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From YouTube: Ottawa City Council – October 9, 2013
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Ottawa City Council meeting – October 9, 2013
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas
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C
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C
D
You
mr.
mayor,
it's
my
honor
and
privilege
to
introduce
Ashley
Cernik
who's,
a
Canadian
artist
who
has
been
writing
and
performing
original
songs.
Since
she
was
10
years
old,
she
released
her
debut
album
full
grown
in
2011
and
has
participated
in
showcases
from
the
International
Folk
Alliance
conference
in
Memphis
Tennessee
in
2012
to
a
showcase
lot
in
this
past
March
as
Canadian
Music
Week.
In
the
last
two
years,
Ashley
has
landed
larger
stage,
gigs
such
as
Juno
Fest,
Blues,
Fest,
Canada,
Day
and
Kannada,
as
well
as
other
festivals
within
Ontario.
D
For
the
past
three
used,
Ashley
has
been
involved
with
the
Kannada
Haven
Youth
Center
by
writing
a
song
for
the
not
alone
project.
She
is
also
involved
in
the
music
video
they
are
currently
completing.
She
was
requested
to
write
a
song
that
represented
the
struggle
with
the
mental
health
and
suicide
through
youths
eyes.
D
A
A
C
Thank
you
very,
very
much
for
that
wonderful
rendition
of
our
National
Anthem,
we're
pleased
today
to
have
with
us
women
who
are
participating
in
the
civic
participation,
training
sponsored
by
Kaui
and
the
coalition
of
community
health
and
resource
centers
they're
in
they're,
very
distinctive
salmon,
colored
scarves,
and
we
welcome
them.
Women
in
this
training
I
will
be
facilitating
focus
groups
in
their
neighborhood
so
as
to
identify
barriers
to
people.
Voting
in
low-income
neighborhoods
across
the
city
now
see
booth
except
they're,
not
going
to
be
tested.
C
C
C
From
the
generosity
of
city
crops
and
the
Catholic
Centre
for
immigrants,
both
of
whom
rave
about
the
quality
of
the
food
donated
city
crops
is
only
two
years
old,
and
yet
they
have
grown
to
an
impressive
rate
to
now
boast
two
acres
of
urban
farms
within
our
city.
To
achieve
this,
miss
Bouchard
and
her
colleagues
have
worked
tirelessly
all
year
round.
Finding
indigenous
seeds
in
the
winter
growing
their
seed
leaves
in
the
sprit
seedlings
in
the
spring
planting
and
maintaining
their
crops
in
the
summer
before
harvesting
in
the
fall.
C
A
C
To
our
city,
I
want
to
thank
you
very
much
for
the
work
that
you
have
done
to
make
Ottawa
a
more
sustainable
and
healthy
City
and
for
helping
support
those
organizations
who
provide
badly
needed
food
to
those
in
our
community.
Thank
you
for
all
you
have
done,
and
it's
my
pleasure
on
behalf
of
your
city,
councillor
Peter
Clark,
to
present
you
with
this
award.
F
Thank
you
very
much.
Watson
would
I
first
started
this
project.
I
expected
farming
to
be
difficult,
but
I
didn't
expect
the
almost
biblical
levels
of
pestilence
and
throughout
we
have.
It
was
a
bit
harder
than
I
expected.
That's.
Why
I'm
quite
glad
that
council
the
way
they
do
in
a
couple
of
ways?
First,
they
provide
a
flexible
lease
to
local
farmers
at
Lansdowne,
Park,
they'll
move
back
in
and
next
next
year,
when
Lansdowne
project
is
completed.
The
other
is
of
a
new
startup
program
run
by
just
foods,
which
I
think
is
in
rain.
G
F
C
H
E
J
A
H
A
A
C
L
Symmetrically
declare
a
potential
dean,
pecuniary
interest
on
council
agenda
number
62
item,
6
application
to
demolish
207,
209,
Murray,
Street
and
portion
of
the
former
Our
Lady
school
287,
Cumberland
Street,
and
to
stabilize
it
south
and
west
walls
as
I
received
a
defamation
action
letter
and
I
may
be
involved
in
litigation.
If
action
is
taken,
Kelsey
you
Thank.
J
You
mr.
mayor
I'm,
going
to
declare
a
pecuniary
interest
on
a
council
agenda,
62
item
six
application
to
demolish
207
to
a
nine
Murray
Street
and
portions
of
the
former
former
Our
Lady
school
287
Cumberland
Street,
and
to
stabilize
it
south
and
west
walls
as
I
am
the
subject
of
a
defamation
action
by
the
applicant
and
the
pecuniary
interest
that
would
apply
if
one
was
found
to
exist
would
be
that
the
potential
damages
and
legal
fees
that
I
would
be
required
to
pay
in
the
event
that
the
action
proceeded.
J
C
Thank
You
counselor
sure
Ellie
we'll
be
late
arriving
at
Council
but
indicated
his
intent
to
register
a
declaration
of
interest.
Regarding
item
number:
four
on
the
agenda:
PC
report
56
a
official
plan
and
Zoning
Montreal
Road
district
secondary
plan
communications
as
received
responses
to
inquiries
as
printed
regrets
of
Saul's
no
regrets
filed
to
date.
M
Development
committee
report
37
planning
committee
report
56
a
and
Transportation
Committee
reports,
31
be
received
and
considered
and
that
the
rules
of
procedure
be
suspended
to
receive
and
consider
planning
committee
report
57
because
of
the
urgency
of
the
item
contained
in
the
report.
Waiver
of
the
rules
is
being
requested
for
planning
committee
report,
57
items
six
the
agenda
to
allow
the
applicant
to
proceed
with
work
requiring
to
stabilize
the
south
and
west
walls
of
our
ladies
school.
C
Okay
carried
thank
you
committee
reports,
Finance
and
Economic
Development
Committee
report,
number
37,
ornament,
onset,
Municipal,
Elections
contribution,
rebate,
program
options
hold
come
back
to
that
item;
number
two
execution
of
new
municipal,
the
municipality
contribution
agreement
with
our
LG,
and
we
have
a
amendments.
We'll
come
back
to
that
item.
Number
three:
Ottawa
Stadium,
300,
Coventry,
Road
results
of
the
RF.
Oh.
A
C
J
This
an
amendment
by
myself
and
seconded
by
Councillor
Fleury
that
we
have
a
technical
amendment.
As
you
know,
when
these
items
come
before
council
or
council.
Mr.
mayor,
we
often
receive
submissions
from
landowners
between
the
time
it
goes
to
committee
and
by
the
time
it
comes
to
council
and
we've
received
a
submission
from
mr.
Vyse
on
behalf
of
a
landowner
from
bison
hunter.
We've
reviewed
that
cement
submission
and
we
found
that
it
has
had
merit
that
it
has
significant
merit
and
staff
have
brought
forward.
J
J
L
Like
to
just
say
a
few
things
on
this,
it's
a
pretty
important
plan
for
Vanier
and
since
an
automation
there
was
some
issues.
Downtown
venue
was
between
Cummings
bridge
and
vania
Parkway,
and
we
didn't
fully
you
know.
A
lot
of
sites
could
have
been
torn
down
and
turned
into
parking
lots.
There
was
some
issues
related
to
the
residential
balance
and
the
mixed-use
nature
of
the
street,
some
height
issues,
so
I
want
to
graduate
mr.
Moser
and
and
the
team
la
night
and
Dana
for
all
the
work,
and
especially
with
the
community,
the
business
community.
C
L
Yes,
mr.
mayor,
it's
basically
the
same
motion,
but
there's
a
therefore
be
resolves
that
change
to
make
sure
that
a
couple
of
months
ago
at
CPSC,
we
recognize
all
of
the
great
work
that
the
seat
group
does
and
that's.
The
intent
here
is
to
make
sure
that
the
team
and
all
the
requirements,
condition
and
approvals
of
seat
are
met.
Okay,.
C
So
this
is
substituting
the
report
that
was,
that
transportation
committee
moved
by
Councillor
flurry
seconded
by
Councillor
tyranny
on
the
motion
carried
and
update,
now
see
item
number
eight
recommended
changes
to
the
Highway
Traffic
Act
and
regulations
to
include
demerit
points
as
a
result
of
a
conviction
for
distracted
driving.
This
was
brought
to
committee
by
me
on
behalf
of
constituent
and
councillor.
Tierney
was
good
enough
to
move
this
at
transportation.
On
the
motion
carried
good
initiative,
bulk
consent
agenda.
Does
anyone
wish
to
move
remove
anything
from
the
both
consent?
Mr.
C
Number
all
right
so
we'll
come
back
to
that.
Does
anyone
else
wish
to
remove
anything
from
the
bulk
consent
agenda
on
the
bulk
consent
agenda
as
presented
carried
okay,
so
we'll
head
back
to
item
number
one
Finance
and
Economic
Development
Committee
committee
de
defensa?
Did
it
about
Mike,
anomic,
Municipal,
Elections,
rebate,
Celso
blow
us
had
asked
that
this
be
held
the
floor?
Is
yours,
counselor,
Thank,.
M
You
mr.
mayor
mr.
mayor
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
here
and
then,
of
course,
I
will
be
voting
against
this
to
be
consistent
with
how
I
previously
voted
on
this
issue
to
the
clerk's
office
and
and
I
know,
you've
tried
to
massage
the
numbers
in
a
number
of
ways
to
try
and
make
it
as
easily
understood
and
as
presentable
as
possible.
M
But
the
conclusion
I
reach
from
from
the
report
is
that
it
really
hasn't
made
any
difference
in
terms
of
participation
in
in
the
elections
by
candidates
or
in
in
the
number
of
or
the
the
partition
by
voters
themselves
and
I'm.
Looking
at
the
highest
voter
turnout,
we
probably
had
was
an
amalgamation
for
a
number
of
reasons,
and
can
you
confirm
first
of
all
the
kind
of
effect
this
has
had
on
the
kind
of
effect
this
has
had
on
voter
turnout.
H
Mr.
mayor,
the
issue
of
voter
turnout
is
one
that
has
many
factors
highly
contested,
mayoral
or
ward
races,
and
it
is
very
difficult
without
comprehensive
surveying
to
determine
what
factors
increase
voter
turnout.
So
this
program,
the
original
intent
was,
was,
as
we
understood
it,
to
change
the
portion
of
individual
versus
corporate
contributions
rather
than
voter
turnout.
But
we
cannot
say
whether
it
does
or
doesn't
yeah.
M
M
Find
one
of
the
interesting
figures
you've
put
in
here
is
about
the
candidates
that
generally,
the
proportion
of
individual
contributions
has
gone
up.
It
has
gone
up
overall
and
especially
has
gone
up
for
those
who
partake
in
this
program,
but,
interestingly
enough,
even
those
who
did
not
participate
in
the
program-
and
this
is
under
trying
to
see
what
page
it's
on
who
chose
not
to
participate.
It
also
increased
the
percentage
of
their
contributions.
So
again,
there's
no
real
correlation
here.
Is
there
correct?
M
Okay,
so
I
mean
I
must
admit,
I
reach
a
conclusion
here
that
this
program
really
hasn't
achieved.
What
it's
set
out
to
do,
but
I
imagine
in
your
office
or
in
the
clerk's
office
and
in
in
the
staff
we
run
our
who
run
the
elections
and
by
the
way
they
do
a
great
job
of
running
elections.
I'm
sure
everybody
around
this
table
would
agree
in
one
way
or
another.
M
H
M
So
my
final
conclusion
would
be
that
if
it
hasn't
had
any
of
the
desirable
effects
that
we
set
out
to
do
that,
it
really
serves
and
oh
by
the
way-
and
it's
incumbents
generally,
who
have
had
the
increase
in
individual
contributions
more
so
they've.
Taken
more
advantage
of
this
than
anybody
else.
Is
that
correct
by
a
great
proportion.
A
A
H
N
H
M
The
numbers
I
saw
in
here
and
because
I'm
working
off
a
different
document
than
now
than
the
one
I
had
on
my
other
on
my
other
machine,
certainly
indicated
to
me
that
we're
the
greatest
beneficiaries
of
this
I
think
I've
made
my
point.
Mr.
mayor
I
do
think
this
serves
incumbents,
more
than
challengers
I,
don't
think
it's
had
the
desirable
effect
and
as
I
previously
have
done,
I
will
be
voting
against
this.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
C
C
Kirkpatrick,
because
you
as
a
result
of
some
issues
that
were
raised
at
fedko,
we
tasked
you
to
go
back
and
get
three
points
clarified
from
the
OLG
and
I
believe
that
has
been
done
so
I'll
hand
it
over
to
you
and
the
city
solicitor
who
can
deal
with
those
issues
that
came
up
at
committee.
Mr.
city
manager,
please
Thank.
O
You
mayor
and
if
I
could
I
guess,
I
could
ask
members
of
council
to
refer
to
the
memorandum,
a
hard
copy
of
which
is
in
front
of
you
on
your
desk.
The
we
did
work
with
representatives
the
oil
G
over
the
last
several
days
on
the
response,
I
guess
last
Thursday,
following
the
fedko
meeting
that
I
put
the
written
request
for
the
answers
to
these
questions
to
the
oil
G
and
they've
been
working
on
it.
O
They
were
able
to
provide
us
with
the
answer
in
writing
late
last
evening,
so
I
apologize
for
the
timeliness
of
the
information
coming
in
forward
to
Council,
but
we
felt
it
was
important
that
it
did
get
to
you
this
morning.
There's
a
covering
memo
from
the
city,
clerk
and
solicitor
that
highlights
the
answers,
and
so,
if
I
could
focus
you
on
on
the
City
Clerk's
memo
you'll
see.
O
With
regards
to
the
question
of
removing
the
program
Clause
section,
five,
the
oil
G's
responded
back
that
and
the
fact
this
also
applies
to
the
liability
clause
as
well
that
they
are
not
prepared
to
change
any
of
the
language
in
the
contribution
agreement
that
the
in
the
MCA,
the
MCA,
is
standard
for
all
municipalities
across
the
province
and,
in
fact,
as
their
letter
indicates,
I
think
is
it
22
out
of
24
minutes.
Alvey's
have
signed
this
letter,
the
city
of
auto
and
city
of
Toronto
being
the
last
two.
O
So,
whereas
they're
not
prepared
to
change
any
language
in
the
letter
they
are,
they
did
put
in
writing
responses
to
the
questions
that
council
or
sorry
the
committee
asked.
So,
with
regards
to
the
promotion
program
they've,
they
have
confirmed
that
there
is
no
funding
requirement
on
behalf
of
the
city
that
doctor
LG
would
fund
the
recognition
program
in
terms
of
the
liability
clause.
I'd
like
to
highlight
that
the
actual
language
and
mr.
O
O'connor
can
speak
to
this
more
later
if
you
wish,
but
the
actual
language
in
the
proposed
MCA
regarding
liability
is
very,
very
similar
to
the
language
that
is
in
the
existing
MCA
that
council
approved
in
2012.
So
there's
no
change
in
that
regard.
Mr.
O'connor
can
speak
to
from
a
legal
perspective
the
issues
or
lack
of
issues
around
that
clause
being
there
in
the
letter,
the
oil
G
has
also
highlighted
that
they've
confirmed
that
they
have
regard
for
and
in
any
dealings
with
future
proponents.
O
C
Okay,
thank
you.
So
just
for
clarification.
Mr.
city
manager,
we
as
a
council
voted
on
November
14
2012
for
an
essence,
the
OLG
agreement
that
deals
with
the
liability
issue
and
there
were
three
dissenters,
churna
chenko
flurry
in
home,
so
that
that
pass
the
issue
with
respect
to
the
21
table
games.
Is
our
city
solicitor
convinced
that
the
letter
we
received
from
the
olg
that
indicates
they
will
respect
our
cap
of
21
plus
1250
is
sufficient
to
ensure
that
they
are
not
going
to
come
back
and
do
more
than
that.
C
P
P
Obviously,
if
we
have
casino
gaming
or
gaming
in
our
community,
I
think
we're
do
some
share
of
revenue
for
that.
So
I
don't
object
to
a
revenue
agreement
with
with
the
olg.
Obviously,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
the
best
possible
agreement
that
we
can
for
our
residents
and
constituents,
maybe
just
taking
the
issues
one
at
a
time.
I
understand
we'll
deal
with
I,
guess,
probably
the
most
nebulous
one.
First,
the
hold
harmless
clause,
that's
in
there
and
mr.
O'connor.
E
Mr.
Mehra's
Alaura
I
would
never
say
the
any
clauses
in
the
contract
will
never
come
back
to
bite
us
so
to
speak.
But
with
regards
to
this
particular
indemnity
pation
clause,
it
is
identical
to
the
one
that
counsel
approved
in
November
of
2012.
It
is
very
similar
on
a
line-by-line
basis,
with
some
minor
modifications
to
the
one
that
the
former
city
of
Gloucester
approved
prior
to
amalgamation
with
regards
to
it.
E
What
they
were
looking
for
is
the
cities
not
being
required
to
indemnify
the
OLG
with
regards
to
third
party
claims
and
right
at
the
bottom,
by
the
fifth
page
of
the
memo
I
note
that
municipality
has
no
mandate
with
regards
to
regulating
the
operation
of
gaming
facilities
and
we've
looked
at
this.
We
did
a
review
of
all
of
the
litigation
outstanding
involving
OLG
over
the
last
several
years,
and
we
don't
see
any
novel
claim
based
on
the
operations
as
such
and
also
this
particular
type
of
funding
agreement.
E
E
P
Well,
let's
leave
that
aside,
then
the
timer
is
running
so
to
the
other
two
points:
I
guess
the
limitation
on
gaming
and
I
understand
that,
and
the
mayor
just
raised
that
the
olg
and
in
conversations
of
mr.
Kirkpatrick
has
indicated
that
they're
going
to
respect
counsels
decision
on
the
limitation
on
gaming.
So
if
that's
the
case,
I
assume
they
would
have
no
difficulty
encoding
that
in
an
agreement,
it's
it's
a
matter
of
typing
one
or
two
sentences
into
the
agreement
and
emailing
it
back
to
us.
O
Mr.
mayor
the
tense
for
the
council's
question
through
the
discussions
field,
G
I
think
it
is
I
can
report
and
frankly,
I
can
understand
their
perspective,
that
the
agreements
must
be
the
same
for
all
municipalities
in
the
province.
In
fact,
I
think
that
was
an
important
principle
for
this
council
is
that
revenue
sharing
and
the
agreements
that
support
them
would
be
the
same
for
all
municipalities
across
the
province.
What
I
could
endeavor
to
do
is
to
get
a
separate
agreement.
I
mean
they've
been
clear
and
I
said
a
few
minutes
ago.
O
P
We
receive,
if
you
ask,
for
that,
we
receive
some
kind
of
accompanying
document.
Mr.
O'connor
is
it:
is
it
acceptable
if
that
document
is
worded
appropriately,
that
it
could
be
taken?
He
in
conjunction
with
the
MCA
or
you
know,
for
maximum
comfort
must
that
recognition
of
council's
decision
be
embedded
within
the
MCA
I'm
asking
as
a
lawyer,
which
is
more
enforceable.
If
we're
in
court,
the.
E
P
Okay,
turning
now
to
the
community
recognition
program,
I
know
that
the
conversation
as
it
evolved
both
at
the
Fed
Co
table
and
then,
as
a
result
of
your
conversations.
Mr.
Kirkpatrick,
you
say
that
the
Ola
G
has
said
that
they
will
bear
the
cost
of
the
community
recognition
program
that
it
won't
be
on
Ottawa
taxpayers,
but
a
copy
of
the
letter
that
they
give
us
simply
says
the
OLG
plans
to
financially
support
this
initiative
in
each
host
municipality.
P
So
I,
don't
know
if
that's
a
question
for
you,
but
I
guess
my
phrase
it
as
a
question
that
do
you
have
from
them
any
indication
that
they're
willing
to
put
into
crystal
clear
writing
that
the
municipality
is
not
on
the
hook
for
financially
supporting
the
community
recognition
program
piece,
because
what
they've
said
here
is
they'll
cost
share.
They
haven't
said
you
don't
have
to
pay
anything
so.
O
Mr.
made
the
the
discussion
that
I've
had
that
would
be
behind
this
is
that
it
is
at
the
city's
discretion
whether
it
wishes
to
participate
financially
in
any
community
recognition
program.
I,
take
your
point
about
the
wording.
That's
in
the
letter,
but
through
the
discussions
I
can
tell
you
that
there's
no
implied
or
commitment
that
the
city
would
cost
share.
O
Lg's
position
is
that
they
would
work
cooperatively
with
host
municipalities
to
develop
an
initiative
that
highlights
the
community
used
of
hosting
fees
in
a
manner
that
reflects
the
preferences
of
this
city,
in
other
words,
how
he
has
chosen
to
use
those
the
revenues
that
are
shared
with
it
and
that
they
would
financially
support
the
initiative
again
if
you'd
like
belt-and-suspenders
on
that
I
could
attempt
to
get
them
well.
I
just.
C
Wanna
point
that
councillor
I'd
be
happy
to
second
a
motion.
If
you
want
to
move
a
motion
that
the
city
not
invest
any
financial
resources
into
these
kinds
of
recognition,
programs
I'm
happy
to
second
that
so
that
we
give
our
own
staff
the
direction
they're
not
to
incur
any
expenses,
and
that
de
facto
makes
it
an
olg
expense
and
not
ours.
So
if
you're
willing
to
move
that
I'll
weep
happy.
Second,
that's
what's
crystal
clear:
we
won't
put
financial
resources
into
any
recognition
program.
Yeah.
P
P
Right:
okay,
the
last
point
I
want
to
make
mr.
Kirkpatrick
was
with
regard
to
the
infrastructure
development
costs,
and
we
had
some
discussion
around
the
fedko
table
about
about
the
cost
of
development.
I
believe
was
councillor
Dean's,
who
had
raised
at
one
point
the
cost
of
infrastructure
associated
with
a
new
facility,
and
that
was
during
the
casino
debate
and
I
understand
that
we're
on
the
contribution
agreement
now
not
not
a
debate
about
the
site
itself.
P
However,
the
language
in
here
indicates
that
you
know
any
any
costs
that
are
normal
or
for
development
would
be
not
affect
our
contribution
agreement.
But
if
we
went
the
step
up
saying
you
know,
you
must
pay
added
costs
that
says
as
long
as
they're
not
directly
to
the
OLG,
they
won't
affect
the
contribution
agreement,
but
perhaps
you
can
give
me
how
that
would
work
if
the
proponent
neo
LG
simply
choose
to
handle
that
a
little
differently
to
try
to
get
out
of
paying
any
accident
costs.
O
O
Q
Q
E
Q
Have
the
agreement
right
in
front
of
my
understanding
of
the
agreement
from
the
fedko
meeting
that
we
had
in
the
presentation
was
given
their
councilor
different
type
of
councillor
was
that
the
agreement
spoke
to
the
city,
contributing
to
the
cost
of
the
any
recognition
events
and,
if
I'm
correct
from
what
mr.
Kilpatrick
said,
is
they're
not
prepared
to
change
the
wording
of
the
existing
agreement.
I.
Q
E
Mr.
mayor,
with
regards
that,
I
have
the
the
report
from
fed
go
in
front
of
me,
and
this
is
I
believe
what
I
referenced
in
answering
the
questions
at
that
point
in
time
we
referenced
section
5c,
however,
specifically
requires
the
city
to
cooperate
reasonably
the
theology
to
facilitate
messaging
and
communication
of
the
program
and
its
mandate
and
furthermore,
obliges
the
city
to
comply
with
all
reasonable
initiatives
and
requests
proposed
by
the
elegy
regarding
branding
marketing
and
public
acknowledgments
in
respect
to
funding
provided
by
the
OLG.
E
The
paragraph
goes
on
to
say
no
cost
allocation
responsibilities
are
specified
in
the
proposed
MCA
for
the
program.
It
is
anticipated
that
the
city
would
have
to
pay
for
its
own
costs
for
one
or
more
promotional
events
to
be
held
as
part
of
the
program,
and
it
is
further
anticipated
that
discussions
will
occur
between
the
city
manager
and
the
oil
G
staff
to
discuss
the
scope
of
the
program
etc,
and
it
was
at
that
point
mr.
Q
So
we
have
one
document
being
a
proposed
signed
contract,
saying
it
has
anticipated
that
we
would
contribute
to
the
cost
and
the
best
we
can
get
from
olg
as
a
letter
saying
we
will,
we
being
them,
will
support
and
not
fully
pay
for
it.
So
I
still
have
my
concerns
in
that
regard
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
the
proposed
motion
of
the
mayor
is
going
to
address
that
because
it
will
not
bind
the
olg
in
in
terms
following
up
again
on
on
comments
made
by
councillor
Taylor
when
he
asked
you
mr.
Q
O'connor,
which
would
be
more
effective
either
a
letter
that
was
an
addendum
to
the
MCA
or
a
separate
agreement.
Your
answer
was
that
if
it
was
embedded
into
the
existing
proposed
agreement
that
would
be
of
more
force,
in
effect,
second
would
be
a
separate
agreement.
So
when
I
ask
you
so
what
a
letter
from
the
old
G
is
dead
last
because
that's
all
they're
giving
us
about
the
number
of
tables
and
the
number
of
machines.
H
E
H
You're
designed
and
jointly
implementing
a
chances
of
it
having
money
or
Clayton's
great
and
basically,
what
I
want
to
say
this,
this
a
letter
that
we
got
back
because
sort
of
confirms
that
OLG
has
accepted
their
one
location
only
for
any
casino
operation,
because
we
did
not
do
that
selection
on
an
open
and
competitive
basis.
I
can't
support
anything
further
going
on
on
casinos,
I'd
rather
not
know
casino
than
not
have
then
have
an
unfair
practice.
H
A
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
mayor
and
a
couple
question
mr.
o'connor
on
this
going
forward
in
terms
of
the
request
from
the
or
LG
and
through
their
agreement
with
the
private
operator
or
private
sector
or
selected
shouldn't.
He
or
she
be
promoting
their
own
business
rather
than
asking
the
city
or
the
municipality
to
do
that,
for
them.
O
Mr.
counselor,
through
the
mayor,
the
I
think
the
the
framework
here
and
again
it's
just
providing
for
context
to
council
theologies
perspective
on
this.
They
share
revenues
with
host
municipalities
host
municipalities
determine
what
the
priorities
are
for
those
revenues
as
part
of
their
construct
province
wide
that
municipalities
will
participate
in
a
program
that
that
tells
the
community
about
what
benefits
are
being
achieved.
With
the
revenues
of
the
ogee
sharing
with
the
host
miscibility,
that's
their
construct,
it's
it
goes
in
hand
in
hand
with
the
construct
where
they're
sharing
revenues
with
the
host
municipality.
Thank.
A
You
for
that,
mr.
Kirkpatrick,
but
in
terms
of
the
promotional
piece
of
this
in
terms
of
the
agreement
when
I'd
read
it,
as
is
that
they're
saying
that
the
municipality
must
promote
the
benefit
of
that
casino,
whether
it
be
cost
sharing
revenue
or
whether
we
other
promotional
items
that
the
casino
needs
from
time
to
time.
Going
forward
am
I.
Reading
that
wrong.
O
My
understanding
is
that
what
they're
requesting
the
miscibility
to
help
recognize
and
promote
is
the
benefits
that
are
achieved
with
the
revenues
that
are
shared
with
those
miscibility
but
and
I.
Think
your
earlier
question
counselor
was
more
in
the
form
of
what's.
Is
it
our
opinion
that
that
is
reasonable
or
not?
And
frankly,
as
you're
well
aware,
I
think
it's
what's
important.
Is
counsels
opinion
about
whether
that
is
reasonable
or
not,
but
it
I
can
just
confirm.
A
Thank
you,
my
second
question
in
terms
of
the
conditions
that
the
municipality
may
put
in
and
this
agreement
going
forward,
how
binding
are
they
to
the
operator
to
the
party
that's
selected
to
operate,
that
casino
I
mean
I,
understand
the
MTA
being
uniform
across
the
province.
So
how
can
we
as
a
municipality
put
in
conditions
in
those
and
how
could
they
be
binding
for
us
unless
we
make
it
ironclad
in
terms
of
either
the
mayor's
motion
going
forward
and
or
something
similar
to
that
I.
O
Is
covered
and
I
apologize
I
failed
to
highlight
that
at
the
outset
that
is
actually
a
question
that
that
go
asked
it's
it's
answered
in
the
letter
from
the
oil
G,
it's
the
last
section
on
page
2,
where
LG
says.
If
the
City
of
Ottawa
chooses
not
to
sign
this
mca,
then
the
mca
that
was
approved
by
the
city
in
december
of
2012
will
remain
in
effect,
so
existing
agreement
won't
be
replaced
by
the
new
one
and
I
think
the
city
treasurer
could
indicate
the
impact
on
that
would
be
one
of
revenue.
H
O
C
H
Mayor
you
in
December
of
2012,
you
signed
a
new
agreement
with
which
amended
the
formula
and
brought
it
to
what
it
is
in
this
agreement,
with
the
exception
that
it
did
not
have
gaming
tables,
that's
from
a
revenue
perspective.
That's
the
only
change
in
this
new
agreement.
So
if
you
didn't
sign
this,
the
old
agreement
for
being
for
us.
So
if
there
were
gaming
tables
put
in
there's
no
mechanism
for
us
to
share
in
that
revenue,
so
there
is
no
loss
right
now
from
us
from
a
not
signing
this
agreement.
Okay,.
R
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
mayor
I
have
a
motion
that
I'd
like
to
put
up
on
the
screen.
Mr.
mayor,
the
province
needs
us
far
more
than
we
need
them.
They
need
cities
across
this
province
to
agree
to
put
in
more
gambling
situations
for
them
to
make
money.
Many
cities
have
said
no
we're
one
of
the
few
that
have
said
yes,
so
I
don't
understand
why
we
seem
to
think
that
they
are
controlling
us
and
we
will
have
to
do
whatever
they
say
and
we
not
being
strong
in
our
recommendations
back
to
them.
R
My
motion
talks
about
the
liability
clause
being
eliminated
from
the
agreement.
I
think
it's
ridiculous
that
we
would
agree
that
we
will
be
liable
for
any
problems
that
occur
and
they
absolve
themselves
from
all
liability
and
I'm,
asking
that
the
board
of
health
recommendations
be
included
in
the
agreement.
No
we're
in
this
agreement
is
there
a
comment
about
the
health
problems
that
will
accrue
for
more
gambling
to
be
happening
in
this
municipality,
and
we
know
well
that
we
are
totally
underfunded
for
the
health
problems
that
we
already
have.
R
You
know
we
we're
also
asking
the
city
for
more
contributions,
but
that
is
not.
This
is
not
the
time
to
talk
about
the
city's
contribution.
This
is
a
time
to
try
and
get
better
contributions
from
the
provincial
government.
So
if
we
are
going
to
go
for
more
gambling
opportunity,
then
we
certainly
need
to
have
more
funding
for
those
people
who
are
problem
problem
gamblers
and
we
know
the
numbers
will
increase
with
the
opportunity
increasing.
So
mr.
mayor
I
ask
that
that
that
we
vote
for
the
recommendation
that
we
have
seconded
by
Councillor
deeds.
Okay,.
B
B
H
Can
only
speak
from
a
revenue
perspective
and
there's
no
difference
for
me
whether
you
vote
no
or
yes
on
this,
the
existing
agreement
gives
you
the
increased
revenue
from
the
slot
machines.
There
are
no
gaming
tables,
so
you're
not
losing
any
revenue
from
that.
So
I
can
just
give
you
the
finance
perspective
and
it
to
me
it's
neutral.
O
Extend
from
that,
the
issue-
I
guess
would
be
one
in
the
future.
Should
this
councillor
future
council
vote
in
support
of
a
redevelopment
at
RCR.
That
would
add
the
gaming
tables
the
revenue
sharing
agreement
that
would
be
in
place
at
that
time.
It
could
be
changed
at
that
time,
but
the
one
that
would
be
in
place
at
that
time
would
not
provide
for
revenue
sharing
on
the
revenues
from
the
gaming
tables.
B
Are
we
doing
questions
and
comments
or
we
are
okay?
Thank
you,
okay,
so
I'll
just
wrap
up
with
my
comments
in
I.
Would
that
support
councillor
Holmes
in
motion?
That's
all
I
need
to
say
on
that
one
concerned
as
guaranteed
that
they
will
respect
councils
rushers
when
it
comes
to
slots
and
tables.
I.
Think
that's
a
positive
step
for
the
city.
B
That's
something
that
a
lot
of
people
around
the
table
on
issues
with
and
I
think
it's
been
very
clear
data
and
a
warm
respect
that
the
city
has
been
accepting
money
without
any
issues
in
the
past,
from
Lidl
Carlton
and
from
the
province
I
should
say,
and
there's
not
been
any
issues
accepting
the
money.
I.
Think
as
we
look
move,
we
have
to
look
that
if
we
won't
know
today
that
we
are
probably
taking
a
step
back,
the
problem
says
clearly
stated
that
the
only
way
that
they
will
accept
emotion
is
we.
B
If
we
accept
all
the
amendments,
as
you
know,
I
have
issues
with
the
section.
5
and
I
had
clearly
stated
and
actually
tried
to
vote
against
it
at
the
federal
meeting.
But
basically,
if
it
comes
down
to
voting
against
section
5,
which
means
I
have
to
vote
against
this
proposal,
I
am
not
prepared
to
do
that.
I
think
that
we
have
to
move
forward
and
I
think
we
have
to
start
being
proactive.
Let's,
let's
do
what
we
had
set
out
to
do.
B
In
the
first
place,
it
was
always
about
going
through
an
RFP
operator
and
refurbished
casino
and
I
think
it's
time
that
we
move
forward.
It's
time
that
we
make
a
decision
and
it's
I,
think
I
think
it's
a
step
in
the
wrong
direction,
so
I
will
be
supported
into
motion
the
way
it
is
mr.
mayor.
Thank
you
great.
C
G
You
mr.
mayor
well,
mr.
mayor
my
problem
with
this
contribution
agreement
is
it's
clearly
one-sided.
It's
clearly
very
slanted
to
protect
the
interests
of
OLG,
but
it
does
not
protect
the
interests
of
the
City
of
Ottawa
or
our
citizens
and
our
taxpayers,
and
in
my
estimation
it
would
be
irresponsible
of
us
to
sign
on
to
this
agreement
in
its
current
state.
G
G
If
we
sign
this
municipal
contribution
agreement-
and
he
points
out
that
the
Board
of
Health
has
given
some
explicit
suggestions,
that
would
go
toward
harm
reduction
for
Pitt
for
problem
gamblers
and
for
us
to
sign
this
municipal
contribution
agreement,
but
not
adopt
the
Board
of
Health
recommendations
would
actually
probably
lead
to
a
court
case
where
the
city
could
be
found
liable,
because
we
were
told
by
our
Board
of
Health
that
there
were
harm
reduction
strategies.
And
yet
we
have
not
incorporated
them
into
the
municipal
contribution
agreement.
So
mr.
G
E
Respect
mr.
mayor,
no
I
do
not
agree
with
mr.
Simpson's
assessment
on
that
I
have
had
my
lawyers
and
external
lawyers.
Look
at
this
particular
Clause
in
depth.
Lee
and
I
do
not
agree
with
his
assessment.
With
regards
to
the
Board
of
Health
recommendations,
this
council
did
accept
what
was
sent
from
the
board
of
health,
health,
I,
think
save
and
except
for
one
Clause.
So
this
council
has
already
addressed
that
issue.
I
think
very
clearly
with
regards
to
the
proposal,
mr.
mayor,
to
remove
the
the
liability
clause.
E
I
have
said
before
at
committee
that
this
was
a
single
contract.
It
was
a
package
deal
and
is
not
severable
in
that
respect,
and
the
olg
has
told
us
that
on
numerous
occasions
the
more
practical
answer
mr.
mayor
is
if,
in
effect,
this
met
this
motion,
the
earlier
motion
story
with
regards
to
removing
the
liability
clause
was
successful
at
council.
As
you
have
heard,
you
will
be
then
left
with
the
November
2012
agreement.
We
has
the
exact
same
clause,
so
I
think
on
a
practical
basis.
E
E
G
I
suppose
that
I
mean
for
me
it
doesn't
mean
that
we
shouldn't
try
and
change
it
now
as
we
move
forward.
I,
don't
think
this
is
a
one-size-fits-all
province.
I,
don't
think
the
City
of
Ottawa
is
the
same
as
the
City
of
Kingston
or
the
City
of
Toronto
City
of
London
or
anywhere
else.
I.
Think
we're
all
different
and
I
think
that
we
should
have
the
right
to
enter
into
a
municipal
contribution
agreement
that
meets
our
requirements
and
concerns
moving
forward
and,
unfortunately,
I.
G
G
And
you
know
to
me:
it
just
goes
against
the
grain
to
to
be
promoting
gambling,
which,
in
effect
I
think,
is
what
that
Clause
ultimately
does
and
I
I.
Don't
think
that
it's
responsible
for
us
to
sign
on
to
that
for
this.
So
for
this
reason,
I
will
certainly
be
supporting
the
motion
from
councilor
homes
that
I've
went.
My
name
is
seconder
too,
and
presuming
that
this
goes
to
a
main
vote.
I
won't
be
supporting
this.
Thank
you.
Thank.
I
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
well
much
as
I
would
like
to
just
support
these
amendments.
The
fact
is
that
this
is
a
one-size-fits-all
agreement.
This
is
the
provinces
position
that
they
not
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
document
that
they
have
offered
everybody
who's
doing
hosting,
and
that
is
the
provincial
hosting
agreement,
the
board
of
health
recommendations.
A
O
We
have
not
checked
that,
but
that
the
oil
G
has
said
that
it
is
the
exact
same
agreement
that
has
presented
all
24
municipalities
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
22
have
signed
them
auto
in
Toronto
being
those
that
have
not
at
this
point
time
have
I
pulled
all
24
of
those
agreements
and
compared
them.
No
okay,.
A
E
Mr.
mayor,
if
you
vote
yes
to
the
agreement,
then,
as
the
treasurer's
indicated,
if
there
are
new
gaming
tables,
there
might
be
some
funding
at
some
point
in
the
future.
If
you
don't,
the
old
G
has
been
clear
that
they
will
stand
with
the
agreement
that
the
city
agreed
to
last
year
and
it
will
be
in
place,
in
my
opinion,
until
notice
is
given
by
theology
to
terminated
or
to
move
forward
in
some
fashion.
So
you
have
last
year's
agreement.
E
C
H
N
You
very
much
mr.
mayor
I,
wonder
if
our
treasurer
or
our
city,
solicitor
or
our
city
manager,
all
of
who
are
geniuses
in
their
own
right,
could
tell
us
succinctly
what
the
Delta
is
monetarily
between
the
2012
agreement
and
the
2013
agreements.
So
what
pecuniary
interest
is
the
city
give
up?
If
we
don't
sign
this
agreement
versus
the
other
one
succinctly
and
clearly
none.
O
N
The
mayor
mr.
Kilpatrick
you're,
saying
none
today
so
and
it's
very,
very
clear
that
we
default
back
to
the
2012
are
not
unfamiliar
with
that
point,
but
you're
talking
about
if
the
OLG
will
not
accept
what
from
the
city
in
the
future
sounds
murky
to
me
sounds
a
bit
gray
sounds
like
blackmail
to
sign
this
letter,
not
from
your
own.
O
O
N
Through
the
mayor,
and
just
just
to
clarify
on
that,
though,
I
think
that
this
council
has
signaled
its
intention
to
the
ologies.
So
if
you
were
to
send
a
letter
to
them
in
the
future,
we
want
21
gaming
tables
or
a
council
of
the
day.
Whatever
this
happens,
that
should
not
come
as
a
surprise
to
theology
I.
N
N
I
guess
mr.
mayor
I
know
the
city
solicitor
doesn't
like
to
to
speak
conclusively
about
what
could
happen,
and
maybe
mr.
Kirkpatrick
you
want
to
mention
that,
but
I
would
find
it
highly
unlikely
that
we
could
be
one
of
24
municipalities.
That
theology
would
say
you
wouldn't
do
what
we
told
you
to
do
in
October.
So
we're
not
going
to
respect
the
authority.
The
autonomy,
the
democracy
of
the
City
of
Ottawa
I,
find
that
hard
to
believe.
N
N
We've
asked
for
clarification
about
an
issue,
and
now
we're
being
told,
if
you
don't
do
the
cookie-cutter
boilerplates,
there's
a
possibility
that
this
council
could
enter
or
not
enter
into
an
agreement,
but
the
we
could
stagnate
a
process
that
future
councils
could
be
deprived
of
a
significant
amount
of
revenue
because
of
the
potential
obstinate
behavior
of
the
OLG.
So.
O
Mr.
mayor,
if
I
could
take
the
last
comment
from
the
councillor
as
a
question,
I
I
would
say
that
I
think
if
the
issue,
the
only
issue
between
Toyland
gaming
tables
being
out
at
RCR
and
I'm
not
being
added,
was
the
oil
G
agreeing
to
reoffer
revenue
sharing
agreement
that
had
revenue
sharing
on
gaming,
too
I
think
it
would
be
unlikely
that
your
OLG
would
not
agree
at
that
point
of
time.
So.
N
This
council
could
proceed
to
stick
with
the
status
quo,
wait
and
see
what
happens
and
then
take
our
chances
if
you
will,
which
is
kind
of
ironic,
considering
we're
talking
about
betting.
Mr.
mayor,
the
other
question
I
have
for
the
city
manager,
is
that
one
of
our
colleagues
around
the
table
alluded
to
the
fact
that
somehow,
by
accepting
this
agreement
and
I
and
I,
don't
mean
to
put
words
in
anyone's
mouth.
So
if
I
say
this
the
wrong
way
it's
not
intended,
but
that
by
accepting
this
agreement
were
somehow
tacitly
I.
N
O
O
N
O
O
C
Okay,
anyone
else
like
to
speak
on
this
issue
just
a
couple
of
quick
questions
or
observations.
One.
There
were
three
basic
issues
that
there
that
were
raised
in
fedko
that
that
had
some
members
of
committee
concern,
one
was
with
the
respect
with
respect
to
whether
the
OLG
would
respect
our
limit
of
21
table
games
and
1250
machines.
We've
been
told
at
least
five
times
I
counted
by
mr.
Kirkpatrick.
They
will
accept
that
and
I
have
absolutely
no
reason
to
think
otherwise
that
they
have
given
us.
C
Ai
they've
told
me
personally,
they
put
it
in
writing
and
I
think
you
know
we
can
argue
and
and
take
whacks
at
the
OLG
all
day,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
they
are
not
going
to
go
back
on
what
this
council
has
said,
because
that's
in
their
mandate,
they've
indicated
that
the
council
has
the
say
on
the
location
and
we've
set
the
parameters
in
terms
of
the
number
of
tables
and
slots.
The
second
point
is
with
respect
to
the
community
recognition.
C
We've
all
been
to
events
with
other
levels
of
government
where
we've
been
there
with
novelty
checks
and
we've
been
up
on
stage
and
we've
praised
the
other
level
of
government
as
a
partner.
This
is
nothing
more,
nothing
less,
simply
asking
us
to
participate
in
a
recognition
program,
no
cost
to
us
full
cost
to
the
OLG.
You
know
it's
similar
to
what
we've
done.
C
For
instance,
when
we,
when
the
oil
G
launched
the
snow
bus
during
Winterlude,
I
and
other
members
of
council
were
there
for
that
announcement,
because
it
was
a
significant
contribution
to
Winterlude
that
would
transport
people
from
the
downtown
across
the
jacques-cartier
park,
and
so
on
and
I
don't
see
any
problem
with
any
other
level
of
government
asking
for
some
recognition
of
where
the
money
that
has
been
raised
is
going.
We
like
that
ourselves
as
members
of
council.
We
appreciate
the
fact
that
various
festivals
recognize
us
with
our
logo
and
thanked
us
for
their
support.
C
With
respect
to
the
liability
issue.
I
think
we've
heard
from
the
city
treasurer
in
response
to
councillor
Dean's
question
very
clearly.
This
is,
in
essence,
the
same
agreement
that
all
of
us
three
members
of
council,
voted
for
in
November,
2012,
pretty
standard
template
agreement,
and
the
final
point
is
the
impact.
Some
members
ask
the
obvious
question:
what
are
the
consequences
of
us
not
supporting
this
agreement?
C
Well
in
the
immediate
term,
there's
really
no
consequence,
because
we
have
the
existing
November
2012
agreement
in
place
for
revenue
sharing,
but
the
majority
of
this
council
voted
to
add
table
games,
and
so
it
would
seem
a
little
bizarre,
to
put
it
mildly,
that
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
heavy
lifting
to
get
those
table.
Games
now
tell
the
OLG
don't
bother
giving
us
extra
funds
for
those
table
games,
and
so,
as
we
proceed
down
the
years,
every
revenue
stream
is
important
to
us.
So
it
would
send
a
rather
mixed
signal.
C
I
think
when
you
think
about
this
for
a
moment
that
we
asked
for
table
games,
but
we
receive
zero
benefit
because
we're
upset
with
one
or
two
of
the
clauses
which
every
other
municipality,
with
the
exception
of
Toronto,
has
signed.
So
I
ask
you
to
think
about
that
and
we
have
two
motions.
The
first
is
councillor:
I,
don't
counselor
Taylor.
Are
you
moving
that
direction?
Okay,
so
I
apologize?
We
have
three
so
there's
councillor
Taylor
seconded
by
myself
and
it
is
I'll.
C
The
next
is
council
herb,
Louis
and
Minette.
It's
a
technical
requirement
and
I
apologize.
I
take
responsibility.
I
allowed
councillor
Manette
to
separate
section
5,
which
was
not
permitted
under
the
rule
so
on
his
technical
amendment
carried
the
next
one
councillor
Holmes
and
councillor,
Dean's
that
the
liability
Clause
be
eliminated
for
the
mint
municipality
municipality
contribution
agreement
and
the
de
Borda
health
recommendation.
We
included
in
this
agreement.
I'll
ask
the
city,
solicitor
and
clerk
is
this
motion
in
order.
C
E
Mayor
I
I
do
not
believe
it's
in
order
for
the
purposes
because,
for
the
purposes
of
this
debate,
with
regards
to
the
first
part
again
and
you've
explained
your
ruling
previously,
the
deputy
and
I
both
felt
that
the
the
additional
document
that
you
looked
at
the
contract
was
not
a
separable
document.
Under
all
the
circumstances,
so
I
would
suggest
the
first
Clause
is
out
of
order
with
regard
to
the
second
one.
E
It's
a
little
bit
more
complicated
I
know
that
this
council
on
August
28,
approved
a
number
of
recommendations
arising
from
the
Health
Board
and
when
I
look
at
them,
I
see
their
recommendations
with
regards
to
the
board
the
city,
the
successful
proponent,
at
the
end
of
the
day
and
the
OLG.
So
there's
a
number
of
jurisdictional
issues
that
arise
and
I
fear.
Mr.
E
mayor,
that,
without
greater
clarity,
ie
going
line
by
line
through
them
and
trying
to
sort
them
all
out
and
please
I'm
not
suggesting
that
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
would
be
arguable
that
it's
void
for
vagueness.
In
addition,
if
you
can't,
as
the
OLG
has
been
very
clear
with
us
subtract
clauses
from
their
agreement,
I
would
suggest
that
you
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
add
them
and
then
I
would
go
back
to
the
non
severability
issue.
So.
E
E
K
C
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
Ottawa
stadium,
300
Coventry
Road
results
of
the
request
for
offers
I'd
like
to
point
out
in
the
audience
we
have
miles
wolf,
who
is
the
Commissioner
of
the
can-am
league,
who
has
traveled
from
Raleigh
Durham
North
Carolina
welcome
mr.
wolf
and
thank
you
for
making
the
trip
here
today.
So
council
herb
Louis.
You
have
questions
and
comments,
please
sorry!
Just
before
mr.
Kilpatrick
is
there
anything
else
new.
That
council
needs
to
be
notified
about
on
this
agreement.
Since
committee.
M
Floor
is
yours
for
questions
and
comments.
Thank
you,
mr.
mayor.
Mr.
mayor
I,
don't
want
to
rehash
the
whole
chronology
of
how
we
got
here
because
obviously
there's
a
number
of
leases
in
the
past
as
a
litany
of
legal
actions
that
have
taken
place,
we've
gone
through
RF,
rfqs,
RFPs,
but
I
do
have
some
questions
in
terms
of
how
we
arrived
at
this
point
and
how
we're
getting
sort
of
the
best
value
for
the
city
and
for
the
taxpayer
and
I
want
to
start
off
with
I.
Do
want
to
go
back
to
around
2009.
M
A
couple
more
reports
is
what
exactly
the
economic
opportunities
would
have
been
at
this
site,
and
can
somebody
refresh
my
memory
here
in
terms
of
the
work
that
our
real
estate
people
would
have
done
to
to
break
this
down?
To
tell
us
why
the
best
economic
use
isn't
something
different
and
I
don't
know
if
there
was
ever
a
formal
report
actually
submitted
to
Council
on
that
mayor.
O
I,
don't
believe
there
was
the
and
I.
Don't
have
that
information
in
front
of
me
today
and
in
fact,
I
can't
really
recall
much
from
my
mind
and
even
if
I
could
it
would
be
about
two
years
old
and
so
I
guess
the
the
direct
answer
to
your
question
is
I.
Couldn't
tell
you
today
what
the
economic
benefits
of
those
alternatives
would
be.
M
But
I
would
think,
though,
in
terms
of
I'm
looking
at
the
report
or
the
the
council
motion
and
direction
from
December
2009
and
those
three.
Those
three
options
were
clearly
spelled
out
and
I.
I
would
think
that
by
being
here
today
or
by
having
gone
through
a
number
of
steps,
that
two
of
those
three
were
eliminated
on
some
basis
on
some
grounds.
O
M
With
respect
to
the
proposal
that's
before
us
now
and
and
I
guess,
it's
being
couched
in
terms
of
it's
better
than
spending
40
million
dollars
for
a
for
the
proposal
that
would
have
involved
a
double-a
franchise
and
I
guess
that
makes
around
five
million
dollars.
Look
a
lot
more
palatable
in
terms
of
that
five
million.
O
Mayor,
perhaps
before
I
answer
the
priority
question:
if
I
can
understand
it
that
way,
council
blows
I
just
like
to
have
mr.
rocky
confirm
what
the
I
think
when
you're
talking
with
the
five
million
that
was
roughly
what
council
had
approved
as
a
capital
investment
of
the
stadium.
We
should
reconfirm
what
the
the
numbers
are
in
terms
of
this
proposal:
they're
less
and
then
I'll
answer
the
priority
piece
of
the
question.
Well,.
M
Q
Mr.
mayor,
the
in
since
we
received
the
initial
approval
for
the
the
5.7
million
that
was
initially
identified
in
2012,
we
spent
approximately
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
lifecycle
activities
in
2013
were
spending
approximately
900
thousand.
These
are
basic
life
cycle
and
then
for
2014,
we're,
anticipating
five
hundred
thousand
that's
for
basic
life
cycle
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
we've
identified
in
the
report
before
you
today,
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
that
would
go
towards
upgrading
the
lighting
facility
at
the
stadium
and.
M
I
know
your
reference,
for
instance,
of
seven
fifty
that
was
spent
already
the
additional
a
life
cycle
this
year
next
year,
but
I'm.
Looking
at
this,
the
source
of
this
funds,
for
instance
I'm
looking
at
parks
that
can't
be
fully
developed,
I've
got
parks
right
now
we
were
telling
community
groups
to
go
out
and
do
their
own
fundraising
on
brand-new
parks.
These
are
because
development
charges
aren't
sufficient,
so
we've
got
sports
groups
that
are
talking
about.
They
want
to
convert
fields,
upgrade
fields
are
being
told
to
go
out
and
do
major
capital
partnerships.
M
Some
of
them
are
going
to
the
bank
to
sign
sign
their
life
away
because
they
can't
get
the
money
from
the
city.
Yet,
where
we're
willing
to
cough
this
money
up
for
a
facility
that,
under
our
own,
you
know
what
at
what
it's
telling
us
is
even
as
a
vacant
facility,
it
is
costing
us
money.
The
site
is
being
basically
tied
up
for
ten
years
here
and
without
any
option
to
move
forward.
I
know
it's
to
five
year
to
five
year
leases
without
an
option
to
move
forward
and
do
something
else.
M
O
O
Then
the
report
identifies
$300,000
a
year
of
lifecycle
spending
and
then,
if
you
net,
what
did
we
net
away
from
that?
Well,
what
we
would
net
away
from
the
the
lease
is
about
four
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
year
in
terms
of
the
km
contribution
to
the
so
minimum
rent,
additional
rent
of
a
hundred
thousand
additional
rent
of
250
thousand,
and
then
a
contribution
lifecycle
of
about
a
hundred
thousand.
O
So
the
way
I
would
recommend
that
you
consider
it
is
for
six
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
year,
including
the
life
cycling
of
that
facility,
which
probably
something
like
two
to
three
hundred
thousand
of
that
we'd
be
looked
at
looking
at
anyway,
even
if
we
were
mothballing
that
facility,
but
to
be
most
conservative,
six
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
year.
The
benefit
is
50km
baseball
games
a
year
and
at
a
minimum,
something
between
sixty
and
seventy
five
days
of
city,
public
city
programming
in
that
facility,
so
community
public
use.
O
The
report
then
goes
to
talk
about,
though
we
are
we're
going
to
go.
Look
to
see
if
we
can
better
that
public
sector
value
equation
by
taking
a
look
at
what
other
tendencies
can
we
put
into
that
facility
by
looking
at
how
we
could
expand
the
sixty
to
seventy-five
days
of
community
use
to
more
with
the
investment
in
in
a
an
artificial
field?
And
it's
there
a
business
case
for
that,
but
at
a
minimum.
M
I'm
glad
you
mentioned
the
artificial
turf,
because,
over
and
above
the
costs
that
you
just
cited,
there's
reference
in
there
to
the
lights
need
to
be
replaced.
I,
don't
believe,
that's
included
in
the
lifecycle
costs.
Yet
that's
and
that's
an
over
and
above
cost
consideration
of
an
artificial
turf.
If
we
want
to
treat
everybody
equal
and
things
equal,
we're
telling
other
groups
if
they
want
artificial
turf,
go
out
and
find
a
way
to
pay
for
it.
M
We're
telling
groups
that
if
they
want
lights,
I
mean
even
if
they
want
lights
in
a
parking
lot
that
they
have
to
pay
for
it.
There
there's
an
unequal
treatment
here,
but
I
want
to
go
back
to
my
original
question
and
maybe
mister
auntie.
You
can
clarify
something
for
me.
There's
there
was
a
gap
in
time
between
when,
when
the
previous
council
said,
let's
look
at
these
options
and
let's
see
what
is
the
value
of
this
property?
M
What
are
the
economic
benefits
and
let's
get
a
wholesome
look
here,
which
we
you
never
saw
and
somewhere
along
the
way
when
this
counts,
the
the
current
council
gave
direction.
There
must
have
been
some
work
done
on
it.
There
was
a
significant
gap
in
terms
of
time
for
someone
to
look
at
and
saying
you
know.
If,
if
we
took
the
full
value
of
this,
we
could
build
a
smaller
customized
baseball
facility
somewhere,
and
we
could
still
get
the
benefits
out
of
this,
that
that
is
being
cast
aside.
Q
Mr.
mayor
2009
predates
myself
here
but
I
can't
say
there
was
a
a
report
that
was
being
drafted
to
take
to
committee
to
further
look
at
some
economic
opportunities,
but
in
terms
of
values
and
and
such
staff
did
not
had
not
pursued.
That
level
of
detail
was
more
trying
to
get
additional
direction
from
committee
and
council
to
to
move
forward
with
to
really
look
at
the
value
of
the
land.
Okay,.
M
Well,
mr.
mayor,
let
me
let
me
just
conclude,
because
I
see
my
time
has
has
expired
and
was
rather
well
I'm
just
doing
a
quick
wrap-up
here,
so
I.
Look
at
this
I.
Look
at
the
fact
that
we've
committed
to
building
the
pedestrian
overpass
and
there
isn't
one
person
around
this
table
who
committed
to
that
because
some
some
baseball
fans
are
going
to
be
going
from
the
transit
station
or
from
the
train
station
across
to
a
ballgame.
This
is
not
anti
baseball.
This
is
about.
Is
there
a
proper
facility
out
there?
M
C
D
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
mayor
I
will
not
be
supporting
this
motion
to
spend
more
than
six
million
dollars
of
taxpayers
money
over
the
next
ten
years
on
the
can-am
league
team,
which
is
being
referred
to
in
the
median
on
radio
as
a
friends-and-family,
League
I'm
sure
there
are
some
people
who
believe
that
investing
in
the
five-team
can-am
league
is
a
good
investment,
but
I
don't
share
that
opinion.
D
I
cannot
be
convinced
that
this
product
will
ever
draw
the
number
of
fans
needed
to
support
the
team
and
because
of
that,
I
cannot
support
the
investment
of
residents
hard-earned
money
into
a
stadium
that
we
are
being
asked
to
do
today.
Really
in
your
summation
at
Petco
meeting
last
week,
you
said
that
we
cannot
just
be
negative
Nellie's
and
that,
if
we
do
not
support
this
particular
project
that
we
need
to
also
put
forward
an
alternative.
So,
mr.
D
I'd
like
to
ask
if
I
could
a
couple
of
questions
as
well,
we
have
been
searching
for
years
for
a
great
baseball
proposal
without
success.
Does
counsel
herb.
Louis
has
pointed
out.
Some
would
say
that
baseball
at
any
cost
to
taxpayers
is
acceptable,
but
I
want
to
I'm
gonna
skip
ahead
here.
Mr.
mayor
and
just
get
right
to
the
point,
staff
could
tell
me
what
the
capacity
of
the
field
is
as
compared
to
what
the
attendance
estimates
per
gain
for
this
league
is
anticipated
to
be
so.
Q
D
At
the
best
estimate,
we're
talking
about
half
filling
this
statement.
Well,
we
still
need
you
could
I'd
like
to
know.
Do
we
still
need
to
build
the
pedestrian
bridge
if
this
is
the
leak
that
we
are
talking
about,
bringing
into
the
stadium,
or
will
we
find
a
savings
there
and
not
have
to
build
the
bridge?
Mr.
O
Mayor
the
the
value
equation
for
that
bridge
goes
far
beyond
the
potential
use
that
people
going
to
see
baseball
in
that
stadium
would
make
of
it
it's.
It
is
a
piece
of
infrastructure
that
spans.
We
all
know
what
the
highway
is
a
barrier.
It
is,
and
it's
important
in
terms
of
being
able
to
maximize
the
transit
oriented
development
that
will
take
place
around
the
station
south
of
the
of
the
417
and
connecting
it
north
of
the
417
and,
frankly,
it's
connection
in
terms
of
supporting
baseball
well
will
be
a
big
benefit
to
baseball.
D
D
And
when
we
look
at
the
estimates
that
are
put
in
here
where
the
the
report
that
was
recently
table
tells
us
that
we're
looking
at
approximately
three
hundred
sixty
thousand
dollars
in
cost
to
mothball
this
on
an
annual
basis,
which
is
very
close
to
the
four
hundred
thousand
of
is
listed
in
the
report
for
Bradon
costs.
Is
that
correct?
D
Q
D
Before
I
ask
a
couple
of
questions
about
what's
included
in
that
mothballing
I'd
like
to
ask
I,
did
ask
at
fedko
to
have
provided
to
me
a
breakdown
of
those
mothball
costs.
I've
got
a
couple
of
sheets
that
were
delivered,
but
they
don't
seem
to
add
up.
I'll
bring
your
attention
to
a
couple
of
examples
in.
D
February
28
2011,
the
Ottawa
Business
Journal
reports,
staff,
estimating
math
mothballing
costs
of
the
stadium
would
be
77,000
a
year.
So
in
two
short
years
we've
gone
from
77
to
360
in
the
2009
report
that
was
referenced
earlier
on
baseball.
The
mothballing
costs
are
estimated
at
11,000
a
year.
So
there's
big
differences
in
these
numbers
over
a
short
period
of
time.
Just
wonder
if
you
could
speak
to
why
we
would
see
such
big
differences.
O
Mr.
mayor
I
think
it
probably
comes
down
to
what
the
definite
and
I
can't
remember
the
context
of
the
previous
numbers,
but
I
would
guess
in
fact
I'd
be
sure
that
the
difference
is
in
what
is
the
definition
of
mothball
costs
if
the
definition
of
mothball
costs
is
that
the
building
is
not
occupied,
it
isn't
programmed,
but
we
will
spend
the
money
that
were
required
to
from
a
legislative
or
safety
or
regulatory
framework,
and
we
will
spend
the
money
that
will
prevent
the
asset
from
falling
into
the
ground.
O
That's
when
you
get
into
something
like
the
order
of
three
thousand
dollars
a
year
if
it
is
put
a
lock
on
it
and
let
it
fall
into
the
ground
and
don't
monitor
it
and
don't
run
security
around
to
see
what's
happening
in
that
building.
While
it's
sitting
vacant,
you
can
get
to
a
much
lower
number
and
I.
Imagine
that
explains
the
difference.
Peter.
Can
you
add
anything
to
that.
Q
Mr.
mayor,
that
that
would
be
accurate
and
in
terms
of
operational
costs
from
a
mothballing
perspective,
there
are
miscellaneous
repairs
that
need
to
get
done,
there's
still
snow
clearing,
it
needs
to
get
done
because
you
still
have
to
have
a
fire
route
and,
as
mr.
Kirkpatrick
pointed
out,
there
are
legislative
requirements
for
various
inspections,
as
well
as
security
for
the
facilities.
Stocks,
though,
needs
to
have
security,
drive
around
the
state
and
make
sure
no
one's
breaking
into
the
facility.
Thank
you
in.
D
Fact,
one
of
those
costs
that's
listed
in
one
of
the
two
spreadsheets
I
was
provided
with,
shows
half
an
FTE
to
be
the
first
contact
in
case
there
is
a
fire
and
we're
putting
that
at
35,000
a
year
or
three
hundred
and
seventy-five
thousand
over
the
10-year
contract.
Look
how
many
fire
alarms
do
we
expect
to
get
at
this
facility
that
it
would
take
a
half
an
FTE
to
cover
these
firearms
I
am
kind
of
surprised
to
see
that
number
like.
Maybe
this
is
a
risk
to
the
community
to
leave
this
facility
standing
mr.
Q
Mayor
the
first
point
of
contact
is
more
than
than
just
firearms
would
be
any
inquiry
for
the
stadium,
whether
there's
kids,
spraying
graffiti
or
just
hanging
out
at
the
stadium
or
if
there's
a
water
leak
at
the
stadium
and
and
even
if
it's
mothballed,
the
staff
person
would
still
need
to
to
go
into
the
facility
just
to
make
sure
or
any
pipes
broken
errs
and
any
any
incidents
going
on
inside
the
stadium.
So.
D
Q
D
D
D
C
B
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
first
of
all
be
very
clear
that
I
will
not
support
that
motion.
I,
think
we've
had
a
clear
indication
from
Council
and
the
RFP
and
the
staff
followed
what
it
was
intended
to
me,
and
that
was
to
find
out
what
interested
we
have
to
use
this
facility
as
a
baseball
stadium.
My
first
option
obviously
would
have
been
the
highest
level
of
all
which
would
have
been
EE.
B
Unfortunately,
after
looking
at
10
the
numbers
that
would
not
be
an
option
so
in
basically
we
have
three
options
in
front
of
us
number
one
is
vote
against
and
the
motion
which
will
create
three
scenarios:
what
ball
the
stadium
we
create
another
Southside
sends,
and
yes,
if
you're
looking
at
developing
this
for
another
condo
or
something
like
that,
maybe
that's
a
way
to
go.
The
introversive
number
two
is
reintroduce
the
discussion
of
demolishing
the
stadium.
B
The
community
has
been
loud
and
clear
that
the
enlightening
they
preferred
a
stadium
to
stay
as
a
profession
as
as
as
a
baseball,
stadium
and
I
think
it
has
been
loud
and
clear
that
that's
the
direction
that
the
council
had
supported,
option
laboratory
is
vote
against
this
canon
proposal
and
accept
Double
A.
If
we
accept
Double
A
we're
looking
at
forty
two
point:
three
million
dollars
just
for
start-up
costs,
annual
operating
costs
will
be
three
point:
five
million
dollars
and
they'll
be
a
20-year
lease.
B
If
you
look
at
cannon,
looking
at
750,000,
startup
costs
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
annually,
which
is
not
much
more
than
what
ball
in
the
stadium
and
ten
thousand
ten
year
lease
with
two
possible
five-year
options,
also
transition
rally
and
move
the
motion
that,
after
ten
years
we
in
look
at
under
possibilities
for
the
stadium
councillors,
I
mentioned
about
community
fields.
Many
community
uses
are
needed.
One
of
the
things
that
we
will
be
looking
at
in
this
proposal
is
to
increase
community
use
in
the
stadium
not
only
for
baseball
but
for
all
kinds
of
community
events.
B
I
unsated
at
the
federal
meeting
that
I
had
visions.
That
was
not
only
from
the
Canon
when
I'd
like
to
see
the
national
baseball
team.
Take
the
part
in
that
location,
as
well
as
women's
national
baseball
team,
I'd
like
to
see
provincial
and
national
tournaments
at
this
location,
I'd
like
to
see
recreation
events
and
community
events
on
a
regular
basis
at
the
stadium
and
that's
what
direction
that
staffer
meant
Mary
made
clear
is
that
we
want
you
to
maximize
the
use
of
the
stadium.
B
And
also
David
Garland's
from
the
champions
of
baseball
he's
also
been
very
involved
when
promoting
baseball
and
it's
great
to
see
both
and
I'm
sitting
together,
break-even
point
that
was
mentioned
in
just
a
couple
of
minutes
ago.
Actually
a
break-even
point
for
in
the
cannon
league
is
roughly
around
2500
attendance,
that
I'm
sure
we
can
achieve
the
Ottawa
fat
cats
alone
achieve
2500
to
300
mm
attendance
and
the
playoffs
they
average
around
7,000
attending
the
games
cannon
is
a
professional
baseball
league.
B
The
Ottawa
stadium
is
a
professional
baseball
stadium
until
as
we
move
forward,
there's
been
discussion
about
knee
the
bridge,
that's
crossing
over
and
the
value
of
the
land.
I
agree
we
do
more
with
the
land,
but
the
baseball
stadium
is
something
that
we
should
protect.
There
has
been
discussion
about
redeveloping
the
parkings
part
of
the
the
not
none
is
something
like
that,
and
one
of
the
equations
that
I
made
sure
that
was
put
in
place.
B
If
we
is
that
the
parking
is
protected
for
future
baseball
links,
so
whenever
we
have
in
parking
that
would
be
protected
if
we
ever
developed
it
in
forever,
then
we
offset
some
of
the
costs
and
they'll
party.
So
it's
not
as
much
of
a
burden
on
the
taxpayers.
I
think
we
have
one
of
the
nicest
baseball
stadiums
in
Canada
and
to
continue
I
mean
the
discussion
and
not
tearing
it
down.
I
find
it's
kind
of
sad,
because
I
think
once
you
tear
it
down,
you
will
not
see
another
stadium
of
that
magnitude.
B
Yes,
there
will
be
another
up.
Numbers
I
only
have
30
seconds.
Yes,
I
noticed
that
we,
the
cost
of
it,
was
17
million
to
build,
but
that
stadium
has
worked
a
lot
more
than
17
million
today
and
I
own
people
around
the
table
to
support
the
motion.
Let's
carry
forward
and
met
something
that
miles
Wolfe
and
David,
where
they
show
what
we
can
do
with
baseball
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
Thank
You.
Mr.
Wright.
J
J
So
I'm
really
wrestling
with
this
one,
because
nobody
likes
to
to
close
in
on
certain
sports,
but
even
last
February
in
2012,
councilor,
Louis
and
myself
and
here's
some
of
the
concerns
I'm
really
having
and
wrestling
with.
We
looked
at
using
one
of
our
own
half
FTEs,
one
of
our
own
city,
FTS,
a
half
a
half
body
that
was
required
for
the
meat
inside
and
this
report
is
saying:
we'll
need
a
body
and
a
half.
Now
that's
more
cost
the
taxpayer
again.
J
So
so
so
the
costs
keep
going
up,
but
I
don't
see
any
revenue
model,
that's
going
to
help
us
out
and
I
think
in
the
words
of
Albert
Einstein.
The
definition
of
insanity
is
doing
the
same
thing
over
and
over
again
and
expecting
a
different
result.
I
really
was
hoping
we'd
see
the
MLB
affiliate
in
place,
something
that's
going
to
drive
the
energy
and
drive
the
marketing.
J
L
It's
its
recommendation,
number
five
that
speaks
of
the
10-year
lease
agreement,
I'm
just
wondering
what
are
the
situation
so
under
which
situation
would
the
agreement
fall
in
terms
of
the
city,
because
it
seems
that
you
know
there's
there
seems
to
be
an
out
clause
after
a
10
years,
but
what
happens
during
the
10
years?
If
you
know
a
franchisee
doesn't
come
forward
or
if
the
franchisee
does
come
forward,
but
is
moved
well,
what
are
the
responsibilities
they're
there.
O
In
terms
of
the
the
net
costs
that
we
spoke
about
earlier,
with
counsel
blows,
the
the
lease
terms
that
have
been
agreed
to
in
the
MOU
include
the
only
revenue
that
is
secured
during
the
term
of
the
lease
is
one
year's
minimum
rent
would
be
a
performance
bond
or
a
lot
of
credit
for
that
other
than
that.
It's
a
contract
that
if
it
was
if
the
canon
franchise
was
to
prove
to
be
unsuccessful
or
folded
or
walked
away
from
the
agreement,
that's
all
we
have.
O
The
security
for
I
can
always
sue
people
for
non-performance
under
contract,
but,
frankly,
I
would
tell
counsel
you
should
make
your
decision,
assuming
that
one
year's
rent
is
guaranteed.
I.
Think,
though,
what's
important
to
mention
is
that
that
is
exactly
the
same.
Guarantee
was
provided
for
under
the
the
second
bid
as
well.
It
is
typically
what
we
see
when
we
go
on
research,
minor
baseball,
you
don't
get
guarantees
guarantees
beyond
one
or
two
years,
rent
being
guaranteed
and
I.
O
Think
it's
important
to
take
a
look
at
I
mean
that
folds
right
into
the
risk
assessment
that
staff
talked
about
in
the
report.
In
terms
of
the
amount
of
investment
and
the
risk
that's
associated
with
it
in
terms
of
ongoing
benefits,
in
this
case
not
very
much
of
the
revenues
guaranteed,
but
there's
a
very
minimal
upfront
capital
investment
that
goes
along
with
that.
A
L
Of
Ottawa
took
ownership
of
that
land.
It
became
a
park.
We
describe
it
now
as
a
baseball
park,
but
it's
still
a
city
asset.
So
when
I
hear
of
you
know,
we
could
be
working
on
other
parks.
Well,
guess
what
that
is
a
park,
and
you
know
it's:
it's
a
big
infrastructure.
It's
got
10,000
seats
granted
and
you
know
under
the
current
proposal.
L
L
Okay,
we
didn't
triple-a
is
not
coming
back,
but
we
have
a
commissioner
that
seems
dedicated
he's
here
today
and
we
hope
him
all
the
best
in
terms
of
fulfilling
a
good,
a
good
level
of
baseball
in
Ottawa.
That
brings
me
to
my
following
point:
50
games.
We
have
315
days
to
fill
and
that's
where
our
focus,
in
my
mind,
should
get
at
counsel.
That's
our
responsibility
as
a
city
is
to
fill
that
stadium
with
all
sorts
of
activities
all
year
round.
It
should
be,
you
know,
just
a
white
snowed
in
structure
all
winter.
L
There
should
be
outdoor
as
soon
as
as
the
worst
comes
to
worse,
or
there
should
be
a
dome
to
bring
in
to
bring
in
some
field
activity.
If
possible,
I
mean
those
are
the
types
of
investment
that
I
think
council
can
get
around.
It
is
again
once
again
a
public
park
and
there
is
some
assets
for
office
space
at
that
stadium.
That
cannot
be
neglected.
L
We
might
easily
be
able
to
offset
some
of
the
some
of
the
investment
in
terms
of
that
and
I'll
wrap
up
by
saying
this,
it
was
an
investment
in
the
1990s
I.
Think
that
the
stadium
was
designed
and
built
early
or
late,
80s
early
90s
an
investment,
and
we
didn't
continue
the
investment
we
left
it
and
it.
You
know
unfortunately,
now
we're
caught
and
into
in
terms
of
a
reinvestment
for
for
climbing
writing
and
all
that
nice
stuff
to
get
it
up
fitted
to
a
an
appropriate
level.
L
I
Thank
You
mr.
mayor.
Well,
it's
rather
interesting
to
hear
some
of
this
stuff
fleece
term.
Well,
the
lease
term
protects
two
people
protects
us
and
protects
the
lessee
who
needs
a
certain
amount
of
time
to
build
product
recognition,
product
acceptance
and
all
those
kind
of
things
with
standard
business
requirement.
We
did
try
a
soccer
bubble,
I
think
the
one
from
Lansdowne
it
wouldn't
fit.
That
doesn't
mean
another
one
might
not
fit
the
ped
Bridge
well,
the
ped
bridge
has
train
yards
has
LRT.
I
I
Frankly,
it
will
make
it
more
attractive
if
we
have
a
ped
bridge
and
an
LRT
in
there,
and
we
hope
to
have
that
in
the
next
few
years
community
use
we
did
get
some
community
use
this
summer
and
it's
viable
to
have
community
use.
We've
determined
that
the
the
whole
notion
of
having
it
instead
of
a
lease
that
says
you
have
a
hundred
percent
use
of
the
stadium
and
all
of
the
ancillary
naming
rights
and
all
that
other
stuff
there's
a
collaboration
there
which
may
improve
the
revenue
picture.
People
talk
about
revenue
model
revenue
model.
I
For
this
thing
it
person
than
a
person
that
I
have
well
I'd
like
to
know
what
the
revenue
model
is
for
that
ice
surface
we
put
in
out
on
Sheffield,
Road
and
I
can
tell
you
it's
not
positive
and
the
development
possibilities.
We
could
tear
that
down
and
put
up
towers.
The
development
company
probably
paid
good
money
for
that
site.
The
reality
is
that
we're
not
talking
about
alternative
uses,
we're
talking
about
a
purpose-built
stadium.
I
It's
a
belt
to
have
baseball,
that's
built
to
add
yet
one
more
attraction
to
the
overall
city,
and
it
was
built
many
years
ago
as
I
was
involved
somehow
or
other
along
with
Jim
Darrell
and
the
the
realities
are
that
this
is
a
fine
Stadium.
It
may
be
a
little
call
it
large
for
the
particularly
queer
looking
at,
but
the
particularly
also
is
professional
baseball
league
and
there's
lots
of
stories
about
people
coming
from
the
independent
leagues
into
major
league
ball.
I
This
is
not
necessarily
all
going
to
be
people
with
their
walkers
coming
out
to
the
baseball
park
to
play
baseball.
You
know.
The
images
that
have
been
portrayed
here
are
all
negative
and
it
just
bothers
me
a
little
bit
to
see
all
that
negativity.
That's
coming
from
around
the
table.
I
know
it's
not
in
Kanata,
but
that
doesn't
mean
you
can't
support
it
in
East
End,
the.
I
M
I
The
purpose
is
baseball
and
whether
or
not
we
can
attract
in
the
future
a
higher
level
affiliate
if
we
don't
do
anything
to
keep
the
stadium
and
in
good
shape.
Now
that's
going
to
be
even
farther
away
than
it
is
so
that
we
do
two
things
with
this:
we
cover
lifecycle
improvements.
We
get
some
use
out
of
the
stadium,
that's
for
the
purpose
and
we
can
get
community
events
in
there
if
we
keep
the
facility
up
to
up-to-date.
So
quite
clearly,
this
is
a
win
for
the
community.
My
community
in
the
city,
Thank.
M
C
M
M
M
B
K
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
mayor,
you
know,
I
would
have
liked
to
have
had
the
amendment
dealt
with
before
the
main
report,
but
I
can
speak
to
both
at
the
same
time
there
are.
There
are
probably
not
many
bigger
baseball
fans
in
this
room
other
than
me,
except
for
maybe
the
exception
of
councillor.
Manette
I
grew
up
watching
the
Blue
Jays
I.
K
Remember
when
Roberto
Alomar
hit
the
home
run
in
the
ALCS
against
the
A's
to
send
them
to
the
World
Series
and
the
Blue
Jays
have
been
my
team
for
as
long
as
I
can
remember.
That
being
said,
I'm
not
sure
that
we've
properly
explore
all
the
potential
with
this
site.
How
creative
have
we
gotten
in
in
leveraging
the
the
offer
of
double-a
baseball?
What
other?
What
other
opportunities
for
the
site
may
exist?
K
That
may
also
allow
us
to
do
double
a
baseball
or
some
other
form
of
of
ball
and
nothing
against
the
the
the
league
in
the
group
that
wants
to
come
in
at
present,
but
it's
certainly
not
I
think
what
I
was
hoping
for
and
expecting
and
I
think
the
the
people
were
hoping
for
an
expecting
and
I
understand.
We
can't
always
get
what
we
want,
as
the
Rolling
Stones
have
made
famous,
but
I'd
like
to
see
us
look
for
alternatives
for
this
site
without
getting
into
something
we
can't
get
out
of
today.
K
I'm
not
sure
if
we've
looked
at
p3s,
how
we
might
do
a
land
exchange
for
renovations
of
the
seeding
etc.
So
I
would
certainly
support
the
motion
by
by
Councillor
hubli
and
if
that
did
not
pass
I
would
I
I'm
not
sure
I
could
I
could
support
the
the
recommendation
from
the
report.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
G
G
So
I'm
not
convinced
at
all
in
any
way
that
we're
going
to
make
a
go
that
this
time,
although
I
do
think
that
there's
some
opportunities
from
stronger
for
stronger
leadership
and
locally
owned
team,
you
know
and
and
I
hope
they
knock
it
out
of
the
park,
but
I'm
just
not
convinced
that
that's
going
to
happen.
But
having
said
that,
the
reason
I'm
going
to
vote
for
it
today
is
something
that
mr.
G
Kirkpatrick
told
the
fedko
committee
last
week,
and
that
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
development
going
on
in
Ottawa
right
now
and
that
we're
in
the
midst
of
building
light,
rapid
transit
and
that
property.
If
we
were
to
go
out
to
a
request
for
proposals
or
expressions
of
interest
for
that
site,
the
site
would
be
more
valuable.
G
Five
years
from
now,
when
LRT
is
up
and
running
than
it
is
today,
so
I
see
this
as
sort
of
a
last-ditch
effort
to
see
baseball
work,
because
that
was
a
papaya
stadium
that
was
purpose-built
constructed
before
baseball
and
I
hope.
It
does
I
think
the
reality
is
that
it's
unlikely,
but
if
it
is
unlikely,
then
we've
bought
some
time.
I
think
some
valuable
time
to
get
the
off
uplift
in
the
value
and-
and
one
of
the
things
we
have
to
do
is
protect
our
taxpayers.
G
Financial
interests
and
I
think
it
is
protecting
their
interests
to
to
wait
until
that
property
has
an
uplift
and
value
before
we
change
gears.
So
we
can
hope
hope
all
we
want
that
baseball
will
work,
but
it
is
probably
in
our
interest
to
wait
to
go
out
to
the
market,
to
look
for
other
uses
for
that
site
and
that's
what
I'm
going
to
vote
for
this
today.
Thank
you
great.
C
C
J
A
B
C
On
on
this
particular
report,
just
a
couple
of
observations
at
times
I
think
some
of
us
have
a
bit
of
political
amnesia
on
these
files
and
I
raised
that,
for
the
simple
reason
that
we
recall
a
couple
of
years
ago,
the
outrage
by
almost
every
who
spoke
when
staff
brought
forward
the
proposal
that
we
developed
the
site.
It's
too
early
to
premature.
We
shouldn't
go
down
that
path.
We
have
a
baseball
stadium.
C
Let's
try
to
get
a
team,
so
staff
had
their
knuckles
rapped
pretty
hard
by
some
of
the
same
members
around
the
table
who
are
now
proposing
that
we
demolished
the
baseball
stadium
point
number
one.
Secondly,
politics,
unlike
community
activism,
is
about
making
choices.
Community
activists
can
pick
and
choose
issues.
We
have
to
always
say
yay
or
nay
to
something
and
we
have
to
have,
in
my
opinion,
an
alternative
use
and
so
I
haven't
heard.
Any
alternative
use.
I
raised
that
question
at
fedko.
C
I
haven't
had
an
onslaught
of
emails
from
members
of
council
on
what
exactly
to
put
in
a
baseball
stadium
other
than
baseball.
So
we
have
an
opportunity.
We
went
out.
The
staff
worked
hard
community
groups
like
champions
for
baseball,
worked
hard,
and
we
had
two
bids
one
according
to
staff
and
I
support.
That
notion
was
too
rich
for
our
tastes.
C
Forty
million
dollars
was
not
a
good
use
of
tax
dollars
in
these
difficult
economic
times,
so
we
came
forward
with
another
alternative
that
is
perhaps
less
grandiose
than
having
affiliated
baseball,
but
it's
baseball
and
a
good
caliber
and
we've
heard
from
our
expert
councillor.
Manette
who's
worked
very
hard
on
this.
This
is
a
good
lead.
We
can't
compare
it
I
think
his
diet,
councillor
Dean's,
pointed
out
to
the
last
can-am
league,
because
they
only
had
four
or
five
months
to
get
the
team
together.
C
This
gives
them
the
time
to
move
into
a
stadium
that
will
be
brought
up
to
a
proper
decent
standard
and
give
them
more
time
to
sell
tickets,
to
go
out
and
seek
sponsorship
and
to
obtain
local
buy-in
to
the
program,
and
it
will
also
the
good
thing
in
councillor.
Clark
has
raised
this
and
others.
It
also
opens
up
the
facility
for
more
community
use.
I
love
the
idea
that
councillor,
Manette
and
I
think
counts.
Harder.
C
You
know
I
was
guilty
many
years
ago
of
the
one
that
wanted
to
tear
down
the
Southside
stance,
because
we
didn't
have
a
football
team
and
I
was
in
the
burn
unit
for
about
three
weeks
on
that
one.
But
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
common
sense
prevailed
and
guess
what
most
of
us
were
on
that
tour?
Thank
goodness.
C
I
was
wrong
and
we
back
down
because
we
are
gonna,
have
a
world-class
stadium
that
we're
gonna
be
very,
very
proud
of,
and
so
the
community
use
aspect
excites
me
above
and
beyond
the
50
games
of
baseball,
because
we're
going
to
be
able
to
have
Little
League's
there,
we're
gonna
have
tournaments
we're
gonna,
be
able
to
use
it
for
concerts.
One
of
the
best
concerts
I've
ever
been
at
was
at
linked
stadium,
as
it
was
called
back.
Then
it
was
great
big,
see
and
I.
Think
down.
Child
blues
bands
is
over
the
three
Canadian
bands.
C
There's
businesses
over
there
there's
housing
development,
more
housing,
growing
up
I
think
makes
that
land
even
more
marketable
and
more
profitable
and
more
valuable
for
the
future.
But
this
opportunity
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
use
a
baseball
stadium
for
baseball.
It's
at
a
much
more
reasonable
and
fiscally
responsible
price
tag
for
the
taxpayers
and
I'd
urge
you
to
vote
for
there
to
give
a
strong
endorsement
to
the
can-am
league.
C
It's
not
as
if
it's
you
know
some
derelict
property
owner,
it's
ours
and
we
have
to
maintain
it,
and
if
we
don't
maintain
it,
the
price
is
going
to
be
a
lot
more
expensive
to
fix
it
up.
If
down
the
road,
we
get
another
baseball
bid.
So
I
thank
members
of
council
and
I,
know
councillors,
Minette
and
sure.
Ellie
and
Clark
have
been
intimately
involved
in
this
particular
file
and
I.
Thank
our
staff.
C
My
chief
of
staff
has
worked
very
hard,
as
has
the
city
manager,
Peter
Radke,
Steve,
Cadillac
Asst
dan
Sheng
has
been
a
real
team
effort,
proud
of
the
work
we've
done.
We
have
no
guarantee
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
success,
but
for
us
to
simply
say
no
right
now,
I
think
is
short-sighted
on
our
part,
yeas
and
nays.
Please,
madam
deputy
clerk.
A
A
M
A
A
C
C
R
P
62
for
planning
committee
report
56
a
Official
Plan
and
zoning
Montreal
Road
district
secondary
plan,
as
my
brother
is
acting
as
a
real
estate
consultant
and
began
a
business
discussion
seeking
to
place
a
client
in
a
property
at
4-4
for
Montreal
Road
and
may
have
involvement
in
the
item.
Although
that's
not
determined,
okay,.
C
C
Motions
of
which
notice
have
been
previously
given
motion,
doe-eyed
vit
done
a
on
Tierra
ma.
We
have
the
change
in
councillor
Hobbs
and
blowers
motion
to
room
to
specify
non
transit
vehicles
if
that's
understood
and
agreed
so
on
councillor
Hobbs
motion
carried
motions
requiring
suspension
of
the
rules
of
procedure,
councillor
bleh
on
a
motion
of
dedication
of
bridge
and
honor
and
OPP
officer
killed
in
the
line
of
duty
on
the
motion
to
suspend
carried
councillor
blade,
please
seconded
by
Councillor
else,
interior
I.
Thank.
K
You,
mr.
mayor,
the
OPP,
are
hoping
to
dedicate
a
bridge
which
spans
the
for
17
in
vars
after
Constable
Richard
Michael
Zhang,
who
died
in
the
line
of
duty
on
Sunday,
October,
23rd,
1993
and
per
their
policy.
To
do
so,
they
require
the
consent
of
the
municipality,
so
I'm
hoping
we
will
consent
to
honor
this.
This
hero,
great.
C
M
C
M
In
front
of
me,
right
now
and
it'll
be
submitted
as
soon
as
I
read
it
in
that
staff,
provide
any
background
documents,
reports
late
related
to
the
December
2009
motion
to
review
the
options
for
the
300
Coventry
site,
as
per
the
information
gathered
through
the
business
development
strategy
process
that
was
undertaken
as
part
of
the
city's
LRT
project
with
respect
to
connections
and
development
opportunities
for
project
stations,
including
train
station.
Thank
you.
Okay,.