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From YouTube: Ottawa City Council – July 9, 2014
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Ottawa City Council meeting – July 9, 2014
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B
B
Since
then,
she
has
led
policy
shifts
that
have
made
the
City
of
Ottawa
a
leader
in
many
regards
from
accessible
taxi
cabs
to
smoke-free
policies.
All
the
tough
issues
that
you
get
to
deal
with
that
have
led
to
Ottawa
having
the
lowest
smoking
rate
in
the
province.
She
now
leads
an
integrated
Emergency,
Services
team
that
serves
the
people
of
Ottawa
exceptionally
well
in
time
of
need.
Susan
is
an
inspiration
and
an
agent
of
change
for
young
women
in
her
community.
B
She
was
an
instrumental
force
and
establishing
camp
fit
female
firefighters
in
training,
which
is
the
first
of
its
kind
in
Ontario
to
provide
high
school
girls
with
the
opportunity
to
participate
in
frontline
training,
with
the
hopes
of
one
day
reaching
a
more
equitable
gender
balance
in
the
profession.
Susan
has
gone
above
and
beyond
the
call
of
duty
and
inspires
a
new
generation
of
leaders
by
mentoring,
female
high
school
and
college
students,
as
well
as
an
extensive
network
of
young
women
who
wish
to
build
their
careers
in
her
spare
time.
B
B
A
C
A
E
A
G
E
A
A
B
You
have
the
core
mr.
mayor
said:
epsilon
the
process,
verbal
events
anchor
on
25th
of
June
2014,
okay,
declarations
of
interest,
including
those
originally
rising
from
prior
meetings
that
led
Isildur,
confident
today,
none
communications
as
received
regrets.
No
regrets
filed
to
date,
motion
introduced
reports,
most
important
presentation,
dr.
Paul
cone,
say
Thompson,
a
Hume
Cebu
plan.
D
Thank
you.
Your
worship
move
myself
seconded
by
Councillor
Hume,
that
agricultural
affairs
committee
report
43
Finance
and
Economic
Development
Committee
report,
45
planning
committee
report,
73
transportation
committee
report,
39
be
received
and
considered
and
that
the
rules
of
procedure
be
suspended
to
receive
and
consider
Joint
Finance
and
Economic
Development
Committee
and
audit
subcommittee
report,
1
subsections,
23,
section
29,
section
3
and
29
section
6.
Just
a
man
planning
committee
reports,
74
subsection,
29
section
3
because
of
the
urgency
of
the.
D
Report
42
a
waiver
of
the
rules
being
requested
for
Joint
Finance
and
Economic
Development
Committee.
An
audit
subcommittee
report,
one
I
to
five
of
the
agenda
and
planning
committee
report,
74
items,
ten
11,
12,
13,
14,
15,
16,
17,
18,
19
and
20
of
the
agenda
due
to
the
timelines
as
the
next
regular
council
meeting
is
not
scheduled
until
August
27th.
D
B
Got
that
under
Ferol?
What's
the
next
item:
okay,
okay,
so
on
the
motion
introduced
reports
carried
carried
postponements
and
deferrals
City
Council
June
25th
meeting
to
consider
engineer's
report
under
the
drainage
act.
There
was
an
issue
involving
some
of
the
costing
and
I
believe
in
the
interim.
It's
been
worked
out
in
councilor.
Moffitt
has
a
motion
seconded
by
Councillor
tyranny.
Councillor
Moffat,
please!
If
you
could
introduce
the
motion.
Thank.
A
You
I
know
that
Musil
dreams
are
quite
often
the
most
compelling
thing
that
council
does
quite
off
tonight.
Anyways
I'll
get
right
to
it,
whereas
the
proposed
Arbuckle
jorian
is
before
council
for
first
and
second
reading,
and
whereas
the
drainage
works
to
be
completed
through
the
proposed
Arbuckle
drain
will
address
erosion
concerns
resulting.
F
B
Ok,
so
staff
are
supportive
of
this.
On
the
motion
carried
on
the
report
is
amendment
carried
next
item.
Is
agricultural
rural
affairs
committee
report
number
43,
zoning
bylaw,
two
three,
four,
nine
two,
four
three:
seven
Karp
Road
and
512
William
Mooney
Road
councillor
else
and
tier
II.
Don't
think
this
as
a
contentious
issue
as
a
amendment
if
you'd
like
to
introduce
it
now.
Yes,.
A
Yes,
mr.
mayor,
first
of
all,
thank
you
very
much.
Also
I
like
to
direct
staff.
We
heard
earlier
from
mr.
Moser
about
question
council
caddies,
submitted
at
the
agricultural
fair
committee
of
lactose
question-answer
to
be
part
of
the
minute
of
this
fire,
but
also
submit
there's
a
motion
here,
we're
talking
about
where
the
zoning
has
a
hold
and
on
and
I
had
asked
that
at
the
agricultural
committee
wishes
to
be
formally
notified
of
the
lifting
of
the
holding
provision
for
the
zoning
of
the
Wescott
Environmental
Center
prior
to
their
marason
to
City.
A
Council,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
City
Council
direct
staff
provide
an
information
report
to
the
agriculture
or
Affairs
Committee.
With
respect
to
a
final
resolution
of
the
holding
provision
in
respect
to
the
West
cotton
Environmental,
Center
prior
to
bylaw
have
been
submitted
to
Council
just
to
make
sure
mr.
Morelle,
the
lifting
of
the
zoning
will
come
after
Holden
will
come
to
the
committee
and
council.
Okay
thank.
B
E
B
A
B
Am
six
front
ending
agreement
for
modification
of
the
Gloucester
East
urban
community
stormwater
management,
pond
number
one
and
fish
habitat
compensation?
Okay,
carry
item
number
seven
precedent,
Carling
district
secondary
plan.
We
have
a
number
of
motions,
so
we'll
come
back
to
that
zoning.
Bylaw
amendment
93
105,
Norman
Street.
B
Heritage
Conservation
District
carried
item
number
11
designation
of
the
horticultural
building
Lansdowne
park
under
part
4
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act
carried
item
number
12
application
to
alter
the
Brentwood
gates,
a
structure
designated
under
part
four
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
located
the
junction
of
Beckworth
and
Main
Street
I,
just
I,
don't
know
who
can
answer
this
I
wanted
to
know.
Where
are
we
moving
the
gates?
Are
they
just
being
moved
back
in
and
who's
paying
for
it?
Mr.
Moser,
you.
B
On
the
report
carried
item,
number
13
application
for
demolition
of
five
sixty
five
and
five
seven
five
old
Prospect
Road
is
being
held
councillor
Clark
item
number
14,
zoning
bylaw
amendment
375,
Didsbury,
Road
and
part
of
three
four
five
Didsbury
Road
carried
item
15
zoning
anomalies
and
minor
Corrections,
a
portion
of
11:23
Old
Montreal
Road
zone
as
anomaly.
It
could
have
shown
me
now
helped
out
see
that
washer
man
old
montreal
carried
item
number
16
expenditure
for
upgrades
to
the
Monaghan's
stormwater
management
facility
carried
Thank,
You
Council.
B
H
B
Number
nineteen
demolition
of
207
209,
Murray,
Street
carriage
item
number
20
street
names
for
private
roads
for
Lansdowne,
Park,
buried
transportation
committee
report,
number
39,
temporary
outdoor
patio,
encroachment,
225,
Strathcona,
Avenue,
carried
item
number
22,
W,
finds
within
school
areas
and
school
speed
zones
at
up
day,
carried
item
number
23,
st.
Patrick,
Street
multi-use
pathway,
motion
and
there's
an
amendment
from
councillor
flurry.
A
J
B
B
A
B
Right,
the
next
item
I
have
madam
deputy
clerk,
is
Preston
Carling
district
secondary
plan.
We
do
have
a
number
of
motions,
so
I
will
go
through
them
in
the
order
I've
received
them.
The
first
is
an
omnibus
motion,
technical
amendments
and
those
motions
supported
by
staff
moved
by
councillor
Hume
seconded
by
Councillor,
Hart
or
counselor.
Here,
please.
I
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
you'll,
see
that
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
a
technical
amendment
that
changes
some
minor
wording
and
incorporates
a
motion
that
was
moved
committee
with
respect
to
an
area
why
traffic
study
that
was
was
proposed
and
another,
a
number
of
other
minor
motions
with
respect
to
Bayswater
south
of
Gladstone,
the
champagne
you
saw
the
beach
classified
as
local
roads
and
some
other
ones
that
the
that
were
moved
at
a
committee
by
the
respective
councillors
were
reviewed
by
staff
and
are
in
agreement.
So
does.
B
I
You
mr.
mayor-
and
this
is
if
I
can
have
the
attention
of
members
of
council
for
a
minute-
this
is
a
more
substantial
one
of
the
more
substantial
issues
that
we'll
be
debating
within
the
discussion
of
the
secondary
plan
currently
and
you'll,
see
that
that
staff
have
put
forward
a
plan
that
takes
the
highest
Heights
along
carling,
avenue,
steps
them
down
or
transitions
them
down
to
a
nine-story
profile
and
and
transitions
down
to
the
very
low-profile
neighborhood
in
the
core
of
the
Carling
person
calling
District
Secondary
dairy
plan
and
what
this
motion
seeks
to
do.
I
But
that's
in
a
perfect
situation,
and
quite
frankly,
we
in
our
strategic
directions
have
always
indicated
that
that's
what
we
wanted
to
do,
because
we
thought
that
that
was
the
the
best
of
transition
to
have.
Unfortunately,
in
the
community,
doesn't
necessarily
see
it
that
way.
They
they
believe
that
that
that
transition,
although
probably
from
a
from
a
planning
perspective
and
our
planning
staff-
will
tell
you
appropriate-
is-
is
a.
I
There
is
a
fear-
and
you
know,
I-
think
it's
justified
or
not,
depending
on
your
perspective,
that
the
transition
will
lead
to
erosion
of
the
fabric
of
the
of
the
low
profile
fabric.
I,
don't
believe
it
will
in
in
my
own
mind,
but
I
think
that
this
is
an
opportunity
where
we
can
say
to
the
communique.
I
We
hear
you
we
understand
and
we
can
point
to
a
lot
of
examples
in
our
own
areas
and
in
my
own
or
I
can
point
to
any
number
of
them
where
we
transition
from
our
very
highest
heights,
you
single-family
homes.
So
it's
not
unique.
What
the
what
the
community
is
asking
us
to
do.
Staff,
of
course,
don't
support
this.
I
They
believe
that
the
appropriate
transition
and
is
and
from
a
pure
plank
perspective,
they're
right
going
from
not
going
from
the
highest
heights
to
nine
to
four,
but
in
recognition
of
you
know
the
very
unique
fabric
that
that
we
see
here.
The
community
is
saying
you
know
we
understand
that,
but
we
believe
that
that
we
don't
need
that
transition,
so
yeah
it's
nice
to
have,
but
we
don't
need
it.
We
don't
think
in
order
to
provide
a
buffer
between
our
highest
Heights
and
our
lowest
Heights.
We
need
that
transition
and
I
frankly
agree
with
them.
I
We
don't
you,
don't
always
need
that
that
buffer
that
transition
and
because
in
our
own
communities
we
see-
and
we
have
examples
of
them
where
we
don't
have
those
transitions
and
the
land
uses
function
quite
well
together.
So
mr.
mayor
I
would
commend
council
to
this.
This
motion
understanding
that
staff
don't
support
staff,
don't
support
it
and
that
we
have
been
saying.
I
You
know
that
the
appropriate
transition
is
to
9,
but
we
need
to
recognize
in
some
cases
that
you
know
the
community
has
stated
you
know
we
really
don't
need
this
transition
and
we
would
prefer
that
the
fabric
remain
at
a
4-story
level.
So
I
think
that
this
is
one
of
these.
You
know
rare
cases.
Mr.
mr.
I
mayor,
where
you
know
the
communities
come
forward
and
said,
although
that
not
change
in
that
that
transition
is
nice,
it's
not
something
that's
needed
and
that
they
would
prefer
to
remain
that
that
four-story
fabric
remain
and
that
we
do
away
with
with
that
transition.
They
believe
that
that
will
better
protect
the
interior
fabric
of
four
stories
and
I
would
commend
the
motion
to
you
and
ask
that
you
approve
it.
C
C
There
would
be
no
closing
the
whole
street
for
Italian
week,
so
the
residents
and
the
BIA
are
very
concerned
about
protecting
that
low-rise
characteristic
of
the
village
of
Little,
Italy
and
they're
very
strongly
in
support
of
the
four
storey,
because
that
is
the
historical
village
and
it's
a
very
interesting
mixed-use
village,
with
commercial
and
industrial
uses
in
the
backyards.
It's
exactly
what
this
whole
plan.
This
whole
Preston
Carling
plan
is
about
to
bring
about
a
mixed-use
area.
C
So
it
is
very
important
that
the
four
story
remain
as
much
as
possible
in
most
of
the
areas
in
this
most
of
the
streets
in
this
area,
and
the
Adaline
example
is
a
matter
that
the
residents
are
very
concerned
about
the
undermining
of
the
four
storey.
If
there
is
a
nine
story
situation
on
the
books
and
that
it's
going
to
create
a
lack
of
certainty
in
the
area
for
people
who
have
bought
and
who
are
planning
to
stay
there,
they
want
to
maintain
a
four
story:
neighborhood,
so
I
support,
Council
human.
His
recommendation,
mr.
C
chair,
that
that
nine
story
stepping
down
isn't
necessary,
especially
when
you
look
at
Rochester
Street
and
there's
an
18-story
stepping
down
right
to
four
storeys
just
to
the
west
of
the
Rochester
Street
development.
So
that
goes
from
18
to
four,
then
why
would
we
not
do
this
with
the
20
and
18
on
add
line
and
there's
a
road
between
the
Adaline
height
on
the
south
side
and
the
low-rise
on
the
north
side
of
Adaline,
whereas
on
rochester
there's,
no
height,
there's
no
street?
C
B
The
next
motion
is
by
councillor
Holmes
seconded
by
Councillor
Clarke
on
Norman
Street,
and
just
for
clarification,
because
we
have
Norman
Street
on
as
the
next
item
this
as
I
understand
it.
Madam
deputy
clerk
would
supersede
that
item
if
this
has
passed.
What's
that
they
affect
one
another.
Yes,
okay,
councillor
Holmes,
you
like
to
introduce
your
motion:
I,
don't.
B
C
K
Mr.
Mara
should
council
Holmes
motion,
Karianna
I'm
sorry
was
at
the
side
I'm
assuming
this
is
the
one
to
go
down
to
four
storeys.
Then
staff
will
have
a
motion
prepared
for
a
refusal
of
the
normal
report,
so
it
affects
it.
It
would
require
further
motions
open
when
the
zoning
in
front
of
Council
mr.
mayor
so.
C
C
Some
of
the
changes
include
the
nine
story
along
all.
The
properties
on
the
o
train
have
been
removed,
and
that
was
because
this,
the
muse
and
the
Street
has
been
removed
removed
and
there
is
significant
transportation
difficulties.
The
location
of
proposed,
open
space
has
been
removed,
has
been
changed,
that
a
location
that
was
going
to
be
added
to
have
Tremblay
Park
is
now
not
going
to
be.
The
detailed
design
of
the
Dow
Honda
site
has
been
significantly
changed.
We
have
an
extra
Tower
on
that
site.
C
The
mobility
bridges
there
were
a
car
and
truck
bridges
over
Hickory
and
Yonge,
and
they
have
been
changed
to
pedestrian
and
cycling,
bridges,
the
various
tower
locations
and
heights.
The
maximum
Heights
have
been
changed.
The
traditional
Main
Street
designation
for
Preston
Street
between
Adeline
and
Carling,
has
been
removed.
C
The
boundaries
of
the
station
area
have
changed
and
there's
an
introduction
of
a
neighborhood
line,
so
these
are
all
changes
that
have
come
about
as
a
result
of
the
staff
going
back
with
the
strategic
directions
to
see
which
of
the
directions
would
hold
and
which
would
change
depending
on
the
input
coming
in.
So
there
is
no
reason
for
not
changing
the
height
on
Norman
Street,
because
every
other
street
that
dead
ends
from
Carling
to
Albert
is
at
four
storeys.
C
So
Norman
is
certainly
the
anomaly
and
why
Norman,
when
every
other
Street
has
been
determined
to
that
nine
stories
is
not
acceptable.
Well,
one
of
the
reasons
is
the
transportation
capacity.
It's
a
very
narrow
street,
at
7
meters,
from
curb
to
curb
and
with
snow
in
the
winter.
Of
course,
it's
down
to
about
five
meters.
So
how
do
you
get
at
the
present?
C
There's
this
buildings
on
the
south
side
of
Norman
that
are
going
to
face
that
tower.
It's
really
an
anomaly
in
this
whole
area
and
will
really
overpower
those
small
residences
that
are
in
this
area,
they're,
very
narrow
lots
with
small
houses.
So
it
is
a
problem
that
we
continue
to
provide
the
staff
recommendation
for
nine
stories
in
this
area.
C
A
K
Mr.
mayor,
with
respect
to
the
first
question
posed
by
councilor
shoe
alley,
members
of
council
will
know
that
from
past
items
have
gone
same
unto
the
entire
miss
board,
where
staff
are
on
one
side.
Planning
staff
are
on
one
side
and
Council
on
another
Council
is
successful,
25%
of
the
time
and
the
other
75%
council
is
not
successful,
so
I
provide
that
information.
By
way
of
background.
B
D
K
L
L
System
in
that
relation
to
what
councillor
shoe
alley
was
discussing
about
the
the
relation
of
he
was
discussing
in
relation
to
another
notion,
but
in
relation
to
what
the
separate
stream
on
this
particular
issue,
as
this
has
already
been
to
planning
committee
and
has
been
approved
by
Planning,
Committee
and
I,
think
you've
explained
that
it
would
cause
a
refusal
motion.
But
I
just
wanted
you
to
explain
further
what
what
that
sort
of
means
and
what
the
implications
are
for
council.
K
Mr.
Mehra,
if
the
motion
to
we
designate
the
lands
to
4
storeys
carries
with
respect
to
the
Official
Plan
amendment,
one
would
anticipate
that,
given
that
the
zoning
bylaw
proposes
nine
and
four
storeys
that
there
will
be
a
motion
to
refuse
that
zoning
amendment
and
if
that
also
carries,
then
one
can
further
anticipate
that
such
refusal
will
be
appealed
to
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board.
The
developer
has
a
private
official
client
amendment
application
that
was
before
the
city.
It
was
not
brought
forward
to
committee
because
of
the
Preston
Carlene
official
plan.
Amendment
coming
forward.
L
I
And
further
complications
to
this,
but
this
is
we've
made
this,
unfortunately
through
our
actions
with
the
strategic
directions
incredibly
complicated,
because
not
only
are
the
strategic
directions
giving
support
for
the
9
storeys
Council's
approval
of
the
of
the
strategic
directions,
but
it's
further
complicated
by
the
existing
opie
and
conflicting
secondary
plan.
So
mr.
mark
mean
this
implements
the
strategic
directions
document.
K
I
I
I
The
unfortunately
we're
not
going
to
have
the
luxury
of
being
able
to
test
the
zoning
application
against
a
much
more
rigid
and
constrictive
planning
regime
such
as
we've
just
approved
on
Adaline
street,
and
so
this
is
a
case
and
one
of
those
I
mean
it's
not
unfortunate,
but
one
of
those
areas
where
the
the
choices
for
council,
in
my
opinion,
are
limited
and
what
you
have
before
you,
in
my
opinion,
is
the
best
that
council
is
going
to
do
on
this.
This
site.
We
we
have
done
and
council
homes
is
right.
I
I
mayor,
the
the
options
for
council
are
limited
and
I
believe
that
this
rep,
the
best
of
a
very
difficult
and
conflicted
situation
so
I,
would,
I
would
recommend,
counsel,
as
we
did
a
planning
committee,
that
they
adopt
this
this
amendment
and
adopt
the
zoning,
thereby
concluding
the
with
some
other
motions,
the
secondary
plan,
which,
by
and
large,
in
my
opinion,
protects
the
the
existing
four-story
fabric
that
is
so
indicative
of
the
the
Little
Italy
community.
So
mr.
mayor,
that
is
what
I
would
convey
to
Council
hey.
Thank
you,
accounts
right
light.
K
Remark
so
am
I
correct
that
the
the
nine
story
idea
was
originally
predicated
on
there
being
the
Meuse,
and
now
that
we've
decided
some
time
ago,
there
wasn't
going
to
be
a
muse.
Where
does
that
leave
the
nine
stories?
Mr.
Mehra
I
believe
that
questions
best
answered
by
planning,
as
opposed
to
vehicle.
M
K
M
Mr.
Mehra,
in
in
this
general
area,
where
the
news
was
a
factor,
staff
did
evaluate
and
given
the
fact
that
we
are
not
adding
the
Meuse
in,
we
did
adjust
the
strategic
directions
report
to
ensure
there
were
four
stories
in
other
areas
because
of
the
traffic
and
moving
people
around
in
the
lack
of
ease
of
doing
that.
That
is
correct.
So.
K
M
This
particular
site
is
unique.
It's
at
the
end
of
the
news,
it's
not
in
the
middle
of
the
low-rise
Little
Italy
area
and
it
abuts
the
mixed-use
Main
Street
of
six
stories,
and
there
are
no
other
residential
buildings
between
this
property
and
Preston
Street
on
the
north
side
of
Norman
was
it
was
felt
that
this
was
also
a
unique
opportunity
for
intensification
in
this
particular
area.
Okay,.
K
F
Okay,
thank
you.
Mr.
mayor
the,
as
was
indicated
by
councillor
Hume,
the
application
was
filed
prior
to
strategic
directions
being
approved
and
prior
to
the
implementing
secondary
plan,
as
before
council,
today
being
being
finalised
and
brought
forward.
So
the
policy
regime
that
the
application,
when
it
was
submitted
for
Norman
would
be
considered
against
is
the
policy
framework
that
was
in
place
at
that
time.
It
was
indicated
it's
a
mixed
use,
center
designation,
which
does
allow
for
the
highest-profile
buildings
to
be
accommodated
in
proximity
to
transit.
F
This
site
is
approximately
three
meters
from
the
cargo
train
station.
The
initial
application
when
it
first
came
in
was
after
proposing
18
stories
and
through
the
process
of
working
through
the
strategic
directions
and
working
through
the
development
of
the
secondary
plan.
It
was
brought
down
to
a
nine
story
profile
which,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
staff
fell
couple
with
mist.
F
Them
identified
some
of
the
unique
circumstances
associated
with
this
site
that
allowed
us
to
feel
that
this
was
appropriate
and
hence
the
recommendation
that
was
brought
forward
to
committee
to
approve
the
the
site-specific
rezoning
on
my
Norman
so
but
it
could
have
gone
at
the
initial
application
was
for
18.
They
could
have
made
an
application
for
something
higher.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
we
felt
in
mind
was
the
past
a
four
to
take
her
location.
F
D
I
A
D
F
Mr.
mayor,
that's
correct,
the
potential
is
there
I
mean
we
don't
know
at
the
end
of
the
day
or
what
the
property
owner
might
decide
to
do.
Clearly,
they
were
comfortable
with
the
nine
story,
moving
forward
with
that,
but
I
can't
speculate
or
or
indicate
other
than
to
say
that
the
official
plan
minute
plan,
amendment
application
that
was
filed
by
the
owner
sought
18
stories,
whether
they
go
back
to
that
I
can't
say
right.
B
F
I
think,
mr.
mayor,
the
the
circumstance
of
this
property
is
because
the
property
extends
and
occupies
all
of
the
properties
on
the
north
side
of
Norman,
extending
from
the
old
train
corridor
to
the
back
property
line
of
the
process,
three
properties
and,
as
is
reflected
on
the
plan
that
was
developed
for
the
nine
story.
The
access
in
fact,
is
being
provided
right
behind
the
Preston
Street
commercial.
F
So
it's
not
a
situation
where
they're
looking
at
introducing
additional
traffic
flow
past
the
back
of
the
present
property,
it's
down,
Norman
Street
traffic
would
be
diverting
into
the
property
into
the
blue-gray
parking.
The
architect.
Our
planning
committee
also
clarified
that
the
loading
activity
for
the
current
proposed
of
the
nine
story
proposal
was
intended
to
be
accommodated
within
the
parking
garage.
I
would
anticipate
if
they
were
looking
at
doing
a
modified
scheme
with
an
18-story
element
as
opposed
to
a
nine-story
element.
F
Those
same
principles
would
apply,
so
it's
not
a
situation
of
traffic
having
to
go
down
the
full
length
of
Norman.
It
would
be
cutting
into
the
site
just
past
Preston,
Street
so
and
I
believe
that
a
traffic
study
was
submitted
with
the
with
the
original
application
for
18
stories,
and
the
indication
was
that
the
traffic
could
be
accommodated
on
the
road
network.
F
G
F
F
Mr.
mayor
I
just
got
the
information
on
the
traffic
generation
and
for
the
a.m.
peak
period
it
would
be
a
total
of
40
40
trips
and
for
the
p.m.
peak
period
it
would
be
a
total
of
37
trips
so
that
the
numbers
are
not
incredibly
high
and
at
that
intersection
they
would
have
to
wait
for
the
brakes
in
the
traffic
to
make
the
turns
onto
Preston
Street.
F
F
John,
that's
correct
the
tower
portion.
It's
only
located
on
a
portion
of
the
property,
so
currently
the
tower
it's
focused
on
the
western
portion
for
the
nine
story
element.
That's
where
the
18
story
element
would
go
so
in
terms
of
the
additional
height
from
9
to
18.
Given
that
there's
also
the
five
story
element
which
I
would
anticipate
would
remain,
I
would
expect
you'd
be
looking
at
probably
an
additional
25
vehicles
in
the
ANP
grades.
G
Yeah,
you
know
I,
look
at
this
stuff
and
I.
If
there's
112
units
in
nine
story,
it's
224
units,
an
18
story
that
speaks
to
me
of
a
lot
more
than
40
cars.
However,
I'm
sure
that
the
you
know,
I
just
don't
see
all
those
people
pulling
13
feet
or
30
feet
or
whatever
number
it
is
from
wherever
they
exit
their
garage
out
to
Preston,
Street
and
trying
to
get
on
to
the
road
in
the
morning
rush
hour.
G
B
Thank
you.
Anyone
else,
just
a
couple
of
comments
on
this
in
terms
of
the
I
can't
recall
who
said
that
there
was
basically
this
would
not
be
an
anomaly
yet
I
look
at
the
map
and
it
looks
like
it.
It
would
be
an
anomaly
in
the
whole
area
of
Little
Italy,
with
the
exception
of
the
the
outskirts
of
Carling
and
Rochester
and
so
on,
which
is
what
we've
always
pushed
for
as
a
council
as
intensification
on
the
fringes
of
the
community,
not
in
the
middle.
B
M
Mayor
it
is,
it
is
on
the
edge
of
the
riser
and,
as
you
can
see,
but
the
map
it's
surrounded
by
six
stories.
It's
not
surrounded
by
four
stories.
The
middle
part
of
the
neighborhood
is
is,
as
four
stories
were
identifying,
but
in
this
Norman
Street
area
it
is
unique
and
so
much
as
its
surrounded
by
six
story.
Buildings
well.
B
Charlie
Brown
can
we
fix
that?
Well,
any
any
of
that
I
I
think
it's
I
think
the
it
is
right
across
the
street
from
four-story.
You've
got.
You
know
just
down
the
street
on
George
and
Jung
no
collection,
the
George
Jung
in
my
office,
four
stories
and
it's
a
dead-end
street,
so
the
difficulty
I
have
with
this
and
why
I'm
going
to
support
councilor
homes
and
Clark's
motion?
B
Think
about
this
in
your
own
ward,
for
a
minute,
I've
often
gone
around
center
town
and
built
up
areas
and
wondered
who,
in
the
right
mind
approved
these
massive
towers
in
the
middle
of
a
residential
area
that
are
not
on
the
fringe,
aren't
on
a
collector
Lane
aren't
on
a
regional
road
but
are
in
fact
right
in
the
middle
of
the
neighborhood.
The
street
is
narrow.
I
went
down
there
a
couple
of
days
ago
to
take
a
look.
It's
a
very
narrow
street,
there's
already
substantial
density
going
into
this
neighborhood.
B
It's
a
dead-end
street
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
disaster
for
traffic
and
parking
I
know
from
experience
on
Aberdeen
when
I
go
to
board
meetings
that
invest
Ottawa.
It
is
a
nightmare
trying
to
find
a
parking
spot
there.
People
are
blocking
people
in
there's,
not
enough
curb
length
and
so
on
so
I
think
four
storeys
is
much
more
compatible,
I
think
we're
being
very
generous
and
the
rest
of
the
the
plan.
B
A
A
B
B
C
C
Well,
mr.
chair,
we
have
the
same
dilemma
on
Yonge
Street.
That
is
right
up
against
the
Queens
Way,
but
Yonge
Street
backs
on
to
George
Street.
So
we
have
15
stories
here
where
the
recommendation
in
this
plan
is
to
allow
15
stories,
because
it's
close
to
the
Queens
Way,
but
forgetting
about
the
south
of
that
15
story.
Building
is
George
Street
with
its
one
and
two
story:
buildings
on
very
narrow
Lots.
C
So
we
have
the
same
kind
of
dilemma
here
and
the
same
kind
of
recommendation
from
both
the
the
Preston
Street
BIA,
as
well
as
the
residents
of
the
area
and
the
Dalhousie
Community
Association
that
we
have
to
try
and
maintain
Little
Italy
as
a
neighborhood.
That
is
the
Italian
heart
of
the
Italian
community
in
town.
So
it's
the
cultural
center,
the
business
center
of
the
Italian
community.
C
So
if
we
undermine
Little
Italy,
we
really
have
lost
a
major
tourist
attraction,
a
major
reason
for
people
going
to
this
area
to
shop
and
eat
and
enjoy
the
ambience
and
the
Sun,
that's
so
necessary
for
the
health
of
our
residents
and
for
the
businesses
on
Preston
Street.
So
it
is
a
problem,
mr.
mayor,
that
we
have
15
stories
on
Yonge.
That
really
starts
to
crowd
in
15
stories
at
the
North
18
stories
on
Rochester
3540
stories
down
at
Danna
Carling.
C
C
No
doubt
someone
has
talked
to
the
Planning
Department
and
that's
why
we
have
that
15
story
statement
on
the
map,
but
really
there's
no
active
application,
and
that
really
starts
to
undermine
the
small
businesses.
The
small
buildings
on
George
Street,
the
Northside
of
George
that
are
going
to
abut
this
building
on
Yonge
Street.
C
That
is
a
village
as
seen
by
our
residents.
So
it
is
really
important.
Mr.
mayor
that
this
15
story
not
go
forward,
it
will
start
to
undermine
the
residential
to
the
south,
as
we
have
seen
when
there's
one
nine
story
ability
on
Norman.
Now
we
see
request
for
more
nine
stories.
That's
what
happens
when
you
have
threats
on
and
against
the
small
residential
buildings
on
east
and
west
of
Preston.
So
I
asked
counsel
not
to
support
the
15
stories
that
is
coming
forward.
C
B
Okay,
I
think
we've
been
told
that
if
we
reboot
the
system,
it
will
get
rid
of
the
crackling.
So
we'll
do
that
now.
It'll
take
two
to
three
minutes.
So
if
the
control
booth
story
counts
their
homes,
but
I
think
it's
better
to
get
this
fixed
now.
So
we'll
take
a
two
to
three
minute
recess
and
the
deputy
clerk
will.
Let
us
know
what
it's
fixed.
L
L
B
B
C
C
It
is
a
problem,
another
very
narrow
street,
with
limited
ability
for
transportation
access,
and
it
will
significantly
reduce
the
livability
of
the
buildings
directly
behind
on
George.
So
you
know
it's
a
really
in
appropriate
location,
even
though
it's
close
to
the
Queensway,
you
know
our
consultant
decided
that
the
Queensway
off-ramp
would
make
a
wonderful
park.
So
it's
on
our
map
as
a
parkland,
even
though
it's
35
degree
grade
and
it's
an
off-ramp.
It
is
a
part
for
us.
Mr.
C
yeah,
we
have
very
limited
green
space
and
this
little
turning
area
is
that
is
a
very
nice
restful
area
in
this
in
this
very
busy
neighborhood.
So
I'm
asking
mr.
mayor
because
of
all
the
intensification
that
we
are
accepting
that
we
have
in
this
neighborhood
that
we
don't
have
to
take
all
the
four-story
capacity,
that
is,
the
family
housing
that
is
the
affordable
housing
that
provides
us
with
some
range
of
different
uses
and
different
buildings.
C
N
You,
mr.
mayor,
this
is
a
very
important
moment
to
take
a
closer
look
at
our
intensification
policy.
For
all
the
right
reasons,
we
adopted
an
intensification
policy,
but
somehow
or
other
we
came
to
a
fork
in
the
road
and
we
went
headlong
down
the
road
which
is
height,
equals,
intensification
and
I.
Think
that's
a
mistake.
N
There
are
places
and
occasions
where
height
is
appropriate,
but
there
are
many
vibrant,
attractive
popular
neighborhoods
in
North
America,
not
just
in
Europe,
where
they
have
achieved
intensification
with
relatively
minimal
additional
height,
and
by
doing
that,
they've
been
able
to
preserve
the
character
of
the
neighborhood,
and
that's
we
really
have
to
get
down
to
here
with
Little
Italy
is
we
call
Little
Italy?
It
has
a
name.
It
has
a
reputation,
it
has
character,
people
go
there,
it
has
festivals.
N
It's
known,
it's
got
signs
off
the
Queensway
pointing
to
it,
but
if
we
are
not
very
careful
with
what
we
are
adopting
right
now,
the
direction
we
are
adopting
right
now
today,
then
I'm,
not
exaggerating
when
I
say
we'll,
have
to
call
it.
The
former
Italy
Little
Italy
that
there
are
neighborhoods
in
this
city
that
have
a
reputation
that
they
will
no
longer
deserve,
because
they
will
not
be
what
we
remembered
them
as
it
will
be
a
romantic.
N
You
know,
memory
of
something
that
they
used
to
be,
and
so
people
who
are
now
investing
builders
developers
investing
residents
moving
into
the
units
and
moving
into
a
neighborhood
upon
discovering
that
they
weren't
the
only
one
doing
that
and
actually
the
neighborhood
that
they
were
moving
to
is
already
being
eroded.
They'll
be
disappointed
to
discover
that
the
value
of
the
investment
will
go
down
and
we
will
have
lost
something
really
fundamental
about
the
character
of
our
older
neighborhoods
I
think
it
is
absolutely
essential.
N
We
preserve
them
so
at
this
work,
that's
been
going
on
for
years
now,
and
this
area
has
done
is
defined
the
periphery
areas,
where
it's
appropriate
to
build
tall
and,
unfortunately,
I
think
we've
gone
too
far
in
these
cases
that
are
being
brought
to
our
attention
today
of
the
little
streets
in
the
middle,
not
on
the
outer
edges
on
the
bigger
roads,
but
right
down
on
small
streets.
I
think
this
is
where
we
have
to
draw
the
line.
N
L
L
You
know,
contrary
to
wanting
to
have
something
low
here.
But
but
it
really
is
it's
a
little
park
area
today
and
you
know
our
official
plan.
We
don't
build
high-rises
right
in
in
front
of
parks
that
that
shade
parks
and
and
and
this
this
has
an
opportunity
for
for
the
for
the
retention
of
this
little
park
area,
so
I
very
much
support
council
homes
motion
to
limit
the
statistics
stories
thanks
Thank.
K
Think,
first
ma'am
I'll
keep
this
brief.
It's
it's
getting
late
in
the
day,
but
my
ward
is
the
home
to
the
Italian
Canadian
historical
center
and
I
very
much
appreciate
that
facility.
I
go
to
many
events
there,
but
the
last
thing
I
want
to
see
there
is
a
historical
exhibit
about
what
Little
Italy
was
I
would
much
prefer
to
see.
Little
Italy
continue
to
be
a
vibrant
alive
community
for
everybody
in
the
community.
Every
buddy
in
the
city
to
enjoy,
and
so
I
will
be
supporting
this
motion.
B
They
may
not
want
to
speak
to
you
after
your
last
vote.
Councillor.
Okay,
so
we
have
a
motion.
Councillor
Holmes,
saying
about
councillor
Clark
on
Yonge
Street
I'm
not
going
to
support
this
because
again,
our
going
back
to
my
position
with
respect
to
the
outer
edges
of
the
community.
This
does
about
the
417
and
the
railway
crossing
and
I
believe
it's
more
appropriate
to
have
higher
density
on
the
fringes
of
the
community
supposed
to
inside.
So
yeas
and
nays
are
in
counselor
homes
motion.
Please.
G
K
A
A
B
C
Thanks
mr.
mayor
for
those
of
you
who
have
the
map
before
you,
there
is
a
plan
to
invest
in
this
area
and
to
do
the
Planning
Department
credit.
They
have
costed
out
all
the
improvements
that
are
planned
for
this
area.
So
we
look
at
some
ability
to
plant
more
trees,
we're
looking
at
par
ket's
we're
looking
at
pedestrian
bridges
over
the
O
train,
all
investments
into
the
public
realm.
C
C
So
it
looks
like
it's
going
to
be
a
good
deal
of
money
coming
from
the
area.
That's
in
my
ward
to
the
east
of
the
O
train,
the
Dow
Honda
site,
for
example,
is
going
to
see
significant
increase.
So
what
the?
What
this
motion
talks
about
in
the
plan
is
that
the
monies
raised
from
inside
this
area
inside
the
development
area
will
go
to
this,
mainly
the
station
area,
but
also
ever
Tremblay
Park
and
that's
good,
because
my
residents
use
that
park
as
well.
But
it's
a
big
disappointment
to
people.
In
my
ward.
C
We
have
the
least
amount
of
green
space
in
the
city,
and
yet
we
are
going
to
be
improving
parts
of
the
world
that
are
going
to
not
see.
Certainly
the
new
residents
will
benefit
in
the
station
area,
but
one
of
the
main
priorities
of
my
ward
is
Rochester
Street
to
improve
the
cycling
and
pedestrian
and
tree
planting
on
Rochester
to
turn
that
into
a
much
more
welcoming
Street,
a
complete
Street.
So
obviously
that
won't
now
happen
for
20
years,
because
the
priority
area
is
going
to
take
all
the
funding
that
can
be
realized.
So,
mr.
C
mayor,
that's
a
problem
that
the
money
is
going
to
go
into
the
area
west
of
the
O
train,
as
well
as
the
station
area.
That's
right
on
on
Carling,
so
it's
28
million
dollars
for
the
first
20
years
and
then,
but
to
do
the
whole
area
it's
about
84
million
dollars
and
that
would
include
doing
Carling,
which
is
badly
in
need
of
redesign.
C
It
is
an
underutilized
highway,
ugly,
no
trees,
skimpy
sidewalks,
no
sign
no
cycling
capacity,
so
it
certainly
does
need
improvement,
and
it's
great
to
see
that
it's
on
the
list
and
a
very
small
piece
of
it
will
be
done
in
this
20
year
period.
But
for
the
20
years
for
most
of
the
ward,
that
I
represent
there'll
be
very
little
investment
and
we
have
lots
of
lots
of
tree-lined
streets
on
the
map,
but
nothing's
going
to
happen
for
20
years
on
those
small
streets
that
we
just
talked
about
today
and
in
particular
on
Rochester
Street.
C
I
You
know
why
if
the
developments
have
a
no
long
Rochester,
should
we
be
prioritizing
the
the
public
realm
improvements
and
trees
and
cycling
or
whatever
it
is
along
Rochester,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
that
this
motion
does
that
I
thought
of
it
and,
if
I'm
wrong
in
that,
which
is
what
I
thought
our
intent
was
and
I
would
have
the
same
concern
if
I
were
her.
How
does
your
does
this
motion?
Make
sure
that
that
that
we
can
adjust
those
priorities
and
if
not,
what
does
the
policy
say
or
what
is
the
policy
allow?
Mr.
M
Maryk
cancel
humi
is
correct
in
that
in
our
secondary
plan
we
do
have
policies
that
will
identify
flexibility
in
order
for
us
to
apply
any
of
our
funds
that
we
receive
to
the
Rochester
area.
If
that
is
in
fact,
the
location
where
we're
starting
to
receive
a
lot
of
developments
and
funding
is
coming
through.
So
we
have
flexibility
within
our
policy
to
be
able
to
accommodate
that.
Okay.
M
M
M
M
In
essence
is
not
specific
enough
to
identify
that,
if
priority
projects
where
we
are
receiving
funding
in
Rochester
area,
that
we
would
shift
our
focus
just
to
the
public
ground
priority
that
being
the
area
I,
don't
believe
in
it
states
that
the
entire
time
a
priority
case.
We
can't
afford
all
those
projects.
I
I
I
We
think
development
is
going
to
occur
in
the
court
around
the
station
area
in
in
a
certain
area
and
therefore
we're
giving
prior
to
that
if
development
doesn't
occur,
there
we've
heard
that
it
goes
to.
We
can
be
that
funding
can
be
reallocated
so
I'm,
not
sure
that
this
is.
This
is
necessary
to
ensure
that
when
development
occurs
in
specific
spaces
that
public
realm
improvements
are
are
will
occur
in
in
that
area,
regardless
of
what
the
priority
area
is.
If
the
development
isn't
occurring
in
that
priority
area
is
that
mr.
M
I
So
I
guess
mr.
mr.
mayor
I
I'm
looking
for
a
little
more
clarity
on
from
the
counselor.
If
to
what
this,
what
she
actually
from
what
I've
heard
from
Miss
neden
and
from
what
means
I.
Don't
really
think
this
motion
is
necessary.
So
I
like
some
more
clarity
from
her
because
I
understand
her
concern
about.
You
know
how
we
best
can
ameliorate
that
concern
without
causing
the
whole
program
to
the
whole
public
realm
program
to
destabilize.
C
The
statements
in
the
plan
are
quite
clear
that
the
priority
areas
where
the
funding
for
the
next
20
years
is
to
go,
so
it
doesn't
say
clearly
that
if
development
happens
elsewhere,
the
money
will
definitely
go
elsewhere.
There
is
some
flexibility
and
it
may
go
elsewhere,
but
it
doesn't
say
definitely
that
if
the
development
is
happening
in
other
areas
that
that
funding
will
be
allocated
to
those
other
areas.
C
M
Number
D:
we
state
that
the
city
will
reexamine
the
eligibility
criteria
for
the
development
charge
applications
both
related
public
realm
improvement
projects
within
Preston
Carling
district.
So
we
interpret
that
to
mean
that
whether
we
are
receiving
and
funding
that
we
are
receiving,
we
would
then
reexamine
where
we'd
put
the
city's
investment
into
the
public
realm.
C
C
L
Mr.
mayor
I,
don't
want
to
take
very
long,
but
I
just
want
to
reiterate
the
fact
that
this
is
one
neighborhood
according
to
the
neighbors
and
everyone
uses
of
Tremblay
Park
and
the
priority
is
where
the
development
is
in
kitchen
supey
side,
we
have
one
new
condominium
completed
one
under
construction,
one
in
sales
and
one
in
site
plan,
and
it's,
and
so
it's
not
necessarily
true.
That
Rochester
is
where
the
development
is
is
happening,
but
I
I
am
willing
to.
L
You
know,
put
a
date
on
when
we
look
at
reviewing
this
priority
list.
If
we
want
to
do
it
every
five
years
based
on
the
development
patterns
but
from
my
perspective,
I'm
pleased
with
the
staff
report
in
terms
of
how
it
is
highlighted,
the
areas
to
be
improved
and
and
I
agree
with
the
review
and
and
I
agree
to
put
a
date
on
it.
If
that
would
help
councillor
Holmes
but
I'm,
not
in
agreement
with
them
spreading
out
farther
away
from
the
stations
area
on
the
priority
list.
Thanks.
K
A
E
A
B
A
L
I
have
something
to
say
about
it
thanks.
Mr.
mayor,
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
a
situation
where
we
have
some
existing
mid-rise
neighbors
that
will
have
the
potential
of
having
a
non-story
right
in
front
of
them.
What
I
find
is
that
we
give
a
lot
of
consideration
to
low-rise
residential
neighbors
that
are
in
existence,
but
in
some
cases
we
do
not
get
from
any
allowance
to
existing
neighbors
because
they
are
in
a
different
type
of
housing,
namely
a
mid-rise
or
a
high-rise.
L
So
what
I
am
asking
for
in
this
instance
is
to
you
know,
wait
right
now.
The
plan
calls
for
a
maximum
height
of
9
storeys,
that
current
zoning
allows
for
up
to
25
meters.
The
Lots
are
very
narrow,
and
it
really
does
provide
a
limited
opportunity
anyway
for
an
effective
separation
distance
between
the
buildings,
and
so
the
tininess
really
limits
the
possibility
of
liveable
appropriate
urban
design.
L
So
I
really
feel
that
we
need
to
take
into
account
the
existing
built
environment,
whether
that
be
you
know,
the
hundreds
of
residents
and
the
adjacent
condominium
buildings
that
will
be
boxed
in
or
if
it
was
single-family
homes
give
them.
The
same
regard
so
I
feel
that
reducing
the
height
limit
to
six
storeys
in
the
plan
and
zoning
it
to
20
meters
in
the
zoning
will
provide
us
with
a
better
streetscape
character
and
a
better
urban
design.
L
It
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
create
buildings
of
varying
heights
and
the
more
interesting,
skyline
and
I
just
think.
It's
important
to
note
that
zoning
prior
to
2008
on
these
properties
was
actually
18
point
3
meters,
so
that
the
change
to
20
meters
still
represents
an
increase
over
the
long
term,
so
I
think
also
it
will
provide
a
better
transition
westward
from
Carling
Station,
and
you
know,
we've
been
working
hard
with
the
Community
Association,
the
residents
of
the
adjacent
condominiums,
who
are
in
agreement
with
this
change
to
the
plan
to
six
storeys.
Thank
you,
I.
E
I
Mr.
mayor
mr.
mayor
I
mean
I,
think
I
hear
council
Hobbs,
but
the
fact
of
this
situation
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
the
normal
situation
we
see
before
us,
because
what
we're
actually
doing
here
is
down
zoning
the
properties.
So
the
zoning
right
that
exists
today
on
this
property
allows
them
to
do
what
the
CDP
is
proposing.
So
the
CDP
isn't
giving
these
properties
more
development
rights,
the
development
rights
that
they
have
are
exist
today.
I
So
what
we're
actually
doing
is
we're
downzoning
them
and
the
test
for
downzoning
is
not
is
not
a
simple
test.
It's
actually
and
mr.
Markin
can
help
me
here
if
I'm
wrong,
but
the
test
to
downzoning
a
property
is
counsel
has
to
be
convinced
that
there
is
an
overwhelming
public
benefit,
not
a
benefit
to
the
neighborhood
or
the
the
abutting
property,
but
an
overwhelming
public
benefit
in
order
to
have
the
rights
that
are
granted
that
that
property
currently
enjoys
taken
away,
and
so
that's
what
we're
we're
doing
here
now.
Mr.
I
Yes,
so
I
would
just
say
mr.
mayor,
although
I
I'm,
sympathetic
to
what
the
counselor
is
is
talking
about,
there
is
no
overwhelming
large
scale
public
benefit
that
we
can
apply
to
this,
or
that
we
will
be
able
to
sustain
when
these
property
owners
rightly
take
us
to
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board
and
say
you
know
your
your.
Your
you've
affected
your
downzoning
zoning
us
so,
unfortunately,
I
don't
believe
that
these
this
motion
should
be
supportive,
because
it
hasn't
met
the
test
of
a
down
zoning.
D
E
A
B
H
You
mr.
mayor
I
won't
read
the
whole
motion
because
it
was
read
into
the
record
at
Planning,
Committee
and
I.
Think
being
read.
The
lengths
of
it
being
read
once
is
enough,
but
basically
it
deals
with
the
the
addresses
you
just
mentioned.
75
Aberdeen
and
30th
36
George
Street
they've,
been
consolidated.
The
the
architect
came
forward
and
made
his
argument
that
this
was
a
suitable
site
for
a
senior
or
a
retirement
home
facility
and
nine
stories.
H
I
believe
my
recollection
is
that
in
the
original
strategic
directions,
the
properties
along
the
along
the
corridor
along
the
the
the
pathway
in
the
rail
corridor,
we're
at
nine
stories-
that's
been
changed
in
this
latest
report.
Now
I
also
I
recognize
where
staff
has
indicated
they
do
not
support
the
motion.
F
H
H
B
H
Mr.
mr.
chair,
mr.
mayor,
the
the
process
that
we've
been
using
as
you
as
you
may
be
aware,
is
we
take
motions
at
committee
and
we
put
them
in
the
hopper
to
have
staff
review
them
and
that
doesn't
preempt
the
fact
that
they
shouldn't
be
voted
out
at
Council
and
I
and
I
fully
acknowledge
that
staff
has
given
the
rationale
why
they
do
not
support
this
I.
B
B
H
The
individual
over
there,
but
is
the
architect
who
came
forward
and
said
this
is
a
plan
we
have.
Can
you
put
this
before?
Can
you
put
this
before
committee
and
council,
yes
and
I'm
sure
it's
Julie?
What's
your
name,
sir?
He
identified
himself
a
planning
committee,
I,
don't
I,
don't
keep
record
of
the
names.
M
E
E
I
just
have
to
say
it
from
my
perspective.
It's
completely
inappropriate
to
walk
on
emotion
here
to
suggest
we
have
a
nine
story:
retirement
residence
when
the
people
that
live
in
the
community
have
not
even
been
consulted
and
having
quite
a
bit
of
experience
with
retirement
residences.
In
my
own
Ward
I
can
tell
you,
there's
huge
parking
implications
for
this
type
of
use
and
I
can't
even
imagine
why
we
would
even
think
about
supporting
this
when
the
community
hasn't
been
consulted.
Thank
You.
B
G
G
C
Mr.
mayor,
the
community
knows
nothing
about
this.
This
has
not
had
any
circulation,
there's
no
application
into
the
city.
It's
really
inappropriate
to
come
forward
at
this
time
without
all
that
our
normal
process,
it
undermines
the
whole
city's
normal
consultation
process
and
public
information
process.
So
I
would
certainly
hope
that
council
will
not
vote
for
this
motion.
H
Thank
You
mr.
mayor,
first
of
all,
to
call
this
a
walk-on
I
actually
made
councillor
Holmes
aware
that
this
motion
was
going
to
be
coming
forward
before
it
went
to
Planning
Committee.
Secondly,
maybe
staff
can
help
me
here
as
when
the
strategic
directions
were
being
developed
at
one
point:
what
was
the
height?
What
was
the
height
that
was
foreseen?
You
and
George
dark
was
doing
his
magic
act.
What
was
the
height
that
was
being
foreseen
for
this,
and
the
public
consultation
took
place
over
a
long
period
of
time
that
you,
as
staff
conducted?
H
But
at
one
time
didn't
do
didn't
mr.
Kirk
even
suggest
that
Heights
along
that
corridor
should
be
even
considerably
higher
the
very
initial
stages.
Yes,
so
there's
a
process
here
that
this
has
gone
through
and
you
have
conducted
the
public
consultation
so
to
say
that
this
suddenly
appeared
here
out
of
nowhere
is
not
correct.
H
There
has
been
public
consultations
and
you
as
staff
at
the
end
of
come
back
with
your
recommendations
somewhere
in
the
last
five
six
eight
weeks,
whatever
there
was
a
decision
made
to
go
from
the
strategic
directions
from
nine
stories
down
to
four
and
there's.
This
is
all
part
of
the
process,
planning
committees,
part
of
the
process.
Otherwise
we
would
just
receive
your
report
rubber-stamp
it
and
go
home.
We
wouldn't
be
here
at
this
time.
H
H
It
up
is
that,
instead
of
hashing
it
out
on
the
Planning
Committee
floor,
there's
the
opportunity
it
goes
back
to
staff,
to
review
and
to
see
if
there's
any
merits
to
the
and
and
I
misspoke
when
I
said
application,
since
there
isn't
an
application,
but
somebody
came
forward
and
made
their
arguments
why
they
thought
this
was
an
appropriate
location
to
do
a
retirement
home.
That's
basically
it
and
you've
evaluated
it
and
you've
come
back
with
your
with
your
own
recommendation.
M
H
And
then
stakeholders
don't
necessarily
have
to
agree
with
they
have
the
option
of
coming
to
planning
committee
and
making
making
a
pitch
there
and,
let's
so
mr.
mayor
I,
don't
know
if
there's
anything
untoward
that
you're
trying
to
insinuate
here,
because
certainly
this
is
following
the
process
and
let's
just
vote
on
it.
Okay,.
B
Members
of
council
to
vote
against
this
we've
heard
from
the
ward
councillor.
It's
news
to
her.
This
is
when
we
get
in
trouble.
This
is
when
we
get
into
trouble
when
these
things
come
at
us
on
the
fly
and
they
haven't
gone
through
proper
process
and
we
end
up
making
a
decision
that
will
regret
later
so
I
would
urge
members
to
not
simply
go
through
with
this.
B
A
A
K
B
I
It's
it
changes
I'm
looking
for
the
here,
it
is
it's
with
respect
to
a
replacement,
heart,
height
and
yard
schedule,
with
one
provided
part
of
this
motion,
which
includes
all
the
subject:
man
and
lands
and
amends
the
year
year
back
sorry,
rear
yard
setbacks
and
adds
the
1.5
meter
height
requirement.
Accordingly,
this
was
apparently
missed
during
the
during
the
drafting
of
the
height
schedule
to
correspond
with
what
is
in
the
staff
report.
B
B
On
the
report
is
abandoned,
carried
dissent
by
councillor
Holmes,
okay,
so
item
number
six
front,
end
ending
or
sorry
front
ending
agreement
for
modification,
the
Gloucester
eat,
East
urban
community
stormwater
management,
pond
number
one
and
fish
habitat
compensation
councillor
blow
us
you'd.
Ask
that
we
hold
this.
H
I
did
mr.
mayor
mr.
Kirkpatrick.
This
item
here
was
Marta
was
walked
on
speaking
of
walk
ons
during
the
development
charges
by
law,
and
it
deals
with
a
in
in
my
ward,
were
taken
a
million
dollars
out
for
fish
habitat
somewhere
else.
I
have
no
problem
with
the
front
end
agreement,
but
why
would
the
ward
councillor
not
be
what
especially?
H
We
have
a
cumulative
effects
report
on
on
issues
in
the
Greenbelt
dealing
with
Creek
degradation,
which
is
part
of
where
this
pond
is
and
yet
the
somewhere
along
the
way
staff
negotiated
with
the
RBC
that
this
money
should
go
somewhere
else?
Some
are
you
able
to
get
that
information
for
me?
Subsequently,
we
can
carry
this
and
in
terms
of
how
this
happened,
who
negotiated
this
and
why
the
word
councillor
wasn't
wasn't
informed
I
by
the
way
I
held
this
at
Planning
Committee
already
and
I
wasn't
satisfied
with
the
answer.
I
got
there
so.
B
Carried
next
item
is
application
for
demolition
and
new
construction
at
five
six:
five
and
five:
seven
five
old
Prospect
Road
a
property
designate
under
part,
five
of
the
entero
Heritage
Act
and
located
in
the
rock
lift
park
heritage
district
councillor
Clark
wished
that
this
be
held
councillor
Clark
the
floor
is
yours.
Thank.
G
If
you're
looking
at
the
document-
and
the
fact
was
that
we
had
voted
on
this
at
the
committee
and
by
a
5
to
2
motion
voted
against
it.
Now
that
to
me
sounds
like
something
got
lost
in
in
the
translation
now,
the
real
issue
was
that
during
this
whole
discussion
that
build
heritage,
we
talked
about
whether
the
built
heritage
committee
should
have
a
discussion
before
the
committee
of
adjustment
or
planning
committee
should
have
a
discussion
before
the
committee
of
adjustment
was
one
going
to
influence
the
other
and
it
was.
G
Rejection
of
this
proposal
in
in
the
translation
and
I
get
a
note
here
from
staff
saying:
well,
it's
a
procedurally
quick,
correct
way.
Well,
the
built
Aires
subcommittee
did
not
carry
the
staff
recommendation
also
did
not
affirmatively
carry
any
other
wrench.
Well,
unfortunately,
I
thought
the
message
was
clear
and
somehow
or
other
it
wasn't
and
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
drawing
fine
lines
to
ignore
what
the
committee
1
committees
wishes.
This
is
what
what
did
happen.
I
hear.
K
Mr.
Merrill
I
could
start
off
and
I
don't
know
if
the
clerk's
branch
will
want
to
add
anything
in
at
the
built
heritage.
They
defeated
the
staff
recommendation,
but
they
did
not
carry
any
other
recommendation
in
the
alternative.
What
typically
happens
at
Planning
Committee
is
that
if
an
application
to
rezone
is
carried,
for
example,
and
that
loses
that
a
motion
to
reject
the
application
is
put
before
committee
and
that's
voted
upon,
that
did
not
happen
at
this.
K
K
Mr.
merriday
I
mean
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
is
a
relatively
new
committee
and
citizen
members,
and
so
they
are
developing
the
skill
base
and
that
I
don't
believe.
The
question
came
to
staff
as
to
what
was
the
next
step
to
take.
I
am
certain
that
as
they
move
forward
and
gain
more
experience,
this
emotion
to.
G
Really
teach
us
a
lesson:
are
you?
Okay,
oh
except
that
actually
I
am
a
little
more
concerned
about
the
notion
of
what
decision
gets
taken,
whether
it
gets
taken
before
the
committee
of
adjustment
meets
or
whether
it
gets
taken
after
the
committee
of
adjustment
meets,
which
is
the
chicken
and
which
is
the
egg?
G
F
Mr.
mayor
on
a
variance,
we
would
want
to
see
a
go
to
built
heritage
first
before
it
goes
to
committee
of
adjustment
on
a
severance
application,
because
you're
actually
involved
in
the
division
of
land
and
in
this
instance
for
two
new
new
dwellings.
The
idea
would
be
that
it
would
have
gone
through
the
committee
of
adjustment
first
and
then
the
build
heritage.
F
Again,
as
you
said,
which
is
the
important
thing,
is
that
each
of
them
has
their
own
mandate
and
parameters
within
which
a
decision
and
consideration
needs
to
be
had,
and
the
built
heritage
is
concerned
about
the
heritage
issues.
Committee
adjustment
would
be
concerned
about
the
matter
so
said
on
the
Planning
Act.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
they
both
have
to
come
together
if
one
fails
and
the
project
fails.
G
That's
something
what
you
just
described,
only
maybe
a
little
more
meat
on
the
bones,
and
it
probably
should
go
to
planning
committee
before
it
gets
to
Council.
Because
my
concern
is
that
I
sat
at
the
built
areas.
We
rejected
it
on
a
5
to
2,
vote
and
thought
that
was
did.
The
recommendation
would
be
going
forward.
It
didn't
turn
out
that
way
and
despite
the
learn
of
counselor
marks,.
J
G
Flies
over
there
anyway.
My
concern
is
that
this
came
forward
with
what
I
think
was
an
inadequate
representation
of
what
actually
happened
at
the
build
heritage
committee.
Now,
whether
or
not
that
would
have
any
impact,
the
rock
left,
Park
Heritage,
Conservation
District
statement
clearly
says
that
we
don't
want
to
create
substandard
Lots.
G
A
G
G
Alarm
clock
trying
to
keep
me
awake
anyway,
I
I
do
want
to
know
whether
or
not
the
built
heritage
subcommittees
rejection
of
it.
You
say
it
was
in
the
men
and
the
thing,
but,
as
you
all
know,
and
you're
covering
a
lot
of
items,
including
Little
Italy,
it
probably
would
have
got
skipped
over
by
the
committee
other
than
the
presentations
that
were
made
to
it,
and
the
Committee
on
the
presentations
has
nothing
to
rely
on
other
than
the
staff
thinks.
J
You
I'm
talking
to
you
to
your
questions.
What
do
you
say
honey?
Thank
you
very
much.
Everybody
in
you
not
hear
me
and
the
mic
is
actually
working,
which
is
great.
I
have
to
yell.
You
don't
like
bottom
line
is
counter
fire
cab
at
Planning
Committee
yesterday,
had
you
been
there?
You
would
have
heard
that
discussion
happen
where
I'm
not
saying
that
to
rub
it
in
at
all,
but
he
would
have
heard
very
clearly
that
both
myself
and
councillor
Hobbs
were
both
were
the
two
votes
against
it
or
for
it.
J
With
the
exception
of
talking
about
a
few
trees
and
a
hedge,
not
one
person
commented
at
the
built
heritage
on
where
the
how
the
gables
were
what
the
material
was
being
used
any
of
the
things
that
are
within
the
Mandate
of
the
built
heritage.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
the
fact
it's
a
subcommittee
is
just
that
and
the
subcommittee
takes
in
the
information
on
the
Heritage
aspect
and
delivers
that
to
the
to
the
planning
committee
would
have
had
more
clout
had
member
Smallwood,
for
example,
put
forward
a
motion
that
said
that
they
reject
it.
J
I
I,
don't
believe
so.
I,
don't
believe.
So
at
all,
because
we
very
clearly
said
this:
was
it
five
to
two
with
the
vote
and
unfortunately
the
Planning
Committee
did
deal
with
the
heritage
aspects
of
it.
Chair
Hume
said
repeatedly
folks,
when
you
come
forward,
please
keep
your
comments
to
heritage.
You
will
have
an
opportunity,
as
will
councillor
Clark
or,
as
will
any
of
the
people
in
the
community
or
members
of
the
built
heritage.
You
don't
agree
to
go
to
the
committee
of
adjustment
meeting,
which
I
believe
is
next
week.
J
That's
the
way
the
process
is,
and
also
I
when
I
had
the
applicant
come
forward
or
mr.
Casas
Grandes
speaking
for
the
applicant
I,
asked
him
why
they
weren't
going
in
that
process.
Clearly
there
was
a
confusion
there,
because
when
he
first
said
to
said
to
me,
you
know
what
chair
we
traditionally
are
told
by
the
Heritage
folks
to
come.
There
first
and
actually
miss
Collins
did
go
yeah,
because
now
we
know
that
there
is
a
fine
line.
J
The
fine
line
says
you
do
come
there
before
committee
of
adjustment,
unless
it's
a
severance
you're
talking
about
so
all
in
all.
Are
there
lessons
learned
making
in
the
face
of
a
rejection,
will
have
to
have
a
motion.
They'll
all
have
to
tell
the
people
to
put
forward
a
motion,
but
other
than
that.
I
think
that
this
has
been
fairly
heard.
Thank
you.
G
Yeah
I,
probably
sitting
up
in
my
office,
should
had
the
meeting
turned
on
so
I
could
come
down
and
join
the
debate,
but
I
was
riveted
to
the
200
emails
that
I
got
in
the
last
week.
In
any
event,
I
guess
that
the
answer
for
the
community
is
to
go
on
the
community
of
adjustment
and
make
up
make
representations
about
the
severance.
B
J
H
You,
mr.
mayor,
mr.
mayor,
this
motion
is
to
reinstate
the
Cumberland
transit
way,
at
least
on
paper.
If
it's
taken
off
of
map,
36
I
think
there
was
some
rationale
that
staff
had,
but
I
think
we
feel
more
comfortable.
If
it's
there,
it's
had
an
EA
done
already.
It's
been
in
the
transportation
master
plan
and
even
though
it
was
pushed
back
in
the
current
TMP
I
think
we
feel
more
comfortable
with
it
being
there.
B
H
B
J
You
I
mean
I
I,
think
that
we
all
agree
that
looking
at
opportunities
to
take
care
of
some
missing
links
at
the
time
are
important,
but
I
don't
think
that
we
should
look
lose
the
fact
that
we
have
some
missing
links
which
have
not
been
funded.
I
have
one.
For
example,
that's
only
going
to
cost
$1,000
I
shouldn't
I
mean
if
there's
that
kind
of
money
sitting
around
and
those
funds
I
should
be
able
to
easily
have
$1000
to
provide
access
from
our
road
to
another.
B
Pass
the
amendment
on
the
motion,
as
amended
carried.
The
next
item
is
disposition
of
items
approved
by
committee
under
delegated
authority.
On
this
item.
Colleagues,
we
have
a
motion
from
councillor
egg
ly.
Second
of
my
counselor
Clark.
This,
as
you
know,
at
fedko
was
the
sale
of
surplus
land
to
the
state
of
Qatar,
but
they
require
a
council
motion
there.
The
government
of
the
state
of
Qatar
requires
a
council
motion
so
in
essence
it's
a
belt
and
suspenders
motion
and
where
we've
already
approved
it.
B
D
You
mr.
mayor,
moved
by
myself,
second
by
counsel
Moffitt
that
had
a
motion
in
regard
to
funding
for
the
Osgood
Youth
Association,
subsequent
to
that
notification.
I
met
with
the
city
treasurer,
the
chief
of
staff,
surgeon
and
Donna
Dan
shed
shangay
director
voyeur
myself,
and
we
were
working
on
some
additional
funding
for
that
and
I'm
just
requesting
that
we
move
this
to
to
another
council
meeting.
B
D
B
E
Mr.
mayor,
this
is
that
we
took
just
as
that
budget
time
that
if
and
the
crossing
guard
studies
showed,
there
were
ones
that
meant
warrants
and
that
we
would
consider
funding
four
of
them.
12
actually
meant
the
warrants
but
I'm
putting
forward
the
motion
that
the
top
four
received
$24,000
from
the
corporate
unforseen
account
that
was
been
approved
by
the
finance
department
to
do
that.
The
future.
A
Thank
you,
Thank
You,
mr.
mayor,
like
to
our
staff
about
this,
because
if
this
one
it
means
we're
adding
something
to
the
budget
without
trying
to
find
alternatives
to
that
either
we
are
squeezing
more
out
of
the
department
or
I'm,
not
sure
where
the
money
will
be
just
like
the
good
old
days
would
add
to
the
budget
and
then
one
budget
time.
Then
we
scramble
to
find
whether
we're
going
to
get
the
money,
so
they
just
need
to
hear
from
treasurer.
Is
you
know?
What's
that
need
to
do?
Is
it
in
the
budget?
E
A
B
J
You
mr.
mayor
for
saying
that,
okay,
because
that
is
absolutely
the
truth-
the
school
board.
So
there
auste
have
put
together
a
transportation
package
and
cut
back
on
on
delivering
service
to
all
the
kids
in
the
two
largest
sports.
The
two
English
sports,
which
has
put
pressure
on
us
to
have
to
have
these
situations,
to
make
it
safe
their
kids,
our
kids,
to
walk
on
our
streets
to
their
schools
and
I'm,
sick
and
tired
of
it.
J
I've
got
a
school
that
just
opened
in
bar
Haven,
I
have
actually
more
than
one,
but
one
in
particular
is
on
Cambrian
Road,
which
has
been
under
so
much
construction,
traffic
with
Half,
Moon,
Bay,
etc,
and
the
bottom
line
is,
is
that
I
offered
staff
and
there
none
of
them
are
here,
but
I
offered
staff
to
pay
and
I've
been
so
concerned
about
it
out
of
my
office
budget
is
gonna,
bring
a
report
forward
and
say:
can
I?
But
you
know
what
they
said.
J
It
will
put
pressure
in
September
for
you
to
do
that,
so
I've
been
trying
to
do
all
kinds
of
things,
but
I
think
that
we
need
to
have
that
meeting.
That
discussion
with
the
school
and
say:
okay,
now
that
you're,
justifying
and
rationalizing
your
transportation
money,
kick
some
back
in
and
pay
half
the
price
and
we'll
have
a
lot
more
crossing
guards
which
will
be
in
the
best
interest
of
the
taxpayers
and
their
little
children
in
this
city.
Thank
you.
E
There
was
a
motion
at
budget
time,
I
raised
it
at
that
time
and
that
what
the
treasurer
told
me
was
if
there
was
money
in
the
transportation
budget,
they
do
it,
but
if
there
doesn't,
there
was
plenty
of
money
in
there
unforeseen
to
handle
twenty
four
thousand
dollars.
We
just
passed
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
something
that
wasn't
in
the
budget,
and
this
is
something
that
is
very
important
for
safety.
None
of
these
are,
in
my
ward,
by
the
way
I
said.
Take
the
top
four.
It's
a
principle
that
I'm
speaking
to
that.
E
We
should
try
to
make
it
as
safe
as
Paul,
so
it
gives
to
go
to
school
and
says
the
school
board
won't
and
say
they
won't
do
anything
off
the
school
properties.
If
we
don't
do
it,
nothing
happens,
I,
don't
think
that's
a
good
idea
of
it.
So
this
is
a
miniscule
amount
of
money
in
our
budget.
Mr.
mayor
I
think
we
should
be
be
supporting
it.
J
E
You
mr.
mayor
well
part
of
the
problem.
I
have
with
this
whole
thing
and
I
agree.
We
need
school
crossing
guards,
especially
as
the
button
gets
canceled,
but
it's
actually
growing.
It's
not
getting
smaller,
it's
getting
bigger,
because
what
we're
finding
out
now
is
when
they're
canceling
a
forcing
the
children
to
walk
farther
they're,
forcing
them
to
walk
across
major
roads
like
I
have
one
right
now
there
going
to
be
crossing
Bank
Street
its
major.
E
So
now
we're
going
to
need
to
put
a
signal
in
which
is
actually
transferring
the
costs
from
busing
on
to
the
municipality
and
I.
Think
what
we
really
need
to
do
is
have
a
meeting
with
the
school
boards
to
discuss
the
overall
policy,
because
we
can't
just
continue
to
take
onto
the
municipal
tax
bill
costs
that
are
indirectly
related
to
school,
and
they
certainly
get
a
lot
of
tax.
E
It
taxation,
so
I
think
we
need
to
talk
about
who
pays
what
so
I
know
it's
a
bit
of
a
citation
compared
to
what
councillor
Wilkinson
is
saying
today,
I
guess
just
one
question
on
councilor
Wilkinsons
motions.
So
any
saw
time
sensitivity
around
that
motions
that
mean
if
we
say
no
today,
that
there'd
be
no
cause
and
guards
there
in
September.
Or
is
it
an
opportunity
to
look
at
it
and
then
come
back
before
a
decision
point.
B
A
You
worship:
well,
we
used
to
have
a
council
school
board,
periodically
azof
committee.
We
were
used
to
deal
with
issues
that
that
sort
of
crossed
our
responsibilities
and
I
know
so
so
when
we
had
the
the
auste
change
that
has
resulted
a
lot
of
people
being
upset
by
the
new
challenges
of
getting
kids
to
school,
it
would
have
been
useful
to
be
able
to
work
with
them.
I'm
just
wondering
to
what
extent
you
have
worked
with
them
on
the
crossing
guard
issue
in
relationship
to
the
the
new
transportation
plan
that
they
have.
A
Because
I've
been
I've
been
at
school
board
meetings
where
I've
heard
this.
The
the
the
same
speech
like
the
councillor
harder
gave
I've
heard
given
by
school
trustees,
who
say
the
city
has
a
responsibility
to
deal
with
these
kids,
who
are
on
city
streets.
You
know
the
fact
that
they're
going
to
a
school
is
irrelevant,
they're
pedestrians
and
they
should
be
dealt
with
properly
and
I.
Know
back
in
the
90s.
A
A
And
through
the
mayor,
we
have,
as
we
have
talked
abou,
the
process
that
will
need
crossing
guards
and
we
have
provided
a
cause
for
that.
Yeah
yeah,
the
money
it
for
us.
We
were
going
through
the
budget
process-
that's
our
own
iax,
because
for
but
for
them
to
save
a
few
thousand
dollars
by
disrupting
everybody's
schedules,
and
then
we
have
to
pay
to
deal
with
the
extra
kids
those
pedestrians.
A
A
B
E
E
One
C
in
Canada
north
have
added
to
the
urban
area
as
a
result
of
the
internments
before
decision
in
2012
and
has
not
yet
been
included
in
the
bylaw
therefore
be
resolved
that
the
urban
tree
conservation
by
our
be
amended
effective,
July,
9th
2014,
to
apply
to
area
one
C.
So
one
of
the
real
five
Schedule
C
attached
a
schedule,
one
as
document
one
which
I
don't
have
in
front
of
me.
A
B
You,
the
next
motion,
is
requirement
by
hydro,
Ottawa
or
Energy
Ottawa
Inc,
with
respect
to
the
placement
of
rooftop
solar
energy
panels
on
the
Walter
Baker
Center,
on
suspension,
carried
moved
by
myself,
saying
if
I
counselor
McCray
on
the
motion
carried.
Are
there
any
other
motions
requiring
suspension
of
the
rules?
Notice
is
a
motion
for
consideration.
A
subsequent
meeting
I've
read
the
motion
for
exam
Ave
and
your
subsequent
motioned
introduce
bylaws
councillor,
Thompson
and
Hume
and
I
believe.
Is
there
an
amendment.
D
Thank
you.
Your
worship
move
myself.
Second,
my
counselor
human
that
the
bylaws
listed
on
the
agenda
under
motion
to
introduce
bylaws
first
and
second
reading.
You
read
and
third
readings,
be
read
and
passed
with
the
exception.
The
bylaw
listed
as
a
by
log
of
the
city
of
wall-to-wall
to
amend
bylaw
number
2008
250
of
the
City
of
Ottawa
to
change
the
zoning
of
lands
known
municipal
municipal
unit
of
Lee
as
93
95
97,
99,
100
3
at
105,
Norman
Street,.