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From YouTube: Ottawa City Council – April 10, 2013
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Ottawa City Council meeting – April 10, 2013
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas
B
C
C
C
D
You
very
much
mr.
mayor
good
morning,
everyone.
It
is
my
distinct
pleasure
to
introduce
members
of
council
to
a
very
talented
voice
from
Gloucester
Southgate
ward.
Luigi
Moreno
has
been
interested
in
music
since
he
was
a
young
boy
and
these
days
when
Luigi
is
not
busy
at
work
or
being
a
dedicated
hockey
dad
you
can
find
him
singing
beautiful
spiritual
him
set
st.
Bernard's
church
in
blossom.
Park
Luigi
has
also
provided
his
vocal
talents
to
corporate
events
and
private
weddings,
including
that
of
former
mayor
Larry.
D
O'brien
I
have
personally
had
the
opportunity
to
hear
Luigi
sing
on
several
occasions
and
every
time
I
am
awed
by
his
natural
ability
in
his
spectacular
voice.
We're
very
fortunate
this
morning
to
enjoy
the
gift
of
his
talent
through
his
rendition
of
our
National
Anthem
I'd
like
to
thank
Luigi
for
taking
the
time
to
be
here
with
us
today.
So
without
further
ado,
I'd
like
to
introduce
you
to
Luigi
Moreno
as
today's
voice
of
counsel
o.
B
Canada,
our
home
and
native
land.
True
page,
will
you
know
my
son's
command.
Captain
brass
support.
Any
pain,
he'll
support,
a
lakh
reward.
Tony
soiree
tune
a
pop,
a
deeply
breo's
explore
our
God,
keep
our
land
glorious
and
free
Oh
Canada.
We
stand
on
guard
for
thee,
o
Canada.
We
stand
on
guard
for
thee.
C
Thank
you
very
much.
She
was
wonderful,
it's
great
to
have
you
with
us
at
City,
Council,
Chambers
and
thanks
to
councillor
Dean's
for
suggesting
you
at
this
time.
It's
our
opportunity
to
present
our
mayor
city
builder,
award
and
I'd,
ask
a
greet,
hail
and
gay
cook
to
join
me
along
with
councillor
Katherine
Hobbs
right
up
here
in
the
center
of
the
council
chamber.
It's
great
to
have
these
two
distinguished
women
with
us
who
are
very
well
known
in
our
community
and
Colonel.
You
look
great
that
wonderful,
uniform,
Thank,
You
Katherine.
C
Is
well
known
for
her
work
as
a
volunteer
with
dozens
of
Ottawa
organizations,
including
president
of
beechwood
cemetery,
and
was
one
of
the
leading
forces
behind
having
that
cemetery
dedicated
as
our
National
Cemetery
and
as
a
founding
member
of
the
board
of
the
Community
Foundation
of
Ottawa
Carleton,
and
we
know
how
much
good
work
the
Community
Foundation
has
done.
This
only
speaks
to
a
small
sample
of
her
privilege
for
Olympic
volunteer
work
inside
our
city
and
also
outside,
where
she's
been
active
in
both
provincial
national
charities,
as
well
as
international
charities
and
her
work.
C
As
a
result
of
that
wonderful
book
that
sits
on
my
coffee
table
up
in
the
office
grief,
the
funds
went
to
help
young
women
and
girls
overseas.
A
cook
is
an
equally
devoted
resident,
known
to
many
for
her
food
column
in
the
Ottawa
Citizen
for
many
years
and
her
cookbooks,
but
also
the
generous
spirit
shared
by
her
sisters.
She's,
given
her
time
to
numerous
Ottawa
charities
over
the
years
and
like
her
sister,
remains.
An
active
community
volunteer
today
from
judging
chili
contests
in
Vanier
to
pie
and
cake
contests
at
Billings
bridge
for
the
Christmas
exchange.
C
Gaye
has
become
ottawa's
culinary
ambassador.
These
two
sisters
are
a
remarkable
dual
and
they've
inspired
many
Ottawa
residents
to
become
volunteers
as
mayor
I'm,
fortunate
to
represent
the
city
at
a
variety
of
charitable
function,
and
it
seems
like
either
agreed
Yale
or
both
are
always
at
those
events
always
involve
front
and
center,
giving
back
to
their
community.
They
continue
to
live
lives
of
giving
and
I'm
happy
to
see
so
many
of
their
family
and
friends
who
are
here
today.
As
we
present
this
award,
they.
C
And
it's
fitting
we're
presenting
this
award
here
in
the
council
chamber,
because
just
outside
the
council
chamber
is
the
hall
named
after
greed
and
gays
late
sister,
Jean,
Piggin
Jean
was
a
great
friend
to
so
many
in
this
community
and
I
know
she
would
have
been
so
proud
to
see
her
beloved
sisters
here
receiving
this
award.
I
want
to
congratulate
you.
Thank
you
for
being
role
models
and
giving
so
much
back
to
your
community.
E
One
man
came
up
to
me
and
he
said
he
said
your
sister
meant
so
much
to
me
when
she
was
president
of
Moore's
Lamott.
He
said
and
I
said
who
are
you?
He
said
I'm
the
bread
I
was
the
bread
man
thirty
years
ago
in
front
of
the
ovens,
and
he
said
I
just
had
to
come
to
say
thank
you
for
what
your
family
is
done,
so
that's
all
very
meaningful
and
so
Jim.
Thank
you
again
for
what
you
did
for
us.
E
I'm
wearing
today,
you'll
wonder
what
the
Dickens
are
wearing,
but
this
is
the
I.
Am
the
first
woman
honorary
Colonel
of
the
Governor
General's
Foot
Guards
I,
wear
this
uniform
so
proudly
and
for
volunteerism
I
just
felt
I
had
to
wear
it
today.
You
know
I've
been
privileged
to
be
part
of
what
is
it
over
40
volunteer
organization
has
volunteer
organizations
in
this
community.
Our
parents
always
encouraged
us
to
go
to
contribute
to
give
back
and
that's
why
our
lives
have
been
so
rich
and
wonderful.
E
When
you
don't
have
parents
to
pay
that
little
bit,
you
don't
go
to
school
and
Edward
is
barely
getting
through
Algonquin.
So
three
of
us
way
back
in
93
stepped
up
and
said:
Edward
will
pay
the
school
fees
of
your
five
nephews
and
nieces
so
that
they
have
a
chance
in
life
that
is
grown
now
now
we
have
it.
We
meet
once
a
month
in
the
basement
of
a
church
on
the
road,
just
a
handful
of
us,
and
we
pay
now
the
school
fees
of
770,
boys
and
girls.
E
We
take
them
in
at
grade
one,
and
we
see
them
right
through
to
graduation
from
high
schools.
We've
built
a
tree
little
trade
school
so
that
they
could
go
and
happens,
earn
a
living,
learn
a
trade
and
then
make
responsible
citizens
in
their
community.
I
was
very
concerned
for
the
young
women.
These
are
women
who
have
no
parents
have
no
pony.
Where
do
they
sleep
at
night?
E
So
when
why
80th
birthday
four
years
ago
by
I,
had
a
tea
party
cucumber
sandwiches
and
iced
tea
and
I
said,
would
you
make
a
donation
if
you
would
to
can
have
you
know?
In
one
afternoon,
$13,000
came
in
just
like
that.
People
open
their
hearts
and
pocketbooks
I
use
that
with
mother
I'm
a
little
can't
have
ward
the
bill.
I
said:
let's
build
a
dormitory,
so
the
young
women
coming
to
learn
a
trade
can
have
a
safe
place
to
sleep.
Last
Friday
the
ribbon
was
cut
for
the
most
beautiful
dormitory.
E
E
F
I
know
I
just
wanted
to
say:
I
love,
Ottawa
I
have
traveled
and
I
worked
in
many
countries
and
cities
around
the
world
and
Ottawa
always
stayed
deep
in
my
heart
and
I
am
so
proud
to
be
from
Ottawa
and
for
this
city,
I
have
I
just
want
a
I
have
four
things
that
are
very
deep
in
my
heart
that
I
wanted
to
just
pass
on.
One
is
the
Aberdeen
Pavillion,
because
the
name
says
it
all.
That
is
to
me
one
of
the
most
precious
attractive
heritage
buildings
in
Ottawa.
F
It's
a
fantastic
building
and
I
dream
that
that
someday
becomes
like
the
home
of
the
Ottawa
farmers
market
and
other
culinary
events.
That's
just
a
dream.
The
second
thing,
the
second
one
that
I'm
very
involved
with
which
I'm
very
proud
of,
is
to
be
on
the
board
of
a
community
house
called
deborah
dines
and
we're
going
through
a
lot
of
pain
these
days
because
they
cut
off
number
3
bus
line.
F
You
have
no
idea
the
effect
its
had
on
so
many
fact:
families
who
can
no
longer
take
that
bus
that
was
so
convenient
for
them
to
get
around
to
the
agriculture
museum
anywhere
to
shopping.
They
have
to
push
a
little.
You
know
babies
cart
through
the
snow
to
get
to
get
where
they
have
to
go
anyway.
It's
been
fair.
It's
been
a
tragic
tragedy.
F
The
third
thing
is
I'm,
so
proud
to
be
on
the
board
of
the
canadensis.
Now,
do
you
all
know
what
that
is?
That
is
the
future
Botanical
Garden
in
agriculture
in
the
experimental
farm,
and
that
was,
can
you
believe
it
that
that
was
okayed
back
in
1895
to
be
a
Botanical
Garden
there?
So
it's
taken
a
few
years,
but
we're
working
on
it,
because
we
what
we
see
it
as
Center
for
Ottawa
to
come
to
learn
more,
but
more
than
that,
it's
this
force.
F
It's
it's
a
great
possibility,
and
the
more
thing
is
the
the
part
that
I
played
when
the
culinary
scene
in
Ottawa
I
am
so
proud
of,
where
Ottawa
has
moved
in
the
color
a
scene
in
Ottawa.
You
know
that
we
have
three
schools
here
in
Ottawa
with
with
the
culinary
courses
and
that's
all
being
the
basis
of
so
much
that's
happening
in
this
city
of
Ottawa.
There's
Algonquin,
culinary
school,
there's,
C,
teak
caleche
and
the
third
one
is
the
cordon
bleu,
so
I'm
very
proud
to
be
part
of
all
that.
F
C
B
B
See
if
Barry
counselor
Clark
here.
B
C
C
G
C
I
C
The
motion
carried
reports,
Ottawa
police
services
report,
10
a
fall
in
the
middle
ds2,
Commission
desilva's
policier
da
wah.
This
is
the
Police
Services
Board
activity,
training
and
performance
2012
annual
report.
If
there
are
any
questions,
the
chair
of
the
board
councils
interiors
here
received
a
selection
panel,
Transit
Commission
Julie.
C
C
Descent
by
councillor
Sher
Ali
item
number
five:
zoning
three
to
nine
Jenkinson
Road
zone
as
Neff
chemin
Jenkinson
carried
item
number
six,
which
is
from
the
Finance
and
Economic
Development
Committee
report
number
31,
her
fall
in
the
middle
continent.
A
committee
Dafina
listened
to
develop
my
economic
2013
City
of
Ottawa
municipal
accessibility
plan,
known
as
Co
map
update
report
Musa
as
ruled
are
appalled,
solar
plant
accessibility,
pan
de
la
ville
de
huaah
have
ham
ville
de
milk
rise
committee.
C
Recommendations
has
presented
carried,
thank
you
for
staff
and
counselors
who
worked
on
that
item
number:
seven
public-private
partnership
policy,
politics,
early
Felton
area,
public
Prive,
carried
item,
number
8,
2013
tax
ratios
and
other
tax
policies;
co.
A
few
selfies
Codelco
politic,
dimples
easy
on
the
dim
in
tries
on
the
report
is
presented
from
fedko
carried.
C
Item
number
11
zoning
409,
Makai
Street
and
19
beechwood
Avenue
zone
ashcans
it
enough
room,
Akai,
ad
sniff,
Avenue,
Beachwood
carried
item
number
12.
If
people
wish
to
hold
item
number
12,
we
have
to
hold
item
13
at
the
same
time-
and
this
is
the
item
councillor
flurry
has
a
is
declared
a
conflict
on.
So
we
have
item
number
12,
which
is
building
a
livable
ottawa,
comprehensive
five-year
review
of
the
Official
Plan
public
meeting
and
collectivity
AV
AB
laut,
the
walk
of
Israel.
C
Ottawa,
comprehensive
five-year
review
of
the
Official
Plan
employment
lands
in
collectivity,
V,
habla,
Ottawa
exam,
a
detail,
aid
plan,
oficial
being
for
this
DNA
alum
POIs
on
item
12
carried
and
item
13
carried
and
councillor
flurry
is
returning
to
a
seat.
Item
number
14
is
zoning
to
1:07
male
blue
road
zone
as
de
as
it'll
set
Cement
male
blue
carried
item
number
15
2012
annual
report.
C
Pursuant
to
the
building
code
report
on
yo,
a
doodoo
mildews,
whiskey,
fella,
wasa
Lakota
bet
small
at
up
day
carried
Transit
Commission
report
number
19,
nepal,
nu-metal,
dese
nerve,
commissioned
across
ball,
come
in
item
number
16,
2012,
q3
and
q4
delegation
of
authority
report
contracts
awarded
for
the
period
of
July,
1st
2012
to
December
31st
2012
for
transit
services,
received
item
number
17
transportation
committee
report,
number
26,
rep,
all
new
metal
vince's
to
committee
date
has
ball:
glebe
local
area,
parking
study
and
170.
Second
Avenue
parking
development.
C
C
Disposition
of
items
approved
by
committees
under
delegated
authority
suite
the
donate,
is
articulately
feet.
Belly
committee
of
altitudes
approve,
while
delegate
has
attached
and
document
one
carried
okay,
so
we
go
back
and
we
have
appointment.
Transit,
Commission,
Nami,
National
Commission
to
first
of
all
come
in
and
the
chair
of
OC
Transpo
councillor
Dean's
would
like
to
introduce
the
successful
nominee.
Thank.
D
You
very
much
mr.
mayor
I,
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
tell
members
accounts
a
little
bit
about
Mark
Johnson,
because
we
just
prepared
the
report
to
put
it
on
this
agenda
today,
and
he
is
the
choice
of
the
selection
panel.
The
selection
panel
met
last
Friday
and
on
Monday,
and
we
made
the
decision
to
appoint
Mark
Johnson
or
to
recommend
his
appointment
to
Council
today,
in
order
that
he
can
be
at
the
Transit
Commission.
Meeting
next
week.
D
Mark
is
from
bar
Haven
Ward
3
he's
a
strong
proponent
of
public
transit.
He
holds
a
an
honours
Bachelor
of
Arts
degree
in
political
science,
and
he
is
nearing
completion
of
his
master's
in
communication
at
the
University
of
Ottawa
mark
is
an
Environment
Canada
employee
and
believes
that
OC
Transpo
can
set
an
example
for
residents
and
environmental
leadership.
He
sits
on
the
board
of
directors
of
the
Canadian
celiac
Association,
as
well
as
that
of
the
organization's
Ottawa
chapter
and
has
extensive
experience
in
strategic
and
organizational
communication.
D
Social
media,
stakeholder
and
media
relations,
environmental
and
health
communication,
professional
writing
and
Pharmacy
mark
is
a
daily
transit
user
and
knows
the
system
from
the
inside
he's.
Currently
in
Eco
pass
holder,
he
wants
to
make
the
system
even
better
to
encourage
greater
usage.
Mr.
mayor
I
know
that
mark
will
be
a
strong
addition
to
the
Transit,
Commission
and
I
look
forward
to
formally
introducing
him
at
the
April
17th
Transit
Commission
meeting
I.
C
J
J
Is
yours?
Thank
you
very
much
through
your
mr.
mayor,
I,
I.
Think
what
the
impression
that
was
left
in
the
community
and
certainly
to
me
was
it
to
a
great
degree.
The
developer
of
this
project
essentially
came
forward
with
a
much
taller
building
what
we
know.
They
came
forward
with
a
much
taller
building
proposal
than
the
zoning
currently
allows,
but
we
are
left
with
the
impression
that
city
staff,
in
a
sense
offered
carte
blanche
that
name
your
building
height.
K
You
worship,
I,
wasn't
directly
involved
that
I'd
certainly
tell
you
how
we
approach
it
in
all
the
applications
in
terms
of
this
application
for
a
rezoning
it
see
in
our
procedure,
it
requires
a
mandatory
pre-consultation,
so
it
has
to
be
a
mandatory
pre
consultation,
where
you
know
the
performance
comes
in
at
a
very
early
age
and
early
stage
in
the
process
speak
to
staff
of
what
they're
you
know
what
they
want
to
accomplish,
and
basically
we
talk
about
three
things
in
terms
of
of
that
mandatory
pre-consultation
one.
What
is
it?
K
What
is
the
policy
context
in
terms
of
the
site?
You
know
what
is
the
official
plan
say
if
there's
secondary
plans
what
you
know?
What
do
they
say
in
terms
of
you
know
where
we're
where
we're
heading
with
area
with
that
site?
So
we
talked
about
that
in
in
general
terms,
because
now
we're
trying
to
at
least
if
someone
comes
in
with
a
project
that
doesn't
fit
from
a
policy
point
of
view.
K
We
want
to
be
able
to
tell
the
proponent
that
you
know
it
doesn't
fit
the
policy
or,
if
it
you
know,
if
it
was
modified
in
certain
ways,
it
might
be
able
to
fit
that
policy.
So
we
deal
with
the
policy
context
first,
then,
we
just
basically
deal
if
there's
any
known
technical
issues
that
may
be
involved
with
that
in
terms
of
servicing
or
you
know,
needs
in
in
the
community.
So
we
speak
about
that
and
the
third
thing
we
speak
about
is
process.
K
You
know
what
what's
involved
point
the
proponent
to
speak
with
the
ward
councillor
to
speak
with
community
associations.
If
there
are
any
and
we
give
them
a
lists
and
the
the
contacts
for
all
of
that,
so
we
we
try
to
be
very
you
know
you
know
open
to
it.
We
don't
make
a
commitment
in
terms
of
you
know
what
what
we
would
support.
We
speak
it
from
a
policy
perspective.
J
Do
we
get
into
numbers,
for
example,
a
building
height,
because
the
impression
I
similarly
was
not
in
those
meetings,
but
the
impression
I
get
both
from
hearing
from
developers
and
and
staff
talking
about
this
process
after
those
initial
meetings
was,
was
as
if
a
nominal
number
of
20
stories
go
ahead
with
something
around
20
stories,
and
it
should
be
fine.
If
that
is
being
stated,
I
suppose,
are
there
cases
is
that
standard
procedure
where
staff
might
say
yeah
this
kind
of
ball
park.
We
could
support.
K
Would
I
would
think
if
the
policy
was
clear
yeah
we
would
at
least
give
the
the
range
of
of
what
would
be
supportable
if
the
official
plan
or
secondary
Splatt
plan
speaks
as
being
a
high-profile
building,
then
we
know,
what's
your
bob
ten
stories,
and
you
know
the
you
know
gain
depending
what
that
what
the
guidance
is
in
the
plan
so
yeah.
If
someone
came
in
and
wanted
to
in
a
in
a
low
profile
area
of
the
city
wanted
to
a
high
profile,
we
would
say:
no,
you
know
we're
not
for
that.
K
If
someone
comes
forward
and
wants
to
deal
with
it
in
a
high-profile
area,
then
we
would
talk.
I
would
think
a
range
of
what
we
would
be
able
to
feel
complies
with
the
policy
and
that's
subject
to
you
know
urban
design
aspects.
You
know
servicing
aspects,
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
you'll
go
beyond
just
the
number
of
stories
in
a
building
yeah.
J
Because
I
certainly
know
and
no
intent
to
impugn
that
anything
inappropriate
went
on
just
an
understanding
of.
If
someone
comes
in
with
an
application,
do
they
receive
some
sort
of
guidance
in
that
initial
stage
of
that's
probably
too
high
yeah
in
this
range
that
quick
we
could
see
where
that
might
fit,
because
this
is
where
we're
trying
to
understand
is.
Does
negotiation
if
I
want
to
call
it?
If
that's
appropriate,
go
on
at
that
stage,
and
at
what
point
can
it
become
public
that
a
certain
building
height
might
receive
staff
support.
K
To
the
chair,
as
you
mentioned
earlier,
and
really
until
until
Planning
Committee
considers
council
consider
it
CEO
it's
hard
for
us,
you
know
we
cannot
predetermine
what
the
outcome
of
it's
going
to
be,
but
I
would
think
that,
yes,
we
talk
about
range
I
mean
there's
many
projects
that
don't
get
in
front
of
committee
or
council
that
we've
said
to
the
opponent.
No,
you
know
we
don't
support
that
and
you
know
whatever
sees
them
and
you
never
never
comes
to
committee
or
or
Council
so
again,
I
think
we
speak
in
terms
of
arrange.
K
J
You
know
six
storeys
lower
here
raised
there.
We
can
live
with
that,
so
we
have
a
community
that
understands
a
little
better.
Now
that
zoning
is
not
a
final
number
that
you
can
never
can
never
go
beyond,
but
I
guess
what
was
so
difficult
for.
All
of
us,
who
opposed
this
jump
in
height,
was
to
feel
that
you
know
20
storeys
was
was
almost
acknowledged
as
acceptable
from
the
outset,
so
the
community
that
might
have
felt
if
we
could
go
from
9
to
maybe
11
or
12.
K
J
L
You
very
much
mr.
mayor,
two
very
quick
questions,
one
to
the
city
solicitor
and
the
city
clerk
through
the
mayor.
Of
course,
I'm
wondering
mr.
O'connor.
If
you
can
verify
for
all
of
us
in
terms
of
the
lobbyists
registry,
how
transparent
the
process
is
when
anybody
working
on
a
file
like
this
would
be
coming
in
to
speak
with
senior
staff.
How
that
works?
L
B
L
L
L
Because
my
experience,
your
respective
of
any
of
the
changing
of
the
rules
since
I've
been
a
city
councilor,
is
that
the
door
is
always
open
and
and
that
it's
open
for
meetings
between
the
developer,
the
community
reps,
if
you
will
with
staff
present
and
that
it's
a
very
fluid
process,
and
it
actually
gives
an
opportunity
before
staff,
render
a
decision
to
actually
have
more
input
as
to
what
the
community's
concerns
may
be,
that
the
staff
might
not
even
know
about.
So
how
long
have
we
had
a
process
like
this
in
place?.
K
You
worship,
we've
had
a
process
in
place
since
the
creation
of
the
new
city
and
certainly
other
news
powers
before
that
had
a
had
a
process
where
you
know
we
have
a
very,
very
open
process
in
terms
of
public
consultation,
public
notification,
public
involvement
in
terms
of
the
mandatory
pre
consultation
on
a
range
of
applications,
I
think
that
came
into
play
in
2009
or
10,
where
that
has
only
changed
that
we've
really
had
in
the
last
12
years.
Sure.
L
L
Final
question
to
the
mayor,
Todd
and
mr.
Moser,
or
miss
scheppers
specifically
on
process.
How
unusual
is
it
for
an
applicant
to
come
in
and
actually
bounce
ideas
off
staff
before
they
retain
for
the
consultants
or
spend
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars,
designing
any
kind
of
landscape
plan
etc
to
bounce
ideas
off
staff
before
they
make
an
investment
in
an
application
that
staff
at
the
outset
would
say?
No,
we
absolutely
don't
like
this.
How
common
is
it
for
a
developer
to
come
in
and
ask
those
kinds
of
questions.
K
Again,
because
what
you
do
have
mandatory
pre-consultation
on
it,
there
is
a
lot
of
that
comes
in
at
the
very
early
stages
of
it
and
I
think.
Certainly,
we
encourage
early
involvement,
both
with
staff
and
with
the
ward
counselor
and
the
community
sociation
you
long
before.
Anybody
makes
an
application
to
come
forward,
so
it
does
happen
on
a
regular
basis.
Okay,.
H
You
mr.
mayor
well
along
the
same
theme,
I
think
it's
quite
natural.
If,
in
the
process
of
applying
that
proposals
put
forward
and
staff
react
to
it
and
the
developer
resupplies
and
then
that's
just
the
only
way
to
get
the
business
done.
That
don't
think
it's.
It
violates
the
pre
consult
issue,
but
I
am
a
little
concerned
with
once
staff
has
said.
It
seems
to
make
sense
to
me
that
the
community
is
left
defenseless
if
it's
taken
to
the
OMB,
because
we,
if
our
staff
is
compromised,
is
that
accurate.
K
Not
sure
they're
compromised
worship,
but
if
staff
prefers
a
position
and
that
committee
and
council
supports
it,
then
then,
yes,
that
the
chance
of
being
able
to
with
us
you
know
being
unified
on
that
position.
You
know
it
does
put
many
people
not
at
a
disadvantage,
but
you
know
we're
all
of
the
same
mind
on
it
and
we
tend
to
be
able
to
prevail
in
those
situations.
M
Mr.
mayor,
if
I
might
add
it's
important
to
note
that
when
the
pre
consultation
happens
in
those
early
meetings,
as
as
mr.
Moser
has
indicated,
there
is
a
range
of
there's
a
policy
interpretation
that
is
given
to
the
applicant
that
in
no
way
guarantees
what
the
final
decision
would
be
from
the
department
that
they
would
be
prepared
to
put
in
front
of
planning
committee.
It
starts
a
process
and,
as
chair
McCray
indicates,
there's
a
lot
of
consultation.
There's
a
lot
of
engagement.
M
That
happens
that
in
a
lot
of
in
most
cases,
you
know,
causes
the
final
recommendations
and
influence
of
them
to
a
great
degree.
So
when
staff
me
in
those
early
days,
they
are
not
in
a
position
to
give
councils
position
at
all,
they
will
give
interpretation
of
council's
policies
and
always
going
back
to
where
council
Direction
is
and
recognizing
that
there's
a
process
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
those
final
recommendations
that
staff
make
to
Council.
Take
those
into
consideration.
H
Sometimes,
when
I
call,
the
planning
I
feel
I
have
to
sign
the
lobbyist
registry
because
I,
you
know,
frankly,
since
the
decision
to
remove
map
from
the
information
available
to
to
councilors
we're
flying
blind
and
some
might
say,
I
would
do
that
anyway.
But
that's
just
not
the
issue.
I
think
that
the
the
whole
issue
of
trying
to
share
information
between
counselors
and
the
and
staff
has
been
calm
as
been
given.
Severe
penalties
and
I
was
told
that
this
would
be
dealt
with
and
so
far
I
haven't
seen
any
evidence.
H
N
See
I'm
just
trying
to
to
bring
some
context
to
this.
This
discussion
very
interesting
discussion.
A
lot
of
people
would
like
to
do
away
with
pre-consultation.
Unfortunately,
I
think
that
the
Planning
Act
requires
that
in
our
official
plan
we
have
pre
consultation
with
with
the
applicant
and
although
in
places
where
applicants
are
seeking
confirmation
or
clear
clarity
around
our
policy
statement,
that
cuts
both
ways
when
they
come
into
a
high-profile
building
such
as
the
one
we're
talking
about
yeah.
You
know
this
is
what
we
think
of
a
high
profile
site.
N
It
cuts
the
other
way
when
the
applicant
comes
in.
Maybe
in
West
Wellington,
where
the
policy
context
says
it's
six
storeys
and
come
in
and
say
well
I'd
like
what
would
you
think
if
we
brought
an
official
plan
amendment
for
ten,
we
can
say
what
we
say
and
we
have
to
actually
this
proponent
we're
not
on
for
any
changes
to
the
policy
context,
so
they
go
away
and
they
say:
okay,
we're
not
pursuing
that
and
I.
Think
mr.
Moser,
that's
that's
the
context.
That's
provided
in
these
pre
consultation
meetings.
Is
it
not
a
chair?
Yes?
K
N
You
go
mr.
Moser
you've
hit
the
nail
on
the
head,
and
the
problem
that
has
plagued
planning
committee
for
the
last
six
years
is
that
we've
got
winter.
We
have
an
interpretation
of
our
official
of
our
official
plan
that
doesn't
necessarily
jive
with
the
zoning
that's
on
the
site
and
we're
fixing
that
this
time
around.
So
you
know
we
won't
have
a
debate
about
whether
a
20-story
buildings
allow
there
because
it
will
be
allowed
and
it
will
zone
so
there'll
be
no
issues
about
the
community
interprets
the
policy
this
way.
N
We
interpret
the
policy
that
way
and
never
the
twain
shall
ever
meet
because
they
don't.
We
are
going
to
say,
here's
a
tall
building.
It's
90
stories
in
that
area
in
in
this
mixed-use
center
or
in
600
meters
of
the
transit
weigh
station
and
the
zoning
will
come
in
will
be
put
in
in
place.
So
we
won't
have
these
people
coming
in
saying
nineteen
stories.
No,
it's
right
there.
In
our
official
plan,
we've
debated
the
policies
and
we've
dealt
with
that
because
you
know
I
feel
for
these
communities
and
I
feel
for
councillor.
N
N
But
and
as
a
result,
we
run
into
those
conflicts,
because
the
community
often
has
a
different
interpretation
of
the
the
Official
Plan
or,
quite
frankly,
mr.
mayor
no
appreciation
of
the
policies
of
the
Official
Plan.
So
we
are
now
trying
with
what
we
are
doing
on
in
ROP
to
change
that
so
that
we're
not
getting
into
these
debates
about.
N
You
know
18
stories
or
15
stories
or
20
stories
and,
quite
frankly,
mr.
mayor,
where
we've
done
it
in
councillor
Hobbs
award
in
in
West
Wellington,
where
we've
set
a
solid
and
I
think
totally
well.
I
know
totally
defensible
policy
framework.
Proponents
have
come
forward
and
said
yeah.
You
know
that
six-story
got
European
your
secondary
plan,
I'd
really
like
to
go
to
ten
and
twelve,
and
we've
said
no
and
in
every
case,
not
in
one
but
in
every
case,
mr.
N
N
It's
a
policy
that
is
plaguing
councilor
echoes
community
today
and
it
has
plagued
other
communities
in
the
past
and
we
are
going
to
fix
that
in
in
the
future,
and
it's
not
to
say
that
we
won't
have
resolved
out
the
Koestler,
because
we
will
but
to
the
extent
that
we
can
zone
and
do
that
comprehensively
across
the
city.
Mr.
mayor,
thanks
to
your
leadership
and
others,
we
will
do
that.
I.
Think.
C
If
those
of
you
who
are
following
Council
human
was
an
excellent
summary
of
the
challenge
and
also
the
solution
that
we
will
find
this
term
of
Council
to
deal
with
some
of
these
challenges
and
and
I
think
the
the
point
you
raised
with
with
respect
to
the
work
that
you
and
councillor
Hobbs
did
on
the
West
Wellington
getting
that
in
place.
You're
quite
right.
We
don't
hear
about
those
because
you
don't
bring
forward
a
no
application,
so
that
was
very
well
said
councillor.
Thank
you.
C
J
That
thank
you.
Yes,
this
is
a
very
useful
discussion
and
I
think
what
is
become
extremely
clear
for
me
is:
there
has
to
be
at
some
point
the
opportunity
where
the
affected
community
gets
to
engage
in
a
really
deep
way
about
what
is
it?
What
is
the
community
that
we
live
in
going
to
look
like,
and
what
do
we
want
it
to
look
like,
because,
certainly
a
planning
committee
after
a
staff
report
has
said
we
support
this
application
is
not
the
opportunity
for
all
of
the
upset.
J
Contrary
opinions
to
be
voiced,
with
any
kind
of
expectation
that
they
will
overturn
the
decision,
but
what's
been
lacking,
is
that
it
has
to
be
now
with
the
updating
of
our
official
plan,
certainly
where
Community
Design
plans
are
being
created
that
opportunity
so
that,
ultimately,
we
can
say
we
had
our
chance.
We
had
our
say
all
views
were
considered.
J
We
came
up
with
the
revised
official
plan,
a
CDP,
and
now
we
expect
it
to
be
held
to
its
this
vague
area
that
we're
in
right
now,
which
is
the
problem
so
I
find
myself
wrapping
up
on
this
development.
Saying
I
understand
the
building's.
Can
go
higher,
but
this
one
in
this
location
appears
to
all
of
us
in
the
community
to
be
too
high
at
the
wrong
location,
not
on
the
corner
not
sufficiently
close
to
a
transit
station
to
be
considered
Tod.
So
it's
like
yes
in
a
slightly
different
sight.
J
C
A
Thank
You
mr.
Mehra's
introduced
at
the
last
meeting.
This
is
this
has
to
do
with
the
development
on
Hunt
Club,
where
the
Lowe's,
where
the
Lowe's
has
gone
in,
and
it
it's
a
request
to
allow
for
the
sale
of
piece
of
that
property
so
that
the
remainder
of
the
property
involved
still
qualifies
for
the
for
the
brownfields
program.
A
I
A
Happy
to
hear
from
who
I
have
to
say
counselor
since
you're
analyst
or
or
in
any
event
as
I
said,
the
we've
gone
through
legal
with
this
and
it's
the
the
land
that's
being
transferred
actually
is,
is
not
is
not
contaminated
in
any
way.
So
there's
no
impact
from
that
perspective
and
it
it
allows
the
the
program
to
go
forward
on
this
site,
as
we
previously
agreed
to
some
months
ago.
So
I'll
have
some
wrap-up
if
necessary,
but
I'll
I'll
turn
the
floor,
I
guess
to
fact
II
mr.
mayor
and
council
harder
yeah.
A
A
In
any
event,
so
the
the
impact
of
the
motion
is
essentially
to
to
fix
a
bit
of
a
glitch
in
the
process.
It
doesn't
impact
in
any
way
on
the
on
the
land,
contaminate
land
being
being
cleared
and
being
cleaned
which
is
well
underway
it.
It
doesn't
impact
in
any
way
on
on
the
tax
base,
in
the
sense
that,
in
fact,
with
the
land
being
severed
off,
will
start
to
receive
full
taxes
on
that
severed
off
piece
of
land
more
quickly
than
we
would
have
previously.
A
So
all
in
all,
it's
it's
just
to
to
fix
as
I
say.
Essentially,
a
glitch
in
the
process
allow
the
project
to
go
ahead,
allow
them
allow
the
land
to
get
cleared,
and,
and
so
it's
it's
a
win-win
situation
as
I
see
it
both
both
for
the
for
the
project
and
for
for
the
city
and
the
residents.
Thank
you.
Thank.
M
You
mr.
mayor
I'm,
councillor,
Wilkinson
and
I,
don't
consider
it
a
glitch
to
tell
you
the
truth
and
I'm
surprised
that
we
have
the
ability
to
go
to
just
deal
with
this
at
at
council
and
not
have
it
go
through
committee
of
adjustment,
Planning
Committee
something
some
process
because
the
land
in
question
it
isn't
contaminated,
but
they're
still
going
to
get
the
benefit
as
though
it
was
no
well
anyways.
We
have.
B
M
C
A
Mr.
mayor,
as
cassoulet
outlined,
there's
a
portion
of
these
lands
that
are
contaminated
and
a
portion
of
these
lands
that
are
not
and
what
the
owner
seeks
to
do
is
to
be
able
to
proceed
with
the
sale
and
development
of
the
uncontaminated
lands.
The
moment
they
are
conveyed
away,
the
uncontaminated
lands
will
get
no
benefit
under
this
program,
so
they
do
not
get
the
development
charges
relief
and
they
do
not
get
the
postponement
of
the
deferral
of
the
tax
increment.
A
B
If
that
was
the
case,
I
would
have
no
problem
with
it,
but
I'm
reading
this
report,
and
it
says
in
the
event
that
the
hotel
sites
conveyed
to
another
person,
the
hotel
site,
will
no
longer
be
ultra
tax.
Does
that
mean
you're
almost
read
like
once?
The
hotel
was
there
if
they
conveyed
it,
you're
saying
at
the
very
instant
of
conveyance
it
doesn't
get
the
tax
benefits.
It's
a
little
bit
unclear
the
way.
It's
worded
that.
A
B
B
C
Requiring
suspension
of
the
rules
of
procedure
I
have
one
from
councillor
flurry
seconded
by
councillor
Clark
on
a
demolition
issue
that
is
time-sensitive
on
suspension
of
the
rules
carried
I,
believe
a
copy
of
the
motions
been
circulated
and
councillor
flurry
to
introduce
place
seconded
by
councillor
Clark.
The.
G
Be
it
resolved
that
the
provisions
of
the
demolition,
Control
bylaw
being
bylaw
2012
377,
applied
to
building
permits
applications
submitted
as
the
date
of
enactment
of
the
new
bylaw,
except
for
those
applications
for
properties
located
in
former
Vani
and
Rockland
Park,
provided
the
building
permits
for
these
accepted
applications
or
issues
no
later
than
May.
1St
2013.
C
A
C
C
I
would
argue
against
waiving
the
rules.
This
is
a
complex
issue.
It
involves
impact
and
M,
FIFA
and
I
think
it
would
be
most
appropriate
that
we
not
suspend
the
rules
and
that
we
put
this
as
a
notice
of
motion,
but
it's
up
to
Council.
So
on
the
rules
that
may
be
waived,
I'd
call
counts
a
human
point
of
procedures
where.
N
C
H
Hurry
forth
and
didn't
get
a
very
satisfactory
answer,
and
but
the
answer
implied
that
the
matter
would
be
dealt
with
well
now,
I'm
getting
a
surfeit
of
of
committee
of
adjustment
replies
to
say
it's
it's
on
map.
Look
it
up,
and
I
can't
and
I
really
find
that
that
the
rationale
given
for
mfit
mpact
are
not
intended.
If
you
want
to
hamper
counselors
access
to
information,
it's
not
as
if
the
members
around
this
table
are
not
to
be
trusted
and
a
business.
H
C
C
Okay,
second,
about
councillor
zeros
on
referral,
carry
dissent
by
councillor
Holmes;
okay,
so
that
will
go
to
the
next
Fed
Co,
which
is
madam
deputy
clerk
in
about
two
weeks.
Okay,
so
we'll
have
staff.
Mr.
O'connor,
you
know
that
this
is
going
to
come
forward
if
you
can
bring
forward
your
thoughts
on
that
appreciate
that
any
other
motions
requiring
suspension
of
the
rules
notices
a
motion
for
consideration
at
subsequent
meetings
motion
to
introduce
bylaws
councillor,
shurelya
Nelson
Terry,
your.
B
C
This
surprise
now
you
also
share
a
birthday
with
another
local
celebrity
who's,
not
here
today,
but
I'm
sure
she's,
listening,
sooo
sharing
is
also
born
this
day.
So
we
wish
to
the
very
best
and
the
other
inquiries
received
in
writing.
Madam
deputy
adjournment
councillor
sure
le
and
Elsa
Terry.
Please
thank.