planning
Act
subsection,
no
further
notice
be
given
so
you're.
Giving
me
back
to
chair.
E
K
C
A
Right,
no
matter
how
many
times
we
all
say
this,
whether
it's
Brian
Coburn,
whether
it's
Eagle
son,
whether
it's
Shay
Road,
whether
it's
Fernbank
whatever
for
those
of
you
that
never
go
to
the
burbs,
you
have
not
a
freaking
clue.
What
it's
like
a
person
would
be
a
family
outing
cannot
mean
that
you're
going
along
strand,
hurt
and
you're
going
to
shop.
Even
if
you
all
have
a
basket
and
you
want
to
put
stuff
into
it-
you
cannot
do
it.
A
You
can't
walk
a
long
strand
heard
you
have
to
cut
through
the
community,
I'm
really
good
at
giving
directions
on
how
to
do
that
from
if
you
can
make
it
to
Home
Depot.
Here's
a
great
idea.
You
can
do
this
in
this,
and
if
you
do
this
on,
oh
well,
then
you've
got
the
tracks,
but
you
can
take
one
of
the
underpasses
and
get
up
to
Costco.
Eventually,
right
I
mean
you
have
to
you
don't
understand,
and
obviously
this
is
not
an
easy
thing
for
me
to
do.
A
But
I'll
tell
you
it's
no
longer
a
desperate
thing,
because,
just
like
the
conversations
that
I've
had
with
with
Steve
Leigh,
we
are
going
to
find
a
different
way.
We
are
going
to
stop
these
these
very
important
roads
that
must
be
built
as
the
communities
are
being
built,
and
it's
not
the
developers
that
aren't
paying
their
share.
They
are.
A
We
have
to
get
them
built
in
the
timely
fashion,
it's
something
we
did
a
few
years
ago
and
and
and
I'm
sure.
Well,
if
you
are
a
suburban
person
or
even
know
about
suburbs,
you
know
this
we're
not
building
parks.
The
same
way
we
used
to
and
because
of
that
people
are
able
to
enjoy
a
park
in
the
community
they
move
into
within
a
year
or
it's
there
ahead
of
time
of
them.
Moving
in
what
a
phenomenon
it
used
to
be
like
10,
to
12
to
15
years
that
you'd
wait
for
that
darn
Park.
A
We
found
a
different
way,
we're
going
to
find
a
different
way
with
this.
Here's.
The
other
thing
that's
happening:
I
have
a
lot
of
developers
in
the
room
today
and
because
a
lot
of
the
suburban
developers
are
developers
all
over
the
city
and
traditionally
suburban
areas.
We
have
a
commonality
in
in
those
folks
and
they
are
being
told
well
because
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
widen
the
but
Green
Bank
realignment,
which
was
on
the
books
for
2016
until
2030
beyond
that,
okay
think
about
it,
2030
beyond
that,
maybe
be
longer
than
that.
A
Then
you
are
going
to
have
to
give
me
as
part
of
your
Tamarack
application,
a
million
to
a
million
for
so
I
can
stick
it
in
the
bank
and
wait
because
I
know,
because
of
what
you're
doing,
there's
going
to
be
an
impact
on
what
we
thought
the
road
might
be.
We
don't
know
for
sure,
because
we
don't
have
a
design,
which
is
what
this
is
going
to
accomplish.
A
We
have
done
that
in
the
past
two
years
ago.
We
did
that
with
madami
in
Half,
Moon
Bay
and
we
said
you're
gonna
have
to
give
us
almost
half
a
million
dollars
for
the
same
reason,
because
we're
not
going
to
be
building
that
row,
but
we
know
we're
gonna
need
money
to
do
the
redesign.
Well,
you
know
what
enough
is
freaking
enough.
A
There's
a
better
way
to
do
this
and
there's
a
better
way
than
me
saying,
give
me
an
extra
layer
of
money
that
we'll
spend
just
in
bar
Haven,
because
you
know
what
I'd,
rather
that
they're
spending
that
money
as
we're
building
the
community
building
their
parts
of
the
Green
Bank
realignment
all
the
way
from
Chapman
Mills
down
to
Barnes
Dell.
So
I
hope
that
you
will
support
this
great.
A
A
C
F
A
A
A
A
Now
I
have
Kevin,
I,
see
you
here,
it
says
and
Chris
Gordon
on
behalf
of
the
owner,
the
landowner
if
needed.
So
you
know
what
having
said
that
and
you're
saying
that,
if
needed,
I
think
likely,
you
will
be
needed
so
I'm
going
to
put
you
to
the
bottom
and
then
you
can
decide
whether
you're
needed
or
not.
Okay,
okay,.
A
J
L
A
L
You,
madam
chair,
my
name,
is
Bryan
cromby
I'm,
the
chief
financial
officer
for
the
Ottawa
Senators
hockey
team,
the
Ottawa
Senators
values
its
patrons
and
strives
to
provide
a
better
level
of
accessibility.
Almost
2400
vehicles
exit
the
CTC
by
way
of
palladium
Drive
after
each
event,
within
a
45-minute
period,
John
man
Kony,
said
last
week.
We
get
it
when
delayed
on
the
LRT
to
a
transit
rider.
One
second
feels
like
a
minute
and
a
minute
feels
like
an
hour.
L
The
CTC
recognizes
the
same
challenge,
the
same
perception
to
his
teeth
to
a
CTC
patron,
stuck
in
a
parking
lot
or
backed
up
in
a
queue.
A
second
feels
like
a
minute
and
a
minute
feels
like
an
hour.
We
agree.
Delay
is
actually
the
number
one
concern
of
CTC
patrons
today.
Getting
out
of
the
lots
is
already
one
of
if
not
the
number
one
complaint
by
our
fans
and
the
proposed
roadway
will
be
adding
additional
time
and
congestion
to
the
post
event.
L
Time
period,
the
development
of
719
homes
will
result
in
additional
pedestrian
activity
from
the
community
to
the
CTC.
In
addition,
ticket
holders
are
likely
to
park
in
the
neighborhood
and
in
the
commercial
areas
on
street
and
walked
to
the
CTC.
This
pedestrian
traffic
is
currently
designed
to
travel
along
the
north
side
of
palladium,
Drive
and
cross
the
north
side
of
the
roundabout
at
the
very
same
time
as
two
lanes
of
traffic
are
heading
to
the
417.
This
too
presents
a
delay,
a
concern
that
the
models
have
not
considered
and
a
significant
safety
concern.
L
Ctc
continues
to
experience
ongoing
costs
on
a
regular
basis
that
extend
well
beyond
our
lands.
We
pay
additional
cost
for
traffic
cones
off-duty
police
officers
as
far
away
as
800
meters,
north
of
our
property,
as
well
as
a
kilometer
south
of
our
property.
This
development
is
likely
to
add
to
those
ongoing
costs,
and
there
is
absolutely
no
mention
of
restitution.
Despite
repeated
requests
over
two
years
to
address
CTC
concern
to
this
roadway
proposal
and
the
end,
it
would
have
been
an
honour
development.
L
The
traffic
consultant
reports
undertaken
by
the
proponent
have
yet
to
show
any
analysis
that
provides
an
analysis
of
the
concept
upon
our
pre
event
and
post
event
patrons.
In
the
absence
of
this,
we
have
had
to
Commission
our
own
study
that
indicated
that
the
delays
that
increased
the
time
it
takes
to
travel
between,
hunt
mar
road
and
the
417
are
increased
by
ohm,
almost
four
minutes
or
400%,
even
with
numerous,
yet
to
be
accepted
improvements,
the
time
is
doubled
and
this
is
before
take
into
account
the
impact
of
pedestrians
crossing
the
roundabout.
L
There
is
no
discussion
of
alternative
options
or
staging
alternatives
aimed
at
minimizing
the
impacts
to
our
patrons.
This
morning,
you
received
a
letter
from
the
owner
of
the
Ottawa
Senators.
Please
let
me
read
it
dear
councillor,
harder
and
members
of
the
Planning
Committee
a
decision
to
allocate
a
specific
amount
of
funding
at
this
time.
Prejudge
is
the
decision
of
council
on
the
subdivision,
application
for
195
Hunt
mark
and
should
be
deferred
until
a
decision
is
made
on
that
application.
We
are
made
aware
of
this
report
when
the
agenda
was
published.
L
We
would
ask
that
you
defer
consideration
of
this
matter
until
the
subdivision
has
been
approved.
The
City
of
Ottawa
has
not
contemplate
completed
its
review
of
the
subdivision
and
has
not
issued
conditions
for
draft
approval.
Any
commitment
of
development
charge
funds
is
premature.
The
owner
has
not
yet
provided
the
city
with
any
detailed
plans
for
this
road,
as
the
subdivision
is
still
in
the
planning
stages,
not
the
design
stage.
L
The
requirements
need
to
be
agreed
upon,
prior
to
there
being
any
understanding
to
the
actual
costs
for
the
road
works,
which
is
the
subject
to
today's
approval,
as
previously
discussed
with
the
city.
The
impact
upon
the
current
road
operations
of
palladium
Drive
during
the
pre
and
post
game.
Events
at
the
CTC
have
not
been
included
in
this
analysis
done
by
the
owner,
and
this
we
don't
think,
is
appropriate
this
road
work.
This
road
network
must
be
able
to
serve
all
of
the
community,
including
the
patrons
of
the
Canadian
Tire
Center.
L
The
number
one
complaint
by
far,
which
has
been
congestion
experienced
by
over
1
million
people
annually
as
the
CTC,
is
the
only
major
community
facility
in
the
West
End,
the
City
of
Ottawa.
The
Demel
development
in
this
area
must
recognize
the
importance
of
such
a
facility
and
the
needs
of
those
who
attend
events.
The
timing
of
this
commitment
is
also
important
to
the
city
in
terms
of
budgetary
commitments.
If
this
work
is
not
to
be
undertaken
for
a
number
of
years,
then
the
city
does
not
have
the
funds
available
for
other
projects.
L
This
commitment
should
only
be
made
once
the
owner
has
made
the
commitment
to
build
the
sub
subdivision
by
finishing
the
subdivision
process.
The
city
has
failed
to
properly
consider
the
legitimate
concerns
of
capital
sports
and
the
Ottawa
Senators
and
its
over
1
million
patrons
made
over
a
number
of
months.
We
would
ask
that
the
city
work
with
us
to
arrive
at
a
solution
that
will
serve
both
the
land
developer
and
our
organization
signed,
Eugene,
Melnik
owner
and
governor
Ottawa
Senators
CEO
capital
sports.
Thank
you.
A
A
B
About
four
years
ago,
Transit
Commission
approved
a
plan
to
offer
the
Ottawa
Senators
a
similar
deal
that
exists
at
Lansdowne
Park,
where
there's
a
surcharge
on
tickets
in
exchange
for
free
transit,
and
this
would
enhance
transit
out
to
the
arena
in
the
West
End
and
that
offer
was
rebuffed
by
the
Ottawa
Senators
I'm
wondering
if
traffic
congestion
is
your
main
concern
with
the
Senators.
Consider
that
option
from
OC
Transpo
to
reduce
the
number
of
cars
travelling
out
to
the
arena.
L
Palladium
Drive
works,
and
this
proposal
destroys
the
one
thing
that
currently
works
best
in
regards
to
your
question.
If
we
put
a
surcharge
onto
the
tickets
that
reduces
the
revenue
associated
with
the
Ottawa
Senators,
the
Ottawa
Senators
fans
think
a
ticket
price.
They
think
about
a
ticket
price
for
a
full
price
standpoint,
and
so,
therefore,
what
it
will
do
is
reduce
our
revenue.
Take
the
Ottawa
centres
currently
enjoys
revenue
at
the
bottom
of
the
NHL,
and
so
the
answer
to
your
question
is
no.
L
However,
as
has
happened
in
other
cities,
other
NHL
cities
around
the
world
and
has
been
proven
by
economic
analysis,
a
surcharge
on
the
ticket
prices
is
effectively
us
paying
for
it,
not
the
consumers
paying
for
it,
because
the
pricing
of
a
ticket
is
thought
of
by
the
consumer
as
an
alden
price,
not
as
a
price
plus
the
the
surcharge,
and
there
aren't
enough
patrons
right
now
at
the
CTC
that
take
transit
with
the
LRT.
We're
hopeful
that
that
will
change
dramatically.
B
K
You
I
have
a
number
of
questions
for
staff,
but
I
will
save
those
to
the
end.
Mr.
crombie,
you
made
a
reference
to
the
meeting
that
you
and
I
had
with
share
harder
earlier
this
week
and
you
did
present
a
concept
of
an
alternate
transportation
plan
that
the
Senators
would
like
the
city
to
explore.
Can
you
describe
that
in
broad
strokes
for
us,
because
I
think
it's
relevant
to
the
whole
conversation
here?
Certainly.
L
Some
of
the
people
in
the
area
actually
think
that
the
whole
development,
both
the
roundabout
to
the
north
and
the
roundabout
to
the
south,
with
a
second
access
to
hunt,
my
robe
were
going
to
be
built
at
the
same
time
that
roadway
that
would
go
from
the
development
out
to
hunt
Mar
Road
would
have
absolutely
no
problems
for
the
CTC
in
no
way
shape
or
form.
Would
it
negatively
impact
us
and
it
would
probably
necessitate
a
slight
upgrade
to
hunt
more
Road,
probably
a
left-hand
turn
lane
at
Hunt,
more
Road
and
palladium
Drive
hunt.
L
More
Road
is
a
road
that
currently
is
under
sized
and
is
a
problem
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
your
residents
in
South
Statesville
would
probably
really
enjoy
the
upgrade
of
a
hunt
more
Road
and
would
have
zero
negative
impact
on
CTC.
We
think
that,
in
addition
to
that,
we
proposed
to
you-
and
we
proposed
to
the
proponent,
that
we
would
have
no
opposition
to
a
right
turn
off
of
palladium
Drive,
a
right
turn
on
to
palladium
Drive
and
even
a
left
turn
off
of
palladium
Drive
going
northbound.
L
The
difficulty
for
us
is
the
roundabout,
because
what
the
roundabout
does
is.
It
creates
a
hairpin
turn
that
takes
every
one
of
those
cars
southward
on
palladium
Drive
to
go
around
a
hairpin
turn
and,
as
I
mentioned
quickly
in
the
meeting,
we
have
not
yet
analyzed
the
impact
of
residents
crossing
that
roundabouts,
so
that
the
roundabout
impacts
negatively
the
time
dramatically,
but
with
residents
crossing
particularly
late
at
night
after
a
game
and
or
people
that
are
parked
in
that
area.
L
We
think
that
there
is
going
to
be
an
increase
in
delay
and
a
safety
issue
when
the
second
stage
proposed
already
has
no
problems,
for
us
has
no
negative
impact
to
play.
Diem
Drive,
we
believe,
gives
just
as
good
or
almost
just
as
good
access
to
the
development
and
would
actually
improve,
hunt
Mar
Drive,
which
I
think
all
your
residents
would
appreciate,
and.
K
L
Prior
to
2002,
it's
our
understanding
of
the
north-south
arterial
road,
which
I
believe
is
called
Abbott
Road,
was
supposed
to
come
straight
up.
Robert
grant
but
Robert
grant.
I
apologize
was
supposed
to
come
straight
north
to
intersect
with
palladium
Drive
somewhere
between
Frank
Finnegan
and
our
cyclone
tailor
the
roads
that
are
at
the
CTC.
We
believe
that
makes
sense.
There
are
numerous
different
cars
that
leave
the
CTC
that
go
south
on
hunt,
Morrow
Drive
with
the
current
proposal.
They
would
have
to
turn
left
at
they'd
have
to
turn
right
coming
out
of
the
parking
lot.
L
They'd
have
to
turn
left
at
Hunt
Mar
Drive
that
have
to
turn
left
at
the
nurse
South
arterial
they'd
have
to
turn
right
at
the
Urbandale
property
to
get
onto
that
Abbott
Road
to
go
south
versus
the
proposal.
That
was
that
was
in
existence
and
approved
by
I.
Believe
this
council,
prior
to
2002,
would
have
them
come
coming
straight
down
from
from
drive
from
cyclone
Taylor
that
we
think
makes
a
ton
of
sense.
L
In
addition,
what
we
would
propose
and
I
think
the
the
proposal
that
I
saw
for
bar
Haven
Town
Center,
is
exactly
what
I
was
suggesting
to
you
this
weekend
to
the
chair
of
of
this
committee
that
we
were
like
to
build
on
the
parking
lot
around
CTC.
If
we
have
that
kind
of
development
there
on
the
parking
lot
of
CTC,
we
would
propose
that
that
north-south
arterial
continue
through
cycle
Ontario
right
on
to
the
417.
L
We,
our
traffic
consultants,
have
suggested
to
us
that
you
face
the
exact
same
problem
at
castle
Frank,
where
you
had
to
build
castle
Frank,
where
you
had
to
expand
both
Terry
Fox
and
Marsh,
Road
and
Eagle
said
castle
Frank.
Being
a
half
interchange
was
the
solution.
We
believe
a
half
interchange.
There
would
be
the
solution,
and
if
that
happened,
then
the
roundabout
stage
later
would
have
little
impact,
because
the
vast
majority
of
our
demand
would
go
on
to
the
417
I'm.
K
K
2016
and
I
know
that
staff
have
done
a
lot
of
consultation
with
a
large
number
of
stakeholders,
a
very
complicated
piece
of
land
and
development,
but
how
have
the
Senators
you
certainly
have
met
with
staff
on
this
like
I?
Don't
want
I,
don't
want
the
impression
that
you
have
not
been
given
time
for
meetings
or
a
chance
to
air
these
concerns
with
staff.
Can
you
just
clarify
that
for
us
two.
L
Years
ago
we
sent
in
a
letter
saying
that
we
had
opposition
to
this
and
that
we
wanted
to
meet
with
staff.
In
the
summer
of
this
year,
I
met
with
the
head
of
your
planning,
department
and
other
members
of
staff
and
expressed
our
concerns,
and
at
that
point
in
time
our
biggest
concern
was
that
the
roundabout
was
moved
south.
They
said
because
of
MTO
concerns.
However,
the
two
roundabouts
that
are
north
of
the
417
are
exactly
the
same
distance
from
the
417
as
we
desired.
L
Not
that
does
not
the
distance
that
has
currently
been
requested
by
the
proponent
and
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
I.
Don't
think
that
the
proponent
has
gone
and
gotten
the
input
from
MTO,
and
we
are
very
worried
that
MTO
will
make
significant
additional
demands
on
on
this
development,
as
I
indicated
in
the
meeting
to
you
earlier
this
week,
and
that
may
increase
the
cost
of
this.
This
infrastructure
change
fairly
dramatically.
In
addition,
I
met
with
a
staff
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
I
effectively
was
told
that
it's
too
late.
L
The
train
has
left
the
station
for
an
exact
quote,
which
I
thought
was
completely
inappropriate,
particularly
given
that
the
proponent
has
not,
as
of
yet
produced
a
report
of
the
traffic
impact
post
event
or
pre
event.
All
they
have
done
is
produced
a
report,
a
traffic
study
for
the
a.m.
peak
and
the
PM
peak,
and
the
reality
is
that
the
CTC
exists.
The
CTC
is
on
your
official
plan.
It
exists.
It
is
the
number
one
or
number
two
economic
development
creator.
L
K
Also
mentioned
I
met
with
yourself
and
your
colleague
mr.
Pablo,
back
in
the
summer
and
I
did
direct
staff
to
ensure
that
they
were
taking
every
concern
of
the
Senators
into
account
in
evaluating
both
this
front
ending
and
also
the
the
future
subdivision
agreement
and
any
other
planning
application.
So
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
as
well.
You
know
I
have
more
questions
for
staff,
but
I'll
say
that
to
the
end,
madam
chair,
thank
you.
M
Just
to
build
on
and
follow
up
question
for
you
from
councillor
bleh.
Do
you
have
so,
for
my
understanding
is
that
the
the
transits
surcharge
on
your
tickets
would
have
been
less
than
$1?
Do
you
have,
and,
of
course,
what
that
gets?
You
is
that
every
patron
can
now
use
their
ticket
as
a
bus
pass.
It's
phenomenal.
It
worked
I.
Usually
when
I
went
down
to
Toronto
for
the
Pan
Am
Games,
it
was
the
really
the
thing
that
helped
me
go
down
to
the
Pan
Am
Games.
It
made
it
so
easy
to
move
around.
M
I
know
like
it's
like
councillor,
Blair
said
we
do
it
at
Lansdowne.
It's
been
a
huge
success
there
and
we
do
it
with
with
Bluesfest.
Do
you
have
examples?
You
mentioned
other
NHL
situations
where
that's
happened
and
it's
led
to
a
reduction
in
in
attendance
at
at
games
because
of
the
the
transit
aspect.
Would
you
be
able
to
provide
us
with
with
data
to
support
that
in.
L
Both
the
Calgary
and
Edmonton
negotiations
between
the
city
and
the
team,
they
provided
economic
analyses
that
showed
that,
to
the
extent
that
a
surcharge
was
applied,
that
what
would
end
up
happening
is
there
would
be
lower
demand
or
the
revenue
that
the
team
enjoyed
would
go
down
so
effectively.
Consumers
pay
a
price.
Consumers
are
willing
to
pay
a
price,
and-
and
frankly
you
know
this
was
mentioned
in
council
yesterday
by
the
mayor,
I
think
the
mayor
said
when
you
put
a
tax
on
on
a
building.
L
If
we
put
a
surcharge
on
the
tickets,
the
reality
is
the
consumer
pays
it,
and
so,
if
the
consumer
is
willing
to
pay
80
bucks
versus
79
bucks
in
a
box
surcharge,
that's
a
that's
a
buck
that
less
that
he
he
ends
up
paying
that
surcharge
and
so
therefore
he's
less
willing
to
come
to
the
game,
and
so
therefore,
either
less
people
come
to
the
game
or
supply
and
demand,
or
we
get
less
revenue.
So
it's
effectively
that
we
get
less
revenue
and
the
Ottawa
Senators
right
now
cannot
afford
to
enjoy
less.
M
Revenue,
not
$1,
so
when
the
mayor
is
speaking
yesterday
thousand
rental
units
right,
so
that
was
actually
talking
about
$25
a
month
increase
on
property.
So
over
the
course
of
a
year,
of
course,
that's
$300
and
what
we're
talking
about
for
a
ticket
price
would
be
about
$1.
It
may
be
less
than
$1
per
ticket,
so
you're
saying
that
that
addition
of
$1
per
ticket
would
negatively
impact
the
Ottawa
Senators
bottom
line.
Yes,.
L
And
as
I
said,
those
that
was
exactly
part
of
the
negotiations
in
both
Edmonton
and
Calgary
between
see,
Council
and
and
the
proponents
of
the
new
arenas
and
those
facilities.
And
frankly,
as
you
probably
know,
it
was
part
of
the
negotiations
that
took
place
here
in
in
Ottawa
when
considering
a
downtown
area.
You.
M
Factor
in
the
fact
that
that
$1
extra
per
ticket,
if
it
was
that
high,
would
lead
to
potentially
more
patrons
using
transit
to
get
to
your
building,
which
would
lead
to
less
vehicles
in
your
parking
lot,
which
would
lead
to
less
congestion
before
and
after
games
and
would
lead
to
the
number
one
problem
that
you
have,
which
is
delays
in
the
parking
lot
going
down.
Do
you
factor
all
that
into
your
costs?
What.
L
You're
effectively
saying
is
we're
forcing
to
make
transit
free
by
charging
everyone
for
transit.
If
transit
is
free,
more
people
use
it.
Yes,
but
you're
forcing
everyone,
everyone
and
the
vast
majority
of
our
patrons
don't
come
Byway
transit
you're,
forcing
everyone
to
come
by
way
of
transit,
I
get.
M
L
Respect
in
a
downtown
location
and
might
work
in
Canada,
it
will
not
work.
There
are
too
many
people
that
are
completely
reliant
on
cars
in
Ottawa
that
come
to
the
Ottawa
Senators
game
by
way
of
car,
if
you
forced
everyone
to
take
transit
until
and
unless
the
LRT
is
built,
I,
don't
think
it
would
work
on
what
you'd
end
up
doing
is
is
harming
the
economics
of
the
Ottawa
Senators.
Just
like
I
believe
that
this
this
interchange
change
is
harming
the
economics
of
the
Ottawa
Senators.
L
N
L
L
N
So
I'm,
just
under
I'm,
trying
to
understand
as
well
to
the
development
that
I'm
looking
at
a
map
of
the
the
ctc
and
I'm
very
familiar
with
other
arts
and
entertainment
aspects,
not
just
say
Lansdowne,
which
were
equated
it
to
but
say,
for
instance,
in
Vaughan
Canada's
Wonderland,
which
is
a
massive
attraction.
It
attracts
people
constantly
and
yet
there's
residential
that's
built
very
closely.
There's
retail!
There's
things
all
abutting
to
it.
N
The
road
networks
are
functioning
properly
and
it's
because
they've
invested
into
that
component,
there's
active
buses
and
transportation
from
all
areas
of
the
city,
so
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
your
opposition
to
having
almost
a
captive
audience
within
walking
distance
to
the
CTC,
which
would
be
moving
into
this
community
based
on
this
improvement
to
the
transportation
infrastructure.
So
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
that,
maybe
you
can
explain.
We.
L
Have
no
difficulty
with
the
719
residents
and
the
idea
that
some
of
those
or
all
of
those
would
become
Ottawa,
Senators
hockey,
fans
and
would
come
to
games
is
spectacular.
We
believe
that
what
ends
up
happening
is
based
on
the
current
plan.
Lots
of
them
and,
frankly,
lots
of
other
people
will
be
parking
in
that
area.
We'll
use
the
round,
but
we'll
cross.
At
that
roundabout
and
with
the
current
proposal,
that's
either
got
a
one-line
slip
line
or
maybe
a
potential
to
line
slip
line.
L
What
you're
going
to
do
is
you're
going
to
have
late
at
night,
numerous
residents
crossing,
which
is
number
one
going
to
have
a
delay
so
as
as
residents
cross
and
if
you've
ever
been
to
an
auto
senators
hockey
game,
you
know
from
hunt
Marv
drive
to
the
four
seventeen
on
palladium
is
a
constant
stream
of
traffic.
You
start
to
put
pedestrians
in
there
number
one,
that's
going
to
be
slower
number
two,
probably
what
we're
going
to
do
is
either
have
to
put
in
a
pedestrian
crosswalk
or
we're.
Gonna
have
to
have
off-duty
policemen.
L
That's
going
to
stop
the
traffic
because
the
safety
is
going
to
be
paramount.
That's
going
to
have
a
further
delay
and
it's
going
to
have
a
cost.
None
of
that
has
been
taken
into
account
so
far
in
any
of
our
studies
or
the
proponent
studies.
So
pedestrians
have
been
forgotten
in
this.
It's
in
this
equation.
So
far,
the
sidewalk
on
the
north
side
of
Palladium
Drive
only
comes
down
as
far
as
the
driveway
that
goes
into
the
Auto
Mall.
It
would
have
to
be
extended
down
to
the
bottom
of
the
roundabout.
L
I
do
think
that
those
fans
will
come
and
I
love
the
idea
of
those
fans
there,
but
the
impact
on
delay,
intermixing
pedestrians
and
a
roundabout
and
lots
of
people
have
said
roundabouts
work
great
for
cars,
they're
terrible
for
people
and
we're
doing
that
on
on
a
45
minute
to
an
hour
time
period.
That's
probably
some
of
the
busiest
streets
in
all
of
Ottawa's
you're
in
that
time
period.
So.
N
The
other
thing
is
the
fact
that
if
you
were
to
invest
in
our
transit
system
and
the
city's
transit
system
by
allowing
your
your
patrons
to
come
by
transit,
you're
talking
about
I,
don't
know
how
many
people
can't
you
can
pack
into
one
bus
but
say
a
hundred
people,
maybe
I'm
being
optimistic,
but
a
hundred
people.
That's
how
many
single
vehicles
off
that
road.
So
once
again
so
I
guess
I'll
get
back
to
another
point
is:
have
you
you?
You
said
a
4%
400%
increase
in
time.
What
does
that
actually
mean?
N
N
I've
gone
to
a
lot
of
Senators
games,
I've
gone
to
a
lot
of
activities
at
the
CTC
and
I
have
to
tell
you
when
I'm
coming
out,
I
know
I'm
going
to
be
delayed.
I
know
it's
just
gonna
happen
will
do
it,
will
stall
get
an
extra
drink
at
the
concession
stand,
or
do
some
that
buttock
waiting
that
to
riding
a
transit
system
and
getting
home
to
get
my
kids
from
daycare?
It's
not
the
same
thing.
So
I'll
just
put
point
that
if.
L
With
respect,
could
I
tell
you
that
it
is
the
number
one
complaint
from
all
of
our
fans
so
that
you
may
be
different
than
our
typical
fan.
Our
typical
fan,
more
importantly,
than
any
other
issue.
They've
got
with
the
auto
centers
today
complains
about
the
time
it
takes,
and
this
proposal
is
going
to
make
it
significantly
worse.
So.
N
L
Senators
believe
that
we
and
our
fans
actually
paid
for
this
interchange,
as
you
may
remember-
in
the
1990s
Bob
Rae,
the
premier
of
the
province
at
that
time,
did
not
fund
the
interchange.
It
is
the
only
privately
funded
interchange
in
Ontario
history,
the
fans
and
the
Ottawa
Senators
paid
for
that
interchange.
This
beautiful
road
that
is
designed
by
engineers
perfectly
to
get
people
out
of
our
parking
lot
onto
the
417
has
already
been
paid
for
the
Ottawa
Senators.
L
We
don't
see
why
you're
taking
a
road
that
is
perfect,
the
best
thing
about
the
exit
and
making
it
into
a
hairpin
turn
with
a
roundabouts
and
pedestrians
crossing
it
you're,
taking
the
best
thing
about
our
exit
and
making
it
worse
when
there
is
an
alternative
that
we
think
is
half
the
price
that
improves
the
one
roadway
that
we
think
stitch
Ville
is
going
to
enjoy.
This
is
a
little
stub
of
a
road
that
no
one
Institute's
will
is
going
to
appreciate.
A
Councillor
Huebel
Ian
I
just
want
to
let
everybody
know
that
sitting
here
patiently
in
the
audience
we
have
eight
items
held
after
this
item.
Yeah
I
can't
make
it
up
I.
Do
somebody
counted
eight
items
so
normally
our
rule
is
for
me
to
ask
you
if
you,
you
want
to
take
a
break
for
lunch
of
12:30
I,
didn't
ask
you,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
unless
somebody's
going
to
argue
with
me
after
this
item,
we
are
breaking
for
lunch,
which
will
be
a
half
hour
break.
A
So
for
those
of
you
in
the
audience
that
may
not
be
here
associated
with
this
item.
If
you
would
like
to
go
and
grab
something
to
eat,
feel
free
I
can
tell
you.
I
still
have
how
many
speakers
three
say.
Three
speakers
at
least
I'd
say
that
we're
probably
not
back
gonna
be
back.
We
definitely
won't
be
back
before
1:30,
possibly
1:45.
Well,
you're
gonna
take
half
an
hour,
but
we
have
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
do
take
the
half
hour.
Okay,
sorry,
counselor,
hubely,
Thank,.
D
You
Jer
just
a
couple
of
points:
if
I
could
mr.
cromby
I
know
you're
raising
the
concern
of
you've
mentioned
several
times
about
the
general
manager
transit
talking
about
transit
users,
but
my
understanding
is:
there's
no
plans
for
transit
to
be
going
through
this
piece.
They
have
the
ramp
off
a
lot.
Nine
that
is
used
for
transit
direct
to
the
417.
Is
that
not
correct?
Maybe
counselor
Gower
can
tell
us
if
you're
not
aware
I'm
not
going
through
those
right,
Rancic.
L
D
So
and
the
other
point
you're
saying
that
your
your
customers
wouldn't
accept
a
dollar
charge
on
the
ticket
for
transit,
and
so
therefore
it
would
come
out
of
your
cost.
But
studies
are
showing
that
in
cases
where
you
do
this
partnership,
such
as
the
red/black
games,
the
revenues
from
alcohol
and
food
go
way
up,
because
people
are
using
transit
instead
of
driving
home
and
I.
Think
your
profit
margins
a
lot
higher
on
beer
than
it
is
on
you,
the
dollar,
on
your
ticket.
We.
L
Invest
a
fair
amount
in
transit.
We
advertise
our
partnership
with
OC
Transpo
I
believe
it
is
a
very
healthy
partnership
that
we've
got
with
OC
Transpo.
We
and
OC
Transpo
in
the
MTO,
as
you
well
know,
because
you
mentioned
it
in
our
meeting-
constructed
a
ramp
us
on
to
the
417
so
that
we
could
get
people
out
of
the
parking
lot
on
buses
more
quickly.
We've
recently
entered
into
a
partnership
with
one
of
the
major
restaurants
in
the
in
the
city,
Royal
Oak,
where
we
will
provide
them
transit
from
their
their
restaurants
to
the
game.
L
L
No
I'm
not
accepting
that
and
and
that
wasn't
held
out
in
the
analyses
in
Calgary
in
Edmonton.
There
may
be
some
incremental
food
and
beverage,
but
if
you
actually
take
a
look
at
the
OC
Transpo
buses,
they
leave
almost
right
away
after
the
game.
The
people
are
getting
read
on
those
buses
and
going
away
people
that
are
staying
a
longer
period
of
time.
What
they
tend
to
do
is
take
ride,
share
and
taxis
home
good.
So.
D
Mister
crombie
want
to
recognize
that
you
do
do
a
lot
with
transit
and
to
try
to
move
people
around
there's
a
lot
of
shadow
buses.
I've
used
them
myself
when
I
go
to
the
games.
I
like
the
the
shuttle
buses,
the
but
there's
something
more.
We
can
do
and
that's
what
my
colleagues
is
get
are
getting
that
and
the
former
chair
of
transit
was
part
of
the
original
discussions
with
your
organization.
D
I
think
was
before
your
time
with
the
organization,
and
it
may
very
well
be
time
to
come
and
revisit
that
again
as
a
way
to
attract
back
some
of
your
fans
as
well.
So
I
hope
you
take
it
under
consideration.
I
look
forward
as
the
neighbor
to
your
location,
I,
look
forward
to
working
with
Council
Goward
and
make
sure
that
any
pedestrian
traffic
is
looked
after
in
this
development
and
I'm
sure
he's
looking
for
ways
to
work
with
you
and
help
your
business
because
he's
a
kind
of
guy.
So
thank
you
very
much.
K
We've
sort
of
turned
into
the
Sports
Economic
Committee
and
I
wanted
to
get
back
to
planning
committee,
we're
looking
at
a
front
Denning
report
and
I
neglected
to
ask
you
mr.
Crombie
the
alternate
idea
that
you
have
for
vehicular
access
to
the
subdivision.
That
depends
this
front
ending
agreement.
I,
believe
you
have
a
cost
estimate
for
what
you
believe
it
would
cost.
Do
you
have
that
available
for
the
committee?
Yes,.
L
L
Know,
as
I
said
before,
I
think
we've
contributed
more
than
enough
on
building
the
Palladium
Drive
palladium
Drive
works.
We
think
palladium
Drive
should
be
stayed
the
way
kept
the
way
it
is.
What
we've
done
is
presented
to
you
to
staff
and
to
the
proponent
that
we
think
that
they
could
get
access
out
to
the
road
system
for
half
the
price
by
building
this,
which
effectively
means
that
you've
got
more
DC
money
available
for
other
things.
Okay,.
C
O
Morning,
you've
heard
a
lot
of
the
the
thunder
that
has
been
expressed
from
the
senators
with
regard
to
this
application.
My
firm
is
Casselton
consultants
with
office
here
in
Ottawa,
as
the
primary
office
office
in
Calgary
as
well.
We've
been
working
with
the
Senators
for
well
over
a
decade
now
on
trying
to
mitigate
concerns
from
their
patrons,
who
expressed
very
loudly
that
delays
of
a
considerable
concern
to
all
of
their
of
all
their
concerns.
O
O
O
In
the
absence
of
having
any
of
that
analysis
that
we've
done,
we
did
determine
indeed
that
there
are
significant
delays
that
are
occur
as
a
result
of
this
initiative.
A
report
which
we
submitted
to
city
staff,
which
we
also
request
to
be
conveyed
over
to
the
proponent,
indicated
a
whole
series
of
elements
or
concerns
that
could
be
used
to
mitigate
the
configuration
to
the
greatest
extent
possible.
That
would
still
result
in
delays,
but
at
least
reduce
the
impact
to
the
community.
O
O
Our
conversations
with
MTO
is
little
over
a
week
ago
indicated
that
they
have
not
seen
or
agreed
to
any
configuration
changes
that
would
accommodate
the
needs
of
pedestrians.
Cyclists
between
the
417
ramp
terminal
and
the
roundabout
to
the
south,
there's
particular
safety
concerns
that
has
been
alluded
to
I'm,
not
going
to
speak
about
levels
of
service
and
numbers.
I'm.
Just
going
to
speak
about
rationality,
this
development
proposes
700
dwellings
immediately
to
the
west
of
the
Palladium
corridor.
O
It
will
link
to
the
Statesville
main
community
pedestrian
wise,
even
though
the
roadway
doesn't
exist
now,
pedestrians
will
walk
over
to
the
community.
Is
just
green
space
walk
through
the
community
in
order
to
get
to
the
CTC
Center?
Everyone
agrees
that
there's
some
a
minimum
of
2,400
vehicles
and
that's
in
45
minutes
that
are
trying
to
use
those
slip
lanes
to
head
north.
The
current
plan
provides
for
a
sidewalk
on
north
side
crossing
those
vehicle
lanes.
There
should
be
no
pedestrian
sidewalk.
On
the
north
side,
all
pedestrians
should
be
on
the
south
side.
O
There
are
no
accommodation
for
cycling
lanes
in
concert
with
a
cycling
plan.
You
may
hear
indeed
that
the
plan
needs
to
be
furthered
and
there
will
be
additional
changes
to
the
plan.
Our
question
is
simply
this:
you
have
a
dollar
value
in
front
of
you
down.
Next
to
the
two
dollars,
it
doesn't
cover
the
costs
with
respect
to
ever
all
the
infrastructure
that
residents
may
be
expecting
I
think
as
a
minimum.
O
What
might
be
considered
as
a
mitigation
might
be
emotion
that
could
read
something
like
planning
committee,
direct
city
staff
and
request
the
development
proponent,
to
examine
staging
and
refinement
opportunities
to
mitigate
delays
and
improve
safety
of
the
subject.
Works
that
address
the
Canadian
Tire
Center
concerns.
K
K
E
So
the
stage
that
we're
at
right
now,
with
respect
to
the
design
for
the
front
ending
agreement
really
is
a
conceptual
design.
We
went
through
a
process
to
make
sure
that
it
could
be
accommodated
within
the
block
being
provided
through
the
subdivision
to
main
to
ensure
that
the
components
of
the
roundabout
that
we've
been
asking
the
developer
to
include
are
can
fit
within
it,
but
certainly
we
have
a
detailed
design,
a
road
modification
process
to
go
through,
as
that
design
is
ultimately
refined.
But
you
know
there
was
this.
E
There
has
been
a
significant
amount
of
back-and-forth
between
the
city
and
the
developer
with
respect
to
that
conceptual
design.
At
this
point
and-
and
part
of
that
is
to
include
some
of
the
accommodations
that
the
Senators
organization
has
asked
for
with
respect
to
helping
to
facilitate
traffic
exiting
their
facility.
C
N
N
The
reason
we're
interested
in
this
file
is
the
because
the
auto
a
plated
model
park,
two
owns
about
nineteen
acres
on
the
south
side
of
palladium
the
started
off
as
a
larger
property.
The
gas
station
was
severed
and
sold
and
the
police
station
the
property
was
created
so
we're
dealing
now
with
the
remaining
19
acres.
N
The
plan
for
kanata
West
has
been
ongoing
for
I,
going
to
say
probably
about
20
years,
and
so
the
original
road
pattern
was
established
long
ago
and
it
was
planned
for
quite
a
long
time
that
palladium
drive
would
be
realigned
to
have
a
I'll
say
a
t-intersection
with
a
future
north-south
arterial.
The
configuration
that
you
see
this
morning
for
this
front
ending
agreement
is
the
result
of
really
a
response
from
MTO
to
say
well
the
conceptual
plan
that
was
proposed
for
many
years.
N
In
fact,
the
intersection
would
be
too
close
to
highway
417
and
has
been
moved
south
in
response
of
that.
The
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
and
discussion
on
this
for
many
many
years
and
we
have
been
working
with
the
owners
of
195
hot
mar
to
enable
I'll,
say
a
workable
solution
to
this
part
of
this
involves
a
land
exchange
between
palladium
2
and
the
owners
of
hot
Mar
Drive,
and
they
were
the
owners
of
palladium
to
would
like
to
see
this
through
and
that's
why
they
support
this.
N
This
front
ending
agreement
proposal,
that's
before
the
committee
this
morning,
so
with
that
I
think
we've
concluded
and
I
forgot
to
mention
Jeff
Colley,
is
here
with
me:
he's
representing
the
Palladium
two
owners
group
through
the
Graham
organization
and
with
me
in
the
audience,
is
Jeff
Mirren's
and
he's
also
part
of
the
palladium
2
group.
So
we
are
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
A
J
Morning,
madam
chair
and
members
of
committee
with
me
today
is
Christopher
Gordon,
the
project's
transportation
engineer.
We
filed
our
application
on
this
property
July
22nd
2016.
More
than
three
years
ago,
we
started
consulting
with
the
Ottawa
Senators
before
that
date.
This
was
our
formal
application
date.
We've
met
with
a
number
of
different
personnel,
different
consultants
through
the
years
with
that
organization.
J
Our
development
will
include
155
single
detached
homes,
418
townhouses,
13,000,
800
square
meters
of
community
retail,
42,000
square
meters
of
office,
space,
a
city-owned
district
park
and
a
prospective
high
school.
The
park
in
high
school
would
have
shared
facilities,
which
would
benefit
both
of
their
economic
instance.
In
that
case,
our
goal
was
to
create
a
plan
that
would
shape
the
corner
of
Statesville.
We
are
an
agreement
with
staff
recommendation
on
the
form
of
the
front
they
in
the
agreement
that
the
front
any
agreement
will
build.
J
The
first
section
of
a
key
piece
of
Statesville
transportation
infrastructure,
Robert,
Grant
Avenue.
The
construction
of
this
robert
robert
grant
is
consistent
with
the
transportation
master
plan
phase
2
project
it's
affordable
within
the
development
charge
by
law
in
the
city
ten-year
financial
model.
It
conforms
worth
as
an
incremental
to
the
north-south
arterial
Robert
Grant
plan.
It
has
the
support
and
concurrence
of
the
MTO
is
consistent
with
the
transportation
network
for
Canada
West.
The
Ottawa
Senators
were
invited
to
be
part
of
the
Canada
West
owners
group
at
the
very
conception
of
this.
J
J
We
also
have
the
approval
of
all
the
other
jacent
landowners,
and
we
have
the
the
ten
million
dollar
budget
allocation
affords
the
north
round
about
realignment
of
palladium
and
the
connection
to
the
417.
We've
looked
at
the
senators
alternate
proposals
they
to
be
frank.
They
make
no
sense
to
us.
They
they
do
not
work
they're,
not
part
of
what
was
planned
for
this
community.
They
do
not
work
for
what
we
want
to
do
here.
J
J
The
51
second
was
told
to
us
to
be
a
100
percent
doubling
of
the
time
it
takes
to
get
out
of
the
Canadian
Tire
Center
I've
been
a
season
ticket
holder
since
the
very
first
day
of
the
Ottawa,
Senators
and
I
remain
a
fan,
I've,
never
driven
out
of
the
Canadian
Tire
Center
in
51
seconds.
So
it's
more
like
30
minutes,
plus
51
seconds
you
to
exaggerate.
A
point
means
you
don't
have
a
strong
point.
I
agree
with
the
senator,
that's
an
issue,
but
that's
that's.
J
That's
the
the
the
context
of
having
a
20,000
people
or
whatever
how
many
people
are
attending
games,
leaving
a
piece
of
community
infrastructure
such
as
it
is
we
consulted
with
them?
We
don't
need
the
to
slip
lanes
for
our
community
we've
consulted
with
them
we've.
We
believed
we
met
most
of
their
demands
or
their
requests.
We've
included
in
a
budget
we're
prepared
to
front
end
the
funds
to
pay
for
those
slip
lanes.
We've
been
waiting
a
long
time
for
this
development.
J
It
makes
sense
our
next
steps
are
to
and
to
stipulate
that
they
haven't
seen
the
detailed
design.
That's
the
next
steps,
that's
the
process.
We're
in
today.
We
look
for
the
front
end
agreement,
the
next
steps
we
complete
the
roadway
modification
approval
and
functional
design
report.
After
that,
we
continue
our
supporting
transportation
analysis.
We
continue
our
consultation
with
the
MTO,
as
our
analysis
is
prepared
and
the
functional
design
is
created.
K
J
We've
looked
at
it
it's
from
a
just,
an
economic
development
perspective:
it's
not
feasible,
it's
not.
It
makes
no
rational
sense
with
what
we're
trying
to
create
there,
and
our
costing
of
that
analysis
is
about
twenty
four
point:
six
million
dollars
I
think
we've
shared
that
with
staff
and
had
comments
back
so
I
would
I
would
let
them
speak
to
that,
but
when
we
see
six
million
dollars
and
the
road
alignment
is
not
prepared,
the
land
ownership
is
not
ready
for
that.
J
J
A
K
For
staff,
yeah
good
for
staff
and
wrap
up
yes,
I
have
a
number
of
questions,
so
we've
heard
sort
of
something
different
from
each
of
the
delegations
in
terms
of
the
MTO's
involvement
here.
Can
staff
clarify,
have
MTO
evaluated
the
transportation
plan
and
what
kind
of
feedback
have
we
heard
from
the
MTO?
Madam.
E
E
I
did
have
a
discussion
with
the
representative
from
the
Ministry
of
Transportation.
Last
week
we
had
a
you
know.
The
indication
that
they
gave
to
us
was
that
they
have
been
in
discussion
with
the
Kavanagh
Shankman
group
to
review
their
designs
that
in
general
they're
supportive.
They
appreciate
there
may
be
a
need
for
more
things
to
be
fleshed
out
as
we
go
through
the
road
modification
process.
Okay,.
K
E
Certainly,
madam
chair,
we
try
to
provide
an
efficient
road
network.
You
know
we
did
meet
with
the
Senators
organization
on
the
15th
of
November,
where
they
presented
their
their
alternate
phasing
plan,
which
provides,
you
know,
certainly
a
more
circuitous
route
for
the
development
at
the
benefit
of
the
people
that
are
attending
it
for
games
or
other
events
at
the
CTC.
E
The
circuitous
route
does
create
a
challenge,
but
you
know
there
are
other
challenges
with
that
proposal
as
well,
that
you
know
at
a
very
high
level
and
again,
we've
only
had
sort
of
that
discussion
for
not
quite
two
weeks
so
there
you
know
there
are
certainly
some
challenges
on
that
on
that
on
the
high
level
that
we
identify.
That
would
need
to
be
flushed
out
before
ever.
Considering
that
type
of
proposal,
you
know,
certainly
that
we
do
have
policies
in
our
transportation
master
plan
that
speak
to.
E
K
Happy
stop
so
we
heard
from
the
proponent
that
the
cost
of
their
alternate
concept
for
providing
access
would
be
six
million
and
we
heard
from
their
proponent
it's
twenty
four
point:
six
million
I!
Imagine
it's
somewhere
in
the
middle
that
have
staff
done
any
analysis
on
what
the
cost
would
be.
Madam.
E
Chair
staff
have
taken
a
very
high-level
look
and
we've
looked
at
some
comparables
and
recent
costings.
You
know
from
a
unit
rate
and
what
we're
looking
at
really
is
the
construction
of
a
road
under
their
alternative
phasing
proposal
is
the
construction
of
the
first
two
lanes
of
robert
grant
from
the
southern
roundabouts
out
to
hunt
maher
we're
looking
at
the
widening
of
hunt
mar
and
the
urbanization
of
hunt
mar
north
to
palladium.
E
K
Million,
okay
and
I
think
it's
important
for
the
committee
to
know
too
that
the
land
that
this
arterial
road
will
serve
195
Hunt
Mar
is
right
now,
I
mention
it
because
it
came
up
in
the
the
letter
that
was
circulated
by
the
Senators
that
they're
looking
for
it's
the
sequence
of
subdivision
approval,
verses
the
front
ending
approval,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
this
particular
195
hunt.
My
land
development
is
not
being
approved
unless
there
is
the
arterial
road
being
built.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
K
Thank
you,
I'm
gonna
try
to
wrap
it
up
briefly,
because
this
has
been
a
long
I
don't,
but
you
know
we
often
get
accused
of
approving
developments
without
the
transportation
infrastructure
in
place.
In
this
case,
we
have
a
very
complex
land
development,
known
as
195
Hunt
Mar
that
actually
is
being
held
up
because
there's
not
transportation
infrastructure
in
place.
There
is
no
arterial
road
to
give
access
to
it.
The
Senators
are
presented
one
plan.
The
proponents
have
presented
another
plan,
but
bottom
line.
K
This
application
will
not
be
approved
until
there
is
some
kind
of
access
and
it
is
a
incredibly
complex
file,
mr.
actually
mr.
Phillips,
or
was
it
mr.
Gordon.
One
of
our
delegations
alluded
to
some
of
the
stakeholders.
Here
you
have
the
MTO.
You
have
the
auto
park,
you
have
the
School
Board,
you
have
the
Ottawa
Senators.
We
have
a
district
park
that
we
had
to
move
around.
The
MTO
even
has
a
animal
burial
ground
at
the
north
end
near
the
Queen's
way
that
had
to
be
dealt
with.
K
K
This
is
a
significant
investment
in
our
community.
The
Ottawa
Senators
have
suggested
a
plan
that
they
believe
will
cost
six
million
I,
don't
know
what
the
actual
cost
is,
but
it's
certainly
more
than
that,
and
certainly
more
than
ten
and
a
half
million
dollars
and
I
think
what
the
Senators
are
looking
for
in
the
long
term
is
for
us
to
reopen
the
transportation
master
plan
for
the
Statesville
Canada
West
area.
K
The
proponents
to
move
forward
for
one
to
three
minutes
of
egress
time
at
the
end
of
the
game
doesn't
seem
like
a
good
balance.
So
I
would
encourage
my
fellow
committee
members
to
support
this
and
allow
us
to
move
forward
on
a
small
but
important
part
of
Robert
Grant
Avenue,
which
is
a
crucial
part
to
our
transportation
infrastructure
in
the
West
End.
Thank
you.
A
Anyone
else
have
anything
to
say
No
so,
on
the
item
carried.
Thank
you
very
much
I'm
going
to
ask
committee
members
if
they
would
agree
to
notice
a
motion
that
that
counselor
bleh
was
intending
to
put
at
the
end
of
the
at
the
end,
but
but
now,
but
but
to
vote
on
whether
or
not
we
can
actually
put
the
motion
on
the
agenda
now
and
do
it
now
is
my
point
because
otherwise
we
wouldn't
be
doing
it
till
the
end.
He's
got
a
commitment
that
he's
not
perhaps
going
to
be
back
here.
A
B
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair.
The
issue
of
road
closures
to
support
development
is
causing
a
lot
of
pressure
all
over
the
city
and
I
feel
that
there
is
a
need
to
address
it
so
there,
whereas
the
city
has
no
legal
obligation
to
close
roads
for
the
development
of
subdivisions
and
whereas
these
developments
provide
a
significant
financial
return
to
the
Builder
and
whereas
these
road
closures
cause
stress,
environmental
damage,
productivity
loss
and
detour.
Large
volumes
of
traffic
through
neighborhoods
and
past
schools,
therefore
be
it
resolved.
B
Moving
forward
to
ensure
that
concerns
expressed
in
this
motion
are
addressed
so
effectively.
We
would
remove
delegated
authority
today
to
to
the
counselor
for
their
concurrence
and
asked
the
general
manager
to
come
back
with
a
new
process
sometime
next
year
for
the
authorization
of
road
closures
to
support
development.