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From YouTube: Ottawa City Council - November 22, 2017
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Ottawa City Council - November 22, 2017
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She
is
13
years
old
and
live
in
the
rural
village
of
greeley
in
asgood
ward,
and
also
she
we
have
her
parents
with
us
in
the
audience
wayne
and
catherine
styles,
kaylee
is
currently
attending
canterbury,
high
school
and
she's
enrolled
in
the
vocal
program.
Kelly
has
been
singing
acting
and
performing
since
she
was
six
she's.
Very.
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B
She
has
also
participated
in
lavoie
junior
in
montreal,
which
is
life
singing
competition
before
celebrity
judges
similar
to
the
one
at
the
voice.
Kaylee
is
extremely
talented
and
loves
performing
for
audiences,
both
young
and
old,
without
further
delay.
Please
help
me
welcome
miss
kaylee
style
to
sing
the
canadian
anthem
today.
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A
Don
has
worked
tirelessly
for
the
seniors
community
in
bar
haven
and
has
shown
inspiring
leadership
as
the
president
of
the
bar
haven,
seniors
council,
don
winchester
and
his
wife
marilyn
have
been
active
in
the
community
since
moving
here
from
calgary
in
2011.,
we
had
a
meeting
back
in
december
2013
councilor
harder
and
myself
dawn
and
seniors
from
the
community
to
discuss
the
need
for
programs
and
services
for
older
adults
in
the
area.
This
was
a
productive
start
and
in
2014
don
became
the
co-founder
and
president
of
the
bar
haven
seniors
council.
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A
Don
is
being
recognized
with
the
mayor
city
builder
award
for
his
energy
leadership
and
enthusiasm
in
delivering
programs
and
services
to
seniors
bar
haven,
seniors
now
enjoy
bridge
and
euchre
clubs,
social
activities,
chair
exercises
and
other
outings
close
to
their
homes.
Dawn's
motivation
and
leadership
and
steering
this
group
to
success
has
given
members
new
friendships
and
a
sense
of
community
through
weekly
activities
and
the
best
potlucks
in
the
neighborhood.
A
It's
my
honor
to
my
honor
to
acknowledge
these
contributions
with
the
city
builder
award.
This
award
recognizes
people
who
have
demonstrated
an
extraordinary
commitment
to
making
our
city
a
better
place
today
and
for
the
future
through
outstanding
volunteerism
or
exemplary
action.
Don's
leadership
and
organizational
skills
were
honed
over
more
than
30
years,
working
at
the
calgary
calgary
board
of
education
through
his
work
with
little
league
baseball
and
as
the
co-founder
and
vp
of
the
alberta
amateur
baseball
council.
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Now,
as
the
senior
advisor
of
the
project
steering
committee
for
the
bar
haven,
community
and
cultural
center,
dawn's
dream
is
to
have
a
quality
new
center
for
programs
and
services
for
seniors
in
bar
haven.
I'd
like
to
take
an
opportunity
dawn
to
thank
you
for
your
many
contributions
to
your
community
and
the
broader
city.
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B
Thank
you,
mayor
watson
and
counselors
and
staff.
First,
I
want
to
thank
mayor
watson,
councilor
harder
councillor
kakish
for
presenting
the
mayor
c
builder
award
to
me
this
morning.
It
does
mean
a
lot
to
meryl
and
I
to
know
that
we
are
in
some
way
helping
to
make
a
contribution
to
the
community
that
we
chose
upon
retiring.
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B
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E
A
F
You
chair,
I
counselor
jeff
leiper,
declared
a
potential
deemed
pecuniary
interest
on
item
3
audit
committee
report,
13
office
of
the
auditor
general
report
on
audit
follow-ups
and
detailed
audit
follow-up
reports,
as
my
spouse
chaired
the
board
of
directors
of
the
ottawa
school
of
speech
and
drama
at
the
time
that
organization
ceased
operations
with
an
outstanding
debt
to
the
city.
That
is
one
of
the
items
in
the
detailed
audit
follow-up
reports.
G
Indirect
pecuniary
interest
in
agenda
item
eight
planning
committee
report,
54
a
official
plan
amendment
zoning
bylaw
amendment
325,
327
and
333
montreal
road
334
mo
4
street
and
273
saint
ann
avenue,
as
my
daughter
is
employed
by
shepherds
of
good
hope,
an
organization
that
is
in
the
same
funding
bracket
as
the
salvation
army.
The
applicant.
A
H
The
report
from
the
integrity
commissioner
entitled
integrity.
Commissioner
2017
annual
report,
the
report
from
the
ottawa
board
of
health
entitled
ontario's
health
system
transformation,
response
to
the
minister's
expert
panel
report,
audit
committee
report,
13
finance
and
economic
development
committee
report,
29
planning
committee
report,
54
transit,
commission
report
15
and
the
report
from
the
city,
clerk
and
solicitors
office
entitled
summary
of
oral
and
written
public
submissions
for
items
subject
to
bill.
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73,
explanation
requirements
at
the
city
council,
meeting
of
november
8
2017
be
received
and
considered,
and
that
pursuant
to
subsections,
35,
5
and
35
6
of
procedural
bylaw
2016-377
council
receive
and
consider
planning
a
report.
54A
and
the
petitions
listed
on
the
agenda
with
respect
to
the
closure
of
john
wood
street
and
with
respect
to
salvation
army
proposal
be
received.
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A
I
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
As
chair
of
planning
committee,
I
wanted
to
say
a
few
words
about
the
salvation
army
application
which,
as
you
all
know,
is
seeking
amendments
to
the
official
plan,
the
zoning
bylaw
and
the
montreal
road
district
secondary
plan
to
permit
a
residential
care
facility,
shelter
and
surface
parking
on
their
property
on
montreal
road.
As
you
saw
by
the
number
of
people
who
attended
planning
committee
last
week,
there
is
a
lot
of
interest
in
the
proposal.
I
While
there
are
different
views
about
the
proposed
facility.
I
want
to
thank
the
community
members
who
have
been
so
active
and
engaged
on
this
file.
I'd
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
remind
everyone
that
what
is
before
council
today
is
a
recommendation
from
planning
committee
based
on
a
recommendation
from
our
city
planning
staff.
I
J
J
J
The
short
answer
of
that
is
no,
there
are
no
such
impediments,
and
in
line
with
that,
we
did
draw
a
number
of
conclusions,
including
the
following.
The
current
city
council
is
not
bound
by
policy
decisions
of
a
past
council
city.
Council's
current
official
plan
allows
for
the
creation
of
shelters,
there's
no
provision
in
the
city's
comprehensive
zoning,
bylaw
or
official
plan
that
prohibits
shelters
on
traditional
or
arterial
main
streets.
There's
no
maximum
shelter
cap
highlighted
in
the
official
plan.
J
That
would
actually
do
a
great
deal
of
damage
to
our
case
in
defending
this
matter
in
things
like
the
ontario
municipal
board.
In
doing
so,
mr
mayor,
we're
clear
that
we
have
not,
in
the
legal
mind,
said
that
social
and
neighborhood
impact
is
not
a
valid
planning
consideration,
in
fact,
to
the
opposite.
We
were
very
clear
on
a
number
of
occasions
saying
that
is
something
that
members
of
the
committee
and
council
could
take
into
hand.
We
also
reiterated
that
appropriate
land
and
planning
use
does
not
confine
itself
to
the
boundaries
of
this
property.
J
We
talked
about.
You
can
talk
about
the
roads,
you
can
talk
about
sidewalks,
you
can
talk
about
things
around
the
property,
so
it
doesn't
end
at
the
property
line
and,
again
to
reiterate
the
planning
law
regulates,
land
use
and
not
the
users
of
the
land,
as
well
as
the
programs
or
funding
applications
or
anything
else
of
the
particular
applicant.
In
this
case,
and
with
regards
to
that,
mr
mayor,
that
leads
us
to
my
concerns
with
regards
to
human
rights
and
zoning
issues.
J
We
indicated
two
members
of
committee
last
week
and
will
do
so
again
that
human
rights
and
tribunals
as
well
as
courts
across
the
country
in
exercising
their
authority
on
planning
and
zoning
matters
by
municipalities
are
required
to
ensure
that
they
do
not
infringe
on
rights
guaranteed
under
either
the
ontario
human
rights
code
or,
in
fact,
the
canadian
charter
of
rights
and
freedoms.
And
in
fact,
the
ontario
human
rights
code
is
in
fact,
for
constitutional
purposes.
Supersedes
the
statutory
obligations
under
the
planning
act,
whereas
reference
to
various
cases-
and
I
won't
bore
you
with
those
things.
J
But
I
would
draw
for
your
conclusion
in
conclusion.
Sorry,
that
the
ministry
of
municipal
affairs
has
reinforced
the
importance
of
human
rights
and
added
this
language
to
two
key
resources.
The
first
being
the
municipal
councillor's
guide
for
2014
in
section
3,
where
they
referred
to
the
ontario
human
rights
code
and
for
the
provincial
purposes.
The
provincial
policy
statement
section
4.6
in
2014,
which
now
reiterates
that
under
the
planning
act,
it
states
that
provincial
policy
statement
quote
shall
be
implemented
in
a
way.
J
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I'm
just
a
bit
confused
between
the
chairs
introduction
where
she
said
that
questions
related
to
things
like
the
housing
and
homelessness
plan.
Other
social
impacts
would
be
deemed
out
of
order,
and
the
city
solicitors
comment
just
now.
That
said,
that
social
impacts
are
very
much
in
order,
so
those
seem
to
me
to
be
dimetrically
opposed
and
I'm
wondering
if
the
city
solicitor
can
provide
a
little
bit
clarity.
J
With
respect
mr
mayor,
I
don't
think
it
contradicts
it,
it
has
to
be
social
impacts
related
to
the
community
or
the
neighborhood
that
are
related
to
land
use
and
when
we
talk
about
land
use,
we
talk
about
the
fact
that
is
this
application
going
to
be
something
that
is
going
to
have
impediments
with
regards
to
transportation
and
planning
committee
was
very
good
on
that.
They
asked
a
series
of
questions
with
regards
to.
If
there
is
a
truck
coming
once
a
week,
I
think
the
the
term
was
to
provide
supplies
for
this
particular
facility.
J
Is
it
an
18-wheeler?
Is
it
a
small
panel
truck?
Will
it
have
difficulty
getting
down
the
roads?
Where
is
it
going
to
be
approach?
What
time
is
it
going
to
be
approaching?
Will
it
affect
children
crossing
for
schools
and
other
matters?
Those
are
impact
social
impacts
on
the
community,
but
they
are
not
about
funding
or
the
programs
that
this
applicant
may
be
involved
in.
K
Mr
chairman,
on
page
70
of
the
staff
report,
the
staff
explicitly
referenced
the
housing
and
homelessness
plan,
so
they
are
balancing
the
number
of
shelters
within
ward
12
against
the
applicant's
criteria
for
site
selection,
which
correspond
with
the
requested
site,
as
well
as
the
council
approved
our
tenure
plan,
a
home
for
everyone
2014-2024,
which
is
otherwise
known
as
the
housing
and
homelessness
plan.
So
can
I
safely
assume
that,
given
that
staff
have
specifically
raised
this
in
document
4
of
the
staff
report,
that
questions
will
be
in
order
in
response
to
that
statement
by
staff?
A
E
Applications
for
official
plan
amendments
of
city-wide
significance
will
be
considered,
providing
the
following
criteria
are
met,
and
this
is
pulled
from
the
website
from
our
city
website.
Hey
the
applicant
policies
in
section
4,
be
the
application
information
and
report
listed
in
policy
2i
through,
and
this
is
exactly
how
it's
posted
on
the
website
xxx.
Above
all
of
these
submitted
ac
additional
information
regarding
the
appropriateness
of
the
proposed
amendments,
including
a
city-wide
analysis.
E
An
evaluation
of
the
alternatives
has
been
submitted
and
whereas
there
should
be
a
study
of
alternate
sites
such
as
a
facility
and
council
should
have
a
copy
of
such
an
analysis.
Prior
to
decision
therefore
be
resolved.
That
council
defer
consideration
of
this
application
until
such
time
as
the
applicant
provides
an
analysis
of
the
other
available
lands
and
potential
sites
to
planning
committee
and
council.
A
E
Those
criterias
were
made
available,
but
the
sites
that
were
presented
other
than
the
one
that
is
in
front
of
us
was
never
provided.
So
we
don't
have
a
list
of
the
efforts
and
the
sites
that
were
included.
We
don't
know
if
the
analysis
was
appropriate.
We
don't
know
if,
as
you
know,
members
of
my
community
did
use
the
criteria
and
look
at
the
other,
the
other
sites,
and
we
don't
know
how
that
compares.
So
there's
a
lot
of
information.
I
know
members
of
council
have
said
what
other
locations.
E
C
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B
C
C
B
C
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C
M
M
F
A
E
So
the
the
motion
reads
as
follow:
whereas
the
salvation
army
is
a
long-standing
service
provider
and
whereas
the
work
that
the
organization
does
is
needed
to
help
our
most
vulnerable
residents
in
ottawa,
therefore
be
it
resolve
that
we
recognize
the
value
of
the
salvation
army
brings
the
importance
of
the
services
they
offer
and
we
applaud
their
war,
their
work
in
ottawa.
I
hope
that's
a
unanimous
vote.
A
A
A
E
The
montreal
road
secondary
plan
does
not
permit
surface
parking
on
lots
along
montreal
road,
whereas
the
report
recommends
the
adoption
of
an
official
plan
amendment
to
permit
surface
parking
on
the
subject
land
and
whereas
the
report
also
recommends
the
approval
of
zoning
bylaw
amendments
to
permit
a
development
that
would
have
parking
spaces
located
in
the
front
yard,
save
and
accept
within
the
first
13
meters.
Back
from
the
lot
line.
Abiding
montreal
road
therefore
be
resolved
that
in
document
three
details
recommended
recommended.
E
C
F
Chair,
thank
you
very
much.
I
I
do
support
this.
Absolutely.
It
is
critical.
We've
been
asked
to
think
about
this
application
in
light
of
a
very
restrictive
land.
Use
argument
is
a
shelter,
a
suitable
use
on
a
traditional
main
street,
and
to
that
end
we
have
to
think
about
how
we
think
about
main
streets
writ
large
overall.
F
How
do
we
expect
traditional
main
streets
in
this
city
to
develop
and
one
of
the
last
things
I
think
any
counselor
around
this
table
wants
to
see
for
their
main
streets
is
that
we
just
perpetuate
the
the
strip
mall
model
of
buildings
that
are
set
well
back
from
the
street
with
surface
parking
in
front.
If
we
accept
that
surface
parking
is
okay
here,
I
think
we're
going
to
have
a
really
difficult
time
saying
that
surface
parking
isn't
okay
in
our
other
traditional
main
streets.
F
G
D
D
M
M
The
idea
is
to
have
it
back
as
proposed
by
the
applicant
in
on
the
subject:
property.
There
is
to
be
13
meters
of
landscape
space.
This
13
meters
provides
first
three
things.
One
a
safety
area
for
vehicles
coming
in
off
of
montreal,
road,
stopping
and
queueing
for
vehicles,
parking
out
are
leading
and
backing
out
of
this
area
as
well.
M
The
the
part
of
this
this
parking
would
be
hidden
even
further,
and
thirdly,
with
respect
to
the
thrift
store,
it
is
actually
part
of
this
application
right
now
it
is
being
a
property
of
the
thrift
store
is
being
rezoned
with
respect
to
a
loading
space,
but
should
it
be
severed
in
the
future
as
of
right
now
and
in
the
future,
it
would
still
require
parking.
It
needs
a
minimum
of
nine
parking
spaces
and
the
traditional
main
street
zoning
allows
this
parking
to
be
provided
off-site.
M
N
Just
on
a
similar
vein
to
staff,
I've
been
to
the
obama
center
and
I
just
couldn't
see
how
they
could
ever
had
any
surface
parking,
because
I
used
the
whole
pretty
well
the
whole
site.
So
I
think
it's
quite
a
different
matter.
They
weren't
forced
to
go
underground.
That's
the
only
way
they
could
provide
parking.
I
believe
is
that
correct.
M
Yes,
mr
mayor,
that
is
correct.
You,
the
parking
could
be
provided,
as
I
mentioned,
on
main
streets
in
a
surface
area.
As
long
as
I
mentioned,
it's
not
predominantly
right
between
the
building
and
the
streets.
So
if
the
building,
of
course
takes
up
the
majority
of
the
site-
and
you
still
do
have
required
parking,
the
alternative
is
to
go
underground.
Yes,.
N
So
this
is
a
different
matter
at
the
other
side,
you're
saying
right
now,
this
the
salvation
army
store
doesn't
have
enough
room
on
its
own
site
for
parking.
That's
why
they
go
next
door,
which
is
right
along
montreal
right
this
hot
that
that
has
parking
right
along
montreal.
I've
taken
a
look
at.
It
seems
to
me
they're
already
parking
along
the
streets.
N
I
looked
at
the
memo
you
sent
by
putting
it
13
meters
back
you're,
actually
putting
it
further
back
than
they're
parking
right
now,
but
not
as
far
as
the
bylaw
would
say
normally,
but
the
main
parking
lot
is,
I
believe,
52
meters
back,
I
I
don't.
I
try
to
remember
the
numbers
and
things
is
that
the
way
the
main
parking
is
behind.
This
is
just
a
little
bit
near
the
front
for
the
swift.
This
is
the
store.
M
It
is
hidden
and
it
meets
that
intent
and
the
rest
of
the
parking,
of
course
is
provided
further
back
into
the
site,
which
is
even
further
hidden,
but
with
the
buildings
on
either
side
of
the
parking
that's
allowed
and
that
landscaping
it
meets
that
intent
of
not
being
out
on
the
street
in
a
main
street.
So.
N
If
we
didn't
do
this,
then
salvation
would
continue
with
its
present
status,
which
is
non-conformity
for
parking,
because
it
does
not
have
it
on
site
now.
It
would
still
not
have
it
on
site
if
we
did
not
make
this
approval,
which
would
mean
there's
further
congestion
on
montreal
road
for
parking,
which
is
already.
M
N
M
Yes,
mr
mayor,
there
would
be
a
further
reduction
in
parking
which
would
create
more
of
a
shortfall,
and
I
must
say
that
that
was
one
of
the
issues
that
came
up
during
the
public
consultation
in
the
at
planning
committee
was
the
lack
of
parking
that's
being
provided.
So
it
would
further
exacerbate
that.
Yes,.
N
So,
basically,
what
you're
trying
to
come
up
with
something
practical
to
reduce
pressure
on
montreal
road
for
parking
as
opposed
to
giving
them
a
special,
because
if
they
didn't,
we
didn't
approve
this,
it
doesn't
stop
the
development
from
going
ahead,
because
it's
not
parking
for
this
development.
That's
involved
at
all.
It's
just
the
parking
for
the
thrift
stores,
we'll
just
continue,
then,
to
have
wouldn't
change
its
status.
That's
the
way
I'm
looking
at
it
is
that
is
that
correct.
M
It
would
it
would
reduce
the
amount
of
parking
on
site
and
the
thrift
store
does
need
a
minimum
of
nine
parking
spaces
which
would
have
to
it
couldn't
use
the
street
parking
for
that.
It
would
need
to
have
them
next
door
such
as
being
proposed,
so
they
would
still
need
to
have
the
required
parking
on-
let's
say,
the
the
salvation
army
site
and
by
reducing
these
spaces
you're
eliminating
those,
and
it
puts
more
pressure
on
the
street
parking.
N
Is
this
big
the
parking
they
have
at
the
site
next
door
to
them
part
of
their
original
approvals?
Or
is
that
just
being
convenient?
Because
I
try
to
think
of
non-conforming
rights
usually
mean
you
can
continue
doing
what
you're
doing
now?
Even
if
you
don't
meet
the
bylaw
and
that's
that
building's
been
there
for
a
long
time.
K
K
M
Mr
mayor,
the
intent
of
the
official
plan
is
not
is
to
have
buildings
being
the
predominant
features
along
traditional
main
streets.
The
traditional
mainstream
policy
does
allow
for
driveways
and
it
does
allow
in
a
parent
plan
for
surface
parking.
As
I
mentioned,
the
idea
is
to
hide
this
and
having
it
in
the
back
meets
that
intent,
as
well
as
having
that
13
meters
of
landscaping
in
front
also
meets
that
intent
with
respect
to
official
plan
policies
and
parking
on
main
streets.
K
So
it's
interesting
to
hear
the
observation
or
the
suggestion
that
landscape
meets
the
intent
of
the
traditional
main
street
zoning.
So
the
suggestion
is
is
that,
although
there's
a
prohibition
of
surface
parking
within
a
traditional
main
street
zone,
if
one
can
hide
the
parking,
so
if
one
puts
a
row
of
hedges
up
and
so
that
you
don't
see
the
cars,
it
sounds
to
me
that
that
would
satisfy
the
department.
So
it's
what
I
heard
is
landscaping
can
meet
the
intent
of
this
zoning
bylaw.
M
Mr
mayor,
in
this
instance,
there's
a
narrow
frontage
along
montreal
road
which
will
have
the
driveway.
The
official
plan
for
traditional
main
streets
says
that
you
can
have
frontages
where
you
have
driveways,
leading
in
of
course,
and
that
there
can
be
landscaping
again.
The
intent
is
to
hide
that
parking,
as
opposed
to
a
situation
next
door,
where
you
have
like
say
the
gabriel's
pizza,
where
the
parking
is
right
in
front
of
the
building.
M
It
is
the
department's
position
that,
with
respect
to
this
proposal,
the
parking
being
set
back,
13
meters
as
again
it's
safe,
because
there's
a
throat
there
for
queuing
and
some
traffic
conflicts
and
meets
that
intent,
and
it
will
be
hidden
behind
the
buildings
that
are
on
either
side
of
this
narrow
throat
that
comes
in
as
well.
When
those
buildings
say
redevelop
in
the
future,
it
will
be
even
more
hidden.
K
In
this
case,
the
rear
parking
lot
is
far
beyond
that,
and
so
I
don't
have
any
objection
in
this
case
for
the
rear
parking
lot,
because
that
is
beyond
the
typical
depth
of
30
meters
of
the
site.
Council
flurries
motion
would
seem
to
ask
us
to
ensure
that
we
don't
have
surface
parking
within
27
meters
or
26
meters,
which
is
below
the
typical
traditional
main
street
site.
So,
given
that
there
is
a
parking
lot
in
the
rear,
did
staff
explore
with
the
applicant
the
opportunity
to
satisfy
the
parking
space?
D
K
O
You,
mr
mayor,
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
what
we
heard.
I
the
the
past
three
days
last
week
at
planning
committee
from
from
folks
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
hear
from
the
applicant.
I
think
it
was
when
foten
was
up.
Was
that
part
of
their
rationale
for
why
this
traditional
main
street
should
allow
for
a
shelter
as
opposed
to
others,
was
that
it
was
a
transit
intensive
corridor,
as
is,
I
think
they
used
montreal
road
and
rito
street,
as
the
two
examples
is
that
your
recollection.
O
So
we've
got
a
transit
priority
corridor.
That's
why
that's
part
of
the
rationale
for
allowing
us
to
go
up
against
our
traditional
main
street
uses
and
yet
we're
here
talking
about
additional
parking
and
I'll
tell
you.
The
other
thing
that
I
heard
was
not
so
from
from
residents
was
not
their
concern
about
staff
parking,
because
the
staff
parking
is
all
in
the
back.
O
They
were.
It
was
the
concern
about
that
front
parking,
and
what
would
you
know
so?
I
think
that
to
today
not
to
accept
that
we
should
not
have
this
front
yard
parking
that
would
simply
be
for
clients
of
the
thrift
store,
which
again
is
on
a
transit
priority
corridor.
I
think
we
have
to
expect
people
to
actually
take
transit.
I
don't
know
why,
on
a
traditional
main
street,
we
would
be
allowing
extra
parking
where
we
don't,
where
we
don't
require
it.
O
E
M
E
M
It's
requirement
the
zoning
bylaw
and,
as
I
mentioned,
they
are
allowed
to
provide
parking
next
door
such
as
proposed
here
and
elimination
of
these
parking
spaces
could
result
in
the
thrift
store
not
having
the
parking
required
by
the
zoning
bylaw.
So
they
they
get
to
use
next
door,
for
example,
because
of
the
provisions
already
allowed
in
the
zoning
by-law.
E
So,
mr
mayor,
just
to
reassure
members
of
council
a
few
years
ago,
we
removed
the
pain
display
on
montreal
road
because
it
had
such
low
usage.
There
was
no
one
parking
on
street
on
montreal
road,
so
we
removed
the
pan
display
there's
tons
of
capacity
along
the
corridor.
So
I
hope
that
we
follow
our
regulations
on
main
streets
and
not
allow
for
this
front
yard
parking
to
be
permitted.
E
B
B
C
H
C
C
A
H
C
P
C
D
A
A
Q
Absolutely
so
the
sec,
the
motion
is,
whereas
section
45
of
the
planning
act
establishes
the
jurisdiction.
The
committee
of
adjustment
to
authorize
minor
variances
from
a
by-law
passed
under
section,
34
or
section
38
of
the
act,
and
whereas
such
authorities
delegated
to
the
committee
of
adjustment
by
the
council
of
the
city
of
ottawa
through
its
direction
to
establish
the
committee
of
adjustment
on
september
12,
2001
and
whereas
there
is
a
desire
to
have
matters
relating
to
any
addition
or
expansion
of
the
proposed
shelter
use
at
this
location.
Q
Return
to
planning
committee
and
council
for
consideration,
regardless
of
whether
they
are
categorized
as
minor
or
not,
therefore
be
resolved.
The
planning
committee
recommend
council
direct
staff
to
initiate
a
bylaw
under
section
45
103,
to
establish
specific
criteria
in
respect
of
any
proposed
expansion
or
addition
relating
to
the
shelter
use
at
325,
327
333,
montreal
road
in
334,
mall
4th
street
and
273
saint
ann
avenue,
so
that
any
such
proposal
is
to
be
heard
by
planning,
community
and
council
of
the
city
of
ottawa.
Q
Before
the
second
anniversary
of
the
day
on
which
the
bylaw
was
amended,
should
the
amendment
be
approved
by
council
and
so
to
sum
that
up
this
is
to
avoid
adding
shelter
beds
without
there
being
proper
public
consultation
without
elected
officials
being
part
of
that
conversation
in
the
future.
If
this
proposal
does
eventually
get
approved,
all
right,
thank.
E
F
C
E
S
I
just
want
to
understand
exactly
what
this
is
doing
by
not
enacting
it
basically
provides
a
window
where
it
couldn't
happen
until
certain
things
happen.
Correct,
because
what
I
heard
last
week,
when
I
happened
to
drop
by
the
committee
of
adjustment
on
another
important
community
issue,
was
that
if
council
wanted
that
to
happen,
we
should
have
placed
a
hold
zone
on
the
property,
and
we
haven't
been
advised
that.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
this
is
if
this
has
the
same
effect
as
if
we
were
to
place
a
hold
zone
on
the
property.
K
Okay,
may
I
take
a
shot
at
it.
Mr
mayor,
first
of
all,
there
are
two
separate
issues
being
dealt
with
here.
There
is
a
motion
on
the
table
to
put
a
holding
symbol
under
the
planning
act
under
the
zoning
approval,
which
is
a
separate
motion.
That
is
a
separate
item
which
is
gives
council
to
add
some
under
a
limited
number
of
conditions.
Under
the
planning
act,
you
can
put
conditions
can.
K
This
motion
triggers
another
section
of
the
planning
act,
which
limits
the
jurisdiction
of
the
committee
of
adjustment
under
very
specific
criteria
established
by
council,
as
it
relates
to
matter
so
the
city,
clerk
and
solicitor
or
staff
could
correct
me
if
I've
not
stated
that
correctly.
But
these
are
two
separate
provisions
of
the
act.
S
A
T
Mr
mayor,
the
the
motion
is
crafted
under
a
section
that
recently
introduced
the
planning
act,
which
allows
council
to
find
additional
criteria
that
the
committee
of
adjustment
must
consider
when
dealing
with
an
application
for
a
minor
variance
that
didn't
exist.
Previously
it
exists
today.
The
motion
is
being
brought
forward
to
extend
that
ability
on
a
site-specific
basis,
whereas
the
intent
of
the
legislation
all
deferred
to
legal.
If
any
further
comments
they
have.
T
But
the
way
that
I
understand
the
legislation
is
meant
to
be
a
city-wide
additional
criteria
that
would
be
defined
by
council
for
minor
variance
applications.
Other
means
that
are
available
and
that
can
be
considered.
It
doesn't
prevent
an
application
from
being
made
to
the
committee
of
adjustment.
But
when
you're
dealing
with
the
four
prong
tests
under
the
planning
act,
one
is
the
intent
and
purpose
of
the
zoning
by
law
being
maintained.
T
The
other
intended
purpose
of
the
official
plan
being
maintained
if
there
are
provisions
introduced
that
clearly
state
or
speak
to
the
intent
of
the
official
plan.
In
this
instance,
we
do
have
an
official
plan
amendment
to
allow
a
shelter
and,
if
there's
a
specific
intent,
that's
articulated
through
the
official
plan
staff,
could
then
go
to
the
committee
of
adjustment
and
take
the
position
that
that
test
is
not
being
met.
So
there
there
are
other
are
other
means.
T
It
doesn't
prevent
the
committee
from
considering
the
application,
but
it
then
requires
the
committee
to
have
regard
to
whatever
council
might
have
set
in
place
through
the
official
plan
or
if
an
intent
is
clearly
articulated
through
the
zoning
bylaw
again,
the
committee
of
adjustment
would
have
to
give
consideration
to
that
as
to
whether
or
not
they
feel
they
have
the
ability
to
deal
with
that
type
of
an
application.
So
this
is
one
technique
there
may
be.
Other
techniques
and
legal
might
have
some
further
comments.
C
Does
legal
have
further
comments
and
the
reason
why
I
ask
is
because
I
mean,
could
I
have
every
rural
severance
come
to
council?
Could
counselor
leaper
have
every
infill
project
in
kitchissippi
come
to
council
just
by
putting
forward
a
motion
that
says,
regardless
of
being
a
minor,
I
wanted
to
come
to
council.
D
C
C
A
No
wrap
up
but
counseling
the
committee.
Oh
okay,
that's
fine!
So
a
question
to
the
city
solicitor
just
for
clarity
sake,
because
councilor
fleury
has
asked
me
to
make
sure
everyone
knows
the
intent
of
the
motion.
Could
you
give
us
a
brief
synopsis
of
what
this
the
result
of
this
motion
would
do
if
it
is
passed
or
to
another
solicitor.
A
Q
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor,
whereas
the
report
includes
details
on
page
17
related
to
the
security
strategies
to
be
able
to
be
implemented
as
part
of
the
proposed
development
and
whereas
section
4.8.8
of
the
official
plan
speaks
to
principles
of
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design
in
its
review
of
development
applications
therefore
be
resolved.
The
council
approval
holding
provision
with
two
conditions
to
be
included
in
document
three
details
of
the
right.
Q
Q
The
amp
the
applicant
has
suggested
that
they
would
be
willing
and
very
interested
to
put
such
a
program
in
place,
and
they
think
that
they
can
have
a
program
in
place
in
the
byron
market
by
june
of
next
year,
and
this
would
be
an
outreach
program
within
the
community,
and
I
think
it
will
demonstrate
to
the
residents
of
vania
that
the
applicant
is
willing
and
interested
to
do
this
type
of
work
in
their
current
location
and
hopefully
transfer
that
good
work
to
their
new
location.
So
should
the
application
be
approved.
F
Thank
you
chair.
This
motion
speaks
to
mitigating
the
the
anticipated
socio-economic
impacts
of
having
a
shelter
on
a
traditional
main
street.
Again,
I
think
a
number
of
us
are
having
difficulty
reconciling
what
has
been
told
to
us
will
be
ruled
out
of
order
versus
what
won't
on
what
planning
grounds.
D
F
J
F
I
I
think
that
sorry,
that
that
makes
a
point
about
the
the
difficulty
of
this
entire
issue.
If
this
is
permissible
to
contemplate,
then
we
have
not
done
nearly
enough
debating
about
the
larger
socio-economic
discussion
associated
with
the
larger
planning
file,
just
because
it
is
intellectually
incoherent.
A
R
J
Mr
mayor,
with
regards
to
the
second
resolution
in
the
ambassador
program,
legal
has
raised
concerns,
and
we
spoke
about
this,
I
believe
during
the
planning
committee.
We
did
talk
to
the
the
counselor.
The
ambassador
program
is
not
actually
part
of
this
application
in
front
of
you.
It
is
not
in
the
report.
It
is
not
in
the
documentation.
J
It
was
raised
with
certain
delegations,
and
there
were
several
questions
and
answers
raised
on
that.
So
it
would
be
with
the
party's
consent
that
this
type
of
matter
would
go
through,
but
for
specific
legal
reasons,
we
think
that
this
section
two
a
recommendation
to
would
certainly
be
eminently
challengeable
at
the
ontario
municipal
board
and
if
I'm
asked,
I
will
recommend
that
it
be
out
of
order.
A
Q
R
I
Clarification
on
this
one,
if
I
recall
from
the
conversation
that
we
had
it,
had
a
lot
to
do
with
the
current
site
and
having
an
ambassador
program
in
place
there,
and
that
was
promised.
I
think,
for
this
june
and
then
see
how
that
works
in
preparation
and
if
that's
the
case,
that
could
be
a
motion
separate
by
itself
if
it
speaks
to
currently
and
then
having
the
ambassador
program
verified
as
as
as
good
or
needed
to
be
changed,
etc.
I
A
Q
Mr
mayor,
the
salvation
army
has
committed
to
this
program.
This
was
the
language
that
was
drafted
by
legal
and
planning
to
achieve
the
end
result.
So
it's
you
know
confusing
to
me
that
they
now
think
that
it's
somehow
inappropriate,
but
if
we
think
that
the
salvation
army
will
actually
live
up
to
their
word,
then
take
it
out,
but
that
wasn't
the
impression
I
received
from
the
community
delegations
at
planning
committee.
A
J
A
E
C
You,
mr
mayor,
so
what
you
have
in
front
of
you
and
we're
asking
to
remove
the
authorization
to
have
a
shelter
at
171
george
street,
once
the
salvation
army
has
left.
Of
course,
we
would
like
them
to
go
elsewhere
than
on
montreal
road,
but
in
this
case
it's
to
comply
with
the
obligations
of
the
2008
report.
H
A
E
So,
mr
mayor,
this
is
exactly
the
same
motion
as
the
previous
one,
but
for
the
new
location,
as
we
have
the
2008
report
in
front
of
us,
I
believe
it's
important
that
if
the
applicant
was
to
be
granted
the
use
at
the
at
montreal
road
but
never
pursue
it,
that
anyone
else
couldn't
just
come
in
and
and
use
that
zone
use
that
use
as
permitted
on
the
site.
So
I
I
think
that
it
it.
I
know
I've
seen
legal
interpretation
of
it.
E
I
believe
that
in
this
case,
the
only
one
that
could
appeal
the
con,
the
decision
would
be
the
applicant
and
I
don't
see
why
the
applicant
would
not
favor
this
motion.
In
my
mind,
the
applicant
would
be
if,
if
council
so
wishes,
as
that
would
gain
that
permission
of
use
at
montreal
road,
but
if
that's
never
exercised,
it
should
never
be
granted
to
respect
the
intents
of
the
separation
distances
and
the
shelter
cap,
and
that
speaks
to
the
report
and
the
analysis
from
staff
on
the
relocation
and
not
the
increase
of
numbers.
A
E
J
That's
correct,
mr
mayor
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
lawyers.
I
agree
with
the
counselor
that
it
would
be
the
salvation
army
army,
who
would
likely
be
the
most
obvious
one
to
appeal
this
to
the
ontario
municipal
board
and
if
they
didn't
do
so,
I
I
agree
with
that.
I
would
agree
with
the
word
counselor.
E
Just
on
I
wasn't
done
so
I
think
that's
pretty
straightforward.
Everyone
like
if
we're
granting
a
use
on
montreal
road
for
that
use.
We
expect
the
salvation
army
to
use
it
if
they
don't
use
it
don't
allow
for
that
use
to
hold
at
that
site.
The
only
person
that
can
appeal
us
to
that
is
the
salvation
army.
So
please
be
coherent
and
if
you're
supportive
of
the
staff
report,
it's
a
relocation,
then
you,
you
can't
vote
this
down
it.
It
counters
the
objectives
of
what
your
your
arguments
are.
A
E
E
The
ones
that
were
raised
for
this
report
are
the
following:
advance,
equity
and
inclusion
for
the
city's
diverse
population
to
create
new,
affordable
housing
options
and
three
and
three
support
growth
from
the
local
economy.
I
I'll
speak
briefly
to
the
three
matters,
so
so
for
the
first
one,
advancing
equity
and
inclusion,
diverse
population.
E
I
think
we
have
to
be
careful
in
ward
12,
we
have
the
ottawa
neighborhood
study,
which
has
identified
my
area
as
the
lowest
income
per
capita
in
the
city
that
does
not
advance
any
any
items
of
that
matter
in
terms
of
creating
affordable
units
you're
all
in
agreeance,
that's
shelter,
although
they're
temporary
they're,
not
affordable
units.
So
let's
be
clear
on
not
meeting
those
that
goal
and
then
three
in
terms
of
this
supporting
the
growth
in
the
economy.
I
also
want
to
be
careful.
Let's,
let's
identify
real
growth.
E
This
this
year
is
a
relocation,
although
there
might
be
more
employees,
the
employees
would
be
in
in
would
be
in
our
city
anywhere,
no
matter
where
the
programs
would
go.
So
it's
not
it's
not
additional
intent.
It's
not
something!
That's
very
controversial.
It
just
sends
a
message
that
we
do
have
a
report
card
and
we're
not
just
checking
boxes
that
what
we
bring
forward
as
term
of
council
priority
is
actually
very
something
that
we
care
about.
So
I
would
appreciate
your
support
as
well
on
this.
Thank.
E
C
A
R
Community
stakeholders
as
it
develops
the
site
plan
in
order
to
contribute
to
being
a
positive
impact
in
the
neighborhood.
And
whereas,
although
council
consideration,
the
zoning
official
plan,
application
must
be
based
on
land
use.
Planning.
Principles.
Council
recognized
the
importance
of
examining
the
services
that
we
provided
the
facility
in
the
context
neighborhood
in
the
city's
own
housing
first
strategy
and
whereas
the
federal
provincial
government's
making
significant
target
investments
in
housing
and
homelessness.
R
That
may
have
an
impact
on
the
program
for
this
facility
in
the
future
and
whereas
the
next
phase
of
development
approvals
for
the
facilities
expect
to
begin
new
year
and
take
place
over
the
next
several
years.
And
there's
time
for
productive
and
meaningful
dialogue
to
take
place
to
help
shape,
shape
the
site
plan,
review,
drafting
conditions,
programming
facility
to
help
it
promote
city's
housing
and
homeless
schools
and
less
than
any
community
impact.
R
Therefore,
be
it
resolve
the
council
direct
staff
to
work
with
the
ward
council,
the
chair
of
the
planning
committee,
the
chair
of
community
protective
services
committee,
the
mayor
and
the
salvation
army
to
establish
the
site
plan,
review
and
programming
advisory
committee,
consisting
of
the
above
named
members
of
council,
relevant
city
staff
and
community
stakeholders
to
provide
input
into
the
next
phase
of
the
salvation
army.
Relocation
development
before
the
result
that
were
deemed
appropriate
by
general
manager,
planning
infrastructure
and
not
economic
development
and
consultation
with
legal
services.
R
R
I
heard
the
delegations
on
both
sides
and
what
really
struck
me
was
that
the
salvation
army,
delegations
and
staff
and
consultants
were
sitting
five
feet
away
from
the
vanier
consultants
and
and
consultants,
and
nobody
was
talking
to
each
other,
and
I
don't
say
that
in
a
judgmental
way,
both
sides
were
not
talking
to
each
other.
They
were
talking
at
each
other
through
the
chair
and
through
delegations,
but
all
the
people
were
in
the
room
that
could
have
had
a
productive
conversation
and
neither
side
was
having
it.
They
were,
they
were.
R
R
I
also
understand
that
this
is
not
something
that
we
can
impose
on
the
salvation
army.
It
has
to
be
something
that
they
agree
with,
and
I
understand
we
also
have
their
consent
to
enter
into
this
process.
Now
it
will
be
put
on
hold.
Unfortunately,
if
either
side
goes
to
the
omb,
but
I
believe
that
it
solidifies
a
role
for
the
community
that
we
heard
from
that
we're
very
impassioned,
very
engaged.
R
It
solidifies
a
role
that
if
this
is
upheld
by
the
omb,
whatever
the
decision
is,
if
it
is
to
go
forward,
then
you
have
a
role
here.
You
have
a
role
to
play
and
we're
not
going
to
let
the
salvation
army
back
out
of
acknowledging
that
role,
and
I
don't
think
that
they
would.
But
this
this
motion
solidifies
your
input,
solidifies
your
engagement
in
a
very
meaningful
way
and,
as
I
say,
I
had
a
very
good
discussion
with
your
with
your
award
counselor
this
morning
about
this
very
issue.
R
So
I
would
urge
everybody
to
seize
this
opportunity.
You
may
not
get
the
result.
You
want
at
the
end
of
the
day,
but
this
will
allow
some
bridge
building.
This
will
allow
some
discussion
going
forward
in
a
collaborative
way
to
see
how
this
can
work
in
the
best
way
possible
for
all
parties.
So
again,
I
would
urge
all
my
council
members
to
to
fall.
The
lead
suggested
by
the
ward
council
run
by
councillor
kluche
and
move
forward
with
this
motion.
Thank
you.
K
R
That's
that's
fair
comment
to
counselor
and
I
was
working
with
staff
on
a
very
short
timeline.
I
I
to
get
this
done
staffs
in
the
room
if,
if
there's
a
way
to
amend
it,
to
reflect
that
very
valid
concern
that
that's
been
raised
by
council
newspaper,
I'm
happy
to
have
a
friendly
amendment
to
the
to
the
motion
in
that
regard.
So,
okay,
my.
K
K
We
could
call
it
whatever
we
wanted
and
do
that
work
before
council
votes
on
the
application,
given
that
clearly
there
will
be
a
greater
incentive
on
this
on
the
part
of
all
parties
to
come
to
an
agreement
before
a
council
vote
as
opposed
to
after
so
would
that
be
considered
a
friendly
amendment.
Unfortunately,.
R
If
we
don't
make
a
decision
at
this
point
on
the
proposal
as
it
as
it
lays
in
front
of
us,
we
run
out
of
time,
I
think
on
december
13th
and
14th
and
the
matter
will
automatically
go
to
the
omb.
So
we
don't
have
a
hundred
days
to
play
with
in
these
circumstances.
So
just
practically,
I
don't
see
how
that
can
work.
But
again,
I
think
by
embedding
this
the
concerns
and
the
and
the
and
the
intent
in
the
motion
to
your
point
about
having
meaningful
discussion.
R
A
Think
if
I
could
just
offer
two
comments,
counseling
is
you
know
we
just
defeated
deferral,
so
that's
not.
You
can't
bring
that
back
at
the
same
meeting,
deferral
was
defeated
and
the
second
point
was
the
omb
process
kicks
in.
I
believe
december,
13th
or
14th
was
well
beyond
100
days
and
mr
o'connor
working
with
leslie
donnelly,
I
believe,
have
come
up
with
a
suggestion
to
help
deal
with
the
issue
that
counselor
news
bomb
just
brought
up.
So
mr
o'connor,
please.
J
Yes,
mr
mayor,
we
would
suggest
that
at
the
end
of
the
first
resolution,
you
add
the
words
if
approved,
which
would
then
I
think
get
you
to
where
you
want
to
go.
And
the
only
other
comment
I
would
make
mr
mayor
is
that
the
180
days
lapses.
The
council
is
absolutely
correct
on
december
13th
and
that
would
trigger
the
ability
of
the
applicant
to
go
to
the
municipal
courts,
not
automatic,
but
it
would
most
likely
be.
K
Okay
and
my
last
question
to
councillor
igle
is
just
with
regard
to
the
mandate
and
scope.
There's
specific
reference
to
site
plan
review.
I'm
wondering
whether
or
not
the
mandate
of
this
group
would
include
looking
at
options
which
may
change
the
configuration
create,
for
instance,
a
second
site
that
could
help
split
some
of
the
services.
If
that
was
what
is
desired
is
this
is?
R
It's
site
plan,
so
I
think
it
it
again.
I
look
to
staff,
but
I
think
it
has
to
deal
with
the
particular
site
in
question
that
doesn't
allow
it
to
look
at
a
site
in
canada
or
carp
or
wherever.
So
I
think
just
practically
all
it
can
do
is
look
at
this
proposal
in
the
four
corners
of
this
proposal
in
this
particular
site.
K
E
G
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
to
counselor
eagle
eye
council
clueche
for
moving
this
motion.
I
think
it
very
well
articulates
the
fact
that,
if
approved,
this
is
not
the
end
of
the
discussion-
and
I
spoke
a
little
bit
about
this
at
the
planning
committee-
this
actually
signals
that
the
discussion
is
very
much
alive
and
is
growing
so
to
to
counselor
eagles
point.
You
know
while
well.
N
Thank
you,
madam
vice
mayor.
This
is
a
very
good
process
and
I
think
the
community
would
have
liked
this
to
start
a
while
back,
but
the
point
of
it
is
that,
even
if
it's
late,
it's
better
to
have
it
than
not
have
it
at
all,
I
think
we
did
this
a
bit
with
lansdowne
park.
We
had
a
lot
of
controversy.
At
the
beginning
we
set
up
some
me
committee
meetings.
N
I
was
involved
with
the
transportation
one
that
worked
for
a
long
time
was
that's
being
implemented
to
ensure
that
the
end
result
would
not
cause
difficulties
for
the
community
and
the
changes
that
were
made
at
that
time
during
the
whole
process
before
it
actually
got
fully
implemented,
made
a
huge
difference
to
the
community.
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity.
N
You're.
All
the
community
is
all
very
involved
right
now,
and
rather
than
losing
that
involvement,
the
site
plan
is
frankly
the
most
important
thing.
In
my
mind,
that
is
most
and
more
important
than
the
zoning,
because
it
shows
what
it's
going
to
look
like,
how
it's
going
to
go
and
they
do
change
as
you
go
ahead.
N
I've
had
a
lot
of
controversial
slight
plans,
I'm
dealing
with
another
one
right
now
that
is
causing
some
problems
in
the
community.
What
you
have
to
do
is
continue
to
have
dialogue,
and
I
do
a
lot
of
dialogue
in
my
community
and
your
community
is
doing
that
right
now,
although
I
think
this
is
something
that
you
should
as
a
community
endorse
doing,
you
may
not
be
happy
with
the
way
the
final
decision
on
the
zoning
goes
today,
but
that's
not
the
end
of
the
story.
N
N
So
having
this
process
in
place
will
help
you
to
deal
with
all
doctors,
dimps
impact,
which
is
one
but
future
impacts
as
well.
So
I'm
going
to
support
this
motion.
I
think
it's
very
important
under
the
process
that
we're
having
happen
right
now.
The
zoning
is
very
hard
for
us
to
deal
with
is
a
hard
factual
kind
of
thing.
It
gives
us
a
lot
of
trouble
because
the
issues
are
not
zoning
issues.
There
are
emotional
issues,
they're
impacting
community
issues
and
that's
what
this
motion
is
addressing.
So
I
very
much
strongly
support
it.
Mr
mayor.
F
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
I
I
again
am
struggling
with
the
the
coherency
and
and
logic
of
this
discussion
in
several
places.
In
this
motion,
we
talk
about
programming
in
the
facility
in,
whereas,
as
we
talk
about
investments
in
housing,
homelessness
that
may
have
an
impact
on
programming
for
this
facility
site
plan
review
and
programming
advisory
committee
helped
shape
the
site
plan,
review,
drafting
conditions
and
programming
of
the
facility.
F
We
are
at
least
in
theory,
not
concerned
in
this
discussion
today
about
the
programming
in
this
facility.
We
are
making
a
zoning
discussion.
Why
is
this
motion
coming
forward
when
we
are
not
talking
about
programming,
we're
not
talking
about
who
this
shelter
will
serve?
We're
not
talking
about
how
it
will
serve
them?
What
is
the
necessity
of
this
motion
to
deal
with
programming?
Is
there
a
concern
that
we
think
we're
going
to
need
to
deal
with.
F
R
So
what
what
I
would
respond
to
that
council
leaper
and
I
appreciate
your
concern.
What
I
respond
to
that
is
this
motion
doesn't
go
to
the
approval
of
this
proposal,
one
way
or
another.
What
it
does
is
it
kicks
in
after
an
approval
and
and
counselor
newspam
pointed
out,
and
we've
made
that
amendment.
So
this
isn't
part
of
our
decision
making
in
terms
of
whether
we
approve
or
we
don't
approve
this
particular
proposal.
R
What
it
says
is,
if
approved
and
upheld
by
the
omb,
for
whatever
reasons
the
omp
upholds
it,
then
these
steps
will
come
forward
and
these
things
will
happen.
But
it's
it's
not
it's
not
about
the
approval,
it's
about
what
happens
if
and
when
it
does
get
approved.
So
to
me,
that's
the
distinction
and
I
think
it's
an
important
distinction.
R
F
Is
it
is
an
important
distinction?
This
is
not
part
of
the
the
bylaw
that
we're
going
to
be
crafting,
but
it's
come
up
for
a
reason,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
could
help
me
understand
why
we're
talking
about
programming
in,
in
the
larger
context
of
this
debate,
that
we're
having
today
over
whether
or
not
to
approve
the
the
bylaw
amendments.
R
Again,
I
foresee
a
situation
down
the
road
when
this
may
and
I
say,
may
may
get
upheld
by
the
omb.
If
it
does
this
community
and
the
salvation
army
have
a
whole
lot
of
talking
to
do,
they
have
a
whole
lot
of
communication
and
healing
to
do,
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
way
in
which
that
can
be
facilitated
and
you're
you're
quite
right.
Our
decision
making
process
is
about
planning
considerations
and
that's
what
we're
focused
on
today
and
that's
what
the
omb
will
focus
on
as
well.
R
I
hope
when
they
consider
whatever.
However,
we
vote
today,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
yes,
there
is
going
to
be
a
new
resident
if
you
will
in
the
community-
and
this
is
about
having
that
resident
fit
in,
as
I
said
earlier,
as
best
as
they
possibly
can,
and
I
think
that
the
community
was
very
clear
during
the
the
three
days
that
they
want
to
be.
This
have
discussion.
R
F
S
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Well,
I
actually
think
this
is
an
important
motion
and
I
I
like
this
motion
and
the
reason
I
like
this
motion
is
probably
the
same
reason:
counselor
lee
papana
doesn't
because
it
talks
about
programming
and
the
frustration
one
of
the
frustrations
that
I've
had
through
this
whole
process
is.
S
The
federal
government
and
the
provincial
government
are
laying
out
strategies
that
may
well
change
the
direction
that
we
go
into
the
future,
and
so
I
do
think
that
it's
very
important
that
there
be
programming
considerations
as
this
thing
moves
forward,
and
I
think
this
is
going
to
take
quite
a
long
time,
but
I
think
that
the
community
needs
to
be
there.
I'd
like
to
be
there
as
the
chair
of
the
community
and
protective
services
committee
to
give
some
guidance
on
where
I
think
maybe
it
would
be
best
to
go.
S
I
don't
think
regardless
of
the
decision
that's
made
today,
this
is
over.
I
think,
that's
a
process,
it's
a
journey
and
I
think
the
community
needs
to
be
part
of
that,
and
so
do
the
chairs
of
the
committees
and
the
counselors
and
the
everyone
needs
to
be
part
of
making
this
thing
work.
We
can't
leave
any
community
behind
and
so
to
the
extent
that
the
spirit
of
this
motion
is
to
try
and
help
going
forward
and
build
some
of
the
bridges
and
some
of
the
divide.
That's
happened
through
this
initial
phase
of
the
process.
S
H
E
What
the
mover
of
the
motion
brought
forward,
which
is
saying
that
you
know
there
needs
to
be
a
discussion.
I
want
to
be
clear-
and
it's
important
to
be
said-
that
my
community
since
day
one
and
right
up
to
now
and
continues
to
be
always
ready
to
meet
it's
the
applicant
that
has
not
wanted
that
hasn't,
wanted
to
amend
any
of
their
submission.
I
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
yeah.
I
want
to
echo
what
counselor
jeans
was
saying.
This
is,
I
think,
extremely
important,
and
we
are
not
talking
about
tomorrow-
we're
not
talking
about
next
week
we're
talking
about
once.
The
very
likely
appeal
is
dealt
with
at
the
ontario
municipal
board.
What
this
does
is
quite
unique
when
a
site
plan
is
before
application
comes
into
staff,
they
are
not
engaged
with
working
with
programming.
I
We
don't
know
what
they
look
like
now,
but
this
will
be
the
first
time
that
a
motion
has
been
put
forward.
That
includes,
with
the
site
plan,
consideration
the
community,
the
applicant,
the
local
counselor,
the
chair
of
community
protective
services,
etc,
working
on
programming
for
a
specific
site,
and
it's
unique
and
it's
special
and
it's
for
this
particular
location.
So
I
really
encourage
everyone
to
please
support
it.
N
A
S
S
Road
stalled
or
reversed,
with
the
construction
of
the
salvation
army
hub
and
whereas
the
city
is
continuing
to
invest
in
initiatives
and
infrastructure
to
improve
life
for
venue
residents
and
businesses,
including
the
redevelopment
of
montreal
road
and
the
establishment
of
a
community
improvement
program
for
montreal
road
to
encourage
economic
development
and
whereas
the
building
better,
revitalize
neighborhoods
initiative
is
a
term
of
council
strategic
priority.
That
uses
an
innovative,
collaborative
and
community
defined
approach
to
the
delivery
of
new
and
existing
programs
and
infrastructure
to
improve
the
health,
vibrancy
and
livability
of
priority
neighborhoods
in
ottawa.
S
S
Sponsors
group
identified
the
2018
neighborhood
and
the
bbrn
initiative
to
be
vanier
north
and
well.
Let
me
just
say
that
I
promoted
a
revitalization
strategic
priority
for
this
term
of
council
at
this
council
table.
We
started
a
couple
of
years
ago,
actually
at
the
planning
committee
next
week
we
will
bring
the
reports
from
vanier,
south
and
heatherington
the
initial
reports
to
that
planning
committee
and
having
participated
closely
in
the
bbrn
initiative.
S
So
with
that
in
mind,
I'm
just
asking
my
colleagues
to
support
that
vanier
north
be
identified
for
bbrn
in
2018,
and
this
is
not
in
any
way
councillor
flurries.
The
second
are
on
this
motion.
This
is
in
no
way
to
take
away
from
the
cip
process.
It's
really
to
be
a
sister
component
to
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
G
You,
your
worship,
just
a
question
to
staff.
When
counselor
deans
first
came
to
council,
she
wanted
us
to
focus
exclusively
on
lb
and
hetherington.
We
asked
staff
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
entire
city.
You
identified
20
neighborhoods,
you
ranked
them.
You
gave
us
your
top
three,
which
were
I'll
be
in
hetherington,
vanier
and
carlington.
G
I
Arlington's
already
been
completed
as
the
as
the
council
should
know
through
the
as
community
design
plan.
That
was
the
that
was
the
tactic
we
took.
It
was
one
of
the
three
the
community
design
plan
was
ongoing
for
with
for
carlington
and
councillor
brockington
approved,
doing
carlington
in
that
process.
Carlink
is
no
longer
on
the
list.
G
I'm
well
aware
of
the
cdb
plan,
which
is
still
ongoing,
heavily
involved
with,
but
I
just
wanted
to
to
make
sure
that
the
once
vanier
selected
carlington
is
not
part
of
the
bbrn
and
then
we'll
go
on
to
other
communities.
Is
that
still
the
plan?
But
I
I'm
certainly
interested
in
carlington,
but
we
identify
vanier
south,
then
we'll
we'll
re-look
at
the
list
after
that
council.
I
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
just
for
clarification
for
everyone.
At
this
point,
the
the
hetherington
and
carlington
and
vanier,
which
actually
councilor
nissbun,
will
tell
you
morphed
into
overbrook
through
that
process
was
a
pilot
project.
That's
coming
forward
to
planning
committee
on
tuesday,
but
as
diane
as
counselor
dean
said,
chair
dean
said,
the
work
that
was
done
was
exceptional
and
the
way
that
it
captured
the
the
heart
and
soul
of
the
communities
involved
was
very,
very
important.
We
don't
have
a
community
on
the
list.
I
I
It's
not
bumping
anything
because
there's
nothing
on
the
list,
but
because
there
is
money
that
is
going
to
be
spent
on
the
cip
for
montreal
road
in
2018,
under
the
the
leadership
of
mr
smith's
shop
at
and
and
I've
absolutely
spoken
to
him
about
this
and
understanding
through
general
manager,
janice
morrell
and
dan
shenya's,
the
general
manager
and
all
of
this
all
of
the
departments,
the
library
public
library
that
worked
on
this.
It
truly
was
a
very
good
all
city
work
that
was
accomplished
by
our
own
staff.
I
We
didn't
we
found.
We
didn't
need
the
consultant
that
we
thought
that
we'd
have
to
spend
money
on
and
we
all
benefited
from
it,
mostly
for
sure
the
people
in
hetherington
and
and
in
vanier
south,
and
I
think
that
all
the
council
sponsors
would
be
able
to
say
that
without
a
fact.
So
this
is
not
about
bumping
anything.
This
is
about
taking
the
passion
of
this
community
that
we
listen
to,
sir,
for
for
three
days
and
and
and
rather
than
waiting
for
an
omb
appeal
and
rather
than
bumping
it
out
for
two
years.
I
I
E
So,
mr
willis
we've
received
a
request
from
the
bia
well
prior
this
application
well
prior
to
this
application
from
the
salvation
army
to
consider
montreal
road
as
a
cip.
We
did
hear
it
in
the
mayor's
in
the
mayor's
budget
presentation.
I
I
want
you
just.
I
want
to
hear
from
you
on
how
this
moti,
how
this
motion
plays
in
and
if,
if
it
at
all,
it
hinders
some
of
those
efforts.
K
Mr
mayor,
I
don't
think
this
hinders
in
the
least
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
think
I
consider
it
a
dovetailing
another
methodology
for
approaching
the
community
level
planning
and
the
community
improvement
plan
and
bringing
them
together.
I
actually
think
it's
beneficial
to
advance
them
both
at
the
same
time,
and
I
think
that
will
be
of
a
benefit
both
in
terms
of
the
consultation
and
the
type
of
input
we
get
and
in
terms
of
identifying
strategic
measures.
So
we
we
support
the
approach.
G
Today,
and
you
know
they
articulated
that
very
ably
into
you
know
some
fears
and
concerns
about
what
does
this
mean
for
the
future,
but
the
conditions
today
weren't
lost?
I
don't
think
on
people
around
this
table,
and
so
you
know
with
the
upcoming
reconstruction
of
of
montreal
road.
We
believe
that
at
least
I
believe
that
we'll
be
able
to
start
addressing
some
of
the
visual
and
physical
concerns
that
people
raised.
G
The
cip,
which
is
is
a
wonderful
tool,
will
help
lift
up
businesses
in
those
communities
which
will
businesses
along
montreal
road
which
will
help
have
spin-off
effects
for
the
community
around
there.
But
the
bbrn
it
was
a
process
and
credit
to
councillor
deans
for
being
the
real
originator
of
the
bvrn
process
and
councilor
harder
for
leading
it.
This
is
about
the
people
and
the
bbrn.
I
think
positions
the
community
really
well
and
brings
the
stakeholders
together
to
have
that
discussion.
G
Dialogue,
engagement
about
lifting
up
the
area
from
a
people
perspective,
so
we
did
hear
statistics
about
how
there
are
challenges
in
vanier
with
you
know,
things
that
are
supposed
to
be
up
or
down
things
that
are
supposed
to
be
down
or
up.
The
bbrn,
I
think,
takes
the
people
approach
of
tackling
some
of
those
challenges.
The
same
way,
the
cip
will
take
the
business
approach
and
the
redevelopment
of
montreal
road
will
take
the
physical
approach.
G
A
E
E
A
E
Because
then
we
would
have
a
better,
clearer,
more
open
discussion
on
staff
are
saying
they
respect
the
shelter
cap.
They
believe
that
it's
a
relocation,
but
my
understanding
is
that
there
are
12
shelters.
If
we
look
at
the
those
descriptions
so
to
close
that
portion
of
the
unclosed
debate,
I
think
it
is
important
for
planning
staff
to
have
that
information.
D
Mr
mayor,
we
have
reviewed
the
12
locations
that
council
fleury
is
referring
to
and
those
locations
according
to
the
definition
in
the
bylaw
are
either
community
resource,
centers
group
homes,
health
and
resource
centers,
residential
care
facilities.
They
are
not
shelters.
We
have
four
shelters
in
ward,
12.
E
So,
mr
mayor,
obviously
I
don't
know,
I
don't
agree
with
staff
on
that
matter,
and
but
that
will
be
the
courts
to
decide,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
from
now
on
on
any
other
application
we
do
have.
We
do
have
restrictions
as
part
of
the
2008
report
that
we're
approved.
Can
the
planning
department
get
access
to
that
list
for
future
planning
decision
matters
only.
A
E
A
E
D
Mr
mayor,
in
the
official
plan,
shelters
are
included
under
the
generally
permitted
uses
section
that
states
where
the
zoning
bylaw
permits
a
dwelling
in
area
is
designated
general
urban
area,
developing
community
central
area,
mixed-use
center
and
village.
The
bylaw
will
also
permit
shelter,
accommodation.
E
The
my
last
question
is
so
on
average,
at
the
current
location
on
george
street,
we
have
three
calls
per
year
per
client.
I
did
the
math
from
from
last
time,
with
the
increase,
if
we
were
to
use
the
same
ratios
in
the
new
facility,
there'd
be
an
increase
in
calls
of
over
a
thousand
per
year
to
the
new
location.
E
I'd
love
to
hear
from
planning
on.
Did
we
work
with
ottawa
police
service
to
do
that,
to
unders
to
have
an
understanding
of
the
land
use
impact
at
179
george?
Were
we
aware
of
these
statistics
and
how
did
that
play
into
the
comment
on
page
17
which
states
that
the
existing
that
the
there
would
be
no
cut
that
this
proposal
would
cause
no
undue
adverse
impacts.
D
D
D
They
did
not
comment
back
with
any
concerns
related
to
the
the
subject
site
location
before
us,
and
I
would
also
advise
counselors
and
committee
that
one
of
the
permitted
use
on
this
subject
site
is
also
an
emergency
service
location.
So
there
is
a
possibility
for
even
such
a
use,
as
in
a
paramedic
station
or
a
fire
ambulance
station
on
the
subject
site
without
any
zoning
amendments.
A
H
Thank
you.
It's
a
question
to
staff
with
regards
to
the
official
plan.
Currently
we
see
that
the
shelter
use
is
not
permitted
on
the
on
the
main
street,
and
so
that's
why
the
application
here
is
before
us,
but
it
is
in
in
general
urban.
So
it
would
be,
for
example,
behind
in
the
streets
behind
in
the
middle
of
a
residential
neighborhood.
Is
that
correct
in
the
current
op.
H
Okay-
and
so
I
think,
councilor
newsmom
made
this
point
about-
you
know
us
having
the
op
wrong
and
when
we
do
review
the
op,
it
makes
sense
to
me
that
we
would
have
it
on
a
main
street
rather
than
in
the
middle
of
the
residential
community,
as
as
is
in
the
op
right
now.
So
would
is
that
something
we
would
be
looking
to
change
in
the
next
official
plan.
T
So
it's
something
that
I
think
we
can
definitely
take
a
look
at
in
terms
of
how
specific
we
get
in
terms
of
policy
direction,
whether
we're
focused
on
more
high
level,
whether
we
continue
the
same
approach
that
we
have
today
in
terms
of
broad
land
use,
designations
or
associated
policies,
or
whether
we
take
a
different
act.
But
I
think
this
item
has
clearly
identified
that
there's
a
need
to
introduce
policies
that
speak
to
issues
around
policies
related
to
sort
of
the
sector
of
the
accommodation,
affordable
housing,
so
those
things
will
definitely
be
addressed.
Okay,.
H
T
Mr
mayors,
so
when
opa
97,
which
was
the
previous
comprehensive
official
plan
before
opa
150,
was
brought
forward,
it
actually
included
main
streets
as
an
area
where
shelters
could
be
considered
appropriate
through
the
process
of
the
2008
study
that
council
fleury
has
referred
to
and
then
also
subsequent
direction.
At
that
time,
there
was
a
further
review
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
shelter
should
be
allowed
as
a
right
on
traditional
main
streets.
T
The
decision
was
taken
not
to
carry
that
forward
and
in
part
it
really
reflects
the
fact
that
traditional
mainstreams,
very
quite
significantly,
our
main
streets
generally
vary
quite
significantly
across
the
city.
In
this
particular
instance,
we
have
a
situation
where,
on
a
site-specific
basis,
it
works,
it
can
be
integrated
into
the
fabric
of
the
main
street
without
compromising
the
objectives
for
main
streets.
T
Traditional
main
streets
for
the
most
part
are
generally
shallow
in
terms
of
their
lot
depth
and
might
not
be
able
to
support
some
of
the
other
support
functions
and
needs
to
ensure
appropriate
functioning
of
that
operation.
So
I
think
the
right
answer
was
taken
at
that
time.
Shelters
generally
are
are
recognized
as
being
appropriate
in
high-intensity
mixed-use
areas.
Main
streets
are
a
mixed-use
area.
Are
there
downtown
locations
r5
zones
in
the
residential
areas?
Another
area
where
they're
permitted?
As
of
right?
T
Mr
may,
the
general
urban
area
covers
a
broad
swath
of
the
city,
and
it
includes
areas
that
have
various
zones
attached
to
them,
including
higher
density
residential
zones.
So,
in
terms
of
you
have
to
look
at
the
official
plan,
but
then
you
also
look
at
the
implementing
zoning.
The
official
plan
does
speak
to
further
limitations
being
established
through
the
zoning.
In
the
case
of
our
zoning,
bylaw
shelters
are
not
committed
as
of
right
in
the
lower
density
residential
zones.
T
H
T
It's
not
permitted
by
the
zoning.
You
still
have
to
go
through
a
rezoning.
You
just
don't
need
an
official
plan
amendment.
In
this
instance,
we
dealt
with
an
official
plan
amendment
because
it's
not
specifically
identified
as
a
designation
under
the
generally
permitted
uses
in
the
op,
in
terms
of
where
shelter
should
be
allowed,
as
it
is
in
general
urban,
but
you
would
still
need
a
rezoning.
T
T
P
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor.
I
I
believe
the
comments
I'm
going
to
make
will
probably
be
reflective
of
what
most,
if
not
all,
of
us
have
been
going
through
for
the
last
number
of
weeks.
Even
if,
in
the
end,
we
don't
all
choose
to
vote
in
the
same
way,
I've
held
off
until
today
making
a
final
decision
on
how
I'm
going
to
vote.
P
We
have
dueling
experts
on
both
sides
telling
us
about
how
a
well-built
design-built
facility
will
offer
services
of
all
kinds
that
don't
currently
exist.
That
will
be
very
helpful
to
the
people
in
need,
and
then
we've
heard
from
the
other
side
that
we
are
moving
away
from
a
model
of
of
large
shelters
and
centralized
facilities
towards
housing,
people
towards
offering
them
support
wherever
they
may
live,
and
you
know
they're
coming
in
just
today
on
both
sides,
all
of
which
well
argued,
principled
comments
and
yet
they're
on
they're
on
both
sides.
P
I've
listened
to
feedback
from
my
constituents
who,
of
course,
are
not
directly
affected,
but
try
to
understand
the
situation
both
of
the
people
who
would
benefit
from
this
facility
and
the
community
in
which
it
would
be
housed
and
does
not
feel
adequately
consulted
and
heard
up
until
this
point
in
the
ultimate
proposal
that
came
forward.
Ultimately,
I
reached
the
conclusion
that
I
need
to
vote
against
the
official
plan,
amendment
and
zoning
amendments,
and
it
really
comes
down
to
this.
The
we
are
being
forced
here
today.
P
The
the
testament
to
it
is
all
of
the
well-meaning
motions
that
we
have
just
passed
to
force
the
hand
of
the
proponent
to
do
the
things
that
should
have
been
part
of
their
proposal
in
the
first
place.
For
being
required
to
vote
on
a
technicality
where
we're
not
supposed
to
talk
about
people
and
social
socioeconomic
impact,
and
yet
we've
needed
to
pass
all
kinds
of
motions
to
make
them
do
that
or
to
ensure
that
this
is
done
to
me.
P
That's
the
kind
of
thing
that
should
have
been
part
of
the
proposal,
part
of
the
consultation
in
the
first
place.
So
if
on
a
technicality,
I'm
not
voting
the
way
or
not
voting
on.
What's
in
front
of
me,
I
will
do
it
and
anyway,
because
if,
by
doing
that,
I
can
on
one
more
occasion
remind
a
proponent
that
it
is
your
job
to
engage
with
the
ward
counselor.
P
Not
for
us
to
go
chasing
you,
because
we
want
to
know
what
you're
planning
on
doing
it
is
your
job
to
come
to
us
and
tell
us
what
you're
planning
to
do
and
we
can
save
everyone
a
whole
lot
of
grief
by
guiding
you
through
a
better
process.
We
may
not
in
the
end,
support
what
you're
doing,
but
people
will
be
heard
throughout
that
and
the
meetings
will
not
require
us
or
the
people
in
the
gallery
to
sit
through
180.
P
Whatever
the
final
count
was
presentations,
because
that
will
have
already
happened
in
some
form
or
other.
So
in
the
end,
that's
what
it
comes
down
to
for
me.
There's
advantages
that
will
accrue
to
the
people
who
will
be
served
by
this
project.
If
it
is
built
there
are
likely
to
be
negative
impacts
on
the
community.
In
my
opinion,
as
a
result,
is
it
an
even
split?
P
I
don't
know,
but
I
do
know
that
this
came
about
in
the
wrong
way
and
we
shouldn't
have
to
be
in
this
position
of
being
the
bad
guy
either
telling
people
who
most
need
services,
I'm
sorry,
but
I'm
not
offering
them
to
you
or
telling
a
community.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
ramming
this
down
your
throat,
if
that's
one
way
of
putting
it,
and
for
that
reason
I
am
going
to
have
to
vote
no
thank.
O
O
O
O
I
I
if,
if
I
go,
if,
if,
if
you
go
home
this
evening
and
you
don't
own
the
sheets
or
the
pillow,
that
you're
sleeping
on
or
the
bed
that
you're
sleeping
in
and
if
you
don't
have
a
key
to
get
in,
it's
not
it's
not
a
home,
and
it
is
easy
to
say
you
know.
Well,
we
need
shelters
until
we
build
those
homes,
but
the
fact
is,
you
know
where
I
struggled
on
this
one.
O
The
most
was
on
those
extra
hundred
beds
and
I
kept
asking
myself
and
I
tried
to
get
from
staff,
and
I
was
asking
the
wrong
question
actually
for
three
days
I
kept
asking
about:
are
they
shelters?
Are
they
are
they
funded
like
shelters?
And
I,
and
I
was
told
no,
these
are
not
shelters.
These
are
program
beds
and,
in
the
end,
that's
what's
important.
It's
those
hundred
beds,
short-term
shelters,
the
the
the
very
purpose
of
a
shelter
is
temporary
accommodation
in
emergency
situations.
O
O
O
O
Perhaps
many
of
them
out
of
the
mission
salvation
army
sheps,
who
will
be
living
here,
families,
and
when
we
announced
that
the
community
that
I
represent
was
was
thrilled.
They
were
so
happy
because
it
will
be
a
mixed
income.
Mixed
use,
diverse,
complex
community,
where
everybody
will
have
a
fighting
chance
at
the
end
of
the
day
for
their
kids
to
prosper,
for
them
to
prosper,
and
when
they
go
home
at
night,
the
housing
that
we
will
provide
for
them
will
be
theirs.
O
A
F
F
But
for
the
many
of
you
who
attended
planning
committee,
you've
heard
similarly
expert
advice
that
it
is
actually
a
responsibility
and
our
obligation
to
do
our
planning
on
the
basis
of
building
healthy
communities
for
everyone.
The
case
law
that
I've
seen
bears
this
out,
and
I
do
prefer
the
expert
advice
provided
by
the
residence
legal
counsel.
On
this
point,
we
treat
shelters
as
a
stand-alone
land
use
in
our
zoning
bylaw
and
they
are
not
permitted
on
our
traditional
main
streets.
F
My
assertion
is
that
we
make
that
distinction
on
the
basis
that
shelters
raise
complex
issues
that
have
to
be
raised
in
a
neighborhood
and
even
city-wide
basis.
I'm
voting
no
today
because
the
density
at
this
site
is
inappropriate
where
it
is
so
deeply
embedded
in
the
residential
zone
around
it.
This
isn't
what
planners
call
an
edge
condition
that
we
typically
see
on
a
traditional
main
street.
F
There
has
been
no
sufficient
case
made,
to
my
mind
that
shelter
use
is
appropriate
on
a
traditional
main
street,
and
I
know
groups
like
the
federation
of
citizens,
associations.
All
of
our
community
associations
are
walk
watching
very
closely
to
see
what
we're
going
to
do
to
preserve
the
integrity
of
our
tms.
F
The
decision
is
being
made
within
to
narrow
a
framework.
We
have
not
been
allowed
to
debate
the
various
factors
that
residents
consider
we
should
residents
can
only
come
away
from
this
debate.
Confused
we've
already
amended
this
proposed
bylaw
with
socioeconomic
considerations.
This
morning,
we've
determined
that
we
need
to
talk
about
programming
impacts
and
the
interrelationship
of
those
with
site
plan
this
morning,
but
we've
been
told
that
it
would
be
indefensible
to
vote
on
the
basis
of
how
we're
going
to
address
homelessness
and
build
a
healthy
vanier
moving
forward.
F
G
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor.
First,
I
would
reiterate
that
to
those
concerned
about
ongoing
engagement,
I'd
say
that
it's
not
the
end
of
the
discussion.
I
said
that
earlier,
but
this
process
shows
every
promise
of
having
growing
engagement
and
vibrancy
from
this
point
forward,
both
as
a
result
of
some
of
the
council
motions
passed
today
and
statements
by
the
salvation
army.
Growing
collaboration
promises
to
be
the
path
forward.
It
should
have
happened
in
the
beginning
granted
it
didn't,
but
I
believe
it'll
be
in
our
future.
G
Emergency
shelters
are
one
part
of
the
housing
continuum,
but
they're
an
important
one.
Today,
the
federal
government,
as
was
mentioned,
is
going
to
be
releasing
its
long-awaited
national
housing
strategy.
Much
of
what
we
believe
and
understand
is
going
to
be
in.
There
will
address
the
causes
of
homelessness.
G
In
some
cases,
poverty,
addictions,
mental
health
challenges
and
the
like.
The
social
determinants
of
health
are
key
factors
in
setting
trajectories
in
our
lives
and
taking
action
to
positively
influence.
These
social
determinants
is
our
collective
responsibility
in
a
community
as
governments
as
social
agencies
and
as
citizens,
notwithstanding
our
desire
to
gather
around
the
task
of
ending
homelessness
by
tackling
the
causes
of
homelessness,
we
must
always
realize
that,
as
long
as
there
are
people
there
are
going
to
be
people
who
are
homeless.
G
Some
of
these
people
will
need
access
to
an
emergency
shelter
and
we
must
respond
to
that
need
by
ensuring
that
a
shelter
exists.
Beyond
this,
we
must
ensure
that
the
shelters
are
purpose-built
positive
spaces,
where
people
move
through
the
emergency
stay
program
and
into
their
own
housing,
supported
by
programming,
if
needed
as
quickly
as
possible.
G
G
Sadly,
while
we
currently
struggle
with
an
opioid
crisis
playing
out
on
the
streets
of
ottawa
and
the
continued
pressure,
we
have
as
a
result
of
the
unexpected
influx
of
refugees
one
day
new
canadians,
we
must
realize
that
there
will
always
be
the
next
crisis.
The
next
pressure,
the
next
need,
having
adequate
flexible
spaces
to
respond
to
current
and
emerging
needs,
is
imperative
not
to
allow
a
proponent
who
wishes
to
build
such
a
facility.
To
do
so
is
naive
and
short-sighted.
G
G
R
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor.
I
think
we've
all
said
it,
and
and
but
it
bears
repeating
that
this
has
been
one
of
the
most
difficult
decisions.
That's
been
put
in
front
of
this
council
this
term
without
question,
and
I
want
to
briefly
take
an
opportunity
to
thank
the
people
that
have
made
it
possible
to
have
a
discussion
about
this,
an
open
discussion
about
this
through
last
week.
R
R
I
don't
sit
on
planning,
but
I
I
chose
to
go
to
those
meetings
and
I
was
there
for
the
for
the
bulk
of
them
and
and-
and
I
thank
both
the
salvation
army
for
meeting
with
me
and
and
and
drew
for
leading
me
on
a
site
visit
of
the
location
and
answering
lots
of
questions.
For
me.
We
had
good
dialogue
on
the
street,
though
withdrew.
If
you
remember
it
was
very
cold
that
day.
So
we
asked
our
questions
quickly
and
moved
as
quickly
as
we
could,
but
it.
R
And
you
know
to
counselor
taylor
said
some
of
what
I
wanted
to
say.
You
know
everybody
in
the
room,
understands,
acknowledges
and
and
and
has
respect
for
the
issue
that
we
do
have
a
homeless
problem
in
the
city.
I
didn't
hear
anybody
on
either
side
of
this
say
that
wasn't
the
issue,
but
I
do
agree
with
councillor
taylor
that
that
we
should
have
a
continuum
of
care
that
one
solution
doesn't
fit
all
and
this
I
think
this
does
it.
I've
always
resisted
the
the
the
term
shelter
for
this
for
this
facility.
R
Put
it
on
the
back
of
a
truck
and
drop
it
in
vanity.
That's
not
what's
happening
here.
As
far
as
I
can
tell,
and
in
making
that
decision,
I
just
want
to
point
out
making
that
decision.
I
was
particularly
struck
by
the
residents
of
vanier
who
came
out
and
spoke,
and
I
thank
you
for
doing
that
and
and
by
the
residents
of
our
city,
that
are
recipients
of
the
service
that
is
provided
by
groups
like
the
salvation
army
and
the
mission
who
talked
about
their
personal
experiences.
R
R
It's
about
the
uniqueness
of
this
location,
the
depth
of
this
location.
That
puts
it
in
a
different,
a
different
category
than
a
location,
necessarily
we've
heard
on
bank
street
or
on
preston
street.
The
depth
of
the
current
site
provides
opportunity
to
do
something
different
there
and
provides
a
a
site
that
isn't
what
you
would
normally
see
along
one
of
our
our
main
streets.
At
the
same
time,
it
does
respond
to
the
considerations
that
we
do
look
at
to
determine
whether
a
shelter
should
go.
R
Situation,
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
as
much
as
I
tried
to
I,
I
couldn't
get
away
from
the
fact
that
I
felt
there
was
an
element
of
people,
zoning
going
on-
I'm
not
saying
intentionally,
but
it
was
there
and
we
received
a
letter
overnight
from
ursula
melons
and
I
just
want
to
quote
from
it.
The
bottom
line
is
that
people
do
not
have
the
right
to
choose
their
neighbors
and
that
comes
directly
from
the
human
rights
commission
and
that's
we
can't
choose
our
neighbors,
but
we
can
work
with
them.
R
K
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
because
I
sit
on
planning
committee.
I've
had
extensive
opportunities
to
speak
to
different
elements
of
this
file,
and
I
listened
carefully
to
my
colleagues
and
was
particularly
taken
with
the
comments
both
by
councillor
mckenney
and
councillor
leeper,
who,
I
think,
have
really
encapsulated
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
my
views
on
this
complex
issue.
K
K
The
first
is
that
this
is
a
relocation
of
an
existing
shelter,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
that
is
not
a
planning
argument.
That
is
a
piece
of
context.
Perhaps
perhaps
it
speaks
to
the
staff's
arguments
around
the
2012
report
or
the
2008
report,
but
it
does
not
justify
amending
our
official
plan
or
amending
the
comprehensive
zoning
violence.
K
The
third
argument
that
staff
provide
in
the
report
is
the
subject.
Development
does
not
preclude
the
ability
for
montreal
road
to
develop
in
a
manner
that
meets
the
intention
of
the
traditional
main
street
designation
and
that's
absolutely
a
statement
that
one
can
make.
The
problem
is
it's
a
statement
that
requires
evidence
to
support
it
and
and
nowhere
in
the
somewhere
around
80
pages
of
staff
report
and
comment
and
answer
to
residents
questions.
K
Did
I
see
any
consideration
any
data
on
why
it
was
looking
at
the
economic
elements,
the
commercial
elements
which
are
really
at
the
heart
of
the
official
plan.
The
official
plan
and
the
comprehensive
zoning
bylaw
speak
of
the
fact
that
our
traditional
main
streets
are
to
be
the
commercial
heart
of
our
neighborhoods,
and
there
was
no
evidence
provided
to
support
the
statement.
K
I
would
have
been
open
to
hearing
that
evidence
had
been
offered,
but
it
wasn't,
and
so
we're
left
with
three
reasons
to
amend
our
official
plan
and
our
comprehensive
zoning
bylaw
which
in
my
mind,
are
unconvincing
and
if
that's,
what
we're
being
asked
to
vote
on
this
afternoon
now,
notwithstanding
the
very
valid
and
important
social
service
elements
that
others
have
raised.
But
if
that's
what
we're
being
asked
to
vote
on,
I
don't
think
there's
any
other
conclusion
that
we
must
defend
the
official
plan.
K
We
must
defend
our
comprehensive
zoning
by
law
and
we
must
be
willing
to
consider
a
legitimate
application
to
amend
those
when
there
is
evidence
that
there
is
no
undue
adverse
impact
and
because
there
is
no
evidence
provided
that,
and
we
know
that
the
burden
of
proof
is
really
on
the
applicant
and
on
those
who
want
to
change
our
master
planning
documents
to
demonstrate
that,
and
that
has
not
been
done
in
this
case.
I
really
see
no
other
choice
in
this
case,
but
to
vote
no
on
this
application.
Thank
you.
E
S
S
This
actually
has
sickened
me
this
whole
debate,
because
what
we
have
is
an
organization
doing
good
work
in
the
community
for
our
most
vulnerable
citizens
that
come
forward,
and
yet
there
has
been
no
compromise
along
the
way.
There
is
a
community
that
feels
that
this
will
have
an
adverse
impact
on
them
that
feels
that
this
does
not
fit
with
the
spirit
of
our
official
plan
and
interesting.
You
know
they
make
some
good
arguments.
S
Councillor
nismo
made
some
great
planning
arguments
that
would
lead
to
that,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
when
you're
trying
to
help
your
most
vulnerable
citizens,
I
think
we
do
need
shelter.
I'm
not
convinced.
We
need
all
of
the
beds
that
are
being
and
I'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
in
a
minute,
but
I
do
think
we
need
a
shelter,
but
this
to
me
has
been
a
complete
failure
process.
There
are
no
winners
today,
there
are
no
winners.
The
salvation
army
may
win
this
vote,
but
have
they
won
the
community
anytime?
S
You
divide
a
community.
The
way
this
community
divided
is
divided.
This
is
not
a
win.
This
is
not
a
win
for
any
of
us.
This
is
not
a
win
for
the
community,
it's
not
a
win
for
the
salvation
army
and
I
think
we
could
do
better
and
that's
why
I've
said
to
everyone
to
the
community
to
the
salvation
army.
To
my
council
colleagues
to
everyone,
why
are
we
here?
S
Why
are
we
here
today
debating
dividing
our
community
when
we
all
want
to
help
our
most
vulnerable
citizens
and
we
need
to
help
them
when
we
need
to
find
a
way
to
do
that
in
a
positive
way?
Not
this
way.
This
is
not
it.
Should
we
be
allowing
the
ontario
municipal
board
to
make
a
decision
so
important
in
this
community?
No,
we
should
do
it,
and
this
is
a
failure
of
leadership.
We
have
failed.
S
We
have
failed
this
community,
but
being
here
today
having
this
debate
and
dividing
this
community,
and
I
believe
we
can
do
better
than
we
are
doing
by
forcing
this
vote
today
and
that's
why
I
actually
really
liked
counselor
news
bombs
motion
to
have
the
city
manager
lead
some
sort
of
group
to
try
and
find
a
middle
ground.
There
has
been
no
compromise
here,
there's
been
none
and
that's
not
good
enough.
S
You
know
when
bob
cirelli
was
the
mayor
of
the
city,
he
used
to
say
if
we
all
get
in
the
same
boat
and
we
roll
in
the
same
direction,
we
can
get
it
done,
but
we're
not
in
the
same
boat,
we're
not
rowing
in
the
same
direction
and
we're
not
getting
it
done.
We're
dividing
a
community-
and
I
just
think
that's
terrible.
So
I'm
not
happy
about
it.
I'm
not
happy
at
all
how
this
is
gone
in
terms
of
the
issues
around
the
use.
E
I
want
to
particularly
thank
the
lowertown
community
for
the
maturity
and
coming
forward
in
opposing
the
proposal
to
not
replicate
the
issues
that
exist
today
in
the
byron
market.
The
reason
we
are
here
is
because
a
shelter
is
not
permitted
use
on
this
proposed
location.
It
is
not
a
permitted
use
on
the
main
street,
and
that
is
clear
in
our
official
plan,
nor
was
it
ever
considered
in
the
secondary
plan
for
montreal
road
approved
in
2014.
E
It
is
a
tragedy
that
this
application
came
down
to
a
vote
of
land
use
grounds
on
land
use,
planning
grounds.
We
expect
more
from
an
organization
that
is
in
existence
to
help
our
most
vulnerable
members
funded
by
government
and
public
donors.
The
applicant
the
applicant
could
have
chosen
sites
that
have
that
had
the
permitted
shelter
use
which
are
which
there
are
many
locations
in
our
city.
We
then
would
have
not
find
ourselves
in
this
position.
H
E
2016
spent
4.6
million
more
to
support
shelters
than
what
we
had
planned.
This
model
is
draining
our
resources
and
minimizing
the
shift
to
invest
in
a
lasting
solution
housing
as
a
government.
I
think
it
is
important
to
hope
to
be
open
and
transparent
and
to
be
clear
on
where
gaps
are,
although
we
have
housed
350,
chronically
homeless
individuals
and
six
supportive
housing
projects
that
are
truly
decentralized
across
the
city,
the
reality
is
that
more
investment
and
supportive
housing
are
needed
to
see
a
reduction
in
shelter
use
when
council
approved
the
10-year
housing
and
homelessness
plan.
E
Let
me,
let
me
remind
us
all
of
that
implication:
a
closure
of
shelters
to
invest
in
specialized
housing
projects
like
those
presented
by
the
mission
and
ships
who
are
decentralizing
their
services,
the
oaks
on
maryvale
hope
living
in
canada,
life
house
in
centertown.
The
decentralization
is
towards
new
models.
The
closure
of
shelters
was
planned
to
be
by
attrition
towards
new
decentralized
services.
H
E
The
proposal
at
333
montreal
road
offers
exactly
that
temporary
accommodations
as
it
does
not
offer
a
home
to
individuals
who
would
stay
in
any
of
the
350
beds
to
use
the
temporary
nature,
therefore,
cannot
be
under
that
category.
Staff
agreed
with
the
important
components
from
the
2008
report.
Specifically,
staff
have
agreed
that
there
is
a
shelter
cap
of
four
shelters
in
ward
12
and
also
the
separation
distances
needed
between
shelters,
page
nine
of
the
planning
report.
However,
what
they
refuse
to
acknowledge
is
that
there
are
12
shelters
currently
in
operations
in
ward
12..
E
There
are
two
motels
with
city
agreements
for
family
shelters
along
montreal
road,
and
there
are
six
shelters
for
women
fleeing
situation
of
violence.
Not
a
single
delegation
spoke
in
favor
of
the
project.
Could
explain
why
the
thought
why
they
thought
the
location
on
a
traditional
main
street
was
the
best
approach.
Yes,
they
were
differing
opinions
on
the
model
which
we
were
told
was
outside
of
the
consideration
of
planning
committee.
However,
nothing
was
presented
that
would
justify
putting
350
shelter
beds
on
a
main
street.
E
Of
our
communities,
vania
has
worked
hard
to
remove
the
stigma
of
chromatic
criminality
that
it's
haunted.
It's
since
90s
the
diversity
is
improving,
but
it
is
far
from
being
on
solid
ground
much
attention
and
efforts
are
needed
and-
and
it
begins
with
important
attention
to
montreal
road.
My
community
is
not
afraid
of
welcoming
social
services,
social
services
providers.
We
have
many,
including
one
of
the
eight
supportive
housing
model
recently
built
by
the
john
howard
society.
To
no
opposition.
Might
I
add
those
were
42
men's
who
came
42
men,
who
came
from
shepherds
of
good
hope.
E
E
It
simply
brings
the
salvation
army
proposal
to
a
halt
so
that
options
in
terms
of
location
approach
can
be
considered.
My
door
always
has
always
been
open,
and
my
sleeves
are
all
to
work
with
the
salvation
army
work
with
the
city
work
with
the
community
and
work
with
you
to
bring
forward
a
solution
supported
by
all
the
status
quo
is
a
short-term
option.
While
we
work
through
the
collaboration
with
the
salvation
army
on
how
to
best
invest
50
million
dollars.
E
A
H
A
Work
we
are
embarking
on
in
this
community,
including
through
the
redevelopment
and
reconstruction
of
montreal
road
and
the
upcoming
community
improvement
plant,
and
my
thanks
to
councillor
fleury
for
his
work
in
advocating
for
the
cip
and
the
funds
to
redevelop
montreal
road
and
it's
equally
clear
that
the
status
quo
on
george
street
for
these
vulnerable
citizens
is
not
acceptable.
The
status
quo.
A
I
do
support
housing
first
and
as
a
former
minister
of
housing
for
the
province,
I've
been
working
with
staff
at
both
the
provincial
federal
and
local
levels,
towards
the
goal
of
reducing
our
reliance
on
shelters
over
the
long
term.
So,
like
many
of
you,
I'm
saddened
to
see
that
we
still
need
emergency
shelters
in
the
21st
century,
but
this
proposal
moves
our
city
in
the
right
direction,
as
it
contains
a
reduction
of
shoulder
spaces
and
at
the
same
time
it
creates
a
number
of
supportive
housing
beds.
A
A
Inner
city,
health
and
dr
jeff
turnbull
from
the
ottawa
hospital
quote,
the
current
bed
capacity
simply
does
not
come
close
to
meeting
the
needs
and
the
provision
of
intensive
treatment
and
care
is
essential
to
helping
some
men
exit
homelessness.
End
quote:
you've
heard
from
the
former
chief
of
staff,
dr
turnbull,
that
he
believes
in
this
model
and
the
need
for
a
continuum
of
care
to
meet
residents
where
they
are
in
their
journey.
Dr
turnbull
was
very
clear.
Having
many
services
under
one
roof
is
better
for
clients.
H
A
All
know
that
it's
harder
to
get
the
services
or
the
more
distance
between
services,
the
less
likely
vulnerable
residents,
are
to
access.
These
much
needed
supports
to
help
turn
their
lives
around
or,
in
fact
to
save
their
lives.
That
being
said,
we
must
be
clear
that
before
council
today
is
a
planning
application
that
must
be
addressed
on
sound
planning
principles
to
use
to
use
of
the
land.
The
dossier
devon,
new
orleans,
the.
A
Is
before
us,
85
of
the
site
currently
meets
the
zoning
definition
of
a
residential
care
facility
and
does
not
require
council
approval.
Many
delegations
have
raised
the
question
of
whether
this
location
is
the
best
location
for
this
facility
or
whether
there
are
other
sites
that
are
more
appropriate
respectfully.
That
is
not
the
question
that
is
before
council
every
organization,
for-profit
or
not-for-profit.
Has
the
legal
right
to
ask
the
city
for
a
zoning
change.
A
A
City
social
service
agencies
and
councillor
fleury
mentioned
a
number
located
in
all
parts
of
the
city,
and
we
have
not
micromanaged
their
site
selection
process
through
the
planning
approval
process
agencies
such
as
cornerstone
housing
for
women
in
somerset,
ward,
the
oak
center
in
riverward
and
the
shepherds
of
good
hope
in
canada.
South
the
committee's
decision
on
this
matter
must
be
based
entirely
on
planning
principles
and
not
on
considerations
about
social
housing
policy,
the
efficacy
of
shelters
or
how
this
facility
might
be
funded
in
the
future
said.
This
is
decision.
A
A
These
have
all
they
have
also
excuse
me
agreed
to
form
an
advisory
committee
on
site
plan
and
program
issues
as
this
application
progresses
through
the
next
phase
of
development,
and,
I
believe,
most
members
of
council,
if
not
all
supported
that
emotion.
Earlier
today,
they've
also
agreed
to
introduce
an
ambassador
program
to
help
build
strong
relationships
with
the
surrounding
community.
A
A
It's
also
a
significant
improvement
over
the
motel,
which
currently
sits
there
and
already
provides
14
rooms
to
residents
as
overflow,
shelter
capacity.
I
feel
that
the
co-location
of
supports
on
site
will
mitigate
the
land,
use
and
traffic
impacts
on
the
community.
The
focus
will
be
and
continues
to
be,
finding
permanent
housing
for
clients,
rather
than
merely
an
emergency
overnight.
Bed
notre
focus.
A
Feelings
of
fear-
and
I
again
I'd
like
to
quote
wendy
muckle
from
inner
city
health-
quote:
I've
often
been
afraid
for
the
men
that
we
serve,
but
I've
never
been
afraid
of
them.
End
quote:
I
encourage
the
community
to
engage
in
the
site
plan
process
to
help
ensure
their
feedback
can
be
integrated
into
the
final
design.
A
A
I
also
do
not
support
the
status
quo
option
of
delaying
our
responsibility
as
members
of
council
to
make
a
decision
on
the
application
to
some
date
far
in
the
future
100
days
or
so
on
december
13th
2017.
If
council
does
not
make
a
decision,
the
applicant
has
the
automatic
right
of
appeal
under
ontario
law
to
go
directly
to
the
omb
to
defer
our
decision
on
this
item
would
be
evading
our
responsibility.
A
A
We
have,
we
must
consider
this
application
on
planning
principles
and
in
relation
to
our
planning
policy
and
government
ontario
law.
We
heard
lots
about
property
values
and
stores
thinking
of
leaving
if
this
proposal
goes
through,
while
I
emphasize
the
with
or
empathize
with
these
concerns,
they're
not
valid
land
use
planning
considerations.
A
A
A
Years
in
the
1990s
I
volunteered
at
the
soup
kitchen
at
the
shepherds
of
good
hope,
every
tuesday,
I
would
see
what
appeared
to
be
an
endless
line
of
men,
women
and
children
coming
in
for
a
warm
meal
in
the
shadow
of
our
peace
tower
in
a
prosperous
city
like
ours,
I
often
thought
to
myself
what
was
worse,
a
person
starting
their
life
in
a
soup
kitchen
as
a
child
with
parents
or
coming
to
one
near
the
end
of
one's
life.
I
realized
that
neither
was
acceptable
in
a
society
like
ours.
A
A
Please
know
that
with
the
vote
today,
the
discussion
does
not
stop.
We
will
continue
the
important
dialogue
at
the
committee
protective
and
services
committee
in
the
new
year,
and
I
hope
that
you
stay
involved
in
the
policy
funding
and
social
service
issues
that,
by
working
together,
we
can
find
housing
options
that
work
for
all
residents
cecine.
A
H
C
G
E
J
N
C
C
J
P
B
K
K
J
A
A
A
A
A
K
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
yeah,
just
some
questions
on
the
staff
report
and
for
reference.
I'm
looking
at
page
21
of
the
staff
report
under
principle.
2
city
taxpayers
must
be
protected
as
part
of
any
agreement
in
principle,
which
is
a
principle
that
I
completely
agree
with,
and
I
just
wanted
for
clarification
to
ask
a
few
questions
of
of
staff.
L
L
It
is
a
form
of
a
form
of
financial
aid,
but
it
has
can
only
be
given
under
very
limited
circumstances.
So
we're
not
aware
of
what
the
circumstances
would
be
at
this
time.
So
it
was
just
identified,
but,
as
you
know,
we're
not
allowed
to
provide
loans
to
commercial
organizations,
we're
only
basically
in
the
business
of
providing
financial
support
for
municipal.
K
Okay,
thank
you.
The
final
sentence
in
this
section
again
is
one
that
I
think,
is
the
right
one.
It
says
it
is
further
understood
that
any
obligation
or
potential
liability
that
the
city
might
agree
to
take
on
would
need
to
be
secured
by
assets
or
a
mechanism
to
recover
the
cost
from
the
benefiting
area.
L
L
K
L
Right
now
you
actually
have
the
ability
to
exempt
development
charges,
but
what
that
actually
means
is,
then
you
pay
for
it.
So
the
city
when
we
exempt
anybody
from
paying
development
charges,
we
make
up
the
difference.
So
there
is
no
liability
there
in
that
respect,
because
the
city
has
to
step
in
and
make
up
the
difference.
K
L
K
C
O
As
the
city
councilor,
whose
award
lebreton
flats
falls
into
I've,
had
discussions
with
actually
met
on
site
with
the
local
member
of
parliament
who's.
Also,
the
environment
minister
and
I've
also
put
out
a
letter
to
to
the
to
the
minister
and
that
had
some
discussions
about.
You
know
some
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
we
see
as
we're
moving
forward
on
the
bretton
flats.
O
L
Counselor,
let
me
provide
you
with
some
comfort
around
that,
because,
right
now,
if
you
provide
any
exemption
for
that
for
the
development
there,
the
city
has
to
step
in
and
make
up
those
development
charges,
which
means
the
program
of
growth
that
is
supported
by
development
charges
is
not
diminished
as
a
result
of
that
exemption.
What
you're
doing
is
you're
substituting
development
charges
with
taxpayer
dollars,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
still
are
raising
the
same
amount
of
development
charges
that
supports
your
growth
program.
L
An
area
for
planning
and
all
the
infrastructure
has
to
be
built
with
it.
We
don't
allow
a
subdivision
to
come
up
and
not
have
roads
and
not
have
sewers
and
not
have
water
and
not
have
storm
water.
All
of
those
things
go
with
it.
So
the
fact
that
you
would
exempt
it
does
not
actually
delay
any
of
the
growth
program
that
is
supported
by
development
charges.
O
And
then
on
on
the
principle
of
the
borrowing
authority-
and
I
understand
that
we're
not
necessarily
going
to
be
offering
boring
authority
to
you
know
for
for
better
interest
rates.
But
if
we
do
is
there
some
way
that
we
could
ensure
that,
at
the
very
least,
we're
doing
green
bonds?
Again,
this
is
an
area
of
the
city
where
we
should
be
showing
that
we
want
to
build
the
most
sustainable
and
environmentally
sustainable
community
in
the
city.
L
So,
depending
on
what
the
borrowing
is
for
will
determine
whether
in
fact
you
can
use
a
green
bond
or
not
if
it
is
for
investment
in
light
rail
or
for
state-of-the-art
storm
water
facilities,
those
are
all
things
that
would
qualify
for
most
likely
for
a
green
bond.
But
if
we're
using
it
to
build
roads
chances
are
it
won't
qualify.
O
L
We
don't
counselor.
This
is
just
a
broad
brush
report,
sort
of
looking
at
all
of
the
things
that
could
potentially
be
available.
We
don't
know
what
they're
going
to
be
asking
for
at
this
point
in
time,
but
we
don't
want
to
have
to
come
back
to
you
if
something
gets
raised
that
we
haven't
put
in
the
report
and
don't
have
any
direction
on
so
there
will
be
full
reporting
once
the
the
negotiations
have
started
and
we-
and
we
come
to
a
point
where
we
think
we
may
have
a
a
deal.
L
F
L
At
this
point
in
time,
I
haven't
figured
out
a
way
to
do
that
right
now
you
have
built
into
your
budget
an
allocation
of
six
million
dollars
a
year,
which
is
what
you
typically
provide
for
exemptions
in
a
year.
So
if
you
were
to
do
more
exemptions,
but
you
wanted
them
recovered,
I'm
I'd
be
hard-pressed
to
find
a
way
that
you
would
recover
it
other
than
through
incremental
taxes,
which,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
is
the
same
thing
as
having
it
in
your
budget.
So.
F
L
We
would
have
to
do
an
analysis
of
the
value
of
what
they're
asking
for
and
the
benefit
to
the
city
and
the
trade-offs
it
at
this
point
in
time.
I
can't
tell
you
whether
we
would
say
this
is
a
good
deal
or
it's
not
a
good
deal.
It's
all
part
of
a
package
of
things,
and
I
could
I
can't
commit
to
you
that
we
would
we
would
be
in
favor
of
it.
We
would
need
to
look
at
the
impact
overall.
F
F
Okay,
so
it
sounds.
Forgive
me,
it
sounds
a
little
bit
cagey.
I'm
not
sure
why,
when
we're
talking
about
our
preferred
approach
on
brownfields
our
preferred
approach
on
borrowing
authorities,
we
would
very
specifically
said
at
the
beginning
that
we'd
only
contemplate
those
on
a
cost
recovery
basis,
but
we're
not
willing
to
do
so
on
a
dc
bylaw.
That
sounds
a
lot
to
me
like
we're,
making
sure
that
the
door
is
open
to
extend
dc
exemptions
to
them.
Sorry,
mr
wilson,
you
you
wanted
to
jump.
Mr.
H
Mayor
the
it's
not
cagey
at
all,
it's
actually.
You
need
to
look
at
all
the
components
of
the
deal.
It's
a
very
complex
deal.
It's
been
compared
to
lansdowne.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
more
complex
than
lansdowne.
There
are
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
and
there'll
be
a
lot
of
requests
and
there's
a
lot
of
issues
financially,
and
otherwise
it
has
to
be
dealt
with
and
as
the
gm
of
corporate
service.
H
Our
treasurer
just
said,
the
whole
thing
has
to
be
looked
at
in
its
entirety
when
they
bring
us
a
proposal
to
see
what
is
the
best
deal
for
the
city
keeping
within
these
principles.
So
we
have
a
principle
on
number
two
which
effectively
says
the
city:
taxpayers
must
be
protected
as
part
of
any
agreement.
H
There
might
be
some
parts
of
it
that
we're
giving
and
some
that
we're
taking,
but
ultimately
protecting
the
taxpayers.
So
to
answer
the
question
about
a
specific
component
right
now
is
actually
impossible
until
we
see
what
exactly
they're
going
to
come
with
in
terms
of
putting
together
what
works
for
them
in
terms
of
their
financial
proposal
to
make
sense
from
business
case
and
then
we'll
respond.
Based
on
what
works
for
our
taxpayers
to
keep
to
this
principle
and
ensure
we
can
bring
something
back
to
council
that
we
believe
council
will
accept.
F
H
I'm,
mr
I'm
sorry,
but
I
have
I
have
to
disagree
with
that.
It's
not
inconsistent.
We
have
principles
here
that
we
can
live
within.
We
can
negotiate
with.
It
gives
us
enough
room
to
bring
a
proposal
and,
as
we
said,
we
won't
be
making
any
final
agreement.
It
has
to
come
back
to
council
for
approval
and
to
me
no
door
is
open
here
to
give
give
away
the
farm,
let's
see
what
they
bring
back
and
we
have
a
duty
to
protect
our
taxpayers,
so
we're
committed
to
that.
F
It's
going
to
transform
those
neighborhoods
now
I
absolutely
understand
that
no
one
particular
counselor
should
be
at
the
table
with
a
veto
with
any
further
influence
than
others,
but
in
the
wake
of,
let's
call
it
some
offline
discussion
on
this
point
recently,
it
looks
to
me,
like
the
local
ward.
Councillor
is
deliberately
being
kept
out
of
the
loop.
I'm
looking
for
some
assurance
here
that
there
will
be
a
flow
of
information
to
the
local
ward
councillor
on
issues
of
concern
to
the
ward.
H
K
Under
the
governance,
the
planning
committee
so
they'll
become
a
point
at
which
this
will
transition
from
a
council-wide
decision
related
to
a
broader
deal
to
a
land
use
planning,
applications
and
the
like,
and
that
would
then
trigger
us
back
to
our
usual
processes
where
there's
a
considerable
amount
of
involvement
with
the
counselors
and
as
the
city
manager
committed.
I've
also
committed
to
council,
mckinney
and
I'll
commit
to
you
as
well.
If
there's
meaningful
information
on
those
things
as
we
go
through
the
earlier
stage,
I
will
make
sure
you're
briefed.
N
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
action.
It's
mayor.
I
have
questions
for
you,
mr
okay,
go
ahead.
I
heard
you
say
in
the
past
that
you
are
not
in
favor
of
paying
for
the
brownfields
on
this
site
that
the
ntc,
since
they
own
the
land,
should
be
selling
it
clean,
as
we
would
do
with
our
own
lands.
Have
you
made
any
progress
on
that.
N
N
N
N
We
wouldn't
be
buying
it
that
they
would
pay
for
the
construction
of
new
roads
within
the
development,
as
other
developers
have
to
and
sewers
et
cetera,
except
for
the
oversizing,
which
we
have
obviously
a
policy
on
that
type
of
thing
and
that
development
charge
that
we
use
for
paying
for
those
things
like
oversizing,
etc,
as
we
do
in
the
other
parts
of
the
city.
With
this
new
development.
This
basically
is
almost
like
a
green
field
development
just
because
the
the
land
is
completely
open
and
cleared
up.
N
It's
not
as
if
it's
a
redevelopment
in
the
normal
sense
between
two
different
buildings
or
anything
I
just
want
to.
I
know
you're
going
to
have
some
a
lot
of
discussions
on
this,
and
I
completely
support
the
report
and
going
forward
in
that
way.
But
I
just
want
to
know
that
you
and
the
staff
will
be
doing
everything
possible
to
make
sure
that
they
follow
the
same
rules.
N
A
A
So
I
I
think
you
can
appreciate
the
fact
that
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate.
We
start
the
negotiations
here,
showing
our
hand,
if
you
will,
because
I
think
it's
important-
that
we
have
a
an
initial
sit-down
meeting
with
the
proponent
to
determine
what
they're
looking
for
and
to.
Let
them
know
what
we're
prepared
to
do
to
protect
taxpayers
and,
at
the
same
time,
revitalize.
N
That
I
recognize
they're
going
to
be
doing
things,
but
I
think
the
principles
that
it
is
a
new
development
and
it
shouldn't
matter
where,
in
the
city
a
new
development
is
going,
the
rules
should
be
roughly
the
same.
There
may
be
occasionally
a
few
special
things
that
come
up,
but
it's
even
in
the
case
of
lansdowne.
I
know
that
we
have
forgotten
a
lot
of
tax
revenue
to
get
that
development
in
place.
N
A
Yeah
this,
this
is
a
you
know:
it's
not
a
a
couple
of
months
process.
This
is
sort
of
a
year
and
a
half
there's
a
lot
to
deal
with,
and
we
have
to
first
and
foremost,
have
the
ncc
and
rendezvous
lebreton
reach
some
kind
of
agreement,
there's
no
sense
in
us
starting
to
negotiate
until
they
have
an
agreement
in
principle
with
respect
to
the
land,
and
then
the
ball
falls
in
our
court
to
start
working
on
it.
H
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
for
the
update
that
you
just
provided
to
counselor
wilkinson.
My
concern
and
mr
bear
is,
and
has
been
that
through
this
whole
process.
I
I
agree
with
you.
This
is
a
lot
different
than
last
now
park
because
there's
another
piece
to
this
process,
the
other
piece
being
in
the
west
end
as
to
what
happens
over
in
the
west
end
once
they
move,
I
mean
up
until
now.
We've
been
talking
about
what
happens,
what
happens
at
lebron
flats
when
they
move
out
to
liberating
flats.
A
Yes,
I
think
thank
you
counselor
for
that,
and
I
I
certainly
give
credit
to
you
and
your
colleagues
councillors,
elsian
terry
wilkinson
and
hubley,
because
that
is
a
big
economic
generator
in
the
west
end
and
we
certainly
have
raised
it.
At
least
I've
raised
it
on
two
occasions
with
eugene
melnick
and
with
the
senators
group
and
rendezvous
lebreton,
because
while
it's
not
part
of
the
lebraton
proposal,
it
has
direct
implications
if
the
arena
moves
downtown.
A
H
Thank
you
again,
mr
mayor,
for
that,
and
you
know,
I
agree
with
you
that
it's
good
to
have
it
in
the
discussion.
But
for
me
the
comment
that
you
just
made
about
it
not
being
part
of
the
le
breton
discussion.
I
think
the
whole
piece
is
one
piece
you
can't
separate.
The
two
le
breton
is
a
different
discussion
versus
the
west
end
to
me
is
another
discussion
that
should
be
part
of
that
process.
A
Yeah-
and
you
know
from
a
broad
perspective,
I
agree,
but
the
the
information
before
us
or
the
recommendation
before
us
that
the
ncc
have
asked
us
to
engage
in
is
really
only
the
lebreton
rendezvous
agreement
but
I've.
As
I
said,
I've
raised
on
two
occasions
with
mr
melnick
and
the
senator's
group
at
your
behest,
the
fact
that
we've
got
to
come
up
with
a
a
solution
for
what
will
be
a
big
economic
loss
for
the
west
end.
A
So
I
certainly
you
know,
won't
be
the
formal
negotiations,
but
it
will
be
in
essence,
an
ancillary
item
that
we
have
to
continue
to
pursue
because
that
you
know
that
is
an
important
part
of
the
economy
and
job
creation
in
the
west
end.
So
you
know
I
you
know.
I
hear
you
loud
and
clear.
You've
been
very
persistent
with
me
and
keep
prodding
me,
but
I
want
to
find
a
solution
for
that
as
well.
D
H
C
P
B
F
A
A
F
F
F
F
I'm
looking
in
key
theme,
three
at
a
number
of
sort
of
pre-packaged
products,
we're
going
to
take
the
data
and
we're
going
to
create
interfaces
for
it
that
citizens
will
then
be
able
to
use
which
is
interesting.
But
it's
not
a
smart
city.
A
smart
city
puts
that
data
in
the
hands
of
residents
in
as
raw
a
form
as
possible
machine
readable
data
with
they
can
manipulate
themselves
when
it
comes
to
open
data.
L
With
the
introduction
of
again,
another
number
of
data
sets
but
they're
moving
beyond
just
the
data
sets
to
look
at
what
do
we
need
to
do
into
the
broader
organization,
from
both
the
policy
capability
and
tool
perspective
as
well,
because
we've
got
some
work
to
do
in
terms
of
just
even
the
development
of
our
data
that
goes
beyond
just
back
into
our
back-end
systems
into
the
systems
that
create
and
capture
the
data.
I'm
gonna
pass
it
to
our
director
of
service
transformation.
G
C
M
M
F
And
it's
I'm
interested
in
hearing
more
on
the
policy
side.
It
strikes
me
as
counselors
that
we
are
too
often
having
to
go
to
mr
o'connor
to
say
there
is
information
that
residents
want
and
when
we
seek
it,
we
are
being
told
no
by
staff,
because
I
think
bureau
bureaucrats
and
I
was
one
and
I
know
exactly
how
how
they
feel
tend
to
want
to
control
information.
They
tend
to
worry
about
the
ramifications
of
having
information
get
out
into
the
wild.
F
L
Mr
mayor,
the
policy
you're
right
counselor
will
be
one
piece
and
we'll
be
looking
at
that
policy,
and
also
the
release
plans
that
we
will
be
developing
in
terms
of
the
data
sets
that
we're
going
to
release
out
into
the
community.
So
we
plan
to
do
that
on
a
progressive
matter
where
we're
looking
at
what
does
the
community
want
and
being
responsive
in
terms
of?
How
do
we
enable
that,
in
the
departments
to
move
forward
as
part
of
the
entire
digital
strategy,
we
are
looking
at?
L
F
K
Yes,
mr
mayor,
I
mean
it's
interesting.
We
had
a
discussion
with
our
long-named
right-of-way
heritage
and
urban
design
group
the
other
day,
but
what's
the
role
of
a
right-of-way
in
the
city
and
that's
the
land
in
between,
what's
privately
owned
on
either
side
of
the
road
and
occupies,
and
we
now
believe
that
our
new
philosophy
is
in
the
right-of-way.
It
represents
the
space
used
for
traditional
utility
water
sewer,
storm
water.
It's
used
for
mobility,
which
we
now
view
as
multi-modal.
K
K
How
we
understand
the
right
of
way
to
function
and
part
of
the
strategy
involves
ensuring
that
we're
getting
out
of
the
way
where
we
can
to
ensure
that
we
enable
it
as
long
as
there
are
no
conflicts
between
the
other
purposes
of
the
right-of-way
and
also
as
a
department.
We're
going
to
be
measuring
the
level
of
rollout
availability
of
broad
brand
across
the
city,
and
one
of
the
proposals
in
the
new
years
will
establish
a
group
who
will
advise
us
on
a
minimum
standard.
We
should
be
targeting
as
a
community
for
that.
F
K
I
think
that
it's
not
a
short
answer,
so
it's
something
I'd
like
to
talk
further
offline
to
get
a
better
understanding
what
you
mean
by
competitive
neutrality,
but
I
know
that
by
the
way
the
the
crtc
regulations
work
today,
where
other
federal
regulations
work.
We
have
to
be
effectively
neutral
in
terms
of
our
offering
of
the
right-of-way,
provided
there
are
no
conflicts
with
other
utilities
and
functions
within
the
right-of-way.
So
if
I'm
not
answering
the
question
right,
perhaps
I
need
to
spend
more
time
to
understand
what
yeah.
F
E
On
the
importance
of
the
investments
in
this
in
technology
and
in
smart
cities,
I
think
the
more
data
we
have,
the
better
it
is
the
bear,
the
more
decisions
the
better
decisions
are
made,
and
also
after
that,
the
better
our
response
can
be
as
a
city.
So
to
me,
it's
a
win-win-win.
I
just
I
want
to
speak
to
a
matter
that
too
often
we
hold
on
to
legacy
programs
in
the
various
departments
which,
to
me,
are
continued
weight
of
these
strategies.
E
The
pothole
example
so
pothole
comes
into
311
makes
its
way
through
to
kevin's
group,
who
makes
the
who
then
prints
the
copy
assigns
it
to
the
office
to
whoever
is
going
to
fill
that
pothole
and
ends
up
being
a
physical
copy,
and
I
want
to
applaud
the
work
of
ottawa
community
housing
in
that
front,
where
that
was
a
very
predominant
issue
at
auto
community
housing,
and
we
were
able
to
close
that
loop
by
removing
the
paper
trail.
Everyone
had
the
technology
tools
they
needed
on
site
where
they
needed
it,
so
that
it
wasn't.
E
You
know,
a
manager
who
was
closing
a
file.
It
was
actually
the
person
who
had
done
the
work
so
that
to
me
is
one
the
other
one
that
I
know
mr
manconi
is
struggling
with.
Is
technology
is
evolving
technology's
evolving
around
us
people
with
the
data
that
we
provide?
They
they
invent
apps
and
so
on?
It's
great.
Let's
keep
that
up
and
let's
make
sure
the
information
we
provide
is
accurate.
E
The
big
gap,
in
my
mind,
is
we're
stuck
with
the
old
legacy,
we're
still
printing
the
old
sheet
of
the
buses
at
the
bus
stop
and
things
continue
to
evolve,
so
we
also
have
to
be
front
facing
in
in
that
challenge
with
technology
so
that
we
can
make
a
cohesive
shift.
So
again,
I
applaud
the
strategy.
I
just
I
wanted
to
highlight
two.
Two
very
you
know
you
know
some
two,
two
gaps
that
we
have
that
I
think
reflect
a
bigger
challenge
that
we
have
internally
thanks
great.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor.
I
just
say
I
wanna
call
my
colleagues
and
and
thank
mr
willis
and
miss
gray
for
their
work
on
the
strategy
as
along
with
councilor
harter
and
councillor.
Tierney
is
one
of
the
sponsors
for
the
smart
city.
It's
been
quite
a
educational
journey
to
to
learn
where
we're
going
with
this,
but
it
was
also
mr
mayor
very
exciting,
to
see
how
much
the
city's
already
doing
in
this
area,
with
a
number
of
great
initiatives
on
how
to
save
taxpayers
money
yet
provide
better
services.
B
So
I
want
to
express
my
support
publicly
for
your
efforts
today
and
stay
with
you
as
we
we
carry
through
mr
canalakas.
Thank
you
for
seeing
the
wisdom
and
the
potential
savings
and
embracing
smart
cities,
and
hopefully
we
can
move
towards
making
this
a
term
a
council
priority
next
turn.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
A
H
Be
a
result
that
the
rules
of
procedure
be
suspended
to
permit
the
deputy
city,
solicitor
and
staff
to
brief
council
and
receive
direction
with
respect
to
collective
bargaining,
mandates
for
the
following
bargaining
units,
atu
local
279,
paratranspo,
atu,
local
1760
and
ottawa,
professional
firefighters
association
and
be
it
further
resolve
that
council
resolving
camera
pursuant
to
procedure
by
law,
216-377,
subsection,
131d,
labor
relations
or
employee
negotiations
and
sub
section
13,
the
receiving
of
advice
that
is
subject
to
social
climate
privilege,
including
communications
necessary
for
that
purpose.
With
respect
to
the
above
noted,
collective
bargaining
matters.
A
We're
on
the
motion
carried
we'll
take
a
five
minute
recess
before
moving
in
camera.
I'd
ask
that
the
room
be
cleared
and
that
staff
who
do
not
need
to
be
present.
Please
leave
the
room
as
well,
and
please
remember
to
bring
all
of
your
belongings
with
you
as
you
exit.
I
believe
commissioner
crew
is
here
on
behalf
of
and
martilla
hartman
as
well,
so
if
they
could
take
a
seat
and
we're
recessed
for
five
minutes.