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Planning Committee meeting – November 28, 2019 – Audio Stream
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A
B
A
Mr.
Fichtner
are
you
here.
Mr.
Fichtner
is
a
Fichtner
mr.
Charles
Fichtner,
okay
I'll
keep
coming
back
and
calling
him
we're
going
to
go
to
the
next
one
then,
which
is
oh
Linda,
Howe
Linda.
Are
you
back?
Linda
is
always
on
time.
Maybe
she
left
zoning
bylaw
amendment
eighty-seven
sterling
Avenue
Linda's,
not
here
Olivia
go
Chie,
okay
might
be
together
and
Brian
Casa
Grande
you
back.
Yet
no
okay,
we're
batting
nothing.
A
A
8900
Jean
d'arc
Boulevard
north
dan
Paquette's.
This
is
your
lucky
day
as
long
as
Lee's
Dion
laverre
Lee's
are
you
here?
Has
she
ever
been
here?
Do?
Does
anybody
know
what
Lee's
looks
like
because
she's
in
counselor
it
says
here
Cumberland,
but
actually
it
is
counselor,
loo
loves
or
leans
ward.
Maybe.
A
Okay
is
Lee:
are
you
Lee's
DeYoung?
No,
okay,
sorry
Dan!
You
may
not
have
got
a
lucky
day
I'm
going
to,
but
because
it's
now
five
minutes
after
I'm
gonna
run
through
all
the
ones
we
have
held
and
then
we'll
go
back
to
the
beginning.
Okay,
next
is
250
bass
or
street
and
I
know
that
we
have
people.
But
do
we
have
everybody
that
wanted
to
speak?
We
have
Daniel,
we
have
Daniel
Rose
he's
here:
Janice
Elias
off
ileus
off
and
manic
Duchene
you're,
here
who's
lays
a
do
less
itis.
B
A
C
A
He's
not
here
either
so,
okay,
so
you're
texting,
so
we'll
go
back
to
him.
His
best
hour
will
come
first
Oh
Carl.
Here
you
come
there.
Well,
you
might
get
lucky
and
then
we're
holding
the
draft
operating
in
capital
budget.
Raymond
Sullivan
has
submitted
his
comments
and
he
had
to
leave
Christine
santol.
Are
you
here?
Okay,
how
about
Casey,
Hundley
and
kulit
Bay,
okay,
you're
here
and
Shelley?
Are
you
back
that's
okay,
anyway,
all
right?
A
B
A
Okay,
Brian
Casa
Grande.
Are
you
back
yet?
Okay,
but
I?
Think
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
with
this.
One
anyway
is
Linda.
Hold
here,
see
ya,
but
Olivia
go
chase
here
right
all
right.
Okay,
let's
start
with
that,
one
that
would
be
an
an
O'conner
at
87
sterling
is
an
O'conner
here:
yeah
Oh
Brian
we're
starting
on
87
sterling.
A
And
for
everybody
in
the
audience,
when
I
say
a
time,
I
set
my
ice
I
value
your
time.
I
set
my
alarm.
So
really
now
we're
almost
ten
minutes
past
the
time
so
I'll
be
calling
one
more
time,
but
then
we'll
be
done
so
Linda
hold
is
not
here
but
maybe
is
on
her
way.
Olivia
go
che
come
on
forward.
This
is
87
sterling
Avenue.
It's
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment.
B
B
B
B
A
C
B
C
A
D
D
Thank
you.
Fortunately,
I,
don't
have
a
lot
to
say,
you'll,
be
glad
to
know,
but
I've
waited
a
long
time
to
say
it.
You
did
receive
a
submission
from
me
and
I
would
just
like
to
emphasize
a
couple
of
the
things
that
I
mentioned.
I
guess
the
the
first
thing
is
actually
a
very
good
idea
that
the
applicant
had,
and
that
is
to
provide
a
visitor
parking
space
in
near
the
front
of
the
building
which,
but
also
served
for
loading
and
unloading
for
people
who
come
to
do.
D
You
know
Bell
and
all
the
rest
of
them
or
uber,
or
you
know,
people
who
are
delivering
parcels
because
that's
been
an
issue
on
our
narrow,
one-way
streets.
If
people
come
and
there
is
no
place
for
them
to
park
off
the
street,
they
can
be
blocking
the
road.
The
other
thing
I
would
like
to
mention
to
you
is
bicycle
parking.
D
We
appreciate
that
there
is
more
than
there's
more
than
one
bicycle
parking
space
per
unit
more
than
the
city
requires.
However,
we
would
like
to
suggest
to
you
that,
as
you
progress
with
your
rezoning
official
plans,
you
make
the
bicycle
parking
requirement.
Much
higher
in
areas
where
no
parking
vehicle
parking
is
to
be
provided,
which
is
now
a
considerable
portion
of
the
city
and
that
you
set
a
standard
for
indoor
bicycle
parking.
D
The
façades,
that's
the
biggest
issue.
I
sent
you
a
picture
of
the
building
as
it
now
exists,
and
we
have
asked
on
a
couple
of
occasions
that
the
brick
be
retained
as
opposed
to
being
covered
up
with
the
more
modern
materials.
Modern
materials
on
the
top
can
be
blended
quite
nicely
with
existing
brick
in
our
experience
and
I
guess.
The
other
thing
I
would
like
to
say
is
to
thank
the
staff
and
then
the
developer
for
making
the
improvements
they
did
due
to
the
original
facade
of
this
building.
D
You
must
have
seen
in
the
report
what
well
we've
got
it
up
there.
It
was
originally
all
black
and
the
front.
Porches
were
our
front.
Balconies
were
pretty
iffy,
so
there
have
been
improvements,
and
we
do
appreciate
that,
but
I
guess
the
last
thing
I
want
to
say
is
the
addition
of
the
low-rise
apartments
through
the
r4
zoning
review
to
neighborhoods
such
as
Hintonburg
will
meet
considerable
resistance
if
higher
quality
compatible
designs
are
not
required.
D
It's
very
important
when
you
are
facing
something
as
large
as
this,
and
you
can't
see
from
these
plans
the
context
in
which
it
sits,
but
you
can,
from
the
photo
I
provided
see
what's
next
door.
The
other
side
is
similar.
You
really
do
have
to
make
extra
effort
to
make
these
bigger
buildings
fit.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
D
B
You
have
my
commitment
to
use
in
whatever
leverage
we
can
get
to
try
to
retain
some
of
those
facades.
One
of
the
things
I
did
want
to
highlight.
Is
your
your
earlier
comments.
This
summer
after
our
open
house,
the
HCA
noted
it
is
unfortunate
that
the
applicant
chose
to
proceed
with
retention
of
the
existing
structure
and
construction
of
the
addition
prior
to
approval
of
this
application.
These
actions
preempt
or
render
more
difficult.
B
D
It
was
just
that
we
do
encourage
developers
to
come
to
our
zoning
committee,
where
we
invite
neighbors
to
discuss
their
projects
and
what
can
happen
if
you,
if
we
do
this,
we
are
offered
an
opportunity
and
the
developers
offered
the
opportunity
to
exchange
ideas
and
for
us
to
say:
oh,
that
isn't
going
to
fly
here,
we're
going
to
oppose
it,
or
we
suggest
that
you
try
this.
You
might
achieve
the
same
thing
by
you
know
flipping
so
often
you
know
flipping
the
building
can
make
a
big
difference
as
to
how
it
fits
into
the
neighborhood.
B
A
D
Our
association
has
a
history
of
working
with
developers,
I
mean
we
don't
oppose
everything
we
understand
or
think
we
understand
the
zoning
bylaw
and
people
neighbors
often
do
get
it
all
upset
about
no
parking
height
and
where
you
have
to
explain
its
the
zoning
bylaw.
We
can't
fight
that.
What
we
have
to
do
is
work
on
how
we
can
make
it
work
better,
for
us
got
to
be
reasonable,
but.
B
I
mean
if
this
had
been
a
demolition
instead
of
sort
of
jerry-rigging
a
seven
unit,
building
on
to
something
that
was
pre-existing
and
working
with
the
building,
permit
system
etc.
Had
this
building
being
built
as
a
custom
building
for
seven
units,
it
would
have
had
more
bicycle
parking
would
have
had
more
amenity
space.
The
units
would
be
better
laid
out
for
for
larger
households.
Perhaps
we.
D
Would
yeah
we'd
hope
so
and
actually
you
know
the
side
yard
setbacks.
They've
benefited
to
a
great
extent
by
the
existing
non-conforming
rights
of
the
existing
building
and
they've,
extended
them
prior
to
getting
permission,
I
guess
or
they
extended
them
as
a
right
to
a
certain
extent,
but
had
they
applied
for
the
seven
unit.
Apartment
building
I
think
there
would
have
been
more
pushback
in
terms
of
some
of
those
other
the
side
yards.
The
things
that
impact
the
neighbors
yeah.
C
E
Chair
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
Bria
Aird
I'm,
a
planner
at
photon
planning
and
design
and
have
been
working
with
Brian
Casa
Grande
on
this
project.
Also
with
me,
is
Olivia
go-to,
who
is
the
project
designer
and
is
representing
to
be
so
in
light
of
the
limited
comments
I'm
just
going
to
respond
primarily
to
the
facade,
the
materiality
concerns
and
the
the
existing
building
and
Olivia
can
speak
to
the
process.
E
E
There
is
a
desire
to
retain
the
brick
facade
on
the
on
the
first
floor
and
were
certainly
willing
to
work
through
those
issues
with
the
community
and
with
staff
through
the
end
of
the
site,
plan
control
process
and
the
materiality
on
the
this
side
yard,
where,
where
there
is
higher,
visibility
from
the
street
has
also
been
addressed.
So
I
think
there
is
some
room
to
continue
to
work
on
those
issues
through
site
plan
and
and
we're
certainly
willing
to
work
with
the
community
on
that
front.
E
The
other
thing
I
do
want
to
note
is:
is
that
this?
A
significant
number
of
the
relief
that
we're
seeking
is
due
to
the
fact
that
the
existing
building
is
retained
and,
and
that
does
have
implications
in
terms
of
the
affordability
of
construction,
so
so
that
is
a
decision
that
that
I
think
makes
sense
in
the
context
of
this
development.
I
think
those
are
the
direct
issues.
I
wanted
to
speak
to
and
I
think
Olivia
will
just
address
the
larger
process.
Questions
so
in
terms
of
process
to
be
developments
largely
focuses
on,
could.
E
So
for
the
process,
GB
development
really
focuses
more
on
rejuvenating
older
buildings,
instead
of
just
doing
the
knocking
them
down
and
trying
to
build
all
brand
new.
So
in
this
case
we
wanted
to
maintain
some
of
the
character
of
that
house,
which
is
why
we
did
work
with
the
community
to
keep
the
existing
brick
to
reduce
some
of
the
the
privacy
overlooks.
E
I
mean
we
do
understand
that
some
of
the
process
which
we
had
taken
wasn't
exactly
what
the
community
wanted
and
that's
largely
due
to
us
being
new
upcoming
and
working
with
converting
older
homes
into
these
new
low-rise
developments.
But
we
think
that
you
know
working
with
the
community
this
way
and
having
these
numerous
meetings,
we
can
work
together
and
make
it
a
very
successful
project.
E
Madam
chair,
just
to
add
to
what
Olivia
has
said
again
to
be
is,
is
a
new
firm
and
at
the
time
took
this
two-stage
process.
It
seemed
it's
legal
and
it
seemed
to
them
to
just
have
advantages
in
terms
of
construction
and
then
we've
since
had
meetings
with
to
be
as
potent
and
and
also
with
the
councillor
where
we've
looked
at
the
process,
and
you
know
real
made,
made
them
aware
of
the
constraints
of
this
process
and
I.
Think
they're
committed
to
continuing
to
work
with
the
community
and
the
councillor
in
a
more
open
way.
A
C
That
did
provide
a
little
bit
of
clarification
as
to
why
the
process
was
involved
appropriately,
but
I'm
a
big
fan
of
process
planning
dictates
process,
and
it
requires
it
and
that's
what
why
many
of
us
make
our
decisions
based
on
you
know,
developers
and
groups
and
individuals
following
process.
So
I
would
just
like
to
get
your
thoughts
on
what
you
think
was
the
maybe
miss
lien.
But
what
do
you
think
was
the
intent
of
the
the
owner
in
doing
this?
C
Was
it
to
circumvent
our
processes
and
to
ultimately
get
what
they
wanted,
or
was
this
something
that
we
should
disregard
this
one
time
only
like
I'm
really
stuck
on
this
one,
because
once
again,
we're
supposed
to
be
having
this
strong
partnership
with
the
communities
and
in
conversation-
and
this
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
good
example
of
that.
Thank.
E
You,
madam
chair,
the
process
that
they
followed
while
discouraged
by
planning
services,
is
permitted
through
the
Planning
Act,
so
just
to
break
down
to
be
more
clear
about
what
the
approach
that
was
taken.
They
applied
for
a
building
permit
for
an
extension
to
the
existing
duplex
without
letting
building
code
know
that
they
plan
to
convert
it
into
a
low-rise
apartment.
Building
the
permit
was
issued
within
a
few
weeks.
E
They
apply
for
a
minor
rezoning
and
a
site
plan
control
application
I
flagged
it
through
my
own
research,
when
I
received
the
application
that
a
permit
had
been
recently
issued
for
a
different
use.
But
at
that
point
the
permit
had
been
issued.
It
was
fully
legal,
their
approach,
but
it
was
discouraged
by
our
department.
We
flagged
that
for
them
immediately
and
it
they
and
it's
very
hard
for
me
to
speculate
about
their
intentions.
I
would
I,
don't
feel
comfortable
doing
that.
E
F
A
Prefer
that
you
didn't
know
because
I
mean
we're
getting
into
personalities
and
that's
where
they
asked.
They
said
that
they're
they
don't
remember
and,
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
I
understand
why
you're
bringing
this
up,
because
we
hear
that
sometimes
from
other
applications,
but
I
think
that
we
just
stick
with
what
this
one
is.
Today,
if
you
don't
mind,
maybe.
A
C
A
A
A
A
G
I
wish
to
speak
to
three
points:
life,
fire
safety
issues,
responsibilities
and
potential
liabilities.
This
development
in
an
r4
zone
was
originally
approved
at
being
three
for
XXX
units.
The
frontage
of
each
of
the
Lots
was
reduced
from
12
meters
to
9
meters,
and
the
intent
was
always
to
turn
them
into
apartment
buildings
with
four
units,
but
the
application
was
made
for
three
now
that
they're
coming
back
they've
built
it.
G
G
Allowing
this
to
happen,
the
issues
particularly
that
I
want
to
focus
on
are
the
driveway
and
the
side
yard
setback.
If
we
look
at
this,
we
have
the
street
at
the
top,
the
two
driveways
between
two
pairs
of
triple
X's
and
a
parking
space
in
the
rear
come
on
work
here.
How
can
I
make
this?
Why
is
this
not
working.
F
G
Brings
it
down
okay,
so
again,
there's
another
another
one
of
the
sketches,
and
the
issue
arises,
particularly
with
respect
to
the
fact
that
each
of
those
apartment
buildings
has
three
doors
exiting
directly
onto
the
driveway,
and
that
raises
a
concern
for
safety
in
that,
if
one
we
have
a
very
long,
narrow,
driveway
and
if
there's
a,
for
example,
a
child
having
a
dispute
with
parents
and
decides
to
leave
the
house
fast.
The
chance
of
having
an
accident
with
a
vehicle
going
through
the
laneway
is
considerable.
G
If
there's
a
domestic
dispute
or
a
handicapped
person-
and
someone
is
coming
out
of
the
building
again,
the
risk
of
accident
is
non-trivial,
there's
just
another,
drawing
showing
the
the
fact
that
there
are
in
each
of
the
two
driveways
three
doors
in
the
building
code
act.
There
is
a
specification
of
the
role
of
various
persons.
The
the
there
is
a
role
for
the
designer.
There
is
a
role
for
the
Builder.
It's
specified
each
has
to
play
their
role
in
ensuring
compliance
with
all
of
the
requirements
of
the
Building
Code
Act
and
the.
G
There
is
a
problem
with
this,
though,
and
it
was
reflected
in
a
decision
of
the
Supreme
Court
in
the
year
2000,
and
that
is
that,
as
the
Supreme
Court
said
in
its
decision,
it
was
a
challenge
against
the
City
of
Toronto
contractors
and
the
normal
courses.
Events
will
fair
to
observe
certain
aspects
and
that's
why
municipal
municipalities,
higher
building
inspectors
to
inspect
the
plans,
verify
compliance
and
to
inspect
the
the
building
as
it's
being
constructed.
G
It
notes
as
well
there.
The
requirement
is
to
ensure
that
all
developments
meet
the
requirements
of
the
bylaws
and
it's
as
the
court
said,
the
inspector
must
ensure
compliance.
Oh
gee,
sorry,
how
do
I
go
this
way?
There
are
a
few
other
comments
made
in
the
Supreme
Court,
but
it
clearly
points
out
that
these
municipalities
have
clear
responsibilities
to
ensure
health
and
safety
and-
and
that
was
essentially
the
subject
of
the
discussion.
G
So
recognizing
the
municipality
has
a
role.
There
are
specific
rules
identified
for
the
chief
building,
official
and
the
municipality,
and
there
are
roles
specified
as
well
for
the
building
inspectors,
and
all
these
are
to
an
inspection,
incidentally,
is
inspection
at
two
stages.
One
is
plans,
approval
and
the
second
is
approval
of
the
building,
as
actually
being
constructed
in
issuing
a
permit.
G
Part
of
this
process
is
that
the
building
officials
at
the
city
have
to
ensure
that
a
permit
is
issued
unless
the
building
will
contravene
the
act,
the
building
code
or
any
other
applicable
law,
and
the
Act
defines
applicable
law
as
including
the
zoning
bylaws.
So
there
is
a
legal
obligation
to
ensure
that
it's
done
and
that
is
put
on
the
city
staff,
there's
also
a
prohibition
against
building
any
building
in
any
way
that
deviates
from
the
approved
plans.
So
if
one
wants
to
deviate
from
the
approved
plans,
you
must
get
prior
approval
of
those
revisions.
B
G
Yes,
counselor
there
there
is
the
I
if
I
can
I'll
flip
down
and
because
I
think
it's
important
to
see
what
the
zoning
bylaw
says.
I
will
on
the
way,
by
just
note
that,
specifically
under
the
Act,
the
responsibility
for
ensuring
compliance
is
assigned
to
City
Council,
it's
not
assigned
to
city
staff
and
within
the
provisions
of
the
Municipal
Act
itself.
G
B
G
That's
what
council
is
a
so
it's
your
role
to
ensure
compliance.
Now,
the
within
the
zoning
bylaw
there
is
a
provision
section,
101,
a
which
says
that
parking
spaces
and
all
driveways
leading
to
those
spaces
must
be
set
aside
and
used
exclusively
for
that
purpose.
In
other
words,
if
you
read
that
wording
strictly,
what
you
see
is
you
cannot
use
a
driveway
as
a
pedestrian
path
to
access
doors
and,
if
one
complies
with
that
the
issue,
the
concern
that
I
raised
about
accidents
happening
in
the
city
becoming
liable
is
eliminated
in
the
zoning
bylaw
itself.
G
There
is
also
an
interpretation
section
which
makes
leaves
no
doubt
that
the
the
bylaw
is
written
in
plain
language.
The
words
are
clear:
the
words
are
simple
and
if
the
words
have
there
must
have
their
ordinary
meaning
and
the
most
restrictive
provisions
must
be
applied.
So
the
words
have
to
be
you
that
the
words
have
to
be
interpreted
as
they
say.
G
Then
there's
a
question
of:
will
the
an
injured
party
then
sue
the
city
for
having
allowed
a
building
to
be
built
that
clear
so
clearly
appears
to
have
violated
the
the
explicit
wording
in
the
zoning
bylaw
that
the
driveways
leading
to
parking
spaces
must
be
used
exclusively
for
that
purpose.
Okay,.
G
G
A
B
Was
a
question
as
well
of
when
the
builders
build
they
they
they
dig
and
the
measurement
to
the
wall
doesn't
include
a
few
centimeters
worth
of
cladding
on
the
building
which
I
you
know.
If
I
can
speak
for
mister
Fichtner
for
a
second,
so
the
setback
is
actually
he
needs
a
bit.
The
developer
needs
a
slightly
bigger
set
back.
Then
they
were
granted
by
the
committee
of
adjustment,
because
that
setback
doesn't
account
for
several
inches
of
construction
on
top
of
the
wall.
So
I
can
ask
staff
about
that.
If.
C
A
C
Meters
to
one
point,
two
meters,
and
whereas
during
the
construction
process
and
surveying
method,
the
use
of
cladding
on
the
side
of
the
building
accounts
for
a
minimal
amount
of
construction
tolerance
and
whereas
the
cladding
on
the
side
walls
may
extend
slightly
closer
than
the
proposed
one
point.
Two
meters,
therefore
be
it
resolved
that
Planning
Committee
recommend
to
council
that
the
recommended
interior
side
yard
setback
be
a
minimum
of
one
point.
I
In
a
long
long
day
and
I've
got
yet
another
item
after
this
one,
so
I'm
simply
going
to
state
that
I
fully
support
the
staff
recommendation.
I
fully
support
the
motion.
That's
before
you,
it's
just
it
will
keep
things
clean
and
unless
there's
any
questions
from
members
of
committee
I
would
ask
you
to
approve
the
staff
recommendations
as
amended.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
B
A
B
You
and
I
think
the
the
issue
of
how
they
measure
and
the
the
fact
that
some
in
many
cases
they
are
probably
out
of
compliance
with
the
variance
because
the
measurements
that
surveyors
are
taking
are
not
taking
into
account.
Several
inches
of
construction
on
top
of
the
wall
is
something
that
we
need
to
work
with
with
staff
and
communities
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
hundreds
of
buildings
that
are
out
of
compliance
and
make
sure
we're.
On
top
of
that,
I
think
you've
probably
seen
my
comments
in
the
report.
B
Mr.
Fichtner
asserted
that
the
developer
went
to
the
committee
of
adjustment
seeking
approval
for
a
triplex
and
now
they're,
seeking
the
zoning
permission
for
a
fourth
I.
Do
want
to
emphasize
that
when
mr.
Chow
and
the
developer
came
to
the
community
meeting
to
familiarize
the
community
with
this,
he
set
it
on
the
table.
I'm
going
to
the
committee
of
adjustment
I'm
going
to
ask
for
the
variances
necessary
to
build
a
triplex,
but
then
I
will
be
coming
back
to
City
Council
asking
for
the
fourth
unit.
B
When
he
went
to
the
committee
of
adjustment,
he
told
the
committee
of
adjustment
I
am
seeking
the
variances
necessary
to
build
a
triplex,
but
be
aware
that
if
I'm
granted,
that
I'm
going
to
then
go
to
City
Council
and
ask
for
the
zoning
permission
to
put
in
the
fourth
unit.
I
have
gotten
some
good
support
around
the
committee
table
for
trying
to
push
back
at
developers
who
are
seeking,
after
the
fact,
fourth
units
for
buildings,
where
they've
always
intended
to
have
them.
In
this
instance,
I'm
going
to
be
supporting
the
applicant
because
they
were
transparent.
B
Upfront
and
I
hope
that
that
is
going
to
be
the
model
for
these
triplex
to
four-plex
conversions
moving
forward,
because
something
that
the
community
really
really
hates
is
a
developer.
Who
is
not
up
front?
In
this
instance,
the
developer
has
been
up
front,
so
I'm
going
to
be
supporting
the
application.
A
Perfect
and
you've
been
really
clear
consistently
on
that.
So
thank
you
very
much,
I
think
that's
where
councillor
doodahs
was
going
earlier
too.
So
thank
you
so,
on
the
on
the
technical
amendment
carry
and
not
on
the
item
as
amended
Kerry.
Thank
you.
So
now
we're
going
to
8900,
Jean
d'arc
Boulevard
north
is
Lee's
Dion
laverre
here
Lee's
come
on
up
Lee's
Harris.
Please.
J
Madam
chair
I
am
very
pleased
to
have
a
chance
to
meet
you
and
the
councillors
present
the
committee.
My
name
is
Lisa
LaValle
I'm
a
now
an
owner
in
tower
2
of
the
bridge,
L
construction,
I.
Think
last
week,
some
of
you
were
at
our
place
for
a
party
to
celebrate
the
new
launch
of
the
future
towers
of
the
vertical
construction
will
that
will
amount
to
five
now.
My
presence
here
today
is
to
protect
you
my
concerns
over
the
fact
that
there
were
some
meetings
before
to
discuss
future
development
with
Brazil.
J
However,
we
were
never
made
aware
of
these
meetings
by
Brazil
because
we
had
moved
in
yet
to
the
towers.
We
don't
have
a
condo
board
yet
because
we're
just
going
to
become
owners
of
our
own
building.
So
as
a
community,
we
have
not
been
consulted
and
we're
very
worried
about
the
future
steps
that
batesian
wants
to
take
with
our
community
because
of
the
plans
to
have
access
to
the
other
towers
that
they
will
build
through
our
own
Tower.
J
And
if
you
would
consider
this,
you
have
just
bought
a
house,
and
you
find
out
in
a
few
weeks
after
you've
moved
in
that
the
Builder
will
be
putting
holes
in
your
basement,
so
that
the
other
tenants
of
the
other
buildings
will
be
able
to
have
access
to
their
house
or
their
residences.
So
this
is
very,
very
scary
as
a
concept,
because
the
building
is
built
and
in
the
report
that
you
have
filed
on
page
28
and
29.
J
Considering
this
project,
there's
only
mention,
there's
mention
that
there
would
be
access,
but
it
doesn't
say
how
the
people
have
access
to
there.
The
future
towers-
and
we
just
found
out
that
it
was
by
doing
drill
holes
in
our
basement
at
home
in
our
parking
lots
and
there
might
even
be
two
holes
drilled
to
let
access
to
towers
three
and
four
through
our
building.
J
So
this
being
said,
what
I
would
be
asking
of
you
is
that
you
hold
another
open
house,
as
you
have
had
held
in
February
of
this
year
before
we
had
moved
in
and
do
this
now
that
we
have
as
of
tonight,
we
will
be
electing
our
own
condo
board
and
we
will
have
access
to
all
the
owners
and
and
tenants
in
our
building
which
we
didn't
before.
We
didn't
have
access
to
the
list
because
we
were
not.
J
We
didn't
have
a
board
yet
and
we
would
like
to
have
the
chance
to
speak
with
the
committee's
the
Planning,
Committee
and
vision
together
to
be
very
informed
about
how
this
issue
will
be
dealt
with
the
holes
in
our
building.
Who
is
going
to
maintain
the
passageways
that
will
be
created
through
our
own
building
to
lead
to
the
other
buildings,
the
fees
access
to
that
the
security,
the
actual?
How
people
will
in
one
report
it
says
that
we
will
be
issued,
fobs
for
our
building,
but
nothing
has
been
written.
Not
nothing
has
been
please.
J
There
has
no
bit
not
bid
any
precision
on
those
items,
so
we're
very
concerned
and
the
fact
that
so
that
in
the
report
it
says
no
trees
will
be
cut
down.
Nothing
will
be
changed
from
the
nature
facing
the
the
river.
Just
this
week,
trees
were
being
cut
down,
there's
all
kinds
of
stuff
here.
That
is
a
concern
to
the
owners.
So
is
there
some
chance
that
you
would
reconsider
and
let
us
know
what
what
will
happen
to
our
building
trying
to
speak.
I
still
had
a
minute,
so
I
think.
A
C
Tower
to
site
plan
zoning
amendment
as
well
as
site
plan
approval
were
being
considered
before
the
city.
It
did
include
underground
parking
layouts
that
did
indicate
that
the
future
access
point
for
the
underground
parking
for
the
future
tower
that
being
Tower
3
would
be
through
the
underground
parking
layout
of
Tower
2.
They
would
be
sharing
the
same
access
ramp
into
for
both
towers,
2,
&
3.
A
A
A
Yeah,
so
you
know
we
heard
yet
this
morning
with
the
I
mentioned
that
I've
had
people
overnight
say
that
they
weren't
aware
of
the
2006
agreement
for
the
bar
Haven
area.
Of
course
not
we've
got
people
moving
in
all
the
time
right,
and
so
there
is
that
element
dan.
Do
you
want
to
comment
on
any
outreach
that
was
happened
or
anything
or
on
this
application?.
K
K
They're
certain
they're
certainly
open
to
the
public.
Thank
you
and
then
there
was
an
open
house
in
the
community
held
this
year
in
the
winter
and
that
we
had
a
pretty
good
turnout
for
it
and
so,
and
we
also,
of
course
had
this
process
here,
which
has
been
which
started
in
August
of
2018
and
so
you've
got
signage
on
the
property
indicating
that
there's
a
zoning
application.
You've
got
the
Planning
Act
approved
notices
that
the
staff
are
responsible
for,
and
you
have
this
public
meeting
today.
K
So
you
I
think
have
you
know
the
opportunity
to
receive
comments.
I
think
we
did
a
pretty
good
job,
because
at
the
open
house
this
year,
this
winter,
we
must
add
about
a
hundred
folks,
show
up
I
think
was
pretty
crowded
room
and
today
I'm
happy
to
see
that
there's
fewer
people
with
concerns
on
this
project,
I
empathize,
with
the
observations.
K
Certainly
the
way
it
works-
is
that
you're
selling
units
at
the
same
time.
So
we
had
approval
for
Tower
two
and
those
units
were
sold,
and
so,
but
in
terms
of
the
the
garage
aspect,
the
tower
2
and
tower
3
share
and
access,
and
it
was
always
contemplated
that
they'd
have
the
same
ramp
and
that's
to
speak
to
the
technical
point.
I
thought
I
heard
I'm
here
today
with
we
have
the
architect
with
us.
K
K
I
can
only
speak
to
there.
There
is.
There
is
an
area,
a
clear
buffer,
an
absolute
line
that
we
can't
touch
and
that
was
approved
in
the
last
site
plan.
We're
all
aware
of
that
line.
There
is
no
cutting
going
on
in
that
buffer
and
that's
my
understanding.
Any
cutting
that
has
occurred
is
within
the
area.
That's
been
permitted
to
allow
for
the
development
of
the
property
and.
C
Confirm
that
there
is
an
approved
tree
conservation
report
and
landscape
plan,
as
well
as
an
EIS
that
was
conducted
both
of
those
delineate.
The
areas
where
tree
cutting
can
occur
and
cannot
occur
and
the
buffer
that
towards
the
river.
There
is
a
portion
for
which
they
need
to
seek
tree
permits
with
the
city,
foresters,
and
that
has
been
approved
and.
C
Just
developing
their
condo
board
tonight,
apparently,
with
the
applicants
and
possibly
working
with
the
counsellors
office,
be
willing
to
reach
out
to
them
and
set
up
meeting
in
the
short-term
so
that
you
can.
They
can
have
an
opportunity
since
they're
new
to
the
to
the
area.
They
could
have
an
opportunity
to
meet
with
with
Brazil
and
the
councillor
and
even.
K
Possibly,
staff
to
go
through
the
application
understand
more
of
it,
an
ask
the
questions
that
they
have
if
I
may
through
you,
madam
chair.
Certainly
today,
if
we
get
approval
is
for
zoning,
so
there's
still
another
process
that
we
need
to
go
through
and
thus
the
opportunity
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
residents
of
tower
or
at
least
seek
additional
input.
The
site
plan
has
not
been
approved
yet
so
there
is
a
chance
for
input.
That
way.
We
would
like
to
walk
and
chew
gum
at
the
same
time.
Here
seek
approval
today
get
approval
today.
C
A
B
A
C
A
M
A
M
They
are
providing
visitor
parking
and
of
that
I
believe
that,
in
an
environment
where
you
have
close
to
200
different
units,
you
might
need
car
sharing
at
some
point
so
that
one
of
the
the
spots
be
dedicated
to
car
sharing.
I
did
speak
to
the
applicant
they're
open
to
that
and
I
believe
they'll
be
speaking.
M
They
they
are
uncomfortable
to
confirm
it
in
perpetuity,
but
are
comfortable
in
piloting
it
and
bringing
it
on
site
and
if
it
works,
they
plan
to
keep
it.
So
we've
worked
on
a
motion
that
brings
it
forward,
assigns
the
space
and
that
we
can
work
through
side
plans
to
confirm
its
its
data.
So
I
believe
the
applicant
will
be
asking
for
a
small
change
of
one
word
in
the
motion
which,
if
they
concur,
that
we
will
address
the
the
component
of
it
through
side
plan
uncomfortable
with
so.
A
A
B
So
I'll
just
very
quickly,
whereas
the
report
recommends
reducing
the
required
resident
vehicular
parking
from
forty
four
to
zero
and
whereas
residents
may
occasionally
need
access
to
a
vehicle
and
whereas
the
provision
of
car
sharing
spaces
would
provide
an
additional
transportation
mode
option
to
the
future.
Occupants
of
the
proposed
development,
therefore
be
it
resolved.
The
Planning
Committee
recommend
the
council.
Add
the
following
provisions
to
document
to
details
of
the
recommended.
Zoning
under
to
a-1
visitor
parking
shall
be
used
as
a
car
sharing
space.
B
A
C
B
M
Maybe
I
cares
that
a
visitor
parking
place
mr.
Marx
correct,
maybe
I,
didn't
express
myself
well
I
wrote
this
motion
spoke
to
the
applicant
who
said
to
facilitate
the
process.
We
are
comfortable
with
the
motion
if
you
change
to
me,
which
I'm
comfortable,
if
we
plan
to
put
it
in
the
resolution
for
site
plan,
okay,.
A
A
Maybe
a
selfie
or
something
like
that
Tim
mark
selfie
just
imagine,
be
awesome
but
I'm
going
to
bring
up
our
our
delegations.
Okay,
first
of
all,
is
Denny
LaRose,
Denny
and
you're
going
to
speak
in
front.
So
where
are
you
there?
You
are
and
we
have
translation
everybody
and
following
Denny,
is
Janice
Elia,
saath
and
mini
addition
from
the
condominium
board
at
260.
Besra
so
sir
see
that
first
seat,
that's
where
you
should
have
a
seat:
Bienvenue,
yes,
to
a
sank.
C
H
This
stange
consumed
in
spool
Mahanoy
denilla
rolls
this
is
original
data
watches
we
catalog
issue,
baretsky
Ottawa,
a
all
avid
runner
at
read,
who
do
sauce
without
Reba
Sarah
I
am
going
to
our
going
to
read
lemon
uma
grande
para
la
Rose.
V
they
ya,
beaucoup
de
la
Rosa,
Ottawa
Bascom
is
a
racist
field,
is
Otis
Marie
de
salón
de
Jana
bar
Haven
Jana?
Cannot,
you
know
earlier,
don't
make
me
sound
late
about
the
know,
oddly
mr.
H
Hanson
defrockation
Lee
at
Birth
limit
on
the
determine
Teresa
sapele
at
La,
Rose
ma
just
poor
jerk
Georgian
Lakota,
some
op
le
francais
John.
Suppose
an
urbanist
major
Susan
caps
allowed
the
truth.
La
construction.
Innumerable
would
do
something
on
the
Sarah,
the
digitizer
vent
enough
mate.
Read
me
the
a
complete,
not
capture,
be
Lobby
ins,
notional,
the
not
Reba
Sarah
made
to
the
community.
The
Lakotas
are
constraining
up
the
cattle
and
is
not
participate.
H
Ama
ultra
doux,
mezzo
patrimonial,
since
we
won
or
who
stood
sensitive,
a
wizard,
c'est
la
maison,
the
Monsieur
Louis
Theodore,
Desiree
construe
it
on
milvey
saccharine
cat
is
appropriate.
A
non
sono
patrimonial
le
ROC
Anupa
Ontario
cometa,
the
valor
archaeologic
construe
it
Emile
visa
Crockett.
A
le
treble
motion
photo
the
setna
zone.
H
H
Constraining
bob
Kedavra
baccarat
cats,
Tatiana
dr.
Pham,
was
super
yummy,
so
something
is
station.
Man
ooh,
Lee
peppermint
is
not
redundant
said.
Tormented
statio
knee
your
famiiy
Lursa
me
a
a
pokemon
gr1
little
theater
he
station.
So
naturally,
the
cinema
by
town,
the
Johnny
Van
Sant,
reveal
see
doc
to
support
0
represented
a
dramedy.
You
consider
the
limited
later
assign
a
E.
H
H
A
A
M
A
Okay,
minik
am
I
I'm,
taking
the
fact
that
you're
standing
way
over
there
that
you're
not
part
of
the
team?
It's
just
that
you
registered
together,
so
you
don't
have
to
speak
together.
It's
up
to
you,
I'm
first,
you
second,
all
right,
then
have
a
seat
back
in
the
audience.
Oh
well,
okay,
but
they're,
not
together,
though
okay,
so
Janice.
Yes,
thank.
F
Now
the
building
that's
proposed,
which
is
either
nine
stories
or
ten
stories
depending
on
how
you
look
at
it
would
come
between
my
window
and
this
building,
and
it
would
be
much
closer.
So
this
building
will
become
invisible
to
me
and
I
will
have
the
construction
right
beside
me.
The
it's
obvious
from
the
photoshopped
picture.
That
shows
the
view
from
driving
north
along
King
Edward
that
the
proposed
building,
but
the
height
that
is
proposed,
sticks
out
like
a
sore
thumb
and
seems
like
a
tentacle
of
the
downtown
construction
mode
into
Sandy
Hill.
F
But
the
building
is
in
fact
in
Sandy
Hill
and
this
doesn't
conform
to
the
height
restrictions.
I
just
like
to
add
it's
interesting
to
note
that
about
20
years
ago,
when
my
own
building
was
built,
it's
not
it's
I'm!
On
the
top
floor
on
the
seventh
floor,
it
was
proposed
to
be
nine
or
ten
storeys,
but
it
was
neighborhood
pressure
that
brought
it
down
to
seven
storeys,
to
the
benefit
really
of
all
of
us
and
I.
Think
that
tradition
of
keeping
the
height
low
it
should
be
maintained.
F
F
In
the
evening
people
coming
to
the
Little
Theater
they're,
coming
to
the
repertory
by
town
cinema,
and
they
look
for
on
street
parking,
but
the
proposed
building
has
very
very
little
parking,
and
the
argument
is
that
if
you
rent
a
small
residential
unit
that
doesn't
have
parking,
you
won't
have
a
car.
Well,
that's
fine!
But
what?
If
you're
a
student,
your
parents
will
come
to
visit
you
and
they're
not
going
to
come
by
elton
LRT
or
or
bus
they're
going
to
drive
in
from
Kingston
or
wherever
and
look
for
on
street
parking.
F
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Anyone
have
any
questions
hang
around
a
second
just
in
case
we
have
questions
Jennifer
Janice;
no,
we
don't
have
questions
so
Jen.
So
thank
you
though,
but
Nick
you
can
take
that
chair,
but
I'm
going
back
to
councilor
flurry
because
he
didn't
get
an
answer
to
his
question.
Councillor
Florrick
I'll.
M
Try
to
simplify
my
question,
I
think
staff
know
what
I'm
asking,
which
is
the
the
property
on
the
southern
side
of
this
development
is
individually
designated.
It's
also
on
the
edge
of
the
Heritage
Conservation
District,
for
that
area
and
I
want
to
know
how
staff
did
their
analysis
as
it
relates
to
the
those
those
two.
Those
two
elements.
C
Thank
you
chair.
As
councillor
flurry
mentioned
this
property
250
Besser
is
not
a
designated
building,
but
it
is
adjacent
to
a
part,
four
and
part
five
designated
building.
So
in
terms
of
the
Heritage
Review,
we
looked
at
it
in
two
ways:
one
using
the
Sandy
Hill
Heritage
character,
guidelines,
which
are
policies
for
infill
and
design.
C
The
impact
of
the
adjacency
was
assessed
through
a
cultural
heritage
impact
statement
which
is
included
as
part
of
this
development,
and
that
looked
specifically
at
the
distance
between
this
building
and
the
part
for
building
the
views
from
the
Heritage,
Conservation
District
and
other
elements
such
as
that.
But
that
is
how
the
Heritage
was
reviewed.
C
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
on
the
height
of
the
building.
If
I
can
I'm
noticing
that
the
developer,
of
course,
is
calling
this
building
nine
stories.
But
if
you
look
at
it
I
see
ten
stories.
It
appears
that
they
might
not
be
counting
that
the
main
floor
of
the
building.
To
me
this
seems
wrong.
We
are
at
260
busier.
We
there's
seven
build
seven
floors
in
our
building
and
we
count
the
main
floor
as
a
floor.
C
Even
though
there
is
no
apartment,
it's
the
lobby
and
so
on
so
I'm
questioning
why,
in
this
particular
building,
they
don't
seem
to
be
counting
that
first
floor.
In
my
view,
it's
ten
floors.
I
would
like
them
to
confirm
that
it
is
indeed
ten
floors
and
stop
saying
calling
it
nine
floors
now
if
they
did
call
it
10
floors,
they
wouldn't
be
able
to.
At
that
point
it
doesn't
become
a
mid-rise
apartment
anymore.
It's
not
because
it
mid
rise
goes
from
five
to
seven
FS.
C
Five
to
nine
excuse
me
so
I'm
thinking,
maybe
that's
why
they're
calling
it
a
nine
story
building
so
that
they
can
fall
in
the
category
of
mid
mid-sized
condos,
and
it's
also
excessive
I
find
that
they're
asking
for
the
increase
from
19
meters
to
29
and
a
half
meters.
When
they're
saying
it's
only
a
ninth
floor
building
well,
it
would
only
be
at
this
point
two
storeys
higher
than
ours,
we're
at
nineteen
and
a
half
meters.
C
So
why
are
they
requesting
ten
and
a
half
meters
more
for
supposedly
two
floor,
so
again,
I'm
thinking
it
looks
like
it's
actually
going
to
be
a
ten
story
building
the
other
thing
that
greatly
concerns
us
is.
This
would
set
a
precedent
for
these
higher
buildings
in
our
neighborhood
there's,
nothing
as
it
is
now
from
busier
air.
All
the
way
to
will
broad
east
of
King
Edward,
that
is
of
that
height
ours
is
the
highest
at
seven.
C
A
M
A
F
And
if
I
may
just
add
my
madam
chair,
the
the
heights
of
the
proposed
building
is
twenty
nine
point.
Five
meters,
which
is
can
be
considered
as
a
low
nine-story
building.
If
you
go
to
the
exchange,
for
example,
in
Westborough,
it's
like
37
meters
high
or
the
one
at
2,
3
6
tweets
me
round.
The
corner
tweets
mean
Richmond,
that's
about
34
meters
high,
so
in
terms
of
a
nine-story
building
which
is
is
being
proposed
here
and
they
are
using
the
slope
and
we're
taking
the
grade
from
the
outs
from
the
the
finished
grade.
A
A
K
A
K
Five
yards.
Thank
you,
madam
chairman.
This
first
time
I
attended
such
a
meeting.
I'm.
Sorry,
if
I'm
a
novice
at
this
I'm
very
impressed
by
the
way.
How
I
could
will
you
address
all
the
issues
very
incisive
questions
too?
I
won't
take
up
too
much
of
your
time.
I
just
want
to
say
that
my
concern
about
this
building
is
that
and
what
the
impression
I
have
from
the
discussions
that
I've
heard
here
is
that
you
want
to
build
community
I,
do
not
see
this
building
building
community.
You
want
families,
we
want
families
with
kids.
K
If
you
have
families
with
kids,
if
you
ever
slept
hockey
equipment
around,
you
need
a
car.
You
can't
scrap
it
around
to
two
kids
at
six
o'clock
in
the
morning
or
nine
o'clock
at
night
on
a
bus
on
city
buses.
You
may
want
to
use
public
transport.
I
use
public
transport,
I
live
down
on
Bester
Street,
but
when
I
have
to
go
to
Costco
I
need
a
car,
so
this
will
not
accommodate
families.
This
will
not
accommodate
families
with
kids
and
that's
not
the
character
of
Sandy
Hill.
Okay,
so
do
I
know.
K
K
F
Madam
chair
just
to
say
too,
in
terms
of
not
through
the
zoning
or
through
any
form,
can
we
regulate
who
lives
there,
if
it's
families
or
if
it's
students
or
if
it's
new
people
starting
out
of
in
their
first
career,
whatever
it's
a
it's
open
to
everyone.
Now
they
it's
certainly
open
to
families
as
well,
but
we
just
cannot
regulate
who
lives
there.
I
A
M
C
In
support
of
staff's
recommendation,
we
know
of
the
motion
talked
to
councillor
flurry
about
it.
As
he
noted.
Our
only
concern
with
the
motion
was
changing
the
shell
to
a
may
so
that
we
can
further
implement
this
car
share
and
keep
it
in
perpetuity
without
running
out
of
compliance
one
way
or
the
other.
So
it
would
be
an
or
statement
and
we're
here
for
any
specific
questions.
A
A
A
M
I
didn't
realize
my
time,
chair
that
the
that
delegations
were
completed
so
I
apologize,
so
I'll
start
on
the
zoning
matters
and
some
are
comments.
Some
are
more
philosophical,
so
the
applicant
is
going
from
what
would
be
required
to
be
above
around
44
parking
spots
on
the
property
and
the
city
is
comfortable
with
a
waiver
down
to
zero
I
just
want
to
put
numbers
to
that.
So
if
the
applicant
was
required
to
provide
40
spots,
ish
I'm,
just
using
the
round
figure,
40
I
believe
the
numbers
a
bit
higher.
But
let's
say
40.
M
But
I've
I
want
to
highlight
kind
of
philosophically
two
things,
one
which
is
by
by
committees
or
by
staffs
position
and
committees
review.
If
we
are
to
waiver
the
parking,
there's
1.6
million
dollar
waiver
on
the
costs
for
that
developer
of
what
would
be
in
zoning.
Imagine
if
our
goals
in
waiving
of
the
parking
would
be
for
use
of
transit
for
use
of
cycling
for
walking.
Imagine
if
a
portion
of
that
amount
was
transferred
to
bus
pass
value
for
the
users
of
that
property
over
time.
That
would
be
great
to
showcase.
M
What
is
the
intent
of
that
property?
I
know,
I'm,
making
more
of
a
statement
here,
but
I
think
that
we
need
to
get
serious
about
when
we
do
look
at
waiver
of
parking
for
the
right
reasons
to
leverage
LRT
to
leverage
the
urban
environment
that
we're
in
we
also
need
to
factor
in
with
is
the
value
you.
M
M
That
said,
we
asked
as
part
of
the
development
applications
to
prepare
a
transportation
plan
for
various
reasons,
and
we
mandate
that,
through
the
o,
P
I
would
like
us
as
part
of
the
o
P,
to
also
include
when
there
are
waivers
of
parking
that
we
that
we
require
the
applicant
to
provide
a
cycling
plan
and
a
transit
plan.
The
applicants
are
more
and
more
we're
not
we're
going
to
reduce
the
amount
of
parking,
yet
they're
not
required
to
provide
plans
as
it
relates
to
other
mobility
modes.
M
So
I
know
I'm
putting
pushing
that
forward
and
and
asking
mr.
Willis,
as
part
of
the
o
P
review,
to
include
that
from
a
development
industry
perspective
that
we
look
at
requiring
that
when
there
are
waivers
of
parking
regulations
that
the
applicant
does
provide
cycling
plan
and
a
transit
plan.
Because
to
me
it's
it's
a
mobility
plan
that
would
be
and
I'm
not
asking
for
an
answer
today.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can
work
forward
as
part
of
the
the
o
P,
the
o
P
efforts
and.
A
M
And
my
last
piece
on
zoning
after
I'll
share
with
you
briefly,
the
the
the
comments
is
we've
heard
from
the
delegations
as
it
relates
to
height
the
proximity
to
the
HCD
and
its
interaction
and
the
proximity
to
the
existing
neighbor,
which
is
an
individually
designated
property.
I
want
to
paint
the
picture
along.
Besler
we've
seen
a
lot
of
development.
We
have
the
two
rich
craft
properties.
M
You
have
the
Claridge
phase,
one
and
phase
one
two,
three
and
four
you
have
next,
the
the
building
which
residents
the
delegations
come
from
is
next
not
exam,
ediot
next
door,
but
right
beside
it,
which
is
a
dominant
III
being
here
and
and
seeing
how
our
intensification
policies
and
and
what
we're
looking
for
I
stand
in
a
weird
position
to
say
that
the
tent
there's
a
big
issue
with
the
tent
story,
because
it's
at
the
corner
of
King,
Edward
and
Vesper.
That
said,
I
do
believe
that
we
have
to
be.
M
We
have
to
be
very
sensitive
to
when
we
allow
additional
density
next
to
a
heritage.
Heritage
Conservation
District
next
to
a
heritage
designated
property
I
do
feel
that
staff
have
their
own
response
to
it
and
and
I'm
not
an
expert,
so
I
can
only
rely
on
what
metric
staff
are
using
from
the
existing
property
to
the
setback.
I
do
think
that,
from
a
holistic
point
of
view,
we
have
to
be
careful
for
Sandy
Hill.
We
have
seven
different
heritage
conservation,
districts,
seven
different
zones
and
how
properties
will
interact
with
those
matters.
M
So
I
I
do
feel
that
the
community
raises
key
concerns,
as
it
relates
to
protection
of
those
age,
CDs
and
individual
properties,
I'll,
move
on
to
the
site
plan
and
things
that
I'll
be
working
towards.
There
are
existing
issues
at
the
intersection
of
Besler
and
King
Edward.
As
you
know,
from
daily
to
besser,
it
is
a
downhill
slope.
M
The
pedestrians
have
highlighted
safety
concerns,
especially
in
the
evenings
and
on
in
winter,
for
that
crosswalk.
So
I
I
want
to
work
with
city
and
the
applicant
to
develop
a
strategy
at
the
corner
on
the
north
side
of
the
intersection
on
besser
and
King
Edward
to
provide
in
a
new
crosswalk
so
that
pedestrians
have
an
alternative
on
the
north
side.
I
will
also
ask
the
applicant
to
provide
each
future
renter
a
cycling
plan
of
the
area
as
the
cycling
options
from
that
location
are
very
limited.
M
Besser
on
the
other
side
of
King
Edward
is
one
way
towards
that
property.
King
Edward
is
less
than
ideal
for
cycling,
you're,
a
block
off
at
King,
Edward
and
rito
from
the
inter
provincial
truck
route.
So
keen
if,
if
the
city
believes
that
cycling
and
the
proximity
to
LRT
is,
is
right,
then
I'm
asking
the
applicant
through
site
plan
to
develop
for
future
renters
those.
What
are
the
best
corridors
for
cycling
in
the
area?
I,
don't.
A
M
Is
great
but
I
want
a
display
of
what
would
be
the
cycling
routes
to
get
to
and
from
main
amenities
to
the
area
provided
to
future
renters,
so
I
believe
everyone's
on
board,
but
for
the
public
record,
what
I'll
be
I'll
be
working
on
with
the
with
the
applicant
garbage
management
has
been
a
bad
issue
in
the
area.
If
you
go
down
best
for
on
private
pick
up
days,
containers
will
be
put
to
curb
and
left
as
to
when
the
private
pickup
will
come.
M
The
the
applicant
we're
gonna
tighten
up
in
the
side
plan
when
the
garbage
will
be
picked
up
and
the
applicant
is
favorable
to
that.
Also
move
in
we're
quite
concerned
with
the
flow
of
move
in
and
move
in,
move
out
of
that
property.
So
I've
asked
the
applicant
to
relook
and
and
and
the
the
city
planner
is
working
with
them
to
make
it
easy
for
someone
to
bring
in
their
you
all
move
in
van
into
the
garage
and
properly
move
in
from
within
the
garage,
not
from
the
curb
on
vestry
and
then
the
final
one.
M
Madam
chair
is
rooftop
in
a
multi
res
non
condo
environment.
Rooftops
are
challenging.
The
applicant
has
recognized
the
materials
that
will
be
used
for
for
the
roof.
Elevator
shaft
components
need
to
be
worked
through
to
be
sympathetic.
There
is
an
a
rental
apartment
building
to
two
blocks,
south
of
that
at
the
corner
of
Stuart
and
King
Edward,
and
that
would
be
either
forever
view.
So
will
the
the
applicant
and
and
staff
are
sensitive
to
that
and
also
to
bring
in
at
fob
system
to
limit
the
access
of
that
rooftop
in
late
evening
and
overnight?
A
F
G
A
B
A
A
All
right
so
is
Paul
Kubrat
here
line
up
Paul
Paul
I'm
gonna.
Ask
you
to
speak
to
your
opposition
on
on
both
items,
both
the
application
for
demolition
and
new
construction
at
58,
Florence
Street,
and
also
on
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
458
Florence
Street.
Okay,
thank
you
go
ahead.
You
have
five
minutes.
Go
ahead.
F
Heritage,
basically,
the
the
due
diligence
on
heritage
I
felt
was
a
little
bit
weak
I'm
here
to
basically
explain
that
that
building
did
in
fact
have
heritage
significance.
One
of
the
most
famous
journalists
in
Canada
lived
in
that
building
for
12
years.
His
name
is
Charles
Lynch
and
basically
he
died
there
in
1982
to
1994,
I
believe,
but
that's
a
side
issue.
My
main
issue
is
literally
with
the
protection
of
my
home.
F
F
A
pardon
me
did
you
say:
tyga
pega,
pega
holmes,
that
building
I
protested
and
explained
that
it
would
destroy
my
neighborhood.
It
in
fact
did
destroy
my
neighborhood.
They
went
down
five
stories.
They
got
proper
city
approval,
proper
Stantec
Planning
and
basically,
they
sucked
all
the
moisture
out
of
the
area.
The
damages
to
the
neighboring
buildings
for
a
hundred
feet
amounted
to
2.8
million
dollars.
Now
this
is
why
that
building
is
basically
falling
over
it's
falling
over,
because
the
the
soil
in
that
area
is
completely
destroyed.
F
Okay,
now
my
biggest
concern
I
understand
that
they're
doing
helical
piles
that
building
fall
down.
My
biggest
concern
is
that
they
are
digging
about
three
feet
from
my
foundation.
My
building
was
built
in
1903,
it's
stone
on
stone
foundation.
It
won't
take
this
and
it
will
basically
either
flood
my
basement
or
destroy
that
wall.
The
previous
building
by
taiga
I
should
tell
you
was
the
subject
of
numerous
complaints.
F
F
A
Thank
you.
So
let
me
ask
you
a
question
any
time
that
we
do
anything
with
new
development
and
that
even
infill
development,
even
in
the
suburbs
there
always
is
a
plan
through
the
process
that
the
applicant
do
offer
an
analysis
of
the
nearby
buildings
etc.
And
you
know
whether
I
mean
I
can
think
of
many
times
that
it's
happened
where
somebody
will
go
in
they.
F
F
Certainly
have
I've
been
offered
it
by
a
couple
of
different
people,
but
basically
that
still
doesn't
do
me
any
good
because
literally
went
a
got
dug
down
and
took
all
the
water
away.
What
happened
is
that
buildings
fell
down.
My
garage
across
the
street
on
Gladstone
was
closed
for
a
year
and
never
recovered
never
ever
recovered.
Now
this
was
done
by
stay
intact.
By
the
way,
I
can
mention
their
name,
a
proper
firm
reviewed
by
the
City
of
Ottawa
I'm
certain,
but
it
didn't
work.
It
was
a
failure,
I'm
concerned
about
another
failure,
so.
A
F
Madam
chair,
that
this
this
development
is
subject
to
site
plan
and
that
would
be
part
of
the
site
plan
the
application
they
would
have
to
do
a
geotechnical
study
to
show
how
this
could
be
done
and
in
relation
to
as
well.
This
we're
referring
you
to
back
and
forth.
There's
a
pre-construction
survey
would
need
to
be
done
as
well,
and
that
would
be
a
condition
of
approval
as
part
of
the
site
plan.
So
it
would
be
done
yes,
because.
N
N
What
what
you're
telling
us
a
was
that
58
Florence
was
damaged
as
a
result,
I
understand
what
you're
saying
that
the
entire
area
in
terms
of
the
the
soil
structure
but
58
Florence,
was
damaged
as
a
result
of
429
Kent,
which
is
on
the
corner,
correct
and
now
58
florence
is
beside
you
correct
and
obviously
the
concern
is
fifty-eight.
Florence
being
right
beside
will
then
lead
to
further
damage
which,
once
it
happens,
it
happens.
Is
that
correct
and
you're
prepared
to
have
the
you're
prepared
to
have
the
building
condition
assessment
done
in
your
basement?
N
All
of
that
prior
to
I'm,
not
saying
that
that's
the
only
thing
that
needs
to
be
done,
I'm
just
making
sure
that
that
course
case
yeah
course.
Okay,
so
I
do
have
some
I
do
have
some
concerns
from
with
staff.
I
don't
have
concerns
about
necessarily
the
the
application.
With
respect
to
the
number
of
units
or
the
heights,
but
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
that
what
we're
hearing
today
is
is
being
considered.
N
E
You
through
you,
madam
chair,
that's
correct,
so
we
have
a
geotechnical
report.
Our
engineer
on
the
file
has
reviewed
that
report
and
we
have
provided
comments
to
the
applicant
and
we're
looking
for
more
information,
and
they
need
to
provide
us
evidence
that
their
engineering
solution
for
the
excavation
and
construction
will
not
negatively
impact
any
neighboring
properties.
E
N
So
before
site
planning
I'm
not
saying
that
I'm
lifting
delegated
authority
now
but
I'm
saying
that
I'm
putting
you
on
notice
that
I
may
look
delegated
authority
on
site
plan.
I
want
to
be
able
to
be
assured
that
there
would
be
no
further
damage
in
the
area.
This
429
does
proceed
time
on
council,
but
I
have
I've
read
a
lot
of
the
background
on
it,
and
much
of
what
mr.
N
F
N
Also
in
terms
of
the
the
shoring
of
the
property,
as
mr.
Koretz
laid
out,
it's
very
close
to
his
property,
it's
a
very
old
building
that
that
he's
in
that
he's
good
that
he
owns
that
he's
concerned
about.
So
in
terms
of
the
the
shoring
the
the
water
runoff
that
is
close
to
to
his
foundation.
All
of
that
will
be
addressed.
E
Through
you,
madam
chair,
so
through
the
building
permit
process,
they,
the
applicant
will
need
to
provide
information
about
shoring
and
excavation,
and
we
can
work
with
Building
Code
services
to
ensure
that
the
information
that
they
provide
is
sufficient
and
that
we're
satisfied
that
there
will
not
be
negative
impacts
on
neighboring
properties.
But.
E
N
C
C
You
know
when
extremely
unfortunate
circumstances
like
this
happened
to
heritage
buildings
and
also
important
buildings
to
the
community.
I
know,
there's
where
we
heard
from
the
delegation
there's
some
civil
litigation
happening,
but
it's
unfortunate
that
we
don't
have
more
tools
at
our
disposal
to
punish
her
to
deal
with
developers
or
property
owners
who
may
not
be
as
careful
as
they
should
be
when
they're
doing
construction,
nearby
heritage
homes.
A
A
A
I
To
both
of
the
reports
that
are
before
you
and
I
will
be
brief,
because
I'm
supposed
to
be
in
another
meeting
with
staff
at
the
moment
so
simply
support
the
recommendations
from
staff
on
both
the
rezoning
and
the
heritage
permit
application.
I
do
want
to
take
a
moment
to
acknowledge
the
concerns
from
the
neighbor
and
the
ward
councillor
with
respect
to
I,
guess
I'll
phrase
present
it
this
way.
I
It's
a
reaction
to
the
damage
that
was
done,
258
Florence
by
the
excavation
for
the
condominium
on
the
corner
at
Kent,
Street
and
I,
without
minimizing
the
concern
I
want
to
just
point
out
a
few
things
that
you've
heard
from
the
delegate
that
the
excavation
at
the
corner
went
down
five
stories
to
accommodate
underground
parking.
The
excavation
for
this
building
is
going
to
go
down
five
feet,
so
the
comparable
risks
are
quite
minimal.
Our
client
is
fully
aware
of
the
concerns
were
fully
aware.
I
I
I
am
relieved
this
afternoon
to
hear
from
the
neighbor
that
he
actually
will
allow
our
clients
to
complete
a
pre-construction
investigation,
because
I
do
have
a
email
from
him
saying
the
exact
opposite
so
I'm,
hoping
that
what
I
heard
today
is,
in
fact,
the
level
of
cooperation
that
we're
going
to
have
with
the
neighbor
to
be
able
to
go
and
do
a
pre-construction
survey.
So
there's
no
doubt
and
down
the
road
as
to
whether
or
not
there
has
been
damage
as
a
result
of
the
excavation.
This
isn't
a
terribly
unique
project.
I
A
Thank
you.
Anyone
have
any
questions
for
mr.
Chang
who
I
almost
forgettable.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
I
guess
two
in
a
row
that
we're
heads
up
on
on
site
plan
when
we
get
to
that.
So
on
item
number
12,
which
is
the
application
for
demolition
and
new
construction
of
58
Florence
Street,
a
property
located
in
the
center
town,
Heritage
Conservation,
District
designated
under
part
five.
A
So
on
this
item
is
a
carry
thank
you.
Don't
you
have
to
leave
and
on
item
number
13,
which
is
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
at
58,
Florence
Street
approve
an
amendment
to
the
zoning
to
permit
a
three-story,
low-rise
apartment
dwelling
on
that
item.
Is
it
carried?
Thank
you
thanks
very
much
so,
as
I
said
to
councillor
flurry,
even
though
he
held
he
held
the
term
of
counsel
priorities
and
just
said
he
wanted
to
be
on
the
record.
A
We
still
have
people
that
are
here
to
speak
on
the
budget,
so
we're
going
to
go
to
the
budget
and
counselor
hubely
has
to
leave
one
two
three,
four
five
does
anybody
we
have
bare
quorum?
Does
anyone
need
to
have
a
little
bit
of
a
break
four
legs?
Yeah?
Okay,
we're
going
to
take
five
minute
break
for
washroom,
okay
or
whatever
you
want
to
do
and
get
five
minutes
set.
Your
alarms.
A
A
Think
I
won't
hello.
I
know
you're
all
excited
to
talk
about
the
planning
committee
budget
to
the
point
where
we're
not
even
having
a
presentation.
Okay,
we
do
have
speakers.
I'm,
gonna,
see
who's
left
here.
I
know
that
Raymond
Sullivan
said
that
he
wasn't
going
to
be
he
that
he
submitted
a
submission,
but
he
is
not
going
to
say
to
speak.
What
about
Christine
santel
well
come
on
down
Christine
and
is
Casey
Hundley.
Here,
okay
and
who's
cool
a
debate,
your
two
people,
okay,
get
ready
because
after
Christine
it'll
be
your
turn
come
on
up.
A
L
Hanging
around
madam
chair
and
all
the
members
of
the
committee
Oh,
my
name
is
dr.
Stinson
today
I'm
a
member
and
a
low-income
person
experiencing
disability
and
a
resident
of
vani
I'm,
also
a
member
and
a
volunteer
with
Kiwi
City
for
our
woman
initiative
and
a
tree
transportation
coalition.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
15
million
investment
investment
in
affordable
housing
in
the
city
of
whatever
draft
budget
of
2020.
L
I'm
here
today,
particularly
to
speak
to
how
the
15
million
dollar
is
to
be
spent.
I
strongly
advocate
advocate
that
the
investment
be
made
in
building
affordable
housing
near
rabbit
transit
station,
so
that
individual,
like
me,
who
completely
rely
on
public
transportation
and
fruss
tax
structure,
can
have
easier
access
to
LRT
rather
than
depending
on
bus.
L
That
often
add
significant
time
to
commute
many
people
who
live
on
a
long
income
are
reliant
on
public
transportation
as
their
only
means
of
transportation
and
in
the
past,
and
today,
critical
transit
infrastructure
has
not
been
as
systemically
planned
to
benefit
the
most
vulnerable.
I
would
also
like
to
speak
to
my
experience
as
an
individual
on
ODSP
and
the
challenge:
finding
inclusive,
accessible
and
affordable
housing
of
individual
for
individual
on
disability
spectrum.
L
There
is
also
presently
a
critical
shortage
of
housing
in
Ottawa
for
thirty,
four
thousand
six
hundred
and
thirty
nine
hotel
you
Disability
Support
plan
beneficiary
I
would
strongly
urge
the
city
to
implement
and
enforce
a
bylaw
that
would
require
all
the
new
rental
housing
to
be
fully
accessible
and
that
25
percent
of
all
private
market
rental
unit
be
identified
as
inclusive
and
affordable.
This
will
ensure
a
full
spectrum
of
mixed
income.
Tenants
allowing
a
better
integration
of
the
community
as
I
stated
earlier,
I
need
the
need
for
affordable
housing
benefit
thing.
L
The
most
vulnerable
vulnerable
community
is
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
that
the
City
of
Ottawa
continued
to
invest
at
least
15
million
a
year
in
affordable
housing
in
every
annual
budget.
I
would
also
urge
the
city
to
pass
a
strong,
citywide
inclusionary
zoning
bylaw
that
ensure
25
percent
of
new
development
is
dedicated
to
affordable
housing
and
plays
a
special
emphasis
on
deeply
affordable
housing
within
one
kilometer
of
rapid
transit
station.
Thank
you
for
listening
and
I'm
waiting
for
your
decision.
In
response
to
my
concern.
Thank
you.
L
O
O
Name
is
Casey
Hundley
and
I
work
for
the
web
enter
for
Aboriginal
health
I
am
the
anti-human
trafficking,
education
coordinator
and
I'm.
Also
the
chair
for
the
subcommittee
to
support
indigenous
women
through
Activa
I'm
here
with
kelud
Bay.
She
is
the
community
engagement
coordinator
for
Cowie
and
she's
a
housing
advocate
for
indigenous
women's
housing.
O
O
Two-Thirds
of
human
trafficking
cases
in
the
country
are
happening
in
Ontario,
and
most
of
it
is
happening
to
people
born
and
raised
here.
Indigenous
women
are
vastly
over-represented
in
cases
of
human
trafficking.
Indigenous
women
make
up
4%
of
the
population,
but
represent
50%
of
human
trafficking
targets.
Ottawa
has
the
highest
rates
of
human
trafficking
in
the
country
per
capita,
with
rates
reported
at
five
times
higher
than
the
national
level.
O
This
crisis
is
invisible
and
it
is
perpetuated
by
the
lack
of
accessible,
secure,
affordable
housing
for
everyone,
but
especially
for
indigenous
women
and
girls
I'm,
here
to
urge
the
city
and
the
planning
committee
to
assume
responsibility
for
our
women.
The
city
has
allocated
another
15
million
dollars
to
affordable
housing
in
budget
2020,
and
we
have
a
responsibility
to
ensure
that
this
budget
does
not
allow
the
violence
against
our
women
to
continue.
O
Housing
and
human
trafficking
are
intrinsically
linked.
Women
and
girls
in
insecure
housing
are
more
likely
to
be
targeted
for
trafficking
and
face
greater
obstacles
when
trying
to
escape.
This
is
because
a
lack
of
secure,
affordable
and
accessible
housing
puts
women
in
situations
where
their
main
concern
is
their
survival
and
their
survival
of
their
children.
O
Women
that
we
work
with
have
stated
that
affordable
housing
is
often
in
areas
and
neighborhoods,
where
women
don't
feel
safe
and
for
trafficked
women.
This
could
mean
encountering
the
trafficker
that
they
are
trying
to
escape
from
when
women
are
finally
able
to
escape
situations
of
human
trafficking.
Affordable
housing
has
been
shown
to
be
the
single
most
important
factor
for
their
recovery
and
reintegration.
O
O
Ottawa
is
facing
a
housing
crisis
and
indigenous
women
are
at
the
center
of
it.
Secure,
affordable
and
accessible
housing
is
essential
to
preventing
violence
against
indigenous
women,
because
it
ensures
that
women
and
girls
are
not
being
put
into
situations
of
violence
or
desperation
from
which
they
have
nowhere
to
go.
Thank
you
for
listening
and
I
look
forward
to
your
response
to
my
concerns.
Thank.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
As
recently
as
last
week,
Donna
grade
the
general
manager
and
myself
with
the
indigenous
community
advisory
board,
and
we've
been
working
with
the
aboriginal
community
advisory
board
over
the
last
year
in
regards
to
our
ten-year
housing
and
homelessness
plan,
to
make
sure
that
they
were
involved
and
that
we
incorporate
their
recommendations
around
changes
that
are
needed
today,
housing
system
in
general,
and
also
changes
that
are
needed
to
the
housing
system
for
indigenous
peoples.
So
we
look
forward
to
having
a
section
in
our
Refresh
plan
that
directly
addresses
those
needs.
A
P
A
So
no
question
for,
for
you
either
of
you
actually
you've,
tossed
it
a
number
here
of
increase
it
by
30
million
in
the
upcoming
budgets
and
then
you've
added
in
the
inclusionary
zoning,
which
is
a
direction
that
we're
going
in,
but
the
30
million.
Where
did
you
come
up
with
that
money?
That's
in
addition
to
the
15
million,
and
where
do
you?
Where?
Would
you
think
that
we
could
get
that
money
from
well.
P
This
figure
has
come
up
because
we
need
to
increase
our
investment
in
the
affordable
housing
sector
as
much
as
we're
supporting
the
shelters
and
as
much
as
we're
spending
on
emergency
responses
in
the
city.
So
that's
one
of
the
places
where
this
figure
has
come
from
and
then
secondly,
the
idea
has
been
tossed
around
and
I
think.
This
is
something
that's
coming
up
in
our
advocacy
directions,
but
the
idea
has
been
tossed
around
that
we
want
to
increase.
P
Is
there
there
needs
to
be
like
a
tax
levy,
increase
that
then
factors
into
the
30
million
dollars
towards
building
affordable
housing,
because
the
housing
crisis
in
Ottawa
currently
and
the
lack
of
reporting,
affordable
housing
is
impacting
women
and
it's
the
resulting
in
violence
towards
women,
specifically
from
marginalised
group.
So
this
has
come
from
our
community
effort,
our
action
forums
on
housing,
but
it
has
also
come
on
from
our
meetings
with
various
city
councillors
and
policy
staff.
So.
A
On
that
you
said
that
maybe
a
tax
increase.
What
do
you
think?
Others
say
that
already
think
that
they
pay
too
much
taxes
or
will
have
other
things
say
say.
For
example,
you,
if
you
were
here
early
this
morning,
I
think
so
I
was
talking
about
how
the
fact
that
we
have
the
people
that
have
have
increased
the
development
charges
and
have
increased
the
contributions
and
the
numbers
of
people
in
this
city.
A
So
we
have
more
money
to
spend
in
the
growth
area,
for
example,
have
really
been
so
underserved
by
the
amount
of
roads
that
they
have,
even
though
they
are
paying
every
time
they
buy
a
home
or
contributing
to
the
places
they
rent
in
the
homes
that
are
being
built
or
investments
in
affordable
housing
and
no
matter
where
you
are
like
an
in
bar
Haven
I
have
some
very
lovely
I
mean
people
are
always
saying
hey.
Where
can
I
buy?
One
was
condos,
and
maybe
it's
multi-faith
housing
or
has
to
be
in
housing.
A
We
were,
we
are
doing
it.
I
can
tell
you
that
last
night
I
was
at
a
hockey
game
for
one
of
my
grandson's
at
ballerina,
and
there
was
a
bunch
of
people
there
largely
from
bar
Haven,
and
they
said
you
know.
When
are
you
gonna
approve
the
budget?
I
said?
Well,
you
know
what
do
you
think
we're
I
said
it's
you
know
coming
up
December
the
11th
and
I
said
you
know
we
have
planning
committee
tomorrow
and
and
etc,
and
they
said
you
know,
I'm,
not
I.
A
Don't
really
want
to
pay
you
three
three
percent,
more
I,
don't
want
to
do
that,
while
you're
doing
it
I
said
well,
like
the
mayor
says
all
time
we
have
a
balance,
we
have
to
create
a
balance
so
we're
serving
everybody.
People
who
are
you
know
needing
cycling,
cycling,
facilities,
infrastructure,
more
people
that
are
better
plowing
of
sidewalks.
All
of
that
stuff
to
balance
that
out,
you've
got
to
come
up
with
something,
that's
fair.
So
that's
why
I
asked
you
specifically
like
30
million?
A
Is
that
like
phased
in
over,
like
maybe
10
years,
or
something
like
that,
because
it's
not
going
to
be
30
million
dollars,
I
think
even
if
somebody
moved
it?
Let's
be
honest,
it
would
not
pass
at
budget
there's
too
many
priorities
for
too
many
people
that
in
most
cases,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
saying
I'm
already
paying
a
lot
and
in
the
case
of
affordable
housing
they
think
they
are.
There.
I
would
just
a
question
on
affordable
housing.
A
J
Madam
chair,
so
housing
services
is
currently
undertaking
a
long-range
financial
plan
to
look
at
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
to
look
about.
What
do
we
actually
need
in
a
growing
city
around
affordable
housing?
How
do
we
increase
affordability
and
what
does
that
look
like
and
how
do
we
increase
our
homelessness
solutions?
A
It's
it's
a
I
mean
it's
not
that
it's
not
a
high
priority,
it's
just
that
there's
only
so
much
money,
and
so,
but
if
you
didn't
answer
my
questions,
how
are
we
doing
with
the
amount
of
money?
Because
it's
it's
really
only
when
Mara
Watson
was
first
elected
that
we
increased
them
the
amount
money
significantly
so
I'm
just
wondering.
J
Madam
chair,
so
the
15
million
in
budget
2019.
We
leveraged
that
with
federal
other
federal
programs,
and
it
was
approximately
approvals
for
about
266
units.
So
we
hope
to
do
the
same
with
a
new
15
million.
That's
in
budget
2020
we'll
bring
a
spending
plan
for
that
money
to
committee
and
council
in
q1
of
next
year.
J
A
Still
didn't
answer
my
question,
but
the
fact
is
is
that
people
at
the
Federation
of
community
and
municipalities
level
people
at
the
at
all
levels
really
are
all
committees,
whether
it's
Association
in
municipalities
of
Ontario,
large
large
Canadian,
City
mayor's
caucus.
That's
always
one
of
the
very
first.
If
not
the
first
I,
you
know
asked
out
of
their
mouth
every
time
that
a
MoU
comes
to
town.
We
are
saying
you
know:
affordable
housing,
we
don't
even
just
say
it
just
in
the
in
the
Community
Services
Minister.
That
is
in
charge
of
that.
We
say
it.
A
B
Thanks,
I
I'm
in
the
same
vein
as
as
what
you've
been
asking
chair,
herder
just
preface
I'll
throw
out
the
numbers
that
I
don't
think
the
treasurer
has
challenged
me
on
yet,
but
glad
she's
here
in
case
I'm
wrong
again,
but
a
1%
tax
increase
on
the
property
tax
bill
in
Ottawa
raises
roughly
15
or
16
million
dollars.
It
costs
the
average
homeowner
of
the
four
hundred
and
four
thousand
dollar
house,
roughly
seventy
five
dollars
a
year.
It's
not
wrong
yet,
so
you
know
we're
gonna
have
a
three
percent
tax
Croesus
year.
B
15
million
dollars
is
obviously
one
third
of
that
303
percent
tax
increase
and
thank
you
very
much
Shelly
for
giving
us
the
number
that
builds
266
units.
We
have
12,000
people
on
our
waiting
list
in
Ottawa
for
affordable
housing.
I
think
it
is
I.
One
of
the
reasons
that
I
will
likely
support
the
budget
this
year.
I
haven't
always
is
because
the
mayor's
office
and
the
treasurer's
office
were
able
to
dig
deep
and
find
that
15
million
again
I
was
cynical
that
we
would
be
able
to.
B
When
you
take
a
look
at
that
tax
increase
in
putting
1/3
of
it
towards
affordable
housing,
I
think
that
is
actually
really
progressive,
but
it
buys
266
units
out
of
12,000.
The
help
we
need
is
from
our
federal
and
our
provincial
levels
of
government.
You
know
a
$75
increase
in
taxes
to
get
1%
is
a
lot,
especially
if
you're
on
a
fixed
income.
B
We
can't
build
enough
housing
on
the
property
tax
base
that
the
municipal
government
has.
We
need
it
to
come
from
those
senior
levels
of
government
that
have
income
taxes
that
they
can
leverage,
but
how
many
women
just
to
get
a
sense
for
the
numbers.
How
many
women
are
in
sort
of
immediate
need
in
with
whom
you're
working.
O
So,
unfortunately,
I
there's
a
there's
a
lot
of
barriers
to
getting
stats
on
this,
which
is
why
I
didn't
throw
any
out
so
for
accuracy's
sake.
I
can't
give
you
exact
numbers,
but
I
can
speak
to
I,
can
speak
to
the
final
miw
report
that
cites
I
believe
it
was
okay,
thousands
of
women
in
Ontario
that
are
currently
under
house
or
in
precarious
housing.
Indigenous
women,
specifically
so.
O
Yes,
a
lot
of
my
work
involves
working
alongside
people
that
do
direct
outreach
to
to
women
that
don't
have
housing
currently,
and
that
is
where
a
lot
of
our
information
has
come
from
is
specifically
from
from
these
women's
lived
experiences.
So
we
know
what's
happening
in
our
city
and
I.
Think
to
speak.
Just
briefly
to
the
concerns
about
raising
taxes.
I
would
just
like
to
point
out
that
it.
It
does
in
fact
cost
more
to
have
more
police
on
the
streets
because
of
human
trafficking,
to
have
more
people
in
hospitals
because
of
human
trafficking.
B
My
second
question
for
you
is
with
respect
to
the
definition
of
affordability,
so
there's
there's
a
Doug
forward
definition:
a
justin,
trudeau
definition
of
affordability,
which
I
think
is
important,
which
is
for
many
of
us
I
live
in
Hintonburg.
My
son
will
never
be
able
to
afford
a
house
in
Hintonburg
he's
probably
going
to
struggle
to
afford
a
house
in
you
know
the
newest
suburbs.
In
Barre,
even
the
housing
prices
are
going
up.
Excuse.
A
B
That
is
yeah.
It
is
it's
a
it's
a
real
problem,
I
hear
it
at
the
door
and
often
times
when
voters
are
talking
to
me
about
housing,
affordability,
they're,
actually,
thinking
about
their
kids,
who
are
gonna
struggle
to
afford
to
buy
a
first
home
and
then,
of
course,
we
have
the
issue
of
affordable
housing
with
respect
to
our
most
vulnerable
residents,
for
whom
homeownership
is
probably
a
distant
dream
who
are
going
to
struggle
to
afford
rent
as
a
reasonable
proportion
of
whatever
benefits
or
income
they're.
B
P
P
B
Absolutely
I'll
leave
it
there,
but
thank
you
very
much.
It's
a
it's.
A
critical
presentation.
I
am
encouraged
with
where
the
city
is
going,
but
there
is
only
so
much
municipalities
can
do
housing.
Ultimately,
as
a
federal
and
provincial
responsibility.
I
I
want
to
congratulate
the
treasurer
and
the
mayor
for
digging
deep
and
finding
this
funding
this
year,
but
our
partners
need
to
do
more.
Thank
you.
Jeff.
A
A
A
M
Thank
you,
man,
I'm
sure,
I
I
will
I
was
not
engaging
with
the
delegations,
but
I
do
share
similar
concerns.
Well,
I
want
to
on
one
hand
recognize
that
before
last
year
we
did
not
have
certainty
around
new
housing
dollars
for
capital.
We
did
have
it
in
previous
terms
over
I
believe
it
was
the
first
time
I
was
in
an
office
which
was
in
2010.
We
did
four
million
per
year
for
the
four
years,
which
was
sixteen
million,
but
we
haven't
had
capital
until
I.
M
Guess
it's
this
year's
budget
for
for
some
time
with,
from
the
city
point
of
view,
so
I'm
happy
that
we're
matching
the
previous
year
but
I
want
to
share
it
with
committee.
My
concerns
and
it's
important
that
you,
you
understand
the
economics
of
this
I'm,
not
using
the
same
figure
as
Shelley,
but
I'll
use
a
different
figure
which
I
believe
to
be
simple.
M
So
if
we
are
to
spend
an
additional
fifteen
million
dollars,
that
would
house
divided
the
amount
by
three
hundred
thousand,
that's
roughly
what
it
costs
to
build
a
unit
just
a
general
number,
okay
I'm
using
that
figure.
Just
for
sake
of
discussion.
We
could
house
50
people
if
we
then
flip
it
the
other
way.
If
we
are
not
to
house
50
people,
what's
the
cost
of
that
so
take
that
number
50
people
in
this
case,
let's
use
the
one
that
we
all
agree,
is
the
easiest
to
house
families.
So
families
today
are
in
motels.
M
M
This
continues
to
vary
based
on
pressure,
but
let's
use,
let's
use
that
as
a
stat
that
is
2
million
a
year
ish,
so
we're
on
some
ways
we're
putting
and
I'm
using
a
small
segment
of.
What's
in
our
motels
and
shelters,
we're
operation
operationalizing
a
pressure,
that's
costing
us
more,
then
what
we
could
in
housing
folks
and
what
I'm
gonna
get.
I
sat
down
with
Marian
very
briefly
at
CPS
and
I
again,
I'll
reaffirm
that
I
would
really
like
that.
We
correct
the
governance
issue.
This
particular
item
fits
better
with
CPS.
M
M
We
can
get
an
agreement
that
that
small
portion
of
your
your
piece
be
transferred
to
CPS
so
that
we
can
have
that
holistic
conversation,
but
where
I
was
going
with,
it
is
currently
currently
the
the
15
million
dollar
will
be
funded
out
of
which
pockets
and
maybe
Marion
could
answer
that
question.
The
15
million
dollar
well
for
the
for
the
proposal
is
out
of
which
pockets
it's.
M
So
I'd
love
for
us
to
explore.
I've
spoken
to
Shelly
and
Donna
they're.
Looking
in
terms
of
the
long-term
financial
plan,
they'll
come
back
with
a
substantial
plan
which
I
believe
to
be
the
right
approach,
but
I
think
we
have
to
start
talking
about
that
on
record
of
what
is
the
economics
we're
spending
a
lot
of
money
on
operations?
We
want
to
make
sure
no
one
sleeps
on
the
street,
yet
we're
not
housing
them.
We're
keeping
them
in
very
temporary
conditions,
so
I
will
be
bringing
that
forward
and
and
then
for
the
planning
planning
components.
M
I
would
just
for
the
record.
What
are
the
on
page
51
item?
Nine?
Oh
nine,
eight,
nine,
zero
three
point:
nine
million
dollars
could
Shelly
or
someone
from
the
team
speak
as
to
what
is
the
Ontario
housing
priorities
initiative,
and
my
second
element
is
page
55,
which
is
item
nine
zero,
six,
five,
six
five,
which
is
the
iah
element,
which
is
twenty
three
point:
three
million
dollars
so
both
of
those
items
could
we
just
for
for
our
knowledge?
What
are
they
used
for?
Madam.
J
Chair
so
the
interior
priorities,
housing
initiative
is
a
new
program
from
the
province.
It's
part
of
the
provinces,
community
housing
renewal
strategy,
so
it
replaces
a
previous
program
called
the
investing
in
affordable
housing
extension
program
which
ran
from
2014
to
2020.
So
this
is
a
new
pot
of
funding.
We
have
a
three-year
allocation
from
the
provincial
government,
so
what
we
have
to
spend
in
2020
is
the
3.9
million
dollars
it
can
be
invested.
It
will
be
invested
in
the
development
of
new,
affordable
housing
to
support
our
Ontario
renovates
program.
J
In
respect
to
the
other
item
on
page
55,
the
iah
rental
housing,
the
23
point:
three
million
dollars-
that's
are
a
master
account
for
housing,
so
it's
it's
holding
all
of
our
different
pot
of
funding
and
as
projects
as
projects
are
approved
and
funding
is
allocated
and
committed
against
them.
We
then
draw
down
on
that
funding
as
we
as
milestones
are
reached
and
we
and
we
provide
that
funding
to
the
to
the
housing
builder.
A
You
know,
I,
think
what
I'd
like
to
see
is
when
we
keep
throwing
out
the
same
kind
of
numbers
of
people
that
are
homeless
and
then
the
some
people
is
that
the
numbers
of
people
that
need
to
have
housing
and
the
same
kind
of
I
mean
really.
What
we
have
to
do
is
have
it's
almost
like
fish
in
a
barrel,
you've
got
to
understand
what
kind
of
fish
are
in
there
and
how
and
how
you
are
going
to
you
know.
A
Fish
is
a
poor
analogy
but
I'm
just
because
it's
like
a
conglomerate
of
stuff,
whereas,
as
you
said
in
your
community
of
hindenburg,
what
would
be
affordable
there
for
somebody
to
be
able
to
live
there,
we're
seeing
more
stock
on
people,
building,
Lapine,
etc,
they're
building
rental
housing,
which
we
haven't
seen
before?
How
does
that
influence
or
help?
How
do
we
I
can
tell
you
councillor
flurry
that
myself
and
I
know
that
mr.
Willis
I've
had
many
conversations
with
the
development
industry?
A
You
have
great
ideas
on
how
to
do
this
in
a
far
more
affordable
fashion
than
we're
doing
I.
Don't
know
why
it
cost
that
much,
but
it
shouldn't
cost
that
much
per
unit.
It
shouldn't
and
I
think
that,
maybe,
as
part
of
the
standards
review
that
you're
doing
mr.
Willis,
that's
one
that
we
should
be
looking
at.
I
really
think
that
that's
that'd
be
very
positive,
because
I
think
that
there's
ways
that
we
can
we
can
get
more
than
how
many
units
out
of
266.
A
B
B
A
We
don't
want
to
digress
from
it.
Clearly,
there's
a
big
interest
right
in
doing
better
doing
more,
but
not
necessarily
with
the
unrealistic
dream
that
this
level
of
government
is
going
to
be
able
to
get
you
there.
As
councilor
leaper
said
the
the
other
two
levels
of
government
and
they
are
asked
all
the
time
for
that
contribution.
A
That's
where
that's
that's,
where
we
need
to
go
and
continue
to
go,
and
we've
got
partners
that
are
doing
that
as
well.
Two
of
them
were
here
today.
Thank
you
very
much
so
on
the
well
know,
I
have
to
do
the
last
where's
that
on
the
planning
committee,
capital
budget,
page
35,
is
that
carried
and
on
the
so
on
the
complete
2020
budget
for
the
planning
committee
Carrie.
Thank
you
now,
one
less.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thanks
for
hanging
around
Shelley
and
mr.
Ellison
and
miss
emilich,
and
thank
you
very
much.
Miss
Simha.
A
Could
you
just
stand
up
for
a
minute,
so
I
can
see
you
around
councillor.
Gower
I
just
want
to
say
how
very
much
I've
appreciated
all
that
you've
taught
me
over
the
past.
How
long
have
we
been
here?
20
years
now,
I
guess
I've
been
here
longer
well,
19
years
anyway.
Thank
you,
so
much
you've
been
outstanding
and
we
all
have
been
well
served
in
this
city
by
your
hard
work.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
M
It's
me
and
it
I've
been
I've
had
a
that
was
given
to
me
when
I
was
at
community
Protective
Services
for
surprising
members
and
I.
Don't
want
to
surprise
anyone
so
because
the
item
that
I
plan
to
bring
in
terms
of
direction
to
staff
for
term
of
council
priority
sort
of
fits
in
between
CPS
and
planning
I
want
to
there's
nothing
for
approval
today,
but
I
plan
to
bring
this
to
City
Council
as
part
of
the
term
of
council
priority
I'm
just
going
to
read
it
for
you,
so
that
you
are
aware
of
my
intent.
M
I
would
preface
by
saying
that
there
is
a
plan
that
the
city
is
doing
in
terms
of
the
long
term,
finance
the
long-range
financial
plan
for
affordable
housing,
but
there's
also
the
five
year
midpoint
review
of
the
10
here
housing
and
homelessness
plan.
It's
part
of
that
I
would
certainly
would
love
for
council
to
prioritize
families
and
there's
another
subgroup
which
I
know
Donna
and
Shelly
are
work
working
closely
with
and
that
that's
our
indigenous
community,
specifically
our
Inuit
community,
who
are
really
over-represented
in
our
shelter
population.
M
So,
just
for
the
record,
I'm
gonna
read
my
direction
to
staff,
and
this
is
for
again
the
term
of
council
priority
as
the
thriving
communities
term
of
council.
Priority
defines
high
level
priority
outcomes
related
to
the
city,
planning
and
housing
policy
framework
that
staff
be
directed
to
consider
the
following
as
they
review
these
policy
frameworks
and
develop
performance
measures
for
this
term
of
council
priority
one
establishing
supporting
policies
to
increase
the
supply
of
rental
units
of
all
sizes
in
the
city
to
identify
a
number
of
rental
units.
M
The
city
will
finance
this
term
and
three
setting
policies
to
support
new
rental
buildings
in
order
to
create
a
balance
of
housing
availabilities
and
that
staff
be
directed
to
consult
with
Ottawa
communities
and
the
liaison
for
housing
and
home
in
defining
these
measures
again,
this
will
officially
be
presented
at
Council.
Well,.
A
A
Okay,
anybody
have
any
notices
of
motion
any
enquiries,
any
other
business
you're
anxious
to
go
over
the
quirk
town
bridge.
They
should
get
back
up
just
it's
Ville
adjournment
the
next
meeting
we
have
two
of
them
and
then
we
are
at
Christmas
and
into
the
new
year
live
two
more.
We
have
yes,
don't
on
Monday
December,
the
9th
we
have
a
special
joint
meeting
of
planning
committee
and
Agriculture
and
Rural
Affairs
Committee.
That
starts
at
12:00.
This
starts
at
noon.
It's
a
Monday
and
it's
on
the
official
plan.